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Title: Koeman linked with Everton exit
Post by: Bally on October 13, 2017, 01:16:35 PM
All here folks with a quote from a news source on twitter no less
http://mobile.footballnewsmagazine.co.uk/everton/ronald-koeman-linked-with-everton-exit
Title: Re: Koeman linked with Everton exit
Post by: BlueForYou on October 13, 2017, 03:02:12 PM
I can see it happening -

Koeman @ Holland, Moyes @ Scotland and Martinez @ (world champions!) Belgium
Title: Re: Koeman linked with Everton exit
Post by: Ramjam on October 13, 2017, 03:04:07 PM
Get the deal done
Title: Re: Koeman linked with Everton exit
Post by: Macca77 on October 13, 2017, 03:33:48 PM
My source was saying the same
Title: Re: Koeman linked with Everton exit
Post by: dazfrancis on October 13, 2017, 03:38:37 PM
Could have done this over the international break, like.

Fucking Everton.
Title: Re: Koeman linked with Everton exit
Post by: BlueMaquis on October 13, 2017, 03:44:33 PM
"It had often been thought of that the Dutchman sees Everton as a stepping-stone to a bigger job, which the Holland job certainly is."

Is it? Anyone know what his salary would be there?
Title: Re: Koeman linked with Everton exit
Post by: Macca77 on October 13, 2017, 03:59:36 PM
It's quite an easy decision for him here isn't it, and also an easy way out.
Title: Re: Koeman linked with Everton exit
Post by: Tony Clifton on October 13, 2017, 04:43:44 PM
How does more golf sound, Ronald?
Title: Re: Koeman linked with Everton exit
Post by: everton1952 on October 13, 2017, 04:47:01 PM
My reliable source also says the same. The crystal ball cleared overnight which often happens when the weather gets warmer.
Title: Re: Koeman linked with Everton exit
Post by: Redartin on October 13, 2017, 04:52:25 PM
"By the time qualifying starts he would be in the final months of his Everton deal, which expires in summer 2019, meaning the situation could be ideally set up for him to take charge. "

Does this mean they are not taking him this evening?
Title: Re: Koeman linked with Everton exit
Post by: hill135 on October 13, 2017, 05:27:30 PM
Can't see it myself. They wouldn't be able to afford the compo and he'd be looking at a Carol Vorderman sized pay cut.
Title: Re: Koeman linked with Everton exit
Post by: Ross on October 13, 2017, 05:56:53 PM
How does more golf sound, Ronald?

Given the amount of time he spends at USM Finch Farm it’d be less golf and more work if he went for this.
Title: Re: Koeman linked with Everton exit
Post by: kramer0 on October 13, 2017, 07:00:18 PM
Can't see it myself. They wouldn't be able to afford the compo and he'd be looking at a Carol Vorderman sized pay cut.

Not having to pay to sack him would be compensation enough.

Although it is mildly amusing to imagine Moshiri/Kenwright ruining a potential deal by demanding way too much in compensation.
Title: Re: Koeman linked with Everton exit
Post by: Everton Mint on October 13, 2017, 07:42:30 PM
He totally dismissed the Holland job at today's press conference. Not even in the future.

Totally committed to Everton.

Title: Re: Koeman linked with Everton exit
Post by: gizzblue on October 13, 2017, 07:51:15 PM
He totally dismissed the Holland job at today's press conference. Not even in the future.

Totally committed to Everton.
Ffs. ..some people just don't know when to fuck off. ...he's like a bad case of herpes .
Title: Re: Koeman linked with Everton exit
Post by: bacon sarnie on October 13, 2017, 08:43:47 PM
I can see it happening -

Koeman @ Holland, Moyes @ Scotland and Martinez @ (world champions!) Belgium

Didn't Billy Bingham manage N. Ireland?
Title: Re: Koeman linked with Everton exit
Post by: blue1948 on October 13, 2017, 08:49:14 PM
Didn't Billy Bingham manage N. Ireland?
In the broadest sense of the word -Yes
Title: Re: Koeman linked with Everton exit
Post by: bacon sarnie on October 13, 2017, 08:52:23 PM
In the broadest sense of the word -Yes

Good old Billy. Should have been on The Comedians.
Title: Re: Koeman linked with Everton exit
Post by: Waltzer on October 13, 2017, 08:53:08 PM
He totally dismissed the Holland job at today's press conference. Not even in the future.

