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Title: deulefeu
Post by: everton1952 on October 19, 2017, 04:36:44 PM
Watching Deulefeu play for Barcelona in the Champions League made me wonder if his departure from us unavoidable. Did he want to go anyway or did Barcelona have a contractual right to sign him back, or did we blunder and just sell him? I can't remember. I know some fans had big doubts about his consistency, physical strength etc.  In our present shape he would be a breath of fresh air. What is good enough for Barca etc etc.
Title: Re: deulefeu
Post by: Lxxx on October 19, 2017, 04:42:36 PM
Let him go. He's history.
Title: Re: deulefeu
Post by: Simon Paul on October 19, 2017, 06:06:55 PM
Koeman didn't want him, Barcelona did, so they exercise their right to buy him back for around £9m

good luck to the boy, we haven't got a striker to get on the end of his crosses now anyway
Title: Re: deulefeu
Post by: brap2 on October 19, 2017, 06:08:55 PM
We do have klaassen, Sigurdsson and Rooney however who have previous for arriving late in the box to finish low driven crosses (statistically the best, most effective kind of cross and deulofeu's speciality).

I think the striker is hindering our build up play but we should be able to create chances without one - we just aren't.

But yeah, academic. Koeman didn't rate him so it doesn't really matter.
Title: Re: deulefeu
Post by: pedrotheblue on October 19, 2017, 06:28:18 PM
We do have klaassen, Sigurdsson and Rooney however who have previous for arriving late in the box to finish low driven crosses (statistically the best, most effective kind of cross and deulofeu's speciality).

I think the striker is hindering our build up play but we should be able to create chances without one - we just aren't.

But yeah, academic. Koeman didn't rate him so it doesn't really matter.

Who the hell does Koeman rate?? Not Barkley, Mirrallas, Deulofeu, Lookman... anyone spot the pattern here?
Title: Re: deulefeu
Post by: SANA_DR0 on October 19, 2017, 06:37:25 PM
Who the hell does Koeman rate?? Not Barkley, Mirrallas, Deulofeu, Lookman... anyone spot the pattern here?

He rates Vlasic so much so that he intends to play him in the middle of the pitch more.. not sure if that means as a number ten.. cos thats what we really need!!!

http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2017/10/17/everton-fans-furious-after-ronald-koeman-shares-plan-for-nikola/

https://twitter.com/Everton/status/919941453316612096/photo/1

^he said that during the post match interview!! lolol
Title: Re: deulefeu
Post by: Bluenose 91 on October 19, 2017, 06:44:51 PM
Didn't really matter what Koeman thought of him did it?

The clause was there so he was always gonna go if they chose to activate it.

How has he done for Barca so far anyway?  Can he play for longer than 25 minutes without keeling over on the touchline yet or what?
Title: Re: deulefeu
Post by: blargins on October 19, 2017, 06:48:48 PM
Koeman didn't want him, Barcelona did, so they exercise their right to buy him back for around £9m

good luck to the boy, we haven't got a striker to get on the end of his crosses now anyway

We had a striker for the past 4 seasons who rarely got on the end of his crosses, so it's a mute point. He was great for a while in his first season and really didn't do much else after.

No ill feelings towards him, he's just another player playing for another team now.
Title: Re: deulefeu
Post by: Hawkandro on October 19, 2017, 06:49:52 PM
He rates Vlasic so much so that he intends to play him in the middle of the pitch more.. not sure if that means as a number ten.. cos thats what we really need!!!

http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2017/10/17/everton-fans-furious-after-ronald-koeman-shares-plan-for-nikola/

https://twitter.com/Everton/status/919941453316612096/photo/1

^he said that during the post match interview!! lolol

Thank God, we are a bit light in the middle of the park.
Title: Re: deulefeu
Post by: SANA_DR0 on October 19, 2017, 06:52:58 PM
Didn't really matter what Koeman thought of him did it?

The clause was there so he was always gonna go if they chose to activate it.

How has he done for Barca so far anyway?  Can he play for longer than 25 minutes without keeling over on the touchline yet or what?

kinda says it all doesnt it...

why dont you watch Barca and find out? he set up the goal yesterday, He even set up Piquet for another assist but he ended up hand balling it in the box...

