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Title: Ashley Williams
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on October 10, 2017, 06:48:46 PM
Another mistake last night.

I knew we'd get a limited amount of time out of him before he went into decline when we signed him but hes nowhere near living up to the reputation he'd forged for wales and Swansea.

Is he finished at the top level?
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: pjk on October 10, 2017, 06:55:50 PM
Another mistake last night.

I knew we'd get a limited amount of time out of him before he went into decline when we signed him but hes nowhere near living up to the reputation he'd forged for wales and Swansea.

Is he finished at the top level?


I think we dodged a bullet, signing him when he was 31. only a few more years before age relieves us of this particular mistake.
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: Hawkandro on October 10, 2017, 06:56:43 PM
I was quite happy when we got him; thought he had been brilliant the past few years in the PL. Sadly, he has failed to recreate that form for us, and does look absolutely finished this season.
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: bigmanbob on October 10, 2017, 07:05:04 PM
Just not good enough I'm afraid. He looks overweight and turns like the QE2. His distribution is embarrassing
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: Robioto on October 10, 2017, 07:09:08 PM
I was quite happy when we got him; thought he had been brilliant the past few years in the PL. Sadly, he has failed to recreate that form for us, and does look absolutely finished this season.

Same here, I was well chuffed, thought it was a clever signing, similar to when we got Distin at a similar age. He seems to be on a steep decline though, two years ago he was very good at Swansea and for Wales, but now... He's a bit of a disaster...
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: Ross on October 10, 2017, 07:11:03 PM
He was never good enough and made these sort of mistakes at Swansea they were just brushed over because it’s “only Swansea” and they’re not very good defensively(erm hello!!).

Some of our squad building over the last 18 months has been poor given the money we’ve been spending. Thats one thing Koeman or Walsh won’t be able to complain about if they get the sack soon as they’ve certainly been given enough backing.
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: BlueForYou on October 10, 2017, 07:20:41 PM
Not good on the ball and poor form would justify dropping him



Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: Macca77 on October 10, 2017, 07:20:57 PM
Needs to be dropped asap
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on October 10, 2017, 07:26:33 PM
Needs to be dropped asap

Dropped for who though if Fumo and Jags are injured?
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: Macca77 on October 10, 2017, 07:27:08 PM
Dropped for who though if Fumo and Jags are injured?

Jags is fit
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on October 10, 2017, 07:32:07 PM
Jags is fit

That's alright then.
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: BlueForYou on October 10, 2017, 07:32:54 PM
Bring Feeney in
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: Rhys on October 10, 2017, 07:37:35 PM
Jags is still better and should be a starter with Keane for me. However when we have 3 games in a week Koeman doesnt seem to want to play Jags or Williams in all the games he has tended to take them both out for 1 game in the week. So while we have the Europa, and league cup for one game at least...I'd imagine we will see Jags and Williams rotating over the next couple of months with Keane being a constant and occasionally all 3 if he goes 3 at the back.
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: BlueForYou on October 10, 2017, 07:39:01 PM
At £17m we should have bought Maguire to play alongside Keane - too late now
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: blueToffee on October 10, 2017, 09:02:52 PM
Unless we're playing park the bus style football then I'd rather we not use him.
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: Lxxx on October 10, 2017, 09:09:59 PM
At £17m we should have bought Maguire to play alongside Keane - too late now

Is it?
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: Bluedylan on October 10, 2017, 09:21:37 PM
If you look at most of the problems in society, you can trace them all back to Ashley Williams if you really look into it.
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: Brownie20 on October 10, 2017, 09:26:01 PM
He looks a broken man to me
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: BlueForYou on October 10, 2017, 09:36:46 PM
Too late at £17m to sign Maguire - must be (nearly)double that now, if Leicester are willing to sell
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: Macca77 on October 10, 2017, 09:48:34 PM
His confidence is shot, the crowd are on edge every time the ball goes near him, he needs to be dropped, simple as that really
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: toffee_scot on October 10, 2017, 09:52:00 PM
I was quite pleased when we signed him and thought he would do a good job at Everton.

He's been disappointing this year though. I think he should be dropped for a period of time, I'm not entirely sure he's 'finished' but remember we've said that a few times about Jags but he has always come back and proved he can still defend, so maybe Williams can do the same.
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: The Analog Kid on October 10, 2017, 09:52:01 PM
How’s he gone from captaining his national side to a Euro semi, putting in very good displays, to this how he’s been playing of late?

He was never this bad at Swansea.
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: SANA_DR0 on October 10, 2017, 09:52:19 PM
He was never good enough and made these sort of mistakes at Swansea they were just brushed over because it’s “only Swansea” and they’re not very good defensively(erm hello!!).

Some of our squad building over the last 18 months has been poor given the money we’ve been spending. Thats one thing Koeman or Walsh won’t be able to complain about if they get the sack soon as they’ve certainly been given enough backing.


I've only seen Williams play well for Wales.. he had some heroic performances for them, but im basing that mostly off of the Euros, as i didnt watch much Wales or Swansea before that, i did feel his age would be an issue.

In regards to trasnfers, Walsh has bought/looked for young players, who have come into the under 23 setup or gone out on loan.. for that i cant fault him. Regardles Koeman wanted certain players Giroud, Martina, Siggy, Schneiderlin.. those are players Koeman should be able to mold and use, or atleast work with to improve.
I like what Walsh has done, i dont like what Koeman has done. (he needs to utalize the players who where on form and playing well last year, in there correct positions, or give players with some heart, who look like they go out and enjoy the game.. thats mostly youngsters, the older heads look like they have no confidence and whatever Koeman has tried with them, hasnt worked at all)
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: SANA_DR0 on October 10, 2017, 10:08:51 PM
Bring Feeney in

lol he's 18 1/2.. people moan about youngsters.. Kenny, Lookman, they also didnt even want DCL in the team.. lol

i wouldnt mind Holgate and Keane in the middle.
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: gizzblue on October 10, 2017, 10:19:09 PM
Put him in the yard and forget about him .....he's gone from bad to worse to fucking awful. ..great business by Swansea getting rid last year .
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: kramer0 on October 10, 2017, 10:19:59 PM
Koeman can barely hide his disdain for attacking players who give the ball away but he likes Ashley Williams.

Kind of amusing. Not that he has a lot of choice at centre back, mind you.
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: SANA_DR0 on October 10, 2017, 10:22:43 PM
Koeman can barely hide his disdain for attacking players who give the ball away but he likes Ashley Williams.

Kind of amusing. Not that he has a lot of choice at centre back, mind you.

Rhyno would be better than Williams at centre back  :bonk:
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: Lxxx on October 10, 2017, 10:40:56 PM
Williams you would have thought was a Koeman signing, 'for the present' as he liked to term it. Similar to Rooney, Martina and probably Schneiderlin. Our recruitment has been a bit patchy to say the least and how we have utilised them has been worse. Seems like we have a DoF working to one agenda and a manager working to another.

But yes Williams is now badly shite and needs dropping.
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: Brownie20 on October 10, 2017, 10:46:14 PM
How’s he gone from captaining his national side to a Euro semi, putting in very good displays, to this how he’s been playing of late?

He was never this bad at Swansea.

Age and being asked to play a different defensive system than at previous club. I still maintain that last season he was nowhere near as bad as people say, but this year he has regressed badly. Yet up until the mistake yesterday he wasn't having a bad game. Just seems that there is a big mistake in him every game now
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: Ross on October 10, 2017, 10:52:20 PM

I've only seen Williams play well for Wales.. he had some heroic performances for them, but im basing that mostly off of the Euros, as i didnt watch much Wales or Swansea before that, i did feel his age would be an issue.

In regards to trasnfers, Walsh has bought/looked for young players, who have come into the under 23 setup or gone out on loan.. for that i cant fault him. Regardles Koeman wanted certain players Giroud, Martina, Siggy, Schneiderlin.. those are players Koeman should be able to mold and use, or atleast work with to improve.
I like what Walsh has done, i dont like what Koeman has done. (he needs to utalize the players who where on form and playing well last year, in there correct positions, or give players with some heart, who look like they go out and enjoy the game.. thats mostly youngsters, the older heads look like they have no confidence and whatever Koeman has tried with them, hasnt worked at all)

Yeah he had a good tournament for Wales but most of them did didn’t they? It didn’t make him good enough for us and where we want to get to. It was terrible management to sell the most highly rated young English centrehalf in the league for a lot of money and replace him with a 31 year old who’s never been near the top of the game and always been part of porous defences. Especially as we already had a superior experienced defender here on the books. We should have looked for someone in their mid twenties reaching their peak who had the potential to make that step up here.

