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Title: Is Pickford one of the issues?
Post by: Bigjmill on October 04, 2017, 02:32:51 AM
I can imagine this will raise a few eyebrows but I feel I am noticing something that's happened in the team that is making things more and more negative.

The amount of times our defenders and midfielders pass back to Pickford is driving me insane when I am at the match. The fact is, he is an amazing kicker and if we had a target man or a speed merchant to chase on like Vardy, then I can understand it's use.

I just feel it's become an easy kopout for the team to not pass forward even more so. Koeman should tell the team to avoid the tactic.

Just to add, his kicking hasn't been as good lately either other than the odd one.
Title: Re: Is Pickford one of this issues?
Post by: Audrey Horne on October 04, 2017, 02:36:16 AM
no he isnt one of the issues...
Title: Re: Is Pickford one of the issues?
Post by: Cozzie on October 04, 2017, 02:39:53 AM
I can see your point.

We dont have the players to utilise or make the most of his kicking ability.

But that's not strictly his fault.

Defoe benefitted from it at sunderland on more than one occassion.

Poor recruitment is the issue.
Title: Re: Is Pickford one of the issues?
Post by: Bigjmill on October 04, 2017, 02:44:56 AM
I can see your point.

We dont have the players to utilise or make the most of his kicking ability.

But that's not strictly his fault.

Defoe benefitted from it at sunderland on more than one occassion.

Poor recruitment is the issue.

Dont get me wrong. I am not saying its his fault, I put it down to tactics. Its the wrong time to be heavily using him as much as we are.

Imagine if we were leading 2-0.. on the counter it would be unreal.

While we are losing 1-0 .. its serving no benefit.
Title: Re: Is Pickford one of the issues?
Post by: Realist on October 04, 2017, 02:53:43 AM
I like him, if we buy a quality pacy striker he'll end up getting assists, his distribution is tremendous
Title: Re: Is Pickford one of the issues?
Post by: TheTone on October 04, 2017, 03:50:22 AM
nah, the 10 wankers in front of him are the problem
Title: Re: Is Pickford one of the issues?
Post by: BlueBeagle on October 04, 2017, 03:56:15 AM
Is he fuck.

He's a vast improvement on Joel and Stek.
Title: Re: Is Pickford one of the issues?
Post by: The Analog Kid on October 04, 2017, 03:56:42 AM
Doesnít help his cause when two out of his four defenders are Williams and Martina.
Title: Re: Is Pickford one of the issues?
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 04, 2017, 03:57:36 AM
I'm in the "we would be on 1 point if not for Pickford" camp...so, no.
Title: Re: Is Pickford one of the issues?
Post by: plowman2 on October 04, 2017, 04:25:49 AM
Biting my tongue here.
Title: Re: Is Pickford one of the issues?
Post by: sam of the south on October 04, 2017, 04:25:55 AM
No, the issue is the smarmy looking tubby one in the dugout, and the old granny looking geezer who was working on the transfers
Title: Re: Is Pickford one of the issues?
Post by: Bluedylan on October 04, 2017, 04:26:42 AM
No, he's a solution.
Title: Re: Is Pickford one of the issues?
Post by: TheRam on October 04, 2017, 04:41:34 AM
He's boss.

Do we have to dig out every player?
Title: Re: Is Pickford one of the issues?
Post by: Confucius on October 04, 2017, 04:54:36 AM
He looks decent. Very slow on his feet and never on his toes so seems to reeact late. He is young so can iron that out. Some left foot on him though
Title: Re: Is Pickford one of the issues?
Post by: blueToffee on October 04, 2017, 04:58:09 AM
Not perfect, but short answer is no.

