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Title: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Tofifee on October 20, 2017, 04:05:18 AM
Just another James Vaughan. Be playing in league one in 2 years. Offers f**kall. Can take his mate Holgate with him, laughing and joking coming off the pitch tonight. Wanted to slap him
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: bluenuck on October 20, 2017, 04:10:26 AM
First off, hes like 20 and he is still raw. And I think it's a bit harsh. DCL was never ready to be an everyday starting CF. I think he's doing his best, but he's not ready.


But, and I can't find the post, but I said it after our 2nd game this season I believe... I can't see what everyone else sees in him. So I'm not surprised to see this thread.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Coyb12 on October 20, 2017, 04:11:24 AM
Just another James Vaughan. Be playing in league one in 2 years. Offers f**kall. Can take his mate Holgate with him, laughing and joking coming off the pitch tonight. Wanted to slap him
He is shite.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: everton1952 on October 20, 2017, 04:12:26 AM
Very ordinary like most of them. It was only in desperation people bulled him up as a number 9. He would not get a place in any PL team.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Tinga on October 20, 2017, 04:13:29 AM
What do you expect when the manager doesn't sign a replacement for a player we knew was leaving in March.  lolol Clown FC.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: TrevorSteven on October 20, 2017, 04:15:43 AM
Agree. DCL is not good enough. He is average in all aspects, Jermaine Beckford was better.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: wepull on October 20, 2017, 04:18:56 AM
Wow. Simply wow. Writing someone off who is 20 and getting so much time in PL is just moronic.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Silas on October 20, 2017, 04:21:23 AM
Ah fuck off. The lads gone from the fringe to being our main striker. Keeper pulled off a great save that stopped him from scoring tonight. There's a lot wrong at Everton right now but he's been a bright spark in nearly every turgid, crap filled Everton display
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Coyb12 on October 20, 2017, 04:22:47 AM
Wow. Simply wow. Writing someone off who is 20 and getting so much time in PL is just moronic.
What can you see in him.?
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on October 20, 2017, 04:23:29 AM
Needs a bit of refining but he will be a great player. Vaughan had 1 decent attribute, DCL has many.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Confucius on October 20, 2017, 04:23:35 AM
He is too young to be getting this flack.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Coyb12 on October 20, 2017, 04:25:33 AM
He is too young to be getting this flack.
No he isn't.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Deano Blue Boy on October 20, 2017, 04:27:27 AM
One of the worst things about this season has  been our fans. No doubt.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Jimmywhack on October 20, 2017, 04:28:18 AM
Agree. DCL is not good enough. He is average in all aspects, Jermaine Beckford was better.
Beckford tho ha ha

He'd be great as a sub to bring him on but it's way too much to ask him to be the physical focal point
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Heisenberg on October 20, 2017, 04:28:35 AM
Everton fans are really bad at directing their anger.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 20, 2017, 04:30:02 AM
I'm not writing him off as he's very young but he's not currently good enough to be playing premier league football. Honestly I'm not sure he ever will be. Certainly nothing in his performances to date that have justified comparisons with Harry Kane. He works hard puts himself about but really so far that's it.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: SANA_DR0 on October 20, 2017, 04:30:14 AM
Ah fuck off. The lads gone from the fringe to being our main striker. Keeper pulled off a great save that stopped him from scoring tonight. There's a lot wrong at Everton right now but he's been a bright spark in nearly every turgid, crap filled Everton display
Wow. Simply wow. Writing someone off who is 20 and getting so much time in PL is just moronic.

lol some over reactions tonight, he has no support, he hardly plays as the central striker.. same as holgate playing all over the shop,, it would help the players get better if they played in their correct positions..

imagine if our system actually benefited our players, like playing to the players advantages rather than Koeman mish mashing a team together..

If DCL had a striker supporting him, we had 2 wingers, a holding CM and a creative one.. i think we would do well.. aslongas martina or williams aren;t anywhere near the 1st team.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Coyb12 on October 20, 2017, 04:31:05 AM
Needs a bit of refining but he will be a great player. Vaughan had 1 decent attribute, DCL has many.
You can vault me forever on this DCL will never ever be a great player.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Confucius on October 20, 2017, 04:31:13 AM
No he isn't.

Yes he is.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Confucius on October 20, 2017, 04:31:57 AM
You can vault me forever on this DCL will never ever be a great player.


You might be right but give him a full season or two before he is thrown to he wolves.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Coyb12 on October 20, 2017, 04:32:21 AM
Yes he is.
Yes he is what?
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Silas on October 20, 2017, 04:32:33 AM
I'm not writing him off as he's very young but he's not currently good enough to be playing premier league football. Honestly I'm not sure he ever will be. Certainly nothing in his performances to date that have justified comparisons with Harry Kane. He works hard puts himself about but really so far that's it.

You're obsessed with this harry kane thing despite the fact it's barely ever been mentioned.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: TheRam on October 20, 2017, 04:33:22 AM
I'm not writing him off as he's very young but he's not currently good enough to be playing premier league football. Honestly I'm not sure he ever will be. Certainly nothing in his performances to date that have justified comparisons with Harry Kane. He works hard puts himself about but really so far that's it.

Mate abar two people compared him to Harry Kane. Fucking jib it, no ones arsed.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Confucius on October 20, 2017, 04:33:26 AM
Yes he is what?

Yes he is what huh?
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: The Analog Kid on October 20, 2017, 04:33:44 AM
You canít be slating a player that has had so little time to develop. Heís not even got into his 20ís yet and weíre expecting him to step into the striker role that our board has failed to fill.

Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Coyb12 on October 20, 2017, 04:33:52 AM

You might be right but give him a full season or two before he is thrown to he wolves.
Why?he will make a great living out of the game,but not at prem level.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Makis on October 20, 2017, 04:34:06 AM
He needs to improve his finishing. He gets into scoring positions but just can't find the net often enough.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Confucius on October 20, 2017, 04:34:30 AM
He does need to be braver in front of goal for sure.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Coyb12 on October 20, 2017, 04:34:57 AM
Yes he is what huh?
Alllllllrighty.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on October 20, 2017, 04:36:57 AM
You can vault me forever on this DCL will never ever be a great player.

He will
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Ell Capitan on October 20, 2017, 04:37:06 AM
I think people rate him because he's young and does a number of things to a reasonable standard.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Coyb12 on October 20, 2017, 04:38:18 AM
He will
Not.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: mikey_blue on October 20, 2017, 04:38:46 AM
Shit fan.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Macca77 on October 20, 2017, 04:39:08 AM
What the fuck is this!? I leave you all alone for 10 minutes and this happens
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Coyb12 on October 20, 2017, 04:41:28 AM
Shit fan.
Get a new one then.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 20, 2017, 04:45:38 AM
You're obsessed with this harry kane thing despite the fact it's barely ever been mentioned.

There was a fucking thread on it. Loads of people on here have stated how great DCL is. He's scored 1 league goal in about 20 games. It's bordering on delusional on current performances
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: wepull on October 20, 2017, 04:47:32 AM
What can you see in him.?
He's fast, decent in air, his passing skills is fine also he can with the ball when given the space, his finishing skills surely can be improved but he hasn't really missed any one on ones this season.

Given all this, I don't think he should be starting every match for a club like ours at this age. He's far from ready and should ideally been used as an option from the bench at the max. He's not ready to take on defenders of PL calibre or be the focal point of our attack. He was playing U-21s last season, played like 3-4 matches for the first team in the whole of last season and now suddenly he's our main striker and written off by our fans already. He needs time to develop his skills and I would say he's actually progressed tremendously since he first came in.

It's not his fault that he's been played in all matches which he isn't ready for and that too in a team which struggles to string 3 passes in a row in the opposition half.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Coyb12 on October 20, 2017, 04:51:59 AM
He's fast, decent in air, his passing skills is fine also he can with the ball when given the space, his finishing skills surely can be improved but he hasn't really missed any one on ones this season.

Given all this, I don't think he should be starting every match for a club like ours at this age. He's far from ready and should ideally been used as an option from the bench at the max. He's not ready to take on defenders of PL calibre or be the focal point of our attack. He was playing U-21s last season, played like 3-4 matches for the first team in the whole of last season and now suddenly he's our main striker and written off by our fans already. He needs time to develop his skills and I would say he's actually progressed tremendously since he first came in.

It's not his fault that he's been played in all matches which he isn't ready for and that too in a team which struggles to string 3 passes in a row in the opposition half.
He certainly is not fast,and he movement is non existent,he an ok player and will improve but not to any top quality standard.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Tofifee on October 20, 2017, 04:52:23 AM
You will all call koeman every name under the sun but dare I say anything about DCL and itS below the belt due to his age......hhhmmm......that would give 18 yr old Rooney a laugh! DCL is a minted footballer, I am sure he will get over it if I don't rate him ffs ! God help him the misfortune......its nothing personal against him but he, for me, offers nothing. And the sight of him and  Mason laughing walking off the pitch infuriated me. Seems this hurts me more than them.....maybe it does, I am broke.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on October 20, 2017, 04:56:00 AM
He's sound DCL
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: ally2 on October 20, 2017, 04:56:16 AM
Were they laughing?  That's a big deal for me. You hear the top players don't want to talk if they lose, they're bad losers, they feel physically sick.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Stumpy on October 20, 2017, 04:56:40 AM
I myself don't see anything in him,but it's far to early to write him off.He's not anywhere near ready to lead the the line for any premiership club,never mind us.However that's not his fault,thats down to Walsh and Koeman for leaving us with this shambles.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Tofifee on October 20, 2017, 04:56:58 AM
By the way, people giving RK abuse for not signing a striker..... Pretty sure it wasn't his doing.......the days of managers buying players are gone, RK was like a lunatic we didn't buy a striker
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Tofifee on October 20, 2017, 04:59:51 AM
Were they laughing?  That's a big deal for me. You hear the top players don't want to talk if they lose, they're bad losers, they feel physically sick.
they were, I was livid. Williams might be chronic but he had the  good grace to be genuinely disgusted post match
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: blueToffee on October 20, 2017, 05:06:22 AM
I didn't get the hype last year, I didn't think he was a particularly natural finisher for a striker. He's shown more in parts of this season though. That said, he's a bring him on with 20 mins to go when we're winning type of player right now. He's not what we should be relying on at all at this juncture.

