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Title: [News]Koeman: It's not as negative as everybody is thinking
Post by: Everton News on September 29, 2017, 07:21:02 PM
Koeman: It's not as negative as everybody is thinking

Everton boss Ronald Koeman says that the situation at the club is not as negative as many Evertonians are feeling.

Source: Koeman: It's not as negative as everybody is thinking (https://www.nsno.co.uk/everton-news/2017/09/koeman-not-negative-everybody-thinking/)
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Post by: BlueBeagle on September 29, 2017, 07:22:02 PM
Fuckin is mate
Title: Re: [News]Koeman: It's not as negative as everybody is thinking
Post by: Jimmywhack on September 29, 2017, 07:24:26 PM
Its difficult to see many positives
Title: Re: [News]Koeman: It's not as negative as everybody is thinking
Post by: Brownie20 on September 29, 2017, 07:26:42 PM
To us the fans it is. Hopefully within the camp they are more positive about turning things around
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Post by: SANA_DR0 on September 29, 2017, 07:28:20 PM
To us the fans it is. Hopefully within the camp they are more positive about turning things around


thats not what the players are showing, they showed they are scared and dont understand the tactics, hence all the back passing.. the players bodylanguage.. of atleast over half our team was shocking, demoralized to say the least.. that STEMS from the manager.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman: It's not as negative as everybody is thinking
Post by: Brownie20 on September 29, 2017, 07:41:43 PM

thats not what the players are showing, they showed they are scared and dont understand the tactics, hence all the back passing.. the players bodylanguage.. of atleast over half our team was shocking, demoralized to say the least.. that STEMS from the manager.

But on the pitch is different to training. I agree they are looking scared, but in training they could be experiencing a bit of bonding, reflection on their own performances. Been there, done that. Been involved in full on brawls in training when things have been going wrong and that's given us the kick up the arse we need. Best thing that could happen is that we score an early goal on Saturday. Will result in a win by 2 or 3 goals
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Post by: Lazarou on September 29, 2017, 08:02:02 PM
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Title: Re: [News]Koeman: It's not as negative as everybody is thinking
Post by: Ell Capitan on September 29, 2017, 08:10:23 PM
This was a fair point he made, you wouldn't assume this to be the case from the mood here:

You can lose against Chelsea, Spurs, Man Utd but we’ve played ten more games and we’ve lost only one of those ten.  You look at that as a positive. It’s not all so negative.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman: It's not as negative as everybody is thinking
Post by: gizzblue on September 29, 2017, 08:17:19 PM
Problem is a lot of us havnt seen such piss poor performances in over thirty odd years.. ..and we've been in plenty of relegation battles in those times too. His ego won't allow him to change a failing system and Williams(of course)...got fuck all to do with negativity imho ....just a lack of understanding from a team as how we are suposed to be playing ....his tactics are just so shit .
Title: Re: [News]Koeman: It's not as negative as everybody is thinking
Post by: Ross on September 29, 2017, 08:24:23 PM
This was a fair point he made, you wouldn't assume this to be the case from the mood here:

You can lose against Chelsea, Spurs, Man Utd but we’ve played ten more games and we’ve lost only one of those ten.  You look at that as a positive. It’s not all so negative.

But out of those 10 other games we've played against some very very poor quality opposition and made them look like Barcelona circa 2010.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman: It's not as negative as everybody is thinking
Post by: Jimmywhack on September 29, 2017, 08:26:22 PM
This was a fair point he made, you wouldn't assume this to be the case from the mood here:

You can lose against Chelsea, Spurs, Man Utd but we’ve played ten more games and we’ve lost only one of those ten.  You look at that as a positive. It’s not all so negative.
What annoys me the most is that he thinks its acceptable to lose to Spurs, at home.
Man U and Chelsea away are always hard but we never even rocked up at them, also not acceptable
Title: Re: [News]Koeman: It's not as negative as everybody is thinking
Post by: Ell Capitan on September 29, 2017, 08:26:41 PM
Problem is a lot of us havnt seen such piss poor performances in over thirty odd years.