About 10 other positions I'd be more concerned about filling before his.
Title: Re: Is Pickford one of the issues?
Post by: blargins on October 04, 2017, 05:17:22 PM
He looks decent. Very slow on his feet and never on his toes so seems to reeact late. He is young so can iron that out. Some left foot on him though

Sheedyesque?
Title: Re: Is Pickford one of the issues?
Post by: everton1952 on October 04, 2017, 05:26:09 PM
One of our more decent signings I would think. He should be used to playing behind a shit defense considering where he came from.
Title: Re: Is Pickford one of the issues?
Post by: SANA_DR0 on October 04, 2017, 06:09:25 PM
i know we could do with more pace and height,

but DCL is tall and is fast. Everytime he plays, on motd or on sky or bt, they always say he has pace to burn.

dont get why Evertonians cant see this..
Title: Re: Is Pickford one of the issues?
Post by: Toddacelli on October 04, 2017, 07:24:35 PM
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Title: Re: Is Pickford one of the issues?
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on October 04, 2017, 07:53:37 PM
i know we could do with more pace and height,

but DCL is tall and is fast. Everytime he plays, on motd or on sky or bt, they always say he has pace to burn.

dont get why Evertonians cant see this..

It's not just about pace and height tho is it?

Timing of runs and direction of travel are just as, if not more important. DCL doesn't have that yet.
Title: Re: Is Pickford one of the issues?
Post by: brap2 on October 04, 2017, 07:58:53 PM
hasnt pickfords distribution been one of the worst in the league?

We're definitely trying to rely on it too much. If there's a break on then sure but I can't fucking stand the long ball shit at the minute. It's back to Moyes type stuff of straight from the kick off surrendering possession for yardage. Draining.
Title: Re: Is Pickford one of the issues?
Post by: mikey_blue on October 04, 2017, 08:07:06 PM
shooting from the hip here.
Title: Re: Is Pickford one of the issues?
Post by: blue slug on October 04, 2017, 08:20:57 PM
He's the least of our problems, pickford is class, the outfield players are an utter bag of piss
Title: Re: Is Pickford one of the issues?
Post by: everton1952 on October 04, 2017, 08:46:34 PM
Gosh, the worst in the league! You must have studied this. Who is the next worse and who is the best in the league? Can you back up your statement with statistics? Must be hard to watch the games if you concentrate too much on one aspect.
Title: Re: Is Pickford one of the issues?
Post by: brap2 on October 04, 2017, 09:25:47 PM
Gosh, the worst in the league! You must have studied this. Who is the next worse and who is the best in the league? Can you back up your statement with statistics? Must be hard to watch the games if you concentrate too much on one aspect.

Yeah I mean like in terms of his passes hitting our players - one of the worst in the league I believe.

It's due to us not having a striker though not his kicking. I wish he wouldn't do it as much and would pick his times better personally because I find it boring and unattractive...down to Ronald though isn't it really.

That said apparently against City we used it to pin them up the pitch and win the ball back so it's like sacrificing possession for yardage and trying to pin them, so his completion will be lower.
Title: Re: Is Pickford one of the issues?
Post by: BlueNoseMike on October 05, 2017, 03:43:25 PM
Yeah I mean like in terms of his passes hitting our players - one of the worst in the league I believe.

It's due to us not having a striker though not his kicking. I wish he wouldn't do it as much and would pick his times better personally because I find it boring and unattractive...down to Ronald though isn't it really.

That said apparently against City we used it to pin them up the pitch and win the ball back so it's like sacrificing possession for yardage and trying to pin them, so his completion will be lower.

I think in terms of completion he will always be lower because of the distance. A lot of the top keepers play it out to a ball playing CB, we don't because we can't. I think when you factor in distance and completion his distribution was 2nd behind De Gea last season so not worried going forward.

Missing out on Giroud or another of his ilk has buggered up Koeman's plans. Trouble is he is still playing as if we have that player up top when we don't
Title: Re: Is Pickford one of the issues?
Post by: Martip on October 05, 2017, 04:23:49 PM
He's the least of our problems, pickford is class, the outfield players are an utter bag of piss
Agree with comments on outfield players but pickford has not done enough for me yet to be labelled as class. Early days he.
Title: Re: Is Pickford one of the issues?
Post by: 74Blue on October 05, 2017, 06:43:45 PM
No. There is a big fucking Ashley Williams shaped object in front of him that is a far bigger issue than Pickford.
Title: Re: Is Pickford one of the issues?
Post by: gizzblue on October 05, 2017, 07:58:24 PM
This thread is madness ....how the fuck is such a young keeper supposed to find his feet with a plethora of changes every match in front of him and an invisible wall that is Williams playing for the opposition as much as possible when he plays. ...convinced the twat is betting against himself every game .

