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Title: Have you changed your mind on Rooney?
Post by: blueToffee on September 30, 2017, 02:04:11 AM
A lot of opinions before he came in, just wondering where people are now.
Title: Re: Have you changed your mind on Rooney?
Post by: SANA_DR0 on September 30, 2017, 02:05:12 AM
my option, Didnt care, Still don't care.
Title: Re: Have you changed your mind on Rooney?
Post by: Martip on September 30, 2017, 02:09:05 AM
Didn't want to sign him based on what id seen in his last year's at utd. He's playing in exactly the same way with us.
Title: Re: Have you changed your mind on Rooney?
Post by: Jimmywhack on September 30, 2017, 02:10:35 AM
Done exactly as I thought he would so no, not at all
Title: Re: Have you changed your mind on Rooney?
Post by: Mayor Farnum on September 30, 2017, 02:12:10 AM
Can't be faulted for effort but he is suffering with the rest of the team. The season will even out in the next couple of months and he'll play a part in our improvement.
Be nice if we could encourage and support the team in the meantime.
Title: Re: Have you changed your mind on Rooney?
Post by: sam of the south on September 30, 2017, 02:13:12 AM
Head didn't want to sign him, heart did, when he signed I got genuinely emotional, now I wish he would stay as a number 10 or as the main striker, as his lax approach to positional discipline is doing us no favours.
Title: Re: Have you changed your mind on Rooney?
Post by: blueToffee on September 30, 2017, 02:14:43 AM
Can't be faulted for effort but he is suffering with the rest of the team. The season will even out in the next couple of months and he'll play a part in our improvement.
Be nice if we could encourage and support the team in the meantime.

Has your attitude changed before and after he came in though?

This oddly isn't meant as a thread to delve into his performances, just seeing as it was a pretty divisive topic before he came in (and lots of people stated a position one way or another) if that position had changed at all.
Title: Re: Have you changed your mind on Rooney?
Post by: TheTone on September 30, 2017, 02:15:04 AM
I thought he would be coming in as a second choice forward and we had a main striker lined up at the time

Didn't expect him to be starting all the games

Title: Re: Have you changed your mind on Rooney?
Post by: Mayor Farnum on September 30, 2017, 02:16:01 AM
I was happy to see him back and am still happy he is here.
Title: Re: Have you changed your mind on Rooney?
Post by: Audrey Horne on September 30, 2017, 02:18:14 AM
I was happy to see him back and am still happy he is here.

same
Title: Re: Have you changed your mind on Rooney?
Post by: Ravardo on September 30, 2017, 02:21:50 AM
He either needs to play as a striker in a 4-4-2 giving some much needed support for DCL or sandro which should stop him roaming all over the gaff or as cm next to either gana gueye or schneiderlin as long as its not as a no. 10....playing our top scorer in cm is just shoe-horning him into a postion thats for someone else tho so for fuck sake start playin 2 upfront and play him where he should be
Title: Re: Have you changed your mind on Rooney?
Post by: plumber on September 30, 2017, 02:25:00 AM
Has done better than I thought to be fair.
Considering the cost and quality he's a much better signing than Klaassen, Sandro and Sigurdsson.
Title: Re: Have you changed your mind on Rooney?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on September 30, 2017, 02:27:15 AM
Shite for a couple of seasons at Utd..... oddly still shite. Without sentiment we wouldn't have touched him. Not helped that we've overstocked his position to the point you can argue any of our bit crap number 10s weren't actually needed
I'd sooner him than Sigurdsson least he was cheap
Title: Re: Have you changed your mind on Rooney?
Post by: Hawkandro on September 30, 2017, 02:29:01 AM
Happy he is here, just wished he was either used up top with Sigurdsson behind him as his No.10, or coming off the bench.

Spending 50m on a No.10 then forcing him out wide to accommodate Rooney is another annoyance this season.
Title: Re: Have you changed your mind on Rooney?
Post by: Evertonian in NC on September 30, 2017, 02:33:28 AM
Changed my mind for a bit when saw he had something left physically and conditioning was very good.

