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Title: [News]Koeman: If the board don't think I am the right man they will tell me
Post by: Everton News on October 20, 2017, 05:12:47 AM
Koeman: If the board don't think I am the right man they will tell me

Everton boss Ronald Koeman says that if the board don't feel he is the right man for the job, they will tell him.

Source: Koeman: If the board don't think I am the right man they will tell me (https://www.nsno.co.uk/everton-news/2017/10/koeman-board-dont-think-right-man-will-tell/)
Title: Re: [News]Koeman: If the board don't think I am the right man they will tell me
Post by: Major Clanger on October 20, 2017, 05:14:05 AM
Over to you, Farhad.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman: If the board don't think I am the right man they will tell me
Post by: Lxxx on October 20, 2017, 05:16:55 AM
The whole thing is a right mess. The summer window was shite, the way he has utilised the players he has at his disposal has been shite, the way the players have performed has been shite. How have we got to this after such a stabilising and quite promising first season.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman: If the board don't think I am the right man they will tell me
Post by: Jimmywhack on October 20, 2017, 05:24:10 AM
The whole thing is a right mess. The summer window was shite, the way he has utilised the players he has at his disposal has been shite, the way the players have performed has been shite. How have we got to this after such a stabilising and quite promising first season.
That's the problem tho isn't it

We all said we need a gk - got a great young talent
We needed a cb - got an England international who was highly rated

Then it gets a bit weird

Koeman says we need productivity from mf
We sign a lad who scored twenty goals from mf for ajax and the second highest assister in the pl
Throw in rooney who coming back

It was looking like a good window but we needed two more really. A cf and a winger

Koeman openly came out and said he needed a cf

Nothing happened
Title: Re: [News]Koeman: If the board don't think I am the right man they will tell me
Post by: Macca77 on October 20, 2017, 05:26:06 AM
Koeman: If the board don't think I am the right man they will tell me

Everton boss Ronald Koeman says that if the board don't feel he is the right man for the job, they will tell him.

Source: Koeman: If the board don't think I am the right man they will tell me (https://www.nsno.co.uk/everton-news/2017/10/koeman-board-dont-think-right-man-will-tell/)

That reads to me like hes had enough and wants out
Title: Re: [News]Koeman: If the board don't think I am the right man they will tell me
Post by: Lxxx on October 20, 2017, 05:30:28 AM
That's the problem tho isn't it

We all said we need a gk - got a great young talent
We needed a cb - got an England international who was highly rated

Then it gets a bit weird

Koeman says we need productivity from mf
We sign a lad who scored twenty goals from mf for ajax and the second highest assister in the pl
Throw in rooney who coming back

It was looking like a good window but we needed two more really. A cf and a winger

Koeman openly came out and said he needed a cf

Nothing happened

If any game highlighted our lack of a proper centre forward it was tonight. Felt for DCL, got bullied all game by two blokes who could have been his dad they were that imposing and superior physically, but still nearly sneaked a goal.

Then Giroud scores another worldie and you think what might have been.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman: If the board don't think I am the right man they will tell me
Post by: Tinga on October 20, 2017, 05:31:30 AM
Just leave, you've turned us into a joke.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman: If the board don't think I am the right man they will tell me
Post by: Jimmywhack on October 20, 2017, 05:32:57 AM
If any game highlighted our lack of a proper centre forward it was tonight. Felt for DCL, got bullied all game by two blokes who could have been his dad they were that imposing and superior physically, but still nearly sneaked a goal.

Then Giroud scores another worldie and you think what might have been.
Yeah that's the line in our window that we never got over

What's annoying is there appeared to be no plan B and that's criminal

Dcl should be coming on with twenty to go not being the main striker
Title: Re: [News]Koeman: If the board don't think I am the right man they will tell me
Post by: Redartin on October 20, 2017, 05:44:22 AM
That reads to me like hes had enough and wants out

Or "fuck you I'm not resigning, sack me", I want the compo.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman: If the board don't think I am the right man they will tell me
Post by: Jimmywhack on October 20, 2017, 05:45:01 AM
Or "fuck you I'm not resigning, sack me", I want the compo.
And why would anyone?
Title: Re: [News]Koeman: If the board don't think I am the right man they will tell me
Post by: Lxxx on October 20, 2017, 05:46:11 AM
Or "fuck you I'm not resigning, sack me", I want the compo.