We're absolutely desperate for a striker, a leader at that end of the pitch.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: UnsyisaRhino on October 20, 2017, 05:36:09 AM
This thread is sad, half of the stuff he's bring critised for can be attributed to our poor form, lack of confidence and the snails pace at which we move the ball. The other half is bollocks.

How anyone can say he isn't quick is beyond me, and worse than beckford?!??! Get a grip.

It's like there has been a collective loss of perspective.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Lxxx on October 20, 2017, 05:39:25 AM
He just got schooled tonight by a couple of experienced centre halves who took it in turns to bully him. Wasn't his fault. They were twice his size and he was being asked to jump for balls he had no hope of winning.

Watched him closely tonight and he looked knackered and dispirited but nearly got a great goal at the end. Cut him some slack, he should never be leading the line at his age.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 20, 2017, 05:40:40 AM
This thread is sad, half of the stuff he's bring critised for can be attributed to our poor form, lack of confidence and the snails pace at which we move the ball. The other half is bollocks.

How anyone can say he isn't quick is beyond me, and worse than beckford?!??! Get a grip.

It's like there has been a collective loss of perspective.

He's got 1 league goal. I don't see how anyone can confidently predict he's going to be a decent top flight player. Not saying he isn't but the performances haven't been good
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: SANA_DR0 on October 20, 2017, 05:44:48 AM
Were they laughing?  That's a big deal for me. You hear the top players don't want to talk if they lose, they're bad losers, they feel physically sick.

I feel theres a great camaradori in the under 23 team, which Davies, DCL, Holgate, Lookman where apart of, in their interviews they possess charisma and they get on really well / have great banta.. Least it shows that these guys aren;t down.. they have positive attitudes and they dont shy from the ball when they play.

maybe they had bets on for Koeman being sacked in the morning or more likely smiling cos they know Unsworth will be there manager again. :D
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Major Clanger on October 20, 2017, 06:22:46 AM
He's got 1 league goal. I don't see how anyone can confidently predict he's going to be a decent top flight player. Not saying he isn't but the performances haven't been good

Can you remind us all how many goals have we scored in total? Yes, exactly.

He's not the natural finisher Lukaku was at his age, but he's got a far better first touch than Lukaku will ever have, he's got a decent turn of pace and is always looking to isolate and beat defenders.

What he isn't good enough for is to be the lone striker/target man/battering ram/winger/universal outball in a dysfunctional team. But then not many players are.

He needs to work on his heading (he's good at flicking on long balls forward but not good at heading on goal) and his upper body strength. And he shouldn't be played all game every game at his age, but that shouldn't even need saying.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: gizzblue on October 20, 2017, 06:38:21 AM
He's being asked to do way to much for a young lad ffs give the lad a break ... he's showed more than half the fucking team at times being played out of position ...he's a twenty mins at the end when everyone's knackered player at the min leading the line for a shit team with no tactics and an inept manager .
This thread Sounds like a touch of jelousy .😅😅
Title: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: arteta4spain on October 20, 2017, 06:44:12 AM
The problem we have with dcl is that he's young quite inexperienced and what kind of service is he getting lately.
I said to some lad at the game, even Lukaku would have struggled to score against these tonight.
People moan about Rooney coming all the way back into midfield to retrieve the ball. Is that what you want DCL to do? Give the lad a break, we're more HOPING he can become something like Harry Kane. We aren't gonna crucify him if he doesn't. Felt for the lad tonight he tried hard and as it's been mentioned their cbs were fucking units.
Blame Koeman on this not DCL, he's trying his best and yes it's probably not good enough right now but honestly it's not his fault.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Dr. Sponge on October 20, 2017, 07:00:09 AM
Starting this thread is ridiculous.

He's 20!

And actually he's done really well in spells...

It's the club that's failed us, by not signing another striker or two.

It's embarrassing that a PL club has a 20 year old as its only recognised striker.

No other club in the league is in our position, it's absolute negligence by those who were responsible for recruitment this summer.

But to criticise DCL for any of it isn't just being a shit fan, it's fucking stupidity.

He shouldn't be burdened with shouldering this responsibility at his age.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: BlueBeagle on October 20, 2017, 12:33:24 PM
Based on the finishing he's shown to date I don't think he's a natural goalscorer
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 20, 2017, 01:54:33 PM
I'm not sure people are slagging him off or blaming him for anything just saying the jury is still out as to if he's going to have a successful career as a top flight striker

People keep implying he's done well this season but the reality is there's probably a better striker at almost every other premiership club. The reality is he's pretty much proved to not be currently good enough. I really don't understand why everyone wants to make out that's people getting on his back, it's really not. He's vastly improved from last season and currently well short of being good enough.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Waltzer on October 20, 2017, 01:56:36 PM
He's being asked to do way to much for a young lad ffs give the lad a break ... he's showed more than half the fucking team at times being played out of position ...he's a twenty mins at the end when everyone's knackered player at the min leading the line for a shit team with no tactics and an inept manager .
This thread Sounds like a touch of jelousy .😅😅

I agree, hes being put in situations that he shouldnt be. Its the failings of the board, I feel sorry for him tbh, hes doing his best with little experience at this level and here we are with some criticism him. I bet if people asked him if he thought he was ready for this he'd say no, but we have limited options so cut him some slack
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: stirlingblue on October 20, 2017, 02:04:10 PM
Great site lads
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 20, 2017, 02:05:10 PM
I agree, hes being put in situations that he shouldnt be. Its the failings of the board, I feel sorry for him tbh, hes doing his best with little experience at this level and here we are with some criticism him. I bet if people asked him if he thought he was ready for this he'd say no, but we have limited options so cut him some slack

What slack should we cut him. We don't think he's ready, you don't think he's ready and he probably doesn't think he's ready. I don't really understand the problem. No one is booing him or blaming him. Just saying he's not good enough.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Ell Capitan on October 20, 2017, 02:16:06 PM
Plenty of strikers have been miles ahead of him aged 20.

I'm not writing him off and no doubt he'll improve over time, but I just don't see the signs that he's ultimately going to turn into a quality player.

Love to be proved wrong obviously.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: BlueForYou on October 20, 2017, 07:35:12 PM
When 20 year old Trevor Steven started playing for us in 1983, people were writing him off (and the team, and Kendall) by Christmas and he didn't really get back in the side until Easter - by 1985 he was quality and playing for England

You can never predict when a player will start to come good - if at all
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Tofifee on October 20, 2017, 09:45:52 PM
you would sware he was fukin 12 the way some of ye are talking!!!
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Major Clanger on October 20, 2017, 09:50:34 PM
Plenty of strikers have been miles ahead of him aged 20.

And plenty great strikers were way behind too.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: boothill on October 20, 2017, 10:03:53 PM
to be fair to the lad, the amount of chances we were creating over the last few seasons was by far more greater than this, we are woeful at creation this season, we are are woeful at everything this season. give the lad a break till we can do something for him i say
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Ell Capitan on October 20, 2017, 10:06:09 PM
And plenty great strikers were way behind too.

For sure. I'm just pointing it out. Feels a bit from some on here that it's unacceptable to raise the possibility that DCL might not turn out to be all that good. Fact is his profile is high as he's had an unexpected, rapid progression to the first team and scored an important goal for England under 20s, but in terms of what we're actually seeing on the pitch it's nothing (in my opinion) to get excited about... and that very well may change and I hope it does. But right now the mere fact that he's playing and doing *some* things to a competent standard is not in of itself a reason to get excited. If he was doing what players like Lukaku, Owen, Rashford, Barmby, Anelka, Rooney were doing when they were 20, then yeah let's get excited. But he's not.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Major Clanger on October 20, 2017, 10:14:13 PM
For sure. I'm just pointing it out. Feels a bit from some on here that it's unacceptable to raise the possibility that DCL might not turn out to be all that good. Fact is his profile is high as he's had an unexpected, rapid progression to the first team and scored an important goal for England under 20s, but in terms of what we're actually seeing on the pitch it's nothing (in my opinion) to get excited about... and that very well may change and I hope it does. But right now the mere fact that he's playing and doing *some* things to a competent standard is not in of itself a reason to get excited. If he was doing what players like Lukaku, Owen, Rashford, Barmby, Anelka, Rooney were doing when they were 20, then yeah let's get excited. But he's not.

I I refer you to the opening post of this thread.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Tofifee on October 20, 2017, 10:14:29 PM
I fear DCL will be more Danny Cadamateri than Danny Welbeck :(
(and some of you scoffed at the idea of us buying Welbeck!)
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Ell Capitan on October 20, 2017, 10:18:52 PM
I I refer you to the opening post of this thread.

Well yes that was idiotic but there's a spectrum of opinions between that and what the "he can do no wrong" brigade are saying.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: blueski on October 20, 2017, 10:20:32 PM
still has bags of talent and potential but seems like in an ideal situation we should be mimicing (no clue how to spell that word by the way) Chelsea by sending him out on loan somewhere lower level where he can score and build up some form and confidence without the immense pressure anyone playing up top for EFC is under at the moment
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Major Clanger on October 20, 2017, 10:24:26 PM
Well yes that was idiotic but there's a spectrum of opinions between that and what the "he can do no wrong" brigade are saying.

