Post by: boothill on October 24, 2017, 05:54:30 PM
Post by: pjk on October 24, 2017, 05:57:19 PM
Post by: Lazarou on October 24, 2017, 05:59:48 PM
Post by: everton1952 on October 24, 2017, 06:03:55 PM
Post by: Rhys on October 24, 2017, 06:15:06 PM
I love this fella, the shit he used to take coz that walter smith put him out to left back, and did he hide ? Did he fuck, hard as nails he is, would run through the preverbial brick wall for you, would love to see him get the gig, a lot more experienced than getting credit for. GO RHINO
Left back was least of the problems, Walter at times used to use him centre midfield!
Post by: MmmblueBernard on October 24, 2017, 06:18:55 PM
Post by: everton1952 on October 24, 2017, 06:25:55 PM
Post by: blargins on October 24, 2017, 06:26:45 PM
Aaahh! Didn't Unsie return from West Ham cos he was homesick in the big city?
Via Villa for a day.
Post by: boothill on October 24, 2017, 06:27:38 PM
I love a bit of heart ruling head action.Niether has been shown so far this season, so 1 out of 2 is a start. Make them fight for their shirt
Post by: BlueForYou on October 24, 2017, 06:30:42 PM
Say that to Rhino - duck
Post by: boothill on October 24, 2017, 06:31:42 PM
Via Villa for a day.Knew where he wanted to be, same with ferguson and howard kendall, and i'm pretty sure others went and returned
Post by: everton1952 on October 24, 2017, 06:35:29 PM
Post by: Audrey Horne on October 24, 2017, 06:43:11 PM
John Gregory said that Unsy's wife wears the trousers
Say that to Rhino - duck
Quack
Post by: Normm on October 24, 2017, 07:00:21 PM
When the backroom staff have the talent, promote! Everton could have prepared Kendall to take over the squad. Thankfully, he came back - a true blue!
Unsworth is the obvious choice and deserves the chance by an Aintree mile. He has proved his worth with the under 23's.
Post by: everton1952 on October 24, 2017, 07:17:09 PM
Post by: Audrey Horne on October 24, 2017, 07:40:33 PM
Post by: BlueForYou on October 24, 2017, 07:46:53 PM
Post by: everton1952 on October 24, 2017, 07:48:07 PM
Imagine Unsie giving his team talk. "Now Wayne this is what I want you to do.... Wayne, would you put that fucking phone down and listen to my advice on how to play". Wayne WAYNE come back here!!!
Post by: BlueForYou on October 24, 2017, 07:50:08 PM
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Post by: Macca77 on October 24, 2017, 07:53:48 PM
Post by: everton1952 on October 24, 2017, 07:54:52 PM
Post by: Lazarou on October 24, 2017, 07:57:14 PM
Post by: Juanito on October 24, 2017, 07:59:11 PM
Post by: sam of the south on October 24, 2017, 08:01:53 PM
Post by: Trublue on October 24, 2017, 08:04:46 PM
Post by: Macca77 on October 24, 2017, 08:05:23 PM
Post by: Lazarou on October 24, 2017, 08:07:36 PM
Post by: sirblue57 on October 24, 2017, 08:14:31 PM
and thanks for the link Audrey.
Post by: Lazarou on October 24, 2017, 08:17:13 PM
Sounds like Koemans backroom staff have gone as well?
Post by: everton1952 on October 24, 2017, 08:25:49 PM
Post by: SANA_DR0 on October 24, 2017, 08:25:57 PM
Just want the players to have some pride, which they lacked under Koeman.
Post by: Macca77 on October 24, 2017, 08:28:38 PM
Goosebumps watching his press conference. Would love him to be successful.
Sounds like Koemans backroom staff have gone as well?
With a nice little 8 million quid severance package in their bank accounts
Post by: pjk on October 24, 2017, 08:31:35 PM
Anyone got a link to the replay of the press conference?
You have to start it 3 or 4 minutes in. Everton timings out once again. Enjoy. The guys an Evertonian through and through.
http://www.evertonfc.com/news/2017/10/24/watch-unsworths-pre-chelsea-press-conference
Post by: bacon sarnie on October 24, 2017, 08:42:17 PM
https://www.pscp.tv/Everton/1yNxaVoNeyNKj
Ta, great to see an Everton manager not talking double-dutch. Win or lose v Chelsea no doubts it'll be a cohesive team game.
Post by: TheTone on October 24, 2017, 08:46:34 PM
Post by: Lxxx on October 24, 2017, 08:47:40 PM
Post by: Bluedylan on October 24, 2017, 08:58:15 PM
Also like that Moshiri has said to him 'go ed then, prove yourself and put yourself in with a shout'.
Don't think we should get too carried away just yet, but let's give him a fair shot, be objective, look at how the team does and the decisions he makes and see whether he makes himself a credible candidate over the next few games.
Post by: everton1952 on October 24, 2017, 09:02:57 PM
Post by: Robioto on October 24, 2017, 09:03:46 PM
Said all the right things and best of all, made a point about wanting Barkley to stay right from the off.
Really excited to see his team tomorrow. Hopefully see Kenny start with the Martina never to be seen again. I wonder if he will bring anyone with him from the U23s?
Post by: Lxxx on October 24, 2017, 09:08:16 PM
Post by: everton1952 on October 24, 2017, 09:10:02 PM
Post by: blue1948 on October 24, 2017, 09:13:54 PM
Post by: blueToffee on October 24, 2017, 09:16:00 PM
Do they have any regular goal scorers in the U23s? Or a winger? Play one or two of them.
Think someone said he'd called up Henen from the u23s who is a forward (think he plays on the wing too). Plus Beni Baningime who is a DM.
Post by: blueToffee on October 24, 2017, 09:17:46 PM
As he said himself, it's all about results so fingers crossed.
Post by: Lazarou on October 24, 2017, 09:18:50 PM
Post by: sam of the south on October 24, 2017, 09:27:01 PM
You have to start it 3 or 4 minutes in. Everton timings out once again. Enjoy. The guys an Evertonian through and through.
http://www.evertonfc.com/news/2017/10/24/watch-unsworths-pre-chelsea-press-conference
Thank you, Peej.
Fuck me, I got a lump in my throat when he was talking about Ross, and about what Evertonians expect 😢
Fucking come oooooonnn, Rhino! ✊🏼
Post by: pjk on October 24, 2017, 09:29:54 PM
Thank you, Peej.
Fuck me, I got a lump in my throat when he was talking about Ross, and about what Evertonians expect 😢
Fucking come oooooonnn, Rhino! ✊🏼
Hah! great isn't he. This was me. :'( Nah! But not far off.
Btw: I think you might like to give Audrey a Like, top of page 2. I didn't recognise the link. ;)
Post by: bacon sarnie on October 24, 2017, 09:39:21 PM
One report I read said Koeman had not bothered with the U 23's recently, you know those ones that won the league and won a U20's world cup. Perhaps Unsworth is just joining the two back together again, it will be a great experience for them if nothing else.
The less I hear about Koeman the better - except for when him and DeBoer apply for the Barcelona job like.
Post by: formerKHL on October 24, 2017, 09:52:59 PM
One report I read said Koeman had not bothered with the U 23's recently, you know those ones that won the league and won a U20's world cup. Perhaps Unsworth is just joining the two back together again, it will be a great experience for them if nothing else.
I wonder how much of this type of libelous crap are we gonna hear for the next few days/weeks...according to some gossips he never left his office...he never actually took training.......in fact he'd never even been to finch farm since the day he started......ffs
let him go.... we got our wishes without..petitions, demonstrations or burning shirts and flags with his name on..
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on October 24, 2017, 09:58:36 PM
I think it's the best way forward, give him till Christmas and offer him a 2 year full time contract if all goes well.
Post by: Lazarou on October 24, 2017, 10:00:39 PM
I wonder how much of this type of libelous crap are we gonna hear for the next few days/weeks...according to some gossips he never left his office...he never actually took training.......in fact he'd never even been to finch farm since the day he started......ffs
let him go.... we got our wishes without..petitions, demonstrations or burning shirts and flags with his name on..
You got me wrong, I ain't bothered I moved on weeks ago. Just a possible explanation for Unsworth integrating some U 23's. A hypothesis if you will.
Post by: formerKHL on October 24, 2017, 10:03:41 PM
You got me wrong, I ain't bothered I moved on weeks ago. Just a possible explanation for Unsworth integrating some U 23's. A hypothesis if you will.
sorry mate didn't mean you personally.....just reading some of the crap reported here and other places about RK and wondered what else was coming "out of the woodwork"..
Post by: D15TIN on October 24, 2017, 10:07:05 PM
I love this fella, the shit he used to take coz that walter smith put him out to left back, and did he hide ? Did he fuck, hard as nails he is, would run through the preverbial brick wall for you, would love to see him get the gig, a lot more experienced than getting credit for. GO RHINOI think it's a good time for him, the players will run through a brick wall for him & the fans will back him, we need to grind out results at this moment. Lets get behind him
Post by: Tofifee on October 24, 2017, 10:08:35 PM
He deserves it. The players seem to love him and will play for him.
Why not.
Post by: Bluedylan on October 24, 2017, 10:13:50 PM
The more I think about it the more I think give it to Rhino till the end of the season and reassess then. If it works, happy days, extend. If it doesnt, make the call straight away and go for new man. Chances are by April we will know if his contract will be extended or not, If its looking like not then we can draw up a list. Marco Silva would be top of that list for me, but I am all for giving Rhino a go until May.
He deserves it. The players seem to love him and will play for him.
Why not.
Let's wait and see. If a better candidate is gettable, then let's get him instead. As Unsworth said, it's about what's best for Everton and winning matches, not individuals or playing to the gallery.
Post by: bigmanbob on October 24, 2017, 10:14:59 PM
Your heart wants him to do well, your head tells you to be cautious and your mates ask who the fuck is he?You need to change your mates
Post by: D15TIN on October 24, 2017, 10:32:01 PM
The more I think about it the more I think give it to Rhino till the end of the season and reassess then. If it works, happy days, extend. If it doesnt, make the call straight away and go for new man. Chances are by April we will know if his contract will be extended or not, If its looking like not then we can draw up a list. Marco Silva would be top of that list for me, but I am all for giving Rhino a go until May.This is where I am with it.
He deserves it. The players seem to love him and will play for him.
Why not.
Post by: Rhys on October 24, 2017, 10:33:57 PM
Let's wait and see. If a better candidate is gettable, then let's get him instead. As Unsworth said, it's about what's best for Everton and winning matches, not individuals or playing to the gallery.
That's my stance. If we think there is a really good candidate who the club believe is the answer then they should do it. If they arent convinced or arent happy with the people they can get now, and in the meantime Rhino is getting good performances, results and generally looks like he will be ok in what he is doing plus positive noises from the training ground that is when that kind of decision around keeping him until the end of the season should come into it.
Post by: TheRam on October 24, 2017, 10:38:04 PM
Post by: Robioto on October 24, 2017, 10:40:48 PM
I think we should leave this obsession with the U-23's. There are none there that stand out better than what we've got in the senior squad, we just need to get the likes of Schneiderlin etc... pulling their finger out before we call up any more kids. We've got plenty of youth, we finished the Lyon match with 7 lads learning their trade, we don't need any more.
I'm well aware of that. But Unsworth obviously knows his players better than anybody and might see something in one of his players that we are missing, which might suprise us.
Wishful thinking I know, but it's exciting thinking about the possibilities.
On the other side of things as you say with the 7 players already in the squad, it will be interesting to see how they react to Unsworth in charge of them again (or in the case of Pickford, Vlasic and Sandro, the first time).
Post by: everton1952 on October 24, 2017, 10:41:52 PM
Post by: TheRam on October 24, 2017, 11:00:38 PM
All this crap about Silva. Why would he leave Watford and come here? Read this http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/41710640
Because we're Everton.
Post by: april on October 24, 2017, 11:11:28 PM
Post by: Bluedylan on October 24, 2017, 11:15:13 PM
https://twitter.com/everton/status/922834541470941186
Fuck it, give him a 6 year contact.
Post by: everton1952 on October 24, 2017, 11:16:30 PM
Post by: youngysenior on October 24, 2017, 11:21:36 PM
Goosebumps watching his press conference. Would love him to be successful.Is big Dunc still there?
Sounds like Koemans backroom staff have gone as well?
Post by: formerKHL on October 24, 2017, 11:25:41 PM
The more I think about it the more I think give it to Rhino till the end of the season and reassess then. If it works, happy days, extend. If it doesnt, make the call straight away and go for new man. Chances are by April we will know if his contract will be extended or not, If its looking like not then we can draw up a list. Marco Silva would be top of that list for me, but I am all for giving Rhino a go until May.
He deserves it. The players seem to love him and will play for him.
Why not.
The only problem with this is he can only have it for a maximum of 12 weeks coz he hasn’t got the pro licence....if they wait the full 12 weeks is he good enough to get us outta trouble ? If he’s not how long do they give him only to prove he’s not good enough? Which due to our current position would deffo put us in a dire position and deffo relegation fight....
Here’s the dilemma...the longer into the 12 weeks we go and if it doesn’t improve, our position gets worse and we still need a manager.....give him it and if it doesn’t improve and ....we still need a new manager...
The pressure is really on both unsy and the board as he HAS to succeed no matter what the outcome job offer wise.....
FOR ME the better alternative is get an experienced man in ASAP i’m Afraid.....rather than hope unsy succeeds...sorry...
Post by: gizzblue on October 24, 2017, 11:29:57 PM
The only problem with this is he can only have it for a maximum of 12 weeks coz he hasn't got the pro licence....if they wait the full 12 weeks is he good enough to get us outta trouble ? If he's not how long do they give him only to prove he's not good enough? Which due to our current position would deffo put us in a dire position and deffo relegation fight....Isn't that why Joe Royals been brought in to oversee ,?.
Here's the dilemma...the longer into the 12 weeks we go and it doesn't improve, our position gets worse and we still need a manager.....give him it and it doesn't improve and ....we still need a new manager...
The pressure is really on both unsy and the board as he HAS to succeed no matter what the outcome job offer wise.....
FOR ME the better alternative is get an experienced man in ASAP i'm Afraid.....rather than hope unsy succeeds...sorry...
Post by: Major Clanger on October 24, 2017, 11:31:18 PM
The only problem with this is he can only have it for a maximum of 12 weeks coz he hasn’t got the pro licence...
He's had it for at least four years, if the newspaper reports at the time can be believed.
Post by: formerKHL on October 24, 2017, 11:31:58 PM
Post by: formerKHL on October 24, 2017, 11:33:48 PM
He's had it for at least four years, if the newspaper reports at the time can be believed.
Tbh I don’t think he has
Post by: Major Clanger on October 24, 2017, 11:35:52 PM
Tbh I don’t think he has
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/22928946
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/england/10293645/FA-chairman-Greg-Dyke-should-speak-to-former-players-such-as-David-Unsworth-to-realise-his-England-vision.html
Post by: Simon Paul on October 24, 2017, 11:53:34 PM
he hand-wrote his answers.....
"Where has the sense of togetherness gone?"
"Fuck knows!"
https://twitter.com/nsno/status/922868222449373184
Post by: D15TIN on October 25, 2017, 12:00:48 AM
The only problem with this is he can only have it for a maximum of 12 weeks coz he hasn’t got the pro licence....if they wait the full 12 weeks is he good enough to get us outta trouble ? If he’s not how long do they give him only to prove he’s not good enough? Which due to our current position would deffo put us in a dire position and deffo relegation fight....Right ok - say we bring in ancellotti, nothing changes we remain bottom 3 and out the competitions- where do we go from there? We pay him off aswell? Unsworth KNOWS these players especially the U23s of which account for about 40% of this current squad, we need to grind results out now before we really end up in the shit, a foreign manager who doesn't understand everton or this squad may well take time to get going, we can't afford that at the minute.
Here’s the dilemma...the longer into the 12 weeks we go and if it doesn’t improve, our position gets worse and we still need a manager.....give him it and if it doesn’t improve and ....we still need a new manager...
The pressure is really on both unsy and the board as he HAS to succeed no matter what the outcome job offer wise.....
FOR ME the better alternative is get an experienced man in ASAP i’m Afraid.....rather than hope unsy succeeds...sorry...
BTW if the players want him that's massive.
Post by: formerKHL on October 25, 2017, 12:02:56 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/22928946
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/england/10293645/FA-chairman-Greg-Dyke-should-speak-to-former-players-such-as-David-Unsworth-to-realise-his-England-vision.html
I honestly didn’t realise he’d finally gone for it.......good on him then....and nice to be proved wrong don’t mind admitting when I’m wrong...
Post by: Audrey Horne on October 25, 2017, 12:05:20 AM
Post by: Jimmywhack on October 25, 2017, 12:07:10 AM
Post by: Major Clanger on October 25, 2017, 12:10:49 AM
I honestly didn’t realise he’d finally gone for it.......good on him then....and nice to be proved wrong don’t mind admitting when I’m wrong...
Fair enough, but it isn't proof really, I just googled it and I found these references.
