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Title: Who do you want?
Post by: Confucius on October 03, 2017, 09:41:14 PM
So I have been thinking about this for a few days and I have decided that should/when Koeman is sacked as would want.....

Marco Silva. No doubt about it.

Who would you want?
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 03, 2017, 09:44:43 PM
I don't really watch enough football to be that informed but I'd not be upset with silva or dyche
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 03, 2017, 09:53:12 PM
whoever kramer says!
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: themilkycoffees on October 03, 2017, 10:00:24 PM
I don't really watch enough football to be that informed but I'd not be upset with silva or dyche

Could you imagine watching that on Sunday 38 times a season? If we could finish, we'd have comfortably won the game.
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: formerKHL on October 03, 2017, 10:15:25 PM
if  only we could get this guy out of retirement....Ottmar Hitzfeld...

never gonna happen though...

silly answer I know..... but I can dream...
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 03, 2017, 10:21:11 PM
Could you imagine watching that on Sunday 38 times a season? If we could finish, we'd have comfortably won the game.

He does manage Burnley. If they were paying 100k a week wages and spending 100m plus in 1 transfer window they might be a bit better too

Also they've drawn with Liverpool and Spurs and beaten us and Chelsea this season. When was the last time we gave the decent teams a game with that consistency.

Oh and I missed the first 10 minutes due to a big shit we barely had a chance to finish in the last 80
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: themilkycoffees on October 03, 2017, 10:27:58 PM
He does manage Burnley. If they were paying 100k a week wages and spending 100m plus in 1 transfer window they might be a bit better too

Also they've drawn with Liverpool and Spurs and beaten us and Chelsea this season. When was the last time we gave the decent teams a game with that consistency.

Oh and I missed the first 10 minutes due to a big shit we barely had a chance to finish in the last 80


Can't argue they've been great so far this season. Fair play to them and Dyche but it's unlikely to last and he's just not for me. Dyche has a defensive and quite a negative philosophy. Silva has a very different one with a club with similar aspirations in Watford, where they don't look to defend for 90 minutes in the hope they can nick a point.
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: Martip on October 03, 2017, 10:29:34 PM
Silva would be an interesting one...dhown signs of being a great manager
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: Sir Stealth on October 03, 2017, 10:35:02 PM
Yeah put me down for Marco Silva

By all accounts he seems like a really bright young manager. Meticulously studies the game and the opposition to prepare his sides. Seems like a good man manager too, and he looks like Colin Farrell
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: Ross on October 03, 2017, 10:44:10 PM
Main problem with Silva is he’s a bit flighty looking at his cv.
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: themilkycoffees on October 03, 2017, 10:46:48 PM
Silva very unlikely anyway. The inks not even dry on his Watford contract yet!
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: Redartin on October 03, 2017, 10:47:24 PM
Unai Emery

we should have went all out the last time, maybe PSG will make a slip up, they sack him, and we'll get him next time.
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: BlueForYou on October 03, 2017, 11:05:38 PM
Don't want him sacked
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: Bluebridge on October 03, 2017, 11:12:46 PM
if  only we could get this guy out of retirement....Ottmar Hitzfeld...

never gonna happen though...

silly answer I know..... but I can dream...
Is'nt he the Austrian nutter who banged up his daughter for years in a secret cellar and got her pregnant several times?
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: sirblue57 on October 03, 2017, 11:15:12 PM
Mour.....
Never mind...
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: The Analog Kid on October 03, 2017, 11:17:38 PM
Did someone say Dyche?!! Fuckin Ell!!

Our biggest mistake came when we hired Martinez instead of busting a gut for some of the names getting batted about. They may well have still been at the helm with a settled squad.
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on October 03, 2017, 11:17:47 PM
David Unsworth.

(Ignoring the fact he doesn't have his full licence)
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 03, 2017, 11:21:22 PM

Can't argue they've been great so far this season. Fair play to them and Dyche but it's unlikely to last and he's just not for me. Dyche has a defensive and quite a negative philosophy. Silva has a very different one with a club with similar aspirations in Watford, where they don't look to defend for 90 minutes in the hope they can nick a point.


Burnley being in the top flight is a miracle of his making. Of course it's unlikely to last that they stay in 6th. If they stay up he's done a wonderful job
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: kramer0 on October 03, 2017, 11:42:32 PM
The best technical director we can afford to handle all footballing decisions.

Moshiri/Kenwright to focus entirely on business decisions and the club's charitable work.
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: Bluedylan on October 03, 2017, 11:44:20 PM
Denis Villeneuve. Throw big money at him.
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: Shogun on October 03, 2017, 11:50:12 PM
No chance of getting Silva at this point and if we did then it wouldn't say a lot about his loyalty.

It's got to be Unsworth anyway. If he's shite then we get someone in at the end of the season.

If he's class then we're sorted.

We will be out of league cup and Europe by the time it happens anyway so there's no pressure.
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: BlueBeagle on October 03, 2017, 11:53:47 PM
it wouldn't say a lot about his loyalty.

As if that means anything in football
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: Audrey Horne on October 04, 2017, 12:00:28 AM
Denis Villeneuve. Throw big money at him.

hahaha
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: kramer0 on October 04, 2017, 12:10:34 AM
Denis Villeneuve. Throw big money at him.

Well played.
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: Brownie20 on October 04, 2017, 12:16:20 AM
I don't get the Villeneuve joke. I know he's a film director of French/Canadian origin but that's it
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: Waltzer on October 04, 2017, 12:17:34 AM
 Id rather be perennial strugglers than sit through matches like Burnley fans must. It's route one at its finest for most of the game, he's got them well organised but it's very limited.
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: Bluedylan on October 04, 2017, 12:18:15 AM
I don't get the Villeneuve joke. I know he's a film director of French/Canadian origin but that's it

Not really a joke per se. He just seems to be able to do everything else well. If he can get the Blade Runner sequel so right, I'm sure he can deal with another seemingly poisoned chalice.
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: kramer0 on October 04, 2017, 12:21:47 AM
Not really a joke per se. He just seems to be able to do everything else well. If he can get the Blade Runner sequel so right, I'm sure he can deal with another seemingly poisoned chalice.

I thought it was a response to my post about a "technical director."
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: TheRam on October 04, 2017, 12:24:11 AM
Denis Villeneuve. Throw big money at him.

His Arrival would be something to talk about.
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 04, 2017, 12:28:31 AM
Shit, I figured he was the new Porto Guy
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: Audrey Horne on October 04, 2017, 12:30:19 AM
His Arrival would be something to talk about.

He doesnt take no prisoners in his approach.
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: Sir Stealth on October 04, 2017, 12:40:55 AM
Denis Villeneuve. Throw big money at him.

Is this some sort of Sic joke?!
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: TheRam on October 04, 2017, 12:46:12 AM
Great site lads
Title: Who do you want?
Post by: mikey_blue on October 04, 2017, 12:48:50 AM
What's happened to Lucien Farvre? Wasn't he meant to be boss?
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: formerKHL on October 04, 2017, 01:00:59 AM
Very noticeable that everyone went ballistic that we lost to Burnley on Sunday.....and stated how very poor we were....yet some on here want dyche as our new manager.....??

Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 04, 2017, 01:01:10 AM
Id rather be perennial strugglers than sit through matches like Burnley fans must. It's route one at its finest for most of the game, he's got them well organised but it's very limited.

We've sat through about 3 of the last 4 seasons of worse football.
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 04, 2017, 01:03:44 AM
Very noticeable that everyone went ballistic that we lost to Burnley on Sunday.....and stated how very poor we were....yet some on here want dyche as our new manager.....??