The general squad building probably deserves its own thread though but it does look like two influential people working at crossed purposes.
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: Brownie20 on October 10, 2017, 11:08:59 PM
Yeah he had a good tournament for Wales but most of them did didn’t they? It didn’t make him good enough for us and where we want to get to. It was terrible management to sell the most highly rated young English centrehalf in the league for a lot of money and replace him with a 31 year old who’s never been near the top of the game and always been part of porous defences. Especially as we already had a superior experienced defender here on the books. We should have looked for someone in their mid twenties reaching their peak who had the potential to make that step up here.

The general squad building probably deserves its own thread though but it does look like two influential people working at crossed purposes.

He's been good for Wales since he started, not just in the Euros. And @penguinofdoom1878 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=5053) might be able to correct me but I don't know a single Swansea fan who was happy to see him leave. So you can slag him off for us all you like, but I know your actual knowledge of him over a long period of time is limited to a few appearances on Sky
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 10, 2017, 11:13:49 PM
He was never good enough and made these sort of mistakes at Swansea they were just brushed over because it’s “only Swansea” and they’re not very good defensively(erm hello!!).

Some of our squad building over the last 18 months has been poor given the money we’ve been spending. Thats one thing Koeman or Walsh won’t be able to complain about if they get the sack soon as they’ve certainly been given enough backing.

Got to say I've very little faith in our first team building now. Not even so much the individuals (that's always hit and miss) more even forming a plan of action of realising what we do and don't need
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: Ross on October 10, 2017, 11:17:31 PM
He's been good for Wales since he started, not just in the Euros. And @penguinofdoom1878 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=5053) might be able to correct me but I don't know a single Swansea fan who was happy to see him leave. So you can slag him off for us all you like, but I know your actual knowledge of him over a long period of time is limited to a few appearances on Sky

There’s a massive difference between being “good enough” for Swansea and “good enough” for Everton.

They’ve never had a season in the premier league we’re the didn’t conceded 50 goals or more, doesn’t say much for this great leader of their defence I’d suggest.

Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: Brownie20 on October 10, 2017, 11:27:28 PM
There’s a massive difference between being “good enough” for Swansea and “good enough” for Everton.

They’ve never had a season in the premier league we’re the didn’t conceded 50 goals or more, doesn’t say much for this great leader of their defence I’d suggest.



Nothing like a bit of inverted snobbery is there? So does the same apply to Pickford, Keane and anyone else we've signed from a 'lower' club? It should if you're being consistent, but then those two haven't been the mainstay of their national team for a number of years yet
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 10, 2017, 11:33:03 PM
Put Holgate next to Keane (or Jags when Keane needs a breather), leave him alone and let him learn.

Same with Kenny at RB until Coleman returns.
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: Ross on October 10, 2017, 11:37:20 PM
Nothing like a bit of inverted snobbery is there? So does the same apply to Pickford, Keane and anyone else we've signed from a 'lower' club? It should if you're being consistent, but then those two haven't been the mainstay of their national team for a number of years yet

Of course not.

They’ve got higher potential and time on their sides to fulfil it that’s why both have been bought by a bigger club with higher expectations.
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: BlueForYou on October 10, 2017, 11:38:15 PM
If you're good enough, you're old enough and Feeney is good enough - players get selected for internationals at 18

If 18 is too young in some people's eyes, then that is discrimination and they should know better - especially when complaining about racism

Everton fans have never moaned about youngsters, they have always been the most supportive towards them and always will be







Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: blueToffee on October 10, 2017, 11:38:31 PM
Part of the problem with Williams is he doesn't have the track record with us for people to feel as confident that he'll turn it around. Most people would be happy to have Jagielka back in but he's also had a bit of a mare in relatively recent times (especially that run of giving away something silly like 3 penalties in row), but he turned it around and because we've seen years of him performing well we're more confident that the bad form is the aberration rather than the good form.
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: SANA_DR0 on October 10, 2017, 11:39:25 PM
Of course not.

They’ve got higher potential and time on their sides to fulfil it that’s why both have been bought by a bigger club with higher expectations.

and most likely will leave us for bigger clubs in the future.
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: 74Blue on October 10, 2017, 11:51:46 PM
and most likely will leave us for bigger clubs in the future.
...and if they do attract the even bigger clubs, it will because they are performing well at Everton and if sold, it will be for a very tidy profit.
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: Brownie20 on October 10, 2017, 11:55:20 PM
Of course not.

They’ve got higher potential and time on their sides to fulfil it that’s why both have been bought by a bigger club with higher expectations.

but that's not what you said. You said he wasn't good enough at Swansea or for Wales (which are both wrong). The fact he hasn't worked out is surprising and one we just have to accept. Ow and focus on replacing him in the January window
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: BlueBeagle on October 10, 2017, 11:55:35 PM
If you're good enough, you're old enough and Feeney is good enough - players get selected for internationals at 18

If 18 is too young in some people's eyes, then that is discrimination and they should know better - especially when complaining about racism


Are you actually being serious?
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: SANA_DR0 on October 10, 2017, 11:56:55 PM
...and if they do attract the even bigger clubs, it will because they are performing well at Everton and if sold, it will be for a very tidy profit.

indeed thats what i was eluding too, unlike Williams who we bought when he was on the downhill... but it was in regards to Brownie20's post regarding Williams and snobbery... the big difference is, these players are younger and will improve as they get older, while when you buy a 30 + year old., its very unlikely they will peak with you or even get better.

just cos Distin did it, (who always took care of his fitness) unlike someone who looks like he should be a boxing trainer.
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: BlueForYou on October 11, 2017, 12:02:34 AM
Serious about what?
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: 74Blue on October 11, 2017, 12:06:07 AM
indeed thats what i was eluding too, unlike Williams who we bought when he was on the downhill... but it was in regards to Brownie20's post regarding Williams and snobbery... the big difference is, these players are younger and will improve as they get older, while when you buy a 30 + year old., its very unlikely they will peak with you or even get better.

just cost Distin did it, (who always took care of his fitness) unlike someone who looks like he should be a boxing trainer.
I was actually reasonably happy when we signed Williams. At the time, it seemed like a decent signing. Centre halves do tend to peak a little later than other outfield players, so it was reasonable to assume that we were bringing in a player who would be right in his prime and we would get 3 years of him being solid at the back. We definitely got burned though and he looks fucking shot.
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: Coyb12 on October 11, 2017, 12:09:47 AM
Yard dog.
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: Ross on October 11, 2017, 12:10:58 AM
but that's not what you said. You said he wasn't good enough at Swansea or for Wales (which are both wrong). The fact he hasn't worked out is surprising and one we just have to accept. Ow and focus on replacing him in the January window

I’ve not said he wasn’t good enough for Wales. He clearly is after playing 80 odd games, but when the likes of James Collins, Sam Ricketts or Danny Gabbidon are you’re main rivals it’s no surprise.

He’s also plenty good enough for Swansea, as you said their fans hold him in high regard, it’s about standards and what you’re used to. Ours are higher than there’s, it’s that simple.
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: BlueForYou on October 11, 2017, 12:15:38 AM
A return to Swansea might suit - if Clement rates him
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: Brownie20 on October 11, 2017, 12:19:11 AM
indeed thats what i was eluding too, unlike Williams who we bought when he was on the downhill... but it was in regards to Brownie20's post regarding Williams and snobbery... the big difference is, these players are younger and will improve as they get older, while when you buy a 30 + year old., its very unlikely they will peak with you or even get better.

just cos Distin did it, (who always took care of his fitness) unlike someone who looks like he should be a boxing trainer.

I agree with the potential part but when someone says stuff like 'what's good enough for Swansea is not good enough for us' is the same thing we have criticised other fans for when talking about our players joining them. How many said the same about a crocked Peter Reid when he signed? Or Andy Gray? How many were fuming when we signed an aged Richard Gough? The point I'm trying to make is that clubs of all levels produce very good players who should not be written off simply because they play for XY or Z. No one could have predicted Williams' Form would deteriorate so rapidly since signing for us. When it was first mooted that Stones was going to be sold, many on here were happy to be linked with him. We signed him a year too late.
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: Paddockoldie on October 11, 2017, 12:21:00 AM
When we signed him I was quite hopeful he'd do well because he's more of a traditional centre half, but he's been shocking in some games and has cost us goals with him careless passing and mistakes. Need to replace and move on asap.
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: SANA_DR0 on October 11, 2017, 12:28:25 AM
I agree with the potential part but when someone says stuff like 'what's good enough for Swansea is not good enough for us' is the same thing we have criticised other fans for when talking about our players joining them. How many said the same about a crocked Peter Reid when he signed? Or Andy Gray? How many were fuming when we signed an aged Richard Gough? The point I'm trying to make is that clubs of all levels produce very good players who should not be written off simply because they play for XY or Z. No one could have predicted Williams' Form would deteriorate so rapidly since signing for us. When it was first mooted that Stones was going to be sold, many on here were happy to be linked with him. We signed him a year too late.