Are you serious?
Title: Re: [News]Koeman: It's not as negative as everybody is thinking
Post by: Evertonian in NC on September 29, 2017, 08:28:41 PM
My Fulham supporter Canadian friend watches us from time to time out of empathy, and after yesterday he's evolved from "you need to drink as much as you can" to "seriously, you need to focus on staying up."

Whilst I don't think we are quite that bad yet (denial?) it is a bit chilling coming from a Fulham supporter.  Plus I always said when we were thrashing about under Roberto that if not for Ross and especially Rom, we really would be in real relegation danger.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman: It's not as negative as everybody is thinking
Post by: gizzblue on September 29, 2017, 08:32:51 PM
Are you serious?
Yes , when the entire team is fooking clueless .... we know weve had shite in the past, but there has always been an idea an ethos ....not a clueless fucking manager who just says he doesn't know what he could change .....when to every fucker else its glaringly obvious ....no width or pavce on the pitch it's on the bench while his three number tens trip over each other for over ten games now ... even Martinez wanted to attack ,moyes wanted to defend ....you tell me what does Koeman want ????....because in recent showings  (since the lump it to lukaku idea left ) nobody has a fucking blue clue not even Koeman id wager .
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Post by: Jimmywhack on September 29, 2017, 08:41:27 PM
Yes , when the entire team is fooking clueless .... we know weve had shite in the past, but there has always been an idea an ethos ....not a clueless fucking manager who just says he doesn't know what he could change .....when to every fucker else its glaringly obvious ....no width or pavce on the pitch it's on the bench while his three number tens trip over each other for over ten games now ... even Martinez wanted to attack ,moyes wanted to defend ....you tell me what does Koeman want ????....because in recent showings  (since the lump it to lukaku idea left ) nobody has a fucking blue clue not even Koeman id wager .

Its bad, im not entirely sure its Mike Walker, Kendal MK 3 or even Walter Smith levels of bad tho
Title: Re: [News]Koeman: It's not as negative as everybody is thinking
Post by: everton1952 on September 29, 2017, 09:03:37 PM
Ha Ha, dredging up past nightmares to terrify us? Ronald seemed to say that if we had won 2-1 instead of 2-2 then we would all have gone away "happy". This is Everton not Carlisle Utd. Gone away relieved at winning yes, but still appalled at our standard of football.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman: It's not as negative as everybody is thinking
Post by: gizzblue on September 29, 2017, 09:17:02 PM
Its bad, im not entirely sure its Mike Walker, Kendal MK 3 or even Walter Smith levels of bad tho
Early days yet ...do you really wanna be in a worse situation come Christmas.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman: It's not as negative as everybody is thinking
Post by: Evertonian in NC on September 29, 2017, 09:21:06 PM
The problem is, aside from Palace, the level of top-to-bottom competitiveness is much improved from Walter Smith days.

We can't just assume a relegation battle is out of the question.  It's certainly not inevitable.  But I don't think it's straightjacket territory to consider, either.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman: It's not as negative as everybody is thinking
Post by: Realist on September 29, 2017, 10:06:53 PM
Haha he's taking the piss right?
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Post by: SANA_DR0 on September 29, 2017, 11:31:18 PM
Haha he's taking the piss right?

nope he's seriously that arrogant/stubborn/deluded/egotistical*


*delete the ones you dont agree with.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman: It's not as negative as everybody is thinking
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on September 30, 2017, 12:15:41 AM
Haha he's taking the piss right?
Starting to think he is seriously taking the piss.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman: It's not as negative as everybody is thinking
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on September 30, 2017, 12:24:28 AM
Koeman walsh and Rooney at the quiz..
Title: Re: [News]Koeman: It's not as negative as everybody is thinking
Post by: everton1952 on September 30, 2017, 01:21:58 AM
Somehow I suppose he has to make positive noises, otherwise the owner would assume he had "lost it".
Title: Re: [News]Koeman: It's not as negative as everybody is thinking
Post by: Silas on September 30, 2017, 04:02:45 AM
It's bad but I'm not even sure it's Roberto at his worst bad, never mind Smith or Walker
Title: Re: [News]Koeman: It's not as negative as everybody is thinking
Post by: SANA_DR0 on September 30, 2017, 06:08:05 AM
Somehow I suppose he has to make positive noises, otherwise the owner would assume he had "lost it".