I think want might be a bit strong. Just a realistic target who's a lot better than what we have
Burnley are 6th having faced similar fixtures to us on a budget a fraction of ours.
Don't think anyone is suggesting dyche cos he beat us. With a bit of luck every team we've faced this season in the league could have beaten us
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: kramer0 on October 04, 2017, 01:08:29 AM
What's happened to Lucien Farvre? Wasn't he meant to be boss?

A bit of a mixed bag this season. His Nice side have taken the maximum 6 points from their Europa games and smashed Monaco 4-0 in Ligue 1 but they've also had a few bad losses.

One of my favorite managers in Europe. He trusts young players but his teams are still highly organized.
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: everton1952 on October 04, 2017, 01:24:25 AM
It has to be Pep Gardiola, thanks for giving me a vote.
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: gizzblue on October 04, 2017, 01:35:58 AM
I'd take anyone who knows his arse from his elbow at this point ....oh and no huge egotistical chip would be good too .
Must have more than a Sam Allerdyce lump it and chase mentality  (although at least it's a tactic RK seems devoid of them),
We need passion back too perchance an ex blue ....ffs do i mean the Rhino ???.....who knows .
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: Cozzie on October 04, 2017, 01:56:13 AM
There are people on here suggesting we couldn't get Tuchel.

While it would be unlikely I personally think with the right contract he would come here, simply for the fact of giving himself a chance at managing in the premier league.

Failing that I would be happy with Silva.
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: Cereal Killer on October 04, 2017, 03:19:59 AM
I'd take anyone who knows his arse from his elbow at this point ....oh and no huge egotistical chip would be good too .
Must have more than a Sam Allerdyce lump it and chase mentality  (although at least it's a tactic RK seems devoid of them),
We need passion back too perchance an ex blue ....ffs do i mean the Rhino ???.....who knows .

Based on our current status, Sam Allardyce is probably who'll we get
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: TheTone on October 04, 2017, 03:21:44 AM
big fucking Marco
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: farnhamtoffee on October 04, 2017, 03:49:32 AM
Would be more than happy with Unsworth.
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: TheTone on October 04, 2017, 03:55:16 AM
it's going to be a common theme into the future, I reckon we'll have at least another 5 managers within the next 10 seasons

grim stuff
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: Juanito on October 04, 2017, 04:38:45 AM
There are people on here suggesting we couldn't get Tuchel.

While it would be unlikely I personally think with the right contract he would come here, simply for the fact of giving himself a chance at managing in the premier league.

Failing that I would be happy with Silva.

Probably hanging around for the Bayern job.
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: plowman2 on October 04, 2017, 04:41:25 AM
Peiegrini
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: Hawkandro on October 04, 2017, 05:10:53 AM
Ancelotti.
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: TheRam on October 04, 2017, 05:15:23 AM
I think anchelotti would be a disaster here.
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: brap2 on October 04, 2017, 06:08:22 AM
Think ancelotti's next job will be either Milan, or China where he can phone it in until retirement.

Wonder how Arteta is getting on.
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: TheRam on October 04, 2017, 06:37:53 AM
Think ancelotti's next job will be either Milan, or China where he can phone it in until retirement.

Wonder how Arteta is getting on.

Do I have another one for the Arteta train here?
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: American Evertonian on October 04, 2017, 08:00:07 AM
I want someone that won't start Rooney every match.
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: SteB on October 04, 2017, 08:26:47 AM
I know he's only just started at Lille but its Marcelo Bielsa for me.
Title: Who do you want?
Post by: Buck76 on October 04, 2017, 08:58:22 AM
There are people on here suggesting we couldn't get Tuchel.

While it would be unlikely I personally think with the right contract he would come here, simply for the fact of giving himself a chance at managing in the premier league.

Failing that I would be happy with Silva.

Yes Thomas Tuchel, if the Russian is on the way & Bayern go for someone else... ya never know he maybe tempted to make it an all german Merseyside Derby...

But we have some serious enemies in the Media... Carroll & Mazzarri... enough to spark a riot!!
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on October 04, 2017, 12:53:04 PM
Not sure any ‘big time’ manager would touch us, unless it was just for the money. We’re a bit of a joke. The squad is so unbalanced and ultimately that’s the boards fault: either Walsh for not ensuring we’ve got sufficient quality/numbers in ALL areas, or indulging Koeman. We’ve discussed at length the club whether Koeman/Walsh are responsible for the poor shape of the squad...but that is ultimately the boards fault.

We can try to sell the ‘quality’ of the squad to the new guy but he’ll just say ‘you’ve struggled for width...and no fucking wonder, all your wide options at the club are fucking dreadful!’. ‘You’ve struggled for goals...’. See above.

No chance a manager can come in and get this lot playing anytime soon- we’re short of genuine quality in defence, out wide and upfront.

It’s not like a normal interview where you turn up and try and say the right things and hope you get it. It’d take a lot of work through agents even get our board in the same room as someone like Ancelotti and he’d be asking the questions and scrutinising our philosophy, since the takeover. Not sure out board have the answers.

Part of Steve Walsh’s job should be to look at continuity - there should be an affordable candidate lined-up that should have a similar playing philosophy (whatever that it) to the current manager which means the team’s not in need of drastic overhaul after every appointment.
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: brap2 on October 04, 2017, 01:49:51 PM
I know he's only just started at Lille but its Marcelo Bielsa for me.

Supposed to be a genius but don't the wheels come flying off at most of the clubs he joins?
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: Escla on October 04, 2017, 02:08:39 PM
 Rafa Benitez
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: van der Meyde on October 04, 2017, 02:22:57 PM
Wonder how Arteta is getting on.
If you're open to Arteta, you'll be Rhino in in no time. :)
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: brap2 on October 04, 2017, 02:26:39 PM
Rafa Benitez

Hate the man but he'd piss seventh.

Only problem is he's even worse at attack then Ron.
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: brap2 on October 04, 2017, 02:26:57 PM
If you're open to Arteta, you'll be Rhino in in no time. :)

Nah you're alright.
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: Cereal Killer on October 04, 2017, 02:29:05 PM
Anyone who fancies playing 4-4-2 with players in their actual positions
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: van der Meyde on October 04, 2017, 03:14:50 PM
Nah you're alright.
Sure that year as co-assistant coach has done wonders for his credentials. :)
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: SANA_DR0 on October 04, 2017, 03:28:11 PM
Silva, but i doubt he would do 3 clubs in 1 year.. :S

Someone who can train teach Unsworth, i dont know which foreign managers are decent, as i aint watched anything in europe for around 5-7 years..

but if i could have anyone.. be Simeone. (to work with Unsworth) lol
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: BlueForYou on October 04, 2017, 03:30:20 PM
No shouts for Ferguson?

Dunc 'n' Dave!
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: sirblue57 on October 04, 2017, 03:41:43 PM
Rafa Benitez

Fuck off. He has less respect for us then Koeman.
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: Jimmywhack on October 04, 2017, 03:46:27 PM
No shouts for Ferguson?

Dunc 'n' Dave!
I'd rather Chas n Dave tbh
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: D_murph0278 on October 04, 2017, 03:52:04 PM
I've already decided I want Koeman gone.
I can't stand the Dutch (no offence to any Vennegor of Hesselink's on here) they just struggle getting the message across in English and are so arrogant with it.
Lack of team spirit is fairly evident at the club at the moment along with the obvious lack of a system and a manager who thinks he's constantly in the right when 39,000 people are pulling there hair out at his starting line ups and decisions.
 
I'd have any one of Unsworth, Dyche, Marco Silva or Jorge Sampaoli when Argentina fail to qualify for the world cup.
In fact, I'd have big Joe Royle back at the moment.
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: BlueForYou on October 04, 2017, 04:00:16 PM
Chas 'n' Dave like to call the tune
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: SANA_DR0 on October 04, 2017, 04:01:32 PM
No shouts for Ferguson?