I agree on the first part,  but selling Stones with Williams being the main defender we bought in, was pretty bad for the team.. We offered 50 million for that Napoli defender (so Moshiri stated) but Mosh didnt want to pay the asking price of 60m.
We shouldnt have relied on solely Williams being the main CB we bought in that season, I think he;s a decent squad player, but he shouldnt have been bought in playing every match.
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: Brownie20 on October 11, 2017, 12:30:07 AM
I agree on the first part,  but selling Stones with Williams being the main defender we bought in, was pretty bad for the team.. We offered 50 million for that Napoli defender (so Moshiri stated) but Mosh didnt want to pay the asking price of 60m.
We shouldnt have relied on solely Williams being the main CB we bought in that season, I think he;s a decent squad player, but he shouldnt have been bought in playing every match.

Last season, definitely. But I'm on about when he was linked to Chelsea
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: BlueBeagle on October 11, 2017, 12:34:54 AM
Serious about what?

1) How the fuck can you possibly know that an 18 year old kid that has never played a single minute, not one minute, of senior football is ready to play against the likes of Kane, Morata, Lukaku etc?

2) People don't think he's ready because they are discriminating against him due to his age?

3) That racism is in any way comparable with this topic?
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: BlueForYou on October 11, 2017, 12:37:02 AM
Martinez wanted him at Everton, a player that he signed when manager of Swansea

Williams has come through the ranks - non-league, lower divisions, etc - and probably reached his zenith at the 2016 Euro competition

 

Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: BlueForYou on October 11, 2017, 12:44:45 AM
How do you find out if an 18 year old is good/not good enough to play in the Premiership?

If you don't play them at 18 just because of their age, ie, they are good enough - that is discrimination

Racism was mentioned on another topic and like age, sex, religion and disability, is a protected characteristic

Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: gizzblue on October 11, 2017, 12:51:43 AM
Ffs what happened to us blooding 16 year olds .. now we have some moaning about 18 year olds ...especially when the alternative is fucking Williams .
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: Rhys on October 11, 2017, 01:01:51 AM
How do you find out if an 18 year old is good/not good enough to play in the Premiership?

If you don't play them at 18 just because of their age, ie, they are good enough - that is discrimination

Racism was mentioned on another topic and like age, sex, religion and disability, is a protected characteristic



We don't as fans know or find out because we don't see them for hours every day on the training field. I've no idea if he is good enough or not, but there will be plenty of people watching him and the others every day who see what he is good at, what he isn't, what areas he can develop and also what his attitude is like, what personality is and how someone him or any other youngster might cope physically and mentally with playing top level football at a young age.

There is a huge amount to consider about when a player is ready to play top level football. And that's before the fact that centre half outside of keeper is probably the hardest position for a young player to come in because you can't bring them off the bench to ease them in, and the mistakes that get made costs games so it's harsh for them to come into and it's hard for managers when jobs are on the line to do it.

Stones was an anomaly to be as good as he was at 19, despite how people's views seemed to drop on him later in his time with us he was and still is a world class talent in that position. It's easy for us as fans to just say play a young player because if they play badly, affects them mentally, loses us games, hinders their chance of a successful career because they aren't ready there is nothing on the line for us making that call but there is for the manager, player and staff but they have the best view because of working with them over a long period of time.
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: Tofifee on October 11, 2017, 01:02:47 AM
This just in....

Ashley Williams is fukin uselss!
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: SANA_DR0 on October 11, 2017, 01:22:20 AM
How do you find out if an 18 year old is good/not good enough to play in the Premiership?

If you don't play them at 18 just because of their age, ie, they are good enough - that is discrimination

Racism was mentioned on another topic and like age, sex, religion and disability, is a protected characteristic

Racism has also been mentioned in the new today, to do with socio economics and football in general.

but all isms are fucked... especially if you follow/believe in those isms.
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: Martip on October 11, 2017, 01:28:40 AM
When we signed him I was chuffed having just watched him smashing it for Wales....can see why koeman went for him as he was the polar opposite of what everyone including me was moaning about after numerous john stones errors.

However the fact remains he has been shite and a waste of money so we need to move on and as harsh as it sounds demote him to boot cleaner. The days of acceptance are gone and we need players who are up to the task.
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: Tofifee on October 11, 2017, 01:34:13 AM
We should have hung onto Shane Duffy
Collossus last night
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: blue1948 on October 11, 2017, 01:35:15 AM
We don't as fans know or find out because we don't see them for hours every day on the training field. I've no idea if he is good enough or not, but there will be plenty of people watching him and the others every day who see what he is good at, what he isn't, what areas he can develop and also what his attitude is like, what personality is and how someone him or any other youngster might cope physically and mentally with playing top level football at a young age.

There is a huge amount to consider about when a player is ready to play top level football. And that's before the fact that centre half outside of keeper is probably the hardest position for a young player to come in because you can't bring them off the bench to ease them in, and the mistakes that get made costs games so it's harsh for them to come into and it's hard for managers when jobs are on the line to do it.

Stones was an anomaly to be as good as he was at 19, despite how people's views seemed to drop on him later in his time with us he was and still is a world class talent in that position. It's easy for us as fans to just say play a young player because if they play badly, affects them mentally, loses us games, hinders their chance of a successful career because they aren't ready there is nothing on the line for us making that call but there is for the manager, player and staff but they have the best view because of working with them over a long period of time.
Typical of your posts you are stating the obvious ,sorry ,not so obvious is the fact that lots of players start their first team careers at 16/17 ,just lower down in the leagues .Tom Davies is barely older than him but that is fine -If he is good enough he is old enough -the only way to find out is to play him .The comment about the training ground giving the management all they need to know is wrong ,no one can be sure until they have to do it on the pitch .
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: D15TIN on October 11, 2017, 01:35:57 AM
We should have hung onto Shane Duffy
Collossus last night

Easily said that now though isn't it?? Never particulary shone at Everton
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: penguinofdoom1878 on October 11, 2017, 02:25:02 AM
He's been good for Wales since he started, not just in the Euros. And @penguinofdoom1878 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=5053) might be able to correct me but I don't know a single Swansea fan who was happy to see him leave. So you can slag him off for us all you like, but I know your actual knowledge of him over a long period of time is limited to a few appearances on Sky

Nope they were gutted he left, even more so when the money they received for him wasn't reinvested in the experienced defender they were losing. However they wouldn't have him back now especially as Alfie Mawson is looking a very good defender for his young age and low fee, friend of mine was only saying today how Mawson is probably the only real sell able asset they have in the side.

I think we should have signed him 5/6 years ago though, he's not been brilliant but certainly not the disaster he's made out to be. Does look like he's aged 5 years during the off season.
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: Rhys on October 11, 2017, 04:11:25 AM
Typical of your posts you are stating the obvious ,sorry ,not so obvious is the fact that lots of players start their first team careers at 16/17 ,just lower down in the leagues .Tom Davies is barely older than him but that is fine -If he is good enough he is old enough -the only way to find out is to play him .The comment about the training ground giving the management all they need to know is wrong ,no one can be sure until they have to do it on the pitch .

But thats a myth that you dont know what they can do until they play, we dont know because thats where we get to see them. If we could see them in training every day we would have a much better idea of if a young player was ready and I'm sure there are plenty of the u23 squad we could look at and say that player isnt good enough/ready to play for the first team without them getting first team minutes. There is a massive clamour for Lookman to play, if we saw him train and not look ready there might be more of a feeling that he isnt good enough yet. (theoretical if that is the reason why he isnt playing of course..) And that is before you look at what they are doing in u23 games themselves.

There is an element of you dont know for sure and people might surprise you when they get picked, as I'm sure Davies surprised Koeman when he got his chance last year. But you are implying the only way of knowing if a young player is ready is by playing them, which is wrong.

Also how many players play in the premier league 16/17? It is very rare that players get played at that age because they need to physically able to cope as much as anything. Plus the point about Davies as I said it is easier for managers to use young players in midfield or attack than it is at centre half as shown by Davies coming off the bench a fair bit before getting the regular spot he did last season. At centre half you dont get those opportunities to get some minutes, impress and eventually get a chance to start some games.

And the point about plenty of 16-17 in the lower leagues, probably easier to loan him out and get some league experience rather than just throw him into the premier league in a tough position. You see people like Galloway who is of a decent level gets loaned out to the championship rather than stick him and see how he does here.
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: brap2 on October 11, 2017, 06:01:29 AM
He looks a broken man to me

Same.