The system is phenomenal, but ok, they had ten men, phenomenal i said, but ok, the players where scared of the phenomenal system.

Imagine better players in this phenomenal system. I still need to bring my own players in, I had 8 players missing from the team yesterday, we could be phenomenal, but ok.

Title: Re: [News]Koeman: It's not as negative as everybody is thinking
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on September 30, 2017, 02:32:28 PM
If we're not sure which particular bad period this is as bad as, then it's at least as bad....
Title: Re: [News]Koeman: It's not as negative as everybody is thinking
Post by: ally2 on September 30, 2017, 04:42:43 PM
People are going to have a pop whatever he says so it really doesn't matter.

If he blames the players it's out of order. If he blames himself he's accused of not doing anything about it. If he changes the team he's accused of meddling. If he doesn't he's accused of being stubborn.

Better off not talking to the media or fans but of course he has to.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman: It's not as negative as everybody is thinking
Post by: 74Blue on September 30, 2017, 05:28:15 PM
Its bad, im not entirely sure its Mike Walker, Kendal MK 3 or even Walter Smith levels of bad tho
They were truly dark, dark days!
Title: Re: [News]Koeman: It's not as negative as everybody is thinking
Post by: Bluedylan on September 30, 2017, 05:36:10 PM
£220m spent.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman: It's not as negative as everybody is thinking
Post by: everton1952 on September 30, 2017, 06:02:17 PM
£220M what? Koeman has just said we spent £54 - 50M - look at the Echo report of his statement that we spent only a little more than Huddersfield. I cannot find an Echo interview video to show him talking about this and his own job. The one described as a preview of the Burnley game is not the one. If someone can find the interview which talks about what was spent and about himself feeling like "shit" after the game and whether he might be sacked or not, I would like to see it.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman: It's not as negative as everybody is thinking
Post by: everton1952 on September 30, 2017, 06:14:40 PM
Sorry but I am so wound up over the mess at Everton I have put the following Echo quotation on another thread as well. It is worth reading if anyone does not bother with the Echo. I could not find the video of it.  Koeman said:
The Dutchman was in candid mood on Friday afternoon at Finch Farm says he felt “s**t” after the game but is refusing to wallow in self-pity and remains determined to “make Everton a better team”.
Koeman also continues to dispute the perception that the club have spent heavily this summer and once again pointed to the amount of money the club received in player sales.
And when asked if he was worried about his situation, Koeman said he wouldn’t be losing any sleep over his future. “No. No. No. No. Not worried,” he said.
“Why do I need to be worried? Because the fans are unhappy?
“No. All the teams have spent more money. Huddersfield spent £30-£35m. We spent £50m. £45m.”
“It’s how you look to this situation!” he added.
“Even in Holland, they are saying “Look, they spent £150m! Look how they play!” Yeah? But we lost players. And we spent £40m or £45m. Why you speak always about £150m? You know that £150m now, four years ago it was £25m! If Lukaku was sold after Neymar, maybe Lukaku was going to be £130m! It’s not about money.”
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Quizzed again as to why he was not concerned about his future, Koeman said: “And what? I should be worried about my future?
“I am not worried about my future because I have belief in myself and the players.
“Finally, if the club makes another decision it is up to the club. If I am worried about my situation, how can you live?
“Enjoy life. I was s**t after yesterday, but now I am different.
“I can emotional and frustrated and I can be more disappointed than maybe the players and I know this situation.
“I like to continue and I like to finish the contract but I am not worried. If you are worried in this job, there is no life.
“There are 20 Premier League clubs, 20 managers, maybe 10-12-13 managers worried every day about their job?
I do my best. I live 24-hours for football and to make Everton a better team and to win more games. I cannot do more, if it is not good enough, it is not good enough but that is my experience. I was in Valencia five, six months....that happens. “It happens to everybody. Ancelotti, Van Gaal, Mourinho.”
Following Thursday night’s draw, Koeman repeated his belief that Everton’s squad are afraid, so how does he instil his levels of confidence in the players?
“The players don’t see a different attitude of the manager compared to last season,” he said.
No. No. I will do the same. I will fight every second of the day to make the team better and to make the right choices and of course everyone can have their opinion. I respect that.
“In football that is normal. If you don’t win, you have problems. Lets hope for a good after match press conference on Sunday!”
Asked if he had to secure a win against Burnley, Koeman said: “… West Ham need to win this weekend, Crystal Palace need to win this weekend, Liverpool needs to win this weekend.”
Title: Re: [News]Koeman: It's not as negative as everybody is thinking
Post by: Audrey Horne on September 30, 2017, 06:15:35 PM
That cant be real?
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Post by: Bluedylan on September 30, 2017, 06:25:11 PM
£220M what? Koeman has just said we spent £54 - 50M - look at the Echo report of his statement that we spent only a little more than Huddersfield. I cannot find an Echo interview video to show him talking about this and his own job. The one described as a preview of the Burnley game is not the one. If someone can find the interview which talks about what was spent and about himself feeling like "shit" after the game and whether he might be sacked or not, I would like to see it.

