I love this fella, the shit he used to take coz that walter smith put him out to left back, and did he hide ? Did he fuck, hard as nails he is, would run through the preverbial brick wall for you, would love to see him get the gig, a lot more experienced than getting credit for. GO RHINO
Aaahh! Didn't Unsie return from West Ham cos he was homesick in the big city?
I love a bit of heart ruling head action.Niether has been shown so far this season, so 1 out of 2 is a start. Make them fight for their shirt
Via Villa for a day.Knew where he wanted to be, same with ferguson and howard kendall, and i'm pretty sure others went and returned
John Gregory said that Unsy's wife wears the trousers
Say that to Rhino - duck
Goosebumps watching his press conference. Would love him to be successful.
Sounds like Koemans backroom staff have gone as well?
Anyone got a link to the replay of the press conference?
https://www.pscp.tv/Everton/1yNxaVoNeyNKj
Do they have any regular goal scorers in the U23s? Or a winger? Play one or two of them.
You have to start it 3 or 4 minutes in. Everton timings out once again. Enjoy. The guys an Evertonian through and through.
http://www.evertonfc.com/news/2017/10/24/watch-unsworths-pre-chelsea-press-conference
Thank you, Peej.
Fuck me, I got a lump in my throat when he was talking about Ross, and about what Evertonians expect 😢
Fucking come oooooonnn, Rhino! ✊🏼
One report I read said Koeman had not bothered with the U 23's recently, you know those ones that won the league and won a U20's world cup. Perhaps Unsworth is just joining the two back together again, it will be a great experience for them if nothing else.
One report I read said Koeman had not bothered with the U 23's recently, you know those ones that won the league and won a U20's world cup. Perhaps Unsworth is just joining the two back together again, it will be a great experience for them if nothing else.
I wonder how much of this type of libelous crap are we gonna hear for the next few days/weeks...according to some gossips he never left his office...he never actually took training.......in fact he'd never even been to finch farm since the day he started......ffs
let him go.... we got our wishes without..petitions, demonstrations or burning shirts and flags with his name on..
You got me wrong, I ain't bothered I moved on weeks ago. Just a possible explanation for Unsworth integrating some U 23's. A hypothesis if you will.
I love this fella, the shit he used to take coz that walter smith put him out to left back, and did he hide ? Did he fuck, hard as nails he is, would run through the preverbial brick wall for you, would love to see him get the gig, a lot more experienced than getting credit for. GO RHINOI think it's a good time for him, the players will run through a brick wall for him & the fans will back him, we need to grind out results at this moment. Lets get behind him
The more I think about it the more I think give it to Rhino till the end of the season and reassess then. If it works, happy days, extend. If it doesnt, make the call straight away and go for new man. Chances are by April we will know if his contract will be extended or not, If its looking like not then we can draw up a list. Marco Silva would be top of that list for me, but I am all for giving Rhino a go until May.
He deserves it. The players seem to love him and will play for him.
Why not.
Your heart wants him to do well, your head tells you to be cautious and your mates ask who the fuck is he?You need to change your mates
The more I think about it the more I think give it to Rhino till the end of the season and reassess then. If it works, happy days, extend. If it doesnt, make the call straight away and go for new man. Chances are by April we will know if his contract will be extended or not, If its looking like not then we can draw up a list. Marco Silva would be top of that list for me, but I am all for giving Rhino a go until May.This is where I am with it.
He deserves it. The players seem to love him and will play for him.
Why not.
Let's wait and see. If a better candidate is gettable, then let's get him instead. As Unsworth said, it's about what's best for Everton and winning matches, not individuals or playing to the gallery.
I think we should leave this obsession with the U-23's. There are none there that stand out better than what we've got in the senior squad, we just need to get the likes of Schneiderlin etc... pulling their finger out before we call up any more kids. We've got plenty of youth, we finished the Lyon match with 7 lads learning their trade, we don't need any more.
All this crap about Silva. Why would he leave Watford and come here? Read this http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/41710640
https://twitter.com/everton/status/922834541470941186
Goosebumps watching his press conference. Would love him to be successful.Is big Dunc still there?
Sounds like Koemans backroom staff have gone as well?
The more I think about it the more I think give it to Rhino till the end of the season and reassess then. If it works, happy days, extend. If it doesnt, make the call straight away and go for new man. Chances are by April we will know if his contract will be extended or not, If its looking like not then we can draw up a list. Marco Silva would be top of that list for me, but I am all for giving Rhino a go until May.
He deserves it. The players seem to love him and will play for him.
Why not.
The only problem with this is he can only have it for a maximum of 12 weeks coz he hasn't got the pro licence....if they wait the full 12 weeks is he good enough to get us outta trouble ? If he's not how long do they give him only to prove he's not good enough? Which due to our current position would deffo put us in a dire position and deffo relegation fight....Isn't that why Joe Royals been brought in to oversee ,?.
Here's the dilemma...the longer into the 12 weeks we go and it doesn't improve, our position gets worse and we still need a manager.....give him it and it doesn't improve and ....we still need a new manager...
The pressure is really on both unsy and the board as he HAS to succeed no matter what the outcome job offer wise.....
FOR ME the better alternative is get an experienced man in ASAP i'm Afraid.....rather than hope unsy succeeds...sorry...
The only problem with this is he can only have it for a maximum of 12 weeks coz he hasn’t got the pro licence...
He's had it for at least four years, if the newspaper reports at the time can be believed.
Tbh I don’t think he has
The only problem with this is he can only have it for a maximum of 12 weeks coz he hasn’t got the pro licence....if they wait the full 12 weeks is he good enough to get us outta trouble ? If he’s not how long do they give him only to prove he’s not good enough? Which due to our current position would deffo put us in a dire position and deffo relegation fight....Right ok - say we bring in ancellotti, nothing changes we remain bottom 3 and out the competitions- where do we go from there? We pay him off aswell? Unsworth KNOWS these players especially the U23s of which account for about 40% of this current squad, we need to grind results out now before we really end up in the shit, a foreign manager who doesn't understand everton or this squad may well take time to get going, we can't afford that at the minute.
Here’s the dilemma...the longer into the 12 weeks we go and if it doesn’t improve, our position gets worse and we still need a manager.....give him it and if it doesn’t improve and ....we still need a new manager...
The pressure is really on both unsy and the board as he HAS to succeed no matter what the outcome job offer wise.....
FOR ME the better alternative is get an experienced man in ASAP i’m Afraid.....rather than hope unsy succeeds...sorry...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/22928946
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/england/10293645/FA-chairman-Greg-Dyke-should-speak-to-former-players-such-as-David-Unsworth-to-realise-his-England-vision.html
I honestly didn’t realise he’d finally gone for it.......good on him then....and nice to be proved wrong don’t mind admitting when I’m wrong...
Right ok - say we bring in ancellotti, nothing changes we remain bottom 3 and out the competitions- where do we go from there? We pay him off aswell? Unsworth KNOWS these players especially the U23s of which account for about 40% of this current squad, we need to grind results out now before we really end up in the shit, a foreign manager who doesn't understand everton or this squad may well take time to get going, we can't afford that at the minute.
BTW if the players want him that's massive.
Fair enough, but it isn't proof really, I just googled it and I found these references.
this was how he signed off the interview....
he's already found his level. I like the man, but not for this job.how can he have found his level if he's never been tested higher?
but let's first see how the players respond...
4 games when we're in the shit ain't really a fair period of time to judge unsworth on
how can he have found his level if he's never been tested higher?
Good luck to him. He wants the job. Rumours abound players want him to have the job. Done his time with the kids and had success. Maybe it is his time. Right age. Respect of fans and players. Really hope he has the minerals for it.
I hope he gets longer than a few games to see how it goes. Something like 3-4 months. Let the likes of Coleman, Barkley, Bolasie get back to fitness and allow him to pick a proper first 11 and see what he can do with it.
Time to gt behind him and the team.
I put this on another thread in error.
Imagine Unsie giving his team talk. "Now Wayne this is what I want you to do.... Wayne, would you put that fucking phone down and listen to my advice on how to play". Wayne WAYNE come back here!!!
when he went to Sheffield Wednesday I asked for an interview with him but could never get to the phone with him, so the club said to send the questions over and he'd answer them
he hand-wrote his answers.....
"Where has the sense of togetherness gone?"
"Fuck knows!"
https://twitter.com/nsno/status/922868222449373184
when he went to Sheffield Wednesday I asked for an interview with him but could never get to the phone with him, so the club said to send the questions over and he'd answer themCould you post thd whole interview si
he hand-wrote his answers.....
"Where has the sense of togetherness gone?"
"Fuck knows!"
https://twitter.com/nsno/status/922868222449373184
Could you post thd whole interview si
I've just finished the pre match interview and I've decided that I want to keep him (Mr. David Unsworth) as manager at least until the season ends. Hopefully and probably longer (IMO) His answers are very good and respectful to everyone. The best from him is... I am what I am...
I haven't read any posts in here on this subject and this is only my opinion.
take care, Ari.
https://twitter.com/nsno/status/922868222449373184
If he wins at Anfield then we should offer him a lifetime contract, any salary he wants.
I know you're jokingbut fuck me is that small time. It's Roberto on the side of Goodison small that.
More than likely there will be no 'set period of games'. He'll be getting assessed continuously by those above him, and they will be approaching other managers in the meantime and seeing where the land lies.
If Tuchel wanted the job for example, I don't think it would matter if Unsworth was given 2 games or 20 games. The job will be Tuchel's. And conversely if Eddie Howe's the best we could get, and Unsworth doing well in the meantime, they'll probably let him keep it.
The board are right not to put a set timeframe on things. No reason to limit themselves in anyway. Assess the situation on an ongoing basis, put the feelers out there and see what their best option is over the next few weeks.
The board are right not to put a set timeframe on things. No reason to limit themselves in anyway. Assess the situation on an ongoing basis, put the feelers out there and see what their best option is over the next few weeks.
There isn't any magic formula for success. Martinez really bought into the club and started like a house on fire but that turned to shit. Koeman was the biggest name we've ever had but never really looked as if he wanted to be here and that turned to shit. Tuchel might be a great name and an exciting thought but he could have a hard time getting his ideas over in his first stab at English football and we may well have to pay off another manager in 18 months too.
All I've seen are smiling faces on the training ground and a very eloquent interview, backed up by a groundswell of goodwill. I think we'd be silly not to seriously consider the man, it's not as if he's some bloke off the street. He's got a very persuasive argument to put across for the job and whilst I'm not saying he should get it he should at least be given every opportunity to show that he's a very credible candidate for the club.
The difference with Unsworth against most of the other managers we are linked with, Unsworth would stay here for his entire career if it was possible, we're not a stepping stone to him, this is his dream job, I really think if you offered him any Prem team to manage, he would still pick us.
Koeman used us for his CV (which backfired), so did Martinez (to an extent, although I think he grew to love the club), other managers like Tuchel or Silva will do the same.
I actually don't know what produces better results over a longer period, a manager who wants to build a legacy with 1 club or 1 willing to just shoehorn quality over a short period of time.
Chelsea have benefited from 1 way of doing it, whereas Liverpool have not really benefited from the same approach.
You’d imagine he’ll go back to basics and simplify what’s being asked of the players. Also rumours the likes of Lennon and Mirallas are back in the team tonight...which leads me to another thought...
What if we get back on track with the ‘old guard’ and Unsworth bins off all of Koeman/Walsh signings? I suppose Moshiri will be happy if we’re winning but surely one of the new manager’s tasks will be to integrate these expensive, highly paid signings into the team?
Sorry, getting ahead of myself.
Don't know what will happen
Shakespeare initially took to management like a duck to water, got a contract and then the sack!
Different ball game once officially in the hot seat
And it would appear that Leicester have got their "big name" - Puel
Bigger than Dyche, I guess?
Puel should be in charge for Sunday against us - the Rhino's ready!
More than likely there will be no 'set period of games'. He'll be getting assessed continuously by those above him, and they will be approaching other managers in the meantime and seeing where the land lies.Its the way I saw it as well. I don't think it is about the 4 games but the time frame. The board have probably figured they need 2-3 weeks to interview candidates and make a decision.
If Tuchel wanted the job for example, I don't think it would matter if Unsworth was given 2 games or 20 games. The job will be Tuchel's. And conversely if Eddie Howe's the best we could get, and Unsworth doing well in the meantime, they'll probably let him keep it.
The board are right not to put a set timeframe on things. No reason to limit themselves in anyway. Assess the situation on an ongoing basis, put the feelers out there and see what their best option is over the next few weeks.
Will be interesting if he'll get the best out of Niasse seeing as he had faith in him at under 23 level where he was scoring? I reckon he'll get more game time. Him and DCL upfront may get goals?I don't think even the best of Niasse is good enough and premiership level, maybe championship? This will be Unsworths achilles heel as it was for Koeman, scoring goals
How many of us would have gone for Puel as our manager?
Not (m)any, I suspect
Ranieri, Shakespeare and Walsh
Proven winning formula - but, I suspect, not for any of us
Tinkering one trick pony and all that
Ranieri, Shakespeare and Walsh
Proven winning formula - but, I suspect, not for any of us
Tinkering one trick pony and all that
I don't think even the best of Niasse is good enough and premiership level, maybe championship? This will be Unsworths achilles heel as it was for Koeman, scoring goals
He's got to go.
Bit early like, hes only been in charge for one game ....Wouldn't be hard would it,it was mostly Chelsea's second 11,there was a couple of pluses the lad in the middle Benni and the workrate,on the negitive were was that fight all season,and we have to get through till January with jags and Williams.
Best footy weve seen all season n'all.
Niasse has 4 goals in 180 mins this season.
Irrespective of the opposition, looking at how we did, our pressing, our patterns of play, organisation, shape, that was easily our best display of the season.Second half I'd agree
Cracking start for Unsworth. If he'd had a tiny bit of the run of the ball, we'd have knocked Chelsea out there.
Second half I'd agree
First half was poor but there's plenty to be positive about
Let's see how he follows that up now
Second half I'd agree
First half was poor but there's plenty to be positive about
Let's see how he follows that up now
I thought first half was fine tbh, and their goal came from nowhere. Thought the plan was to start solid and grow into the game.We were slow, lacked width and Sat deep. That right back had time and space and we lacked confidence.... Understandably
Wouldn't be hard would it,it was mostly Chelsea's second 11,there was a couple of pluses the lad in the middle Benni and the workrate,on the negitive were was that fight all season,and we have to get through till January with jags and Williams.