I don't think there is a single member of this hypothetical "he can do no wrong" brigade you're mentioning. I certainly haven't seen anyone on this forum saying it.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Faceatthefence on October 20, 2017, 10:26:34 PM
Clearlry the issue is the football club,here we have a one and half million chance buy thats improved since his arrival thats clearly obvious.What is also staring you in the face is DCL is nowhere near good enough to lead the line for any Premier league outfit.Massive responsibility for the  lad in a piss poor side trying to play off scraps,if the club attends to business he would still be on the bench learning his trade in the normal progressive manner.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Ell Capitan on October 20, 2017, 10:28:33 PM
Con said he's too young to be getting flack and 20 people liked it.

Interesting that Lukaku at the same age here divided opinion and was criticised plenty, despite actually scoring shit loads of goals.

Obviously I'm mostly just jealous of Con for getting 20 likes.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 20, 2017, 10:28:47 PM
I don't think there is a single member of this hypothetical "he can do no wrong" brigade you're mentioning. I certainly haven't seen anyone on this forum saying it.

I can't remember who it was but 1 person implied he was the best young player in the world.

I've no clue what he's going to become but I think it's a fair comment to suggest he might not even have a future in the top flight. I just don't see it when he plays.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Major Clanger on October 20, 2017, 10:39:06 PM
I can't remember who it was but 1 person implied he was the best young player in the world.

That's still a very thin brigade :)
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: BlueForYou on October 20, 2017, 10:40:58 PM
One of the angry birds on here
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Gary1878 on October 20, 2017, 10:43:05 PM
There are plenty of far worse things about Everton to discuss than this. DCL is one of the only bright sparks of the season, and now fans are trying to get on his back.

He has put in some decent displays this season so far, unlike most of our squad. Leave him alone.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 20, 2017, 10:44:22 PM
That's still a very thin brigade :)

Of course. There's a lot who view him a lot more positive than any of what he's done on the pitch though. Maybe they watch a lot of youth football.
I think people just want anything to cling to.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 20, 2017, 10:45:45 PM
There are plenty of far worse things about Everton to discuss than this. DCL is one of the only bright sparks of the season, and now fans are trying to get on his back.

He has put in some decent displays this season so far, unlike most of our squad. Leave him alone.

I don't really see the bright sparks. He's been as poor as everyone else.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: BlueForYou on October 20, 2017, 10:47:40 PM
We all need something to cling on to
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Gary1878 on October 20, 2017, 10:55:47 PM
I don't really see the bright sparks. He's been as poor as everyone else.

Really? He has been as poor as Williams? Martina? Schnederlin? Sandro? Klaasen? Really? Are you seriously tarnishing him with the same brush as the aforementioned players?
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: D15TIN on October 20, 2017, 11:53:13 PM
He needs a run of goals, saw in the U20 world cup and in patches this season that as a STRIKER he's got potential

Likes of Klaasen & Sandro concern me more than him by a long way. Klaasen mostly.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 21, 2017, 12:12:04 AM
Really? He has been as poor as Williams? Martina? Schnederlin? Sandro? Klaasen? Really? Are you seriously tarnishing him with the same brush as the aforementioned players?

Yeah pretty much he has. He's done next to nothing. Williams last night produced a better performance than DCL has all season. You're talking in fractions. He's been better than some worse than others but there's not anyone who's been close to being good. I really just don't see it with him.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: SANA_DR0 on October 21, 2017, 01:10:53 AM
I watched the Williams incident again, Davies Holgate and DCL where the first players running to support Williams.. they care for the club, they are passionate towards the club.. all 3 of them got involved with the Lyon players.. yet Schneiderlin / Martina / dont show any of that...

These kids have the Everton mindframe/sprit, only a few of our senior players know what it means to play for Everton... lots of players brought in know fuck all what Everton is/means... the only reason the kids have it is due to Unsworth, the reason some senior players have it is due to Moyes / Martinez... Koeman has never shown himself to care for the club values we have had.. hence his players seem to give up.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: BlueForYou on October 21, 2017, 02:27:56 AM
Who has brought those youngsters in and persevered with them?

Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Bob Sacamano on October 21, 2017, 02:59:52 AM
Kids a baller. If you havenít seen his classy little touches and flicks then it sucks to be you.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: blueToffee on October 21, 2017, 03:08:20 AM
Yeah pretty much he has. He's done next to nothing. Williams last night produced a better performance than DCL has all season. You're talking in fractions. He's been better than some worse than others but there's not anyone who's been close to being good. I really just don't see it with him.

I agree with the fact that he's not been that good over the course of his appearances to date. He had a great game against Man City, but it's only been little moments aside from that game. Akin in some ways to Lookman (obviously he's had far less playing time).

Unless he's scoring goals or assisting us in scoring through hold up play then I don't think much else counts. And he hasn't done either of those things enough. I suppose he might just be the best option we have but that doesn't necessarily mean he's good enough.

If we had actually signed a striker this wouldn't have been a conversation as he'd not be playing much.

I appreciate people don't want to knock him as he's young, but he's playing for a PL club here with apparent aspirations of European football. So it's just a simple question of is he good enough for that job currently?

There are no goal or assist tallies that would suggest he was close right now.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 21, 2017, 03:58:08 AM
Kids a baller. If you havenít seen his classy little touches and flicks then it sucks to be you.

You're very easily pleased.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Bob Sacamano on October 21, 2017, 05:17:42 AM
You're very easily pleased.

Could be. Either way, I enjoy watching him try entertaining things. Better than the rest of them trying absolutely nothing. Kidís a baller.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: TheRam on October 21, 2017, 06:30:38 AM
I like him.

Think he's got all the attributes to be a really good player.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: SANA_DR0 on October 21, 2017, 05:48:34 PM
would help DCL alot if he had a proper number 9 to learn the game off of. but i guess Koemans expects him  to be Lukaku-esque. beat 3 men and score each time.. i feel sorry he does all the donkey work, hardly anyone is near him to support.. we have no creativity in the centre,. but yet Evertonians still blame DCL.

i guess you guys expexct him to be lukaku too.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 21, 2017, 05:55:13 PM
would help DCL alot if he had a proper number 9 to learn the game off of. but i guess Koemans expects him  to be Lukaku-esque. beat 3 men and score each time.. i feel sorry he does all the donkey work, hardly anyone is near him to support.. we have no creativity in the centre,. but yet Evertonians still blame DCL.

i guess you guys expexct him to be lukaku too.

Blame him for what? Genuine question what do you think people are blaming him for?
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: SANA_DR0 on October 21, 2017, 06:00:08 PM
Blame him for what? Genuine question what do you think people are blaming him for?

for being a shit striker.. not being good enough.. its not what i think people are blaming him for.. its that they have blamed him. poor lad probably doesnt know if he is playing left winger, right wing back or central striker..

DCL has skills, he has good technique, pretty good first touch, he just needs plays around him so he has someone to pass/help him.. Posters are moaning that he cant keep the ball, he has no one close enough to pass to, when he does the donkey work. no one is there.. be so different if he had a striker partner..

the system/formation doesnt make DCL look good, as i said previous post, Koeman expects DCL to be Lukaku v2.0.. our midfield is so far behind supporting DCL.. i guess thats what happens when you have 2 nullifying players in the middle..
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 21, 2017, 06:20:00 PM
for being a shit striker.. not being good enough.. its not what i think people are blaming him for.. its that they have blamed him. poor lad probably doesnt know if he is playing left winger, right wing back or central striker..

DCL has skills, he has good technique, pretty good first touch, he just needs plays around him so he has someone to pass/help him.. Posters are moaning that he cant keep the ball, he has no one close enough to pass to, when he does the donkey work. no one is there.. be so different if he had a striker partner..

the system/formation doesnt make DCL look good, as i said previous post, Koeman expects DCL to be Lukaku v2.0.. our midfield is so far behind supporting DCL.. i guess thats what happens when you have 2 nullifying players in the middle..


You think he's currently good enough to lead the line for a team with ambitions to finish in the top 6. Not sure I'm "blaming him" for it but I absolutely don't think he currently is. You've obviously seen something I haven't

Kane, Sanchez, Lukaku, aguero, mane, morata. They are the forwards (well some of them) that play for the sides that finished last season above us. In fact I'd say probably almost every side in the league has a forward who's currently better. You genuinely don't think playing DCL almost all the time is 1 of our admittedly many problems??
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: TheRam on October 21, 2017, 06:21:08 PM
Lads, stop with the shit straw man arguments.

No one expects him to be Lukaku, no one thinks he's as good as Harry Kane.

Painful to read this.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: pjk on October 21, 2017, 06:21:14 PM
DCL cost 1.5 mill and is 20 years of age. He's carrying the hopes of thousands of Evertonians and isn't ready to carry that burden in the prem. The team is not playing well, but no one, in general, can fault him for effort. He needs time to learn and improve. People being critical of his qualities should give the lad a break and take into account the form of the team and the level of expectations, that are being unfairly expressed here.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: SANA_DR0 on October 21, 2017, 06:22:30 PM

You think he's currently good enough to lead the line for a team with ambitions to finish in the top 6. Not sure I'm "blaming him" for it but I absolutely don't think he currently is. You've obviously seen something I haven't

Kane, Sanchez, Lukaku, aguero, mane, morata. They are the forwards (well some of them) that play for the sides that finished last season above us. In fact I'd say probably almost every side in the league has a forward who's currently better. You genuinely don't think playing DCL almost all the time is 1 of our admittedly many problems??

im not saying that. im saying that we have no one else who is a number 9.
Relying on a 20 year old. who is being played out of position with no support, is not his fault. thats down to the management for fucking up buying some strikers. He shouldnt be starting every game. but if he is, he needs people around him.