No it's not £220m net, of course. But he has spent £220m on HIS OWN players in a year and a bit. That's still a vast amount of money for the overwhelming majority of clubs in world football, aside from the elite. And here we are getting dominated for large portions by a team 8th in the Cypriot league.

We probably need to take 4 points minimum off Lyon to stay in the Europa League already. It's not even close to good enough and there are no excuses with a £220m outlay (which most managers would dream of).
Title: Re: [News]Koeman: It's not as negative as everybody is thinking
Post by: SANA_DR0 on September 30, 2017, 06:29:10 PM
it is shocking that he is not worried, even more shocking that he doesn't see his team selection/formation and the style of the team as worrying, If the the vast majority of the fans can see it, why can't he??
Title: Re: [News]Koeman: It's not as negative as everybody is thinking
Post by: Bluedylan on September 30, 2017, 06:33:15 PM
it is shocking that he is not worried, even more shocking that he doesn't see his team selection/formation and the style of the team as worrying, If the the vast majority of the fans can see it, why can't he??

Sounds slightly defeatist and accepting of the inevitable to me, referencing his sacking at Valencia without being prompted to. That's quite an insight into his thinking.
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Post by: blargins on September 30, 2017, 06:40:02 PM
He's saying he's not worried about his job (although he probably is). He is right in that aspect, you should never dwell too long on your failures (it's a waste of time), but learn from them and be better next time. That is the correct mentality to have, and one that every successful person must have. I have no problem with that part of his statement.

However, the real question is can and does he learn from those mistakes in failure? That is the true measure of a really successful person.

But he is spouting absolute bollocks on the spend. He has spent in excess of 150 million, it doesn't matter what money has come in, he still spent 150 million plus. It's his team now apart from Baines.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman: It's not as negative as everybody is thinking
Post by: SANA_DR0 on September 30, 2017, 06:40:13 PM
Sounds slightly defeatist and accepting of the inevitable to me, referencing his sacking at Valencia without being prompted to. That's quite an insight into his thinking.

True, sounds like, 'why should i worry, i cant get the team to play how i want,' its not my fault,
also the not accepting the negativity shows how much passion he has, and that same passion has rubbed off on the players.

I hope/wish he can change his mindset, and that translates onto the pitch, For that, he needs to start getting Goodison behind him.

I feel he referenced Valencia due to not having enough time there, but sub consciously he fears that we will become worse than when he was at Valencia.
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Post by: Ross on September 30, 2017, 06:49:46 PM
Can't believe he's using the forum favourite "£150m is like £25m...." nonsense.

He's struggling for excuses with shit like that and talk of net spend.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman: It's not as negative as everybody is thinking
Post by: plumber on September 30, 2017, 06:51:54 PM
Positive thing is the knowledge and intelligence of Everton fans. Random Twitter or NSNO poster seems to know his football better than one of the best Premier league managers.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman: It's not as negative as everybody is thinking
Post by: SANA_DR0 on September 30, 2017, 07:07:02 PM
Positive thing is the knowledge and intelligence of Everton fans. Random Twitter or NSNO poster seems to know his football better than one of the best Premier league managers.

how do you equate Koeman as one of the best Premier league managers?

do you mean in the Premier league right now? or in the history of the Premier league?  or during a set time period?

again, how have you come to that conclusion? What has he won? whats his win loss %?

