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Title: Who should we go for?
Post by: Topper on October 23, 2017, 03:28:45 AM
People mightn't agree with the poll seeing we still have Koeman in charge but in my opinion either now or further on this season it is inevitable we will have a new man in charge and Im interested who people would like as a new manager.  Ill throw a few names that have been linked but if you have any others Ill certainly add them.

I have put the likes of Ancelotti and Tuchel on as even though many think they are not going to come here, they are out of work at present and we might as well put them down as possibilities.  At the end of the day, everyone has their own ideas and might prefer a Tony Pulis in charge instead of a multiple Champions League winner  :P
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Audrey Horne on October 23, 2017, 03:33:18 AM
Go for Silva.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Topper on October 23, 2017, 03:37:07 AM
I think it would be great to get Silva the only problem I would have is that if we got him we would be his 4th club in about a year so if someone 'bigger' came calling he would be away in a shot.

It's funny that at the end of last season it was the same with Koeman, we were pissing ourselves with worry he might be temped home to his beloved Barca after 1 season in charge and leave us in the lurch.  Oh how times have changed  :-X
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: SANA_DR0 on October 23, 2017, 03:56:26 AM
Go for Silva.

I'm pretty sure Silva wont be going anywhere, He's built a squad in 1 transfer window, i can't see him being at his third club in less than a year.. I'd love him to come tho..

Ancelotti is another a big no, he hates playing youngsters ;/


i'd go for Unsworth with Moyes with sprinkling of Ferguson in temp charge, maybe until January then see who we can attract, if we do well, then maybe keep them lol or stream line the trio..

then in summer or jan.. go for Silva! lol
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Silas on October 23, 2017, 04:00:49 AM
Ancelotti would be a safe pair of hands right now and we need that. He wouldn't be a long term appointment
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Audrey Horne on October 23, 2017, 04:12:41 AM
I'm pretty sure Silva wont be going anywhere, He's built a squad in 1 transfer window, i can't see him being at his third club in less than a year.. I'd love him to come tho..

Ancelotti is another a big no, he hates playing youngsters ;/


i'd go for Unsworth with Moyes with sprinkling of Ferguson in temp charge, maybe until January then see who we can attract, if we do well, then maybe keep them lol or stream line the trio..

then in summer or jan.. go for Silva! lol


if we got Moyes id kill myself
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Simon Paul on October 23, 2017, 04:13:51 AM
Follow....follow....follow....
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: boothill on October 23, 2017, 04:22:03 AM
get ferguson out of retirement
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: blue slug on October 23, 2017, 04:23:17 AM
Definitely not Mancini or mazzarri that's for sure
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: blue slug on October 23, 2017, 04:24:46 AM
if we got Moyes id kill myself

Totally agree Audrey I wouldn't be able to watch us, it would be small time thinking and a massive backward step
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: SANA_DR0 on October 23, 2017, 04:32:22 AM
if we got Moyes id kill myself
agielk

I feel too many of our players dont know what its like to be an Evertonian/Everton player, that pride needs to be instilled into many of the Koeman signings.. Baines/Rooney and Jagielka are the only ones who knew/know it, but 2 of them aren't vocal at all (Rooney is)

the youngsters are fine, as Unsworth has instilled what it means to be a blue.. this is probably the most un Everton team i've ever seen, sucks with the quality we have.. they need to be proud of playing,, Moyes I believe is one of the 3 i mentioned that could do that, having all 3 lololol  would i think help all aspects of the playing staff.

Get them instilled in the Everton way, hand it over to Silva in the summer :D
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Bluedylan on October 23, 2017, 04:35:42 AM
Moyes wouldn't be a Moshiri choice. He'll want a big name.

We need to find the next Poch/Silva. A European manager with a clearly defined vision who is significantly overachieving, but under the radar.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Audrey Horne on October 23, 2017, 04:38:13 AM
agielk

I feel too many of our players dont know what its like to be an Evertonian/Everton player, that pride needs to be instilled into many of the Koeman signings.. Baines/Rooney and Jagielka are the only ones who knew/know it, but 2 of them aren't vocal at all (Rooney is)

the youngsters are fine, as Unsworth has instilled what it means to be a blue.. this is probably the most un Everton team i've ever seen, sucks with the quality we have.. they need to be proud of playing,, Moyes I believe is one of the 3 i mentioned that could do that, having all 3 lololol  would i think help all aspects of the playing staff.

Get them instilled in the Everton way, hand it over to Silva in the summer :D

And you think Moyes DOES know the 'Everton way' ? we need to bin off the old Moyes players. Cowards.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Shogun on October 23, 2017, 04:41:23 AM
David Unsworth

He's done an excellent job with the U23s and appears to have the right attitude but the lack of experience is definitely a factor that needs to be taken into consideration. If Koeman can't get these players to gel together then what is there to suggest that David Unsworth can?

Rafa Benitez

Made my feelings on this man clear on many occasions. He hasn't taken over a club and finished higher with them since his Liverpool days. That'll probably change this season but then there's a reason his stock had fallen to such an extent that he ended up at Newcastle in the championship after he relegated them. Negative football and kopite connections. NO

Thomas Tuchel

Seemed to have a few falling outs at Dortmund but seems to be the ideal option on the list. He's young, got a strong record but still plenty to prove. I don't think he's out of our reach but at the same time, it might take a lot of persuading to get him here.

Carlo Ancellotti

Biggest name on the list. It's been a long time since he managed a club in Everton's position and I wonder how well he'd do, really. I think it's a non-starter as Chelsea-Real Madrid-Bayern Munich... Everton is a bit of a change of scene.

David Moyes

Lets bring Phil Neville in as assistant whilst we're at it. Fuck no.

Eddie Howe

There's a bit of the Roberto Martinez's about his style but you can't say he hasn't done an excellent job at Bournemouth and he does have clear identity about the way his team's play. Everton supporter as a kid so you'd imagine he gets what the club is about.

Sam Allardyce

We're Everton. Not Bolton, not Crystal Palace, not Blackburn, not Sunderland. EVERTON.

Marco Silva

Love Silva but I think he does concede a lot of goals and that worries me. Would also doubt his commitment long term if he was in his third job in English football in 12 months.

Roberto Mancini

Not sure how he's doing in Russia but wasn't particularly impressed with him at Inter. Think he's a solid manager but maybe not adventurous enough and seems to get into arguments wherever he goes.

Mikel Arteta

Sorry but no.

Walter Mazzarri

Surprised he did okay with Watford because he was awful at Inter. Not to our standard, I don't think.

Mark Hughes

Stokealona fraud. Cunt.

Chris Coleman

Obviously not.

Duncan Ferguson

Only if he headbutts Klopp on the touchline.



So yeah, I think weighing up what's realistic that Eddie Howe might be the best bet.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Ravardo on October 23, 2017, 05:07:04 AM
Did anyone see the documentry on eddie howe it was on a week or so ago?,, i only caught bits of it so cant comment
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: blue slug on October 23, 2017, 05:09:34 AM
Did anyone see the documentry on eddie howe it was on a week or so ago?,, i only caught bits of it so cant comment

Yes and he's definitely a progressive thinker I'd take him
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: gizzblue on October 23, 2017, 05:29:41 AM
Manuel Pellagrini ...anybody .
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: blue slug on October 23, 2017, 05:31:04 AM
Good shout
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: kramer0 on October 23, 2017, 08:03:06 AM
1. Does this guy really sound like someone you want managing Everton out of a rough patch?

https://www.si.com/soccer/2017/10/02/bayern-munich-players-organised-secret-training-sessions-without-knowledge-carlo-ancelotti (https://www.si.com/soccer/2017/10/02/bayern-munich-players-organised-secret-training-sessions-without-knowledge-carlo-ancelotti)

2. I don't think appointing some boss manager is going to be the solution to all of our issues. The last two summer transfer window shit shows couldn't have happened if there weren't deeper structural issues at the club. Ultimately, it's more important to our long-term success that we sort those problems out, i.e. this is probably a bad time to be looking for a manager who we want to be here for multiple years.

If we sack Koeman, I think the best course of action is to hire Unsworth to see out the season while we seriously re-think the director of football position. Moshiri/Kenwright need to figure out what their vision is for the club - how they want us to play, the importance of promoting from the academy, etc. - and make a serious investment in whoever is most qualified to make it happen. Walsh could be suitable for the job, and it would be easy for us if he is, but if you believe any of the recent grumblings ("has baggage", "like an old woman") it really doesn't seem that way.

I don't think many posters on here have a bigger hard-on for talented managers from abroad than I do, but it's a bit pointless hiring someone like that unless we have a solid foundation in place. Nobody who's genuinely good at the job will want to stay for more than a year or two if we're a complete mess behind the scenes, which means we'd regularly be in the position of hoping that Moshiri/Kenwright pick a new good manager to replace a departing good manager. I don't know how others feel about that but it makes me deeply uneasy. Build a sustainable backroom structure first, worry about managerial talent second.

And to get out in front of the "Unsworth is too inexperienced and will get us relegated" shouts - despite the imbalanced squad, we have better players than most PL sides. If someone like Tim Sherwood, who is a clueless buffoon, can guide a team with a better squad than most of the league to a comfortable finish, so can Unsworth. He has a lot more experience managing - not just coaching but actually managing - at the U23 level, not to mention that he isn't a self-aggrandizing twat. I don't think Unsworth has anywhere near the disaster potential that some make out, especially given his obvious man-management skills.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: pjk on October 23, 2017, 09:25:55 AM
It's got to the stage where it's become precarious enough to consider that Koeman has every chance of being relieved of his duties. At the beginning of the season, the prospects for the club and the team looked promising. 9 games in, and we're in the bottom 3 with a goal difference of minus 11. 1 point from 3 in the Uefa Cup group stage and bottom of the league there too. The way we capitulated against Arsenal in the second half on Sunday was mind-boggling. We were dreadful.

Any of the same types of performance against Chelsea on Wednesday will see us out of the Carabao Cup. We will be running out of competitions to bed in the squad and it will leave us in a situation where trying to put together a run of games will only offer the players the promise of a season based on survival. We need a big name to attract the quality of players (strikers especially) to the club. This is the reason someone like Ancelloti would seem to be a rational choice.

Perhaps Unsworth would be able to step in, but would the board trust him with the funds that appear to be necessary to sort out the balance of the squad? He has been given funds for the under 23's, but making signings for the first team is a far more expensive undertaking. I'm not sure they would give Unsworth the backing that would appear necessary to address the serious issues we appear to be facing. This is a critical time in the clubs history. With the quality of the performances we've been showing, relegation is a real possibility.

Which of those big names on the list would countenance taking over a club like ours, which is in turmoil and chaos on the pitch? It's going to cost a lot of money to sack Koeman and a lot of money to organise a new backroom team. Don't be surprised that there's still a possibility, Koeman will still be here for the January window. It's a huge decision the board is faced with.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Paddockoldie on October 23, 2017, 02:11:18 PM
Another dumb poll, because it somehow suggests we've got a choice. Make it who'd  come and it would be more realistic. Our biggest issue has always been out expectation and it's our biggest downfall. We're suggesting some of the best managers out there would think "Mmm, I fancy a shot at that Everton side. Bags of potential and got money now. I'll give up my good job I reckon". Yet we have a thread asking if we're gonna get relegated!!!! Only Evertonians...
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Redartin on October 23, 2017, 02:44:27 PM
Fuck the Eddie Howe shouts, if you look at the league table his Bournmouth are right beside us in the bottom three. I think he has lost what he had.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: TheTone on October 23, 2017, 06:12:57 PM
Whoever it is will be sacked within another 2 years anyways, it's a joke these manager turnovers all across the leagues, players get away with absolute murder
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Topper on October 23, 2017, 07:37:54 PM
Another dumb poll, because it somehow suggests we've got a choice. Make it who'd  come and it would be more realistic. Our biggest issue has always been out expectation and it's our biggest downfall. We're suggesting some of the best managers out there would think "Mmm, I fancy a shot at that Everton side. Bags of potential and got money now. I'll give up my good job I reckon". Yet we have a thread asking if we're gonna get relegated!!!! Only Evertonians...

The poll is just out of interest. Obviously we don't have a choice of who we get as we aren't board members.  Its a poll to see what peoples thoughts on who would be their personal choice.

Out of the names on there the majority are either at clubs that would see Everton as a step up or are currently unemployed like Ancelotti or Tuchel.  I don't see any unrealistic shouts like Guardiola, Mourinho or Conte on the list.

As I stated earlier the poll is a bit of fun just to see supporters thoughts and if people don't agree with free choice of the poll you are more than welcome not to cast a vote and chat on another thread.

After his sacking it now seems a little more relevant.
Title: Unsworth
Post by: Ridge on October 23, 2017, 07:44:52 PM
We might yet appoint someone else, but Unsworth will surely take charge for cup tie and possibly future games while we consider options. Would love to see him given the chance to get us playing and can't wait to see how he does.

He only had the Norwich game before, but that was a team that was blown apart and we actually looked really decent, albeit in a end of season knock about against Norwich.

But it was a sea change in terms of players wanting to play for the club and putting in effort.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Redartin on October 23, 2017, 07:47:20 PM
Were we not linked with Favre the last time as well as Emery and Pelligrini.
What ever happened him?
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: TheTone on October 23, 2017, 08:00:16 PM
fuck me, Van Gaal into 4/1 with Paddy Power
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: gizzblue on October 23, 2017, 08:00:33 PM
Were we not linked with Favre the last time as well as Emery and Pelligrini.
What ever happened him?
Pelligrini is in China .
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: BlueForYou on October 23, 2017, 08:02:08 PM
First things first - a shortlist of who wants it, then go from there
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Shropshire Blue on October 23, 2017, 08:05:01 PM
Relegation spot. Crisis. Need to be saved.
Hello Sam.😉
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: BlueNoseMike on October 23, 2017, 08:05:56 PM
Were we not linked with Favre the last time as well as Emery and Pelligrini.
What ever happened him?

At Nice and helped them finish 3rd last year. don't know about this year.

I was under the impression he was a young manager but he's close to 60. I'd consider him but I'd love go down the Poch/Silva route. Get some innovative young coach coming in


Probably get shot down for this but is AVB a mad shout? Still ridiculously young for a manager, had spurs playing lovely stuff and was unlucky with recruitment and getting sacked a bit too soon for me

Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: TheTone on October 23, 2017, 08:07:31 PM
At Nice and helped them finish 3rd last year. don't know about this year.

I was under the impression he was a young manager but he's close to 60. I'd consider him but I'd love go down the Poch/Silva route. Get some innovative young coach coming in


Probably get shot down for this but is AVB a mad shout? Still ridiculously young for a manager, had spurs playing lovely stuff and was unlucky with recruitment and getting sacked a bit too soon for me



I would seriously lose my shit if we hired AVB
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Lxxx on October 23, 2017, 08:08:29 PM
First things first - a shortlist of who wants it, then go from there

But won't you need to draw up a shortlist of people to approach first though.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: BlueNoseMike on October 23, 2017, 08:08:43 PM
I would seriously lose my shit if we hired AVB

Maybe it was a bad shout then haha. I suppose it highlights the fact that there aren't many options around though
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: BlueForYou on October 23, 2017, 08:11:16 PM
Big Sam would bring Little Sammy in - and possibly Nolan

Not my choice but could be Farhad's


(You could approach them all but none of them may want it)
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: hill135 on October 23, 2017, 08:14:06 PM
I really don't know.

Silva would be exciting but then even RM and Ron have looked good in this league for a bit so he could go the way of them. Not sure he'd leave Watford a few months in to his contract.

Ancelotti I don't think is realistic and he's not really suited to a situation like the one we're currently in.

Tuchel I'm not convinced by as I thought his Dortmund team wasn't all that and they leaked goals with much better defenders than ours. Can't see his style working with our squad.

Howe, Dyche and any other English manager can eff off.

I'd say Unsworth until we can steal Silva from Watford. But then I wanted FDB last time and he turned out be absolute jam tarts so what do I know?
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: BlueForYou on October 23, 2017, 08:16:47 PM
Advertise it and see who comes forward
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: blargins on October 23, 2017, 08:20:32 PM
I think Unsworth deserves a shot. Big gamble though. He can take charge in the interim at least and see how he gets on.

Wonder if Barkley will now sign a contract. There'll be a few relieved and happy players I reckon.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on October 23, 2017, 08:27:26 PM
The leading candidates

Sean Dyche is 9/4

David Unsworth 3/1

Carlo Ancelotti  8/1

Chris Coleman 12/1

David Moyes 16/1
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: BlueForYou on October 23, 2017, 08:28:10 PM
What's to say that they will take to the new manager?

On their bike, for some of them!
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: TheTone on October 23, 2017, 08:39:29 PM
I didn't have a problem with us getting Koeman after the shambles that was Martinez, only guessing like but on here it was probably 80-20 in favour of Koeman at the time

I think the next manager chosen will split Evertonians right down the middle, fuck knows who it will be or how it's going to go

Bit nervous actually

Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Normm on October 23, 2017, 08:43:06 PM
Unsworth has managed to inspire the youngsters to confidence and success. He needs to bring that experience into the first team. He understands the club and most of the young players very well and can get the best out of them. He is blue all through and I've no doubt that he can make the transition. Let's see until January ...
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Lxxx on October 23, 2017, 08:46:47 PM
Well seeing as we have a game in a few days then Unsworth is the man in the hot seat, albeit temporarily. It's his to lose maybe, if we can grind out a win at Chelsea.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: BlueForYou on October 23, 2017, 08:49:35 PM
I suppose Dyche has experienced relegation (and promotion)

"Not the end of the world - I'll bring you straight back up, I've proved it"

Careful now
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 23, 2017, 08:54:31 PM
Silva until he says no.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: BlueForYou on October 23, 2017, 08:55:02 PM
Whichever manager wins the World Cup - looks like Belgium...................... .........

Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: hill135 on October 23, 2017, 09:04:13 PM
Whoever it is we shouldn't be throwing 6 mil a year at them. We've paid out over 20 mil in compo in 18 months which is ridiculous and unsustainable.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on October 23, 2017, 09:04:17 PM
I'd be happy for Unsworth, Dunc or Arteta to take over on an interim basis for a few months, at least until Christmas, steady the ship a bit.

Highly unlikely that any top manager would take the job, I think we are all looking through blue tinted specs there. I also doubt Silva will move again so quickly. Definitely wouldn't want Eddie Howe, don't see the appeal.

I genuinely have no clue who I would want.
I said I wanted Fonseca last time round, so it's good to see us being linked with him. Although I also used to like the idea of Favre or Bielsa, and they now seem to be doing shite. I used to think Pal Dardai would come good but Hertha seem to have stagnated a bit. Options seem very limited at the minute, so I suppose that strengthens the idea for an interim manager, maybe after the new year more managers will come available.

I do love the romantic idea of our future manager having a link with the club or the fans, and if the interim manager is a success then maybe we will get that. Proper headache this, but I'm glad Koeman has gone anyway.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Jimmywhack on October 23, 2017, 09:05:02 PM
The leading candidates

Sean Dyche is 9/4

David Unsworth 3/1

Carlo Ancelotti  8/1

Chris Coleman 12/1

David Moyes 16/1
Hmm(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171023/e3d4ff540be9ce9933bd82e61ed687ac.jpg)
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Waltzer on October 23, 2017, 09:06:05 PM
Devastated if any of those top 4 got it
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Captain Sarcasm on October 23, 2017, 09:16:32 PM
I'll be surprised if it isn't one of Dyche or Allardyce - of the two I'd go for Dyche.

Until the start of this season I never thought I'd link Dyche with Everton but Burnley have impressed me of late. I also recently read a fantastic chapter on Dyche in a book called Living on the Volcano by Michael Calvin. The book focusses on football managers and their philosophies and what they want from players. It is clear he takes no shit whatsoever and he makes it clear it is all about the team. The players we have need some organisation and belief instilling in them. I'm surprised just how bad our organisation and belief was under Koeman. You can have all the talent in the world but if you're disorganised and don't believe in yourself and the team then forget it. I'd be confident Dyche would instil that again in our players and get Goodison behind the lads again.

 
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Tony Clifton on October 23, 2017, 09:31:26 PM
Dyche makes sense to me. 

The Arteta idea is, um, interesting...
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: april on October 23, 2017, 09:33:53 PM
Allardyche. Dream team.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: TheTone on October 23, 2017, 09:35:34 PM
I just couldn't see Arteta inspiring a team

I wouldn't be averse to Dyche

I'd be made up if an Unsworth/Big Dunc combination worked out though
Title: Re: Unsworth
Post by: Ridge on October 23, 2017, 09:36:19 PM
Unsworth knows the players who have been here, through youth setup. How they play, he knows the experienced players from before Koeman arrived, Rooney from first time at club, Ferguson. He identified Calvert-Lewin from his time at Sheffield United, and helped get him to the club.

I don't think there will be any Evertonian who won't be doing everything to help him or get behind team and actually it is kind of showing again what we as a club are about. 7th is not good enough, we do have the players, the maximum endeavour and courage is all we ask. We don't need to hide in the corner, we've got plenty of talented players, you just have to know how to get the best out of them.

Unsworth did his badges several years at a place called Largs in Scotland, same place as Ferguson, Mourinho, Moyes, AVB. While not a guarantee of anything, it's a very well respected footballing education as far as they go. Many coaches return to stay in touch with changes and new interpretations. The under 23s is not an incredibly prestigious trophy, the format has expanded from under 21s and he's done exceptionally since. But while we have some older players, it's still a young team.

He has been managing under 23s for longer than Koeman was managing the first team. He won the league first season after the change, they are currently 2nd after 8 games. Arsenal, Liverpool, City, United, Chelsea, Spurs all have teams and while it may not be the priority as a club, they all have some of the most talented players and as many, if not more resources. They similarly have a young manager with plenty of investment in their development, and expectation to develop players, but also get players to perform. England Under 20's won the World Cup in the summer with Calvert-Lewin scoring in final and several of our younger players are in or around international team.

Some managers like Pochettino don't really loan players out much, while Chelsea keep the best of 700 hopefuls and loan rest. It's more about development and getting into first team. But if some of them are making him look good, maybe they need to come through, and if he's making them look good, then let's see what he can do with the wealth of resources in first team.

Football is a development game in terms of players, techniques and tactics and many more younger managers have succeeded in recent years. There are several older coaches who can utilise wisdom and a wider understanding, but they are often moving away from being able to relate to the younger players. Ranieri had a number 2 who knifed him after winning the title, Ferguson had Queiroz, Phelan and several others in later years, who felt like they actually ran the show. Mourinho started off as an interpreter for Bobby Robson. Wenger has got Steve Bould to organise defence, but his creative players become frustrated and petulant, before Bould they stopped being able to defend.

I think Koeman's problem is also about writing players off and bending over for others. Ferguson used to do this but with more precision, respect and humility. If you worked hard you were only as good as you can be as a player, but good players had to have the right attitude and respect, but also the manager had to know when to swallow pride, with enthusiasm for the club. Ferguson admitted his biggest mistake was selling Jaap Stam over the book, that's because he would have still been good for the club, it was always his master to cause him to be a ruthless bastard willing to sacrifice. It breaks Mourinho's heart having to sell players and he is in a constant battle for humility. Unfortunately for us, Steve Walsh forgot to buy any humility for Koeman.  :whistle:
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Tinga on October 23, 2017, 09:36:55 PM
Tuchel then Silva then Fonseca.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: blargins on October 23, 2017, 09:39:40 PM
Would want to be aiming higher than Sean Dyche, but then, he's certainly getting results where it counts.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Major Clanger on October 23, 2017, 09:42:39 PM
I just couldn't see Arteta inspiring a team

There are many ways to inspire a team. You certainly won't see him running up and down the touchline bellowing instructions like a fucking nutter, but if he's picked up enough knowledge from Guardiola, he can inspire them in the training ground and instill confidence in them, so there is no need for him to shout on matchdays.

And at least he certainly gets the club and what the expectations are.

I'm not saying we should go for him, by the way, just that it's not as completely bonkers an idea as it may sound at first.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: boothill on October 23, 2017, 09:44:35 PM
At Nice and helped them finish 3rd last year. don't know about this year.

I was under the impression he was a young manager but he's close to 60. I'd consider him but I'd love go down the Poch/Silva route. Get some innovative young coach coming in


Probably get shot down for this but is AVB a mad shout? Still ridiculously young for a manager, had spurs playing lovely stuff and was unlucky with recruitment and getting sacked a bit too soon for me
Did he say to drogba, or lampard. "I dont want you in my team, all you do is score goals"
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Lxxx on October 23, 2017, 09:44:48 PM
There are many ways to inspire a team. You certainly won't see him running up and down the touchline bellowing instructions like a fucking nutter, but if he's picked up enough knowledge from Guardiola, he can inspire them in the training ground and instill confidence in them, so there is no need for him to shout on matchdays.

And at least he certainly gets the club and what the expectations are.

I'm not saying we should go for him, by the way, just that it's not as completely bonkers an idea as it may sound at first.

I must admit I do think it's bonkers.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Macca77 on October 23, 2017, 09:45:46 PM
Need to make a big statement here really, Ancelotti or Tuchel would be exactly that
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: BlueBeagle on October 23, 2017, 09:45:55 PM
There are many ways to inspire a team. You certainly won't see him running up and down the touchline bellowing instructions like a fucking nutter, but if he's picked up enough knowledge from Guardiola, he can inspire them in the training ground and instill confidence in them, so there is no need for him to shout on matchdays.

And at least he certainly gets the club and what the expectations are.

I'm not saying we should go for him, by the way, just that it's not as completely bonkers an idea as it may sound at first.

Let's not forget that we had a Guardiola disciple in Martinez. That worked out great.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Major Clanger on October 23, 2017, 09:51:00 PM
I must admit I do think it's bonkers.

I would say it's slightly bonkers. On a scale of bonkers with 0 being sensible and 1 being electing Trump as your president, it's around 0.6.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: plumber on October 23, 2017, 09:51:29 PM
Surely Arteta shout is a joke?
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 23, 2017, 09:55:13 PM
If it's Fat Sam, who is circulating e-vites for the Jonestown meetup?
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: DanDan on October 23, 2017, 10:07:06 PM
The one thing I heard about Ancellotti whilst watching some of the Bayern game on TV at the weekend was that he didn't give younger players a game.
The commentators were referring to Kimmich and that he wasn't getting as much game time as what people were expecting. He didn't seem to play that Renato Sanches much either. Was that just because he had better players there though? Id still prefer him as my number 1 choice but whether he wants the challenge is another.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: American Evertonian on October 23, 2017, 10:07:25 PM
Need to make a big statement here really, Ancelotti or Tuchel would be exactly that

Would like either of those. If we go for a domestic candidate I would love if we got Wagner. Think he will be an amazing manager and has great pedigree having managed the BVB academy prior to HUFC.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: BlueForYou on October 23, 2017, 10:12:04 PM
First thing the new manager will say -

"We need a striker"

That's what Ron said

Second thing -

"The board have promised me one"

That's what they told Ron

Here we go, here we go, here we go
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Bluedylan on October 23, 2017, 10:13:32 PM
Would like either of those. If we go for a domestic candidate I would love if we got Wagner. Think he will be an amazing manager and has great pedigree having managed the BVB academy prior to HUFC.

Wagner is an excellent shout.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Macca77 on October 23, 2017, 10:14:58 PM
Adrian Durhams suggestion for new manager, Wayne Rooney!
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Bluedylan on October 23, 2017, 10:19:13 PM
Adrian Durhams suggestion for new manager, Wayne Rooney!


Tune in to Radio Merseyside instead of that drivel.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Macca77 on October 23, 2017, 10:22:35 PM
Tune in to Radio Merseyside instead of that drivel.

Not a fan of the Bee Gees mate
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Silas on October 23, 2017, 10:24:31 PM
I think I would have Moyes back before Allardyce
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: boothill on October 23, 2017, 10:29:17 PM
Adrian Durhams suggestion for new manager, Wayne Rooney!
Hes just being a very bad agent provocateur, the ginger bastard
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Faceatthefence on October 23, 2017, 10:29:31 PM
Moyes wouldn't be a Moshiri choice. He'll want a big name.

We need to find the next Poch/Silva. A European manager with a clearly defined vision who is significantly overachieving, but under the radar.
Paulo Fonseca it is,just months on his contract left so maybe fits the bill.....thats not a pun btw
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: boothill on October 23, 2017, 10:30:14 PM
Tune in to Radio Merseyside instead of that drivel.
But its the beegees
Not a fan of the Bee Gees mate
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: TheTone on October 23, 2017, 10:32:21 PM
But its the beegees

Tragedy?
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: blue slug on October 23, 2017, 10:34:04 PM
don't know anything about this fonseca chap and haven't seen any shakhtar games either
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: BlueForYou on October 23, 2017, 10:35:49 PM
You win again
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: bacon sarnie on October 23, 2017, 10:37:24 PM
Greg Vanney doing alright with Toronto FC....but on a serious note what #AmericanEvertonian said. Confident Unsworth will bring something to the table til we find someone else.

Enjoy your 6mil Koeman. Fuckin charlatan. Almost as bad as Klopp  :wanker:
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Morta75 on October 23, 2017, 10:53:29 PM
Silva is a good choice, but I feel he is a bit like Roberto Martinez. Good in the attacking play, but suck in defensive work. Too much goals against...

In the short term I would go for Ancelotti (but my biggest concern here is that he dont like/ or give youngster the chance).

Unsy is also a good choice in my opinion. Up and comming
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: boothill on October 23, 2017, 10:54:37 PM
Tragedy?
It was
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Normm on October 23, 2017, 10:57:35 PM
Unsworth should be given a chance to bring to the first team the confidence and success he has inspired with the under 23's.

He is also one of ours. Let's see how he gets on ...judging by his past, I think he will do very well indeed. Time will tell.

(PS: A big thank you to Arsen Venger and Arsenal FC for helping to end the nightmare!  :woohoo:)

Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Robioto on October 23, 2017, 11:02:23 PM
The more I think about it the more I come round to the idea of Dyche...

I think he's a very good manager who players like to play for and has been extremely impressive with a tiny budget at Burnley. Burnley have always been very good defensively as well.

It's hard, there is nobody obvious...

Although names like Ancelotti and Tuchel are exciting, they are more of a gamble than a Dyche, Howe or even Unsworth.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Confucius on October 23, 2017, 11:03:51 PM
Reckon Unsworth might walk if he doesn't get it.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: BlueForYou on October 23, 2017, 11:06:12 PM
Two and a half or three and a half year contract?
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: BlueBeagle on October 23, 2017, 11:08:21 PM
Reckon Unsworth might walk if he doesn't get it.

Be a better idea than staying with a reserve side let's be honest
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Coyb12 on October 23, 2017, 11:15:44 PM
I don't want unworthy myself he needs to go and manger in the Championship before us I m o,it's a massive decision and we need to get this one right.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Silas on October 23, 2017, 11:17:28 PM
Reckon Unsworth might walk if he doesn't get it.

He definitely won't.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Normm on October 23, 2017, 11:17:41 PM
Marco Silva is too inexperienced. This would be his third club this year, if appointed. Might as well see how Unsworth gets on.

If successful, as he has been with the under 23's, he is not likely to flit off somewhere else at the drop of a pay cheque.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on October 23, 2017, 11:19:48 PM
I don't want unworthy myself he needs to go and manger in the Championship before us I m o,it's a massive decision and we need to get this one right.

He has already hasn't he?
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: therealdunc on October 23, 2017, 11:19:56 PM
Has to be big Sam

Has one more job in him, hungry to be given the chance and prove himself - has stated numerous times in recent months he will only return to management for a big job that gives him the chance to really go for it.

Proven manager at improving and maximising player ability’s

Played good football at Bolton when he had the good players in his final 2 years there despite the rubbish the London based media wrote about him

Has a good relationship with some of the current squad
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Confucius on October 23, 2017, 11:21:19 PM
He definitely won't.

Not sure, passed over twice even though doing a stellar job at u23 level. Winning leagues competing with the Cities etc of this world on a similar budget...


Does he deserve the chance? Interesting one.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: D15TIN on October 23, 2017, 11:21:20 PM
Has to be big Sam

Has one more job in him, hungry to be given the chance and prove himself - has stated numerous times in recent months he will only return to management for a big job that gives him the chance to really go for it.

Proven manager at improving and maximising player ability’s

Played good football at Bolton when he had the good players in his final 2 years there despite the rubbish the London based media wrote about him

Has a good relationship with some of the current squad
Dodgy bastard, ale house football, would honestly consider stopping going.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Macca77 on October 23, 2017, 11:22:11 PM
Do me favour and fuck off with the Allardyce shouts, wouldnt want the likes of him anywere near our club
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Coyb12 on October 23, 2017, 11:22:21 PM
He has already hasn't he?
I think it was Preston was it caretaker.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Ball8y on October 23, 2017, 11:23:02 PM
That young fella-me-lad Pep, at Manchester City could be tempted away with a few bob and a couple of packets of swizzels I think.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on October 23, 2017, 11:23:09 PM
I think it was Preston was it caretaker.

Ye 2 spells as caretaker/interim manager.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Jimmywhack on October 23, 2017, 11:23:11 PM
Ryan Giggs can get to fuck as well
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: kramer0 on October 23, 2017, 11:23:25 PM
The only thing I can say with any certainty is that if whoever we appoint next even entertains the idea of playing Cuco Martina, he should be sacked immediately.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: therealdunc on October 23, 2017, 11:24:22 PM
Sean Dyche is the sort of manager you get in if you have a tight budget and pay championship wages at a club with no expectations.

We are not there anymore.

Sean Dyche is criticised by Burnley fans for failing to make positive changes in games, they say he is often to slow to change his team or tactics and when he does it’s often negative.

The other criticism is he is often to happy to take a draw - we are past that sort of rubbish of the Moyes era.

Sean Dyche would be a step backward.

As for Unsworth, don’t know enough about him but managing the u23s where there is no pressure and it’s all about being friends with the players and improving them is a lot different to the first team.

Unsworth would be too big a risk .

Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Robioto on October 23, 2017, 11:29:38 PM
Funny reading these posts, there isn’t one manager that a majority of fans are leaning towards. Shows there is not a lot about at the moment and that nobody really knows what we need.

Going to be interesting.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Bluedylan on October 23, 2017, 11:33:15 PM
Funny reading these posts, there isn’t one manager that a majority of fans are leaning towards. Shows there is not a lot about at the moment and that nobody really knows what we need.

Going to be interesting.


I don't think it shows that there's not a lot about. There's loads of options and managers about that we could get.

What it shows is that we're a large, opinionated fanbase with a diverse range of opinions.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Silas on October 23, 2017, 11:34:19 PM
Not sure, passed over twice even though doing a stellar job at u23 level. Winning leagues competing with the Cities etc of this world on a similar budget...


Does he deserve the chance? Interesting one.

He loves his current role and counts himself incredibly lucky to be working at Everton
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Confucius on October 23, 2017, 11:34:36 PM
He loves his current role and counts himself incredibly lucky to be working at Everton

Hope that's true.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Robioto on October 23, 2017, 11:34:59 PM
I don't think it shows that there's not a lot about. There's loads of options and managers about that we could get.

What it shows is that we're a large, opinionated fanbase with a diverse range of opinions.

True, there are multiple ways of looking at it.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Silas on October 23, 2017, 11:35:50 PM
Hope that's true.

It is mate. He lives round the corner from me he's always talking about it
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Confucius on October 23, 2017, 11:36:28 PM
Think i would want Arteta first and if not him, Tuchel. Unsworth close behind. happy with any of those.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on October 23, 2017, 11:36:36 PM
Big decision to be made - if at any point we’re looking for our 3rd manager of the season, we’ll get relegated.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Waltzer on October 23, 2017, 11:36:40 PM
Im bemused why people are voting for Unsworth, remove the fact he has anything to do with Everton and hes bottom of that list by miles, well him Arteta and Ferguson. I just dont get it, I love Everton and feel like I have it coursing through my blood, im also manager of a kids team, any chance I could get added to the list?
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Confucius on October 23, 2017, 11:37:14 PM
It is mate. He lives round the corner from me he's always talking about it

Do you get to speak to him often?
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Confucius on October 23, 2017, 11:37:33 PM
Im bemused why people are voting for Unsworth, remove the fact he has anything to do with Everton and hes bottom of that list by miles, well him Arteta and Ferguson. I just dont get it, I love Everton and feel like I have it coursing through my blood, im also manager of a kids team, any chance I could get added to the list?

Do you have a your UEFA pro coaching badges?
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: blue slug on October 23, 2017, 11:37:46 PM
I see gigs has thrown his hat in the ring ffs
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Waltzer on October 23, 2017, 11:38:47 PM
Do you have a your UEFA pro coaching badges?

Working towards my FA one, thats all Shearer had wasnt it and he did okay :)
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Confucius on October 23, 2017, 11:38:54 PM
I see gigs has thrown his hat in the ring ffs

Where?
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on October 23, 2017, 11:39:03 PM
I don't think it shows that there's not a lot about. There's loads of options and managers about that we could get.

What it shows is that we're a large, opinionated fanbase with a diverse range of opinions.
...and most of our fans opinions would see us relegated.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Confucius on October 23, 2017, 11:39:13 PM
Working towards my FA one, thats all Shearer had wasnt it and he did okay :)

Well apply, you might get something.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Bluedylan on October 23, 2017, 11:41:39 PM
Giggs is a horrible human being, apart from anything else. Fuck that.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: D3blue on October 23, 2017, 11:43:21 PM

I think we need a 'safe' appointment at least for the rest of this season.  The squad is such a mess we can't afford the risk of the R word.   

I'd reluctantly go with big Sam if Dyche isn't available, and Sam would be happy with a short term contract. 

Ancelotti would struggle with our quality of squad. 

I can't see Arteta having enough presence to command a squad, not to mention that he has no track record. 

Unsworth deserves a punt at it but I would hate to lose him if things went wrong.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on October 23, 2017, 11:44:38 PM
Unsworth deserves a punt at it but I would hate to lose him if things went wrong.

This is a very good point.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Lazarou on October 23, 2017, 11:44:42 PM
Im bemused why people are voting for Unsworth, remove the fact he has anything to do with Everton and hes bottom of that list by miles, well him Arteta and Ferguson. I just dont get it, I love Everton and feel like I have it coursing through my blood, im also manager of a kids team, any chance I could get added to the list?

Me too mate. We won yesterday so I am more than qualified.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Audrey Horne on October 23, 2017, 11:48:55 PM
Giggs is an absolute cunt of a man. Dont want him any where near the club.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: BlueBeagle on October 23, 2017, 11:57:49 PM
Giggs: I'd be interested in Everton and Leicester

lolol lolol lolol

Fuck off you absolute clown. Can't even get an interview at Championship level.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: everton1952 on October 24, 2017, 12:02:17 AM
No way Mr Giggs, I would rather have Unsworth than you. But as someone else has already said, it would do Unsworth no favours if he gets the job for a few weeks or until the season ends and then Mr Big comes in with his management team and Unsie gets the push.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Paddockoldie on October 24, 2017, 12:08:04 AM
No way Mr Giggs, I would rather have Unsworth than you. But as someone else has already said, it would do Unsworth no favours if he gets the job for a few weeks or until the season ends and then Mr Big comes in with his management team and Unsie gets the push.
No way Mr Giggs, I would rather have Unsworth than you. But as someone else has already said, it would do Unsworth no favours if he gets the job for a few weeks or until the season ends and then Mr Big comes in with his management team and Unsie gets the push.
No way Mr Giggs, I would rather have Unsworth than you. But as someone else has already said, it would do Unsworth no favours if he gets the job for a few weeks or until the season ends and then Mr Big comes in with his management team and Unsie gets the push.

I don't think he'd see himself as first choice but he's Everton through and through so would steady the reins... he's our manager at some point i reckon. We need someone to step up and I think he's ideal for now.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Heisenberg on October 24, 2017, 12:11:08 AM
No way Mr Giggs, I would rather have Unsworth than you. But as someone else has already said, it would do Unsworth no favours if he gets the job for a few weeks or until the season ends and then Mr Big comes in with his management team and Unsie gets the push.

No way would unsworth take it this way. Nobody gets top jobs like this anymore really. If he performs well he may bag himself a job at a low end prem team or high championship team he can work his way up with
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Faceatthefence on October 24, 2017, 12:22:50 AM
I see gigs has thrown his hat in the ring ffs
Eh! Hope not it,ll take me days to get the rust off me guillotine.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: april on October 24, 2017, 12:23:01 AM
I think we need a manager who the players can relate to, can warm to, who will bring the best out of them with personal skills. Despite Koeman’s undoubted achievements as player and manager, it seems like this is part of him that is missing. I’ve never known such unrest, murmurings, falling out. Maybe he was too distant, too hard. The players, god love them, maybe sometimes need an arm around them as well as someone who brings respect and tactical knowledge.
Don’t ask me who that is though...
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Gash on October 24, 2017, 12:26:51 AM
Giggs can fuck off. He thinks that because he worked with SAF and was assistant at Man Utd for a while that's got some sort of right to manage in the Premier League. He needs to lose the ego and fuck off to League One or Two first and see how he gets on.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Simon Paul on October 24, 2017, 12:27:26 AM
Giggs has seen DCL's girlfriend...
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 24, 2017, 12:28:22 AM
I think we need a manager who the players can relate to, can warm to, who will bring the best out of them with personal skills. Despite Koeman’s undoubted achievements as player and manager, it seems like this is part of him that is missing. I’ve never known such unrest, murmurings, falling out. Maybe he was too distant, too hard. The players, god love them, maybe sometimes need an arm around them as well as someone who brings respect and tactical knowledge.
Don’t ask me who that is though...

In other words, Koeman was Dutch.  :D
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Macca77 on October 24, 2017, 12:32:53 AM
Giggs has seen DCL's girlfriend...

Was just about to say the same
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Brownie20 on October 24, 2017, 12:38:09 AM
Giggs is an absolute cunt of a man. Dont want him any where near the club.

Think how much of a cunt he is - his dad is worse
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: American Evertonian on October 24, 2017, 12:39:04 AM
Wagner is an excellent shout.

I'm surprised more people haven't brought his name up yet. He is going toe-to-toe with some of the better PL clubs and has minuscule resources compared to us. Would be delighted if he came to us.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Redartin on October 24, 2017, 12:40:38 AM
Don't care who we get as long as:

He is not ginger which rules out Moyes & Dyche,

He is not Dutch which rules out de Boer

He is not, or ever has been, involved in international management, ruling out Big Sam, Coleman, Martin O'Neill etc

He is not a current Premier League Manager ruling out Howe, Benitez, Silva etc

He is not called cunt ruling out Giggs and Mark Hughes

That should narrow things down a bit.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: blueski on October 24, 2017, 12:42:02 AM
for me the new manager has to want the job and not wait a month to accept and then promptly go off on holiday instead of get started on the job at hand
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Toffee1 on October 24, 2017, 12:48:48 AM
Oh dear Jim White will believe anything.

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/870158/Jamie-Carragher-Ryan-Giggs-Everton-manager-Sky-Sports-video
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Redartin on October 24, 2017, 12:58:08 AM
What about Joey Barton as manager and Jim White as Director of football. It a no brainer, they both know the club inside out.


It's no crazier than the Giggs shouts.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Cereal Killer on October 24, 2017, 01:01:57 AM
Whoever it is we shouldn't be throwing 6 mil a year at them. We've paid out over 20 mil in compo in 18 months which is ridiculous and unsustainable.

Depending on who it was, make the contract a lot more performance specific e.g. If we're in the relegation zone again in the next 3 years you get no compensation you useless cunt
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on October 24, 2017, 01:06:14 AM
Apparently Mourinhos last contract with Chelsea had a clause in that the club would continue to pay him (weekly or monthly) until he found another club, instead of 1 big payout, which is why he took his time. Seems like a sensible option, however I'm not sure we're a big enough club to attract big managers and get them to agree to a similar clause.

I'm assuming Chelsea must have that with all their managers considering the amount they go through.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 24, 2017, 01:07:07 AM
Don't care who we get as long as:

He is not ginger which rules out Moyes & Dyche,

He is not Dutch which rules out de Boer

He is not, or ever has been, involved in international management, ruling out Big Sam, Coleman, Martin O'Neill etc

He is not a current Premier League Manager ruling out Howe, Benitez, Silva etc

He is not called cunt ruling out Giggs and Mark Hughes

That should narrow things down a bit.

oh God, someone finally said Mark Hughes.  There goes my lunch.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: D_murph0278 on October 24, 2017, 01:12:20 AM
The list of potential replacements is hardly inspiring. In fact, there's only Marco Silva I'd have at the moment and he won't be leaving Watford so soon after joining.
Unsworth is a good option for the club at the moment. More than anything we need team spirit and man management back and a settled system concentrating on the basics.... Defending well and being a threat going the other way. We've got a hell of a squad for someone to pick up with a clean slate and I honestly think the likes of Schneiderlen, Klassen, Williams and Martina are going to be watching from the stands pretty soon.
All of this "lack of experience" snobbery from a fair few on here is bullshit. We need to get back to basics first.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: BlueForYou on October 24, 2017, 01:19:07 AM
Giggs and Scholes - can you imagine, no thanks, not a chance


Well, it's Brendan Rodgers for me; offer him an 18 month contract, if it doesn't work out and Silva is still doing nicely, make a move for him - and then Rodgers to Sheff Wed, the team he supports

Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Redartin on October 24, 2017, 01:19:11 AM
Did Larry White AKA Laurent Blanc quit management after PSG? Or is it just nobody wanted him?
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Rodenplav64 on October 24, 2017, 01:22:34 AM
http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/trainer/verfuegbaretrainer/statistik

So many who don't inspire . Don't really want a man of the moment like Silva ,has done OK but his sides have also had some hidings and he was sacked by Olympiakos .
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: D15TIN on October 24, 2017, 01:27:18 AM
http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/trainer/verfuegbaretrainer/statistik

So many who don't inspire . Don't really want a man of the moment like Silva ,has done OK but his sides have also had some hidings and he was sacked by Olympiakos .

Could draw a few comparisons to Martinez with him, that's my worry
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Paddockoldie on October 24, 2017, 01:27:59 AM
Giggs has seen DCL's girlfriend...

Hope it was after and not before. Imagine finding that out!!
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: bigac on October 24, 2017, 01:32:01 AM
Alan Curbishley, surely. He's always available.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Running Blue on October 24, 2017, 01:34:57 AM
What about Joey Barton as manager and Jim White as Director of football. It a no brainer, they both know the club inside out.


It's no crazier than the Giggs shouts.

Fair point.  All three have 13 Premier League winner's medals, four FA Cup winner's medals, three League Cup winner's medals, two UEFA Champions League winner's medals, a FIFA Club World Cup winners medal, an Intercontinental Cup winner's medal, a UEFA Super Cup winner's medal and nine FA Community Shield winner's medals. 

The three of them each played for 20+ years under the most accomplished manager in British football as well.

It's one thing not to like Ryan Giggs, but let's be realistic here. 
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Macca77 on October 24, 2017, 01:38:09 AM
Wonder when the Martin O'Neill shouts will start
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on October 24, 2017, 01:40:24 AM
Wonder when the Martin O'Neill shouts will start

Few pages back
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 24, 2017, 01:44:59 AM
Hope it was after and not before. Imagine finding that out!!

Speaking as a hetero dude, I still find it a shocking downgrade to go from DCL to Giggs.  I don't give a tin shit how much money the latter has, there's no way that makes up for the disparity in quality.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on October 24, 2017, 02:09:18 AM


Well, it's Brendan Rodgers for me; offer him an 18 month contract, if it doesn't work out and Silva is still doing nicely, make a move for him - and then Rodgers to Sheff Wed, the team he supports



Brendan Rodgers?

FUCKING HELL.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Confucius on October 24, 2017, 02:11:53 AM
Surprised no love for Julian Nagelsman. Wouldn't mind him at all.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Mayor Farnum on October 24, 2017, 02:14:56 AM
It'll be either Big Sam or Dyche. Two reasons; we can't afford to gamble as relegation is a real possibility and secondly, they're getable.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: D_murph0278 on October 24, 2017, 02:24:10 AM
Surprised no love for Julian Nagelsman. Wouldn't mind him at all.

Bloody good shout that. He's only 12 though isn't he?
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Mayor Farnum on October 24, 2017, 02:27:18 AM
Surprised no love for Julian Nagelsman. Wouldn't mind him at all.

One year at Hoffenheim. Just the man for a relegation struggle in the most competitive league in Europe.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Bluedylan on October 24, 2017, 02:28:47 AM
Brendan Rodgers?

FUCKING HELL.

Talented coach, shame he's a massive bellend.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: D_murph0278 on October 24, 2017, 02:31:26 AM
One year at Hoffenheim. Just the man for a relegation struggle in the most competitive league in Europe.

And you would have?......
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Mayor Farnum on October 24, 2017, 02:32:46 AM

And you would have?......

Big Sam.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: D_murph0278 on October 24, 2017, 02:34:15 AM
Big Sam.

Fuck me!
No offence but we're not fucking Sunderland in the middle of March.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: dekko on October 24, 2017, 02:35:06 AM
Lots of gambles in that list. If we had just fired someone else and Koeman was still at Southampton, he’d be one of the top picks.
It has to be Ancelotti, lots of experience, but would he come?
Benitez is a decent shout in managerial terms, but I cannot stand him, will always think of him in red.
I don’t know why people want Silva. In my view, still inexperienced in the PL.

I’d rather have Unsworth and Big Dunc than most of these “gambles”. They’d make the players play with their hearts again.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Confucius on October 24, 2017, 02:36:00 AM
One year at Hoffenheim. Just the man for a relegation struggle in the most competitive league in Europe.

one year and took them from relegation to top 4 and champion's league. Still in the top 4 this season.

Nick-named mini- Mourinho
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: BlueForYou on October 24, 2017, 02:36:31 AM
Somebody with a first name not beginning with R

(Rodgers is a surname!)

Rob & Ron lost the dressing room

Somebody with a first name beginning with H

(That'll be Heimir, then!)

Harry & Howard owned the dressing room

Dressing room rules, OK?
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Mayor Farnum on October 24, 2017, 02:40:44 AM

Fuck me!
No offence but we're not fucking Sunderland in the middle of March.


We're in real trouble of being dragged into a relegation battle. We need someone who knows the league, our opponents and what's required to stay up.

Allardyce has left every club he's managed in a better position than when he took over.

You can fantasise all you like about foreign managers but at our level they fail much more often than they succeed. We can't afford the next manager to fail or we'll be relegated.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Trowel on October 24, 2017, 02:43:31 AM
I remember Moshiri talking about his ambition for the club along the lines of he's not getting any younger.

He strikes me as the sort of guy who will throw cash at Ancelotti on a short-term deal.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Shropshire Blue on October 24, 2017, 02:44:29 AM
Every appointment is a gamble. It maybe fun for us  saying we want this one or that one but we don't have a clue what really goes on behind the scenes.

Personally I think it all went wrong in Ellesmere Port that night.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Mayor Farnum on October 24, 2017, 02:45:04 AM
one year and took them from relegation to top 4 and champion's league. Still in the top 4 this season.

Nick-named mini- Mourinho

Every manager that has a modicum of success under the age of thirty-five gets compared to Mourinho. What's AVB up to these days?
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: TheTone on October 24, 2017, 02:46:39 AM
great stuff in this thread, keep it up lids
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: American Evertonian on October 24, 2017, 02:49:13 AM
We're in real trouble of being dragged into a relegation battle. We need someone who knows the league, our opponents and what's required to stay up.

Allardyce has left every club he's managed in a better position than when he took over.

You can fantasise all you like about foreign managers but at our level they fail much more often than they succeed. We can't afford the next manager to fail or we'll be relegated.

I'm with D_murph on this one. We have 30 matches left. Not about offering one of them the position then being stuck with their negative football the next two seasons. Will kill any potential to crack into CL within the next 4 years with one of those hires. Would rather keep Unsworth.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Redartin on October 24, 2017, 02:49:56 AM
Fair point.  All three have 13 Premier League winner's medals, four FA Cup winner's medals, three League Cup winner's medals, two UEFA Champions League winner's medals, a FIFA Club World Cup winners medal, an Intercontinental Cup winner's medal, a UEFA Super Cup winner's medal and nine FA Community Shield winner's medals. 

The three of them each played for 20+ years under the most accomplished manager in British football as well.

It's one thing not to like Ryan Giggs, but let's be realistic here. 

Have a look at Koeman's record as a player and look where that got us.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Macca77 on October 24, 2017, 02:51:34 AM
The thought of Sam Allardyce makes me sick to my stomach, seriously now, stop bringing his name up, he's an arrogant killer of football
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Mayor Farnum on October 24, 2017, 02:51:45 AM
I'm with D_murph on this one. We have 30 matches left. Not about offering one of them the position then being stuck with their negative football the next two seasons. Will kill any potential to crack into CL within the next 4 years with one of those hires. Would rather keep Unsworth.

We're in the relegation places and without a manger and you mention CL. I thought we laughed at Newcastle for that kind of thing.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: D15TIN on October 24, 2017, 02:52:36 AM
also worth noting that giggs was pretty shite as united manager when he was in charge
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: TheTone on October 24, 2017, 02:53:51 AM
Giggs and Scholes - can you imagine, no thanks, not a chance


Well, it's Brendan Rodgers for me; offer him an 18 month contract, if it doesn't work out and Silva is still doing nicely, make a move for him - and then Rodgers to Sheff Wed, the team he supports



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Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Macca77 on October 24, 2017, 02:54:55 AM
Some of you have clearly been smoking crack today
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Running Blue on October 24, 2017, 02:57:39 AM
Have a look at Koeman's record as a player and look where that got us.

Of course, being a great player doesn't make a great manager, and being a shite player doesn't make a shite manager. 

However, the longevity of Gigg's career (at the top) suggests that the potential is there.  A player cannot play at the top level for 20+ years without understanding the game, being disciplined, and having a good work ethic.  I'm not sure that anyone has ever accused Barton of having any of those qualities. 

Then there's the fact of playing all of those years under Ferguson.  A student can study at Oxford or Cambridge for 20 years without learning anything, but at least they have been exposed to a great deal of wisdom. 

I'm not saying that Giggs should be the next manager.  However, I think he is easily distinguishable from Barton.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Mayor Farnum on October 24, 2017, 02:57:41 AM
The thought of Sam Allardyce makes me sick to my stomach, seriously now, stop bringing his name up, he's an arrogant killer of football

When did we all become football purists? I've seen the vast majority of Everton games for the last thirty-five years and we have never differentiated between a good win and a bad win. Believe me the 'team of the eighties' loved a corner.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: D15TIN on October 24, 2017, 03:00:33 AM
Have I just seen Brendan Rodgers mentioned? jesus Christ.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Brownie20 on October 24, 2017, 03:03:30 AM
Have I just seen Brendan Rodgers mentioned? jesus Christ.

Now there's a shout. He's good at miracles
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Macca77 on October 24, 2017, 03:04:00 AM
When did we all become football purists? I've seen the vast majority of Everton games for the last thirty-five years and we have never differentiated between a good win and a bad win. Believe me the 'team of the eighties' loved a corner.

So your telling me you'll be happy playing hoof ball, happy to see Pickford taking free kicks inside our opponents half? Allardyce had one biggish job in his managerial career, that was at Newcastle and he failed badly! Not arsed about the hes never been relegated tag, doesn't mean hes a good manager, it actually means fuck all. His name shouldnt be mentioned as a potential Everton manager
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Macca77 on October 24, 2017, 03:05:40 AM
Have I just seen Brendan Rodgers mentioned? jesus Christ.

He a beautiful and wonderful human being
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: TheTone on October 24, 2017, 03:06:03 AM
So your telling me you'll be happy playing hoof ball, happy to see Pickford taking free kicks inside our opponents half? Allardyce had one biggish job in his managerial career, that was at Newcastle and he failed badly! Not arsed about the hes never been relegated tag, doesn't mean hes a good manager, it actually means fuck all. His name shouldnt be mentioned as a potential Everton manager

wor abar Tony Pulis then?
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Macca77 on October 24, 2017, 03:06:54 AM
wor abar Tony Pulis then?