Still got beat by Chelsea reserves though :thumbsup:
Fabregas, Pedro and William are pretty decent reserves.
Fabregas, Pedro and William are pretty decent reserves.Batshuiyi, cahill, christenson all played pl games
Batshuiyi, cahill, christenson all played pl games
Zapucossta big money signing
Rudiger too
Batshuiyi, cahill, christenson all played pl games
Zapucossta big money signing
Rudiger too
Drinkwater tooHe looked way way way off the pace didn't he
Love the guy. I really do. However, we can't hire him. If we are trying to build a CL team we need a big name that can recruit. We aren't plucky old Everton anymore. If he wants to be our manager he needs to go win big somewhere else. Let us hire him from a lesser club.Said similar a few pages back or on a different thread, can't remember
It pains me to say it. It does. He is a great servant to the club. But if we want to spend big and recruit with the best we need a name to go with it. One that not only can draw English talent but also German, Italian, French, etc. I don't want to see us win by grit or negative football. I want to see us play proactively and not just knick games against the big clubs. I want ambition and prestige to come back to us and feel that if we hire him it will be like LCFC hiring Shakespeare. We cannot be drawn into emotion but need to remain objective with what we want and who can get us there.
I realize I may receive flack from this post (mainly from those that don't consider me a true blue by being American and not have season tickets). However, I think what I say does have reason. I'm happy to debate and discuss though.
In addition, we can't hire him because Koeman's tactics were garbage. Comparing someone to your previous failures vs what he offers going forward is criminal and will only make us continue on our current path.Second half was fast attacking pro active football ....what more so you want after one real training session .😅.
We had a former world class player as manager who struggled to get players in. And to stay.
Love the guy. I really do. However, we can't hire him. If we are trying to build a CL team we need a big name that can recruit. We aren't plucky old Everton anymore. If he wants to be our manager he needs to go win big somewhere else. Let us hire him from a lesser club.
It pains me to say it. It does. He is a great servant to the club. But if we want to spend big and recruit with the best we need a name to go with it. One that not only can draw English talent but also German, Italian, French, etc. I don't want to see us win by grit or negative football. I want to see us play proactively and not just knick games against the big clubs. I want ambition and prestige to come back to us and feel that if we hire him it will be like LCFC hiring Shakespeare. We cannot be drawn into emotion but need to remain objective with what we want and who can get us there.
I realize I may receive flack from this post (mainly from those that don't consider me a true blue by being American and not have season tickets). However, I think what I say does have reason. I'm happy to debate and discuss though.
Love the guy. I really do. However, we can't hire him. If we are trying to build a CL team we need a big name that can recruit. We aren't plucky old Everton anymore. If he wants to be our manager he needs to go win big somewhere else. Let us hire him from a lesser club.
It pains me to say it. It does. He is a great servant to the club. But if we want to spend big and recruit with the best we need a name to go with it. One that not only can draw English talent but also German, Italian, French, etc. I don't want to see us win by grit or negative football. I want to see us play proactively and not just knick games against the big clubs. I want ambition and prestige to come back to us and feel that if we hire him it will be like LCFC hiring Shakespeare. We cannot be drawn into emotion but need to remain objective with what we want and who can get us there.
I realize I may receive flack from this post (mainly from those that don't consider me a true blue by being American and not have season tickets). However, I think what I say does have reason. I'm happy to debate and discuss though.
Also our thing should be we are number 1 for top prospects. We can't be number 1 for worldclass players but we can be the best place for young players who maybe wouldn't get in a Chelsea or city team yet
Unsworth would be perfect for that.
Honestly I think he's absolutely what we need. Someone to build fantastic team spirit, someone who appreciates the value of our youth teams, someone with genuine passion for the club
It appears he wants us to play aggressive pressing football. We aren't going to get relegated. I'd love to see him given this season to prove his value. Who on the list isn't a risk. We get to try before we buy with unsworth. Think he could be a great manager if we give him a go instead of being snobby about it
Also our thing should be we are number 1 for top prospects. We can't be number 1 for worldclass players but we can be the best place for young players who maybe wouldn't get in a Chelsea or city team yetCompletely agree. If it doesn’t work out, Silva in the summer.
Unsworth would be perfect for that.
Honestly I think he's absolutely what we need. Someone to build fantastic team spirit, someone who appreciates the value of our youth teams, someone with genuine passion for the club
It appears he wants us to play aggressive pressing football. We aren't going to get relegated. I'd love to see him given this season to prove his value. Who on the list isn't a risk. We get to try before we buy with unsworth. Think he could be a great manager if we give him a go instead of being snobby about it
Sounds good doesn't he? Very confident in what he tries to impress on his teams and quite open with the press due to that confidence.
Yep, and he confirmed that the plan was to stay compact and then open the game up second half, which 100% worked, only missing the finishing touch in front of goal. Shows tactical awareness, not just chest thumping and 'getting us'.
Without trying to sound too down beat as the performance was better and there seemed to be much more desire, but its going to take more than a defeat against a second string Chelsea team to get me excited about the future or to strengthen Unsworths credentials to lead us forward. And whilst we stayed compact we still conceded and is it tactical awareness when he said he was only ever going to play McCarthy for 60 minutes, the game had to open up cause he was taking him off, it was premeditated and not necessarily reacting to the situation?
With the above said there were numerous plus points from the game but I think the next 2 games will be the real acid test as Leicester will surely have a boost following Puels appointment and Watford are flying, hope Beni gets a run out in the middle for them though.
Without trying to sound too down beat as the performance was better and there seemed to be much more desire, but its going to take more than a defeat against a second string Chelsea team to get me excited about the future or to strengthen Unsworths credentials to lead us forward. And whilst we stayed compact we still conceded and is it tactical awareness when he said he was only ever going to play McCarthy for 60 minutes, the game had to open up cause he was taking him off, it was premeditated and not necessarily reacting to the situation?
With the above said there were numerous plus points from the game but I think the next 2 games will be the real acid test as Leicester will surely have a boost following Puels appointment and Watford are flying, hope Beni gets a run out in the middle for them though.
Oh piss off you realist ;) (not the realist). Taking all that into account all that I doubt there would be many managers who could have coaxed that sort of performance from that team last night after the confidence sapping start to the season, long term who knows.
Without trying to sound too down beat as the performance was better and there seemed to be much more desire, but its going to take more than a defeat against a second string Chelsea team to get me excited about the future or to strengthen Unsworths credentials to lead us forward.
How about Tuchel with Unsworth as his number 2
Also our thing should be we are number 1 for top prospects. We can't be number 1 for worldclass players but we can be the best place for young players who maybe wouldn't get in a Chelsea or city team yet
Unsworth would be perfect for that.
Honestly I think he's absolutely what we need. Someone to build fantastic team spirit, someone who appreciates the value of our youth teams, someone with genuine passion for the club
It appears he wants us to play aggressive pressing football. We aren't going to get relegated. I'd love to see him given this season to prove his value. Who on the list isn't a risk. We get to try before we buy with unsworth. Think he could be a great manager if we give him a go instead of being snobby about it
Funny that, it was mostly our second 11 too.Don't be silly.
Without trying to sound too down beat as the performance was better and there seemed to be much more desire, but its going to take more than a defeat against a second string Chelsea team to get me excited about the future or to strengthen Unsworths credentials to lead us forward. And whilst we stayed compact we still conceded and is it tactical awareness when he said he was only ever going to play McCarthy for 60 minutes, the game had to open up cause he was taking him off, it was premeditated and not necessarily reacting to the situation?
With the above said there were numerous plus points from the game but I think the next 2 games will be the real acid test as Leicester will surely have a boost following Puels appointment and Watford are flying, hope Beni gets a run out in the middle for them though.
Don't be silly.
Can we stop calling the likes of Willian , Kenedy , Batshuayi , Christensen , Zapacosta , Cahill , Pedro , Drinkwater , Moratta and Fabregas 2nd string . Given the comparative strength of both squads it was a great effort under the circumstances .
Kenedy , Batshuayi , Christensen , Zapacosta , Drinkwater rarely start, neither does Cabellero and you could probably throw Willian in to that too. Yes most would walk into our first team but not theirs. Fabregas didnt come on until 63 minutes and Morata 85th, so yes predominantly it was Chelsea' second string, or should I call them 'not their fist team regulars'? Also, 17 year old Ethan Ampadu made his debut in centre midfield for them!
Figured it was worth trying to do something to convey Unsworth performance with under 23s with a bit more detail.This reads like you're drawing a comparison between the u23s league and the premiership?
So have attached U23 league tables, here's the overall league results since Koeman's arrival.
Unsworth with under 23s : 30 Played / 20 Wins / 4 Draws / 6 Losses / Goals / 63 For / 26 Against.
Koeman with first team: 47 Played / 19 Wins / 12 Draws / 16 Losses / Goals / 69 For / 62 Against
Unsworth - 66% win percentage / 20% Losses / 2.1 goals per game / 0.9 goals against
Koeman - 40% win percentage / 33% Losses /1.5 goals per game for / 1.3 goals against
This reads like you're drawing a comparison between the u23s league and the premiership?
Figured it was worth trying to do something to convey Unsworth performance with under 23s with a bit more detail.
So have attached U23 league tables, here's the overall league results since Koeman's arrival.
Unsworth with under 23s : 30 Played / 20 Wins / 4 Draws / 6 Losses / Goals / 63 For / 26 Against
Unsworth - 66% win percentage / 20% Losses / 2.1 goals per game / 0.9 goals against
Kenedy , Batshuayi , Christensen , Zapacosta , Drinkwater rarely start, neither does Cabellero and you could probably throw Willian in to that too. Yes most would walk into our first team but not theirs. Fabregas didnt come on until 63 minutes and Morata 85th, so yes predominantly it was Chelsea' second string, or should I call them 'not their fist team regulars'?
Left back was least of the problems, Walter at times used to use him centre midfield!
I would have ran through a brick wall in the desert to play for Everton - no matter the manager...................pla y for the fans
I would have ran through a brick wall in the desert to play for Everton - no matter the manager...................pla y for the fansYeah rumors of players revolt against both Martinez and Koeman points a little finger at the likes of Baines and Jags. Would like to see Them running through brick walls no matter the manager.
Without trying to sound too down beat as the performance was better and there seemed to be much more desire, but its going to take more than a defeat against a second string Chelsea team to get me excited about the future or to strengthen Unsworths credentials to lead us forward. And whilst we stayed compact we still conceded and is it tactical awareness when he said he was only ever going to play McCarthy for 60 minutes, the game had to open up cause he was taking him off, it was premeditated and not necessarily reacting to the situation?
With the above said there were numerous plus points from the game but I think the next 2 games will be the real acid test as Leicester will surely have a boost following Puels appointment and Watford are flying, hope Beni gets a run out in the middle for them though.
Straq ran through a brick wall once for Moyes.
But it was just to get to the lockerroom after Moyes told Straq he was wearing the wrong kind of boots. And Straq missed the doorway.
Baines seemed more up for it than he has for a while.He had someone to play with for once
Here's an interesting McNulty article on the win record of Sheff United manager Chris Wilder
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/41756907
I would have ran through a brick wall in the desert to play for Everton - no matter the manager...................pla y for the fans
If he wanted to keep that type of pressing game he could have put Besic on for McCarthy in a straight-swap and kept the same shape. I don't know if Besic was on the bench but he could have named him on the benchif that was what he intended.
He had someone to play with for once
If introducing Besic is ever part of your tactical plan then you've seriously misinterpreted what is required.
If introducing Besic is ever part of your tactical plan then you've seriously misinterpreted what is required.
Barkley 3-4 weeks away from fitness
Gana close to a new deal
https://twitter.com/AHunterGuardian/status/923893244697686017
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Gana doesn't need a new contract.
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Gana doesn't need a new contract.
***Miserable Bastard Warning***
Gana doesn't need a new contract.
Whether or not Chelsea's B team was a good level of opposition, this looks good to me (click on the shot map):
https://twitter.com/11tegen11/status/923617821409595393 (https://twitter.com/11tegen11/status/923617821409595393)
We allowed some decent opportunities* and it's not unusual to lose to superior finishing/goalkeeping but, even if you take away Calvert-Lewin's goal at the end, it looks like we created the better chances.
* Not too much in the center of the box, though, which is promising.
Probably earned one though.I suspect @kramer0 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4360)'s point is a little more along the lines of we should actually be selling him to one of the clubs in his agent's ear...
Good to keep him happy, endorse his importance to club. I wouldn't be surprised if a few clubs were in his agents ear.
I suspect @kramer0 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4360)'s point is a little more along the lines of we should actually be selling him to one of the clubs in his agent's ear...
Given that we're constrained by FFP, selling for a profit, rather than tying a 28 year old player until he's well in to his 30s, is definitely the more analayticsy thing to do.
One might suggest that we're seeing the problems with new contracts with Jagielka and Baines now too. 👀
I suspect @kramer0 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4360)'s point is a little more along the lines of we should actually be selling him to one of the clubs in his agent's ear...
Given that we're constrained by FFP, selling for a profit, rather than tying a 28 year old player until he's well in to his 30s, is definitely the more analayticsy thing to do.
One might suggest that we're seeing the problems with new contracts with Jagielka and Baines now too. 👀
Transfer fees reflect the value of a contract and so, agreeing a new one, pushes the price up and it might deter suitors, but I don't think we'd have any difficulty selling Gueye if we wanted to.I think you're neglecting the other side of a player's contract: the player's wages.
He showed too much faith in certain players today.I totally disagree with the niasse comment as away from home for me you need someone to make it stick
Sigurdsson has shown over the last three seasons he's a top player whereas Rooney? No so much.
DCL isn't enough of a goal threat as much as I like him. Niasse would have been a better option, especially away from home.
Davies in a midfield 2 just doesn't work. Play Schneiderlin if he's fit enough to make the bench.
Not much choice in the back 4 so can't criticise him much. Perhaps Holgate for Kenny but even he gave away a stupid penalty against Lyon.
Might have even been better countering their back 3 with one of our own but that's hindsight.
He showed too much faith in certain players today.
Sigurdsson has shown over the last three seasons he's a top player whereas Rooney? No so much.
DCL isn't enough of a goal threat as much as I like him. Niasse would have been a better option, especially away from home.