Title: Re: [News]Koeman: It's not as negative as everybody is thinking
Post by: ally2 on September 30, 2017, 07:07:23 PM
Think he's making th epoint that fees have massively increased regardless of who you are so hanging one one tranfer window spend doesn't really mean much but anyway carry on fuming.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman: It's not as negative as everybody is thinking
Post by: SANA_DR0 on September 30, 2017, 07:22:21 PM
lol whose fuming? im embarrassed by koeman., his version of events/reality are comedic to say the least.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman: It's not as negative as everybody is thinking
Post by: gizzblue on September 30, 2017, 07:48:36 PM
Hahahahahaha he's not even one of the best managers at Everton let alone the prem 😅😅
Title: Re: [News]Koeman: It's not as negative as everybody is thinking
Post by: kramer0 on September 30, 2017, 08:19:53 PM
"I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer."
Title: Re: [News]Koeman: It's not as negative as everybody is thinking
Post by: Ell Capitan on September 30, 2017, 08:45:07 PM
It's bad but I'm not even sure it's Roberto at his worst bad, never mind Smith or Walker

It's nowhere near Roberto levels. Under Roberto we were shite for the best part of two years. This season (which actually started off reasonably well) begun 6 weeks ago.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman: It's not as negative as everybody is thinking
Post by: plumber on September 30, 2017, 08:46:27 PM
how do you equate Koeman as one of the best Premier league managers?

do you mean in the Premier league right now? or in the history of the Premier league?  or during a set time period?

again, how have you come to that conclusion? What has he won? whats his win loss %?



He has finished 7th, 6th and 7th in his three seasons in the prem. So yes, he is definitely above the average.

I never was his biggest fan, he's not a top manager and considering his age will never be, but some people's jumping from one extreme to another is ridiculous. From "we are his stepping stone to Barcelona" to comparisons with Walter Smith and Unsworth shouts. All that in about 6 weeks.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman: It's not as negative as everybody is thinking
Post by: gizzblue on September 30, 2017, 08:57:06 PM
He has finished 7th, 6th and 7th in his three seasons in the prem. So yes, he is definitely above the average.

I never was his biggest fan, he's not a top manager and considering his age will never be, but some people's jumping from one extreme to another is ridiculous. From "we are his stepping stone to Barcelona" to comparisons with Walter Smith and Unsworth shouts. All that in about 6 weeks.
Unfortunately the similarities are drawn due to the manager's inept ability in seeing his own errors due to ego blindness. ..like Martinez etc etc ....
Most nsno'ers expect the same (failed four defenders two DM and three no 10s) system against Burnley tomorrow and will probably be justified .
Title: Re: [News]Koeman: It's not as negative as everybody is thinking
Post by: SANA_DR0 on September 30, 2017, 09:10:05 PM
He has finished 7th, 6th and 7th in his three seasons in the prem. So yes, he is definitely above the average.

I never was his biggest fan, he's not a top manager and considering his age will never be, but some people's jumping from one extreme to another is ridiculous. From "we are his stepping stone to Barcelona" to comparisons with Walter Smith and Unsworth shouts. All that in about 6 weeks.


Finishing 7th.6th and 7th doesnt make you anywhere near the best, bang on average to me, if your going by those stats, Moyes was world class, he finished 4th 5th 6th 5th 5th 6th.. etc

i only say Unsworth as he will bring some passion to our team and he his team actually play some football.  he isnt too arrogant to make changes.. ive never said Koeman was going to Barca.. others think its stepping stone.. but i guess they expected Koeman to be better.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman: It's not as negative as everybody is thinking
Post by: ally2 on September 30, 2017, 09:12:19 PM
"Passion"

Oh pur-lease.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman: It's not as negative as everybody is thinking
Post by: SANA_DR0 on September 30, 2017, 09:16:06 PM
"Passion"

Oh pur-lease.

??

did you see Unsworth play for us? do you see his youth teams team spirit?

or do you rate Koemans passion and his team spirit in the 1st team?
Title: Re: [News]Koeman: It's not as negative as everybody is thinking
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on September 30, 2017, 09:25:47 PM
 He just talks fuckin shite, but why should he worry? he's minted if he stays or goes.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman: It's not as negative as everybody is thinking
Post by: Ell Capitan on September 30, 2017, 09:30:00 PM
He just talks fuckin shite, but why should he worry? he's minted if he stays or goes.