Ill see your Pulis and raise you Harry Redknapp
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Macca77 on October 24, 2017, 03:11:52 AM
Let's go mad and bring Sherwood in, just for shits and giggles
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: gizzblue on October 24, 2017, 03:14:30 AM
Let's go mad and bring Sherwood in, just for shits and giggles
Now there's a cunts cunt ..if there ever was one .
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Macca77 on October 24, 2017, 03:15:09 AM
Now there's a cunts cunt ..if there ever was one .

Yep

Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Juanito on October 24, 2017, 03:18:35 AM
We're in real trouble of being dragged into a relegation battle. We need someone who knows the league, our opponents and what's required to stay up.

Allardyce has left every club he's managed in a better position than when he took over.

You can fantasise all you like about foreign managers but at our level they fail much more often than they succeed. We can't afford the next manager to fail or we'll be relegated.

Once we get a new manager in, the feel good factor should come back. Bolasie will add pace and power on the wing, Coleman will come in and transform the right hand side, we will sign a top draw striker in January and we will sell Klaassen to a team in China for 75 million. 
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Shogun on October 24, 2017, 03:20:09 AM
Surprised there haven't been a lot more shouts for Eddie Howe.

He's got more potential than Sean Dyche.
He plays a good brand of football.
He's an Evertonian.

Seems the most realistic appointment to me if we're to avoid Unsworth.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Redartin on October 24, 2017, 03:20:13 AM
Let's go mad and bring Sherwood in, just for shits and giggles

What about Micheal O'Neill and Rooney as his assistant. After games they could go on the piss and share a taxi home.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Rhys on October 24, 2017, 03:23:52 AM
Apparently Mourinhos last contract with Chelsea had a clause in that the club would continue to pay him (weekly or monthly) until he found another club, instead of 1 big payout, which is why he took his time. Seems like a sensible option, however I'm not sure we're a big enough club to attract big managers and get them to agree to a similar clause.

I'm assuming Chelsea must have that with all their managers considering the amount they go through.

Yes the definitely did with Di Matteo. He won the CL got a big contract with them something like 7m per year and the clause was they would pay his wages in full until the end of the contract in 2 years unless he took another job. So he turned down job after job until they had paid him up in full then took the Schalke job not long after.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Rhys on October 24, 2017, 03:24:56 AM
Surprised no love for Julian Nagelsman. Wouldn't mind him at all.

I think it's because Bayern have got him as their number 1 target. They've given the job to Sagnol until the summer as apparently they couldnt get Hoffenheim to agree to let him go mid-season so wouldnt be shocked if they made an agreement to get him in the summer instead.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: blob on October 24, 2017, 03:27:12 AM
unsworth/allardyce = the road to  nowhere.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: BlueBeagle on October 24, 2017, 03:29:13 AM
Surprised there haven't been a lot more shouts for Eddie Howe.

He's got more potential than Sean Dyche.
He plays a good brand of football.
He's an Evertonian.

Seems the most realistic appointment to me if we're to avoid Unsworth.

There was talk of him getting the sack a while back due to a poor run of results and Bournemouth are currently a place below us in the league.

The "good brand of football" while managing a shit club... Martinez MkII?
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Macca77 on October 24, 2017, 03:30:55 AM
Ancelotti into 4/1 from 12's
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Shogun on October 24, 2017, 03:32:12 AM
There was talk of him getting the sack a while back due to a poor run of results and Bournemouth are currently a place below us in the league.

The "good brand of football" while managing a shit club... Martinez MkII?

Well you won't know until he manages a better club. The fact he's been there five years and they're still a PL club speaks volumes considering they've been the smallest club in the league during that time.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: velimski on October 24, 2017, 03:35:53 AM
Well you won't know until he manages a better club. The fact he's been there five years and they're still a PL club speaks volumes considering they've been the smallest club in the league during that time.

They might be small but he's spent a shit load of money.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Ridge on October 24, 2017, 03:36:18 AM
Surprised there haven't been a lot more shouts for Eddie Howe.

He's got more potential than Sean Dyche.
He plays a good brand of football.
He's an Evertonian.

Seems the most realistic appointment to me if we're to avoid Unsworth.

Disappointingly Howe has the same as Allardyce and surprisingly less than Mikel Arteta. I was looking and wondering if my eyes were deceiving me and it was 6 votes for Mancini or Mazzari, I just couldn't work out which one. I think it might be a bit of a WTF factor, if we're going to have Unsworth why not really push the boat out and try the tea lady.

And who voted for Mark Hughes, even Benitez would start off with a mutiny. And who ever voted for Ferguson has 'Dunc' or something like that in their name and should be considered biased and not to be taken seriously.  :wag:
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: D15TIN on October 24, 2017, 03:37:55 AM
Mancini odds came right in earlier, don't think thatd be a good move.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Mayor Farnum on October 24, 2017, 03:38:32 AM
So your telling me you'll be happy playing hoof ball, happy to see Pickford taking free kicks inside our opponents half? Allardyce had one biggish job in his managerial career, that was at Newcastle and he failed badly! Not arsed about the hes never been relegated tag, doesn't mean hes a good manager, it actually means fuck all. His name shouldnt be mentioned as a potential Everton manager

He was sacked by Ashley to bring back Keegan to win brownie points with the Cartoon Army. He only had half a season and was mid-table.
He does play direct but if it brings results he will be forgiven. He is a realistic choice and deserves consideration.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Jimmywhack on October 24, 2017, 03:39:06 AM
Ancelotti into 4/1 from 12's
Dyche is 13/8
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: BlueBeagle on October 24, 2017, 03:39:29 AM
Well you won't know until he manages a better club. The fact he's been there five years and they're still a PL club speaks volumes considering they've been the smallest club in the league during that time.

No we won't, cant afford to take the risk either really can we.

He got them promoted on a big budget that had them under FFP investigation if I remember rightly.

Just about survived their 1st season, last year finished 9th but the gap between 9th and 17th was just 6 points.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Ridge on October 24, 2017, 03:40:07 AM
And if it's Dunc himself who has signed up, I'd just like to say I think he's just fantastic and too invaluable in his current role obviously  :blush:
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: hill135 on October 24, 2017, 03:40:26 AM
Don't think Howe is very good. Naive, open football which sees them concede many and win few. Bournemouth have been turd for long periods and sooner or later they'll be relegated.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Macca77 on October 24, 2017, 03:41:19 AM
He was sacked by Ashley to bring back Keegan to win brownie points with the Cartoon Army. He only had half a season and was mid-table.
He does play direct but if it brings results he will be forgiven. He is a realistic choice and deserves consideration.

Not a chance! Truely awful manager, Palace and Sunderland were his level
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Mayor Farnum on October 24, 2017, 03:43:17 AM
Not a chance! Truely awful manager, Palace and Sunderland were his level

Fair enough. Your choice would be who?
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: loroloco on October 24, 2017, 03:43:47 AM
Marco Silva has come in to 6/4 favourite from 20's with paddy power.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: TheTone on October 24, 2017, 03:44:37 AM
Marco Silva has come in to 6/4 favourite from 20's with paddy power.

that would be me after lobbing a tonne on
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Macca77 on October 24, 2017, 03:45:53 AM
Fair enough. Your choice would be who?

Ancelotti
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Goaljira on October 24, 2017, 03:46:39 AM
Silvas not leaving Watford after 9 games, and if he did he's a bad shithouse and i don't want him.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Mayor Farnum on October 24, 2017, 03:48:17 AM
Ancelotti

Dream on.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 24, 2017, 03:49:08 AM
Surprised there haven't been a lot more shouts for Eddie Howe.

He's got more potential than Sean Dyche.
He plays a good brand of football.
He's an Evertonian.

Seems the most realistic appointment to me if we're to avoid Unsworth.

Why has he got more potential the dyche?
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Waltzer on October 24, 2017, 03:49:23 AM
Just looking at the odds, wouldn't turn my nose up at Enrique 😀
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: D15TIN on October 24, 2017, 03:49:47 AM
Ancelotti
Wonder if he'd be motivated enough to do it though, would he come in and sort the mess were in, and grind results out? I don't see it.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: GLewis on October 24, 2017, 03:51:05 AM
It’s pretty likely that we’ve decided that we weren’t likely to end up finishing higher than 7th under Koeman by the end of next season, and therefore wasn’t going to be worth the hassle of this season etc.

You don’t sack someone with a decent track record to appoint a manager without one - so that rules out Dyche and Howe.

Allardyce is clearly good for a lower level club but again there’s no bearing to us.

We pay £6m a year - there should be a big list of managers with an appropriate style that’s current and also some sort of track record of relative success at similar level clubs.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: D15TIN on October 24, 2017, 03:51:31 AM
Surprised there haven't been a lot more shouts for Eddie Howe.

He's got more potential than Sean Dyche.
He plays a good brand of football.
He's an Evertonian.

Seems the most realistic appointment to me if we're to avoid Unsworth.
Few similarities to Martinez I think, defences wide open - One of only 2 teams weve beaten this season. Not sure he could go in and have the big players respect
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: D15TIN on October 24, 2017, 03:52:41 AM
It could be a total unknown of course, whose that Shakhtar manager weve been linked with? Every chance it could be him out of nowhere. A risk like.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Waltzer on October 24, 2017, 03:52:52 AM
Why has he got more potential the dyche?
I might be a little harsh but I see Dyche as a younger Joe Kinnear. His tactics are so pre historic it'll never last. It's route 1 at its worst and I would be devastated to win 1 nil every week with 20% possession. Dyche will soon get found out.  Wouldn't be my choice for sure
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Waltzer on October 24, 2017, 03:53:18 AM
It could be a total unknown of course, whose that Shakhtar manager weve been linked with? Every chance it could be him out of nowhere. A risk like.
Fonseca isn't it?
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Macca77 on October 24, 2017, 03:53:31 AM
Dream on.

You don't ask then you don't get, his name should top of the list
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 24, 2017, 03:54:03 AM
Just looking at the odds, wouldn't turn my nose up at Enrique 😀

Think hed be a horrible appointment. Not sure he's very good at all. Him and Mancini would be way down the bottom of my list. 2 managers who are very lucky with the situations they inherited. Crap and would cost a fortune
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: GLewis on October 24, 2017, 03:54:21 AM
I might be a little harsh but I see Dyche as a younger Joe Kinnear. His tactics are so pre historic it'll never last. It's route 1 at its worst and I would be devastated to win 1 nil every week with 20% possession. Dyche will soon get found out.  Wouldn't be my choice for sure
He wouldn’t be a consideration if they hadn’t beaten Chelsea at the start of the season.

It’s the equivalent of picking a manager following cup results...
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Bluedylan on October 24, 2017, 03:54:54 AM
It’s pretty likely that we’ve decided that we weren’t likely to end up finishing higher than 7th under Koeman by the end of next season, and therefore wasn’t going to be worth the hassle of this season etc.

You don’t sack someone with a decent track record to appoint a manager without one - so that rules out Dyche and Howe.

Allardyce is clearly good for a lower level club but again there’s no bearing to us.

We pay £6m a year - there should be a big list of managers with an appropriate style that’s current and also some sort of track record of relative success at similar level clubs.

Welcome back.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Rodenplav64 on October 24, 2017, 03:55:37 AM
Surprised no love for Julian Nagelsman. Wouldn't mind him at all.

Nagelsman was just an Unsworth type before Hoffenheim gave him a chance .
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 24, 2017, 03:57:34 AM
I might be a little harsh but I see Dyche as a younger Joe Kinnear. His tactics are so pre historic it'll never last. It's route 1 at its worst and I would be devastated to win 1 nil every week with 20% possession. Dyche will soon get found out.  Wouldn't be my choice for sure

I just want to win. Would be lovely to play fantastic open football but winning is what's really important

Also do good teams ever really play bad football. Not suggesting we are a good team (we clearly aren't currently) but surely dyche managing a top aide would at worse look something like a mourinho side in terms of style? I think we are way too snobby. I'd take some of the names people seem horrified by.

Rodgers would be near the top of the list if he weren't so embarrassing and didn't have history with Liverpool. He's a very good coach
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 24, 2017, 03:59:04 AM
You don't ask then you don't get, his name should top of the list

How good is he though really. He's managed superstars for a long time. I'd sooner someone up and coming than just a massive name
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: GLewis on October 24, 2017, 03:59:39 AM
Nagelsman was just an Unsworth type before Hoffenheim gave him a chance .

They’re a lot more willing to give young coaches a chance in Germany.

Although they’ve a much stronger history of coaching qualifications etc. which I think provides them with more confidence that they can make the step up.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Bluedylan on October 24, 2017, 03:59:40 AM
It’s pretty likely that we’ve decided that we weren’t likely to end up finishing higher than 7th under Koeman by the end of next season, and therefore wasn’t going to be worth the hassle of this season etc.

You don’t sack someone with a decent track record to appoint a manager without one - so that rules out Dyche and Howe.

Allardyce is clearly good for a lower level club but again there’s no bearing to us.

We pay £6m a year - there should be a big list of managers with an appropriate style that’s current and also some sort of track record of relative success at similar level clubs.

Opinion on Koeman being fired?
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Waltzer on October 24, 2017, 04:02:11 AM
Nagelsman was just an Unsworth type before Hoffenheim gave him a chance .
I get the feeling that moshiri likes the limelight and recruiting Unworth isn't high on the agenda. From his previous statement about appointing Koeman I think he was more worried about having a big name, rather than the right name. This may have changed his mind but I don't think so, we will go for a big name in the game regardless of who is the most suitable candidate.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Mayor Farnum on October 24, 2017, 04:05:05 AM
We're stuck between a rock and a hard place. We haven't got the pull to get a very top manager. So we are trying to weed out a good one from the teams below us. The problem is plenty of managers can get teams promoted and hang around the lower end of the league for a few years before they either get relegated; or if they get their big move usually fail.

It's Eddie Howe and Sean Dyche at the moment, It was Martinez a couple of years ago and before that it was Nigel Person. Statistically it's going to be difficult to find the good one.

The other option is trying to find someone from the continent; but foreigners coming in to the bottom half of the PL have a poor record.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on October 24, 2017, 04:10:14 AM
Still Dyche out in front

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171023/644cb70af76e73582249cf08a3d7b898.jpg)
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: GLewis on October 24, 2017, 04:10:28 AM
Opinion on Koeman being fired?

Given the whole atmosphere and that we’ve got money then I think it was right.

Still think the striker issue took the legs from under his preferred approach but we shouldn’t be woeful by this stage (and 17 games).

Think he expects top level players to be able to “just do” things and doesn’t know how to get his point across.

He’s not useless like some others in that what he wants is generally sound but I noticed a few weeks ago that Keane said he showed him clips of other players bring the ball out from the back but didn’t do too much actual stuff on the training pitch.

I’d imagine others (Pochettino for example) would really drill this into a player.

So I can see why if a player is low on confidence that he’s not actually doing enough to help bring them through. He was top class as a player so it would have been so much easier for him. Maybe he can’t understand why some players can’t, hence the number of changes half to half / game to game. They don’t get it, hook them off etc.

Plus I think it’s hitting Home that I don’t think we’ve had a manager with something that puts us ahead of the curve since Moyes’ first year or the use of 4/5/1 in 2004/05.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Waltzer on October 24, 2017, 04:10:40 AM
I just want to win. Would be lovely to play fantastic open football but winning is what's really important

Also do good teams ever really play bad football. Not suggesting we are a good team (we clearly aren't currently) but surely dyche managing a top aide would at worse look something like a mourinho side in terms of style? I think we are way too snobby. I'd take some of the names people seem horrified by.

Rodgers would be near the top of the list if he weren't so embarrassing and didn't have history with Liverpool. He's a very good coach
I get what you're saying but I just don't see it as a long term solution. as a rule its teams that have the football that'll win in the long run, Dyche approach seems to be keep it tight and hopefully they'll get something. It's a tight margin he plays but to his credit its working this season.
Personally I think its a no brainer to go for Allardyce until the end of the season, no more. It'll ensure were safe while we plan for the next move, we don't need to rush this as our season was done before it started when we didn't get a striker in.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Running Blue on October 24, 2017, 04:10:41 AM
if we got Moyes id kill myself

That strikes you as being a sensible solution?
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: TheRam on October 24, 2017, 04:14:59 AM
I think all these names getting mentioned by the press and bookies are just getting plucked from thin air.

Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: blueski on October 24, 2017, 04:15:16 AM
caretaker manager has probably been decided already at least behind closed doors? have to think there would be an announcement of that first thing tomorrow seeing as there will be a presser for the chelsea game and someone has to go do it
 edit: been announced  - didn't see the twitter post - unsy it is then
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Audrey Horne on October 24, 2017, 04:15:18 AM
That strikes you as being a sensible solution?

Yes
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: TheRam on October 24, 2017, 04:15:22 AM
What about a Tuchel/Rangnick dream team?
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: BlueBeagle on October 24, 2017, 04:18:06 AM
caretaker manager has probably been decided already at least behind closed doors? have to think there would be an announcement of that first thing tomorrow seeing as there will be a presser for the chelsea game and someone has to go do it
 edit: been announced  - didn't see the twitter post - unsy it is then

Already said it's Unsworth
Edit: Didn't see your edit!
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: blueski on October 24, 2017, 04:19:12 AM
Already said it's Unsworth
Edit: Didn't see your edit!
yep

hope he does well
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 24, 2017, 04:19:40 AM
I think all these names getting mentioned by the press and bookies are just getting plucked from thin air.



Can't read anything into the bookies odds. It's just a list of any old shite someone might be daft enough to waste money on. The bookies know fuck all and are terrified that someone out there already knows the outcome. 10 50 quid bets and we could make any of them go odds on
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Waltzer on October 24, 2017, 04:22:44 AM
What's Klinsman up to, his names usually rolled out at some point?
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Bluedylan on October 24, 2017, 04:29:12 AM
Unsworth wants it long-term according to Andy Hunter:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/oct/23/ronald-koeman-sacked-everton-manager
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: TheRam on October 24, 2017, 04:32:01 AM
Unsworth wants it long-term according to Andy Hunter:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/oct/23/ronald-koeman-sacked-everton-manager

I'm happy that he's got a genuine chance now to show what he's got.

Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Mayor Farnum on October 24, 2017, 04:32:34 AM
There have been plenty of caretaker managers that have got an initial boost out of the team but it tends to go pear shaped when they get the job full time. Anyone know of a caretaker manager that has got the job and gone on to great things?
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Waltzer on October 24, 2017, 04:35:23 AM
I'm happy that he's got a genuine chance now to show what he's got.
I'd like nothing more than for Unworth to do well and be a huge success, but I'm trying to recall has they're ever been an interim manager that's come in and been a success, long term? Probably has, but I'm struggling to think of any.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Waltzer on October 24, 2017, 04:36:05 AM
There have been plenty of caretaker managers that have got an initial boost out of the team but it tends to go pear shaped when they get the job full time. Anyone know of a caretaker manager that has got the job and gone on to great things?
Ha, Just beat me to it!
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on October 24, 2017, 04:40:28 AM
That's the beauty of the Unsworth appointment tbh. It gives us a chance to evaluate him as a manager.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: blueski on October 24, 2017, 04:40:44 AM
There have been plenty of caretaker managers that have got an initial boost out of the team but it tends to go pear shaped when they get the job full time. Anyone know of a caretaker manager that has got the job and gone on to great things?
seems natural, the initial boost and inevitable fall off

the players will feel badly and also know the replacement manager candidates will be watching matches closely meaning they could play themselves into the team or into the squad or out the door over the next few weeks

regardless the caretaker manager spot seems likely to land Unsy a job somewhere regardless of how it goes I'd think

Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Major Clanger on October 24, 2017, 04:45:34 AM
I'd like nothing more than for Unworth to do well and be a huge success, but I'm trying to recall has they're ever been an interim manager that's come in and been a success, long term? Probably has, but I'm struggling to think of any.

If you mean caretaker in the most literal sense, then no. They are by definition a stop-gap, appointed for their reputation as a safe pair of hands but nothing more. Those who go on to do great things like Mourinho or Klopp were never called caretaker to start with, they were wild punts with high hopes pinned on them.

I sometimes wonder how much a manager's early career is determined by these differences in wording and expectations.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: trueevertonianpaul on October 24, 2017, 04:47:45 AM
Ancelotti would be fantastic but ok( koeman) realistically I would be happy with Silva
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: TheRam on October 24, 2017, 05:02:08 AM
I think we could tempt Silva.

He's on a two year deal at a club notorious for changing managers.

If we were to offer him a four year deal on a lot more than he's on at Watford I think he'll jump at that.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Normm on October 24, 2017, 05:15:24 AM
There have been plenty of caretaker managers that have got an initial boost out of the team but it tends to go pear shaped when they get the job full time. Anyone know of a caretaker manager that has got the job and gone on to great things?

Although as a blue I hate to say it, but yes: Paisley, Fagan, Dalglish - promotion from within. That was Liverpool's best spell.

When the backroom staff have the talent, promote from within. Everton could have coached Kendall to take over the squad. Thankfully, he came back.

Unsworth is the obvious choice and deserves the chance.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Tony Clifton on October 24, 2017, 05:25:38 AM
I'm burnt out and paranoid after Martinez and Koeman, can't see the wood for the trees and all that. 

Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Tony Clifton on October 24, 2017, 05:51:14 AM
Although as a blue I hate to say it, but yes: Paisley, Fagan, Dalglish - promotion from within. That was Liverpool's best spell.

When the backroom staff have the talent, promote from within. Everton could have coached Kendall to take over the squad. Thankfully, he came back.

Unsworth is the obvious choice and deserves the chance.

Kendall and Dalglish - both player-managers.  Back when clubs just got on with it without so much fucking drama and microscopes! 

Now, imagine one of our older heads - Rooney, Jagielka, Baines - just being asked the question!   Baines would probably have a panic attack and soil himself on the spot, Jagielka would talk himself out of it - fast - and, Rooney would probably think it was a good idea, but, he'd develop a stutter mid-"errrrrm", having second thoughts as the press went neanderthal.

This is modern football.  Massive babies and egos everywhere.  Not just players either, as we've just experienced.

So yeah, leaning towards keeping it in the family myself. 

Here's our man:

(http://i4.liverpoolecho.co.uk/incoming/article8959783.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/jimmy1.jpg)

;D
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Ridge on October 24, 2017, 07:17:45 AM
Most assistant managers have shown they can't go from being a number 2. Shakespeare, Phelan, and plenty of others have not made a success of a switch from the shadows, to the spotlight and the buttons. Appointments like Alan Shearer were not serious, he didn't have more than coaching experience.

No manager is really a long term appointment these days and there are no guarantees of success. Plenty of other teams abroad have to not just recruit from their countrymen, but develop their own managers. But we've not had a quality young manager waiting in the wings before and while it's not really common for PL, it's quite successful elsewhere.

Unsworth has very impressive managerial experience, albeit with under 23s and a cameo with first team. But he's 7 years in coaching and 3 of those as a manager and under several managers and styles. Moyes, Martinez, Koeman all came with something different he learned from, but none of them played for the club or started with a deep understanding.

It's not always the best players who make the best managers Wenger, Ferguson, Mourinho etc. Guardiola came through youth team, Zidane too, Martinez, Howe, took over at familiar club, even Koeman was most successful at Ajax. The average age of managers in the Bundesliga is probably 12 by now. Maybe other PL clubs might be missing a trick by buying off the peg, rather than developing in house with intent.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Buck76 on October 24, 2017, 08:41:05 AM
I think we could tempt Silva.

He's on a two year deal at a club notorious for changing managers.

If we were to offer him a four year deal on a lot more than he's on at Watford I think he'll jump at that.

He would be my first choice, just think he'll be loyal to Watford till the end of the season at least as they've invested in him well and don't think he'll bin them off that easily....



Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Confucius on October 24, 2017, 09:51:41 AM
There have been plenty of caretaker managers that have got an initial boost out of the team but it tends to go pear shaped when they get the job full time. Anyone know of a caretaker manager that has got the job and gone on to great things?

Di Matteo won the Champions League as care taker.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on October 24, 2017, 11:35:45 AM
That's the beauty of the Unsworth appointment tbh. It gives us a chance to evaluate him as a manager.
Shame he hasn’t got an easier run - or a home game at least
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on October 24, 2017, 11:52:19 AM
Looks like ourselves, Leicester and even West Ham are in the market for a manager, all from a limited pool of willing/available ones - will be interesting to see who gets it right.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: GLewis on October 24, 2017, 11:52:24 AM
I think we could tempt Silva.

He's on a two year deal at a club notorious for changing managers.

If we were to offer him a four year deal on a lot more than he's on at Watford I think he'll jump at that.

Don’t think I want to be offering 4 year deals until we know that we’ve got a really good manager / fit.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Waltzer on October 24, 2017, 01:47:41 PM
Happy with this if true, id rather set our sights high and get knocked back rather than not bothering to try.

According to a report from the Daily Mirror, Everton have made former Borussia Dortmund boss Thomas Tuchel their number one target as they look to try and replace Ronald Koeman.

Koeman was sacked by the Toffees on Monday one day after their heavy 5-2 defeat to Arsenal which saw them fall into the relegation zone in the Premier League after just two wins and five defeats in their opening nine league games of the season.

The Mirror reports that under-23 boss David Unsworth will now take control of the team for their Carabao Cup tie with Chelsea this week, but the man they seemingly want long-term is one currently looking to get back into the game after leaving the Westfalenstadion in the summer.

The Mirror suggests that Tuchel is the first-choice target for the Goodison Park hierarchy, but he is also being considered by Bayern Munich, while the Toffees are also looking at the likes of Carlo Ancelotti, Sean Dyche and Marco Silva.

Tuchel did a tremendous job at Dortmund picking up the pieces following Jurgen Klopp's disappointing final season with the club.

The 44-year-old inspired the side to second in the Bundesliga in his second campaign, while they also won the German Cup and reached the quarter-finals of the Champions League, so it is arguably not that surprising to see that Farhad Moshiri and Bill Kenwright seem to be admirers of the German.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Sir Stealth on October 24, 2017, 01:49:52 PM
Good to see that Unsworth does have ambitions to be our manager long term. It's a great opportunity for him. Straight away there will be a better atmosphere around the place

He genuinely loves the club, I just hope that if it doesn't work out for him that he is retained and works again with the youth players rather than getting turfed out

Makes me feel old seeing a player that I remember breaking through into the first team as a player now becoming our manager!

Come on Unsy, do us proud
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Waltzer on October 24, 2017, 01:54:57 PM
Good to see that Unsworth does have ambitions to be our manager long term. It's a great opportunity for him. Straight away there will be a better atmosphere around the place

He genuinely loves the club, I just hope that if it doesn't work out for him that he is retained and works again with the youth players rather than getting turfed out

Makes me feel old seeing a player that I remember breaking through into the first team as a player now becoming our manager!

Come on Unsy, do us proud

This is a genuine question as ive never watched the under 23's play but is he tactically aware, making relevant changes etc to influence the game or has he just been blessed with a squad full of decent under 23 players that arent quite good enough for first team action, meaning we have the strongest u23 team in the league?
Ive seen the results on paper but its hard to assess how good he is/could be
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Ramjam on October 24, 2017, 02:02:34 PM
This is a genuine question as ive never watched the under 23's play but is he tactically aware, making relevant changes etc to influence the game or has he just been blessed with a squad full of decent under 23 players that arent quite good enough for first team action, meaning we have the strongest u23 team in the league?
Ive seen the results on paper but its hard to assess how good he is/could be

Well Let’s put it like this, he can’t be any more tactically inept than Koeman so I would say that he would be well enough qualified to make changes that are no worse than the dick head we’ve just fired.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Waltzer on October 24, 2017, 02:06:09 PM
Well Let’s put it like this, he can’t be any more tactically inept than Koeman so I would say that he would be well enough qualified to make changes that are no worse than the dick head we’ve just fired.

Thank you for the valuable insight into his style and capabilities, I feel truly enlightened!!
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: brap2 on October 24, 2017, 02:08:58 PM
This is a genuine question as ive never watched the under 23's play but is he tactically aware, making relevant changes etc to influence the game or has he just been blessed with a squad full of decent under 23 players that arent quite good enough for first team action, meaning we have the strongest u23 team in the league?
Ive seen the results on paper but its hard to assess how good he is/could be

I would be absolutely blown away if anyone had any idea.

We have probably the biggest budget plus finch farm is flying at the minute in terms of producing talent, even for our standards.

I hope he does really well and smashes it and goes on to be our manager but aside from just having the best team in his league I don't know anything about his 'managerial style', because he's a youth coach and that's what youth football in England is like.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Ramjam on October 24, 2017, 02:10:59 PM
Thank you for the valuable insight into his style and capabilities, I feel truly enlightened!!

Your welcome but Stevie Wonder could see that anyone with an ounce of football knowledge wouldn’t be any worse than Koeman
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Waltzer on October 24, 2017, 02:12:38 PM
I would be absolutely blown away if anyone had any idea.

We have probably the biggest budget plus finch farm is flying at the minute in terms of producing talent, even for our standards.

I hope he does really well and smashes it and goes on to be our manager but aside from just having the best team in his league I don't know anything about his 'managerial style', because he's a youth coach and that's what youth football in England is like.

Cheers, thats kinda what I thought. I just find it interesting to understand if there is a 'club vision', are we trying to implement similar styles/philosophy throughout the club allowing players to integrate easier etc, or is it a complete change of direction with Unsworth coming in, even if it is only on an interim basis at the moment.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Sir Stealth on October 24, 2017, 02:14:25 PM
Thank you for the valuable insight into his style and capabilities, I feel truly enlightened!!

I'm really not sure to be honest. Just going on prolonged good performance that the u23 squad has had with him in charge and how well players that he has managed have performed. Has worked with Davies, Kenny, Holgate, Calvert-Lewin etc as they have broke into the first team as well as helping coach loads of players to the various age groups of national squads as well

Short but sweet but his match in charge against Norwich immediately brought a positive result and performance where we dominated from the off, admittedly under favourable circumstances as they were an already relegated side and players and fans were clearly glad to be shut of the old regime

If it is just a 4 game stop gap then he's the best candidate for it, if he manages to buy extra time in the job by getting good results and performances then fair play to him

Other than assuming he is a good man manager as he is clearly an all round good egg, I'm not sure what his managerial style is to be honest with you 👍
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Jimmywhack on October 24, 2017, 02:15:42 PM
Cheers, thats kinda what I thought. I just find it interesting to understand if there is a 'club vision', are we trying to implement similar styles/philosophy throughout the club allowing players to integrate easier etc, or is it a complete change of direction with Unsworth coming in, even if it is only on an interim basis at the moment.
He seems to play 4231 a lot, whether that's cos that's what the first has played for a few seasons or not is anyone's guess
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Paddockoldie on October 24, 2017, 02:23:48 PM
Thank you for the valuable insight into his style and capabilities, I feel truly enlightened!!

Reading the article on him the other week, he's known for studying the opponents and formulating a plan to beat them and working on the plan all week. His team play high tempo and press. He's got to be given a chance and I think he'll surprise us.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: TheTone on October 24, 2017, 02:26:39 PM
be nice to have a manager who says 'We' as opposed to 'Everton' in post match interviews etc
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Ramjam on October 24, 2017, 02:27:40 PM
Pauli Bento the Portuguese coach getting tipped on Facebook at the minute
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: DanDan on October 24, 2017, 03:15:21 PM
FFS

Breaking News on BBC

PHIL NEVILLE Interested in Everton job
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Macca77 on October 24, 2017, 03:16:13 PM
Hahahah fuck off fizer
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Ramjam on October 24, 2017, 03:19:39 PM
FFS

Breaking News on BBC

PHIL NEVILLE Interested in Everton job

Get me a fuckin rope
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Ramjam on October 24, 2017, 03:24:39 PM
So if Unsey isn’t qualified enough for the job in some people’s eyes how could chisel chin be up for it
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: BlueForYou on October 24, 2017, 03:26:03 PM
Let's be brutally frank, this manager-go-round is a bit of a lucky dip - or in our case, unlucky dip

Wouldn't be against Tuchel on an 18 month contract - worth a shot as he is without a club

Even the top managers would probably split us -

Klopp & Wenger - no

Mourinho & Conte - maybe

Guardiola & Pochettino - yes

Take your pick on the rest - over to you, Farhad

Phil Neville? Take advice from your brother "I'll never manage again"
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Brownie20 on October 24, 2017, 03:32:25 PM
Kendall and Dalglish - both player-managers.  Back when clubs just got on with it without so much fucking drama and microscopes! 

Now, imagine one of our older heads - Rooney, Jagielka, Baines - just being asked the question!   Baines would probably have a panic attack and soil himself on the spot, Jagielka would talk himself out of it - fast - and, Rooney would probably think it was a good idea, but, he'd develop a stutter mid-"errrrrm", having second thoughts as the press went neanderthal.

This is modern football.  Massive babies and egos everywhere.  Not just players either, as we've just experienced.

So yeah, leaning towards keeping it in the family myself. 

Here's our man:

(http://i4.liverpoolecho.co.uk/incoming/article8959783.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/jimmy1.jpg)

;D


I'd be more inclined to ask Jimmy Martin the secret of eternal youth - the man hasn't changed in the 30 years I've been watching us
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Brownie20 on October 24, 2017, 03:37:16 PM
FFS

Breaking News on BBC

PHIL NEVILLE Interested in Everton job

Breaking news on NSNO

Fuck off Phil 😘
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Toffee1 on October 24, 2017, 03:47:05 PM
I'd be more inclined to ask Jimmy Martin the secret of eternal youth - the man hasn't changed in the 30 years I've been watching us

He looks a bit like Bob Wilson there.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Brownie20 on October 24, 2017, 03:48:09 PM
He looks a bit like Bob Wilson there.

Ever seen them in the same room together?
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: hill135 on October 24, 2017, 03:48:31 PM
Various reports of Ancelotti, Tuchel and Dyche being our top targets.

I think Dyche would be a really parochial, boring, mediocre appointment. He's done pretty well but ultimately managers have their methods and those methods only take them so far. Dyche's dare I say negative football is good for a team hoping to stay in the league but he'd never in a million years take us in to the top six.

We need the next Pochettino: some young up-and-coming manager with a fresh approach who no fucker's heard of to get closer to our rivals. Dunno who that is mind.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Brownie20 on October 24, 2017, 03:53:19 PM
Where's the Lucien Favre shouts? There's usually a few on here for him. This is where I show my lack of knowledge outside of Everton - someone's going to tell me he's at a top European club now
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Toffee1 on October 24, 2017, 03:54:48 PM
Where's the Lucien Favre shouts? There's usually a few on here for him. This is where I show my lack of knowledge outside of Everton - someone's going to tell me he's at a top European club now

Currently manager of Nice dealing with Ballotelli.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Escla on October 24, 2017, 03:57:05 PM
Various reports of Ancelotti, Tuchel and Dyche being our top targets.

I think Dyche would be a really parochial, boring, mediocre appointment. He's done pretty well but ultimately managers have their methods and those methods only take them so far. Dyche's dare I say negative football is good for a team hoping to stay in the league but he'd never in a million years take us in to the top six.

We need the next Pochettino: some young up-and-coming manager with a fresh approach who no fucker's heard of to get closer to our rivals. Dunno who that is mind.

Agree with all of that but how long before you change that avatar  :smug:
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Paddockoldie on October 24, 2017, 03:57:29 PM
If, and I mean if according to some on here we're at risk of relegation, can we afford to go for a promising unknown? Tuchel has a decent reputation but I remember Martinez was touted as one of the exciting managers, based on his efforts with Wigan... won a cup and went down. We need to make sure we're not some promising guys failed experiment... just saying
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: boothill on October 24, 2017, 03:59:39 PM
And mike parry as press officer
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: hill135 on October 24, 2017, 04:03:17 PM
Agree with all of that but how long before you change that avatar  :smug:

Haha cos I turn them off I forgot mine was Ron holding the shirt. Better get a new one quick.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: boothill on October 24, 2017, 04:03:24 PM
And mike parry as press officer
That was meant to be attached to a joey barton post
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on October 24, 2017, 04:04:36 PM
I'm a bit wary of signing of signing Tuchel, he's won nothing and guided Germany's second best team to 2nd and 3rd positions in the league. He seems to be dining out on getting Dortmund to the quarter finals of the CL, other than that I really can't see why he's so special?

A lot of our fans calling for him is reminding me of when everyone suddenly thought Sandro was going to be signing of the season, without actually knowing much about him.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: BlueForYou on October 24, 2017, 04:13:05 PM
I'm wary too - but that goes for most of them!
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: montanatoffeefan on October 24, 2017, 04:13:50 PM
Your welcome but Stevie Wonder could see that anyone with an ounce of football knowledge wouldn’t be any worse than Koeman

You may find you're wrong if the bastard who voted for Chris Coleman gets his way.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: BlueForYou on October 24, 2017, 04:17:04 PM
Not me!

I voted for AN Other - and it's not Dyche

Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Ross on October 24, 2017, 04:17:44 PM
Jim White really pushing for Sean Dyche.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: MrWhite on October 24, 2017, 04:17:53 PM
FFS

Breaking News on BBC

PHIL NEVILLE Interested in Everton job
He can just fuck the fuck off. Deserves a slap for even considering thinking about the idea.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: BlueForYou on October 24, 2017, 04:20:08 PM
I think Dixons Dyche will be offered it

Love that!

(Dixons, I mean)
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: BlueNoseMike on October 24, 2017, 04:23:22 PM
I'm a bit wary of signing of signing Tuchel, he's won nothing and guided Germany's second best team to 2nd and 3rd positions in the league. He seems to be dining out on getting Dortmund to the quarter finals of the CL, other than that I really can't see why he's so special?

A lot of our fans calling for him is reminding me of when everyone suddenly thought Sandro was going to be signing of the season, without actually knowing much about him.

I've said that to my mates, one of whom is a big bundesliga buff. He's basically been par for the course hasn't he?

Plus think of the shit we'd get from the kopites if we signed Tuchel (or even Wagner who is doing a good job). They'd be saying we've got the shit version of Klopp and everything :(


To be fair to Tuchel he did win the German cup like
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: pjk on October 24, 2017, 04:24:15 PM
He can just fuck the fuck off. Deserves a slap for even considering thinking about the idea.



This footballing fraternity is so far up their own arse it's untrue. Hahaha! Phil Neville. ::)
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Lxxx on October 24, 2017, 04:31:15 PM
I've said that to my mates, one of whom is a big bundesliga buff. He's basically been par for the course hasn't he?

Plus think of the shit we'd get from the kopites if we signed Tuchel (or even Wagner who is doing a good job). They'd be saying we've got the shit version of Klopp and everything :(


To be fair to Tuchel he did win the German cup like

So did a certain Spaniard in this country.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Macca77 on October 24, 2017, 04:32:15 PM
Dyche is "keen" according to reports in some papers
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Jamokachi on October 24, 2017, 04:34:38 PM
Massively underwhelmed by the Dyche shouts.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: BlueForYou on October 24, 2017, 04:37:24 PM
I think Dyche will be keen

Or should that be Keane

I'm underwhelmed, too
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Bluedylan on October 24, 2017, 04:37:54 PM
Not just BVB though. Tuchel at Mainz:

He was named as the new head coach of 1. FSV Mainz 05 on 3 August 2009, after the club was promoted to the Bundesliga.[4] He had been a youth team coach for Mainz for the previous 12 months.[5] He signed a two-year contract after being promoted to that position from the 1. FSV Mainz 05 Under 19 side.[4]

In the 2010–11 season, Tuchel coached Mainz to seven wins in their first seven games, including an away victory over Bayern Munich. The team finished fifth in the rankings.[6] Schalke 04 and Bayer Leverkusen both made approaches for Tuchel in the latter–half of the 2013–14 season.[7] Tuchel led Mainz to a 2014–15 UEFA Europa League spot during the 2013–14 season[8] after finishing the season in seventh place.[9] Tuchel asked to be released from his contract prematurely.[10] Tuchel left the position of head coach on 11 May 2014.[7] However, Mainz refused to release him from his contract. He finished his Mainz career with a record of 72 wins, 46 draws, and 64 losses.[11] Tuchel later said of his decision to leave the club: "I couldn’t see how we could reinvent ourselves once more the coming summer."
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: BlueNoseMike on October 24, 2017, 04:38:11 PM
So did a certain Spaniard in this country.

yeah true, I wasn't advocating Tuchel, just I was replying to the comment that he'd won nothing in his career.

I actually think Tuchel has done the bare minimum expected really hasn't he with that team?
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: everton1952 on October 24, 2017, 04:50:58 PM
Exactly who will have to make the big decision at Everton to choose the next manager?  Apart from Koeman, Moshiri must hold somebody else to blame for the shambolic transfer window and the waste of nearly £60m of his money. If it falls on an ailing Kenwright to decide on the next manager, I hope he is up to making a decision which could break us or make us. As an aside, a friend in Amsterdam says the Dutch media expect Koeman to spread the blame for the debacle at Everton, when he writes his next football column.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: BlueForYou on October 24, 2017, 04:54:29 PM
No doubt - Koeman won't have a good word to say about the club
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Macca77 on October 24, 2017, 04:55:06 PM
Kenwright and some senior players want Unsworth
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: BlueForYou on October 24, 2017, 04:57:25 PM
Unsworth, Ebbrell and Ferguson

All ex team-mates
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: BlueBeagle on October 24, 2017, 04:58:13 PM
Moshiri must hold somebody else to blame for the shambolic transfer window and the waste of nearly £60m of his money.

It's not Moshiris money that was spent.

Let's stick to the facts.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Lxxx on October 24, 2017, 05:01:33 PM
yeah true, I wasn't advocating Tuchel, just I was replying to the comment that he'd won nothing in his career.

I actually think Tuchel has done the bare minimum expected really hasn't he with that team?

True. Guiding Dortmund to second isn't really an indicator of greatness but we're not in that market. The next manager will be hired on his interview in my opinion. We're not attractive to tier one managers so the next boss will have to come with a vision of what he wants to build and show the enthusiasm for it to back up his CV.

Martinez totally bamboozled and schmoozed Kenwright until he was creaming without someone to the side of him noticing he was a bit detached from reality and reigned him back in.
Koeman didn't really need to do anything to impress in an interview, Moshiri chased and offered him the role based on his name.

This is a big job paying big money and if it was a similar level in the  corporate world you'd have a selection panel so it wasn't down to just the whim of one man. This is what is needed now. Kenwright, Moshiri, his right hand man and even Walsh need to be involved in this one so we've tried to cover all bases and get four opinions instead of just one.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: pjk on October 24, 2017, 05:02:33 PM
As a lifelong blue, Koemans opinion, as a failed ex Everton manager goes, is no longer relevant to me. As a footballer, he was out of this world and that deserves respect. Other than that, everything he says about Everton from now on will hold little relevance to me, personally. It shouldn't worry anyone else who knows this club like the supporters do, inside and out. :)
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: hill135 on October 24, 2017, 05:03:14 PM
Manuel Pellegrini on the list according to Sky  :titanic:
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: everton1952 on October 24, 2017, 05:04:48 PM
What facts are those you are sticking to? Surely you don't believe Koeman when he said loads of money went out and loads came in so we actually spent very little (or his words to that effect)?
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Jimmywhack on October 24, 2017, 05:06:10 PM
Tony Bellew is 500/1
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on October 24, 2017, 05:11:36 PM
Kenwright and some senior players want Unsworth
Of course they do - they can get back in their comfort zone with one of their mates.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Smingers on October 24, 2017, 05:12:17 PM
I read Walter mazzarri as Walter Smith for some reason :-s Bad times
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Waltzer on October 24, 2017, 05:14:23 PM
No doubt - Koeman won't have a good word to say about the club
Or not.....

Sacked Everton manager Ronald Koeman is disappointed to have lost his job but was grateful for the chance to take charge of a "great club".

The Dutchman was relieved of his duties on Monday after the 5-2 home defeat to Arsenal dropped the club into the Premier League's bottom three and made it just two wins in 13 matches.

Under-23s boss David Unsworth has been placed in temporary charge and will lead the side in their Carbao Cup tie at Chelsea on Wednesday.
"I would like to place on record my thanks to the players and staff for all their work and commitment during my 16 months as Everton manager," Koeman wrote on Twitter.

"I would like to thank (chairman) Bill Kenwright, (major shareholder ) Farhad Moshiri and the Everton Board for the opportunity to have managed a great club, and to the fans as well for their passionate support for the club.

"Naturally I am disappointed at this moment but I wish the team good luck in the future."
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Smingers on October 24, 2017, 05:19:33 PM
Everton: Phil Neville interested in manager's job after Ronald Koeman's sacking - http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/41733364

?

No thanks
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: BlueForYou on October 24, 2017, 05:20:04 PM
Very gracious, Ronald - top man

I'm disappointed, too

150/1 we get him back!
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Bluedylan on October 24, 2017, 05:26:07 PM
I think it's a little dismissive to have Tuchel down as Martinez mark 2. He's managed at a bigger club than ours, in the Cl and El, earned his chance by massively overachieving at a very small club. He also plays pressing, attacking football and has a very clear footballing identity. Whether we could get him I don't know but I'd have him well above people like Dyche and Howe.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: burkey17 on October 24, 2017, 05:34:28 PM
My early opinion is the 'pragmatic' Evertonwill go for Dyche. The 'gambling' Everton will go for Silva. The 'forward thinking' Everton will go for Tuchel. Don't think Tuchel would come. I think he has bigger ambitions- Bayern Munich or maybe next Chelsea Manager. I think the other 2 would. Cannot think realistically of anyone else.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Waltzer on October 24, 2017, 05:35:38 PM
I think it's a little dismissive to have Tuchel down as Martinez mark 2. He's managed at a bigger club than ours, in the Cl and El, earned his chance by massively overachieving at a very small club. He also plays pressing, attacking football and has a very clear footballing identity. Whether we could get him I don't know but I'd have him well above people like Dyche and Howe.

I agree, and although I hate myself for saying this but I think we need to get an identity as a club. Our managerial appointments are so hap hazard I dont think it helps one bit with the continuity within the squad, take our last 3 for instance. We went from Moyes, who was pretty direct in his approach to Martinez who was the polar opposite, we had a big turn over of players only then to sack him and go for someone whose methods were the complete opposite again. The point im making is that as a club I dont think we could go for a manager like Tuchel and expect results, as much as it pains me he'd probably walk into Liverpool and hit the ground running as the team is moulded in that style, i cant see our current squad adapting that easily to someone as expansive. I think we need to have a strategic overhaul with a clear vision highlighting where we want to be in 6/7/8 years time and build towards it.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: School of Science on October 24, 2017, 05:49:23 PM
I voted Tuchel, but doubt he'd come here, if not Dyche safe pair of hands we are in a mess. I know we desperately need a proven number nine, but one massive miss this year has been Coleman, think he would improve our defence so much.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Audrey Horne on October 24, 2017, 05:50:45 PM
Pretty gutted that Dyche seems to be in front...
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Lazarou on October 24, 2017, 05:51:21 PM
Do we get a manger to suit the squad or a manager that will then need to assemble a squad. Suppose it all comes down to how deep Moshiri's pockets are, because if it is someone like Tuchel he will need to do a massive overhaul of the squad.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Ramjam on October 24, 2017, 05:52:50 PM
Do we get a manger to suit the squad or a manager that will then need to assemble a squad. Suppose it all comes down to how deep Moshiri's pockets are, because if it is someone like Tuchel he will need to do a massive overhaul of the squad.

I wonder if Sundered would like our rejects?
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Waltzer on October 24, 2017, 05:59:27 PM
Do we get a manger to suit the squad or a manager that will then need to assemble a squad. Suppose it all comes down to how deep Moshiri's pockets are, because if it is someone like Tuchel he will need to do a massive overhaul of the squad.

Thats the big question for Moshiri, it isnt that easy though is it as I doubt many of the summer recruits would fit and we've got little to no chance of recouping what we paid. Plus the likes of Sig have been taken out of the reach of most teams now with wages alone, its a big call. I could see Ancelotti working with this squad, admittedly he's need to add, but I dont see it as being as big a job than if Tuchel came in
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: GLewis on October 24, 2017, 06:01:06 PM
Dyche simply should not be a consideration.

He plays defensive and generally very direct football up to at least one big central striker. Which we don’t have.

It would be a very poorly conceived appointment based on a few weeks positive press.

How many managers have come and gone like that over the years? Countless almost.

Tuchel, for example, isn’t some mad proponent of wide open football so I also don’t see why he’d be completely incompatible to the current squad.

We have players that work hard as I think Koeman wanted an aggressive pressing game he just didn’t know how to get it out of the players.

Someone who does know how to do it (mainly by spending more time on the training ground, I’d imagine) will be able to get a functioning approach out of this squad.

Not all managers play with big central strikers, so someone with the tactical ability to come up with a formation / selection that gets round that to an extent will also be able to do more.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Lazarou on October 24, 2017, 06:05:57 PM
Thats the big question for Moshiri, it isnt that easy though is it as I doubt many of the summer recruits would fit and we've got little to no chance of recouping what we paid. Plus the likes of Sig have been taken out of the reach of most teams now with wages alone, its a big call. I could see Ancelotti working with this squad, admittedly he's need to add, but I dont see it as being as big a job than if Tuchel came in

I don't even know what we were trying to do style wise with what we brought in under Koeman. It's a complete shot in the dark. January is nigh on impossible to prise quality players away from other teams so we are looking at next summer before we can realistically overhaul things.

It's a complete mess really. Maybe Unsworth is the answer get some of the youngsters in and try a get some sort of style but that would probably leave £100 million on the sidelines at least.

Coleman and Bolasie back would probably make things easier for someone trying to press higher and up the tempo. But the likes of Baines, Klaassen, Rooney maybe even Sandro would probably struggle.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: blargins on October 24, 2017, 06:06:22 PM
Do we really need a big overhaul of playing staff though? I think we need to add to what we have. For years we've dreamt of a big squad to challenge on several fronts. Well, we have the attacking midfield sorted, we just need a quality striker, pacey winger, new left back and centre back to compliment what we have.

Hopefully with a bit more balance in the side, the likes of Gana and Schneiderlin can get back to their better form and we can push on.

It will still take time to gel the team but if we have a manager who settles everything down, then the future might not be as bleak as everyone's making out.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Lazarou on October 24, 2017, 06:09:12 PM
Do we really need a big overhaul of playing staff though? I think we need to add to what we have. For years we've dreamt of a big squad to challenge on several fronts. Well, we have the attacking midfield sorted, we just need a quality striker, pacey winger, new left back and centre back to compliment what we have.

Hopefully with a bit more balance in the side, the likes of Gana and Schneiderlin can get back to their better form and we can push on.

It will still take time to gel the team but if we have a manager who settles everything down, then the future might not be as bleak as everyone's making out.

Depends what style the new man wants to play? I am not sure what we were going for with what we brought in.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: blargins on October 24, 2017, 06:10:40 PM
Depends what style the new man wants to play? I am not sure what we were going for with what we brought in.

I think had we replaced Lukaku, we might not be as in bad shape as we are. Maybe not the top, but certainly not in the bottom.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Rhys on October 24, 2017, 06:12:11 PM
I'm a bit wary of signing of signing Tuchel, he's won nothing and guided Germany's second best team to 2nd and 3rd positions in the league. He seems to be dining out on getting Dortmund to the quarter finals of the CL, other than that I really can't see why he's so special?

A lot of our fans calling for him is reminding me of when everyone suddenly thought Sandro was going to be signing of the season, without actually knowing much about him.

He won the German Cup last season...

Yes they were the second best team so can't look and think did brilliantly, but he was competing against a Bayern team in his first year who breaking records around points and size of wins etc. He got 78 points in his first season which was more than the total when Klopp first won the league at Dortmund and would have won the league both seasons Dortmund won it under Klopp. Yes he took over a team in a better position than Klopp but it was a lot harder competition with where Pep had got Bayern and the number of points they gained.

Last season their level did drop for sure but he is someone that his record in his career so far is very good. He took over a newly promoted team at Mainz and in his time there qualified for Europe twice, finished 5th as a highest position. Earnt the second best job in Germany they were very good in his first season and were pushing bayern for the title until the final few weeks and his record finished 2nd first season and lost on penalties in the German cup final to Bayern then 3rd the next and won the cup.

How his ideas translate into England can't be answered but his career record is good, his teams have been attacking and scored a lot of goals and everything that has been written about him has always talked about how he always had a very big focus on becoming a top coach. If he was interested which I still doubt, I would be very disappointed if he wasnt one of the leading candidates.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: blargins on October 24, 2017, 06:14:23 PM
Does he speak English?
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Rhys on October 24, 2017, 06:20:21 PM
Does he speak English?

Yes he does.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: blargins on October 24, 2017, 06:20:55 PM
Yes he does.

Sehr gut.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: everton1952 on October 24, 2017, 06:21:43 PM
If we do get a top manager in, there is bound to be an overhaul and not just of the playing staff. Pep G from City could not make this lopsided squad perform, never mind Koeman.  Walsh might also get his P45 for being partly responsible for the shambles of a squad that the hapless Koeman was left to manage. 
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Lazarou on October 24, 2017, 06:28:43 PM
If we do get a top manager in, there is bound to be an overhaul and not just of the playing staff. Pep G from City could not make this lopsided squad perform, never mind Koeman.  Walsh might also get his P45 for being partly responsible for the shambles of a squad that the hapless Koeman was left to manage.

Yeah I was just thinking about City. Took the messiah a season to get the players in he needed/wanted to fit his style.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: cantoffee on October 24, 2017, 06:29:13 PM
Dyche reminds me of Paul Lambert from a few years back.

Organised teams who sit deep and play long diagonals can only go so far.

Dyche was on the verge of relegating Burnley last year. He's had a good start to the year and if he were to do well this year I could understand him getting a better job but he's not proven himself yet and certainly not shown anything to suggest he could take us up a level or two that we need.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: BlueNoseMike on October 24, 2017, 06:30:34 PM
Yeah Walsh should at least be getting dragged into the big man's office and being told to buck his ideas up. Although how much of a say did he have on some of our main targets? I guess we won't know

Remember when we all thought we were gonna get Emery and Monchi? How class would that have been? Monchi at Roma too so he was surely gettable
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on October 24, 2017, 06:33:45 PM
Pretty gutted that Dyche seems to be in front...

Ask yourself, can you really see Moshiri going for Dyche.

We know he went all out for Koeman but that's the fan boy in him. Its a big game to him.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 24, 2017, 06:36:21 PM
Dyche reminds me of Paul Lambert from a few years back.

Organised teams who sit deep and play long diagonals can only go so far.

Dyche was on the verge of relegating Burnley last year. He's had a good start to the year and if he were to do well this year I could understand him getting a better job but he's not proven himself yet and certainly not shown anything to suggest he could take us up a level or two that we need.

Burnley were favourites to go down and were never on the verge of it. That's a success
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Hawkandro on October 24, 2017, 06:42:03 PM
This is where Walsh should come into his own a bit now; he should have an input into the manager, so hopefully that will make the transfer windows smoother...
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Hawkandro on October 24, 2017, 06:46:13 PM
Thats the big question for Moshiri, it isnt that easy though is it as I doubt many of the summer recruits would fit and we've got little to no chance of recouping what we paid. Plus the likes of Sig have been taken out of the reach of most teams now with wages alone, its a big call. I could see Ancelotti working with this squad, admittedly he's need to add, but I dont see it as being as big a job than if Tuchel came in

Pickford - will keep his place.
Keane - ditto, though we could do someone with pace alongside him.
Schneiderlin - should be dropped for Davies.
Klaassen - I am hopeful that given the season with a manager who has some semblance of tactics, he will come good. Likewise, could easily see him on loan at Ajax next year.
Sigurdsson - play him in the No.10 role. If Barkley stays, he can play out from the right; remember he did quite well there last year/season before? If not, can drop back to CM.
Rooney - bench or up front.
Vlasic - Can play on the wing with Lookman, Mirallas and Bolasie.
Sandro - Same as Vlasic, once used to the pace of the league. If not, we will probably recoup the money selling back to a La Liga side.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: cantoffee on October 24, 2017, 06:47:28 PM
Burnley were favourites to go down and were never on the verge of it. That's a success
They won about 4 points away from home last year and finished what? In 16th?