Davies in a midfield 2 just doesn't work. Play Schneiderlin if he's fit enough to make the bench.
Not much choice in the back 4 so can't criticise him much. Perhaps Holgate for Kenny but even he gave away a stupid penalty against Lyon.
Might have even been better countering their back 3 with one of our own but that's hindsight.
Hes a gobshite, but not sure what to make of this comment?Don't even read his shite,has a fucking idiot yard dog twat, who's inability to be civil at best stopped him having any real chance at a decent career ...now he's a prick pundit type who thinks he's Cantona Esq in his musings ...
If it's true I hope it doesn't cause a rift, had enough of them.
https://twitter.com/Joey7Barton/status/924714884817965062
Agree with all except niasse shout. DCL is a target at least so I think the team is better off with him opposed to oumar
Don't even read his shite,has a fucking idiot yard dog twat, who's inability to be civil at best stopped him having any real chance at a decent career ...now he's a prick pundit type who thinks he's Cantona Esq in his musings ...
Fucking yoghurt of a man.
Hes a gobshite, but not sure what to make of this comment?
If it's true I hope it doesn't cause a rift, had enough of them.
https://twitter.com/Joey7Barton/status/924714884817965062
I don't see the point in having a striker to make it stick when he can't score goals anyway.
At least Niasse has a knack of scoring terrible goals
That performance from Niasse today showed why Koeman was so keen to ship him out and showed what pretty much everyone thought of him before Koeman came in. He didnt deserve the treatment he got but he is a poor player no way near the standard of a player we should be using.
I know he has got a few goals but you cant have a player in the team that has no idea himself what to do in a lot of situations. The shot he had where spannered it wide, the position he was in you have to curl for the top corner he strikes with a technique that sends it away from goal. The cross down in the corner, you are facing away from goal at a tough angle hitting as hard as you can like you are shooting isnt going to do anything other go behind straight away. He did a few of them for Hull cant understand what goes through the head at that point. And that touch when rooney played him in, not even close to be able to get near the ball to do anything with it.
DCL is very minimal goal threat and really shouldnt be starting for us but there are no options. Niasse certainly starting games and absolutely on his own is just not possible in my opinion. Touch awful, no awareness and I'd be amazed if the players arent hesitant about giving the ball to him.
It is very desperate times that DCL is a regular starter for him and that Niasse is the next option as I dont think either are as good as Enner Valencia and he got ridiculed last season because he wasnt very good either.
Joey Barton slams Everton manager David Unsworth
http://dailym.ai/2zYFRSb
Can someone just do this gobshite.
I’ve never really rated Mirallas up top, always thought that option was a non-starter but due to our appauling options and the fact he doesn’t offer much from the wing he might be something of a goal threat up top. Not a target, but maybe a through ball from Rooney to Lennon would be up his street. I just don’t think this DCL approach can keep going, aside from the game against Man City it’s so non-effective.
Our attacking options must be the worst in the league. Or very close to it. I was even starting to wonder if there are any free agents out there, it’s that bad.
Maybe with Barkley back soon we can do away with Rooney in midfield and have him up top with another.
Niasse was terrible today. He contributed a lot more than DCL though. Least he got himself in positions to fuck it up.Niasse is a turd of a player and Lewin is like having a 14year old playing up front his movement is none and he is bullied all game his hold up play is shite and I don't give a fuck how old he is,he Is dire.
The striker situation is beyond laughable. There's been plenty that have moved that would have signed for us that are infinitely better than niasse and DCL. Not players we would have been originally excited by but players who'd at least allow us to field a competent 11
Whenever I've watched a PL game this season I look and think would all the strikers on the pitch get in our team. When I can't find many arguments against Sam Vokes and Benik Afobe getting in our team you know we are in serious trouble in that position!!I made this comment a few weeks ago - I said Glenn Murray would walk into our team and was slaughtered for it...wasn’t suggesting him as a signing, just said he’s better than we have...
Whenever I've watched a PL game this season I look and think would all the strikers on the pitch get in our team. When I can't find many arguments against Sam Vokes and Benik Afobe getting in our team you know we are in serious trouble in that position!!
Niasse is a turd of a player and Lewin is like having a 14year old playing up front his movement is none and he is bullied all game his hold up play is shite and I don't give a fuck how old he is,he Is dire.
Didn’t Sigurdsson spend some time up front for Swansea, might be worth consideration?
I made this comment a few weeks ago - I said Glenn Murray would walk into our team and was slaughtered for it...wasn’t suggesting him as a signing, just said he’s better than we have...
Joey Barton slams Everton manager David UnsworthHe got one thing right Unsworth cannot be our next manager.
http://dailym.ai/2zYFRSb
Can someone just do this gobshite.
I was actually going to add him in as well but still cant quite admit that one to myself let alone the public.Sobering...
Can someone just do this gobshite.
Hopefully an appointment will be made this week.
Dont worry if it takes longer, id rather we appoint the right person rather than rush this decision.
If I was a manager id be tempted to try to hold fire until January before coming in as looking at the squad you'd struggle to see how or where you could improve certain elements?
Yep you're not wrong, I do worry about going through another two months winless however.
Thought he showed some astute management for someone in his position with his subs at half time.
He could've easily pandered to the crowd, opened the game up even more and chased the goal. We would've been 3-0 down within five minutes looking at the end of a thrashing.
Instead he consolidated, made us more narrow and we controlled the game better.
The game was already lost at half time like, but that could've been a lot worse.
The 45 minutes per match theme seems to be continuing. This was something that appeared to start under Koeman where we played well in the first half of a game, and then went to shit in the second half, or visa versa.
With Unsworth's first two matches we were shit first half and improved second half. Granted he made half time changes, which would account for some of that.
Why can we not get a full 90 minutes from this squad. It is clearly not a fitness thing, but why can they not get fired right away and stay that way. I don't think we played well in a full match for a long time.
This situation is a little trickier than after Chelsea.Has been a very tricky start for him, 3 differing styles too
https://twitter.com/Caley_graphics/status/924709449956241409 (https://twitter.com/Caley_graphics/status/924709449956241409)
If I wasn't lazy, I'd download that picture, draw a big red circle around that clustering of shots allowed in the middle of the box, and label it "where Schneiderlin or Baningime could have helped."
Playing a 4-4-2 with two positionally undisciplined midfielders in a tricky away fixture was naive. For the time being, he needs to stick with the rigid 4-3-3 for away matches. If we manage to scrap a goal, perfect. If not, we have the option to open things up in the second half with one easy switch (forward for centre mid). He can be a little more aggressive at home, although I still think we need someone disciplined in midfield, like Schneiderlin, if we want to play with two centre forwards.
Unsworth is still my preferred option until the end of the season. I think he's been unfortunate to start off with three away fixtures against talented sides and that we'd actually have something to show for his early work if he had started with Brighton and Lyon at home instead of Chelsea, Leicester, and Lyon away. (Also, I think he's the only candidate that won't turn the club into a bigger behind-the-scenes mess than it already is.)
A few more naive choices will see my opinion change quickly, though.
Would love to see Barton’s face if he ever ran into Unsy in a bar
fucking hell, there's a lot of FM player here, Unsworth has had an easy start? FUCK OFF! a badly balanced squad, low on confidence, played chelsea reserves? how many of them would improve our squad? and Leicester , premiership winners a while ago, yeah, easy peasy eh?Very eloquently put but fuck off.
if its that easy I hope your putting your CV in to the club. and shouts for allerdyce and dyche? fuck off. if DU is not good enough ok, but even thinking about those two is fucking insulting. if Moshiri is not more ambitious than that, he can fuck off as well, and take kenwright with him.
sick of this shit, selling the club and supporters short.
no wonder the cunts across the park say we are a small club with attitudes like that. makes me want to puke.
In the couple of days after Koeman's sacking every time I saw the name Unsworth it was followed by 'to steady the ship up to tenth'. Now it seems to be followed by 'to see how he does'.
We haven't got time to waste on auditions.
Barton is just trying to help get his mate Dyche into the job so he can feel more welcome at Goodison.
Anyone JB recommends should be considered with caution!
As for Unsy being a bit overweight for a guy with a stocky build, that is totally irrelevant. If he was charging out as captain, then Barton would have a point. But if a manager needs to be an exemplar of fitness, then all should be sacked! That's not their job. Besides, anyone with muscle looks fat in a suit - they don't call Tony Bellew 'Fat Boy' for nothing (but never to his face!).
The point is: can he inspire confidence, can he produce a balanced team that plays with heart and imagination, can he get results? ...He did with the youngsters, so let's see how he gets on over the next games with the first team. Give the guy a chance!
Very eloquently put but fuck off.
Gosh, through all the puking and threats never to go again and hoping the owners fuck off and other gross over reactions, people need to relax a bit and take stock of where we are. It is a mess for all sorts of reasons and will take someone experienced and very good at their job to get us out of the shit we are heading for. That rules out the learner Unsworth in my book. The vilification of Dyche and Allardyce is uncalled for. They are good at what they do. We are probably not an attractive proposition at this stage for any well known available "more prominent" managers from abroad or anywhere else. 3 year contract for Dyche, or a rest of the season one for Sam, and then regroup and see where we stand next May. Either manager would need to spend on established decent goal scorers in January. It is all a big disappointment but it is where we are.
They are not.good enough. Simple. And had Moshiri shown true ambition I doubt we sou.have been in this place now. R K was a poor choice, his record was not the best , probably a safety first appointmemnt. If thats what you want, lets go for.moyes. not spectacular but proven. Rather him than allerdyce.
But for.now.we have DU, who deserves a chance to show if he can make the transition. Two DIFFICULT games is not.enough, And certainly.not enough to warrant jumping for.fat Sam.
I honestly wouldnt touch Moyes with a barge pole. He has highlighted his limitations on more than 1 occasion since leaving us, and even during spells with us. And Unsworth has done little to warrant this opportunity other than the fact hes an employee of the club.
I have more faith in either of them than allerdyce. My point is just throwing names like his out there, is wrong, maybe Unsworth won't be good enough long term, but at the very least it gives us time to look at quality managers. And let's not forget, he has Joe Royle to back him up.
Let's just quit with the hyperbole please and give him a chance. And stop with the fat Sam shouts....it's depressing enough without that shit.
How come we never get the new manager bump?Martinez first year ?.
So you'd have more confidence in a manager that has been sacked on 2 of his last 3 appointments and left the other after getting them relegated cause he didnt want the fight, and a manager that has no experience managing, with the exception of U23s, who got it woefully wrong against Leicester over a manager that has never been relegated, generally improves teams, albeit his style of play may not be to everyone's taste and got enough recognition to manage his National team?
I dont want Allardyce to take over and think we should be aiming much, much higher but Moyes and Unsworth would be a farcical appointment if we do have plans on progressing, even more so than Sam.
I am saying that allerdyce is not much of a better option, and i would prefer him not to be associated with the club in any way. And for all moyes faults. He did some goos stuff and brought some veryvtalentes players in, on a paltey budget, and if your judging unsworth after two games against two sides much better than us, thats pathetic. Barely a week to assess and sort all the issues we have is beyond any manager imo.
He’s not judging unsworth because as you rightly say you can count his first team games on one fucking hand which is part of the problem.
How come we never get the new manager bump?
I mean the first few games bunp
So if he is not judging him, why bring it up?
We know he has little experience, but how do you get experience? So he is in place till January, that is when he should be judged.
And it gives the board time to make the best choice.....and neither Dyche or Allerdyce will be close...i truly hope.
So if he is not judging him, why bring it up?
We know he has little experience, but how do you get experience? So he is in place till January, that is when he should be judged.
And it gives the board time to make the best choice.....and neither Dyche or Allerdyce will be close...i truly hope.
Short, succinct, and lacking in any point. Probably.your best post recently.Thanks mate.
Rhino been told he hasn't got the job permanently alreadyHas he?
Why should he leave? His U23 job must be cast iron.He's come out, said he wants the job but has been told no
He's come out, said he wants the job but has been told no
Maybe he might think there is no future for him.
Let's hope not
How come we never get the new manager bump?
Rhino been told he hasn't got the job permanently already
Time to bring back out my loaning coaches to lower league clubs idea! :)
Would be cheaper for the loaning club than a permanent manager etc. Plus we’d get to road test our younger coaches.
Could see it definitely. Did you see the guardian article arguing for clubs spending big on managers? Transfer window for managers logical conclusion, loaning highly rated youth coaches to clubs who wouldn’t be able to afford it usually.
No never saw that. Will look it up!
Could see it definitely. Did you see the guardian article arguing for clubs spending big on managers? Transfer window for managers logical conclusion, loaning highly rated youth coaches to clubs who wouldn’t be able to afford it usually.
If we had a transfer window for managers we’d still be stuck with Ron and spiralling even further!
A supposed forward-thinking guy like Moshiri should be well on board with the loaning out of Unsworth to test his mettle. He's proved himself in Moshiri's first pet project, the U-23's, so why would you want to potentially lose him and all that knowledge and experience to maybe come back and sit in the opposite dugout one day.
If you can provide even one piece of evidence that Moshiri is forward-thinking w/r/t football (not business, actual football) it would make me feel much better about the clubs prospects.
Hence the word 'supposed.'
Just out of interest whats this heavy investment being made in the under 23s?
Off the top of my head all I can recall is DCL being bought for the development squad for a large sum. The likes of Lookman and Vlasic were bought for the first team squad.
Just out of interest what’s this heavy investment being made in the under 23’s?
Off the top of my head all I can recall is DCL being bought for the development squad for a large sum. The likes of Lookman and Vlasic were bought for the first team squad.
Just out of interest what’s this heavy investment being made in the under 23’s?
Off the top of my head all I can recall is DCL being bought for the development squad for a large sum. The likes of Lookman and Vlasic were bought for the first team squad.
Just out of interest what’s this heavy investment being made in the under 23’s?
Off the top of my head all I can recall is DCL being bought for the development squad for a large sum. The likes of Lookman and Vlasic were bought for the first team squad.
Josh Bowler from QPR and Lewis Gibson from Newcastle.And the lad from Fulham
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/fc-everton-u21/transfers/verein/9261/saison_id/2017 (https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/fc-everton-u21/transfers/verein/9261/saison_id/2017)
Do a little more research.
I dont follow the u23s that much but I know there was kid from Newcastle (Gibson I think) who cost a bit and that Donkor, but dont think its been vast amounts, could be wrong though?