Yes it was his mistake last night, but the real tragedy was how fucking flat footed and ponderous he was when he eventually tried to make up for it when it broke. The other Welsh player threw his hands up like what the fuck and only then did Williams try and get a move on, by which time the lad had about 3 or 4 yards on him.

Really not how I think of him over the last like 10 years, looks totally shattered.
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: brap2 on October 11, 2017, 06:09:25 AM
Apparently Foulds isn't going to make it with us.

I'd have hopes for that Lewis Gibson but no idea what sort of player he is.

When I've watched feeney he really impressed at that level but the idea of throwing him to the wolves when we have jags back fit and Holgate knocking about the squad doesn't really make any sense to me.

Throw him in he might be ready sounds a bit like dreamland count chocula stuff as well.
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: Jamokachi on October 11, 2017, 08:24:05 AM
A couple more shouts about his weight in this thread, utterly ridiculous. He may be out of form, but he's not out of shape.
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: everton1952 on October 11, 2017, 04:43:46 PM
The goalkeeper was at fault for the Ireland goal, not Williams.  A stupid throw out handed the initiative to the Irish and they took full advantage. Having said that, Williams is not good enough for us that is for certain.  Koeman must replace him in the transfer window.
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: Ramjam on October 11, 2017, 04:51:58 PM
The goalkeeper was at fault for the Ireland goal, not Williams.  A stupid throw out handed the initiative to the Irish and they took full advantage. Having said that, Williams is not good enough for us that is for certain.  Koeman must replace him in the transfer window.

Koeman won’t be here in January to replace anyone
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: everton1952 on October 11, 2017, 04:56:59 PM
My crystal ball may be a bit older than yours and I can't see much beyond lunch time today. Can you see in yours who his replacement will be?
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: Ramjam on October 11, 2017, 05:00:23 PM
My crystal ball may be a bit older than yours and I can't see much beyond lunch time today. Can you see in yours who his replacement will be?

Wish I could to be honest but the options are scarce, my gut feeling is Unsey until the end of the season and possibly beyond that depending on results and performances
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: Ramjam on October 11, 2017, 05:01:34 PM
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: everton1952 on October 11, 2017, 05:07:54 PM
Hang on.. mine is getting a bit clearer. I can't see the manager's face clearly but whoever it is keeps repeating "Well OK" in a foreign accent.
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: Lxxx on October 11, 2017, 05:11:34 PM
I actually feel a little for him. He hit his peak in his last season at Swansea and has been declining since. He's now playing under more pressure and it seems to have sent him backwards. He often looks embarrassed and tries to hide under his shirt as he knows he's letting himself and the team down but for some reason either his body or brain or both aren't up to it at the minute. He needs a spell out of the side to maybe refocus and come back in when the team is hopefully in a better place. 
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: Ross on October 11, 2017, 05:13:35 PM
Hang on.. mine is getting a bit clearer. I can't see the manager's face clearly but whoever it is keeps repeating "Well OK" in a foreign accent.

Sounds like it might be a watered down version of Koeman..



Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: Ramjam on October 11, 2017, 05:38:43 PM
Sounds like it might be a watered down version of Koeman..

Maybe it a 70s porno with a slutty looking school teacher saying well ok I’ll suck that
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: Bluenose 91 on October 11, 2017, 06:37:00 PM
Frightening to think that he's still genuinely better than Funes Mori as well.
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: gizzblue on October 11, 2017, 07:18:56 PM
Frightening to think that he's still genuinely better than Funes Mori as well.
Debatable on recent showing ...Mori is dangerous and a card waiting to happen but Williams cuts out the middle man and hands goals to the opponent
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: Waltzer on October 11, 2017, 07:32:10 PM
Debatable on recent showing ...Mori is dangerous and a card waiting to happen but Williams cuts out the middle man and hands goals to the opponent

Id have an injured Funes Mori over Williams at the moment
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 11, 2017, 08:22:53 PM
I actually feel a little for him. He hit his peak in his last season at Swansea and has been declining since. He's now playing under more pressure and it seems to have sent him backwards. He often looks embarrassed and tries to hide under his shirt as he knows he's letting himself and the team down but for some reason either his body or brain or both aren't up to it at the minute. He needs a spell out of the side to maybe refocus and come back in when the team is hopefully in a better place. 

I agree.  For one, he's being asked to do too much.  For twos, his failings have just been more obvious/easy to recognize on the teevee box, so he bears the brunt of Everton's collective failures.

I mean, it's surely not just on him.  Not to excuse his play entirely, but the last thing this group of PLAYERS merits is a scapegoat.  The bag of fault is deep and wide, my Transatlantic imaginary friends.
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: TheRam on October 11, 2017, 08:50:16 PM
Mori over Willams all day for me like.

Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: BlueForYou on October 11, 2017, 08:54:32 PM
Play 'em together - worst of both worlds!
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 11, 2017, 08:56:34 PM
You get a certain madcap joy watching Funes Mori play, anyway.  As if Hunter S. Thompson were playing CB.
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: BlueForYou on October 11, 2017, 09:16:28 PM
Thompson and Herbie Hide
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: D15TIN on October 11, 2017, 10:35:00 PM
Frightening to think that he's still genuinely better than Funes Mori as well.
I'd have mori over Williams in a heartbeat, also a left footed option at CB
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: BlueBeagle on October 11, 2017, 11:13:56 PM
I agree.  For one, he's being asked to do too much.

But it's not anything that you'd consider secondary (playing the ball out or spraying crossfield balls for example) that he's doing pathetically,  it's bread and butter defending.
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: Lxxx on October 11, 2017, 11:14:31 PM
I never thought I'd want Mori over another player in my life. I do think there's a bit of an 'anyone but Williams' mentality and people will soon remember why we all thought Mori was shite within 10 minutes of him coming back but it'll be a nice 10 minutes of hope.
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 11, 2017, 11:16:02 PM
But it's not anything that you'd consider secondary (playing the ball out or spraying crossfield balls for example) that he's doing pathetically,  it's bread and butter defending.

Leading the line (when Keane isn't available), playing too many matches.  It's trickling down into the basics, methinks.

He should be the 4th choice CB.  In that capacity, he'd probably still be ok.
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: Lxxx on October 11, 2017, 11:58:08 PM
He's low on confidence and ageing and when that happens you start doing the basics poorly. We've all been there, or the ones who have played regular football at a decent level. You make silly decisions, you hoof the ball when a simple pass would do if your mind was clear enough to spot it, you lunge in to make sure you don't get isolated but you get there too late because you've thought about it for a split second longer than normal.
I played centre half for years and whilst clearly not at anywhere near this level the psychology is the same as it's all relative, only every mistake is magnified 1000 fold at the top level and the players you play against are more unforgiving.
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: Mayor Farnum on October 12, 2017, 12:22:06 AM
I think we all agree that he's not great but I think he is better than he's been showing. I think it's time to draw a line now and get behind him. It may just be the boost he needs to get into some decent or at least reliable form.
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: BlueForYou on October 12, 2017, 12:24:06 AM
Good post - and the same goes for Colonel Koeman
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: Coyb12 on October 12, 2017, 01:32:49 AM
I think we all agree that he's not great but I think he is better than he's been showing. I think it's time to draw a line now and get behind him. It may just be the boost he needs to get into some decent or at least reliable form.
He is an absolute disaster waiting to happen,utter dross and should not play again.
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: The Analog Kid on October 12, 2017, 02:03:16 AM
I can’t remember whether it was the Burnley game or the Ireland game just after either had scored, but the look on his face and in his eyes just resembled that of a man who’s at his lowest. I remember Stones getting abuse from the crowd one game, more than usual, and his confidence went to shit, he just looked like he wanted the ground to open up and swallow him at the time.
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: oscar on October 12, 2017, 02:21:45 AM
We don’t get behind the team at all, just sit round waiting to have a moan.
Don’t even sing the Seamus Coleman song any more our support is embarrassing
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: Brownie20 on October 12, 2017, 02:24:28 AM
I can’t remember whether it was the Burnley game or the Ireland game just after either had scored, but the look on his face and in his eyes just resembled that of a man who’s at his lowest. I remember Stones getting abuse from the crowd one game, more than usual, and his confidence went to shit, he just looked like he wanted the ground to open up and swallow him at the time.