So is every Premier League manager.

And footballer.

In fact, why should any of them care about anything eh?
Title: Re: [News]Koeman: It's not as negative as everybody is thinking
Post by: SANA_DR0 on September 30, 2017, 09:35:03 PM
So is every Premier League manager.

And footballer.

In fact, why should any of them care about anything eh?

Pride, Ego, wanting to be remembered in decades time...bettering themselves, learning.. etc etc..

I guess Koeman knows his managerial record wont come anywhere close to his playing record.. He actually seems like he is waiting for his next job ;/

Title: Re: [News]Koeman: It's not as negative as everybody is thinking
Post by: plumber on September 30, 2017, 10:42:17 PM

Finishing 7th.6th and 7th doesnt make you anywhere near the best, bang on average to me, if your going by those stats, Moyes was world class, he finished 4th 5th 6th 5th 5th 6th.. etc

i only say Unsworth as he will bring some passion to our team and he his team actually play some football.  he isnt too arrogant to make changes.. ive never said Koeman was going to Barca.. others think its stepping stone.. but i guess they expected Koeman to be better.
Moyes' record was great with the resources he had actually.
And what do you expect from the sides like Everton and Southampton? 3rd, 1st, 2nd?
Or you care about "passion", not results?

Title: Re: [News]Koeman: It's not as negative as everybody is thinking
Post by: SANA_DR0 on September 30, 2017, 11:11:48 PM
Moyes' record was great with the resources he had actually.
And what do you expect from the sides like Everton and Southampton? 3rd, 1st, 2nd?
Or you care about "passion", not results?
Still doesnt come anywhere near to a great manager.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman: It's not as negative as everybody is thinking
Post by: ally2 on October 01, 2017, 12:52:24 AM
??

did you see Unsworth play for us? do you see his youth teams team spirit?

or do you rate Koemans passion and his team spirit in the 1st team?

I did.  Good chap but generally a bit of a barrel and not very cultured (to put it kindly).  I just don'y think 'passion' really means anything in these days of elite professional sport, and even if it did, it's not something that endures.  You'll eventully regress to what you were.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman: It's not as negative as everybody is thinking
Post by: everton1952 on October 01, 2017, 02:08:14 AM
The calls for Unsworth are ludicrous. Koeman might get us into the top half. 7th will be a very good achievement with this unbalanced squad.  Otherwise maybe we should go for Uncle Roy after he is sacked at Palace?
Title: Re: [News]Koeman: It's not as negative as everybody is thinking
Post by: SANA_DR0 on October 01, 2017, 04:43:42 AM
The calls for Unsworth are ludicrous. Koeman might get us into the top half. 7th will be a very good achievement with this unbalanced squad.  Otherwise maybe we should go for Uncle Roy after he is sacked at Palace?

Roys an even worse shout than my piss take Unsworth shouts.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman: It's not as negative as everybody is thinking
Post by: Bluedylan on October 01, 2017, 05:30:23 AM
The calls for Unsworth are ludicrous. Koeman might get us into the top half. 7th will be a very good achievement with this unbalanced squad.  Otherwise maybe we should go for Uncle Roy after he is sacked at Palace?