I'm not saying he didn't do well with what he had, but can you imagine us playing with a bank of 4 and another of 5 blocking shots all game and playing long diagonals? Most shots against in the league?

He might coach a team at a higher level differently, but there is no evidence.

I think he'd probably get us to 7th or 8th but I doubt he can take us beyond given his style of play.

They've had a good start to the season,  but on last year's evidence I wouldn't have wanted him so he hasn't done enough to get the job. He's doing well now so he's in the press a lot but that could be very different come Christmas.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Waltzer on October 24, 2017, 06:51:00 PM
Burnley were favourites to go down and were never on the verge of it. That's a success

I think hes done remarkably well with Burnley but is that style of play transferable to the other end of the table where we hope to be? As said before it wouldnt take long before we had enough of sitting deep and just spanking the ball long in the hope we could get a goal with our 20/30% of possession, I think his style works, but there is a ceiling.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Rodenplav64 on October 24, 2017, 06:55:54 PM
Ask yourself, can you really see Moshiri going for Dyche.

We know he went all out for Koeman but that's the fan boy in him. Its a big game to him.

Could you see Kenwright going for Dyche because Moshiri might just defer to Kenwright this time . Hope not as he would be a massive step back even on the fucking idiot who has just been sacked . Yes they beat us but don't forget Robertos season 3 Everton slopped out Koemans  Southampton 3-0 .
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: kramer0 on October 24, 2017, 06:56:54 PM
I like Dyche just fine but the manager of a team that's only scored 8 goals is probably the wrong man to breathe life into our abysmal attack.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: TrevorSteven on October 24, 2017, 07:01:34 PM
Could anyone either give me contactinfo or pass this message through to decisionmakers at Everton:

There is one name and one name only Everton should go for. Lets get Julian Nagelsmann before someone bigger goes for him.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on October 24, 2017, 07:06:32 PM
Could you see Kenwright going for Dyche because Moshiri might just defer to Kenwright this time . Hope not as he would be a massive step back even on the fucking idiot who has just been sacked . Yes they beat us but don't forget Robertos season 3 Everton slopped out Koemans  Southampton 3-0 .
Im assuming that Bill just sits there silently, smiling now.

I suspect he has pretty much fuck-all squared in terms of a say in the big decision given he repeatedly fluffed his lines (ironically) in the past.....
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Waltzer on October 24, 2017, 07:07:04 PM
Thomas Tuchel has not ruled himself out of the running to become Everton's next boss, Sky Sports News understands.

Tuchel has been out of work since leaving Borussia Dortmund in May, just days after winning the German Cup final, and has stated publicly that he would like to work in the Premier League.

Until now, Tuchel has been reluctant to consider any club not playing in the Champions League, but Sky Sports News has been told he would be open to an approach from Everton.

Everton sacked Ronald Koeman on Monday afternoon and are yet to draw up a shortlist for the role, although Tuchel's odds have been slashed since the bookmakers opened their market on his replacement.

Tuchel is competing with Burnley boss Sean Dyche and Everton's own U23 manager David Unsworth at the head of the betting.

Unsworth has been placed in temporary charge of first-team affairs and will be in the dugout when Everton take on Chelsea in the fourth round of the Carabao Cup on Wednesday.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Gash on October 24, 2017, 07:07:23 PM
I can't sit thorough a Sean Dyche post match interview without feeling a need to down a bottle of Covonia, for that reason alone I'm out.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: TheTone on October 24, 2017, 07:09:43 PM
me mate that works in paddypower telling me theres a lot of money going on big Tommy Tuchel all morning
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: everton1952 on October 24, 2017, 07:12:07 PM
Bottle of what? Is it a tonic or maybe like Gaviscon?
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on October 24, 2017, 07:14:00 PM
I can't sit thorough a Sean Dyche post match interview without feeling a need to down a bottle of Covonia, for that reason alone I'm out.

His voice is so distracting I struggle to take him seriously.

Billy Goats Gruff, or the Gruffalo is all I can think of when he speaks.

The other day I had to deal with the innocent question "Dad, is that man poorly?"....
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: everton1952 on October 24, 2017, 07:15:30 PM
Could anyone either give me contactinfo or pass this message through to decisionmakers at Everton:

There is one name and one name only Everton should go for. Lets get Julian Nagelsmann before someone bigger goes for him.
Let Walsh know, unless he has already left Everton.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Audrey Horne on October 24, 2017, 07:16:28 PM
I can't sit thorough a Sean Dyche post match interview without feeling a need to down a bottle of Covonia, for that reason alone I'm out.

Why doesnt he cough?? it does my fucking head in.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Toddacelli on October 24, 2017, 07:19:51 PM
Could anyone either give me contactinfo or pass this message through to decisionmakers at Everton:

There is one name and one name only Everton should go for. Lets get Julian Nagelsmann before someone bigger goes for him.

Give it a rest, Julian.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Toddacelli on October 24, 2017, 07:20:25 PM
Would rather have Chris Hughton than Sean Dyche.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: everton1952 on October 24, 2017, 07:22:04 PM
isn't that one of the reasons why some on here wanted Koeman sacked because of his "lack of media skills/poor diction."  We might have to go through it all over again if Dyche gets the job.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: sam of the south on October 24, 2017, 07:41:16 PM
isn't that one of the reasons why some on here wanted Koeman sacked because of his "lack of media skills/poor diction."  We might have to go through it all over again if Dyche gets the job.

I don't think that was an important factor at all.

Most wanted him sacked because our football in all areas of the pitch was dreadful, we were tactically anonymous, and the results and scorelines this season were abysmal. 
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: everton1952 on October 24, 2017, 07:51:36 PM
Oh! I am sure you are correct, but nonetheless some added it to their lists of dislikes of Koeman.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Macca77 on October 24, 2017, 07:52:38 PM
Don't know about anyone else but i fucking love Unsworth, said all the right things there, players are buzzing
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Confucius on October 24, 2017, 07:52:51 PM
Would be happy with Tuchel. Think I am changing my mind on Arteta. Going to get in the Nagelsman bandwagon.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: blueToffee on October 24, 2017, 07:56:43 PM
Thomas Tuchel has not ruled himself out of the running to become Everton's next boss, Sky Sports News understands.

Tuchel has been out of work since leaving Borussia Dortmund in May, just days after winning the German Cup final, and has stated publicly that he would like to work in the Premier League.

Until now, Tuchel has been reluctant to consider any club not playing in the Champions League, but Sky Sports News has been told he would be open to an approach from Everton.

Everton sacked Ronald Koeman on Monday afternoon and are yet to draw up a shortlist for the role, although Tuchel's odds have been slashed since the bookmakers opened their market on his replacement.

Tuchel is competing with Burnley boss Sean Dyche and Everton's own U23 manager David Unsworth at the head of the betting.

Unsworth has been placed in temporary charge of first-team affairs and will be in the dugout when Everton take on Chelsea in the fourth round of the Carabao Cup on Wednesday.

That would be somewhat promising, he’s actively ruled himself out of taking the West Ham job and I think the Leicester one too.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: BlueForYou on October 24, 2017, 08:03:17 PM
Nagelsmann is only 30 but has worked with Tuchel - that does indeed look like a dream team, on paper anyway

Manager: Tuchel

Assistant: Nagelsmann

Coach: Unsworth

I am in 100%
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Waltzer on October 24, 2017, 08:17:44 PM
If you believe this then Carlo is out, although it does state we contacted him as quickly as 2 days after the sacking of Koeman, which by my understanding is tomorrow!!?

Everton are understood to have contacted Carlo Ancelotti about the prospect of replacing Ronald Koeman

With Everton scouring the market for a manager to replace Ronald Koeman, one name simply leaps off the page. The Toffees have been linked with the likes of former Watford boss Walter Mazzarri and even David Moyes has been tipped to return – but Carlo Ancelotti is the man the majority of supporters are dreaming about.

The Independent reported on Monday that The Toffees saw the 58-year-old Italian as an option with Burnley’s Sean Dyche and former Dortmund tactician Thomas Tuchel also on the shortlist.

The report added that Ancelotti, however, would take a lot of convincing, having planned to take a number of months out of the game following his sacking by Bayern Munich last month.
And Italian publication Tuttomercatoweb has provided an update on the story on Tuesday morning, going as far as to claim that Everton had contacted the former Chelsea, AC Milan and Real Madrid boss just two days after Koeman was given his marching orders.

Though, as expected, the three-time Champions League winning manager has turned down the prospect of an immediate return to management.

This will come as a disappointing to a number of Everton supporters. Ancelotti is, after all, by far the most reputable name available at the moment and has experience of managing, and succeeding, with some of the biggest club sides in the European game.

With Ancelotti out of the running, however, Burnley supporters can be forgiven for feeling a little nervous with speculation surrounding Dyche increasing.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: blueToffee on October 24, 2017, 08:24:45 PM
Sorry if I'm late to this but apparently Phil Neville wants the job:

http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/41733364

(https://media.giphy.com/media/3tt3TivbZ8hby/giphy.gif)

Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: TheRam on October 24, 2017, 08:25:37 PM
Nagelsmann is only 30 but has worked with Tuchel - that does indeed look like a dream team, on paper anyway

Manager: Tuchel

Assistant: Nagelsmann

Coach: Unsworth

I am in 100%

Director of football: Rangnick
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Redartin on October 24, 2017, 08:27:20 PM
I'm worried now.

When Moyes left the first name being kicked about by the media was Martinez. Then a few others got kicked about but Roberto kept getting mentioned and was then named manager.

When he went first name being kicked about by the media was Koeman. Then we had Emery, Pelligrini etc but Koeman kept getting mentioned and was then named manager.

Now the first named being kicked about by the media is Sean Dyche. Please don't let us go for a hat trick of crap managers. Let Leicester experiment with the likes of Dyche or Howe. I' rather go for the fucking dentist that manages Iceland. (The country, not the shop)
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: sam of the south on October 24, 2017, 08:30:39 PM
Director of football: Rangnick

I've wanted Rangnick as DOF and Tuchel as Manager for a while now
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Trublue on October 24, 2017, 08:31:04 PM
I want Unsworth right now. Hope he gets the results to get the job. That Press conference has done it for me
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Macca77 on October 24, 2017, 08:35:44 PM
Tuchel

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11671/11096384/thomas-tuchel-open-to-an-approach-from-everton-over-managerial-vacancy
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on October 24, 2017, 09:14:52 PM
Tuchel

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11671/11096384/thomas-tuchel-open-to-an-approach-from-everton-over-managerial-vacancy

Let’s face it, who doesn’t fancy £6m a year.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: everton1952 on October 24, 2017, 09:17:21 PM
Chelsea 0 Unsworth Press Conference 3  (Unsworth all 3)
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: blue1948 on October 24, 2017, 09:27:59 PM
Let’s face it, who doesn’t fancy £6m a year.
Koeman worked for 16 months and if he was paid until the end of his contract that is 13.5mill a year ,for fucking it up!!!
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Waltzer on October 24, 2017, 09:39:01 PM
Koeman worked for 16 months and if he was paid until the end of his contract that is 13.5mill a year ,for fucking it up!!!

From my perspective its kind of what the board deserved. Koeman was given a big contract as he had a big reputation within the game, you can go through every transfer window he had and we failed to deliver a lot of what was required (Sissokko, Koubilaly, Perez, Brahimi, Gabbiadini, Witsel, Pelle, Giroud, new left back etc). He wasnt entirely to blame for the team failing but hes the only one that has paid with his job, others who contributed to this are meeting the squad this morning and carrying on as usual. Yes its a lot of money to fork out, but the board decided he was worth it and the length of the contract so they cant complain when they have to pay him off when they were partly to blame.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: bacon sarnie on October 24, 2017, 09:45:00 PM
Koeman worked for 16 months and if he was paid until the end of his contract that is 13.5mill a year ,for fucking it up!!!

Koeman & Martinez wave hello from a beach somewhere and it ain't in Rhyl or Talacre.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Ridge on October 24, 2017, 10:21:12 PM
Tuchel came through as a youth coach at Maine and is same age as Unsworth. Martinez managed 72 points in his first season and won Cup with Wigan. While Liverpool look hell bent on destruction, whoever takes over the team from Klopp, will inherit a young, dangerous attacking team.

I think English clubs tend to have an importers mentality, that you can always buy a better option as you can recruit from anywhere. Martinez and Koeman both had Catalan ties, Barcelona themselves 12 of the last 14 seasons were managers employed with similar or less experience to Unsworth.

Moyes, Martinez, Koeman, they all got us to an extent, but also showed that at times they didn't represent or understand the feelings of fans. Moyes lacked ambition, Martinez humiliated us, Koeman had no style and lost substance. Moyes went to United and Martinez to Belgium,
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 24, 2017, 10:28:48 PM
Tuchel

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11671/11096384/thomas-tuchel-open-to-an-approach-from-everton-over-managerial-vacancy

I'm warming to Tuchel as a more viable alternative to Silva.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Waltzer on October 24, 2017, 10:30:55 PM
Tuchel came through as a youth coach at Maine and is same age as Unsworth. Martinez managed 72 points in his first season and won Cup with Wigan. While Liverpool look hell bent on destruction, whoever takes over the team from Klopp, will inherit a young, dangerous attacking team.

I think English clubs tend to have an importers mentality, that you can always buy a better option as you can recruit from anywhere. Martinez and Koeman both had Catalan ties, Barcelona themselves 12 of the last 14 seasons were managers employed with similar or less experience to Unsworth.

Moyes, Martinez, Koeman, they all got us to an extent, but also showed that at times they didn't represent or understand the feelings of fans. Moyes lacked ambition, Martinez humiliated us, Koeman had no style and lost substance. Moyes went to United and Martinez to Belgium,

Find it hard to use Barca as a comparison for numerous reasons. Your walking into a club that has everything, the best players, the most awards, it goes on. The people that have been employed have been ex superstars of the game that command instant respect and have been preparing for this for a number of years,  also, for a majority of the years they've only really been competing with 1 other team.

Unsworth is going into a team short of confidence in the bottom 3 of a fiercely competitive league with a squad with little to no balance. I do want him to succeed but I think walking into Barcelona's first team and ours are light years apart for any manager.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Lxxx on October 24, 2017, 10:34:42 PM
I've wanted Rangnick as DOF and Tuchel as Manager for a while now

Let's not go too far the other way. Clearly I don't know the inner workings of what happened over the past 18 months but I wouldn't throw the baby out with the bathwater with Walsh. He has immense knowledge of the English game and he wouldn't be the first person to not get along with Koeman, Les Reed had his differences too by all accounts.
His signings of Pickford, Gueye, Onyekuru and Sandro haven't been bad at all (Sandro was low risk for the fee and has got to be better than his confidence-shot performances so far) and he's re-organised the scouting setup since he's been appointed.

Clearly he's partly culpable for the lack of a striker and centre half but we don't know if his suggestions were discounted by Koeman, I'd be amazed if he offered nothing by the way of options for those two positions.

If he's on the selection panel for the next manager we should be able to appoint someone he feels he can work with, which is half the battle in these type of dynamics.

Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Cereal Killer on October 24, 2017, 10:35:13 PM
Sorry if I'm late to this but apparently Phil Neville wants the job:

http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/41733364

(https://media.giphy.com/media/3tt3TivbZ8hby/giphy.gif)

They seem to have re labelled the article as Unsworth wants the job now rather than Neville?
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Rhys on October 24, 2017, 10:41:11 PM
Find it hard to use Barca as a comparison for numerous reasons. Your walking into a club that has everything, the best players, the most awards, it goes on. The people that have been employed have been ex superstars of the game that command instant respect and have been preparing for this for a number of years,  also, for a majority of the years they've only really been competing with 1 other team.

Unsworth is going into a team short of confidence in the bottom 3 of a fiercely competitive league with a squad with little to no balance. I do want him to succeed but I think walking into Barcelona's first team and ours are light years apart for any manager.

For them, real madrid or someone like Bayern they can take a gamble on anyone who they think might have a chance of being good. You take over Barcelona this summer do horrendously you finish 3rd or 4th. You sack the manager replace him with whoever you want, sitll have a top squad and can buy whoever you want. With us we literally could go down if he turned out to be a disaster and even if not finishing 15th as opposed to 7th makes a big difference to us in having conversations with potential transfer targets or new managers.

Chelsea finished 10th in their worst season for over 20 years, still got one of the top manager talents in the world still a top squad and won the league the following season. So much easier for teams to gamble on managers when they know the landscape for what they can achieve doesnt change. Which is why appointing Guardiola and Zidane for Barca and Madrid weren't remotely gambles, whereas for us appointing Rhino it could be a complete toss of a coin.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 24, 2017, 10:44:20 PM
Let's not go too far the other way. Clearly I don't know the inner workings of what happened over the past 18 months but I wouldn't throw the baby out with the bathwater with Walsh. He has immense knowledge of the English game and he wouldn't be the first person to not get along with Koeman, Les Reed had his differences too by all accounts.
His signings of Pickford, Gueye, Onyekuru and Sandro haven't been bad at all (Sandro was low risk for the fee and has got to be better than his confidence-shot performances so far) and he's re-organised the scouting setup since he's been appointed.

Clearly he's partly culpable for the lack of a striker and centre half but we don't know if his suggestions were discounted by Koeman, I'd be amazed if he offered nothing by the way of options for those two positions.

If he's on the selection panel for the next manager we should be able to appoint someone he feels he can work with, which is half the battle in these type of dynamics.



Maybe I'm being naive but I really don't blame Walsh. I think had he had a free reign we'd have sign a striker out of left field. I think the problem was the list of koemans approved targets was quite short and if they don't want to play for us there's not much Walsh can do

I like how we are signing young players and I like how we've done with our cheaper punts (sandro will still prove to be a very good player)
It's vital we get someone who wants to work more closely with Walsh next time though. Think we got stuck between the 2 systems where koeman had a little too much say but then not quite enough to take full responsibility. Surely the manager should tslk about which attributes he needs and the DOF should compile the list?
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 24, 2017, 10:48:12 PM
For them, real madrid or someone like Bayern they can take a gamble on anyone who they think might have a chance of being good. You take over Barcelona this summer do horrendously you finish 3rd or 4th. You sack the manager replace him with whoever you want, sitll have a top squad and can buy whoever you want. With us we literally could go down if he turned out to be a disaster and even if not finishing 15th as opposed to 7th makes a big difference to us in having conversations with potential transfer targets or new managers.

Chelsea finished 10th in their worst season for over 20 years, still got one of the top manager talents in the world still a top squad and won the league the following season. So much easier for teams to gamble on managers when they know the landscape for what they can achieve doesnt change. Which is why appointing Guardiola and Zidane for Barca and Madrid weren't remotely gambles, whereas for us appointing Rhino it could be a complete toss of a coin.

With great risk comes great reward. We want to stay up it's big Sam. The only way we get a worldclass manager is to choose potential over proven. This has been much of our problem with player recruitment too. We signed the likes of Morgan, rooney and Sigurdsson. Safe good players proven but then they are proven to be just a little short of being good enough for any of the teams above us.

You look down the list of possible managers and they are all a risk in 1 way or another. I'd argue we almost have to take risks while the likes of Barcelona don't. They can attract certainties we can't
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: sam of the south on October 24, 2017, 10:49:28 PM
Let's not go too far the other way. Clearly I don't know the inner workings of what happened over the past 18 months but I wouldn't throw the baby out with the bathwater with Walsh. He has immense knowledge of the English game and he wouldn't be the first person to not get along with Koeman, Les Reed had his differences too by all accounts.
His signings of Pickford, Gueye, Onyekuru and Sandro haven't been bad at all (Sandro was low risk for the fee and has got to be better than his confidence-shot performances so far) and he's re-organised the scouting setup since he's been appointed.

Clearly he's partly culpable for the lack of a striker and centre half but we don't know if his suggestions were discounted by Koeman, I'd be amazed if he offered nothing by the way of options for those two positions.

If he's on the selection panel for the next manager we should be able to appoint someone he feels he can work with, which is half the battle in these type of dynamics.



I would be very suprised it Moshiri laid all the blame at Koeman's feet, so I would imagine Walsh is skating on pretty thin ice right now.

Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Hawkandro on October 24, 2017, 10:52:20 PM
Let's not go too far the other way. Clearly I don't know the inner workings of what happened over the past 18 months but I wouldn't throw the baby out with the bathwater with Walsh. He has immense knowledge of the English game and he wouldn't be the first person to not get along with Koeman, Les Reed had his differences too by all accounts.
His signings of Pickford, Gueye, Onyekuru and Sandro haven't been bad at all (Sandro was low risk for the fee and has got to be better than his confidence-shot performances so far) and he's re-organised the scouting setup since he's been appointed.

Clearly he's partly culpable for the lack of a striker and centre half but we don't know if his suggestions were discounted by Koeman, I'd be amazed if he offered nothing by the way of options for those two positions.

If he's on the selection panel for the next manager we should be able to appoint someone he feels he can work with, which is half the battle in these type of dynamics.



From comments Koeman made following the closure of the transfer window, it sounded like they decided not to pursue any of the other players lined up behind Giroud due to value for money, so I would imagine Ronald is just as culpable for this as Walsh.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Cozzie on October 24, 2017, 10:53:13 PM
Would absolutely love Tuchel here.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Rhys on October 24, 2017, 10:54:18 PM
Maybe I'm being naive but I really don't blame Walsh. I think had he had a free reign we'd have sign a striker out of left field. I think the problem was the list of koemans approved targets was quite short and if they don't want to play for us there's not much Walsh can do

I like how we are signing young players and I like how we've done with our cheaper punts (sandro will still prove to be a very good player)
It's vital we get someone who wants to work more closely with Walsh next time though. Think we got stuck between the 2 systems where koeman had a little too much say but then not quite enough to take full responsibility. Surely the manager should tslk about which attributes he needs and the DOF should compile the list?

I think that last part is the key point with whether Koeman was dealt a bad hand or how it works moving forward. The logic should be that Koeman went to Walsh saying I want a creative player who creates xxx number of chances a game, xxx goals/assists over a season, covers xxx amount of distance or whatever they key areas he wants from them. Then Walsh should come back going we have these players we think fit the bill, lets have a look at them and decide who the one we want is.

Whereas I think it's more likely Koeman went saying I want Giroud, I want Sigurdsson and I want Klaassen etc. And I think it was also an issue with Walsh never having done the role before. I think a more experienced DoF might well have pushed back on Koeman when the price for Sigurdsson went as high as it did. When the figures got near 50m you would want the DoF saying we arent sure thats good value, but we have these alternatives who fit the same criteria as you are looking for.

All speculation that that is what happened but the way koeman spoke about certain players it came across that he was focussed on those individuals rather than what he was looking for out of them. Also might be a reason the club stick with Walsh but might be easier to outline who does what with a manager coming in with a DoF in place unlike last time.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 24, 2017, 11:02:45 PM
I think that last part is the key point with whether Koeman was dealt a bad hand or how it works moving forward. The logic should be that Koeman went to Walsh saying I want a creative player who creates xxx number of chances a game, xxx goals/assists over a season, covers xxx amount of distance or whatever they key areas he wants from them. Then Walsh should come back going we have these players we think fit the bill, lets have a look at them and decide who the one we want is.

Whereas I think it's more likely Koeman went saying I want Giroud, I want Sigurdsson and I want Klaassen etc. And I think it was also an issue with Walsh never having done the role before. I think a more experienced DoF might well have pushed back on Koeman when the price for Sigurdsson went as high as it did. When the figures got near 50m you would want the DoF saying we arent sure thats good value, but we have these alternatives who fit the same criteria as you are looking for.

All speculation that that is what happened but the way koeman spoke about certain players it came across that he was focussed on those individuals rather than what he was looking for out of them. Also might be a reason the club stick with Walsh but might be easier to outline who does what with a manager coming in with a DoF in place unlike last time.

That's how I see it. That koeman was allowed to have very set ideas about who it wanted. The problems were 2 fold. His picks weren't quite good enough and we got bent over on the price because he would deviate. I don't think we negotiated very well on any of our big deals. Even Keane and Pickford who could both prove bargains weren't at the point of purchase and should have been as we were in a strong position both times
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Ridge on October 24, 2017, 11:20:10 PM
Find it hard to use Barca as a comparison for numerous reasons. Your walking into a club that has everything, the best players, the most awards, it goes on. The people that have been employed have been ex superstars of the game that command instant respect and have been preparing for this for a number of years,  also, for a majority of the years they've only really been competing with 1 other team.

Unsworth is going into a team short of confidence in the bottom 3 of a fiercely competitive league with a squad with little to no balance. I do want him to succeed but I think walking into Barcelona's first team and ours are light years apart for any manager.

There's a bigger safety net, but I think you're pointing out the similarities.  ;)

Unsworth has been a manager of U23's for 3 years, they appointed managers who had served a shorter apprenticeship. I'm not saying it would make us Barcelona or we should replicate this or that one. I'm just pointing out they are prime example of a club that has promoted youth coaches and ex players , often when things aren't looking so rosy. Barca B team or Everton U23's, who's it more impressive to win league with? not a major competition, but can only do what's in front of you.

Unsworth may not work out, but the youth coach route is one that you can knock too hard, unless you're from the UK and even then there's managers like Howe at Bournemouth. Zidane at Real, Guardiola at Barcelona. There's been loads of coverage of Bundesliga (https://www.theguardian.com/football/the-set-pieces-blog/2017/jan/19/bundesliga-clubs-managers-premier-league-germany-england) doing this on an industrial scale.

Youth coaches are not afraid of reputations and price tags, they can often help transition several young players into key first team roles. They've worked with access to highest levels of data, techniques and tactics, but without the smoke. If you can manage a group of teenage millionaires, the first team is a walk in the park.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: MrWhite on October 25, 2017, 12:04:08 AM
Does he speak English?
Pretty much a given these days with younger Germans to be fair.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: MrWhite on October 25, 2017, 12:05:25 AM
Ask yourself, can you really see Moshiri going for Dyche.

We know he went all out for Koeman but that's the fan boy in him. Its a big game to him.
I’m fine with that attitude from him as long as he’s serious about winning that game.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Ridge on October 25, 2017, 12:06:54 AM
I think that last part is the key point with whether Koeman was dealt a bad hand or how it works moving forward. The logic should be that Koeman went to Walsh saying I want a creative player who creates xxx number of chances a game, xxx goals/assists over a season, covers xxx amount of distance or whatever they key areas he wants from them. Then Walsh should come back going we have these players we think fit the bill, lets have a look at them and decide who the one we want is.

Whereas I think it's more likely Koeman went saying I want Giroud, I want Sigurdsson and I want Klaassen etc. And I think it was also an issue with Walsh never having done the role before. I think a more experienced DoF might well have pushed back on Koeman when the price for Sigurdsson went as high as it did. When the figures got near 50m you would want the DoF saying we arent sure thats good value, but we have these alternatives who fit the same criteria as you are looking for.

All speculation that that is what happened but the way koeman spoke about certain players it came across that he was focussed on those individuals rather than what he was looking for out of them. Also might be a reason the club stick with Walsh but might be easier to outline who does what with a manager coming in with a DoF in place unlike last time.

For me that is why Sigurdsson is Walsh's buy or above his authority. I think the lack of creativity comment from Koeman hinted it too.  Koeman had staff that recruited players at Southampton and actually I think transfer wise he probably had some input on Clasie, Martina, Stek. But I see him as adopting some players as his and rejecting ones he's not sure about.

I don't see him naming Forster, Mane, VVD, Tadic or Pelle, I think of him saying "ok" a lot. We spent enough, that he could get what he specifically wanted, he had his heart set on something else, he's not sure what, a better one.

I had a thought that this summer maybe Koeman wanted Klaassen and then wanted a number 10 and Walsh wanted Sigurdsson and a number 10 and we ended up not being able to get other potential targets we knew were available. But I think there is more needle because Barkley and his deal wasn't done, Niasse came back into things and Koeman probably wanted McCarthy and half a dozen others gone.

I don't look through the signings and see bad acquisitions, I think some will take time to settle and some big fees, but I wouldn't write off any as bad buys yet, half of them are young players who look talented. Pickford, Vlasic, Onyekuru, Sandro, all look seriously good bits of business. I think Koeman complaining and trying to defend his own neck has resulted in us looking less favourably on transfers.

We only sold a few first team players, yet made wholesale changes to team that didn't work. For me the squad is a much better one with much more potential and value, replacing Lukaku was never going to be easy and now we don't have to replace Barkley. We have several players to come back from injury, once we are out of europe we have an absolute embarrassment of riches compared to years back. There's probably some diamonds and some turds, but at least get polishing.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Topper on October 25, 2017, 12:14:16 AM
A top manager coming in: the likes of Ancelotti, Tuchel etc with Unsworth learning his trade with the first team as their assistant before becoming manager if they move on the pastures new would be ideal for me to be honest.

As much as I love Unsworth I would like him to have a bit more experience within the first team before becoming permanent manager.  It just seems to me that a lot of caretaker managers that have little first team experience have got the boot recently after having a good start.  Monk , Sherwood, Shakespeare etc but at the end of the day you have to cut your teeth some time I guess and some have worked out for other clubs.


I just would like him to have a bit more experience and get back into the first team loop as I think he will do a good job down the line for us.

I just am afraid he will do well for the first 10 matches or so, get the job and then our season tails off, we cants attract better players in Jan because of our position and inexperienced manager and then fans are calling for his head come the end of the season and we become a sacking club which hasn't been our policy.

I know Unsy has the pride and passion for the club but I personally think the challenge might come a bit too soon for him as he has only been managing u23's for a couple of years and hasn't that big game experience yet with the first team, hence why I would love him to be the new managers number 2 but I guess they will probably want their own men to come in.  Although if we arent able to get that 'big name manager' in, I definitely would rather appoint Unsworth over the likes of Dyche or Allardyce.

Just my opinion and as we can see by the poll there are a lot of different names that people would be happy with, wouldn't football be boring if we all thought the same lol
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: MrWhite on October 25, 2017, 12:18:49 AM
whoever takes over the team from Klopp
He’s not gone yet?!

On the other hand because he build a good relationship with his clubs fans he’ll likely get longer to figure it out.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: velimski on October 25, 2017, 12:19:27 AM
Tuchel for me.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Rodenplav64 on October 25, 2017, 12:35:15 AM
Tuchel for me.

Did he resign after a disagreement with the board over players ? Liked watching Dortmund but they may well have been like us without Aubamayang . He did give youngsters a chance though so who knows how they would have improved had he stayed .
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Ridge on October 25, 2017, 01:10:37 AM
As much as I love Unsworth I would like him to have a bit more experience within the first team before becoming permanent manager.  It just seems to me that a lot of caretaker managers that have little first team experience have got the boot recently after having a good start.  Monk , Sherwood, Shakespeare etc but at the end of the day you have to cut your teeth some time I guess and some have worked out for other clubs.

Monk went straight in with coaching experience. Shakespeare came in from assistant manager role. Sherwood was 4 years assistant manager, 1 year technical director, 6 months manager.

Unsworth has just focused on managing his team, he's not been working alongside the last guy and thinks he knows how to do it the same but a bit better. He's got his own way and he understands the reasoning, the objectives, the wisdom, from experience.

Unsworth has shown a high level of competency in the core roles of management. We have Walsh to identify targets, we have Elstone to worry about commercial objectives. He's there to pick team, motivate and develop and it's hard to find things to knock him with on those fronts until he loses his 100% win ratio from last year and a half(1 game, joke).

The players who have come into the first team and looked the most motivated have often been playing under Unsworth. Kenny, Davies, Lookman, Niasse, DCL. no questions about attitude or endeavour from any of them. I've listened to Unsworth because of my sympathy for Niasse, but to me he's always appeared a much better ambassador and more motivational for the club than Koeman ever did.

I can understand concerns about the learning gradient on tactical matters, but I think Koeman and others have shown their methods are relatively crude when it stops working, often managers who have achieved short term growth elsewhere.

All players will improve with new chance and suddenly instead of looking threadbare, we'll have u23s, experienced players, new signings, players returning from injury. A look at the squad with a fresh perspective starts making us look rather good again.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Trowel on October 25, 2017, 02:14:51 PM
Mirror reporting Ancelloti is in talks with Chinese Super League team Guangzhou Evergrande.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Hawkandro on October 25, 2017, 02:29:18 PM
Did he resign after a disagreement with the board over players ? Liked watching Dortmund but they may well have been like us without Aubamayang . He did give youngsters a chance though so who knows how they would have improved had he stayed .

He left after the bomb attack on their coach. He felt that he didn't receive the support from the board IIRC.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Paddockoldie on October 25, 2017, 02:50:55 PM
Mirror reporting Ancelloti is in talks with Chinese Super League team Guangzhou Evergrande.


I think Carlo's chasing the big pay day.. and who can blame him as he's been to the top. That's why I wouldn't want him. What's he got to chase with us? He's managed the top, top clubs so would also demand the budget, which we may not have. As for Tuchel. He's a gamble I feel but he does seem interested but he's also out of work.  For now I'd stick with Unsy and see what he can do.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Lxxx on October 25, 2017, 03:30:28 PM
Unsworth is the man in charge so deserves our backing until such time as it changes.
I don’t subscribe to the view that it is too early in his career. As long as he has backing from the board and from the players there’s no reason to think he wouldn’t give it a decent go.

We’ve had two poor appointments who started brightly then fizzled out. If we decide to go internal as our next boss he deserves to have it let be known from up above that he has the unequivocal backing from everyone so as to not see the capitulations again if things don’t go smoothly.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Macca77 on October 25, 2017, 03:43:14 PM
Unsworth is the man in charge so deserves our backing until such time as it changes.
I don’t subscribe to the view that it is too early in his career. As long as he has backing from the board and from the players there’s no reason to think he wouldn’t give it a decent go.

We’ve had two poor appointments who started brightly then fizzled out. If we decide to go internal as our next boss he deserves to have it let be known from up above that he has the unequivocal backing from everyone so as to not see the capitulations again if things don’t go smoothly.

This, if we get a couple of good results in our next few games then I can see him being in charge for the rest of the season.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Lazarou on October 25, 2017, 03:52:11 PM
I don't care who it is as long as we look like we know what we are doing and the players look like they give a shit. It would be great if Unsworth is that man. Would be good to show that young English coaches can come through the ranks at a big club and make it.

Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: TrevorSteven on October 25, 2017, 04:09:17 PM
Give it a rest, Julian.

Lets embrace the future and forget the past - Julian for sure is the future:

http://www.bundesliga.com/en/news/Bundesliga/hoffenheim-coach-julian-nagelsmann-introduces-videowall-to-revolutionise-training-454562.jsp

Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: boothill on October 25, 2017, 04:33:56 PM
Koeman & Martinez wave hello from a beach somewhere and it ain't in Rhyl or Talacre.
Rhyl is shit poor now, i think they may have crossed the blue bridge and vacationed in towyn
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: hill135 on October 25, 2017, 06:20:39 PM
Bayern want Tuchel to take over next season supposedly. Might be a tough sell from our point of view.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Rodenplav64 on October 25, 2017, 06:33:21 PM
Bayern want Tuchel to take over next season supposedly. Might be a tough sell from our point of view.

I am sure Tuchel , however ambitious , will stay away from Bayern all the time the are a mess at board level .
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Waltzer on October 25, 2017, 06:43:39 PM
Ouch just read an article saying we were interested in Reme Garde!!
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Hawkandro on October 25, 2017, 07:03:27 PM
Remi Garde is an interesting choice - his Lyon team were meant to be fantastic, but yeah, his time at Villa was disastrous, but then, so was Gana Gueye's...
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Hesmenos on October 25, 2017, 07:13:02 PM

I think Carlo's chasing the big pay day.. and who can blame him as he's been to the top. That's why I wouldn't want him. What's he got to chase with us? He's managed the top, top clubs so would also demand the budget, which we may not have. As for Tuchel. He's a gamble I feel but he does seem interested but he's also out of work.  For now I'd stick with Unsy and see what he can do.
I agree, don't see him interested in coming to us. I also don't think he is the right fit for us at the moment. In the state that we are in, without a football identity and with a lot of new players that still need to be bedded in, we need a manager who can build a team. Ancelotti hasn't done that since his Milan days and with rumours coming out of Bayern that the players wanted more intense training, you wonder if he has the energy or motivation to do so.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: GLewis on October 25, 2017, 07:18:38 PM
Bayern want Tuchel to take over next season supposedly. Might be a tough sell from our point of view.

Well he wouldn’t come in that case.

Not sure why they wouldn’t have appointed him now if that was the case though.

Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: blueToffee on October 25, 2017, 07:50:56 PM
Well he wouldn’t come in that case.

Not sure why they wouldn’t have appointed him now if that was the case though.



Exactly, it'd be kinda weird seeing that he's literally doing nothing right now. Why appoint an interim manager if the manager you want is just chilling?

I thought Bayern were actually meant to be going for Nagelsmann at the end of the season (hence the interim appointment).

But yeah, if Bayern are serious and I'm sure they'd have let him know in that case and he'd not come here. The fact that Sky did say (supposedly) he'd consider an offer from us (yet openly rebuffed other PL teams) makes me think he knows Bayern aren't coming in and if we're after him and can show ambition then I'd say we'd have a decent shot.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on October 25, 2017, 08:10:18 PM
There is no way Tuchel would pick us over Bayern if it was his choice. Its likely he's not getting the Bayern job because they don't rate him that highly.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Rhys on October 25, 2017, 08:44:51 PM
Agree with if Bayern had Tuchel as number 1 choice they'd have given him the job now rather than get someone in until the summer. They might have said to him if we cant get who they want, presume Nagelsmann although Klopp being mentioned a few times as well, then he is high on the list he might think it is worth waiting. He did wait a year after Mainz for the Dortmund job.

However the likelihood is he isnt number 1 for them otherwise he'd have got it now, and if they do want Nagelsmann I'd be shocked if they cant get him in the summer.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: brap2 on October 25, 2017, 09:07:48 PM
@ridge think you're going OTT.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: bogie on October 25, 2017, 09:46:36 PM
if they are not going to give it to David full time then any fucker that will not play 4 2 3 1 every fucking game
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Shropshire Blue on October 25, 2017, 10:20:48 PM
It's a strange thing that when we all discuss future managers/signings we never seem to allow for the constraints that they worked under before or allow for the fact that players play differently under different managers. Sometimes better sometimes worse. Like him or hate him Allardyce is a great example of making the most with what he has. Doesn't mean he can go on and succeed by spending billions. Pulis is another one. Mourinho has won it all but looked a bit lost when he had to turn around a failing team at Chelsea rather than taking on an established team.
Overall I don't think the signings we have made are too bad and I expect most of them to improve under a new manager.
Personally I'm really surprised at Koeman's teams looking so disorganised and unstructured as my only reservation before he came was that whilst I expected us to be better I wondered if we would become one of those teams where we were very good at what we did but totally predictable. Like Chelsea under Mourinho first time around. 
The other thing that has really stood out in the last few weeks (as things more publicly broke down) is how important it is for a manager to have enough insight into human nature to be able to be flexible in bringing out the best in players. No matter how much we speculate about the forthcoming appointment that is something that fans will know little about as most of what happens stays in the dressing rooms.
You look at some apparently miserable so and sos' on the tele but they must have something different and better off the screen!
Here's hoping we get it right this time! I want a mixture of Conte (for the fans) Ferguson for the team and Allardyce for the attitude. Applications to EFC!
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Jimmywhack on October 25, 2017, 10:28:41 PM
if they are not going to give it to David full time then any fucker that will not play 4 2 3 1 every fucking game
Unsworth played a lot of 4231
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: SANA_DR0 on October 25, 2017, 10:44:41 PM
want to change my vote from Silva to Tuchel... I Have a feeling we are going to speak to him..
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Ridge on October 25, 2017, 10:54:21 PM
@ridge think you're going OTT.

That's my style, offering a more positive spin on a different angle, sometimes I get a bit carried away. But I like to stick some markers in the ground for clarity and context.

This is first appointment I'm happy with before a ball is kicked. Anxiety about experience is understandable, but we all have to cut our teeth somewhere and sometimes the best place to learn is the place you'll grow into. I think you'll be with me, getting carried away in a few games time.

Shall we do the credits to the soap opera thing again?  ;)
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: brap2 on October 25, 2017, 11:20:36 PM
That's my style, offering a more positive spin on a different angle, sometimes I get a bit carried away. But I like to stick some markers in the ground for clarity and context.

This is first appointment I'm happy with before a ball is kicked. Anxiety about experience is understandable, but we all have to cut our teeth somewhere and sometimes the best place to learn is the place you'll grow into. I think you'll be with me, getting carried away in a few games time.

Shall we do the credits to the soap opera thing again?  ;)

If he does well it's a great 'narrative' and I must admit partly I'm not onboard because he's not very fashionable - there's not much buzz outside L4...

but there's so many little bits that if it worked out would make it fantastic - Rooney, Barkley, Unsworth, Dunc, that new GK coach who's da trained Nev etc.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: gizzblue on October 26, 2017, 12:29:56 AM
If he does well it's a great 'narrative' and I must admit partly I'm not onboard because he's not very fashionable - there's not much buzz outside L4...

but there's so many little bits that if it worked out would make it fantastic - Rooney, Barkley, Unsworth, Dunc, that new GK coach who's da trained Nev etc.
A club of locals and hero's would be amazing 😅.
Truly the people's club .
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Jimmywhack on October 26, 2017, 12:32:04 AM
If you'd have said to me in the 90s that john ebbrell would be a future coach at Everton I'd have cried

Funny how things work out
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: SANA_DR0 on October 26, 2017, 12:32:34 AM
A club of locals and hero's would be amazing 😅.
Truly the people's club .

this forever til i die. thats what i have always loved about Everton.. Also nice to see they(the media) have picked up on only Evertonian managers being successful with Everton :D
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: BlueForYou on October 26, 2017, 12:49:15 AM
John Ebbrell - class of '84 Lilleshall original

Kendall rated him
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Ridge on October 26, 2017, 01:26:07 AM
If he does well it's a great 'narrative' and I must admit partly I'm not onboard because he's not very fashionable - there's not much buzz outside L4...

but there's so many little bits that if it worked out would make it fantastic - Rooney, Barkley, Unsworth, Dunc, that new GK coach who's da trained Nev etc.

I understand it's a bit underwhelming, and I think some went a bit OTT in terms of Arteta or what's Kanchelkis up to these days? He doesn't sound very exotic, nobody else cares, but that's just perception, means very little at the end of the day. Would it help if I said that the one of the biggest management trends in Europe is developing your own coaches, it's about to be in, we're ahead of curve in PL  ;D

Look at the video on the last page about Nagelsmann, great young manager with new ideas, came through youth setup, did his apprenticeship with youngsters, brought through youngsters into first team.... It's pretty much the same pattern with all the young managers that people want, came through youth setup, did surprisingly well. Many of the better managers are coming out of Germany, where they seem to be in some sort of young management arms race. I'd suggest that implies they are not just giving young managers a chance, but they are getting a decent education.

Unsworth went to Largs in Scotland, the same place Ferguson, Moyes, Mourinho and more recently Silva. Here's an article from 2014 calling him another one off the production line (http://www.espn.co.uk/football/blog/name/68/post/2077712/headline), as so many Portuguese coaches go there since Mourinho's success, AVB etc.

We could find the width of knowledge is too wide, I expect some naivety. But there are plenty of examples from across europe, where the new understanding has outperformed the perceived wisdom and often where young ex players have come through youth team management and inherited a crisis and turned completely around.

I've never considered an internal appointment before and I had a few candidates who might seem more rounded. But you can talk about promoting from within, if you're good enough, you'll get the chance, it's demonstrating it that matters. If his record wasn't as extensive or impressive at youth level, if he had issues with members of the squad, if he wasn't motivational or didn't have leadership qualities, we'd have more reason for concern.

His under 23s have had no problem turning over the perceived bigger clubs, he won youth league, several players involved in U20 world cup win. England has some of the best young talent in the world, but the standard to get to the top level is ever increasing. But  the knowledge and skill base of coaching has increased with new managers and styles in recent years. There is reason to think that he probably understands a lot more about tactics and systems, than people expect.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: MrWhite on October 26, 2017, 01:39:20 AM
It's funny. So many times there's been a big debate about whether it not it matters if the manager 'gets' Everton. Roberto seemed to, and that kept him here much longer than ambition might have hoped. It's left Koeman out on his ear much quicker when things fell apart.

Whether the new guy is local or foreign, is already a winner, is young and on the rise or an experienced campaigner who can 'do a job', that debate will continue. He might get Everton. He might not give a fuck. He might realise that acting like he gets it, even if he actually doesn't give a fuck, is probably in his own best interests. We will never actually know what's in his head. So whoever might come in, that debate will always continue.

For at least the next four games, it's not even a question.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: brap2 on October 26, 2017, 04:54:50 PM
I'm going to need more than positivity and being 'Everton'. If it doesn't work out we could find ourselves in big ask territory very quickly.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Macca77 on October 26, 2017, 05:44:07 PM
https://twitter.com/TheSportsman/status/922774558825943040
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on October 26, 2017, 05:46:28 PM
If, hypothetically of course, Pep came in as manager - where would you expect us to finish with this squad? Just curious.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: van der Meyde on October 26, 2017, 05:57:13 PM
Look at the video on the last page about Nagelsmann, great young manager with new ideas, came through youth setup, did his apprenticeship with youngsters, brought through youngsters into first team.... It's pretty much the same pattern with all the young managers that people want, came through youth setup, did surprisingly well.
This ties in quite well with what @Shropshire Blue (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=3265) said about assessing a manager's past constraints and effects on a player.

The reason that these youth team coaches have been successful in Germany? It's probably got a lot to do with the fact that, as they've already developed youth team players in to first team players, they've already demonstrated success with coaching both those players and the club's style. They've shown that they can communicate well with the younger players and impart their ideas.

Our next manager has to be able to work well with and coach the players we've got. Koeman's plans A and B  revolved around ball playing target men, giving him the option to launch it forward when things weren't going well. It's a big reason that it didn't work for Koeman at Valencia, for example, where he was stuck with 5 foot 9 David Villa up front as Morientes was injured for most of his reign.

Most managers can't or don't alter their styles too much. So - given the difficulty of signing good quality players in January - our next manager has to be able to work with what we've already got. Our board probably needs to work out what our future strategy is going to be too though, we can't risk another situation where Walsh and the manager are seemingly targeting different types of players.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Lincs Toffee on October 26, 2017, 06:04:40 PM
Personally I really hope the board give Unsworth a chance and more than just to the International break, we will not find a more passionate and driven manager in those others mentioned, it certainly appears that he has game plans and is more tactical from what some may think listening to his post match interview.
I know there are proven managers out there, but there is no reason with the knowledge that Unsworth has with the club and the current players that he cant do a job for us, and if he does get a decent run of games showing improvement as last night, then fuck it...give him a crack.
This bollocks about we wont attract top quality players because we don't have a top tier manager is exactly that...bollocks, this is when Walsh proves his worth and finds us some gems as he did for Leicester.
Also I really want to see Unsworth in place when Bolassie, Barkley and Coleman are back, as they are perfect for his style of play.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: boothill on October 26, 2017, 06:18:12 PM
John Ebbrell - class of '84 Lilleshall original

Kendall rated him
The day he done mcmahan when he tried to do ebbrell, classic, right in front of me, you could hear the shithouse scream
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: BlueForYou on October 26, 2017, 06:21:08 PM
Ebbrell - '95 dog of war
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Macca77 on October 26, 2017, 07:46:36 PM
Dyche is having a presser now, might get asked some interesting questions
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Waltzer on October 26, 2017, 07:55:51 PM
Dyche is having a presser now, might get asked some interesting questions

Out of all the options available hes the lowest on my list, would rather give Unsworth the job till the end of the season if the other option is Dyche
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: ynotd on October 26, 2017, 08:05:40 PM
Louis Van Gaal
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: everton1952 on October 26, 2017, 08:21:05 PM
If they decide not to give Unsworth an extended run I would rather have Dyche than some foreign manager from outside the PL, and probably unfamiliar with our club and its current players. 
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Bluedylan on October 26, 2017, 08:29:05 PM
If they decide not to give Unsworth an extended run I would rather have Dyche than some foreign manager from outside the PL, and probably unfamiliar with our club and its current players. 

I'll have a pint please.

I'm assuming that shout is coming directly from an alehouse? Let's just get the best manager we can, regardless of nationality.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 26, 2017, 08:41:19 PM
I really want it to be unsworth now. We go down the big name route and we are still the 7th most attractive team in England.
I want our identity to be aggressive pressing football with a club determained to sign the best young players and give them a chance. That's our gap in the market. Ancolotti or his type makes little sense cos he won't attract a single player who any above us wanted anyway.
Unsworth doesn't "get us" he is us. He should be given every opportunity to secure the job permanently. Think there's maybe only silva on the list who I'd prefer now rather than give unsworth an extended trial
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Waltzer on October 26, 2017, 08:51:57 PM
I really want it to be unsworth now. We go down the big name route and we are still the 7th most attractive team in England.
I want our identity to be aggressive pressing football with a club determained to sign the best young players and give them a chance. That's our gap in the market. Ancolotti or his type makes little sense cos he won't attract a single player who any above us wanted anyway.
Unsworth doesn't "get us" he is us. He should be given every opportunity to secure the job permanently. Think there's maybe only silva on the list who I'd prefer now rather than give unsworth an extended trial

I get where you're coming from but I dont really see a great deal of difference between Giggs, Neville and Unsworth with regards to credentials for getting the job, with the exception that 2 of them have been laughed out of the forum and one hasnt, because 'he is us'?
Not trying to be argumentative as I hope he does do well, I just dont think we should let it cloud our vision when appointing a new manager as I can bet my bottom dollar Poch didnt get Spurs when he first walked in, but I bet there are no Spurs fans who'd swap him now. We need to remove the emotion and get the best person available as im sure, as a professional, every manager we get will have the same desire to succeed as the other. Also, success builds popularity and theres a reason some managers are more sought after than others, because they generally bring success, nothing is guaranteed but if you have someone with a nailed on track record that wants to come and is willing to be part of this then it'd be criminal not to give it to them over someone that has potential and gets us.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 26, 2017, 08:57:39 PM
surely the difference is they failed in lesser roles while unsworth excelled? That seems like a massive difference.

I think the reality is we don't really know about unsworth but we want to believe he has the ability to be a great manager and the signs while nowhere near conclusive from his u23s team are good/
I'm not suggesting we give him a 5 year contract today. Just we give him a couple of months minimum to see what he's got. Who on the list are we so confident in that committing to 5 years of them is less risky to seeing a few games of unsworth? There's very few I think are that great I'd want them snapping up now. Perhaps only silva who I know much about and he's probably utterly unrealistic in the short term
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: di_guyo on October 26, 2017, 08:58:58 PM
I get where you're coming from but I dont really see a great deal of difference between Giggs, Neville and Unsworth with regards to credentials for getting the job, with the exception that 2 of them have been laughed out of the forum and one hasnt, because 'he is us'?
Not trying to be argumentative as I hope he does do well, I just dont think we should let it cloud our vision when appointing a new manager as I can bet my bottom dollar Poch didnt get Spurs when he first walked in, but I bet there are no Spurs fans who'd swap him now. We need to remove the emotion and get the best person available as im sure, as a professional, every manager we get will have the same desire to succeed as the other. Also, success builds popularity and theres a reason some managers are more sought after than others, because they generally bring success, nothing is guaranteed but if you have someone with a nailed on track record that wants to come and is willing to be part of this then it'd be criminal not to give it to them over someone that has potential and gets us.

Done a cracking job with the under 23s.
Knows the club, what we're about, and is passionate about the club.
Has a relationship with existing coaches and staff.
Knows the existing players, their limitations, strengths etc.
Knows the youth players, whether they've got potential or not, how to manage them, how ready they are.
Reportedly wanted by a number of existing players.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: BlueNoseMike on October 26, 2017, 09:09:46 PM
If they decide not to give Unsworth an extended run I would rather have Dyche than some foreign manager from outside the PL, and probably unfamiliar with our club and its current players. 

I think Dyche would be a safe and familiar option, in the same way that Koeman and to a lesser extent Martinez and Moyes were. I want an exciting appointment, in the shape of a Silva, Tuchel, Vitoria type that for me has a higher ceiling than Dyche. Maybe I'm more excited about the mystique of a foreign manager, I don't know.

Maybe now might not be the best time to take a risk, I'd give it Unsworth for an extended period and then evaluate.

If we are to aim at the top 6 then surely we need a manager/coach that is equal to them. As good as Dyche has been, I don't get that vibe. In fact there's not many, if any, I get that vibe from in this country, which is why I disagree with you about dismissing anyone from abroad. Outside the top 6, the quality required to take us to the next step doesn't appear to be already in England.*

Take a chance on a Tuchel, I've warmed to this idea.



*not to say there aren't good young managers here at the moment

Silva has obviously impressed but I'd like to see how Watford's season pans out to see if he can be the real deal

Wagner is impressing, but is inexperienced.

Santo at Wolves has impressed me, and he probably has a similar pedigree to Silva overseas. Again, see how Wolves get on.



And I'm not completely bashing young English coaches, Howe has done brilliantly and Gary Rowett was building a decent reputation before being unfairly sacked at the mess of a club that is Birmingham. Just none of them are that elite level like the top 6 have. Dyche himself is good

Our best bet is to find our version of a Poch, a young, hungry manager with great tactical understanding and has grown a reputation on the continent but is not quite at the elite level yet. For me Dyche is not that
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: nsno on October 26, 2017, 09:10:30 PM
I get where you're coming from but I dont really see a great deal of difference between Giggs, Neville and Unsworth with regards to credentials for getting the job, with the exception that 2 of them have been laughed out of the forum and one hasnt, because 'he is us'?
Not trying to be argumentative as I hope he does do well, I just dont think we should let it cloud our vision wohen appointing a new manager as I can bet my bottom dollar Poch didnt get Spurs when he first walked in, but I bet there are no Spurs fans who'd swap him now. We need to remove the emotion and get the best person available as im sure, as a professional, every manager we get will have the same desire to succeed as the other. Also, success builds popularity and theres a reason some managers are more sought after than others, because they generally bring success, nothing is guaranteed but if you have someone with a nailed on track record that wants to come and is willing to be part of this then it'd be criminal not to give it to them over someone that has potential and gets us.
The reason I wouldn't want giggs is the fact he was apparently snidey behind moyes' back at United, which tells me he isn't trustworthy. Would he make a good manager? Probably but Everton isn't the place for him to cut his teeth, he needs to drop into the championship, same for Phil Neville.

I also don't get the hype around silva, too similar to Martinez for me and he will be found out by xmas time.  In the long run we need an experienced manager who knows the league to take us back to being a consistent top 8 premier league team, which we haven't been since moyes' tenure.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: GoodisonPk on October 26, 2017, 09:28:48 PM
Unsworth for the season. Then splash the cash on a big manager. One who can attract players who has contacts to do so. Pay overs for him but make it the right choice.

The next appointment is crucial. Get this one wrong money or not could set us back another 5 years.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Macca77 on October 26, 2017, 09:29:05 PM
Giggs would be a shite manager, the same as Gary Neville was.

Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 26, 2017, 09:41:30 PM
Unsworth for the season. Then splash the cash on a big manager. One who can attract players who has contacts to do so. Pay overs for him but make it the right choice.

The next appointment is crucial. Get this one wrong money or not could set us back another 5 years.