Probably somewhere in the middle. 'Leaves my mutual consent' salvages his reputation and we save a few million.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman: If the board don't think I am the right man they will tell me
Post by: Ross on October 20, 2017, 05:58:30 AM
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Title: Re: [News]Koeman: If the board don't think I am the right man they will tell me
Post by: Ramjam on October 20, 2017, 07:07:39 AM
What he really means is that he’s ready to quit but would rather be sacked so that he can pick up his compo, useless cunt
Title: Re: [News]Koeman: If the board don't think I am the right man they will tell me
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 20, 2017, 07:27:57 AM
Both sides playing chicken over where "in the middle" to meet, I suspect.  Sort it the fuck out, please.  Things are toxic enough, and it will only get worse.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman: If the board don't think I am the right man they will tell me
Post by: D3blue on October 20, 2017, 08:14:22 AM
Having watched his post match i actually feel a bit for him...but a lot of his problems are of his own making. 
He can't be held responsible for players settling in difficulties but he is responsible for playing players out of position and poor selections and substitutions.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman: If the board don't think I am the right man they will tell me
Post by: Cuttyblue on October 20, 2017, 09:10:33 AM
That reads to me like hes had enough and wants out

I agree.  He's asking for mercy at this point.

*remember: Why would he ever resign?
Title: Re: [News]Koeman: If the board don't think I am the right man they will tell me
Post by: Ramjam on October 20, 2017, 10:49:25 AM
Could we suspend him on full pay for a couple of weeks and see if he gets the hint, bring in Unsey, he turns things around and balloon head resigns with his tail between his legs in shame
Title: Re: [News]Koeman: If the board don't think I am the right man they will tell me
Post by: Jamokachi on October 20, 2017, 11:19:06 AM
Why do people feel the need to hurl abusive comments around. The vitriol on display by some of you is embarrassing.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman: If the board don't think I am the right man they will tell me
Post by: Confucius on October 20, 2017, 11:32:47 AM
Why do people feel the need to hurl abusive comments around. The vitriol on display by some of you is embarrassing.

Stuff off Jamo.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman: If the board don't think I am the right man they will tell me
Post by: Hawkandro on October 20, 2017, 02:22:22 PM
Did anyone save the game before the transfer window opened? If so, can you re-start please?

Thanks.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman: If the board don't think I am the right man they will tell me
Post by: Lazarou on October 20, 2017, 02:29:25 PM
Appears the manager wants out, the players want the manager out, and the fans want the manager out. Is there anywhere else to go with this.


Title: Re: [News]Koeman: If the board don't think I am the right man they will tell me
Post by: Normm on October 20, 2017, 03:35:16 PM
RK and his brother need a holiday. Two one way tickets will do fine.
 

He needs time to rethink where it all went wrong, but not at Goodison. Knowledgeable fans on here have been trying to tell him for weeks!

It's time to have a change. Thanks for last season.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman: If the board don't think I am the right man they will tell me
Post by: Normm on October 20, 2017, 03:41:28 PM
RK and his brother need a holiday. Two one way tickets will do fine.
 

Does anyone fancy a whip-round?
Title: Re: [News]Koeman: If the board don't think I am the right man they will tell me
Post by: Waltzer on October 20, 2017, 03:46:10 PM
Appears the manager wants out, the players want the manager out, and the fans want the manager out. Is there anywhere else to go with this.


