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Title: [News]Rumours that Koeman will quit Everton
Post by: Everton News on October 04, 2017, 02:45:02 AM
Rumours that Koeman will quit Everton

There are rumours circulating that Ronald Koeman will walk away from Goodison Park this week after a terrible start to the season.

Source: Rumours that Koeman will quit Everton (https://www.nsno.co.uk/everton-news/2017/10/rumours-koeman-will-quit-everton/)
Title: Re: [News]Rumours that Koeman will quit Everton
Post by: Lxxx on October 04, 2017, 02:53:14 AM
Madness. I would be gobsmacked if he walked.
Although he might see it as a way of saving face and preserving what's left of his reputation I just can't see it. £500k/month is a pretty big deal.
Title: Re: [News]Rumours that Koeman will quit Everton
Post by: Realist on October 04, 2017, 02:55:04 AM
I think he'd go tomorrow if he was given a satisfactory pay out - he doesn't really seem arsed. He'd be happy on the golf course.
Title: Re: [News]Rumours that Koeman will quit Everton
Post by: Macca77 on October 04, 2017, 02:56:06 AM
Nah, can't see this happening
Title: Re: [News]Rumours that Koeman will quit Everton
Post by: blueToffee on October 04, 2017, 03:01:55 AM
I think if there was anything behind this, we'd be seeing stuff in some of the more reliable media by now.

Rumours sometimes get a head start that make it on twitter or the like, but usually that's followed up with journalists chipping in shortly afterwards.
Title: Re: [News]Rumours that Koeman will quit Everton
Post by: plumber on October 04, 2017, 03:08:06 AM
There are rumours circulating that our world is ruled by half-men half-goats.
Title: Re: [News]Rumours that Koeman will quit Everton
Post by: TheTone on October 04, 2017, 03:18:34 AM
I reckon he is well shit at golf too
Title: Re: [News]Rumours that Koeman will quit Everton
Post by: Gash on October 04, 2017, 03:20:24 AM
I reckon he is well shit at golf too

Plays off 11 apparently.
Title: Re: [News]Rumours that Koeman will quit Everton
Post by: TheTone on October 04, 2017, 03:21:04 AM
Plays off 11 apparently.

i'd take him so
Title: Re: [News]Rumours that Koeman will quit Everton
Post by: Ross on October 04, 2017, 03:23:23 AM
Wonít believe it till Moshiri texts Jim White.
Title: Re: [News]Rumours that Koeman will quit Everton
Post by: BlueForYou on October 04, 2017, 03:24:04 AM
Hmmm...................

Well - I don't think Ronald's in love with Everton!

But - Roberto loved the club, of course!




Title: Re: [News]Rumours that Koeman will quit Everton
Post by: Redartin on October 04, 2017, 03:27:05 AM
Plays off 11 apparently.
Can't get it to 10, that would explain his obsession with 10's.

Hope this rumour is true.
Title: Re: [News]Rumours that Koeman will quit Everton
Post by: Ell Capitan on October 04, 2017, 03:30:20 AM
Is this actual news or fake twitter rumours?
Title: Re: [News]Rumours that Koeman will quit Everton
Post by: Mayor Farnum on October 04, 2017, 03:35:35 AM
When I saw Moshiri had given him a vote of confidence I read it as a warning to Koeman that we weren't prepared to pay him off and if he wanted out he'd have to quit. Just my take on it no info or anything,
Title: Re: [News]Rumours that Koeman will quit Everton
Post by: Goaljira on October 04, 2017, 03:40:29 AM
I could see him quitting to try and preserve his reputation.  He leaves citing that he made it clear we needed a striker and a defender, and he was let down by the board/Walsh as they didnt make it happen.

