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Title: Optimistic or Pessimistic Blue?
Post by: MrWhite on October 03, 2017, 01:52:13 AM
Which end of the scale do you lean towards? Do you always look for the silver lining? Are you always bracing for the impact?

This isn't about how you are in normal life, just how you are when it comes to our club.

Don't take it too seriously. 😇
Title: Re: Optimistic or Pessimistic Blue?
Post by: gizzblue on October 03, 2017, 01:54:13 AM
My glass is always half full in life day to day....although if I had a bigger glass it wouldn't be .

Everton of late is the bigger glass .
Title: Re: Optimistic or Pessimistic Blue?
Post by: Silas on October 03, 2017, 02:03:24 AM
An eternal optimist I still believe in my heart despite recent evidence that Koeman will come good. I thought Bilyaletdinov would make it with us too though
Title: Re: Optimistic or Pessimistic Blue?
Post by: Audrey Horne on October 03, 2017, 02:04:11 AM
Martinez and now Koeman are ruining Everton for me.
Title: Re: Optimistic or Pessimistic Blue?
Post by: Brownie20 on October 03, 2017, 02:09:53 AM
Always half full me. Been involved too long in sport to think anything other than sport moves in cycles. Good will always follow bad. Life's too short to be pessimistic, and remember there is joy to come. Just think how good the win over Arsenal felt last year after that long winless run. If you could bottle that feeling.....
Title: Re: Optimistic or Pessimistic Blue?
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on October 03, 2017, 02:14:48 AM
Martinez and now Koeman are ruining Everton for me.
Cheer up, your young enough to have many more shite managers to look forward to,you lucky thing.
Title: Re: Optimistic or Pessimistic Blue?
Post by: Realist on October 03, 2017, 02:14:57 AM
I'm an optimist.
🔥🔥🔥 Flame me  🔥🔥🔥
Title: Re: Optimistic or Pessimistic Blue?
Post by: Shropshire Blue on October 03, 2017, 02:16:32 AM
Eternal optimist me.
I've seen teams develop, flourish and eventually fade but I'm always left with the game to game experience even when times are bad. No matter how bad a team gets there's always the chance that the next game turns the corner and up we go.
Everton have enjoyed continued success for our whole history because that's what playing in the top tier is. I watch lower league football and the vast majority of fans would give a lot just for one season in the PL.
Whatever the current situation the tingle of excitement when that drum starts Z Cars is as strong as ever and only when that disappears will I consider myself a pessimist.
It also means I get a lot more for my money.
Title: Re: Optimistic or Pessimistic Blue?
Post by: Paddockoldie on October 03, 2017, 02:18:53 AM
I've lived through the 70's as a blue with the red shite in their prime. I've been thrilled in the 80's when it was our time. The 90's gave us another cup and for once again we were on the up . The naughties where up and down and made much worse by the brown shoes clown. Now we've gone for a double Dutch and they're not living up to much. The only thing that is always true, is I was born and will die a blue.


We'll be okay blues... we're Everton aren't we!!!!
Title: Re: Optimistic or Pessimistic Blue?
Post by: TheTone on October 03, 2017, 02:24:56 AM
life was great during the summer when we had no games

Everton are cunts really

I probably feel great after half a dozen games in any given season while the rest of the time I'm sat shaking my head and fuming

Yet I keep coming back to support us

It's like being in love with a head wrecking bird
Title: Re: Optimistic or Pessimistic Blue?
Post by: Audrey Horne on October 03, 2017, 02:26:31 AM
Cheer up, your young enough to have many more shite managers to look forward to,you lucky thing.

Im fickle though, a few good wins and ill be back on the Koeman express.
Title: Re: Optimistic or Pessimistic Blue?
Post by: Ross on October 03, 2017, 02:27:42 AM
Knowing Iíll still have us down for a win in the Brighton prediction thread tells itís own story I suppose.
Title: Re: Optimistic or Pessimistic Blue?
Post by: arteta4spain on October 03, 2017, 02:29:49 AM
Proper pessimist me. Although at the start of the season I was the eternal optimist. Now back to square one.
Title: Re: Optimistic or Pessimistic Blue?
Post by: TheTone on October 03, 2017, 02:29:54 AM
Knowing Iíll still have us down for a win in the Brighton prediction thread tells itís own story I suppose.