I really do think managers attracting players is a bit of a myth. Take Moyes for instance. It's levelled at him that he couldn't attract players at Utd..... bale who decided to go to Real Madrid and fabregas who stayed at Barcelona. I just don't think Moyes being manager was the big factor it was made out to be. Who did we sign because of koemans name? I just don't see any name attracting players that the top 6 want until we bridge the gap financially and on the pitch
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: GoodisonPk on October 26, 2017, 10:09:15 PM
I really do think managers attracting players is a bit of a myth. Take Moyes for instance. It's levelled at him that he couldn't attract players at Utd..... bale who decided to go to Real Madrid and fabregas who stayed at Barcelona. I just don't think Moyes being manager was the big factor it was made out to be. Who did we sign because of koemans name? I just don't see any name attracting players that the top 6 want until we bridge the gap financially and on the pitch

Don't disagree with you. I guess the balance is is needed between being a dogs of war club which seemingly is what we do best and is part of our DNA and getting someone who can take us to the next level. Unsworth, Dyche etc would end up long term keeping us stuck in the former.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Audrey Horne on October 26, 2017, 10:52:00 PM
got my heart set on Tuchel.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: boothill on October 26, 2017, 10:57:22 PM
This tuchel, whats the big deal ? Hes won a cup in germany with a biggish team, cant see the attraction myself, the prem is a total different animal all together, if you havnt got an experience of it or a squad of world class players you will struggle, just look across the park, ok they turn us over regular, but they're nowt special
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Paddockoldie on October 26, 2017, 11:07:06 PM
Unsworth for the season. Then splash the cash on a big manager. One who can attract players who has contacts to do so. Pay overs for him but make it the right choice.

The next appointment is crucial. Get this one wrong money or not could set us back another 5 years.

That post could have been written after Martinez got binned. I want prior success at a high level so we're not a stepping stone on the  way up.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Waltzer on October 26, 2017, 11:13:13 PM
The reason I wouldn't want giggs is the fact he was apparently snidey behind moyes' back at United, which tells me he isn't trustworthy. Would he make a good manager? Probably but Everton isn't the place for him to cut his teeth, he needs to drop into the championship, same for Phil Neville.

I also don't get the hype around silva, too similar to Martinez for me and he will be found out by xmas time.  In the long run we need an experienced manager who knows the league to take us back to being a consistent top 8 premier league team, which we haven't been since moyes' tenure.

Dont get me wrong I dont want Giggs or Neville either, I was just trying to emphasise there is little difference between the 3 of them. If anything though Giggs has more experience than Unsworth having been Man U managers for 4 games and assistant manager under Van Gaal for ages, hes also knows what it takes to be the best.
Unsworths record with the U23s is good but hes also had previous goes at being manager, albeit temporary at Preston twice and never got offered the job on either occasion despite having been coaching there you a number of years!?
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Ridge on October 26, 2017, 11:13:51 PM
With regard to Silva, he's called the mini Mourinho. Largely because he did his football badges in Largs in Scotland. Same place Moyes and Ferguson went, same place Unsworth did his badges. I think he actually teaches some of B badge courses.

With regard to success in German coaching, I think you have to conclude that a good education is playing a role, given how many are finding success. It's not ones with a good network or with the same mentor, they are coming from everywhere and are increasingly young. I think we have to consider that it at least gives a very good jumping off point, and there will be some big lessons ahead.

In Germany, you often have a director of football to worry about transfers and Walsh has bought a lot of potential. But Unsworth identified DCL, he gave Beni some game time, Lookman, Davies looked more determined. And actually Rooney goals aside, most of players with goals, assists and performances played in under 23s last season. I'm excited to see what he can do with younger players bought, like Sandro, Keane, Klaassen and Vlasic, who maybe need a bit of time and varying amounts of work. Vlasic for example looked ready to play, but with more to come. Others can work their way into team and could yet become very important.

We'll likely get Gueye returning to form, Jags and Williams as a reliable centre back pairing for time being. With more belief and effort, I think we'll create and get goals, but it will need to happen fast and there isn't a lot of obvious, reliable routes in the first team from the starting point. But it could change very quickly if players start scoring, we have enough talent they could start coming from a few places.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: boothill on October 26, 2017, 11:15:29 PM
Ancelotti and mourinho are the 2 foriegners that have been a major succes, wenger to a certain degree, but look at the squads they had and inherited. The city managers were binned after a title each. This guy at watford is learnin the prem all the time, if it doesnt work out for unsy then i would go for him in the summer
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Bluedylan on October 27, 2017, 12:01:31 AM
Ancelotti and mourinho are the 2 foriegners that have been a major succes, wenger to a certain degree, but look at the squads they had and inherited. The city managers were binned after a title each. This guy at watford is learnin the prem all the time, if it doesnt work out for unsy then i would go for him in the summer

Poch, Ranieri, Benitez. There's probably others I'm forgetting.

Name some English managers who've done really well, apart from the cloggers who keep teams up until their own fans eventually grow to despise them because they can't bear to watch horrendous football and Gareth McCauley being the top scorer at the club.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: BlueForYou on October 27, 2017, 12:10:04 AM
Mini-Mourinho? That's what they call Nagelsmann! West Ham eyeing him - hang in there, Slav!

Someone asked how Pep would do with our current squad - not much different, pretty grim and would still struggle to score goals

It's looking like January or bust - whoever's in charge
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: bluenuck on October 27, 2017, 12:12:40 AM
got my heart set on Tuchel.

Literally the first post in this thread you said "go for Silva"....
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Audrey Horne on October 27, 2017, 12:14:57 AM
Literally the first post in this thread you said "go for Silva"....

Yes and my heart has changed, i dont think Silva will come now.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: bluenuck on October 27, 2017, 12:16:04 AM
Yes and my heart has changed, i dont think Silva will come now.

But the question isn't who do you think will come, it's who should we....ah whatever
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Brownie20 on October 27, 2017, 12:21:21 AM
Yes and my heart has changed, i dont think Silva will come now.

He's said as much
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: boothill on October 27, 2017, 12:22:51 AM
Poch, Ranieri, Benitez. There's probably others I'm forgetting.

Name some English managers who've done really well, apart from the cloggers who keep teams up until their own fans eventually grow to despise them because they can't bear to watch horrendous football and Gareth McCauley being the top scorer at the club.
Benitez hit the ground running with a very good squad,been all over europe since and done nowt, even with los blancos, poch aint won nowt, and ranieri, the biggest upset ever, then sacked a couple of months later. Not saying stay english read my post, just saying its not all about bring foriegners in and it will be all ok
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: boothill on October 27, 2017, 12:30:30 AM
Benitez hit the ground running with a very good squad,been all over europe since and done nowt, even with los blancos, poch aint won nowt, and ranieri, the biggest upset ever, then sacked a couple of months later. Not saying stay english read my post, just saying its not all about bring foriegners in and it will be all ok
Did to a good caretaker job at chelsea as did di matteo. But i reckon mike walker could have too with that squad
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: kramer0 on October 27, 2017, 12:33:40 AM
I think we spend way too much time worrying about what prospective players and managers have done in the past. Yeah, it's nice to see a track record, but it's hardly the best indicator of future success.

Players/managers who fit the club's culture and have demonstrated potential will always be more valuable than players/managers who don't tick either box but have done some boss stuff elsewhere.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: BlueNoseMike on October 27, 2017, 12:39:42 AM
I think we spend way too much time worrying about what prospective players and managers have done in the past. Yeah, it's nice to see a track record, but it's hardly the best indicator of future success.

Players/managers who fit the club's culture and have demonstrated potential will always be more valuable than players/managers who don't tick either box but have done some boss stuff elsewhere.

You're pretty clued up on overseas football. Anyone there or on these shores that stands out to you as the one to go for? Do you have a few you'd be happy with? Are you happy with Unsworth to go with it for the season?
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Shropshire Blue on October 27, 2017, 12:43:21 AM
Unsworth for the season. Then splash the cash on a big manager. One who can attract players who has contacts to do so. Pay overs for him but  MAKE IT THE RIGHT CHOICE.

The next appointment is crucial. Get this one wrong money or not could set us back another 5 years.
You never know who the right choice is until you look back! Every club has made 'the right choice' only to discover it wasn't! !☺
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: TheRam on October 27, 2017, 12:43:46 AM
People do realise Tuchel did a very good job before Dortmund, don't they?

Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: boothill on October 27, 2017, 12:48:05 AM
People do realise Tuchel did a very good job before Dortmund, don't they?
No better than moyes done with us
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: kramer0 on October 27, 2017, 12:48:55 AM
You're pretty clued up on overseas football. Anyone there or on these shores that stands out to you as the one to go for? Do you have a few you'd be happy with? Are you happy with Unsworth to go with it for the season?

In a vacuum, I like Tuchel. I just don't know if he's a good fit, mostly because I have no idea what the balance of power is between Moshiri/Kenwright/Walsh/the manager. I think I'd want a more organized backroom structure before making a play for someone like him.

As long as he continues to come up with coherent game plans and motivate the players, I think Unsworth is the best choice for the rest of the season.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Bluedylan on October 27, 2017, 12:49:10 AM
Benitez hit the ground running with a very good squad,been all over europe since and done nowt, even with los blancos, poch aint won nowt, and ranieri, the biggest upset ever, then sacked a couple of months later. Not saying stay english read my post, just saying its not all about bring foriegners in and it will be all ok

No-one said it was all about foreigners making it all ok, so you've made that argument up in your own head. It's about who is the best manager for the club. And most of the best managers are 'foreigners'. That's just the reality of the situation.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: TheRam on October 27, 2017, 12:58:30 AM
No better than moyes done with us

Wins away to Bayern and a progressive brand of football.

Then moving to Dortmund and winning a trophy.

Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: boothill on October 27, 2017, 12:59:01 AM
No-one said it was all about foreigners making it all ok, so you've made that argument up in your own head. It's about who is the best manager for the club. And most of the best managers are 'foreigners'. That's just the reality of the situation.
Ive not seen 1 post promoting a british manager/coach, so im not making anything up, speaking from experience , our last 2 managers have been foriegn and its gone badly wrong. As with a host of clubs in the league. They are only as good as the squad they inherit or put together, even jose got the bullet and hes the top dog
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: dazfrancis on October 27, 2017, 01:00:55 AM
Anyone else not really excited by the thought of any of the candidates?

I'm probably more excited by Unsworth and that is mostly me thinking with my heart not my head
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: boothill on October 27, 2017, 01:01:19 AM
Wins away to Bayern and a progressive brand of football.

Then moving to Dortmund and winning a trophy.
Ram, 1 cup with probably the 2nd biggest club in germany ?
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: kramer0 on October 27, 2017, 01:03:09 AM
Wins away to Bayern and a progressive brand of football.

Then moving to Dortmund and winning a trophy.

A lot of strategic versatility, too.

http://bundesligafanatic.com/tuchel-modern-tactics-mainz05/ (http://bundesligafanatic.com/tuchel-modern-tactics-mainz05/)

He's not purely into counter-pressing like Klopp or Schmidt.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: boothill on October 27, 2017, 01:04:29 AM
Anyone else not really excited by the thought of any of the candidates?

I'm probably more excited by Unsworth and that is mostly me thinking with my heart not my head
If it doesnt work out with unsy, i would like the bloke at watford, he's learning his trade and getting experience there
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: GLewis on October 27, 2017, 01:12:59 AM
Ram, 1 cup with probably the 2nd biggest club in germany ?

Mainz are a tiny club compared to us, getting them into Europe was a very good achievement.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: velimski on October 27, 2017, 01:14:48 AM
15/16 season at Dortmund......2nd in the league, runners up in the German cup and quarter finalist in the Europa league.
16/17 season at Dortmund......3rd in the league, won the German cup and quarter finalist in the Champions league.

I think he has some idea of what he's doing.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: gizzblue on October 27, 2017, 01:19:54 AM
Let's not replace Unsy till he's proved he's not the right man for the job ...which I honestly doubt he will 😅..what foreign import or Burnley /Watford exile could be better than a man who knows every bit of the club .

In Rhino we trust .
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: hill135 on October 27, 2017, 01:21:13 AM
He’s clearly a good manager. People are just questioning whether his Dortmund record is par for the course.

I don’t know the answer but I watched them a fair bit and their play was very aggressive and exciting but they leaked goals like it was going out of fashion.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: boothill on October 27, 2017, 01:22:21 AM
15/16 season at Dortmund......2nd in the league, runners up in the German cup and quarter finalist in the Europa league.
16/17 season at Dortmund......3rd in the league, won the German cup and quarter finalist in the Champions league.

I think he has some idea of what he's doing.
Of course he does, but in germany, its a hell of a lot harder to achieve over here, didnt klopp win the league with them and get into several finals ? Done nothing here though
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: boothill on October 27, 2017, 01:24:16 AM
He's clearly a good manager. People are just questioning whether his Dortmund record is par for the course.

I don't know the answer but I watched them a fair bit and their play was very aggressive and exciting but they leaked goals like it was going out of fashion.
Remind you of a team not that far from us ?
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Topper on October 27, 2017, 01:29:31 AM
I think its because our game has went so 'continental' with so many foreign players brought in from the 90's on  we have very few top British managers and it's is probably down to the fact they are not being given a chance at clubs too.  Ferguson was the last really successful manager but he had been there since the mid 80's and was given a chance.  I just have to look at the current English manager and think if he is the top man for the job it just shows how poor the choices are as I wouldn't have him anywhere near Everton never mind attemping to win a national trophy.

Kenwright was saying that all our successful manager have been ex blues and I totally get that but times have massively changed.  Thats like saying all our top players/goal scorers/ record buys have all been British players but that hasnt been the case for a long time.  Im not saying we must have a foreign coach I just think that British coaches aren't getting the chances they deserve but is that for a reason.  Yes they cant all be bad but not one English manager has won the Premiership and with the current top teams and their managers I cant see that trend changing for a long time.

Many saw Giggs being 'groomed' for the United job serving along with Moyes and van Gaal but they opted for the bigger name to try and bring them success, a bit like Guardiola and Conte.  In a way I would rather Unsy cut his teeth at a lower division club and got into proper first team action, a bit like Scholes was talked about going to Oldham to do.  I just think in the situation we are in it might be a bit too big for Unsy with just a couple of seasons of the under 23's under his belt.  Im not saying he wont do it for us in the future I would just like him to be our number 2 for a few seasons to gain a bit of experience around the first team and then perhaps move into the top job.

I don't want to sound defeatist but at the beginning it is usually good as its fresh, its a change and the players react however after a couple of months it does tend to become stale.  Im just a bit worried in the difference of playing young players who want to play and progress in the reserves to the first team than big name pros earning big dosh who may have an attitude problem. I just am afraid that we give Unsy the job and realise in a few months it is too big for him and come the end of the season we are in a situaution where disgruntled fans are calling for him to get the chop.

Say in Jan we are willing to spend 30/40 million to get a striker,  with the greatest of respect would a top striker looking at our present situation and Unsy as manager look at us and think there is a team going forward or if we had the likes of an Ancelotti/Tuchel/Silva (even Benizez) Im sure its a different scenario as they would see us as ambitious and a club moving in the right direction.

I just hope we make the right choice
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Bluedylan on October 27, 2017, 01:39:02 AM
Remind you of a team not that far from us ?

Much as he's a crowd pleasing, attention seeking bellend, I'd take getting in the Champions League and two cup finals myself like.

Don't you just want the best, most qualified man for the job? Surely that's the only thing that matters. How we decide what that is, is a matter of opinion obviously but domestic managers just haven't been good enough and the few times that they've been given chances at larger clubs they've failed fairly spectacularly in recent years. If they were good enough, the big clubs would be hiring them.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: van der Meyde on October 27, 2017, 01:44:18 AM
In a way I would rather Unsy cut his teeth at a lower division club and got into proper first team action, a bit like Scholes was talked about going to Oldham to do.

...

Im just a bit worried in the difference of playing young players who want to play and progress in the reserves to the first team than big name pros earning big dosh who may have an attitude problem.
I think that last bit explains pretty well why experience at a lower level wouldn't be worth that much personally.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Macca77 on October 27, 2017, 01:47:49 AM
SSN say Paul Clement has ruled himself out, was he ever on the list? Or is it the Ancelotti link he means
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Ridge on October 27, 2017, 01:59:28 AM
Dont get me wrong I dont want Giggs or Neville either, I was just trying to emphasise there is little difference between the 3 of them. If anything though Giggs has more experience than Unsworth having been Man U managers for 4 games and assistant manager under Van Gaal for ages, hes also knows what it takes to be the best.
Unsworths record with the U23s is good but hes also had previous goes at being manager, albeit temporary at Preston twice and never got offered the job on either occasion despite having been coaching there you a number of years!?

Neither had the management experience Unsworth has now. Over last 3 years, Unsworth has managed under 23s and won trophies, Neville and Giggs were pundits, owners and did nothing in a managerial position, just coaching.

Giggs had a total of 4 games in management, struggled with pressure and became assistant manager, then talked himself out of the Swansea job.

Neville took over Valencia and was giving Koeman's record a run for his money. But he came through English coaching as far as I'm aware, he was doing punditry, working on his club project, tv show, coaching for national team.

Neither were actually managing a team and when it came to doing that, they failed miserably and given development route it's not surprising.

While I can list lots of successful promotions of youth managers across europe, hard to think of ones that have gone from long term assistant manager to manager and been success.

I'm not saying assistant manager is bad experience, but it's no place to dwell for an aspiring manager, you're out the game, don't have the authority, responsibility or risk. People like Shakespeare that people like to reference had 9 years experience as assistant manager. I think they can tweak some things at start, but then they no longer have much of a plan to improve or develop beyond that.

The most popular choice on the list Tuchel, came through after several years as youth manager at Ausgburg and Mainz and has just left Dortmund after 2 years, due to disputes with board.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on October 27, 2017, 01:59:50 AM
I'd take getting in the Champions League and two cup finals myself like.

David Moyes here we come.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: bluenuck on October 27, 2017, 02:51:48 AM
Much as he's a crowd pleasing, attention seeking bellend, I'd take getting in the Champions League and two cup finals myself like.

Leaking goals and not caring about it isn't exactly the most sustainable way to continuously achieve this though. They will struggle to get top 4 this season, and are most likely not going to win anything or get even close.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Jimmywhack on October 27, 2017, 03:42:19 AM
Had a few quid on Allardyce at 12s
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: The Analog Kid on October 27, 2017, 02:21:04 PM
One paper reporting that Chelsea are supposedly lining up Ancelotti to replace Conte. Where the fuck’s Conte going?
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Jimmywhack on October 27, 2017, 02:22:30 PM
One paper reporting that Chelsea are supposedly lining up Ancelotti to replace Conte. Where the fuck’s Conte going?
Here, Obviously
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: The Analog Kid on October 27, 2017, 02:23:25 PM
Here, Obviously

Ohhhh yeah. 🙄
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Bluedylan on October 27, 2017, 02:26:50 PM
One paper reporting that Chelsea are supposedly lining up Ancelotti to replace Conte. Where the fuck’s Conte going?

Back to Italy, where his missus and kids still live I think (or that was the case last season anyway)
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: The Analog Kid on October 27, 2017, 02:29:47 PM
Back to Italy, where his missus and kids still live I think (or that was the case last season anyway)

Not as good as Jimmy’s answer but thanks anyway.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Hawkandro on October 27, 2017, 02:46:26 PM
SSN say Paul Clement has ruled himself out, was he ever on the list? Or is it the Ancelotti link he means

Not sure, but one of the Ancelotti stories had him only coming if he could install Clement as his No.2.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Hawkandro on October 27, 2017, 02:46:48 PM
One paper reporting that Chelsea are supposedly lining up Ancelotti to replace Conte. Where the fuck’s Conte going?

AC Milan, probably.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Waltzer on October 27, 2017, 02:47:59 PM
Im with Bellew on this one, lets ramp up the pressure on Moshiri to open the purse strings!!

Tony Bellew has urged Everton to "break the bank" and attempt to lure Atletico Madrid manager Diego Simeone to Goodison Park as Ronald Koeman's replacement.

Koeman was sacked by the Toffees on Monday after a dismal run of form that has seen the Merseyside club slip into the Premier League relegation zone, while qualification from the Europa League group stage looks unlikely.

Names such as Sean Dyche, Phil Neville and Ryan Giggs have been suggested to replace former Southampton boss Koeman, but Bellew has other ideas.

Boxer Bellew, a well-known Everton fan, wrote in his Metro column that the Toffees should splash out £250,000 a week on Simeone and offer the Argentinian manager a huge £300million war chest of owner Farhad Moshiri's money.

"Why not go and break the bank and get Diego Simeone? Offer him £250,000 a week and give him a £300million war chest," Bellew said. "Then let’s see how serious we really are. Simeone has completed his process at Atletico Madrid.

"He needs a new project and what’s better than Everton in the Premier League? Big fan base, a team with money. I’m not too sure who is available at the moment, but I’m desperate to see what happens now.

Simeone, 47, has gained major success at Atletico during his six-year spell as manager, most notably seeing off competition from Real Madrid and Barcelona to hold aloft the 2013-14 La Liga trophy.

Two Champions League finals and a Europa League winners' medal shows just what he is capable of, but it remains to be seen if Everton can lure him to Merseyside with his contract set to expire in June 2020.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Audrey Horne on October 27, 2017, 03:06:49 PM
hahahahahahahahahahahhaahahha as if.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Waltzer on October 27, 2017, 03:11:53 PM
hahahahahahahahahahahhaahahha as if.

Yep, I liked his optimism but maybe a pinch of reality is required!!? Although in fairness I haven't heard Simeone rule himself out yet so there might be a chance......
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Glory on October 27, 2017, 03:12:53 PM
Why the fuck would he come here?
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 27, 2017, 03:13:21 PM
Im with Bellew on this one, lets ramp up the pressure on Moshiri to open the purse strings!!

Tony Bellew has urged Everton to "break the bank" and attempt to lure Atletico Madrid manager Diego Simeone to Goodison Park as Ronald Koeman's replacement.

Koeman was sacked by the Toffees on Monday after a dismal run of form that has seen the Merseyside club slip into the Premier League relegation zone, while qualification from the Europa League group stage looks unlikely.

Names such as Sean Dyche, Phil Neville and Ryan Giggs have been suggested to replace former Southampton boss Koeman, but Bellew has other ideas.

Boxer Bellew, a well-known Everton fan, wrote in his Metro column that the Toffees should splash out £250,000 a week on Simeone and offer the Argentinian manager a huge £300million war chest of owner Farhad Moshiri's money.

"Why not go and break the bank and get Diego Simeone? Offer him £250,000 a week and give him a £300million war chest," Bellew said. "Then let’s see how serious we really are. Simeone has completed his process at Atletico Madrid.

"He needs a new project and what’s better than Everton in the Premier League? Big fan base, a team with money. I’m not too sure who is available at the moment, but I’m desperate to see what happens now.

Simeone, 47, has gained major success at Atletico during his six-year spell as manager, most notably seeing off competition from Real Madrid and Barcelona to hold aloft the 2013-14 La Liga trophy.

Two Champions League finals and a Europa League winners' medal shows just what he is capable of, but it remains to be seen if Everton can lure him to Merseyside with his contract set to expire in June 2020.

Did someone pay bellow to write this nonsense. Why not 500k a week and a billion for players?? Where's bellows ambition
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Lxxx on October 27, 2017, 03:16:04 PM
Our next manager probably isn't going to be someone with a hugely impressive CV. We're in a worse situation than when we appointed Koeman and top manager's will maybe pass us over.

I don't think it's lacking in ambition if we give it to Unsworth until the end of the season. Sometimes you stumble upon a formula which maybe shouldn't work but does for whatever reason. The next week or so might give us an indication if this might be so.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: BlueForYou on October 27, 2017, 03:30:58 PM
We have to prove we have ambition and once the new ground is built in all its glory, we can show Simeone the colour of our money - I agree, he should be our aim

Until such time, Tommy it is - touche!

Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: TheTone on October 27, 2017, 03:53:46 PM
Why the fuck would he come here?

the weather of course
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Macca77 on October 27, 2017, 04:14:31 PM
Ill put an end to this right now, Simeone won't come here.

Next.....
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Ramjam on October 27, 2017, 04:52:16 PM
Offer the deal to the Poch, look what he’s done at Spurs and yes they are still bridesmaids who’ve won fuck all but he knows the league inside out, wouldn’t be adverse to him bringing a couple of the Tottenham lads with him either. What you recon Bellew?
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Hawkandro on October 27, 2017, 06:36:52 PM
We should offer it to Howard Kendall.

Get Moshiri to build a time-machine and go back in time 35 years. Why hasn't he done this yet?
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: blue slug on October 27, 2017, 10:52:02 PM
don't know if already posted but the echo have big sam saying dyche ideal for everton
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: bigac on October 28, 2017, 01:10:19 AM
don't know if already posted but the echo have big sam saying dyche ideal for everton
Its the carthorse appreciation society.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: blue slug on October 28, 2017, 01:16:50 AM
Would definitely have unsworth over the likes of fat Sam, dyche, giggs and Neville that's for sure
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: ally2 on October 28, 2017, 01:28:34 AM
We should offer it to Howard Kendall.

Get Moshiri to build a time-machine and go back in time 35 years. Why hasn't he done this yet?

No ambition obvs
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 28, 2017, 02:41:07 AM
Would definitely have unsworth over the likes of fat Sam, dyche, giggs and Neville that's for sure

And twice on Sunday!

/we do play on Sunday a metric fuckton, or as you Brits would call it, a fuckton (or a bunch of stone I guess)
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: toffee_scot on October 28, 2017, 03:14:33 AM
For the moment, I am quite happy for the board to take quite a bit of time not just to review managerial but also to really decide what kind of direction football-wise they want the club to go. In the meantime, if Unsworth picks up some very good results and we find ourselves winning a few games then I would be happy to extend Unsworth's spell as manager.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: KingOfNapaValley on October 28, 2017, 06:24:07 AM
Glad to see Silva and Tuchel are the top picks. Some of the other choices are lunacy.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Jamokachi on October 28, 2017, 07:39:39 AM
Im with Bellew on this one, lets ramp up the pressure on Moshiri to open the purse strings!!

Tony Bellew has urged Everton to "break the bank" and attempt to lure Atletico Madrid manager Diego Simeone to Goodison Park as Ronald Koeman's replacement.

Koeman was sacked by the Toffees on Monday after a dismal run of form that has seen the Merseyside club slip into the Premier League relegation zone, while qualification from the Europa League group stage looks unlikely.

Names such as Sean Dyche, Phil Neville and Ryan Giggs have been suggested to replace former Southampton boss Koeman, but Bellew has other ideas.

Boxer Bellew, a well-known Everton fan, wrote in his Metro column that the Toffees should splash out £250,000 a week on Simeone and offer the Argentinian manager a huge £300million war chest of owner Farhad Moshiri's money.

"Why not go and break the bank and get Diego Simeone? Offer him £250,000 a week and give him a £300million war chest," Bellew said. "Then let’s see how serious we really are. Simeone has completed his process at Atletico Madrid.

"He needs a new project and what’s better than Everton in the Premier League? Big fan base, a team with money. I’m not too sure who is available at the moment, but I’m desperate to see what happens now.

Simeone, 47, has gained major success at Atletico during his six-year spell as manager, most notably seeing off competition from Real Madrid and Barcelona to hold aloft the 2013-14 La Liga trophy.

Two Champions League finals and a Europa League winners' medal shows just what he is capable of, but it remains to be seen if Everton can lure him to Merseyside with his contract set to expire in June 2020.

One too many knocks to the head, Bellew lad.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: BlueForYou on October 28, 2017, 03:06:45 PM
Bellew is right - just 3-5 years too early

In the meantime, we'll just have to take a few more body blows - painful

 
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Gash on October 28, 2017, 03:31:57 PM
Has Bellew become some sort of self appointed voice of the fans? Seems like every time something happens at the club Sky wheel him out to give his opinion.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: BlueForYou on October 28, 2017, 03:41:40 PM
Thinking ahead, lining up his next job - media

Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Toddacelli on October 28, 2017, 03:50:12 PM
Ive not seen 1 post promoting a british manager/coach, so im not making anything up, speaking from experience , our last 2 managers have been foriegn and its gone badly wrong. As with a host of clubs in the league. They are only as good as the squad they inherit or put together, even jose got the bullet and hes the top dog

You must have missed me suggesting Chris Hughton then. I think he's a good coach and communicator and seems to conduct himself well and with class, which we always enjoy here.

I don't think anyone took me seriously at the time, but in that article someone posted about the Sheffield United manager, Hughton was about 5th on the list in terms of win percentages.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Toddacelli on October 28, 2017, 03:58:35 PM
Also, not sure why the "foreign manager" "British/English" manager" terms are still being thrown around.

Are we not past this yet? Surely we all just want the best person for the job. If they speak English and communicate well with the players - who gives a fuck?

We don't do it for any other position at the cub. When did anyone ever say - "Yeah but do we really want a foreign left-back? There's plenty of English left-backs who aren't given a fair go just because they're shit."

It's a little bit ridiculous.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Bally on October 28, 2017, 04:46:30 PM
Has Bellew become some sort of sell appointed voice of the fans? Seems like every time something happens at the club Sky wheel him out to give his opinion.
Perfect Clickbait
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: boothill on October 28, 2017, 06:18:09 PM
You must have missed me suggesting Chris Hughton then. I think he's a good coach and communicator and seems to conduct himself well and with class, which we always enjoy here.

I don't think anyone took me seriously at the time, but in that article someone posted about the Sheffield United manager, Hughton was about 5th on the list in terms of win percentages.
if i remember rightly, he done a very good job at newcastle and then was treated quite badly, and was sacrificed for dennis wise or the x wimbledon manager ?
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: gizzblue on October 28, 2017, 06:29:31 PM
Also, not sure why the "foreign manager" "British/English" manager" terms are still being thrown around.

Are we not past this yet? Surely we all just want the best person for the job. If they speak English and communicate well with the players - who gives a fuck?

We don't do it for any other position at the cub. When did anyone ever say - "Yeah but do we really want a foreign left-back? There's plenty of English left-backs who aren't given a fair go just because they're shit."

It's a little bit ridiculous.
Unsworth to all of the above and youth of Britain are quality.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Ramjam on October 28, 2017, 07:32:52 PM
Fuck it is Barry Fry or Joe Kineare still available
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: The Analog Kid on October 28, 2017, 07:45:01 PM
Has Bellew become some sort of self appointed voice of the fans? Seems like every time something happens at the club Sky wheel him out to give his opinion.

I must be in a minority but I think he’s a bit of a gobshite to be honest.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 28, 2017, 08:18:44 PM
I must be in a minority but I think he’s a bit of a gobshite to be honest.

Me too. Strikes me as a chubby simpleton. Personally I hope haye batters him
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Coyb12 on October 28, 2017, 08:23:43 PM
Me too. Strikes me as a chubby simpleton. Personally I hope haye batters him
I must be in a minority but I think he’s a bit of a gobshite to be honest.
Bet you would not say that to his face.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: The Analog Kid on October 28, 2017, 08:27:29 PM
Bet you would not say that to his face.

Why do people always say this?!
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: pjk on October 28, 2017, 08:27:55 PM
I think Tony Bellew's ok. He get's the club noticed when he's doing his boxing. Up to now, it's all been positive. :)
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Coyb12 on October 28, 2017, 08:30:00 PM
Why do people always say this?!
Sometimes you need to use THIS in a sentence that is why I would imagine.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on October 28, 2017, 08:31:35 PM
Bellew is living what alot of us can only dream of, he probably can't believe it either. He's been massively fortunate, but we all know what Del boy used to say (Rodneys brother, not Dereck Chisora)
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Jimmywhack on October 28, 2017, 08:31:52 PM
I must be in a minority but I think he's a bit of a gobshite to be honest.
Quite like him tbh
You strip the bravado off he's just normal and a massive blooooo

He's honest enough to say stuff like he's fighting for the money for his family and he raises Everton exposure with every fight

All that said, I wish he had retired on a high
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 28, 2017, 09:14:41 PM
Just heard the Huddersfield Town guy is Klopp's BFF of 25 years.  HARD.  PASS.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: boothill on October 28, 2017, 09:31:47 PM
Just heard the Huddersfield Town guy is Klopp's BFF of 25 years.  HARD.  PASS.
This fella fathered the pair of them,looj at the scraggy hair
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Rodenplav64 on October 28, 2017, 09:45:48 PM
Why do people always say this?!

Because most internet warriors would say fuck all too his face .
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Ross on October 28, 2017, 09:48:23 PM
Just heard the Huddersfield Town guy is Klopp's BFF of 25 years.  HARD.  PASS.

They’ve only got wives because same sex marriage was frowned upon 25 years ago..
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: BlueBeagle on October 28, 2017, 09:58:54 PM
Bellew is living what alot of us can only dream of, he probably can't believe it either. He's been massively fortunate, but we all know what Del boy used to say (Rodneys brother, not Dereck Chisora)

You don't win 3 ABA titles as an amateur and a world title as a pro by being fortunate.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 28, 2017, 10:21:40 PM
Because most internet warriors would say fuck all too his face .

Is that the test? If you think someone is a bit of a dick you should shout it at them in the street? Doesn't seem very civilised
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Coyb12 on October 28, 2017, 10:32:20 PM
Is that the test? If you think someone is a bit of a dick you should shout it at them in the street? Doesn't seem very civilised
Neither is calling people Gobshites.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: TheRam on October 28, 2017, 10:55:04 PM
Gone off Marco silva after losing to stoke at home.

Worst team in the league Stoke mate.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 28, 2017, 10:57:34 PM
Neither is calling people Gobshites.

I think people have opinions on folk all the time that they wouldn't share with them if they happened to meet. I don't like Katie price. I wouldn't tell her to her face either and I suspect I'd probably beat her in a fight

You must get yourself in a lot of trouble if you feel the need to share all your opinions on people. Either that or you're an incredibly loving boy 
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Coyb12 on October 28, 2017, 11:43:20 PM
I think people have opinions on folk all the time that they wouldn't share with them if they happened to meet. I don't like Katie price. I wouldn't tell her to her face either and I suspect I'd probably beat her in a fight

You must get yourself in a lot of trouble if you feel the need to share all your opinions on people. Either that or you're an incredibly loving boy
I don't get in to trouble at all matey but then I don't call people Gobshites male or females it's a nasty word,but then as you say you wouldn't say it to people's faces.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: gizzblue on October 28, 2017, 11:54:23 PM
Neither is calling people Gobshites.
Unless of course they're a kopite, then you are excused.
Naturally .
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on October 29, 2017, 12:05:56 AM
You don't win 3 ABA titles as an amateur and a world title as a pro by being fortunate.

No you don't, but many ABA champions havent made a dent in the Pro game. As a pro he's dropped on, and good luck to him. I'm a Bellew fan. He was a great amateur, but for some reason decided to go pro at light heavy, and not heavy, which is where he had success as an amateur.

But if he went back down to Cruiser now he would be smashed pieces by Gassiev, Breidis etc. and would be absolutely mauled by Usyk (who would probably give the top heavyweights in the world a run foe their money) I doubt he would even be top 5 down there now? Not to mention the younger ones coming in. He knows this, he's not stupid.

Again his defence against BJ Flores, probably struggle to make the top 15 in the world.

Look at Haye, even though I predicted he would win, he got the biggest stroke of luck he will ever have in that fight. However I do think we will see a lighter more dangerous Bellew in December.

Anyway, there's a boxing thread...
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 29, 2017, 12:46:41 AM
I don't get in to trouble at all matey but then I don't call people Gobshites male or females it's a nasty word,but then as you say you wouldn't say it to people's faces.

If you think gobshite is a nasty insult then you're extremely delicate.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Coyb12 on October 29, 2017, 01:12:53 AM
Quote from: KoemansNumberTens link=topic=94834.msg1374042#msg1374042 date=1509 212801
If you think gobshite is a nasty insult then you're extremely delicate.
Calling someone  a gobshite is an insult,if you don't think it is nip into the brick next time you go the game if you do an try it with someone in there.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: The Analog Kid on October 29, 2017, 01:14:25 AM
Calling someone  a gobshite is an insult,if you don't think it is nip into the brick next time you go the game if you do an try it with someone in there.

Kopites don’t drink in The Brick

Looks like I’ve upset a couple of Sheila’s in this thread anyway.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Coyb12 on October 29, 2017, 01:16:44 AM
Kopites don’t drink in The Brick

Looks like I’ve upset a couple of Sheila’s in this thread anyway.
They do I known a few,and you haven't got the capability to upset me sweetheart.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Mayor Farnum on October 29, 2017, 01:17:44 AM
Didn't know anyone had used the term gobshite in about twenty years.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: The Analog Kid on October 29, 2017, 01:19:03 AM
They do I known a few,and you haven't got the capability to upset me sweetheart.

Ok sugar tits, I’ll leave it there. xxx
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Toddacelli on October 29, 2017, 01:24:26 AM
Didn't know anyone had used the term gobshite in about twenty years.

Type it in to google maps. Brings up Anfield. Someone on here shared that the other day so yesterday, at various times I went to each of the 4 gobshites I work with and said,
"Can you do me a favour please? Have you got Google maps open? Can I just check something quickly please?"

Then I typed in 'gobshites' and walked away - laughing once the abuse started behind me  :)
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 29, 2017, 01:27:43 AM
Calling someone  a gobshite is an insult,if you don't think it is nip into the brick next time you go the game if you do an try it with someone in there.

Of course it's an insult. It's hardly something that would scar me though. Certainly wouldn't want to fight someone for calling me a gobshite. Isn't it on a par with say dickhead?
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Ross on October 29, 2017, 01:36:17 AM
I blame the sacking of Koeman for the state of this thread.....







Ashley Williams has probably got a hand in it as well somewhere as well to be fair.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Ridge on October 29, 2017, 01:05:19 AM
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Silas on October 29, 2017, 01:21:48 AM
Suck my fat one you cheap dime store hood. Now that's an insult.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Bluedylan on October 29, 2017, 01:26:22 AM
Are we on an international break?
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Silas on October 29, 2017, 01:36:15 AM
Are we on an international break?
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Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Coyb12 on October 29, 2017, 01:48:57 AM
Of course it's an insult. It's hardly something that would scar me though. Certainly wouldn't want to fight someone for calling me a gobshite. Isn't it on a par with say dickhead?
fuck off dickhead.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 29, 2017, 03:12:53 AM
fuck off dickhead.

I'm a little upset but have no plans to fight you over it.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Rodenplav64 on October 29, 2017, 05:04:49 PM
Is that the test? If you think someone is a bit of a dick you should shout it at them in the street? Doesn't seem very civilised

Not my test mate . He asked " why do people always say that ".
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Bally on October 29, 2017, 08:52:23 PM
Not one insult in here at all, what you gonna do if I call you a cunt
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: TheTone on October 29, 2017, 09:02:15 PM
Suck my fat one you cheap dime store hood. Now that's an insult.

too much to be thinking about there if you lost the head with someone

if I said that to someone i'd actually hope I got twatted

fuck off you cunt normally does the trick, nice and simple innit
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Cozzie on October 29, 2017, 11:56:24 PM
I hope this gets people off the Unsworth gravy train.

A man with absolutely zero experience at this level and people genuinely believing he can sort this mess out. Hearts ruling heads like never before.

We need a serious appointment or we are going down.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: TheRam on October 29, 2017, 11:58:12 PM
It's gotta be dyche.

Get him in asap. Yeah it massively lacks ambition but you can't be dreaming of 'big names' when you're in a relegation battle having spent 150mil.

Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Audrey Horne on October 30, 2017, 12:01:04 AM
I don't get in to trouble at all matey but then I don't call people Gobshites male or females it's a nasty word,but then as you say you wouldn't say it to people's faces.

hahahahahaha
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: bluenuck on October 30, 2017, 12:05:32 AM
Honestly, after watching that game against Leicester, I'm starting to think It doesn't matter who we bring in. He will be given one of the worst back lines in the game and no Striker.

We're really fucked here.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Bluedylan on October 30, 2017, 12:11:23 AM
Yeah I think in hindsight Unsworth probably got the initial set-up wrong there and we were too open, although I should say I didn't criticise him when the team was announced.

We probably should've set up more like the Chelsea game with three central midfielders, being compact and not letting Leicester get that first goal, which plays into their style.

We should judge Unsworth on what happens and evidence not pre-conceived ideas. I liked the setup and changes vs Chelsea, but today's setup has cost us. Goes without saying, the Watford game is huge.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: terrydarracotsbaldpate on October 30, 2017, 12:15:14 AM
Easy to say but should have started with the second half line set up . Are there 3 worse teams than us at the moment?
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 30, 2017, 12:18:14 AM
Easy to say but should have started with the second half line set up . Are there 3 worse teams than us at the moment?

Theres not 1 worse team in the league at the moment. Weve not deserved to win a single game. Weve barely deserved a point just on the performances
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: gizzblue on October 30, 2017, 12:20:24 AM
Still think he can do it personally ...but has to grow a set of balls and show everyone who the boss is  ...we all saw the dissent Rooney showed being took off ,a week's wages fine at least  ....two games is to early to be binning any manager ...we gave Koeman 18 months ffs.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Dr. Sponge on October 30, 2017, 12:34:02 AM
I'd love Unsworth to turnout to be a boss manager at us.

That was his first lesson learnt today, hopeful he'll learn from it fast, because I like the style of play in his U23 team, it's good football.

I don't think we have the players in the squad at the moment though, certainly not for this level.

Niasse and Calvert-Lewan aren't good enough. The latter has the potential to be, but not at this age.

Kenny looks out of his depth at the moment, and Martina should never have been signed.

Baines is half the player he was and there's no backup.

Williams is a clown and Jagielka should be a backup CB in this stage of his career at a club like Everton.

Mirallas has been consistently inconsistent for 3 years.


Lookman is raw.

Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: TheTone on October 30, 2017, 12:36:05 AM
I'd love Unsworth to turnout to be a boss manager at us.

That was his first lesson learnt today, hopeful he'll learn from it fast, because I like the style of play in his U23 team, it's good football.

I don't think we have the players in the squad at the moment though, certainly not for this level.

Niasse and Calvert-Lewan aren't good enough. The latter has the potential to be, but not at this age.

Kenny looks out of his depth at the moment, and Martina should never have been signed.

Baines is half the player he was and there's no backup.

Williams is a clown and Jagielka should be a backup CB in this stage of his career at a club like Everton.

Mirallas has been consistently inconsistent for 3 years.


Lookman is raw.



well that has cheered me right up
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Trowel on October 30, 2017, 12:36:34 AM
Wrong lineup.

Wrong tactics.

Wrong substitutions.

...but the right man?
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: eugene on October 30, 2017, 12:49:03 AM
Unless of course they're a kopite, then you are excused.
Naturally .
And that’s just a given
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: blueToffee on October 30, 2017, 12:51:46 AM
I’d still get Tuchel if possible. We have a window and with some key signings and some organization/a well implemented system would still go a long way.

We look like a bunch of individuals out there. Sorting that out is the most fundamental part.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Topper on October 30, 2017, 01:17:02 AM
Even after two games unsy seems to prefer the majority of the players that he had at some stage in his u23 squad.  I know we can't judge him on 2 games but I just have a feeling he is slightly out of his depth.  He is relying on players that he knows well which is fair enough but for me personally I didn't see any improvement in the performance today. 

Yes we played well on Wednesday night but we have to remember the majority of those Chelsea players are nowhere near the 1st team squad.  Rome wasn't built in a day but I think we need an top manager and can't afford to take a risk with Unsy at the present time, perhaps down the line but it is getting slightly worrying with a -13 goal difference.  Although not worrying enough for big Sam, we need stability but we also need ambition too. 
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Mayor Farnum on October 30, 2017, 01:42:15 AM
I’d still get Tuchel if possible. We have a window and with some key signings and some organization/a well implemented system would still go a long way.

We look like a bunch of individuals out there. Sorting that out is the most fundamental part.

Foreign managers have a terrible record coming into mid-season relegation battles in the Premier League.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: BlueBeagle on October 30, 2017, 01:45:34 AM
Let's be honest,  Unsworth isn't going to get it and nor should he just on the back of a couple of seasons as a manager in a reserve league that most teams don't give a single fuck about.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Waltzer on October 30, 2017, 01:49:15 AM
It's gotta be dyche.

Get him in asap. Yeah it massively lacks ambition but you can't be dreaming of 'big names' when you're in a relegation battle having spent 150mil.
I don't see a great difference between him and big Sam, which is why id favour Sam all day as you could get him until the end of the season, Dyche would sign a 5 year deal. I could tolerate dull football for 6 months until we can get someone better, I dunno about the prospect of Dyche. Go Sam, short term loss, long term gain
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Mayor Farnum on October 30, 2017, 01:55:40 AM
If it's between Big Sam and Dyche it's got to be Sam. Neither will get you excited but one has a track record.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on October 30, 2017, 01:57:46 AM
If it's between Big Sam and Dyche it's got to be Sam. Neither will get you excited but one has a track record.

Tend to agree with this.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Waltzer on October 30, 2017, 02:02:04 AM
I take it Barton doesn't rate Unworth too much:

He said of Unsworth: “I used to watch him as an Evertonian and he was the most immobile left-back I've ever seen. He's not a manager, he doesn't look like one.

“I watched him waddling on to the coach. How can you get players to exert themselves physically when you're out of shape?

“He's a glorified PE teacher who shouldn't be in charge of a men's team. Look at him on the touchline... he's more like a steward.”

Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Goughie on October 30, 2017, 02:02:46 AM
We’re in such a mess I think Sam A is the only answer.
He’s an experienced PL manager and has shown a number of times he can set up a team to battle relegation.
Lets be honest he’s nit going to get us playing like Man City, but right now id take playing PL footie next season over style.
Think anybody else would be a risk right now.
We also need clever additions in Jan and sign players who can hit the ground running.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Waltzer on October 30, 2017, 02:06:27 AM
We're in such a mess I think Sam A is the only answer.
He's an experienced PL manager and has shown a number of times he can set up a team to battle relegation.
Lets be honest he's nit going to get us playing like Man City, but right now id take playing PL footie next season over style.
Think anybody else would be a risk right now.
We also need clever additions in Jan and sign players who can hit the ground running.
Just hope he won't try to drag Kevin Davis out of retirement!
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Mayor Farnum on October 30, 2017, 02:06:30 AM
We’re in such a mess I think Sam A is the only answer.
He’s an experienced PL manager and has shown a number of times he can set up a team to battle relegation.
Lets be honest he’s nit going to get us playing like Man City, but right now id take playing PL footie next season over style.
Think anybody else would be a risk right now.
We also need clever additions in Jan and sign players who can hit the ground running.

Yes deffo British players in January or at least foreign players who've played in the league previously.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Ridge on October 30, 2017, 02:09:13 AM
I take it Barton doesn't rate Unworth too much:

He said of Unsworth: “I used to watch him as an Evertonian and he was the most immobile left-back I've ever seen. He's not a manager, he doesn't look like one.

“I watched him waddling on to the coach. How can you get players to exert themselves physically when you're out of shape?

“He's a glorified PE teacher who shouldn't be in charge of a men's team. Look at him on the touchline... he's more like a steward.”

That's better than an endorsement, coming from Barton, makes Lee Cattermole look graceful and wise.

Making a career of saying what morons are thinking, football's very own Katie Hopkins.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on October 30, 2017, 02:09:14 AM
Yes deffo British players in January or at least foreign players who've played in the league previously.

Like Michael Keane, Wayne Rooney or Gylfi Sigurdsson?
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Lazarou on October 30, 2017, 02:09:18 AM
We need tactical discipline and a good motivator at this present moment in time. Anything else is secondary. A short term firefighter until the end of the season is perhaps needed and quick.

Koeman has destroyed this team, we are probably the most inept team in the league in any aspect of football.
What has happened to my team? I just can't see where a win is coming from.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: TheTone on October 30, 2017, 02:09:55 AM
fuck this if I have to change my profile picture again

(starts looking for Big Sam ones)  :hmph:
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Lazarou on October 30, 2017, 02:11:22 AM
fuck this if I have to change my profile picture again

(starts looking for Big Sam ones)  :hmph:
I would just go for something non Everton related for the time being.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Macca77 on October 30, 2017, 02:11:34 AM
Again please fuck off with the Allardyce shouts

Thanks
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: TheTone on October 30, 2017, 02:12:16 AM
I would just go for something non Everton related for the time being.

bird with big tits it is then
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Ridge on October 30, 2017, 02:12:33 AM
Yeah, if you're even considering Allardyce, why not go Moyes first.  :eh:
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Mayor Farnum on October 30, 2017, 02:14:48 AM
Again please fuck off with the Allardyce shouts

Thanks

Can you suggest a more suitable alternative?
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Lazarou on October 30, 2017, 02:18:52 AM
Can you suggest a more suitable alternative?
A good point who else is there with a proven record of sorting out a shower of shite? I don't like the bloke or his tactics but we need someone who knows a thing or two about these situations, in the short term at least.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 30, 2017, 02:28:04 AM
I take it Barton doesn't rate Unworth too much:

He said of Unsworth: “I used to watch him as an Evertonian and he was the most immobile left-back I've ever seen. He's not a manager, he doesn't look like one.

“I watched him waddling on to the coach. How can you get players to exert themselves physically when you're out of shape?

“He's a glorified PE teacher who shouldn't be in charge of a men's team. Look at him on the touchline... he's more like a steward.”



Opinion worth the square route of fuck all. Not a good player and chubby possibly right to some extent on both but that actually means nothing in terms of the job he's doing now.
its just complete nonsense.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Macca77 on October 30, 2017, 02:28:32 AM
Can you suggest a more suitable alternative?

Unsworth, Royle, even Moyes! Anyone but Allardyce, struggling to see any reason why anyone would want him here, awful manager
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 30, 2017, 02:29:37 AM
Like Michael Keane, Wayne Rooney or Gylfi Sigurdsson?

That's absolutely been our problem. We went proven and not good enough. All risk no reward
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Mayor Farnum on October 30, 2017, 02:32:18 AM
Unsworth, Royle, even Moyes! Anyone but Allardyce, struggling to see any reason why anyone would want him here, awful manager

What is awful about him compared to those you have mentioned. And when did Evertonians get all precious about style of play? we don't even stay to the end of matches if we are losing.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 30, 2017, 02:32:47 AM
Unsworth, Royle, even Moyes! Anyone but Allardyce, struggling to see any reason why anyone would want him here, awful manager

Whys Moyes better. He looks broken now. Failed in his last 3 jobs. I actually like alladyce. His teams are almost always better than they have been and better than they should be. I don't know how anyone can watch the shite we've watched recently and sneer at a manager with a track record.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: gizzblue on October 30, 2017, 02:33:43 AM
What is awful about him compared to those you have mentioned. And when did Evertonians get all precious about style of play? we don't even stay to the end of matches if we are losing.
Some don't I resent the we .😉
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Macca77 on October 30, 2017, 02:56:41 AM
What is awful about him compared to those you have mentioned. And when did Evertonians get all precious about style of play? we don't even stay to the end of matches if we are losing.

So you'll be happy with hoof ball footy then, happy with Pickford taking free kicks from inside our opponents half? Hes a horrible manager, one dimensional
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Macca77 on October 30, 2017, 02:58:09 AM
Whys Moyes better. He looks broken now. Failed in his last 3 jobs. I actually like alladyce. His teams are almost always better than they have been and better than they should be. I don't know how anyone can watch the shite we've watched recently and sneer at a manager with a track record.

Track record, what track record would that be then?
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: TheTone on October 30, 2017, 03:00:34 AM
So you'll be happy with hoof ball footy then, happy with Pickford taking free kicks from inside our opponents half? Hes a horrible manager, one dimensional

who did you vote for lid? went Silva myself

fucking lottery though at this stage

if we lose to Watford I can see the Big Sam shouts gaining momentum
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on October 30, 2017, 03:02:46 AM
Honestly, after watching that game against Leicester, I'm starting to think It doesn't matter who we bring in. He will be given one of the worst back lines in the game and no Striker.

We're really fucked here.
I’ve been saying for a while now that the squad just isn’t that good. The majority of teams we’ve played have better players. Leicester have better players and more options.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Macca77 on October 30, 2017, 03:03:01 AM
who did you vote for lid? went Silva myself

fucking lottery though at this stage

if we lose to Watford I can see the Big Sam shouts gaining momentum

Honestly right now I have no idea, but I do know that big Sam isn't for us
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on October 30, 2017, 03:07:46 AM
Even after two games unsy seems to prefer the majority of the players that he had at some stage in his u23 squad.  I know we can't judge him on 2 games but I just have a feeling he is slightly out of his depth.  He is relying on players that he knows well which is fair enough but for me personally I didn't see any improvement in the performance today. 

Yes we played well on Wednesday night but we have to remember the majority of those Chelsea players are nowhere near the 1st team squad.  Rome wasn't built in a day but I think we need an top manager and can't afford to take a risk with Unsy at the present time, perhaps down the line but it is getting slightly worrying with a -13 goal difference.  Although not worrying enough for big Sam, we need stability but we also need ambition too.
The board won’t be impressed that we’re playing kids that are keeping high-profile names in the bench - yet we’re still losing. We win a couple and it’s justified, we keep losing and it just makes Unsworth look as delusional as Koeman...whilst making Walsh and the board look stupid.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: BatteredCornerFlag on October 30, 2017, 03:07:55 AM
Sod all this 'proven manager' nonsense. Hull got in Marco Silva last year. No experience. Nearly saved them and now doing ace with Watford.

I wanna see us try and get Julian Nagelsmann. He'd smash it in the Premiership.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Mayor Farnum on October 30, 2017, 03:09:11 AM
So you'll be happy with hoof ball footy then, happy with Pickford taking free kicks from inside our opponents half? Hes a horrible manager, one dimensional

Ever watched our home semi v Bayern Munich? 90 minutes of corners, long throw-ins and Big Nev taking free kicks. But we won and it's soon forgotten. Football supporters don't like to admit that all they want is a winning team.

Allardyce gets the best out of what's at hand and we need that more than ever at the moment.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 30, 2017, 03:14:17 AM
So you'll be happy with hoof ball footy then, happy with Pickford taking free kicks from inside our opponents half? Hes a horrible manager, one dimensional

I just want to win
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: TheTone on October 30, 2017, 03:16:52 AM
erm, still 6 points off of 8th like

I'll still shit my kecks if we get beat next week though
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: bluenuck on October 30, 2017, 03:23:28 AM
Ever watched our home semi v Bayern Munich? 90 minutes of corners, long throw-ins and Big Nev taking free kicks. But we won and it's soon forgotten. Football supporters don't like to admit that all they want is a winning team.

Allardyce gets the best out of what's at hand and we need that more than ever at the moment.

It's sucks, it really does, but I'm starting to see that allardyce might just be what we need at this very moment.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on October 30, 2017, 03:46:56 AM
erm, still 6 points off of 8th like

I'll still shit my kecks if we get beat next week though
We need 30 points (10 wins) to stay up - do we look capable of getting 10 wins in 28 games?
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Rhys on October 30, 2017, 03:56:43 AM
Foreign managers have a terrible record coming into mid-season relegation battles in the Premier League.

That could also be to do with that most coming in wouldnt necessarily be very good managers or be coming in much later in the season, with poorer squads and expectations. I know our squad has problems but there still some very good players in there performing badly.

Someone like Tuchel, and I still dont think he will want to come, is a very good manager on the shortlist of people like Bayern and Chelsea for next managers. Plus he could have say 27 games if he got the job during the international break which is plenty of time to get a team much higher up the table rather than putting someone in with 8 games to go and hoping they get to grips quickly.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: everton1952 on October 30, 2017, 04:06:03 AM
We need 30 points (10 wins) to stay up - do we look capable of getting 10 wins in 28 games?
No we don't, but 7 wins and 9 draws might be easier. I think that is realistic provided we get a manager with know how.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on October 30, 2017, 04:12:26 AM
It's mad how we all thought it was bad in 11th place with Martinez.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: blueToffee on October 30, 2017, 04:16:36 AM
We need 30 points (10 wins) to stay up - do we look capable of getting 10 wins in 28 games?

