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Title: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Brownie20 on October 23, 2017, 07:35:13 PM
Just seen a statement posted on fb from the club
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Post by: WeimaranerBlues on October 23, 2017, 07:35:59 PM
Gone on Talksport
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Post by: Brownie20 on October 23, 2017, 07:36:34 PM
SSN reporting it now
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Post by: Bob Sacamano on October 23, 2017, 07:36:35 PM
Holy shit.
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Post by: Audrey Horne on October 23, 2017, 07:37:28 PM
OH MY GOD
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Post by: hill135 on October 23, 2017, 07:37:28 PM
(https://media3.giphy.com/media/b5LTssxCLpvVe/giphy.gif)
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Post by: TheTone on October 23, 2017, 07:37:35 PM
(http://www.eplpod.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/5.jpg)
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Post by: formerKHL on October 23, 2017, 07:38:23 PM
heard this this morning but wasn't sure it wasn't bolloxx..
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Post by: Cassius on October 23, 2017, 07:38:25 PM
Decisive, right decision as we've known for ages now.

I hope we've got a replacement lined up.
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Post by: Redartin on October 23, 2017, 07:38:32 PM
Ding dong the witch is dead
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Post by: Confucius on October 23, 2017, 07:38:45 PM
BBC too
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Post by: Audrey Horne on October 23, 2017, 07:39:00 PM
please please dont fuck up this replacement....
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Post by: WeimaranerBlues on October 23, 2017, 07:40:08 PM
everyone needs to take a cold hard look at them selves (everyone)----the players can't get away with this scot free---   not saying his sacking is not justified, not all his fault --paid the price--               
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Post by: Gash on October 23, 2017, 07:40:18 PM
It was inevitable, no way could he carry on.
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Post by: Tinga on October 23, 2017, 07:41:27 PM
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Post by: Lazarou on October 23, 2017, 07:41:29 PM
Big decisions to be made or have been made.

Fair play to Farhad came up to watch, slept on it then fired his ass.
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Post by: dekko on October 23, 2017, 07:41:32 PM
Any statements whoís in charge now? Caretaker?
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Post by: hill135 on October 23, 2017, 07:41:34 PM
Breathing a sigh of relief here. Didn't think the board was gonna pull the trigger.
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Post by: formerKHL on October 23, 2017, 07:42:03 PM
I've got a horrible feeling our problems are only really just beginning...
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Post by: hackersunite on October 23, 2017, 07:42:11 PM
Thanks for last season....................... .....(Tumbleweed)
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Lazarou on October 23, 2017, 07:42:20 PM
Most un-Everton like really. Maybe Moshiri is the real deal?
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Post by: Redartin on October 23, 2017, 07:42:58 PM
please please dont fuck up this replacement....

Like a Frank de Boer type?

He will probably apply again.
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Post by: Tinga on October 23, 2017, 07:43:29 PM
Marco Silva for me.
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Post by: JordanianEmbassy on October 23, 2017, 07:43:47 PM
please please dont fuck up this replacement....

The Smiths??
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Post by: indiantoffee1975 on October 23, 2017, 07:44:31 PM
Laters Konman. Best news all season.
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Post by: dazfrancis on October 23, 2017, 07:44:59 PM
Who's in charge now?
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Post by: Lazarou on October 23, 2017, 07:45:26 PM
I am actually excited for the first time in weeks regarding Everton.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: hackersunite on October 23, 2017, 07:45:33 PM
In reality who is there.
Ancelotti - don't think so. More chance of landing Lukaku back on loan.
Moyes- nope!
Big sam - no no no no.
Frank de Boer - no.
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Post by: Jimmywhack on October 23, 2017, 07:45:37 PM
Its gonna be a long road to recovery tho
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Post by: Ross on October 23, 2017, 07:45:50 PM
Thatís the easy bit out of the way.
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Post by: sam of the south on October 23, 2017, 07:45:57 PM
Phew
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Post by: TheTone on October 23, 2017, 07:46:59 PM
I am actually excited for the first time in weeks regarding Everton.

wednesdays game will soon knock that out of you, behave lid
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Post by: Deano Blue Boy on October 23, 2017, 07:46:59 PM
Si should of waited a day to give his season ticket to the steward
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Post by: christiffa25 on October 23, 2017, 07:47:01 PM
Thank god. Needed to be done.

Not even because of the results or league table. The way we were playing was behond a joke. And he just kept with same shit expecting different results.

He deserved to go !!
Good riddance
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: BlueForYou on October 23, 2017, 07:48:30 PM
You've got what you wanted

What do you want now?

3 wins on the bounce? 17th place to avoid relegation? A busy January in the transfer market? FA Cup? Attacking football?

Cheer the new manager before he's started? How long will give him? How will you feel if he loses the first 3 games?

Nervous





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Post by: Macca77 on October 23, 2017, 07:49:10 PM
Finally
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Post by: gizzblue on October 23, 2017, 07:49:17 PM
**Dances jig**

Wooooowhhhho
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Tinga on October 23, 2017, 07:49:47 PM
You've got what you wanted

What do you want now?

3 wins on the bounce? 17th place to avoid relegation? A busy January in the transfer market? FA Cup? Attacking football?

Cheer the new manager before he's started? How long will give him? How will you feel if he loses the first 3 games?

Nervous







Why do you write like you're in an old TV show?
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: JordanianEmbassy on October 23, 2017, 07:49:53 PM
Does this mean I'm not giving my ticket away for Wednesday?
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Post by: ally2 on October 23, 2017, 07:50:01 PM
Was inevitable but I'm still sort of shocked.

The reality though is that we might find it difficult to get a suitable replacement, and, like it or not, us sacking a manager is failure, and nobody should be reveling in it.
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Post by: Deano Blue Boy on October 23, 2017, 07:50:32 PM
Now get Barkley signed up
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Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on October 23, 2017, 07:51:02 PM
Woohooo, made up. But I wont be dancing a jig just yet, just in case they appoint Moyes or Big Sam, etc :D
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: everton1952 on October 23, 2017, 07:51:24 PM
I am not excited, just upset. I hate turmoil surrounding our club. Back to square one with God knows who playing the same cards as Koeman was dealt. Shit days ahead as well as the shit days we have already gone through. Must have been Moshiri. Endless crap managers will now be wafted through the media. 
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Post by: kewns23 on October 23, 2017, 07:52:00 PM
Strange they haven't mention unsworth ummm
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Post by: BlueForYou on October 23, 2017, 07:52:14 PM
What old TV show?
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Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on October 23, 2017, 07:52:29 PM
Can we appoint Ronaldo, as Player Manager?
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: toffee_scot on October 23, 2017, 07:52:50 PM
About time, at least the board have acknowledged enough is enough.

Now we will have to see what happens, I hope the board have an idea of who to bring in.
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Post by: WeimaranerBlues on October 23, 2017, 07:55:46 PM
think this will be a lot hard to turn round are current mess, than last time under Bobby---

not going to be easy viewing lads   neeed  3   quick wins
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Post by: piggypop on October 23, 2017, 07:55:51 PM
Now get Barkley signed up
Graham Beecroft on talksport reckons there were major problems within the squad because of how badly Koeman treated certain players. It's probably safe to assume one of those is Barkley.
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Post by: dangermouse on October 23, 2017, 07:56:37 PM
I wonder how much that has cost?
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Post by: everton1952 on October 23, 2017, 07:56:54 PM
What is Joe Bloggs going to do with crap like Klassen, Williams and Sandro that Koeman did not do? Hey, I am the new boss and  I command want you to suddenly become PL standard players cos I tell you to?
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Post by: Cozzie on October 23, 2017, 07:57:11 PM
The thing that delights me most about this decision, isn't so much that he has gone, but its the type of decisions BIG clubs make.

I mean this in the sense that none of the so called big 6 would have stood for this if the same where to happen there.

Atleast Moshiri has the balls to make a decision like this. Kenwright would have been all loevy dovey again and Koeman would still be around.

The next appointment will be interesting.
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Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on October 23, 2017, 07:58:23 PM
Thanks for last season....................... .....(Tumbleweed)

Horrendous deja vu....
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Post by: Bluedylan on October 23, 2017, 07:58:40 PM
Thank fuck. I'll be reveling in it big time.
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Post by: BlueForYou on October 23, 2017, 08:00:12 PM
Plus all the backroom staff, bar Ferguson, I guess?
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Post by: Shropshire Blue on October 23, 2017, 08:00:30 PM
The thing that delights me most about this decision, isn't so much that he has gone, but its the type of decisions BIG clubs make.

I mean this in the sense that none of the so called big 6 woulf have stoof for this if the same where to happen there.

Atleast Moshiri has the balls to make a decision like this. Kenwright would have been all loevy dovey again and Koeman would still be around.

The next appointment will be interesting.
Moshiri has the financial clout to do it. Bill didn't.
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Post by: Audrey Horne on October 23, 2017, 08:00:54 PM
Just rang my dad to tell him the news, both dancing round the room hahah :)
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Post by: Bluedylan on October 23, 2017, 08:01:04 PM
What is Joe Bloggs going to do with crap like Klassen, Williams and Sandro that Koeman did not do? Hey, I am the new boss and  I command want you to suddenly become PL standard players cos I tell you to?

They're not crap. Get a friggin grip.
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Post by: Lxxx on October 23, 2017, 08:01:27 PM
Graham Beecroft on talksport reckons there were major problems within the squad because of how badly Koeman treated certain players. It's probably safe to assume one of those is Barkley.

I'm still waiting for the milkman to let loose with his tales from 2 years ago.
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Post by: indiantoffee1975 on October 23, 2017, 08:01:42 PM
Anyone else heard that he's had his full contract paid out?
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Post by: Tinga on October 23, 2017, 08:02:25 PM
They're not crap. Get a friggin grip.

Nah but it'll take a hell of a man manager to get these players out of their slumps mate. I just hope we don't fuck it up and get Big Sam. Personally I think we'll get Eddie Howe but I want Tuchel or Silva.
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Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on October 23, 2017, 08:02:25 PM
Fair to say the Arsenal fans in Bullens called it yesterday......
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Post by: dangermouse on October 23, 2017, 08:02:33 PM
They're not crap. Get a friggin grip.

But they are not suddenly going to start performing either....
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Lxxx on October 23, 2017, 08:02:51 PM
Anyone else heard that he's had his full contract paid out?

No wonder he was at San Carlo's and Neighbourhood. Have you seen the price of a round in there?
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Post by: Lazarou on October 23, 2017, 08:03:59 PM
I wonder how much that has cost?

If you can buy the Liver building so you have nice office facing Bramley Moore then we probably don't need to worry about it.

Disclaimer: The purchase of the building may also make financial sense.
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Post by: dangermouse on October 23, 2017, 08:04:13 PM
Nah but it'll take a hell of a man manager to get these players out of their slumps mate. I just hope we don't fuck it up and get Big Sam. Personally I think we'll get Eddie Howe but I want Tuchel or Silva.

I can only see us taking a massive step backwards :(
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Post by: Tinga on October 23, 2017, 08:05:09 PM
I can only see us taking a massive step backwards :(

If we get Big Sam, we will stay up at least... yay
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Post by: Bluedylan on October 23, 2017, 08:06:02 PM
I can only see us taking a massive step backwards :(

How can you step backwards from being the worst team in the league?
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: dangermouse on October 23, 2017, 08:06:43 PM
If we get Big Sam, we will stay up at least... yay

People expecting Ancelotti or similar are going to be very disappointed. :(
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Post by: Sir Stealth on October 23, 2017, 08:07:34 PM
He had to go and I'm glad the trigger has been pulled

This isn't going to be an easy season, not entirely sure who the best appointment will be but here are a few thoughts on some possible candidates

David Moyes - fuck right off. Seriously if you are considering him you are basically saying you don't want success. Will he magically spring back to how he had us when he finished 4th with us in 04/05 like 13 years ago?or is it more likely he will be the total train wreck of a manager that he was in his last 3 jobs at Man United where he undid a legacy in about 8 months, sociedad where he bombed or Sunderland where he finally relegated a side who had managed to stay up doing the bare minimum for years?

David Unsworth - no management experience. Has done great work with the youth players. All round good guy. Too risky an appointment?better than giving Moyes a try for me just because we would be trying something new. Has worked with lots of the youngsters so we would deem him likely to give them a chance

Carlo Ancelotti - biggest name on the list. He's never taken on a job as shit and unattractive as this though. He has always been at title contenders and champs league regulars. Hard to know how he would get on but if he's interested we would have to give him a chance

Marco Silva - personally would love to see him given a chance. Has shown at Hull and Watford that he can get teams playing well in a short space of time. Studies opposition and is meticulous and seems to be a good man manager. I doubt he would leave part way through a season

Sean Dyche - he's done great at Burnley and I think he deserves a chance at a bigger club. Possibly unfairly labelled as some sort of management dinosaur. He's had Burnley solid defensively and hard to beat. Think he would jump at the chance to manage us

Frank DeBoer - would be a huge risk. Bombed at Palace and Inter. Not the right appointment for me

Sam Allardyce - you know what you get with Big Sam. I certainly wouldn't be worried about relegation if he came but it would be totally uninspiring

Thomas Tuchel - another big name given his reputation in Germany and good work that he has done at Mainz and Dortmund. Feel that he's holding out for a bigger job at a Champs league regular

Roberto Mancini - won the league with City. Hasn't done great since. Also I think he's total mental and I'm sure there's been stories about him losing the dressing room at City/Inter
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Post by: Tinga on October 23, 2017, 08:07:41 PM
How can you step backwards from being the worst team in the league?

(http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/001/217/711/afd.jpg_large)
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Post by: dangermouse on October 23, 2017, 08:09:35 PM
How can you step backwards from being the worst team in the league?

Most narrow-minded Evertonians think we can be the best team in the world next week so.... probably yes.
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Post by: Lxxx on October 23, 2017, 08:11:50 PM
Most narrow-minded Evertonians think we can be the best team in the world next week so.... probably yes.