But we are using him wrong and not meshing with other players so I'm back to "bad fucking idea that we won't let go of easily."
Title: Re: Have you changed your mind on Rooney?
Post by: The Analog Kid on September 30, 2017, 03:14:25 AM
Made up to see him back, that goes without saying, but I think people expected an awful lot from him, though he may have been able to do a little more than he has.
Title: Re: Have you changed your mind on Rooney?
Post by: BlueForYou on September 30, 2017, 03:22:37 AM
Wanted him to sign and really glad that he's here - next mission, take those coaching badges

He cannot do a lot wrong in my book

Home, sweet home!
Title: Re: Have you changed your mind on Rooney?
Post by: Martip on September 30, 2017, 03:27:17 AM
Can't be faulted for effort but he is suffering with the rest of the team. The season will even out in the next couple of months and he'll play a part in our improvement.
Be nice if we could encourage and support the team in the meantime.
I honestly think he may hold us back during any revival . I'd rather let sig have a run as the main man and sadly it doesn't seem that we function well as a team with the both in there. Hes simply not mobile enough to play up front either and generally slows the play.
Title: Re: Have you changed your mind on Rooney?
Post by: mikey_blue on September 30, 2017, 03:29:16 AM
Still think him and DCL have been our best players this season.
Title: Re: Have you changed your mind on Rooney?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on September 30, 2017, 04:04:25 AM
Still think him and DCL have been our best players this season.

That might be true Christ though it would show how utterly shite we have been. Niasse in 3rd probably having played about 40 minutes as a sub?
Title: Re: Have you changed your mind on Rooney?
Post by: brap2 on September 30, 2017, 04:18:30 AM
I think rooney is a good player who plays well but ultimately it's at the detriment to the wider system.

I would rather a worse player capable of being positionally astute and sticking to a job, rather than roaming about spraying balls and trying to do everything.

The minute he started to do that at united they dropped him, and it's showing more and more why. Younger players defer to him because he's a natural leader, but his drive to be on the ball as much as humanely possible is eroding whatever system we have in place.
Title: Re: Have you changed your mind on Rooney?
Post by: bluenuck on September 30, 2017, 05:58:13 AM
I really don't know how to vote.

I wanted him here, but just not in such an important role where every ball has to go through him. It's the fuckin Wayne Rooney show out there.

I didn't want that.

Title: Re: Have you changed your mind on Rooney?
Post by: gizzblue on September 30, 2017, 06:05:19 AM
I'm convinced he's in the way tbh(despite his occasions of quality)..would love to see a couple of games without him being the focal ....have a feeling the team would come alive without him ....super sub role.?.
Title: Re: Have you changed your mind on Rooney?
Post by: SANA_DR0 on September 30, 2017, 06:13:27 AM
I really don't know how to vote.

I wanted him here, but just not in such an important role where every ball has to go through him. It's the fuckin Wayne Rooney show out there.

I didn't want that.

I think he wanted that, I think he feels bad he left when he did, (on a personal level, not on a career level) hence why he is trying to do everything, i kinda feel sorry for him.
Title: Re: Have you changed your mind on Rooney?
Post by: Simon Paul on September 30, 2017, 02:36:01 PM
Thought he could revitalise himself and give something to the team

He hasn't
Title: Re: Have you changed your mind on Rooney?
Post by: pjk on September 30, 2017, 05:24:14 PM
The team is hardly in any shape or form to give him any impetus. He's working his bollocks off and getting nowhere. Personally, I'll draw conclusions as to whether he's making an impact if, or when the team ever gets into any sort of acceptable form. Every player is being held back, with the exception of Niasse, Tom Davies, Calvert Lewin and Vlasic. Michael Keane has also been producing up until the two or three games before the injury. It's not Rooney's fault we're playing like eleven strangers.
Title: Re: Have you changed your mind on Rooney?
Post by: Bluedylan on September 30, 2017, 05:26:15 PM
Already fed up of seeing him taking the ball in line with our centre halves. Where this 'game intelligence' that he's meant to bring? Can he not see how detrimental that is?

Also, stay wide and give us some width when there's loads of number 10s playing. His lack of positional discipline is awful. Essentially he puts his own ego and desire to get on the ball ahead of the team's needs, like a youth team player with very little awareness.
Title: Re: Have you changed your mind on Rooney?
Post by: toffee_scot on September 30, 2017, 05:31:08 PM
I'm still happy that he has signed for us and think he could be a very useful player for us, however Everton needs to come up with a system to best utilise him whilst getting the most out of other players. Plus, just because he's Wayne Rooney, it doesn't mean he has a God-given right to start every game and play the full 90 minutes - at least during the Bournemouth game Koeman had the guts to take him off when things weren't working.
Title: Re: Have you changed your mind on Rooney?
Post by: 74Blue on September 30, 2017, 05:32:22 PM
I'm still happy that he has signed for us and think he could be a very useful player for us, however Everton needs to come up with a system to best utilise him whilst getting the most out of other players. Plus, just because he's Wayne Rooney, it doesn't mean he has a God-given right to start every game and play the full 90 minutes - at least during the Bournemouth game Koeman had the guts to take him off when things weren't working.
He took him off in the Bounemouth game because of an eye injury.
Title: Re: Have you changed your mind on Rooney?
Post by: Ross on September 30, 2017, 05:35:28 PM
Pretty much as I expected on the field and in the media.