Post by: BlueForYou on October 25, 2017, 12:13:02 AM
Post by: formerKHL on October 25, 2017, 12:18:31 AM
Right ok - say we bring in ancellotti, nothing changes we remain bottom 3 and out the competitions- where do we go from there? We pay him off aswell? Unsworth KNOWS these players especially the U23s of which account for about 40% of this current squad, we need to grind results out now before we really end up in the shit, a foreign manager who doesn't understand everton or this squad may well take time to get going, we can't afford that at the minute.
BTW if the players want him that's massive.
I understand and agree with a lot of what you’re saying however I would still put my money on a proven manager at this level rather than an un proven manager at this level tbh....whether they know the players or not.....
And I’d love it....absolutely love it if Unsworth & Duncan get it right, turn things around and get us up the table....on a side note I actually had the thought yesterday as to why they don’t get Reidy in to help him out ?
Post by: Ross on October 25, 2017, 12:19:55 AM
Literally anything could happen in these 4 games, for better or worse, that has repercussions on the way the club progress over the next couple of years. It’s a bit random and to much of a gamble. If you’ve got faith in Unsworth back him like you’d back any new manager. If not, and it’s understandable to have reservations, search out the best person for the job and get them here as soon as possible.
Post by: formerKHL on October 25, 2017, 12:21:47 AM
Fair enough, but it isn't proof really, I just googled it and I found these references.
Tbh I just checked and he didn’t do it with our FA he did it through the Scottish FA when he was working up there after he was at Sheff Utd.... that’s why I didn’t know that he’d done it...
Main thing is though he’s got it so pleased he’s got a chance at the big one
Post by: Rodenplav64 on October 25, 2017, 12:29:00 AM
Post by: Simon Paul on October 25, 2017, 12:31:19 AM
Post by: Jimmywhack on October 25, 2017, 12:37:06 AM
Tuchel with unsworth asst, it's a success, Tuchel moves on, unsworth takes over.... Be nice
Post by: TheTone on October 25, 2017, 12:46:15 AM
this was how he signed off the interview....
I like the way he swerves his dots into the top right hand corner, I'm in
Post by: Robioto on October 25, 2017, 12:52:24 AM
https://twitter.com/Everton/status/922822091312975872
Post by: BlueForYou on October 25, 2017, 12:55:01 AM
Must be a prerequisite for any incoming manager: Duncan Ferguson is your first team coach with protection from dismissal
Interesting
Post by: BlueForYou on October 25, 2017, 12:59:29 AM
Post by: Silas on October 25, 2017, 01:01:20 AM
Post by: School of Science on October 25, 2017, 01:02:43 AM
Post by: blue slug on October 25, 2017, 01:07:05 AM
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 25, 2017, 01:11:51 AM
But I'm with Jimmy, don't want to get burned by leaning with the heart. And 4 matches is absurd as a sample size to base anything upon.
Post by: blob on October 25, 2017, 01:12:08 AM
but let's first see how the players respond...
Post by: D15TIN on October 25, 2017, 01:14:41 AM
he's already found his level. I like the man, but not for this job.how can he have found his level if he's never been tested higher?
but let's first see how the players respond...
Post by: Bluedylan on October 25, 2017, 01:18:59 AM
It's just the arbitrary period that takes us to the next international break, which is usually viewed as a sensible time to hire/fire managers.
Post by: Mayor Farnum on October 25, 2017, 01:20:47 AM
4 games when we're in the shit ain't really a fair period of time to judge unsworth on
No be we can't afford to give him fifteen games if it proves too much for him.
Post by: blob on October 25, 2017, 01:22:05 AM
how can he have found his level if he's never been tested higher?
you could give me the job on that basis...
I just believe that we need 'better'...which is not a slight on rhino.
Post by: smellybum on October 25, 2017, 01:22:09 AM
I hope he gets longer than a few games to see how it goes. Something like 3-4 months. Let the likes of Coleman, Barkley, Bolasie get back to fitness and allow him to pick a proper first 11 and see what he can do with it.
Time to gt behind him and the team.
Post by: Mayor Farnum on October 25, 2017, 01:27:37 AM
Good luck to him. He wants the job. Rumours abound players want him to have the job. Done his time with the kids and had success. Maybe it is his time. Right age. Respect of fans and players. Really hope he has the minerals for it.
I hope he gets longer than a few games to see how it goes. Something like 3-4 months. Let the likes of Coleman, Barkley, Bolasie get back to fitness and allow him to pick a proper first 11 and see what he can do with it.
Time to gt behind him and the team.
If we we're mid-table that would be a good scenario. However, we are in the bottom three and will have to play at least half the season without a recognised striker.
Post by: Bluedylan on October 25, 2017, 01:28:29 AM
If Tuchel wanted the job for example, I don't think it would matter if Unsworth was given 2 games or 20 games. The job will be Tuchel's. And conversely if Eddie Howe's the best we could get, and Unsworth doing well in the meantime, they'll probably let him keep it.
The board are right not to put a set timeframe on things. No reason to limit themselves in anyway. Assess the situation on an ongoing basis, put the feelers out there and see what their best option is over the next few weeks.
Post by: Tinga on October 25, 2017, 01:36:11 AM
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 25, 2017, 01:36:52 AM
I put this on another thread in error.
Imagine Unsie giving his team talk. "Now Wayne this is what I want you to do.... Wayne, would you put that fucking phone down and listen to my advice on how to play". Wayne WAYNE come back here!!!
Hopefully in that situation unsworths helper dwarf would set a trained unicorn on rooney. Stab the ignorant cunt with its horn
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on October 25, 2017, 01:37:41 AM
when he went to Sheffield Wednesday I asked for an interview with him but could never get to the phone with him, so the club said to send the questions over and he'd answer them
he hand-wrote his answers.....
"Where has the sense of togetherness gone?"
"Fuck knows!"
https://twitter.com/nsno/status/922868222449373184
That's brilliant!
Number 4 and number 12 are the best.
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on October 25, 2017, 01:45:42 AM
Post by: Silas on October 25, 2017, 01:46:40 AM
Post by: boothill on October 25, 2017, 01:57:16 AM
when he went to Sheffield Wednesday I asked for an interview with him but could never get to the phone with him, so the club said to send the questions over and he'd answer themCould you post thd whole interview si
he hand-wrote his answers.....
"Where has the sense of togetherness gone?"
"Fuck knows!"
https://twitter.com/nsno/status/922868222449373184
Post by: Simon Paul on October 25, 2017, 02:13:43 AM
Could you post thd whole interview si
to be honest I think he got bored on page two, but page three brightened up a bit, although the questions are a bit lame
Post by: Zoolander on October 25, 2017, 02:35:18 AM
I’d love him to make this job his, seriously would. We need to see how the players react and how he does over an extended run to truly know though. Any sign early doors that the whole playing team aren’t onboard then it’s not got legs, not for now, not with us in the bottom three.
I hope he does it though.
I can see Rhino 🦏 flags and hear the chants of “Rhino, Rhino” and it looks and sounds great
Post by: Fynci on October 25, 2017, 02:39:13 AM
Post by: Trublue on October 25, 2017, 03:01:38 AM
We should give him until the end of the season, but he'll need to do some transfer business in January. I guess thats one advantage of have having a director of football?
Post by: Ari on October 25, 2017, 03:31:39 AM
I haven't read any posts in here on this subject and this is only my opinion.
take care, Ari.
Post by: toffee_scot on October 25, 2017, 03:45:40 AM
The Leicester game though will be key, we need to pick up 3 points from somewhere very soon just to kickstart our move up the table and stand a chance of finishing in the top 7 again.
Post by: Silas on October 25, 2017, 03:56:39 AM
I've just finished the pre match interview and I've decided that I want to keep him (Mr. David Unsworth) as manager at least until the season ends. Hopefully and probably longer (IMO) His answers are very good and respectful to everyone. The best from him is... I am what I am...
I haven't read any posts in here on this subject and this is only my opinion.
take care, Ari.
He did come across very well which is a good start. Refused to criticise Koeman while staying quite clearly that he had his own ideas of what to change.
Post by: Gash on October 25, 2017, 04:03:52 AM
I still think we should be going for someone with more experience but you get the impression we'll be in good hands while they look for that person.
Post by: indiantoffee1975 on October 25, 2017, 04:21:14 AM
Learning not only the opposition in the PL but if we return to Europe how he would think differently and prepare his side against european opposition.
Then he is fully equipped to fill the void left by either.
I desperately want him to succeed at Everton and would like to see him fully prepared for every competition.
Best of luck to him over the next month and hopefully he brings back a smile to many of our faces.
Post by: Ell Capitan on October 25, 2017, 04:25:36 AM
https://twitter.com/nsno/status/922868222449373184
A photo on this site that's too *small*?
Well now I've seen everything.
Post by: Tinga on October 25, 2017, 05:25:43 AM
If he wins at Anfield then we should offer him a lifetime contract, any salary he wants.
I know you're joking but fuck me is that small time. It's Roberto on the side of Goodison small that.
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on October 25, 2017, 05:27:52 AM
I know you're jokingbut fuck me is that small time. It's Roberto on the side of Goodison small that.
Fixed if for you.
Post by: Jamokachi on October 25, 2017, 06:26:27 AM
More than likely there will be no 'set period of games'. He'll be getting assessed continuously by those above him, and they will be approaching other managers in the meantime and seeing where the land lies.
If Tuchel wanted the job for example, I don't think it would matter if Unsworth was given 2 games or 20 games. The job will be Tuchel's. And conversely if Eddie Howe's the best we could get, and Unsworth doing well in the meantime, they'll probably let him keep it.
The board are right not to put a set timeframe on things. No reason to limit themselves in anyway. Assess the situation on an ongoing basis, put the feelers out there and see what their best option is over the next few weeks.
Stop talking sense, fly off the handle more... this is the Everton forum after all.
Post by: blargins on October 25, 2017, 06:27:03 AM
Post by: Major Clanger on October 25, 2017, 05:22:13 PM
The board are right not to put a set timeframe on things. No reason to limit themselves in anyway. Assess the situation on an ongoing basis, put the feelers out there and see what their best option is over the next few weeks.
Yes, they shouldn't admit to having set a deadline publicly for the reasons you say.
But privately they should absolutely set a time frame. If you don't set yourself a deadline, failure is all but guaranteed.
Post by: Lxxx on October 25, 2017, 05:50:20 PM
All I've seen are smiling faces on the training ground and a very eloquent interview, backed up by a groundswell of goodwill. I think we'd be silly not to seriously consider the man, it's not as if he's some bloke off the street. He's got a very persuasive argument to put across for the job and whilst I'm not saying he should get it he should at least be given every opportunity to show that he's a very credible candidate for the club.
Post by: blargins on October 25, 2017, 06:19:35 PM
There isn't any magic formula for success. Martinez really bought into the club and started like a house on fire but that turned to shit. Koeman was the biggest name we've ever had but never really looked as if he wanted to be here and that turned to shit. Tuchel might be a great name and an exciting thought but he could have a hard time getting his ideas over in his first stab at English football and we may well have to pay off another manager in 18 months too.
All I've seen are smiling faces on the training ground and a very eloquent interview, backed up by a groundswell of goodwill. I think we'd be silly not to seriously consider the man, it's not as if he's some bloke off the street. He's got a very persuasive argument to put across for the job and whilst I'm not saying he should get it he should at least be given every opportunity to show that he's a very credible candidate for the club.
I hope he does get it and is successful. Could save us a fortune. You know he'll give his all for a start and it sounds like he's a win at all costs type of manager.
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on October 25, 2017, 07:12:24 PM
Koeman used us for his CV (which backfired), so did Martinez (to an extent, although I think he grew to love the club), other managers like Tuchel or Silva will do the same.
I actually don't know what produces better results over a longer period, a manager who wants to build a legacy with 1 club or 1 willing to just shoehorn quality over a short period of time.
Chelsea have benefited from 1 way of doing it, whereas Liverpool have not really benefited from the same approach.
Post by: Robioto on October 25, 2017, 07:19:51 PM
Post by: Lxxx on October 25, 2017, 07:38:37 PM
The difference with Unsworth against most of the other managers we are linked with, Unsworth would stay here for his entire career if it was possible, we're not a stepping stone to him, this is his dream job, I really think if you offered him any Prem team to manage, he would still pick us.
Koeman used us for his CV (which backfired), so did Martinez (to an extent, although I think he grew to love the club), other managers like Tuchel or Silva will do the same.
I actually don't know what produces better results over a longer period, a manager who wants to build a legacy with 1 club or 1 willing to just shoehorn quality over a short period of time.
Chelsea have benefited from 1 way of doing it, whereas Liverpool have not really benefited from the same approach.
There is no exact science. For every argument put forward for Unsworth there is a valid counter argument. It all comes down to making an informed choice after doing your due diligence, getting behind the man in charge, building a professional club off the pitch so you can give him as much financial backing as possible and hoping for the best.
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on October 25, 2017, 07:46:51 PM
What if we get back on track with the ‘old guard’ and Unsworth bins off all of Koeman/Walsh signings? I suppose Moshiri will be happy if we’re winning but surely one of the new manager’s tasks will be to integrate these expensive, highly paid signings into the team?
Sorry, getting ahead of myself.
Post by: Major Clanger on October 25, 2017, 07:55:20 PM
You’d imagine he’ll go back to basics and simplify what’s being asked of the players. Also rumours the likes of Lennon and Mirallas are back in the team tonight...which leads me to another thought...
What if we get back on track with the ‘old guard’ and Unsworth bins off all of Koeman/Walsh signings? I suppose Moshiri will be happy if we’re winning but surely one of the new manager’s tasks will be to integrate these expensive, highly paid signings into the team?
Sorry, getting ahead of myself.
I think once we start winning, he can start to integrate the new players in bit by bit. There's no point trying to fix something while making sweeping changes at the same time.
Post by: BlueForYou on October 25, 2017, 08:18:13 PM
Shakespeare initially took to management like a duck to water, got a contract and then the sack!
Different ball game once officially in the hot seat
Post by: Lxxx on October 25, 2017, 08:36:06 PM
Don't know what will happen
Shakespeare initially took to management like a duck to water, got a contract and then the sack!
Different ball game once officially in the hot seat
Which was totally bonkers. They have had as tough a start as us and would have started climbing the table as they have a goalscorer and a manager who looked to be well liked. Both things we lack(ed).
Post by: BlueForYou on October 25, 2017, 08:45:13 PM
Bigger than Dyche, I guess?
Puel should be in charge for Sunday against us - the (even bigger) Rhino's ready!
Post by: Rhys on October 25, 2017, 08:58:22 PM
And it would appear that Leicester have got their "big name" - Puel
Bigger than Dyche, I guess?
Puel should be in charge for Sunday against us - the Rhino's ready!
Puel league finishes;
Monaco
98/99 - 4th
99/00 - 1st
00/01 - 11th
Lille
02/03 - 14th
03/04 - 10th
04/05 - 2nd
05/06 - 3rd
06/07 - 10th
07/08 - 7th
Lyon
08/09 - 3rd
09/10 - 2nd
10/11 - 3rd
Nice
12/13 - 4th
13/14 - 17th
14/15 - 11th
15/16 - 4th
Southampton
16/17 - 8th
All but one season in France but that is a pretty consistent record over a number of teams over a long time. Some blips but also some real highs in there. He might not be the biggest name, most well known and Southampton fans didnt like his style of play but even there finished well enough so while might not be the most glamorous appointment you'd look at his record and think a very good chance he will do a stable job there which is maybe what they need after having nearly gone down, won the league then almost gone down again and started really badly this season.
Post by: Hesmenos on October 25, 2017, 09:38:26 PM
More than likely there will be no 'set period of games'. He'll be getting assessed continuously by those above him, and they will be approaching other managers in the meantime and seeing where the land lies.Its the way I saw it as well. I don't think it is about the 4 games but the time frame. The board have probably figured they need 2-3 weeks to interview candidates and make a decision.
If Tuchel wanted the job for example, I don't think it would matter if Unsworth was given 2 games or 20 games. The job will be Tuchel's. And conversely if Eddie Howe's the best we could get, and Unsworth doing well in the meantime, they'll probably let him keep it.
The board are right not to put a set timeframe on things. No reason to limit themselves in anyway. Assess the situation on an ongoing basis, put the feelers out there and see what their best option is over the next few weeks.
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 25, 2017, 10:12:50 PM
Post by: formerKHL on October 25, 2017, 10:38:56 PM
but he can basically pick any players he likes and doesn't have to "pamper" to the big name signings Like koeman had/tried to..because they're not his (unsy's) signings...
He could easily leave sigurdson and rooney out without a second thought... or worry about upsetting the big names....
hello lookman...
Post by: Paddockoldie on October 25, 2017, 10:58:12 PM
Post by: BlueForYou on October 25, 2017, 11:41:08 PM
Not (m)any, I suspect
Post by: Waltzer on October 26, 2017, 12:30:34 AM
Will be interesting if he'll get the best out of Niasse seeing as he had faith in him at under 23 level where he was scoring? I reckon he'll get more game time. Him and DCL upfront may get goals?I don't think even the best of Niasse is good enough and premiership level, maybe championship? This will be Unsworths achilles heel as it was for Koeman, scoring goals
Post by: SANA_DR0 on October 26, 2017, 12:30:45 AM
How many of us would have gone for Puel as our manager?