fuck that, I'm going all out @indiantoffee1975 (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=3032)  for this one
Title: Re: Optimistic or Pessimistic Blue?
Post by: Ravardo on October 03, 2017, 02:30:29 AM
Optimistic me fuck being pessimistic ill leave that to the missis
Title: Re: Optimistic or Pessimistic Blue?
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on October 03, 2017, 02:35:12 AM
Im fickle though, a few good wins and ill be back on the Koeman express.
As much as i don't like him, we need him to succeed.
Title: Re: Optimistic or Pessimistic Blue?
Post by: Ross on October 03, 2017, 02:38:56 AM
fuck that, I'm going all out @indiantoffee1975 (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=3032)  for this one

Is that a good thing?
Title: Re: Optimistic or Pessimistic Blue?
Post by: TheTone on October 03, 2017, 02:40:59 AM
Is that a good thing?

nailed on he goes for a draw, a loss or a narrow 1 nil victory
Title: Re: Optimistic or Pessimistic Blue?
Post by: Sir Stealth on October 03, 2017, 02:48:03 AM
Overall I'm quite pessimistic with Everton as they've let me down so much but I never learn my lesson. I always get excited for when we play and somehow think we are going to all of a sudden come good

I don't think we will ever win a trophy again in our history though

And I don't think we will ever win a Derby again

So you could say I was a pessimist
Title: Re: Optimistic or Pessimistic Blue?
Post by: TheRam on October 03, 2017, 02:50:42 AM
Im a realist.

I can see when patterns develop and know what's around the corner.

I'm done with Koeman because I know his departure is imminent.

We've been shite for all the time I've supported us but never actually been that shite, so it's hard to go ethier way for me.
Title: Re: Optimistic or Pessimistic Blue?
Post by: The Analog Kid on October 03, 2017, 02:50:45 AM
Neither really. As much as I love to see us to win games and do well I certainly donít beat meself up about it, just a moan and a swift headbutt to the neighbours cat is sufficient.
Title: Re: Optimistic or Pessimistic Blue?
Post by: Brownie20 on October 03, 2017, 03:00:45 AM
Im a realist.

I can see when patterns develop and know what's around the corner.

I'm done with Koeman because I know his departure is imminent.

We've been shite for all the time I've supported us but never actually been that shite, so it's hard to go ethier way for me.

I forget you're a young un. Think you're right about Koeman though
Title: Re: Optimistic or Pessimistic Blue?
Post by: Eddiesheeds on October 03, 2017, 03:02:11 AM
Supporting since 1959 Iím an optimist with masochistic tendencies
Title: Re: Optimistic or Pessimistic Blue?
Post by: charlatan on October 03, 2017, 03:32:05 AM
Pessimistic blue here.  Shared a season ticket with my 3 brothers from the age of around 3 (my Dad took one of us on the other one), remember seeing the likes of Mick Lyons, Trevor Ross, Duncan McKenzie, Bob Latchford.  Was lucky enough that my brothers who are 10+ years older starting taking me with them from early 84 onwards, so seen all the glory years of the mid 80's, although was only 9 for the 85 season.  Started going with my pals from about the age of 12.

We've been pretty much varying degrees of shite ever since, apart from a couple of Royle and Moyes seasons
Title: Re: Optimistic or Pessimistic Blue?
Post by: van der Meyde on October 03, 2017, 03:43:51 AM
Optimistic about the potential of Everton if they were to get major decisions right over the next couple of years.

Pessimistic about the people making those decisions.
Title: Re: Optimistic or Pessimistic Blue?
Post by: Realist on October 03, 2017, 03:46:11 AM
I'm a realist, we're shit, I say what I see, people don't like it, they call that pessimistic on here, being optimistic is hard as an Everton fan after so many years of shit. The end
Title: Re: Optimistic or Pessimistic Blue?
Post by: indiantoffee1975 on October 03, 2017, 03:57:35 AM
Funnily enough I was quite confident of our season ahead until the day the window closed, otherwise a pessimist where EFC are concerned.

Two things here, one its probably the way I am as a person, always maintain a higher level for personal achievement/targets and by setting the bar high each time,  I only want to strive for the very best and that's the mindset I have when it comes to things that may be out of my control including the team I support.