Not making much sense there pal.
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Post by: Bluedylan on October 23, 2017, 08:12:00 PM
Most narrow-minded Evertonians think we can be the best team in the world next week so.... probably yes.

No idea what you're on about, but thanks for the reply.
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Post by: gizzblue on October 23, 2017, 08:14:37 PM
Nah but it'll take a hell of a man manager to get these players out of their slumps mate. I just hope we don't fuck it up and get Big Sam. Personally I think we'll get Eddie Howe but I want Tuchel or Silva.
Would also be fair to say everyone has a clean slate, nobody ousted nobody being forced out and will be running through walls to impress whoever comes in now too 😅...so it's already a happier dressing room .
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Post by: blueski on October 23, 2017, 08:20:24 PM
whoever takes over probably isn't going to be able to fix things overnight but can't see how things could be much worse

lets hope the board chooses the right person here.
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Post by: SANA_DR0 on October 23, 2017, 08:20:46 PM
break out the bubbly. time to celebrate! we can still kick ass this season!
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Post by: nsno on October 23, 2017, 08:21:54 PM
I think big Sam is highly underrated. I'd have him as our manager now in a shot. He plays a system, is apparently a fantastic man manager, would shore up the defence and has bags of premier league experience with mid table clubs. Anybody on here who believes we are anything but a mid table team is deluded.
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Post by: Smingers on October 23, 2017, 08:22:09 PM
People expecting Ancelotti or similar are going to be very disappointed. :(

If we don't get Ancellotti then yes I will be very disappointed indeed. We need to be thinking big.
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Post by: Escla on October 23, 2017, 08:22:33 PM
Plus all the backroom staff, bar Ferguson, I guess?

He might as well fuck off too, can anyone point to his achievements as coach ? Think he was only appointed because he was a so called legend and Koeman knew the fume he would get if he sacked him as well. Just my view mind you.
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Post by: Bluedylan on October 23, 2017, 08:23:20 PM
Let's see how Unsworth does first. Can't wait for Wednesday night now. Bet the players are buzzing.
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Post by: bigmanbob on October 23, 2017, 08:24:26 PM
I think big Sam is highly underrated. I'd have him as our manager now in a shot. He plays a system, is apparently a fantastic man manager, would shore up the defence and has bags of premier league experience with mid table clubs. Anybody on here who believes we are anything but a mid table team is deluded.
Behave, he is awful, remind me again why he got kicked out of the England job after 1 game?
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Post by: BlueForYou on October 23, 2017, 08:24:41 PM
How do you decipher the right person from the wrong person without them being in the job?

I agree, Ferguson is happy where he is (cushy) - I doubt if he would take the manager's job, if offered
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Post by: Lazarou on October 23, 2017, 08:24:48 PM
Dyche being mentioned
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Post by: bigmanbob on October 23, 2017, 08:25:49 PM
We need someone who gets us, Koeman never did and I'd be worried that a foreign manager without prem experience wouldn't get us either
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Post by: BlueForYou on October 23, 2017, 08:26:14 PM
Everton or Leicester, Sean?
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Post by: brap2 on October 23, 2017, 08:26:29 PM
What is Joe Bloggs going to do with crap like Klassen, Williams and Sandro that Koeman did not do? Hey, I am the new boss and  I command want you to suddenly become PL standard players cos I tell you to?

Possibly what previous managers have, such as win silverware, or get 16 league goals out of them etc. etc.
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Post by: formerKHL on October 23, 2017, 08:28:29 PM
don't shoot the messenger...

i'm hearing fonseca ? (spelling)
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Audrey Horne on October 23, 2017, 08:29:03 PM
I want someone who loves the players, i want someone who wil get the players running through brick walls for them.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Lxxx on October 23, 2017, 08:30:00 PM
He might as well fuck off too, can anyone point to his achievements as coach ? Think he was only appointed because he was a so called legend and Koeman knew the fume he would get if he sacked him as well. Just my view mind you.

So how would sacking him solve anything if he doesn't do anything anyway.
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Post by: Escla on October 23, 2017, 08:30:10 PM
We need someone who gets us, Koeman never did and I'd be worried that a foreign manager without prem experience wouldn't get us either

Moyes gets us and with decent money to spend could work well, so he was ambitious and wanted to go to one of the biggest clubs in the world, who would turn it down ? So he wanted some of our players, every manager likes to take players he knows, big deal.
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Post by: blueski on October 23, 2017, 08:30:35 PM
probably something will be leaked by koeman or his agent to shed light on the goings on regarding player recruitment if he genuinely believes the club let him down by not delivering his targets - he will want to distance himself from the failure to try and get his next job in football
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Post by: Tinga on October 23, 2017, 08:30:42 PM
I want someone who loves the players, i want someone who wil get the players running through brick walls for them.

Hopefully not in the literal sense.
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Post by: Bluedylan on October 23, 2017, 08:30:52 PM
don't shoot the messenger...

i'm hearing fonseca ? (spelling)

Maybe it's time to take your meds again, and the voices might stop?
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Escla on October 23, 2017, 08:32:01 PM
Well it would free up his position and salary to bring in someone more effective, that's how it improves the situation, would have thought that was pretty obvious.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: bigmanbob on October 23, 2017, 08:32:04 PM
Moyes gets us and with decent money to spend could work well, so he was ambitious and wanted to go to one of the biggest clubs in the world, who would turn it down ? So he wanted some of our players, every manager likes to take players he knows, big deal.
Yes he totally got us, however I don't want someone who has been a mess at his last couple of clubs
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: BlueForYou on October 23, 2017, 08:32:23 PM
SWALK, eh Audrey?
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Post by: TheTone on October 23, 2017, 08:32:26 PM
probably something will be leaked by koeman or his agent to shed light on the goings on regarding player recruitment if he genuinely believes the club let him down by not delivering his targets - he will want to distance himself from the failure to try and get his next job in football

nailed on west ham
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on October 23, 2017, 08:33:25 PM
don't shoot the messenger...

i'm hearing fonseca ? (spelling)
Massively risky. I think the board will go for Dyche and heís probably the most realistic, responsible choice.

I understand the Ďbig timeí thinking by going after Ancelotti but heís used to having a world class squad. Heís not know for his pragmatism or Ďmaking doí.

We might not want to hear it but this season is about survival, not about long term aspirations.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: everton1952 on October 23, 2017, 08:33:50 PM
By the time you find out that Unsworth can't hack it we are too far gone to be saved, except by Big Sam who has to win the last 5 games to keep us up. You don't pass management of a big club like us to the likes of Unsworth, nice chap that I am sure he is.  Rabbit in the headlights? Or just another  Shakespeare we all feel sorry for a bit later. Think big, otherwise it could be 3 managers in one season.. 
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Lxxx on October 23, 2017, 08:33:56 PM
Moyes gets us and with decent money to spend could work well, so he was ambitious and wanted to go to one of the biggest clubs in the world, who would turn it down ? So he wanted some of our players, every manager likes to take players he knows, big deal.

Yeh I really loved his 'knife to a gunfight' mentality. Made me think he could really take us places.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Escla on October 23, 2017, 08:34:07 PM
Following Fergie wa a hospital pass as was taking on on already doomed Sunderland and zero cash, Spain is Spai, not every English manager will succed there.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Escla on October 23, 2017, 08:35:18 PM
Yeh I really loved his 'knife to a gunfight' mentality. Made me think he could really take us places.

How many of our other managers have taken us into the Champions league since it's inception ?
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Waltzer on October 23, 2017, 08:35:21 PM
If Moyes gets it Iím done. Such a backwards step, from someone who purposely let his contract expire to make himself more appealing to others. Heís not the answer.
Ancelotti
Silva
Howe

In that order
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Sixx1402 on October 23, 2017, 08:39:19 PM
Wow just seen it, got to say i'm surprised they pulled the trigger but i'm glad they did as we've looked dire

Ok first things first: He's the fall guy but its deffo not all his fault, he didn't get the centre forward he wanted or the other left sided defender he wanted so didn't have all the tools. That must be down to Walsh and/or the board.

But unfortunately even without those we shouldn't have been anywhere near as bad as we've been and that falls on him. I looks like the relentless pursuit of Sig was his call and that was a crazy transfer from start to finish - way too much to pay, after the signing of Rooney is didn't make much sense.

We were crying out for a goal scorer and some pace so why not go after those types instead of Sig. Made absolutely no sense to me at the time and doesn't now obviously.

The new guy will have a problem sorting out a system with this squad as some of these number 10's will have to be left out, you just can't play them all

Marco Silva for me, guy looks class but i doubt he'd leave so soon after joining Watford. I've got to say i've no idea who they'll go for but it will be an interesting few weeks.

Regardless of any of this we need to get back to basics and start getting some points on the board or we are going to really be in the shit
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Lxxx on October 23, 2017, 08:39:35 PM
Following Fergie wa a hospital pass as was taking on on already doomed Sunderland and zero cash, Spain is Spai, not every English manager will succed there.

I suppose every female journalist is bordering on slappable too, seeing as we're making every excuse for the man since he left.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Goaljira on October 23, 2017, 08:39:55 PM
How many of our other managers have taken us into the Champions league since it's inception ?

Technically Moyes didn't either.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Cassius on October 23, 2017, 08:41:56 PM
probably something will be leaked by koeman or his agent to shed light on the goings on regarding player recruitment if he genuinely believes the club let him down by not delivering his targets - he will want to distance himself from the failure to try and get his next job in football

Pretty sure he'll have signed a confidentiality agreement with his payoff to stop that from happening.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: blue slug on October 23, 2017, 08:42:08 PM
Ffs people aren't entertaining moyes returning are they
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: BlueBeagle on October 23, 2017, 08:42:26 PM
Technically Moyes didn't either.

Nothing technical about it, he didn't
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Martip on October 23, 2017, 08:42:34 PM
About time...only a no th too late as he has been treading water ! Onwards and upwards people.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: BlueForYou on October 23, 2017, 08:43:04 PM
Moyes didn't win a thing and still hasn't

If it's silverware you want, avoid at all costs

But depends on what you want
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Escla on October 23, 2017, 08:43:13 PM
I suppose every female journalist is bordering on slappable too, seeing as we're making every excuse for the man since he left.
Oh how righteous you are !
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 23, 2017, 08:43:35 PM
He got sacked in the (American) morning!
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Diamondj on October 23, 2017, 08:44:18 PM
Sorry as I thought he would bring experience to the club, but hard to integrate so many new players (and not all good buys) to a club at this level. Hoping for a quick and great replacement. 🤞
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: BlueBeagle on October 23, 2017, 08:44:40 PM
Let's nip all Ancelotti and Tuchel shouts in the bud early eh?

Everyone agreed? Good
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Mayor Farnum on October 23, 2017, 08:46:19 PM
The thing that delights me most about this decision, isn't so much that he has gone, but its the type of decisions BIG clubs make.

I mean this in the sense that none of the so called big 6 woulf have stoof for this if the same where to happen there.

Atleast Moshiri has the balls to make a decision like this. Kenwright would have been all loevy dovey again and Koeman would still be around.

The next appointment will be interesting.
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Although big clubs wouldn't replace him with Eddie Howe.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Bluedylan on October 23, 2017, 08:46:41 PM
No way will it be Moyes. Moshiri is an ambitious man. That's just lazy, hack journos and red shite wind-up merchants patting us on the head.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Waltzer on October 23, 2017, 08:47:34 PM
Let's nip all Ancelotti and Tuchel shouts in the bud early eh?

Everyone agreed? Good
No. Has to be the first point of call, Iíd rather ask, get turned down then go elsewhere rather than not ask the best 2 candidates on the market that are available
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Lxxx on October 23, 2017, 08:48:05 PM
No way will it be Moyes. Moshiri is an ambitious man. That's just lazy, hack journos and red shite wind-up merchants patting us on the head.

Moyes' agent will be passing a few lines to the media too, to remind everyone that his client actually still exists and is sat at home.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Waltzer on October 23, 2017, 08:49:32 PM
No way will it be Moyes. Moshiri is an ambitious man. That's just lazy, hack journos and red shite wind-up merchants patting us on the head.
Hope your right, although Iím still to be convinced about Moshiris ambition
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Bwana on October 23, 2017, 08:49:58 PM
David Moyes - fuck right off. Seriously if you are considering him you are basically saying you don't want success. Will he magically spring back to how he had us when he finished 4th with us in 04/05 like 13 years ago?or is it more likely he will be the total train wreck of a manager that he was in his last 3 jobs at Man United where he undid a legacy in about 8 months, sociedad where he bombed or Sunderland where he finally relegated a side who had managed to stay up doing the bare minimum for years?


I don't want him either but c'mon. He fucked it up in United, yes. The truth there was however that Sir Whisky-Nose wore out the group he inherited. The core players were old and had achieved everything. They weren't ready to take advice from a nobody, who made a biiig mistake when he got rid of Fergusson's backroom staff.

In Spain: Well, new league etc. That can happen. Sociedad didn't also have too many world beaters in the squad.

Sunderland: He, or any other manager in that seat, was doomed even before last season started. Sunderland's board had made it sure that time.

A football romantic in me would like to see him guide us to CL, win a cup or two... Then I woke up and let the cat out.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 23, 2017, 08:52:31 PM
Moyes' agent will be passing a few lines to the media too, to remind everyone that his client actually still exists and is sat at home.

He planted seeds in the media last time, and ended up with Sunderland (then took them down).

No reason to think that would INCREASE his standing in the football world.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on October 23, 2017, 08:52:58 PM
I donít think weíll appoint anyone until after the Chelsea game. Wouldnít be fair.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Waltzer on October 23, 2017, 08:53:08 PM
I don't want him either but c'mon. He fucked it up in United, yes. The truth there was however that Sir Whisky-Nose wore out the group he inherited. The core players were old and had achieved everything. They weren't ready to take advice from a nobody, who made a biiig mistake when he got rid of Fergusson's backroom staff.