Lewis Gibson cost £6m didn't he? The lad from QPR, Josh Bowler, cost £4.25m.
From that it looks like we get ripped off even more in the under 23s market than we do for our full squad!! 6.39 million spent with a market value of 1.44 million
From that it looks like we get ripped off even more in the under 23s market than we do for our full squad!! 6.39 million spent with a market value of 1.44 million
Point me in the right direction?
Isn’t that Donkor just a loan like Dier was?
Can’t remember about Gibson but Bowler was heavily incentivised wasn’t it, pretty minimal outlay initially. Even them fees are pretty standard at that level though now aren’t they? Sterling cost £5m when he moved to the shite 10 years ago, Arsenal payed about that for Pennant amongst others back in the late 90’s and 00’s and god knows what City or Chelsea pay for kids.
Convenient that you 'can't remember' a 6 million outlay on an U17s player. Use google, jog your memory.
As you well know there's been plenty of seasons we couldn't spend £10m on the first team, let alone two players for the youth teams. So yeah, there has been clear and indisputable investment.
But you crack on with your agenda and don't let annoying things like facts and information get in the way.
Moshiri out!
What are you going on about?
I couldn’t remember so asked. Further investigating reveals its £6m for a lad if he manages to fulfil all kinds of incentives. That’s not what we paid for him.
If that’s the case we paid £2m to Leeds for Luke Garbutt in 2009. Given the inflation in football transfer fees he’d be going for £20m now.
3 games, 3 defeats, 1 goal for, 7 goals against.
Not the best audition for the full time gig from Unsworth is it.
We need someone asap because things haven't improved in the slightest, if anything we're now worse than when Koeman was sacked.
if anything we're now worse than when Koeman was sacked.
Haha, that's ludicrous. Did you watch the Arsenal game? We're better than when Koeman was fired, but maybe not better enough for Unsworth to keep his job (fixtures defo haven't helped him).
Three different game plans, all more coherent than anything Koeman served up this season.
'it's been better than Koeman' isn't a very convincing argument for keeping him on.It's the actual only positive I've seen
We are not Palace ffs the guy has had three games ....anything Koeman instilled into the squad is still rattling round some members ....he needs time ,yeah it's pressure and we havnt got much time but ffs three games is the sum of fuck all in reality in terms of trying to turn this debacle of RK's round.
We are not Palace ffs the guy has had three games ....anything Koeman instilled into the squad is still rattling round some members ....he needs time ,yeah it's pressure and we havnt got much time but ffs three games is the sum of fuck all in reality in terms of trying to turn this debacle of RK's round.
Unsworth has picked 18 different starters in three matches, played players in multiple positions during those 270 minutes and left an already demotivated team looking thoroughly confused for good measure.
Why would you give the managerial role with arguably one of our worst squads in recent-ish history to someone without PL experience/track record?Never at any point said give him it full time ....re read if you want, but we have just give near four years to two fucking Muppets with about as much nouse as Sunday league managers neither of whome are exactly winners unless I've been in a coma since Martinez cup run separation season ....so for some to be calling Unsworth after three games is just shithouse .imho.
We should've had someone in by now IMO.
We don't look any more confused than under Koeman. In fact we look a lot less confused, the players have a fairly clear idea what their role is, even if the overall tactics aren't working.
Never at any point said give him it full time ....re read if you want, but we have just give near four years to two fucking Muppets with about as much nouse as Sunday league managers neither of whome are exactly winners unless I've been in a coma since Martinez cup run separation season ....so for some to be calling Unsworth after three games is just shithouse .imho.
He doesn't have the job though. He's a caretaker manager. Since when are caretaker's meant to be there beyond a few games?Oh so a knee jerk appointment is what your after ....fair enough then.
We could / should have equalised vs Chelsea so that’s not an issue.problem is we couldnt use a solid draw to anything to Night We needed a win and starting without striker was a very very poor decision.
I think vs Leicester and the sub tonight have been overly optimistic decisions - probably due to the fact that he’s felt that he’s auditioning for the role, rather than just trying to get 2 solid draws.
Oh so a knee jerk appointment is what your after ....fair enough then.
problem is we couldnt use a solid draw to anything to Night We needed a win and starting without striker was a very very poor decision.
No, what I want is not what we seem to be getting. We should've reached out to people weeks ago, the writing on the wall was there for a long time. Even if it wasn't we should have some targets in mind in case Koeman quit or whatever.
I want planning. This is Unsworth being handed a shitty situation out of the blue, it's an awful situation for a new manager.
No, what I want is not what we seem to be getting. We should've reached out to people weeks ago, the writing on the wall was there for a long time. Even if it wasn't we should have some targets in mind in case Koeman quit or whatever.So we agree he still needs more time as do the board to get it right .....not a fucking Allardyce Dyche knee jerk backwards step .
I want planning. This is Unsworth being handed a shitty situation out of the blue, it's an awful situation for a new manager.
So we agree he still needs more time as do the board to get it right .....not a fucking Allardyce Dyche knee jerk backwards step .
So we agree he still needs more time as do the board to get it right .....not a fucking Allardyce Dyche knee jerk backwards step .
I think we probably aren't really capable of a backwards step from here short of deciding we are gonna back goalkeeping obsolete along with goalscoring in our team.Imho Allardyce is a big backwards step .
That's not a slight on unsworth I actually think he's done a good job and don't have a problem him getting more games. We are fucked though. Rock bottom. It might not matter who's in charge.
Unsworth was placed in an almost impossible position trying to revive a totally inadequate squad, and the harsh results show he failed comprehensively 3 games to nil. He has to be in charge against Watford though. We need the win but I don't think that necessarily gives him an extension, unless of course the board have a target appointment which they are prepared to wait for. But for how much longer can we risk waiting?I have no doubts Unworth last game is against Watford, id love for him to go out with a win as he'd deserve it. It hasn't been easy for him, as it won't for whoever comes in but he's gone about everything in the right way. I only hope he sees that he's not yet ready and the new person in charge keeps him on as his assistant, or at least in the first team squad, providing he wants it.
@kramer0 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4360) for DoF. Who wants to manage? I know Brownie is more of a rugby fella, but he also seems like he'd command respect (or crack skulls).
I volunteer for substitutions specialist assistant, and magnet for the peoples' (deserved) abuse! :D
I won’t harbour any bad feelings towards unsie at the end of this, and I hope he stays at the club in his previous capacity.What was he thinking playing Lennon and Mirrallas,what prem side plays 2wide men away from home,after 20mins you know it's not working yet he did nothing needs to gain experience somewhere other than the U/23s.
He was lashed into the pit of despair and he’s been dignified and made some good decisions. I think Leicester however was really surprisingly bad. Maybe he thought - this puel is a stinker, let’s steam roll them.
Unsworths gotta go down as the worst caretaker since Ian Huntley
Unsworths gotta go down as the worst caretaker since Ian HuntleyAye yeah cos he's murdered kids ain't he
What was he thinking playing Lennon and Mirrallas,what prem side plays 2wide men away from home,after 20mins you know it's not working yet he did nothing needs to gain experience somewhere other than the U/23s.You were not one of those saying that we needed width then?
You were not one of those saying that we needed width then?We need pace,why would you bring in 2players 1who had hardly featured and Lennon who had even less minutes,how many teams go away and set up like that,he should have been solid and defended deeper vardy had a field day 1st half.
I know I was
We need pace,why would you bring in 2players 1who had hardly featured and Lennon who had even less minutes,how many teams go away and set up like that,he should have been solid and defended deeper vardy had a field day 1st half.
Vlasic ok lookman ok miralles nope Lennon nope and Sandro what the fuck is he.
Everyone in the squad with pace has hardly featured. However, we need goals and we can't rely on the experienced heads at the back to keep team's out.
Mirallas, Lennon, Vlasic, Lookman and Sandro should all be rotating from here on in. 4-3-3 is the only way to get through until January. DCL on his own with a Sigurdsson or Rooney just off him will have us rock bottom by January.
Unsworths gotta go down as the worst caretaker since Ian Huntley
Vlasic ok lookman ok miralles nope Lennon nope and Sandro what the fuck is he.
Unsworth well out of his depth
Sick of all the blue tinted glasses with some of our fans who think you can’t criticise Unsworths glaringly obvious failings ‘cause he’s one of us’ :shock:
Thank goodness Bill Kenwright is still not in charge or we could have ended up with Unsworth talking us down.
I think it’s best if he left the club and got some proper experience as a first team manager if he wants to get a job at the top level
It’s got a lot to do with Unsworth as he picks the team, the tactics and trains then players.
Squad is easy capable of finishing mid table, just needs a leader.
Unsworth is not a leader, he’s likeable but not a leader.
It’s got a lot to do with Unsworth as he picks the team, the tactics and trains then players.
Squad is easy capable of finishing mid table, just needs a leader.
Unsworth is not a leader, he’s likeable but not a leader.
Same squad was fancied to challenge for top 4
We have good players, just had a bad manager and now a temp manager who is out of his depth
Big sam will turn us around fairly easily
No more out of his depth than Koeman this season. Or Martinez in his last season.
It’s got a lot to do with Unsworth as he picks the team, the tactics and trains then players.
Squad is easy capable of finishing mid table, just needs a leader.
Unsworth is not a leader, he’s likeable but not a leader.
Not sure how anyone can even suggest that Unsworth has done a good job.
We were totally and utterly clueless against a Leicester side in a similar predicament.
Of course they were mate that's why he took them off.Lennon has been average for 3 years mate what are you looking at,and miralles isn't far behind him.
Mirallas and Lennon were our most dangerous players against Leicester, 1st half at least. Like most... they need a run of games and confidence. We can't afford to discount any of our quicker forwards.
Sandro may well be another subject altogether. I think he wants to go home already.
Of course they were mate that's why he took them off.Lennon has been average for 3 years mate what are you looking at,and miralles isn't far behind him.
So you take them off and replace them with?......
Lookman and Vlasic? Sandro?
Must massively regret the overly positive approach at Leicester.
If we’d set out to play the same way in all 3 games so far you’d like to think that we’d be gaining coherence etc ahead of Sunday.
I would not replace with anyone because I would not play either.
So you take them off and replace them with?......
I said this before we appointed Unsworth,
He deserved a better team than the one left to him by Koeman, he has a totally lopsided squad, no strikers, slow aging centre backs.. After all the work he's done for the U-23's He deserved a decent fucking squad; so we could judge him fairly.
He's trying to play catch up with out all the correct pieces.
I can't believe it's not sorted,and Unsworth is taking another game.
Can you really not? This is always what's been reportedYou should be on stage mate that's fucking hilarious.
You should be on stage mate that's fucking hilarious.
You should be on stage mate that's fucking hilarious.
I wasnt a joke. What's happening is exactly what's been reported from the start. You're just being dramaticWhat dramatic about wanting a manager appointed to sort this mess out?
We are the talksport topic with Durham for anyone who is interested.
even if a new manager comes in, what will change? still will have no strikers, and no centre backs.. or players in midfield who are creative
Thanks for the three points, but I'm out.
We have nowhere near the organization of his U23 teams. It's way too easy for opponents to find space between our midfield and defensive lines which, in turn, makes it easy for them to create chances. The players' spirit has been restored some and we've been better at creating chances ourselves but "better" still means a weak attack, which isn't good enough considering our continuing defensive frailty.
Whatever the reasons for the decisions he's made -- searching for coherence in an imbalanced squad, trying to do things he doesn't normally do in order to impress the higher-ups -- he's not right for the club at the moment. He has some excellent qualities and he has every chance of being an good manager one day but it's not going to happen for him now. I wish him the best, whatever his next move is (back to the U23s, off to a first-team job elsewhere).
I still wish we would look at Walsh's position first but, since that doesn't seem to be forthcoming, it makes sense to get a steadier hand in over the international break.
even if a new manager comes in, what will change? still will have no strikers, and no centre backs.. or players in midfield who are creativewe have Got OUMAR NIASSE :hail: :hail: :hail: :hail: :hail: :hail: :hail: :hail: :hail:
Just don’t understand why the best shape and therefore performance we played (Chelsea second half) wasn’t attempted to be repeated?
Just wait until Jags is back. You won't even have to see the ball go back to Pickford for it to be hooofed nowhere
I didn’t see that game but I’ve heard this a few times, what was the set up?
Nothing extraordinary really, but started with a 433 which was solid but isolated the front 3 as the CMs were “flat”.
Second half Davies was pushed forward a bit, so more 4231, and the distances between players was much better and enabled better control of the ball etc. leading to decent open play chances.
Natural wide players or tucked in? Lookman or anyone on the pitch? Who was up top, Oumar and Dom?
I'd like to see Unsworth stay on and support the new manager, as an assistant coach - everyone loves Unsie, and he knows the club inside out, so he would be ideal to have on our management bench, even if a new man brings his entire new staff in. So someone like Tommy Tuchel (and his chosen team of staff, as most of ours really are shit coaches) working with Unsie would be my choice.
At the moment, I cant fit Rooney, Sig, Schneiderlin or Kev into the squad.Pickford
Keane ----- Jagielka
Kenny ------------------------------------- Baines
Gana or Banger or McCarthy
Davies
Lennon ------------------------------------- Vlasic
Niasse ----- DCL
Swapping Kenny for Coleman, and adding Bolasie to the rotation of that front 4 when they come in, wouldnt change it either on current form.
1 win out of 4, time to go back to the kids team or get some real experience of football management elsewhere and prove he is up to the Everton jobSeriously, who would have done better?
This is a negative and a positive though, yes Unsie does know loads about the club, players, staff, fans expectations etc. Is this a good thing? Does he know what good looks like, he is also very pally with lots of people at the club that have failed to deliver over numerous years, nearly decades. My own views are that the club needs a big overhaul and getting a fresh pair of eyes a fresh approach with a clear out, almost from top to bottom is whats required. If Moshiri is serious he needs to do a review of all management for the failings at the club, we keep changing managers but certain things remain the same and its that, thats holding us back.What the absolute fuck are you on about? Have you noticed how good the U23s are?
I do think having him on board would be good for the fan base, but in my eyes once the review was done by Moshiri the only connection between Unsie would be the fans as most of the people we has a connection with wouldnt be around.
What the absolute fuck are you on about? Have you noticed how good the U23s are?
Some of our fans have fucking issues. Maybe he is not ready for the first team. Nut getting rid of him altogether? That's an awful shout.