Not (m)any, I suspect
Ranieri wasnt mentioned at all, surprising.
Post by: BlueForYou on October 26, 2017, 12:38:46 AM
Proven winning formula - but, I suspect, not for any of us
Tinkering one trick pony and all that
Post by: SANA_DR0 on October 26, 2017, 01:15:56 AM
Ranieri, Shakespeare and Walsh
Proven winning formula - but, I suspect, not for any of us
Tinkering one trick pony and all that
i've always liked the way Ranieri's teams have played From Fiorentina to Valencia to Athletico to Chelsea back to Valencia.
but thats when i was into all sorts of football.. no idea what he's done the last ten years besides winning the league with Leicester.
Post by: TheRam on October 26, 2017, 01:18:00 AM
Ranieri, Shakespeare and Walsh
Proven winning formula - but, I suspect, not for any of us
Tinkering one trick pony and all that
Mate, stop speaking in riddles all the time.
Post by: Gash on October 26, 2017, 01:18:47 AM
Post by: BlueForYou on October 26, 2017, 01:31:50 AM
Ranieri is the Tinker Man and has won one trophy, Shakespeare is available and Walsh is still with us
Where's Batman & Robin when you need 'em (the Riddler)
Post by: TheRam on October 26, 2017, 01:33:39 AM
Post by: BlueForYou on October 26, 2017, 01:37:57 AM
No you don't
Post by: MrWhite on October 26, 2017, 01:46:43 AM
Post by: Ridge on October 26, 2017, 02:17:00 AM
I don't think even the best of Niasse is good enough and premiership level, maybe championship? This will be Unsworths achilles heel as it was for Koeman, scoring goals
Niasse has 4 goals in 180 mins this season.
Post by: Coyb12 on October 26, 2017, 02:38:30 AM
Post by: MmmblueBernard on October 26, 2017, 03:46:55 AM
He's got to go.
Bit early like, hes only been in charge for one game ....
Best footy weve seen all season n'all.
Post by: BlueForYou on October 26, 2017, 03:47:27 AM
Post by: Mayor Farnum on October 26, 2017, 03:49:41 AM
Post by: Coyb12 on October 26, 2017, 03:53:16 AM
Bit early like, hes only been in charge for one game ....Wouldn't be hard would it,it was mostly Chelsea's second 11,there was a couple of pluses the lad in the middle Benni and the workrate,on the negitive were was that fight all season,and we have to get through till January with jags and Williams.
Best footy weve seen all season n'all.
Post by: Bluedylan on October 26, 2017, 03:59:14 AM
Cracking start for Unsworth. If he'd had a tiny bit of the run of the ball, we'd have knocked Chelsea out there.
Post by: Everton Mint on October 26, 2017, 04:01:11 AM
Post by: Lxxx on October 26, 2017, 04:02:23 AM
Niasse has 4 goals in 180 mins this season.
Throw an assist in now as well. He's a pest on the pitch but a useful one for the squad. I wouldn't sell him, he seems happy being an impact sub and it seems to work too.
Post by: Jimmywhack on October 26, 2017, 04:02:25 AM
Irrespective of the opposition, looking at how we did, our pressing, our patterns of play, organisation, shape, that was easily our best display of the season.Second half I'd agree
Cracking start for Unsworth. If he'd had a tiny bit of the run of the ball, we'd have knocked Chelsea out there.
First half was poor but there's plenty to be positive about
Let's see how he follows that up now
Post by: Lxxx on October 26, 2017, 04:04:12 AM
Second half I'd agree
First half was poor but there's plenty to be positive about
Let's see how he follows that up now
First half I think we were still stuck in the same mental rut we've been in all season. Passes square and back, no forward movement. Presumably a rocket at half time and we decided to break free a little. Hopefully a few days of positive training will bring it back.
Post by: Bluedylan on October 26, 2017, 04:04:30 AM
Second half I'd agree
First half was poor but there's plenty to be positive about
Let's see how he follows that up now
I thought first half was fine tbh, and their goal came from nowhere. Thought the plan was to start solid and grow into the game.
Post by: blueToffee on October 26, 2017, 04:05:59 AM
Post by: BlueForYou on October 26, 2017, 04:07:05 AM
Post by: Jimmywhack on October 26, 2017, 04:08:02 AM
I thought first half was fine tbh, and their goal came from nowhere. Thought the plan was to start solid and grow into the game.We were slow, lacked width and Sat deep. That right back had time and space and we lacked confidence.... Understandably
Second half, we pressed, attacked, passed better, grew in confidence
Baines went from being murdered to running the lad ragged, mirallas and Lennon gave natural width but got involved and brought the full backs into the game
We won first, second and even third balls through tackles, effort and desperation so yeah, for me, it was a game of two halves for us
Chelsea werent great either and Pickford genuinely didn't even make a catch did he?
Post by: blargins on October 26, 2017, 04:10:44 AM
Wouldn't be hard would it,it was mostly Chelsea's second 11,there was a couple of pluses the lad in the middle Benni and the workrate,on the negitive were was that fight all season,and we have to get through till January with jags and Williams.
Funny that, it was mostly our second 11 too.
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on October 26, 2017, 04:11:26 AM
Post by: Lxxx on October 26, 2017, 04:22:41 AM
Still got beat by Chelsea reserves though :thumbsup:
Fabregas, Pedro and William are pretty decent reserves.
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on October 26, 2017, 04:24:05 AM
Fabregas, Pedro and William are pretty decent reserves.
I know, I was taking the piss a little :)
Post by: Jimmywhack on October 26, 2017, 04:24:45 AM
Fabregas, Pedro and William are pretty decent reserves.Batshuiyi, cahill, christenson all played pl games
Zapucossta big money signing
Rudiger too
Post by: GLewis on October 26, 2017, 04:25:15 AM
Batshuiyi, cahill, christenson all played pl games
Zapucossta big money signing
Rudiger too
Drinkwater too
Post by: Shogun on October 26, 2017, 04:25:34 AM
Batshuiyi, cahill, christenson all played pl games
Zapucossta big money signing
Rudiger too
We had more young/reserve players on the pitch than they did.
Post by: Jimmywhack on October 26, 2017, 04:27:42 AM
Drinkwater tooHe looked way way way off the pace didn't he
Post by: GLewis on October 26, 2017, 04:28:16 AM
That got the midfield closer to the front three which enabled closing down to be done higher up the pitch and also shorter passing angles.
This in turn enabled the full backs to get higher up the pitch pushing their wing backs, back.
Thought we tried to do this in the first but they had too many easy possession routes which dragged the whole team back, isolating Rooney (which isn’t what you want) and the other two forwards.
Post by: toffee_scot on October 26, 2017, 04:30:29 AM
I guess for tonight's game he wanted to mostly play players that he was most familiar with including some he managed at different times for the U23s and many from the pre-Koeman period. In some ways, the advantage is that he will feel no obligation to play (or rather shoehorn) the likes of Sigurdsson, Klaassen, Martina, Sandro etc all in the same team because he didn't sign them so I am confident Unsworth will come up with a system to take advantage of the current players he has at his disposal.
Post by: Lazarou on October 26, 2017, 04:33:02 AM
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Post by: American Evertonian on October 26, 2017, 05:54:50 AM
It pains me to say it. It does. He is a great servant to the club. But if we want to spend big and recruit with the best we need a name to go with it. One that not only can draw English talent but also German, Italian, French, etc. I don't want to see us win by grit or negative football. I want to see us play proactively and not just knick games against the big clubs. I want ambition and prestige to come back to us and feel that if we hire him it will be like LCFC hiring Shakespeare. We cannot be drawn into emotion but need to remain objective with what we want and who can get us there.
I realize I may receive flack from this post (mainly from those that don't consider me a true blue by being American and not have season tickets). However, I think what I say does have reason. I'm happy to debate and discuss though.
Post by: Jimmywhack on October 26, 2017, 05:59:01 AM
Love the guy. I really do. However, we can't hire him. If we are trying to build a CL team we need a big name that can recruit. We aren't plucky old Everton anymore. If he wants to be our manager he needs to go win big somewhere else. Let us hire him from a lesser club.Said similar a few pages back or on a different thread, can't remember
It pains me to say it. It does. He is a great servant to the club. But if we want to spend big and recruit with the best we need a name to go with it. One that not only can draw English talent but also German, Italian, French, etc. I don't want to see us win by grit or negative football. I want to see us play proactively and not just knick games against the big clubs. I want ambition and prestige to come back to us and feel that if we hire him it will be like LCFC hiring Shakespeare. We cannot be drawn into emotion but need to remain objective with what we want and who can get us there.
I realize I may receive flack from this post (mainly from those that don't consider me a true blue by being American and not have season tickets). However, I think what I say does have reason. I'm happy to debate and discuss though.
Your opinion matters as much as anyone else BTW
Post by: American Evertonian on October 26, 2017, 06:09:55 AM
Post by: gizzblue on October 26, 2017, 06:53:13 AM
In addition, we can't hire him because Koeman's tactics were garbage. Comparing someone to your previous failures vs what he offers going forward is criminal and will only make us continue on our current path.Second half was fast attacking pro active football ....what more so you want after one real training session .😅.
At the end of the day money talks these days ...and we ain't short of a few Bob .if Rhino can get a our season back on track, we will get the players we want ,regardless of managers stature .
Post by: blueski on October 26, 2017, 07:48:05 AM
its not impossible that he gets the job if he can manage to do that. once upon a time world football didn't know too much about who Pochettino was either
Post by: blargins on October 26, 2017, 08:19:03 AM
Post by: Bwana on October 26, 2017, 11:40:42 AM
We had a former world class player as manager who struggled to get players in. And to stay.
This. The world class players will come and join if Uns is worth it. Especially the second half yesterday was anything else than negative from our side. After all it's all decided on the pitch. I don't care if don't get the world class players if we win, with an Everton-way. Yesterday showed some promises that the identity of this grand old team is still there.
Post by: Ramjam on October 26, 2017, 12:02:30 PM
Post by: sirblue57 on October 26, 2017, 12:05:23 PM
Love the guy. I really do. However, we can't hire him. If we are trying to build a CL team we need a big name that can recruit. We aren't plucky old Everton anymore. If he wants to be our manager he needs to go win big somewhere else. Let us hire him from a lesser club.
It pains me to say it. It does. He is a great servant to the club. But if we want to spend big and recruit with the best we need a name to go with it. One that not only can draw English talent but also German, Italian, French, etc. I don't want to see us win by grit or negative football. I want to see us play proactively and not just knick games against the big clubs. I want ambition and prestige to come back to us and feel that if we hire him it will be like LCFC hiring Shakespeare. We cannot be drawn into emotion but need to remain objective with what we want and who can get us there.
I realize I may receive flack from this post (mainly from those that don't consider me a true blue by being American and not have season tickets). However, I think what I say does have reason. I'm happy to debate and discuss though.
We need to start winning, not just games,but trip. Then we will attract better players. If DU can keep winning and gets us a trophy, he will attract better players.
Even if we have to pay over the odds to attract them at first, like city did.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 26, 2017, 01:57:34 PM
Love the guy. I really do. However, we can't hire him. If we are trying to build a CL team we need a big name that can recruit. We aren't plucky old Everton anymore. If he wants to be our manager he needs to go win big somewhere else. Let us hire him from a lesser club.
It pains me to say it. It does. He is a great servant to the club. But if we want to spend big and recruit with the best we need a name to go with it. One that not only can draw English talent but also German, Italian, French, etc. I don't want to see us win by grit or negative football. I want to see us play proactively and not just knick games against the big clubs. I want ambition and prestige to come back to us and feel that if we hire him it will be like LCFC hiring Shakespeare. We cannot be drawn into emotion but need to remain objective with what we want and who can get us there.
I realize I may receive flack from this post (mainly from those that don't consider me a true blue by being American and not have season tickets). However, I think what I say does have reason. I'm happy to debate and discuss though.
Utter nonsense. Who did we get because of koemans name?? We need to hire the best man for the job not just random name. We are English footballs 7th most attractive team and that will stay the same until we break the top 6. Hiring a big name won't make us any more attractive. Playing good football, having a good team spirit winning will
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 26, 2017, 02:04:49 PM
Unsworth would be perfect for that.
Honestly I think he's absolutely what we need. Someone to build fantastic team spirit, someone who appreciates the value of our youth teams, someone with genuine passion for the club
It appears he wants us to play aggressive pressing football. We aren't going to get relegated. I'd love to see him given this season to prove his value. Who on the list isn't a risk. We get to try before we buy with unsworth. Think he could be a great manager if we give him a go instead of being snobby about it
Post by: Paddockoldie on October 26, 2017, 02:20:48 PM
Post by: Paddockoldie on October 26, 2017, 02:22:12 PM
Also our thing should be we are number 1 for top prospects. We can't be number 1 for worldclass players but we can be the best place for young players who maybe wouldn't get in a Chelsea or city team yet
Unsworth would be perfect for that.
Honestly I think he's absolutely what we need. Someone to build fantastic team spirit, someone who appreciates the value of our youth teams, someone with genuine passion for the club
It appears he wants us to play aggressive pressing football. We aren't going to get relegated. I'd love to see him given this season to prove his value. Who on the list isn't a risk. We get to try before we buy with unsworth. Think he could be a great manager if we give him a go instead of being snobby about it
This all day long..
Post by: 74Blue on October 26, 2017, 03:37:15 PM
If Unsworth can get the players that he has working together and firing, the results will come. That, in turn will attract some attention and others will want to come and join the project.
You don't necessarily need to have been a world class player to be a great coach/manager. It's a completely different skill set. Who did Mourinho play for, or Wenger? Their lack of a great playing career has never stopped them attracting quality players.
Post by: MrWhite on October 26, 2017, 05:21:15 PM
Also our thing should be we are number 1 for top prospects. We can't be number 1 for worldclass players but we can be the best place for young players who maybe wouldn't get in a Chelsea or city team yetCompletely agree. If it doesn’t work out, Silva in the summer.
Unsworth would be perfect for that.
Honestly I think he's absolutely what we need. Someone to build fantastic team spirit, someone who appreciates the value of our youth teams, someone with genuine passion for the club
It appears he wants us to play aggressive pressing football. We aren't going to get relegated. I'd love to see him given this season to prove his value. Who on the list isn't a risk. We get to try before we buy with unsworth. Think he could be a great manager if we give him a go instead of being snobby about it
Post by: Bluedylan on October 26, 2017, 05:29:07 PM
Post by: Lazarou on October 26, 2017, 05:44:35 PM
Sounds good doesn't he? Very confident in what he tries to impress on his teams and quite open with the press due to that confidence.
Post by: Bluedylan on October 26, 2017, 05:48:58 PM
Sounds good doesn't he? Very confident in what he tries to impress on his teams and quite open with the press due to that confidence.
Yep, and he confirmed that the plan was to stay compact and then open the game up second half, which 100% worked, only missing the finishing touch in front of goal. Shows tactical awareness, not just chest thumping and 'getting us'.
Post by: Waltzer on October 26, 2017, 06:00:07 PM
Yep, and he confirmed that the plan was to stay compact and then open the game up second half, which 100% worked, only missing the finishing touch in front of goal. Shows tactical awareness, not just chest thumping and 'getting us'.
Without trying to sound too down beat as the performance was better and there seemed to be much more desire, but its going to take more than a defeat against a second string Chelsea team to get me excited about the future or to strengthen Unsworths credentials to lead us forward. And whilst we stayed compact we still conceded and is it tactical awareness when he said he was only ever going to play McCarthy for 60 minutes, the game had to open up cause he was taking him off, it was premeditated and not necessarily reacting to the situation?
With the above said there were numerous plus points from the game but I think the next 2 games will be the real acid test as Leicester will surely have a boost following Puels appointment and Watford are flying, hope Beni gets a run out in the middle for them though.
Post by: Bluedylan on October 26, 2017, 06:07:36 PM
Without trying to sound too down beat as the performance was better and there seemed to be much more desire, but its going to take more than a defeat against a second string Chelsea team to get me excited about the future or to strengthen Unsworths credentials to lead us forward. And whilst we stayed compact we still conceded and is it tactical awareness when he said he was only ever going to play McCarthy for 60 minutes, the game had to open up cause he was taking him off, it was premeditated and not necessarily reacting to the situation?
With the above said there were numerous plus points from the game but I think the next 2 games will be the real acid test as Leicester will surely have a boost following Puels appointment and Watford are flying, hope Beni gets a run out in the middle for them though.
I've said repeatedly (and Unsworth's said) we want the best manager for the club. If we could get Tuchel, or someone of that ilk, Unsworth shouldn't even be a consideration.
I'm just attempting to illustrate that in one 90 minute session he came up with a more coherent plan than Koeman managed in any game this season, and that we shouldn't just dismiss him as just a chest thumper with no tactical awareness. No it's not some tactical masterclass, but it was effective and but for poor finishing, would've worked a treat and won us the game. He deserves some credit for that in such a small amount of time.
Post by: Lazarou on October 26, 2017, 06:07:59 PM
Without trying to sound too down beat as the performance was better and there seemed to be much more desire, but its going to take more than a defeat against a second string Chelsea team to get me excited about the future or to strengthen Unsworths credentials to lead us forward. And whilst we stayed compact we still conceded and is it tactical awareness when he said he was only ever going to play McCarthy for 60 minutes, the game had to open up cause he was taking him off, it was premeditated and not necessarily reacting to the situation?