In Spain: Well, new league etc. That can happen. Sociedad didn't also have too many world beaters in the squad.

Sunderland: He, or any other manager in that seat, was doomed even before last season started. Sunderland's board had made it sure that time.

A football romantic in me would like to see him guide us to CL, win a cup or two... Then I woke up and let the cat out.
The romantic in me would like to invite him for an interview then when he arrives donít let him in and shout out the window that it was a wind up!
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 23, 2017, 08:55:58 PM
who manages, then?  Bainesy?
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Sixx1402 on October 23, 2017, 08:57:43 PM
Unsy is caretaker manager with assistance from Royle, read it on Sky
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Lxxx on October 23, 2017, 08:57:56 PM
who manages, then?  Bainesy?

Unsworth. For the Chelsea game at least.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: MrWhite on October 23, 2017, 08:58:43 PM
Thank fuck. Needed to be done.

Now maybe we can actually move forward and the players can find some confidence?
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 23, 2017, 08:59:27 PM
gotcha, I thought you meant avoid even the caretaker role since Unsy was maybe under consideration.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: blargins on October 23, 2017, 09:01:36 PM
Unsy is caretaker manager with assistance from Royle, read it on Sky

He has a 100% record for us, hopefully it will continue.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Rodenplav64 on October 23, 2017, 09:01:59 PM
Fully justified and not in the slightest bit knee jerk . Has tried and failed to get a tune out of any team he has fielded this season . Need someone to come in and pretty quickly establish a style of play and stick with it and the same team or near as damn it week in week out until we are out of this mess . Unsworth and Ferguson in the short term can give the fans a bit a lift and would doubtless have the backing of the players . Start by sticking it on Chelsea .
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Mayor Farnum on October 23, 2017, 09:02:53 PM
Moyes won't be first choice but he may be fourth or fifth. And it may well come to that.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Fynci on October 23, 2017, 09:02:56 PM
Unsy is caretaker manager with assistance from Royle, read it on Sky

Wouldn't rush an appointment myself. We need to be wise with who comes in and I'd hope those two could at least steady the ship and pick a balanced side.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: MrWhite on October 23, 2017, 09:03:50 PM
Unsworth. For the Chelsea game at least.

Free hit. No-one expects us to go through anyway, so no harm done if we lose. If we win, they might hold fire on a new man and give Rhino some time, as long as we pick up some points they've got a month or two to find someone to spend money in January.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Bluedylan on October 23, 2017, 09:06:13 PM
I'm going to get fully behind Unsworth for now in the next couple of games, and look closely at the formation and shape of the team, who he's willing to pick and drop and what sort of reaction he gets from different players.

Worry about the long term after that.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: TheRam on October 23, 2017, 09:06:50 PM
https://twitter.com/stamp_1878/status/922455927256748032
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Jimmywhack on October 23, 2017, 09:07:42 PM
https://twitter.com/stamp_1878/status/922455927256748032
Ha ha
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: brap2 on October 23, 2017, 09:08:37 PM
Stamp on the wind up there
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: everton1952 on October 23, 2017, 09:08:39 PM
How can anyone suggest that we have any ambition if we pass the reigns to Unsworth? I have no clue who to go for, but other than the next two games  let us go for someone will some credibility. Unsworth can pick his wonderful U23 team if he likes and we are relegated by  February.  This is the big time we are in, not the Sunday league.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: sirblue57 on October 23, 2017, 09:09:02 PM
Ha ha

Laugh all you want. I got wood at the thought.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: brap2 on October 23, 2017, 09:09:28 PM
Why does unsworth need royle's assistance?
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: pjk on October 23, 2017, 09:09:55 PM
Wow! I'm so glad Moshiri and the board didn't hang around any longer than necessary. I hate to see people down and out but his inability to turn it around was there for all to see. We go again. :)
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: nsno on October 23, 2017, 09:10:24 PM
Behave, he is awful, remind me again why he got kicked out of the England job after 1 game?
Because he was fiddling with agents. Nothing to do with his ability to manage a squad of players. Let's be honest all managers are involved with fiddles with agents just look at mourinho and raiola. Big Sam was just targeted because he was england manager.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Bluedylan on October 23, 2017, 09:11:08 PM
Wow! I'm so glad Moshiri and the board didn't hang around any longer than necessary. I hate to see people down and out but his inability to turn it around was there for all to see. We go again. :)

Isn't 'we go again' a red shite thing?
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: D15TIN on October 23, 2017, 09:12:51 PM
Glad weve acted at the right time, Walsh & the players also need to take some of the blame  - I think it will improve from now though, expecting a response.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: pjk on October 23, 2017, 09:15:07 PM
Isn't 'we go again' a red shite thing?



Fuck off you! Nah! ;) I'm just relieved we're getting the chance pretty early to try and sort this mess out. Will remember not to use that term again. Relief just isn't in the script.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Audrey Horne on October 23, 2017, 09:15:15 PM
We go again. :)

*shudder*
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Macca77 on October 23, 2017, 09:15:36 PM
And so it begins

https://twitter.com/AgentMike_/status/922443744590249984
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: everton1952 on October 23, 2017, 09:17:46 PM
I'm going to get fully behind Unsworth for now in the next couple of games, and look closely at the formation and shape of the team, who he's willing to pick and drop and what sort of reaction he gets from different players.

Worry about the long term after that.
The long term is probably relegation unless we get a decent manager. It will take a very good one to get anything out of some of the dross we have before the transfer window opens.  I would verbally back Mickey Mouse in the job but we can't allow Mickey or even Unsworth to take us closer to relegation. 8 wins and 8 draws wanted to get 40 points.  Imagine any good players available from January saying ooh I want to play for David Unsworth?  He does a sound job with the U23s and feeds his family. Leave him there and don't tempt him into potential redundancy later.    Short term only, even if he won a game or two. Think big, not like Leicester City with Shakespeare.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: D15TIN on October 23, 2017, 09:17:52 PM
And so it begins

https://twitter.com/AgentMike_/status/922443744590249984
Personal opinion, at this moment in time Ancelotti would be a mistake I think, he wouldn't motivate these at the moment. I'd leave unsworth & royle in charge for the next few weeks and see how they get on- we need wins quickly
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: BlueBeagle on October 23, 2017, 09:19:37 PM
Personal opinion, at this moment in time Ancelotti would be a mistake I think, he wouldn't motivate these at the moment. I'd leave unsworth & royle in charge for the next few weeks and see how they get on- we need wins quickly

Not that we'd ever get him but you don't think a multiple time European cup winner, German league, Italian league (plus a shit load more honours) could motivate a fucking Everton team?

Really?
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: everton1952 on October 23, 2017, 09:21:05 PM
At least he is big time unlike some names mentioned on here.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Lincs Toffee on October 23, 2017, 09:21:19 PM
It will be interesting to see how the players attitude changes on the pitch and if there is any change in motivation and work rate in our next few matches, that will tell us a lot about Koeman and his relationship with the players.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Bluedylan on October 23, 2017, 09:21:30 PM
The long term is probably relegation unless we get a decent manager. It will take a very good one to get anything out of some of the dross we have before the transfer window opens.  I would verbally back Mickey Mouse in the job but we can't allow Mickey or even Unsworth to take us closer to relegation. 8 wins and 8 draws wanted to get 40 points.  Imagine any good players available from January saying ooh I want to play for David Unsworth?  He does a sound job with the U23s and feeds his family. Leave him there and don't tempt him into potential redundancy later.    Short term only, even if he won a game or two. Think big, not like Leicester City with Shakespeare.

Mate, you wanted to keep Koeman no matter how badly we played or how awful things became, so it's difficult to take your opinion on Unsworth or other managers too seriously.

And you've just called Sandro and Klaassen 'crap'. Crack on with your opinions, and I'll leave you to it.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Sir Stealth on October 23, 2017, 09:22:15 PM
I don't want him either but c'mon. He fucked it up in United, yes. The truth there was however that Sir Whisky-Nose wore out the group he inherited. The core players were old and had achieved everything. They weren't ready to take advice from a nobody, who made a biiig mistake when he got rid of Fergusson's backroom staff.

In Spain: Well, new league etc. That can happen. Sociedad didn't also have too many world beaters in the squad.

Sunderland: He, or any other manager in that seat, was doomed even before last season started. Sunderland's board had made it sure that time.

A football romantic in me would like to see him guide us to CL, win a cup or two... Then I woke up and let the cat out.

Still though do we go for someone who has failed massively in his last 3 jobs

No matter what he excuses he has, and those listed aren't good ones, we can do better

Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Jimmywhack on October 23, 2017, 09:23:19 PM
@Bally (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=19) My mate was speaking to a fella at the weekend who works for Wrexham FC

He said Koeman has an injunction out at the minute to do with him being caught with a prozzy in Ellesmere Port............ You were running with that weren't you??
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: kramer0 on October 23, 2017, 09:24:29 PM
The Bayern players didn't think they were training enough. They organized their own independent sessions. That is a red flag.

https://www.si.com/soccer/2017/10/02/bayern-munich-players-organised-secret-training-sessions-without-knowledge-carlo-ancelotti (https://www.si.com/soccer/2017/10/02/bayern-munich-players-organised-secret-training-sessions-without-knowledge-carlo-ancelotti)
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: D15TIN on October 23, 2017, 09:24:58 PM
Not that we'd ever get him but you don't think a multiple time European cup winner, German league, Italian league (plus a shit load more honours) could motivate a fucking Everton team?

Really?
Could Koeman? No. We need somebody whose gonna put some belief into these and who knows them and grind wins out, gotta question ancelottis motivation to come to Everton at this stage of his career- my guess would be solely £££, Tuchels different as he's young and got something to prove.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: BlueBeagle on October 23, 2017, 09:25:25 PM
@Bally (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=19) My mate was speaking to a fella at the weekend who works for Wrexham FC

He said Koeman has an injunction out at the minute to do with him being caught with a prozzy in Ellesmere Port............ You were running with that weren't you??

Pretty sure he won't be running with it now, if true, unless he fancies a turn in the dock
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: blue1948 on October 23, 2017, 09:26:10 PM
How can anyone suggest that we have any ambition if we pass the reigns to Unsworth? I have no clue who to go for, but other than the next two games  let us go for someone will some credibility. Unsworth can pick his wonderful U23 team if he likes and we are relegated by  February.  This is the big time we are in, not the Sunday league.
Has he had your bird ?? A little bit unfair methinks .
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: BlueBeagle on October 23, 2017, 09:26:44 PM
Could Koeman? No.

What's Koeman won as a manager?
As much as me... Fuck all.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: School of Science on October 23, 2017, 09:27:14 PM
Now get Barkley signed up

Well according to quite a few of our fans even posters on here alluded to it, Koeman was the main reason Barkley wanted to leave....Let's wait and see eh.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: everton1952 on October 23, 2017, 09:27:28 PM
Sandro and Klassen are crap. Don't you go to the games? In which game have you seen either in which they were other than crap? Koeman did not make them so. He or someone else dropped a clanger in signing them. Even Klassen writes an article which explains "why it is so difficult to play in the PL"
Yes I did not want massive disruption and wanted Koeman to turn it around, but am well aware there were no signs of it, and what has happened was inevitable. I have no opinion on Unsworth except he is not and has never been a football manager. Imagine one of the so-called big clubs turning their team over to a U23 coach? No, neither can I.  Two games only regardless.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Lxxx on October 23, 2017, 09:27:58 PM
What's Koeman won as a manager?
As much as me... Fuck all.

Pretty sure he won the dutch title didn't he.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: BlueBeagle on October 23, 2017, 09:28:34 PM
Pretty sure he won the dutch title didn't he.

So did Steve McClaren mate
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Lazarou on October 23, 2017, 09:29:06 PM
Well according to quite a few of our fans even posters on here alluded to it, Koeman was the main reason Barkley wanted to leave....Let's wait and see eh.

I am looking forward to see how that pans out. Could be the big indicator of our nosedive into the abyss. If he decides to stay now he has gone that is a massive fuck you to Koeman and his managerial style.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Lxxx on October 23, 2017, 09:29:25 PM
Well according to quite a few of our fans even posters on here alluded to it, Koeman was the main reason Barkley wanted to leave....Let's wait and see eh.

All depends on whether Spurs still want him. Most players would walk to WHL to play under Poch I would have thought.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: hill135 on October 23, 2017, 09:30:25 PM
Koeman might have been a bit of a biff to him behind the scenes but he wants to leave cos Spurs have been in his ear since before Ron arrived.

He ain't staying lads.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Tinga on October 23, 2017, 09:30:57 PM
oh hey..We can do that 'Porto guy' thing again with Fonseca.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Faceatthefence on October 23, 2017, 09:33:27 PM
I am looking forward to see how that pans out. Could be the big indicator of our nosedive into the abyss. If he decides to stay now he has gone that is a massive fuck you to Koeman and his managerial style.
Ross just pulled the splint from down his duds!
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Tony Clifton on October 23, 2017, 09:34:24 PM
Hope he didn't forget to pack his little pet "footballer", Cuco, this time.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: boothill on October 23, 2017, 09:36:55 PM
I think giving it to unsy for next few games is leaving us in good hands, to say he doesnt know the prem or hasnt got experience isnt at all fair, stepped in before, succesful with the u23s, so knows how to set a team up. Probably knows more about the opposition we face than most of the foriegn coaches mentioned. Give the guy a go till we know more about who is coming in
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: D15TIN on October 23, 2017, 09:37:40 PM
How can anyone suggest that we have any ambition if we pass the reigns to Unsworth? I have no clue who to go for, but other than the next two games  let us go for someone will some credibility. Unsworth can pick his wonderful U23 team if he likes and we are relegated by  February.  This is the big time we are in, not the Sunday league.
What good is it in the mess were in taking a manager who knows very little about the club & players, whats wrong with employing from within, could have a brilliant manager in unsworth - give him a shot for the next month or so and see how were doing.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Everton Mint on October 23, 2017, 09:38:02 PM
Koeman isnt a bad manager... his Soton spell and first season here showed that.