Bit of a scary thought. Only thing that helps me be totally non despondent is that applies to the teams around us too. Equally a tough task for Swansea, Stoke, etc. We just need to stay in touch with most and hope we can fix things in January.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 30, 2017, 04:16:55 AM
It's mad how we all thought it was bad in 11th place with Martinez.

It was spiralling. Don't think the 11th was really the problem. It was that it was getting worse and the manager was in complete denial
Least unsworth seems to know it's shit.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 30, 2017, 04:17:57 AM
Bit of a scary thought. Only thing that helps me be totally non despondent is that applies to the teams around us too. Equally a tough task for Swansea, Stoke, etc. We just need to stay in touch with most and hope we can fix things in January.

How the fuck do we fix it though. We don't seem capable. Couldn't get a striker when we were a team on the up. We'll be shopping in a much crappier market in the new year.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: everton1952 on October 30, 2017, 04:20:29 AM
I would hate to be Bill making this decision. When he got Koeman he must have thought he would not face this dilemma again during his reign, or maybe for a very long time at least. I hope his health is up to the strain. The odd camera flash of his face recently shows a very unhappy man, just like the rest of us.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Coyb12 on October 30, 2017, 04:23:01 AM
Sam Allardyce will be in by the weekend.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: GLewis on October 30, 2017, 04:23:14 AM
How the fuck do we fix it though. We don't seem capable. Couldn't get a striker when we were a team on the up. We'll be shopping in a much crappier market in the new year.

We were after a very specific striker in the summer which reduced the number of potential targets.

We’re at the point now though where anyone half decent, of any style, will be a massive upgrade.

Also, new manager can actually work on improving players like Sandro by doing some “coaching” etc.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on October 30, 2017, 04:27:41 AM
It was spiralling. Don't think the 11th was really the problem. It was that it was getting worse and the manager was in complete denial
Least unsworth seems to know it's shit.

A spiralling Martinez side sounds like an improvement though.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: GLewis on October 30, 2017, 04:28:10 AM
A spiralling Martinez side sounds like an improvement though.

With Lukaku in it, yes.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on October 30, 2017, 04:29:28 AM
With Lukaku in it, yes.

I'd take Arouna Kone at the minute.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: blueToffee on October 30, 2017, 04:36:29 AM
We were after a very specific striker in the summer which reduced the number of potential targets.

We’re at the point now though where anyone half decent, of any style, will be a massive upgrade.

Also, new manager can actually work on improving players like Sandro by doing some “coaching” etc.

You do wonder how much coaching has gone on with these players. Or at least to what level. There are quite few you think would improve under an astitute, hands on manager with half decent communication skills and an identifiable way of playing. Or at the least, make them look/behave like a team.

We should hire a Chinook helicopter and drop 10 mil at Tuchel’s door at this point.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: blueski on October 30, 2017, 04:42:23 AM
I do worry about a Tuchel or Ancellotti to be fair

They are big enough names that they could come here to a team in the relegation zone and fail here, take a massive payout from Moshiri and still get another job.

I'd say we should be getting somebody who's going to be committed enough and have enough to lose to put 110% into the job. Of course the flip side of that is a less established person has less of a track record and could find the task just too big for their skills

Massively difficult decision for Moshiri
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on October 30, 2017, 04:42:39 AM
What’s Tuchel’s style of play?
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on October 30, 2017, 04:46:44 AM
I do worry about a Tuchel or Ancellotti to be fair

They are big enough names that they could come here to a team in the relegation zone and fail here, take a massive payout from Moshiri and still get another job.

I'd say we should be getting somebody who's going to be committed enough and have enough to lose to put 110% into the job. Of course the flip side of that is a less established person has less of a track record and could find the task just too big for their skills

Massively difficult decision for Moshiri
If we lose to Watford (assuming we haven’t made an appointment by then) then I genuinely think we’ll go for Big Sam or Dyche...and however unglamorous, they’d probably be the right people for the job.

I expect us up lose to Watford, BTW.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 30, 2017, 04:48:14 AM
I'd take Arouna Kone at the minute.

Frighteningly he's another who's better than anything we've currently got
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: blueToffee on October 30, 2017, 04:53:16 AM
What’s Tuchel’s style of play?

http://outsideoftheboot.com/2015/07/24/tactical-philosophy-thomas-tuchel/
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: TheRam on October 30, 2017, 05:36:53 AM
It's like Big Sam is the only manager in the world to play direct, pragmatic football.

Fucking give it a rest with this shout you crabs.

He's 63 years of age.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: blueski on October 30, 2017, 06:51:42 AM
If we lose to Watford (assuming we haven’t made an appointment by then) then I genuinely think we’ll go for Big Sam or Dyche...and however unglamorous, they’d probably be the right people for the job.

I expect us up lose to Watford, BTW.
I have to be honest - I think both are pretty dire from a footballing standpoint and in terms of the ideal Everton should be shooting for, if that happens I would completely understand based on where we are at the moment and would have to say I'd feel like both would keep us up

Really hoping we are in a comfortable spot in March or April thinking it was a little foolish to be worried back in October



Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on October 30, 2017, 06:55:09 AM
I do wonder how Joey Barton can say Unsworth can't manage because he a fat bastard, then he goes on to say we need Sam Allardyce. What the fuck?...
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: bluenuck on October 30, 2017, 09:13:47 AM
Serious question;

How do we get Dyche in the next week or so? Because he's employed... How does that work?
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Bluedylan on October 30, 2017, 11:29:06 AM
I find the predictable 'get Big Sam', unleash the 'dogs of war', 'Unsworth's shite' (based on a couple of difficult away games) reactions of some of our fans as depressing as anything the team is serving up to be honest.

We've got the vast majority of the season left and are still two wins from 8th. People need to get a fucking grip, stop panicking and stop assuming we have to resort to lowest common denominator football.

I'd keep Unsworth 1000 times over, before appointing Allardyce. People have written Unsworth off totally based on one half today, which is fucking ridiculous and massively knee jerk, given what a difficult situation Unsy's walked into. We put our best display of the season in a few days ago (not difficult I know).

So unbelievably kneejerk of people. Calm down and let's see how he does against Watford. Even one win at this stage could totally change the confidence and momentum of the team.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: bluenuck on October 30, 2017, 11:44:05 AM
I find the predictable 'get Big Sam', unleash the 'dogs of war', 'Unsworth's shite' (based on a couple of difficult away games) reactions of some of our fans as depressing as anything the team is serving up to be honest.

We've got the vast majority of the season left and are still two wins from 8th. People need to get a fucking grip, stop panicking and stop assuming we have to resort to lowest common denominator football.

I'd keep Unsworth 1000 times over, before appointing Allardyce. People have written Unsworth off totally based on one half today, which is fucking ridiculous and massively knee jerk, given what a difficult situation Unsy's walked into. We put our best display of the season in a few days ago (not difficult I know).

So unbelievably kneejerk of people. Calm down and let's see how he does against Watford. Even one win at this stage could totally change the confidence and momentum of the team.

Fully agree, but playing devils advocate, people believe, and I'm starting to agree, that no progressive manager like tuchel, silva, etc. are going to want to come here and commit manager suicide with the squad we've assembled. Realistically who can we bring in and who would want to come here? Cause I just don't see an awesome manager wanting to come here right now. So we're left with allardyce or a bit Better than  moyes, Sean Dyche.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: GLewis on October 30, 2017, 11:52:28 AM
Fully agree, but playing devils advocate, people believe, and I'm starting to agree, that no progressive manager like tuchel, silva, etc. are going to want to come here and commit manager suicide with the squad we've assembled. Realistically who can we bring in and who would want to come here? Cause I just don't see an awesome manager wanting to come here right now. So we're left with allardyce or a bit Better than  moyes, Sean Dyche.

We’re only 1 game on in the league from when we sacked Koeman so I wouldn’t have thought a manager would be so short sighted as to think that because we lost that game it’s now not worth coming.

Liverpool play without a proper striker most of the time, for instance, so there are tactical approaches that can be used that are more than just getting by both short and medium term etc.

We do still have potentially solid defenders and solid CMs if used that way so again, that shouldn’t be such an inhibitor.

Need to avoid the panic that because Koeman couldn’t get his points across anymore and Unsy looks very naive, wavering from “this is the right way” to, if it wasn’t a serious situation, amusingly doing all the things that he seemed to suggest wouldn’t happen because he “gets the fans”, that we’ve got no good players in the squad at all.

We do and anyone good, working with the properly will be able to find a way of getting good performances out of them, as that’s what good coaches do.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: bluenuck on October 30, 2017, 12:00:31 PM
We’re only 1 game on in the league from when we sacked Koeman so I wouldn’t have thought a manager would be so short sighted as to think that because we lost that game it’s now not worth coming.

Agree with most of what you said, but this. Managers looking from the outside in aren't going to be looking at one game. We've been like this for 15 or so. It's obvious that our squad is fundamentally flawed, and is a back room problem right from the start and not a managerial problem. No striker, no pace, and a bad defence.

Again, what manager in their right mind would want to commit to this? Silva has already basically laughed it off.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Lazarou on October 30, 2017, 12:07:24 PM
I find the predictable 'get Big Sam', unleash the 'dogs of war', 'Unsworth's shite' (based on a couple of difficult away games) reactions of some of our fans as depressing as anything the team is serving up to be honest.

We've got the vast majority of the season left and are still two wins from 8th. People need to get a fucking grip, stop panicking and stop assuming we have to resort to lowest common denominator football.

I'd keep Unsworth 1000 times over, before appointing Allardyce. People have written Unsworth off totally based on one half today, which is fucking ridiculous and massively knee jerk, given what a difficult situation Unsy's walked into. We put our best display of the season in a few days ago (not difficult I know).

So unbelievably kneejerk of people. Calm down and let's see how he does against Watford. Even one win at this stage could totally change the confidence and momentum of the team.

I am not advocating Dyche or Allardyce the mere mentioning of them with regard to Everton shows how desperate things are. I am truly concerned over how far we have dropped in the standards we have set ourselves over recent years.

When Martinez got the boot, we still looked like a reasonable team who looked like they could play better with a manager who actually changed tactics according to the opposition. With this team I just don't know were we go from here. We can't defend individually or as a unit, we can't pass in any sort of cohesive manner and we can't attack individually or as a unit.

We have players that are finished, youngsters out of their depth and new signings who look like they don't know what they have signed up for.

I am dumbfounded to what has happened. Absolute disgrace to have fallen this far and this hard.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: GLewis on October 30, 2017, 12:14:37 PM
Agree with most of what you said, but this. Managers looking from the outside in aren't going to be looking at one game. We've been like this for 15 or so. It's obvious that our squad is fundamentally flawed, and is a back room problem right from the start and not a managerial problem. No striker, no pace, and a bad defence.

Again, what manager in their right mind would want to commit to this? Silva has already basically laughed it off.

If it wasn’t a managerial problem you wouldn’t sack someone who’d finished 7th the year before.

Silva has been at Watford for a few months. He’d look an idiot if he was openly (or even just hinting) saying he’d be interested in a job that he might not even be considered for.

And as I said you can play without a striker if you set up correctly for that. Re pace, how many really fast players do Spurs have?

And the defence is poor because we’ve been losing games and are still poorly organised.

Any manager worth their salt will believe that they can organise us better than we currently are.

And that’s all just short term. I know it’s harder in January but even if we’re looking a bit further down our target list of players we will be able to sign a striker / players with pace / better defenders if we really want / need to.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: GLewis on October 30, 2017, 12:22:46 PM
I am not advocating Dyche or Allardyce the mere mentioning of them with regard to Everton shows how desperate things are. I am truly concerned over how far we have dropped in the standards we have set ourselves over recent years.

When Martinez got the boot, we still looked like a reasonable team who looked like they could play better with a manager who actually changed tactics according to the opposition. With this team I just don't know were we go from here. We can't defend individually or as a unit, we can't pass in any sort of cohesive manner and we can't attack individually or as a unit.

We have players that are finished, youngsters out of their depth and new signings who look like they don't know what they have signed up for.

I am dumbfounded to what has happened. Absolute disgrace to have fallen this far and this hard.

If we didn’t look as bad as we do, we would have more points and wouldn’t have sacked Koeman.

It always looks awful when you’re at the bottom end of your form.

Yes in terms of strikers I’m not sure that in the short term we’re going to get much more from DCL and Niasse isn’t good enough and shouldn’t be in the squad.

But there are plenty of players that 6 months ago were good PL players, either here or at their previous clubs.

Just getting them to their normal standard will lift us up the table without factoring in improvements from everyone else if organised properly resulting in increased confidence etc.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: bluenuck on October 30, 2017, 12:30:16 PM
If it wasn’t a managerial problem you wouldn’t sack someone who’d finished 7th the year before.

Do you really believe that? Do you really believe that there's a manager out there that can get this exact team into the top 6-7? Even if we signed zero players from now till next season you actually believe there's a manager that could take this group and finish 6-7?
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: GLewis on October 30, 2017, 12:41:26 PM
Do you really believe that? Do you really believe that there's a manager out there that can get this exact team into the top 6-7? Even if we signed zero players from now till next season you actually believe there's a manager that could take this group and finish 6-7?

Top 6 no chance.

7th? Maybe, we were 15 points clear of 8th last year so the standard isn’t that high.

Top half definitely shouldn’t be written off.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Goughie on October 30, 2017, 01:15:07 PM
Having thought about this a bit more, after initially suggesting Allardyce, i think a decent compromise would be Manuel Pellegrini. He was fairly successful at City, is able to attract big ish names and has PL experience. He is also available at the moment so there wouldnt be any long drawn out negotiations, or compensation payments. He would however want a decent wedge per month!!
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: ajax_andy on October 30, 2017, 01:30:07 PM
http://outsideoftheboot.com/2015/07/24/tactical-philosophy-thomas-tuchel/

That's a great read, I'm sold!
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Macca77 on October 30, 2017, 01:31:00 PM
Nothing will happen until the international break, just get behind Unsworth and the players
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Waltzer on October 30, 2017, 01:51:13 PM
Having thought about this a bit more, after initially suggesting Allardyce, i think a decent compromise would be Manuel Pellegrini. He was fairly successful at City, is able to attract big ish names and has PL experience. He is also available at the moment so there wouldnt be any long drawn out negotiations, or compensation payments. He would however want a decent wedge per month!!

Isnt Manuel Pellegrini on about a billion a month managing in China?
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Goughie on October 30, 2017, 01:55:51 PM
Isnt Manuel Pellegrini on about a billion a month managing in China?

Correct!! i totally missed that 🙈.
Guess that ends my argument for having him done quickly!
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on October 30, 2017, 02:25:34 PM
If it wasn't a managerial problem you wouldn't sack someone who'd finished 7th the year before.

Silva has been at Watford for a few months. He'd look an idiot if he was openly (or even just hinting) saying he'd be interested in a job that he might not even be considered for.

And as I said you can play without a striker if you set up correctly for that. Re pace, how many really fast players do Spurs have?

And the defence is poor because we've been losing games and are still poorly organised.

Any manager worth their salt will believe that they can organise us better than we currently are.

And that's all just short term. I know it's harder in January but even if we're looking a bit further down our target list of players we will be able to sign a striker / players with pace / better defenders if we really want / need to.
Liverpool don’t need a striker as they have an abundance of pace and goals in their team. Spurs don’t need pace because the have Kane and Alli.

We’ve got neither.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: GLewis on October 30, 2017, 02:56:54 PM
Liverpool don’t need a striker as they have an abundance of pace and goals in their team. Spurs don’t need pace because the have Kane and Alli.

We’ve got neither.

To be as good as them, no.

But we should have people (Rooney, Mirallas, Sigurdsson) who have scored pl goals.

Then other players should be able to score too (Lennon, Vlasic, Sandro, Klaassen, Davies) etc.

That’s without the handful to cobble together from the striking options.

What I mean is that not having a suitable out and out striker, or loads of fast players doesn’t mean there’s no way of playing to move up the table.

Not challenging the top 6, simply being as good as the dross that makes up most of the rest of the league.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: GLewis on October 30, 2017, 03:01:44 PM
Basically as it it’s not enough, especially since we’re aupposed to have the money to fix some of these in Jan, to put off a manager who was serious about it anyway.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: BlueNoseMike on October 30, 2017, 03:33:06 PM
Throw money at Tuchel, give him funds in January and don't judge him until next season.

Thing is, as bad as things are, 7th is still a realistic aim with the right man in charge and the obvious signings signed.

We are even further behind the top 6 than last season, but luckily for us none of the chasing pack have really stepped up much. I'm sure the likes of Watford and Newcastle will have slumps and none of the others have looked that good.

Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on October 30, 2017, 03:37:55 PM
Throw money at Tuchel, give him funds in January and don't judge him until next season.

Thing is, as bad as things are, 7th is still a realistic aim with the right man in charge and the obvious signings signed.

We are even further behind the top 6 than last season, but luckily for us none of the chasing pack have really stepped up much. I'm sure the likes of Watford and Newcastle will have slumps and none of the others have looked that good.
Anyone who doesn’t think this season is simply about survival, is in denial.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: BlueNoseMike on October 30, 2017, 04:01:07 PM
Anyone who doesn’t think this season is simply about survival, is in denial.

I'm not mate, we started plenty of seasons under moyes in similar fashion. Yes I know it's not just been the results, the performances have been bad and the squad looks disjointed. I'm still confident of a top half finish (even 7th), as long as the squad issues are addressed in January and a good manager is brought in.

Like I say, get Tuchel in, give him some breathing space (Klopp finished 8th in his first season at Liverpool) and he can have a proper go at our main aims next summer.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Rhys on October 30, 2017, 04:04:20 PM
I'm not mate, we started plenty of seasons under moyes in similar fashion. Yes I know it's not just been the results, the performances have been bad and the squad looks disjointed. I'm still confident of a top half finish (even 7th), as long as the squad issues are addressed in January and a good manager is brought in.

Like I say, get Tuchel in, give him some breathing space (Klopp finished 8th in his first season at Liverpool) and he can have a proper go at our main aims next summer.


Southampton finished 8 on 46 points last season, I'm not seeing a team in the league outside the top 6 that I look at and think they will definitely get 50+ points this season. As daft as it may seem right now because how bad we look, it isnt impossible to get towards 50 points as you say with a good manager in, get the players back in form and rectify the problems with a couple of additions in January.

But at the moment we just need to be as solid as we can and get some results to help build the confidence of the players to stop looking as bad as we do.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: BlueNoseMike on October 30, 2017, 04:09:02 PM
Southampton finished 8 on 46 points last season, I'm not seeing a team in the league outside the top 6 that I look at and think they will definitely get 50+ points this season. As daft as it may seem right now because how bad we look, it isnt impossible to get towards 50 points as you say with a good manager in, get the players back in form and rectify the problems with a couple of additions in January.

But at the moment we just need to be as solid as we can and get some results to help build the confidence of the players to stop looking as bad as we do.

Agreed. I understand people going into 'this season is all about survival' mode but that is a bit doom and gloomy. We will have more money to spend in Jan than most others outside the top 6 and have the potential to be ok. Ok in this league can get you 7th because the majority of the league is a bag of shite

That's why I'm not panicking, or in denial
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Hawkandro on October 30, 2017, 04:11:58 PM
I am clinging to the hope of us only being 6 points from 8th.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Waltzer on October 30, 2017, 04:16:08 PM
Agreed. I understand people going into 'this season is all about survival' mode but that is a bit doom and gloomy. We will have more money to spend in Jan than most others outside the top 6 and have the potential to be ok. Ok in this league can get you 7th because the majority of the league is a bag of shite

That's why I'm not panicking, or in denial
I think we'll be eventually be okay and think when we get someone up top our team as a whole will look much better than it currently does. I do think its a bit of damage limitation until January though as I just dont see where goals will come from? I think were averaging a goal every 120 minutes or something stupid, and I just cant see that changing. We have to keep a clean sheet if were going to win games
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Rhys on October 30, 2017, 04:19:36 PM
Agreed. I understand people going into 'this season is all about survival' mode but that is a bit doom and gloomy. We will have more money to spend in Jan than most others outside the top 6 and have the potential to be ok. Ok in this league can get you 7th because the majority of the league is a bag of shite

That's why I'm not panicking, or in denial

Right now the focus needs to be do what we can to pick up. But based on how poor everyone outside the top 6 is, say 50 points to get top 10 or top 7 whatever that may get us, we'd need to get 42 points from 28, so need to go at 1.5 points per game over the rest of the season which isnt beyond the realms of possibility. It just feels that way because of how poorly so many players are playing, what's important to remember is this isnt the normal level of players like Schneiderlin, Sigurdsson etc they are probably playing as badly as they ever have rather than being the level they have been at for the last 5 years outside this spell.

Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Lxxx on October 30, 2017, 04:24:25 PM
I'm not mate, we started plenty of seasons under moyes in similar fashion. Yes I know it's not just been the results, the performances have been bad and the squad looks disjointed. I'm still confident of a top half finish (even 7th), as long as the squad issues are addressed in January and a good manager is brought in.

Like I say, get Tuchel in, give him some breathing space (Klopp finished 8th in his first season at Liverpool) and he can have a proper go at our main aims next summer.


Like getting promoted.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Ravardo on October 30, 2017, 05:46:07 PM
Id like to see any manager at the mo who can keep players in their fucking positions,, yesterday at one point rooney was where gueye shouldve been and gueye was where rooney shouldve been 2 meters from their area twats,,,failing that make the pair of them wear electric shock collars and every time one of them  go's wayward zap the fuckers
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: boothill on October 30, 2017, 05:56:04 PM
We need 30 points (10 wins) to stay up - do we look capable of getting 10 wins in 28 games?
No, not at all, which is scaring me
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Macca77 on October 30, 2017, 07:36:53 PM
http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11671/11105801/sam-allardyce-confirms-he-would-consider-everton-job
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: BlueForYou on October 30, 2017, 07:50:50 PM
The "Relegation Avoider"

First game after the international break - Palace, away

Big Sam, not for me - would probably bring Little Sammy/Craig Shakespeare or even Kevin Nolan with him

Could be on if we lose to Watford
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: everton1952 on October 30, 2017, 08:29:41 PM
http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11671/11105801/sam-allardyce-confirms-he-would-consider-everton-job
Remove his name for one moment from the article, (same article as in the Echo?), and everything he said was what a future manager must do to steady the ship. I would employ such a manager, based on that statement and on his past record. Unsworth should read it, but could he carry it out? There is the rub. Some are saying we are too big or too grand to take on the likes of Sam. Not this season unfortunately. Unsworth or Big Sam until the end of this season only?    I am assuming a really big name would not touch us with the proverbial bargepole at present.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Hawkandro on October 30, 2017, 09:09:30 PM
Allardyce until the end of the season, with a bumper pay out if we avoid relegation, ready for Ancelotti to step in.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on October 30, 2017, 09:17:21 PM
Some sort of iron that this squad lacks quality and balance so we’re desperate for the next next transfer window...yet you could argue that the last thing we need are yet more players to have to come in and settle and gel!
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on October 30, 2017, 10:39:37 PM
People proper whoring themselves and their mates out for this job.

Barton desperately trying to get Dyche in by slagging off Unsworth any chance he gets. That Interview with Sam is a bit embarrassing, it was like a message to Moshiri "look what I can do for you"
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: boothill on October 30, 2017, 10:54:10 PM
Barton is a shithouse, nobody listens to what he says
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: TheRam on October 30, 2017, 11:17:37 PM
Not a chance we'll even consider Big Sam.

It's all his mates in the media pushing for him to get the job.

Fucking cholesterol face.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Coyb12 on October 30, 2017, 11:19:06 PM
People proper whoring themselves and their mates out for this job.

Barton desperately trying to get Dyche in by slagging off Unsworth any chance he gets. That Interview with Sam is a bit embarrassing, it was like a message to Moshiri "look what I can do for you"
Everybody knows what Sam does and he doesn't need to sell himself,and if Moshiri doesn't know what he does he is in the wrong game.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: TheRam on October 30, 2017, 11:22:29 PM
Everybody knows what Sam does and he doesn't need to sell himself,and if Moshiri doesn't know what he does he is in the wrong game.

What does he do exactly?

Take teams from 18th to 17th? Yeah he's the man for us, isn't he?

There's so many managers out there that can get a tune out of this team and not just limit us to staying up.

As BD said, all it takes is a solid shape, protecting the defence, then we build from there.

Any manager worth their salt should be able to do that.

Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Brownie20 on October 30, 2017, 11:24:33 PM
Not a chance we'll even consider Big Sam.

It's all his mates in the media pushing for him to get the job.

Fucking cholesterol face.

Proper laughed at chlosterol face
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Coyb12 on October 30, 2017, 11:31:15 PM
What does he do exactly?

Take teams from 18th to 17th? Yeah he's the man for us, isn't he?

There's so many managers out there that can get a tune out of this team and not just limit us to staying up.

As BD said, all it takes is a solid shape, protecting the defence, then we build from there.

Any manager worth their salt should be able to do that.
We are an absolute shambles can't defend fuck all, don't create,and what top men are going to take the job,all you People out there talking about Ancholotti and the likes need to have a look at the league table.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Coyb12 on October 30, 2017, 11:33:39 PM
Barton is a shithouse, nobody listens to what he says
Everything he said was correct,apart from the personal dig at Unsworth.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 30, 2017, 11:35:39 PM
Everything he said was correct,apart from the personal dig at Unsworth.

Thought it was all a personal dig what else did he say
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Coyb12 on October 30, 2017, 11:37:18 PM
Thought it was all a personal dig what else did he say
He was correct on his opinion on how we played and mistakes Unsworth made.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: boothill on October 30, 2017, 11:37:45 PM
Everything he said was correct,apart from the personal dig at Unsworth.
Well obviously you listen to what he says, but he's still a shithouse
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: BlueForYou on October 30, 2017, 11:38:19 PM
Tuchel must be in the running and the fact that he is without a club, must be get-able, at least, even, on a short term 18 month contract

A risk, but who isn't?
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: penguinofdoom1878 on October 31, 2017, 12:02:31 AM
I'm not mate, we started plenty of seasons under moyes in similar fashion. Yes I know it's not just been the results, the performances have been bad and the squad looks disjointed. I'm still confident of a top half finish (even 7th), as long as the squad issues are addressed in January and a good manager is brought in.

Like I say, get Tuchel in, give him some breathing space (Klopp finished 8th in his first season at Liverpool) and he can have a proper go at our main aims next summer.

The problem here is I dont think we are attractive enough for Tuchel, Ancelotti clearly doesnt want it with im going to wait until the end of the season comment. If Raphael Honigstein is to believed (and hes one of the better football journalists out there) Tuchel has talks with Chelsea in the summer in case Conte did one and Conte is believed to be heading back to Italy this summer.

Its becoming who wants to come to us, I can see them appointing Allardyce to the end of the season then starting again. I am not sure everyone is pulling in the same direction either, you read Moshiri wants these big names, big things, but theres always Kenwright who is old school, probably rightly being cautious and holding him in a bit. Its going to take a while to become an attractive club for the big names we'd all love and it will be a roller coaster ride, but we'll be fine this season.

As long as whoever it is we all get behind, mainly the people in the gound home and away, the telly clappers and keyboard warriors.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: boothill on October 31, 2017, 01:03:52 AM
Ive a feeling tonights game may have a bearing on our next appointment with either manager
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on October 31, 2017, 01:14:03 AM
What does he do exactly?

Take teams from 18th to 17th? Yeah he's the man for us, isn't he?

There's so many managers out there that can get a tune out of this team and not just limit us to staying up.

As BD said, all it takes is a solid shape, protecting the defence, then we build from there.

Any manager worth their salt should be able to do that.



So you're saying we should get @Bluedylan (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=3747) in as manager?
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Jimmywhack on October 31, 2017, 01:38:35 AM
Nee odds (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171030/b6ff045f2314b6a6cea850fdb436c2e4.jpg)
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Waltzer on October 31, 2017, 01:44:27 AM
Jamie Carragher claimed on Monday Night Football that Bill Kenwright and Farhad Moshiri are locked in a power struggle over the identity of the new Everton manager.

Everton have been linked with Watford boss Marco Silva as well as available duo Thomas Tuchel and Carlo Ancelotti.

“What I know about Everton is there is a major split at the top of the club,” Carragher told Sky Sports’ Monday Night Football programme in the build-up to Newcastle United’s Premier League clash against Burnley. “Bill Kenwright wants to give the job to Unsworth or a British manager like Dyche or Allardyce.

Moshiri is thinking differently. There is a new stadium [planned], £150million spent on new players this summer and he is looking at the next three to four years.”
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Cozzie on October 31, 2017, 01:45:33 AM
I'd have Tuchel at 10/1 all day.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: blueToffee on October 31, 2017, 01:48:24 AM
Jamie Carragher claimed on Monday Night Football that Bill Kenwright and Farhad Moshiri are locked in a power struggle over the identity of the new Everton manager.

Everton have been linked with Watford boss Marco Silva as well as available duo Thomas Tuchel and Carlo Ancelotti.

“What I know about Everton is there is a major split at the top of the club,” Carragher told Sky Sports’ Monday Night Football programme in the build-up to Newcastle United’s Premier League clash against Burnley. “Bill Kenwright wants to give the job to Unsworth or a British manager like Dyche or Allardyce.

Moshiri is thinking differently. There is a new stadium [planned], £150million spent on new players this summer and he is looking at the next three to four years.”

Not good to have top level people not on the same page (if that's true). We need to cut out any infighting. Seems to be a common theme with us recently though (Koeman/Walsh).

It's Moshiri bankrolling things so I'd have to imagine he gets the final word.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Waltzer on October 31, 2017, 01:58:02 AM
Not good to have top level people not on the same page (if that's true). We need to cut out any infighting. Seems to be a common theme with us recently though (Koeman/Walsh).

It's Moshiri bankrolling things so I'd have to imagine he gets the final word.
100% agree, although id argue that moshiri hasn't bankrolled anything, but that's for another time
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: dunkster on October 31, 2017, 01:58:54 AM
I wonder how appealing our squad looks to a potential manager?
Surely most managers (who maybe haven't watched much of our dross) would expect to get decent enough football from the names we have?
It's obvious within seconds to realise we haven't a striker but there's no reason our midfield shouldn't be able to perform 100 tines better.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: dunkster on October 31, 2017, 02:00:58 AM
And yeah I know our defense is looking very sluggish at moment but we have Coleman to return and I imagine Baines is still highly regarded to a manager who hasn't watched him this year.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Brownie20 on October 31, 2017, 02:04:27 AM
So Carragher is quoting the Mirror article from the other day as his opinion? Great insight JC
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: gizzblue on October 31, 2017, 02:05:47 AM
So Carragher is quoting the Mirror article from the other day as his opinion? Great insight JC
Typical punditry they all do it .
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: BlueForYou on October 31, 2017, 05:07:33 PM
If it's to be an English manager: Nigel Pearson

Leicester were already on a roll when he left and avoided relegation after being bottom at Christmas in 2014

Is it fair to say that Leicester wouldn't have won the Premier League if they hadn't replaced him with Ranieri?

Pearson built that team and also appointed the backroom staff including Steve Walsh

He'll be overlooked, though

Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Macca77 on October 31, 2017, 05:24:24 PM
Are you for real? Nigel Pearson, seriously?
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: BlueForYou on October 31, 2017, 06:02:27 PM
A better bet than any other Anglo manager -

Allardyce, Dyche, Howe, Monk

List the negatives about Pearson and then the negatives about the other English candidates


Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: BlueForYou on October 31, 2017, 06:06:40 PM
A good captain as a player as well - strong leader
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on October 31, 2017, 06:08:04 PM
Are you for real? Nigel Pearson, seriously?
Are you an ostrich?
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: brap2 on October 31, 2017, 06:20:10 PM
New lows this surely
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Hawkandro on October 31, 2017, 06:21:33 PM
Paul Jewell's free.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on October 31, 2017, 06:23:16 PM
Ian Dowie.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Macca77 on October 31, 2017, 06:25:25 PM
Said from day one, Tim Sherwood is the man for us
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on October 31, 2017, 06:39:06 PM
No Mike Walker shouts yet?
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Toddacelli on October 31, 2017, 06:39:55 PM
If it's to be an English manager: Nigel Pearson

Leicester were already on a roll when he left and avoided relegation after being bottom at Christmas in 2014

Is it fair to say that Leicester wouldn't have won the Premier League if they hadn't replaced him with Ranieri?

Pearson built that team and also appointed the backroom staff including Steve Walsh

He'll be overlooked, though



I like what you're saying but didn't he do some mad stuff like offer out a fan and say some racist stuff?  Genuinely not sure if remembering this right though so hands up if he didn't.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Legend on October 31, 2017, 06:42:24 PM
Why does the manager have to be English?
I’d love to get silva from Watford but I’d take Dyche too. People seem to think we’re more attractive than we actually are, survival comes first - everything else comes after that
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Escla on October 31, 2017, 06:49:22 PM
Would like to see David Wagner in the frame.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Waltzer on October 31, 2017, 07:02:15 PM
Why does the manager have to be English?
I’d love to get silva from Watford but I’d take Dyche too. People seem to think we’re more attractive than we actually are, survival comes first - everything else comes after that

I think were much more attractive than you're giving us credit. Big fan base, new stadium on the horizon, cash to spend, just finished 7th in the hardest league in the world and we pay our managers about 6 million a year.
Are you sure you're not one of the people on the Everton board with a small time mentality where survival comes first? We've lost one player in Lukaku and failed to replace him. Our squad overall is stronger and as soon as we get a striker we'll climb the table no question about it. We're gone from the days of survival is the priority
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Gash on October 31, 2017, 07:09:58 PM
Did I just imagine that or has someone just curled out a big Nigel Pearson sized turd into the thread.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Sir Stealth on October 31, 2017, 07:12:20 PM
Aside from Dyche, all the other English managers in the premier league manage sides in the bottom half

I don't think our next manager needs to be English. This is the most watched league in the world, I'm sure the foreign managers will be familiar with what goes on in the Premier league
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Gary1878 on October 31, 2017, 07:13:23 PM
Dave Bassett
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Post by: boothill on October 31, 2017, 07:13:56 PM
I like what you're saying but didn't he do some mad stuff like offer out a fan and say some racist stuff?  Genuinely not sure if remembering this right though so hands up if he didn't.
started calling people osterich's too i think
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: BlueForYou on October 31, 2017, 07:14:54 PM
He doesn't have to be English! But there is a bit of a thing going around that English managers don't get the top jobs

With regard Pearson, he suspended a player for voting British National Party because he viewed it as racist

Why is Pearson a turd?


Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: TheRam on October 31, 2017, 07:15:28 PM
Did someone mention Paul Jewell?
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: blueToffee on October 31, 2017, 07:17:36 PM
Would like to see David Wagner in the frame.

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Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: TheRam on October 31, 2017, 07:20:06 PM
Wouldn't mind having a punt on Steve Evans.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: BlueForYou on October 31, 2017, 07:20:18 PM
I'm more a (laughing)hyena than an ostrich!
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: BlueForYou on October 31, 2017, 07:20:56 PM
How fat is Steve Evans?
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Hawkandro on October 31, 2017, 07:24:56 PM
Did someone mention Paul Jewell?

Yep :)
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Hawkandro on October 31, 2017, 07:25:23 PM
How fat is Steve Evans?

Too fat for Joey and Jason.

Lee Clarke available...
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: BlueForYou on October 31, 2017, 07:30:30 PM
Big Nev would give them something to talk about!

Which club will show some bottle and appoint the Iceland manager Heimir Hallgrimsson after the World Cup?

Watch that space
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Cereal Killer on October 31, 2017, 07:38:56 PM
Nigel Pearson?! Fucking hell, might as well find out what Ian Holloway is up to these days
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: BlueForYou on October 31, 2017, 07:39:55 PM
Why do you say that?
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Macca77 on October 31, 2017, 07:46:56 PM
Why do you say that?

Probably because Pearson is an awful manager


Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: BlueForYou on October 31, 2017, 07:48:02 PM
And how do you reason that?
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Macca77 on October 31, 2017, 07:50:25 PM
And how do you reason that?

Sacked twice at Leicester, sacked at Derby, he is a championship level manager.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: BlueForYou on October 31, 2017, 07:51:26 PM
Why was he sacked?
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Audrey Horne on October 31, 2017, 07:52:06 PM
Why was he sacked?

COS HE IS SHIT
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: The Analog Kid on October 31, 2017, 07:52:56 PM
My arl fella said Gary Monk. But then he is a red.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: BlueForYou on October 31, 2017, 07:53:28 PM
Shit was the reason? Or just your opinion?
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: hill135 on October 31, 2017, 07:56:24 PM
Go all out for Gary Megson
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Macca77 on October 31, 2017, 07:57:34 PM
Steve McLaren won the Dutch League, give him a go
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: BlueForYou on October 31, 2017, 07:58:51 PM
Ex Everton player, Megson!

As Cloughie said: Couldn't trap a bag of cement
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: hill135 on October 31, 2017, 08:02:16 PM
Ex Everton player, Megson!

As Cloughie said: Couldn't trap a bag of cement


He gets it! Get him in
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: boothill on October 31, 2017, 08:05:19 PM
John sitton ?
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: formerKHL on October 31, 2017, 08:06:02 PM
MYSTIC MEG...

then we can have a pairing of Harry Catterick and Brian Clough....

imagine being a fly on that wall....when they're having a meeting...
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: TheRam on October 31, 2017, 08:09:24 PM
I'd be on the phone to Brian Laws straight away if I was Moshiri
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: sam of the south on October 31, 2017, 08:10:44 PM
My arl fella said Gary Monk. But then he is a red.

I'd rather have a mouthful of Harry Monk 🤢
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: blueToffee on October 31, 2017, 08:12:33 PM
I'm kinda amazed (although not, this is Everton) that this is even up in the air still. We should've had someone ready and signed up by now as the writing was on the wall for an absolute age. If we weren't talking to people to gauge interest before we got rid of Koeman I don't know what we were thinking.

Amateur hour again. Much like the summer.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Risky on October 31, 2017, 08:12:45 PM
Fucking hell
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: BlueForYou on October 31, 2017, 08:13:02 PM
Not easy is it?

One thing sacking a manager, another thing replacing him

Still, we shall wait and see
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: hill135 on October 31, 2017, 08:13:55 PM
Kenny Jackett interim contract til the end of the season. Automatic extension if we win the Europa League
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: TheRam on October 31, 2017, 08:20:24 PM
I'd personally like us to go in for Ally Mcoist.

Has experience managing a big club and is good mates with John Parrot.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: bluenuck on October 31, 2017, 08:22:09 PM
Not good to have top level people not on the same page (if that's true). We need to cut out any infighting. Seems to be a common theme with us recently though (Koeman/Walsh).

It's Moshiri bankrolling things so I'd have to imagine he gets the final word.

Just because two people disagree doesn't mean theres "infighting".

You would probably complain if moshiri was surrounded by yes men, too.

And carragher just got you with a wind up by the way.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Macca77 on October 31, 2017, 08:22:43 PM
Neil Warnock
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: BlueForYou on October 31, 2017, 08:26:49 PM
Parrott & Bellew

Below the belt, that

Below the belt, that
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Goaljira on October 31, 2017, 08:31:44 PM
Well catching up with this thread just cheered me right up.

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Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: BlueForYou on October 31, 2017, 08:39:18 PM
Make the most of it!
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Gash on October 31, 2017, 09:05:56 PM
Is Joe Kinnear still alive?
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Sir Stealth on October 31, 2017, 09:07:06 PM
Shit was the reason? Or just your opinion?

Constantly scrapping relegation as a manager, and when he's not doing that he's just scrapping in general and threatening people

And wasn't his son involved in some sort of racist orgy?!

I'm not too sure what a racist orgy is like

But won no trophies as a manager in his career

Has scrapped in the lower leagues with a few clubs, had one season in the premier league where he finished 14th

Then got sacked

Then took over at Derby and got sacked with them 20th in the championship despite them being one of the favourites for promotion that season

So you will agree, a fairly mediocre side

Just out of interest what makes you think that Nigel Pearson is good enough to manage 9 times league winners, 5 times FA Cup winners, football league founding members, premier league founding members, most games and goals and wins in the top flight, club you supposedly support, Everton FC?

Would appreciate your answer containing no riddles or puns, and try to apply some sort of logic to it, if possible

Cheers
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Macca77 on October 31, 2017, 09:15:53 PM
Constantly scrapping relegation as a manager, and when he's not doing that he's just scrapping in general and threatening people

And wasn't his son involved in some sort of racist orgy?!

I'm not too sure what a racist orgy is like

But won no trophies as a manager in his career

Has scrapped in the lower leagues with a few clubs, had one season in the premier league where he finished 14th

Then got sacked

Then took over at Derby and got sacked with them 20th in the championship despite them being one of the favourites for promotion that season

So you will agree, a fairly mediocre side

Just out of interest what makes you think that Nigel Pearson is good enough to manage 9 times league winners, 5 times FA Cup winners, football league founding members, premier league founding members, most games and goals and wins in the top flight, club you supposedly support, Everton FC?

Would appreciate your answer containing no riddles or puns, and try to apply some sort of logic to it, if possible

Cheers

Add the bit about him throttling James McCarthur to this
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: BlueForYou on October 31, 2017, 09:20:34 PM
My original post concerning Pearson sums it up

His son has nothing to do with his own management

Why was he sacked from Derby? Nothing to do with his management

He has never been sacked for footballing reasons

Harry Catterick had won nothing before taking the Everton job

Neither did Howard Kendall

Ditto Billy Bingham

Ditto Gordon Lee

Ditto Colin Harvey

Ditto Mike Walker

Ditto Joe Royle

Ditto David Moyes

That leaves Walter Smith and Roberto Martinez

Koeman has won nothing in England

Neither has David Unsworth

Ditto Sam Allardyce

Ditto Sean Dyche

Ditto Ernie Howe

Duncan Ferguson throttles people, would be a good partnership
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Bluedylan on October 31, 2017, 09:24:16 PM
So no logic whatsoever then.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: BlueForYou on October 31, 2017, 09:26:10 PM
Staring you in the face - continuing the Everton way
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: BlueForYou on October 31, 2017, 09:27:56 PM
What's your form of Everton logic?
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: kramer0 on October 31, 2017, 09:28:09 PM
If you can't see why Nigel Pearson would be a great appointment then you are an ostrich. Your head is in the sand.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: AllyBlue14 on October 31, 2017, 09:30:13 PM
Let's just give it to Ernie Howe :snigger:
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Bluedylan on October 31, 2017, 09:30:28 PM
Staring you in the face - continuing the Everton way

Genuinely asking - what on earth are you talking about?
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: BlueForYou on October 31, 2017, 09:31:37 PM
Statistics
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Post by: stirlingblue on October 31, 2017, 09:37:03 PM
Statistics

Wait, I'm confused, I thought that we were all just naming shit managers for a laugh.

So you're an actual Everton fan who really wants us to hire Nigel Pearson?
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Bluedylan on October 31, 2017, 09:37:40 PM
Statistics

Ah ok. Stupid of me, sorry. Cheers for clarifying.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Macca77 on October 31, 2017, 09:44:15 PM
Wait, I'm confused, I thought that we were all just naming shit managers for a laugh.

So you're an actual Everton fan who really wants us to hire Nigel Pearson?

It would appear so, based on his logic, a lot of the other names mentioned over the last few pages should be in with a shout as well then.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Sir Stealth on October 31, 2017, 09:44:41 PM
Ah so he wasn't sacked for football reasons at derby, I owe him an apology, he had a bust up with the chairman, demonstrating another of his great qualities

On the pitch things were actually going quite well, they were 5th from bottom in the division below us

While there are managers out there who have managed for more seasons in the top flight, have won trophies and don't have massive problems with attitude and aggression, perhaps we will leave Nigel Pearson in the maybe pile while we look at other candidates
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: hill135 on October 31, 2017, 09:49:24 PM
What in holy fuck is Blue for You on about all the time?
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: TheTone on October 31, 2017, 09:52:56 PM
we're fucked arnt we?
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Lxxx on October 31, 2017, 10:03:46 PM
A left field appointment risks relegation, which is how the board will view it. At this stage avoiding the drop needs to be number one priority as we can't assume any new manager bounce will propel us far enough up the league for us to be safe, if we then get some form of rebound/reverting to the mean.

If Tuchel or someone like that doesn't want it then I'd give it to Allardyce.... and any remaining romance of witnessing an Everton renaissance in my lifetime will die with it. 
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Macca77 on October 31, 2017, 10:07:16 PM
A left field appointment risks relegation, which is how the board will view it. At this stage avoiding the drop needs to be number one priority as we can't assume any new manager bounce will propel us far enough up the league for us to be safe, if we then get some form of rebound/reverting to the mean.

If Tuchel or someone like that doesn't want it then I'd give it to Allardyce.... and any remaining romance of witnessing an Everton renaissance in my lifetime will die with it. 

The mere thought of Allardyce here makes me feel sick, honestly, it really does. I don't think my boss would appreciate me being signed off work due to constant vomiting having been diagnosed with Big Sam syndrome, there is no cure for that yet
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: TrevorSteven on October 31, 2017, 10:11:59 PM
This is just why Everton will not compete with the big clubs for at least another 50 years.

We are going, with way too much support from our fans, for candidates like Unsworth, Dyche and Allardyce?

Sorry - but what the f.ck is wrong? Everybody wants to go backwards into the future. Anyone seriously believe that any of those names ever will bring glory to Everton?

It makes me laugh. We need a progressive young manager with New ideas and ambitions about beeing the best manager in the world, not english dinasaurs loving words like Dogs of war.

Horrible development but yet again very much the Everton-way...we simply just dont crave for success.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: kramer0 on October 31, 2017, 10:13:37 PM
This is just why Everton will not compete with the big clubs for at least another 50 years.

We are going, with way too much support from our fans, for candidates like Unsworth, Dyche and Allardyce?

Sorry - but what the f.ck is wrong? Everybody wants to go backwards into the future. Anyone seriously believe that any of those names ever will bring glory to Everton?

It makes me laugh. We need a progressive young manager with New ideas and ambitions about beeing the best manager in the world, not english dinasaurs loving words like Dogs of war.

Horrible development but yet again very much the Everton-way...we simply just dont crave for success.

It's not the supporters' fault the club is run by buffoons.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Macca77 on October 31, 2017, 10:17:48 PM
One of the statements Moshiri made when he first invested in the club was something about us not standing still, he wanted us to move forward and compete, he needs to back this up again I reckon.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: BlueForYou on October 31, 2017, 10:19:30 PM
What don't you understand hill135?

Bust up? Pearson speaks his mind, at Derby he objected to intrusive drones being used at training sessions and was having none of it - good for him; 5th from bottom - it was only September!

If it you don't like aggression, Sir Stealth, you should really put forward the removal of Ferguson - he's spent time in prison

And name the managers who have won trophies that we are in for and can realistically appoint
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Lincs Toffee on October 31, 2017, 10:20:50 PM
I really do think at this stage and how unbelievably shit we are at the minute we just need to be looking at survival in the short term (this season), I fucking hate Allardyce but he will come here short term and save us from the drop I am pretty sure. As much as I want Tuchel or similar for me it is a too big a risk for someone like them to come in and stop us leaking goals in the first instance then get us scoring and winning matches. We have to be realistic and in that we have to take a step back first to make 2 steps forward and for me that is save us from relegation with someone willing to come to for the rest of the season and happy for us to bin them off once they have done what they were employed to do.

There is no getting round this, we are up a very shitty creak with not a paddle in sight and when we all realise it then we will be more accepting the likes of a Fat Sam or similar on his speedboat with a tow rope!
Dyche for me, like others have said could also save us but would want a long term contract, for me that would be us treading water, not something we should be doing when in our flash new stadium !
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: boothill on October 31, 2017, 10:21:37 PM
My original post concerning Pearson sums it up

His son has nothing to do with his own management

Why was he sacked from Derby? Nothing to do with his management

He has never been sacked for footballing reasons

Harry Catterick had won nothing before taking the Everton job

Neither did Howard Kendall

Ditto Billy Bingham

Ditto Gordon Lee

Ditto Colin Harvey

Ditto Mike Walker

Ditto Joe Royle

Ditto David Moyes

That leaves Walter Smith and Roberto Martinez

Koeman has won nothing in England

Neither has David Unsworth

Ditto Sam Allardyce

Ditto Sean Dyche

Ditto Ernie Howe

Duncan Ferguson throttles people, would be a good partnership
Hahahaha, your getting a like and 10/10 fo that blue, love it
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: therealdunc on October 31, 2017, 10:21:58 PM
Give it to big Sam for 18months and by May 19 we will be finishing top 6 and winning a trophy.

Big Sam is a talented manager who is more qualified than a lot of the other suggestions.

Alternatively, offer Rafa Benitez a shed load of money to spend, remind him he can live with his wife on the Wirral and sit back and watch us fly up the league and the Kopites cry
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: BlueForYou on October 31, 2017, 10:24:43 PM
Facts, boothill, facts
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Sir Stealth on October 31, 2017, 10:28:43 PM
What don't you understand hill135?

Bust up? Pearson speaks his mind, at Derby he objected to intrusive drones being used at training sessions and was having none of it - good for him; 5th from bottom - it was only September!

If it you don't like aggression, Sir Stealth, you should really put forward the removal of Ferguson - he's spent time in prison

And name the managers who have won trophies that we are in for and can realistically appoint


What is it about the bust up that provides us with any sort of positive that he should be considered for the job?

Was only September?still there were 19 teams in the championship who had performed better at that point

I've never at any stage said that I wanted Duncan Ferguson to be our manager, I do not want him to be appointed. Not really arsed if he gets sacked

Names above who have won something in their career:Carlo Ancelotti, Thomas Tuchel, Marco Silva, Rafa Benitez, Roberto Mancini, Manuel Pellegrini

All of them have a better claim to the job than Nigel Pearson
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Bluedylan on October 31, 2017, 10:33:04 PM
This is just why Everton will not compete with the big clubs for at least another 50 years.

We are going, with way too much support from our fans, for candidates like Unsworth, Dyche and Allardyce?

Sorry - but what the f.ck is wrong? Everybody wants to go backwards into the future. Anyone seriously believe that any of those names ever will bring glory to Everton?

It makes me laugh. We need a progressive young manager with New ideas and ambitions about beeing the best manager in the world, not english dinasaurs loving words like Dogs of war.

Horrible development but yet again very much the Everton-way...we simply just dont crave for success.

It's just much easier to appeal to fear (in this case, of relegation) than optimism and potential. Same reason racist propaganda works. And, due to recent history, Everton fans are predisposed towards the negative, so that any time anything good happens we're waiting for it to collapse, and conversely, when bad things happen, it confirms our negative perception of things and we wallow in it.

The last part of that is the reason that some people are insanely considering Allardyce.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Coyb12 on October 31, 2017, 10:37:28 PM
This is just why Everton will not compete with the big clubs for at least another 50 years.

We are going, with way too much support from our fans, for candidates like Unsworth, Dyche and Allardyce?

Sorry - but what the f.ck is wrong? Everybody wants to go backwards into the future. Anyone seriously believe that any of those names ever will bring glory to Everton?

It makes me laugh. We need a progressive young manager with New ideas and ambitions about beeing the best manager in the world, not english dinasaurs loving words like Dogs of war.

Horrible development but yet again very much the Everton-way...we simply just dont crave for success.
I agree but where do we get him from and who right would come here like that.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on October 31, 2017, 10:37:58 PM
This is just why Everton will not compete with the big clubs for at least another 50 years.

We are going, with way too much support from our fans, for candidates like Unsworth, Dyche and Allardyce?

Sorry - but what the f.ck is wrong? Everybody wants to go backwards into the future. Anyone seriously believe that any of those names ever will bring glory to Everton?

It makes me laugh. We need a progressive young manager with New ideas and ambitions about beeing the best manager in the world, not english dinasaurs loving words like Dogs of war.

Horrible development but yet again very much the Everton-way...we simply just dont crave for success.
And if this progressive manager’s ideas don’t work - we’ll get relegated.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: BlueForYou on October 31, 2017, 10:43:17 PM
Fair comment, Sir Stealth

I would be more than happy to welcome Tuchel on an 18 month contract

Simeone is the progressive manager in all of this, but we cannot compete "big time"
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Fern on October 31, 2017, 10:49:58 PM
Can anyone answer why the media are so keen on us landing an English manager?
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on October 31, 2017, 10:58:07 PM
It's just much easier to appeal to fear (in this case, of relegation) than optimism and potential. Same reason racist propaganda works. And, due to recent history, Everton fans are predisposed towards the negative, so that any time anything good happens we're waiting for it to collapse, and conversely, when bad things happen, it confirms our negative perception of things and we wallow in it.

The last part of that is the reason that some people are insanely considering Allardyce.
No mate, it’s just that we’ve been awful pretty much every game this season. I keep expecting a reaction from the players but that hasn’t happened, bar 2nd half against Chelsea. We struggle to put out competitive sides and consistently play ‘lesser’ sides who’s players would walk into our team. We have no style of play and it’s hard to see where we’re going to pick up points.

Fair play if you’re optimistic and can see us dramatically improving. At what point would you start getting worried about us?
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on October 31, 2017, 10:59:15 PM
Can anyone answer why the media are so keen on us landing an English manager?
Big Sam has lots of mates in the media
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Ramjam on November 01, 2017, 05:44:04 AM
Off topic I know but does anyone know if Erwin and the rest of Koemans Kronies got the ass as well or are they still there?
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Confucius on November 01, 2017, 06:00:54 AM
I am all in for Alan Curbishly.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Bob Sacamano on November 01, 2017, 06:06:25 AM
I’ll stop going the game until we have a sit down with Micky Adams.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on November 01, 2017, 06:06:57 AM
Gary Megson is probably doing fuck all, give him a bell!
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Bob Sacamano on November 01, 2017, 06:07:30 AM
Fuck it. Less of this small time bullshit. Pepe Mel is the man for us.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: The Analog Kid on November 01, 2017, 06:08:33 AM
Does anyone have any serious shouts any more or have we all gone delirious?
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on November 01, 2017, 06:10:09 AM
Phil Brown! I want Phil Brown!
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Bob Sacamano on November 01, 2017, 06:12:13 AM
Does anyone have any serious shouts any more or have we all gone delirious?

Pepe fucking Mel mate.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Mayor Farnum on November 01, 2017, 06:14:17 AM
I want an untried manager in our most crucial season in recent years.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: The Analog Kid on November 01, 2017, 06:21:37 AM
Pepe fucking Mel mate.

Iz fuckn rite.  :eh:
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on November 01, 2017, 06:23:29 AM
Terry Venables
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: gizzblue on November 01, 2017, 06:43:49 AM
What's Sven doing these days ?....always thought he was shite but beats fucking Allardyce and Dyche shouts easy .
Just to add the worst thing he did as England manager was Ulrika
Title: Who should we go for?
Post by: Ramjam on November 01, 2017, 07:11:28 AM
Neil  Lennon at Hibs?
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: brap2 on November 01, 2017, 07:13:11 AM
Dyche is better than most of these lads
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: darren72 on November 01, 2017, 08:54:35 AM
Though I know just about everyone on here will disagree, I think we should go for Brendan Rogers
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Bluedylan on November 01, 2017, 11:42:06 AM
We've all been thinking it but it's about time someone said it. Time to give Big John Carver a bell, to get us out of this.

If Johnnie C. says 'no', Egil Olsen is the obvious sexy foreign appointment.

Massive call.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: BlueBeagle on November 01, 2017, 11:45:54 AM
Neil  Lennon at Hibs?

That an attempt at humour?
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Waltzer on November 01, 2017, 01:09:49 PM
Ive said it when Martinez was sacked and Moyes left but I still believe Glenn Hoddle has a lot to offer. Dunno if he'd help our defence, but I always rated him as a manger
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: hill135 on November 01, 2017, 01:17:05 PM
Get Ricky Sbragia in and replace clueless Walsh with Dennis Wise
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Trowel on November 01, 2017, 01:18:19 PM
This can't be right. Luckily it's Balague, so highly likely it isn't.

https://twitter.com/GuillemBalague/status/925621451662733312
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Cozzie on November 01, 2017, 01:19:40 PM
Terry Connor perhaps?
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on November 01, 2017, 01:42:25 PM
Though I know just about everyone on here will disagree, I think we should go for Brendan Rogers
Cringebag aside, he is a good coach and does have ability as a manager but I just think the fans would want him to fail. He’d get no grace period and any sort of sticky patch of form and we’d turn on him.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on November 01, 2017, 01:51:11 PM
Nothing but grim names being linked - it’s going to be a grim appointment, isn’t it?
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Toddacelli on November 01, 2017, 02:09:40 PM
Chris Hughton.