Every team in the league has a few strikers, apart from us. THAT IS NOT DCL'S  FAULT.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Tofifee on October 21, 2017, 06:40:08 PM
Lads, stop with the shit straw man arguments.

No one expects him to be Lukaku, no one thinks he's as good as Harry Kane.

Painful to read this.

Right now I waould accept is he was the new JMM or Brian MacBride!
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: School of Science on October 21, 2017, 06:43:02 PM
Jesus the only thing I'm happy about this year is the young players, it's the older more experienced ones who are letting us down.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 21, 2017, 06:44:58 PM
Lads, stop with the shit straw man arguments.

No one expects him to be Lukaku, no one thinks he's as good as Harry Kane.

Painful to read this.

He's currently not good enough. Who is he currently better than who's played similar minutes this season? I'm not blaming him but to suggest he's not 1 of our many problems is laughable

The lad has 1 league goal in how many games? Of course he's not helped by the shower of shit behind him but the shower of shit behind him aren't helped by him either

He may well be currently the worst regular starting striker in the league. I'm genuinely curious as to who's on the list of strikers we think he's currently better than.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: SANA_DR0 on October 21, 2017, 06:45:29 PM
Jesus the only thing I'm happy about this year is the young players, it's the older more experienced ones who are letting us down.

totally this.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: SANA_DR0 on October 21, 2017, 06:47:32 PM
He's currently not good enough. Who is he currently better than who's played similar minutes this season? I'm not blaming him but to suggest he's not 1 of our many problems is laughable

The lad has 1 league goal in how many games? Of course he's not helped by the shower of shit behind him but the shower of shit behind him aren't helped by him either

He may well be currently the worst regular starting striker in the league. I'm genuinely curious as to who's on the list of strikers we think he's currently better than.


if you've read. we all know he is better than none of them.

but that comes down to management for not buying a better striker.

which striker do we have that your think is better than dcl
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 21, 2017, 06:48:22 PM
DCL cost 1.5 mill and is 20 years of age. He's carrying the hopes of thousands of Evertonians and isn't ready to carry that burden in the prem. The team is not playing well, but no one, in general, can fault him for effort. He needs time to learn and improve. People being critical of his qualities should give the lad a break and take into account the form of the team and the level of expectations, that are being unfairly expressed here.

See I don't think anyone is giving him a hard time. I'm not questioning his effort. I'm not questioning his value compared to what we paid. I'm openingly admitting I've no clue how to rate potential past current performances. All I'm saying is that currently he's nowhere near good enough to play regular premier league minutes. People seem to be arguing with me while in fact agreeing.
Not blaming the lad for anything but he's been no better and no worse than the rest of them which is pretty shit so far this season
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 21, 2017, 06:49:55 PM
im not saying that. im saying that we have no one else who is a number 9.
Relying on a 20 year old. who is being played out of position with no support, is not his fault. thats down to the management for fucking up buying some strikers. He shouldnt be starting every game. but if he is, he needs people around him.

Every team in the league has a few strikers, apart from us. THAT IS NOT DCL'S  FAULT.


It's not Williams fault that we didn't sign pique. Who is blaming DCL for not signing a striker. I thought we were blaming a combination of Walsh koeman and or moshiri
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: SANA_DR0 on October 21, 2017, 06:51:53 PM
also playing him in his preferred role would have helped his development...

lol at the williams comment...
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 21, 2017, 06:53:11 PM

if you've read. we all know he is better than none of them.

but that comes down to management for not buying a better striker.

which striker do we have that your think is better than dcl


I don't think we have any strikers at all. That doesn't make DCL good enough. We seem to be arguing completely different things here while at the same time in complete agreement.

He's possibly the best forward we have (probably sandro who knows) he's also currently a bit shit.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: pjk on October 21, 2017, 06:54:19 PM
See I don't think anyone is giving him a hard time. I'm not questioning his effort. I'm not questioning his value compared to what we paid. I'm openingly admitting I've no clue how to rate potential past current performances. All I'm saying is that currently he's nowhere near good enough to play regular premier league minutes. People seem to be arguing with me while in fact agreeing.
Not blaming the lad for anything but he's been no better and no worse than the rest of them which is pretty shit so far this season



He does deserve more room than the out and out criticism that he's getting here. My post is a general post pointing this out. Not a post aimed at anyone in particular. The whole issue speaks for itself.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 21, 2017, 06:59:16 PM


He does deserve more room than the out and out criticism that he's getting here. My post is a general post pointing this out. Not a post aimed at anyone in particular. The whole issue speaks for itself.

Of course he does he's young and not ready. I actually don't have much of a problem with any of them personally. Not being talented enough isn't a reason to dislike them. I have more of an issue with someone who doesn't try hard enough and I wouldn't level that at any of them
I do think people are making out his performances have been something they haven't. I do think there's a list of players who get blamed for being shit and then on top blamed for others being shit too. Personally at least this season they've all been shit together.

If we had to vote for player of the year now...... Pickford for being okay/ the rest wouldn't be worth a vote between them
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Bob Sacamano on October 21, 2017, 07:13:46 PM
Lads, stop with the shit straw man arguments.

No one expects him to be Lukaku, no one thinks he's as good as Harry Kane.

Painful to read this.

I canít see any way around this other than @Simon Paul (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=1) deleting the entire forum.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Ridge on October 21, 2017, 10:10:32 PM
Is this the Lukaku effect? Lukaku was shit, but at least he got goals type thing.

I don't get complaints about DCL finishing, he's been taking shots well and has been unlucky to not score off a limited number of chances.

But he looks calm, composed in front of goal, and when the goals and confidence comes, he'll be one of our best players. His inteliigence of movement compared to Niasse, Sandro, is day and night.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 21, 2017, 10:40:44 PM
Is this the Lukaku effect? Lukaku was shit, but at least he got goals type thing.

I don't get complaints about DCL finishing, he's been taking shots well and has been unlucky to not score off a limited number of chances.

But he looks calm, composed in front of goal, and when the goals and confidence comes, he'll be one of our best players. His inteliigence of movement compared to Niasse, Sandro, is day and night.


Sandro did score 16 goals in la liga.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Ridge on October 21, 2017, 10:51:40 PM
Sandro did score 16 goals in la liga.

5 of those were free kicks, the rest he tended to use his pace to find space or opening, or he wellied it from around the box.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Ridge on October 21, 2017, 11:04:52 PM
DCL is far more aware of what's going on around him, and who's where. He almost a target man, he has pace, but he's operating as part of the team in a way that others only tend to do indirectly.

Niasse is direct and relentless a bit like Vardy, in terms of lots of graft and not many touches. A look through this season, he's pretty much the only player who is winning possession back in opponents half. But he's a head down and run type player and if someone comes into view, he'll see them.

With Sandro, I think it's about finding ways to utilise his pace. Defence splitting passes and using his pace to create space for others. He has a great touch and a superb technique for shooting, but he doesn't have a lot of time on the ball or retain possession in tight spaces.

DCL offers us the chance to build more well rounded attacks, as he can link up and chances created are more design than luck.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Ross on October 22, 2017, 12:11:28 AM
https://twitter.com/EvertonNewsFeed/status/919618715775324163
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Silas on October 22, 2017, 12:17:11 AM
I wonder why DCL and Sandro haven't been tried much together since every other combination of players has been tried. Could imagine them complementing her
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: blueToffee on October 22, 2017, 12:26:31 AM
Is this the Lukaku effect? Lukaku was shit, but at least he got goals type thing.

I don't get complaints about DCL finishing, he's been taking shots well and has been unlucky to not score off a limited number of chances.

But he looks calm, composed in front of goal, and when the goals and confidence comes, he'll be one of our best players. His inteliigence of movement compared to Niasse, Sandro, is day and night.

DCL has scored 1 goal in almost 20 appearances. That isnít a statistic that brings confidence. It doesnít mean you write him off, but you donít build your attack around it either.

Lukaku wasnít shit.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: blueToffee on October 22, 2017, 12:28:37 AM
How many goals do you think heíd get if he was used about the same amount over the course of the rest of the season?

I canít imagine anyone would say double figures.

Would anyone be confident saying more than 5?
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: gizzblue on October 22, 2017, 12:31:30 AM
DCL has scored 1 goal in almost 20 appearances. That isn't a statistic that brings confidence. It doesn't mean you write him off, but you don't build your attack around it either.

Lukaku wasn't shit.
Well we cant build it round Rooney ..he goes awol all over the pitch  ,Sandro is a worse shout than DCL as he does most his best off the right wing ,who do you suggest Niasse ?.

Not being a twat just curious .
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Ross on October 22, 2017, 12:32:02 AM
DCL has scored 1 goal in almost 20 appearances. That isnít a statistic that brings confidence. It doesnít mean you write him off, but you donít build your attack around it either.

Lukaku wasnít shit.

But weíre not building our attack round him are we, given heís played about 5 times as a centre forward and the rest out wide, either side, or wingback. 
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: blueToffee on October 22, 2017, 12:44:24 AM
But weíre not building our attack round him are we, given heís played about 5 times as a centre forward and the rest out wide, either side, or wingback. 

Build the attack around him, or even have him as a regular starter, whatever the barometer my point is his stats donít back up having him anywhere near a regular starting berth of a side that is meant too have European ambitions. I feel I have to caveat this every time, that doesnít mean youíre writing him off but how anyone can really argue heís ready to be a starter based on 1 goal and 2 assists over the course of half a season of appearances is just bizarre.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Silas on October 22, 2017, 12:46:19 AM
Build the attack around him, or even have him as a regular starter, whatever the barometer my point is his stats donít back up having him anywhere near a regular starting berth of a side that is meant too have European ambitions. I feel I have to caveat this every time, that doesnít mean youíre writing him off but how anyone can really argue heís ready to be a starter based on 1 goal and 2 assists over the course of half a season of appearances is just bizarre.