Better get ahead of it if he thinks theres even a chance he gets the bullet.
Title: Re: [News]Rumours that Koeman will quit Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 04, 2017, 03:43:04 AM
Kwanzaa coming in October, nice!
Title: Re: [News]Rumours that Koeman will quit Everton
Post by: TheTone on October 04, 2017, 03:45:34 AM
Kwanzaa coming in October, nice!

can he play up front?
Title: Re: [News]Rumours that Koeman will quit Everton
Post by: toffee_scot on October 06, 2017, 03:26:14 AM
Just found this article online, this was when Koeman resigned as manager of Ajax after a UEFA Cup game https://www.theguardian.com/football/2005/feb/25/newsstory.ajax

His comments are very interesting: "I have requested the managing board and the committee of Ajax to terminate our contract. I have to be honest to myself and to Ajax. Yesterday's result was the last straw. I no longer have the strength and the energy to get over this and make the team perform better. I managed one time before, after the bad result against Maccabi Tel-Aviv, but I cannot do it again. If I am not fully motivated and driven, I cannot and should not be the coach of Ajax."

Could history repeat itself I wonder?
Title: Re: [News]Rumours that Koeman will quit Everton
Post by: charlatan on October 06, 2017, 03:29:09 AM
Any surprise he's fucked off on holiday again?
Title: Re: [News]Rumours that Koeman will quit Everton
Post by: sam of the south on October 06, 2017, 03:43:35 AM
Just found this article online, this was when Koeman resigned as manager of Ajax after a UEFA Cup game https://www.theguardian.com/football/2005/feb/25/newsstory.ajax

His comments are very interesting: "I have requested the managing board and the committee of Ajax to terminate our contract. I have to be honest to myself and to Ajax. Yesterday's result was the last straw. I no longer have the strength and the energy to get over this and make the team perform better. I managed one time before, after the bad result against Maccabi Tel-Aviv, but I cannot do it again. If I am not fully motivated and driven, I cannot and should not be the coach of Ajax."

Could history repeat itself I wonder?

Here's hoping 🤞🏼
Title: Re: [News]Rumours that Koeman will quit Everton
Post by: gizzblue on October 06, 2017, 03:48:24 AM
Hope the cunt gets struck by lightening playing golf .
Also sent you supposed to work and earn a holiday ??.
Title: Re: [News]Rumours that Koeman will quit Everton
Post by: Paddockoldie on October 06, 2017, 03:54:21 AM
It's like the ancient Roman Senate on here..
Title: Re: [News]Rumours that Koeman will quit Everton
Post by: gizzblue on October 06, 2017, 03:56:38 AM
It's like the ancient Roman Senate on here..
We're you there ???.....
Doing well for an older bloke 😅
Title: Re: [News]Rumours that Koeman will quit Everton
Post by: Paddockoldie on October 06, 2017, 04:30:04 AM
We're you there ???.....
Doing well for an older bloke 😅

If you know your history.... 😊😊
Title: Re: [News]Rumours that Koeman will quit Everton
Post by: indiantoffee1975 on October 06, 2017, 04:38:28 AM
Be nice if he put as much effort into Everton Football Club as he does booking his holidays.
Title: Re: [News]Rumours that Koeman will quit Everton
Post by: everton1952 on October 06, 2017, 05:05:48 AM
But I thought everyone knew Koeman had left. It is clearly stated on another older thread. Don't you read these knowledgeable threads? Benitez was seen in Goodison Road last week. I asked him to go for a drink with me but he refused because I keep calling him a fat....... waiter. 
Title: Re: [News]Rumours that Koeman will quit Everton
Post by: Ross on October 06, 2017, 05:46:38 AM
Any surprise he's fucked off on holiday again?

Itíd of been a surprise to read about how he was at his desk burning the midnight oil trying to work out how to turn this around.

But whoís honestly surprised heís off on another holiday now? I doubt even his biggest backers on here arenít shocked. 
Title: Re: [News]Rumours that Koeman will quit Everton
Post by: Tony Clifton on October 06, 2017, 07:07:26 AM
Was on holiday when he was "unveiled" last year wasn't he?  Actually, when is he not on holiday?!  His next job should be with a fucking airline.
Title: Re: [News]Rumours that Koeman will quit Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on October 06, 2017, 11:42:34 AM
But I thought everyone knew Koeman had left. It is clearly stated on another older thread. Don't you read these knowledgeable threads? Benitez was seen in Goodison Road last week. I asked him to go for a drink with me but he refused because I keep calling him a fat....... waiter. 

you have issues
Title: Re: [News]Rumours that Koeman will quit Everton
Post by: Hawkandro on October 06, 2017, 02:09:13 PM
Does anyone know if the players who haven't been picked for Internationals are on holiday too?