Dunc 'n' Dave!

Sounds like donuts  in a cheese dipping sauce :S

not sure if thats for everybody. (cheesey donuts)
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: everton1952 on October 04, 2017, 04:42:51 PM
If my choice of Rafa Benitez is unpopular, I will have to choose the kraut across the park.  I forget what he calls his tactics, not blitzkrieg, but something else. All out attack and big holes in the back. Better by far than no attack at all and big holes at the back. Not that I am criticising Ronald. I am sure he is doing his utmost. I am looking forward to the next home game, I always do, even though I may leave in misery again.
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: Hawkandro on October 04, 2017, 06:19:39 PM
Gegenpressing. It's called Gegenpressing.
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: sirblue57 on October 04, 2017, 06:32:27 PM
Gegenpressing. It's called Gegenpressing.
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If my choice of Rafa Benitez is unpopular, I will have to choose the kraut across the park.  I forget what he calls his tactics, not blitzkrieg, but something else. All out attack and big holes in the back. Better by far than no attack at all and big holes at the back. Not that I am criticising Ronald. I am sure he is doing his utmost. I am looking forward to the next home game, I always do, even though I may leave in misery again.

Are you ok? First rafa. Now Koop....wtf?

Have some respect for yourself will ya.
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: bogie on October 04, 2017, 06:51:04 PM
think it will be Unsworth given a go

there are a few that will be out of work in the summer sacked or quitting after the world cup
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: Toddacelli on October 04, 2017, 07:22:31 PM
Surprised no-one has mentioned a certain Blue managing on the South coast yet.

What was Porto Guy's actual name by the way?
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: SteB on October 04, 2017, 07:34:02 PM
Supposed to be a genius but don't the wheels come flying off at most of the clubs he joins?

Yeah they did but when it worked he was fantastic. I realise it would be a gamble but most exciting managerial posts are unless they're the uninspiring, steady the ship type. I just feel we're overdue a bit of fantastic.
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: Hawkandro on October 04, 2017, 07:48:38 PM
Surprised no-one has mentioned a certain Blue managing on the South coast yet.

What was Porto Guy's actual name by the way?

Vitor Pereira.
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: everton1952 on October 04, 2017, 08:55:27 PM
But Rafa is an excellent coach. I bow to no one in the insults I used to write about him in times past. But that is past, and this is now. I would have him as our coach in the event of Koeman leaving. By the way he has not left despite what another thread pretends to claim. As for the kraut chap, well maybe a bit premature, so I will stick with the fat Spanish waiter, ooops old habits die hard. I mean Rafa Benitez.
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: kramer0 on October 04, 2017, 09:34:25 PM
I want [uses derogatory term for that person].
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: Audrey Horne on October 04, 2017, 09:38:33 PM
But Rafa is an excellent coach. I bow to no one in the insults I used to write about him in times past. But that is past, and this is now. I would have him as our coach in the event of Koeman leaving. By the way he has not left despite what another thread pretends to claim. As for the kraut chap, well maybe a bit premature, so I will stick with the fat Spanish waiter, ooops old habits die hard. I mean Rafa Benitez.

What the fuck is wrong with you?
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: Hawkandro on October 04, 2017, 09:41:35 PM
But Rafa is an excellent coach. I bow to no one in the insults I used to write about him in times past. But that is past, and this is now. I would have him as our coach in the event of Koeman leaving. By the way he has not left despite what another thread pretends to claim. As for the kraut chap, well maybe a bit premature, so I will stick with the fat Spanish waiter, ooops old habits die hard. I mean Rafa Benitez.

Alright Brexit, calm down.
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: Realist on October 04, 2017, 09:50:44 PM
The Unsworth shouts are poor, people seem to think being an ex player will have any sort of effect on the squad, it counts for shit nowadays - Shearer at Newcastle springs to mind

We've got a tiny amount of homegrown players, most of the foreign players won't be arsed if Unsworth used to play, we need a good manager, this appointment assuming Koeman goes is going to be critically important to the clubs future
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: Lxxx on October 04, 2017, 10:23:35 PM
Have absolutely no idea who we should go for and not arsed now really. The fun seems to be draining out of supporting Everton over recent years, it's only really history that keeps me involved now although it's good escapism from everyday life. Or used to be.

International breaks always make me feel a bit like this.
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: BlueForYou on October 04, 2017, 10:38:31 PM
Enter Brendan Rodgers - and don't be surprised

Unfinished business on Merseyside



Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: kramer0 on October 04, 2017, 11:08:51 PM
The Unsworth shouts are poor, people seem to think being an ex player will have any sort of effect on the squad, it counts for shit nowadays - Shearer at Newcastle springs to mind

I disagree. If our U23 manager was a complete unknown, or even some miserable ex-Liverpool player, who routinely (1) sent out well-organized sides, (2) motivated his players to perform well, and (3) sent players to the first team who looked totally prepared for the demands of that level, I'd feel the same way about his candidacy for the job (on an interim basis, of course). Shearer had some coaching background but absolutely zero experience with managerial duties and that's one of the many reasons why he tanked. That appointment was pure sentiment and yes, it was stupid. Someone like Duncan Ferguson or Mikel Arteta (who I'm sure is learning a lot from Guardiola, but who is ultimately only an assistant) would be more akin to the Shearer appointment. And even then, neither of those get anywhere close to how unqualified Shearer was.

It's fair enough if you don't care for Unsworth on the basis of inexperience. We only have one dead rubber with the first team, a couple of caretaker spells at Preston, and his U23 work to judge him on. But I still think that he's honing genuine managerial skills at the U23 level and that he would do a good job for the rest of the season while we sort out the larger behind-the-scenes problems at the club.

[It's also worth mentioning that plenty of youth team managers from around Europe have made the step up and have done well in first team management: Thomas Tuchel, Pal Dardai, Julian Nagelsmann, Simone Inzaghi (thanks, @hill135 (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=3741) ). Maybe it's time for some of England's most talented U23 managers to get opportunities in first team management.]
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: TheRam on October 04, 2017, 11:57:51 PM
Enter Brendan Rodgers - and don't be surprised

Unfinished business on Merseyside





If he hadn't been at the shite he'd be a clear front runner
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: brap2 on October 05, 2017, 12:02:15 AM
If he hadn't been at the shite he'd be a clear front runner

Probably Rafa as well to be fair.

Don't know enough about managers tbh. Deffo come around to the Koeman out stuff though. Can't see another way out of the mess.
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: Confucius on October 05, 2017, 12:13:17 AM
What about Hughton?  Done very well with brighton to get them to Prem.
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: TheRam on October 05, 2017, 12:24:55 AM
What about Hughton?  Done very well with brighton to get them to Prem.

Im sorry, are we west Brom?
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: Confucius on October 05, 2017, 12:33:38 AM
Im sorry, are we west Brom?

Not for me either but shouts of Rafa. just curious as to people's thoughts. Right now, I would love to be West Brom tho.
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: Shogun on October 05, 2017, 12:48:55 AM
Some grim shouts here.

Wanting to replace a negative manager with an even more negative manager in Benitez who has failed in every job since Liverpool.
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: benny on October 05, 2017, 01:46:29 AM
Enter Brendan Rodgers - and don't be surprised

Unfinished business on Merseyside




                this is getting worse now
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: wepull on October 05, 2017, 02:02:23 AM
One thing about Unsworth apart from the points already raised would be handling of players. It's one thing managing u-23s and it's a total different ball game managing players with highly inflated egos.