Absolutely no evidence to suggest the players want the manager out is there, unless you have inside information that I dont? I thought the commitment was there for all to see last night, quality was missing but it didn't look like the players had downed tools!
And Im a fan and I dont want the manager out (just yet)
Title: Re: [News]Koeman: If the board don't think I am the right man they will tell me
Post by: Lazarou on October 20, 2017, 03:55:45 PM
Absolutely no evidence to suggest the players want the manager out is there, unless you have inside information that I dont? I thought the commitment was there for all to see last night, quality was missing but it didn't look like the players had downed tools!
And Im a fan and I dont want the manager out (just yet)

Results would suggest otherwise, or that the players are not good enough (which I don't feel is the case). They gave it a go for about 20 minutes second half that's all I saw. We have been incapable of giving a 90 minute performance under Koeman but for the majority of this season they just have not shown up at any point, would that not suggest there is more to it as in the players have had enough?
Title: Re: [News]Koeman: If the board don't think I am the right man they will tell me
Post by: Waltzer on October 20, 2017, 03:59:50 PM
Results would suggest otherwise, or that the players are not good enough (which I don't feel is the case). They gave it a go for about 20 minutes second half that's all I saw. We have been incapable of giving a 90 minute performance under Koeman but for the majority of this season they just have not shown up at any point, would that not suggest there is more to it as in the players have had enough?

Results would suggest otherwise? Are you inferring the players are losing games because they want Koeman out, if so then id sack the lot of them. My take is were losing games cause we've got strikers that couldnt score in a brothel (minus Rooney for obvious reasons!!)
Performances have been bad cause weve got no end product. Add a target man like Giroud/Pelle and the whole world changes, Sigurdsson has someone to aim to, the midfielders have someone to run off of, it isnt rocket science that out whole recruitment campaign was focused around delivering to a big lump, and we didnt get it.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman: If the board don't think I am the right man they will tell me
Post by: sirblue57 on October 20, 2017, 04:07:41 PM
Results would suggest otherwise? Are you inferring the players are losing games because they want Koeman out, if so then id sack the lot of them. My take is were losing games cause we've got strikers that couldnt score in a brothel (minus Rooney for obvious reasons!!)
Performances have been bad cause weve got no end product. Add a target man like Giroud/Pelle and the whole world changes, Sigurdsson has someone to aim to, the midfielders have someone to run off of, it isnt rocket science that out whole recruitment campaign was focused around delivering to a big lump, and we didnt get it.

Then that makes the long drawn out saga of the sig even more damning. And who wanted him THAT bad?...steo forward big Ron.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman: If the board don't think I am the right man they will tell me
Post by: Lxxx on October 20, 2017, 04:11:43 PM
Thought last night exposed us for what we are, which is a squad not good enough at the minute. Lots of young promising kids and no real quality throughout the side. I feel for Koeman in the fact he was very vocal about two positions, a left footed defender who could play centre half and left back and striker. Both areas badly exposed last night.
Granted he should have done better with what he has at his disposal but he's also been let down too.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman: If the board don't think I am the right man they will tell me
Post by: Lazarou on October 20, 2017, 04:12:37 PM
Results would suggest otherwise? Are you inferring the players are losing games because they want Koeman out, if so then id sack the lot of them. My take is were losing games cause we've got strikers that couldnt score in a brothel (minus Rooney for obvious reasons!!)
Performances have been bad cause weve got no end product. Add a target man like Giroud/Pelle and the whole world changes, Sigurdsson has someone to aim to, the midfielders have someone to run off of, it isnt rocket science that out whole recruitment campaign was focused around delivering to a big lump, and we didnt get it.

No I was not inferring that they are losing games deliberately perhaps I should have clarified that. The point I am trying to make is that to me (just me and my old man I am not suggesting anyone else thinks this is the case) is that any philosophy that Koeman brought to Everton is gone, the players, the staff and the manager appear to have no clue how best to go about winning a football match. Unfortunately it is the managers job to instil this, just like it is at work etc. If you don't believe or buy into what a superior is telling you do you give 100% all the time?

Most jobs you can get away with it but the margins at this level of football are so fine that if you aint getting 100% then you will invariably fail. That is why I think we see sporadic football from Koeman's team, the problem is the bad parts are outweighing the good and that is why we are losing more than we are winning.

Yes there are other factors like the striker situation etc, but you can mitigate these somewhat by finding a system and getting 100% from each and every player.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman: If the board don't think I am the right man they will tell me
Post by: Waltzer on October 20, 2017, 04:13:04 PM
Then that makes the long drawn out saga of the sig even more damning. And who wanted him THAT bad?...steo forward big Ron.