He fashioned the 'unbalanced squad' with 220 million nicker. 7th is the absolute bare minimum, not 'a very good achievement'.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman: It's not as negative as everybody is thinking
Post by: Ell Capitan on October 01, 2017, 05:47:12 AM
We were the 7th best team in the league before he spent a penny, just an underperforming one. For me it's too early to pull the trigger but expectation wise I'd be hoping for a manager that shoots higher than to maintain 7th given the money he has to spend.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman: It's not as negative as everybody is thinking
Post by: cantoffee on October 01, 2017, 05:52:17 AM
Yea he can say what he likes about net spend but the players are his. He put this team together. Sure he doesn't have his target man but that's not our only problem and he made the squad even more unbalanced than when he arrived. Walsh may be in charge of recruitment but Koeman clearly has a lot influence and identified the wrong type of player.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman: It's not as negative as everybody is thinking
Post by: Faceatthefence on October 01, 2017, 03:02:26 PM
Yea he can say what he likes about net spend but the players are his. He put this team together. Sure he doesn't have his target man but that's not our only problem and he made the squad even more unbalanced than when he arrived. Walsh may be in charge of recruitment but Koeman clearly has a lot influence and identified the wrong type of player.
Koemans public statement that he,s handing over january recruitment to Walsh,is a veiled admission of failure.By saying he,s focusing on the team RK is distancing himself from the next highly important round of buying.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman: It's not as negative as everybody is thinking
Post by: Simon Paul on October 01, 2017, 03:14:07 PM
Amazed anyone thinks Koeman will get top half this season
Title: Re: [News]Koeman: It's not as negative as everybody is thinking
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on October 01, 2017, 03:43:57 PM
Koemans public statement that he,s handing over january recruitment to Walsh,is a veiled admission of failure.By saying he,s focusing on the team RK is distancing himself from the next highly important round of buying.
Maybe saved his job agreeing to this, not going to solve a lot while he's still in charge of the team, especially if his signings are still failing and he's still picking them in the second half of the season, his selection and tactics with the squad we already have is the biggest problem.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman: It's not as negative as everybody is thinking
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on October 01, 2017, 03:47:48 PM
Amazed anyone thinks Koeman will get top half this season
If he dosen't change tack top half will be a surprise and a relief.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman: It's not as negative as everybody is thinking
Post by: Bluedylan on October 01, 2017, 04:11:01 PM
Top half and piss poor cup performances is nowhere near good enough anyway.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman: It's not as negative as everybody is thinking
Post by: Buck76 on October 01, 2017, 04:37:32 PM
That's complete bollocks because we could be sat here with the exact same points but having seen the bigger picture, put in some decent performances in & we'd be patient..... But we haven't got a fuckin clue on the pitch never mind a Strategy off it & how we got sucked into a bullshit 3 for 2 deal on No10's is totally beyond me.

I'm not one for sacking managers but the quicker he's gone the better.

Being linked to Carrol has sent me over the edge....  :headbang:.....

Title: Re: [News]Koeman: It's not as negative as everybody is thinking
Post by: plumber on October 01, 2017, 05:19:15 PM
Amazed anyone thinks Koeman will get top half this season

I remember some people who thought Martinez could get top half in the 15/16 season. Isn't it even more amazing?
Title: Re: [News]Koeman: It's not as negative as everybody is thinking
Post by: TheRam on October 01, 2017, 06:14:41 PM
There's an piece knocking around suggesting Koeman is blaming Steve Walsh for not getting giroud in.

Trying to distance himself from all the blame it seems
Title: Re: [News]Koeman: It's not as negative as everybody is thinking
Post by: kramer0 on October 01, 2017, 07:01:24 PM
There's an piece knocking around suggesting Koeman is blaming Steve Walsh for not getting giroud in.

Trying to distance himself from all the blame it seems

That relationship has never worked and it's probably the thing that bothers me most about the club right now. You don't get an overpriced, imbalanced squad like we have when things are going well behind the scenes. I don't want these two in charge of spending any more of the club's money because they've done a horrible job so far.

Koeman's involvement in transfers should be limited to giving a list of the types of players he wants and confirming that he can get along with the players the scouts return. He has no background in talent evaluation, having worked almost exclusively at clubs with some sort of sporting director, and should have no influence on specific targets.

As for Walsh - I'm starting to wonder if he should have even been hired in the first place. We should be getting a lot more from this sort of appointment. Fair enough if Koeman is vetoing all of his targets but I get the feeling there's more to it than that.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman: It's not as negative as everybody is thinking
Post by: SANA_DR0 on October 01, 2017, 07:17:14 PM
There's an piece knocking around suggesting Koeman is blaming Steve Walsh for not getting giroud in.