Quote
It was a relex. He pushed the ball with his arm. And he scored a goal that didn't count. As he already had been booked, it meant he was sent off. Gerard Pique was in the middle of the controversy as Barcelona beat Olympiakos on Wednesday. It was an action which didn't just end with the defender heading for an early shower, but also had serious consequences for Gerard Deulofeu, who was removed at half time to make way for Javier Mascherano.

Deulofeu, who returned to the starting lineup after an impressive cameo in the second half against Atletico Madrid, was offering his best form. Deulofeu was being the Deulofeu we all want to see. The Deulofeu that exists but that does not always appear. A brilliant Deulofeu, running at defences, creating danger... but the show only lasted 45 minutes.

Barça coach Ernesto Valverde decided to go with a fourth defender to cover the absence of the expelled Pique. And Deulofeu's recital ended. A shame, because it looked as if, finally, the La Masia product was going to give us an entire game at a good level, cancelling out the theory that he can only be a player for 30 minutes. Despite watching the second half from the bench, his performance excited us. A lot. 

Because what Barça need is players like Deulofeu. Brave. Daring. Someone who looks for the impossible to create superiority. He did well during his one half showing against Olympiakos. Now it remains to be seen if Valverde will give him continuity in the coming games. With what we have seen on Wednesday at Camp Nou, he deserves it.

Deulofeu played pretty well. best i've seen him play for a while. if piquet didnt get sent off.. he would have played a lot longer.
Title: Re: deulefeu
Post by: Hawkandro on October 19, 2017, 06:55:27 PM
My main issue with Deulofeu was that he appeared to have no stamina whatsoever. In the time he was here, his fitness didn't improve one bit. Would come on in the 65th minute and be blowing out of his arse come the 80th.
Title: Re: deulefeu
Post by: brap2 on October 19, 2017, 06:57:00 PM
Deulofeu wont be there for long mate please don't try and blend it that he's good enough. If he is then it's a sign of how far Barca are talking.

Re Vlasic : I mean he was a central player at split, for whatever reason we've been playing him wide.
Title: Re: deulefeu
Post by: brap2 on October 19, 2017, 06:58:14 PM
Who the hell does Koeman rate?? Not Barkley, Mirrallas, Deulofeu, Lookman... anyone spot the pattern here?

Rooney
Title: Re: deulefeu
Post by: SANA_DR0 on October 19, 2017, 07:03:21 PM
Deulofeu wont be there for long mate please don't try and blend it that he's good enough. If he is then it's a sign of how far Barca are talking.

Re Vlasic : I mean he was a central player at split, for whatever reason we've been playing him wide.

I agree with the both points bud,

just that bluenose poster stating that the player dies after 25 mins, is a  bit bitter.. yes he had stamina issues, but it wasnt every match, he got into a good run of games a few times, i know he was taken off a lot.. but to be negative on him cos he left/plays for barca is bitter..

Vlasic is a number 10/cm i agree. just dont get who he will drop to accommodate another number 10, i dont see him being a central midfielder, he doesnt have that presence.. number 10 is all i can see for him.. :s so Rooney will be the central striker/false 9, with Vlasic and Siggy behind.. thats why we struggle.. no striker and the only one we have who is a 9, hardly every played in his main position.
Title: Re: deulefeu
Post by: Polledreng on October 19, 2017, 07:03:41 PM
kinda says it all doesnt it...

why dont you watch Barca and find out? he set up the goal yesterday, He even set up Piquet for another assist but he ended up hand balling it in the box...

Deulofeu played pretty well. best i've seen him play for a while. if piquet didnt get sent off.. he would have played a lot longer.
Why should he Watch Barca to see how Delefeou is doing ??  Are you watching United to see how Lukaku is doing
Title: Re: deulefeu
Post by: SANA_DR0 on October 19, 2017, 07:04:45 PM
cos the poster asked how he is doing for Barca? what better way to tell than watching them when he plays.
Title: Re: deulefeu
Post by: Sir Stealth on October 19, 2017, 07:10:31 PM
*Pique
*Deulofeu