Pickford is the best signing this year easy .
Title: Re: Is Pickford one of the issues?
Post by: Waltzer on October 05, 2017, 08:09:08 PM
I dont think hes been helped by the fact we have a team that negates everything good about him. When we have Bolasie back I can see Pickford spraying quick balls out from the back for him to run onto. It frustrates me that when every other team on the planet has highlighted the importance of pace and power we have gone with a group that look like they're running in treacle.
I do think Pickfords handling needs to improve and to concentrate on the here and now, sometimes he comes across as too eager to distribute the ball and dropped it twice in dangerous areas on Saturday when it should've been a routine catch.
Title: Re: Is Pickford one of the issues?
Post by: brap2 on October 05, 2017, 08:16:51 PM
Yeah a nice ball player in front of him would be great.

Koulibaly would be perfect on the left with Baines, leaving Keane to be the deep block CB like at Burnley.

Then a baller in DM like pareades from zenit.

Finally wilf Zaha ok the right wing and giroud up top.

£200m
Title: Re: Is Pickford one of the issues?
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on October 05, 2017, 09:36:36 PM
Yeah a nice ball player in front of him would be great.

Koulibaly would be perfect on the left with Baines, leaving Keane to be the deep block CB like at Burnley.

Then a baller in DM like pareades from zenit.

Finally wilf Zaha ok the right wing and giroud up top.

£200m

Bish bash bosh.
Title: Re: Is Pickford one of the issues?
Post by: gizzblue on October 05, 2017, 09:40:33 PM
Yeah a nice ball player in front of him would be great.

Koulibaly would be perfect on the left with Baines, leaving Keane to be the deep block CB like at Burnley.

Then a baller in DM like pareades from zenit.

Finally wilf Zaha ok the right wing and giroud up top.

£200m
Brap you after the DOF job 😅😅....job done sack RK and the Leicester throwback. ...Brap's got it covered.
Title: Re: Is Pickford one of the issues?
Post by: Ridge on October 05, 2017, 09:52:04 PM
Pickford came from a team who fought for their lives unsuccessfully, and doesn't appear to command too much. As keepers become more confident they take more responsibility and defenders trust them more, but the zone for potential crosses is deeper and closer to goal.

When we have possession, Pickford is giving the players options, doesn't mean players should take it. When he distributes, we don't have great targets, or often pace to make use, but he'll create more goals than other keepers and both of those will improve. You have to take risks and a hit on efficiency to create chances and counter attack is one of the most effective tactics.

I think the situation is that he could help himself and the team more, but I think it's the defenders coming too deep. Should he be orchastrating defence, no, could he help them out or remind them more, certainly. But have been impressed with quite a lot of saves, no real major errors and he'll get better.
Title: Re: Is Pickford one of the issues?
Post by: brap2 on October 05, 2017, 09:52:37 PM
Imagine me on here moaning about my own selections.

Sack him / me.
Title: Re: Is Pickford one of the issues?
Post by: everton1952 on October 05, 2017, 09:52:42 PM
Without wanting to bestow any praise at all on our back four, it must be disconcerting for them not to have our so-called midfielders coming to take the ball off you. Pickford by now knows that if he gives it to any of our back 4, more often than not it will end up back with him, so he hoofs it. Ronald's fault of course, or at least a failure to sign a decent midfielder to initiate or dictate play further up the field. Unless that was supposed to be the reason for signing Sigurdsson at huge expense. Davies is too inexperienced and Gana hasn't got a clue going forward.
Title: Re: Is Pickford one of the issues?
Post by: SANA_DR0 on October 05, 2017, 10:04:42 PM
lol at the Giroud shouts, he will be here for  6months then his legs would be gone, so many many better players than an aging arsenal reserve.
he looks so disinterested this season, even tho he chose to stay., glad we didnt get him, his lackadaisical attitude would piss me off// if you guys thought ~Lukaku was lazy, Giroud is another level of not giving a fuck.