Seriously, who would have done better?
This is a negative and a positive though, yes Unsie does know loads about the club, players, staff, fans expectations etc. Is this a good thing? Does he know what good looks like, he is also very pally with lots of people at the club that have failed to deliver over numerous years, nearly decades. My own views are that the club needs a big overhaul and getting a fresh pair of eyes a fresh approach with a clear out, almost from top to bottom is whats required. If Moshiri is serious he needs to do a review of all management for the failings at the club, we keep changing managers but certain things remain the same and its that, thats holding us back.
I do think having him on board would be good for the fan base, but in my eyes once the review was done by Moshiri the only connection between Unsie would be the fans as most of the people we has a connection with wouldnt be around.
so thats not an over reaction? I agree there needs to be a change at the club, and it needs to be from the top, this "nice" image we portray is not helping, we need to start showing a ruthless streak. don't want to play for us? well its the U23s, and fuck your international ambitions.
but some on here are saying DU is not good enough, yet fail to say who would ave done better than him. it does my head in the negativity on here sometimes. we are not good at the moment, it ha happened before, this time we have a chairman who can finance a solution, we hope.
I dont think its an over reaction, our problems stemmed from years and years of poor performances from above. Koeman, like Unsworth didnt have much chance with the squad they had, but everything is hypothetical when it comes to who could have done better, whose knows how Stubbs would have got on if he were still in charge? Yes, Unsworth did really well with the U23s, but it is the U23s. And a difference of opinion doesnt always have to be negative, it can just be a difference of opinion? But if we do have a chairman that has the finances to make a change then surely going for the best possible candidate is the best option, and in my opinion Unsworth has done little to justify being that, but clearly you think different, which is fine.ha ha. your fucking joking. Koeman bought and built that side, thats why he got sacked.
ha ha. your fucking joking. Koeman bought and built that side, thats why he got sacked.
Heh, and that'll be another thing we disagree on, especially considering Walsh has stated that was one of the major reason he was bought in as DoF, for his recruiting background. Makes you wonder what Walsh does do though if you're right, which goes back to my point about the need for an overhaul......Martina was a RK player,as was Siggurdson .if walsh had a hand in this fiasco, then he should go. but to say RK would have struggled as much as DU is a stupid statement. DU had no input in the squad he inherited. there were at least 4 players brought in we didn't need, and the positions we were desperate to cover we never did. that goes from SW and RK right to the top, everyone of them should be accountable.
Martina was a RK player,as was Siggurdson .if walsh had a hand in this fiasco, then he should go. but to say RK would have struggled as much as DU is a stupid statement. DU had no input in the squad he inherited. there were at least 4 players brought in we didn't need, and the positions we were desperate to cover we never did. that goes from SW and RK right to the top, everyone of them should be accountable.
to even try to bring DU into that fiasco reeks of desperation or lack of common sense.
It isnt, both had no chance given our striking limitations. Believe it or not Koeman did have a plan, the plan revolved around getting a target man, it was a pivotal piece that wasnt ever completed so we'll never no. People go on about Martina like its a big deal, it was a freebie as cover, big deal. Sigurdsson was expensive but he is the best at doing what Koeman wanted, set piece delivery to a target man, which he never got, the rest as they say is history.he put everything on Giroud, never a good idea, and i would rather pay some cold hard cash for a decent defender, who would then make coleman play for his place, than a cheap and cheerful limited player. as I said, we spent money on players we didn't need and failed to get those we did. either way. nothing DU could do about that, but RK had the option to change plans before the window shut. no comparison really?
he put everything on Giroud, never a good idea, and i would rather pay some cold hard cash for a decent defender, who would then make coleman play for his place, than a cheap and cheerful limited player. as I said, we spent money on players we didn't need and failed to get those we did. either way. nothing DU could do about that, but RK had the option to change plans before the window shut. no comparison really?Okay if thats your belief thats fine. Koeman stated he wanted Giroud, but also confirmed the board felt the 2nd, 3rd and 4th options were too expensive (I bet they look cheap now). If you think spending money on a right back to compete when we have 1 of the best in the league/Europe is the correct way forward then who am I to argue with competition for places, but considering they wouldn't fork out for a striker we desperately needed, I think I know what the boards response might have been.
Pleased to find out Unsworth isn’t getting the job.
He failed his trial and IMO would be better off going into the lower leagues or non league to get some real experience of managing a proper first team if he wants to be a premier league football manager
Pleased to find out Unsworth isn’t getting the job.Why?
He failed his trial and IMO would be better off going into the lower leagues or non league to get some real experience of managing a proper first team if he wants to be a premier league football manager
Pleased to find out Unsworth isnt getting the job.his trial consisted of 1 day to prepare for Chelsea away, then trips to Leicester and lyon with a team with 0 confidence, he probably won his only real winnable game.
He failed his trial and IMO would be better off going into the lower leagues or non league to get some real experience of managing a proper first team if he wants to be a premier league football manager
his trial consisted of 1 day to prepare for Chelsea away, then trips to Leicester and lyon with a team with 0 confidence, he probably won his only real winnable game.
give Unsworth til Jan, if he;s done well let him spend some dosh, if not, bring in Tuchel or Silva.
Works with a better class of player in u23s, how many non or lower league managers have become a success ?
This is simply not true.Some clubs have found promoting from within has been very beneficial. Liverpool . Barcelona. Real...i would say if the DoF is working in tandem with Unsworth, it could work, maybe even surpass what we would expect. It's a gamble of course, but so was Martinez and Koeman.
Less than 10% of u23 players make it in the football league, this was a stat printed in the guardian.
So o say u23 is a higher standard of player is completely wrong.
Furthermore, there isn’t the same pressure or consequences managing a kids team at a big club with plenty of resources Than managing a Real first team where results matter and you have to find the talent and keep them motivated and happy within the confines of a budget.
What Eddie Howe has achieved is far greater than Unsworth.
It shows how far Everton have fallen if David Unsworth is even being considered for the job
Would people be feeling differently if the Watford game was Unsworth's first game in charge? (as it should've been if we'd timed the Koeman sacking intelligently). I suspect a fair few people would. But we've ruined his chances by giving him three hard away games to start with. Top stuff by the powers that be.
This is simply not true.the 10% (if thats true)of under 23s that make it are of a much higher level than any non or lower league player, and can be trained to a much higher level also.hence thats why we have currently the best under 23 team/squad at the moment. how many others have gone into their 1st teams ?
Less than 10% of u23 players make it in the football league, this was a stat printed in the guardian.
So o say u23 is a higher standard of player is completely wrong.
Furthermore, there isn’t the same pressure or consequences managing a kids team at a big club with plenty of resources Than managing a Real first team where results matter and you have to find the talent and keep them motivated and happy within the confines of a budget.
What Eddie Howe has achieved is far greater than Unsworth.
It shows how far Everton have fallen if David Unsworth is even being considered for the job
the 10% (if thats true)of under 23s that make it are of a much higher level than any non or lower league player, and can be trained to a much higher level also.hence thats why we have currently the best under 23 team/squad at the moment. how many others have gone into their 1st teams ?
also there is pressure to attain positive results in all forms of coaching and employment and especially at a competitive enviroment, otherwise there is no point to coach or train.
what has eddie howe actually acheived ? hes kept a team in the league with a league win rate of 35ish%
unsworth league win rate is 66%, cant argue with the stats
and it just shows you how low we've got to be even contemplating, allerdyce, dyche or howe
Wish he’d played the same way (as Chelsea and Lyon) in all 4 games but with just minor tweaks.
Howe was being bandied about as a potential long term successor for Wenger last year. To compare his win % with Unsworth and ask what has he achieved is a bit silly imo. I'm not exactly saying Howe is all that as the media do, little old Bournemouth have spent quite a bit of money. However, he guided them to a top half finish last year, plays attractive football and has had big results against big teams such as United, Chelsea and the likemaybe i was a tad unfair on howe, but i wasnt the one who started presenting percentages, i just gave an answer in this way as that was the structure of the post. but as you say, howe as an affinity with his club, unsworth with mine. to be dismissed simply because a person doesnt like him is ridiculous
My worry with Howe is I think a large part of the success is that he has an affinity with that club, having played there for years too. He has had years to understand how they work which would have helped.
To disregard the achievements of a guy that has took a club on the brink of relegation from the whole football league and took them from League 2 to the Prem and to compare his record with that of Unsworth's is a farce to be honest. To imply that Unsworth is a better option due to his 66% win rate in the premier league (from 3 games) is a wind up.
Are you on a wind up?
Would people be feeling differently if the Watford game was Unsworth's first game in charge? (as it should've been if we'd timed the Koeman sacking intelligently). I suspect a fair few people would. But we've ruined his chances by giving him three hard away games to start with. Top stuff by the powers that be.
To be fair he's still trying to unpick the tactical and squad mess he's been left with. At least he's not failing and making the same mistakes.
He seems like he wanta a high press. That's all well and good but we also have a defence that wants to sit deep so that leaves a big gap between our midfield and the defence which is where the opposition can pick us off easily
Would people be feeling differently if the Watford game was Unsworth's first game in charge? (as it should've been if we'd timed the Koeman sacking intelligently). I suspect a fair few people would. But we've ruined his chances by giving him three hard away games to start with. Top stuff by the powers that be.
He's odds on now. Shortest price there's been on anyone on betfair.As time goes on it looks more and more likely Unsworth until the end of the season or until Jan, think we should see how we get on against Palace now
I voted for him. I am a little worried that it might be a decision based on sentiment rather than wisdom though.
Wonder if we'd won without the stirring comeback he'd have got less marks for that. We signed rooney blinded by the romance of it. Hope it's not the same with unsworth
HAHAHaHA!!!! What a load of tosh. Can't stop laughing at this.
I'm hopeful after we beat Palace, he'll get the contract until the end of the season now.I think after we lose to Palace, he’ll be out the picture.
Surely, we're running out of barrels to scrape.
Unsworth is the most impressive English coach not managing a first team prior to taking reins. He's made brave decisions and he's shown a clear direction in how he wants the team to play and develop. For a team drained of confidence when he came in, poor defensively, no goals, he'd lost his first 3 games, we were 2-0 down at home and he didn't falter or panic, and things came good. Maybe some luck with keeper, but Lennon non penalty and few other moments that could have gone differently in other games before then.
We look more stable at the back, and pose much more of a threat going forward. Now he has a week to get players together for coaching and team building. 4 games in 13 days was a baptism of fire, first 3 away against very good opposition.
No mate. Sacking a manager at a specific time to give the caretaker/new manager the best possible chance to start well (ie more winnable games) is genuinely a thing. That's not even an opinion or one side of a debate. It's something that happens all the time, and something that boards consider.
You wanted him sacked for so long and then complain we didn't keep him longer to give Unsworth a chance. Again, what a load of tosh.
You know that's not what I'm saying, but you're being a knob deliberately. Jog on mate.
What is that statement based on about Unsie being the best English coach out there? Forgive my ignorance I dont follow English coaches a great deal, I know he did okay with the under 23s but not much else?
And we've conceded 9 goals in the 4 games in charge, I suppose its open to interpretation but that doesnt strike me as being more stable?
There is that rubbish again about spending £140m.
Can't you tell I was being facetious, sarcastic? :eh:
We did spend £140m, that bit was true.
I'm really disappointed in Unsworth. I thought we'd at least be organized and difficult to play against but Palace opened us up quite easily today.
I'm not surprised at all, he has been completely undermined by the board throughout the passing weeks.
Diddums
Our defence is so slow and leggy that it'd be suicidal to push up. So then we have to defend deeper, which results in us losing the battle for possession and territory. Then we don't have a playmaking midfielder who can run things in the middle, so the midfield ends up being a bit chaotic and backs to the wall.
And then we don't have speed merchants like Zaha to be really good on the break.
The more I look at it, the more I wonder how you can set this group of players up to play effectively for a run of games.
The thing I find quite strange, is that we've not actually lost or sold any of the defenders we had last season. Koeman persisted with Keane right up until he was sacked. Unsworth came in and put Jags and Williams together in the cup games, but both league games he's played Keane as well.You only said yesterday we look much more settled and better in defence?
I really thought that would be the most obvious thing that needed changing. Even if only to settle defence, just bring in the players we had last year, and keep Keane on the bench, or build a relationship out the side.
Maybe both Koeman and Unsworth think its more a confidence issue than a pace thing and it could be. But when this was a problem early in season, I couldn't imagine I'd still be seeing the same problems now, with the same personnel, especially when last season this was not a major issue.
We're getting goals and we've got 4 points from last 2 games, but defensively we're still a sitting duck and the only thing we've changed this season, we still haven't changed back.
You only said yesterday we look much more settled and better in defence?
Think people underestimate how much we miss Coleman.
Plays a big part in keeping us organised.
For me it's a dysfunctional left hand side that more of a problem. Baines is a shadow of his former self. Also Coleman was starting to get stick before his injury. I don't think we can expect too much from him when he returns.Is someone missing Mirallas however veiled it may be ,that's how it sounds.😅
Our defence is so slow and leggy that it'd be suicidal to push up. So then we have to defend deeper, which results in us losing the battle for possession and territory. Then we don't have a playmaking midfielder who can run things in the middle, so the midfield ends up being a bit chaotic and backs to the wall.You’ve changed your tune. Called this ages ago and you slaughtered me, said I was a miserable sod cos you still had designs on challenging the top 6.
And then we don't have speed merchants like Zaha to be really good on the break.
The more I look at it, the more I wonder how you can set this group of players up to play effectively for a run of games.
Is someone missing Mirallas however veiled it may be ,that's how it sounds.
No. I'm not in the camp that wants to vilify him though. Find it a little absurd.I like the guy ...present situation aside(as we really have no clue).
A good transfer window will help solve a great deal of problems. Hope we can get one.
We've said this the last three transfer windows
A manager who understands tactics would be a good start.
Unsworth looked lost again, we didn’t adapt to the deteriorating pitch which Palace did.
Didn’t adapt the formation to pick up Townsend or zaha.
Team selection garbage, it’s clear as mud Arron Lennon is average at best so why keep picking him when he offers so little.
Back to kids football for Unsy, with no pressure, where your all mates, where you can take it easy and tactics and results don’t actually matter.