Cheers
Title: Re: deulefeu
Post by: SANA_DR0 on October 19, 2017, 07:16:27 PM
Why should he Watch Barca to see how Delefeou is doing ??  Are you watching United to see how Lukaku is doing

I've not asked how Lukaku is doing.. but yes i watch man utd to see how Lukaku and Fellaini are playing.. albeit i've only watched united when they both play.
Title: Re: deulefeu
Post by: Macca77 on October 19, 2017, 07:17:28 PM
*Pique
*Deulofeu

Cheers

In before me.
Title: Re: deulefeu
Post by: SANA_DR0 on October 19, 2017, 07:19:41 PM
*Pique
*Deulofeu

Cheers

Cheers. i dont really watch Barca.. so i have no idea how there players names are spelt. but i spelt Deulofeu correctly lol
In before me.

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Title: Re: deulefeu
Post by: Macca77 on October 19, 2017, 07:22:20 PM
That's Postman Pat and his black and white cat called Jess, mate.
Title: Re: deulefeu
Post by: Macca77 on October 19, 2017, 07:24:49 PM
Well now I look really silly
Title: Re: deulefeu
Post by: Sir Stealth on October 19, 2017, 07:26:00 PM
Haha our fans have always had a tough time spelling players names

Mirralas , Piennar, Lakaku, Distan amongst my favourites over the years

The best trend was of course the deliberate mis-spelling of a players name who you don't rate!

This has possibly died down due to the fact that everyone is out of form now
Title: Re: deulefeu
Post by: Toddacelli on October 19, 2017, 07:32:27 PM
Deulofeu wont be there for long mate please don't try and blend it that he's good enough. If he is then it's a sign of how far Barca are talking.

Re Vlasic : I mean he was a central player at split, for whatever reason we've been playing him wide.

Vlasic is a number 10? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?

I'm even MORE impressed with how he's played for us then, considering he's 19, never played in the PL before and is being played out of position as well!
Title: Re: deulefeu
Post by: .Matty on October 19, 2017, 07:34:58 PM
Top young talent who we had and let go. Should have been developed and kept. Instead he was shipped of to AC Milan on loan. Another of Koeman's many failings as a coach and as man manager.
Title: Re: deulefeu
Post by: Macca77 on October 19, 2017, 07:37:10 PM
His fitness was shocking to be fair, good luck to him though, genuinely hope he achieves as much as possible as Barca
Title: Re: deulefeu
Post by: Bluenose 91 on October 19, 2017, 07:51:25 PM
I agree with the both points bud,

just that bluenose poster stating that the player dies after 25 mins, is a  bit bitter.. yes he had stamina issues, but it wasnt every match, he got into a good run of games a few times, i know he was taken off a lot.. but to be negative on him cos he left/plays for barca is bitter..

Vlasic is a number 10/cm i agree. just dont get who he will drop to accommodate another number 10, i dont see him being a central midfielder, he doesnt have that presence.. number 10 is all i can see for him.. :s so Rooney will be the central striker/false 9, with Vlasic and Siggy behind.. thats why we struggle.. no striker and the only one we have who is a 9, hardly every played in his main position.

I'm not bitter at all about Deulofeu.  He had talent but was never going to make it here with such poor fitness levels.

Gave us a few good moments but wasn't too fussed when he left.
Title: Re: deulefeu
Post by: hannu on October 19, 2017, 08:04:25 PM
We had a striker for the past 4 seasons who rarely got on the end of his crosses, so it's a mute point. He was great for a while in his first season and really didn't do much else after.

No ill feelings towards him, he's just another player playing for another team now.

Moot point

Sorry everybody corrects me on here, i wanted to do it once :)
Title: Re: deulefeu
Post by: hannu on October 19, 2017, 08:06:41 PM
Deulofeu wont be there for long mate please don't try and blend it that he's good enough. If he is then it's a sign of how far Barca are talking.

Re Vlasic : I mean he was a central player at split, for whatever reason we've been playing him wide.

i knew of Vlasic last season, ive always seen him as a wide player
Title: Re: deulefeu
Post by: gizzblue on October 19, 2017, 08:08:24 PM
Deulofeu wont be there for long mate please don't try and blend it that he's good enough. If he is then it's a sign of how far Barca are talking.