Definitely- and the worse thing is that Wales has probably been his sanctuary at the moment and he has been playing well for us. He's only partially at fault hit the goal on Monday - Wayne Hennessy must take his share.There's also allegations that Robbie Brady head butted him off the ball prior to the goal. His reaction to losing the ball may have been a result or not. I feel for him at the moment, I really do. To see the man who has lead my country so well over the past few years reduced to a shell and to see some of the comments about him make me sad. The only thing I am truly critical of him was not staying on the pitch to applaud the fans on Monday.
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: The Analog Kid on October 12, 2017, 02:34:47 AM
Definitely- and the worse thing is that Wales has probably been his sanctuary at the moment and he has been playing well for us. He's only partially at fault hit the goal on Monday - Wayne Hennessy must take his share.There's also allegations that Robbie Brady head butted him off the ball prior to the goal. His reaction to losing the ball may have been a result or not. I feel for him at the moment, I really do. To see the man who has lead my country so well over the past few years reduced to a shell and to see some of the comments about him make me sad. The only thing I am truly critical of him was not staying on the pitch to applaud the fans on Monday.

I’m hoping the World Cup loss doesn’t affect him further going into the next lot of fixtures. A win against Ireland would’ve been magnificent for his confidence but that shit is hard to take for anyone.

Hopefully the break has done all our non-playing players a bit of good and we get up and running Sunday.
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: brap2 on October 12, 2017, 03:17:26 AM
Mad and I'd probably immediately regret it the first time he swung one of those wild legs up and completely missed a ball dropping over his shoulder, but I'd have Mori over Williams sure.
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: Shogun on October 12, 2017, 03:52:13 AM
I'd have Besic over Ashley Williams.

The bloke is making a major mistake every single game.

The only thing I can say in his favour is that it's Koeman's fault for selecting him.
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: blue1948 on October 12, 2017, 12:01:07 PM
But thats a myth that you dont know what they can do until they play, we dont know because thats where we get to see them. If we could see them in training every day we would have a much better idea of if a young player was ready and I'm sure there are plenty of the u23 squad we could look at and say that player isnt good enough/ready to play for the first team without them getting first team minutes. There is a massive clamour for Lookman to play, if we saw him train and not look ready there might be more of a feeling that he isnt good enough yet. (theoretical if that is the reason why he isnt playing of course..) And that is before you look at what they are doing in u23 games themselves.

There is an element of you dont know for sure and people might surprise you when they get picked, as I'm sure Davies surprised Koeman when he got his chance last year. But you are implying the only way of knowing if a young player is ready is by playing them, which is wrong.

Also how many players play in the premier league 16/17? It is very rare that players get played at that age because they need to physically able to cope as much as anything. Plus the point about Davies as I said it is easier for managers to use young players in midfield or attack than it is at centre half as shown by Davies coming off the bench a fair bit before getting the regular spot he did last season. At centre half you dont get those opportunities to get some minutes, impress and eventually get a chance to start some games.

And the point about plenty of 16-17 in the lower leagues, probably easier to loan him out and get some league experience rather than just throw him into the premier league in a tough position. You see people like Galloway who is of a decent level gets loaned out to the championship rather than stick him and see how he does here.
You are a one for twisting words -I said that the only way to be sure is when they are on the pitch -Of course that applies for all players and is indisputable ask Sandro or Claasen ,both of whom I have the greatest admiration for and am sure that they will both come good .So you don't try to twist my words again ,the management can be pretty sure the players are not ready but never sure that they are .
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: Toddacelli on October 12, 2017, 12:31:26 PM
Yard dog.

Not heard that in years but it is exactly what my dad would have said and I heard it in his voice when I read it. Thanks for the warm fuzzies  :)
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: Toddacelli on October 12, 2017, 12:53:03 PM
Besic and Fumo both better options for me.

Or we could play them together and possiby finish the game with no CB's on the pitch?
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: brap2 on October 12, 2017, 03:10:57 PM
You are a one for twisting words -I said that the only way to be sure is when they are on the pitch -Of course that applies for all players and is indisputable ask Sandro or Claasen ,both of whom I have the greatest admiration for and am sure that they will both come good .So you don't try to twist my words again ,the management can be pretty sure the players are not ready but never sure that they are .

I don't get your point you know, are you saying throw him in he might be ready and there's no way to know unless he's in there?
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: Bluenose 91 on October 12, 2017, 07:01:58 PM
Williams at the very least can defend quite well.  It's his distribution that's led to a lot of his recent mistakes. 

He is shite Williams like don't get me wrong but Funes Mori is genuinely woeful at every aspect of defending and football in general for this level.

Horrible player.
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: bigmanbob on October 12, 2017, 08:43:48 PM
Imagine if we had Fumes Mori  and Besic centre back, it would be highly entertaining carnage
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: blue1948 on October 12, 2017, 08:56:35 PM
I don't get your point you know, are you saying throw him in he might be ready and there's no way to know unless he's in there?
Yes I am sort of .What I am  saying is that it is impossible to know unless you try him in the first team .Cometh' the hour sort of thinking as wit Colin Harvey against Inter .I am not saying throw him in, just that you will never know until you do .
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: Lxxx on October 13, 2017, 12:56:41 AM
I think I just read that someone wanted Besic in instead of Williams.
I'll put it down to an alternate universe and some sort of space/time glitch.
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: Brownie20 on October 13, 2017, 02:08:57 AM
From Rats

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everybody-wrong-evertons-ashley-williams-13752034
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: Audrey Horne on October 13, 2017, 02:29:20 AM
From Rats

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everybody-wrong-evertons-ashley-williams-13752034

well he is Welsh so of course he is defending him...
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: Brownie20 on October 13, 2017, 02:41:04 AM
well he is Welsh so of course he is defending him...

I thought you were better than that 😔





I am only joking with this reply
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: brap2 on October 13, 2017, 03:46:05 AM
I do think if there was less onus on our centre backs to play it they wouldn't be hoofing as much.

They basically need Gareth Barry there to come and get it off them but we sold him.
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: The Analog Kid on October 13, 2017, 04:47:16 AM
Ratcliffe is defending something connected with us? 🤔

You wouldn’t think he was once the former CWC, League and FA Cup winning captain with us, all’s he does is slag us off.
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: Bally on October 13, 2017, 12:13:51 PM
Ratcliffe is defending something connected with us? 🤔

You wouldn't think he was once the former CWC, League and FA Cup winning captain with us, all's he does is slag us off.
So does Ronnie Goodlass and he's got a job on local fucking radio.
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: bigmanbob on October 13, 2017, 05:49:47 PM
Ratcliffe is talking out his arse there.  My opinion of Williams being cack on the ball was formed well before his recent mishaps against Limasol and the Welsh one (which he's right to say wasn't his fault)

His passing is consistently wayward and he only seems to be anywhere near accurate when it's a long punt, Jags is also prone to going long too much but he's miles better than Williams with the ball at his feet
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: Thomas on October 20, 2017, 02:37:24 AM
Just the by product of a backward yard dog loving fan base who stupidly didn't rate stones yet admired an aging Swansea captain as a "defender who could defend". Lol
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: Audrey Horne on October 20, 2017, 02:55:06 AM
Just the by product of a backward yard dog loving fan base who stupidly didn't rate stones yet admired an aging Swansea captain as a "defender who could defend". Lol

Oh shut up
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: BlueBeagle on October 20, 2017, 03:23:52 AM
Oh look, Thomas is back out the woodwork lumping all Everton fans into one grossly exaggerated stereotype that loves cloggers whilst hating any sign of flair.

Standard.
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 20, 2017, 03:31:34 AM
Thought hes been quite good today. Made a couple of great tackles when weve been caught on the counter. Our best defender today by an absolute mile
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: TheRam on October 20, 2017, 04:20:46 AM
Fair play to him tonight.

Must be grim having to defend with Holgate, Keane and martina around you.
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: Coyb12 on October 20, 2017, 04:27:20 AM
Fair play to him tonight.

Must be grim having to defend with Holgate, Keane and martina around you.
You're right,but he is still cack.
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: SANA_DR0 on October 20, 2017, 04:32:08 AM
probably the best i've seen him play for us this season..

few matches ago i said he looked like a boxer.. got some punches in tonight.. thought he was going to be sent off..
that push on the keeper was a yellow, plus the other shit he did, weak referring.. but we got a goal for it..
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: Silas on October 20, 2017, 04:33:45 AM
He was man of the match tonight for me. Not that many were in line but he stepped up
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: Mayor Farnum on October 20, 2017, 04:35:19 AM
I think he looked ok tonight. That ruck and the goal may have started to change the crowd's perception of him. Unfortunately, all that will get lost because of the result and he'll be back to square one.
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: Jimmywhack on October 20, 2017, 04:38:03 AM
Thought he was poor and got beaten too easy for the second goal.
He did take his goal well but was lucky to stay on and lucky again after with a headed challenge that was a booking

He may have looked OK cos Holgate and Martina were poor and Keane was absolutely fucking shocking
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: Ross on October 20, 2017, 04:39:36 AM
He’s a liability time and again from a pure football perspective and now his heads carried and he’s mentally weak.
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: boothill on October 20, 2017, 04:39:46 AM
He is miles better than glen kealy
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: Thornton_19 on October 20, 2017, 05:43:37 AM
It was his fault getting beaten for the second goal. Just because he kicked off and should of seen red doesn't mean he had a good game. Bang average again.
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: Lxxx on October 20, 2017, 05:51:57 AM
Feel for him. He knows he's past his best but knows he still needs to try and be a leader in an underperforming team.
Not a nice place to be professionally. At least he still gives his all, which unfortunately isn't good enough anymore though.
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: TheRam on October 20, 2017, 05:53:04 AM
Not blaming him for that goal like.