Totally committed to Everton.



As I said previously I could never understand what the appeal would be for him, he'd have massive expectations placed on him with a squad that is void of any talent. They're even further back than England which is saying something.

Im glad hes committed to us and determined to push forward
Title: Re: Koeman linked with Everton exit
Post by: arteta4spain on October 13, 2017, 09:11:54 PM
Maybe the good thing to come out of him dismissing this is that the clamour for him to leave is increasing. Hopefully this could give him a jolt and buck his ideas up. I doubt it like! Apparently Sigurdsson has said in the press it's a season defining week with Brighton, Lyon and Arsenal.
I think the players are aware of the pressure they are under. They need to stand up and be counted. The manager also. I'm just under the impression he's not trying hard enough.
Title: Re: Koeman linked with Everton exit
Post by: blue1948 on October 13, 2017, 09:14:16 PM
I don't know what the issue with loyalty is ,he has said that his family love the supporters ,he loves the job ( well you know what I mean) when it is going well ,I have utmost confidence in him ,this really is just a blip .No one could guess what has transpired -yes it is easy to knit pick now but who would know that so many players would take the time they are to settle ,I have every confidence in the new players.The thing that pisses me off is not him it is that the shite really are and the first chance we get to rub their noses -we are worse !
Title: Re: Koeman linked with Everton exit
Post by: blue1948 on October 13, 2017, 09:15:15 PM
Maybe the good thing to come out of him dismissing this is that the clamour for him to leave is increasing. Hopefully this could give him a jolt and buck his ideas up. I doubt it like! Apparently Sigurdsson has said in the press it's a season defining week with Brighton, Lyon and Arsenal.
I think the players are aware of the pressure they are under. They need to stand up and be counted. The manager also. I'm just under the impression he's not trying hard enough.
He can't do much in the break really can he ?
Title: Re: Koeman linked with Everton exit
Post by: BlueForYou on October 13, 2017, 10:04:27 PM
Billy Bingham did a pretty good job with N Ireland - two world cup tournaments

And Walter Smith managed Scotland

 

Title: Re: Koeman linked with Everton exit
Post by: BlueForYou on October 13, 2017, 10:14:20 PM
Ex Everton player Dave Clements also managed N Ireland - he was favourite to succeed Bingham for the Everton job in 1977

Mick Meagan, I think, managed Republic of Ireland (Eire), as did Johnny Carey

And big Nev Southall jointly managed Wales with Mark Hughes for a couple of games!

Plus Kendall should have been England manager from 1990!
Title: Re: Koeman linked with Everton exit
Post by: Coyb12 on October 13, 2017, 10:30:40 PM
You are all going to be getting vaulted when he turns this around.
Title: Re: Koeman linked with Everton exit
Post by: sam of the south on October 13, 2017, 11:47:37 PM
You are all going to be getting vaulted when he turns this around.

Really hope he does turn it around.

To do this however he would need to stop dicking about with the no proper width and loads of paceless number 10's on each others toes experiment.

Can't see it myself.
Title: Re: Koeman linked with Everton exit
Post by: Realist on October 15, 2017, 11:27:42 PM
"It had often been thought of that the Dutchman sees Everton as a stepping-stone to a bigger job, which the Holland job certainly is."

Is it? Anyone know what his salary would be there?

A bigger job means a better team or chance to win honours, not how much he's paid per week.
Title: Re: Koeman linked with Everton exit
Post by: Tinga on October 15, 2017, 11:59:55 PM
You are all going to be getting vaulted when he turns this around.

So when is this so called turn around happening mate?

(https://image.prntscr.com/image/99UwIVWhQju6AvjEcIvhQg.png)

It's a disgrace we're 3 points above the drop with this 'squad'.
Title: Re: Koeman linked with Everton exit
Post by: Coyb12 on October 16, 2017, 12:04:11 AM
So when is this so called turn around happening mate?