I believe the dynamics is very different when you buy a 50 million player and bench him and players throwing hissy fits when not being played. Controlling the dressing room also comes with experience and that is one thing which I believe goes against Unsworth.
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 05, 2017, 02:13:34 AM
The Unsworth shouts are poor, people seem to think being an ex player will have any sort of effect on the squad, it counts for shit nowadays - Shearer at Newcastle springs to mind

We've got a tiny amount of homegrown players, most of the foreign players won't be arsed if Unsworth used to play, we need a good manager, this appointment assuming Koeman goes is going to be critically important to the clubs future

I couldn't give a fuck if unsworth used to play for us or not. What he's done with the u23s is what people find exciting. Hence there's no yakubu, Ferguson or joe max Moore shouts. There's not even a Stuart Barlow shout
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: Realist on October 05, 2017, 03:11:06 AM
I couldn't give a fuck if unsworth used to play for us or not. What he's done with the u23s is what people find exciting. Hence there's no yakubu, Ferguson or joe max Moore shouts. There's not even a Stuart Barlow shout

Well in that case there's loads more candidates - anyone who's done well with a youth team is in with a shout then?
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: bogie on October 05, 2017, 04:06:38 AM
The Unsworth shouts are poor, people seem to think being an ex player will have any sort of effect on the squad, it counts for shit nowadays - Shearer at Newcastle springs to mind

We've got a tiny amount of homegrown players, most of the foreign players won't be arsed if Unsworth used to play, we need a good manager, this appointment assuming Koeman goes is going to be critically important to the clubs future

Shearer and done nothing at any lvl Unsworth has and not one member in here is saying give him the job and be done with it , let him take the job now as we look and see how he goes at it even if he goes well but a top manager is and would come then alls good as Unsworth get a few more games under the belt

one thing I would add is that big dunk gets to take over the under 23,s he has been sitting there as 1st team coach with what is looking like 2 fails time to see if he has it or not

Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 05, 2017, 04:25:01 AM
Well in that case there's loads more candidates - anyone who's done well with a youth team is in with a shout then?

Possibly though most of us haven't seen that first hand.
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: BlueMaquis on October 05, 2017, 04:55:55 AM
It's time for us to learn from our mistakes and go with a results-based appointment. We've tried the "promising up and coming manager" in Martinez and we've tried the "champion player so must be a good manager" approach in Koeman. Neither worked. The only relevant questions should now be "What have you won? What have you achieved?" Cups don't count - any team in football can go on a lucky run.
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 05, 2017, 05:16:07 AM
It's time for us to learn from our mistakes and go with a results-based appointment. We've tried the "promising up and coming manager" in Martinez and we've tried the "champion player so must be a good manager" approach in Koeman. Neither worked. The only relevant questions should now be "What have you won? What have you achieved?" Cups don't count - any team in football can go on a lucky run.

Brendon Rodgers then? Or ranieri??

I do think this is nonsense. What have they won has to be considered against other factors. Barcelona have had a poor manager win the treble
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: brap2 on October 05, 2017, 05:34:44 AM
Fuck it if Unsworth gets a chance he gets a chance, and I'm very glad we're doing well at U23, but we are spending a lot of money there and we are currently enjoying our so called 'golden generation'  - I mean, how many u23 teams have a £6m cb?

For me I just don't think he's done enough in his career so far and Realist makes a good point - ok if unsworth has nothing at all to do with the fact he's an ex player and a sound fella, I assume you'd all be fine hiring some random U23 manager from somewhere else? Would you fuck.

but that's fine I get it, unsworth is someone the club should be quite proud of, I know I am - I'd just rather a manager who has experience and pedigree, but if it worked it would be a phenomenal story.
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 05, 2017, 06:02:04 AM
Fuck it if Unsworth gets a chance he gets a chance, and I'm very glad we're doing well at U23, but we are spending a lot of money there and we are currently enjoying our so called 'golden generation'  - I mean, how many u23 teams have a £6m cb?

For me I just don't think he's done enough in his career so far and Realist makes a good point - ok if unsworth has nothing at all to do with the fact he's an ex player and a sound fella, I assume you'd all be fine hiring some random U23 manager from somewhere else? Would you fuck.

but that's fine I get it, unsworth is someone the club should be quite proud of, I know I am - I'd just rather a manager who has experience and pedigree, but if it worked it would be a phenomenal story.

I'd happily take a different inexperienced manager if they believe he's potentially great.

The difference is with a random u23s manager from elsewhere is that our fan base would be infinitely less familiar with his work and hence less keen.

He's actually the candidate we probably as fans know most about. Think it's that much more than him being an ex player
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: Jamokachi on October 05, 2017, 06:10:15 AM
Not for me either but shouts of Rafa.

Look at Rafa's CV. He may be at Newcastle, and he may have been in the Championship last season but he has undeniable pedigree. He's won things everywhere he's been. I'd happily see him as our manager.
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: Rhys on October 05, 2017, 06:32:26 AM
Look at Rafa's CV. He may be at Newcastle, and he may have been in the Championship last season but he has undeniable pedigree. He's won things everywhere he's been. I'd happily see him as our manager.

CV is very good. However he has only won the EL with Chelsea and Italian cup with Napoli in the last 11 years despite managing clubs expecting to win trophies for nearly all that time, until Newcastle... so you could argue he has had his peak as a manager.
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: Shogun on October 05, 2017, 06:55:07 AM
Look at Rafa's CV. He may be at Newcastle, and he may have been in the Championship last season but he has undeniable pedigree. He's won things everywhere he's been. I'd happily see him as our manager.

Isn't our aim to break the top 6?

Benitez got sacked after six months at Inter.
He came to Chelsea with them four points off the title, they ended up 14 points (around that figure) off the title.
He took over Napoli after them finishing 2nd. In his two seasons, they finished 3rd and then 5th.
He was hilariously out of his depth at Real Madrid.
He failed to beat Sunderland, Norwich and Aston Villa in his months at Newcastle and got them relegated.

That's without going into the gross amount of money he spent at those clubs and the dire football to go with it.
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: Jamokachi on October 05, 2017, 07:03:02 AM
Fair points from you guys @Rhys (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=366) and @Shogun (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=1108) ... I think I should clarify my position. I don't want us to go after Benitez if Koeman is given the boot, it was more of a comparison to Hughton. I would happily see him as our manager over Koeman at this point in time given his pedigree, but that's not to say I'd advocate us making a move when there are better options available.

I jumped on the Unsworth train a while ago anyway  :smug:
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: Juanito on October 05, 2017, 07:13:20 AM
A lot of managers seem out of our depth but they earn a lot less than 6 million a year across the continent, so we should perhaps be a little more ambitious that shouts of Dyche and Benitez
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: Ramjam on October 05, 2017, 07:14:44 AM
Let’s go and test spurs resolve and double Pochettinos wages to come here, that might be enough to tempt him. I think he is easily the best manager in the prem, looks like his Spurs team will be breaking up after this season anyway with Real interested in Kane and the Arabic meat counter Dele Alli
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: Jamokachi on October 05, 2017, 07:17:39 AM
Let’s go and test spurs resolve and double Pochettinos wages to come here, that might be enough to tempt him. I think he is easily the best manager in the prem, looks like his Spurs team will be breaking up after this season anyway with Real interested in Kane and the Arabic meat counter Dele Alli

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Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: BlueMaquis on October 05, 2017, 07:41:59 AM
Brendon Rodgers then? Or ranieri??

I do think this is nonsense. What have they won has to be considered against other factors. Barcelona have had a poor manager win the treble

That goes without saying. I'm not suggesting appointing the local under 16 girls coach because he won them the league.

Wasn't aware Brendan Rodgers had won anything significant, to be honest.
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: Ramjam on October 05, 2017, 09:13:06 AM
That goes without saying. I'm not suggesting appointing the local under 16 girls coach because he won them the league.

Wasn't aware Brendan Rodgers had won anything significant, to be honest.