Yes Koeman did want him, and why not? Hes proven to be the best around at doing what Koeman wants from his team, delivering quality balls into the box. Did Koeman expect the board to fail so bad by not getting a striker in to utilise Sigurdssons main attribute, I doubt it!
And are you really blaming Koeman for the transfer of Sigurdsson taking that long, no wonder he needs a holiday so much if he does all the transfer negotiations too!!
Title: Re: [News]Koeman: If the board don't think I am the right man they will tell me
Post by: sirblue57 on October 20, 2017, 04:16:44 PM
Yes Koeman did want him, and why not? Hes proven to be the best around at doing what Koeman wants from his team, delivering quality balls into the box. Did Koeman expect the board to fail so bad by not getting a striker in to utilise Sigurdssons main attribute, I doubt it!
And are you really blaming Koeman for the transfer of Sigurdsson taking that long, no wonder he needs a holiday so much if he does all the transfer negotiations too!!

We had Klassen,Rooney we did not NEED to focus that much on sig. We should have had another option to Giroud and followed that. Even if we got Giroux another striker would have been preferable to another #fucking 10
Title: Re: [News]Koeman: If the board don't think I am the right man they will tell me
Post by: Waltzer on October 20, 2017, 04:21:10 PM
We had Klassen,Rooney we did not NEED to focus that much on sig. We should have had another option to Giroud and followed that. Even if we got Giroux another striker would have been preferable to another #fucking 10

Not getting a striker or the time it took to get Sig are not under Koemans control, or am i missing something? Yes he did say he wanted him but the club could have easily said no, were covered in that area, the club decided to drag out negotiations for months only to then basically pay what Swansea wanted in the first place, not Koeman. My view is that Sigurdsson is still better than Rooney and Klasseen so im happy, but I fail to see what this has to do with Koeman.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman: If the board don't think I am the right man they will tell me
Post by: Lxxx on October 20, 2017, 04:25:23 PM
Not getting a striker or the time it took to get Sig are not under Koemans control, or am i missing something? Yes he did say he wanted him but the club could have easily said no, were covered in that area, the club decided to drag out negotiations for months only to then basically pay what Swansea wanted in the first place, not Koeman. My view is that Sigurdsson is still better than Rooney and Klasseen so im happy, but I fail to see what this has to do with Koeman.


They all need to take responsibility. If I were to guess I would say that Rooney and Klaassan were wanted by Koeman, Sig by both Koeman and Walsh and Vlasic probably Walsh. However you want to cut and dice it, they are all culpable for the unbalanced mess that we are left with.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman: If the board don't think I am the right man they will tell me
Post by: sirblue57 on October 20, 2017, 04:28:23 PM
Not getting a striker or the time it took to get Sig are not under Koemans control, or am i missing something? Yes he did say he wanted him but the club could have easily said no, were covered in that area, the club decided to drag out negotiations for months only to then basically pay what Swansea wanted in the first place, not Koeman. My view is that Sigurdsson is still better than Rooney and Klasseen so im happy, but I fail to see what this has to do with Koeman.


Ok. Sigurdson. Martina.were imo Koeman led signings. We needed other options and did not get them.
Now you can say it's not down to him. But I doubt the club would have gone as far and paid as much if Koeman had said NOT had input.
He is the.man who picks the team. It's his head on the block. So if the club did put the focus on sig while not getting the striker. Do you think he would just accept it? Or would he be more aggressive and state that the club didn't do as he asked?
Title: Re: [News]Koeman: If the board don't think I am the right man they will tell me
Post by: Waltzer on October 20, 2017, 04:39:11 PM
Ok. Sigurdson. Martina.were imo Koeman led signings. We needed other options and did not get them.
Now you can say it's not down to him. But I doubt the club would have gone as far and paid as much if Koeman had said NOT had input.
He is the.man who picks the team. It's his head on the block. So if the club did put the focus on sig while not getting the striker. Do you think he would just accept it? Or would he be more aggressive and state that the club didn't do as he asked?