If not, the fact he is, is quite worrying.
Title: Re: [News]Rumours that Koeman will quit Everton
Post by: BlueMaquis on October 06, 2017, 02:22:36 PM
Koeman is Koeman, does what he wants
Title: Re: [News]Rumours that Koeman will quit Everton
Post by: BlueForYou on October 06, 2017, 02:43:46 PM
That article about Koeman's resignation from Ajax could be an indication - he lost heart

History repeating may well be happening here - project fear lurks







Title: Re: [News]Rumours that Koeman will quit Everton
Post by: Lxxx on October 06, 2017, 05:39:28 PM
In the middle of a slump you'd want your manager, very well paid manager, to be making full use of the international break to be in Finch Farm and getting all his staff in for a debrief to work out what's going wrong, get out on the training pitch with the ones that aren't away, catch a U-23 game, do a bit of club media work maybe to show a positive front, immerse yourself in the club, show everyone we're in it together to turn it around. For £500k/month I'd want a bit of effort, or at least to be seen to making an effort.

Maybe he did all that briefly before jetting off, who knows, but you have to think all the signs are he's not that arsed really and probably never was judging by his comments right from day one.
Title: Re: [News]Rumours that Koeman will quit Everton
Post by: hill135 on October 06, 2017, 05:41:36 PM
Is he actually on holiday though? Who's saying this?
Title: Re: [News]Rumours that Koeman will quit Everton
Post by: Lxxx on October 06, 2017, 05:55:55 PM
Is he actually on holiday though? Who's saying this?

Been in Majorca since the start of the international break and now in Barcelona.

http://sportwitness.co.uk/ronald-koeman-lands-barcelona-airport-escaping-difficult-everton-situation/

There are rumours it was to his daughters wedding but no-one knows. Although to be fair he does have form in this respect.
Title: Re: [News]Rumours that Koeman will quit Everton
Post by: TheRam on October 06, 2017, 05:57:25 PM
I know I shouldn't be, but Iam fuming over this.

Title: Re: [News]Rumours that Koeman will quit Everton
Post by: SANA_DR0 on October 06, 2017, 05:58:31 PM
I know I shouldn't be, but Iam fuming over this.


the Ram for manager!
Title: Re: [News]Rumours that Koeman will quit Everton
Post by: hill135 on October 06, 2017, 05:59:30 PM
Been in Majorca since the start of the international break and now in Barcelona.

http://sportwitness.co.uk/ronald-koeman-lands-barcelona-airport-escaping-difficult-everton-situation/

Fair do.

Always thought the holiday thing was a bit overblown but he really should be working overtime to get us out this current malaise.
Title: Re: [News]Rumours that Koeman will quit Everton
Post by: Django on October 06, 2017, 06:00:06 PM
I know I shouldn't be, but Iam fuming over this.



He's not assed about us. Simply a mercenary happy picking up his massive wage and would fuck us off at the drop of a hat if he got a better offer.

This type of behavior doesn't surprise me. He was on his jollies on deadline day ffs.
Title: Re: [News]Rumours that Koeman will quit Everton
Post by: formerKHL on October 06, 2017, 06:15:35 PM
isn't that saying he's there for an anniversary of barca winning the champs league 28 years ago with the rest of the team ?

my Spanish is not as good as it was...

which would put a different spin on "he's fuckked off on holiday"....

I may be wrong
Title: Re: [News]Rumours that Koeman will quit Everton
Post by: Ross on October 06, 2017, 06:19:00 PM
isn't that saying he's there for an anniversary of barca winning the champs league 28 years ago with the rest of the team ?

my Spanish is not as good as it was...

which would put a different spin on "he's fuckked off on holiday"....

I may be wrong

...yeah those 28 year anniversary things are the most important arenít they.