Won the treble at Celtic last season
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: BlueMaquis on October 05, 2017, 09:16:47 AM
Won the treble at Celtic last season

Wasn't aware Brendan Rodgers had won anything significant, to be honest.
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: Ramjam on October 05, 2017, 09:45:04 AM
Wasn't aware Brendan Rodgers had won anything significant, to be honest.

Ok it’s not the worlds greatest league but that was quite an achievement as well as being unbeaten domestically for 18 months
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: Audrey Horne on October 05, 2017, 11:25:57 AM
Let’s go and test spurs resolve and double Pochettinos wages to come here, that might be enough to tempt him. I think he is easily the best manager in the prem, looks like his Spurs team will be breaking up after this season anyway with Real interested in Kane and the Arabic meat counter Dele Alli

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Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: TheRam on October 05, 2017, 01:58:30 PM
Gone a bit mad in here
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: Waltzer on October 05, 2017, 02:13:57 PM
Ok it’s not the worlds greatest league but that was quite an achievement as well as being unbeaten domestically for 18 months

Celitic are the only club in thse competitions so its not that great is it. Id be gutted if Rodgers even got considered
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: plumber on October 05, 2017, 02:52:33 PM
This thread is a good evidence that Koeman shouldn't be sacked.
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: BlueForYou on October 05, 2017, 03:52:23 PM
Which three current PL managers would be your choice if Colonel Koeman leaves?

Realistically, I guess you can eliminate Guardiola, Mourinho, Conte, Pochettino, Wenger and Klopp

On the other hand, you can include any of the present national mangers from England, Scotland, Wales, Northern and Republic of Ireland, plus any manager from the lower leagues, including Scotland

1) Rodgers
2) Bilic
3) Silva

What do I want? Koeman to see out his contract
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: Mayor Farnum on October 05, 2017, 04:19:42 PM
I disagree. If our U23 manager was a complete unknown, or even some miserable ex-Liverpool player, who routinely (1) sent out well-organized sides, (2) motivated his players to perform well, and (3) sent players to the first team who looked totally prepared for the demands of that level, I'd feel the same way about his candidacy for the job (on an interim basis, of course). Shearer had some coaching background but absolutely zero experience with managerial duties and that's one of the many reasons why he tanked. That appointment was pure sentiment and yes, it was stupid. Someone like Duncan Ferguson or Mikel Arteta (who I'm sure is learning a lot from Guardiola, but who is ultimately only an assistant) would be more akin to the Shearer appointment. And even then, neither of those get anywhere close to how unqualified Shearer was.

It's fair enough if you don't care for Unsworth on the basis of inexperience. We only have one dead rubber with the first team, a couple of caretaker spells at Preston, and his U23 work to judge him on. But I still think that he's honing genuine managerial skills at the U23 level and that he would do a good job for the rest of the season while we sort out the larger behind-the-scenes problems at the club.

[It's also worth mentioning that plenty of youth team managers from around Europe have made the step up and have done well in first team management: Thomas Tuchel, Pal Dardai, Julian Nagelsmann, Simone Inzaghi (thanks, @hill135 (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=3741) ). Maybe it's time for some of England's most talented U23 managers to get opportunities in first team management.]

So Tim Sherwood it is then.
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: Paddockoldie on October 05, 2017, 04:23:51 PM
Let’s go and test spurs resolve and double Pochettinos wages to come here, that might be enough to tempt him. I think he is easily the best manager in the prem, looks like his Spurs team will be breaking up after this season anyway with Real interested in Kane and the Arabic meat counter Dele Alli

The equivalent of dating Megan Fox, dumping her and asking Bella Emberg out because she's agreed to anal.
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: BlueForYou on October 05, 2017, 04:25:23 PM
And if it's a significant trophy winner you want, we had Martinez - unless the FA Cup doesn't count



Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: everton1952 on October 05, 2017, 04:53:39 PM
It is a bit mad on here as someone said. Pochettino would die laughing at an offer to go backwards 4 or 5 years and join us. I still reckon (given this is a bit of a mad thread) Rafa Benitez would be a good coach here.
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: Lxxx on October 05, 2017, 06:04:45 PM
Rafa Bentiez and his regular hissy fits in the media, his spoilt kid approach to managing a football club and his quite obvious love for them over the park should be enough to discount him from any discussion,
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: Realist on October 05, 2017, 06:12:36 PM
Possibly though most of us haven't seen that first hand.

Nonsense
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: Hawkandro on October 05, 2017, 06:14:11 PM
So Tim Sherwood it is then.

Bollocks! He'll be the new Director of Football.
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: Django on October 05, 2017, 06:25:21 PM
It's a tough question and a reason to keep hold of Koeman to see what's available in the future. Unsworth would undoubtedly produce and initial spike in results but it remains to be seen if he could actually manage fully fledged established players.

I've began to think there's something a bit rotten at the core of Everton the way we keep producing these diabolical performances - tactics aside the players just don't seem assed at all.

If we were to replace anyone my realistic choice would be Tuchel or perhaps Nagelsmann.

Someone young with fresh ideas and a fresh approach.
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: Realist on October 05, 2017, 06:33:13 PM
Let’s go and test spurs resolve and double Pochettinos wages to come here, that might be enough to tempt him. I think he is easily the best manager in the prem, looks like his Spurs team will be breaking up after this season anyway with Real interested in Kane and the Arabic meat counter Dele Alli

What planet are you on mate? No offence but there's not a chance on earth
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: Bluenose 91 on October 05, 2017, 06:46:55 PM
I'd be ok with Unsworth until the end of the season to see what he can do.

You're not really going to be able to make a good long term managerial appointment halfway through a season anyway.
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: mikey_blue on October 05, 2017, 06:47:49 PM
Let’s go and test spurs resolve and double Pochettinos wages to come here, that might be enough to tempt him. I think he is easily the best manager in the prem, looks like his Spurs team will be breaking up after this season anyway with Real interested in Kane and the Arabic meat counter Dele Alli

If he does anything of note with Spurs this year, then he will be off to PSG. He was a player there, and has always said that it would be a dream to go there.
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: Ramjam on October 05, 2017, 06:51:01 PM
What planet are you on mate? No offence but there's not a chance on earth

Money usually sways most of these players and managers, it’s happened before and will happen again
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: Lxxx on October 05, 2017, 06:58:06 PM
Money usually sways most of these players and managers, it’s happened before and will happen again
Give it a rest.
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: Paddockoldie on October 05, 2017, 07:01:52 PM
What you also have to consider with a manager like Tuchel etc is that the European game is very different to here. Look at Klassen? Raved about at Ajax but struggling  here. You can give a player time to adapt but not managers... hence the problem we have. Koeman needs to change rather than us change the manager on a knee jerk. Kendal nearly got the sack and look what happened then... not saying that will happen now but the point is that change should be to improve not take another gamble.
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: Escla on October 05, 2017, 07:15:45 PM
Money usually sways most of these players and managers, it’s happened before and will happen again

He has a great squad, great stadium next year, is on £5.5 million a year, contract untill 2021 and lives in London like most foreign managers (and players) prefer, so how much do we need to offer him to come here ? At least £10 to 15 million to buy his contract out for starters.
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: Toddacelli on October 05, 2017, 07:21:17 PM
It's time for us to learn from our mistakes and go with a results-based appointment. We've tried the "promising up and coming manager" in Martinez and we've tried the "champion player so must be a good manager" approach in Koeman. Neither worked. The only relevant questions should now be "What have you won? What have you achieved?" Cups don't count - any team in football can go on a lucky run.

Agree.

This was why I was keen on Pellegrini when we were linked.

Was he the most inspiring choice? No.