I think thats a given that the board didnt do as he asked, he stated the importance of a left back and centre forward on numerous occasions. He is still an employee of the club and venting about the boards lack of vision or ambition in the press is hardly going to help, although I expect this has been expressed behind the scenes.
And of course he has an input into signing players but its not his job to deliver them.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman: If the board don't think I am the right man they will tell me
Post by: Lazarou on October 20, 2017, 04:41:03 PM
@Waltzer (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=1907) your in a combative mood today with some well thought out counter arguments, you didn't happen to snot a Lyon player last night did you?  ;)
Title: Re: [News]Koeman: If the board don't think I am the right man they will tell me
Post by: starblood on October 20, 2017, 04:42:38 PM
Thought last night exposed us for what we are, which is a squad not good enough at the minute. Lots of young promising kids and no real quality throughout the side. I feel for Koeman in the fact he was very vocal about two positions, a left footed defender who could play centre half and left back and striker. Both areas badly exposed last night.
Granted he should have done better with what he has at his disposal but he's also been let down too.

I don't think you can say he's been let down, we really don't know the ins and outs. For all we know he might have been presented with options in those positions you mention but didn't fancy the players in question - and the ones he did were possibly too ambitious to bring to the club.

Anyway, for all the signings we made in the summer, the one we can without doubt ascribe to him, and him alone, is Martina - and he's........well you know!

For me the squad is fine (barring the need for a couple of decent strikers) it's how it is utilised that has us punching below our weight. The ponderous build up play and lack of width and pace is shockingly apparent (and makes us a terrible watch). Yet the players that could in a small way address that (Lennon/Mirallas/Lookman) are getting short shrift when it comes to first team opportunities.

And finally no-one's mentioning the passing. What's happened to that - is the accuracy of that down to confidence? Quite possibly - but it's awful nevertheless.

Title: Re: [News]Koeman: If the board don't think I am the right man they will tell me
Post by: BlueForYou on October 20, 2017, 04:47:38 PM
The board would not have been negotiating with Swansea 24/7, it's not one player at a time, they could still have been discussing transfers about other players with other clubs and for all we know, they did - but were unsuccessful (Giroud?)

Take January, surely Everton are preparing now and not waiting for New Year's Eve?

And what's to say it won't take another whole month to sign one player?
Title: Re: [News]Koeman: If the board don't think I am the right man they will tell me
Post by: Waltzer on October 20, 2017, 04:48:35 PM
@Waltzer (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=1907) your in a combative mood today with some well thought out counter arguments, you didn't happen to snot a Lyon player last night did you?  ;)
:) I was in the comforts of my own home im happy to say.
And I just think where we are at the moment is highlighting a much bigger problem than Koeman, he might be seen as one of the problems but I genuinely dont see how another manager could get significantly better results with our strike force. I may well be wrong as I have been on numerous occasions, we'll see, but I think placing all blame on Koeman is bit OTT!! :)
Title: Re: [News]Koeman: If the board don't think I am the right man they will tell me
Post by: BlueForYou on October 20, 2017, 04:56:22 PM
Alan Stubbs has said that Koeman doesn't warm himself to the fans

Roberto tried

How's Rotherham?
Title: Re: [News]Koeman: If the board don't think I am the right man they will tell me
Post by: Macca77 on October 20, 2017, 05:02:07 PM
Alan Stubbs has said that Koeman doesn't warm himself to the fans

Roberto tried

How's Rotherham?

Roberto said all the right things so us fans fell for him straight away, we were great in his first season so the bond between him and us grew stronger, again he kept saying all the right things, it was only when things started going shite that some fans started to turn on him then his constant bizarre press conference speeches turned us all against him

Koeman has never had the same respect and love from the Everton fans, he never refers to us as "us" its always Everton, the hatred for him now from many fans is a lot worse than it was under Martinez
Title: Re: [News]Koeman: If the board don't think I am the right man they will tell me
Post by: Simon Paul on October 20, 2017, 05:12:45 PM
Roberto said all the right things so us fans fell for him straight away, we were great in his first season so the bond between him and us grew stronger, again he kept saying all the right things, it was only when things started going shite that some fans started to turn on him then his constant bizarre press conference speeches turned us all against him