In a team so desperately lacking quality, it is outrageous not to play Rooney.I take it you were nowhere near Goodison then for the Watford game? Wayne was embarrassingly bad and got hauled off by Unsie. Hardly surprising he was not selected today don't you think?
In a team so desperately lacking quality, it is outrageous not to play Rooney.The ball was given away plenty today ...why did we need Rooney ?...he's going to China or Mls.
Unbeaten in 2 haha
He's had much less time, got more out of the team than Koeman, who's an experienced manager, used to big squad changes. I think the position he's taken over and with board adding to huge problems, its made the very difficult, near impossible.
I think time will show he's a better manager than most managers we're linked with, Silva, Dyche etc.
I take it you were nowhere near Goodison then for the Watford game? Wayne was embarrassingly bad and got hauled off by Unsie. Hardly surprising he was not selected today don't you think?
I'd be interested to know if people would be more impressed by winning title with Olympiacos, Celtic or our U23s.
Understand a lot of people think U23s doesn't count as real football, but find it a bit bizarre how little appreciation there is for what he did with U23s
He's had much less time, got more out of the team than Koeman, who's an experienced manager, used to big squad changes. I think the position he's taken over and with board adding to huge problems, its made the very difficult, near impossible.
I think time will show he's a better manager than most managers we're linked with, Silva, Dyche etc.
Four weeks ago we would have gotten thrashed by them.
I'd be interested to know if people would be more impressed by winning title with Olympiacos, Celtic or our U23s.
Understand a lot of people think U23s doesn't count as real football, but find it a bit bizarre how little appreciation there is for what he did with U23s
I don't see it. I voted for unsworth but we've been getting gradually worse in terms of performance. The palace game was shambolic. 3 nil would have been a fairer result. Absolutely no confidence in him now3 nil ? How ? We scored 2 and speroni pulled 3 goal bound saves off. Perfomance is much better. There seems a temparary halt to being absolutely being rolled over and rogered royally
Dont bring me good generals, bring me lucky generals
They pretty much did thrash us in terms of performance. The result was luck not judgement
Celtic or Olympiakos a thousand times over, obviously.
If you can tell me another manager whos won something at u-21/23 level Ill be blown away. Nobody gives a shit.
Its like if a striker scores at youth level - great, nice to hear, good sign certainly but the minute hes got his big boy pants on all that evaporates and its time to prove yourself for real.
3 nil ? How ? We scored 2 and speroni pulled 3 goal bound saves off. Perfomance is much better. There seems a temparary halt to being absolutely being rolled over and rogered royally
Celtic or Olympiakos a thousand times over, obviously.
If you can tell me another manager who’s won something at u-21/23 level I’ll be blown away. Nobody gives a shit.
It’s like if a striker scores at youth level - great, nice to hear, good sign certainly but the minute he’s got his big boy pants on all that evaporates and it’s time to prove yourself for real.
Dont bring me good generals, bring me lucky generals
I might be wrong but I think Klopp , Nagelsman , Tuechal and Wagner were all youth team managers before their respective clubs gave them a chance . Sadly most Evertonians think we are bigger than Dortmund ,Mainz and Hoffenheim but not Olympiakos , Hull , Estoril or Watford . I agree it may seem too much for Unsworth at the minute but I don't think we need another wrong fit , at least till the summer .
Well the 2 goals we scored certainly weren't by our own design. Not sure about these saves i genuinely don't remember them although DCL did miss a decent chanceWe had 60% possesion against leicester, so that really counts for nothing does it really, cause if you dont score , then whats the use in it ?
I thought we were terrible. Palace had 70% possession created numberous good situations.
Did people really think that was a good performance? Happy enough with a point but I thought we just got extremely lucky
It's more competitive than Scottish or Greek leagues, and we weren't favourites or have best team.We had a 26 year old striker with plenty of first team experience banging them in for half the season and, to quote one opposing manager, "the three best midfielders of the age group in the country".
Give martinez 3/4 windows, give koeman 3/4 windows. Whats unsworth got ? F***all from some on here. 3 weeks ago we were 2nd from bottom, cut the guy a bit of slack ffs. He knows whats needed more than any outsider. And im sure hes feeling has much as all too
They pretty much did thrash us in terms of performance. The result was luck not judgement
Oh Lor! Tell us what you see in dear Unsie which gives you any hope? (Do not say "he gets us")
Oh Lor! Tell us what you see in dear Unsie which gives you any hope? (Do not say "he gets us")not saying he gets us at all, he inherited a downtrodden, well beaten, and probably, quite humiliated squad, with not an ounce of fight left in them.he cant be blamed for the position the team was in when he took over, since then they have started to scrap and at times look out for each other on the pitch.he has took us up the table out of the relegation zone, certainly not out of the fight though.for a caretaker, winning 1 drawing 1 and losing 1 is certainly not a bad record, we are scoring more, still conceding , but a lot less. he's just a caretaker at the mo and doesnt have the luxury of a transfer market, and still some are tearing him apart like he is the highest paid manager weve had, get a grip, he's the CARETAKER, and until the board move their arse and produce the next pep or jose, get behind him or shut the fuck up
Well the 2 goals we scored certainly weren't by our own design. Not sure about these saves i genuinely don't remember them although DCL did miss a decent chance
I thought we were terrible. Palace had 70% possession created numberous good situations.
Did people really think that was a good performance? Happy enough with a point but I thought we just got extremely lucky
Just because its worked for others doesnt mean thats a universal solution, I think you have to look at every case individually, in this instance Unsworth has shown little to evidence that hes the right person IMO. I think he gets a little lost, were making loads of subs at half time, or not far into the second half, formations are changing all the time. You could look at as adapting or is it cause he got it woefully wrong in the first place?
Hes the CARETAKER
More like the UNDERTAKER given how negative and awful his tactics are never mind his team selection and total inability to respond to whats going on in the game.
Im a bit concerned about him going back to the u23s based on what Ive seen of him so far, no wonder its widely regarded that U23s football is a million miles away from premier league football.
Be honest about the performances under Unsworthhave you been there all season ? because perfomances has been absolute dreadful ALL season. do you think all it takes is a magic wand to heal it ? we are in a better positon now under unsworth than we were with koeman ,it seems you have your view of things and your view alone, which comes across as its personal rather than knowledge based, as you call him names and say you wouldnt put him back in the u23s, the team he won the title with, wow that beats me that
They have been dreadful
I’m sorry, why can’t people call a spade a spade and stop making excuses for poor old Unsie
Unsie is awful lads
Best to call a spade a spade and take the blue tinted specs off v
I've had my doubts about Rhino and his starting squads ...he's still playing safe for an hour then going for the win ,still leaving out players who have made a difference Beni ,Vlasic ...but instead of appointing a wrong un now id still give him till at least Christmas ....and tell the squad that too .i dont know whats happened with vlasic, he certainly was one of the only bright spots this season, maybe not cutting it in training, beni is very good , but is this the only time he's been out of the squad since coming in ?
We had 60% possesion against leicester, so that really counts for nothing does it really, cause if you dont score , then whats the use in it ?
You thought we had played well on Saturday? 70% is the number people were ruling dyche out for because that's what Liverpool had against Burnley. We couldn't get the ball off the bottom club and unlike us against Leicester they looked extremely threateningit was always going to be a backs to the wall job down there though,they are in front of their own fans, they are scrapping as much as us, they know we are lacking almost everything at the moment, their tales were up after the chelsea game, they are going to throw everything and the kitchen sink at us, to get point under them conditions was a result in my eyes.you can have all the possession you want, without end product its useless, surely
Everton committed 26 fouls during the Palace game, the most of any team in Europe’s top five leagues on Saturday.
Palace held 68.5% of possession.
Palace out-passed Everton 539-250.
Everton completed 65.6% of its passes.
26.4% of Everton’s passes were long balls.
Everton were forced into 34 tackles.
Sticking with Everton’s passing stats, the final data point of note was that Jordan Pickford was Everton’s top pass completion player against the Eagles.
He's the guy that brought Beni in and gave him his first game, just didn't think he was right against Palace, he wa hardly playing safe giving Beni a start.They way our midfield was playing ..trying an untested youth was playing safe at the time 😅
They way out midfield was playing ..trying an untested youth was playing safe at the time 😅
No doubt its not going great, but he inherited a broken team that previous manager was publicly calling shit.
He's been only stable influence at club in past couple of weeks, and fans are running him down because of fear.
If we treated young players like some fans have treated Unsworth, I wouldn't expect any to make it.
Whether he can do it or not, people are trying to make sure he can't, through fear or whatever.
Those stats are fucking shocking
You thought we had played well on Saturday? 70% is the number people were ruling dyche out for because that's what Liverpool had against Burnley. We couldn't get the ball off the bottom club and unlike us against Leicester they looked extremely threateningNever said we have played well, if you show me where ive stated that i will gladly change it
It's like Barcelona playing a side at the bottom. People are actually claiming it was a good performance too. We were dreadful. I don't see any sign of anything getting any better.
Never said we have played well, if you show me where ive stated that i will gladly change it
Celtic or Olympiakos a thousand times over, obviously.
If you can tell me another manager who’s won something at u-21/23 level I’ll be blown away. Nobody gives a shit.
It’s like if a striker scores at youth level - great, nice to hear, good sign certainly but the minute he’s got his big boy pants on all that evaporates and it’s time to prove yourself for real.
Finally a post that puts honesty first, well said.
But it isn't honest is it . It is a fucking exaggeration because Koeman has left us equal to Palace and that was plain for all to see .
Equal to palace? I'd be interested to see the stats of our game against the stats of the Barca game or the city game. We got a draw but we didn't look equal to palace in the slightest
I think people are in utte denial at the moment. Transition suggests it's changing. It's not. It's dreadful week in and week out and unless someone major changes it's not we could go down it's we probably will. We've placed 12 games and not been comfortably the better side in a half yet
No one is in denial and I wasn't in denial over Koeman either . But we won't go down as their is some utter shite in and around us .
We are utter shite. 13 games in and we haven't been really good in a single half of football.How long have you been following the blues ? Just that i used to stand in the enclosure in thd 80s with a group of lads from burnley
We are utter shite. 13 games in and we haven't been really good in a single half of football.
We're not one of those easy on the eye football teams though, and haven't been for a while.
I'd say that last year we mostly looked shit, but were effective in getting results for much of the season
Yes we've been horrible to watch this season but that doesn't automatically mean you will or deserve to lose every game you play.
It's not a recipe for a top 6 challenge, but equally we can play horrible, depressing long ball incohesive shite football and still comfortably avoid relegation.
Only 6 points off 8th remember?
That's refreshing but we can't afford to fall any further behind as we may be only 6 points off 8th the reality is we are only 3 points above the relegation zone
Just because its worked for others doesnt mean thats a universal solution, I think you have to look at every case individually, in this instance Unsworth has shown little to evidence that hes the right person IMO. I think he gets a little lost, were making loads of subs at half time, or not far into the second half, formations are changing all the time. You could look at as adapting or is it cause he got it woefully wrong in the first place?In fairness, Koeman made many subs at half time too.
I agree to a point but we look dreadful at the back too. It's not the style of football it's the quality. I think we are in a lot more trouble than most realise. We are bad rather than not entertaining
I don't disagree with what you say . However , Unsworth started with a hopelessly disjointed team with zero confidence , almost certainly out of Europe and absolutely no style of play . We had to start picking up points and 4 out of a possible 9 is better than the probable zero we would have under Koeman . Confidence is fragile and I agree the way Pickford , Jags and Keane are playing we could so easily ( and maybe should have ) lost our last 2 league games . But we haven't and that transfers some pressure onto the teams around us and 1 point can so easily become 3 against the likes of WBA , Swansea or any other team around us whose fans are getting on the teams back . Till the board make a decision the fans owe it to the team to get behind them and lift performances instead of righting us off .
Unsworth is the best man for the job by far.
He was not responsible for summer signings and the discordant performances he inherited just three weeks ago. Consider the last matches against good opposition away from home, with Crystal Palace also now showing good performances under Hodgeson. Only ONE fixture at home - that Everton won in spectacular fashion after an epic second half performance. Keep a perspective on what he has had to face and give the man the chance to show his mettle!
Next match also away ... this has been a really difficult run of games and no manager would have sorted it out in such a short space of time. He needs the board's backing - and also the fans for all his work. There are no magic managers ready to wave a magic wand. He needs the backing of the board right now ...otherwise they undermine his position with the staff and players.
Clearly the board are not giving Unsie the job or why would they keep him and everyone waiting for so long? Pulis would make more sense than Unsworth. There is no comparison in terms of know how and experience. I don't want Pulis for obvious reasons, but if he and Unsie were the only candidates on the planet, then Pulis gets it. Horrible prospect for sure but I am certain neither are in the running anyway.Why would Pulis make more sense 2 wins in 22 versus Rhino's 2 wins in what six matches .
I think you're delusional. Spectacular implies brilliance. The game was exciting and it was a good comeback but we got extremely lucky. If their keeper doesn't get injured we get beat comfortably in all probability. If they score their penalty we definitely don't win
Also palace are a good team now? Based on what? They dominated us too/ the stats are truly horrible. The sort of numbers Barca rack up in terms of passing and possession.
The only game we played well in was the Chelsea game. I'm really not sure what you're seeing in them performances which shows us improving or unsworth winning any tactical battles
Why the fuck you keep banging on about Barcelona style possession I just don't know . I do know they beat Chelsea , drew with WHU and lost by the odd goal away at Spurs and Newcastle . Woy has got them organised but when you start getting bonus points for possession it may become relevant .
My point is they were better than us by some way. By all means tell me what you saw in that game that suggests unsworth is getting it right. We were crap and got lucky.
I think you're delusional. Spectacular implies brilliance. The game was exciting and it was a good comeback but we got extremely lucky. If their keeper doesn't get injured we get beat comfortably in all probability. If they score their penalty we definitely don't win
Also palace are a good team now? Based on what? They dominated us too/ the stats are truly horrible. The sort of numbers Barca rack up in terms of passing and possession.
The only game we played well in was the Chelsea game. I'm really not sure what you're seeing in them performances which shows us improving or unsworth winning any tactical battles
He has got 4 points and given the state we are in I don't care how we get them . Luck by the way is exactly what we need at the minute .Had we appointed anyone else and they had got the same results I bet you would be saying give him time .