I think most would agree he shouldn't be starting near as much as he has but there's only Rooney who has looked capable of a goal so it's understandable why he has. It's no indictment of Calvert Lewin that he isn't doing much right now, it's a massive indictment of club and manager but I think we are agreeing on that.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Ridge on October 22, 2017, 12:50:30 AM
DCL has scored 1 goal in almost 20 appearances. That isnít a statistic that brings confidence. It doesnít mean you write him off, but you donít build your attack around it either.

Lukaku wasnít shit.

That scoring record was mainly from playing out wide, and very few youngsters score prolifically from the off, you need the goals to build the confidence, not just personally, but in the players around. More others play with him, better supply will get and if DCL starts getting goals, players will look for him and trust him to finish.

Yeah, Lukaku wasn't shit, my point was the people who had a low opinion of him, are probably now baffled how we got worse.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: blueToffee on October 22, 2017, 12:52:46 AM
Well we cant build it round Rooney ..he goes awol all over the pitch  ,Sandro is a worse shout than DCL as he does most his best off the right wing ,who do you suggest Niasse ?.

Not being a twat just curious .

We donít have much in the way of good options. Weíve totally shot ourselves in both feet by selling Lukaku without bringing in a replacement. Just staggering level of incompetence by all concerned. Tactics and man management aside our biggest f up was recruitment this summer.

The point of this is not who is better itís more is he good enough for what we need? Heís not ready yet for more than mostly cameos right now IMO. I think the stats back that up too. He had a man of the match performance versus Man City but itís been pretty sporadic other than that in terms of contribution. Given his age you have to expect that though.

I canít imagine many people donít want us to go buy a striker the second the window opens though. So that canít be too outlandish a sentiment. We canít hope to win many games if one of main attacking threats is putting up numbers like 1 goal in 20 with 2 assists. Lukaku has probably already scored more than he will over the entire season.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Ell Capitan on October 22, 2017, 12:53:26 AM
I don't think DCL has confidence issues. If anything, that's one of his greatest strengths.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: blueToffee on October 22, 2017, 12:54:10 AM
I think most would agree he shouldn't be starting near as much as he has but there's only Rooney who has looked capable of a goal so it's understandable why he has. It's no indictment of Calvert Lewin that he isn't doing much right now, it's a massive indictment of club and manager but I think we are agreeing on that.

Yep, absolutely. This isnít a situation he should have been put in, but we do need better options I believe to compete.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Ross on October 22, 2017, 01:10:08 AM
Build the attack around him, or even have him as a regular starter, whatever the barometer my point is his stats donít back up having him anywhere near a regular starting berth of a side that is meant too have European ambitions. I feel I have to caveat this every time, that doesnít mean youíre writing him off but how anyone can really argue heís ready to be a starter based on 1 goal and 2 assists over the course of half a season of appearances is just bizarre.

Heís 20 and regularly asked to play in 2 or 3 different positions unfamiliar to his natural game. He shouldnít be getting judged on his strike rate, or even harshly judged at all given heís being shunted round so much. Especially in a team thatís creating so little, itís hardly Stuart Barlow levels for chances heís spurned.

Thereís very little point in critiquing any of these new or young players while the tactics, selections and formations are so random game after game.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 22, 2017, 01:28:33 AM
Heís 20 and regularly asked to play in 2 or 3 different positions unfamiliar to his natural game. He shouldnít be getting judged on his strike rate, or even harshly judged at all given heís being shunted round so much. Especially in a team thatís creating so little, itís hardly Stuart Barlow levels for chances heís spurned.

Thereís very little point in critiquing any of these new or young players while the tactics, selections and formations are so random game after game.


100% agreed.  I'm very impressed that the young man hasn't let his head hang down.  Showing great character, in my opinion.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: blueToffee on October 22, 2017, 01:48:38 AM
Heís 20 and regularly asked to play in 2 or 3 different positions unfamiliar to his natural game. He shouldnít be getting judged on his strike rate, or even harshly judged at all given heís being shunted round so much. Especially in a team thatís creating so little, itís hardly Stuart Barlow levels for chances heís spurned.

Thereís very little point in critiquing any of these new or young players while the tactics, selections and formations are so random game after game.


It's not like there isn't sympathy for the position he's in but ultimately the PL is a very tough league if you're playing no matter your age be it on the older or younger end of the spectrum you get graded according to what is expected from a PL footballer. Once again, I'll stress that doesn't mean you write him off but it does mean he needs to contribute more be it goal scoring or assists to justify his place.

You may not want to judge him on scoring or assists but that's how this team will in large part be judged at the end of the season.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Martip on October 22, 2017, 01:52:23 AM
Good graft fook all end product unfortunately.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Ross on October 22, 2017, 02:20:31 AM
It's not like there isn't sympathy for the position he's in but ultimately the PL is a very tough league if you're playing no matter your age be it on the older or younger end of the spectrum you get graded according to what is expected from a PL footballer. Once again, I'll stress that doesn't mean you write him off but it does mean he needs to contribute more be it goal scoring or assists to justify his place.

You may not want to judge him on scoring or assists but that's how this team will in large part be judged at the end of the season.

So if Davies is dropped back into a defensive midfielder position with Schneiderlins injury and we keep on getting run through the middle heís next on the block?

Or if he he gets pushed out to wingback and doesnít create any chances and we keep on conceding?
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: blueToffee on October 22, 2017, 02:57:13 AM
So if Davies is dropped back into a defensive midfielder position with Schneiderlins injury and we keep on getting run through the middle heís next on the block?

Or if he he gets pushed out to wingback and doesnít create any chances and we keep on conceding?

Well yes, if he's getting picked to play a position and he can't do it then...yes he shouldn't get picked for that position. There would be no point knocking the confidence of the player and/or hurting the team. If DCL can't adequately contribute in any position other than no.9 then no he shouldn't be in the lineup aside from that position. IF he can't contribute enough in that no.9 position, then he should be on the bench. If he repeatedly doesn't make an impact when he comes on from the bench, maybe he'd be better off going out on loan.

Doesn't mean there any extenuating circumstances but if a player isn't contributing in a position he shouldn't be played there.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: TheTone on October 22, 2017, 03:01:24 AM
just shouldn't be starting at this level yet, doing his best like, I think he'll be decent when he fills out, just hope all this shit we're going through doesn't ruin him

did he really break up with that bird? if so then that's a positive , she's no good for any mans career
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: BlueForYou on October 22, 2017, 04:21:25 PM
At 20, he's easily old enough to play at this level - but he's not up there with the exceptional Rashford..................... .......yet

Keep playing him
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Rodenplav64 on October 22, 2017, 04:33:45 PM
I don't think you can judge him given the shambles of a team he is in at the minute . No pace and no creativity across the middle or on the wings so how exactly is he meant to make an impact ?
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Ridge on October 22, 2017, 05:13:57 PM
I do think he'll be capable of 15-25 goals in future seasons. Depending on service

Would expect somewhere nearer 8-10 goals this season. But he'll improve, get more goals as season goes on, service improves.

Lukaku only got 10 goals the season we paid £28m for him. And he had lot more experience at same age.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: SANA_DR0 on October 22, 2017, 06:46:25 PM





class.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: SANA_DR0 on October 22, 2017, 06:56:22 PM
you can hate even more  :D

Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Martip on October 22, 2017, 07:21:47 PM
I do think he'll be capable of 15-25 goals in future seasons. Depending on service

Would expect somewhere nearer 8-10 goals this season. But he'll improve, get more goals as season goes on, service improves.

Lukaku only got 10 goals the season we paid £28m for him. And he had lot more experience at same age.
Gotta be honest I haven't seen anything to suggest he 'll reach anywhere near that level.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Realist on October 22, 2017, 09:41:24 PM
Heís garbage - the new Cadamarteri minus the goals
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: TheRam on October 22, 2017, 09:42:03 PM
He was good today.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Realist on October 22, 2017, 09:47:37 PM
He was good today.

I think heís overrated and nowhere near good enough
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Bluedylan on October 22, 2017, 09:48:44 PM
Heís garbage - the new Cadamarteri minus the goals

You're garbage. The new Cadamarteri of the comment section.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 22, 2017, 09:49:07 PM
He was good today.

Was he. I think he's getting a completely free pass because the rest of them are shite: couple of bits of clever play here and there to win throw ins that was about his limit. When did they become good?
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Coyb12 on October 22, 2017, 09:49:35 PM
He was good today.
At what?
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Ridge on October 22, 2017, 09:50:00 PM
I think heís overrated and nowhere near good enough

That's pretty consistent with your view of every player, so think we'll put that in the unsurprising pile.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Realist on October 22, 2017, 09:50:03 PM
You're garbage. The new Cadamarteri of the comment section.

Weíre not here to discuss me & that was poor btw
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Realist on October 22, 2017, 09:51:10 PM
That's pretty consistent with your view of every player, so think we'll put that in the unsurprising pile.

Incorrect, who else have I called overrated?
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: TheRam on October 22, 2017, 09:51:31 PM
I think heís overrated and nowhere near good enough

That's because you're a reactionary simpleton mate.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Realist on October 22, 2017, 09:53:00 PM
That's because you're a reactionary simpleton mate.

Thatís your opinion it doesnít matter to me
If you think Calvert Lewin is good then quite frankly youíre stupid
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: hill135 on October 22, 2017, 09:53:56 PM
Oh my god ban this fucking wum already.

He relishes us being this shite.

I know it's poor forum etiquette for me to say it but everyone on here is thinking it!
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Ridge on October 22, 2017, 09:53:56 PM
Incorrect, who else have I called overrated?

Don't know, I generally don't pay much attention.