But at least he had first hand experience of what it would take to win the prem
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: Toddacelli on October 05, 2017, 07:24:10 PM
Won the treble at Celtic last season

Really? Wow!

How come the media haven't made more of this? Plucky little Celtic winning the treble eh?
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: BlueForYou on October 05, 2017, 07:27:05 PM
See how they fair in the Champions League - should make the Europa



Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: Waltzer on October 05, 2017, 07:36:13 PM
Agree.

This was why I was keen on Pellegrini when we were linked.

Was he the most inspiring choice? No.

But at least he had first hand experience of what it would take to win the prem

He bought the league had unlimited resources and still managed to finish 5th in his last term. Appreciate they'd confirmed Pep was arriving but you'd have thought that would make the players want to impress more?
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 05, 2017, 08:02:24 PM
Nonsense

What's nonsense. That there might be better options than unsworth in youth football most of which we are unaware of? Which part is nonsense.
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 05, 2017, 08:04:49 PM
Agree.

This was why I was keen on Pellegrini when we were linked.

Was he the most inspiring choice? No.

But at least he had first hand experience of what it would take to win the prem

Half a billion pounds. How is that helpful
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: Waltzer on October 05, 2017, 08:17:04 PM
I'd be ok with Unsworth until the end of the season to see what he can do.

You're not really going to be able to make a good long term managerial appointment halfway through a season anyway.

Why would Unsworth be a good appointment? The fact is if were talking about sacking a manager its because something is going drastically wrong so why would you want to appoint a manager with no experience dealing in that environment? Newcastle did it with Shearer expecting that big uplift in fortune and got relegated.
If we were to sack Koeman and the only option was a short term until the end of the season id prefer Big Sam (await abuse) over Unsworth as at least you know what you're getting. BTW I want Big Sam about as much as i want a kick in the nuts but if it was him or Unsworth I no who id go for.
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: Bluenose 91 on October 05, 2017, 08:25:23 PM
Why would Unsworth be a good appointment? The fact is if were talking about sacking a manager its because something is going drastically wrong so why would you want to appoint a manager with no experience dealing in that environment? Newcastle did it with Shearer expecting that big uplift in fortune and got relegated.
If we were to sack Koeman and the only option was a short term until the end of the season id prefer Big Sam (await abuse) over Unsworth as at least you know what you're getting. BTW I want Big Sam about as much as i want a kick in the nuts but if it was him or Unsworth I no who id go for.


Think he'd be alright as a stop gap. Knows the players and club so it's an easy transition at a difficult time.

Obviously long term we should be going for someone more established and ambitious.
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: BlueMaquis on October 05, 2017, 08:27:40 PM
Half a billion pounds. How is that helpful

So 4 of our transfer windows? That would be brilliant if he could do that for us. The pundits seem to think it would take a lot more.
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: Waltzer on October 05, 2017, 08:28:50 PM

Think he'd be alright as a stop gap. Knows the players and club so it's an easy transition at a difficult time.

Obviously long term we should be going for someone more established and ambitious.

Dunno, sometimes it makes it harder to transition from being mates to managing the team.
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: Waltzer on October 05, 2017, 08:33:31 PM
So 4 of our transfer windows? That would be brilliant if he could do that for us. The pundits seem to think it would take a lot more.

Not quite, City weren't in the habit of selling their best and most prize'd assets as we are. And I think the 500 million was probably Net unlike ours which is probably not even 100 in the last 4 windows.
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: Mayor Farnum on October 05, 2017, 08:37:50 PM

Think he'd be alright as a stop gap. Knows the players and club so it's an easy transition at a difficult time.

Obviously long term we should be going for someone more established and ambitious.

And waste a couple of transfer windows in the mean time.

Unsworth, like most managers, will realistically achieve seventh. So at the end of the season you have no real cause to sack him but there would still be the uncertainty of whether to trust him in the transfer market.
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 05, 2017, 08:38:36 PM
So 4 of our transfer windows? That would be brilliant if he could do that for us. The pundits seem to think it would take a lot more.

The market has doubled since then. He isn't going to do the same here unless you give him the biggest budget for players and wages. Neither of which we have
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: Mayor Farnum on October 05, 2017, 08:41:36 PM
Why would Unsworth be a good appointment? The fact is if were talking about sacking a manager its because something is going drastically wrong so why would you want to appoint a manager with no experience dealing in that environment? Newcastle did it with Shearer expecting that big uplift in fortune and got relegated.
If we were to sack Koeman and the only option was a short term until the end of the season id prefer Big Sam (await abuse) over Unsworth as at least you know what you're getting. BTW I want Big Sam about as much as i want a kick in the nuts but if it was him or Unsworth I no who id go for.

I actually think Big Sam is a good shout. I would go a step further and give him a proper contract and let him manage. He produces what we need most of all; a winning team. Evertonians, whatever they like to imagine, would not give a shit about style of play.   
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: Major Clanger on October 05, 2017, 08:42:08 PM
Newcastle did it with Shearer expecting that big uplift in fortune and got relegated.

I'm not saying we should go for Unsworth or not, but that comparison is wrong on so many levels that it hurts.

Newcastle were all but relegated when they appointed Shearer, who had never managed a team at any age group or level, had no coaching qualifications, and had no knowledge of the club or the players.

Why not bring up Guardiola or Tuchel as examples, both fully qualified coaches promoted from within the club's youth setup with zero senior experience and did alright. You can also cite cases where it went wrong like Ricky Sbragia, but the Shearer comparison is just lazy and invalid.

(Though if the alternative is Sam Fucking Allardyce, we might as well not bother and leave Koeman do his thing.)
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: Realist on October 05, 2017, 08:56:06 PM
What's nonsense. That there might be better options than unsworth in youth football most of which we are unaware of? Which part is nonsense.

Yes, just about all of it. Why are we going to consider anyone who's done well with a youth team?
Do you not understand that there's a difference between coaching kids & a full team?
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: Waltzer on October 05, 2017, 08:56:34 PM
I'm not saying we should go for Unsworth or not, but that comparison is wrong on so many levels that it hurts.

Newcastle were all but relegated when they appointed Shearer, who had never managed a team at any age group or level, had no coaching qualifications, and had no knowledge of the club or the players.

Why not bring up Guardiola or Tuchel as examples, both fully qualified coaches promoted from within the club's youth setup with zero senior experience and did alright. You can also cite cases where it went wrong like Ricky Sbragia, but the Shearer comparison is just lazy and invalid.

(Though if the alternative is Sam Fucking Allardyce, we might as well not bother and leave Koeman do his thing.)

Newcastle werent all but relegated, they were 2 points of 17th place but yes I get your point about qualifications.

Guardiola or Tuchel both went into teams on the up not the decline which would be our situation. And Tuchel had plenty of experience managing at lower levels both in youth and first team football didnt he?
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 05, 2017, 09:02:19 PM
Yes, just about all of it. Why are we going to consider anyone who's done well with a youth team?
Do you not understand that there's a difference between coaching kids & a full team?


Do you understand what I even said? You seem to have either quoted the wrong post or simply not understood English.
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: Realist on October 05, 2017, 09:10:11 PM
Do you understand what I even said? You seem to have either quoted the wrong post or simply not understood English.

Yes I understood it perfectly clearly and responded perfectly clearly. You asked what was nonsense and I told you.
I've tried to requote the conversation but it won't let me, go have a read back cos I have and it made perfect sense really
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: Major Clanger on October 05, 2017, 09:11:52 PM
Newcastle werent all but relegated, they were 2 points of 17th place but yes I get your point about qualifications.

Guardiola or Tuchel both went into teams on the up not the decline which would be our situation. And Tuchel had plenty of experience managing at lower levels both in youth and first team football didnt he?