What the fuck is Keane doing for starters?
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: Jimmywhack on October 20, 2017, 05:54:29 AM
Not blaming him for that goal like.

What the fuck is Keane doing for starters?
He had a fucking nightmare
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 20, 2017, 01:56:02 PM
Our best defender by an absolute mile tonight even before he scored.
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: Lazarou on October 20, 2017, 02:31:53 PM
Disgrace of a captain, that brawl was a disgrace, yes he scored but it was free header. I am embarrassed as a Evertonian by that brawl, and he incited it.

The club is eating itself.
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: Brownie20 on October 20, 2017, 02:48:06 PM
Disgrace of a captain, that brawl was a disgrace, yes he scored but it was free header. I am embarrassed as a Evertonian by that brawl, and he incited it.

The club is eating itself.

The brawl doesn't embarass me. It showed a bit of heart and fight for a change. The action of the fan does though
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: Lxxx on October 20, 2017, 02:48:29 PM
Disgrace of a captain, that brawl was a disgrace, yes he scored but it was free header. I am embarrassed as a Evertonian by that brawl, and he incited it.

The club is eating itself.

The brawl was an attempt to instil some passion into the performance. It was misguided, off the cuff and as you say embarrassing.
It worked temporarily by geeing up the crowd but if that's what it takes to get everyone to raise the tempo for 10 minutes we're in a bad way.
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: Lazarou on October 20, 2017, 02:51:50 PM
The brawl doesn't embarass me. It showed a bit of heart and fight for a change. The action of the fan does though

Yeah that is true, knobhead behaviour all round. But I do expect better as a captain of Everton (and Wales).
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: Brownie20 on October 20, 2017, 04:13:41 PM
Yeah that is true, knobhead behaviour all round. But I do expect better as a captain of Everton (and Wales).

Frustration, passion, anger - all of those were in that challenge last night. Yes, it was misguided but the Lyon players were the ones who rushed in with their handbags flying. I've got no problem with Everton players going for it in those situations.

I've been in the middle of those types of scuffles more times than I care to remember - sometimes I've been the cause of them, others I've been defending. You almost always come out stronger as a group of players after something like that.
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: brap2 on October 20, 2017, 04:26:22 PM
Brainless stuff like, what the fuck was that challenge on the keeper about?
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: Lxxx on October 20, 2017, 04:28:50 PM
Brainless stuff like, what the fuck was that challenge on the keeper about?

Frustration. Wanting to incite a bit of passion both on and off the pitch. Attempt at leadership. All a bit misguided but it worked, for about 15 minutes.
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: Lazarou on October 20, 2017, 04:30:13 PM
Koeman said it was something to do with being frustrated by all the diving from Lyon.
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: Lxxx on October 20, 2017, 04:32:45 PM
Koeman said it was something to do with being frustrated by all the diving from Lyon.

It's Europe, it's to be expected. He's experienced enough to know all this.
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: Lazarou on October 20, 2017, 04:38:47 PM
It's Europe, it's to be expected. He's experienced enough to know all this.

Totally agree, just thought it was strange Koeman trying to justify it, when really he should be condemning Williams, but then again probably best kept in house.

If you aint got anything good to say then don't say anything, would probably have been the best policy.

Looks like we will probably get fined or something all started by his behaviour.
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: Brownie20 on October 20, 2017, 04:42:21 PM
It's Europe, it's to be expected. He's experienced enough to know all this.

Easy to say, difficult not to react.
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: BlueForYou on October 20, 2017, 04:49:20 PM
When it rains, it pours
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 20, 2017, 05:02:17 PM
The brawl doesn't embarass me. It showed a bit of heart and fight for a change. The action of the fan does though

People want to be less sensitive if they are embarrassed by that. A lot of our problem is we are so fucking passive. There was very little to the "brawl" not even sure that a punch was thrown
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: Brownie20 on October 20, 2017, 05:14:40 PM
People want to be less sensitive if they are embarrassed by that. A lot of our problem is we are so fucking passive. There was very little to the "brawl" not even sure that a punch was thrown

Which bit? The fan getting involved I can't accept. Those type of actions can cost the club massively
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: Simon Paul on October 20, 2017, 05:16:26 PM
Which bit? The fan getting involved I can't accept. Those type of actions can cost the club massively

the club are banning him and are making a complaint against him to the police
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: dekko on October 20, 2017, 05:17:54 PM
He should’ve been sent off and he would’ve put the team in a more difficult situation. Unprofessional.
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: Lazarou on October 20, 2017, 05:22:33 PM
He should’ve been sent off and he would’ve put the team in a more difficult situation. Unprofessional.

Good point about the sending off. Everyone likes to see passion but that was just alehouse football.
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 20, 2017, 05:22:49 PM
Which bit? The fan getting involved I can't accept. Those type of actions can cost the club massively

No I meant Williams and the rest of the players. The fan is just a dick head
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: Bluedylan on October 20, 2017, 05:29:29 PM
A fan is a fan. You can't control the actions of 30 odd thousand people, or legislate for every one of them.

Ashley Williams, on the other hand, is an embarrassment. Lost his head completely, as a senior player, and should've been given a red. I find it a bit ridiculous that anyone's defending him.
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: chang on October 20, 2017, 05:31:23 PM
These type of incidents just don't help those of us who want the fans near the pitch at new stadium ...
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 20, 2017, 05:37:13 PM
A fan is a fan. You can't control the actions of 30 odd thousand people, or legislate for every one of them.

Ashley Williams, on the other hand, is an embarrassment. Lost his head completely, as a senior player, and should've been given a red. I find it a bit ridiculous that anyone's defending him.

Who even cares. He wasn't. We lost anyway. He was probably our best player. We've been defending the inept on and off all season long. Every member of that team have cost us at points this season. He could have cost us but didn't is the least of our problems
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: Brownie20 on October 20, 2017, 05:53:20 PM
A fan is a fan. You can't control the actions of 30 odd thousand people, or legislate for every one of them.

Ashley Williams, on the other hand, is an embarrassment. Lost his head completely, as a senior player, and should've been given a red. I find it a bit ridiculous that anyone's defending him.

Yes he should've been by today's standards, but he wasn't. Just put yourself in his shoes for a moment. He's had a mare of a season, he's been criticised by his fan base on a regular basis and he's just played a part in costing his national team a chance to get to a WC. He knows how important this game is, he's become frustrated at the tactics of the opposition. Sometimes your head goes. I've done things like that on a rugby pitch in high pressure games. We're all human. We've asked for the players to show a bit of passion, they have. If Mo Besic or Gana had done it I'd support them too. Now let's see if there's a reaction against Arsenal
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: Ross on October 20, 2017, 06:06:37 PM
A fan is a fan. You can't control the actions of 30 odd thousand people, or legislate for every one of them.

Ashley Williams, on the other hand, is an embarrassment. Lost his head completely, as a senior player, and should've been given a red. I find it a bit ridiculous that anyone's defending him.

He’s great for Wales..
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: Brownie20 on October 20, 2017, 06:31:57 PM
He’s great for Wales..

You used to be a really good poster, who would make relevant contributions. All that's missing from that post is the rolling eyes emoji. What happened to you?
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: Ross on October 20, 2017, 06:35:54 PM
You used to be a really good poster, who would make relevant contributions. All that's missing from that post is the rolling eyes emoji. What happened to you?

If Williams was Scottish or French or Chinese, anything other than Welsh there’s no way you’d trying to offer any defence of him.

He’s indefensible and it’s getting worse and you’re excuses are getting worse.

Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: Brownie20 on October 20, 2017, 06:43:47 PM
If Williams was Scottish or French or Chinese, anything other than Welsh there’s no way you’d trying to offer any defence of him.

He’s indefensible and it’s getting worse and you’re excuses are getting worse.