Re Vlasic : I mean he was a central player at split, for whatever reason we've been playing him wide.
It's ok that's the square peg round hole Dutch influence...we've come to hate .
Title: Re: deulefeu
Post by: ally2 on October 19, 2017, 08:09:01 PM
Odd player. Probably not worth the trouble of deciphering him.
Title: Re: deulefeu
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 19, 2017, 08:48:23 PM
He's absolutely not good enough for Barcelona. He wasn't overly good at a poor Milan side. His loan deal to them almost fell through because they wouldn't agree to buy. He was shite at Sevilla too and after a good start pretty inept with us.
He'll be shipped out first chance they get. In the main he's been pretty poor for a very dominant side from the few games I've watched. When dembele is fit he'll play and when the window opens they'll sign a player that will take most of his minutes off the bench. Loads of talent. Shite on Saturdays
Title: Re: deulefeu
Post by: Simon Paul on October 19, 2017, 08:50:10 PM
We had a striker for the past 4 seasons who rarely got on the end of his crosses, so it's a mute point. He was great for a while in his first season and really didn't do much else after.

No ill feelings towards him, he's just another player playing for another team now.

Except the first half of the 2012-13 season when he and Lukaku were the most prolific front pairing in Europe, you mean?
Title: Re: deulefeu
Post by: Lxxx on October 19, 2017, 08:51:36 PM
He’ll fade into obscurity with the odd decent run of games at a mid table Spanish side to make everyone sit up and remember he still exists.
Title: Re: deulefeu
Post by: blargins on October 19, 2017, 09:24:00 PM
Moot point

Sorry everybody corrects me on here, i wanted to do it once :)

Fair dos. I'll blame the fact I wrote that at early o'clock before coffee as I normally do :)
Title: Re: deulefeu
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 19, 2017, 10:31:00 PM
Except the first half of the 2012-13 season when he and Lukaku were the most prolific front pairing in Europe, you mean?

Surely Messi and whoever or Ronaldo and whoever were more prolific. They are scoring 50 goals each a season.
Title: Re: deulefeu
Post by: SANA_DR0 on October 19, 2017, 10:40:44 PM
He’ll fade into obscurity with the odd decent run of games at a mid table Spanish side to make everyone sit up and remember he still exists.

I doubt that will happen, for the under 21/23 spain team he is usually the captain(has been the capt), In the summer he played a lot of games for spain, whole matches!! 
Title: Re: deulefeu
Post by: Simon Paul on October 19, 2017, 10:41:29 PM
Surely Messi and whoever or Ronaldo and whoever were more prolific. They are scoring 50 goals each a season.

Nope

Lukaku and Kone were also in the top three most prolific front pairings that Christmas

Stopped after Christmas obviously but for half a season we had two of the three best strike partnerships in Europe.
Title: Re: deulefeu
Post by: blargins on October 19, 2017, 10:55:51 PM
Except the first half of the 2012-13 season when he and Lukaku were the most prolific front pairing in Europe, you mean?

That's the season I was talking about. Then it all went quiet.
Title: Re: deulefeu
Post by: Lxxx on October 19, 2017, 10:59:27 PM
I doubt that will happen, for the under 21/23 spain team he is usually the captain(has been the capt), In the summer he played a lot of games for spain, whole matches!! 

What you do at that age group means nothing. It's what you do against men week in week out that counts and he's classed as a man now.
Title: Re: deulefeu
Post by: TheRam on October 19, 2017, 11:04:13 PM
Cheers. i dont really watch Barca.. so i have no idea how there players names are spelt. but i spelt Deulofeu correctly lol
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*You're
Title: Re: deulefeu
Post by: SANA_DR0 on October 19, 2017, 11:07:08 PM
*You're

lol hence the bad time. :)
Title: Re: deulefeu
Post by: SANA_DR0 on October 19, 2017, 11:08:26 PM
What you do at that age group means nothing. It's what you do against men week in week out that counts and he's classed as a man now.

aye, i agree, but he has played whole games.. 90 mins is 90 mins.. Im sure he will come good :)
Title: Re: deulefeu
Post by: BlueBeagle on October 19, 2017, 11:09:44 PM
Except the first half of the 2012-13 season when he and Lukaku were the most prolific front pairing in Europe, you mean?