just watch him play!!
Title: Re: Is Pickford one of the issues?
Post by: Ridge on October 05, 2017, 10:06:34 PM
https://twitter.com/Sure/status/915903942583865344
Title: Re: Is Pickford one of the issues?
Post by: Realist on October 05, 2017, 10:15:28 PM
lol at the Giroud shouts, he will be here for  6months then his legs would be gone, so many many better players than an aging arsenal reserve.
he looks so disinterested this season, even tho he chose to stay., glad we didnt get him, his lackadaisical attitude would piss me off// if you guys thought ~Lukaku was lazy, Giroud is another level of not giving a fuck.

just watch him play!!

And to think some people are wanting to throw £40m at Arsenal to get him 😂 They'd be crying a few weeks after he arrived about what a bad buy he is

He's not that prolific in a team which creates a lot of chances. I'd be horrified if we spent anything like that money on him
Title: Re: Is Pickford one of the issues?
Post by: everton1952 on October 06, 2017, 12:18:10 AM
Oh, please bring back that "lazy" Lukaku, score a pile of goals for us and piss-off the anti-Lukaku brigade on here. No chance unfortunately.
Title: Re: Is Pickford one of the issues?
Post by: BlueForYou on October 06, 2017, 01:07:52 AM
Pickford, far from an issue - pick of the signings, so far; and yes, future number 1 for England

Desperately need to establish a regular CB partner for Keane - Rijad Sadiku looks promising

Title: Re: Is Pickford one of the issues?
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 06, 2017, 01:14:48 AM
The people who thought Romelu lazy were fucking nuts or worse.  End of.
Title: Re: Is Pickford one of the issues?
Post by: formerKHL on October 06, 2017, 01:27:54 AM
Reading this thread you would think all Pickford does is lump it forward everytime he gets the ball....
He maybe does it 3/4 times in a game...

His distribution is good and often than not sets us up going forward...

Itís the full backs who tend to receive the ball then decide to turn backwards....hardly pickfords fault...
Title: Re: Is Pickford one of the issues?
Post by: SANA_DR0 on October 06, 2017, 01:31:12 AM
ive actually seen him blast it upfront more than 3-4 times agame.. he does it alot.. It would help if we had someone else to aim at along side DCL, then Pickford would have options.
Title: Re: Is Pickford one of the issues?
Post by: brap2 on October 06, 2017, 02:32:13 AM
lol at the Giroud shouts, he will be here for  6months then his legs would be gone, so many many better players than an aging arsenal reserve.
he looks so disinterested this season, even tho he chose to stay., glad we didnt get him, his lackadaisical attitude would piss me off// if you guys thought ~Lukaku was lazy, Giroud is another level of not giving a fuck.

just watch him play!!

Haha fuck off mate, I'd rather giroud walk back and forward over my bollocks in a pair of heels than watch Wayne Rooney drag his fucking bifta smoking arse around the pitch another minute.
Title: Re: Is Pickford one of the issues?
Post by: Major Clanger on October 06, 2017, 02:36:44 AM
Itís the full backs who tend to receive the ball then decide to turn backwards....hardly pickfords fault...

And they're doing it because there's no-one coming short in centre-mid.
Title: Re: Is Pickford one of the issues?
Post by: blue1948 on October 07, 2017, 09:15:29 PM
Haha fuck off mate, I'd rather giroud walk back and forward over my bollocks in a pair of heels than watch Wayne Rooney drag his fucking bifta smoking arse around the pitch another minute.
I really wanted to tool you there but no ,I would just like you to elaborate .The comparison to Rooney baffles me ! Why is it always one or the other ? By the way if the offer is open I have the heels .
Title: Re: Is Pickford one of the issues?
Post by: brap2 on October 07, 2017, 09:29:49 PM
I really wanted to tool you there but no ,I would just like you to elaborate .The comparison to Rooney baffles me ! Why is it always one or the other ? By the way if the offer is open I have the heels .


It was a juxtaposition for dramatic affect mostly.