With the above said there were numerous plus points from the game but I think the next 2 games will be the real acid test as Leicester will surely have a boost following Puels appointment and Watford are flying, hope Beni gets a run out in the middle for them though.
Oh piss off you realist ;) (not the realist). Taking all that into account all that I doubt there would be many managers who could have coaxed that sort of performance from that team last night after the confidence sapping start to the season, long term who knows.
Post by: Macca77 on October 26, 2017, 06:09:10 PM
Post by: Waltzer on October 26, 2017, 06:12:18 PM
Oh piss off you realist ;) (not the realist). Taking all that into account all that I doubt there would be many managers who could have coaxed that sort of performance from that team last night after the confidence sapping start to the season, long term who knows.
Abuse accepted :)
I suppose we'll see at the weekend what type of response the Leicester team have with their new manager? I do hope Unsworth smashes it but I also think you cant really read much into last night
Post by: Gash on October 26, 2017, 06:56:13 PM
Without trying to sound too down beat as the performance was better and there seemed to be much more desire, but its going to take more than a defeat against a second string Chelsea team to get me excited about the future or to strengthen Unsworths credentials to lead us forward.
They still had a strong team out and we weren't exactly at full strength either. A young lad making his debut, two players who'd hardly featured and very inexperienced right back. At the risk of repeating myself, the fact they had to bring in Fabregas, Morata and Pedro to see the game out says a lot about how uncomfortable we made it for them.
Post by: Normm on October 26, 2017, 08:36:26 PM
How about Tuchel with Unsworth as his number 2
Patience! Give the man a chance. That second half display was the most encouraging performance I have seen from Everton in months. I doubt any other manager could have produced this reaction from the players.
For the first time in ages, Everton actually looked like a team.
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 26, 2017, 08:57:57 PM
Also our thing should be we are number 1 for top prospects. We can't be number 1 for worldclass players but we can be the best place for young players who maybe wouldn't get in a Chelsea or city team yet
Unsworth would be perfect for that.
Honestly I think he's absolutely what we need. Someone to build fantastic team spirit, someone who appreciates the value of our youth teams, someone with genuine passion for the club
It appears he wants us to play aggressive pressing football. We aren't going to get relegated. I'd love to see him given this season to prove his value. Who on the list isn't a risk. We get to try before we buy with unsworth. Think he could be a great manager if we give him a go instead of being snobby about it
And no more Quixotic runs like the Rooney vanity project, which was so very West Ham of us.
Post by: Coyb12 on October 26, 2017, 11:08:47 PM
Funny that, it was mostly our second 11 too.Don't be silly.
Post by: Rodenplav64 on October 26, 2017, 11:20:05 PM
Without trying to sound too down beat as the performance was better and there seemed to be much more desire, but its going to take more than a defeat against a second string Chelsea team to get me excited about the future or to strengthen Unsworths credentials to lead us forward. And whilst we stayed compact we still conceded and is it tactical awareness when he said he was only ever going to play McCarthy for 60 minutes, the game had to open up cause he was taking him off, it was premeditated and not necessarily reacting to the situation?
With the above said there were numerous plus points from the game but I think the next 2 games will be the real acid test as Leicester will surely have a boost following Puels appointment and Watford are flying, hope Beni gets a run out in the middle for them though.
Can we stop calling the likes of Willian , Kenedy , Batshuayi , Christensen , Zapacosta , Cahill , Pedro , Drinkwater , Moratta and Fabregas 2nd string . Given the comparative strength of both squads it was a great effort under the circumstances .
Post by: blargins on October 26, 2017, 11:44:21 PM
Don't be silly.
Let's see:
Kenny
Jags or Williams
Mirallas
Lennon
McCarthy
Baningime
And Davies hasn't been in the first 11 much this season either.
Then the subs Lookman and Niasse.
So yes, my statement is correct.
Post by: Coyb12 on October 26, 2017, 11:46:36 PM
Post by: Waltzer on October 26, 2017, 11:47:12 PM
Can we stop calling the likes of Willian , Kenedy , Batshuayi , Christensen , Zapacosta , Cahill , Pedro , Drinkwater , Moratta and Fabregas 2nd string . Given the comparative strength of both squads it was a great effort under the circumstances .
Kenedy , Batshuayi , Christensen , Zapacosta , Drinkwater rarely start, neither does Cabellero and you could probably throw Willian in to that too. Yes most would walk into our first team but not theirs. Fabregas didnt come on until 63 minutes and Morata 85th, so yes predominantly it was Chelsea' second string, or should I call them 'not their fist team regulars'?
Post by: Waltzer on October 26, 2017, 11:48:31 PM
Kenedy , Batshuayi , Christensen , Zapacosta , Drinkwater rarely start, neither does Cabellero and you could probably throw Willian in to that too. Yes most would walk into our first team but not theirs. Fabregas didnt come on until 63 minutes and Morata 85th, so yes predominantly it was Chelsea' second string, or should I call them 'not their fist team regulars'? Also, 17 year old Ethan Ampadu made his debut in centre midfield for them!
Post by: Shropshire Blue on October 27, 2017, 12:04:40 AM
How would the fans react if the club took the risk and it didn't work, and when would we decide it wasn't working?
It's all about opinions and I think it's worth the risk. Why? Because if it worked we would have something so rare and precious in modern football. A real Evertonian in charge, someone who knows the club and its culture. It may put back progress on the field for 12 months as mistakes will be made but long term? Just think about it!
Post by: TheTone on October 27, 2017, 12:53:07 AM
with Koeman i'd have probably jogged up, laid against the wall, lit up a ciggy and flicked a few V's towards his grumpy head
Post by: BlueForYou on October 27, 2017, 12:58:38 AM
Post by: Ridge on October 27, 2017, 02:40:32 AM
So have attached U23 league tables, here's the overall league results since Koeman's arrival.
Unsworth with under 23s : 30 Played / 20 Wins / 4 Draws / 6 Losses / Goals / 63 For / 26 Against.
Koeman with first team: 47 Played / 19 Wins / 12 Draws / 16 Losses / Goals / 69 For / 62 Against
Unsworth - 66% win percentage / 20% Losses / 2.1 goals per game / 0.9 goals against
Koeman - 40% win percentage / 33% Losses /1.5 goals per game for / 1.3 goals against
Post by: Waltzer on October 27, 2017, 02:55:09 AM
Figured it was worth trying to do something to convey Unsworth performance with under 23s with a bit more detail.This reads like you're drawing a comparison between the u23s league and the premiership?
So have attached U23 league tables, here's the overall league results since Koeman's arrival.
Unsworth with under 23s : 30 Played / 20 Wins / 4 Draws / 6 Losses / Goals / 63 For / 26 Against.
Koeman with first team: 47 Played / 19 Wins / 12 Draws / 16 Losses / Goals / 69 For / 62 Against
Unsworth - 66% win percentage / 20% Losses / 2.1 goals per game / 0.9 goals against
Koeman - 40% win percentage / 33% Losses /1.5 goals per game for / 1.3 goals against
Post by: Ridge on October 27, 2017, 03:13:19 AM
This reads like you're drawing a comparison between the u23s league and the premiership?
This one's for you :cheers:
Figured it was worth trying to do something to convey Unsworth performance with under 23s with a bit more detail.
So have attached U23 league tables, here's the overall league results since Koeman's arrival.
Unsworth with under 23s : 30 Played / 20 Wins / 4 Draws / 6 Losses / Goals / 63 For / 26 Against
Unsworth - 66% win percentage / 20% Losses / 2.1 goals per game / 0.9 goals against
Post by: Rodenplav64 on October 27, 2017, 04:58:48 AM
Kenedy , Batshuayi , Christensen , Zapacosta , Drinkwater rarely start, neither does Cabellero and you could probably throw Willian in to that too. Yes most would walk into our first team but not theirs. Fabregas didnt come on until 63 minutes and Morata 85th, so yes predominantly it was Chelsea' second string, or should I call them 'not their fist team regulars'?
Semantics . Compared to us then they have 2 first teams .
Post by: montanatoffeefan on October 27, 2017, 05:32:38 AM
Left back was least of the problems, Walter at times used to use him centre midfield!
I just suffered a Phil Neville flashback.
Post by: montanatoffeefan on October 27, 2017, 05:35:16 AM
I would have ran through a brick wall in the desert to play for Everton - no matter the manager...................pla y for the fans
Straq ran through a brick wall once for Moyes.
But it was just to get to the lockerroom after Moyes told Straq he was wearing the wrong kind of boots. And Straq missed the doorway.
Post by: Ridge on October 27, 2017, 08:39:59 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/41756907
Post by: Polledreng on October 27, 2017, 11:21:51 AM
I would have ran through a brick wall in the desert to play for Everton - no matter the manager...................pla y for the fansYeah rumors of players revolt against both Martinez and Koeman points a little finger at the likes of Baines and Jags. Would like to see Them running through brick walls no matter the manager.
Post by: Toddacelli on October 27, 2017, 01:52:53 PM
Without trying to sound too down beat as the performance was better and there seemed to be much more desire, but its going to take more than a defeat against a second string Chelsea team to get me excited about the future or to strengthen Unsworths credentials to lead us forward. And whilst we stayed compact we still conceded and is it tactical awareness when he said he was only ever going to play McCarthy for 60 minutes, the game had to open up cause he was taking him off, it was premeditated and not necessarily reacting to the situation?
With the above said there were numerous plus points from the game but I think the next 2 games will be the real acid test as Leicester will surely have a boost following Puels appointment and Watford are flying, hope Beni gets a run out in the middle for them though.
Agree 100% with @Gash (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=14) in response to this - Chelsea may have had some less regular players, but no more than we did and they had to bring Pedro, Fabregas and Morata on just to get over the finishing line. It was one of them where you reckon if we played another half an hourwe might have won it.
Also to address another couple of points you raised:
"whilst we stayed compact we still conceded" - this was against the champions, only one goal, momentary lapse of concentration with a piss-poor Everton side in the relegation zone, lacking confidence and direction before that night. They didn't have our pants down - they just got one goal.
"is it tactical awareness when he said he was only ever going to play McCarthy for 60 minutes, the game had to open up cause he was taking him off, it was premeditated and not necessarily reacting to the situation?" - yes it is tactical awareness if this is how he thought the game would go before a ball was even kicked. He had to be tactically aware of how to set up against a team like Chelsea. If he wanted to keep that type of pressing game he could have put Besic on for McCarthy in a straight-swap and kept the same shape. I don't know if Besic was on the bench but he could have named him on the benchif that was what he intended. Insted he thought if we have McCarthy for 60 mins - lets keep it tight to frustrate them and then go at them to really give them something to worry about. He wanted to stay in the game for as long as possible before leaving gaps when we attack - which is very sensible against a strong side. You don't want to lose it in the first half.
The very fact that it was pre-meditated proves that at that point, things were still more-or-less going to plan. Ok we didn't want to concede but with only one goal in it - we were still very much in the game when we took it to them.
Post by: Toddacelli on October 27, 2017, 01:54:51 PM
Straq ran through a brick wall once for Moyes.
But it was just to get to the lockerroom after Moyes told Straq he was wearing the wrong kind of boots. And Straq missed the doorway.
Tooled!
Post by: Bob Sacamano on October 27, 2017, 02:03:30 PM
Post by: Jimmywhack on October 27, 2017, 02:24:05 PM
Baines seemed more up for it than he has for a while.He had someone to play with for once
Post by: MmmblueBernard on October 27, 2017, 03:00:40 PM
Here's an interesting McNulty article on the win record of Sheff United manager Chris Wilder
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/41756907
Nice article. Didn’t realise how well he’d done.
Post by: Lxxx on October 27, 2017, 03:19:11 PM
I would have ran through a brick wall in the desert to play for Everton - no matter the manager...................pla y for the fans
Lovely
Post by: Lxxx on October 27, 2017, 03:21:51 PM
If he wanted to keep that type of pressing game he could have put Besic on for McCarthy in a straight-swap and kept the same shape. I don't know if Besic was on the bench but he could have named him on the benchif that was what he intended.
If introducing Besic is ever part of your tactical plan then you've seriously misinterpreted what is required.
Post by: Bob Sacamano on October 27, 2017, 04:18:32 PM
He had someone to play with for once
I felt the drive and determination had gone, so to see him wanting the ball and busting a gut to get up the pitch warmed my heart.
Post by: Toddacelli on October 27, 2017, 04:51:11 PM
If introducing Besic is ever part of your tactical plan then you've seriously misinterpreted what is required.
Boooooooo! Besic for captain!
(purely sentimental reasons - not based on ability)
Post by: Hawkandro on October 27, 2017, 06:37:45 PM
If introducing Besic is ever part of your tactical plan then you've seriously misinterpreted what is required.
Unless you need a booking to complete your Acca.
Post by: Macca77 on October 27, 2017, 08:00:05 PM
Gana close to a new deal
https://twitter.com/AHunterGuardian/status/923893244697686017
Post by: everton1952 on October 27, 2017, 08:19:49 PM
Post by: blueToffee on October 27, 2017, 10:49:29 PM
Barkley 3-4 weeks away from fitness
Gana close to a new deal
https://twitter.com/AHunterGuardian/status/923893244697686017
Hmm...99.9% done?
Post by: kramer0 on October 27, 2017, 10:54:04 PM
Gana doesn't need a new contract.
Post by: Paddockoldie on October 27, 2017, 11:04:17 PM
Post by: kramer0 on October 27, 2017, 11:14:47 PM
https://twitter.com/11tegen11/status/923617821409595393 (https://twitter.com/11tegen11/status/923617821409595393)
We allowed some decent opportunities* and it's not unusual to lose to superior finishing/goalkeeping but, even if you take away Calvert-Lewin's goal at the end, it looks like we created the better chances.
* Not too much in the center of the box, though, which is promising.
Post by: Ridge on October 27, 2017, 11:55:50 PM
***Miserable Bastard Warning***
Gana doesn't need a new contract.
Probably earned one though.
Good to keep him happy, endorse his importance to club. I wouldn't be surprised if a few clubs were in his agents ear.
Post by: Tinga on October 27, 2017, 11:58:20 PM
***Miserable Bastard Warning***
Gana doesn't need a new contract.
Doesn't matter, this player is one we need to keep at Everton and if he wants a new contract, give him it.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 28, 2017, 12:01:20 AM
***Miserable Bastard Warning***
Gana doesn't need a new contract.
Why what's he currently earning and how long is left on his contract?
Post by: Ridge on October 28, 2017, 12:37:02 AM
Whether or not Chelsea's B team was a good level of opposition, this looks good to me (click on the shot map):
https://twitter.com/11tegen11/status/923617821409595393 (https://twitter.com/11tegen11/status/923617821409595393)
We allowed some decent opportunities* and it's not unusual to lose to superior finishing/goalkeeping but, even if you take away Calvert-Lewin's goal at the end, it looks like we created the better chances.
* Not too much in the center of the box, though, which is promising.
It had a shape, which was an improvement. But interesting on several fronts.
Looks like doubling up with Kenny and Lennon, hampered their left side and limited Musonda's options and subsequently Batshuayi. While Mirallas left Zappacosta to play as right winger against Baines, without major effect.
We look the more unbalanced side, but they were dragged out of position. With Beni/Davies Lennon/Kenny both almost interchangeable and Mirallas as more direct 2nd striker or satellite in system. But Cahill is dragged out wide to cover threat on Chelsea's left, while Zappacosta created not a lot, despite advanced position and freedom.
Post by: van der Meyde on October 28, 2017, 01:04:21 AM
Probably earned one though.I suspect @kramer0 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4360)'s point is a little more along the lines of we should actually be selling him to one of the clubs in his agent's ear...
Good to keep him happy, endorse his importance to club. I wouldn't be surprised if a few clubs were in his agents ear.
Given that we're constrained by FFP, selling for a profit, rather than tying a 28 year old player until he's well in to his 30s, is definitely the more analayticsy thing to do.
One might suggest that we're seeing the problems with new contracts with Jagielka and Baines now too. 👀
Post by: Ridge on October 28, 2017, 01:36:52 AM
I suspect @kramer0 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4360)'s point is a little more along the lines of we should actually be selling him to one of the clubs in his agent's ear...
Given that we're constrained by FFP, selling for a profit, rather than tying a 28 year old player until he's well in to his 30s, is definitely the more analayticsy thing to do.
One might suggest that we're seeing the problems with new contracts with Jagielka and Baines now too. 👀
If you're thinking about selling, you're still better off signing a new deal. It will increase or help retain player value. From about 2 years out, you'll can see a decline in relations and a devaluing of a player's worth. Think Gana signed 4 years deal, so would be down to 2 in the summer, same place as Lukaku is summer just gone.
Transfer fees reflect the value of a contract and so, agreeing a new one, pushes the price up and it might deter suitors, but I don't think we'd have any difficulty selling Gueye if we wanted to.
He's the kind of player that fans can take for granted and complain about his creative side, but that he's involved that much is the point with players like Kante and Gueye. It's like a homing sensor, a low centre of gravity and no off switch.