Anyone know if he's effected our social media numbers?
Title: Re: Have you changed your mind on Rooney?
Post by: toffee_scot on September 30, 2017, 05:43:09 PM
He took him off in the Bounemouth game because of an eye injury.

Wayne Rooney continued to play on with the eye injury, he could have come off at half time but he didn't come off until 10 minutes into the second half, Koeman subbed off Davy Klaassen at the same time because he could finally see that his starting system for the umpteenth time wasn't working so he changed the shape and brought on Niasse and Davies who brought more energy in the attack.

Although the eye incident did get Wayne Rooney quite wound up so that might have also been a factor in Koeman taking him off. 
Title: Re: Have you changed your mind on Rooney?
Post by: blargins on September 30, 2017, 05:59:09 PM
I think we would be a better team without him. We should build the team around Sigurdsson and not Rooney.
Title: Re: Have you changed your mind on Rooney?
Post by: ally2 on September 30, 2017, 06:03:01 PM
I haven't changed my mind. Eventually I wanted him to come back (not initially) and I think in the main he has been over of our better players (though that really isn't saying much).

Agree with BD though - his positional discipline has Rio be better. He needs to reign that in.

I want to see him up front or nothing, preferably in a front two.
Title: Re: Have you changed your mind on Rooney?
Post by: brap2 on September 30, 2017, 06:20:41 PM
Thought he could revitalise himself and give something to the team

He hasn't

He hasnt looked worse than anyone else to be absolutely fair. They're all terrible at the moment.
Title: Re: Have you changed your mind on Rooney?
Post by: blueski on September 30, 2017, 07:31:00 PM
He creates some tactical problems but can't be faulted for effort or commitment or desire to win - ultimately then if he's used and the team performance suffers it's really not his fault; it's down to something external to him like the tactics the set up the individuals around him etc I think a fairer judge would be to play him for a run of games with an actual quality striker up top
Title: Re: Have you changed your mind on Rooney?
Post by: Evertonian in NC on September 30, 2017, 08:28:24 PM
He took him off in the Bounemouth game because of an eye injury.

No, Koeman said point-blank it was tactical
Title: Re: Have you changed your mind on Rooney?
Post by: Realist on September 30, 2017, 08:37:10 PM
Pretty much as I expected on the field and in the media.

Anyone know if he's effected our social media numbers?

Who's arsed about that honestly?
Title: Re: Have you changed your mind on Rooney?
Post by: Realist on September 30, 2017, 08:40:09 PM
Wayne Rooney continued to play on with the eye injury, he could have come off at half time but he didn't come off until 10 minutes into the second half, Koeman subbed off Davy Klaassen at the same time because he could finally see that his starting system for the umpteenth time wasn't working so he changed the shape and brought on Niasse and Davies who brought more energy in the attack.

Although the eye incident did get Wayne Rooney quite wound up so that might have also been a factor in Koeman taking him off.

Then he proceeded to play the original system again in the Limassol game
Title: Re: Have you changed your mind on Rooney?
Post by: toffee_scot on September 30, 2017, 08:49:23 PM
Then he proceeded to play the original system again in the Limassol game

Indeed and this is what really pisses me off about the current manager and I am expecting the same against Burnley.
Title: Re: Have you changed your mind on Rooney?
Post by: dazfrancis on September 30, 2017, 08:52:40 PM
He needs to stop fucking wandering so deep to get the ball and be patient and wait til someone finds him in space in the final third. If he can't find space centrally because there are sixteen other 10's occupying that space he should pull wide or as a senior player tell them to position themselves wide.

He hasn't lost much physically, he can still finish, he can still play a pass, he still has great vision and is still excellent at linking up with team mates. He just doesn't have the tactical discipline to play in a system because he fucks the system up when he goes wandering.