Koeman has never had the same respect and love from the Everton fans, he never refers to us as "us" its always Everton, the hatred for him now from many fans is a lot worse than it was under Martinez

to be fair it wasn't just words, he meant them - he genuinely bought into Everton

inviting Howard Kendall to Finch Farm for the first time (it was opened in 2007) was a big thing towards showing that.

he's spoken recently about his time with Everton and even though you'd expect some vitriol or some regrets, he just wishes it had been better. 

buying into the history and ethos of any employer in any line of management is important, not just football
Title: Re: [News]Koeman: If the board don't think I am the right man they will tell me
Post by: BlueForYou on October 20, 2017, 05:28:33 PM
Koeman is genuine - I warm to that
Title: Re: [News]Koeman: If the board don't think I am the right man they will tell me
Post by: Bluedylan on October 20, 2017, 05:32:20 PM
Koeman is genuine - I warm to that

What is your logic for supporting and defending Koeman? Take sentiment out of it. What's the logic?
Title: Re: [News]Koeman: If the board don't think I am the right man they will tell me
Post by: Simon Paul on October 20, 2017, 05:32:43 PM
Koeman is genuine - I warm to that

genuinely disinterested

genuinely focused on his future not his present

genuinely not arsed what Everton fans think
Title: Re: [News]Koeman: If the board don't think I am the right man they will tell me
Post by: Macca77 on October 20, 2017, 05:39:29 PM
genuinely disinterested

genuinely focused on his future not his present

genuinely not arsed what Everton fans think

Exactly
Title: Re: [News]Koeman: If the board don't think I am the right man they will tell me
Post by: van der Meyde on October 20, 2017, 06:09:25 PM
What is your logic for supporting and defending Koeman? Take sentiment out of it. What's the logic?
Haven't you read his posts?

It's someone else's fault because Koeman doesn't have the players he wants.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman: If the board don't think I am the right man they will tell me
Post by: BlueForYou on October 20, 2017, 06:10:46 PM
No sentiment - I don't need someone saying how much they love Everton

A manager needs to speak from the head, not from the heart

I wonder if certain people at the club have been genuine to Koeman
Title: Re: [News]Koeman: If the board don't think I am the right man they will tell me
Post by: Ross on October 20, 2017, 06:15:08 PM
Didn’t Koeman “genuinely” think we played well at Brighton?

Title: Re: [News]Koeman: If the board don't think I am the right man they will tell me
Post by: Simon Paul on October 20, 2017, 06:18:46 PM
A manager needs to speak from the head, not from the heart


yeah but his head's full of cotton wool
Title: Re: [News]Koeman: If the board don't think I am the right man they will tell me
Post by: sirblue57 on October 20, 2017, 06:21:13 PM
The manager picks the team. He has input to who he wants. After that he then has to get the team right tactically and put a team out that knows what it has to do. What formation,style of play etc.
If the board did not get the players he wanted, or the player didn't want to come, that's one issue.

But the fact we have no definable shape or style.of play. That our passing and defending is symbolic . And confidence is plummeting,  THESE are issues the manager can address and change. And not by playing players out of position or who are struggling for form.

The buck for that stops with him.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman: If the board don't think I am the right man they will tell me
Post by: Macca77 on October 20, 2017, 06:27:43 PM
Didn’t Koeman “genuinely” think we played well at Brighton?



He did, he "genuinely" said we were the better team and should have won
Title: Re: [News]Koeman: If the board don't think I am the right man they will tell me
Post by: Tinga on October 20, 2017, 06:31:16 PM
I'm honestly not sure how Koeman has anybody in favour of him at this point, how can the people defending the man not see he's doing an absolute awful job?
Title: Re: [News]Koeman: If the board don't think I am the right man they will tell me
Post by: Macca77 on October 20, 2017, 06:46:31 PM
Koemans presser at 1, should be some very awkward questions to answer
Title: Re: [News]Koeman: If the board don't think I am the right man they will tell me
Post by: Jimmywhack on October 20, 2017, 06:52:42 PM
Koemans presser at 1, should be some very awkward questions to answer
Be like car crash tv that
Title: Re: [News]Koeman: If the board don't think I am the right man they will tell me
Post by: BlueForYou on October 20, 2017, 06:53:54 PM
Looking forward to it - show some heart, Ron, and genuinely mean it