Done a decent job at most places, seems a decent fella, impressive win percentage of the last few years but most importantly for me he is a coach and right now we need someone to get the best out of the players we have.

Plus - he could be achievable. Don't think Tuchel or the like is gonna come anywhere near us until we don't stink anymore.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Ross on November 01, 2017, 02:16:08 PM
If we want a big name who’d get to grips with this squad and play with the younger lads there’s only one obvious candidate.

Kevin Spacey.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Audrey Horne on November 01, 2017, 02:21:13 PM
If we want a big name who’d get to grips with this squad and play with the younger lads there’s only one obvious candidate.

Kevin Spacey.

(https://m.popkey.co/b49002/3Dv1o.gif)
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Toddacelli on November 01, 2017, 02:21:22 PM
If we want a big name who’d get to grips with this squad and play with the younger lads there’s only one obvious candidate.

Kevin Spacey.

You need to catch your own fucking taxi mate.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: The Analog Kid on November 01, 2017, 02:25:58 PM
Nothing but grim names being linked - it’s going to be a grim appointment, isn’t it?

If Moshiri & Kenwright base their decision on some of the shit mentioned in here then we may as well pack up and fuck off home.

Can’t you tell people are bored/losing the plot.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Toddacelli on November 01, 2017, 02:34:48 PM

Can’t you tell people are bored/losing the plot.

Yes - but it's all gone so weird in here I can no longer tell which is which!


(https://media.tenor.co/images/ac2e97dbf63f79d288f8491b09141997/raw)
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: bigmanbob on November 01, 2017, 02:40:00 PM
Brendan Rodgers, Brendan fucking Rodgers, Jesus tonight
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: BlueForYou on November 01, 2017, 02:48:06 PM
Grim names, grim appointment? That'll be Hallgrimsson, then


Anybody on here against appointing Tuchel?  Appears to be the "chosen one"
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: gizzblue on November 01, 2017, 02:55:10 PM
Ive said it when Martinez was sacked and Moyes left but I still believe Glenn Hoddle has a lot to offer. Dunno if he'd help our defence, but I always rated him as a manger
It's bad enough listening to him blowing Spurs players as a fucking England pundit .....imagine every fucking interview .....
Harry 'choking' Kane ....Delli 'slurps' Ally ,Eric 'gargling' Dier ....every twatting week ,no thanks.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: BlueNoseMike on November 01, 2017, 03:35:30 PM
This can't be right. Luckily it's Balague, so highly likely it isn't.

https://twitter.com/GuillemBalague/status/925621451662733312

Why luckily? I mentioned him earlier in this thread as someone who probably is probably similar to Silva in terms of rep overseas, etc. Both are part of a big group of young Portugese managers that are quietly building decent careers.

Wolves no doubt have had a fair bit of cash spend but they look pretty good.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Brownie20 on November 01, 2017, 03:39:31 PM
Why luckily? I mentioned him earlier in this thread as someone who probably is probably similar to Silva in terms of rep overseas, etc. Both are part of a big group of young Portugese managers that are quietly building decent careers.

Wolves no doubt have had a fair bit of cash spend but they look pretty good.

Managed at a high level - Porto and Valencia. Wolves play some really good football, his middle name means hope - could be a goer
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: brap2 on November 01, 2017, 03:49:31 PM
He looks good, would be nice to take some wolves money and players with us.

No open links to fonseca yet...
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Polledreng on November 01, 2017, 03:54:29 PM
Why luckily? I mentioned him earlier in this thread as someone who probably is probably similar to Silva in terms of rep overseas, etc. Both are part of a big group of young Portugese managers that are quietly building decent careers.

Wolves no doubt have had a fair bit of cash spend but they look pretty good.
And he has told the board at Wolves that its absolutely stupid that the away fans always has been allocated the length of the pitch..  From what I-ve heard they will have to sit in the corner upper tier soon... They should have done that years ago.  My brohter is a Wolves supporter (and I watched them against Preston recently) and speeks wery highly of Nuno. Better than our Nuno thats for sure
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: BlueNoseMike on November 01, 2017, 03:54:53 PM
Managed at a high level - Porto and Valencia. Wolves play some really good football, his middle name means hope - could be a goer

Did well at Valencia (took them to 4th), which has been a bit of a poisoned chalice in recent memory. Won nothing at Porto in the 1 year he was there but is that a failure? There is and always will be 3 big teams competing in that competition and Benfica have had a stronghold on it recently*.


* I'd also look at the Benfica man, Rui Vitoria, another of these youngish Portugese chaps coming up the ranks.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: TheRam on November 01, 2017, 04:32:04 PM
I'd have him
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: GLewis on November 01, 2017, 04:45:17 PM
Managed at a high level - Porto and Valencia. Wolves play some really good football, his middle name means hope - could be a goer

Surname actually means Holy Spirit, so number one choice surely?! ;)
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Brownie20 on November 01, 2017, 05:05:17 PM
Surname actually means Holy Spirit, so number one choice surely?! ;)

I'm sold - where's the contract?
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: BlueForYou on November 01, 2017, 05:26:27 PM
Holy mackerel - as good as the holy trinity?
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: boothill on November 01, 2017, 05:29:14 PM
If we want a big name who'd get to grips with this squad and play with the younger lads there's only one obvious candidate.

Kevin Spacey.
Mark lawrenson as assistant ?
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: boothill on November 01, 2017, 05:36:35 PM
Im with the wolves guy, just because of his name, its divine intervention everyone, espirito sancto, amen
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Gary1878 on November 01, 2017, 05:38:55 PM
So as a choice, we have one of either Kevin Spacey, Dave Bassett, Nigel Pearson, Gary Megson, the Holy Spirit, or Sean Dyche.

Definately the Holy Spirit.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: BlueForYou on November 01, 2017, 05:48:45 PM
In the name of the father
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Trowel on November 01, 2017, 05:58:24 PM
Feels like Balague has just made up, run with, and shot down his own story. Standard.

https://twitter.com/GuillemBalague/status/925672664982806529
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Bluedylan on November 01, 2017, 06:11:01 PM
Christian Gross is available, but it's whether we could put an attractive enough package to tempt him. If you don't ask though...
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: boothill on November 01, 2017, 06:29:24 PM
Christian Gross is available, but it's whether we could put an attractive enough package to tempt him. If you don't ask though...
Thats the fella i was thinking of, has lime st reopened yet, loves trains doesnt he ?
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Brownie20 on November 01, 2017, 06:38:15 PM
Feels like Balague has just made up, run with, and shot down his own story. Standard.

https://twitter.com/GuillemBalague/status/925672664982806529

He giveth and He taketh away
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: pjk on November 01, 2017, 07:01:01 PM
The Guardian's reporting this is still a possibility?



https://twitter.com/guardian_sport/status/925702924092739585
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Tofifee on November 01, 2017, 07:18:50 PM
if we are knocked back by the 'kin Wolves manager, in the championship, then I really will lose all hope and we really will have to wonder, in the greater scheme of things.....who and what are we???  :(
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on November 01, 2017, 07:19:55 PM
The Guardian's reporting this is still a possibility?



https://twitter.com/guardian_sport/status/925702924092739585
They’re quite certain we’ve approached him - none of this ‘speculation is that...’ or ‘sky sources say...’
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Bluedylan on November 01, 2017, 07:21:06 PM
Hunter's on board with this info, so it would appear to be plausible. Leaning towards staying at Wolves, according to the article:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/nov/01/wolves-nuno-espirito-santo-everton-manager-offer
Title: Who should we go for?
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on November 01, 2017, 07:23:03 PM
if we are knocked back by the 'kin Wolves manager, in the championship, then I really will lose all hope and we really will have to wonder, in the greater scheme of things.....who and what are we???  :(
They are top and cruising TBF. Coming to us would be a lot of aggravation and a massive mess to sort out. Maybe doesn't want the hassle?
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Hawkandro on November 01, 2017, 07:24:26 PM
if we are knocked back by the 'kin Wolves manager, in the championship, then I really will lose all hope and we really will have to wonder, in the greater scheme of things.....who and what are we???  :(


It's not as straight forward as that though; he knows he has it good at Wolves - the fans backing, the boards backing, money, close friendship with members of the board. They could easily come up and stay up.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on November 01, 2017, 07:33:46 PM
It's not as straight forward as that though; he knows he has it good at Wolves - the fans backing, the boards backing, money, close friendship with members of the board. They could easily come up and stay up.
Exactly. Or come here, not turn it around and get sacked. Reputation taking a hit in the process.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: hill135 on November 01, 2017, 07:33:59 PM
He plays 3-4-3 so as a shameless football hipster I’m in.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: kramer0 on November 01, 2017, 07:40:20 PM
I'm sure if we hire enough failed Valencia managers, we'll finally find the right one.

Does anyone think we've really done our due diligence on this guy? This even more "pull a random name out of the hat" than Dyche or Allardyce.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Bluedylan on November 01, 2017, 07:43:59 PM
I'm sure if we hire enough failed Valencia managers, we'll finally find the right one.

Does anyone think we've really done our due diligence on this guy? This even more "pull a random name out of the hat" than Dyche or Allardyce.

We don't know that, either way, so that's pure speculation. They might've done loads of background on him. I think it at least shows a tiny bit more inagination than say, Dyche.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Bluedylan on November 01, 2017, 07:51:24 PM
I presume this would mean getting into bed with Jorge Mendes then?
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: ally2 on November 01, 2017, 07:53:30 PM
He plays 3-4-3 so as a shameless football hipster I'm in.

Hmmm. Agreed but 3-4-3 with dad's army at the back?
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: GLewis on November 01, 2017, 08:01:26 PM
Hmmm. Agreed but 3-4-3 with dad's army at the back?

Their age isn’t the problem (see Juve). They just don’t suit 3 at the back stylistically.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on November 01, 2017, 08:14:19 PM
So we’re going with flavour of the month then? Joy.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Tofifee on November 01, 2017, 08:14:51 PM
looking at the list...........i am starting to think I want Rafa................

Oh christ i feel dirty................
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: TheRam on November 01, 2017, 08:56:06 PM
I presume this would mean getting into bed with Jorge Mendes then?

Would you have an issue with that?

I'm kinda uneasy about it, but he opens up a lot of different avenues for us regarding players.

Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: TheRam on November 01, 2017, 08:57:25 PM
The fella has a good enough record for me.

He may have the best team in the league but it's not easy to find consistency in the championship, especially when you come from abroad.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: sirblue57 on November 01, 2017, 09:18:37 PM
Yes - but it's all gone so weird in here I can no longer tell which is which!


(https://media.tenor.co/images/ac2e97dbf63f79d288f8491b09141997/raw)
that gif just made me burst out laughing, now the wife's giving me odd looks..
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: blueToffee on November 01, 2017, 09:26:15 PM
This thread is already a rollercoaster, even in the last 3 pages.

Happy to see us linked with names other than Dyche and Allardyce, find out he has a boss middle name, then apparently he won't leave Wolves, but wait...he's considering it, however he's inclined to stay at Wolves.

Tend to think this sort of link means we've given up on Tuchel or he's said no. The Guardian/Andy Hunter are pretty reliable so I don't think we'd be waving an offer under this guy's nose if we were at all confidence of getting Tuchel in.

Which makes me kinda sad and makes me question our aspirations. Albeit slightly happy considering the Dyche story.

I wonder who we'll be linked with tomorrow. I would say from all these stories as a whole that it seems very likely that:

a.) Unsworth isn't getting the job barring a miracle turnaround.
b.) We'll likely have someone in before the international break.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: blueToffee on November 01, 2017, 09:31:05 PM
Would you have an issue with that?

I'm kinda uneasy about it, but he opens up a lot of different avenues for us regarding players.



Which is exactly what we need right now. Wolves were able to pull in a higher calibre of player because of the link. Given our situation, we need to do the same.

Some agents have more sway than most managers these days it would seem.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: TheRam on November 01, 2017, 09:51:17 PM
Talking of wolves, I wouldn't mind having a dabble on Dave Jones.

Knows the city well and has managed Barkley before in his Sheffield Wednesday days.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: TheRam on November 01, 2017, 09:52:02 PM
I'll stop now.

I'm in deep in the managerial wilderness and it's such a wonderful place to be at times.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: kramer0 on November 01, 2017, 09:53:11 PM
Their age isn’t the problem (see Juve). They just don’t suit 3 at the back stylistically.

Exactly. This is what I mean when I say we probably haven't done our due diligence. It's all well and good to go for somebody who's getting good results today, but some genuine thought needs to go into whether or not their style suits the club (especially the current playing staff). I see no evidence that Moshiri/Kenwright are doing this.

- We don't have much physicality in the front line so it's going to be hard for us to play a direct, long-passing style (Allardyce, Dyche).
- Our CBs aren't good in possession so it's going to be hard for us to play with three at the back (Nuno). Maybe Nuno can use Holgate at RCB and Baines at LCB but that still feels like a flimsy plan, especially considering that Baines has never played that sort of role.
- We have a very slow team so it's going to be hard for us to hire anyone who wants us to play a high line and/or press (most of the genuinely intriguing candidates).

[All of those things highlight how diabolical our recruitment was under Koeman/Walsh. These were three things that Koeman almost certainly wanted us to be able to do and we don't have the players to do any of them properly. We have few, if any, strengths as a team.]

Our best option right now probably involves playing a deliberate, careful style in possession to minimize cheap giveaways, with a mid-block or low-block defensively. We're not going to score tons of open-play goals this way, but we'll be organized and we can punish teams from set pieces (Sigurdsson needs to play), or with the odd good cut-back or cross from decent build-up play down the flanks, or with the odd direct pass behind the defense when we draw our opponents out. Basically a version of how Swansea played when they first got promoted. [For all that money. Garbage recruitment.]

What managers can realize this sort of approach? I'm not sure, exactly. Ted Knutson put Marcelino out there as a good fit but he's doing so well with Valencia that we're unlikely to be able to get him. Rodgers managed the aforementioned Swansea team, but he's a cringe-bag and probably wouldn't come here. Favre's teams tend to be organized and deliberate, though he does rely on pace for counter-attacking. Unsworth gave us a glimpse of this approach with his 4-3-3 against Chelsea (minus having Sigurdsson's set pieces on the pitch) but then totally abandoned the idea against Leicester.

It's a tough situation. But I think it's crucial to hire someone who can get us functioning with a minimal number of additions in January. We can't be buying a whole new group of players to suit a new manager every 2 years (or even less, as in our current situation). That's a surefire path to the bottom of the league.

Moshiri/Kenwright need to have a serious re-think about the way this club is run. Maybe do that root-and-branch analysis before getting into bed with a shiny, new, expensive manager. Figure out what you want for the club and pay whatever price for a proper director of football to oversee the project. That person will be more qualified to make decisions about managers, new players, and staff, i.e. all of the things that we're currently getting horribly wrong.

Edit: Apologies to @GLewis (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=258)  for dumping all of that into a reply to a short comment.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Evertonian in NC on November 01, 2017, 09:57:51 PM
Exactly. This is what I mean when I say we probably haven't done our due diligence. It's all well and good to go for somebody who's getting good results today, but some genuine thought needs to go into whether or not their style suits the club (especially the current playing staff). I see no evidence that Moshiri/Kenwright are doing this.

- We don't have much physicality in the front line so it's going to be hard for us to play a direct, long-passing style (Allardyce, Dyche).
- Our CBs aren't good in possession so it's going to be hard for us to play with three at the back (Nuno). Maybe Nuno can use Holgate at RCB and Baines at LCB but that still feels like a flimsy plan, especially considering that Baines has never played that sort of role.
- We have a very slow team so it's going to be hard for us to hire anyone who wants us to play a high line and/or press (most of the genuinely intriguing candidates).

[All of those things highlight how diabolical our recruitment was under Koeman/Walsh. These were three things that Koeman almost certainly wanted us to be able to do and we don't have the players to do any of them properly. We have few, if any, strengths as a team.]

Our best option right now probably involves playing a deliberate, careful style in possession to minimize cheap giveaways, with a mid-block or low-block defensively. We're not going to score tons of open-play goals this way, but we'll be organized and we can punish teams from set pieces (Sigurdsson needs to play), or with the odd good cut-back or cross from decent build-up play down the flanks, or with the odd direct pass behind the defense when we draw our opponents out. Basically like Swansea played when they first got promoted. [For all that money. Garbage recruitment.]

What managers can realize this sort of approach? I'm not sure, exactly. Ted Knutson put Marcelino out there as a good fit but he's doing so well with Valencia that we're unlikely to be able to get him. Rodgers managed the aforementioned Swansea team, but he's a cringe-bag and probably wouldn't come here. Favre's teams tend to be organized and deliberate, though he does rely on having pace for counter-attacking. Unsworth gave us a glimpse of this approach with his 4-3-3 against Chelsea (minus having Sigurdsson's set pieces on the pitch) but then totally abandoned the idea against Leicester.

It's a tough situation. But I think it's crucial to hire someone who can get us functioning with a minimal number of additions in January. We can't be buying a whole new group of players to suit a new manager every 2 years (or even less, as in our current situation). That's a surefire path to the bottom of the league.

Moshiri/Kenwright need to have a serious re-think about the way this club is run. Maybe do that root-and-branch analysis before getting into bed with a shiny, new, expensive manager. Figure out what you want for the club and pay whatever price for a proper director of football to oversee the project. That person will be more qualified to make decisions about managers, new players, and staff, i.e. all of the things that we're currently getting horribly wrong.

Edit: Apologies to @GLewis (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=258)  for dumping all of that into a reply to a short comment.

This all makes sense to me, and hopefully Favre or a deliberate (but visionary) Favre disciple/type is available.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: blueToffee on November 01, 2017, 10:13:36 PM
Exactly. This is what I mean when I say we probably haven't done our due diligence. It's all well and good to go for somebody who's getting good results today, but some genuine thought needs to go into whether or not their style suits the club (especially the current playing staff). I see no evidence that Moshiri/Kenwright are doing this.

- We don't have much physicality in the front line so it's going to be hard for us to play a direct, long-passing style (Allardyce, Dyche).
- Our CBs aren't good in possession so it's going to be hard for us to play with three at the back (Nuno). Maybe Nuno can use Holgate at RCB and Baines at LCB but that still feels like a flimsy plan, especially considering that Baines has never played that sort of role.
- We have a very slow team so it's going to be hard for us to hire anyone who wants us to play a high line and/or press (most of the genuinely intriguing candidates).

[All of those things highlight how diabolical our recruitment was under Koeman/Walsh. These were three things that Koeman almost certainly wanted us to be able to do and we don't have the players to do any of them properly. We have few, if any, strengths as a team.]

Our best option right now probably involves playing a deliberate, careful style in possession to minimize cheap giveaways, with a mid-block or low-block defensively. We're not going to score tons of open-play goals this way, but we'll be organized and we can punish teams from set pieces (Sigurdsson needs to play), or with the odd good cut-back or cross from decent build-up play down the flanks, or with the odd direct pass behind the defense when we draw our opponents out. Basically like Swansea played when they first got promoted. [For all that money. Garbage recruitment.]

What managers can realize this sort of approach? I'm not sure, exactly. Ted Knutson put Marcelino out there as a good fit but he's doing so well with Valencia that we're unlikely to be able to get him. Rodgers managed the aforementioned Swansea team, but he's a cringe-bag and probably wouldn't come here. Favre's teams tend to be organized and deliberate, though he does rely on pace for counter-attacking. Unsworth gave us a glimpse of this approach with his 4-3-3 against Chelsea (minus having Sigurdsson's set pieces on the pitch) but then totally abandoned the idea against Leicester.

It's a tough situation. But I think it's crucial to hire someone who can get us functioning with a minimal number of additions in January. We can't be buying a whole new group of players to suit a new manager every 2 years (or even less, as in our current situation). That's a surefire path to the bottom of the league.

Moshiri/Kenwright need to have a serious re-think about the way this club is run. Maybe do that root-and-branch analysis before getting into bed with a shiny, new, expensive manager. Figure out what you want for the club and pay whatever price for a proper director of football to oversee the project. That person will be more qualified to make decisions about managers, new players, and staff, i.e. all of the things that we're currently getting horribly wrong.

Edit: Apologies to @GLewis (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=258)  for dumping all of that into a reply to a short comment.

Whoever comes in, we're going to have to invest some key players to make any of it work.

I think we have such little identity in the squad to play in any coherent way that we need some additions to make pretty much any system work. January is as important as the manager (pretty much).
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: kramer0 on November 01, 2017, 10:18:16 PM
Whoever comes in, we're going to have to invest some key players to make any of it work.

I think we have such little identity in the squad to play in any coherent way that we need some additions to make pretty much any system work. January is as important as the manager (pretty much).

I agree that we need new players to really make this team work. But it would be best if we hired people who could make that happen with as few additions as possible.

January is an impossible time for major squad overhauls.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: boothill on November 01, 2017, 10:24:27 PM
Avram grant , done deal
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: sixymack on November 01, 2017, 10:26:46 PM
Whoever comes in, we're going to have to invest some key players to make any of it work.

I think we have such little identity in the squad to play in any coherent way that we need some additions to make pretty much any system work. January is as important as the manager (pretty much).


Aitor Karanka anyone???
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Jimmywhack on November 01, 2017, 10:47:32 PM

Aitor Karanka anyone???
The fact he is one of the top names linked with Sunderland says a lot
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: BlueForYou on November 01, 2017, 10:47:51 PM
If you are looking at Championship managers, keep an eye on ex Everton player Gary Rowett

Did well with Burton, was doing a good job at Birmingham and now beginning to get results for Derby (wouldn't bet against them for promotion)

His time may not be now but one to assess for 2019 when his contract runs out - if we're still in the mire, of course

On a par with Dixons Dyche, Holy Moses and Fireman Sam



Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Jimmywhack on November 01, 2017, 10:48:53 PM
If you are looking at Championship managers, keep an eye on ex Everton player Gary Rowett

Did well with Burton, was doing a good job at Birmingham and now beginning to get results for Derby (wouldn't bet against them for promotion)

His time may not be now but one to assess for 2019 when his contract runs out - if we're still in the mire, of course

On a par with Dixons Dyche, Holy Moses and Fireman Sam
Except dyche and Allardyce have got out of the championship and stayed in the pl

Bar that, it's the same
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: BlueForYou on November 01, 2017, 10:52:22 PM
Watch his progress over the next two seasons - assuming he does progress!
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: toffee_scot on November 01, 2017, 11:18:39 PM
It's a tough situation. But I think it's crucial to hire someone who can get us functioning with a minimal number of additions in January. We can't be buying a whole new group of players to suit a new manager every 2 years (or even less, as in our current situation). That's a surefire path to the bottom of the league.

Moshiri/Kenwright need to have a serious re-think about the way this club is run. Maybe do that root-and-branch analysis before getting into bed with a shiny, new, expensive manager. Figure out what you want for the club and pay whatever price for a proper director of football to oversee the project. That person will be more qualified to make decisions about managers, new players, and staff, i.e. all of the things that we're currently getting horribly wrong.
I really hope Moshiri and Kenwright are reflecting about the way the club is run on the footballing side including the issues you've highlighted.

I'd very much like to see what the contract/job description looks like for the current director of football role at Everton - did they just use the template for the chief scout contract vacated by Kevin Reeves and just jazzed us some of the terminology I wonder?
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Jimmywhack on November 01, 2017, 11:32:03 PM
New odds (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171101/bcd5c4727177a142cca2d085abcdb6e3.jpg)
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: loroloco on November 01, 2017, 11:35:57 PM
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: pjk on November 01, 2017, 11:43:33 PM
Watch his progress over the next two seasons - assuming he does progress!



I've kept an eye on Rowett for some time now. He looks pretty useful from what he's done up till now. As you mention. "he might not be ready just yet," possibly one for the future though:)
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: GLewis on November 02, 2017, 01:45:51 AM
Exactly. This is what I mean when I say we probably haven't done our due diligence. It's all well and good to go for somebody who's getting good results today, but some genuine thought needs to go into whether or not their style suits the club (especially the current playing staff). I see no evidence that Moshiri/Kenwright are doing this.

- We don't have much physicality in the front line so it's going to be hard for us to play a direct, long-passing style (Allardyce, Dyche).
- Our CBs aren't good in possession so it's going to be hard for us to play with three at the back (Nuno). Maybe Nuno can use Holgate at RCB and Baines at LCB but that still feels like a flimsy plan, especially considering that Baines has never played that sort of role.
- We have a very slow team so it's going to be hard for us to hire anyone who wants us to play a high line and/or press (most of the genuinely intriguing candidates).

[All of those things highlight how diabolical our recruitment was under Koeman/Walsh. These were three things that Koeman almost certainly wanted us to be able to do and we don't have the players to do any of them properly. We have few, if any, strengths as a team.]

Our best option right now probably involves playing a deliberate, careful style in possession to minimize cheap giveaways, with a mid-block or low-block defensively. We're not going to score tons of open-play goals this way, but we'll be organized and we can punish teams from set pieces (Sigurdsson needs to play), or with the odd good cut-back or cross from decent build-up play down the flanks, or with the odd direct pass behind the defense when we draw our opponents out. Basically a version of how Swansea played when they first got promoted. [For all that money. Garbage recruitment.]

What managers can realize this sort of approach? I'm not sure, exactly. Ted Knutson put Marcelino out there as a good fit but he's doing so well with Valencia that we're unlikely to be able to get him. Rodgers managed the aforementioned Swansea team, but he's a cringe-bag and probably wouldn't come here. Favre's teams tend to be organized and deliberate, though he does rely on pace for counter-attacking. Unsworth gave us a glimpse of this approach with his 4-3-3 against Chelsea (minus having Sigurdsson's set pieces on the pitch) but then totally abandoned the idea against Leicester.

It's a tough situation. But I think it's crucial to hire someone who can get us functioning with a minimal number of additions in January. We can't be buying a whole new group of players to suit a new manager every 2 years (or even less, as in our current situation). That's a surefire path to the bottom of the league.

Moshiri/Kenwright need to have a serious re-think about the way this club is run. Maybe do that root-and-branch analysis before getting into bed with a shiny, new, expensive manager. Figure out what you want for the club and pay whatever price for a proper director of football to oversee the project. That person will be more qualified to make decisions about managers, new players, and staff, i.e. all of the things that we're currently getting horribly wrong.

Edit: Apologies to @GLewis (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=258)  for dumping all of that into a reply to a short comment.

Not sure pace is that important for pressing as I’d put most of it down to positional sense and awareness.

Niasse is reasonably fast but his reactions are poor. You need everyone moving in sync rather than players being quick-ish but not making up the half yard that they lost in their head.

Most if not all of our players are now hard working so if the distances are kept small then you can still press (Spurs have few fast midfielders and attackers for example or Barça peak Guardiola).
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Topper on November 02, 2017, 01:49:41 AM
Going by current results the poll I don't think an Allardyce or Dyche appointment would be overly popular.  I see on the BBC that they have stated that the wolves boss Santo has said he does not want to leave the club despite interest from Everton.  I honestly can't see us being in for him but I could be wrong.

 I'm hoping against hope that we get a top manager who will be able to get us going and not some of the 'relegation messiah's' that the press are constantly linking us with. I know we are currently in the bottom 3 but at the end of the day we are only really a couple of wins from the top half, its not as if we are 10 points adrift and rock bottom at Christmas.

At least any new manager coming in has the next 2 months to evaluate what he needs to add to the squad in Jan (Striker obviously) but then again there are probably numerous players in the current squad that he will not deem good enough and will need replaced. 

Im hoping Sandro gets a couple of games to try and get him a bit more up to speed in the league as surely it would be great to get him up top scoring a couple to give us some options as he has looked way off the pace this season but I do think there is a player in there.  Like Calvert Lewin he has looked raw but I think over the course of the season he is bound to come good and start banging them in but problem is we don't have the time needed at the minute to persevere with players playing poorly.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 02, 2017, 01:56:08 AM
Going by current results the poll I don't think an Allardyce or Dyche appointment would be overly popular.  I see on the BBC that they have stated that the wolves boss Santo has said he does not want to leave the club despite interest from Everton.  I honestly can't see us being in for him but I could be wrong.

 I'm hoping against hope that we get a top manager who will be able to get us going and not some of the 'relegation messiah's' that the press are constantly linking us with. I know we are currently in the bottom 3 but at the end of the day we are only really a couple of wins from the top half, its not as if we are 10 points adrift and rock bottom at Christmas.

At least any new manager coming in has the next 2 months to evaluate what he needs to add to the squad in Jan (Striker obviously) but then again there are probably numerous players in the current squad that he will not deem good enough and will need replaced. 

Im hoping Sandro gets a couple of games to try and get him a bit more up to speed in the league as surely it would be great to get him up top scoring a couple to give us some options as he has looked way off the pace this season but I do think there is a player in there.  Like Calvert Lewin he has looked raw but I think over the course of the season he is bound to come good and start banging them in but problem is we don't have the time needed at the minute to persevere with players playing poorly.

We've got to give sandro and extended run now. We've tried DCL and I know I'm on my own in this but he's been our biggest problem. I'm simply not having a boy who's got about 1 in 20 in the league is currently a better bet than someone who scored 16 last season in la liga. We've got to give the likes of sandro, klassen and lookman lots of games and hope they come good because the players we are currently playing are falling well short
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Toddacelli on November 02, 2017, 02:00:03 AM
Exactly. This is what I mean when I say we probably haven't done our due diligence. It's all well and good to go for somebody who's getting good results today, but some genuine thought needs to go into whether or not their style suits the club (especially the current playing staff). I see no evidence that Moshiri/Kenwright are doing this.

- We don't have much physicality in the front line so it's going to be hard for us to play a direct, long-passing style (Allardyce, Dyche).
- Our CBs aren't good in possession so it's going to be hard for us to play with three at the back (Nuno). Maybe Nuno can use Holgate at RCB and Baines at LCB but that still feels like a flimsy plan, especially considering that Baines has never played that sort of role.
- We have a very slow team so it's going to be hard for us to hire anyone who wants us to play a high line and/or press (most of the genuinely intriguing candidates).

[All of those things highlight how diabolical our recruitment was under Koeman/Walsh. These were three things that Koeman almost certainly wanted us to be able to do and we don't have the players to do any of them properly. We have few, if any, strengths as a team.]

Our best option right now probably involves playing a deliberate, careful style in possession to minimize cheap giveaways, with a mid-block or low-block defensively. We're not going to score tons of open-play goals this way, but we'll be organized and we can punish teams from set pieces (Sigurdsson needs to play), or with the odd good cut-back or cross from decent build-up play down the flanks, or with the odd direct pass behind the defense when we draw our opponents out. Basically a version of how Swansea played when they first got promoted. [For all that money. Garbage recruitment.]

What managers can realize this sort of approach? I'm not sure, exactly. Ted Knutson put Marcelino out there as a good fit but he's doing so well with Valencia that we're unlikely to be able to get him. Rodgers managed the aforementioned Swansea team, but he's a cringe-bag and probably wouldn't come here. Favre's teams tend to be organized and deliberate, though he does rely on pace for counter-attacking. Unsworth gave us a glimpse of this approach with his 4-3-3 against Chelsea (minus having Sigurdsson's set pieces on the pitch) but then totally abandoned the idea against Leicester.

It's a tough situation. But I think it's crucial to hire someone who can get us functioning with a minimal number of additions in January. We can't be buying a whole new group of players to suit a new manager every 2 years (or even less, as in our current situation). That's a surefire path to the bottom of the league.

Moshiri/Kenwright need to have a serious re-think about the way this club is run. Maybe do that root-and-branch analysis before getting into bed with a shiny, new, expensive manager. Figure out what you want for the club and pay whatever price for a proper director of football to oversee the project. That person will be more qualified to make decisions about managers, new players, and staff, i.e. all of the things that we're currently getting horribly wrong.

Edit: Apologies to @GLewis (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=258)  for dumping all of that into a reply to a short comment.

Thank you. I love posts like this, I learn so much.

For all the years I've been playing and watching - when someone comes out with something like this it just illustrates how some people can see things about this beautiful game that I would never see on my own.

Thanks for bringing me along!
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: sirblue57 on November 02, 2017, 02:25:59 AM
fat sam can fuck off, don't want him anywhere near the club, and if anyone thinks he is the answer, they are asking the wrong bloody question.
total lack of thought,ambition and class.

he would have the shite laughing at us admitting we are a small club.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 02, 2017, 02:34:04 AM
fat sam can fuck off, don't want him anywhere near the club, and if anyone thinks he is the answer, they are asking the wrong bloody question.
total lack of thought,ambition and class.

he would have the shite laughing at us admitting we are a small club.

Definitely not laughing currently are they
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: sirblue57 on November 02, 2017, 02:37:48 AM
Definitely not laughing currently are they

Why ? As shite as they are, we always manage to be worse. Fat sam would make them piss themselves at us.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 02, 2017, 02:44:21 AM
Why ? As shite as they are, we always manage to be worse. Fat sam would make them piss themselves at us.

Who cares if they laugh. "Fat Sam" has always been a very good manager. Why would it concern you what they think. They'll laugh a lot harder if we appoint an unknown quantity and go down.
I'm not massively in favour of anyone on the list. I'm not sure how anyone can be that inspired by any or that upset by the 1s we have real knowledge of. Who do you want
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Waltzer on November 02, 2017, 02:46:54 AM


I've kept an eye on Rowett for some time now. He looks pretty useful from what he's done up till now. As you mention. "he might not be ready just yet," possibly one for the future though:)
I'd personally rather go with Rowett over Dyche and a million percent over Unworth. He's got good experience and had decent results
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: dunkster on November 02, 2017, 02:53:55 AM
Over the Last few years I've pitied the teams who have had the likes of allardyse and pullis in charge. A kinda safe-ish, bog standard, mid table manager for mid table, wanna remain in the premiership, can't get anyone better, teams.
How the fuck did we add to that group !!!
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Gash on November 02, 2017, 03:01:19 AM
Imagine the mess on here if we get Alerdyce Allerdyce Alardyce Allergic Allardyce, most people can't even spell his fucking name right. ;)
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: hill135 on November 02, 2017, 03:02:11 AM
This Nuno is on crack if he really wants to stay at fucking Wolves over taking over here.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: indiantoffee1975 on November 02, 2017, 03:05:50 AM
Get Pochettino in. Look at this fella. Hes got Spurs competing with the likes of Real Madrid. One can only dream thats what it is now a dream.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: hill135 on November 02, 2017, 03:47:42 AM
Guardian says the Holy Spirit is considering it.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/nov/01/wolves-nuno-espirito-santo-everton-manager-offer
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: everton1952 on November 02, 2017, 05:48:42 AM
I thought the Guardian only employed atheists?
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: blueToffee on November 02, 2017, 05:50:55 AM
Guardian says the Holy Spirit is considering it.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/nov/01/wolves-nuno-espirito-santo-everton-manager-offer

BBC more recently says he isn't interested.

http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/41836905
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Cereal Killer on November 02, 2017, 06:05:16 AM
BBC more recently says he isn't interested.

http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/41836905

All a bit meaningless

Koeman wasn't interested in joining us either
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on November 02, 2017, 01:05:38 PM
All a bit meaningless

Koeman wasn't interested in joining us either

The bbc article is awful. Especially as kopites are using it for point scoring purposes.
Title: Rejected....by the Wolves manager
Post by: Tofifee on November 02, 2017, 09:24:28 PM
Wolves
Championship club Wolves
They of Steve Bull and Matt Murray etc

Their Portugese manager, in the championship, has rejected taking the Everton job...
Preferring to stay at Wolves

WOLVES

Stop the world, i wanna get off  :titanic: :titanic:
Title: Re: Rejected....by the Wolves manager
Post by: KevtheRat on November 02, 2017, 09:26:33 PM
As if he's even been offered it.
Title: Re: Rejected....by the Wolves manager
Post by: kramer0 on November 02, 2017, 09:28:48 PM
Jorge Mendes, his agent, is connected to the club and is funneling his clients (even some really good ones like Ruben Neves and Diogo Jota) there.

Plus, I'm not convinced that he's actually that good of a manager. Congrats on getting to the top of the Championship 15 games in with Champions League quality youngsters in your side. What an accomplishment.

More worried that we might have actually offered him the job than him rejecting us.
Title: Re: Rejected....by the Wolves manager
Post by: Macca77 on November 02, 2017, 09:30:12 PM
Its impossible to reject something which you haven't been offered in the first place.

Move along, nothing to see here
Title: Re: Rejected....by the Wolves manager
Post by: Waltzer on November 02, 2017, 09:30:21 PM
What evidence is there that any of this is actually true?
Title: Re: Rejected....by the Wolves manager
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on November 02, 2017, 09:38:13 PM
What evidence is there that any of this is actually true?

Kopites.
Title: Re: Rejected....by the Wolves manager
Post by: ally2 on November 02, 2017, 09:40:00 PM
It would be most helpful to have all this stuff in one manager thread if possible
Title: Re: Rejected....by the Wolves manager
Post by: D15TIN on November 02, 2017, 09:44:01 PM
Wolves
Championship club Wolves
They of Steve Bull and Matt Murray etc

Their Portugese manager, in the championship, has rejected taking the Everton job...
Preferring to stay at Wolves

WOLVES

Stop the world, i wanna get off  :titanic: :titanic:
It's not that surprising - why would he change a good thing at wolves, he'll likely get promoted. Were in a mess with unrealistic ambitions- it's not that attractive to all
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Tofifee on November 02, 2017, 10:19:21 PM
Christ thats depressing
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: therealdunc on November 02, 2017, 10:28:20 PM
John Barnes has stated he wants another job in football management

Great player in his time despite being a red.
Not such a great manager at Celtic and Tranmere
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Tofifee on November 02, 2017, 10:31:45 PM
ok, from left field but considering who we are being linked with.....
What about....

AVB?

He must be frozen over in Russia by now like.....
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: therealdunc on November 02, 2017, 10:33:50 PM
ok, from left field but considering who we are being linked with.....
What about....

AVB?

He must be frozen over in Russia by now like.....

AVB is all about AVB

Lots written about how he loves himself and it’s all about him.

One to avoid IMO
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Gash on November 02, 2017, 10:48:52 PM
ok, from left field but considering who we are being linked with.....
What about....

AVB?

He must be frozen over in Russia by now like.....

He's in China earning about a billion a month.

Can't see him coming back to England unless he's matured a lot, he couldn't handle the media.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: boothill on November 02, 2017, 11:43:25 PM
Sam odds on 😭
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: blueToffee on November 03, 2017, 12:08:59 AM
wrong thread.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: velimski on November 03, 2017, 02:10:23 AM
Is Mike Walker available?
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: toshyboy on November 03, 2017, 02:23:39 AM
Based on the way we’re playing and 5 defeats on the run,  it’s reluctantly gotta be Allardyce now. Ideally on a short term deal with a view to going after Marco silva in the summer
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Macca77 on November 03, 2017, 02:36:43 AM
An appointment must be made asap now, new manager will have his work cut out with the lot of players hes inheriting
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Cozzie on November 03, 2017, 02:39:39 AM
Allardyce will only want a short term deal anyway.

He will be handed the job I reckon.

Never thought I would ever see the day this happened at Everton but there ya go.

Would love a more progressive manager but at least we wont be "stuck" with allardyce.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Macca77 on November 03, 2017, 02:40:12 AM
https://twitter.com/ALANMYERSMEDIA/status/926185788886470666
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: toshyboy on November 03, 2017, 03:08:51 AM
https://twitter.com/ALANMYERSMEDIA/status/926185788886470666

Risky imo, it’s not just the results it’s the way we’re being beaten. 5 defeats on the spin now. We need as close to guaranteed (relative) success as u can get. Of the names mentioned only Big Sam offers that for me. Wolves guy, anyone from outside the PL and even dyche all too much of a risk given our precarious position for me
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: brap2 on November 03, 2017, 04:06:55 AM
AVB is all about AVB

Lots written about how he loves himself and it’s all about him.

One to avoid IMO

Bro you just mentioned John Barnes
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Coyb12 on November 03, 2017, 04:10:55 AM
https://twitter.com/ALANMYERSMEDIA/status/926185788886470666
Stick with Unsworth and we go down,he's playing Aaron Lennon ffs,says everything about him totally out of his comfort zone.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: TheRam on November 03, 2017, 04:11:39 AM
What's Ronnie Moore up to these days?
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Glory on November 03, 2017, 05:22:41 AM
Give me the gig. I can organise my 5-aside team pretty well. We'll be a bit leaky but I'll bring some Phil Neville stepover flair to the role.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: sixymack on November 03, 2017, 07:28:56 AM
Would rather give Moyes another shot instead of Big Sam or Dyche to be honest.

(Cue the "but we have moved on as a club@ etc etc etc).

Have we really progressed since he left.

The answer is a resounding no.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: boothill on November 03, 2017, 07:40:47 AM
Now them 3 away games are out of the way, will we see more candidates putting themselves forward ? Afterall who would want them games to start a new career, hiding to nothing
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: bluenuck on November 03, 2017, 09:33:14 AM
Would rather give Moyes another shot instead of Big Sam or Dyche to be honest.

(Cue the "but we have moved on as a club@ etc etc etc).

Have we really progressed since he left.

The answer is a resounding no.

I don't think It's really about we've moved on. In my opinion It's more about him, not us. he hasn't progressed as a manager. Look at United, real sociedad, Sunderland. He's not progressing in his line of work. He's going backwards.

We need to find someone more progressive thinking then him. The sport is always evolving. Adapt or die.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: BlueMaquis on November 03, 2017, 10:41:01 AM
If it's survival we want, shouldn't we look into getting Martinez back? Doesn't he hold our record points haul, or win ratio or something like that?
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: TheTone on November 03, 2017, 11:17:21 AM
If it's survival we want, shouldn't we look into getting Martinez back?

NO
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Bluedylan on November 03, 2017, 12:58:31 PM
What's Steve Coppell upto these days?
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Sir Stealth on November 03, 2017, 12:58:50 PM
Moyes and Martinez would still be lower in the pecking order than Dyche and Allardyce for me

Moyes has flunked in his last 3 jobs. Martinez started great and ended shite. If the team was solid and not conceding many but needed more attacking flair and freedom then maybe you could entertain the idea of Martinez, in a bizarre way. But with how things are now, and that last time he had a real relegation battle he lost it, why the hell would we consider him

Fairly sure the board will give it to either Allardyce or Dyche
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Ridge on November 03, 2017, 01:28:14 PM
Was thinking Van Gaal's wife must be bored shitless of hearing about Jose and United.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Goughie on November 03, 2017, 01:35:18 PM
Im hoping the board have appointed a new manager by now, and will officially unveil him after the Watford game. This would give him maximum time with the squad over the international break and time before our next PL fixture.
I honestly have no idea who i want/we need/can get or anything.
Think they woukd give it to Dyche over Big Sam personality as it would look like a bit of progression as he’s young and they could blag he’s “sold on”, and “committed to the Everton project”.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Trublue on November 03, 2017, 01:38:17 PM
I can only see us either getting a manager, without a club or from a lower league. No one is going to leave from a club doing well to us at the moment. Whoever gets it has two full months until he can buy a striker and hopefully a defender or three. Don't be expecting a good manager we will be excited over. It's not going to happen.  You only get those in the summer.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: hill135 on November 03, 2017, 02:28:21 PM
Reckon we should go for Dario Gradi but not sure we could tempt him given his loyalty to Crewe
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Hawkandro on November 03, 2017, 02:28:42 PM
https://twitter.com/ALANMYERSMEDIA/status/926185788886470666

Guaranteed relegation if we do that.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Macca77 on November 03, 2017, 05:26:58 PM
Butty van man has just proclaimed that Allardyce will be at the Watford match on Sunday as Moshiri's "guest"
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: everton1952 on November 03, 2017, 05:37:37 PM
I heard Big Sam is at Sunderland discussing terms for a 2 year contract.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Brownie20 on November 03, 2017, 06:03:01 PM
Hissing latest name being thrown about
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Rhys on November 03, 2017, 06:04:20 PM
Hissing latest name being thrown about

Bit of a snake that one...
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Brownie20 on November 03, 2017, 06:06:04 PM
Bit of a snake that one...

FFS I even checked it before posting

HIDDINK
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: gizzblue on November 03, 2017, 06:08:39 PM
FFS I even checked it before posting

HIDDINK
Hahaha 😅😅..was wondering who the hell Hissing was .
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: BlueForYou on November 03, 2017, 06:10:39 PM
Sting in the tail, that one

Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Brownie20 on November 03, 2017, 06:10:45 PM
Hahaha 😅😅..was wondering who the hell Hissing was .

When you've been here a bit longer you will learn I am the king of the typos/autocorrect postings
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: hill135 on November 03, 2017, 06:21:49 PM
Hiddink would be good interim appointment
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Bluedylan on November 03, 2017, 06:31:56 PM
Just wondering if Steve Kean could drag us out of this position? Might be too much of a step down for him though.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: GLewis on November 03, 2017, 06:34:16 PM
Hissing latest name being thrown about


Should work well with the Booing that is often heard at Everton matches.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: pjk on November 03, 2017, 06:43:43 PM
Hiddink would settle my frayed nerves as an interim. :)
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on November 03, 2017, 06:46:30 PM
Hiddink would be good interim appointment
Got the same levels of tact as Koeman. I don’t think our delicate little flowers would like another disciplinarian.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: BlueForYou on November 03, 2017, 07:31:26 PM
Dead right, too many wilters - apart from the mentally tough, Rooney
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: everton1952 on November 03, 2017, 08:35:45 PM
Does "Hissing" speak any English?  I will never criticise any foreign person whose English is poor, but it is a serious consideration when it comes down to communicating with the players. There have been so many names of potential managers from abroad offered in these threads, and I would not consider any who need an interpreter.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Hawkandro on November 03, 2017, 09:04:04 PM
Hiddink does speak English.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: BlueForYou on November 03, 2017, 09:09:19 PM
Probably not a bad idea hiring someone who doesn't speak English

When Pochettino first arrived he couldn't speak a word of it - had a full time translator

People were rolling about laughing, they're not laughing now

Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: MexicanToffee on November 03, 2017, 09:32:33 PM
Fat Sam now odds on favourite...for the love of God, how has it come to this.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: BlueForYou on November 03, 2017, 11:45:30 PM
Moshiri waving the retreat flag if it's to be Allardyce
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: TheRam on November 04, 2017, 12:28:37 AM
I see Kevin Nolan is doing a cracking job at Notts County.

Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: kramer0 on November 04, 2017, 12:33:28 AM
I see Kevin Nolan is doing a cracking job at Notts County.



Ha. One of my least favorite players ever. And a Kopite to boot.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: TheRam on November 04, 2017, 12:38:11 AM
Ha. One of my least favorite players ever. And a Kopite to boot.

Knows the city and its people well and will bring Alan Smith with him.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: kramer0 on November 04, 2017, 12:38:39 AM
Knows the city and its people well and will bring Alan Smith with him.

No deal unless he can get Riquelme too.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Jimmywhack on November 04, 2017, 12:40:35 AM
My biggest concern with Allardyce isn't the fact he is fat headed sweaty mess, it's that I don't want to see our u23 side being dismantled by him bringing in his goons
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: TheRam on November 04, 2017, 12:42:57 AM
And who did big Sam love as a player?

It's only an Allerdyce/Nolan dream team for the blues.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: kramer0 on November 04, 2017, 12:51:50 AM
My biggest concern with Allardyce isn't the fact he is fat headed sweaty mess, it's that I don't want to see our u23 side being dismantled by him bringing in his goons

True. He has pretty much no history of developing young players and you'd have to say that our U23s are one of our biggest strengths right now.

I think there are some things that Allardyce does genuinely well. He has a great track record for improving defenders, he understands the importance of shot locations (he actually got Andros Townsend to take a shot in the box last season, I saw it with my own eyes), and he knows the value of set pieces (and we have Sigurdsson). But he's unlikely to do anything good for us beyond squeezing the maximum out of the squad for the remainder of the season.

We've really left ourselves in the shit here. Would be nice if we could go back in time and appoint someone with a better track record of developing young players and with less regressive ideas about how football should be played than Koeman. Like Favre, who was unattached and on our shortlist. So glad we chose to make a "statement" instead.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Sir Stealth on November 04, 2017, 01:09:32 AM
The Kevin Nolan Chicken Dance is amongst the worst things that has happened in the history of the universe
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: TheTone on November 04, 2017, 01:14:57 AM
is Allardyce really Moshiri's guest for this game Sunday?
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: kramer0 on November 04, 2017, 01:32:01 AM
is Allardyce really Moshiri's guest for this game Sunday?

Would be funny if true. Like a lower-table version of when City hired Mancini.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Macca77 on November 04, 2017, 01:50:00 AM
is Allardyce really Moshiri's guest for this game Sunday?

Of course not
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Audrey Horne on November 04, 2017, 04:09:12 AM
https://twitter.com/johnmerro1/status/926568060621918210
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on November 04, 2017, 04:26:30 AM
Her tweet doesn't really make sense.

She's jumped straight from "we're in talks with Dyche" to "we'll make an announcement at the weekend" in the same sentence.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Heisenberg on November 04, 2017, 04:29:12 AM
Happy to exist FC
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Trowel on November 04, 2017, 04:40:49 AM
She's connected, but yeah a confusing claim.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Macca77 on November 04, 2017, 04:46:57 AM
Bollocks
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Macca77 on November 04, 2017, 04:53:00 AM
Burnley are away at Southampton tomorrow, so if we see footage of Dyche lashing his packet of fishermans friends into the fans at the end then its a go'er
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Brownie20 on November 04, 2017, 04:56:49 AM
She's connected, but yeah a confusing claim.

Is she the one who said before we appointed Koeman that the North West clubs were going to have the four best managers in the Prem?
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: sam of the south on November 04, 2017, 05:41:51 AM
Oh God.

@kramer0 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4360) please tell me some encouraging and incredibly detailed stuff translated for the layman regarding Sean Dyche's tactical preferences and management style  :-\
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: ally2 on November 04, 2017, 06:20:32 AM
I'm not a Dyche fan but at least with Dyche there's a crumb of possible comfort in that his career is possibly still on the rise.

I do think this squad needs a tough manager though who's going to kick arse and run long tactical sessions until we start to perform.

I want to see energy but I want to see it with some brains too. Then the fear must be dissolved.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Mayor Farnum on November 04, 2017, 06:44:51 AM
Down.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on November 04, 2017, 07:11:06 AM
Dyche was the most likely candidate all along. A pragmatist with potential. We probably sniffed around more exotic names but can’t imagine we got much encouragement. Good managers are usually at good clubs...erm...doing good.

I’ll get behind him. We call ourselves the school of science but Goodison is at its best when we’re playing at a high tempo and kicking 7 shades of shit out of the opposition. Dyche could be our man.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Cereal Killer on November 04, 2017, 07:55:52 AM
Apart from the abject shite Allardyce usually spouts, he also came out with the corker that he'd pick an experienced player in shit form every day of the week over a youngster that has massive potential because it wouldn't be worth the gamble on affecting his job prospects....   :wanker:
Title: Who should we go for?
Post by: kramer0 on November 04, 2017, 08:59:27 AM
Oh God.

@kramer0 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4360) please tell me some encouraging and incredibly detailed stuff translated for the layman regarding Sean Dyche's tactical preferences and management style  :-\

This chain of tweets is fun:

https://twitter.com/mixedknuts/status/915903461077766144 (https://twitter.com/mixedknuts/status/915903461077766144)

Then there's this about Burnley's defensive style:

https://statsbomb.com/2017/02/burnley-doing-it-differently/ (https://statsbomb.com/2017/02/burnley-doing-it-differently/)

Here's something about his tactics:

http://outsideoftheboot.com/2017/04/23/tactical-philosophy-sean-dyche/ (http://outsideoftheboot.com/2017/04/23/tactical-philosophy-sean-dyche/)

And he has a really nice watch:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-4071652/Sean-Dyche-Premier-League-clocks-45-000-watch-Bob-Bradley-ran-time-Swansea-week-donning-40-timepiece.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-4071652/Sean-Dyche-Premier-League-clocks-45-000-watch-Bob-Bradley-ran-time-Swansea-week-donning-40-timepiece.html)

Personal opinion: He's sound defensively but I worry about how his attacking style will translate to a club with elevated expectations. Burnley do not create many good chances and creating lots of good chances is necessary for any ambitious club. For example, Simeone, who's built his reputation on defensive rigidity and being miserable to play against, has consistently found ways for his teams to create (this is an underrated talent of his). Burnley have only two goals more than our worthless attack right now and, based on chance quality, one would expect them to have scored less (scary but true). A jump in player quality should help some but how much is a big question mark. I also wonder about his record with young players. He's clearly done great things for Trippier, Keane, Mee, Ings, Vokes, and Gray but it remains to be seen if he has the ability to get players from the U23 level to the first team. And that matters because, in my opinion, any candidate who isn't interested in our U23s can get fucked.

At the very least, hiring Dyche would torpedo Burnley's season, which would certainly ease some of our relegation fears. He is the show there.
Title: Dyche/Sam or Moyes Back?
Post by: Tofifee on November 04, 2017, 06:52:48 PM
Honestly, for me, Moyes back all day long

No that I want him back, I dont
But if it was a man who gets the club, who has been and to be fair, done it, versus The King in the North, or the media darling self apoointed "English Wenger".......I know who I would want

Welcome back Moysie lad!
Title: Re: Dyche/Sam or Moyes Back?
Post by: BlueBeagle on November 04, 2017, 06:57:10 PM
:bonk:
Title: Re: Dyche/Sam or Moyes Back?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 04, 2017, 07:02:50 PM
How could anyone argue for Moyes. He's got 3 big failures in a row. Least the other 2 have recent successes.
Title: Re: Dyche/Sam or Moyes Back?
Post by: sirblue57 on November 04, 2017, 07:03:22 PM
oh, this gonna be goooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooood...

<gets popcorn and comfy seat>  :smug: lolol
Title: Re: Dyche/Sam or Moyes Back?
Post by: Simon Paul on November 04, 2017, 07:03:38 PM
have all other football managers in the world been culled?

why do we only have a choice of those three?
Title: Re: Dyche/Sam or Moyes Back?
Post by: blargins on November 04, 2017, 07:05:12 PM
I'd sooner back myself over Moyes and I'm clueless on everything.
Title: Re: Dyche/Sam or Moyes Back?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 04, 2017, 07:05:33 PM
Honestly, for me, Moyes back all day long

No that I want him back, I dont
But if it was a man who gets the club, who has been and to be fair, done it, versus The King in the North, or the media darling self apoointed "English Wenger".......I know who I would want

Welcome back Moysie lad!

Does he get the club. He took the piss out of us leaving us hanging on with a new contract when he'd already been tapped up and then tried to bully us into selling our players cheap. He then discredited Martinez who was doing a great job (at that time)

Not that I really care about all that. 3 big failures in a row. What's the argument for him over the other 2? He's been here before.
Title: Re: Dyche/Sam or Moyes Back?
Post by: sam of the south on November 04, 2017, 07:07:35 PM
have all other football managers in the world been culled?

why do we only have a choice of those three?