For a couple of months.

Remember when Jelavic had a storming few months? A little spell of form means very little.
Title: Re: deulefeu
Post by: Simon Paul on October 19, 2017, 11:15:41 PM
For a couple of months.

Remember when Jelavic had a storming few months? A little spell of form means very little.

I take it to mean that there's a player in there who will come out when the conditions are right

Lukaku seems better at adapting to more conditions than Kone, for example, but that doesn't mean that Kone - on his day - wasn't a player

it also doesn't mean Deulofeu will be the next Lionel Messi, but it does mean that he won't be the next Brett Angell

football fans love to write players off as "shite" - like they did with Niasse when Koeman was in favour and people believed what he said.  Neither Deulofeu or Niasse are "shite" and both were worth a chance in the Everton first team this season.

Deulofeu won't give a flying fuck about that now, because he's playing for the biggest club in world football and proving to them that they were wrong to let him go.

Niasse is proving Koeman wrong each week too.

Which is nice.
Title: Re: deulefeu
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 19, 2017, 11:30:15 PM
I'd love to see the numbers you are talking about. I'm simply not having they outscored the pairings at Bayern Barca and real over any real length of time. Half a season sounds an outlandish claim. Airing on the side of caution Messi and Ronaldo must each have scored at least 20 goals in that time
Title: Re: deulefeu
Post by: BlueBeagle on October 19, 2017, 11:43:36 PM
I take it to mean that there's a player in there who will come out when the conditions are right

So he should be carried all the rest of the time when he doesn't fancy it then?

Title: Re: deulefeu
Post by: Simon Paul on October 19, 2017, 11:47:39 PM
I'd love to see the numbers you are talking about. I'm simply not having they outscored the pairings at Bayern Barca and real over any real length of time. Half a season sounds an outlandish claim. Airing on the side of caution Messi and Ronaldo must each have scored at least 20 goals in that time

we posted them on our Twitter page at the time, if I wasn't going out to the match I'd find them, but they're there for anyone to look at


also, the words were "strike partnership" - and unless we're making up teams on FIFA then Messi and Ronaldo don't play together

So he should be carried all the rest of the time when he doesn't fancy it then?

or coached more effectively to get the best out of him, what with him still being a relative child in the game

maybe that's what's happening at Barcelona?  maybe they're just better than Martinez or Koeman were at nurturing young players.
Title: Re: deulefeu
Post by: TheRam on October 19, 2017, 11:50:38 PM
lol hence the bad time. :)

Knew soon as I posted I'd been reeled in.

Title: Re: deulefeu
Post by: Simon Paul on October 19, 2017, 11:52:31 PM
found the numbers

Neymar and Suarez were top

Giroud and Ozil second

https://twitter.com/nsno/status/689782035196551168
Title: Re: deulefeu
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 20, 2017, 12:02:25 AM
we posted them on our Twitter page at the time, if I wasn't going out to the match I'd find them, but they're there for anyone to look at


also, the words were "strike partnership" - and unless we're making up teams on FIFA then Messi and Ronaldo don't play together

or coached more effectively to get the best out of him, what with him still being a relative child in the game

maybe that's what's happening at Barcelona?  maybe they're just better than Martinez or Koeman were at nurturing young players.

I don't think combined they would have beat Ronaldo or Messi. So unless their partner had a lot of own goals....
Title: Re: deulefeu
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 20, 2017, 12:04:27 AM
Oh it's clever manipulation of the stats where Ronaldo could scored 20 goals with 12 different assisters and it might only count as 2 for the best partnership
Title: Re: deulefeu
Post by: Simon Paul on October 20, 2017, 12:04:36 AM
I don't think combined they would have beat Ronaldo or Messi. So unless their partner had a lot of own goals....

well, the numbers are there

it is the partnerships who combined most effectively

obviously others scored more goals, but they were provided by a pool of different players.  These numbers - published by FIFA or something equally unreliable and biassed - were about the strike partnership's combination.
Title: Re: deulefeu
Post by: Simon Paul on October 20, 2017, 12:05:33 AM
Oh it's clever manipulation of the stats where Ronaldo could scored 20 goals with 12 different assisters and it might only count as 2 for the best partnership

yeah, bloody FIFA, manipulating the stats to make Deulofeu look good in an argument on an Everton site in two year's time

bastards, them lad
Title: Re: deulefeu
Post by: blargins on October 20, 2017, 12:13:24 AM
I do remember when the two of them were combining extremely well and were ripping it up for a couple of months. Things looked very good at that point. That was Martinez's first season.