Title: Re: [News]Rumours that Koeman will quit Everton
Post by: blue slug on October 06, 2017, 06:44:17 PM
shows a lot about his character if he folds so easily under pressure when he's taking a fat £500k a month it really does piss me off
Title: Re: [News]Rumours that Koeman will quit Everton
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on October 06, 2017, 08:13:30 PM
...yeah those 28 year anniversary things are the most important arenít they.



Lol

You hate him don't you.

Would you have Bobby Brownshoes back as his replacement?
Title: Re: [News]Rumours that Koeman will quit Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on October 06, 2017, 08:16:09 PM
He must be allowed to go on holiday during international breaks in the terms of his contract, or have some sort of verbal agreement with Moshiri.

TBH I think a bit too much is made of it. Football management must be an extremely stressful job. Benitez was always criticised for being too obsessive about football and having nothing else in his life. Sometimes when you're really struggling and can't see the wood for the trees, having a break and getting a bit of perspective away from things can help.

I get why people are annoyed, but if the results and performances were better I don't think anyone would care about the holiday thing, so really I think people are just pissed off with the results.

Title: Re: [News]Rumours that Koeman will quit Everton
Post by: formerKHL on October 06, 2017, 08:27:08 PM
for me people are obsessed with it because of the salary he/they receive....

my missus works is a teacher..gets loadsa holidays so I take mine at the same time too....no one obsesses because we have about 10 weeks holiday per year...

and before anyone sez it yes i'm shit at me job so no-one notices when i'm away....
Title: Re: [News]Rumours that Koeman will quit Everton
Post by: Ross on October 06, 2017, 08:45:33 PM
Lol

You hate him don't you.

Would you have Bobby Brownshoes back as his replacement?

No way. He had his chance and weíve moved on. Would have been interesting seeing what he could have done with the budget Koeman has been afford given he trusted young players and liked attacking football but heís in our past now.

Never liked Koeman from before he turned up though and his record never justified the protracted pursuit let alone the wages we had to throw at him to convince him. It seemed clear to me from the beginning he was the wrong man for where we where and where we wanted to get to long term. His career is littered with these runs, poor cup performances and fallouts with players and itís just history repeating itself.

As I end said before it just all feels like a massive wasted opportunity and when he goes I think heíll be leaving us in a weaker state than when he came.
Title: Re: [News]Rumours that Koeman will quit Everton
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on October 06, 2017, 08:56:06 PM
No way. He had his chance and weíve moved on. Would have been interesting seeing what he could have done with the budget Koeman has been afford given he trusted young players and liked attacking football but heís in our past now.

Never liked Koeman from before he turned up though and his record never justified the protracted pursuit let alone the wages we had to throw at him to convince him. It seemed clear to me from the beginning he was the wrong man for where we where and where we wanted to get to long term. His career is littered with these runs, poor cup performances and fallouts with players and itís just history repeating itself.

As I end said before it just all feels like a massive wasted opportunity and when he goes I think heíll be leaving us in a weaker state than when he came.

Can argue with most of that.

I think overall the squad is stronger but there's a gaping chasm left by Lukaku that's yet to be filled. We can't pin that one on Kooey though.
Title: Re: [News]Rumours that Koeman will quit Everton
Post by: blueski on October 06, 2017, 09:39:07 PM
can take as many holidays as he likes if & when we are winning
Title: Re: [News]Rumours that Koeman will quit Everton
Post by: BlueBeagle on October 06, 2017, 09:46:01 PM

Would have been interesting seeing what he could have done with the budget Koeman has been afford

What he spent here was relative to what Koeman has had to spend in a mad market
Title: Re: [News]Rumours that Koeman will quit Everton
Post by: sirblue57 on October 06, 2017, 10:09:31 PM
He must be allowed to go on holiday during international breaks in the terms of his contract, or have some sort of verbal agreement with Moshiri.

TBH I think a bit too much is made of it. Football management must be an extremely stressful job. Benitez was always criticised for being too obsessive about football and having nothing else in his life. Sometimes when you're really struggling and can't see the wood for the trees, having a break and getting a bit of perspective away from things can help.