(https://image.prntscr.com/image/99UwIVWhQju6AvjEcIvhQg.png)

It's a disgrace we're 3 points above the drop with this 'squad'.
Fucking hell lad give us a chance i only posted that yesterday.
Title: Re: Koeman linked with Everton exit
Post by: Tinga on October 16, 2017, 12:07:07 AM
I've given it a chance, he isn't learning. He's a buffoon and has had his chance at a so called ambitious club and failed massively. Time to move on and get a proper manager.
Title: Re: Koeman linked with Everton exit
Post by: Waltzer on October 16, 2017, 01:28:44 AM
I've given it a chance, he isn't learning. He's a buffoon and has had his chance at a so called ambitious club and failed massively. Time to move on and get a proper manager.
An ambitious club? Ambition isn't selling your best asset and replacing him with a 6.5 million unproven Spanish kid and hoping it'll be okay. If anything Koeman should be fuming about being spun a line or two by the incompetent people above him. Ambition isn't talking the talk to Jim white and skysports it's actually putting the players on the pitch
I've said it all along that Koeman has to to take some of the blame, but you can only play the hand your dealt
Title: Re: Koeman linked with Everton exit
Post by: Ross on October 16, 2017, 01:45:21 AM
An ambitious club? Ambition isn't selling your best asset and replacing him with a 6.5 million unproven Spanish kid and hoping it'll be okay. If anything Koeman should be fuming about being spun a line or two by the incompetent people above him. Ambition isn't talking the talk to Jim white and skysports it's actually putting the players on the pitch
I've said it all along that Koeman has to to take some of the blame, but you can only play the hand your dealt

“Play the hand dealt him”?

You do know he’s spent nearly £240m in the last 18 months don’t you?

Title: Re: Koeman linked with Everton exit
Post by: everton1952 on October 16, 2017, 01:46:06 AM
People who call him a buffoon are themselves buffoons. He is not a buffoon. There is far more to it than slagging him off as though he is solely to blame. Others at the club must share the blame in signings and missed signings. To an extent he is playing the cards he has been dealt and the fixture list/congestion has not helped.  He may or may not turn this around. I doubt that he will, but name calling is ignorant.
Title: Re: Koeman linked with Everton exit
Post by: Bally on October 16, 2017, 02:48:37 AM
You are all going to be getting vaulted when he turns this around.
Good
I hope we all get to eat humble pie, cant see it, I wasn't fully sold at the start but I didn't want to nail my colours to the mast because I'd just don't that with the utter cockwomble that was Martinez.
Title: Re: Koeman linked with Everton exit
Post by: benny on October 16, 2017, 03:07:06 AM
You are all going to be getting vaulted when he turns this around.

                if only  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Koeman linked with Everton exit
Post by: bluestevie on October 16, 2017, 03:13:39 AM
People who call him a buffoon are themselves buffoons. He is not a buffoon. There is far more to it than slagging him off as though he is solely to blame. Others at the club must share the blame in signings and missed signings. To an extent he is playing the cards he has been dealt and the fixture list/congestion has not helped.  He may or may not turn this around. I doubt that he will, but name calling is ignorant.

Utter shite, any manager worth his salt would adapt to being dealt a bad hand in transfers and get results, Koeman hasn't and doesn't seem capable to hence seeing a point scraped late on at a newly promoted side as a positive when the so called bigger teams would see it differently. The team selections and omissions are becoming ridiculous now, we'very not had a settled back line because he can't decide whether to play 2 or 3 at the back, keeps alternating right backs instead of sticking to one, which should be Kenny imo, and is insistent on shoehorning players in positions they shouldn't be when he has the right options but refuses to use them. Not to mention he continues to utilise a defensive midfield set up that was established by David Moyes over a decade ago and Martinez continued to utilise when it began to fail and still is now
Title: Re: Koeman linked with Everton exit
Post by: hannu on October 16, 2017, 05:53:37 AM
People who call him a buffoon are themselves buffoons. He is not a buffoon. There is far more to it than slagging him off as though he is solely to blame. Others at the club must share the blame in signings and missed signings. To an extent he is playing the cards he has been dealt and the fixture list/congestion has not helped.  He may or may not turn this around. I doubt that he will, but name calling is ignorant.


do you see the irony of what you just did there
Title: Re: Koeman linked with Everton exit
Post by: Waltzer on October 16, 2017, 02:01:32 PM
“Play the hand dealt him”?