Newcastle were doomed, yes mathematically they were close but they were completely demoralised and hopeless and clearly going down. They brought in Shearer in a desperate last bid to rally the troops and raise morale. It was an idiotic idea.

And no, Tuchel only was reserve coach before going to Mainz. There's Pál Dárdai too, who did take over a team truly in decline and that worked out too. As I said, there are plenty of examples where it didn't, it happens. And I'd argue that we aren't in decline at all, we're in the doldrums: we've got enough money to do better, we've got the players to do better, we're just bereft of organisation, ideas and inspiration.

Again, I'm not saying Unsworth is the answer, I just think people place far too much emphasis on this mythical "first team management experience" (as if saving Arseofnowhere Town from relegation into the Fray Bentos League gave any kind of transferable skills to managing a Premier League Club trying to break into the top six/five/four whatever)  and far too little on knowing the team inside out and having a clear idea what to do with them.
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 05, 2017, 09:15:53 PM
Yes I understood it perfectly clearly and responded perfectly clearly. You asked what was nonsense and I told you.
I've tried to require the whole conversation but it won't let me, go have a read back cos I have and it made perfect sense really

The post you quoted and said was nonsense was 1 stating unsworth was a youth team manager we are most familiar with and that yes there could be better managers in your football. Which of the 2 points are nonsense. Are we Everton fans more familiar with other youth team managers? Is unsworth the worlds best youth team manager for certain. Which of them things are you stating.
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: Realist on October 05, 2017, 09:36:00 PM
The post you quoted and said was nonsense was 1 stating unsworth was a youth team manager we are most familiar with and that yes there could be better managers in your football. Which of the 2 points are nonsense. Are we Everton fans more familiar with other youth team managers? Is unsworth the worlds best youth team manager for certain. Which of them things are you stating.

The whole thing is nonsense, like I said why do you think a youth team coach would be able to fix the mess we're in?
Again do you not think there's a difference between looking good as a manager when you have a team of kids vs managing full pro's and a premier league side with zero experience??
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 05, 2017, 09:40:07 PM
The whole thing is nonsense, like I said why do you think a youth team coach would be able to fix the mess we're in?
Again do you not think there's a difference between looking good as a manager when you have a team of kids vs managing full pro's and a premier league side with zero experience??


It's nonsense to suggest promoting from within? Maybe Barca should have let guardiola go elsewhere? Surely it's a case by case basis and if the people in charge think they have a special talent then you promote them? Surely a 1 size fits all policy is nonsense?
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: Bob Sacamano on October 05, 2017, 09:44:53 PM
Such a depressing thread.
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: Realist on October 05, 2017, 09:49:28 PM

It's nonsense to suggest promoting from within? Maybe Barca should have let guardiola go elsewhere? Surely it's a case by case basis and if the people in charge think they have a special talent then you promote them? Surely a 1 size fits all policy is nonsense?

Yes it's nonsense in my eyes in our current state, Unsworth isn't a gamble we can really afford right now is he?
Barcelona & Everton are different entities. The Guardiola example is easy to use. We don't have anything like what Barca had to offer Guardiola. Barca were not in a mess like we are either.
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: TheRam on October 05, 2017, 10:00:16 PM
Jib it you two.
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: Realist on October 05, 2017, 10:12:05 PM
Jib it you two.

Why? We're not having a slanging match or even a heated debate, I don't really see the problem we're just having a back & forth debate in which we have differing opinions
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: Toddacelli on October 05, 2017, 10:28:57 PM
He bought the league had unlimited resources and still managed to finish 5th in his last term. Appreciate they'd confirmed Pep was arriving but you'd have thought that would make the players want to impress more?


Half a billion pounds. How is that helpful


You're either missing the point or I didn't put it across well enough.

To clarify -

Of the managers that we were seriously linked to at that time - I wanted the only one who had won the Premier League (and recently).

I am fed up of 'triers' - I want a 'tried and tested'.

It should not be too much to ask with out current and immediate future prospects.
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: Paddockoldie on October 05, 2017, 10:50:29 PM
Yes it's nonsense in my eyes in our current state, Unsworth isn't a gamble we can really afford right now is he?
Barcelona & Everton are different entities. The Guardiola example is easy to use. We don't have anything like what Barca had to offer Guardiola. Barca were not in a mess like we are either.

Liverpool has the famous boot room and many times promoted from within. Paisley, Fagan didn't manage outside the club before getting the job unless I'm mistaken. I appreciate football's changed alot since those days but if you come from within the club, you know it, have support from within it and if you played for the club, you've got the passion. Just thought I'd mention it.
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on October 05, 2017, 10:56:44 PM
Not opposed to the Unsworth shouts. He’d either do great or have a mare though. It’s different dealing with u23s who want to do well and impress the manager - to managing millionaires who act like they’re doing you a favour just turning up for training.
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: Major Clanger on October 05, 2017, 11:04:40 PM
Not opposed to the Unsworth shouts. He’d either do great or have a mare though. It’s different dealing with u23s who want to do well and impress the manager - to managing millionaires who act like they’re doing you a favour just turning up for training.

It is different, but it's not like starting to learn ski jumping straight on the big slope. If you can manage people, you will quickly find a way to deal with new situations.
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: Paddockoldie on October 06, 2017, 12:04:05 AM
Not opposed to the Unsworth shouts. He’d either do great or have a mare though. It’s different dealing with u23s who want to do well and impress the manager - to managing millionaires who act like they’re doing you a favour just turning up for training.

There is that but Unsworth's been in the dressing room as a player so wouldn't be new to the ego's. If you look at several prem managers who didn't do much as players can still get the best out of theirs...
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: Realist on October 06, 2017, 12:10:54 AM
Liverpool has the famous boot room and many times promoted from within. Paisley, Fagan didn't manage outside the club before getting the job unless I'm mistaken. I appreciate football's changed alot since those days but if you come from within the club, you know it, have support from within it and if you played for the club, you've got the passion. Just thought I'd mention it.

I think it takes more than passion nowadays to succeed in the premiership
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 06, 2017, 12:29:44 AM


You're either missing the point or I didn't put it across well enough.

To clarify -

Of the managers that we were seriously linked to at that time - I wanted the only one who had won the Premier League (and recently).

I am fed up of 'triers' - I want a 'tried and tested'.

It should not be too much to ask with out current and immediate future prospects.

He's tried and tested with half a billion pounds worth of talent. I don't even understand how you think that would transfer to us
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 06, 2017, 12:33:59 AM
Such a depressing thread.

appropriate for an International Break week
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: bacon sarnie on October 06, 2017, 12:35:16 AM
I think it takes more than passion nowadays to succeed in the premiership

That was before the EPL when men were men and sheep were nervous.
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: Waltzer on October 06, 2017, 01:16:41 PM


You're either missing the point or I didn't put it across well enough.

To clarify -

Of the managers that we were seriously linked to at that time - I wanted the only one who had won the Premier League (and recently).

I am fed up of 'triers' - I want a 'tried and tested'.

It should not be too much to ask with out current and immediate future prospects.

I get that but just because they won the league it doesnt mean they're a good manager. Ranieri is probably available but no way would I want him. I wanted Pellegrini before he went to City as he was immense at Villareal but towards the end at City he looked like a beat man and I dont think he'd of done that well tbh
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: Escla on October 06, 2017, 02:43:28 PM
Martin O'Neill
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: Mayor Farnum on October 06, 2017, 03:02:44 PM
Martin O'Neill

Sometimes threads just come to their natural conclusion and at that point they're best left to die.
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: Escla on October 06, 2017, 03:07:58 PM
I am of course talking about the Martin O'Neil who has worked miracles with that Northern Ireland squad.
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: Jamokachi on October 06, 2017, 03:19:50 PM
I am of course talking about the Martin O'Neil who has worked miracles with that Northern Ireland squad.