That first goal against Arsenal will be forgotten because of the relatively small significance. But that was not a gift or a mistake, it was a forced mistake and so valuable in that area of the pitch and something he does on a scale that none of our other players compete with.
I'm not sure Gueye and Beni sounds like the partnership, or tutelage you'd want to endorse, but if it makes sense and works, who are we to judge.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 28, 2017, 02:13:33 AM
I suspect @kramer0 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4360)'s point is a little more along the lines of we should actually be selling him to one of the clubs in his agent's ear...
Given that we're constrained by FFP, selling for a profit, rather than tying a 28 year old player until he's well in to his 30s, is definitely the more analayticsy thing to do.
One might suggest that we're seeing the problems with new contracts with Jagielka and Baines now too. 👀
Surely it depends on the numbers. Does anyone actually know the numbers
Post by: van der Meyde on October 28, 2017, 02:21:23 AM
Transfer fees reflect the value of a contract and so, agreeing a new one, pushes the price up and it might deter suitors, but I don't think we'd have any difficulty selling Gueye if we wanted to.I think you're neglecting the other side of a player's contract: the player's wages.
There are some frankly outrageous salaries being rumoured for the likes of Sandro, Sigurdsson and Klaassen. It wouldn't be at all unreasonable for him to demand parity with them if that was true.
Everton might not have a problem finding a buyer, but Gueye would almost certainly have trouble finding somebody who'll match a salary of £100k+/week for that length of time.
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 28, 2017, 02:39:47 AM
The American reports say Everton think/want Beni to become our version of Kante, and eventually replace Gana in the engine room. But it's nice for there to be assured an orderly transition.
Post by: Shogun on October 30, 2017, 12:33:27 AM
Sigurdsson has shown over the last three seasons he's a top player whereas Rooney? No so much.
DCL isn't enough of a goal threat as much as I like him. Niasse would have been a better option, especially away from home.
Davies in a midfield 2 just doesn't work. Play Schneiderlin if he's fit enough to make the bench.
Not much choice in the back 4 so can't criticise him much. Perhaps Holgate for Kenny but even he gave away a stupid penalty against Lyon.
Might have even been better countering their back 3 with one of our own but that's hindsight.
Post by: Ridge on October 30, 2017, 12:54:43 AM
But it was the wrong call in hindsight, trying to be positive and aggressive. You can't tell how all the players will perform or the weak links, you can only go on evidence. But changes during the game were good again and identified problems and improved, and we had ambition and attacking intent throughout, even if we didn't create much.
I think it was a game, that most of the more pragmatic managers would have settled for a draw, setup defence to be solid and then see what they can create or nick as you frustrate. Second half we found that wasn't a lot, but they'd already got it in the bag, so they didn't have to open up.
It was a bad result, a poor performance, but there are not obvious solutions, or otherwise he wouldn't be in the role. I thought he has identified problems and managed what he can, in terms of dropping Keane in defence. But solving creativity and goalscoring issues is never likely to happen overnight.
And can understand that when we were planning to press high up and take game to Leicester, you can't afford players who aren't really settled in the team. In that individual errors or misunderstanding, will leave you open to a dangerous fast team. But I think someone like Vlasic, might be worth playing into the team. It's just that Koeman and now Unsworth know they don't have the time to ride it out, each game is too important.
Post by: toffee_scot on October 30, 2017, 12:55:04 AM
I think Unsworth was a little naive in the first half playing both Davies and Gana in a 2 man central midfield (well 3 if you count the number of times Rooney dropped deep. The substitutions were a bit weird with both wingers being dropped, I disagree with the manager's comment that Mirallas "couldn't get into the game" as he was at least trying to create things. We had more possession and dominated the second half, but I wonder if it was more because Leicester let us because they knew they could create great chances on the counterattack and quite frankly their defence was really on top of everything.
I expect Unsworth will have learnt from this and improve things for the Watford game.
Post by: Jimmywhack on October 30, 2017, 12:55:56 AM
He showed too much faith in certain players today.I totally disagree with the niasse comment as away from home for me you need someone to make it stick
Sigurdsson has shown over the last three seasons he's a top player whereas Rooney? No so much.
DCL isn't enough of a goal threat as much as I like him. Niasse would have been a better option, especially away from home.
Davies in a midfield 2 just doesn't work. Play Schneiderlin if he's fit enough to make the bench.
Not much choice in the back 4 so can't criticise him much. Perhaps Holgate for Kenny but even he gave away a stupid penalty against Lyon.
Might have even been better countering their back 3 with one of our own but that's hindsight.
Sigurdsson has been poor since he signed and rooney had been nowhere near as bad so I go that
Didn't get the subs at all.... He came out in the paper this week saying he likes width, balls in the box etc so why take off two wingers??
Post by: wepull on October 30, 2017, 01:04:45 AM
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on October 30, 2017, 01:32:57 AM
If it's true I hope it doesn't cause a rift, had enough of them.
https://twitter.com/Joey7Barton/status/924714884817965062
Post by: Heisenberg on October 30, 2017, 02:16:19 AM
He showed too much faith in certain players today.
Sigurdsson has shown over the last three seasons he's a top player whereas Rooney? No so much.
DCL isn't enough of a goal threat as much as I like him. Niasse would have been a better option, especially away from home.
Davies in a midfield 2 just doesn't work. Play Schneiderlin if he's fit enough to make the bench.
Not much choice in the back 4 so can't criticise him much. Perhaps Holgate for Kenny but even he gave away a stupid penalty against Lyon.
Might have even been better countering their back 3 with one of our own but that's hindsight.
Agree with all except niasse shout. DCL is a target at least so I think the team is better off with him opposed to oumar
Post by: gizzblue on October 30, 2017, 02:32:21 AM
Hes a gobshite, but not sure what to make of this comment?Don't even read his shite,has a fucking idiot yard dog twat, who's inability to be civil at best stopped him having any real chance at a decent career ...now he's a prick pundit type who thinks he's Cantona Esq in his musings ...
If it's true I hope it doesn't cause a rift, had enough of them.
https://twitter.com/Joey7Barton/status/924714884817965062
Fucking yoghurt of a man.
Post by: Shogun on October 30, 2017, 02:43:19 AM
Agree with all except niasse shout. DCL is a target at least so I think the team is better off with him opposed to oumar
I don't see the point in having a striker to make it stick when he can't score goals anyway.
At least Niasse has a knack of scoring terrible goals
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on October 30, 2017, 02:44:03 AM
Don't even read his shite,has a fucking idiot yard dog twat, who's inability to be civil at best stopped him having any real chance at a decent career ...now he's a prick pundit type who thinks he's Cantona Esq in his musings ...
Fucking yoghurt of a man.
Do you like him?
Post by: Lxxx on October 30, 2017, 02:46:32 AM
Hes a gobshite, but not sure what to make of this comment?
If it's true I hope it doesn't cause a rift, had enough of them.
https://twitter.com/Joey7Barton/status/924714884817965062
He also said Unsworth was a glorified PE teacher on Talksport today. Can someone just chin the fucker.
Post by: Rhys on October 30, 2017, 03:26:12 AM
I don't see the point in having a striker to make it stick when he can't score goals anyway.
At least Niasse has a knack of scoring terrible goals
That performance from Niasse today showed why Koeman was so keen to ship him out and showed what pretty much everyone thought of him before Koeman came in. He didnt deserve the treatment he got but he is a poor player no way near the standard of a player we should be using.
I know he has got a few goals but you cant have a player in the team that has no idea himself what to do in a lot of situations. The shot he had where spannered it wide, the position he was in you have to curl for the top corner he strikes with a technique that sends it away from goal. The cross down in the corner, you are facing away from goal at a tough angle hitting as hard as you can like you are shooting isnt going to do anything other go behind straight away. He did a few of them for Hull cant understand what goes through the head at that point. And that touch when rooney played him in, not even close to be able to get near the ball to do anything with it.
DCL is very minimal goal threat and really shouldnt be starting for us but there are no options. Niasse certainly starting games and absolutely on his own is just not possible in my opinion. Touch awful, no awareness and I'd be amazed if the players arent hesitant about giving the ball to him.
It is very desperate times that DCL is a regular starter for him and that Niasse is the next option as I dont think either are as good as Enner Valencia and he got ridiculed last season because he wasnt very good either.
Post by: Rhys on October 30, 2017, 03:32:47 AM
I know Sigurdsson has been poor but we know the level he can be so not sure why he is so far down the list to be used given our problems creating and scoring.
It's like he thought the crowd want width and us to be adventurous so went to be bold. However when we are playing this badly it isnt easy to switch it to being good to watch, attacking and creating lots of chances. Normally it comes from being solid, get a few results and when confidence comes the team improves. Just feels like should have made sure that middle was more secure first half either by having a midfield 3 and not playing Rooney or DCL, or made sure Rooney and the wide players tucked in more when we lost the ball.
Post by: Lxxx on October 30, 2017, 03:34:32 AM
http://dailym.ai/2zYFRSb
Can someone just do this gobshite.
Post by: blueToffee on October 30, 2017, 03:38:57 AM
That performance from Niasse today showed why Koeman was so keen to ship him out and showed what pretty much everyone thought of him before Koeman came in. He didnt deserve the treatment he got but he is a poor player no way near the standard of a player we should be using.
I know he has got a few goals but you cant have a player in the team that has no idea himself what to do in a lot of situations. The shot he had where spannered it wide, the position he was in you have to curl for the top corner he strikes with a technique that sends it away from goal. The cross down in the corner, you are facing away from goal at a tough angle hitting as hard as you can like you are shooting isnt going to do anything other go behind straight away. He did a few of them for Hull cant understand what goes through the head at that point. And that touch when rooney played him in, not even close to be able to get near the ball to do anything with it.
DCL is very minimal goal threat and really shouldnt be starting for us but there are no options. Niasse certainly starting games and absolutely on his own is just not possible in my opinion. Touch awful, no awareness and I'd be amazed if the players arent hesitant about giving the ball to him.
It is very desperate times that DCL is a regular starter for him and that Niasse is the next option as I dont think either are as good as Enner Valencia and he got ridiculed last season because he wasnt very good either.
I’ve never really rated Mirallas up top, always thought that option was a non-starter but due to our appauling options and the fact he doesn’t offer much from the wing he might be something of a goal threat up top. Not a target, but maybe a through ball from Rooney to Lennon would be up his street. I just don’t think this DCL approach can keep going, aside from the game against Man City it’s so non-effective.
Our attacking options must be the worst in the league. Or very close to it. I was even starting to wonder if there are any free agents out there, it’s that bad.
Maybe with Barkley back soon we can do away with Rooney in midfield and have him up top with another.
Post by: Brownie on October 30, 2017, 03:41:08 AM
Joey Barton slams Everton manager David Unsworth
http://dailym.ai/2zYFRSb
Can someone just do this gobshite.
It's not like Joseph to say something derogatory like this
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 30, 2017, 03:43:54 AM
The striker situation is beyond laughable. There's been plenty that have moved that would have signed for us that are infinitely better than niasse and DCL. Not players we would have been originally excited by but players who'd at least allow us to field a competent 11
Post by: Rhys on October 30, 2017, 03:44:13 AM
I’ve never really rated Mirallas up top, always thought that option was a non-starter but due to our appauling options and the fact he doesn’t offer much from the wing he might be something of a goal threat up top. Not a target, but maybe a through ball from Rooney to Lennon would be up his street. I just don’t think this DCL approach can keep going, aside from the game against Man City it’s so non-effective.
Our attacking options must be the worst in the league. Or very close to it. I was even starting to wonder if there are any free agents out there, it’s that bad.
Maybe with Barkley back soon we can do away with Rooney in midfield and have him up top with another.
Whenever I've watched a PL game this season I look and think would all the strikers on the pitch get in our team. When I can't find many arguments against Sam Vokes and Benik Afobe getting in our team you know we are in serious trouble in that position!!
Post by: Coyb12 on October 30, 2017, 03:48:11 AM
Niasse was terrible today. He contributed a lot more than DCL though. Least he got himself in positions to fuck it up.Niasse is a turd of a player and Lewin is like having a 14year old playing up front his movement is none and he is bullied all game his hold up play is shite and I don't give a fuck how old he is,he Is dire.
The striker situation is beyond laughable. There's been plenty that have moved that would have signed for us that are infinitely better than niasse and DCL. Not players we would have been originally excited by but players who'd at least allow us to field a competent 11
Post by: D_murph0278 on October 30, 2017, 03:49:57 AM
I remember spurs completely blowing the 'Bale money a few years back. Fuck me, out of £150+ million spent this year, we've got a decent keeper and maybe Keane will come good. Oh and we have Niasse and Calvert Lewin as our main strikers with Ashley Williams keeping things 'tight' at the back.
Fucking laughable.
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on October 30, 2017, 03:50:46 AM
Whenever I've watched a PL game this season I look and think would all the strikers on the pitch get in our team. When I can't find many arguments against Sam Vokes and Benik Afobe getting in our team you know we are in serious trouble in that position!!I made this comment a few weeks ago - I said Glenn Murray would walk into our team and was slaughtered for it...wasn’t suggesting him as a signing, just said he’s better than we have...
Post by: Waltzer on October 30, 2017, 03:52:26 AM
Post by: blueToffee on October 30, 2017, 03:54:31 AM
Whenever I've watched a PL game this season I look and think would all the strikers on the pitch get in our team. When I can't find many arguments against Sam Vokes and Benik Afobe getting in our team you know we are in serious trouble in that position!!
Ok free agents:
Benoît Trémoulinas for Left Back.
Giuseppe Rossi for striker alongside Cheick Diabaté.
Woot. All our problems solved :)
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 30, 2017, 03:55:19 AM
Niasse is a turd of a player and Lewin is like having a 14year old playing up front his movement is none and he is bullied all game his hold up play is shite and I don't give a fuck how old he is,he Is dire.
I completely agree. Even when people talk about the moments he does well it's stuff like a clever flick or good hold up play to win a throw. If these were the bread and butter he'd look promising but these are the highlights. I hope he goes on to become a great player but I just don't see it and in footballing terms he really isn't that young. He wouldn't get in any other premier league team.
Post by: GLewis on October 30, 2017, 03:56:00 AM
Didn’t Sigurdsson spend some time up front for Swansea, might be worth consideration?
Only as a “false 9”.
Really don’t think it should be so hard to get him and Rooney in the same team.
Post by: Rhys on October 30, 2017, 03:58:21 AM
I made this comment a few weeks ago - I said Glenn Murray would walk into our team and was slaughtered for it...wasn’t suggesting him as a signing, just said he’s better than we have...
I was actually going to add him in as well but still cant quite admit that one to myself let alone the public.
Post by: oscar on October 30, 2017, 04:01:07 AM
Post by: Lxxx on October 30, 2017, 04:03:55 AM
Post by: Coyb12 on October 30, 2017, 04:08:57 AM
Joey Barton slams Everton manager David UnsworthHe got one thing right Unsworth cannot be our next manager.
http://dailym.ai/2zYFRSb
Can someone just do this gobshite.
Post by: Lxxx on October 30, 2017, 04:12:34 AM
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on October 30, 2017, 04:12:44 AM
I was actually going to add him in as well but still cant quite admit that one to myself let alone the public.Sobering...
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on October 30, 2017, 04:16:20 AM
Can someone just do this gobshite.
Be careful with that word fella
Post by: TheRam on October 30, 2017, 05:31:55 AM
He could've easily pandered to the crowd, opened the game up even more and chased the goal. We would've been 3-0 down within five minutes looking at the end of a thrashing.
Instead he consolidated, made us more narrow and we controlled the game better.
The game was already lost at half time like, but that could've been a lot worse.
Post by: brap2 on October 30, 2017, 05:12:11 PM
Post by: Waltzer on October 30, 2017, 05:17:47 PM
Hopefully an appointment will be made this week.
Dont worry if it takes longer, id rather we appoint the right person rather than rush this decision.
If I was a manager id be tempted to try to hold fire until January before coming in as looking at the squad you'd struggle to see how or where you could improve certain elements?
Post by: brap2 on October 30, 2017, 06:32:07 PM
Dont worry if it takes longer, id rather we appoint the right person rather than rush this decision.
If I was a manager id be tempted to try to hold fire until January before coming in as looking at the squad you'd struggle to see how or where you could improve certain elements?
Yep you're not wrong, I do worry about going through another two months winless however.
Post by: Waltzer on October 30, 2017, 07:16:12 PM
Yep you're not wrong, I do worry about going through another two months winless however.
Glad to see you're as positive as me with regards to our chances over the next few months!! :)
Post by: Normm on October 30, 2017, 07:27:21 PM
Leicester (first half) saw a recurrence of recent problems this season: lack of movement up front, slow mid-field, wide men not getting forward.
The lack of balance was helped when Beni came on - he linked up well in mid-field. Sigs also seemed more comfortable at No 10 when Rooney went off.
Next game: Unsy must consider using Lookman again to provide more of an attacking threat and to give more space to other strikers when defenders are drawn away to stop him. Beni, Gaye and Davies link up well together. Sigs could replace Rooney, with chance to recover form.
Give Unsy more time to show his mettle as manager.