But the summer transfer window screwed everything, esp the 3 no.10's and not gettng a Lukaku replacement.

Whoever we get will have a job on.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: blueToffee on October 23, 2017, 09:38:29 PM
Koeman might have been a bit of a biff to him behind the scenes but he wants to leave cos Spurs have been in his ear since before Ron arrived.

He ain't staying lads.

It's a slim chance I'd agree. Especially since Spurs are killing it right now. Who'd not want to join them?

However, if we did get someone like Tuchel and we started to show a different mentality and Barkley was central to that again, mix in a huge offer and given we're his boyhood club there might be that desire to give it one more go.

Not holding my breath though.

Given our situation I think we'd be crazy to let him go in January though. We should at least see him finish up the season with us.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Lxxx on October 23, 2017, 09:43:47 PM
I will be hugely disappointed if I even see the words Cuco Martina ever again let alone see the lad in an Everton shirt.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Everton Mint on October 23, 2017, 09:44:36 PM
I love Unsy and he's done a great job with the U23's, but throwing him in in our current situation is a massive ask.

Someone like him could've come in after Moyes with us a strong team, but now isnt the time.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Sixx1402 on October 23, 2017, 09:46:12 PM
And so it begins

https://twitter.com/AgentMike_/status/922443744590249984

Oh my god please. Any of them would be great i reckon

Very unlikely though, Ancelotti and Tuchel both turned down approaches from Leicester i've heard

Are we a bigger draw? Hmmmm
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Major Clanger on October 23, 2017, 09:48:20 PM
I love Unsy and he's done a great job with the U23's, but throwing him in in our current situation is a massive ask.

Someone like him could've come in after Moyes with us a strong team, but now isnt the time.

On the other hand, coming in from an absolute car crash like the Koeman era makes things a lot easier too. We're so low now that if he sorts out the basics, fans will be happy, or at least stay onside. Whereas coming in after the relative success of Moyes and with elevated ambitions can be trickier to manage. But, as you say, it's easier in other respects because you start out with something that basically works.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on October 23, 2017, 09:51:08 PM
I did feel sorry for Martinez when he got sacked, I think he was genuinely gutted that he coudn' t make it a success, I think he proper loved the club too.
I don't feel sorry for Koeman at all (as harsh as that sounds), I think he's probably happy that it's been nipped in the bud and might not taint his CV too much.

Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Major Clanger on October 23, 2017, 09:52:00 PM
I did feel sorry for Martinez when he got sacked, I think he was genuinely gutted that he coudn' t make it a success, I think he proper loved the club too.
I don't feel sorry for Koeman at all (as harsh as that sounds), I think he's probably happy that it's been nipped in the bud and might not taint his CV too much.

I feel sorry for Erwin though. Will no-one think about Erwin?
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: pjk on October 23, 2017, 09:53:11 PM
Sandro and Klassen are crap. Don't you go to the games? In which game have you seen either in which they were other than crap? Koeman did not make them so. He or someone else dropped a clanger in signing them. Even Klassen writes an article which explains "why it is so difficult to play in the PL"
Yes I did not want massive disruption and wanted Koeman to turn it around, but am well aware there were no signs of it, and what has happened was inevitable. I have no opinion on Unsworth except he is not and has never been a football manager. Imagine one of the so-called big clubs turning their team over to a U23 coach? No, neither can I.  Two games only regardless.



Chelsea did it with Roberto Matteo (Assistant manager) and he won the Champions League.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on October 23, 2017, 09:53:28 PM
Not that we'd ever get him but you don't think a multiple time European cup winner, German league, Italian league (plus a shit load more honours) could motivate a fucking Everton team?

Really?
Heíd get the players respect - but does he know how to get a terrible, unbalanced team performing? Heís used to dealing with world-class players. Not evidence of him grinding out results with a Championship level attack.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: TheTone on October 23, 2017, 09:54:07 PM
I feel sorry for Erwin though. Will no-one think about Erwin?

Erwin Wednesday would be nice like
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Everton Mint on October 23, 2017, 09:57:03 PM
Radio Merseyside having discussion on Everton from 4pm and phone-in from 5.30 tonight.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on October 23, 2017, 10:08:04 PM
Radio Merseyside having discussion on Everton from 4pm and phone-in from 5.30 tonight.
That phone-in will be grim Ďwhyís no-one thrown Kevin Keeganís name in the hat?í. Phone-ins are a magnet for the deranged.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: christiffa25 on October 23, 2017, 10:10:13 PM
BREAKING !! Ross Barkley signs new contract.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: dunkster on October 23, 2017, 10:10:17 PM
Who's the guy in charge at Atalanta?.They played some fantastic pass and move football against us.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: D15TIN on October 23, 2017, 10:11:12 PM
Sandro and Klassen are crap. Don't you go to the games? In which game have you seen either in which they were other than crap? Koeman did not make them so. He or someone else dropped a clanger in signing them. Even Klassen writes an article which explains "why it is so difficult to play in the PL"
Yes I did not want massive disruption and wanted Koeman to turn it around, but am well aware there were no signs of it, and what has happened was inevitable. I have no opinion on Unsworth except he is not and has never been a football manager. Imagine one of the so-called big clubs turning their team over to a U23 coach? No, neither can I.  Two games only regardless.
Off the top of my head without even thinking - Barca do it constantly, Chelsea have done once, Real Madrid also.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: bigmanbob on October 23, 2017, 10:11:41 PM
Can't see why everyone is shouting for Silva, I don't think that'd be the most ambitious appointment. I like Dyche but I wonder what he'd be like with money to spend? I will not watch us if big fat Sam is manager
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: bigmanbob on October 23, 2017, 10:13:54 PM
13 pages and barely no mention about Walsh's role in all of this, he needs to go as well
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: bacon sarnie on October 23, 2017, 10:16:36 PM
New moon, new manager, new start. Fuckin ace news to wake up to this. Wahayyyy!

....and he can take some of the shite he signed with him to Barcelona, aye right.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: D15TIN on October 23, 2017, 10:16:39 PM
I think the one we could all get on board with is Tuchel
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Bluedylan on October 23, 2017, 10:16:45 PM
13 pages and barely no mention about Walsh's role in all of this, he needs to go as well

Koeman signed off every transfer mate. Walsh wanted Belfodil and Koeman didn't and we didn't sign him.

Koeman chased Klaassen, Rooney, Gylfi. Walsh clearly had a role but the buck stops with the arrogant, self absorbed Dutchman.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: boothill on October 23, 2017, 10:18:25 PM
Who's the guy in charge at Atalanta?.They played some fantastic pass and move football against us.
Every manager has shagged us this season, well almost
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: bigmanbob on October 23, 2017, 10:19:32 PM
Koeman signed off every transfer mate. Walsh wanted Belfodil and Koeman didn't and we didn't sign him.

Koeman chased Klaassen, Rooney, Gylfi. Walsh clearly had a role but the buck stops with the arrogant, self absorbed Dutchman.
Agreed that the buck stops with Koeman he was the manager, however (and I stand to be corrected on this) I thought the deal was Walsh recommended a player and Koeman then had the final say? Well if all he could come up with was 15 no 10's he can do one too
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Waltzer on October 23, 2017, 10:23:49 PM
Genuine question but who is Unsworth up against, Iím assuming there arenít the Peps and Jose of under 23 level (I genuinely donít know) that heís out thinking? I just thinking leaving our premiership future in the hands of such little experience is dangerous, short term fine, but no more than a couple of games regardless of results
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Waltzer on October 23, 2017, 10:25:08 PM
Agreed that the buck stops with Koeman he was the manager, however (and I stand to be corrected on this) I thought the deal was Walsh recommended a player and Koeman then had the final say? Well if all he could come up with was 15 no 10's he can do one too
If Walsh doesnít go to then there is something wrong with our board. He is just, if not more, culpable than Koeman
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Major Clanger on October 23, 2017, 10:29:24 PM
Agreed that the buck stops with Koeman he was the manager, however (and I stand to be corrected on this) I thought the deal was Walsh recommended a player and Koeman then had the final say? Well if all he could come up with was 15 no 10's he can do one too

That's the theory but the practice can work out in many different ways, and we don't really know what the actual dynamic had been between Koeman and Walsh.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: christiffa25 on October 23, 2017, 10:30:23 PM
If Walsh doesnít go to then there is something wrong with our board. He is just, if not more, culpable than Koeman

All depends who the new manager is going to be. Someone who wants Walsh or not.

I'm pretty sure definitely schnierdlin Martina, klassen, gylfi were all koemans doing. Probably Rooney too. So bit harsh to throw onto Walsh.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Waltzer on October 23, 2017, 10:32:58 PM
All depends who the new manager is going to be. Someone who wants Walsh or not.

I'm pretty sure definitely schnierdlin Martina, klassen, gylfi were all koemans doing. Probably Rooney too. So bit harsh to throw onto Walsh.
Walsh is DoF the buck should stop with him, especially the no striker issue which is our number 1 issue
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Robioto on October 23, 2017, 10:37:02 PM
What is Joe Bloggs going to do with crap like Klassen, Williams and Sandro that Koeman did not do? Hey, I am the new boss and  I command want you to suddenly become PL standard players cos I tell you to?

They will hopefully have an arm around them and be coached and mentored to build their confidence back up. The job a manager should do and a job that evidence suggests Koeman didn't do.

They aren't bad players.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 23, 2017, 10:39:06 PM
it was obvious Walsh and Koeman didn't see eye to eye, doesn't mean Walsh is blameless mind
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Normm on October 23, 2017, 10:45:15 PM
I would just like to thank Arsen Wenger and Arsenal FC for helping to end our nightmare.  :woohoo:
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: colin on October 23, 2017, 10:48:25 PM
I think the one we could all get on board with is Tuchel

I'd be happy with that.  Rumors of the Dortmund players not getting along with him makes me nervous though.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: The Analog Kid on October 23, 2017, 10:48:44 PM
I would just like to thank Arsen Wenger and Arsenal FC for helping to end our nightmare.  :woohoo:

Fuck celebrating getting tanked 5-2 at home.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Lxxx on October 23, 2017, 10:52:14 PM
Who's the guy in charge at Atalanta?.They played some fantastic pass and move football against us.

So did Burnley, Brighton, Apollon Limassol, Bournemouth.... A team's ability to make us look shite this season isn't necessarily reflective of their managerial quality.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Rodenplav64 on October 23, 2017, 11:01:25 PM
Pretty sure he won the dutch title didn't he.

So could you some seasons .
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: blob on October 23, 2017, 11:01:45 PM
who's going to leave a decent job for this mess?

prepare for another stop-gap journeyman :(
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Normm on October 23, 2017, 11:01:59 PM
Fuck celebrating getting tanked 5-2 at home.

I'm celebrating the outcome Kid. Aren't you?
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: BlueForYou on October 23, 2017, 11:03:11 PM
That City manager must be rubbish - Koudn't beat us on his own muck heap
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Heisenberg on October 23, 2017, 11:04:24 PM
Unsworth safe bet for now as fans will give him time to steady the ship (which I think he will)
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Django on October 23, 2017, 11:07:36 PM
Really, really fear for the long term with Everton.

There's a lot more wrong at the club than just ham-hock face. I'm glad to see the back of the graceless twat but I'm worried.

The way Moshiri deals with us and the seeming reluctance to change the people dealing with the tranfers is massively worrying. I fear that if the next appointment isn't the right fit we could find ourselves in Sunderland style trouble in the next few years.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: BlueForYou on October 23, 2017, 11:11:20 PM
And all this "has to understand the club" business

Newcastle fans have been saying that since world war 2 - Keegan and Shearer understood it...........................
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Lazarou on October 23, 2017, 11:14:44 PM
Really, really fear for the long term with Everton.

There's a lot more wrong at the club than just ham-hock face. I'm glad to see the back of the graceless twat but I'm worried.

The way Moshiri deals with us and the seeming reluctance to change the people dealing with the tranfers is massively worrying. I fear that if the next appointment isn't the right fit we could find ourselves in Sunderland style trouble in the next few years.

Don't ruin the fucking day  ;)
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Rodenplav64 on October 23, 2017, 11:14:48 PM
Everyone was lauding the signings a few weeks ago . The problem is the shape shifting and ever changing line ups every single game . They need organising first and foremost and knowing you will play 2 games in a row in a position you are comfortable with helps . Just look how Davies has been used so far this season . We need to go 4-4-2 and stick with it so they players are comfortable with their roles and confidence will grow . The gaps all over the pitch yesterday were unbelievable and Arsenal didn't even need to play that well . Oh and practice corners .
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Heisenberg on October 23, 2017, 11:15:11 PM
And all this "has to understand the club" business

Newcastle fans have been saying that since world war 2 - Keegan and Shearer understood it...........................


No but there has to be some bond between the manager fans and club. It's why Martinez was given much more opportunities to redeem himself. There was litterally nobody behind Koeman. It's all well being cold and distant when things are going well but it doesn't work when it goes bad
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Waltzer on October 23, 2017, 11:16:30 PM
Unsworth safe bet for now as fans will give him time to steady the ship (which I think he will)
Were in the bottom 3 if you havenít noticed, thereís no time to steady the ship
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Lxxx on October 23, 2017, 11:18:00 PM
Really, really fear for the long term with Everton.

There's a lot more wrong at the club than just ham-hock face. I'm glad to see the back of the graceless twat but I'm worried.


Really?? Are you serious?
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on October 23, 2017, 11:19:05 PM
Koeman signed off every transfer mate. Walsh wanted Belfodil and Koeman didn't and we didn't sign him.

Koeman chased Klaassen, Rooney, Gylfi. Walsh clearly had a role but the buck stops with the arrogant, self absorbed Dutchman.
Agree to an extent but youíre basically saying he had free reign to do whatever he wanted - someone had to manage the manager.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: BlueForYou on October 23, 2017, 11:22:14 PM
Oh well - disappointing

How many more frogs are we gonna kiss before we find our prince?


Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on October 23, 2017, 11:23:15 PM
And all this "has to understand the club" business

Newcastle fans have been saying that since world war 2 - Keegan and Shearer understood it...........................
Agree that this. Couldnít give a shit as long as we win. Suppose it would make it a bit sweeter to win stuff with someone like Unsworth in charge but itíd also break my heart to hear people calling him a cunt, after a loss.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: BlueForYou on October 23, 2017, 11:27:29 PM
Broke my heart when we sacked Harvey

Fixed my heart when Kendall brought him back!
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: plumber on October 23, 2017, 11:30:14 PM


No but there has to be some bond between the manager fans and club. It's why Martinez was given much more opportunities to redeem himself. There was litterally nobody behind Koeman. It's all well being cold and distant when things are going well but it doesn't work when it goes bad

If "being one of us" and "understanding the club" is the obstacle to sack an inept manager, I would rather take someone who doesn't understand the club.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on October 23, 2017, 11:34:00 PM
https://twitter.com/Coral/status/922450406806052864
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Simon Paul on October 23, 2017, 11:36:36 PM
well that's the shortest boycott ever!

handed my season ticket to a steward on the way out yesterday after Arsenal's fourth and said I wouldn't be back until Koeman is sacked...
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Confucius on October 23, 2017, 11:38:22 PM
well that's the shortest boycott ever!

handed my season ticket to a steward on the way out yesterday after Arsenal's fourth and said I wouldn't be back until Koeman is sacked...

HAHA. Steward probably took the ticket to Moshiri. he reckoned if Simon isn't coming something has to be done.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Toffee1 on October 23, 2017, 11:40:39 PM
HAHA. Steward probably took the ticket to Moshiri. he reckoned if Simon isn't coming something has to be done.

Wonder if he would have started such a conversation with Mr Moshiri "Simon says...".
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: GoodisonPk on October 23, 2017, 11:43:16 PM
This is a good day. Buy a striker play the players in the right positions and we can finish 10th.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on October 23, 2017, 11:47:04 PM
well that's the shortest boycott ever!

handed my season ticket to a steward on the way out yesterday after Arsenal's fourth and said I wouldn't be back until Koeman is sacked...
Kopite behaviour
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on October 23, 2017, 11:49:22 PM
Kopite behaviour

Only if you burn the shirt as well.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: blargins on October 23, 2017, 11:54:29 PM
Only if you burn the shirt as well.

And take the knee during Z-Cars.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: bluenuck on October 24, 2017, 12:03:09 AM
Had to happen. We're going backwards, and fast.

I think there's more that we should be worried about though, but ultimately Koeman is the man responsible for getting results and they were getting worse and worse each time we played.

Not happy we are going to have our 3rd manager in 18 months. Figure it out!!
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: jtran10 on October 24, 2017, 12:16:11 AM
It's my birthday...happy birthday to me!!
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Rodenplav64 on October 24, 2017, 12:25:31 AM
And nobody had to hire a plane .
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Simon Paul on October 24, 2017, 12:26:45 AM
And nobody had to hire a plane .


we offered Arsenal a half-half deal as a joke

does that count?
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Macca77 on October 24, 2017, 12:35:15 AM
Fucking love twitter

https://twitter.com/scouseandblue/status/922503724723032065

https://twitter.com/Tony_Scott11/status/922495781558464512
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: blueski on October 24, 2017, 12:38:57 AM
Pretty sure he'll have signed a confidentiality agreement with his payoff to stop that from happening.
won't be from him if it does occur

"a source inside the club" etc
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Everton Mint on October 24, 2017, 12:39:20 AM
OK so Koeman untimately signed them, but Walsh has a lot to answer for in recruitment.

I never liked Walsh when he arrived... think he'd bought into his own sudden fame too much.

And as an old guy wtf had he done the previous 30 years before he found Vardy ??
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: American Evertonian on October 24, 2017, 12:40:53 AM
The thing that makes this a little worse is that we paid so much for Koeman's number one target and our new manager may not even end up rating him...
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on October 24, 2017, 12:46:03 AM
Fair play to Ross Barkley, he's played a fuckin blinder here.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Confucius on October 24, 2017, 12:47:59 AM
Fair play to Ross Barkley, he's played a fuckin blinder here.

Was thinking the same. not as dumb as he looks
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: boothill on October 24, 2017, 12:51:31 AM
Made me chuckle
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on October 24, 2017, 12:53:08 AM
Fair play to Ross Barkley, he's played a fuckin blinder here.
Nostradamus.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on October 24, 2017, 12:53:17 AM
Would love Ross to come out now and sign a new deal , even if he has acted like a bit of a bell,     said ages ago Ron could be gone before Ross,   i also said the same about Pep and Joe Hart but don't think that will happen.

Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Gash on October 24, 2017, 12:56:41 AM
The whole hierarchy at the club need to take a look at themselves. It's all very well laying all the blame on Koeman and he deserves a lot of it, but we've got a majority shareholder, chairman, chief executive, director of football etc and they should all shoulder some of the blame for the mess over the last 18-24 months, starting right back when we held on to Martinez for too long.

Moshiri's making all the right moves off the pitch, new ground, record sponsorship deals, clearing debt etc but on the pitch it's all been a bit of a mess and he comes across as almost a little naive. Koeman was a fairly 'safe' if uninspiring appointment and we even managed to drag that out. His first couple of window's weren't great then having started well with this summer's window they went on to make an absolute mess of it and failed in their biggest objective, replacing Lukaku or at least getting someone of a decent pedigree in. That's before we go down the route of all his stupid conversations with Jim White, the biggest attention seeking bellend on Sky who's absolutely lapping it up.

We got Walsh in, who as far as I was aware the manager answers to the DOF yet none of them had the bollocks to walk away from the Sigurdsson deal even though it was becoming clear that we were about to get out pants pulled down to get him and we were still woefully short up front. I've no idea what Steve Walsh even does (scouting trip to Italy proved fruitful) but it's beginning to look increasingly like the story that he discovered Mahrez and Kante (I'm not even sure he did) and Leicester's league win has elevated him to a position beyond that of his abilities.

Koeman's rightfully gone and not many tears will be shed but there's a hell of a lot of lessons need learned over the last 18-20 months, I just hope they can as this is now a massive appointment for the club, two managers sacked in 18 months, we can ill afford to fuck this one up as well. 
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on October 24, 2017, 12:57:55 AM
Rosstradamus.


Fixed it for you.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Macca77 on October 24, 2017, 01:00:09 AM
Peter Reid's on form tonight

https://twitter.com/reid6peter/status/922521777154285573
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: ally2 on October 24, 2017, 01:01:47 AM
Thank fuck. I'll be reveling in it big time.

That's cos you're an idiot
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: BlueBeagle on October 24, 2017, 01:04:30 AM
Wonder how safe Walsh's job is?
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: boothill on October 24, 2017, 01:05:31 AM
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Bluedylan on October 24, 2017, 01:08:19 AM
That's cos you're an idiot

x
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on October 24, 2017, 01:09:05 AM
As Jim says "director of football..My Arse".......fuck it off
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 24, 2017, 01:09:15 AM
The thing that makes this a little worse is that we paid so much for Koeman's number one target and our new manager may not even end up rating him...

More likely Rooney is quietly moved aside (or used as an impact sub), if you ask me.  Sigurdsson is generally a well-regarded player, and he'll be used properly by the new manager, I'd bet.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Simon Paul on October 24, 2017, 01:09:19 AM
Said it ages ago and got shot down about Ross waiting for Koeman to go before signing a new deal.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: montanatoffeefan on October 24, 2017, 01:10:40 AM
Just seen a statement posted on fb from the club

I expect to see this post again in the 'Most Liked Messages of the Week' thread.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Juanito on October 24, 2017, 01:11:15 AM
If Walsh doesnít go to then there is something wrong with our board. He is just, if not more, culpable than Koeman

Yes, 70 million for Klaassen and Sigurdsson. Shrewd purchases that needed a top class director of football who can unveil hidden gems in the European transfer market.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Rodenplav64 on October 24, 2017, 01:12:40 AM
More likely Rooney is quietly moved aside (or used as an impact sub), if you ask me.  Sigurdsson is generally a well-regarded player, and he'll be used properly by the new manager, I'd bet.

We would be even more in the shit without Rooney .
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: montanatoffeefan on October 24, 2017, 01:14:20 AM
The whole hierarchy at the club need to take a look at themselves. It's all very well laying all the blame on Koeman and he deserves a lot of it, but we've got a majority shareholder, chairman, chief executive, director of football etc and they should all shoulder some of the blame for the mess over the last 18-24 months, starting right back when we held on to Martinez for too long.

Moshiri's making all the right moves off the pitch, new ground, record sponsorship deals, clearing debt etc but on the pitch it's all been a bit of a mess and he comes across as almost a little naive. Koeman was a fairly 'safe' if uninspiring appointment and we even managed to drag that out. His first couple of window's weren't great then having started well with this summer's window they went on to make an absolute mess of it and failed in their biggest objective, replacing Lukaku or at least getting someone of a decent pedigree in. That's before we go down the route of all his stupid conversations with Jim White, the biggest attention seeking bellend on Sky who's absolutely lapping it up.

We got Walsh in, who as far as I was aware the manager answers to the DOF yet none of them had the bollocks to walk away from the Sigurdsson deal even though it was becoming clear that we were about to get out pants pulled down to get him and we were still woefully short up front. I've no idea what Steve Walsh even does (scouting trip to Italy proved fruitful) but it's beginning to look increasingly like the story that he discovered Mahrez and Kante (I'm not even sure he did) and Leicester's league win has elevated him to a position beyond that of his abilities.

Koeman's rightfully gone and not many tears will be shed but there's a hell of a lot of lessons need learned over the last 18-20 months, I just hope they can as this is now a massive appointment for the club, two managers sacked in 18 months, we can ill afford to fuck this one up as well. 

It's all quite strange and maybe someday we'll hear Koeman's side of the sad tale.

It's hard to imagine how he got this bad as a manager so fast...without some "help" from above.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on October 24, 2017, 01:14:27 AM
Fair play to Ross Barkley, he's played a fuckin blinder here.
Heís still a fucking scab
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Simon Paul on October 24, 2017, 01:18:18 AM
The Echo going wild with the "he never got us" stuff.  Fancy that.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Mayor Farnum on October 24, 2017, 01:18:57 AM
Ancelotti is not going to get involved in a five year plan at this stage of his career. He takes on top clubs for a couple of years at a time and oversees their continued success.

The only thing we can offer him that his former clubs can't is Tuesday and Wednesday evenings off.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: BlueForYou on October 24, 2017, 01:21:03 AM
First interview question -

"Do you get us?"
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: D_murph0278 on October 24, 2017, 01:21:14 AM
Heís still a fucking scab

And the reason he probably wants to fuck off and leave is cos of the likes of you coming out with shit like that.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Major Clanger on October 24, 2017, 01:21:24 AM
Yes, 70 million for Klaassen and Sigurdsson. Shrewd purchases that needed a top class director of football who can unveil hidden gems in the European transfer market.

Both obvious Koeman buys.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Waltzer on October 24, 2017, 01:23:18 AM
Both obvious Koeman buys.
That's am even more damming assessment of Walsh. Your basically saying Koeman took the piss and walked over him regardless
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: BlueForYou on October 24, 2017, 01:24:04 AM
First interview answer -

"Not as much as Roberto but more than Ronald"

Keep a happy medium
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: D_murph0278 on October 24, 2017, 01:26:30 AM
That's am even more damming assessment of Walsh. Your basically saying Koeman took the piss and walked over him regardless

Bullshit. Koeman has the final say on his team and transfers. A fair few will be down to Walsh, who he will have recommended them to Koeman and got the nod of approval from him, but Klassen and Sigurdsson are clearly Koemans idea.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 24, 2017, 01:28:48 AM
Walsh has to answer for the glaring lack of CB depth and LB cover.  The rest I think is indeed to pin at least 80% of the blame on Koeman.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Bluedylan on October 24, 2017, 01:30:48 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2017/oct/23/ronald-koemans-everton-sacking

Quote
Almost £70m was spent on Sigurdsson and Davy Klaassen at Koemanís insistence. Both have made anonymous starts. Rooney, Sigurdsson and Klaassen prefer to operate in a central role and the former managerís thinking was clouded as he persisted with two, sometimes all three, in his starting lineup with predictably ponderous results.

Koeman admitted only on Friday: ďWhat is the best formation? What is the best striker with Wayne, Sigurdsson, Klaassen? We struggled at the beginning to get the right formation and that makes it difficult. Then not good results and that brings us back to the lack of confidence.Ē Six weeks and £45m were spent prising the Iceland international from Swansea City.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: blargins on October 24, 2017, 01:33:41 AM
And now we probably will have Barkley staying if he's in the new manager's plans.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Waltzer on October 24, 2017, 01:35:19 AM

Bullshit. Koeman has the final say on his team and transfers. A fair few will be down to Walsh, who he will have recommended them to Koeman and got the nod of approval from him, but Klassen and Sigurdsson are clearly Koemans idea.
I'm not going over old ground again but as DoF it's his responsibility. It's him that should be saying NO if he doesn't think it's right, that is his job!
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Major Clanger on October 24, 2017, 01:35:27 AM
That's am even more damming assessment of Walsh. Your basically saying Koeman took the piss and walked over him regardless

That's a damning assessment of the board for not backing Walsh. All of his authority must stem from the board, it's not enough to just put a guy in place.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 24, 2017, 01:35:39 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2017/oct/23/ronald-koemans-everton-sacking


Good read, thanks.  They take their time, but get it right.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Macca77 on October 24, 2017, 01:36:23 AM
And now we probably will have Barkley staying if he's in the new manager's plans.