Really? You know that for a fact do you? You go through every post I've ever posted on here and find me an example of me ever doing anything other than supporting someone in a Blue shirt even when they are playing badly. I'll save you the time though - you won't find them. I have said he's playing badly for us on a number of occasions, but I've also said that he's playing well for Wales. However, after his part in the mistake that led to the Ireland goal I criticised him for that. In regards to last night's incident, as I have said, I would have supported any of our players who did that. I'll even put it out there now - I hate the fact that the physical aspect has gone out of football. I want to see players smash each other up and not get sent off over it. I want a mixture of the grace and skill with the power. What can I say? I'm a guy who likes physicality, I would've been right in the middle of that last night.
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: Jimmywhack on October 20, 2017, 06:49:04 PM
Lets face it, it was a fucking stupid thing to do but I am sure a lot of us, whilst playing sports and getting frustrated have lashed out, I know I have on numerous occasions.

There has been a bit of an over reaction maybe, specially from a fan base that rates Duncan Ferguson as a Legend

The fan with the kid tho, no that's a bellend
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: pjk on October 20, 2017, 06:52:18 PM
Williams played well last night. He had a hand in their second goal and there was the fracas he was involved in. He played with a passion though, it's something we've been sadly lacking. If it hadn't have been for the two negative aspects of the game he was involved in, he would have been my outfield player MOM, hands down.
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: BlueBeagle on October 20, 2017, 06:52:48 PM
You used to be a really good poster

When?
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: Brownie20 on October 20, 2017, 06:54:44 PM
When?

It was a Tuesday I think, about 4 years ago
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: Brownie20 on October 20, 2017, 07:07:17 PM
Williams played well last night. He had a hand in their second goal and there was the fracas he was involved in. He played with a passion though, it's something we've been sadly lacking. If it hadn't have been for the two negative aspects of the game he was involved in, he would have been my outfield player MOM, hands down.

Careful, you will be accused of being a biased Welshman in a minute 😉
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: Rodenplav64 on October 20, 2017, 07:11:00 PM
Really? You know that for a fact do you? You go through every post I've ever posted on here and find me an example of me ever doing anything other than supporting someone in a Blue shirt even when they are playing badly. I'll save you the time though - you won't find them. I have said he's playing badly for us on a number of occasions, but I've also said that he's playing well for Wales. However, after his part in the mistake that led to the Ireland goal I criticised him for that. In regards to last night's incident, as I have said, I would have supported any of our players who did that. I'll even put it out there now - I hate the fact that the physical aspect has gone out of football. I want to see players smash each other up and not get sent off over it. I want a mixture of the grace and skill with the power. What can I say? I'm a guy who likes physicality, I would've been right in the middle of that last night.

I don't care if he is Welsh or passionate as he is purely and simply not good enough to be playing at Everton . If you like physicality watch boxing as I don't want to watch anyone getting smashed on a sports field . Rugby players should be charged with ABH every time they smash someone in a way that would see me or you down the local plod shop .
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: Brownie20 on October 20, 2017, 07:13:27 PM
I don't care if he is Welsh or passionate as he is purely and simply not good enough to be playing at Everton . If you like physicality watch boxing as I don't want to watch anyone getting smashed on a sports field . Rugby players should be charged with ABH every time they smash someone in a way that would see me or you down the local plod shop .

So you wouldn't have watched football in the 70s and 80s then?
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: pjk on October 20, 2017, 07:19:51 PM
Careful, you will be accused of being a biased Welshman in a minute 😉



The Welsh generally, are good people IMO. Ashley Williams too. But... only if he plays well. ;)
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: Rodenplav64 on October 20, 2017, 07:21:18 PM
So you wouldn't have watched football in the 70s and 80s then?

I did and I don't like the fanny behaviour and theatrical antics but there is a massive difference in someone taking out your £50 million investment for the season . Better or worse the game has changed . As for the difference in the sports just look at what you get charged by the FA for in respect of violent conduct compared to what the RFU turn a blind eye to .
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 20, 2017, 07:22:18 PM
I don't care if he is Welsh or passionate as he is purely and simply not good enough to be playing at Everton . If you like physicality watch boxing as I don't want to watch anyone getting smashed on a sports field . Rugby players should be charged with ABH every time they smash someone in a way that would see me or you down the local plod shop .

You might very well be right. If we are listing all the players that aren't good enough to play for a successful Everton we'll be left with about 4 and 2 of them might come back from long term injury half the players they were

People's problem with what Williams did last night is mainly that it was Williams. He's on the list now. Doesn't matter how he plays it's his fault. He even gets the blame for Keane being shit most weeks
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: The Analog Kid on October 20, 2017, 07:25:48 PM
I hope he plays a blinder Sunday.

Not really arsed what he did to their keeper to spark it all off, some of their players were little shithouses, lying down every two minutes fuckin crying.
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: Rodenplav64 on October 20, 2017, 07:31:29 PM
You might very well be right. If we are listing all the players that aren't good enough to play for a successful Everton we'll be left with about 4 and 2 of them might come back from long term injury half the players they were

People's problem with what Williams did last night is mainly that it was Williams. He's on the list now. Doesn't matter how he plays it's his fault. He even gets the blame for Keane being shit most weeks

He was poor signing and is playing poorly most weeks . Everyone is being hindered by Koeman though and none more so than the defence who are swapped about with alarming regularity . However , if he can't get it right with his team then the next man in has a load of shite on his plate . At least Williams is out of contract at the end of the season .
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: Rodenplav64 on October 20, 2017, 07:32:32 PM
I hope he plays a blinder Sunday.

Not really arsed what he did to their keeper to spark it all off, some of their players were little shithouses, lying down every two minutes fuckin crying.

I hope he is not even in the squad .
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: Brownie20 on October 20, 2017, 07:34:19 PM
I did and I don't like the fanny behaviour and theatrical antics but there is a massive difference in someone taking out your £50 million investment for the season . Better or worse the game has changed . As for the difference in the sports just look at what you get charged by the FA for in respect of violent conduct compared to what the RFU turn a blind eye to .

Without getting into a rugby debate there is plenty of retrospective punishment dished out in rugby for incidents of foul play. And to just show that rugby players do get punished for acts of violence on the pitch the below link is from a game I played in, with my mate being the one who went down

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/it-hard-punch--just-2152148.amp
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 20, 2017, 07:35:17 PM
I hope he is not even in the squad .

Rather than him playing really well?
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 20, 2017, 07:35:40 PM
Yes he should've been by today's standards, but he wasn't. Just put yourself in his shoes for a moment. He's had a mare of a season, he's been criticised by his fan base on a regular basis and he's just played a part in costing his national team a chance to get to a WC. He knows how important this game is, he's become frustrated at the tactics of the opposition. Sometimes your head goes. I've done things like that on a rugby pitch in high pressure games. We're all human. We've asked for the players to show a bit of passion, they have. If Mo Besic or Gana had done it I'd support them too. Now let's see if there's a reaction against Arsenal

It was a "desperate times call for desperate measures" kind of action.  It was a REALLY big gamble, and had he been sent off, nobody could have complained.  But he didn't do anything that could have really injured anyone, or ruined somebody's livelihood.  I don't think it crosses those kind of lines.  He just did something desperate, to try to save this team, and inject life into the corpse.  Knowing he would be slated for it.
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: claimabstract on October 20, 2017, 07:36:13 PM
I hope he plays a blinder Sunday.

Not really arsed what he did to their keeper to spark it all off, some of their players were little shithouses, lying down every two minutes fuckin crying.

We were down at that point, with only a goal difference and thus a chance to get back in the game, and he did it without the distraction of open play, when the officials had nothing else to look at. Apart from being reckless when the keeper was so close to the edge of the pitch, it was plain stupid. We could have been down a player. Not behaviour deserving of captaincy.
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: Rodenplav64 on October 20, 2017, 07:38:41 PM
Without getting into a rugby debate there is plenty of retrospective punishment dished out in rugby for incidents of foul play. And to just show that rugby players do get punished for acts of violence on the pitch the below link is from a game I played in, with my mate being the one who went down

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/it-hard-punch--just-2152148.amp

Like I say I can't stand fanny antics but your mate deserved to go down end of .
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: claimabstract on October 20, 2017, 07:38:41 PM
But he didn't do anything that could have really injured anyone, or ruined somebody's livelihood.

I disagree. He did it near the edge of the pitch where the level drops. The keeper could have readily done in his ankle or his knee, or gotten a concussion. Such a push ended my dad's career.
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: Rodenplav64 on October 20, 2017, 07:40:29 PM
Rather than him playing really well?