Post by: GLewis on October 30, 2017, 07:29:59 PM
Thought he showed some astute management for someone in his position with his subs at half time.
He could've easily pandered to the crowd, opened the game up even more and chased the goal. We would've been 3-0 down within five minutes looking at the end of a thrashing.
Instead he consolidated, made us more narrow and we controlled the game better.
The game was already lost at half time like, but that could've been a lot worse.
It seemed panicked to me.
They were already 2-0 up and more than happy to see the game out.
Bar Rooney’s ball to Niasse we created no decent chances because they were happy to let us have the ball as we only had Rooney with any ingenuity about him.
You don’t need two run in behind Strikers against a team that’s happy to sit back.
Not bringing on Sigurdsson until 10 mins to go (and then for Rooney) was poor too.
If he wanted to tighten up the game then changing at least one of the CMs for a sitter would have at least meant that we maintained some of the only good things from the first half (Rooney to Lennon).
That’s all based on how he’d been bigging up width etc sonitd would have had to have been a fairly seismic shift in realisation of things to abandon it all completely.
All seemed very naive.
Post by: Redartin on October 30, 2017, 07:56:37 PM
With Unsworth's first two matches we were shit first half and improved second half. Granted he made half time changes, which would account for some of that.
Why can we not get a full 90 minutes from this squad. It is clearly not a fitness thing, but why can they not get fired right away and stay that way. I don't think we played well in a full match for a long time.
Post by: Lxxx on October 30, 2017, 08:04:52 PM
The 45 minutes per match theme seems to be continuing. This was something that appeared to start under Koeman where we played well in the first half of a game, and then went to shit in the second half, or visa versa.
With Unsworth's first two matches we were shit first half and improved second half. Granted he made half time changes, which would account for some of that.
Why can we not get a full 90 minutes from this squad. It is clearly not a fitness thing, but why can they not get fired right away and stay that way. I don't think we played well in a full match for a long time.
Usually the first 45 minutes too. Clearly none of them are enthused about pulling on the shirt and playing for us at the minute. It's only when they're warmed up they start to be arsed.
Post by: kramer0 on October 31, 2017, 09:21:32 PM
https://twitter.com/Caley_graphics/status/924709449956241409 (https://twitter.com/Caley_graphics/status/924709449956241409)
If I wasn't lazy, I'd download that picture, draw a big red circle around that clustering of shots allowed in the middle of the box, and label it "where Schneiderlin or Baningime could have helped."
Playing a 4-4-2 with two positionally undisciplined midfielders in a tricky away fixture was naive. For the time being, he needs to stick with the rigid 4-3-3 for away matches. If we manage to scrap a goal, perfect. If not, we have the option to open things up in the second half with one easy switch (forward for centre mid). He can be a little more aggressive at home, although I still think we need someone disciplined in midfield, like Schneiderlin, if we want to play with two centre forwards.
Unsworth is still my preferred option until the end of the season. I think he's been unfortunate to start off with three away fixtures against talented sides and that we'd actually have something to show for his early work if he had started with Brighton and Lyon at home instead of Chelsea, Leicester, and Lyon away. (Also, I think he's the only candidate that won't turn the club into a bigger behind-the-scenes mess than it already is.)
A few more naive choices will see my opinion change quickly, though.
Post by: boothill on October 31, 2017, 10:18:27 PM
This situation is a little trickier than after Chelsea.Has been a very tricky start for him, 3 differing styles too
https://twitter.com/Caley_graphics/status/924709449956241409 (https://twitter.com/Caley_graphics/status/924709449956241409)
If I wasn't lazy, I'd download that picture, draw a big red circle around that clustering of shots allowed in the middle of the box, and label it "where Schneiderlin or Baningime could have helped."
Playing a 4-4-2 with two positionally undisciplined midfielders in a tricky away fixture was naive. For the time being, he needs to stick with the rigid 4-3-3 for away matches. If we manage to scrap a goal, perfect. If not, we have the option to open things up in the second half with one easy switch (forward for centre mid). He can be a little more aggressive at home, although I still think we need someone disciplined in midfield, like Schneiderlin, if we want to play with two centre forwards.
Unsworth is still my preferred option until the end of the season. I think he's been unfortunate to start off with three away fixtures against talented sides and that we'd actually have something to show for his early work if he had started with Brighton and Lyon at home instead of Chelsea, Leicester, and Lyon away. (Also, I think he's the only candidate that won't turn the club into a bigger behind-the-scenes mess than it already is.)
A few more naive choices will see my opinion change quickly, though.
Post by: therealdunc on October 31, 2017, 10:26:30 PM
We played Chelsea reserves , a Leicester team with 1 more point than us.
He’s had a easy start and he’s not very good.
His level is u23s football with no pressure, if he wants to be a first team football league manager he needs to go and get experience in the non league or league 1/2 and do his learning there, not on the job at Everton.
But ‘he’s one of us’ :snigger:
Post by: bacon sarnie on October 31, 2017, 10:40:27 PM
But I like him!
Post by: sirblue57 on November 01, 2017, 01:22:40 AM
if its that easy I hope your putting your CV in to the club. and shouts for allerdyce and dyche? fuck off. if DU is not good enough ok, but even thinking about those two is fucking insulting. if Moshiri is not more ambitious than that, he can fuck off as well, and take kenwright with him.
sick of this shit, selling the club and supporters short.
no wonder the cunts across the park say we are a small club with attitudes like that. makes me want to puke.
Post by: Simon Paul on November 01, 2017, 01:24:49 AM
Would love to see Barton’s face if he ever ran into Unsy in a bar
get the impression that Rhino has slapped him to be honest
was during Barton's City days that he got a LOT of abuse from us at Goodison and reckon Rhino either gave him a clip or put in a crunching tackle - but Barton claims to respect that stuff
Post by: Normm on November 01, 2017, 04:04:19 AM
Anyone JB recommends should be considered with caution!
As for Unsy being a bit overweight for a guy with a stocky build, that is totally irrelevant. If he was charging out as captain, then Barton would have a point. But if a manager needs to be an exemplar of fitness, then all should be sacked! That's not their job. Besides, anyone with muscle looks fat in a suit - they don't call Tony Bellew 'Fat Boy' for nothing (but never to his face!).
The point is: can he inspire confidence, can he produce a balanced team that plays with heart and imagination, can he get results? ...He did with the youngsters, so let's see how he gets on over the next games with the first team. Give the guy a chance!
Post by: Coyb12 on November 01, 2017, 04:08:09 AM
fucking hell, there's a lot of FM player here, Unsworth has had an easy start? FUCK OFF! a badly balanced squad, low on confidence, played chelsea reserves? how many of them would improve our squad? and Leicester , premiership winners a while ago, yeah, easy peasy eh?Very eloquently put but fuck off.
if its that easy I hope your putting your CV in to the club. and shouts for allerdyce and dyche? fuck off. if DU is not good enough ok, but even thinking about those two is fucking insulting. if Moshiri is not more ambitious than that, he can fuck off as well, and take kenwright with him.
sick of this shit, selling the club and supporters short.
no wonder the cunts across the park say we are a small club with attitudes like that. makes me want to puke.
Post by: everton1952 on November 01, 2017, 05:55:34 AM
Post by: Mayor Farnum on November 01, 2017, 06:20:54 AM
We haven't got time to waste on auditions.
Post by: brap2 on November 01, 2017, 07:18:25 AM
In the couple of days after Koeman's sacking every time I saw the name Unsworth it was followed by 'to steady the ship up to tenth'. Now it seems to be followed by 'to see how he does'.
We haven't got time to waste on auditions.
Certainly not, it's unfair on unsworth and it's fucking dangerously ill-conceived on our part. How many U23 coaches would you be happy taking on for a bit to see what happens? Suck a lemon it ain't happening.
Let him get some chest slapping out of the lads for a few games before we hire the best tactical manager we can, get a process in place for squad recruitment and analysis, and let unsworth go back to quietly building an impressive (U23 coach) reputation, and there may be a more appropriate time to make the step
up.
I'd love it if he did well, I'd also love it if I did well at it, or jimmy the kitman, or Wayne Rooney player manager shagger bevvier, but it's count chocula fantasy stuff to try crowbar in a local hero like that will fix anything in this rotten side.
Post by: BlueMaquis on November 01, 2017, 07:41:49 AM
Barton is just trying to help get his mate Dyche into the job so he can feel more welcome at Goodison.
Anyone JB recommends should be considered with caution!
As for Unsy being a bit overweight for a guy with a stocky build, that is totally irrelevant. If he was charging out as captain, then Barton would have a point. But if a manager needs to be an exemplar of fitness, then all should be sacked! That's not their job. Besides, anyone with muscle looks fat in a suit - they don't call Tony Bellew 'Fat Boy' for nothing (but never to his face!).
The point is: can he inspire confidence, can he produce a balanced team that plays with heart and imagination, can he get results? ...He did with the youngsters, so let's see how he gets on over the next games with the first team. Give the guy a chance!
I don't think Unsworth is any fatter than Pochettino. He's certainly tougher and I know who i'd back in a fight.
Post by: Cuttyblue on November 01, 2017, 08:52:19 AM
Unsy deserves a chance. One league away loss to a team that won the league 2 years ago and has a record of waiting for a new manager to play well... he hasn't got a look in yet.
Let's see how the next home game or two goes.
Post by: Confucius on November 01, 2017, 10:25:53 AM
Post by: sirblue57 on November 01, 2017, 01:09:19 PM
Very eloquently put but fuck off.
Short, succinct, and lacking in any point. Probably.your best post recently.
Post by: sirblue57 on November 01, 2017, 01:17:37 PM
Gosh, through all the puking and threats never to go again and hoping the owners fuck off and other gross over reactions, people need to relax a bit and take stock of where we are. It is a mess for all sorts of reasons and will take someone experienced and very good at their job to get us out of the shit we are heading for. That rules out the learner Unsworth in my book. The vilification of Dyche and Allardyce is uncalled for. They are good at what they do. We are probably not an attractive proposition at this stage for any well known available "more prominent" managers from abroad or anywhere else. 3 year contract for Dyche, or a rest of the season one for Sam, and then regroup and see where we stand next May. Either manager would need to spend on established decent goal scorers in January. It is all a big disappointment but it is where we are.
They are not.good enough. Simple. And had Moshiri shown true ambition I doubt we sou.have been in this place now. R K was a poor choice, his record was not the best , probably a safety first appointmemnt. If thats what you want, lets go for.moyes. not spectacular but proven. Rather him than allerdyce.
But for.now.we have DU, who deserves a chance to show if he can make the transition. Two DIFFICULT games is not.enough, And certainly.not enough to warrant jumping for.fat Sam.
Post by: Waltzer on November 01, 2017, 02:08:43 PM
They are not.good enough. Simple. And had Moshiri shown true ambition I doubt we sou.have been in this place now. R K was a poor choice, his record was not the best , probably a safety first appointmemnt. If thats what you want, lets go for.moyes. not spectacular but proven. Rather him than allerdyce.
But for.now.we have DU, who deserves a chance to show if he can make the transition. Two DIFFICULT games is not.enough, And certainly.not enough to warrant jumping for.fat Sam.
I honestly wouldnt touch Moyes with a barge pole. He has highlighted his limitations on more than 1 occasion since leaving us, and even during spells with us. And Unsworth has done little to warrant this opportunity other than the fact hes an employee of the club.
Post by: sirblue57 on November 01, 2017, 02:39:09 PM
I honestly wouldnt touch Moyes with a barge pole. He has highlighted his limitations on more than 1 occasion since leaving us, and even during spells with us. And Unsworth has done little to warrant this opportunity other than the fact hes an employee of the club.
I have more faith in either of them than allerdyce. My point is just throwing names like his out there, is wrong, maybe Unsworth won't be good enough long term, but at the very least it gives us time to look at quality managers. And let's not forget, he has Joe Royle to back him up.
Let's just quit with the hyperbole please and give him a chance. And stop with the fat Sam shouts....it's depressing enough without that shit.
Post by: Waltzer on November 01, 2017, 03:09:20 PM
I have more faith in either of them than allerdyce. My point is just throwing names like his out there, is wrong, maybe Unsworth won't be good enough long term, but at the very least it gives us time to look at quality managers. And let's not forget, he has Joe Royle to back him up.
Let's just quit with the hyperbole please and give him a chance. And stop with the fat Sam shouts....it's depressing enough without that shit.
So you'd have more confidence in a manager that has been sacked on 2 of his last 3 appointments and left the other after getting them relegated cause he didnt want the fight, and a manager that has no experience managing, with the exception of U23s, who got it woefully wrong against Leicester over a manager that has never been relegated, generally improves teams, albeit his style of play may not be to everyone's taste and got enough recognition to manage his National team?
I dont want Allardyce to take over and think we should be aiming much, much higher but Moyes and Unsworth would be a farcical appointment if we do have plans on progressing, even more so than Sam.
Post by: gizzblue on November 01, 2017, 03:51:24 PM
How come we never get the new manager bump?Martinez first year ?.
Post by: sirblue57 on November 01, 2017, 04:51:04 PM
So you'd have more confidence in a manager that has been sacked on 2 of his last 3 appointments and left the other after getting them relegated cause he didnt want the fight, and a manager that has no experience managing, with the exception of U23s, who got it woefully wrong against Leicester over a manager that has never been relegated, generally improves teams, albeit his style of play may not be to everyone's taste and got enough recognition to manage his National team?
I dont want Allardyce to take over and think we should be aiming much, much higher but Moyes and Unsworth would be a farcical appointment if we do have plans on progressing, even more so than Sam.
I am saying that allerdyce is not much of a better option, and i would prefer him not to be associated with the club in any way. And for all moyes faults. He did some goos stuff and brought some veryvtalentes players in, on a paltey budget, and if your judging unsworth after two games against two sides much better than us, thats pathetic. Barely a week to assess and sort all the issues we have is beyond any manager imo.
Post by: brap2 on November 01, 2017, 04:58:08 PM
I am saying that allerdyce is not much of a better option, and i would prefer him not to be associated with the club in any way. And for all moyes faults. He did some goos stuff and brought some veryvtalentes players in, on a paltey budget, and if your judging unsworth after two games against two sides much better than us, thats pathetic. Barely a week to assess and sort all the issues we have is beyond any manager imo.
He’s not judging unsworth because as you rightly say you can count his first team games on one fucking hand which is part of the problem.
Post by: sirblue57 on November 01, 2017, 06:24:57 PM
He’s not judging unsworth because as you rightly say you can count his first team games on one fucking hand which is part of the problem.
So if he is not judging him, why bring it up?
We know he has little experience, but how do you get experience? So he is in place till January, that is when he should be judged.
And it gives the board time to make the best choice.....and neither Dyche or Allerdyce will be close...i truly hope.
Post by: Lxxx on November 01, 2017, 06:35:03 PM
How come we never get the new manager bump?
Martinez bumped us up to 5th, Koeman bumped us up to 7th.
Post by: Confucius on November 01, 2017, 07:29:41 PM
Post by: GLewis on November 01, 2017, 07:53:51 PM
I mean the first few games bunp
Won 4/5 of the first games with Koeman didn’t we?
Post by: GLewis on November 01, 2017, 07:57:51 PM
So if he is not judging him, why bring it up?
We know he has little experience, but how do you get experience? So he is in place till January, that is when he should be judged.
And it gives the board time to make the best choice.....and neither Dyche or Allerdyce will be close...i truly hope.
He doesn’t necessarily need to be judged though does he?
If there’s a top candidate willing to come in the next 2 weeks or whatever then he just moves aside.
This isn’t an actual trial with the idea that if he wins some games he stays on for another x amount of games.
It’s a Best case scenario thing that if a top manager isn’t available and he’s doing ok then we’re not in a panic stations position.
If for some reason he is in charge for a good while and he turns out to be really good (as really good is what we should be aiming for and as such that standard he should be judged against) then great.
Post by: brap2 on November 01, 2017, 08:23:56 PM
So if he is not judging him, why bring it up?
We know he has little experience, but how do you get experience? So he is in place till January, that is when he should be judged.
And it gives the board time to make the best choice.....and neither Dyche or Allerdyce will be close...i truly hope.
Go and get all the experience you like, but not while we’re gasping for air.
As a steady the ship with a man who’s well liked and well thought of in the club - 100% happy with that we are lucky to have a talented young coach so ingrained in our identity who can step up for a few weeks - but we need to start picking up wins NOW and the best way to do that is to hire the best coach possible, not have a little look and see if we can bed someone in slowly.
trying to hang the curtains when the fucking house is on fire over here.
Post by: Ridge on November 01, 2017, 10:15:29 PM
Chelsea game, Conte has best PL win ratio, a manager who has received no end of plaudits for tactics when winning title last year. As game went on he had plenty of reason to worry.
Against Leicester we could have been more cynical with Gray, and I think Davies and Rooney wore that frustration for rest of the match. Also you can't really legislate for Kenny swiping as a cross like that, you have to get behind the ball, if you can't make a strong connection. As game wore on, we were 2 down to a team setup to counter attack with pace. We actually did come back into the game, despite the the obvious risks and dangers, we largely limited them after early mistakes.
I think November has a lot of more winnable matches and I think Unsworth would start picking up wins and points, I'm just not sure he'll be given time or support to do so.