Will be like a new signing
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Waltzer on October 24, 2017, 01:38:37 AM
That's a damning assessment of the board for not backing Walsh. All of his authority must stem from the board, it's not enough to just put a guy in place.
could well be right. The things which we have always done wrong are still being done wrong and crazily by the same individuals. The problems at Everton lie much deeper than the manager
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Bluedylan on October 24, 2017, 01:39:36 AM
Good read, thanks.  They take their time, but get it right.

They've covered it at the time in great detail. This is Andy Hunter's own opinion piece after the dust has settled.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 24, 2017, 01:40:06 AM
That's a damning assessment of the board for not backing Walsh. All of his authority must stem from the board, it's not enough to just put a guy in place.

It's the first time we've had this arrangement and we clearly failed to demarcate clear lines of authority (and, for that matter, make sure DoF and manager can work constructively together).  We need to learn from that, and quickly.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 24, 2017, 01:41:34 AM
They've covered it at the time in great detail. This is Andy Hunter's own opinion piece after the dust has settled.

I just always think of them as the more reasoned folk!  With politics, too.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Macca77 on October 24, 2017, 01:43:14 AM
Fucking hell  lolol

https://twitter.com/paulcharleskerr/status/922527347378737153
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: angus1878 on October 24, 2017, 01:44:05 AM
KOEMAN pictured in manchester AFTER losing to arsenal

https://ibb.co/ndcHfm
https://ibb.co/d9816R
https://ibb.co/h2E8mR
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: colin on October 24, 2017, 01:44:35 AM
So essentially Walsh is just a scout with a Director of Football title and salary?
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Mayor Farnum on October 24, 2017, 01:50:58 AM
If he is DoF I assume he will have a big say in the appointment of the next manager.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Deano Blue Boy on October 24, 2017, 01:53:30 AM
KOEMAN pictured in manchester AFTER losing to arsenal

https://ibb.co/ndcHfm
https://ibb.co/d9816R
https://ibb.co/h2E8mR

I'm not outraged by this - he is entitled to have a life.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Major Clanger on October 24, 2017, 01:55:00 AM
could well be right. The things which we have always done wrong are still being done wrong and crazily by the same individuals. The problems at Everton lie much deeper than the manager

I agree.

This really is a crucial part of having a DoF, which I talked about when we appointed Walsh. It must be an integral part of how the club's doing business, and both the manager (or head coach) and the DoF must know what their responsibilities are and how not to tread on each other's toes. A DoF buying players whether the manager wants them or not is just as useless as one that yields to every request. It's very tricky to get it right and we obviously didn't.

Whether Walsh is the right man for the job is yet to be seen though.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on October 24, 2017, 02:01:23 AM
Said it ages ago and got shot down about Ross waiting for Koeman to go before signing a new deal.

He hasnít signed yet.......
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: blob on October 24, 2017, 02:02:16 AM
I agree.

This really is a crucial part of having a DoF, which I talked about when we appointed Walsh. It must be an integral part of how the club's doing business, and both the manager (or head coach) and the DoF must know what their responsibilities are and how not to tread on each other's toes. A DoF buying players whether the manager wants them or not is just as useless as one that yields to every request. It's very tricky to get it right and we obviously didn't.

Whether Walsh is the right man for the job is yet to be seen though.

'toe treading' is inevitable.

the left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing is never the way forward.

no idea how this can be resolved without upsetting one or the other...
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on October 24, 2017, 02:04:06 AM
Is there an example of a DOF working anywhere? I know it's not like me but i'm really cynical about it.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: pjk on October 24, 2017, 02:04:35 AM
Poetic justice.




https://twitter.com/RBMersey/status/922484163927773184
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Major Clanger on October 24, 2017, 02:06:33 AM
'toe treading' is inevitable.

the left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing is never the way forward.

no idea how this can be resolved without upsetting one or the other...

Well, the theory is that DoF is there for the long term, and the head coach is responsible for the short term. Ideally the DoF is part of the club's brickwork, a well-respected ex-player or something similar. They should also constantly talk to each other. It's fine to disagree but when they finish their discussion, they should do so with a clear decision.

That's the theory.

In practice if it isn't part of the whole culture of the club (like it is in most German clubs), it usually fails miserably.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 24, 2017, 02:11:48 AM
Well, the theory is that DoF is there for the long term, and the head coach is responsible for the short term. Ideally the DoF is part of the club's brickwork, a well-respected ex-player or something similar. They should also constantly talk to each other. It's fine to disagree but when they finish their discussion, they should do so with a clear decision.

That's the theory.

In practice if it isn't part of the whole culture of the club (like it is in most German clubs), it usually fails miserably.

But eventually, won't it be part of the culture everywhere?  It's too much responsibility for the manager to carry (and do so competently) in the modern game.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on October 24, 2017, 02:12:02 AM

And the reason he probably wants to fuck off and leave is cos of the likes of you coming out with shit like that.
No, he wants to leave because he doesnít get us...
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on October 24, 2017, 02:14:14 AM

Bullshit. Koeman has the final say on his team and transfers. A fair few will be down to Walsh, who he will have recommended them to Koeman and got the nod of approval from him, but Klassen and Sigurdsson are clearly Koemans idea.
And only having one LB at the club was whoís idea?
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Major Clanger on October 24, 2017, 02:15:00 AM
But eventually, won't it be part of the culture everywhere?  It's too much responsibility for the manager to carry (and do so competently) in the modern game.

I don't know. We've got better technology now and scouts can do things that even ten years ago would've been seen as science fiction. Maybe automation and algorithms is the answer. (Though I personally hope not.) Maybe managers could be successful by staying hands-on with recruitment and delegating more of the coaching and preparation work. (Ferguson did this pretty well.)

I genuinely have no idea.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Major Clanger on October 24, 2017, 02:16:09 AM
Is there an example of a DOF working anywhere? I know it's not like me but i'm really cynical about it.

Barcelona with Txiki Begiristain, or the entire Bundesliga.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on October 24, 2017, 02:18:17 AM
That's a damning assessment of the board for not backing Walsh. All of his authority must stem from the board, it's not enough to just put a guy in place.
Sounds like Walsh is the worldís most expensive chief scout. Hardly has the authority or profile of a genuine DoF like Monchi.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: D_murph0278 on October 24, 2017, 02:19:13 AM
And only having one LB at the club was whoís idea?

Both.... Koeman for letting Galloway go on loan and Walsh for not getting one in.... assuming Koeman asked him for one. Saying that, they were probably too pre-occupied with Sigurdsson and his agent for 2 months.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Lxxx on October 24, 2017, 02:20:27 AM
I think there is a role for a DoF, in theory it makes perfect sense. You donít want to keep emptying the knowledge bank every time you change your managerial appointment and he takes all his staff with him.
You need some continuity to gel everything together in the modern game.

The key is finding a good, experienced guy with the people skills to work with a variety of managerís from probably a variety of cultures. He also needs the trust and backing of the board.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on October 24, 2017, 02:22:41 AM
Barcelona with Txiki Begiristain, or the entire Bundesliga.
Think they must be more civilised and more diplomatic, it always seems to be strife over here.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Mayor Farnum on October 24, 2017, 02:23:58 AM
It is difficult for clubs lower down the league to get the best out of a DoF. If you are a rich club at the top of your game and recruitment is mostly cherry-picking the best players from around the world the position takes pressure of the coach and lets him prioritise the first team.

If you are on a budget and have to make decisions about players of similar abilities and sacrifice one player to sign another there will be more of a chance of conflict.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Jimmywhack on October 24, 2017, 02:24:09 AM

Both.... Koeman for letting Galloway go on loan and Walsh for not getting one in.... assuming Koeman asked him for one. Saying that, they were probably too pre-occupied with Sigurdsson and his agent for 2 months.
Think he let Galloway go cos he isn't good enough
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: D_murph0278 on October 24, 2017, 02:24:45 AM
Think he let Galloway go cos he isn't good enough

But Martina was......
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Ih8redshite on October 24, 2017, 02:26:25 AM
Iím looking forward to the Chelsea game now. Havenít felt like that for too long now. I am not the only one, so just for that Koeman deserved to go. Iím very optimistic for the future now, I hope Unsworth gets the job till atleast Xmas. Can see the positive vibe emanate throughout the whole club now. Players who havenít been performing hopefully will get a new lease of life and we will move up the table rapidly. I even fancy us against Chelsea. Unsy gets the club from all angles and his knowledge of the under 23s will help us too. COYFBB
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Bluedylan on October 24, 2017, 02:26:50 AM
Think they must be more civilised and more diplomatic, it always seems to be strife over here.

Southampton.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: D_murph0278 on October 24, 2017, 02:30:19 AM
Iím looking forward to the Chelsea game now. Havenít felt like that for too long now. I am not the only one, so just for that Koeman deserved to go. Iím very optimistic for the future now, I hope Unsworth gets the job till atleast Xmas. Can see the positive vibe emanate throughout the whole club now. Players who havenít been performing hopefully will get a new lease of life and we will move up the table rapidly. I even fancy us against Chelsea. Unsy gets the club from all angles and his knowledge of the under 23s will help us too. COYFBB

He's got a twat of a start though.... Chelsea, Leicester and Lyon all away.
We need to be realistic. We could easily be out of 2 cup competitions and still in the bottom 3 by the time we open our advent calendar's..... but thats not his doing. I hope the crowd stick with him through it. I hope he proves his worth.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on October 24, 2017, 02:33:17 AM
Unsworth for me as well,got to be in house for a bit, unless the Mosh has a biggie lined up.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Ih8redshite on October 24, 2017, 02:40:39 AM

He's got a twat of a start though.... Chelsea, Leicester and Lyon all away.
We need to be realistic. We could easily be out of 2 cup competitions and still in the bottom 3 by the time we open our advent calendar's..... but thats not his doing. I hope the crowd stick with him through it. I hope he proves his worth.

Realistically looking at it is hard to do. I canít see unsy playing the players in the same way as Koeman. So the only way to look at it is optimistically. N thatís the first time in a long time Iíve felt like that about our club. Feel like a weights off, maybe the players will feel the same way too
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: blue slug on October 24, 2017, 02:41:37 AM
Unsworth definitely my choice even if for the short term, rather that than rush in and get the wrong man for the job
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Ramjam on October 24, 2017, 02:42:10 AM
Unsey to steady the ship in the short term then we have 3 new signings within the next 6 to 8 weeks, Coleman, Bolasie and Barkley to give us the shot in the arm we so badly need. Not all doom and gloom now fellas, we have cut out the cancer now the healing process can begin. COYB
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: BlueForYou on October 24, 2017, 02:43:57 AM
Scenario for new manager after first three games -

Out of the League Cup

Bottom two

Out of the Europa Cup

That bloody Koeman
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: terrydarracotsbaldpate on October 24, 2017, 02:51:47 AM

Both.... Koeman for letting Galloway go on loan and Walsh for not getting one in.... assuming Koeman asked him for one. Saying that, they were probably too pre-occupied with Sigurdsson and his agent for 2 months.
To be fair Galloway isn't getting a game at Sunderland.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Macca77 on October 24, 2017, 02:53:36 AM
To be fair Galloway isn't getting a game at Sunderland.

Thats because he's bang average
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: charlatan on October 24, 2017, 03:10:57 AM
What a joyous evening.  I think this calls for a picture of Gayle Tilsley's Spaniels Ears?

What do you say @Deano Blue Boy (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=148) ?
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: D_murph0278 on October 24, 2017, 03:16:40 AM
To be fair Galloway isn't getting a game at Sunderland.

I know, I'm not saying Galloway was the answer.... but he was decent in his 1st season at the club. In fact, out of him and Holgate, he seemed the better player.
Koeman bombed him out from his 1st pre season. He could still play left of a 3 and left back when called upon. Hes basically another Koeman has killed.
All said though, we should've bought another LB.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Ridge on October 24, 2017, 03:17:49 AM
(http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=94838.0;attach=8405;image)

The funny thing is I think Niasse actually would wish Koeman good luck and mean it.

Had plenty of opportunity to show it was personal or he held a grudge and never did. I assume Koeman turning away when he scored was partly because he was expecting Niasse might make a point and he did, for the ball. Was one of the only players still trying for him, as the ship was saved from fire, by sinking against Arsenal.

He has now got 4 goals in 180 mins, 3 of them were assists from Davies, 2 of the goals he won the ball in the first place. Now he gets to play for the manager who he played so hard for in the under 23s and who knows his qualities and believed in him.

Love this bit after the 2 goals at Bournemouth.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: bluestevie on October 24, 2017, 04:52:28 AM
Scenario for new manager after first three games -

Out of the League Cup

Bottom two

Out of the Europa Cup

That bloody Koeman

Or

Quarter Final of League Cup

Up 4-5 places in the league

Still with a slim chance of qualifying for Europa knockouts
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: phillyt on October 24, 2017, 04:52:49 AM
Lots of varying views in this thread, including the bewildering idea that we have gone to early on koeman.

Personally would have binned him at half time in the atalanta match. I donít know whether it was a lack of skill or a lack of will but not being prepared for a massive game is totally unacceptable.

There is also the argument that the transfer window was a shambles. Personally I donít buy that. Replacing lukaku was never going to happen, but itís worth remembering that with or without his goals we would still have finished 7th. The fact is we have options at center forward, not great ones but options all the same. Between Calvert lewin, niasse and even the likes of mirralas he had players capable of playing that role if they had sufficient support or supply.
We have conceded 22 goals in 10 games the argument that a lack of striker is our main issue lacks credibility.

Just because he had 3 number 10s in the squad doesnít mean he had to play more than 1 at a time. Rooney is 32. He should be playing cup games and on the bench or as cover in the league. The only real disaster was martina who was definitely a koeman signing.