Then Del got injured and never really staked a claim for being included long term in the first team under both Martinez and Koeman even though he had many chances. Of course Rom kept scoring and now looks even better at Utd. Perhaps they both needed better players around them?

As for Niasse, what has he done week in, week out since he's been introduced in the fold? I remember he came on and got a brace against Bournemouth and then started the next game and looked shit.

I hope he does come good, but I think his best role is that of super sub. Just like at Hull when he got 4 in 17 games.
Title: Re: deulefeu
Post by: Simon Paul on October 20, 2017, 12:17:11 AM
I do remember when the two of them were combining extremely well and were ripping it up for a couple of months. Things looked very good at that point. That was Martinez's first season.

the date is on the tweet, it was Koeman's first season (even I thought it was earlier than that, but time does strange things)
Title: Re: deulefeu
Post by: blargins on October 20, 2017, 12:19:27 AM
the date is on the tweet, it was Koeman's first season (even I thought it was earlier than that, but time does strange things)

I don't even remember that under Koeman. Don't recall Del getting that much of a look in.
Title: Re: deulefeu
Post by: Ross on October 20, 2017, 12:21:16 AM
It was during Martinez 3rd season.

And Niasse looked by far and away our most likely score against Burnley in his only start this season @blargins (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=54)
Title: Re: deulefeu
Post by: BlueBeagle on October 20, 2017, 12:28:33 AM
or coached more effectively to get the best out of him, what with him still being a relative child in the game

maybe that's what's happening at Barcelona?  maybe they're just better than Martinez or Koeman were at nurturing young players.

The 2 coaches you mentioned are seemingly polar opposites in the way they handle players. Del produced little to no improvement under the tutelage of either.

Yet he's still not been able to complete any game he's started in pedestrian matches against shit sides.
Title: Re: deulefeu
Post by: TheTone on October 20, 2017, 12:44:46 AM
he plays a bit like how people spell his name, some awful efforts, some good uns, inconsistent really
Title: Re: deulefeu
Post by: Coyb12 on October 20, 2017, 12:49:54 AM
Deulofeu has got iron lungs not good enough has many teams have to fuck him off before people get over him.
Title: Re: deulefeu
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on October 20, 2017, 12:55:41 AM
Deulofewho?
Title: Re: deulefeu
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 20, 2017, 01:50:58 AM
yeah, bloody FIFA, manipulating the stats to make Deulofeu look good in an argument on an Everton site in two year's time

bastards, them lad

Im not saying it was with an aim. It's just a daft stat though. The best partnership for me isn't what this shows. You'd still rather have many other partnerships outputs of goals and assists across the board. It's an absolute nonsense stat. Oh look Kone is on there too as if to prove my point
Title: Re: deulefeu
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 20, 2017, 01:53:23 AM
It's a bit like the Barcelona would be bottom if only Spanish players goals count stat..... a fact but also complete nonsense
Title: Re: deulefeu
Post by: Bob Sacamano on October 20, 2017, 03:52:46 AM
You done moaning yet?
Title: Re: deulefeu
Post by: van der Meyde on October 20, 2017, 03:35:20 PM
the date is on the tweet, it was Koeman's first season (even I thought it was earlier than that, but time does strange things)
It couldn't have been from Koeman's first season.

Kone didn't come close to scoring 4 goals for us last year and Higuain was at Juventus, not Napoli.
Title: Re: deulefeu
Post by: Simon Paul on October 20, 2017, 03:38:01 PM
It couldn't have been from Koeman's first season.

Kone didn't come close to scoring 4 goals for us last year and Higuain was at Juventus, not Napoli.

ah yeah, it was Martinez's last season - got my 16's and 15's mixed up

which is not a defence that can be relied on in court, just ask Adam Johnson.