Post by: Coyb12 on November 01, 2017, 10:37:53 PM
Short, succinct, and lacking in any point. Probably.your best post recently.Thanks mate.
Post by: Ridge on November 01, 2017, 11:03:19 PM
Spurs got a draw against Real, then thump Liverpool in the league. 2 up in a cup tie against West Ham, end up losing 3-2 and then lose again to United. It's a accumulation of fatigue, physically and emotionally, but then complacency creeps in as you play so regularly, performances in each competition are not disconnected, confidence can drain quickly.
It's a baptism of fire, the last 2 PL winners, then Lyon and then finally a first home game against a young, vibrant Watford in the space of a fortnight. I think if we'd appointed anyone more well established and widely respected, we'd have only been expecting improvements early doors and then results to turn around as you get a team playing, you exit cups and can focus all energy on league, getting wins and climbing table.
When I look at the performances of the players, I think Niasse was trying a bit too hard to make something happen. But the key experienced players in the team have tried to take more authority and have played with more confidence and ambition. Mirallas has looked decent and back to kind of what you expect from him, Lennon deserved to get a pen and while he should have shot, if DCL put it away, it's great play.
When Kenny made the mistake, he wasn't hooked off the pitch and actually he played pretty well and tried to help atone for his error. Beni hasn't looked at all phased by things and has been one of the highlights. Lookman looked more purposeful against Chelsea, DCL has looked more enthused, but a broken nose isn't going to do much for his confidence.
It's a difficult situation to grow a team out of, Koeman made that point. Regardless how much money we have, or who we might buy, we can't replace or buy anyone until at least January. Getting the players producing more of what they are capable of, is at present paramount and the expectation, I see that. Trying to turn individual performances and build a cohesive team is more easily said than done, and the fixture congestion gives a need to rotate that doesn't make job any easier, but we've had more solid structure and ambition up front, arguably a bit too much.
Post by: Simon Paul on November 01, 2017, 11:25:22 PM
Post by: Jimmywhack on November 01, 2017, 11:27:57 PM
Rhino been told he hasn't got the job permanently alreadyHas he?
Looks like it with that squad he's took tho
Shame but I do think it's a touch too soon
I hope he gets kept on and or that he doesn't leave
Post by: everton1952 on November 01, 2017, 11:33:35 PM
Post by: Jimmywhack on November 01, 2017, 11:35:35 PM
Why should he leave? His U23 job must be cast iron.He's come out, said he wants the job but has been told no
Maybe he might think there is no future for him.
Let's hope not
Post by: Simon Paul on November 01, 2017, 11:38:10 PM
He's come out, said he wants the job but has been told no
Maybe he might think there is no future for him.
Let's hope not
Said he loves the under 23 job as well though
Post by: TheRam on November 01, 2017, 11:40:15 PM
See what he's about. Can't manage the under 23s forever
Post by: pjk on November 01, 2017, 11:53:00 PM
Post by: blueToffee on November 02, 2017, 12:45:44 AM
How come we never get the new manager bump?
2nd half versus Chelsea!
Post by: Redartin on November 02, 2017, 01:02:24 AM
Rhino been told he hasn't got the job permanently already
Thought as much, looks like he was told to forget about the Europa as well. Concentrate on Watford game.
Post by: kramer0 on November 02, 2017, 01:06:22 AM
Panic, appoint the next guy before the club sorts anything structurally, waste more money, create a bigger mess.
Top stuff. Pat on the back for Bill and Farhad. Keep on killing it, guys.
Post by: GLewis on November 02, 2017, 01:28:16 AM
Would be cheaper for the loaning club than a permanent manager etc. Plus we’d get to road test our younger coaches.
Post by: brap2 on November 02, 2017, 03:16:46 PM
Time to bring back out my loaning coaches to lower league clubs idea! :)
Would be cheaper for the loaning club than a permanent manager etc. Plus we’d get to road test our younger coaches.
Could see it definitely. Did you see the guardian article arguing for clubs spending big on managers? Transfer window for managers logical conclusion, loaning highly rated youth coaches to clubs who wouldn’t be able to afford it usually.
Post by: GLewis on November 02, 2017, 03:18:37 PM
Could see it definitely. Did you see the guardian article arguing for clubs spending big on managers? Transfer window for managers logical conclusion, loaning highly rated youth coaches to clubs who wouldn’t be able to afford it usually.
No never saw that. Will look it up!
Post by: brap2 on November 02, 2017, 04:19:44 PM
No never saw that. Will look it up!
Heads up the second half of my paragraph is my inferring of logical conclusion of that line of thinking
Post by: Major Clanger on November 02, 2017, 04:30:05 PM
Could see it definitely. Did you see the guardian article arguing for clubs spending big on managers? Transfer window for managers logical conclusion, loaning highly rated youth coaches to clubs who wouldn’t be able to afford it usually.
I've been saying it for years that we need transfer windows for managers.
Post by: hill135 on November 02, 2017, 05:23:00 PM
Post by: Hawkandro on November 02, 2017, 06:18:49 PM
Post by: Major Clanger on November 02, 2017, 06:37:02 PM
If we had a transfer window for managers we’d still be stuck with Ron and spiralling even further!
No, we wouldn't. We'd just be limited to unattached managers in our search for a successor.
And of course the hope is that people would be a lot more careful when hiring managers in the first place.
Post by: Lxxx on November 02, 2017, 07:44:28 PM
Post by: kramer0 on November 02, 2017, 07:59:33 PM
A supposed forward-thinking guy like Moshiri should be well on board with the loaning out of Unsworth to test his mettle. He's proved himself in Moshiri's first pet project, the U-23's, so why would you want to potentially lose him and all that knowledge and experience to maybe come back and sit in the opposite dugout one day.
If you can provide one bit of evidence that Moshiri is forward-thinking w/r/t football (not business, actual football) it would make me feel much better about the club's prospects.
Edit: I see you said "supposed.” Sorry.
Post by: Lxxx on November 02, 2017, 08:02:31 PM
If you can provide even one piece of evidence that Moshiri is forward-thinking w/r/t football (not business, actual football) it would make me feel much better about the club’s prospects.
Hence the word 'supposed.' Although he has invested heavily in the U-23's, far in excess of other teams, presumably with a view to growing our own production line and not spending huge sums buying it in at a later date. On this basis the coaching as well as the talent need to take equal precedence as you can't have success without both parties, hence he should be all over Unsworth's career plan too.
Post by: kramer0 on November 02, 2017, 08:03:55 PM
Hence the word 'supposed.'
Yeah, I saw that right after I posted. My bad.
Post by: Bluedylan on November 02, 2017, 08:04:44 PM
Post by: Ross on November 02, 2017, 08:14:14 PM
Off the top of my head all I can recall is DCL being bought for the development squad for a large sum. The likes of Lookman and Vlasic were bought for the first team squad.
Post by: Lxxx on November 02, 2017, 08:17:16 PM
Just out of interest what’s this heavy investment being made in the under 23’s?
Off the top of my head all I can recall is DCL being bought for the development squad for a large sum. The likes of Lookman and Vlasic were bought for the first team squad.
Do a little more research.
Post by: Waltzer on November 02, 2017, 08:17:56 PM
Just out of interest what’s this heavy investment being made in the under 23’s?
Off the top of my head all I can recall is DCL being bought for the development squad for a large sum. The likes of Lookman and Vlasic were bought for the first team squad.
I dont follow the u23s that much but I know there was kid from Newcastle (Gibson I think) who cost a bit and that Donkor, but dont think its been vast amounts, could be wrong though?
Post by: Evertonian in NC on November 02, 2017, 08:18:52 PM
I volunteer for substitutions specialist assistant, and magnet for the peoples' (deserved) abuse! :D
Post by: Bluedylan on November 02, 2017, 08:20:00 PM
Just out of interest what’s this heavy investment being made in the under 23’s?
Off the top of my head all I can recall is DCL being bought for the development squad for a large sum. The likes of Lookman and Vlasic were bought for the first team squad.
Lewis Gibson cost £6m didn't he? The lad from QPR, Josh Bowler, cost £4.25m.
Post by: Lazarou on November 02, 2017, 08:21:07 PM
Post by: Major Clanger on November 02, 2017, 08:22:37 PM
Just out of interest what’s this heavy investment being made in the under 23’s?
Off the top of my head all I can recall is DCL being bought for the development squad for a large sum. The likes of Lookman and Vlasic were bought for the first team squad.
Josh Bowler from QPR and Lewis Gibson from Newcastle.
Post by: Jimmywhack on November 02, 2017, 08:23:42 PM
Josh Bowler from QPR and Lewis Gibson from Newcastle.And the lad from Fulham
Post by: Waltzer on November 02, 2017, 08:26:50 PM
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/fc-everton-u21/transfers/verein/9261/saison_id/2017 (https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/fc-everton-u21/transfers/verein/9261/saison_id/2017)
From that it looks like we get ripped off even more in the under 23s market than we do for our full squad!! 6.39 million spent with a market value of 1.44 million
Post by: Bluedylan on November 02, 2017, 08:27:28 PM
Post by: Ross on November 02, 2017, 08:28:28 PM
Do a little more research.
Point me in the right direction?
I dont follow the u23s that much but I know there was kid from Newcastle (Gibson I think) who cost a bit and that Donkor, but dont think its been vast amounts, could be wrong though?
Isn’t that Donkor just a loan like Dier was?
Lewis Gibson cost £6m didn't he? The lad from QPR, Josh Bowler, cost £4.25m.
Can’t remember about Gibson but Bowler was heavily incentivised wasn’t it, pretty minimal outlay initially. Even them fees are pretty standard at that level though now aren’t they? Sterling cost £5m when he moved to the shite 10 years ago, Arsenal payed about that for Pennant amongst others back in the late 90’s and 00’s and god knows what City or Chelsea pay for kids.
Post by: Lazarou on November 02, 2017, 08:33:54 PM
From that it looks like we get ripped off even more in the under 23s market than we do for our full squad!! 6.39 million spent with a market value of 1.44 million
Or we could have got a bargain if they develop into world beaters.
Post by: Lxxx on November 02, 2017, 08:39:38 PM
From that it looks like we get ripped off even more in the under 23s market than we do for our full squad!! 6.39 million spent with a market value of 1.44 million
Yeh, I always go www.transfermarkt.co.uk for my cutting edge football insights.
Post by: Bluedylan on November 02, 2017, 08:41:25 PM
Point me in the right direction?
Isn’t that Donkor just a loan like Dier was?
Can’t remember about Gibson but Bowler was heavily incentivised wasn’t it, pretty minimal outlay initially. Even them fees are pretty standard at that level though now aren’t they? Sterling cost £5m when he moved to the shite 10 years ago, Arsenal payed about that for Pennant amongst others back in the late 90’s and 00’s and god knows what City or Chelsea pay for kids.
Convenient that you 'can't remember' a 6 million outlay on an U17s player. Use google, jog your memory.
As you well know there's been plenty of seasons we couldn't spend £10m on the first team, let alone two players for the youth teams. So yeah, there has been clear and indisputable investment.
But you crack on with your agenda and don't let annoying things like facts and information get in the way.
Moshiri out!
Post by: formerKHL on November 02, 2017, 08:45:05 PM
don't get this mixed up with transfer fees......
the "extension" payments are then incrued on a development basis...ie: if he make the first team we pay x amount...if after so many appearances for the firt team it's Y amount....if we sell on within so many years and make a profit it could be Z amount....
Post by: Ross on November 02, 2017, 08:46:57 PM
Convenient that you 'can't remember' a 6 million outlay on an U17s player. Use google, jog your memory.
As you well know there's been plenty of seasons we couldn't spend £10m on the first team, let alone two players for the youth teams. So yeah, there has been clear and indisputable investment.
But you crack on with your agenda and don't let annoying things like facts and information get in the way.
Moshiri out!
What are you going on about?
I couldn’t remember so asked. Further investigating reveals its £6m for a lad if he manages to fulfil all kinds of incentives. That’s not what we paid for him.
If that’s the case we paid £2m to Leeds for Luke Garbutt in 2009. Given the inflation in football transfer fees he’d be going for £20m now.
Post by: SANA_DR0 on November 02, 2017, 09:05:39 PM
What are you going on about?
I couldn’t remember so asked. Further investigating reveals its £6m for a lad if he manages to fulfil all kinds of incentives. That’s not what we paid for him.
If that’s the case we paid £2m to Leeds for Luke Garbutt in 2009. Given the inflation in football transfer fees he’d be going for £20m now.
i guess ive learned not to ask people for facts or links to where said facts could be ascertained, seems like you just get a barrage of abuse instead...
Post by: kramer0 on November 03, 2017, 02:14:23 AM
Sort Walsh's role first.
Post by: BlueBeagle on November 03, 2017, 02:24:42 AM
Not the best audition for the full time gig from Unsworth is it.
We need someone asap because things haven't improved in the slightest, if anything we're now worse than when Koeman was sacked.
Post by: hill135 on November 03, 2017, 02:26:39 AM
Not the man for the job.
Who the fuck is I don't know.
Post by: Bluedylan on November 03, 2017, 02:27:11 AM
3 games, 3 defeats, 1 goal for, 7 goals against.
Not the best audition for the full time gig from Unsworth is it.
We need someone asap because things haven't improved in the slightest, if anything we're now worse than when Koeman was sacked.
Haha, that's ludicrous. Did you watch the Arsenal game? We're better than when Koeman was fired, but maybe not better enough for Unsworth to keep his job (fixtures defo haven't helped him).
Post by: Audrey Horne on November 03, 2017, 02:28:25 AM
if anything we're now worse than when Koeman was sacked.
What?!
Post by: BlueBeagle on November 03, 2017, 02:30:52 AM
Haha, that's ludicrous. Did you watch the Arsenal game? We're better than when Koeman was fired, but maybe not better enough for Unsworth to keep his job (fixtures defo haven't helped him).
Yeah, we actually scored 2 goals.
The fixtures haven't been that bad let's be honest, a Chelsea side with plenty of second string players in it, a Leicester almost equally as bad as us followed by a half decent side in Lyon.
Post by: kramer0 on November 03, 2017, 02:31:58 AM
If we find someone better, fine. But I think it's more of the same for the club if we rush into a new manager without giving any thought to how fucked our backroom set-up is.
Post by: penguinofdoom1878 on November 03, 2017, 02:34:56 AM
Three different game plans, all more coherent than anything Koeman served up this season.
Unsworth has picked 18 different starters in three matches, played players in multiple positions during those 270 minutes and left an already demotivated team looking thoroughly confused for good measure.
he's out of his depth
http://www.football365.com/news/f365-says-and-there-must-everton-end-the-david-unsworth-experiment
Post by: hill135 on November 03, 2017, 02:38:59 AM
Post by: Jimmywhack on November 03, 2017, 02:50:17 AM
'it's been better than Koeman' isn't a very convincing argument for keeping him on.It's the actual only positive I've seen
Post by: gizzblue on November 03, 2017, 02:50:39 AM
Post by: GLewis on November 03, 2017, 02:54:31 AM
We are not Palace ffs the guy has had three games ....anything Koeman instilled into the squad is still rattling round some members ....he needs time ,yeah it's pressure and we havnt got much time but ffs three games is the sum of fuck all in reality in terms of trying to turn this debacle of RK's round.
He’s not been appointed - it’s nothing like Palace sacking de Boer.
Post by: blueToffee on November 03, 2017, 02:57:14 AM
We are not Palace ffs the guy has had three games ....anything Koeman instilled into the squad is still rattling round some members ....he needs time ,yeah it's pressure and we havnt got much time but ffs three games is the sum of fuck all in reality in terms of trying to turn this debacle of RK's round.
Why would you give the managerial role with arguably one of our worst squads in recent-ish history to someone without PL experience/track record?
We should've had someone in by now IMO.
Post by: brap2 on November 03, 2017, 03:00:03 AM
Post by: GLewis on November 03, 2017, 03:01:57 AM
Good change at half time vs Chelsea saw good football and chances, replacing Rooney with Niasse killed our flow though.
Leicester was naive in the extreme both in terms of what types of midfielders Davies and Gueye are but also what Leicester like to play against.
The narrowing half time subs also played into their hands with a 2-0 lead to protect.
As I said tonight was fine given our confidence levels and that they’re a good team in good form.
But I thought the first sub was too early.
So Leicester was the most disappointing game as it killed the little moment we could have taken from the improvement vs Chelsea and placed this game and Sunday under more undue strain than necessary.
Post by: Major Clanger on November 03, 2017, 03:06:41 AM
Unsworth has picked 18 different starters in three matches, played players in multiple positions during those 270 minutes and left an already demotivated team looking thoroughly confused for good measure.
We don't look any more confused than under Koeman. In fact we look a lot less confused, the players have a fairly clear idea what their role is, even if the overall tactics aren't working.
Post by: gizzblue on November 03, 2017, 03:08:48 AM
Why would you give the managerial role with arguably one of our worst squads in recent-ish history to someone without PL experience/track record?Never at any point said give him it full time ....re read if you want, but we have just give near four years to two fucking Muppets with about as much nouse as Sunday league managers neither of whome are exactly winners unless I've been in a coma since Martinez cup run separation season ....so for some to be calling Unsworth after three games is just shithouse .imho.