Trying to distance himself from all the blame it seems

Giroud in midweek, seemed so disinterested, his body language was as bad as some of our players V Apollon, He seemed like a spoilt child not wanting to get involved or even be arsed to do anything.

glad we avoided him, couldnt bare spending 40m on another player who is disinterested.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman: It's not as negative as everybody is thinking
Post by: sirblue57 on October 01, 2017, 07:42:47 PM
If that ducking donkey Carroll is on our radar. I want both Walsh and Koeman gone.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman: It's not as negative as everybody is thinking
Post by: blob on October 01, 2017, 08:04:17 PM
underperforming players aren't helping.

pull your fingers out lads...
Title: Re: [News]Koeman: It's not as negative as everybody is thinking
Post by: Simon Paul on October 01, 2017, 09:03:51 PM
underperforming players aren't helping.

pull your fingers out lads...

not knowing what system they are meant to be playing in doesn't help them

being scared of being the next scapegoat for the manager doesn't help

it's not pressure from fans that is the problem, it's absolutely diabolical management
Title: Re: [News]Koeman: It's not as negative as everybody is thinking
Post by: SANA_DR0 on October 01, 2017, 09:06:41 PM
Telegram for Koeman,

Its a lot more negative than you can fathom.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman: It's not as negative as everybody is thinking
Post by: blob on October 01, 2017, 09:07:30 PM
not knowing what system they are meant to be playing in doesn't help them


you can't seriously believe that? 'go out and do what you like' can't be the issue?
Title: Re: [News]Koeman: It's not as negative as everybody is thinking
Post by: Simon Paul on October 01, 2017, 09:10:33 PM
you can't seriously believe that? 'go out and do what you like' can't be the issue?

can you see a system being played?
Title: Re: [News]Koeman: It's not as negative as everybody is thinking
Post by: Martip on October 01, 2017, 09:12:43 PM
can you see a system being played?
They are playing the scattergun system
Title: Re: [News]Koeman: It's not as negative as everybody is thinking
Post by: blob on October 01, 2017, 09:15:32 PM
can you see a system being played?

no...

...and if the players are ignoring him we're really up the creek.

Title: Re: [News]Koeman: It's not as negative as everybody is thinking
Post by: Simon Paul on October 01, 2017, 09:16:22 PM
no...

...and if the players are ignoring him we're really up the creek.

so either there is no system, or the players don't understand it - or don't want to play it

either way....
Title: Re: [News]Koeman: It's not as negative as everybody is thinking
Post by: hill135 on October 01, 2017, 09:18:23 PM
It's 4-4-2. The simplest system there is.

I've got a lot of complaints about the management atm but a lot our players are fucking losers who need buck their ideas up
Title: Re: [News]Koeman: It's not as negative as everybody is thinking
Post by: Bluedylan on October 01, 2017, 09:19:06 PM
can you see a system being played?

It's a 4-4-2 with the wide players tucking in, as hill said earlier.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman: It's not as negative as everybody is thinking
Post by: KingOfNapaValley on October 01, 2017, 10:12:40 PM
Hard to believe, but if we had won, we would have been 8th.
Title: [News]Koeman: It's not as negative as everybody is thinking
Post by: Everton News on October 02, 2017, 11:06:39 PM
Koeman: It's not as negative as everybody is thinking

Everton boss Ronald Koeman says that the situation at the club is not as negative as many Evertonians are feeling.

Source: Koeman: It's not as negative as everybody is thinking (https://www.nsno.co.uk/everton-news/2017/09/koeman-not-negative-everybody-thinking/)
Title: Re: [News]Koeman: It's not as negative as everybody is thinking
Post by: everton1952 on October 02, 2017, 11:18:10 PM
Ronald, I just do not agree with you. It is not an over reaction to say after 7 games that the team and crowd morale are in a desperate state. Of course it can be turned around, but the PL is an unforgiving league with virtually no teams there for the taking. Of course things must improve when key players return and hopefully after a good transfer window in January. Getting from here to there does not look like being a pleasure trip. It is all about transition I know, but this is one hell of a setback. Keep your pecker up Ronald; the fans have little choice but to go along with you.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman: It's not as negative as everybody is thinking
Post by: Mac934 on October 02, 2017, 11:30:41 PM
Yes it is. Every game is the same dull, negative clueless play. Apart from the first 20 mins until Burnley scored have we looked half decent. I actually thought, maybe he's got it right at last, then " BOOM" Burnley score and we are back to the same inept, insipid play again. Not one positive to take from the game in all reality.