That's funny. lolol You seem to me like a Joey Barton tribute act. If you want to see delusional, look in a mirror. "If they score their penalty we definitely don't win." - Really! What amazing insight you have. Barca? - You liken Palace to Barca and call me delusional? shakeyheadman- Thanks for the laugh!
There's a grey area between the idiot who thinks he's the best option by a distance (that's you) and the idiot who thinks he's too fat to manage (that's Barton)
Of course and I'm delighted with the 4 points. Just not sure the signs are good in terms of the team getting any better
Had we appointed someone we'd had no option but to give them time. Letting it drag on with unsworth then giving it someone else just wastes a lot of time though
the stats are truly horrible. The sort of numbers Barca rack up in terms of passing and possession.
Bournemouth 4-0 Huddersfield TownBarcelona like possession from Huddersfield there .
Possession - Bourne' 31% / Hudd' 69%
Just saying ...
If you think that's clever, there's a grey area missing between your ears. Don't begin a reply with an insult. This is meant to be debate.
Peace!
Bournemouth 4-0 Huddersfield Town
Possession - Bourne' 31% / Hudd' 69%
Just saying ...
Bournemouth 4-0 Huddersfield Town
Possession - Bourne' 31% / Hudd' 69%
Just saying ...
Sorry about the insult xx
Seriously? Didn't see that 1 coming. Obviously the stats never tell the whole story but we were pretty bad.
https://twitter.com/footballfactman/status/933076851215491072 (https://twitter.com/footballfactman/status/933076851215491072)
Have you watched the game against Palace?Would we have taken those 4 points under koeman? Not a chance. The players have shown spirit to come back and get those results. He's come in to a total mess, he hasn't had a full week with the squad to prepare for games, it's been interrupted by European games and international breaks, I think he's done ok and got some results. You're mad if you think someone is going to come in and fix that defence immediately. He's had 1 home game and won it. The rest have been mostly tough away games to Chelsea, lyon, Leicester and an improving palace.
It's not only the stats were shocking. The whole performance was painful to watch. It was fifth game under Unsworth and probably the worst. There's no improvement and no sign of it, quite the opposite. There's a real threat of getting relegated if this circus continues. 4 points out of 6 argument is plain silly. We were unbelievably lucky but you can't count on luck long term.
Beni Baningime has looked head and shoulders above every other defensive mid this season. He deserves a start ahead of all of them imo. He looks the real deal.Disagree entirely. He shone briefly like all the kids have done and will get his opportunity eventually. Head and shoulders over the other not very good performers? Deffo No.
Beni Baningime has looked head and shoulders above every other defensive mid this season. He deserves a start ahead of all of them imo. He looks the real deal.
abso-fucking-lutely. The middle of the pitch was a shambles without him last weekend.
It was a shambles with him as well vs Chelsea reservesSee some still spouting Chelsea reserves shite to add to their vendetta...is a constant giggle .👏👏.about four were reserves ...that half the prem can't afford but what ever makes your argument coherent. 👍
The kid needs time, to say he was head and shoulders ahead of his team mates is dillusonal.
Hopefully he makes it as a premier league player
The players have shown spirit to come back and get those results.
Yes I agree. Just thought that stat of 4 points off 8th was a bit daft
Would we have taken those 4 points under koeman? Not a chance. The players have shown spirit to come back and get those results. He's come in to a total mess, he hasn't had a full week with the squad to prepare for games, it's been interrupted by European games and international breaks, I think he's done ok and got some results. You're mad if you think someone is going to come in and fix that defence immediately. He's had 1 home game and won it. The rest have been mostly tough away games to Chelsea, lyon, Leicester and an improving palace.
I feel for Rhino. He was put on the spot by the board. And knowing that he is still in charge just because those mugs can't sort out the replacement doesn't help him.
You must be joking. Gifts from the ref, Speroni and Cleverley gave us those results. Good luck to you if you hope performances like that will get us results long term.
I didn't think he would fix the mess (and that's why I wasn't overly enthusiastic about sacking Koeman). It was a bit naive to hope that U23 coach would be better than the manager who had finished 7th, 6th and 7th in his 3 years in the prem. You'll never know till you try though. He tried and it's obvious hes just not ready. Game against Chelsea was his best, from then we've been degrading with every game.
I feel for Rhino. He was put on the spot by the board. And knowing that he is still in charge just because those mugs can't sort out the replacement doesn't help him.
This phase I think puts Unsworth in a strange position. He's been in charge of the first team long enough that if he were to go back now to U23s then it would seem like a demotion. Plus he's already won whatever he can win at that level. Obviously it doesn't make his position at U23 untenable, but if he has managerial aspirations then I'd say he has to go within the next 6-12 months.
Do yourself a favour and look at Koemans results as a Manager . He has long losing streaks and slow starts to the season everywhere but in Holland . You really need to compare that to Unsworths 5 games on which you seem to be judging him. I understand you don't want him as Manager but talking shite doesn't help your argument . Koeman was/is an awful Manager .
It"s you who's talking shite mate.Surely deeper shit would be the same points RK left us with after the six games or so.
Koeman is not an "awful manager", but he underperformed badly this season and nobody can complain about his dismissal. The problem is not that he was sacked but that he was sacked without a plan. Now we are in deeper shit than a month ago and I"m blaming Moshiri and Kenwright for that, not Unsworth. He"s just a victim of their amateurish actions. That doesn't mean he"s capable to manage Everton though.
Its you who's talking shite mate.
Koeman is not an "awful manager", but he underperformed badly this season and nobody can complain about his dismissal. The problem is not that he was sacked but that he was sacked without a plan. Now we are in deeper shit than a month ago and Im blaming Moshiri and Kenwright for that, not Unsworth. Hes just a victim of their amateurish actions. That doesn't mean hes capable to manage Everton though.
You must be joking. Gifts from the ref, Speroni and Cleverley gave us those results. Good luck to you if you hope performances like that will get us results long term.The 5 goals in the 2 games not give us the results then no? No manager is coming in to this team and automatically getting quality performances out of them.
I didn't think he would fix the mess (and that's why I wasn't overly enthusiastic about sacking Koeman). It was a bit naive to hope that U23 coach would be better than the manager who had finished 7th, 6th and 7th in his 3 years in the prem. You'll never know till you try though. He tried and it's obvious hes just not ready. Game against Chelsea was his best, from then we've been degrading with every game.
I feel for Rhino. He was put on the spot by the board. And knowing that he is still in charge just because those mugs can't sort out the replacement doesn't help him.
The 5 goals in the 2 games not give us the results then no? No manager is coming in to this team and automatically getting quality performances out of them.
The truth is though they were pretty inept performances.In total agreement mate, they fought for him though and got results - we lose both under Koeman, 100%
In total agreement mate, they fought for him though and got results - we lose both under Koeman, 100%
Maybe but I'm not sure it's a sign that unsworth is the right man for the jobIm not saying he is, I think he could be short term. People slagging him off saying hes not good enough and all this, don't know what they expected from him so quickly.
Im not saying he is, I think he could be short term. People slagging him off saying hes not good enough and all this, don't know what they expected from him so quickly.
He's made us worse.He needs to fuck off back to the u23s. Awful
Some achievement that
Someone still thinks he needs more time?Yeah in the u23s
Someone still thinks he needs more time?
Someone still thinks he needs more time?
We're a hell of a lot worse now than when he took overI'd say equally as shit.
He was shafted, but yeah, clearly that most the players aren't bothered.
No manager is going to get team playing, while board is not backing.
It doesn't matter now why he couldn't stamp his authority on the team, this isn't going to work out.Why the he'll do we not have a manager in yet. Fooking clueless top to bottom.
We need someone else in and soon. Preferably two weeks ago.
It doesn't matter now why he couldn't stamp his authority on the team, this isn't going to work out.
We need someone else in and soon. Preferably two weeks ago.
Why the he'll do we not have a manager in yet. Fooking clueless top to bottom.
But mostly at the top. Only they have the power to fix this.Bill and Ben the flowerpot men really have no clue what they are doing. How the hell moshri made his money I'll never know as his decision making for everton has been so bad.
The performances under Unsworth have been getting worse and worse with every game that has passed. The job is far too big for him.
The doom mongers are in full throat. I can't find it in me to say anything much anymore, except we have been here before and not that many years ago. Nobody on the planet (except a liar) saw this collapse coming...........can't give you a like ......but well put.
We were quite good against Chelsea. Everyone was hopeful. Palace and this have been more inept than the Arsenal game by some distance
The doom mongers are in full throat. I can't find it in me to say anything much anymore, except we have been here before and not that many years ago. Nobody on the planet (except a liar) saw this collapse coming.
https://twitter.com/Everton/status/933824832990531584
The doom mongers are in full throat. I can't find it in me to say anything much anymore, except we have been here before and not that many years ago. Nobody on the planet (except a liar) saw this collapse coming.Who gives a fuck whether anyone could see it coming. We are the supporters so I’d say from the point of view of an outsider which is what we are, we all knew Lukaku was going and surely the people on the inside knew the weaknesses, if they didn’t, then they are incompetent and if they did, which we have to presume they did, why the fuck wasn’t it addressed when the transfer window was open. So whether we seen it or not, or even lied and said we did when we didn’t, doesn’t really matter an ounce of shit.
No manager has made a success of a job, without any clarity on their position, while board chase every option around.
Doesn't matter how good a manager he is, players downed tools because they don;t expect him to be there for long.
There have been some promising signs but then he’s undermined them with “macho” substations or tweaks.
Then the constant changing of formation, both at the start of matches and then within them isn’t providing any continuity.
We should have been looking to be solid in every game right until the end.
If that meant some boring 0-0s so be it; at least we’d have confidence that we’d sorted the defence.
The naive belief that you can just have more of a go at this level, especially when you’re at rock bottom confidence wise as it is, has stopped us building anything remotely positive.
But he's trying to win the job as he's going from game to game.
He couldn't afford to be too negative, because it's clear that board didn't fancy him, as they've avoided giving him the job at every opportunity.
We're hiring Allardyce, aren't we?
https://twitter.com/Everton/status/933831082268602368He talks a great game but its just not happening...
I didn't think tonight was really about players being particularly gutless. The team set up was not right. There was no cohesion in pressing and the personnel didn't suit the shape.
What was he thinking bringing Feeney on.
Exactly, I said this at the time.
Lookman, Vlasic, and DCL absolutely, but not an 18 year-old CB coming on for his debut at RB against a useful side that already had their tails up.
But he's trying to win the job as he's going from game to game.
He couldn't afford to be too negative, because it's clear that board didn't fancy him, as they've avoided giving him the job at every opportunity.
Well it would have been more endearing than 1-2; 0-2; 0-3 ;)
It just seems like, it is as feared, that inexperienced mistakes are being highlighted at this level.
Harsh on him yes, but he stated he wanted the job so that’s what it’s like at this level, intense scrutiny all the time.
We must have changed formation 3/4 times in the second half alone tonight, that’s very hard to keep up with even if you’re full of confidence. And we’ve yet to see the best set up / mix of styles in the starting xi (Chelsea away) repeated, which is a bit odd.
And I don’t buy that the players aren’t trying; even tonight we could have equalised, before we collapsed, with Keane’s header but it was the Feeney sub that really let the wheels come off.
Looking at the pictures from training it appears that the players like his sessions but that could simply mean that he’s a coach rather than a manager.
Well it would have been more endearing than 1-2; 0-2; 0-3 ;)
It just seems like, it is as feared, that inexperienced mistakes are being highlighted at this level.
Harsh on him yes, but he stated he wanted the job so that’s what it’s like at this level, intense scrutiny all the time.
We must have changed formation 3/4 times in the second half alone tonight, that’s very hard to keep up with even if you’re full of confidence. And we’ve yet to see the best set up / mix of styles in the starting xi (Chelsea away) repeated, which is a bit odd.
And I don’t buy that the players aren’t trying; even tonight we could have equalised, before we collapsed, with Keane’s header but it was the Feeney sub that really let the wheels come off.
Looking at the pictures from training it appears that the players like his sessions but that could simply mean that he’s a coach rather than a manager.
Missed the second half of this, and most of the first half actually. What happened with e Feeney sub? Why was he put on at RB? Or was that the cause of the goals..?
It would be wrong for the club to allow Unsworth to return to the U23s, he has shown himself to be tactically clueless, awful at team selection and totally incapable of impacting a game.
Everton need to move away from romanticising and giving old players jobs for the sake of it and give our players especially the U23 players the best person for the job.
Got nothing against the bloke as a person but as a football club member of staff he has been found out
It would be wrong for the club to allow Unsworth to return to the U23s, he has shown himself to be tactically clueless, awful at team selection and totally incapable of impacting a game.
Everton need to move away from romanticising and giving old players jobs for the sake of it and give our players especially the U23 players the best person for the job.
Got nothing against the bloke as a person but as a football club member of staff he has been found out
Is this a wind up ? If so not funny, he had the U23's playing out of their skins last season and won the league, have you not seen any of his lads from the U23s ? ah what's the point with you...
Missed the second half of this, and most of the first half actually. What happened with e Feeney sub? Why was he put on at RB? Or was that the cause of the goals..?
Any manager watching that last night will think at least twice about coming here now.
I would think a potential manager would be thinking
if I turn this around I'll be a hero
if it turns to shit well then the fans will blame the previous management and the board and I'll get out of here unscathed with a nice wedge
win win situation for any new manager I would have thought
https://twitter.com/AHunterGuardian/status/934013519988756481
So what?
He won the league last season. Don't be so absurd and melodramatic.
And what evidence does he have that this hasnt previously been communicated to Unsworth?
As I've said time and time again, Moshiri announcing things via Jim White is both pathetic and worrying.
Whole saga shows how idiotic getting rid of Koeman was.
I never thought he was the right man for the job, but you only get rid of someone if you have a plan in place to bring in someone you think will perform better.
What has followed after his sacking shows that the problems run deeper than the manager. It's lazy and too easy to say "oh Koeman was shit" or now "oh Unsworth is sit".
Whilst in my opinion Koeman wasn't the long term solution, in the absence of a good replacement we'd have done better to keep him for now, trust that he almost certainly would've over time brought some degree of stability in this season, before then reevaluating and maybe recruiting a new manager from a position of greater strength, rather than the freefall shitshow we are now.
After Sunday, we might have a more balanced view about the manager position. If Everton plays well and gets a result, then I would want to see how the team performs against West Ham.
This is not the time to lose your nerve and panic. Last night's result should be kept in perspective. These are still early days - and I expect a big reaction to come from the players.