Steve Walshís job, as far as Iím aware, covers more than just the first team and he has pulled in a some good players at academy level. I think there is room for improvement but given koemans aloofness and apparent disinterest the question should be asked how supportive koeman was in the transfer process. As a player I imagine you want to know the manager or head coach wants you and is going to put you in the team. If Ronnie either neglected that or participated reluctantly and or sullenly I can see why giroud or whoever else we went for might have decided to stay put.

Iím excited to see what happens now. I think we will see an instant improvement. Chelsea will not have out a first choice team and we should be bang up for it. The fact the next three games are away might be a help rather than a hinderence. Apart from the Chelsea match (if they did put a strong team out) we should win both of those games. A couple of wins breeds confidence and then if can put a decent run together. Squeeze through in the EL thecseason suddenly looks a lot rosier.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: KingOfNapaValley on October 24, 2017, 05:02:13 AM
Marco Silva for me.

Agree.

Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Toddacelli on October 24, 2017, 05:05:56 AM
As much as I am happy Unsworth and co. are coming in for a few games and will probably improve feeling about the place regardless of results, I do want the replacement in place with plenty of time to plan for January spending. It will be absolutely crucial.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: bluenuck on October 24, 2017, 05:06:34 AM
Said it before and I'll say it again.

Marco Silva is the flavour of the month. Watford will finish 12-15 and no one will remember his name at the end of the season.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on October 24, 2017, 05:07:32 AM
Said it before and I'll say it again.

Marco Silva is the flavour of the month. Watford will finish 12-15 and no one will remember his name at the end of the season.

You're running the risk of that being @Jimmywhack (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=329) next sig!
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Bally on October 24, 2017, 05:17:04 AM
Said it ages ago and got shot down about Ross waiting for Koeman to go before signing a new deal.
We have audio proof, you said it on a podcast
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Toddacelli on October 24, 2017, 05:22:36 AM
https://twitter.com/josephnutman24/status/922455806544576513
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Toddacelli on October 24, 2017, 05:24:36 AM
https://twitter.com/FootyAccums/status/921645768955572224
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Django on October 24, 2017, 06:12:33 AM
Really?? Are you serious?

I am. I just get the feeling that thereís something massively off with the performances under the last two managers. The players seem far to happy to throw in the towel at a momentís notice. Thereís no way our players arenít good enough, thereís an air of unprofessionalism around the whole club.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: SANA_DR0 on October 24, 2017, 06:26:38 AM
https://twitter.com/FootyAccums/status/921645768955572224


Koeman spoke about this  in the post match press conference after the Lyon match, he said something like he was dutch but he didnt help us, then went on a rant about what you posted.. lol
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: brap2 on October 24, 2017, 06:42:22 AM
I am. I just get the feeling that there’s something massively off with the performances under the last two managers. The players seem far to happy to throw in the towel at a moment’s notice. There’s no way our players aren’t good enough, there’s an air of unprofessionalism around the whole club.

lol, edit:

Been a number of occasions in which we've just totally collapsed on the pitch with absolutely zero fight, going back to Roberto's reign. Worrying lack of mental strength.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Jamokachi on October 24, 2017, 07:16:00 AM
Southampton.

With whom Koeman had beef. Perhaps he doesn't work well in the structure we're now employing. Which should have been analysed before his appointment.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: stirlingblue on October 24, 2017, 10:32:52 AM
Said it before and I'll say it again.

Marco Silva is the flavour of the month. Watford will finish 12-15 and no one will remember his name at the end of the season.

Calm down Paul Merson
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: GLewis on October 24, 2017, 11:57:31 AM
With whom Koeman had beef. Perhaps he doesn't work well in the structure we're now employing. Which should have been analysed before his appointment.

Donít think heís worked anywhere without a DoF to be fair.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: montanatoffeefan on October 24, 2017, 12:24:10 PM
Oh well - disappointing

How many more frogs are we gonna kiss before we find our prince?

Not sure a French manager is what we need, much less a series of them. Particularly if Paul Le Guen is one of them.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Trowel on October 24, 2017, 12:26:32 PM
Henry Winter is spot on here - paywall, but if you can't see it all you can get the gist from the opening.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/sport/self-admiring-ronald-koeman-saw-everton-as-his-stepping-stone-tjd2bbb0d
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: BlueBeagle on October 24, 2017, 01:00:06 PM
If that number plate thing is legit then that's fucking embarrassing
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Goaljira on October 24, 2017, 01:03:23 PM
If that number plate thing is legit then that's fucking embarrassing

What number plate thing?
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Trublue on October 24, 2017, 01:29:26 PM
His Number plate finishes BAR (Barcelona) 
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Simon Paul on October 24, 2017, 01:49:11 PM
If that number plate thing is legit then that's fucking embarrassing

it certainly is

doubt he'll even get a ticket now, let alone the manager's job
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Trowel on October 24, 2017, 01:58:01 PM
On a positive note for Ronald, this year he can have whatever colour Christmas tree he likes.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: brap2 on October 24, 2017, 02:01:08 PM
Donít think heís worked anywhere without a DoF to be fair.

Maybe he's just always had real ones
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Ramjam on October 24, 2017, 02:04:30 PM
His last pay day will mean that he wonít have to worry about ever working again never mind the Barca gig
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Waltzer on October 24, 2017, 02:04:31 PM
If that number plate thing is legit then that's fucking embarrassing

Is it, or is it just a bit of jealousy? Hes an idol at arguably the biggest club in the world, its similar to when Clattenburg got those tattoos of his achievements, its a reminder of the great things they've done during their lives and means something to them. Deep down we probably all wish would could do it, but its a lot easier to have a pop at others for embracing their success rather than admiring what they've done.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Gash on October 24, 2017, 02:23:10 PM
His Number plate finishes BAR (Barcelona) 

His wife's called Bartina.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: TheTone on October 24, 2017, 02:29:16 PM
surprised some lid didn't sneak into the carpark and add KLEY to the end of that
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: BlueBeagle on October 24, 2017, 02:29:38 PM
Is it, or is it just a bit of jealousy? Hes an idol at arguably the biggest club in the world, its similar to when Clattenburg got those tattoos of his achievements, its a reminder of the great things they've done during their lives and means something to them. Deep down we probably all wish would could do it, but its a lot easier to have a pop at others for embracing their success rather than admiring what they've done.

Jealousy?

He's was manager of Everton football club driving round with another teams name on his number plate for fuck sake.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Lazarou on October 24, 2017, 02:32:53 PM
Jealousy?

He's was manager of Everton football club driving round with another teams name on his number plate for fuck sake.

His wife's called Bartina.

?
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Ramjam on October 24, 2017, 02:34:26 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171024/1c7d7630438c808e02e89067c884a17a.jpg)
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: BlueBeagle on October 24, 2017, 02:34:37 PM
lolol

Times Journo has made himself look a right amateur there
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Escla on October 24, 2017, 02:40:37 PM
Jealousy?

He's was manager of Everton football club driving round with another teams name on his number plate for fuck sake.

It was his wife's name !
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Escla on October 24, 2017, 02:42:24 PM
Henry Winter is spot on here - paywall, but if you can't see it all you can get the gist from the opening.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/sport/self-admiring-ronald-koeman-saw-everton-as-his-stepping-stone-tjd2bbb0d

There are five very interesting articles about Everton in The Times today, including "Evertons signings the wort in Premiership history"
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: hill135 on October 24, 2017, 02:43:02 PM
Paul Joyce has written an article in the Times talking about how he alienated the players but itís behind a paywall. Any subscribers on here that can copy and paste?
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Escla on October 24, 2017, 02:43:50 PM
Paul Joyce has written an article in the Times talking about how he alienated the players but itís behind a paywall. Any subscribers on here that can copy and paste?

Will try !
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Jimmywhack on October 24, 2017, 02:48:22 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171024/1c7d7630438c808e02e89067c884a17a.jpg)
Hi career started off brilliant................ then went downhill rapido
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Toddacelli on October 24, 2017, 02:50:41 PM
We can't have Fray Bentos as a manager - coz that's what they'll call him!
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Lazarou on October 24, 2017, 03:05:19 PM
We can't have Fray Bentos as a manager - coz that's what they'll call him!

First thing I thought of and I am ashamed it made me hungry. PIE's!

(https://media.giphy.com/media/Zk9mW5OmXTz9e/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Escla on October 24, 2017, 03:23:06 PM
Paul Joyce has written an article in the Times talking about how he alienated the players but itís behind a paywall. Any subscribers on here that can copy and paste?

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/if-koeman-was-aiming-for-the-barcelona-job-another-sacking-wont-help-qnz3bctwr?shareToken=d1cdcad9d0920d8853fbc5a39e059570

more links to follow
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Brownie20 on October 24, 2017, 03:29:21 PM
Ancelotti with Paul Clement as number 2 being rumoured

(Disclaimer - I don't believe it before the usual beauts on here start saying things about being mad thinking it's going to happen)
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Ramjam on October 24, 2017, 03:37:00 PM
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/if-koeman-was-aiming-for-the-barcelona-job-another-sacking-wont-help-qnz3bctwr?shareToken=d1cdcad9d0920d8853fbc5a39e059570

more links to follow

Good read there Escla, looks like he ran the club around his personal life. Lucky we get rid when we did.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on October 24, 2017, 03:38:35 PM
Wouldn't surprise me if he still got the Barcelona job. Didn't Ramos nearly get Spurs relegated only to then walk straight in to a job at Real Madrid?
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: hill135 on October 24, 2017, 03:40:02 PM
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/if-koeman-was-aiming-for-the-barcelona-job-another-sacking-wont-help-qnz3bctwr?shareToken=d1cdcad9d0920d8853fbc5a39e059570

more links to follow

Nice one lid.

He essentially comes across as a bit half-arsed, and it showed through the team and on the pitch.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Escla on October 24, 2017, 03:40:09 PM
Good read there Escla, looks like he ran the club around his personal life. Lucky we get rid when we did.

Here's the Henry Winter one ! Wish I hadn't said yesterday that I would have given him the next three games :titanic:

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/if-koeman-was-aiming-for-the-barcelona-job-another-sacking-wont-help-qnz3bctwr?shareToken=d1cdcad9d0920d8853fbc5a39e059570
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: boothill on October 24, 2017, 03:40:56 PM
There u go
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Escla on October 24, 2017, 03:47:54 PM
And another one ! Wonder why he didn't write this article a week or two ago ?
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/everton-signings-the-worst-in-premier-league-history-5kqtxl22j?shareToken=2fef304389708f77030f99e6ce4c58f1
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Ramjam on October 24, 2017, 03:48:07 PM
There u go

Hi Ronnie, I was talking to Santa in Asda youíve been a naughty cunt so your not getting your Christmas wish, Barca donít fucking want you.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Fynci on October 24, 2017, 05:25:28 PM
Said it before and I'll say it again.

Marco Silva is the flavour of the month. Watford will finish 12-15 and no one will remember his name at the end of the season.

Glad Iím not the only one thinking the very same.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: BlueForYou on October 24, 2017, 05:26:47 PM
Next home game -

Watford
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Tinga on October 24, 2017, 06:03:00 PM
https://twitter.com/JM1TTY/status/922744134481440768

Koeman sounds like a real cunt. It's no wonder we are in 18th position.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Hawkandro on October 24, 2017, 06:38:38 PM
Koeman - football aside - has not come out well from all this. Sounds like an absolute arsehole.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: everton1952 on October 24, 2017, 06:51:40 PM
Yes, probably much like Mourinho, Ferguson, and going much further back and closer to home, Catterick - all of them probably bastards to work for. Now Roberto was a really nice man and a pleasure to play for. He would tell you that you are the best player ever and will be a legend. I know which type I prefer - the bastards. Niasse, bless him, would not have got a job as a ball boy under the bastards.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Tinga on October 24, 2017, 08:16:25 PM
Yes, probably much like Mourinho, Ferguson, and going much further back and closer to home, Catterick - all of them probably bastards to work for. Now Roberto was a really nice man and a pleasure to play for. He would tell you that you are the best player ever and will be a legend. I know which type I prefer - the bastards. Niasse, bless him, would not have got a job as a ball boy under the bastards.

Seems like you're pushing aside the awful treatment of a seemingly nice guy. Interesting that.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Lxxx on October 24, 2017, 08:42:36 PM
Let's be honest, Niasse treatment notwithstanding, his methods of working and man management have come under scrutiny wherever he's been it seems. We had a post-Martinez bounce in which it could be argued anyone with a degree of professionalism and managerial experience would have lifted that group of players from the depths they were in, and he got an extra 20% on top due to people wanting to impress a legend of the game. Since then it's unravelled quickly and he's alienated quite a few popular players.

Looking back his treatment of Barkley was met with mixed reactions at the time but he was given the benefit of the doubt as he was Ronald Koeman. Maybe now, if Barkley signs, we'll see a rejuvenated Ross freed from the old self-limiting shackles and given a fresh start. Although God knows where he'll play seeing as we have about a dozen players for about three positions now.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: everton1952 on October 24, 2017, 09:13:07 PM
Nice guys don't tend to win things, generally speaking.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Bluedylan on October 24, 2017, 09:22:33 PM
Nice guys don't tend to win things, generally speaking.

And when bellends perform woefully, everyone can't wait til they fuck off.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: blueToffee on October 24, 2017, 09:26:59 PM
Nice guys don't tend to win things, generally speaking.

Ranieri? Guardiola? Mancini? Pochettino (albeit still yet to win) I think it's down to competence and drive myself (and a boatload of money). We're used to associating success with the likes of Ferguson and Wenger who are testy and petulant. I actually think it's been changing a bit in recent years as coaching has evolved. It's less about just showing "passion" and a bit more analytical and motivational work.