EDIT: And IMO the system is as important as the players you have in the team. You can have 11 Messi's in your team but the team wouldn't win you the champions league
Title: Re: Have you changed your mind on Rooney?
Post by: Evertonian in NC on September 30, 2017, 08:58:16 PM
He needs to stop fucking wandering so deep to get the ball and be patient and wait til someone finds him in space in the final third. If he can't find space centrally because there are sixteen other 10's occupying that space he should pull wide or as a senior player tell them to position themselves wide.

He hasn't lost much physically, he can still finish, he can still play a pass, he still has great vision and is still excellent at linking up with team mates. He just doesn't have the tactical discipline to play in a system because he fucks the system up when he goes wandering.

EDIT: And IMO the system is as important as the players you have in the team. You can have 11 Messi's in your team but the team wouldn't win you the champions league


Messi would be quite the shitty keeper.
Title: Re: Have you changed your mind on Rooney?
Post by: brap2 on September 30, 2017, 09:13:56 PM
Then he proceeded to play the original system again in the Limassol game

Wasn't it technically 4-3-3?
Title: Re: Have you changed your mind on Rooney?
Post by: Evertonian in NC on September 30, 2017, 09:33:04 PM
Wasn't it technically 4-3-3?

True, but narrow with everything running through Rooney and no room for Sigurdsson to create again.
Title: Re: Have you changed your mind on Rooney?
Post by: Realist on September 30, 2017, 09:33:57 PM
Wasn't it technically 4-3-3?

Fuck knows mate but it didn't look like one
Title: Re: Have you changed your mind on Rooney?
Post by: TheRam on September 30, 2017, 09:36:53 PM
Reckon he's been sound.

As I've mentioned before, he's been a part of most of the goals we've scored and always looks the make a difference.

Totally take on board his lack of positional discipline though.

He'll hit double figures for both goals and assists this season and that'll be some feat in this team.
Title: Re: Have you changed your mind on Rooney?
Post by: Ross on September 30, 2017, 09:38:40 PM
Who's arsed about that honestly?

Incredibly some people did use that as a reason that Rooneys Return was a good thing.

Title: Re: Have you changed your mind on Rooney?
Post by: blueToffee on September 30, 2017, 09:49:51 PM
On the surface it seems like the majority of people's opinions haven't changed (roughly 80% right now). People who wanted him back still think he's been a good addition, those who didn't who were unsure basically feel the same.

Pretty glaring, somewhat divisive split in the fanbase it'd seem at this point.
Title: Re: Have you changed your mind on Rooney?
Post by: BlueBeagle on September 30, 2017, 09:57:26 PM
Pretty glaring, somewhat divisive split in the fanbase it'd seem at this point.

Not really proving to be divisive is it, not exactly battles breaking out on the terraces over it.
Title: Re: Have you changed your mind on Rooney?
Post by: blueToffee on September 30, 2017, 10:00:02 PM
Not really proving to be divisive is it, not exactly battles breaking out on the terraces over it.

Well no, wasn't suggesting that. There are a fair few levels below that. Just doesn't help with Koeman viewpoints also diverging.
Title: Re: Have you changed your mind on Rooney?
Post by: brap2 on October 01, 2017, 01:03:49 AM
Reckon he's been sound.

As I've mentioned before, he's been a part of most of the goals we've scored and always looks the make a difference.

Totally take on board his lack of positional discipline though.

He'll hit double figures for both goals and assists this season and that'll be some feat in this team.

That would be a phenomenal return, although obviously it depends on how he effects those around him a bit as well.

Thought in the second half that gylfi had moved more central and looked bit more lively..
Title: Re: Have you changed your mind on Rooney?
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on October 01, 2017, 01:33:19 AM
Has done better than I thought to be fair.
Considering the cost and quality he's a much better signing than Klaassen, Sandro and Sigurdsson.....

Put together.

Title: Re: Have you changed your mind on Rooney?
Post by: Realist on October 01, 2017, 04:30:23 AM
Rooney is still a good player who can have an impact on games for us as we've already seen this season
It's easy to fix too, Koeman just has to grow a set of balls and tell him if he won't stick to the position he's given he gets dropped
Title: Re: Have you changed your mind on Rooney?
Post by: Redartin on October 01, 2017, 04:43:09 AM
If he wasn't a local lad would the Liverpool contingent think any different?

Edit:
@Bally (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=19) a question for your podcast, and the same applies to Barkley, Davis etc.
Are local lads under more pressure to perform or do they get away with more than outsiders?