Secondly it's being fortuitous and brought up in an era when we're privileged and spoilt to some great football and great players under the Kendall era. That's the benchmark for me and I want nothing less. It might sound arrogant by why settle for second best.
Title: Re: Optimistic or Pessimistic Blue?
Post by: Shropshire Blue on October 03, 2017, 04:05:38 AM
I'm a realist, we're shit, I say what I see, people don't like it, they call that pessimistic on here, being optimistic is hard as an Everton fan after so many years of shit. The end
You've watched a team who have played at one of the highest levels in world football longer than you have lived.  Some people have an expectation that they have a right to be the very best,  only the very best and always the very best.
It's quite amusing watching such people meet real life!
Title: Re: Optimistic or Pessimistic Blue?
Post by: plowman2 on October 03, 2017, 04:24:08 AM
Always tried to be optimistic over the past few years but I'm tired and worn out now. I don't believe my own bullshit anymore. To many false dawns takes it out of me and I miss scenes of rejoicing Evertonians.
I think we'll waste another couple of years with Koeman before signing another disappointment  and hopefully, meantime, we won't get relegated. Really need us to get things right again as we did in the eighties as I hardly even think about upcoming games until kickoff.
Mustn't grumble though!
Title: Re: Optimistic or Pessimistic Blue?
Post by: SANA_DR0 on October 03, 2017, 04:32:17 AM
dont understand the question, I enjoy the game regardless, the result is beyond my control... its just like watching the third/4th seasons of walking dead atm.

Cant wait till Negan kicks in.. just hope it wont be  2-3 seasons time.
Title: Re: Optimistic or Pessimistic Blue?
Post by: Optimistic Blue on October 03, 2017, 04:35:45 AM
yes, my child?
Title: Re: Optimistic or Pessimistic Blue?
Post by: arteta4spain on October 03, 2017, 04:48:48 AM
Im a realist.

I can see when patterns develop and know what's around the corner.

I'm done with Koeman because I know his departure is imminent.

We've been shite for all the time I've supported us but never actually been that shite, so it's hard to go ethier way for me.
Even though Moshiri has given Koeman his total support publicly you reckon he's a goner? I don't! Moshiri will hopefully be scrutinising everything Koeman does and seeing if there are improvements. Not just in results but in performances and his man management.
I hope Moshiri has put him on notice and reaffirmed his expectations. I'd hope he's said something along the lines of ,you've got ten games to sort this out. If I was Moshiri I'd be asking what his actual plan is, what is he trying The achieve with all these players. Are they not doing what's been asked of them? Are they confused as to what you want from them?
Moshiri and Kenwright need to assess what Koemans plans are and see if he just needs time to bring it into fruition.
If we were sound in defence and middle of the park and couldn't score then I'd be saying yeah Koemans done well to a certain extent. He's got the basics with what we've got and as we didn't get a striker in that's where we're lacking. However it's all over the park and there's no cohesion or any kind of plan.
It makes you wonder what goes on at Finch Farm.
Title: Re: Optimistic or Pessimistic Blue?
Post by: TheRam on October 03, 2017, 04:54:30 AM
Even though Moshiri has given Koeman his total support publicly you reckon he's a goner? I don't! Moshiri will hopefully be scrutinising everything Koeman does and seeing if there are improvements. Not just in results but in performances and his man management.
I hope Moshiri has put him on notice and reaffirmed his expectations. I'd hope he's said something along the lines of ,you've got ten games to sort this out. If I was Moshiri I'd be asking what his actual plan is, what is he trying The achieve with all these players. Are they not doing what's been asked of them? Are they confused as to what you want from them?
Moshiri and Kenwright need to assess what Koemans plans are and see if he just needs time to bring it into fruition.
If we were sound in defence and middle of the park and couldn't score then I'd be saying yeah Koemans done well to a certain extent. He's got the basics with what we've got and as we didn't get a striker in that's where we're lacking. However it's all over the park and there's no cohesion or any kind of plan.
It makes you wonder what goes on at Finch Farm.

Yeah man.

The so called 'vote of confidence' is usually the beginning of the end.

He called for a reaction after Atalanta and hasn't got it. The only reaction he's gotten is from a player he doesn't want here who obviously wants to prove a point.

Can't see us getting results at Brighton, Arsenal at home, and the Lyon games.

His position will be untenable by that point.
Title: Re: Optimistic or Pessimistic Blue?
Post by: arteta4spain on October 03, 2017, 05:09:34 AM
Yeah man.

The so called 'vote of confidence' is usually the beginning of the end.

He called for a reaction after Atalanta and hasn't got it. The only reaction he's gotten is from a player he doesn't want here who obviously wants to prove a point.

Can't see us getting results at Brighton, Arsenal at home, and the Lyon games.