I get why people are annoyed, but if the results and performances were better I don't think anyone would care about the holiday thing, so really I think people are just pissed off with the results.



Hmm....come to that conclusion all on your own?


Of course.people are bothered about the results and performances..cause we are dog shit....and we expect the manager to be bothered as well...
Title: Re: [News]Rumours that Koeman will quit Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on October 06, 2017, 10:16:07 PM
Hmm....come to that conclusion all on your own?


Of course.people are bothered about the results and performances..cause we are dog shit....and we expect the manager to be bothered as well...

I'll have another go, and see if I can communicate my meaning this time.

The holidays thing is a red herring, and people are so pissed off with him that they'd use any stick to beat him with at the moment.

That any clearer?
Title: Re: [News]Rumours that Koeman will quit Everton
Post by: SANA_DR0 on October 06, 2017, 11:23:11 PM
I'll have another go, and see if I can communicate my meaning this time.

The holidays thing is a red herring, and people are so pissed off with him that they'd use any stick to beat him with at the moment.

That any clearer?

Wish he goes fishing on holiday in his little yacht, catches the herring, then slips over it, meaning he cant do his day to day job as a manager, insurance will pay out, Koeman and Everton both win :D


replace him with a real German coach who could catch herrings all day.
 
Wolfgang Wolf.

we'd be feared just cos of his name.
Title: Re: [News]Rumours that Koeman will quit Everton
Post by: Ross on October 06, 2017, 11:55:06 PM
What he spent here was relative to what Koeman has had to spend in a mad market

The backing Koeman has had isnít comparable.

In the last 15 months heís signed 7 or 8 ďstarĒ players. Itís the sort of recruitment drive I canít ever remember any other Everton manager having in my time watching them.
Title: Re: [News]Rumours that Koeman will quit Everton
Post by: BlueBeagle on October 07, 2017, 12:33:03 AM
The backing Koeman has had isnít comparable.

It is.

Who are these "star" players?
Not one would get into the starting 11 of the "Top 6" so recruitment has remained at a similar quality level,  just more bodies brought in.
Title: Re: [News]Rumours that Koeman will quit Everton
Post by: Ross on October 07, 2017, 12:53:07 AM
It is.

Who are these "star" players?
Not one would get into the starting 11 of the "Top 6" so recruitment has remained at a similar quality level,  just more bodies brought in.

No itís really not.

In his time with us Martinez bought 3 ďstarsĒ, players who cost Everton a lot of money that most others in the league could afford. They were McCarthy, Lukaku and Niasse. Now you mightnít think they were worth the money but the fact isnít he was backed to get these players above the levels most other clubs in the league couldnít affford. Of course he had other buys but they werenít in anyway out of the reach of others and just run of the mill punts they could have all taken, even the newly promoted teams.

Koeman like I said has received that backing and then some with 8 ďstarĒ recruits in his relatively short time here, plus others. Thereís a massive difference between the budgets the two have been given and this is ignoring the wages that come with these recruits that again only a handful of top clubs can match or better.
Title: Re: [News]Rumours that Koeman will quit Everton
Post by: BlueBeagle on October 07, 2017, 12:58:32 AM
No itís really not.

In his time with us Martinez bought 3 ďstarsĒ, players who cost Everton a lot of money that most others in the league could afford. They were McCarthy, Lukaku and Niasse. Now you mightnít think they were worth the money but the fact isnít he was backed to get these players above the levels most other clubs in the league couldnít affford. Of course he had other buys but they werenít in anyway out of the reach of others and just run of the mill punts they could have all taken, even the newly promoted teams.

Koeman like I said has received that backing and then some with 8 ďstarĒ recruits in his relatively short time here, plus others. Thereís a massive difference between the budgets the two have been given and this is ignoring the wages that come with these recruits that again only a handful of top clubs can match or better.

So you're just disregarding the fact that many Moyes (many of whom RM utilised) & Martinez era players need replacing at cost?