Perpetuated by the press mainly, then it largely gets into the psyche of most who watch or are around football, and it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy of sorts
Title: Re: Dyche/Sam or Moyes Back?
Post by: sirblue57 on November 04, 2017, 07:08:50 PM
How could anyone argue for Moyes. He's got 3 big failures in a row. Least the other 2 have recent successes.

in fairness, we did play some lovely stuff at times, and some of the players he bought for buttons were exceptional. so over those two names, deffo before fat sam, and just about edges Dyche.

but I don't want him back as manager, DoF at a push, but would prefer a manager who has shown he can build a side that plays quality football.
if Moshiri truly wants the best for the club ,he should identify him and make him an offer dependant on two conditions, staying up, and achieving success, that is to good to refuse. short term solutions are not going to do.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: BlueMaquis on November 04, 2017, 07:17:48 PM
"Will you be having the pork faggots or the haggis today sir?""
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Gash on November 04, 2017, 07:20:44 PM
There's people out there that still think Tim Cahill could a job for us as well.

Moyes is done, I'll be surprised if he ever manages in the Premier League again. Honestly, you'd think he was the only manager out there at the moment.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Evertonian in NC on November 04, 2017, 07:23:26 PM
Re Moyes - only if the other choice was Fat Sam, and a coked-up Moshiri put a gun to my head.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Waltzer on November 04, 2017, 07:25:12 PM
There is a reason that Moyes doesn't even get a mention for most jobs now. Palace job has come up twice and he hasn't got a look in, Leicester, Southampton etc, it isn't cause he's a good manager. What he had at Everton worked at the time because of the circumstances, things have changed and he's not anywhere near the standard we should be aiming
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Tofifee on November 04, 2017, 07:43:06 PM
Fat sam 8/11
Dyche 11/10

Next fav is 18/1 Marco Silva!!
18/1!

So thats that then, its one or the other.

fff***ccckkk

i hate fat sam!
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Evertonian in NC on November 04, 2017, 07:52:35 PM
I mean, I have reservations about Dyche, but he's by no means a Seppuku move like the other.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: MexicanToffee on November 04, 2017, 09:02:25 PM
I'd sooner back myself over Moyes and I'm clueless on everything.
I'd back you over Moyes even if you voted for Trump.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Waltzer on November 04, 2017, 09:19:44 PM
Interesting quotes from Silva. Not discounting anything like you might expect:

Watford boss Marco Silva insists he has not been approached by Everton over their vacant managerial post.

The Portuguese, who takes his side to Goodison Park on Sunday, is reported to be on Everton’s shortlist to replace Ronald Koeman after he was sacked last month.

Silva has impressed during his stint in the Premier League, first at Hull during the second half of last season, and then during his short spell at Vicarage Road this term, too.

Everton, who are winless from their last eight matches, will be keen to act quickly, but Silva said he had not been in contact with anyone from the Merseyside club.

“Nobody has approached me and I am staying focused on the next match,” the 40-year-old said.

“We need to respect our club, our opponent and our sole focus is to prepare our players for the match on Sunday, and do the best we can to win.

“They will play at home. They are strong and they want to change the situation they are in. But regarding these rumours, now is not the moment to talk about them.”

Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Seahawk on November 04, 2017, 09:46:05 PM
Interesting quotes from Silva. Not discounting anything like you might expect:

Watford boss Marco Silva insists he has not been approached by Everton over their vacant managerial post.

The Portuguese, who takes his side to Goodison Park on Sunday, is reported to be on Everton’s shortlist to replace Ronald Koeman after he was sacked last month.

Silva has impressed during his stint in the Premier League, first at Hull during the second half of last season, and then during his short spell at Vicarage Road this term, too.

Everton, who are winless from their last eight matches, will be keen to act quickly, but Silva said he had not been in contact with anyone from the Merseyside club.

“Nobody has approached me and I am staying focused on the next match,” the 40-year-old said.

“We need to respect our club, our opponent and our sole focus is to prepare our players for the match on Sunday, and do the best we can to win.

“They will play at home. They are strong and they want to change the situation they are in. But regarding these rumours, now is not the moment to talk about them.”


Am I reading too much into this, or is he hinting that he would be interested in the job.
To be honest, I really can't see why any one wouldn't be interested. It wasn't that long ago that people were talking about us breaking into the top six. We have an ambitious majority shareholder, a new stadium on the horizon and a decent squad, that is for whatever reason under performing at present. We are not a shit team. We are a team that has been playing shit recently, but that can all change very quickly and probably will. In January we can invest in the areas that are needed and then push on. I am really not buying into this relegation talk.
Any ambitious, decent manager with half a brain would be crazy not to take on this Giant of a Club.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: cantoffee on November 04, 2017, 09:54:50 PM
How Everton would it be to have approached him prior to the match and reached an agreement only to have us score a shedload against them bringing Martinez flashbacks to all of us?
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: everton1952 on November 04, 2017, 10:09:25 PM
Big Sam the man has a plan. Anyone who reads it and disagrees with its logic is frankly stupid. Does that mean I want Big Sam? Well if someone deemed a better long term choice came along and applied essentially the same plan as Sam, then no, If not then Sam is the man for the job in the short term. This season is a write off anyway so let him or someone start a revival, and damn soon please. 
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: sixymack on November 04, 2017, 10:48:10 PM
Would like to see Eddie Howe get a crack at the job
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: TheRam on November 04, 2017, 10:52:42 PM
Dyche is the man for me.

Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 04, 2017, 10:54:47 PM
Dyche is the man for me.



They won again. I genuinely can't believe people think we are too good for him.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: gizzblue on November 04, 2017, 11:00:41 PM
Big Sam the man has a plan. Anyone who reads it and disagrees with its logic is frankly stupid. Does that mean I want Big Sam? Well if someone deemed a better long term choice came along and applied essentially the same plan as Sam, then no, If not then Sam is the man for the job in the short term. This season is a write off anyway so let him or someone start a revival, and damn soon please.
Sam's only plan is hoof and chase ....or lump it to our big man ....oh shite ere hang on a min big man ???...oh yeah he left...unles 5-7ft Rooney or Maybe Fuck Williams up there out the  way of our goal ask him to try and defend theirs in stead ...should bag us a few .
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: plumber on November 04, 2017, 11:01:51 PM
Dyche should be mad to come here at this stage.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Brownie20 on November 04, 2017, 11:05:18 PM
Big Sam the man has a plan. Anyone who reads it and disagrees with its logic is frankly stupid. Does that mean I want Big Sam? Well if someone deemed a better long term choice came along and applied essentially the same plan as Sam, then no, If not then Sam is the man for the job in the short term. This season is a write off anyway so let him or someone start a revival, and damn soon please. 

Is this his plan?

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/sam-allardyce-lays-out-blueprint-13858394

Because if it is, that's not a plan, it's an observation of where we are. Nothing in that article suggests how he would rectify our situation.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Brownie20 on November 04, 2017, 11:05:50 PM
Dyche is the man for me.



Me too.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Cozzie on November 04, 2017, 11:07:03 PM
Burnley 11 points above us now.

Hed be mad to leave.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Jimmywhack on November 04, 2017, 11:07:45 PM
Sam's only plan is hoof and chase ....or lump it to our big man ....oh shite ere hang on a min big man ???...oh yeah he left...unles 5-7ft Rooney or Maybe Fuck Williams up there out the  way of our goal ask him to try and defend theirs in stead ...should bag us a few .
Tbf and I'm not defending him but this is a man who signed djorkaef, Jay Jay okocha and kept a Sunderland side up by playing defoe up top.

His football style is not that far off moyes and there's plenty who want him back and let's be honest, koemans style and we were happy with that last season
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Brownie20 on November 04, 2017, 11:13:36 PM
Burnley 11 points above us now.

Hed be mad to leave.

That's what they said about Koeman leaving a side that had finished 7th twice for a side finishing 11th twice. It's all about looking at the situation and the future. Are Burnley likely to stay there or thereabouts Year on Year? Unlikely. Are we a better long term prospect for a manager to progress? Possibly.

Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: gizzblue on November 04, 2017, 11:16:40 PM
Tbf and I'm not defending him but this is a man who signed djorkaef, Jay Jay okocha and kept a Sunderland side up by playing defoe up top.

His football style is not that far off moyes and there's plenty who want him back and let's be honest, koemans style and we were happy with that last season
Tbh mate I never rated Koeman it was lump it to lukaku most of the time .and no plan b.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Jimmywhack on November 04, 2017, 11:19:59 PM
Tbh mate I never rated Koeman it was lump it to lukaku most of the time .and no plan b.
Kinda my point
We were winning so people were happy.... Well as happy as Evertonians can be
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Cozzie on November 04, 2017, 11:20:05 PM
That's what they said about Koeman leaving a side that had finished 7th twice for a side finishing 11th twice. It's all about looking at the situation and the future. Are Burnley likely to stay there or thereabouts Year on Year? Unlikely. Are we a better long term prospect for a manager to progress? Possibly.



Hope that's the case like. Im warming to us getting him.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Shogun on November 04, 2017, 11:21:11 PM
Eddie Howe lads.

Plays a brand of football which lends itself well to a better standard of players.

You won't be able to tell the difference between us and Burnley if Dyche comes here.

The fact he's brought in Wood, Barnes, Walters and Vokes tells you what sort of thing you're going to get if he comes here.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: TheRam on November 04, 2017, 11:21:16 PM
He'd be mad not to leave.

Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Brownie20 on November 04, 2017, 11:24:59 PM
Hope that's the case like. Im warming to us getting him.

From what I've seen and researched since he's been linked I think he's the best candidate. I don't know enough about the likes of Tuchel (although if we weren't in such a precarious position he would be my choice as a progressive young manager). I think Dyche would bring defensive stability, an actual system to bring to each game. I also think his attacking credentials are underrated. He's also taken a chance on players - such as Defour - who have brought something to his Burnley side.

Not the ideal, first choice I would have thought in the summer but there is potential there
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Brownie20 on November 04, 2017, 11:26:34 PM
Eddie Howe lads.

Plays a brand of football which lends itself well to a better standard of players.

You won't be able to tell the difference between us and Burnley if Dyche comes here.

The fact he's brought in Wood, Barnes, Walters and Vokes tells you what sort of thing you're going to get if he comes here.

He'll be able to afford better than them. He also signed Defour
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: blueToffee on November 04, 2017, 11:29:27 PM
This feels like a repeat of how we've gone about buying players too of late, which is a bit concerning. Seems like very limited scope.

Really pretty depressing if that ends up being the extent of our search.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Shogun on November 04, 2017, 11:30:48 PM
He'll be able to afford better than them. He also signed Defour

Defour is nothing special imo.

Genuinely don't think Dyche is the right fit for us, he's done a decent job at Burnley and he's had an unreal start to the season but that's all it is, it's a start.

I don't want us playing the same Burnley do because that style will only get you so far.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Macca77 on November 04, 2017, 11:40:10 PM
Im worried lads, and Im not the worrying type
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: boothill on November 04, 2017, 11:40:27 PM
Kinda my point
We were winning so people were happy.... Well as happy as Evertonians can be
It is a miserable existance most times like, just a little happiness will do for now
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 04, 2017, 11:45:10 PM
Me too.

Apparently he's just said he's staying at Burnley
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Brownie20 on November 04, 2017, 11:52:30 PM
Apparently he's just said he's staying at Burnley

That means nothing though does it? We've seen it time and time again. Koeman said he was staying at Southampton. If talks haven't taken place yet he's not likely to say anything else
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: sam of the south on November 05, 2017, 12:10:24 AM
I'm with @Shogun (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=1108), if we are strictly shopping in the 'probably instantly attainable' aisle, then I would go for Howe.

Attractive, pressing football, based on trying to dominate possession AND aiming to create more chances than the opposition.

Maybe get Dyche as defensive coach 😉
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on November 05, 2017, 12:11:22 AM
Dyche. It’s already done.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: boothill on November 05, 2017, 12:13:59 AM
I'm with @Shogun (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=1108), if we are strictly shopping in the 'probably instantly attainable' aisle, then I would go for Howe.

Attractive, pressing football, based on trying to dominate possession AND aiming to create more chances than the opposition.

Maybe get Dyche as defensive coach 😉
Didnt that get tried under martinez ? Dont think we have the players right now
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: sam of the south on November 05, 2017, 12:14:01 AM
Dyche. It’s already done.

You got a good source, Granty?
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: sam of the south on November 05, 2017, 12:14:47 AM
Didnt that get tried under martinez ? Dont think we have the players right now

He didn't seem that fussed with creating chances or pressing at all, though.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: boothill on November 05, 2017, 12:18:34 AM
He didn't seem that fussed with creating chances or pressing at all, though.
Dont thnk we have the personell now sam tbh
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Jimmywhack on November 05, 2017, 12:19:01 AM
Dyche. It's already done.
According to?
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Shogun on November 05, 2017, 12:26:37 AM
According to?

His ma
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Macca77 on November 05, 2017, 12:31:21 AM
Howe is sexy but failed at Burnley didn't he

Dyche, his voice annoys the fuck out of me, done well at Burnley

Its a puzzling one isnt it
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Macca77 on November 05, 2017, 12:32:13 AM
His ma

Not happening then, lying old slag

What!?
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Brownie20 on November 05, 2017, 12:34:57 AM
Howe is sexy but failed at Burnley didn't he

Dyche, his voice annoys the fuck out of me, done well at Burnley

Its a puzzling one isnt it

Also, Howevhas had quite a bit of money (relatively speaking) at Bournemouth and hasn't bought too well
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: burkey17 on November 05, 2017, 12:35:52 AM
'I am not saying I want it or I don't'
Dyche. I think we will know this week. Big Sam or Dyche. No-one else seems to be in the picture?
If it is Dyche I will get behind him. The other one.....I think I will make  my ST redundant
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on November 05, 2017, 12:36:03 AM
You got a good source, Granty?
That Becky Talentire - someone posted a link to a tweet she posted last night. She’ll always right and isn’t a wannabe ITK who seeks attention. Whether Dyche has just held talks and she’s jumped the gun is a different matter.

Imagine if he turned us down?!
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Gash on November 05, 2017, 12:38:18 AM
Only Mancini and Dyche have no votes in the poll.  :snigger:
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Macca77 on November 05, 2017, 12:39:45 AM
Bilic will be available tomorrow
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Mayor Farnum on November 05, 2017, 12:49:12 AM
Jeez Sean Dyche. Just when you think Everton has bled you dry they squeeze another fuckin drop from you.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Shogun on November 05, 2017, 12:51:53 AM
Also, Howevhas had quite a bit of money (relatively speaking) at Bournemouth and hasn't bought too well

Only really Ibe?

Mind you he'd probably buy Wilshere if he come here which has just put me off massively.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Brownie20 on November 05, 2017, 12:56:20 AM
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/875541/Everton-news-Sean-Dyche-manager-Burnley-exit-plan

Not a no is it?
Title: Who should we go for?
Post by: Zoolander on November 05, 2017, 01:02:29 AM
I'd be happy with Howe. It feels maybe a year or two early for him to take the next step up perhaps but he's done a remarkable job at Bournemouth. Some ITK folk I know from back home in Bournemouth always talk of how he's a much tougher character behind the scenes and in training, takes no shit at all and gets 100% out of every player or they don't play. He seems to have a nice tactical methodology too. We'll see I guess.
Dyche - I can’t argue he's doing great at present but long term? For us? Meh.
Allardyce - fuck my life.

Hopefully there's interest elsewhere and not just those three though.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Smingers on November 05, 2017, 01:08:01 AM
Bilic

This might be a bad opinion especially with the fact that they are currently losing 4-1 to them lot. But the fact that he will probably be sacked soon, makes him available.  But I'd take Bilic as manager over allardyce,  dyche or howe any day of the week
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: benny on November 05, 2017, 01:12:45 AM
Bilic will be available tomorrow

           tonight
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Waltzer on November 05, 2017, 01:14:42 AM
Bilic

This might be a bad opinion especially with the fact that they are currently losing 4-1 to them lot. But the fact that he will probably be sacked soon, makes him available.  But I'd take Bilic as manager over allardyce,  dyche or howe any day of the week
I'd rather have Koeman than any of those mentioned
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 05, 2017, 01:15:14 AM
Bilic

This might be a bad opinion especially with the fact that they are currently losing 4-1 to them lot. But the fact that he will probably be sacked soon, makes him available.  But I'd take Bilic as manager over allardyce,  dyche or howe any day of the week

Based on what he's the next Martinez/koeman the flavour of the month who turns out to be shit. Only this time we'd be getting him after the fact

There's a West Ham fan at work. He says he plays them out of position, doesn't give youth a chance and has every excuse in the book
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Smingers on November 05, 2017, 01:27:38 AM
Based on the fact that we won't get a big name like ancellotti (who I voted for) because of our striker situation. And that I rate bilic higher than allardyce, dyche or howe.

There's a west ham fan in work who has always praised him.

We may have missed him being flavour of the month. But who says managing us won't bring him back into the flavour of the month? Just like anything in football, a change of scenery can make the world of difference. Just look at Salah scored 2 in 13 for Chelsea. He's played 11 and scored 7 for them lot (sorry for the example, it's just fresh in my mind after watching this match).
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: TheTone on November 05, 2017, 01:29:20 AM
when will people realise most managers are shit and only last 2 or 3 years max

player power innit
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: penguinofdoom1878 on November 05, 2017, 01:31:08 AM
im pleased to say I dont work with West Ham fans
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: everton1952 on November 05, 2017, 01:38:26 AM
Dyche. It’s already done.
West Ham to announce it on Monday after weekend clearance from Burnley.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: gizzblue on November 05, 2017, 01:42:22 AM
Im at a fucking loss tbh read this thread over and over and no better off in my own mind ,are any of the names mentioned like Dyche ,Sam, Billic,Howe...are any of them better than Unsworth in real terms  ...i mean theyve all won sweet fuck all and we are a poison chalice .
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: everton1952 on November 05, 2017, 01:43:49 AM
Probably all are better than dear Unsie who has f.. all experience at management of very highly paid carpet baggers
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: therealdunc on November 05, 2017, 01:44:13 AM
Bilic has recently stated if he doesn’t get his deal renewed at West Ham, then he wants some time away from the game to re-charge his battery’s.

Bilic has some plus points and some bad points (loves to play aimless long ball to a target man) but he would not be my pick.



Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Bluedylan on November 05, 2017, 01:49:35 AM
It's all a bit faddish. If Bournemouth had made the start Burnley have, Howe would be the favourite, but since Burnley have made such a strong start, Dyche is favoured.

It seems absurd to place the club into a manager's hands based on 10 games, effectively.

Maybe the perilous position is causing Moshiri to air on the side of caution, but we really should be looking to appoint for long-term with a coherent plan for the next few years. Essentially, identify the next Poch before Poch went into managerial beast mode.

Bilic is a terrible shout.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: everton1952 on November 05, 2017, 01:49:44 AM
Nice guy Bilic, sad to see him out of his depth at a medium size club like us. We need a big personality capable of lifting players. If Dyche is out of reach then our choice is limited.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: formerKHL on November 05, 2017, 01:50:05 AM
I’d like Glenn hoddle teaching Unsworth the job
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Simon Paul on November 05, 2017, 01:50:49 AM
talks with Dyche have already started....
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: everton1952 on November 05, 2017, 01:55:23 AM
I would take Dyche if he  does not choose West Ham. Might be too far south for him.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: therealdunc on November 05, 2017, 02:01:59 AM
West Ham deserve him, mid table club appoint mid table at best manager.

Good luck to all concerned
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: toshyboy on November 05, 2017, 02:13:54 AM
talks with Dyche have already started....

Good source Si ??
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: sam of the south on November 05, 2017, 02:24:56 AM
talks with Dyche have already started....

Meh
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: TheTone on November 05, 2017, 02:29:58 AM
Meh

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Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: blargins on November 05, 2017, 02:33:05 AM
Dyche is just favor of the month. Like Walker was. I would like to see Tuchel think we need a big name but a decent manager too. Ultimately I just want this season over.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: sam of the south on November 05, 2017, 02:33:21 AM
Well, I hope we don't get used to 30% of possession, and creating minimal chances (although I'm already used to the minimal chances thing)
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 05, 2017, 02:35:10 AM
Well, I hope we don't get used to 30% of possession, and creating minimal chances (although I'm already used to the minimal chances thing)

I'd just like to get used to winning a few football games. Are Burnley fans used to 30% possession? Is that their average over the 10 games or just against Liverpool?
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: arteta4spain on November 05, 2017, 02:35:36 AM
See Moyes has thrown his hat into the ring. Odds at 4-1 with the express. Second behind Unsworth.
Unsure about him if he came back. We'd know what we were getting hopefully which is what we need. But I think he'd be out of his depth despite his previous with the club.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: TheTone on November 05, 2017, 02:42:11 AM
See Moyes has thrown his hat into the ring. Odds at 4-1 with the express. Second behind Unsworth.
Unsure about him if he came back. We'd know what we were getting hopefully which is what we need. But I think he'd be out of his depth despite his previous with the club.

what a shit ring it is
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Waltzer on November 05, 2017, 02:43:04 AM
I'd just like to get used to winning a few football games. Are Burnley fans used to 30% possession? Is that their average over the 10 games or just against Liverpool?
Think it was about the same vs us and Chelsea, who had a man sent off after 10 minutes
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: TheRam on November 05, 2017, 02:43:48 AM
Dyche has been doing a very good job for a number of years now.

It's ignorant to dismiss him as flavour of the month.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Shogun on November 05, 2017, 02:50:00 AM
Dyche has been doing a very good job for a number of years now.

It's ignorant to dismiss him as flavour of the month.

Done a good job at pragmatically keeping Burnley up on a limited budget.

Not sure how that qualifies him for this job.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: GLewis on November 05, 2017, 02:52:56 AM
Dyche has been doing a very good job for a number of years now.

It's ignorant to dismiss him as flavour of the month.

If they were 13/14/15th would anyone seriously be taking any interest?

Would it be expected that he’d be (seriously) in the frame for one of the top 6?

Are we seeing anything that suggests innovation, or when they play their peers performances that might translate to where we expect to be?

If not, then he’s flavour of the month, relative to where we expect / should be, because they’ve had a good start.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: bluenuck on November 05, 2017, 02:57:20 AM
Honestly, and this may sound really mad, for the long term I think allardyce would be the better manager right now. Sign him to the end of next season and then take the time to pick the right manager to take us forward. We swallow our pride for a season or so to get the manager we really need instead of Signing dyche to a long term deal anywhere from 3-5 seasons.

Or should I be pouring more rum into my drink?
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Simon Paul on November 05, 2017, 03:04:19 AM
Good source Si ??

First team coach
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: GLewis on November 05, 2017, 03:06:16 AM
First team coach

Unsy trying to make people think maybe he’s worth trying for a few more games?

;)
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: penguinofdoom1878 on November 05, 2017, 03:09:32 AM
im not trawling back through all this shit, but has Diego Simeone been done again yet? 3rd in the League but very poor in the champions league, not the most thrilling attacking football played by him but excellent defensively


actually he's an Argentinian Sean Dyche isnt he
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: therealdunc on November 05, 2017, 03:12:00 AM
Let’s not forget Sean Dyche also got Burnley relegated.

Ultimately, Sean Dyche will always be unproven until he gets a job at a club with decent funds and more importantly pays decent wages.

But the tactics and negativity of Burnley does not fill me with confidence.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Paddockoldie on November 05, 2017, 03:12:24 AM
Dyche is just favor of the month. Like Walker was. I would like to see Tuchel think we need a big name but a decent manager too. Ultimately I just want this season over.

I don't know much if anything about Tuchel but what makes you think he can do the job here and more importantly with us? Not being sarky just curious not knowing much about him. Is he not a bigger gamble than Dyche?
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: velimski on November 05, 2017, 03:16:41 AM
Nobody ever seems to mention that Dyche got relegated with Burnley.

I know they are a small unfashionable club with relatively small resources,  but he did get them relegated. That did actually happen.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 05, 2017, 03:52:42 AM
Let’s not forget Sean Dyche also got Burnley relegated.

Ultimately, Sean Dyche will always be unproven until he gets a job at a club with decent funds and more importantly pays decent wages.

But the tactics and negativity of Burnley does not fill me with confidence.

I'm not so sure dyche got them relegated is fair. He took a midtable championship club with a mid table budget turned them into a yoyo club and now seems to have them safely in the division.
At no stage did anyone think them getting relegated would be worse than par. He's done an absolutely fantastic job. By all means argue that might not transfer to the role here but I really don't see how anyone can question what he's achieved at Burnley
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Shogun on November 05, 2017, 03:53:47 AM
On the bright side, looks like Moyes is off to West Ham with Phil Neville as his assistant.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Evertonian in NC on November 05, 2017, 03:53:58 AM
Anyone could get relegated with Burnley, to be fair
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Goaljira on November 05, 2017, 04:07:10 AM
Really struggling to get any enthusiasm for any of the candidates.  Its like having to choose which end of a shitty stick to pick up at gunpoint and then having to stir your tea with it.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 05, 2017, 04:14:41 AM
Really struggling to get any enthusiasm for any of the candidates.  Its like having to choose which end of a shitty stick to pick up at gunpoint and then having to stir your tea with it.

Not really sure who I'd be enthusiastic about regardless. Think picking a manager is always a bit of a lottery unless you're 1 of the lucky few who can attract 1 of the top 5 or 6.

I'm not convinced half the top 6 managers are that great.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: sam of the south on November 05, 2017, 04:20:36 AM
I'd just like to get used to winning a few football games. Are Burnley fans used to 30% possession? Is that their average over the 10 games or just against Liverpool?

Yeah, they had even less than that against 10 and latterly 9 man Chelsea.

They also carve out a really small number of chances, and they've only scored three more goals than us, and they've actually got strikers.

Still, I'll totally get behind him.

Just really want us to be tight as a gnats chuff, press vigorously and sensibly, and create a lot of high quality chances (not holding my breath on that one) and just start looking good and winning lots of football matches.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Gash on November 05, 2017, 04:22:41 AM
Nobody ever seems to mention that Dyche got relegated with Burnley.

I know they are a small unfashionable club with relatively small resources,  but he did get them relegated. That did actually happen.

He's also got them promoted, twice.

I remember watching an interview with him when they were first in the Premier League and he came across really well. He was showing the interviewer around the facilities and new training complex they were building and talking about the vision they had for the future of the club. I'm pretty sure he said they weren't going to break the bank just to stay up like a lot of clubs do and if they went down then they'd build again which is exactly what he's done.

I'm of the opinion that he's a bit of a beige appointment but he does come across well and has been loyal to Burnley, as they have to him. If he comes he's going to be making a pretty emotional decision to leave and that in itself will be a big driving force and motivation for him, not that I wouldn't expect him to be motivated. The jury's out and we can't fuck this up but the fact he's been relegated before will be another big motivation for him, he doesn't want another on his record.

Time will tell but I think straight away he'll be the type that will connect with the players and give them a lift, after that just getting out of the relegation places will be a step in the right direction and then build from there in the summer.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Faceatthefence on November 05, 2017, 04:26:47 AM
Let’s not forget Sean Dyche also got Burnley relegated.

Ultimately, Sean Dyche will always be unproven until he gets a job at a club with decent funds and more importantly pays decent wages.

But the tactics and negativity of Burnley does not fill me with confidence.
We took moyes,a div1 manager on the strength he had won won div2 title.We took a relagated martinez,on the strength he had won an fa cup.We took koeman,sacked by AZ and Valencia on the strength he had won a dutch title in a poor 3 team league.We do have history in the head scratching appointment stakes,but right now considering how dyche is doing we need to send a limo for him and get it done.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: sam of the south on November 05, 2017, 04:32:06 AM
I've got a feeling he might turn us down
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Faceatthefence on November 05, 2017, 04:39:00 AM
I've got a feeling he might turn us down
Cant see it,double his wedge have bundles more to spend and move his profile to a new level.Wont get many chances even though he,s a young hungry manager,maybe the national team a long way down the line could be option but this club would be the pinnacle for him.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: therealdunc on November 05, 2017, 04:42:06 AM
I've got a feeling he might turn us down

Not a chance

You can tell from his interviews over the past week he is desperate for us to make him an offer
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Mayor Farnum on November 05, 2017, 05:09:17 AM
'Our new manager is on MOTD wearing a shirt fashioned from an airmail envelope.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: GLewis on November 05, 2017, 05:12:28 AM
One of the big differences is that he (or anyone else) can be solid and try and nick things at somewhere like Burnley.

But here, even away at the top teams, you find heavy criticism if that approach doesn’t work. Handling that and then increased pressure to win, and win well against pretty much everyone else is very difficult.

Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: blargins on November 05, 2017, 05:19:45 AM
'Our new manager is on MOTD wearing a shirt fashioned from an airmail envelope.

Conte?
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: TheRam on November 05, 2017, 05:24:02 AM
I'd love him to go and get us trippier.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: TheRam on November 05, 2017, 05:28:16 AM
His favourite album is nevermind.

That'll do for me
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: brap2 on November 05, 2017, 06:04:01 AM
I'd love him to go and get us trippier.

I’ve got a real dream of Coleman as RB and Tierney at LB.

Flying Gaelic fullbacks both mad passionate, would be amazing.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Redartin on November 05, 2017, 07:10:38 AM
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/657635/Everton-next-manager-Marco-Silva-Watford-Sam-Allardyce-Ronald-Koeman-David-Unsworth-Toffee

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-5050721/First-timer-David-Unsworth-unlikely-Everton-job.html
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: bluenuck on November 05, 2017, 10:34:55 AM
One of the big differences is that he (or anyone else) can be solid and try and nick things at somewhere like Burnley.

But here, even away at the top teams, you find heavy criticism if that approach doesn’t work. Handling that and then increased pressure to win, and win well against pretty much everyone else is very difficult.

Alright. I'm just gonna say it.

Maybe us fans need to stop living in the past and believing what we used to be is what we are today?

It's a massive, gigantic, pill to swallow for us, but it's time we put this team in perspective. We need to stop getting on our managers so quickly and try to have patience. We are going down the road of villa very quickly here and we as fans also need to help curb this.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: boothill on November 05, 2017, 11:09:34 AM
Hi my name is sam, ive come to destroy you completely
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: GLewis on November 05, 2017, 11:43:17 AM
Alright. I'm just gonna say it.

Maybe us fans need to stop living in the past and believing what we used to be is what we are today?

It's a massive, gigantic, pill to swallow for us, but it's time we put this team in perspective. We need to stop getting on our managers so quickly and try to have patience. We are going down the road of villa very quickly here and we as fans also need to help curb this.

Koeman is the only manager that I can recall people losing patience with quickly to be fair.

I’m thinking longer term with that point anyway. But it’s something that should be remembered for this appointment now.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: bluenuck on November 05, 2017, 12:19:04 PM
Koeman is the only manager that I can recall people losing patience with quickly to be fair.

I’m thinking longer term with that point anyway. But it’s something that should be remembered for this appointment now.

People were on Martinez a quarter into his 2nd season. I'm surprised he lasted as long as he did. Lukaku helped that, and if we had any sort of striker right now koeman might still be in charge.

We are really an un-patient bunch lately.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: GLewis on November 05, 2017, 12:42:08 PM
People were on Martinez a quarter into his 2nd season. I'm surprised he lasted as long as he did. Lukaku helped that, and if we had any sort of striker right now koeman might still be in charge.

We are really an un-patient bunch lately.
Think you’ll always get people moaning about things eg if we win 1-0 most weeks, some will want 2/3-0 etc.

But pressure wasn’t severely on RM until his last season started to unravel, otherwise he’d have gone in the new year of 15.

Certainly wasn’t anymore pressure than under poor patches of form under Moyes.

It’s increased now because we’ve seemingly got a bit of money and people can “expect” a bit more in terms of performance.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: therealdunc on November 05, 2017, 12:54:38 PM
Martinez was his own worst enemy, we would play badly and he would come out telling us how great we were and how he must have watched a different game.

The problem with Koeman is he never established a system, there was no clear team DNA or style. Everything he was criticised for at his previous roles at Valencia, AZ and Feyenoord was obvious at Everton
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: bluenuck on November 05, 2017, 01:02:26 PM
Are we basically saying we should have gone after southamptons back room staff and not koeman?
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 05, 2017, 01:49:02 PM
People were on Martinez a quarter into his 2nd season. I'm surprised he lasted as long as he did. Lukaku helped that, and if we had any sort of striker right now koeman might still be in charge.

We are really an un-patient bunch lately.

But people were right on Martinez and they were right on the complete mess koeman had made and knew it before the season start. Sometimes it's not even about results it that you can see someone is doing a really shitty job
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: BlueMaquis on November 05, 2017, 01:55:08 PM
But people were right on Martinez and they were right on the complete mess koeman had made and knew it before the season start. Sometimes it's not even about results it that you can see someone is doing a really shitty job

Rewriting history a bit now, aren't we? Before the season started everyone was reasonably happy, the discontent only started when the transfer window closed without getting a striker in and we started losing games.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 05, 2017, 02:29:15 PM
Rewriting history a bit now, aren't we? Before the season started everyone was reasonably happy, the discontent only started when the transfer window closed without getting a striker in and we started losing games.

I think anyone with any sense was utterly amazed we hadn't signed a striker, utterly amazed we only had 1 left back, utterly amazed we hadn't bothered with a quality winger, found the Sigurdsson deal ridiculous. Regardless of the time frame though koeman completely fucked the job up. More patience??surely sometimes someone is just shit at their job and more time doesn't really fix that
Would you like us still to be managed by Martinez or koeman?
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: ajax_andy on November 05, 2017, 02:43:55 PM
I'd be surprised and disappointed if we didn't at least approach Marco Silva.

I've seen people on here say he wouldn't leave as he's only been in the job a few months, but there's no loyalty toward their managers at Watford, he'll know he's likely to only be there 1-2 seasons before he gets the bullet anyway.  I think it wouldn't be hard to convince him to come here if he agreed to speak to us.

Out of all the managers linked he seems the best option, he knows the league, he's done well in it so far, the potential rewards of having in charge are higher than any of the others mentioned
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Polledreng on November 05, 2017, 03:07:49 PM
So a total of 8 votes on the papers favourites....  are the board not on the same wavelength as the supporters or are the papers full of shit...  https://thisisfutbol.com/2017/11/blogs/premier-league/everton/allardyce-was-at-everton-training-ground-sutton/
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Brownie20 on November 05, 2017, 03:20:28 PM
So a total of 8 votes on the papers favourites....  are the board not on the same wavelength as the supporters or are the papers full of shit...  https://thisisfutbol.com/2017/11/blogs/premier-league/everton/allardyce-was-at-everton-training-ground-sutton/

Chris Sutton knows fuck all.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Ramjam on November 05, 2017, 03:27:59 PM
Chris Sutton knows fuck all.

Sounds like he knows someone who does though
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Brownie20 on November 05, 2017, 03:34:10 PM
Sounds like he knows someone who does though

Anyone can say stuff like that though can't they? Especially if they are trying to stay relevant. And he's used the old 'a good source has told me.'
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Juanito on November 05, 2017, 03:44:57 PM
Big Sam is favourite now. What has happened to us? We finished 7th last season, the promise to spend millions and we end up in the relegation zone and gonna get Sam Allardyce to get us out.

I think we have too many flair players for an Allardyce or Dyche. I still think Coleman and Bolasie will help us out of this. I would rather we go for managers like Silva, Tuchel or even Brendan Rodgers.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: everton1952 on November 05, 2017, 03:55:26 PM
Too many flair players? Kindly elaborate.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Ramjam on November 05, 2017, 04:17:30 PM
Big Sam is favourite now. What has happened to us? We finished 7th last season, the promise to spend millions and we end up in the relegation zone and gonna get Sam Allardyce to get us out.

I think we have too many flair players for an Allardyce or Dyche. I still think Coleman and Bolasie will help us out of this. I would rather we go for managers like Silva, Tuchel or even Brendan Rodgers.

Absolutely this, the players to come back will be like new signings which will give the team a real boost so let’s get in a manager who will improve with the squad not a seasoned relegation battler
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 05, 2017, 04:18:18 PM
So a total of 8 votes on the papers favourites....  are the board not on the same wavelength as the supporters or are the papers full of shit...  https://thisisfutbol.com/2017/11/blogs/premier-league/everton/allardyce-was-at-everton-training-ground-sutton/

To be fair to dyche he wasn't even on the original poll
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: GLewis on November 05, 2017, 04:45:51 PM
To be fair to dyche he wasn't even on the original poll

Which may say something...

;)
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: ally2 on November 05, 2017, 04:55:14 PM
Yeah yesterday lunchtime on radio 5 live, one of their reporters was talking to mark Chapman during the build up to the lunchtime game and said it was his understanding that Allardyce was in talks with us. Sounded like it was in the final stages. Also I think he was coy on match of the day. I reckon it's him. Got to get behind whoever it is I suppose.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: blue slug on November 05, 2017, 05:12:14 PM
We have fuck all flair players, we create zero chances most games
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Bluedylan on November 05, 2017, 05:25:50 PM
We have fuck all flair players, we create zero chances most games

We do have creative, technical players but the team needs to have balance and they need to have runners around them to unlock the creativity.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Trowel on November 05, 2017, 05:36:04 PM
Which manager said the following:


'I look at effective football. What is effective to win? Howard Wilkinson once told me: "Win, survive and then build".

'He is spot on. People try to build a philosophy but if you do that then make sure you win first. I see my job as playing a style that suits the players I have got.

'That's key. I can't impose any old system on the players because what happens if they can't deliver it?

'If you want to play Barcelona football, get Barcelona players. Don't try it without them.

'I will show you a hundred horror stories of people that said they were going to play Barcelona football. They were out of work within three, six, nine months.

'I look at it simply. Look at the players you have got, don't dream of the ones you haven't. Give them the best chance to operate. It's about them by the way, not me.


Answer:
Spoiler: show
Sean Dyche
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Ross on November 05, 2017, 05:44:19 PM
Utterly demoralising the quality of managers being linked to us.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: brap2 on November 05, 2017, 05:46:36 PM
Utterly demoralising the quality of managers being linked to us.

A real eye-opener
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: sam of the south on November 05, 2017, 05:49:08 PM
Which manager said the following:


'I look at effective football. What is effective to win? Howard Wilkinson once told me: "Win, survive and then build".

'He is spot on. People try to build a philosophy but if you do that then make sure you win first. I see my job as playing a style that suits the players I have got.

'That's key. I can't impose any old system on the players because what happens if they can't deliver it?

'If you want to play Barcelona football, get Barcelona players. Don't try it without them.

'I will show you a hundred horror stories of people that said they were going to play Barcelona football. They were out of work within three, six, nine months.

'I look at it simply. Look at the players you have got, don't dream of the ones you haven't. Give them the best chance to operate. It's about them by the way, not me.


Answer:
Spoiler: show
Sean Dyche


He's bright and logical, no doubt about that.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: sam of the south on November 05, 2017, 05:51:29 PM
Utterly demoralising the quality of managers being linked to us.

It's not surprising, though.

The press don't rate us, and they set the tone for all attitudes, especially in football and politics.

And we have given them vindication to not rate us by fucking up royally since we finally came into money.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Ross on November 05, 2017, 05:58:52 PM
A real eye-opener
It's not surprising, though.

The press don't rate us, and they set the tone for all attitudes, especially in football and politics.

And we have given them vindication to not rate us by fucking up royally since we finally came into money.

I refuse to believe we can’t attract anybody better than Sean Dyche or Sam fuckin Allardyce. I really hope the owner does as well.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: sam of the south on November 05, 2017, 05:59:48 PM
I refuse to believe we can’t attract anybody better than Sean Dyche or Sam fuckin Allardyce. I really hope the owner does as well.

I know, mate, I agree 😔
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: GLewis on November 05, 2017, 06:01:46 PM
Which manager said the following:


'I look at effective football. What is effective to win? Howard Wilkinson once told me: "Win, survive and then build".

'He is spot on. People try to build a philosophy but if you do that then make sure you win first. I see my job as playing a style that suits the players I have got.

'That's key. I can't impose any old system on the players because what happens if they can't deliver it?

'If you want to play Barcelona football, get Barcelona players. Don't try it without them.

'I will show you a hundred horror stories of people that said they were going to play Barcelona football. They were out of work within three, six, nine months.

'I look at it simply. Look at the players you have got, don't dream of the ones you haven't. Give them the best chance to operate. It's about them by the way, not me.


Answer:
Spoiler: show
Sean Dyche


All very sensible.

But he’s been there 5 years so you’d assume that by now he’s got the style of players / team that he wants.

Mourinho is a good example of what he says in that the players he inherits determine the final 10% of his approach.

But he (and all managers) have a core approach to the game which shines through.

Don’t see why Dyche would be different?
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: GLewis on November 05, 2017, 06:04:46 PM
I should say that I don’t think he’d be disastrous, as I think you should always aim to be solid first and foremost.

The obvious logic of if you concede 0 you will get at least 1 point; whereas scoring 3 isn’t a guarantee of anything.

More that we know that the crowd in general is jaded from this approach (given the reactions every time we play defensively away at Chelsea, say) so that it’s hard to see a rosy picture in 12-18 months.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: brap2 on November 05, 2017, 06:05:57 PM
All very sensible.

But he’s been there 5 years so you’d assume that by now he’s got the style of players / team that he wants.

Mourinho is a good example of what he says in that the players he inherits determine the final 10% of his approach.

But he (and all managers) have a core approach to the game which shines through.

Don’t see why Dyche would be different?

The risk with Burnley is too big imo, they exist purely to stay in the league and he’s got a system that works very well for that. If he had more reliable transfer budgets year after year maybe he could start to take some risks but he doesn’t so he hasn’t. Maybe that’s not a great sign that he’s taking the safe path of least resistance, but right now we need that st Everton for a bit, and the risk that dyche doesn’t have another level to reach offensively is less of a risk than we get someone in who can’t achieve safety and we sink.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: GLewis on November 05, 2017, 06:14:52 PM
The risk with Burnley is too big imo, they exist purely to stay in the league and he’s got a system that works very well for that. If he had more reliable transfer budgets year after year maybe he could start to take some risks but he doesn’t so he hasn’t. Maybe that’s not a great sign that he’s taking the safe path of least resistance, but right now we need that st Everton for a bit, and the risk that dyche doesn’t have another level to reach offensively is less of a risk than we get someone in who can’t achieve safety and we sink.

Can you see a totally different approach though?

Can you think of anyone who really flip flops from one club to the next based on the players?

Yes that’s what Burnley need and that’s why he’s been successful at it, because that’s what he is.

Allardyce had some (way more) skilful players at Bolton than Dyche has but his core approach was get it in the box as many times as possible. They’d do some good stuff some times but they weren’t consistently easy on the eye.

And yes, I get our risk if the new manager fails but are we panicked that much, that we can’t escape some of the absolute dross in the PL with what we should be appointing, ie a manager worthy of £4-6m a year salary?
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 05, 2017, 06:21:44 PM
All very sensible.

But he’s been there 5 years so you’d assume that by now he’s got the style of players / team that he wants.

Mourinho is a good example of what he says in that the players he inherits determine the final 10% of his approach.

But he (and all managers) have a core approach to the game which shines through.

Don’t see why Dyche would be different?

Surely his argument would be that he'd struggle to afford players who could play a different way with the same results.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: GLewis on November 05, 2017, 06:30:28 PM
Surely his argument would be that he'd struggle to afford players who could play a different way with the same results.

Yes but see my point re Allardyce at Bolton.

Or even Moyes’ later years here (when I don’t think we’ve matched some of the team goals since) - the overall approach still is the most obvious style.

Can we think of anyone who has completely changed approach in their career (genuinely interested as can’t personally)?
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: brap2 on November 05, 2017, 06:34:31 PM
Can you see a totally different approach though?

Can you think of anyone who really flip flops from one club to the next based on the players?

Yes that’s what Burnley need and that’s why he’s been successful at it, because that’s what he is.

Allardyce had some (way more) skilful players at Bolton than Dyche has but his core approach was get it in the box as many times as possible. They’d do some good stuff some times but they weren’t consistently easy on the eye.

And yes, I get our risk if the new manager fails but are we panicked that much, that we can’t escape some of the absolute dross in the PL with what we should be appointing, ie a manager worthy of £4-6m a year salary?

Yeah I wouldn’t expect an about face turn around, and this is where I’m going expose myself here as an idiot...but I’d like him to add lightning fast counters like simeone or sarri.

I’ve got no evidence that he has that in the locker.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: GLewis on November 05, 2017, 06:38:46 PM
Yeah I wouldn’t expect an about face turn around, and this is where I’m going expose myself here as an idiot...but I’d like him to add lightning fast counters like simeone or sarri.

I’ve got no evidence that he has that in the locker.

That’s what I mean.

There are equivalent style players at that budget / level.

Yet after selling Gray, who was a bit less of a big lump style striker, he’s replaced him with Wood who is (pertaining to be better than) the same style as Vokes / Barnes.

Pochettino came in and immediately had a distinct style that is transferable from lower mid table teams to top ones. 
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 05, 2017, 06:48:15 PM
Are we too caught up on style here. How many seasons of say the last 25 have we really been entertained. How many did we win anything. How many did we even overachieve on our seasons goals. Not many for any of the questions.... I genuinely don't care. Mainly in last 25 years we've been differing shades of shite, won fuck all and mainly we've all been left fucked off and let down

I just want to win some football games. He can strangle the life out of every match if we over achieve year on year

99.9% of said entertainment is down to the result. We ain't going home smiling every week if we keep getting beat 4 3
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Simon Paul on November 05, 2017, 06:54:27 PM
All very sensible.

But he’s been there 5 years so you’d assume that by now he’s got the style of players / team that he wants.

Mourinho is a good example of what he says in that the players he inherits determine the final 10% of his approach.

But he (and all managers) have a core approach to the game which shines through.

Don’t see why Dyche would be different?

he's got the players he can afford, so he has bought players who can deliver a certain style of play the best way

he's bought players he can trust to be disciplined in position, to defend resolutely, and score the odd worldy

that was his budget

with better players at his disposal, and with a bigger budget, he would play a different system
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Seahawk on November 05, 2017, 07:35:15 PM
he's got the players he can afford, so he has bought players who can deliver a certain style of play the best way

he's bought players he can trust to be disciplined in position, to defend resolutely, and score the odd worldy

that was his budget

with better players at his disposal, and with a bigger budget, he would play a different system
I really didn't believe I would even consider this.....but I am definitely warming to the idea of Sean Dyche.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: GLewis on November 05, 2017, 08:33:58 PM
he's got the players he can afford, so he has bought players who can deliver a certain style of play the best way

he's bought players he can trust to be disciplined in position, to defend resolutely, and score the odd worldy

that was his budget

with better players at his disposal, and with a bigger budget, he would play a different system

Just can’t see such a seismic shift that will keep the wolves from the door when we plateau / have a poor run.

I seriously doubt that he’s a free flowing manager trapped by 5 years of circumstance. Or if he is there’s a good chance that he’ll have become conditioned by it (see the impact on Moyes’ positivity after experience / environment took its impact).

I fully agree with the line of thinking of not being bothered how we play as long as we win.

But I’m looking at how the last 8 years have been with lots of people moaning lots about Moyes for things that Dyche espouses; lots of people losing all patience with Koeman for not having attacking enough in the bigger games etc.

Even this season I can see Dyche getting us to 9th and lots of people pointing at Watford / Silva saying that they’d rather play like that.

Psychologically Burnley have been playing the underdog card (not unfairly) all the time he’s been there, even in the championship. That justifies any approach.

We know that we’re not the underdog in 70% (or thereabouts :) ) of our games and that forces as certain approach, especially at home.

Just feels like we’d be hoping against lots of evidence that there’s an easy transition there.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Lxxx on November 05, 2017, 09:32:26 PM
He's still quite young for a manager though. First of all I would imagine you try to make your mark by being solid team which is hard to beat, that way you give yourself the best chance of not getting the boot and being able to pay the bills and embark on a career.

Of course someone could point to Eddie Howe and say he tried to do it the other way and rose through the leagues but once he's reached a certain level his lack of a sound platform to build on means even with more money the flaws in his approach are being exposed at the highest level. He strikes me as being very Martinez-esque in his philosophy.

There are very few managers out there that are like Poch sadly. I think we have to hope someone like Dyche grows into the position..... and his personal sense of style improves accordingly.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 05, 2017, 10:11:11 PM
Voted for unsworth but I'm really glad it won't be now. His team selections are shite. Excluding the likes of sandro and vlasic from even the bench is utterly baffling. Really hope this is his last game in charge now. Think he's ended up totally confused
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: blargins on November 05, 2017, 10:17:23 PM
Still not a single vote for Dyche I see.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 05, 2017, 10:21:20 PM
Still not a single vote for Dyche I see.

Wasn't even on the list when most of us voted
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Seahawk on November 05, 2017, 10:22:24 PM
Still not a single vote for Dyche I see.
Fixed :-)
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: gizzblue on November 05, 2017, 10:26:31 PM
I was another voting for Unswoth ,but time and again playing Koemams eleven is starting to show his holes and straw clutching .
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Martip on November 05, 2017, 11:19:36 PM
We need someone this week it's as desperate as it could be atm.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Topper on November 06, 2017, 12:49:38 AM
Thankfully that much needed win will give the players a morale boost that the new manager will be able to work on (hopefully)  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: toffee_scot on November 06, 2017, 02:03:12 AM
I'm happy we gave Unsworth a chance and there has been a marginal improvement compared to Koeman, but I don't think he should be the permanent manager. However I wouldn't mind him staying on as a caretaker for a few more games if it means Kenwright and Moshiri really take time to find the best manager to get us completely out of this rut.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Gash on November 06, 2017, 02:23:02 AM
There's people out there that still think Tim Cahill could a job for us as well.

Moyes is done, I'll be surprised if he ever manages in the Premier League again. Honestly, you'd think he was the only manager out there at the moment.

Well, apart from getting the West Ham job if rumours tonight of Bilic's sacking are true.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Waltzer on November 06, 2017, 02:33:37 AM
Well, apart from getting the West Ham job if rumours tonight of Bilic's sacking are true.
I'd love nothing more than for him to take them down, nothing against Moyes per se, but I hate west ham
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: hill135 on November 06, 2017, 02:33:49 AM
Cos I'm a fickle neutral when it comes to non-Everton stuff, that's put me right off Big Marco. They should have seen the game out comfortably from 2-0 up.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Brownie20 on November 06, 2017, 03:30:56 AM
Cos I'm a fickle neutral when it comes to non-Everton stuff, that's put me right off Big Marco. They should have seen the game out comfortably from 2-0 up.

People talk about 'flavour of the month' managers, surely he is the definition of this?
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Django on November 06, 2017, 03:41:57 AM
At FF they’re all sure Dyche is done
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Waltzer on November 06, 2017, 03:53:14 AM
At FF they're all sure Dyche is done
Hope people at FF don't know their ass from their elbow.  I
f it is him then so be it, I'll get behind him even though I think its not right for us, or the direction we should be going
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Mayor Farnum on November 06, 2017, 04:15:12 AM
So we're taking references from Paul Merson and Charlie Nicholas now.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Rhys on November 06, 2017, 04:34:45 AM
People talk about 'flavour of the month' managers, surely he is the definition of this?

He might be very good, but I think it would be a big gamble to appoint someone with 5 months at Hull and 3 months at Watford. If you were serious about him you'd want to give Rhino the job until the end of the season and see how Silva copes across a whole season at one club here.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: everton1952 on November 06, 2017, 06:15:38 AM
A persistent worry is how would Unsworth cope/deal with transfer policy in January? I know an experienced Koeman or someone or both bollocksed up the last transfer window, but I would not give the task to Unsworth.  Hopefully a new man will be named  in the next week or so. Unsie can remember this Watford game with pride and revert to his normal job. Emotions and sentiment must be put aside when it comes to making a vitally important appointment. 
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: brap2 on November 06, 2017, 06:18:16 AM
A persistent worry is how would Unsworth cope/deal with transfer policy in January? I know an experienced Koeman or someone or both bollocksed up the last transfer window, but I would not give the task to Unsworth.  Hopefully a new man will be named  in the next week or so. Unsie can remember this Watford game with pride and revert to his normal job. Emotions and sentiment must be put aside when it comes to making a vitally important appointment. 

If I was him I’d make a public statement jan 1st saying - I look forward to what Mr. Walsh has got for me.

Might not have worked for Koeman like but just be absolutely clear - Walshys on the case, I just coach em.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on November 06, 2017, 06:44:49 AM
For what it’s worth; Jim White said we’ve confined Unsworth is on the shortlist. Not for me. We looked pretty shambolic at times today. Far too open. Enjoyed the win but can’t see Rhino getting the job.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: pjk on November 06, 2017, 06:48:14 AM
Yeah. Here's the tweet. :)



https://twitter.com/JimWhite/status/927273843454038017
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Ramjam on November 06, 2017, 07:04:57 AM
Surely Touchel would be the go to Man now if he was interested, out of the bottom 3 with confidence high, an international break to prepare for the next round of fixtures which could see us win 4 out of the next 5 against the teams were playing. The script couldn’t be much better at the moment for a positive forward thinking club to appoint a forward thinking manager rather than the shite that’s been mentioned in the same breath as the job on offer.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: blueToffee on November 06, 2017, 07:38:37 AM
Yeah. Here's the tweet. :)



https://twitter.com/JimWhite/status/927273843454038017

2WAT

*tee hee*
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Bluedylan on November 06, 2017, 12:03:00 PM
If I was him I’d make a public statement jan 1st saying - I look forward to what Mr. Walsh has got for me.

Might not have worked for Koeman like but just be absolutely clear - Walshys on the case, I just coach em.

That would be a lie though, given that Koeman clearly drove and signed off a number of the signings this summer.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: bluenuck on November 06, 2017, 12:29:32 PM
People talk about 'flavour of the month' managers, surely he is the definition of this?

I've been saying this for 2 weeks. Not one "like". lol.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Bluedylan on November 06, 2017, 12:40:49 PM
I've been saying this for 2 weeks. Not one "like". lol.

He has other achievements in football, prior to his time at Watford and Hull.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: bluenuck on November 06, 2017, 12:55:18 PM
He has other achievements in football, prior to his time at Watford and Hull.

Decent job. But he's been apart of dropping hull, and had a good October with Watford. I've been saying this for 2 weeks. We beat him today and everyone starts agreeing all of a sudden............. More Periods??........

We're a fickle bunch.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Brownie20 on November 06, 2017, 01:07:29 PM
Decent job. But he's been apart of dropping hull, and had a good October with Watford. I've been saying this for 2 weeks. We beat him today and everyone starts agreeing all of a sudden............. More Periods??........

We're a fickle bunch.

In my defence I haven't said much about him 😉
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: brap2 on November 06, 2017, 02:01:15 PM
That would be a lie though, given that Koeman clearly drove and signed off a number of the signings this summer.

Think you’re conflating two points maybe.

Koeman was a real manager tho so stands to reason he’d wrestle for control, if I’m unsworth tho I’d just leave it to my DoF.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on November 06, 2017, 02:16:05 PM
It’d be Silva’s 3rd job in under 12 months. Not for me.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Macca77 on November 06, 2017, 02:22:27 PM
https://twitter.com/JimWhite/status/927448296288866305
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Waltzer on November 06, 2017, 02:22:53 PM
The result was huge yesterday but I hope Moshiri doesnt get caught up in the moment and appoint Unsworth, we need someone with much more experience. Unsworth has done some good things, especially in changing games with subs etc, the issue I have is that they were all needed cause he set the team up initially all wrong. Its almost like hes trying to do something knowing that it wont work and as soon as he realises it isnt working he changes it completely and then we kick on, strange. I dont know if hes under pressure to play certain players but the whole makeup seems strange at present
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: AllyBlue14 on November 06, 2017, 02:47:22 PM
The result was huge yesterday but I hope Moshiri doesnt get caught up in the moment and appoint Unsworth, we need someone with much more experience. Unsworth has done some good things, especially in changing games with subs etc, the issue I have is that they were all needed cause he set the team up initially all wrong. Its almost like hes trying to do something knowing that it wont work and as soon as he realises it isnt working he changes it completely and then we kick on, strange. I dont know if hes under pressure to play certain players but the whole makeup seems strange at present

I don't think losing senior players like Mirallas and Schneiderlin helps. He was also probably wary of starting too many kids in such a big game - Pickford, Kenny, Beni, Davies, Lookman, DCL, Niasse (not young, but not a regular), so has to try and shoehorn more experienced players like Rooney and Sigurdsson.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Hawkandro on November 06, 2017, 03:55:45 PM
https://twitter.com/DominicKing_DM/status/927462549058195457

https://twitter.com/DominicKing_DM/status/927463969022980096
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: GLewis on November 06, 2017, 03:59:14 PM
Um...
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: hill135 on November 06, 2017, 03:59:20 PM
Proper uninspiring again but would prefer Big Sam on a short-term deal than Dyche on a long-term one. Shakespeare also seems alright and has worked successfully with Walsh before.