His position will be untenable by that point.
I'm torn tbh because on one hand I'll be fuming that the season could be over before Christmas as out of Europe (possibly) languishing in the lower half of the league and possibly out of a cup. But on the other it'll force him out and hopefully a new manager will turn us around. 
Title: Re: Optimistic or Pessimistic Blue?
Post by: bacon sarnie on October 03, 2017, 05:44:51 AM
Supporting since 1959 Iím an optimist with masochistic tendencies

Snap. Knew we'd beat Sheff Wednesday though.
Title: Re: Optimistic or Pessimistic Blue?
Post by: Ravardo on October 03, 2017, 06:19:55 AM
Talking of optimism i know it raised a chuckle last time i mentioned it but mesut ozil should be available in january or he leaves on a free at the end of the season being linked with inter milan...just need to change where he plays to centre mid next to davies
Title: Re: Optimistic or Pessimistic Blue?
Post by: Ramjam on October 03, 2017, 06:36:43 AM
For some strange reason I always think we will win come match day, probably because in the 80's the case was not if we would win but rather how many we would win by. Fuck to have those days back again when we flogged everyone
Title: Re: Optimistic or Pessimistic Blue?
Post by: Realist on October 03, 2017, 07:12:20 AM
Talking of optimism i know it raised a chuckle last time i mentioned it but mesut ozil should be available in january or he leaves on a free at the end of the season being linked with inter milan...just need to change where he plays to centre mid next to davies

Now that's what you call optimism
Title: Re: Optimistic or Pessimistic Blue?
Post by: blueToffee on October 03, 2017, 08:19:43 AM
Martinez and now Koeman are ruining Everton for me.

That first Martinez season though...

I was dead against him coming in too but it was probably the highlight in recent years for me. Awful after that but I think credit where it was due for a little while.
Title: Re: Optimistic or Pessimistic Blue?
Post by: blueToffee on October 03, 2017, 08:27:49 AM
Iím all over the map on this, always somewhat optimistic before kick off but that optimism is tempered by our history.

Bigger picture, I think we have a very narrow avenue for success. The divide is something that will grow bigger if we let it. Much like prior to kick off though I try to keep hopeful on the chance of us winning things again. That will require us doing things well on and off the field that weíre currently doing kinda poorly.
Title: Re: Optimistic or Pessimistic Blue?
Post by: bluenuck on October 03, 2017, 10:16:54 AM
I'm torn tbh because on one hand I'll be fuming that the season could be over before Christmas as out of Europe (possibly) languishing in the lower half of the league and possibly out of a cup. But on the other it'll force him out and hopefully a new manager will turn us around.

Christmas?! It could be over by Halloween.
Title: Re: Optimistic or Pessimistic Blue?
Post by: Toddacelli on October 03, 2017, 01:45:25 PM
I've been poisoned.

Growing up as a child when you think you're invincible and life will go on like one endless summer holiday and anything is possible and football is the greatest thing in the world and your football team is the best in the world.

Well that time for me was the 80's. Too young to remeber the early 80's much but 84/85 was my first season ticket with my dad and at the age of 8 I thought the success and the football and the players and me and my dad would last forever.

The poison of that success ravaged my body and soul and I was never the same again.

Any time we get anything like a sniff of anything good I am like a junkie. Yes, yes, this is it! This is it! One more hit of the Golden Years!

And for a moment I can almost remember the feel of those Golden Blues hazy 80's days...

Now, like Pookie, starving and craving the rush it takes very little to get me optimistic that the next big hit is around the corner. Even signing a player I've never heard of and never seen from some European minnow league can get me going again - he might be the next Trevor Steven, Peter Reid, Kevin Sheedy, Neville Southall, Paul Bracewell, Andy Gray, Kevin Ratcliffe, Graeme Sharp...

...
...
...

It never is.

So am I optimistic? I am. Or at least I exhibit signs of optimisim, but take me to the soul doctor and he or she would recognise the signs. This lad's not optimistic - he's been poisoned by success at an early age when life and laughter had no end and anything was possible.

Chances of recovery?  Less than zero.



(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/156F5/production/_97279778_sadboywithball.jpg)
Title: Re: Optimistic or Pessimistic Blue?
Post by: BlueForYou on October 03, 2017, 02:27:12 PM
C Palace on the 18th Nov

January transfer window

FA Cup to come

An away win, a CB, a left footer, a goalscorer and a trophy

Koeman's cavaliers

Keep the faith





Title: Re: Optimistic or Pessimistic Blue?
Post by: Macca77 on October 03, 2017, 04:00:41 PM
One of my mates said this last night, "it's just second season syndrome, happens to every manager"

I had to stop myself from punching his face in
Title: Re: Optimistic or Pessimistic Blue?
Post by: blue slug on October 03, 2017, 04:35:35 PM
Martinez and koeman have made me numb to feelings with regards to everton and that is something that didn't even happen under mike walker or walter smith
Title: Re: Optimistic or Pessimistic Blue?
Post by: blargins on October 03, 2017, 04:35:55 PM
Couldnít give a shit blue.
Title: Re: Optimistic or Pessimistic Blue?
Post by: SANA_DR0 on October 03, 2017, 04:52:29 PM
I've been poisoned.