You do know he’s spent nearly £240m in the last 18 months don’t you?



But its all relative isnt it as hes also had to contend with selling his best player, plus as he has reiterated on numerous occasions Walsh is in charge of transfers. I know it frustrates people talking about net spend but it isnt anything more than what we did under Kenwright and certainly isnt substantial in premier league terms.
Its also no big shock that goals win games, you only need to look at the transformation in Man U this year with Lukaku. With the exception of Saturday they've been hitting teams hard cause they have a goal threat, being honest were probably where we deserve to be based on the goal threats in our team I just dont think some people want to accept that and would rather blame Koeman for having such a s**t strike force.
Title: Re: Koeman linked with Everton exit
Post by: brap2 on October 16, 2017, 02:10:02 PM
It's absolutely criminal that we're having to play DCL or Rooney, honestly unforgivable that such an important season starts with hole at the top of the side like that.
Title: Re: Koeman linked with Everton exit
Post by: Waltzer on October 16, 2017, 05:25:39 PM
It's absolutely criminal that we're having to play DCL or Rooney, honestly unforgivable that such an important season starts with hole at the top of the side like that.

This is why i think all the criticism of Koeman is a bit over the top, he has to take some responsibility but it was almost suicide what the board did to him. Sacking Koeman wont change results as the players arent there to score goals, im afraid to say it, but my view is were going to have to buckle our seat belts cause weve got a bumpy few months until January comes, although even then I dont see any decent striker wanting to come?
Title: Re: Koeman linked with Everton exit
Post by: Lxxx on October 16, 2017, 05:33:50 PM
This is why i think all the criticism of Koeman is a bit over the top, he has to take some responsibility but it was almost suicide what the board did to him. Sacking Koeman wont change results as the players arent there to score goals, im afraid to say it, but my view is were going to have to buckle our seat belts cause weve got a bumpy few months until January comes, although even then I dont see any decent striker wanting to come?

Yeh but come on, have we really got the fifth worst squad in the league? Are we really not able to fashion a functioning side out of £240m worth of signings over 18 months? We've got probably the most promising bunch of youngsters in the country to go along with hundreds of millions of pounds worth of internationals and we still can't beat a bunch of Cypriot journeymen, Burnley or Brighton?

I get what you're saying about the striker situation, it was negligent in the extreme, but let's not use that as an excuse for all the failings we've seen since August.
Title: Re: Koeman linked with Everton exit
Post by: Waltzer on October 16, 2017, 05:48:00 PM
Yeh but come on, have we really got the fifth worst squad in the league? Are we really not able to fashion a functioning side out of £240m worth of signings over 18 months? We've got probably the most promising bunch of youngsters in the country to go along with hundreds of millions of pounds worth of internationals and we still can't beat a bunch of Cypriot journeymen, Burnley or Brighton?

I get what you're saying about the striker situation, it was negligent in the extreme, but let's not use that as an excuse for all the failings we've seen since August.

I agree that he has to take some of the blame, but you could argue that its strikers that win you games and were probably not far off having the 5th worst strike force in the league?
There is an element of irony in this forum too, if you look at the topics lately we've discussed strikers, Williams and Baines as not being enough (or arguments the other way), but these were the exact areas Koeman stated when he said:

Asked if he was confident of getting in his outstanding targets, he replied: “I'm always confident because we did some good business.

“Everyone knows, the board knows the importance of those two signings.”

We can go round in circles all day about whose to blame but my personal view is this is failure is much bigger than Koeman and hes being made a scapegoat for the boards failure. Without having a crystal ball I would hazard a guess if we had any of these strikers (that we could have got) Hernandez, Abraham, Rodriguez, Defoe, Llorente, Jese, Ihanacho we'd be in a much healthier position than we are
Title: Re: Koeman linked with Everton exit
Post by: Lxxx on October 16, 2017, 05:55:40 PM
I agree that he has to take some of the blame, but you could argue that its strikers that win you games and were probably not far off having the 5th worst strike force in the league?
There is an element of irony in this forum too, if you look at the topics lately we've discussed strikers, Williams and Baines as not being enough (or arguments the other way), but these were the exact areas Koeman stated when he said:

Asked if he was confident of getting in his outstanding targets, he replied: “I'm always confident because we did some good business.