International football is a load of shite these days though.
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: Mayor Farnum on October 06, 2017, 03:22:28 PM
I am of course talking about the Martin O'Neil who has worked miracles with that Northern Ireland squad.


I really do think that at times we Evertonians get what we deserve.
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: BlueForYou on October 06, 2017, 03:29:52 PM
Taking the Michael - anyone like a drink?
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: Sir Stealth on October 06, 2017, 03:54:53 PM
I am of course talking about the Martin O'Neil who has worked miracles with that Northern Ireland squad.


Michael O'Neill, Northern Ireland manager

Not to be confused with Martin O'Neill, Republic Of Ireland manager

Not sure how he's done in club management, but he's clearly done well with limited quality for that Northern Ireland team. Seems that he would be a good fit for a relegation threatened team trying to become a mid table team

However we are a mid table team trying to become a top level team, not sure if he's the man for that task
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: BlueForYou on October 06, 2017, 04:19:24 PM
Not sure if he has the right influence to drive us
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: TheRam on October 06, 2017, 04:32:36 PM
Let's just list everyone who's doing a decent job.
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: BlueForYou on October 06, 2017, 04:40:54 PM
That included the man we've got

Martinez experienced relegation, as has Dyche, Silva, Benitez and who knows, maybe this season, Howe (and/or Koeman, of course)
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: Sir Stealth on October 06, 2017, 05:00:34 PM
Whichever manager comes in, or if Koeman continues, they haven't got an easy task ahead of them

It's taking a once great side with high expectations who haven't done anything of note at the top end of the table for 30 years

No obvious choice for a manager to take us forward

Who has experience of taking a sleeping giant back to the top?

The most stellar name available is probably Carlo Ancellotti. Great CV, he's managed some top teams

Has he got experience with a mid table side though and Turning them into a great side again?

I think most of his experience is rocking up at sides who are expected to be competing for the league and keeping them at that level and winning trophies. He's managed Bayern, Milan, Chelsea, PSG, Juve all at the top end

No guarantee that he would be the right man to look after this bunch of losers!

Thomas Tuchel is another manager who would appear to be well regarded and in demand. By all accounts he has done well with Augsburg, Mainz and Dortmund and Bayern are being linked with him to be their next permanent manager. Can he cut it in England?is he out of reach for us?

Other end of the spectrum the likes of Sean Dyche, Eddie Howe have done well with small clubs with low expectations. Are they worth taking a risk on to see if they can cut it at a higher level?

And then we have the likes of Marco Silva, seemed to improve Hull a lot in a short space of time and is now doing a great job at Watford having had success in Portugal. He's young and seems to be adapting well to managing in england. Personally I would like Silva to be given a chance
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: hill135 on October 06, 2017, 05:02:45 PM
Tuchel, Naglesman or Marco Silva.

Don't reckon we'll bin him though
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: Lxxx on October 06, 2017, 05:53:58 PM
I'd hate Unsy to be given it if only for the fear he might not do well and ruin his promising reputation.

Whoever the next guy is I feel he does need to 'get' Everton. Moyes did and got cut a lot of slack for it. Martinez only lasted as long as he did as he looked as if he genuinely loved his job and the club. We're not a London club with a diverse fanbase, we're not a corporate club with a large amount of plastic fans like the shite and Man U, we're still in the main a pretty working class club with fans who reflect those values.

I know there are plenty of examples of managers at clubs who don't profess their love and do very well but Evertonians are a weird bunch and if we can relate to the man and can see he's doing and saying things we agree with then we give them more of a chance.
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: Bluedylan on October 06, 2017, 08:35:44 PM
Our previous manager got us, but was pretty much incompetent and negligent, our current manager doesn't get us and seems to be veering towards incompetence.

I just think we need to appoint a better manager next time, whether he gets us or not.
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: Macca77 on October 06, 2017, 08:56:16 PM
Marco Silv - however we would have to fork out millions to Watford to get him

Ancelotti - massive statement if we managed to persuade him to come here, his name alone would attract better players

Tuchel - young hungry manager, a lot of clubs would be sniffing around him, might come here but would probably be off if one of the bigger boys came after him
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: Mayor Farnum on October 06, 2017, 09:06:53 PM
Our previous manager got us, but was pretty much incompetent and negligent, our current manager doesn't get us and seems to be veering towards incompetence.

I just think we need to appoint a better manager next time, whether he gets us or not.

If you were to sit down with Koeman and explain us to him what would you say?
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: Bluedylan on October 06, 2017, 09:27:32 PM
If you were to sit down with Koeman and explain us to him what would you say?

A lot of what has been said. Traditionally working class fanbase, lots of historical success and as such a belief that we should be near the top of the English game (not dissimilar to Valencia in that regard), fans respond to high energy performances, sections of the fanbase love passing football, others prefer more agricultural means. We're a heavily community based club. The obvious stuff really.
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: everton1952 on October 06, 2017, 09:32:28 PM
We are upset fans, some of whom pay to watch Everton and expect a better style of football. Some of us want you gone, others do not, and there is no way this can be accurately quantified. In other words, we are not representative of the majority of the 35000 fans who have committed to attend all the home matches, in a similar way that irate callers on post match phone ins are representative. In other words it does not matter a fuck to you what we think or say really, but the views of the 35000 who do attend do matter, because their only method of expressing their feelings is their contribution to the match atmosphere, supportive, silent or verbally hostile. That is what the board of directors will take note of. At the moment I would say you are on  a losing streak with the crowd. Fix it if you can or the owner will fix it for you. Good luck.
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: D15TIN on October 11, 2017, 12:52:46 AM
Id honestly give Unsworth a go. He knows the players- especially those coming from the U23s, he'd have the backing of supporters, as people have said he 'gets everton' he'd know how to get the crowd behind them.
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: penguinofdoom1878 on October 13, 2017, 03:47:51 AM
Marco Silv - however we would have to fork out millions to Watford to get him

Ancelotti - massive statement if we managed to persuade him to come here, his name alone would attract better players

Tuchel - young hungry manager, a lot of clubs would be sniffing around him, might come here but would probably be off if one of the bigger boys came after him

Tuchel is probably off to Chelsea in the summer, Conte wants to return home.
Ancelotti would be a great appointment, even though he upset the Bayern team.

I wouldnt be upset at Rafa though
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: Silas on October 13, 2017, 03:54:09 AM
I honestly can't understand the Benitez thing. He's still hugely involved in all things Liverpool and always will be. I don't hate the guy but do I fuck want him to be Everton manager.
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: everton1952 on October 13, 2017, 05:00:22 PM
We have never been the same since Moyes left. We have a lot of "little" players so maybe the recently sacked Scots manager who did quite well with a team of wee little men, could be in the frame? (I wanted to use the word "dwarfs" but was afraid the PC brigade might get at me).
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: brap2 on October 13, 2017, 05:28:58 PM
God this place is a hellhole.
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: Ross on October 13, 2017, 06:19:22 PM
Has there ever been a more dislikable shite manager than Benitez?
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: Mayor Farnum on October 13, 2017, 07:44:19 PM
Has there ever been a more dislikable shite manager than Benitez?

This latest bloke.
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: Ross on October 13, 2017, 07:56:05 PM
This latest bloke.

No he’s harmless.

I’d say he’s more likeable than Koeman, which obviously hurts.
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: Bluenose 91 on October 13, 2017, 09:26:23 PM
Bad shout that like.

Klopp is the worst they've had for a while.
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: brap2 on October 13, 2017, 09:53:25 PM
Despise kloppo
Title: Re: Who do you want?
Post by: TheRam on October 13, 2017, 10:19:00 PM
Said it when they got him, he's absolutely perfect for that club.