Growing up as a child when you think you're invincible and life will go on like one endless summer holiday and anything is possible and football is the greatest thing in the world and your football team is the best in the world.

Well that time for me was the 80's. Too young to remeber the early 80's much but 84/85 was my first season ticket with my dad and at the age of 8 I thought the success and the football and the players and me and my dad would last forever.

The poison of that success ravaged my body and soul and I was never the same again.

Any time we get anything like a sniff of anything good I am like a junkie. Yes, yes, this is it! This is it! One more hit of the Golden Years!

And for a moment I can almost remember the feel of those Golden Blues hazy 80's days...

Now, like Pookie, starving and craving the rush it takes very little to get me optimistic that the next big hit is around the corner. Even signing a player I've never heard of and never seen from some European minnow league can get me going again - he might be the next Trevor Steven, Peter Reid, Kevin Sheedy, Neville Southall, Paul Bracewell, Andy Gray, Kevin Ratcliffe, Graeme Sharp...

...
...
...

It never is.

So am I optimistic? I am. Or at least I exhibit signs of optimisim, but take me to the soul doctor and he or she would recognise the signs. This lad's not optimistic - he's been poisoned by success at an early age when life and laughter had no end and anything was possible.

Chances of recovery?  Less than zero.



(http://atlantablackstar.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Dedrick-Gobert.jpg)

fixed..need to watch NewjackCity again..  thank you for the memories!
Title: Re: Optimistic or Pessimistic Blue?
Post by: Ravardo on October 03, 2017, 04:57:37 PM
Ozil he's defo optimistic he wants £350.000k a week :wanker:
Title: Re: Optimistic or Pessimistic Blue?
Post by: MrWhite on October 03, 2017, 08:13:45 PM
dont understand the question, I enjoy the game regardless, the result is beyond my control... its just like watching the third/4th seasons of walking dead atm.

Cant wait till Negan kicks in.. just hope it wont be  2-3 seasons time.

(http://i67.tinypic.com/wa614g.jpg)
Title: Re: Optimistic or Pessimistic Blue?
Post by: TSGun on October 03, 2017, 09:19:25 PM
Always optimistic, and there's been a general upward curve of optimism over the past 15 years or so.

Despite the shaky ground currently we've a good squad, some excellent young talent and a club that's seeking to improve and grow. What's not to be optimistic about?

...besides, isn't it simply a matter of choice?
Title: Re: Optimistic or Pessimistic Blue?
Post by: formerKHL on October 03, 2017, 09:37:28 PM
The only way is up........so you decide what I am....
Title: Re: Optimistic or Pessimistic Blue?
Post by: Paddockoldie on October 03, 2017, 09:49:33 PM
The only way is up........so you decide what I am....

Are you Yaz?
Title: Re: Optimistic or Pessimistic Blue?
Post by: formerKHL on October 03, 2017, 10:05:59 PM
haha ye..only better looking......me mam told me..
Title: Re: Optimistic or Pessimistic Blue?
Post by: Paddockoldie on October 04, 2017, 12:02:47 AM
That's mum's for you. You could be a proper minger and your ma would still think you could be a model
Title: Re: Optimistic or Pessimistic Blue?
Post by: gizzblue on October 04, 2017, 12:32:18 AM
That's mum's for you. You could be a proper minger and your ma would still think you could be a model
Even Luke Chadwicks mum and tevez....naaaa
Title: Re: Optimistic or Pessimistic Blue?
Post by: wepull on October 04, 2017, 01:02:11 AM
After the "Blowing your own trumpet" thread I don't think I can ever lean towards optimistic blue.

I think we have a good enough squad and we'll recover from this bad start even with Koeman at the helm. What I am not fine with is one more year where we barely challenge for anything. We are not going to do anything great in the league, with Chelsea away in the league cup we are more or less going to lose it, also it looks pretty unlikely that we'll go into the knockouts of the Europa league. It's 3 out of 4 competitions we are more or less out of within 1.5 months into the season. I think I have a pretty much pessimistic view towards this season.
Title: Re: Optimistic or Pessimistic Blue?
Post by: SANA_DR0 on October 04, 2017, 01:07:41 AM
(http://i67.tinypic.com/wa614g.jpg)

LOL, can only dream :)