“Everyone knows, the board knows the importance of those two signings.”

We can go round in circles all day about whose to blame but my personal view is this is failure is much bigger than Koeman and hes being made a scapegoat for the boards failure. Without having a crystal ball I would hazard a guess if we had any of these strikers (that we could have got) Hernandez, Abraham, Rodriguez, Defoe, Llorente, Jese, Ihanacho we'd be in a much healthier position than we are

I don't disagree but you work with what you've got. Something clearly isn't right though in the setup at the minute. Players half arsed, no urgency, a formation that's anyone's best guess, everyone to a man playing below their usual standard. These are things that can only be solved on the training pitch and in the dressing room, which is Koeman's domain. Maybe his staff aren't working either, maybe it's a disconnect between management and the players. We don't know, but we do know something has to change.
Title: Re: Koeman linked with Everton exit
Post by: Waltzer on October 16, 2017, 06:05:25 PM
I don't disagree but you work with what you've got. Something clearly isn't right though in the setup at the minute. Players half arsed, no urgency, a formation that's anyone's best guess, everyone to a man playing below their usual standard. These are things that can only be solved on the training pitch and in the dressing room, which is Koeman's domain. Maybe his staff aren't working either, maybe it's a disconnect between management and the players. We don't know, but we do know something has to change.

I expect the levels of frustration at Finch Farm is through the roof with players and managers. I bet a lot of the signings would have come here with the promise that were on the up and they will feel royally shat on, literally from above, its not going to make for a constructive positive environment, but you're right it is Koemans domain. However, when your training all week knowing the fact that you're toothless upfront plus any mistake at the back will mean you wont win a game as theres no chance we'll score 2 goals I bet its pretty demoralising all round
Title: Re: Koeman linked with Everton exit
Post by: Lxxx on October 16, 2017, 06:10:40 PM
I expect the levels of frustration at Finch Farm is through the roof with players and managers. I bet a lot of the signings would have come here with the promise that were on the up and they will feel royally shat on, literally from above, its not going to make for a constructive positive environment, but you're right it is Koemans domain. However, when your training all week knowing the fact that you're toothless upfront plus any mistake at the back will mean you wont win a game as theres no chance we'll score 2 goals I bet its pretty demoralising all round

It probably is, which is why we need a change. What you're saying is it's a shite situation but Koeman isn't solely to blame so on that basis we should soldier on our downward descent and change nothing.

It really doesn't matter who is or who isn't to blame, the current situation isn't working. So as binning Walsh won't change anything on the pitch and hauling a few of the scouts over the coals won't materially change our results either then the buck stops with Koeman. The highly paid man tasked with results in a results based business.
Title: Re: Koeman linked with Everton exit
Post by: Waltzer on October 16, 2017, 06:19:34 PM
It probably is, which is why we need a change. What you're saying is it's a shite situation but Koeman isn't solely to blame so on that basis we should soldier on our downward descent and change nothing.

It really doesn't matter who is or who isn't to blame, the current situation isn't working. So as binning Walsh won't change anything on the pitch and hauling a few of the scouts over the coals won't materially change our results either then the buck stops with Koeman. The highly paid man tasked with results in a results based business.

Disagree, its been years of ineptitude at Everton and until we change the mentality of the club from the top it wont change. Walsh, if he is responsible for transfers, should have been sacked straight after transfer deadline day for what happened. People need to be held to account, there have been years and years of it from Kenwright and Elstone yet the same issue persist and the same personnel. I thought Moshiri as a business man would bring up those levels, and he has to some extent but even he leaves me questioning who does what especially his allegations that he stopped the Sisokko transfer as he wanted McCarthy to play? Dismissing the manager might have an impact but it wont help in the long run.
Title: Re: Koeman linked with Everton exit
Post by: brap2 on October 16, 2017, 06:26:16 PM
This is why i think all the criticism of Koeman is a bit over the top, he has to take some responsibility but it was almost suicide what the board did to him. Sacking Koeman wont change results as the players arent there to score goals, im afraid to say it, but my view is were going to have to buckle our seat belts cause weve got a bumpy few months until January comes, although even then I dont see any decent striker wanting to come?