Did lob some dough on Dyche after yesterday's ITK talk though
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: GLewis on November 06, 2017, 03:59:48 PM
Literally heavyweight management team.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Audrey Horne on November 06, 2017, 04:06:05 PM
ugghhhhhhhh ffs
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Cozzie on November 06, 2017, 04:08:31 PM
Surely not.

Only saving grace here is that Allardyce would only want the job until the end of the season leaving us in, hopefully, a better position for a better candidate to take over.

Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Macca77 on November 06, 2017, 04:09:35 PM
https://twitter.com/DominicKing_DM/status/927462549058195457

https://twitter.com/DominicKing_DM/status/927463969022980096

Felt sick to my stomach as soon as I saw that
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: dazfrancis on November 06, 2017, 04:10:39 PM
I feel quite confident after yesterday's win that we can avoid the drop and if the right candidate is not available now I would like us to wait for them to become available rather than appointing Fat Sam and giving him potentially £100's of millions of pounds to spend on players.

I'm also pleased to see Unsworth kick Schneiderlin and Mirallas out of training for lack of effort. We don't know the ins and outs of that story but given the position were in we need all the team working hard for each other. If they are not interested or are being disruptive they can do one.

At the very least I feel Unsworth has the club's best interest at heart and if he feels like some players don't feel the responsibility he will make the necessary decisions in the interest Everton
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on November 06, 2017, 04:14:10 PM
Seeing as Niasse has turned out to be a superstar, Kenny, Davies and Benni have all come through the hard work put in to the academy a few years back....I wonder if Martinez would consider coming back  ;)
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: ally2 on November 06, 2017, 04:19:20 PM
I've come around to the idea of Allardyce somehow. As hill said it'll probably be a short term appointment. He will have a solid team behind him that will get our squad in good shape - tactically, physically and in squad composition. I think it's very easy to want to go for a glamorous name but we were very lucky to win yesterday and we are still relegation candidates. If my head was on the block as the owner of Everton, I think most people would play it safe if they were honest with themselves. I am concerned though that it drags us down a little - the incident with England is not something I want near us, and even at the time his only regret seemed to be that he got caught rather than accepting that it was anything wrong.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Bally on November 06, 2017, 04:25:30 PM
Seeing as Niasse has turned out to be a superstar, Kenny, Davies and Benni have all come through the hard work put in to the academy a few years back....I wonder if Martinez would consider coming back  ;)
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-KFiIyLeKvBU/UskFO4HdloI/AAAAAAAAGl8/p-OObDEh89g/s1600/thefly_532223.gif
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Jamokachi on November 06, 2017, 04:25:58 PM
well fuck... when King writes it you know to sit up and listen
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: burkey17 on November 06, 2017, 04:56:10 PM




 No don't want him at all or that 'snake' Shakespeare. Find It really deflating
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: kramer0 on November 06, 2017, 06:09:01 PM
Walshy’s Mates FC.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Lxxx on November 06, 2017, 06:12:07 PM
Walshy’s Mates FC.

Depressingly regressive.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Brownie20 on November 06, 2017, 06:17:35 PM
FFS
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: stirlingblue on November 06, 2017, 06:27:25 PM
Honestly, if we can't find a top quality manager mid-season then it makes sense to find somebody to steady the ship until the summer rather than giving Dyche the job knowing that his appointment doesn't play into the long term strategy of the club.

That being said, I'm not sure how much better Allardyce will be than Unsworth....
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Evertonian in NC on November 06, 2017, 06:28:32 PM
I feel quite confident after yesterday's win that we can avoid the drop and if the right candidate is not available now I would like us to wait for them to become available rather than appointing Fat Sam and giving him potentially £100's of millions of pounds to spend on players.

I'm also pleased to see Unsworth kick Schneiderlin and Mirallas out of training for lack of effort. We don't know the ins and outs of that story but given the position were in we need all the team working hard for each other. If they are not interested or are being disruptive they can do one.

At the very least I feel Unsworth has the club's best interest at heart and if he feels like some players don't feel the responsibility he will make the necessary decisions in the interest Everton

Don't forget choking the roots of growth we've seen in any of our young players.  It's unfathomable we would even consider this.  Just gross.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: pjk on November 06, 2017, 06:33:26 PM
If it has to be Fat Sam and I was in a position to appoint a new manager, I'd make him wait till Christmas and give Unsworth up until then to try and sort it out. Unsworth has been thrown into the deep end and he hasn't had enough time to prove if he's up to it or not. If it doesn't work out, maybe, it would then be appropriate to ask him to make way for someone else before the spending on players begins in January. Roughly 50% of what has been served up under Unsworth has been the same dross as was churned out under Koeman. Roughly 50% has been an improvement on the Koeman Dross. I'm not saying he's good enough to take over. I do think he deserves longer after the way we fought back last night. Even if there was quite a bit of luck involved. There could always be a game to game basis agreement, set up for Unsworth between now and Christmas. It's obvious he would agree to something along those lines. Who knows, we could even avoid having Sam Allardyce as our permanent manager.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Zoolander on November 06, 2017, 06:56:01 PM
Not sure why so many people assume Allardyce will only be temporary until the end of the year and then be replaced. He’ll want a longer deal than that, 2 years minimum I’d guess. If Moshiri decides he’s the manager he wants then Allardyce will no doubt get his wish.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Ross on November 06, 2017, 07:00:35 PM
Not sure why so many people assume Allardyce will only be temporary until the end of the year and then be replaced. He’ll want a longer deal than that, 2 years minimum I’d guess. If Moshiri decides he’s the manager he wants then Allardyce will no doubt get his wish.

Jim White just said on talksport that Moshiri told him the man who gets the job will take the club forward for the next 5 years.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Thornton_19 on November 06, 2017, 07:02:38 PM
Jim White just said on talksport that Moshiri told him the man who gets the job will take the club forward for the next 5 years.
Won't be Alladyce then.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Ross on November 06, 2017, 07:05:13 PM
Won't be Alladyce then.

Hopefully not. But he does seem the favourite and all the media stuff today about him meeting Moshiri and naming his back room staff is very concerning.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: hill135 on November 06, 2017, 07:15:19 PM
It'll be Dyche then.

Dyche for five years is a depressing thought. 7th forever.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Gash on November 06, 2017, 07:17:34 PM
Literally heavyweight management team.

Joey Barton's going to have a lot to say on this one.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: velimski on November 06, 2017, 07:24:20 PM
It would be nice to at least be turned down by a top manager as opposed to not even being linked with one.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Bluedylan on November 06, 2017, 07:25:32 PM
Anyone but Allardyce.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Heisenberg on November 06, 2017, 07:34:08 PM
It'll be Dyche then.

Dyche for five years is a depressing thought. 7th forever.

This is the problem for me. Both these managers won't be able to push us on from 7th it's depressing.

After Sam 'steadies the ship' with anyone it's a whole new rebuilding process to sort out the dross football. Nobody has ever actually pushed on after the ship steadying
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Macca77 on November 06, 2017, 07:39:00 PM
Anyone but Allardyce.

This x infinity
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: brap2 on November 06, 2017, 07:44:06 PM
Jim White just said on talksport that Moshiri told him the man who gets the job will take the club forward for the next 5 years.

I will eat my hat if that is the case, shoes as well if that man is allardyce on a 5 year deal.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: kramer0 on November 06, 2017, 07:48:25 PM
- Will "take the club forward for the next five years"
- Candidates are Allardyce, Dyche, and Unsworth

 :snigger:

This is hardly the only evidence but it seems safe to say Moshiri has zero clue about football.

Seriously, though. Koeman, Allardyce, Dyche. Long balls aren't taking us forward. What model is he trying to follow?
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Bluedylan on November 06, 2017, 07:53:28 PM
- Will "take the club forward for the next five years"
- Candidates are Allardyce, Dyche, and Unsworth

 :snigger:

This is hardly the only evidence but it seems safe to say Moshiri has zero clue about football.

Seriously, though. Koeman, Allardyce, Dyche. Long balls aren't taking us forward. What model is he trying to follow?

It's fine for Moshiri to know very little about football, as long as there are others around and beneath him in the structure that do.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: everton1952 on November 06, 2017, 07:53:35 PM
It would be nice to at least be turned down by a top manager as opposed to not even being linked with one.
You can shove all "links" where the sun can't shine. Come to think of it, isn't that where links come from anyway?
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: kramer0 on November 06, 2017, 08:42:40 PM
It's fine for Moshiri to know very little about football, as long as there are others around and beneath him in the structure that do.

I totally agree with that. Not convinced those others exist, though.

This is the biggest reason why I'd like to see us re-consider Walsh's role. A good director of football with the proper amount of influence would be way more qualified to make all of the decisions Moshiri and Kenwright are currently getting wrong.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Hawkandro on November 06, 2017, 08:48:55 PM
It's fine for Moshiri to know very little about football, as long as there are others around and beneath him in the structure that do.

Oh shit.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Lxxx on November 06, 2017, 08:51:45 PM
How do you demote your Director of Football to Head of Scouting without pissing him off though. Which is what we probably need to do to get someone in with the requisite knowledge of football we need in that position.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Waltzer on November 06, 2017, 09:23:33 PM
I see West Ham have pretty much appointed Moyes now with it due to be finalised tomorrow. Am I the only one that finds it a little disconcerting that we still seem to be no closer to making an appointment? Why have others acted decisively yet its been a fair few weeks now and lots of speculating but little substance for us, surely the board would have sounded out individuals to see about availability and interest before deciding to pull the trigger on Koeman?
Dont get me wrong im not saying I want to be like West Ham but on this occasion it looked like they had a clear plan and have actioned it quickly to give them the best opportunity, where as we appear to be floundering somewhat?
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on November 06, 2017, 09:24:33 PM
Defo not Moyes then as he's soon to be announced as West Ham boss. Phew.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Jimmywhack on November 06, 2017, 09:26:19 PM
I see West Ham have pretty much appointed Moyes now with it due to be finalised tomorrow. Am I the only one that finds it a little disconcerting that we still seem to be no closer to making an appointment? Why have others acted decisively yet its been a fair few weeks now and lots of speculating but little substance for us, surely the board would have sounded out individuals to see about availability and interest before deciding to pull the trigger on Koeman?
Dont get me wrong im not saying I want to be like West Ham but on this occasion it looked like they had a clear plan and have actioned it quickly to give them the best opportunity, where as we appear to be floundering somewhat?
Id rather take our time than rush into a shite appointment, sadly it looks like we are taking our time on deciding on a shit appointment
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Waltzer on November 06, 2017, 09:29:16 PM
Id rather take our time than rush into a shite appointment, sadly it looks like we are taking our time on deciding on a shit appointment
Yep, its a difficult one as you dont want all of your clubs plans laid out in the paper but on this occasion I wouldn't mind a statement like 'we're taking out time to appoint, but can confirm that Dyche or Big Sam arent in the running', just to ease my fears.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Rodenplav64 on November 06, 2017, 09:44:37 PM
If it has to be Fat Sam and I was in a position to appoint a new manager, I'd make him wait till Christmas and give Unsworth up until then to try and sort it out. Unsworth has been thrown into the deep end and he hasn't had enough time to prove if he's up to it or not. If it doesn't work out, maybe, it would then be appropriate to ask him to make way for someone else before the spending on players begins in January. Roughly 50% of what has been served up under Unsworth has been the same dross as was churned out under Koeman. Roughly 50% has been an improvement on the Koeman Dross. I'm not saying he's good enough to take over. I do think he deserves longer after the way we fought back last night. Even if there was quite a bit of luck involved. There could always be a game to game basis agreement, set up for Unsworth between now and Christmas. It's obvious he would agree to something along those lines. Who knows, we could even avoid having Sam Allardyce as our permanent manager.

Agreed . Having sorted out and dropped those who are not arsed or not good enough I think he deserves at least a few more games . We could be comfortably mid table in another 5 games and who knows where we might eventually finish . We would then be a more attractive proposition for a bigger Manager .
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on November 06, 2017, 10:48:04 PM
Yep, its a difficult one as you dont want all of your clubs plans laid out in the paper but on this occasion I wouldn't mind a statement like 'we're taking out time to appoint, but can confirm that Dyche or Big Sam arent in the running', just to ease my fears.
...unless Fat Sam and Dyche are the only ones interested and available
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: sirblue57 on November 06, 2017, 10:58:57 PM
...unless Fat Sam and Dyche are the only ones interested and available

NOOOOOOOOOO!
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: therealdunc on November 06, 2017, 11:32:56 PM
Sam Allerdyce will have Everton competing for a Champions League place next season if he gets the job.

He’s an excellent choice and I am confident he will do well
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: sirblue57 on November 07, 2017, 12:05:47 AM
Sam Allerdyce will have Everton competing for a Champions League place next season if he gets the job.

He’s an excellent choice and I am confident he will do well

Ha ha fuck off will ya...unless you spelt championship wrong...holy fuck this is getting even more depressing.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: sirblue57 on November 07, 2017, 12:06:46 AM
Sam Allerdyce will have Everton competing for a Champions League place next season if he gets the job.

He’s an excellent choice and I am confident he will do well

Ha ha fuck off will ya...unless you spelt championship wrong...holy fuck this is getting even more depressing.
Sam Allerdyce will have Everton competing for a Champions League place next season if he gets the job.

He’s an excellent choice and I am confident he will do well
Are you a bookie ?
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Redartin on November 07, 2017, 12:39:29 AM
.Are you a bookie ?

Paddy P has Fat Sam 1/2 &
Dyche 2/1
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: TheTone on November 07, 2017, 01:16:56 AM
I still think we should go all out for big Marco
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: TheTone on November 07, 2017, 01:29:04 AM
good praise for Big Marco in the middle of that, boss from Deeney there

Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Mayor Farnum on November 07, 2017, 01:40:05 AM
When did Evertonians become football purists? Big Sam will be good for us if we get behind him.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: benny on November 07, 2017, 02:19:03 AM
When did Evertonians become football purists? Big Sam will be good for us if we get behind him.

               listening to all these shouts for BIG SAM makes me feeling sick.Are we this much in the gutter,i don`t think we could get any lower
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: cantoffee on November 07, 2017, 02:20:04 AM
good praise for Big Marco in the middle of that, boss from Deeney there

Deeney comes across really well there. Definitely seems like the kind of character you want in the team.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Macca77 on November 07, 2017, 02:22:24 AM
Sam Allerdyce will have Everton competing for a Champions League place next season if he gets the job.

He’s an excellent choice and I am confident he will do well

Yet another kopite posting on an Everton forum, obsessed
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on November 07, 2017, 02:29:01 AM
When did Evertonians become football purists? Big Sam will be good for us if we get behind him.
I said this before; none of us remember the school of science. Goodison lifts its lid when we play high tempo, direct and physical footy.

Obviously I’d rather we played silky football but hardly any teams do and even fewer are successful with it.

Barca have skewed the average football fans expectations.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Cereal Killer on November 07, 2017, 02:32:32 AM
I said this before; none of us remember the school of science. Goodison lifts its lid when we play high tempo, direct and physical footy.

Obviously I’d rather we played silky football but hardly any teams do and even fewer are successful with it.

Barca have skewed the average football fans expectations.

And Chelsea, City, Arsenal, Spurs, even the shite.....
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 07, 2017, 02:32:45 AM
Some real drama queens on here. You'd think sky had fallen in the way some of you are talking. He'll do a very good job here if he's appointed like he's done almost everywhere else he's been.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: irishtoffee on November 07, 2017, 02:38:11 AM
I'd take Moyes over Sam
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Mayor Farnum on November 07, 2017, 02:41:56 AM
And Chelsea, City, Arsenal, Spurs, even the shite.....

Budgets may just be a factor there.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: ally2 on November 07, 2017, 02:50:09 AM
This is basically a venting area and nothing else. I still think most fans expect us to announce some European potential megastar that hardly anyone has heard of and he will take the premier league by storm catapulting us into the champions league places paying dream football. Seriously - it's very (boringly) clear what people don't want. What DO people want though?
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: van der Meyde on November 07, 2017, 03:24:21 AM
What DO people want though?
I'll preface this with the following: I don't think and have never thought Everton are in danger of relegation this year.

If we're looking long term, I would prioritise having a manager who puts a priority on developing young players. That's mainly because I think the previous 3 transfer windows have shown that we can't compete for established players of the requisite quality. If we're going to compete and close the gap, I think we're going to have to develop the players on our own rather than buy them in.

Otherwise, you've got all the stuff that people generally want. The ability to coach an attack that creates good chances and restricts the number of chances conceded. Tactically flexibility is a plus, but not totally necessary. We might also have better success in the cups with somebody who cares more about attack than defence, but whatever. Not a big deal, I don't really care too much about style of play.

In the short term? I guess all I really want until the end of the season is a manager who isn't going to go out and buy a bunch of 28 year olds to 'get us out of this mess'.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: TheRam on November 07, 2017, 03:27:28 AM
Some real drama queens on here. You'd think sky had fallen in the way some of you are talking. He'll do a very good job here if he's appointed like he's done almost everywhere else he's been.

No he won't.

Massive difference between managing teams like Palace and Sunderland to managing a club like Everton.

He'll be massively out of his depth and the fans won't tolerate how he approaches the game.

Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: ally2 on November 07, 2017, 03:42:49 AM
I'll preface this with the following: I don't think and have never thought Everton are in danger of relegation this year.

If we're looking long term, I would prioritise having a manager who puts a priority on developing young players. That's mainly because I think the previous 3 transfer windows have shown that we can't compete for established players of the requisite quality. If we're going to compete and close the gap, I think we're going to have to develop the players on our own rather than buy them in.

Otherwise, you've got all the stuff that people generally want. The ability to coach an attack that creates good chances and restricts the number of chances conceded. Tactically flexibility is a plus, but not totally necessary. We might also have better success in the cups with somebody who cares more about attack than defence, but whatever. Not a big deal, I don't really care too much about style of play.

In the short term? I guess all I really want until the end of the season is a manager who isn't going to go out and buy a bunch of 28 year olds to 'get us out of this mess'.

Yeah. Who though?
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Bob Sacamano on November 07, 2017, 03:46:17 AM
No he won't.

Massive difference between managing teams like Palace and Sunderland to managing a club like Everton.

He'll be massively out of his depth and the fans won't tolerate how he approaches the game.



This. The bloke couldn’t even win the Newcastle crowd over. The same set of supporters who have chanted Pardew’s name ffs.

Allardyce is on a hiding to nothing and we all know it.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: brap2 on November 07, 2017, 03:51:53 AM
Worse case scenario is Allardyce and Reid come in and do even fucking worse, lose the crowd and we’re soon looking for our third manager in the season, mired in a dog fight not knowing where to look.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 07, 2017, 03:58:19 AM
No he won't.

Massive difference between managing teams like Palace and Sunderland to managing a club like Everton.

He'll be massively out of his depth and the fans won't tolerate how he approaches the game.



The fans won't tolorate it. The same 1s that tolorated the kings dock mess? The same ones that voted for a worldclass free stadium and then almost got moved into a 60m shed? Same ones who've tolorated 30 years of being shite, of pretend bids? We've put up with a whole lot of shite without much complaint. Sure we can cope with some pragmatic football especially if we get a result or 2 out of it.

When did we get to be so special?? We are where we are because we tolorated a whole lot worse. Odd thing to make a stand on. Christ sake if he's our manager then let's give him a chance. He can't be as bad as the last 2 or as cowardly as the 1 before that.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 07, 2017, 03:59:15 AM
This. The bloke couldn’t even win the Newcastle crowd over. The same set of supporters who have chanted Pardew’s name ffs.

Allardyce is on a hiding to nothing and we all know it.

Them fans that wanted shearer instead? Fantastic judges of a manager
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: van der Meyde on November 07, 2017, 04:00:27 AM
Yeah. Who though?
Who? Honestly I've no idea. I watch Everton matches and that's about it where football is concerned. I couldn't tell you who would be suitable.

My personal preference would have been to try to get away with Unsworth until the end of the season, though I'm less convinced by that now. Of the managers we've been heavily linked with, the only one I really know is Allardyce. He'd be fine until the end of the season, but if we were offering him more than that I'd prefer us to go with someone else.

Having knowledge of suitable candidates is a full time job in itself. I can only comment on the qualities that I think are important, can't I.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Bob Sacamano on November 07, 2017, 04:03:44 AM
Them fans that wanted shearer instead? Fantastic judges of a manager

Kinda proves my point, how easily pleased can fans get?

The bloke won’t be given 90 minutes before the grumbles start. We’ve been watching his shitty teams play shitty football for like a decade. He doesn’t want even come with a clean slate. His slate has shitty teams, shittty football and a bit of corruption on the side.

Whilst writing that I went from thinking it’s a bad idea to thinking it’s a disgrace that the decision makers would even give this crook the time of day.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Macca77 on November 07, 2017, 04:23:21 AM
Keep saying this and ill say it again, it amazes me why any Evertonian would want him here, some have short memories, he had chances at bigger teams and failed every single time, Newcastle, West Ham are two examples, he was hated
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on November 07, 2017, 04:26:21 AM
Could be worse I suppose. Could be Roy Hodgson.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Brownie20 on November 07, 2017, 04:28:06 AM
Text off my mate who is a West Ham fan - "I've been waiting for a text off you to take the piss about Moyes. But then I saw that Big Sam is favourite for your lot. You're coming down with us 😂"
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 07, 2017, 04:33:21 AM
Keep saying this and ill say it again, it amazes me why any Evertonian would want him here, some have short memories, he had chances at bigger teams and failed every single time, Newcastle, West Ham are two examples, he was hated

People just want a manager who they know little about and who's teams they've seen play once or twice if they are lucky. Failing that anyone who likes Everton will do.

He wouldn't be my first choice but shouts of he'll get us relegated are just plain nonsense. His whole thing is he saves teams from relegation.

I voted either unsworth or silva originally but in truth 1 was a romantic choice and the other I've probably seen his teams play 2 or 3 times and he's lost 2 or 3 times. The guy who used to manage Dortmund.... I've probably not seen 90 minutes of. How many of us have.

There's nothing thrilling or too worrying about most on the list. They are all combinations of unknown risks and a bit boring.

I can understand people not wanting him. Worrying about his style of play or if he can manage at a higher level. I'm not having people suggesting he's not had a very good career though. He's very good at what he does
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: BlueBeagle on November 07, 2017, 04:34:07 AM
Text off my mate who is a West Ham fan - "I've been waiting for a text off you to take the piss about Moyes. But then I saw that Big Sam is favourite for your lot. You're coming down with us 😂"

Sam would guarantee we won't tbf to him
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Brownie20 on November 07, 2017, 04:38:23 AM
Sam would guarantee we won't tbf to him

You can't guarantee anything in this world

Except death



And taxes



And an Everton defeat at Anfield
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 07, 2017, 04:41:38 AM
You can't guarantee anything in this world

Except death



And taxes



And an Everton defeat at Anfield

Of course not but shouts of he'll take us down are utterly daft when in reality he'd be the safe option against it
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Bigjmill on November 07, 2017, 04:43:14 AM
I reckon we go for Pirlo as the next manager. The guy is cool as fuck and every world class player would jump on the band wagon
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Brownie20 on November 07, 2017, 04:44:47 AM
Of course not but shouts of he'll take us down are utterly daft when in reality he'd be the safe option against it

It's this complacency that worries me. In the past he has done it, he may do it this time if appointed. But there's always a first time.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: everton1952 on November 07, 2017, 04:51:42 AM
I reckon we go for Pirlo as the next manager. The guy is cool as fuck and every world class player would jump on the band wagon
Is he the one in the Russian second division?  Or was that Pirlovsky? Is he any good and can he get Everton into the top 4 next season,  after he has signed all those world class players of course. Sam can't do that, so I am backing Purlivsky on your say so.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 07, 2017, 04:56:12 AM
It's this complacency that worries me. In the past he has done it, he may do it this time if appointed. But there's always a first time.

I actually just think that appointing managers is pretty much a lottery anyway. There's no right answer on that list and there's very few definitely wrong 1s. It's not worth a lot of drama either way.
Could make a reasonable argument for and against almost everyone on that list.

My biggest worry with allardyce would be what he said after his 1 England game. That it wasn't for him to tell rooney where to play. In terms of style I couldn't care less. Just want to win some games and maybe even have a go against the top teams
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: ally2 on November 07, 2017, 05:43:22 AM
Having knowledge of suitable candidates is a full time job in itself. I can only comment on the qualities that I think are important, can't I.

I think this is the problem though. It seems from reading on here that we expect much better than Allardyce, but the inference is that there is someone better. Good managers are usually employed.

This was partially my issue with the pitch fork thing and Koeman. Yeah OK maybe whoever didn't like Koeman and wanted him gone. He went and this forum rapidly became confused not really knowing what they wanted. That took about two days.

Early doors it was Marco Silva. It took one game for that to change. Then Unsworth. Leicester changed that.

The fan base still hasn't got a clue. But they'll start crying if it's Allardyce before a ball's been kicked. The criticism has already moved to Moshiri. He did what the fans wanted (not me I hasten to add). Now it seems we want a mystery manager from abroad. That is a massive risk. I don't understand why people can't see that.

It's all very well saying it's not my problem. The fans played a big part in the problem. Koeman deserved more time, and he deserved more support. When the fans turn early, the players pick up on that and then it snowballs. And then you've quickly turned into crystal palace sacking your manager every season. I never wanted that. I think the fans have to take some responsibility for this mess too.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: kramer0 on November 07, 2017, 05:46:10 AM
The "but who can deliver all that?" question proves even further why we need a proper director of football, not just a scout who's been promoted to the level of his incompetence.

Keeping tabs on managers across Europe -- playing style, record with young players, etc. -- is basically a full-time job, like van der Meyde says. There's next to no chance that Moshiri and Kenwright follow these things carefully enough to make an informed decision about who's best to lead Everton forward. That's why the shortlist is basically comprised of names close to home, like Allardyce (well-known in England), Dyche, Silva (early season PL success stories), and Nuno (early season Championship success story), with a couple of well-known, out-of-reach options from abroad (Ancelotti, Tuchel) thrown in for good measure.

This is the sort of thing a proper DoF can handle. The job is all about learning what players, managers, coaches, etc. are a good fit for the club and it's goals and using that information to find the right candidate when the club needs a new player, manager, coach, etc.

Where managers are concerned, the DoF is particularly important. If you haven't noticed, the vast majority of them are only good for two or three years at an individual club. There are outliers -- Sir Alex Ferguson, Wenger, etc. -- but by and large, most only perform well for a few years before they burn out or their ideas get stale. The only way to keep transitions smooth is to have to someone who understands managerial talent and has targets lined up ahead of time. Moshiri and Kenwright weren't at all prepared to be in our current situation, hence the lack of movement, and Walsh just wants to bring his pals to the club. It goes without saying that that's a bad process.

The best move for the long-term health of the club would be to sack Walsh and find someone qualified to take on a greater share of power in making big football decisions, especially if it takes the burden off of Moshiri/Kenwright. It's a healthy sign that we want someone in that sort of position, but in practice, it's been a disaster and, done poorly, a DoF does more harm than good.

In the absence of swapping out Walsh for someone better, Moshiri and Kenwright need to look into football consulting firms. Moshiri worked with 21st Club when he bought into Everton so clearly he's not against the idea. Ted Knutson's consulting group would do a much better job of identifying suitable targets than any of the big decision-makers at the club, which would hold us over until next time. I'd still prefer to see us have qualified decision-makers in house, though.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Gash on November 07, 2017, 05:55:31 AM
The "but who can deliver all that?" question proves even further why we need a proper director of football, not just a scout who's been promoted to the level of his incompetence.

Keeping tabs on managers across Europe -- playing style, record with young players, etc. -- is basically a full-time job, like van der Meyde says. There's next to no chance that Moshiri and Kenwright follow these things carefully enough to make an informed decision about who's best to lead Everton forward. That's why the shortlist is basically comprised of names close to home, like Allardyce (well-known in England), Dyche, Silva (early season PL success stories), and Nuno (early season Championship success story), with a couple of well-known, out-of-reach options from abroad (Ancelotti, Tuchel) thrown in for good measure.

This is the sort of thing a proper DoF can handle. The job is all about learning what players, managers, coaches, etc. are a good fit for the club and it's goals and using that information to find the right candidate when the club needs a new player, manager, coach, etc.

Where managers are concerned, the DoF is particularly important. If you haven't noticed, the vast majority of them are only good for two or three years at an individual club. There are outliers -- Sir Alex Ferguson, Wenger, etc. -- but by and large, most only perform well for a few years before they burn out or their ideas get stale. The only way to keep transitions smooth is to have to someone who understands managerial talent and has targets lined up ahead of time. Moshiri and Kenwright weren't at all prepared to be in our current situation, hence the lack of movement, and Walsh just wants to bring his pals to the club. It goes without saying that that's a bad process.

The best move for the long-term health of the club would be to sack Walsh and find someone qualified to take on a greater share of power in making big football decisions, especially if it takes the burden off of Moshiri/Kenwright. It's a healthy sign that we want someone in that sort of position, but in practice, it's been a disaster and, done poorly, a DoF does more harm than good.

In the absence of swapping out Walsh for someone better, Moshiri and Kenwright need to look into football consulting firms. Moshiri worked with 21st Club when he bought into Everton so clearly he's not against the idea. Ted Knutson's consulting group would do a much better job of identifying suitable targets than any of the big decision-makers at the club, which would hold us over until next time. I'd still prefer to see us have qualified decision-makers in house, though.

You want rid of Walsh? Well you've kept that quiet!
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: kramer0 on November 07, 2017, 05:59:40 AM
You want rid of Walsh? Well you've kept that quiet!

Yes, I have a bad habit of repeating my opinions over and over until someone calls me out.

On to the next one...
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: ally2 on November 07, 2017, 06:00:35 AM
I've no idea how good a job Walsh has done. It's there anything in Emanalo resigning at Chelsea?
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: kramer0 on November 07, 2017, 06:08:07 AM
I've no idea how good a job Walsh has done. It's there anything in Emanalo resigning at Chelsea?

Sounds like Abramovich wanted him to stay but Emanalo wanted to spend more time with his kids. I'm sure Conte is happy, anyhow.

If they need a new technical director, we've got a guy. Helped Leicester win the league. No compensation necessary.

(I'll stop now)
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Thomas on November 07, 2017, 06:55:09 AM
Marco Silva MAY be good but he also follows the same story of Mike Walker at Norwich. Having one good season with a similar type club, beat some good teams (Bayern) etc. He's a risk. So was Pochettino for Spurs though and that worked out well. Silva has also managed Olympiakos which although not a huge deal here, is a pressure cooker there.

I don't care what anyone says, however, I still rate Rafa Benitez as a coach as he has good tactics, wins things nearly everywhere he goes and has the respect of players and the football world. The same for Roberto Manicini.

Overall however I really want a manager who is committed to counter attacking football and 442. A Ranieri/Simeone style guy.

Tuchel to me just seems for fucking hipsters.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on November 07, 2017, 09:42:44 AM
I’m worried our board are getting all star-struck again and trying up appease the fan base by going for a high-profile candidate. I make a distinction between high-profile and recently successful. We’ll end up with someone like Mancini who’s career is on the wane and has no experience of dealing with our current predicament.  Oh, and likes falling out with people.
I just don’t trust our board to deliver on this.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: blueToffee on November 07, 2017, 11:20:36 AM
Tuchel to me just seems for fucking hipsters.

(https://images.cdn.fourfourtwo.com/sites/fourfourtwo.com/files/styles/inline-image/public/tuchel_0.jpg?itok=opq0UeBq)
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Macca77 on November 07, 2017, 02:56:09 PM
Alan Brazil reckons Moshri spoke with Watford’s chairman on Sunday saying we want to speak with Silva. 100% it happened he said.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: kramer0 on November 07, 2017, 05:27:35 PM
(https://images.cdn.fourfourtwo.com/sites/fourfourtwo.com/files/styles/inline-image/public/tuchel_0.jpg?itok=opq0UeBq)

I'd be banging the drum for him if we weren't such a mess behind the scenes. Can't imagine him working with the likes of Walsh or Kenwright at all, though.

On the other hand, if we wanted to burn the remnants of the current structure and start afresh...
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: blargins on November 07, 2017, 06:23:48 PM
I don't know much about him, but David Wagner would be an interesting appointment, purely for his close relationship to Klopp. Would make derby days a little more interesting. A different angle anyway.

We're going to get Allardyce though, aren't we?
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Hawkandro on November 07, 2017, 06:26:04 PM
I reckon we are just waiting for Chelsea to bin off Conte, then Mosh will strike, like a coiled Cobra.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Audrey Horne on November 07, 2017, 06:48:32 PM
https://twitter.com/SkyKaveh/status/927873712241758209

https://twitter.com/EvertonNewsFeed/status/927876283916341248
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Waltzer on November 07, 2017, 06:49:34 PM
Now this is more like it, rather this than Dyche/Allardyce talk, even if it probably wont come off!!

Everton news: Diego Simeone is Toffees' No 1 choice as next manager - Kaveh Solhekol

EVERTON want to appoint Atletico Madrid boss Diego Simeone as their new manager, according to Sky Sports reporter Kaveh Solhekol.
Everton have been without a manager since sacking Ronald Koeman last month.

Former Toffees defender David Unsworth has taken charge of the last four matches, winning one and losing the other three.

Sam Allardyce is the bookies favourite to take over at Goodison Park but now it seems Simeone is on their shortlist.

Solhekol says it is unlikely Everton will be able to prise the Argentine away from Atletico but he is their “dream” appointment.

“Everton working hard behind the scenes to find a new manager,” Solhekol said.
“We understand they’re working on four options at the moment.

“The one that’s really, really interesting, the dream candidate we’re being told is Diego Simeone the Atletico Madrid manager.

“We understand he is the No 1 choice of Everton’s owner Farhad Moshiri, a man who has a lot of money. He’s the man who Moshiri wants.

“Of course it’s going to be very, very difficult to get Diego Simeone out of Atletico Madrid.
“A club who are unbeaten in La Liga, I think they’re fourth in the table. They’re not doing great in the Champions League at the moment, they’re in the same group as Chelsea and Roma.

“But he is Farhad Moshiri’s dream candidate. It would be very surprising to see him at Everton but Farhad Moshiri is a very rich man, he wants the best for Everton.

“He thinks that Diego Simeone would be the right man for the job.”

The three other managers Solhekol says are on Everton's shortlist are Sam Allardyce, Unsworth and Watford boss Marco Silva.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Cereal Killer on November 07, 2017, 06:50:09 PM
https://twitter.com/SkyKaveh/status/927873712241758209

https://twitter.com/EvertonNewsFeed/status/927876283916341248

 lolol

That's the spirit!!
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Hawkandro on November 07, 2017, 06:52:23 PM
Diego Simeone














































Marco Silva
Sam Allardyce
David Unsworth

That is one unbalanced shortlist.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Audrey Horne on November 07, 2017, 06:52:55 PM
:snigger:
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: kramer0 on November 07, 2017, 06:56:49 PM
Is that a reputable source? Oh Farhad, you dreamer.

It's fair enough to ask and it's good to want the best people but eventually, Moshiri has to have a serious re-think of how he's going to get top talent at the club. Until we have any sort of serious reputation, it's all about finding the future Simeones, Costas, Sanchezes, Girouds, etc. We lack that vision right now and that's why we always seem to end up spinning our wheels for awhile before ending up with mediocrity, whether we're looking at players or managers.

Hire someone good to find that playing/managerial talent before it's well-known. This continues to be the easiest solution to what ails us.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: blue slug on November 07, 2017, 06:58:26 PM
I want whatever Moshiri's on, absolute pisser that is
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Brownie20 on November 07, 2017, 07:01:15 PM
Love it.

This is like me wanting Liz Hurley to come over my house wearing nothing but a fur coat and a pair of FMBs. Ain't going to happen but I'd still ask
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Ross on November 07, 2017, 07:01:18 PM
Jim White just confirmed Moshiri is “a big BIG admirer of Simeone”.

Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Macca77 on November 07, 2017, 07:02:32 PM
Love it.

This is like me wanting Liz Hurley to come over my house wearing nothing but a fur coat and a pair of FMBs. Ain't going to happen but I'd still ask

Oh it happened and she was shit
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: BlueBeagle on November 07, 2017, 07:03:20 PM
Now this is more like it, rather this than Dyche/Allardyce talk, even if it probably wont come off!!

How is that "more like it"?

1) It's never going to happen so why even waste time pretending it might?

2) It makes Moshiri (if true) look so fucking delusional that it's actually a major concern.

3) Everyone up and down the country will read that and laugh out loud.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Brownie20 on November 07, 2017, 07:04:38 PM
Oh it happened and she was shit

She told me your technique was off putting
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Macca77 on November 07, 2017, 07:06:08 PM
She told me your technique was off putting

Couldn't get it up, to many G&T's beforehand
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Macca77 on November 07, 2017, 07:07:18 PM
Just choked on my cuppa

https://twitter.com/GillyAP/status/927883031150555136
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: kramer0 on November 07, 2017, 07:10:35 PM
We ALL admire Simeone’s work at Atletico. Even if you think he’s a bit of a twat, you have to admit that he’s done an incredible job with that team.

It’s precisely why we won’t be able to hire him.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Waltzer on November 07, 2017, 07:16:15 PM
How is that "more like it"?

1) It's never going to happen so why even waste time pretending it might?

2) It makes Moshiri (if true) look so fucking delusional that it's actually a major concern.

3) Everyone up and down the country will read that and laugh out loud.

Phuck it then lets just sign Big Sam and be happy with mediocrity for ever, actually lets just give up full stop?

You're right it probably wont ever happen but until you ask who knows, id rather get turned down by Simeone and every other manager that you deem is too good for us than not ask the question on the off chance one of them might say yes. Who really cares what people think, I actually think news stories like this raise our profile, it shows ambition that weve been lacking for soooo many years.

What do you think people will laugh harder at, us going for Simeone or ending up with Allardyce?
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Escla on November 07, 2017, 07:17:20 PM
How is that "more like it"?

1) It's never going to happen so why even waste time pretending it might?

2) It makes Moshiri (if true) look so fucking delusional that it's actually a major concern.

3) Everyone up and down the country will read that and laugh out loud.

Whose pretending it might happen ? Has he said he's a target, no ! "Everyone up and down the country will read THAT and laugh out loud" read what ?
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on November 07, 2017, 07:17:48 PM
Could this be Moshiri giving his mates at Sky a marquee name to appease the fans and distance ourselves from the backlash of the Allerdyce links? Sets ourselves up for a fall if (when) we don’t get him.

Moshiri is starting to really concern me.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Macca77 on November 07, 2017, 07:18:34 PM
Its not season ticket sales time again is it
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Gary1878 on November 07, 2017, 07:19:32 PM
This Simeone talk is like when you have cheated on Football Manager to get a £1bn budget with Yeovil in League two, and then try to buy Neymar. You then have to settle for Akinfenwa at Wycombe, because your shit.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on November 07, 2017, 07:19:39 PM
Phuck it then lets just sign Big Sam and be happy with mediocrity for ever, actually lets just give up full stop?

You're right it probably wont ever happen but until you ask who knows, id rather get turned down by Simeone and every other manager that you deem is too good for us than not ask the question on the off chance one of them might say yes. Who really cares what people think, I actually think news stories like this raise our profile, it shows ambition that weve been lacking for soooo many years.

What do you think people will laugh harder at, us going for Simeone or ending up with Allardyce?
They’ll get a double laugh when we go for Simeone and end up with Allerdyce.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Macca77 on November 07, 2017, 07:22:12 PM
https://twitter.com/TheSportsman/status/927885359765221376
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Ross on November 07, 2017, 07:22:28 PM
https://twitter.com/ALANMYERSMEDIA/status/927882576764833793
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Waltzer on November 07, 2017, 07:26:43 PM
They’ll get a double laugh when we go for Simeone and end up with Allerdyce.

So what, weve been a laughing stock most of my life, imagine their faces if it did come off? If you dont buy a ticket you aint winning the lottery!
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Jimmywhack on November 07, 2017, 07:27:09 PM
https://twitter.com/ALANMYERSMEDIA/status/927882576764833793
Megan Fox was my first choice like but hey ho
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: pjk on November 07, 2017, 07:34:35 PM
https://twitter.com/ALANMYERSMEDIA/status/927882576764833793




This is the sort of an announcement from Alan Myers that gives it some legs. I doubt he could afford to be wrong to this degree if he didn't think there was something at least possible, or even genuine in it. Maybe it's a target too far. I would like to think Moshiri would think we're good enough to get him though.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: plumber on November 07, 2017, 07:36:07 PM
I doubt Simeone is a good choice. Too negative and doesn't get us.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: GLewis on November 07, 2017, 07:37:08 PM
Great stuff.

As has been said; surely there’s some options just below Simeone but much better than the rest of the “list”...
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Macca77 on November 07, 2017, 07:42:05 PM
Can he bring the following with him

Griezmann
Saul
Godin
Koke
Luis
Gameiro
Gabi

Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: boothill on November 07, 2017, 07:45:37 PM
Now this is more like it, rather this than Dyche/Allardyce talk, even if it probably wont come off!!

Everton news: Diego Simeone is Toffees' No 1 choice as next manager - Kaveh Solhekol

EVERTON want to appoint Atletico Madrid boss Diego Simeone as their new manager, according to Sky Sports reporter Kaveh Solhekol.
Everton have been without a manager since sacking Ronald Koeman last month.

Former Toffees defender David Unsworth has taken charge of the last four matches, winning one and losing the other three.

Sam Allardyce is the bookies favourite to take over at Goodison Park but now it seems Simeone is on their shortlist.

Solhekol says it is unlikely Everton will be able to prise the Argentine away from Atletico but he is their "dream” appointment.

"Everton working hard behind the scenes to find a new manager,” Solhekol said.
"We understand they're working on four options at the moment.

"The one that's really, really interesting, the dream candidate we're being told is Diego Simeone the Atletico Madrid manager.

"We understand he is the No 1 choice of Everton's owner Farhad Moshiri, a man who has a lot of money. He's the man who Moshiri wants.

"Of course it's going to be very, very difficult to get Diego Simeone out of Atletico Madrid.
"A club who are unbeaten in La Liga, I think they're fourth in the table. They're not doing great in the Champions League at the moment, they're in the same group as Chelsea and Roma.

"But he is Farhad Moshiri's dream candidate. It would be very surprising to see him at Everton but Farhad Moshiri is a very rich man, he wants the best for Everton.

"He thinks that Diego Simeone would be the right man for the job.”

The three other managers Solhekol says are on Everton's shortlist are Sam Allardyce, Unsworth and Watford boss Marco Silva.
Im off to tjs to get his black suits
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: boothill on November 07, 2017, 07:46:38 PM
Love it.

This is like me wanting Liz Hurley to come over my house wearing nothing but a fur coat and a pair of FMBs. Ain't going to happen but I'd still ask
Thats in the wank bank for later
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Confucius on November 07, 2017, 07:48:28 PM
If there is even a 10% chance of this happening in the Summer, give the season to Unsworth and wait
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Waltzer on November 07, 2017, 07:50:49 PM
If there is even a 10% chance of this happening in the Summer, give the season to Unsworth and wait

Id happily take Allardyce until the summer if this was an option
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Hawkandro on November 07, 2017, 07:53:01 PM
I was going to say, would surely be Allardyce until summer with a hefty bonus for keeping us up, then Simeone from then...
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: boothill on November 07, 2017, 07:53:03 PM
Love it.

This is like me wanting Liz Hurley to come over my house wearing nothing but a fur coat and a pair of FMBs. Ain't going to happen but I'd still ask
Best i can do for now
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: TheRam on November 07, 2017, 07:56:52 PM
We've gone full West Ham.

Never go full West Ham
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Waltzer on November 07, 2017, 08:04:36 PM
We've gone full West Ham.

Never go full West Ham

As much as i dont think this will happen, the optimist in me thinks he cant completely of ruled it out. I expect for this news to come out there must have been dialogue with some parties and the fact it states were still interested, but something might be possible in the summer if not now gives me hope?

West Ham interest was 'West Ham have been blown out by everyone' and this came within 24 hours of sacking Bilic and appointing Moyes.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Rodenplav64 on November 07, 2017, 08:13:22 PM
My preferred choice of car are Lamborghini , Mazerratti , Ferrari , Ford and Vauxhall .
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Brownie20 on November 07, 2017, 08:16:54 PM
Thats in the wank bank for later

It hasn't left mine since about 1995
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Brownie20 on November 07, 2017, 08:17:46 PM
Best i can do for now

Presses 'save image' on ipad
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Danny on November 07, 2017, 08:37:53 PM
Wouldn't surprise me if it happened, we'll just offer him about 9 mill per season.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Major Clanger on November 07, 2017, 08:41:32 PM
Can anyone name a club that didn't end up worse off after his departure than they had been before his arrival?
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: everton1952 on November 07, 2017, 08:55:57 PM
A problem Evertonians have in general is we still imagine we belong to the "top club" group. Not long ago we had aspirations for bridging the gap between  7th and maybe 5th within a year or two; some used the Spurs model as our example. The bottom has temporally  fallen out of that ambition, and we are now competing on a level with clubs usually despised on this forum; clubs we normally associate with the likes of Big Sam bail outs. Well that is us at the present like it or not, and if the appointment of Big Sam to steady the boat until the end of the season pays off, then we can raise our sights next May to a long term appointment  to manage our club from hopefully a top 10 position, and resume our planned ascent to the higher positions. 
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Major Clanger on November 07, 2017, 09:14:01 PM
A problem Evertonians have in general is we still imagine we belong to the "top club" group. Not long ago we had aspirations for bridging the gap between  7th and maybe 5th within a year or two; some used the Spurs model as our example. The bottom has temporally  fallen out of that ambition, and we are now competing on a level with clubs usually despised on this forum; clubs we normally associate with the likes of Big Sam bail outs. Well that is us at the present like it or not, and if the appointment of Big Sam to steady the boat until the end of the season pays off, then we can raise our sights next May to a long term appointment  to manage our club from hopefully a top 10 position, and resume our planned ascent to the higher positions. 

Okay, so let's see how this is supposed to pan out.

Big Sam comes in, we pay him (and quite a lot of agents) a shitload of money, he brings in all his people and "saves us from relegation". So far so good.

It's June now, we spend another shitload of money to sack him and all the people he brought in except for the half a dozen mercenary players on massive long-term contracts he signed in January.

What is the next step?
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: piggypop on November 07, 2017, 09:19:44 PM
Great stuff.

As has been said; surely there's some options just below Simeone but much better than the rest of the "list”...
Maybe not "just below" but wouldn't Dyche be in a similar vein? Direct, highly drilled and aggressive football.

If we want to seriously compete with the current top 6 we'd have to be very, very lucky to do that with nice passing football. Our recruitment would probably have to be 100% successful (while taking a risk on some players), a couple of home growns would need to turn out to be world class and tactically we'd need a manager that was a genius, as well as being able to get players to run through walls.
Even with moshiri's money, we can't compete on players with the top 6. If any prime quality becomes available they'll likely just go elsewhere for a bigger paycheck or guaranteed glory.

Tactics similar to Simeone are surely the way forward for us muscle in.
Of course, most people are saying they don't want to watch that type of football. I suppose it might be a choice between entertainment and success.
Personally, I loved the season we finished 4th. Not pretty football for the majority of the time, but the atmosphere at Goodison was mint for most of the games. I'd rather be on my way home with a winning buzz.

In saying all that, if we don't go the direct football route I'd go for Silva...
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: kramer0 on November 07, 2017, 09:22:36 PM
Okay, so let's see how this is supposed to pan out.

Big Sam comes in, we pay him (and quite a lot of agents) a shitload of money, he brings in all his people and "saves us from relegation". So far so good.

It's June now, we spend another shitload of money to sack him and all the people he brought in except for the half a dozen mercenary players on massive long-term contracts he signed in January.

What is the next step?

1. Spend the entire summer trying for Simeone

2. Fail to bring him in

3. Scoff at all of the alternatives

4. Go into the season without a manager
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: formerKHL on November 07, 2017, 09:28:42 PM
Simeone has to be the way forward.....

he built a team/club from nowhere to not only compete with the big boys...but beat them at their own game at times.....AND at a fraction of what the big boys spent...

the blokes a winner with a winning mentality....success may take a bit longer than expected if he comes...but I believe it will come...he's proved he can do it...

PS...don't forget who the "big boys" are that he's competed with and beaten...
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: everton1952 on November 07, 2017, 09:29:42 PM
Okay, so let's see how this is supposed to pan out.

Big Sam comes in, we pay him (and quite a lot of agents) a shitload of money, he brings in all his people and "saves us from relegation". So far so good.

It's June now, we spend another shitload of money to sack him and all the people he brought in except for the half a dozen mercenary players on massive long-term contracts he signed in January.

What is the next step?

You are implying two things. One he is incompetent and two he will get a long term contract which will cost "a shitload of money to sack him". You might be wrong on both counts; he succeeds in steadying the ship and his contract is short term say to end of the season.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Django on November 07, 2017, 09:42:57 PM
Hearing Tuchel has turned us down. Dunno when this was but probably why his name has come out of the running.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: kramer0 on November 07, 2017, 09:47:37 PM
Hearing Tuchel has turned us down. Dunno when this was but probably why his name has come out of the running.

He will have plenty of clubs that aren't a total disaster to choose from come summer time. No surprise.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Major Clanger on November 07, 2017, 09:48:28 PM
You are implying two things. One he is incompetent and two he will get a long term contract which will cost "a shitload of money to sack him". You might be wrong on both counts; he succeeds in steadying the ship and his contract is short term say to end of the season.

I'm not assuming anything special at all.

Will he sign a short term contract? Of course he won't, he's never done so before.
Will he bring in his own backroom staff? Yes, it's what he does every single time.
Will he sign a bunch of mercenaries in January? Yes, it's what he does every single time.
Will it be hard for us to get rid of those players? You bet it will.

So given all this, how is the post-Allardyce rebuilding supposed to go?
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: kramer0 on November 07, 2017, 09:53:38 PM
Starting to worry that all this operating-in-public nonsense is going to cost us more good players/managers than it gets us.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: D15TIN on November 07, 2017, 10:01:50 PM
Ticks all of the boxes Simeone doesn't he really, don't think he speaks English like
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Waltzer on November 07, 2017, 10:04:54 PM
MADRID-BASED JOURNALIST GIVES DEVELOPMENT ON REPORTED EVERTON INTEREST IN DIEGO SIMEONE

Everton will not hire Diego Simeone as their next manager, according to a reliable journalist.

Madrid-based reporter Dermot Corrigan, who writes for ESPN, claimed on his personal Twitter account on Tuesday that Simeone, 47, will not be the man to replace Ronald Koeman at Goodison Park, quoting a tweet featuring that news story.

 Dermot Corrigan ✔@dermotmcorrigan
This is not, repeat not, going to happen https://twitter.com/LivEchoEFC/status/927905957664960514 …

Corrigan, who locates himself as being in Madrid on his Twitter profile, detailed the development later in the day after Sky Sports’ Kaveh Solkehol reported on his personal Twitter account that the Atletico Madrid manager was wanted by Toffees owner Farhad Moshiri.

Simeone is widely seen as one of the outstanding managers in European football where he has led Atletico to multiple Champions League finals and most famously broke the Real Madrid and Barcelona duopoly by winning the 2013/14 La Liga title.

He has been in charge of Atleti since 2011, a year where he went through three jobs including Italian side Catania and Argentinean club Racing Club.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Gary1878 on November 07, 2017, 10:09:05 PM
I think it is the right way to go about things.

You have a manager list of 10 names, and start at the very best, and see if they are interested. If they are, then you go through the channels to get them to interview stage, and hopefully end up with the best man for the job.

I just can't imagine that Allardyce is near the top, certainly not near Simeone anyway!
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: kramer0 on November 07, 2017, 10:12:17 PM
Or players/managers think you're a gang of buffoons for courting them in public before any serious contact is made.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Rodenplav64 on November 07, 2017, 10:16:46 PM
Martinez tried to play football and ultimately failed because of poor defending . We had some really good results against the top teams and played like we could beat them . I want someone who thinks we are good enough to beat the top 6 not someone who thinks he can keep us up as we aren't going down in any case .
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Major Clanger on November 07, 2017, 10:38:17 PM
Or players/managers think you're a gang of buffoons for courting them in public before any serious contact is made.

And you end up signing someone who knows he was fourth choice. What's worse, the fans all know it too.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: hill135 on November 07, 2017, 10:45:35 PM
Not this again!

We’re not going to get Diego Simeone. It’s not very nsno, but there’s no point in even asking.

Moshiri looking more and more Tony Fernandes with each week
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Martip on November 07, 2017, 10:45:43 PM
Simeone has to be the way forward.....

he built a team/club from nowhere to not only compete with the big boys...but beat them at their own game at times.....AND at a fraction of what the big boys spent...

the blokes a winner with a winning mentality....success may take a bit longer than expected if he comes...but I believe it will come...he's proved he can do it...

PS...don't forget who the "big boys" are that he's competed with and beaten...
If we hot him if have a hard on for a week. Wont happen though.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 07, 2017, 10:58:33 PM
I think it is the right way to go about things.

You have a manager list of 10 names, and start at the very best, and see if they are interested. If they are, then you go through the channels to get them to interview stage, and hopefully end up with the best man for the job.

I just can't imagine that Allardyce is near the top, certainly not near Simeone anyway!

Surely it's just a bit daft. Like asking Messi if he fancies being our new striker..... we already know the answer
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: sam of the south on November 07, 2017, 11:14:56 PM
Not this again!

We're not going to get Diego Simeone. It's not very nsno, but there's no point in even asking.

Moshiri looking more and more Tony Fernandes with each week


He's looking as ridiculous as Tony Ferrino nevermind Fernandes


(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171107/27f00a17d720a0b4ecec4bc8976dde1b.jpg)
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Major Clanger on November 07, 2017, 11:19:16 PM
Not to mention that the whole public search effectively ruled out the possibility of Unsy getting the job full time right from the off.

As it happens, we probably don't want to do it anyway, but to burn a bridge without seeing what's on the other side sounds incredibly stupid.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Audrey Horne on November 07, 2017, 11:35:49 PM
We are a fucking embarrassment arent we :(
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: everton1952 on November 07, 2017, 11:36:45 PM
Get a grip will you conspirators, twitter followers, Tweeters or what the fuck you call it. The panic on here is incredible. Give some credit to someone who didn't get to be a billionaire by being stupid.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: bluenuck on November 07, 2017, 11:41:44 PM
Get a grip will you conspirators, twitter followers, Tweeters or what the fuck you call it. The panic on here is incredible. Give some credit to someone who didn't get to be a billionaire by being stupid.

Just a report on sky sports about we have a shortlist, and everyone says our owner is making it public so we're an embarrassment??... I really don't get it.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on November 07, 2017, 11:41:48 PM
It’ll be 24hrs before the Palace game and we won’t have a manager, will we?
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: everton1952 on November 07, 2017, 11:46:10 PM
It’ll be 24hrs before the Palace game and we won’t have a manager, will we?
You forced my hand to dig out the old crystal ball again. I can see hazily a manager, I think, going slightly bald and quite fat, with a permanent grin on his face.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on November 07, 2017, 11:49:50 PM
Dyche said Simeone is shite anyway.
Title: Re: Who should we go for?
Post by: Escla on November 07, 2017, 11:53:57 PM