Basically whether you're nice or a complete arse, I think there are more important factors at work. Either one can be successful these days though.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Bluedylan on October 24, 2017, 09:27:17 PM
Good read:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2017/oct/24/ronald-koeman-everton-post-cruyffians-ajax-barcelona
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 24, 2017, 09:29:43 PM
Sandro and Klassen are crap. Don't you go to the games? In which game have you seen either in which they were other than crap? Koeman did not make them so. He or someone else dropped a clanger in signing them. Even Klassen writes an article which explains "why it is so difficult to play in the PL"
Yes I did not want massive disruption and wanted Koeman to turn it around, but am well aware there were no signs of it, and what has happened was inevitable. I have no opinion on Unsworth except he is not and has never been a football manager. Imagine one of the so-called big clubs turning their team over to a U23 coach? No, neither can I.  Two games only regardless.

Probably a bit late with this but you mean like Barcelona did?
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: bluenuck on October 24, 2017, 10:09:07 PM
His treatment of Barkley has been nothing but fine as far as we know. He wanted him to sign, and he wanted him to play.

As for niasse. Niasse isn't good, guys. He was told that and put on the U 23's and told that they would try to get a deal for him to play elsewhere, which eventually they did.

Tell me why this is so "terrible"? It's football. It's professional football.

I'm not a koeman fan, but let's just stick to facts. He sucked as a manager, and helped screw up a major transfer window.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: everton1952 on October 24, 2017, 10:59:16 PM
Didn't know Barca were facing relegation when they made that change. Presumably whoever took over carried on from a good foundation?
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Django on October 24, 2017, 11:20:39 PM
Loads of word that Koeman was a complete control freak around FF.

He and his cronies having to be first sat down for lunch etc. Not surprising to hear.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Django on October 24, 2017, 11:22:33 PM
His treatment of Barkley has been nothing but fine as far as we know. He wanted him to sign, and he wanted him to play.

As for niasse. Niasse isn't good, guys. He was told that and put on the U 23's and told that they would try to get a deal for him to play elsewhere, which eventually they did.

Tell me why this is so "terrible"? It's football. It's professional football.

I'm not a koeman fan, but let's just stick to facts. He sucked as a manager, and helped screw up a major transfer window.

Niasse is as good an option as any of the other strikers we have on the books and has 3 league goals after only playing in 4 games and starting 1. He's not as bad as we all originally thought and should of been in contention all season long.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: everton1952 on October 24, 2017, 11:39:14 PM
Loads of word that Koeman was a complete control freak around FF.

He and his cronies having to be first sat down for lunch etc. Not surprising to hear.
Did the others subsist from crumbs off the cronies' table then?
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Simon Paul on October 24, 2017, 11:43:05 PM
got to give the club credit here

I handed my season ticket in to a steward saying I wouldn't be back until Koeman was sacked

Today, I got the season ticket that I handed in back through the post!

Either they thought it was top trolling, or they are quick off the mark!
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 24, 2017, 11:51:34 PM
Didn't know Barca were facing relegation when they made that change. Presumably whoever took over carried on from a good foundation?

Are we facing relegation? Also all clubs have their targets. Unsworths targets here would be relative to our abilities.

Let's be quite clear here we are a lot more likely to avoid relegation than Barcelona were to win the title when they appointed guardiola. So by your argument unsworths targets are a lot more achievable. If it's avoiding relegation then he has an easy job
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: bacon sarnie on October 25, 2017, 01:36:10 AM
Loads of word that Koeman was a complete control freak around FF.

He and his cronies having to be first sat down for lunch etc. Not surprising to hear.

Aye, Lois van Gaal was the same at United. Wonder if DeBoer did this as well/a Dutch thing?

Should have known Koeman wouldn't last long though....https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/nov/14/liverpool-everton-premier-league-title-contenders-ronald-koeman

Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Lxxx on October 25, 2017, 03:18:59 PM
A lot of the stuff being drip fed out now doesnít reflect well on him to be honest. If even half of it is true itís no wonder it looked like morale was low.
There are ways to act as a decent human being which ensures you get respect and it looks like he was lacking in that regards.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Macca77 on October 25, 2017, 03:22:56 PM
Some of the rumours I've been told are ridiculous to be honest

But, it does seem that he's a massive control freak, a stubborn one at that, refused to speak to players for days on occasion, and wouldn't listen to any new ideas in training etc
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Macca77 on October 25, 2017, 03:32:39 PM
got to give the club credit here

I handed my season ticket in to a steward saying I wouldn't be back until Koeman was sacked

Today, I got the season ticket that I handed in back through the post!

Either they thought it was top trolling, or they are quick off the mark!

So you're the reason why he was sacked then, can imagine the convo between Bill and Elstone

Elstone - Bill we need to sort this now, Si off NSNO has handed his season ticket back and said he won't come back until Koeman is gone"

Bill - Ill let Farhad know asap

<Adds Farhad to whatsapp group>

Farhad - Hey guys, funny game wasn't it, just been on the phone to my mate Jim White, told him Ronald is still the man for the job, he will add to his news bit on Sky Sports later, great guy he is

Bill - Go on, tell him Robert..

Farhad - Whats up, is the cladding ok? Tell me its ok!!

Elstone - Mr Farhad boss, Si from NSNO has handed his season ticket back and said he won't come back until Koeman is gone

<Farhad is typing>

Bill - Spit it our lad

<Farhad is typing>

Elstone - We need to act now boss

Farhad - SACK THE USELESS TWAT NOW!

Bill - Pick me up from mine at 12 tomorrow Rob, and someone throw Si's season ticket in the post back to him
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Trowel on October 25, 2017, 05:01:48 PM
Squires with the best Neville Southall you could imagine.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2017/oct/25/david-squires-on-koeman-southall-and-a-wild-week-at-everton
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Macca77 on October 25, 2017, 05:08:54 PM
Brilliant this
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Major Clanger on October 25, 2017, 05:14:14 PM
A lot of the stuff being drip fed out now doesnít reflect well on him to be honest. If even half of it is true itís no wonder it looked like morale was low.
There are ways to act as a decent human being which ensures you get respect and it looks like he was lacking in that regards.

Let's not forget that this always happens after people leave the club. Almost as if it was done on purpose.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Major Clanger on October 25, 2017, 05:16:05 PM
So you're the reason why he was sacked then, can imagine the convo between Bill and Elstone

Elstone - Bill we need to sort this now, Si off NSNO has handed his season ticket back and said he won't come back until Koeman is gone"

Bill - Ill let Farhad know asap

<Adds Farhad to whatsapp group>

Farhad - Hey guys, funny game wasn't it, just been on the phone to my mate Jim White, told him Ronald is still the man for the job, he will add to his news bit on Sky Sports later, great guy he is

Bill - Go on, tell him Robert..

Farhad - Whats up, is the cladding ok? Tell me its ok!!

Elstone - Mr Farhad boss, Si from NSNO has handed his season ticket back and said he won't come back until Koeman is gone

<Farhad is typing>

Bill - Spit it our lad

<Farhad is typing>

Elstone - We need to act now boss

Farhad - SACK THE USELESS TWAT NOW!

Bill - Pick me up from mine at 12 tomorrow Rob, and someone throw Si's season ticket in the post back to him

I'm waiting for the Downfall spoof video edition of this scene :)
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Ramjam on October 25, 2017, 05:18:36 PM
Thatís a classic
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Lazarou on October 25, 2017, 05:31:09 PM
Squires with the best Neville Southall you could imagine.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2017/oct/25/david-squires-on-koeman-southall-and-a-wild-week-at-everton

Usual quality from Squires, with extra laughs because it is Everton. Some great little details. Love all the lefty ex players.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Jamokachi on October 25, 2017, 05:35:46 PM
Squires with the best Neville Southall you could imagine.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2017/oct/25/david-squires-on-koeman-southall-and-a-wild-week-at-everton

amazing
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: boothill on October 25, 2017, 05:36:14 PM
I'm waiting for the Downfall spoof video edition of this scene :)
There was a spoof were adolf was offered a house in waterloo after the war, but he wanted blundellsands, it was very very funny, but cant find a link to it anywhere
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Macca77 on October 25, 2017, 05:46:42 PM
https://twitter.com/ToffeeTVEFC/status/922975812881715200
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Lxxx on October 25, 2017, 05:52:18 PM
https://twitter.com/ToffeeTVEFC/status/922975812881715200

Seems to be a common theme with everything that's coming out.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: blargins on October 25, 2017, 06:04:25 PM
Remember when Andy Gray was a few hours from becoming our manager back in the 90s? Was gutted when he decided against it.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Macca77 on October 25, 2017, 06:25:38 PM
Remember when Andy Gray was a few hours from becoming our manager back in the 90s? Was gutted when he decided against it.

He had no intention of becoming our manager, turned us down blaming someone at the club for making his possible appointment public, when in reality he used us to get a hefty payrise from Sky,
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Lxxx on October 25, 2017, 06:27:30 PM
He had no intention of becoming our manager, turned us down blaming someone at the club for making his possible appointment public, when in reality he used us to get a hefty payrise from Sky,

I don't think that was entirely true. He'd have been silly not to at least give it some serious thought.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Hawkandro on October 25, 2017, 07:09:34 PM
Interesting sentence in that Guardian story:

Ibrahimovic was sold to Juventus in the ensuing mess and, without a striker, Ajax collapsed.

Sounds like history has repeated itself for Koeman.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: BlueForYou on October 25, 2017, 08:07:38 PM
Sounds about right what Gray said

You either take to an arrogant Colonel style management or you don't ("I'm in charge, you'll do it my way or the highway")

Cloughie was like that, his captain John McGovern quoted "He could speak to me how he wanted and I'd still run through the desert all day for him, but would I socialise and go to a restaurant with him - no way, didn't like the man!"

I don't think any of Harry Catterick's players had a good word to say about him

In the 60s & 70s players didn't have a lot of choice and so responded to it, but now, as Alan Ball once said "How do you motivate a bunch of millionaires?" They can turn their back on a manager without really being hurt

Gotta move with the times, Unsy! It would appear that the Dutch, haven't






Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Ridge on October 25, 2017, 08:47:48 PM
Brilliant this

This is one of the best things I've read  lolol
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Simon Paul on October 26, 2017, 01:22:54 AM
Seems to be a common theme with everything that's coming out.

but anyone who said it two weeks ago was pounced upon
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Everton Mint on October 26, 2017, 03:59:54 AM
Should've sacked him weeks ago after watching tonight's improvement...
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Bluedylan on October 26, 2017, 04:02:49 AM
Should've sacked him weeks ago after watching tonight's improvement...

A few of us said that...weeks ago, and we're told to wind our necks in. We'd still be in the El for starters.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Lazarou on October 26, 2017, 04:22:19 AM
I thought from early on in the season that something was wrong with the squad, but I suppose with that feel good factor of some big transfers and also a tough start in the league that no one expected much of it masked over the fact that he had lost the dressing room. Probably many small things have built up and into the players not giving their all under Koeman.

Was the Barkley situation the start of the downfall? That would kind of fit in the timeline. If someone is well liked in the dressing room and someone pissed them off why would it not effect the other players, then maybe some of Koeman's other shall we say quirks start to niggle then before you know it everyone thinks the boss is a wanker.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: boothill on October 26, 2017, 04:35:35 AM
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Django on October 26, 2017, 05:51:32 AM
ďI had Olivier Giroud in the building,Ē Koeman added. ďHe would have fitted perfectly, but at the very last moment he decided that heíd rather live in London and stay at Arsenal.

ďThat was really hard to swallow. You tell me, where you can get a better striker? Lukaku was so important for us, not just because of his goals. He had a certain way of playing as a striker Ė strong.

ďHe could hold the ball, he always had an eye for the goal, he was fast. If things were not going well in a game, if we could not play the way we were used to, there was always the option to use the long ball towards him.

ďAll of a sudden [after Giroudís decision], we were missing such a player. With Nikola Vlasic and Wayne Rooney, we had attackers who want the ball at their feet.

ďWhen you are struggling as a team with the build-up from the back, and we no longer had the option to kick it long, you know you have a problem.Ē
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Django on October 26, 2017, 05:54:37 AM
ďLast Thursday, after our defeat to Lyon in the Europa League, I knew it was crisis time," Koeman told Dutch football magazine VI . "I am not daft, I know how the football world operates.

"I could figure out how things could go. I was sure I would be on the bench against Arsenal on Sunday. But another defeat against Arsenal and I could see that anything would happen.

"And if things did not improve in those last games, I had worked out what would happen.

"Maybe there was a chance to coach against Chelsea in the EFL Cup and maybe I would be able to do Leicester City away and Watford just before the international break."
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Django on October 26, 2017, 06:19:19 AM
'I was on holiday when I received the Premier League fixture list by e-mail.

'I looked at it and saw that five of our first nine games would be against clubs from last season's top six: Chelsea, Tottenham, Man City, Man United and Arsenal.

'I looked at it again and I said to myself, ''Phew!'

'That is not going to be an easy run, in particular with a Europa League run at the same time and a really early start with all the players because of the European games. And most of all, because I had lost my striker Lukaku.'


Ronald mate he's left us, get over it man.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: bluenuck on October 26, 2017, 06:58:16 AM
'I was on holiday when I received the Premier League fixture list by e-mail.

'I looked at it and saw that five of our first nine games would be against clubs from last season's top six: Chelsea, Tottenham, Man City, Man United and Arsenal.

'I looked at it again and I said to myself, ''Phew!'

'That is not going to be an easy run, in particular with a Europa League run at the same time and a really early start with all the players because of the European games. And most of all, because I had lost my striker Lukaku.

Not making Excuses for the guy. But there's 3 massive parts in this quote to why he was sacked. Tough start + tons of new players + no striker.

He was doomed from the start.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Lazarou on October 26, 2017, 12:06:44 PM
Not making Excuses for the guy. But there's 3 massive parts in this quote to why he was sacked. Tough start + tons of new players + no striker.

He was doomed from the start.

Nah, he got himself sacked by the manner his teams played and the way he went about game management also he had lost the players. That's why he was sacked.
Title: Re: Koeman Sacked
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on October 26, 2017, 03:37:12 PM
We used to start absolutely shite every year under Moyes, but he never seemed like he lost the dressing room, this was completely different this year with Koeman.