I did think this way until a few weeks ago, but he's not shown anything at all in terms of digging in and gettings results, or even sticking to a philosophy which is give him points for.

Looks like a mess on and off the pitch atm, and striker or tough fixtures or not he has to be held responsible.
Title: Re: Koeman linked with Everton exit
Post by: Tinga on October 16, 2017, 06:28:22 PM
It's a shame the morning papers aren't 'Koeman leaves Everton'. I suppose he'll have to ruin our Europa League chances before he goes.
Title: Re: Koeman linked with Everton exit
Post by: Waltzer on October 16, 2017, 06:30:21 PM
I did think this way until a few weeks ago, but he's not shown anything at all in terms of digging in and gettings results, or even sticking to a philosophy which is give him points for.

Looks like a mess on and off the pitch atm, and striker or tough fixtures or not he has to be held responsible.

Ill admit I do want Koeman to turn it around so its probably influencing my thought process, that said if we could get Ancelotti in id help pack Koemans bag, but the more realistic option of Matterazi leaves me questioning what he could do, or any of the other realistic targets?
Title: Re: Koeman linked with Everton exit
Post by: Hawkandro on October 16, 2017, 06:35:06 PM
If Walter Mazzarri is the answer, I don't want to hear the fucking question.
Title: Re: Koeman linked with Everton exit
Post by: Lxxx on October 16, 2017, 06:37:42 PM
Disagree, its been years of ineptitude at Everton and until we change the mentality of the club from the top it wont change. Walsh, if he is responsible for transfers, should have been sacked straight after transfer deadline day for what happened. People need to be held to account, there have been years and years of it from Kenwright and Elstone yet the same issue persist and the same personnel. I thought Moshiri as a business man would bring up those levels, and he has to some extent but even he leaves me questioning who does what especially his allegations that he stopped the Sisokko transfer as he wanted McCarthy to play? Dismissing the manager might have an impact but it wont help in the long run.

I don't deny we need to address the long term inherent issues in our unprofessionalism and small time mentality. I share similar concerns about Moshiri too. However we have a short term problem which needs fixing. We can't just pretend it isn't there and hope it rights itself in the face of no evidence whatsoever that it might do that. It's not inconceivable we lose the next three games, lose two of our shots at silverware this season and be in the bottom three. Any off field issues we have pale in comparison to the shitstorm on it that needs addressing.
Title: Re: Koeman linked with Everton exit
Post by: Ross on October 16, 2017, 06:41:45 PM
We’ve got two strikers on the books that are getting somewhere in the region of £300k a week between them. One was very publically courted by Koeman on a few occasions and the other he is known to have personally scouted.

Let’s not pretend we’ve got no forwards.
Title: Re: Koeman linked with Everton exit
Post by: brap2 on October 16, 2017, 06:55:30 PM
Ill admit I do want Koeman to turn it around so its probably influencing my thought process, that said if we could get Ancelotti in id help pack Koemans bag, but the more realistic option of Matterazi leaves me questioning what he could do, or any of the other realistic targets?

I can understand because it's exactly how I felt, and I even had a little glimmer of it before Brighton, but it's the same story every time. Slow, pedestrian, boring, styleless.

Best performance of the year was City, and we were playing pure Pulisball.

Don't think ancelotti would work here. Don't think mazarri would either to be honest.

Telegraph linked us to fonseca today, his stats look good.
Title: Re: Koeman linked with Everton exit
Post by: Mac934 on October 16, 2017, 07:36:44 PM
People who call him a buffoon are themselves buffoons. He is not a buffoon. There is far more to it than slagging him off as though he is solely to blame. Others at the club must share the blame in signings and missed signings. To an extent he is playing the cards he has been dealt and the fixture list/congestion has not helped.  He may or may not turn this around. I doubt that he will, but name calling is ignorant.
Fixture list/congestion! What congestion? I don't see other teams in Europe complaining about congestion. It's a fact of life, if you want European football, you have to accept the fixtures are coming thick and fast and plan around that. Not whinge and bitch about congestion. The fixtures are the same in the league for everyone, Burnley started with 'hard games' away and have done ok. It's the way we have played in those games that irks most fans not necessarily the results as has been said in many topics and posts.
Title: Re: Koeman linked with Everton exit
Post by: plumber on October 16, 2017, 07:39:56 PM


Telegraph linked us to fonseca today, his stats look good.