But only recall you complaining about anyone and everything
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Bob Sacamano on October 22, 2017, 09:55:00 PM
Thatís your opinion it doesnít matter to me
If you think Calvert Lewin is good then quite frankly youíre stupid

Ha. Losing your head you dopey prick.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Realist on October 22, 2017, 09:55:56 PM
Oh my god ban this fucking wum already.

He relishes us being this shite.

I know it's poor forum etiquette for me to say it but everyone on here is thinking it!

 :'(
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Realist on October 22, 2017, 09:57:01 PM
Ha. Losing your head you dopey prick.

Not @ all Bob Zopiclone, Iím just having a debate. So go an bore someone else
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Bob Sacamano on October 22, 2017, 09:57:04 PM
Oh my god ban this fucking wum already.

He relishes us being this shite.

I know it's poor forum etiquette for me to say it but everyone on here is thinking it!

Literally the shittest poster Iíve had the displeasure of reading posts from in nearly ten years. Horrendous opinions and puts them across like a right cunt.

He makes this place far less enjoyable. Just waiting for us to lose and then jumps on his soap box. The dopey prick.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Bob Sacamano on October 22, 2017, 09:58:16 PM
Not @ all Bob Zopiclone, Iím just having a debate. So go an bore someone else

Nah, youíre just a bad dopey prick who trolls to the max but is too dopey to cleverly disguise it.

Probably the shittest poster that Iíve ever seen on here.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Martip on October 22, 2017, 10:01:15 PM
All bickering aside I don't think dcl would get into any other prem team atm. On that basis he shouldn't be in ours and I feel that we have tended toboveraye what he brings to the table....i mean his goals/assists ratio per game played must be horrific.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: hill135 on October 22, 2017, 10:02:32 PM
Literally the shittest poster Iíve had the displeasure of reading posts from in nearly ten years. Horrendous opinions and puts them across like a right cunt.

He makes this place far less enjoyable. Just waiting for us to lose and then jumps on his soap box. The dopey prick.

Completely agree. Some stiff competition but definitely up there with the worst.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Realist on October 22, 2017, 10:03:30 PM
Nah, youíre just a bad dopey prick who trolls to the max but is too dopey to cleverly disguise it.

Probably the shittest poster that Iíve ever seen on here.

Iím not trolling Iím giving my opinion on Calvert Lewin - no different to anyone else giving their opinion but you take exception to mine - why? Weirdo
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Bob Sacamano on October 22, 2017, 10:04:10 PM
Iím not trolling Iím giving my opinion on Calvert Lewin - no different to anyone else giving their opinion but you take exception to mine - why? Weirdo

Youíre getting a reaction, what more do you want?
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Realist on October 22, 2017, 10:05:32 PM
Youíre getting a reaction, what more do you want?
You didnít answer my question - Iím giving my opinion & other people are giving theirs, so why did you take exception to mine?
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Realist on October 22, 2017, 10:09:15 PM
Completely agree. Some stiff competition but definitely up there with the worst.

Dry your eyes mate
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Ridge on October 22, 2017, 10:11:48 PM
But just saying I think he's shit, is pointless, its like a little Britain sketch. Well done, have a cookie, thanks for the input.

You'll probably get more anger because of how shit we played. And not sure why you have such pessimistic view, so hope you just take moment to chill and maybe step away, or tone it down a little.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Trublue on October 22, 2017, 10:12:03 PM
I thing DCL is doing a great job. We're asking a kid to do a man's job, in a poor team against better players. He did a good job of holding the ball up. To moan about him is stupid.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: blueToffee on October 22, 2017, 10:12:15 PM
He was decent...but ultimately lacking in end product again. Heís kinda floating through games, slightly, just slightly like Rodwell did.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: pjk on October 22, 2017, 10:14:22 PM
You're playing with peoples feelings when they're at a low ebb. That's pretty cowardly. It's even worse when your sense of sadistic gratification comes flowing out. That's when you start twisting the knife like some inadequate sexual pervert. Give yourself a break and go somewhere where you are appreciated. It's not here, that's unequivocal.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 22, 2017, 10:15:28 PM
He has moments of good play. Holds it up well here or there. Battles and wins a throw or corner. Ultimately that doesn't add up to a decent performance though
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: gizzblue on October 22, 2017, 10:16:18 PM
One of the very few again who stood up to be counted along side Vlasic two of the best easily today ...anyone thinking otherwise needs to give their head a wobble.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Bob Sacamano on October 22, 2017, 10:16:21 PM
You didnít answer my question - Iím giving my opinion & other people are giving theirs, so why did you take exception to mine?

Took exception to @KoemansNumberTens (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=3905) too. But thatís neither here nor there. Sometimes dopey pricks need to be told theyíre being a dopey prick.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: blueToffee on October 22, 2017, 10:16:26 PM
I thing DCL is doing a great job. We're asking a kid to do a man's job, in a poor team against better players. He did a good job of holding the ball up. To moan about him is stupid.

Youíre kinda contradicting yourself though. Youíre basically saying yourself heís been asked to do a job that is a bit beyond him at this stage in his development, ergo heís not ready. We can say heís doing the best he can, but that doesnít mean he should be in the side.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: dazfrancis on October 22, 2017, 10:18:44 PM
You're kinda contradicting yourself though. You're basically saying yourself he's been asked to do a job that is a bit beyond him at this stage in his development, ergo he's not ready. We can say he's doing the best he can, but that doesn't mean he should be in the side.
But who else from the current squad would you have in the side in front of him?

Niasse?
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Ridge on October 22, 2017, 10:19:23 PM
I think he still feels like a young player, and he'll take more authority and demand ball more as he grows into team.

Lukaku aside, I think he's potentially best forward we've had in PL. He has everything you want from a forward, and goals will come with good chances
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Realist on October 22, 2017, 10:19:26 PM
I thing DCL is doing a great job. We're asking a kid to do a man's job, in a poor team against better players. He did a good job of holding the ball up. To moan about him is stupid.

If youíre good enough youíre old enough, heís not premiership standard
Sorry if all the sensitive forumers donít like my views
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Realist on October 22, 2017, 10:20:12 PM
Took exception to @KoemansNumberTens (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=3905) too. But thatís neither here nor there. Sometimes dopey pricks need to be told theyíre being a dopey prick.

Weird man
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 22, 2017, 10:22:45 PM
Took exception to @KoemansNumberTens (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=3905) too. But thatís neither here nor there. Sometimes dopey pricks need to be told theyíre being a dopey prick.

Yeah I'm deeply unpopular too. I think people like someone to pin their hopes to and I'm a miserable cunt.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Ridge on October 22, 2017, 10:24:02 PM
Depressing is the word
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: blueToffee on October 22, 2017, 10:25:23 PM
But who else from the current squad would you have in the side in front of him?

Niasse?

Amazingly, thatís about all we have. Plus as much as Iíve hated the idea in the past (for very good reason) a more senior player like Mirallas miiiigght give us something too. Again, I donít think DCL has been bad, itís just not particularly effective at this point.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: boothill on October 22, 2017, 10:46:17 PM
If youíre good enough youíre old enough, heís not premiership standard
Sorry if all the sensitive forumers donít like my views
no one is premiership standard if their getting no service, and he's getting zilch at the mo, he shouldnt be compared to lukaku either, he was an absolute freak of nature for his age and intimidated the defenders around him with pace and power, and could actually create chances for himself, put 2 or 3 stone on dcl and hope that he keep his pace with it, then we will have another beast
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Realist on October 22, 2017, 10:54:35 PM
no one is premiership standard if their getting no service, and he's getting zilch at the mo, he shouldnt be compared to lukaku either, he was an absolute freak of nature for his age and intimidated the defenders around him with pace and power, and could actually create chances for himself, put 2 or 3 stone on dcl and hope that he keep his pace with it, then we will have another beast

And learn him how to finish? And get assists? And hold play up?
Pointless saying well if he had this or that etc - he hasnít, heís poor
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Gash on October 22, 2017, 11:03:00 PM
Heís garbage - the new Cadamarteri minus the goals

I'm starting to get firmly onboard with the shouts that you're just a troll. Literally every post you make is to get a reaction out of people. Despite what you claim it isn't "just telling it how it is" it's just being a troll.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Realist on October 22, 2017, 11:09:39 PM
I'm starting to get firmly onboard with the shouts that you're just a troll. Literally every post you make is to get a reaction out of people. Despite what you claim it isn't "just telling it how it is" it's just being a troll.

Itís my opinion - arenít I entitled to one?
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Confucius on October 22, 2017, 11:10:56 PM
It's my opinion - aren't I entitled to one?