After Sunday, we might have a more balanced view about the manager position. If Everton plays well and gets a result, then I would want to see how the team performs against West Ham.i was hoping for that last night
This is not the time to lose your nerve and panic. Last night's result should be kept in perspective. These are still early days - and I expect a big reaction to come from the players.
That being true doesn’t ignore the fact that the players aren’t performing as good as they should be.
Although it’s old news when you have players taking the piss like Schneiderlin and Mirallas it shows that the players don’t see him as the manager.
I get that but you’d think with what’s going on the players would pull together. It’s seems the opposite at the moment. And what’s with Unsworth constantly picking Williams? He’s a fucking liability and needs to fuck off.
I would think a potential manager would be thinking
if I turn this around I'll be a hero
if it turns to shit well then the fans will blame the previous management and the board and I'll get out of here unscathed with a nice wedge
win win situation for any new manager I would have thought
There's extenuating circumstances but I don't think he's been treated badly. He's a caretaker manager, and didn't Si said he was told more or less straight away he won't be getting it?
Even the doorman will be quaking in his boots.
And what evidence does he have that this hasnt previously been communicated to Unsworth?
It would be wrong for the club to allow Unsworth to return to the U23s, he has shown himself to be tactically clueless, awful at team selection and totally incapable of impacting a game.
Everton need to move away from romanticising and giving old players jobs for the sake of it and give our players especially the U23 players the best person for the job.
Got nothing against the bloke as a person but as a football club member of staff he has been found out
Going to take a long time for me to get over joe royle entering the tactical area to give advice to unsworth.
Absolute joke of a club.
Anyone still think he's doing a good job then?
I don't think anyone has said he was doing a good job?
I don't think anyone has said he was doing a good job?
But plenty were happy for him to continue until Christmas.
I don't think anyone has said he was doing a good job?
It's really difficult not to like him. Id love him to come in and be a massive success, I've championed him since I seen him play for the ressies when I was about 13, I just worry its too quick for himI still like him as a person and a player from memory but it's defo too quick and I fear for him now
He's been at the club long enough to see Mirralas be awful for 3 different managers. 4 if you include his performances under unsworth himself. Yet still gets selected. Bizarre
His team selections have been horrible. Can't believe rooney and sandro didn't feature today. Can't believe vlasic was frozen out for so long. Can't believe klassen can't even make the squad now.In what remote way would the likes of Sandro and Klassen improve this lot? If for some bizarre reason you think either are good enough for this league and you even more bizarrely can't believe their exclusion, then go ahead and swop one clueless player for another. Those two wonder signings might well be at least as good as say DCL, or Lennon or Mirallas, but they are still crap players. As for the defence, well it picks itself because they are no worse than anyone on the bench.
In what remote way would the likes of Sandro and Klassen improve this lot? If for some bizarre reason you think either are good enough for this league and you even more bizarrely can't believe their exclusion, then go ahead and swop one clueless player for another. Those two wonder signings might well be at least as good as say DCL, or Lennon or Mirallas, but they are still crap players. As for the defence, well it picks itself because they are no worse than anyone on the bench.
The man's just not ready for the job. I really hope people remember how good he was for the under 23's and let him go back to that level.
It's so simple. Play all the new signings in their positions with some of the other better performers and we have a team that will be mid table at least. Why play all the players so out of position in different systems every game. Really just looks like he trying to fluke it.
Difficult when vlasic, Rooney, Klassen, Sigurdson are all vying for the same position
Keeping DCL on today after the first half was unforgivable really. It could have at least gave us a chance of going for a win.Starting both DCL and Mirallas was also clueless!
My biggest problem still is square pegs round holes ....even after the Koeman lessons we have learnt sweet fuck fuck all.
To be honest he deserves 0 flack at all. Its the boards fault. Fair enough Koeman needed to go. But at the point of sacking him you neeeded a plan to get a replacement in. This really wasn't a sack now think later decision. And thats what we've done
He said he wanted the job though so he was going to be judged on that.
Been wondering if he’s been taking some of these risks to try and get like a rousing win out of nowhere, try and keep the job through a mad win kind of thing.
Scariest thing for me though is the big joe involvement. Like what the fuck. The fact unsworth has failed isn’t his fault, he was in a bad position and I’ve made
My feelings clear on how unfair I think that was, but the manner of his errors and the nature of these collapses, and now rumours that it’s really royle picking teams instead of unsworth being trusted...he’s fire bombing his own career here the poor bastard.
feel sorry for him. not his side.. fuck all he can do. we lack pace.. fuck all he can do..
new manager.. still lack pace.. fuck all he can do
Starting both DCL and Mirallas was also clueless!
It's fucking bizarre not featuring more of the new signings. We know the existing players levels. We don't know the newer players. At least there is the potential for them to improve, we know what the maximum performance of Mirallas etc is
feel sorry for him. not his side.. fuck all he can do. we lack pace.. fuck all he can do..
new manager.. still lack pace.. fuck all he can do
someone needs to get info on who did the vast majority of the purchasing.. and why after those signings we didnt get cover for a striking position a left back and CB's
i cant blame unsworth, he inherited a passionless over paid bunch of not giving a fuck stars... most the players seem to be playing for themselves and not for the club/team.
My biggest problem still is square pegs round holes ....even after the Koeman lessons we have learnt sweet fuck fuck all.
Kenny regularly drops way behind the rest of the back line. Hes playing wing back there as well.
Hes been decent lately but thats a massive weakness.
Unsworth has made it worse than Koeman
Under 23 football is a joke
Thing is Unsworth COULD play a balanced team, for some reason he decides to still play players in the wrong positions, it makes no sense. We just need someone to come in and play a system where we have players in the right positions in a formation that suits the playing personnel we have. There's no excuse for playing Mirallas off DCL and Sig on the left of midfield. In fact there's pretty much no excuse for playing Mirallas at all, but if you have to then play him out wide with Sig behind the front man.
We need someone with tactical nouse and the ability to play a proper system. I'm praying we get Dyche in now ASAP, he'll sort it out, he's exactly the right man for the job right now.
Balanced ? Pickford is first choice but fuck me for keeper he has an appalling habit of letting goals in . Kenny and Martina are the only 2 fit LB's 1 inexperienced and 1 poor . CH 1 from 4 Jagielaka is past it , Williams woefully out of form , Keane hasn't settled or is nowhere near good enough and Holgate is untested in that position . RB is Baines who like Jagielka is past his sell by date or one of the previously mentioned out of position . Now for the middle of the park where we are seemingly flooded Gueye needs to focus on one area but is overworked , Schneiderlin out of form and not arsed , Sigurdsson luxury player , Klassen hasn't settled and not good enough , Lennon runs around a lot , Besic would get sent off , McCarthy unfit I assume , Davies 2nd season syndrome , Baningime inexperienced but has done OK . And then their is our alleged strike force Niasse tries his heart out , Rooney is no longer a striker , Mirallas has never been a striker and isn't interested anyway , DCL is I am afraid just not good enough to lead the line , Lookman not experienced enough to warrant a start yet , Vlasic at least looks like a trier but not seen enough really , Ramirez hasn't settled but has looked poor when he has played .
Do you fancy balancing that lot up for me given most if not all have been shite all season long .
Unsworth is completely out of his depth, tactically more clueless than Mike Walker and is completely useless at team selection and pro actively managing a game.
Just think-
How much better prepared for the first team would the U23 players be if they had someone with half a football brain as the team manager?
Really need to rid the club of the likes of Unsworth, Ferguson, Ebrell, Jeffers, etc.
Playing for the club, especially playing for the club and being no more than an average player like Unsworth or Jeffers , or completely crap like John Ebrell should NOT be a ticket to employment at finch farm
Balanced ? Pickford is first choice but fuck me for keeper he has an appalling habit of letting goals in . Kenny and Martina are the only 2 fit LB's 1 inexperienced and 1 poor . CH 1 from 4 Jagielaka is past it , Williams woefully out of form , Keane hasn't settled or is nowhere near good enough and Holgate is untested in that position . RB is Baines who like Jagielka is past his sell by date or one of the previously mentioned out of position . Now for the middle of the park where we are seemingly flooded Gueye needs to focus on one area but is overworked , Schneiderlin out of form and not arsed , Sigurdsson luxury player , Klassen hasn't settled and not good enough , Lennon runs around a lot , Besic would get sent off , McCarthy unfit I assume , Davies 2nd season syndrome , Baningime inexperienced but has done OK . And then their is our alleged strike force Niasse tries his heart out , Rooney is no longer a striker , Mirallas has never been a striker and isn't interested anyway , DCL is I am afraid just not good enough to lead the line , Lookman not experienced enough to warrant a start yet , Vlasic at least looks like a trier but not seen enough really , Ramirez hasn't settled but has looked poor when he has played .
Do you fancy balancing that lot up for me given most if not all have been shite all season long .
That's where a good manager comes in to play, seriously look at Burnley and where they've got with organisation, structure and hard work... same with Brighton. You can blame the players / squad and rightly so but a good manager would sort this out with organisation and structure, it only takes a few decent solid performances to build confidence and you'd then see half the team being completely different in how they perform.
I thought from your post you had the balanced team sorted from that pile of shite .
---Pickford
-Kenny--Jags--Keane--Baines
----Gueye-----
--------------Davies----
----------Sig---
-Lennon------Mirallas / Lookman
----------DCL
How Davies isn't getting a game but Schneiderlin is really baffles me.
yes not all these players are in form or even any good, but a good manager with that set up would do a lot better then a man out of his depth playing half the team out of position! THAT is a balanced team, there's no arguing that IMO, just need a proper manager with good organisation to get the players fighting for the shirt and being well organised.
You would need a fucking miracle with that line up .
in a nutshell.....Pep says hi. Now fuck off.
you'll never get seasoned professionals playing for an under 23 coach...end of story....
herein endeth the lesson...
EFC shouldn't have sacked koeman before having someone else lined up...WE all know that...
Just watched the Southampton press conference after the game.
Unsworth is so honest that I feel terrible for him. The shower of shite on the pitch should all be embarrassed of themselves. You are paid ridiculous amounts of money to kick a pigskin around a pitch. Even if the fuckers are mercenaries and dont give a shit about the club or the supporters, they should still be professional enough to give their best effort for the manager.
Really feel it for unsie,the lads brain must be mashed.All his focus on getting the team playing and moving us up the table.Must have been thinking he could,with a reaction get the job.Clearly loves the club,but maybe he was too close to the first team and they have give the lad no improved performances on the pitch.Hope he reverts back to u23,s and this bitter sweet experience doesnt knock his confidence to suceed in the future............I'm not disagreeing with you but Rhino is 44 years old. Time he branched out and got a manager job somewhere. Every Evertonian would wish him luck.
We would be doing his career a favour by getting him out of the under 23 squad.
But he’s tactically inept so why would we want that with the U23’s?They have actually won something. And being honest, our best performers this season have come from the U23 setup. Banagime for one
But he’s tactically inept so why would we want that with the U23’s?
But he’s tactically inept so why would we want that with the U23’s?
And of course any manager worth his salt will have a detailed plan on how he wants the youth teams to play anyway.
Yeah. Launch it from centre back into the mixer haha
I am being a extremely facicious and a bit of a dickhead.Facetious is one of few words with the vowels once and in the correct order along with abstemious,arsenious and more
I am being extremely facicious and a bit of a dickhead.
Facetious is one of few words with the vowels once and in the correct order along with abstemious,arsenious and more
Pep says hi. Now fuck off.
The only difference being Pep was being mentored and primed to take over the 1st team role over a period of 3 years before actually taking over.....That says more about our total lack of planning, professionalism and leadership at the top, than anything Unsworth has done.
NOW you fuck off!!
That says more about our total lack of planning, professionalism and leadership at the top, than anything Unsworth has done.
So, as I said earlier. Fuck off.
so we agree....now fuck off....No, we really do not agree. You said no seasoned professional would play for an U23 coach. You were incorrect. So once again . Fuck
No, we really do not agree. You said no seasoned professional would play for an U23 coach. You were incorrect. So once again . Fuck
am I ? Yet I know from personal experience i'm not....
whats your explanation......
(end of childish swearing)
But he’s tactically inept so why would we want that with the U23’s?
So that was just lucky last season then?
Nah we had the best team
Ah, the meanderings of the lost....if you cannot accept that your statement was incorrect then I am not going to educate you.
Enjoy your day.
That's true. We appeared to have the best coach too. Or did that team pick itself?
I’m not going to argue my mate because I understand your POV, and as I said above I am being facetious, but I don’t think tactics are that important to win a league at that level. Team spirit is and he should be commended for that but he’s not done very well in a tough situation last few weeks I’m afraid.
It's also very selfish on Evertons part ....we are doing his management career no good outing him back with the u23's .
There's no argument. You're just missing the point completely. Taking the U23's job off him is stupidity in itself. Everything he's done for them has been 100%. That league's been going for one year. Read my initial post.
It's also very selfish on Evertons part ....we are doing his management career no good outing him back with the u23's .I think we've already ended any potential management career for him. If you were a chairman, would you hire him after seeing the last few weeks?
I think we've already ended any potential management career for him. If you were a chairman, would you hire him after seeing the last few weeks?He could do well to cut his teeth in the lower leagues .
The U23s isn't such a bad job. He might be best just going back to that.
He could do well to cut his teeth in the lower leagues .I agree. I just don't think he'll get the chance now.
I agree. I just don't think he'll get the chance now.
Yes he will.
Any Chairman with any common sense will understand this last 5 weeks.
They will also look at how he conducted himself during this period. Which was world class.
Yes he will.
Any Chairman with any common sense will understand this last 5 weeks.
They will also look at how he conducted himself during this period. Which was world class.
I cant think of a compelling reason from his caretaker spell why another club would employ him as manager, but I wish him well.
Again to to clear up any confusion
https://twitter.com/LivEchoEFC/status/936145274648621056
Just thought I'd point out that, with everyone discussing points per game, Unsworth across his two spells as caretaker averaged 1.67 in the PL.
Here's an interview in The Times with regards to David Unsworth and his ambition to manage EFC. I've not read it myself, so if anyone can copy and paste it, it would be handy. Thanks in advance. :)
https://twitter.com/TimesSport/status/954508630900002819
No article then. Pile of miserable fuckers. ???
Why pay for content that another paper will copy and paste eventually?