He won't leave Shakhtar before the season ends though.

And that's the issue. I doubt it's possible to get something better than Koeman at this stage.
Anchelotti and even Silva shouts are bollox. And that leaves us with Unsworth (very risky option to put it mildly) or uninspiring average managers like Mazzarri.
Title: Re: Koeman linked with Everton exit
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 16, 2017, 08:01:08 PM
Koeman decided to sign Rooney and continues running the team around and through him and his desires (despite getting nothing in return) and should answer for that.

His response is to double down on his "proven veterans" approach. Madness.
Title: Re: Koeman linked with Everton exit
Post by: Waltzer on October 16, 2017, 08:07:31 PM
He won't leave Shakhtar before the season ends though.

And that's the issue. I doubt it's possible to get something better than Koeman at this stage.
Anchelotti and even Silva shouts are bollox. And that leaves us with Unsworth (very risky option to put it mildly) or uninspiring average managers like Mazzarri.

I dont know much about him so not saying I want him or not, but I read from this interview he'd be here at the drop of a hat if offered....

Shakhtar Donetsk manager Paulo Fonseca has welcomed reports suggesting Everton have lined him up as a replacement for Ronald Koeman.

The Toffees have endured a disappointing start to the season and lie in 16th place, having taken just eight points from their opening eight games.

The Daily Telegraph’s sources in Portugal claim Fonseca was among the candidates to replace Roberto Martinez at Goodison Park in 2016 before the club opted for Koeman.

And now it’s claimed the Toffees are considering Fonseca once again as reports persist that Everton are losing patience with the Dutchman.

Discussing talk he could move to the Premier League, Fonseca told the Daily Telegraph: “All coaches want to go to England and I am one. I have this dream and I believe this can happen.

“If it’s soon or not, I have this dream.”
Title: Re: Koeman linked with Everton exit
Post by: blueski on October 16, 2017, 08:14:37 PM
how many of the top 6 we'd like to be part of would still have him as manager? most would have sacked him already apart from arsenal and tottenham, abramovic would have sacked him weeks ago
Title: Re: Koeman linked with Everton exit
Post by: bluestevie on October 16, 2017, 08:26:12 PM
Koeman decided to sign Rooney and continues running the team around and through him and his desires (despite getting nothing in return) and should answer for that.

His response is to double down on his "proven veterans" approach. Madness.

How has Rooney gave nothing in return? 4 goals in 10 games, including the winner v Stoke, the goal that should have won us the game at City, and the pen that gave us an embarrassing point yesterday, 2 of them earned us points we didn't deserve and without them we would have been in an even worse position than we are.
Title: Re: Koeman linked with Everton exit
Post by: Waltzer on October 16, 2017, 08:42:21 PM
how many of the top 6 we'd like to be part of would still have him as manager? most would have sacked him already apart from arsenal and tottenham, abramovic would have sacked him weeks ago

Its not even remotely comparable in so many ways. Although based on the answer you've given in your post id say 2/3 would have sacked him.
Title: Re: Koeman linked with Everton exit
Post by: everton1952 on October 16, 2017, 08:42:49 PM
 
Fixture list/congestion! What congestion? I don't see other teams in Europe complaining about congestion. It's a fact of life, if you want European football, you have to accept the fixtures are coming thick and fast and plan around that. Not whinge and bitch about congestion. The fixtures are the same in the league for everyone, Burnley started with 'hard games' away and have done ok. It's the way we have played in those games that irks most fans not necessarily the results as has been said in many topics and posts.
What on earth are you talking about?
Klopp called the fixture congestion madness. Mourinho called for the league cup to be scrapped to ease the fixtures, the big cheese at City said exactly the same. Can't be sure if Pochettino said similar but he probably did.  Those at the top with better players have done well except Arsenal. (Wenger probably feels the same as the above). Not the sole reason for our slump of course, but saying others in Europe are not bothered by the fixtures means you need to read a bit more widely.
Title: Re: Koeman linked with Everton exit
Post by: Ross on October 16, 2017, 08:52:14 PM
What on earth are you talking about?
Klopp called the fixture congestion madness. Mourinho called for the league cup to be scrapped to ease the fixtures, the big cheese at City said exactly the same. Can't be sure if Pochettino said similar but he probably did.  Those at the top with better players have done well except Arsenal. (Wenger probably feels the same as the above). Not the sole reason for our slump of course, but saying others in Europe are not bothered by the fixtures means you need to read a bit more widely.