Please just keep it to one tho. This is the one.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: boothill on October 22, 2017, 11:47:07 PM
And learn him how to finish? And get assists? And hold play up?
Pointless saying well if he had this or that etc - he hasnít, heís poor
that all comes with confidence and experience, being verbally destroyed by people no were near his level wont help, probably wont arse him either like, remember hes been pushed up as the focal point in a very poor team at the moment, he will gain from this, the sharps,heaths,grays, johnstons and lukakus all had lean spells and came very good
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 22, 2017, 11:53:51 PM
that all comes with confidence and experience, being verbally destroyed by people no were near his level wont help, probably wont arse him either like, remember hes been pushed up as the focal point in a very poor team at the moment, he will gain from this, the sharps,heaths,grays, johnstons and lukakus all had lean spells and came very good

Being verbally destroyed by people nowhere near his level? Firstly verbally destroyed is a little ott and secondly these people nowhere near his level? Is that us the fans. Are you suggesting we should think every professional footballer is unbelievable because they are all infinitely better than us. Might as well shut the forum now non of us are entitled to an opinion on anything because the team the manager and the board are all better than us
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: boothill on October 23, 2017, 12:00:20 AM
Being verbally destroyed by people nowhere near his level? Firstly verbally destroyed is a little ott and secondly these people nowhere near his level? Is that us the fans. Are you suggesting we should think every professional footballer is unbelievable because they are all infinitely better than us. Might as well shut the forum now non of us are entitled to an opinion on anything because the team the manager and the board are all better than us
how can someone say a PROFESSIONAL premiership footballer is rubbish when they are not at that level or never have been at that level before, criticize and have an opinion by all means, but to call them crap is a bit daft
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Simon Paul on October 23, 2017, 12:01:42 AM
thought he did OK today despite being horribly isolated most of the game

showed some good hold-up play a few times but he needs some confidence
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Silas on October 23, 2017, 12:02:53 AM
thought he did OK today despite being horribly isolated most of the game

showed some good hold-up play a few times but he needs some confidence

This could apply to pretty much all of the team
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: everton1952 on October 23, 2017, 12:03:45 AM
DCL was not poor today. He did OK with nobody around him to assist. Not saying he will ever make a decent striker, but there are some good aspects to his play. Admittedly the chances of him actually scoring a goal are remote.   
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 23, 2017, 12:07:54 AM
how can someone say a PROFESSIONAL premiership footballer is rubbish when they are not at that level or never have been at that level before, criticize and have an opinion by all means, but to call them crap is a bit daft

I think it means crap compared to the average premiership footballer. Not crap compared to me. By your thinking they are all utterly brilliant. Which of course they are compared to the average man on the street who would die if he had to run about for 90 minutes
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: boothill on October 23, 2017, 12:13:49 AM
I think it means crap compared to the average premiership footballer. Not crap compared to me. By your thinking they are all utterly brilliant. Which of course they are compared to the average man on the street who would die if he had to run about for 90 minutes
possibly utterly brilliant at football yes, probably shite at nursing or joinery, and i'd die if i had to run around for 25 minutes now
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Silas on October 23, 2017, 12:23:55 AM
Bizarre the criticising of Calvert Lewin seemingly above all other young players. What's Davies doing? Where is his thread?

The young players have all shown decent periods of promise they aren't the weakness in this squad
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Terry from Town on October 23, 2017, 12:26:38 AM
Calvert Lewis is a really good young player, heís been unexpectedly thrust into the first team but he will be a great player in a few years
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 23, 2017, 12:29:29 AM
Bizarre the criticising of Calvert Lewin seemingly above all other young players. What's Davies doing? Where is his thread?

The young players have all shown decent periods of promise they aren't the weakness in this squad

I think Davies has shown an awful lot more to date. People are saying DCL had a good game when he battles to win a few throw ins. I know he's not helped by anyone else but he's not been good. Davies hasn't either but weve seen much better from him last season. I genuinely not convinced DCL will be a premier league football in the long term
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Silas on October 23, 2017, 12:31:58 AM
I think Davies has shown an awful lot more to date. People are saying DCL had a good game when he battles to win a few throw ins. I know he's not helped by anyone else but he's not been good. Davies hasn't either but weve seen much better from him last season. I genuinely not convinced DCL will be a premier league football in the long term

I think Davies performances last season were overrated almost as much as Calvert Lewins now. Every young player who has some sort of decent spell is hailed as superb. They are set up to fail
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 23, 2017, 12:49:02 AM
I think Davies performances last season were overrated almost as much as Calvert Lewins now. Every young player who has some sort of decent spell is hailed as superb. They are set up to fail

I don't think Davies was brilliant either but he looked a decent premier league player in longish spells and he's only young. That's reason for optimism. I'm not sure DCL has looked that. I think it's almost just accepted he is and what we see is down to everyone else
If I'd said this in the summer a lot would have agreed with me. His stock seems to have risen greatly on account of being a tryer and us being shit
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: UnsyisaRhino on October 23, 2017, 12:49:34 AM
He held the ball up well and worked hard today, i dont think there was much more he could have done and i think taking him off was a mistake.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Coyb12 on October 23, 2017, 12:53:25 AM
Calvert Lewis is a really good young player, heís been unexpectedly thrust into the first team but he will be a great player in a few years
No he won't be maybe ok but certainly will not be great.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Silas on October 23, 2017, 01:14:07 AM
None of us actually know there are plenty of examples of good strikers becoming goalscorers late and there are just as many who don't go on and progress. For every Drogba there's an Anichebe
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Lxxx on October 23, 2017, 01:31:05 AM
thought he did OK today despite being horribly isolated most of the game

showed some good hold-up play a few times but he needs some confidence

He needs some help, a few steak dinners and a rest every now and then. Been asked to do the job of two men the past week.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 23, 2017, 01:32:41 AM
None of us actually know there are plenty of examples of good strikers becoming goalscorers late and there are just as many who don't go on and progress. For every Drogba there's an Anichebe

Must be a 100 more anichebes than drogbas. So by the law of averages.... he's probably gonna be more anichebe
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: blue slug on October 23, 2017, 01:44:12 AM
Hard to judge anyone at the minute with koeman in charge
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: gizzblue on October 23, 2017, 01:50:13 AM
how can someone say a PROFESSIONAL premiership footballer is rubbish when they are not at that level or never have been at that level before, criticize and have an opinion by all means, but to call them crap is a bit daft
Probably could've been pele himself if it wasn't for a bum knee.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Lxxx on October 23, 2017, 01:59:06 AM
Must be a 100 more anichebes than drogbas. So by the law of averages.... he's probably gonna be more anichebe

With those kind of arguments it's a wonder anyone bothers being a professional footballer.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 23, 2017, 02:23:16 AM
With those kind of arguments it's a wonder anyone bothers being a professional footballer.

Well he's probably already a millionaire too as probably is anichebe
I'm not even talking about starting out. People point to drogba and Kane as late developers as if to make an argument for every young player who's not doing that well. The point is they are very unusual. Good players are normally good players at every level as they come up.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: BatteredCornerFlag on October 23, 2017, 02:35:00 AM
Thought DCL showed some good touches today. I'd like to see him play with Lookman more or as part of a front 2.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Major Clanger on October 23, 2017, 04:40:07 AM
Good players are normally good players at every level as they come up.

Yes, they score in the World Cup finals of their age group for example.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Coyb12 on October 23, 2017, 04:42:28 AM
Thought DCL showed some good touches today. I'd like to see him play with Lookman more or as part of a front 2.
The only time you will see them as a front 2 would be in the championship.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Trublue on October 23, 2017, 04:43:35 AM
If youíre good enough youíre old enough, heís not premiership standard
Sorry if all the sensitive forumers donít like my views

I agree we need someone better, but guess what, we haven't got anyone.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Bluedylan on October 23, 2017, 04:44:07 AM
Yes, they score in the World Cup finals of their age group for example.

Well said that man. Dealt with a cretinous argument in no uncertain terms.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Major Clanger on October 23, 2017, 04:46:27 AM
If youíre good enough youíre old enough, heís not premiership standard
Sorry if all the sensitive forumers donít like my views

Nah, we just think you're either a genuine idiot or a troll. Either way you're not NSNO standard. Sorry if that hurts your feelings.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 23, 2017, 04:49:06 AM
Yes, they score in the World Cup finals of their age group for example.

Isn't the reality that you only play for the under20s cos you're not good enough for the under 21s. Look we go round and round in circles with all this. I see a player who's future lies in the championship and most see someone who will score between 15-25 goals in the top flight and be a great player. I hope I'm wrong. Only time will tell
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Major Clanger on October 23, 2017, 04:51:04 AM
Isn't the reality that you only play for the under20s cos you're not good enough for the under 21s. Look we go round and round in circles with all this. I see a player who's future lies in the championship and most see someone who will score between 15-25 goals in the top flight and be a great player. I hope I'm wrong. Only time will tell

Literally nobody is saying that. You've just built yourself a straw man and you're busy bashing it.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: bluestevie on October 23, 2017, 04:51:35 AM
Nah, we just think you're either a genuine idiot or a troll. Either way you're not NSNO standard. Sorry if that hurts your feelings.

He's sitting on the £1300 he won betting big against the club he supposedly supports, doubt he cares much
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Bluedylan on October 23, 2017, 04:51:48 AM
Isn't the reality that you only play for the under20s cos you're not good enough for the under 21s. Look we go round and round in circles with all this. I see a player who's future lies in the championship and most see someone who will score between 15-25 goals in the top flight and be a great player. I hope I'm wrong. Only time will tell

No, YOU are going round in circles, talking utter drivel.

Everyone else is dealing with your moronic comments quite nicely as far as I can see.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Lxxx on October 23, 2017, 04:52:56 AM
Isn't the reality that you only play for the under20s cos you're not good enough for the under 21s. Look we go round and round in circles with all this. I see a player who's future lies in the championship and most see someone who will score between 15-25 goals in the top flight and be a great player. I hope I'm wrong. Only time will tell

I think youíre a little confused pal. Maybe youíve had a few I donít know but you seem to be creating and then arguing against yourself.

Letís just see how the lad gets on hey.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Major Clanger on October 23, 2017, 04:53:16 AM
He's sitting on the £1300 he won betting big against the club he supposedly supports, doubt he cares much

Oh, I'm sure he does. He wouldn't keep coming back and attempt some sock puppeting if he didn't.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 23, 2017, 04:53:45 AM
Literally nobody is saying that. You've just built yourself a straw man and you're busy bashing it.

Literally someone said that exact line. So literally it's been said I think today. Lots and lots of people say he's going to be a great player.

We could argue this for the next year. It's not going to conclude until we are remotely decent and then see if he's playing and contributing. I can't be arsed with it anymore
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Major Clanger on October 23, 2017, 04:55:01 AM
Literally someone said that exact line. So literally it's been said I think today. Lots and lots of people say he's going to be a great player.