Put someone else in who might also play well .
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: The Analog Kid on October 20, 2017, 07:52:04 PM
There’s some proper fuckin haters on ere isn’t there?
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: Brownie20 on October 20, 2017, 07:59:33 PM
Like I say I can't stand fanny antics but your mate deserved to go down end of .


i gave evidence in that trial. Dirtiest game I have ever played in. Canton turned up with the intention of doing nothing but fighting. They couldn't live with us as a rugby team. He was only on the pitch as a substitute for me. I got gouged in the first half and twatted from behind at a ruck. I was taken off to stop myself getting sent off as I'd had the coward who hit me by the throat and would have probably killed him. My mate was involved in a scuffle. He was tackled off the ball and the guy jumped on top of him and rained down punches. It took three of us to drag him off. As he walked off he ran back at Him and shouted 'Hve some more of this you fat cunt!' He hit him. It was just one of those punches that connected too perfectly. Sickening sound when it happened. He was devastated but the guy actually apologises to Paul and said that he deserved it as he was the antagonist. The trial was really bad, some of the stuff that was given as evidence was just pure lies. Don't get me wrong though  he did deserve to go down.
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: Rodenplav64 on October 20, 2017, 08:06:31 PM
There’s some proper fuckin haters on ere isn’t there?

Some very sensitive people you mean . There are also some grammar pedants but that is another story . I will end my Ashley Williams contribution by saying I stand by what I have said of him .
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: TheRam on October 20, 2017, 08:10:03 PM
I enjoyed the scrap. It got the ground going and if that Sigurdsson free kick goes in the place would've been bouncing.

Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: gizzblue on October 20, 2017, 08:16:27 PM
He's was awful shouldve been sent off easy...but he actually looked quite good between a lb like Martina who at best is a sprinter not a footy player and Keane who's confidence is zero when being forced to play  along side him.
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: Rodenplav64 on October 20, 2017, 08:26:35 PM
I enjoyed the scrap. It got the ground going and if that Sigurdsson free kick goes in the place would've been bouncing.



If only life was all ifs and buts .
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on October 21, 2017, 01:49:56 AM
Totally deluded fuck whit, that armband should have been removed with a chainsaw
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: TheTone on October 21, 2017, 02:29:26 AM
love Williams me
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: Thomas on October 21, 2017, 04:01:27 AM
Oh shut up
It's true.

He can't play football and he can't defend.

Still fawning over Besic and Schenderlin? Do me a favour.

Probably one of those types to delight in AW but revel in hating on Lookman.
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: Brownie20 on October 21, 2017, 04:11:49 AM
It's true.

He can't play football and he can't defend.

Still fawning over Besic and Schenderlin? Do me a favour.

Probably one of those types to delight in AW but revel in hating on Lookman.

Who on here hates on Lookman?
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: Brownie20 on October 21, 2017, 04:13:02 AM
love Williams me

Hahaha I'm not surprised
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: Jimmywhack on October 21, 2017, 04:20:18 AM
It's true.

He can't play football and he can't defend.

Still fawning over Besic and Schenderlin? Do me a favour.

Probably one of those types to delight in AW but revel in hating on Lookman.
Massive over exaggerations again Thomas
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: Jamokachi on October 21, 2017, 04:33:52 AM
I don't care if he is Welsh or passionate as he is purely and simply not good enough to be playing at Everton . If you like physicality watch boxing as I don't want to watch anyone getting smashed on a sports field . Rugby players should be charged with ABH every time they smash someone in a way that would see me or you down the local plod shop .


lolol

What a prat.
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: Lxxx on October 21, 2017, 04:39:27 AM
These type of incidents just don't help those of us who want the fans near the pitch at new stadium ...

Absolute rubbish.
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: Tofifee on October 21, 2017, 06:38:57 PM
Said it here before, watching Brighton and Ireland, we should never have let Shane Duffy go
We let him go and brought in Alcaraz.............
And now we are stuck with this lump AW, and Duffy is like a young John Bloody Terry down at Brighton
BRIGHTON!
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: Brownie20 on October 21, 2017, 06:50:54 PM
Said it here before, watching Brighton and Ireland, we should never have let Shane Duffy go
We let him go and brought in Alcaraz.............
And now we are stuck with this lump AW, and Duffy is like a young John Bloody Terry down at Brighton
BRIGHTON!

If he was so good why is he still at Brighton? BRIGHTON?
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: gizzblue on October 21, 2017, 07:05:45 PM
Said it here before, watching Brighton and Ireland, we should never have let Shane Duffy go
We let him go and brought in Alcaraz.............
And now we are stuck with this lump AW, and Duffy is like a young John Bloody Terry down at Brighton
BRIGHTON!
Also injured and doesn't help us this weekend 😅
Has Williams retired yet ?.
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 21, 2017, 07:06:06 PM
Even assuming Duffy is better (fuck knows I don't watch Brighton but I doubt it) we let him go a long while ago. Are you suggesting we should have sat him in the reserves for 5 years waiting for this moment?
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: Bob Sacamano on October 21, 2017, 07:11:58 PM
A young John Terry lolol

@Simon Paul (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=1) please delete the forum.
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: Rodenplav64 on October 21, 2017, 07:27:23 PM

lolol

What a prat.

Please go and fuck yourself you annoying little twat .
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: chang on October 21, 2017, 09:38:37 PM
Absolute rubbish.

Why ? Can't help can it?
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: Audrey Horne on October 21, 2017, 10:41:58 PM
It's true.

He can't play football and he can't defend.

Still fawning over Besic and Schenderlin? Do me a favour.

Probably one of those types to delight in AW but revel in hating on Lookman.

You are a prat.
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: Bob Sacamano on October 22, 2017, 12:08:42 AM
You are a prat.

Whines on like he’s the fucking oracle of football lolol
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: claimabstract on October 22, 2017, 02:00:20 AM
The players are unhappy, the fans are unhappy, and now we're really going at each other on this forum? Something needs to give.
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: TheTone on October 22, 2017, 02:15:34 AM
The players are unhappy, the fans are unhappy, and now we're really going at each other on this forum? Something needs to give.

do one lid
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: Jamokachi on October 22, 2017, 05:50:27 AM
Please go and fuck yourself you annoying little twat .

Haha, I appreciate the politeness.
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on October 22, 2017, 06:17:33 AM
Lets face it, it was a fucking stupid thing to do but I am sure a lot of us, whilst playing sports and getting frustrated have lashed out, I know I have on numerous occasions.

There has been a bit of an over reaction maybe, specially from a fan base that rates Duncan Ferguson as a Legend

The fan with the kid tho, no that's a bellend

Ayyy c'mon, I didn't say a thing! :)
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: Rodenplav64 on October 22, 2017, 02:45:06 PM
Haha, I appreciate the politeness.

I am polite if nothing else .
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: Confucius on October 22, 2017, 11:02:47 PM
Was decent today. Should not of been subbed.
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: everton1952 on October 22, 2017, 11:27:53 PM
An awful player completely out of his depth. Did you go today? How can you say he was decent?
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: Brownie20 on October 22, 2017, 11:28:32 PM
An awful player completely out of his depth. Did you go today? How can you say he was decent?

Bit hard for him to go living in Canada
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: Confucius on October 22, 2017, 11:29:40 PM
An awful player completely out of his depth. Did you go today? How can you say he was decent?

We seem a lot better with him in the side than without.
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: Mayor Farnum on October 22, 2017, 11:39:32 PM
Williams is starting to turn things around and he is committed which is not easy to show in such a dire situation. Williams has bought himself some more time with me.
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: gizzblue on October 22, 2017, 11:39:35 PM
Fuck sake hes a yard dog twat ...Dam near cost us another goal straight after Rooney scored ..."had" to be subbed because he's a fucking liability .
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: everton1952 on October 22, 2017, 11:39:45 PM
Canada? Wow. That leads me on to say what I was going to say earlier. Looking at this one thread alone, from what people say  there seem to be a lot of people on here who do not go or cannot go to the match. I sometimes think the writers who go to the games are almost in a minority? Surely not? One switched over to another channel and another walked his dog. Maybe they were a long way away to. Shouldn't really assume that everyone or even most are local. Our support is widespread.
Title: Re: Ashley Williams
Post by: gizzblue on October 22, 2017, 11:41:23 PM
Canada? Wow. That leads me on to say what I was going to say earlier. Looking at this one thread alone, from what people say  there seem to be a lot of people on here who do not go or cannot go to the match. I sometimes think the writers who go to the games are almost in a minority? Surely not? One switched over to another channel and another walked his dog. Maybe they were a long way away to. Shouldn't really assume that everyone or even most are local. Our support is widespread.
Only us fucking masochist twats to the game 😅.week in .