Do you really believe that 1 league cup game against a poor Sunderland team a month back is having a bearing on our form?
Title: Re: Koeman linked with Everton exit
Post by: everton1952 on October 16, 2017, 08:57:13 PM
Add up all the games in 3 tournaments and you might find  the reason why "the Europe club" managers including Koeman have been whingeing.
Title: Re: Koeman linked with Everton exit
Post by: bluestevie on October 16, 2017, 09:06:13 PM
Add up all the games in 3 tournaments and you might find  the reason why "the Europe club" managers including Koeman have been whingeing.

That excuse didn't wash with Martinez and doesn't now, if you can't gee a squad up to play 2-3 games in short succession then you shouldn't be in the job period
Title: Re: Koeman linked with Everton exit
Post by: Ross on October 16, 2017, 09:06:47 PM
Add up all the games in 3 tournaments and you might find  the reason why "the Europe club" managers including Koeman have been whingeing.

Well let’s be honest the way things are looking we won’t be suffering from any “congestion” for much longer. In fact maybe going out of these nuisance distractions is all part of the master plan to ease our “congestion” so we can be refreshed for the relegation battle ahead.

Maybe Koeman has a plan after all?
Title: Re: Koeman linked with Everton exit
Post by: everton1952 on October 16, 2017, 09:10:16 PM
You are probably correct that we won't be bothered by congestion in a few weeks from now. I dread the European final fixtures if we are already out of it. They may as well scrap the entrance charge. I will not go.
Title: Re: Koeman linked with Everton exit
Post by: brap2 on October 16, 2017, 09:12:41 PM
How has Rooney gave nothing in return? 4 goals in 10 games, including the winner v Stoke, the goal that should have won us the game at City, and the pen that gave us an embarrassing point yesterday, 2 of them earned us points we didn't deserve and without them we would have been in an even worse position than we are.

I think he's our best player now unfortunately.

I also think he shouldn't play.
Title: Re: Koeman linked with Everton exit
Post by: sam of the south on October 16, 2017, 09:19:29 PM
I think he's our best player now unfortunately.

I also think he shouldn't play.

Both could be true, tragically.
Title: Re: Koeman linked with Everton exit
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 16, 2017, 10:48:43 PM
Rooney was good the first couple of matches, has been dreadful since, and is most assuredly NOT making the players around him better (which was supposed to be the whole point).  He could be useful as an impact sub, if he'd accept the role and have some positional discipline, but Koeman seems to have interest in neither, and I suspect it has something to do with his having been a star player who likely felt people should have deferred to him, even late in his career.

I am quite confident any number of players could have converted that penalty, even the much-maligned Sigurdsson.  Every ratings thread I've seen anywhere still gave his performance a "5" - wholly unacceptable.  You can't anchor your team around a guy in his decline phase who is giving you 5s and 6s week in and week out, who is also possibly preventing Sigurdsson from settling into his role in the XI.  Only one of those two might be a part of the next decent Everton side, and it's clear to eyeryone with eyes to see that they can't play together on the pitch.
Title: Re: Koeman linked with Everton exit
Post by: Mac934 on October 16, 2017, 11:38:34 PM
What on earth are you talking about?
Klopp called the fixture congestion madness. Mourinho called for the league cup to be scrapped to ease the fixtures, the big cheese at City said exactly the same. Can't be sure if Pochettino said similar but he probably did.  Those at the top with better players have done well except Arsenal. (Wenger probably feels the same as the above). Not the sole reason for our slump of course, but saying others in Europe are not bothered by the fixtures means you need to read a bit more widely.
Funny isn't it, the managers that are most successful in the cups complaining about fixture congestion. They also have the biggest squads. If they are that pissed off about it go and manage a lower league team who don't have so many fixtures. Oh, see how your salary stacks up them. Moaning twats.