Okay, I'm sure you can quote that post then. And of course all the others, since you're talking about lots and lots of people.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 23, 2017, 04:55:09 AM
No, YOU are going round in circles, talking utter drivel.

Everyone else is dealing with your moronic comments quite nicely as far as I can see.

People are allowed not to rate him. He's got 1 goal in something like 20 games and we aren't allowed to question if this is his level?
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 23, 2017, 04:57:09 AM
Okay, I'm sure you can quote that post then. And of course all the others, since you're talking about lots and lots of people.

I figured it was pretty widely held view on here that he was a top prospect. I thought that was what you were saying to be honest. Am I wrong
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Bluedylan on October 23, 2017, 04:58:32 AM
People are allowed not to rate him. He's got 1 goal in something like 20 games and we aren't allowed to question if this is his level?

It's just an incredibly weird, brainless thing to fixate on. He's doing a thankless task game after game, as a kid, in a shambolic team. He's clearly a good player with loads of potential.

Use your fucking brain.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 23, 2017, 05:01:49 AM
It's just an incredibly weird, brainless thing to fixate on. He's doing a thankless task game after game, as a kid, in a shambolic team. He's clearly a good player with loads of potential.

Use your fucking brain.

I'm not fixated on it. People keep pointing out I think most of them are shit. Pretending he played well cos he won a few throws just isn't for me. I really don't know what's people's issue is. I concede perhaps I'm wrong and people are calling me a moron cos I suggest a striker with 1 goal in 20 games might not turn out very good.
Whatever. Think I'm the only 1 not getting upset. Well me and DCL. I doubt he gives a shit what I think either
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Major Clanger on October 23, 2017, 05:07:02 AM
I concede perhaps I'm wrong and people are calling me a moron cos I suggest a striker with 1 goal in 20 games might not turn out very good.

No, people are calling you a moron because you stubbornly refuse to acknowledge anything apart from that one thing. Like the fact that for most of those games he was playing out wide. Or that for most games his job is basically chasing down lost causes and wild hoofs.

In other words, you're fixated on it.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: TheRam on October 23, 2017, 05:09:51 AM
Anyone else see his touch in the first half when he plucked pickfords kick from the sky?

The lads got it.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Bluedylan on October 23, 2017, 05:14:19 AM
Anyone else see his touch in the first half when he plucked pickfords kick from the sky?

The lads got it.

Or the little touch around Kolasinac, before he drilled a cross in low. Lovely stuff.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Major Clanger on October 23, 2017, 05:15:17 AM
Anyone else see his touch in the first half when he plucked pickfords kick from the sky?

The lads got it.

Exactly. He's got a good touch, good movement, good pace and is a decent finisher (though that last bit you rarely see, given that we hardly ever create any chances nowadays).

He's lacking in some areas and he clearly isn't good enough to single-handedly win games for us. But he's more than good enough to be in the squad and given playing time.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 23, 2017, 05:15:28 AM
No, people are calling you a moron because you stubbornly refuse to acknowledge anything apart from that one thing. Like the fact that for most of those games he was playing out wide. Or that for most games his job is basically chasing down lost causes and wild hoofs.

In other words, you're fixated on it.

I accept all of that. He's still done very little in almost every game. No one particularly rated him a year ago and now they do cos he's struggling in a struggling team. Whatever. It's really not worth getting upset about. I'm not overly impressed. Most are. Who cares. Really don't know what I've said that would upset people who've never met the lad so much.
Christ people werent any more upset by someone's suggestion that koeman should kill himself

Let's just leave it here. It's not worth the name calling and falling out. I'll even talk him up if it helps.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Ross on October 23, 2017, 05:15:47 AM
Just shown a graphic on MOTD with him surrounded by 4 defenders and the nearest Everton player was 45 yards further back.

The picture said a thousand words.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Major Clanger on October 23, 2017, 05:17:07 AM
Christ people werent any more upset by someone's suggestion that koeman should kill himself

(https://blacklabellogic.files.wordpress.com/2016/03/strawman.jpg)
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 23, 2017, 05:19:39 AM
(https://blacklabellogic.files.wordpress.com/2016/03/strawman.jpg)

Let it go it's over. Fuck me literally all I said was I didn't think he was very good. Baffled as to why you'd even care.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: pjk on October 23, 2017, 05:20:36 AM
(https://blacklabellogic.files.wordpress.com/2016/03/strawman.jpg)



 ;D
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Major Clanger on October 23, 2017, 05:21:42 AM
Let it go it's over. Fuck me literally all I said was I didn't think he was very good. Baffled as to why you'd even care.

Because you care enough to post it. Over and over again. So clearly this is something of utmost importance to you. And therefore I think it would be rude to just ignore something that you're clearly so passionate about.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 23, 2017, 05:26:57 AM
Because you care enough to post it. Over and over again. So clearly this is something of utmost importance to you. And therefore I think it would be rude to just ignore something that you're clearly so passionate about.

It's an Everton forum. On the DCL thread. I assumed that's what we were meant to do. As for over and over again. I repeatedly keep trying to get out of the conversation now. Strangely your just too offended to let it go. Do I need to apologise or something. Would that help? I really didn't want to fall out with you over something so minor.

Why don't you police the Williams thread with such vigor? Much worse is said in there.

Can we just agree to disagree. Who cares what I think. I thought Martinez was a great appointment. Of course you're probably right.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Brownie20 on October 23, 2017, 05:32:59 AM
Anyone else see his touch in the first half when he plucked pickfords kick from the sky?

The lads got it.

There was a similar one the other week - can't remember who against.

The lad has got skill and I'm sure we will see the best of him once he's been given the time to develop properly
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: pjk on October 23, 2017, 05:39:28 AM
There was a similar one the other week - can't remember who against.

The lad has got skill and I'm sure we will see the best of him once he's been given the time to develop properly



That's the issue. He needs time.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: blueToffee on October 23, 2017, 06:52:43 AM
Because you care enough to post it. Over and over again. So clearly this is something of utmost importance to you. And therefore I think it would be rude to just ignore something that you're clearly so passionate about.

Forgetting the above.

Ideally DCL would be getting sporadic game time as a sub during a decent amount of games this season. At least thatís where Iíd put his development and the amount of responsibility we should be giving him. Probably Sandro too for that matter.

Would you see his best use as anything other than that?

Now thatís not the luxury we have of course, but say we signed Giroud nobody would keep DCL as our starting CF would we? At least for most games.

There seems to be some weird arguments floating around. Heís got potential to be a good PL striker but there can be a distinction that he might not be what we need in this particular moment in a struggling side.

Surely most people would want us to bring in a striker day one of the January window opening?
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Lxxx on October 23, 2017, 04:01:52 PM
Just shown a graphic on MOTD with him surrounded by 4 defenders and the nearest Everton player was 45 yards further back.

The picture said a thousand words.

This is the issue I have with Sigurdsson. He was bought as our attacking No 10, the man who would be central to everything we did offensively. Sometimes I hardly notice he's playing. I don't care whether he's being asked to play slightly wider than normal he should still be putting in a shift to get close to the striker but he rarely breaks into a sweat.
I've given Koeman enough pelters about all number of things but the players shouldn't be getting away scot free in all of this. The performances they have put in have been shocking.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: SANA_DR0 on October 23, 2017, 06:27:20 PM
Just shown a graphic on MOTD with him surrounded by 4 defenders and the nearest Everton player was 45 yards further back.

The picture said a thousand words.

Been saying that a while. Lukaku last season was 40 yards away from the midfield.. but he's Lukaku..

Seriously how the fuck could the manager keep this system/play this way.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Lxxx on October 23, 2017, 06:42:44 PM
We signed about 4 No 10's to specifically make sure this type of thing never happened.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Ridge on October 25, 2017, 12:04:42 PM
One of the things people don't realise is DCL is Unsworth's player. Knew him from Sheff U, gave him first pro contract.

Convinced the club to buy him and him to join us, despite other interest.

DCL is going to play, get better service and has manager who knows how to get best out of him now.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: blueToffee on October 29, 2017, 11:58:42 PM
This continued reliance on DCL is just insanity at this point.

While there are certainly a whole heap of issues to deal with, the striking position is the biggest single issue in the whole squad right now. He doesn't score and doesn't help us build up any sort of an attack.

The biggest difference between this season and last season is replacing a capable striker with one that isn't ready for the PL. This doesn't mean it's his fault per se, but I'm staggered if people still think he belongs in a team that's either in a relegation fight or having far higher aspirations than that.

Shouldn't be anywhere near the starting XI.

Desperately need a new striker January 1st. Probably a couple for that matter.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 30, 2017, 12:01:39 AM
He doesnt do anything. Even when talking about his good moments its clever hold up play that wins us a throw. Im not blaming the lad but hes clearly not currently good enough. He simply wouldnt start for any other side in the league. Niasse whos clearly lacking in real quality is currently a much bigger threat. Id sooner play Rooney up top or even Mirallas.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Silas on October 30, 2017, 12:05:52 AM
No player with a fractured whatever he has right now at his stage in his career should be expected to play every game.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Martip on October 30, 2017, 12:07:01 AM
No player with a fractured whatever he has right now at his stage in his career should be expected to play every game.
He needs to come out of the team as we need to try something else against Watford.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: Silas on October 30, 2017, 12:07:49 AM
Might as well go Moyesesque and 4-6-0 it.
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: boothill on October 30, 2017, 12:10:52 AM
Might as well go Moyesesque and 4-6-0 it.
Certainly got enough No.10s to do it
Title: Re: DCL - kidding ourselves
Post by: gizzblue on October 30, 2017, 12:15:14 AM
Give Sandro a run, can't be worse at least he has shots ...no matter how wayward row z they might be .