It's also worth remembering that Martinez had total authority over signings, how much input Koeman has is a mystery.
Title: Re: [News]Rumours that Koeman will quit Everton
Post by: BlueForYou on October 07, 2017, 01:19:58 AM
Exactly what Martin O'Neil was getting at

Title: Re: [News]Rumours that Koeman will quit Everton
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on October 07, 2017, 01:44:23 AM
Koeman fought tooth and nail for us not to sign the amazing Sigurdsson...
Title: Re: [News]Rumours that Koeman will quit Everton
Post by: sirblue57 on October 07, 2017, 02:01:21 AM
I'll have another go, and see if I can communicate my meaning this time.

The holidays thing is a red herring, and people are so pissed off with him that they'd use any stick to beat him with at the moment.

That any clearer?

Not bothered about the holiday hollow...would rather he tried to give the impression he gave a fuck ABOUT what's going wrong.
Title: Re: [News]Rumours that Koeman will quit Everton
Post by: Ell Capitan on October 07, 2017, 02:04:33 AM
No way. He had his chance and weíve moved on. Would have been interesting seeing what he could have done with the budget Koeman has been afford given he trusted young players and liked attacking football but heís in our past now.

There's literally nothing to suggest Martinez would've made good use of the money. The vast majority of his signings were abysmal.

And even if he had bought well, as is currently all too clear, there's a lot more to management than recruiting new players. For example, Martinez couldn't organise a defence to save his life. He took one of the strongest defences in European club football, and turned it into a laughing stock. Better players wouldn't have solved anything in that department.
Title: Re: [News]Rumours that Koeman will quit Everton
Post by: sam of the south on October 07, 2017, 04:11:59 AM
Koeman fought tooth and nail for us not to sign the amazing Sigurdsson...

Erm, I think you've got that arse about face, chief 🤔

He fought tooth and nail to sign Sigurdsson and in turn bomb out Barkley, because of one of them seemingly having more 'productivity' than the other.
Title: Re: [News]Rumours that Koeman will quit Everton
Post by: Jamokachi on October 07, 2017, 04:47:52 AM
This article doesn't mention a holiday, and in fact says Koeman is "working hard at Finch Farm".

I'm with @Bluedylan (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=3747) on this, people are just fuming for fume's sake over this holiday thing.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/ronald-koeman-admits-relieved-breather-11289025
Title: Re: [News]Rumours that Koeman will quit Everton
Post by: hannu on October 07, 2017, 05:18:18 AM
Erm, I think you've got that arse about face, chief 🤔

He fought tooth and nail to sign Sigurdsson and in turn bomb out Barkley, because of one of them seemingly having more 'productivity' than the other.
Gylfi has little to none productivity
Title: Re: [News]Rumours that Koeman will quit Everton
Post by: Bob Sacamano on October 07, 2017, 05:19:04 AM
@Ross (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=2316), By star players do you mean first team players? Wouldn't consider any of the players bought by Martinez or Koeman star worthy. I wouldn't have even given you Lukaku as a star when he came. He was just a striker too good for WBA, not good enough for Chelsea who was also wanted by West Ham.

Imo the biggest thing about all of these signing is their ridiculous fees. But I'd say like 90% of the players brought in by PL sides are vastly overpriced. Every single side in the league is being taken for foolswhen it comes to transfer fees and wages.
Title: Re: [News]Rumours that Koeman will quit Everton
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on October 07, 2017, 05:48:38 AM
Erm, I think you've got that arse about face, chief 🤔

He fought tooth and nail to sign Sigurdsson and in turn bomb out Barkley, because of one of them seemingly having more 'productivity' than the other.
You normally spot irony sam...
Title: Re: [News]Rumours that Koeman will quit Everton
Post by: sam of the south on October 07, 2017, 06:40:43 AM
Gylfi has little to none productivity

Indeed
Title: Re: [News]Rumours that Koeman will quit Everton
Post by: sam of the south on October 07, 2017, 06:41:11 AM
You normally spot irony sam...

Oh I seeeee
Title: Re: [News]Rumours that Koeman will quit Everton
Post by: blob on October 07, 2017, 06:34:48 PM
totally unfounded rumour/waffle.

another quiet week...
Title: Re: [News]Rumours that Koeman will quit Everton
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on October 07, 2017, 10:22:03 PM