We should've had someone in by now IMO.
Post by: GLewis on November 03, 2017, 03:12:29 AM
We don't look any more confused than under Koeman. In fact we look a lot less confused, the players have a fairly clear idea what their role is, even if the overall tactics aren't working.
We could / should have equalised vs Chelsea so that’s not an issue.
I think vs Leicester and the sub tonight have been overly optimistic decisions - probably due to the fact that he’s felt that he’s auditioning for the role, rather than just trying to get 2 solid draws.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 03, 2017, 03:14:59 AM
We could easily go down this season regardless of who we get in. We can't put an 11 out that's capable of scoring goals
Post by: blueToffee on November 03, 2017, 03:15:36 AM
Never at any point said give him it full time ....re read if you want, but we have just give near four years to two fucking Muppets with about as much nouse as Sunday league managers neither of whome are exactly winners unless I've been in a coma since Martinez cup run separation season ....so for some to be calling Unsworth after three games is just shithouse .imho.
He doesn't have the job though. He's a caretaker manager. Since when are caretaker's meant to be there beyond a few games?
Post by: bluenuck on November 03, 2017, 03:18:11 AM
Unsworth has done a good job with the situation he's been given, and put in.
Post by: gizzblue on November 03, 2017, 03:18:31 AM
He doesn't have the job though. He's a caretaker manager. Since when are caretaker's meant to be there beyond a few games?Oh so a knee jerk appointment is what your after ....fair enough then.
Post by: Polledreng on November 03, 2017, 03:18:40 AM
We could / should have equalised vs Chelsea so that’s not an issue.problem is we couldnt use a solid draw to anything to Night We needed a win and starting without striker was a very very poor decision.
I think vs Leicester and the sub tonight have been overly optimistic decisions - probably due to the fact that he’s felt that he’s auditioning for the role, rather than just trying to get 2 solid draws.
Post by: blueToffee on November 03, 2017, 03:20:52 AM
Oh so a knee jerk appointment is what your after ....fair enough then.
No, what I want is not what we seem to be getting. We should've reached out to people weeks ago, the writing on the wall was there for a long time. Even if it wasn't we should have some targets in mind in case Koeman quit or whatever.
I want planning. This is Unsworth being handed a shitty situation out of the blue, it's an awful situation for a new manager.
Post by: Confucius on November 03, 2017, 03:21:36 AM
Post by: GLewis on November 03, 2017, 03:26:35 AM
problem is we couldnt use a solid draw to anything to Night We needed a win and starting without striker was a very very poor decision.
Yes but in terms of confidence we’d have been unbeaten in two away games, still with an outside chance of qualifying and some sort of base for Sunday.
Post by: GLewis on November 03, 2017, 03:28:02 AM
No, what I want is not what we seem to be getting. We should've reached out to people weeks ago, the writing on the wall was there for a long time. Even if it wasn't we should have some targets in mind in case Koeman quit or whatever.
I want planning. This is Unsworth being handed a shitty situation out of the blue, it's an awful situation for a new manager.
Unless someone just leaves I’m always amazed the clubs often don’t have someone reasonably quickly lined up.
This was the problem when Moyes left. Despite not signing a new deal we didn’t have anyone lined up.
Post by: gizzblue on November 03, 2017, 03:28:08 AM
No, what I want is not what we seem to be getting. We should've reached out to people weeks ago, the writing on the wall was there for a long time. Even if it wasn't we should have some targets in mind in case Koeman quit or whatever.So we agree he still needs more time as do the board to get it right .....not a fucking Allardyce Dyche knee jerk backwards step .
I want planning. This is Unsworth being handed a shitty situation out of the blue, it's an awful situation for a new manager.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 03, 2017, 03:32:04 AM
So we agree he still needs more time as do the board to get it right .....not a fucking Allardyce Dyche knee jerk backwards step .
I think we probably aren't really capable of a backwards step from here short of deciding we are gonna back goalkeeping obsolete along with goalscoring in our team.
That's not a slight on unsworth I actually think he's done a good job and don't have a problem him getting more games. We are fucked though. Rock bottom. It might not matter who's in charge.
Post by: blueToffee on November 03, 2017, 03:34:44 AM
So we agree he still needs more time as do the board to get it right .....not a fucking Allardyce Dyche knee jerk backwards step .
I think we should get it sorted by the international break or thereabouts. I think that's all the time we can afford.
Do I think it should be a shitty appointment? Nope, but that's up to the board to get it right...but given their history even another couple of months may not improve matters.
Unless Tuchel has flat out turned us down, we should drop a wad of cash on his doorstep and get it done. Beyond that, we should still have targets in mind that have some experience managing in a way we want and who could attract the players we're going to need come January.
Post by: gizzblue on November 03, 2017, 03:36:57 AM
I think we probably aren't really capable of a backwards step from here short of deciding we are gonna back goalkeeping obsolete along with goalscoring in our team.Imho Allardyce is a big backwards step .
That's not a slight on unsworth I actually think he's done a good job and don't have a problem him getting more games. We are fucked though. Rock bottom. It might not matter who's in charge.
I can't really say the same about Dyche the more i think on it ....but it's not ground-breaking by any stretch.
Post by: everton1952 on November 03, 2017, 03:44:57 AM
Post by: Waltzer on November 03, 2017, 03:51:03 AM
Unsworth was placed in an almost impossible position trying to revive a totally inadequate squad, and the harsh results show he failed comprehensively 3 games to nil. He has to be in charge against Watford though. We need the win but I don't think that necessarily gives him an extension, unless of course the board have a target appointment which they are prepared to wait for. But for how much longer can we risk waiting?I have no doubts Unworth last game is against Watford, id love for him to go out with a win as he'd deserve it. It hasn't been easy for him, as it won't for whoever comes in but he's gone about everything in the right way. I only hope he sees that he's not yet ready and the new person in charge keeps him on as his assistant, or at least in the first team squad, providing he wants it.
Post by: Brownie on November 03, 2017, 03:51:37 AM
@kramer0 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4360) for DoF. Who wants to manage? I know Brownie is more of a rugby fella, but he also seems like he'd command respect (or crack skulls).
I volunteer for substitutions specialist assistant, and magnet for the peoples' (deserved) abuse! :D
Hmmmmmm, where would I fit in with this I wonder? Well according to Joey Barton I'm too big to be a coach (but I'd just knock that little cunt's head off). My football tactical knowledge is not up there with the best but I reckon for team morale I'd be able to get the togetherness there (everyone loves a team bonding drinking session that lasts a week don't they?), but then I'd also have them working on their aggression levels. That handbags against Lyon the other week would have looked totally different after two weeks of boot camp with me (we're talking bodybags). So, when do I start?
Post by: brap2 on November 03, 2017, 04:17:02 AM
He was lashed into the pit of despair and he’s been dignified and made some good decisions. I think Leicester however was really surprisingly bad. Maybe he thought - this puel is a stinker, let’s steam roll them.
Post by: TheRam on November 03, 2017, 04:21:15 AM
Opened the game up and was let down by the senior players throwing the towel in when it went to 1-0.
Get the feeling he'll weed out the bad eggs should he stay.
Don't think he's the man we need at the moment though but think he's shown he's got something to offer.
Post by: Coyb12 on November 03, 2017, 04:24:29 AM
I won’t harbour any bad feelings towards unsie at the end of this, and I hope he stays at the club in his previous capacity.What was he thinking playing Lennon and Mirrallas,what prem side plays 2wide men away from home,after 20mins you know it's not working yet he did nothing needs to gain experience somewhere other than the U/23s.
He was lashed into the pit of despair and he’s been dignified and made some good decisions. I think Leicester however was really surprisingly bad. Maybe he thought - this puel is a stinker, let’s steam roll them.
Post by: ynotd on November 03, 2017, 04:26:01 AM
Post by: TheRam on November 03, 2017, 04:27:01 AM
Unsworths gotta go down as the worst caretaker since Ian Huntley
Hahahahahah
Jesus Christ
Post by: Jimmywhack on November 03, 2017, 04:27:20 AM
Unsworths gotta go down as the worst caretaker since Ian HuntleyAye yeah cos he's murdered kids ain't he
Post by: Jimmywhack on November 03, 2017, 04:28:09 AM
What was he thinking playing Lennon and Mirrallas,what prem side plays 2wide men away from home,after 20mins you know it's not working yet he did nothing needs to gain experience somewhere other than the U/23s.You were not one of those saying that we needed width then?
I know I was
Post by: Coyb12 on November 03, 2017, 04:35:37 AM
You were not one of those saying that we needed width then?We need pace,why would you bring in 2players 1who had hardly featured and Lennon who had even less minutes,how many teams go away and set up like that,he should have been solid and defended deeper vardy had a field day 1st half.
I know I was
Post by: D_murph0278 on November 03, 2017, 04:47:30 AM
We need pace,why would you bring in 2players 1who had hardly featured and Lennon who had even less minutes,how many teams go away and set up like that,he should have been solid and defended deeper vardy had a field day 1st half.
Everyone in the squad with pace has hardly featured. However, we need goals and we can't rely on the experienced heads at the back to keep team's out.
Mirallas, Lennon, Vlasic, Lookman and Sandro should all be rotating from here on in. 4-3-3 is the only way to get through until January. DCL on his own with a Sigurdsson or Rooney just off him will have us rock bottom by January.
Post by: Coyb12 on November 03, 2017, 04:50:53 AM
Vlasic ok lookman ok miralles nope Lennon nope and Sandro what the fuck is he.
Everyone in the squad with pace has hardly featured. However, we need goals and we can't rely on the experienced heads at the back to keep team's out.
Mirallas, Lennon, Vlasic, Lookman and Sandro should all be rotating from here on in. 4-3-3 is the only way to get through until January. DCL on his own with a Sigurdsson or Rooney just off him will have us rock bottom by January.
Post by: Macca77 on November 03, 2017, 04:52:44 AM
Unsworths gotta go down as the worst caretaker since Ian Huntley
Fucking hell!
Post by: D_murph0278 on November 03, 2017, 04:55:32 AM
Vlasic ok lookman ok miralles nope Lennon nope and Sandro what the fuck is he.
Mirallas and Lennon were our most dangerous players against Leicester, 1st half at least. Like most... they need a run of games and confidence. We can't afford to discount any of our quicker forwards.
Sandro may well be another subject altogether. I think he wants to go home already.
Post by: therealdunc on November 03, 2017, 04:56:37 AM
Sick of all the blue tinted glasses with some of our fans who think you can’t criticise Unsworths glaringly obvious failings ‘cause he’s one of us’ :shock:
Thank goodness Bill Kenwright is still not in charge or we could have ended up with Unsworth talking us down.
I think it’s best if he left the club and got some proper experience as a first team manager if he wants to get a job at the top level
Post by: D_murph0278 on November 03, 2017, 05:00:16 AM
Unsworth well out of his depth
Sick of all the blue tinted glasses with some of our fans who think you can’t criticise Unsworths glaringly obvious failings ‘cause he’s one of us’ :shock:
Thank goodness Bill Kenwright is still not in charge or we could have ended up with Unsworth talking us down.
I think it’s best if he left the club and got some proper experience as a first team manager if he wants to get a job at the top level
It doesn't matter who is in charge of this lot at the moment. They're gone... it's become such an issue trying to score a fucking goal, whilst defending is constantly last ditch. The scary thing is, nothing really can be done for another 2 whole months. Nothing to do with Unsworth.
Post by: therealdunc on November 03, 2017, 05:02:54 AM
Squad is easy capable of finishing mid table, just needs a leader.
Unsworth is not a leader, he’s likeable but not a leader.
Post by: D_murph0278 on November 03, 2017, 05:09:23 AM
It’s got a lot to do with Unsworth as he picks the team, the tactics and trains then players.
Squad is easy capable of finishing mid table, just needs a leader.
Unsworth is not a leader, he’s likeable but not a leader.
"Just needs a leader"? How about a striker? Or a decent right back?? Or a £25 million midfielder who doesn't play like Jack Rodwell??? Or decent cover at left back????
Fucking leader my arse......
Quick get Big Munching Cow Fat Sam in!!!
Post by: therealdunc on November 03, 2017, 05:16:26 AM
We have good players, just had a bad manager and now a temp manager who is out of his depth
Big sam will turn us around fairly easily
Post by: blueToffee on November 03, 2017, 05:25:44 AM
It’s got a lot to do with Unsworth as he picks the team, the tactics and trains then players.
Squad is easy capable of finishing mid table, just needs a leader.
Unsworth is not a leader, he’s likeable but not a leader.
We haven't found a way to score reliably since Lukaku left the side.
If your squad is not capable of scoring goals how are they meant to win games? Who out of the current line up has any semblance of consistent scoring ability in the PL?
Rooney? Kind of these days. Sigurdsson can get some goals. That's literally about it.
You could bring in Guardiola and we'd still struggle.
This mess is as much to do with the squad, if not more so, than the manager.
I don't think Unsworth is the answer, but if we had the same team as last year I don't think he'd be doing nearly as poorly.
Post by: D_murph0278 on November 03, 2017, 05:28:58 AM
Same squad was fancied to challenge for top 4
We have good players, just had a bad manager and now a temp manager who is out of his depth
Big sam will turn us around fairly easily
Fucking Christopher Samba and Kevin Davies on free transfers.
If Allardyce is in charge of this club, It's honestly the lowest I can remember us being since Mike Walker was about.
Post by: Confucius on November 03, 2017, 06:35:36 AM
Post by: Ridge on November 03, 2017, 07:32:17 AM
Given our league position, league cup we didn't need extra fixtures. Europa league game, we were already out, worst start by an English team in Europa league, toughest game in group.
We had full backs playing out of position, Holgate making a rare start in central defence.
We've rested several first team players and will have a stronger side against Watford which is more important game.
When you appoint a new manager, people are always willing to shout give him time with another mans squad for the first year. Koeman has left a horror scene and 3 games in people are losing their shit about him losing games we'd expect to lose if we were playing well.
The things are there for us to get ourselves out of danger, team building, coaching and identifying a team and system that can get results. We don't have the starting blocks, nobody knows each other and we play like it. But last few games there have been signs of coordination and endeavour from more of the players.
There is a certain amount that Unsworth is maybe not a big enough or familiar name, but that's why he was given no support from board. People like brands and reassurance, guarantees. But any manager would have taken many games to try and get a team out of this collection of strangers.
I still feel there is a chance that we turn up and get a good result against Watford, but I'm not sure the atmosphere is going to be conducive and we've seen how that goes.
Post by: kramer0 on November 03, 2017, 07:49:57 AM
The players have actually looked like they have a clue what they're supposed to be doing. That is, sadly, progress for us right now.
Post by: bluenuck on November 03, 2017, 09:26:34 AM
Anyway, He's done well. But imo he's not the man for the job. He's got one more game win or lose and I'm fairly confident we will announce a new manager early to mid next week.
Hopefully not Sam allardyce.
I hope unsworth stays with the U-23's as well.
Post by: GLewis on November 03, 2017, 12:10:36 PM
No more out of his depth than Koeman this season. Or Martinez in his last season.
Probably not the best way to support him, given that they both got sacked ... ;)
Post by: sirblue57 on November 03, 2017, 12:22:17 PM
It’s got a lot to do with Unsworth as he picks the team, the tactics and trains then players.
Squad is easy capable of finishing mid table, just needs a leader.
Unsworth is not a leader, he’s likeable but not a leader.
oh dear god, he is trying to polish a turd, we have no striker worth the name, an unbalanced squad thanks to Koeman and Walsh, he has relied on his U23s and has not been let down by them as much as the so called experienced players.
he may not be ready, yet. but I would demand he was involved with the first team to develop him.
Post by: BlueBeagle on November 03, 2017, 12:28:37 PM
We were totally and utterly clueless against a Leicester side in a similar predicament.
Post by: bluenuck on November 03, 2017, 12:31:31 PM
Not sure how anyone can even suggest that Unsworth has done a good job.
We were totally and utterly clueless against a Leicester side in a similar predicament.
He's done a good job with what he's been given. It's a bit different than he's done a good job.
Unsworth can't make chicken salad out of chicken shit.
Hopefully the new manager can.
Post by: Sir Stealth on November 03, 2017, 12:36:37 PM
First task has got to be to sort out the organisation of that defence
For Unsworth I hope we just let him work back with the under 23s, I'm sure he will have learned some lessons from this experience
Post by: Coyb12 on November 03, 2017, 12:47:57 PM
Of course they were mate that's why he took them off.Lennon has been average for 3 years mate what are you looking at,and miralles isn't far behind him.
Mirallas and Lennon were our most dangerous players against Leicester, 1st half at least. Like most... they need a run of games and confidence. We can't afford to discount any of our quicker forwards.
Sandro may well be another subject altogether. I think he wants to go home already.
Post by: GLewis on November 03, 2017, 12:48:48 PM
If we’d set out to play the same way in all 3 games so far you’d like to think that we’d be gaining coherence etc ahead of Sunday.
Post by: D_murph0278 on November 03, 2017, 01:21:24 PM
Of course they were mate that's why he took them off.Lennon has been average for 3 years mate what are you looking at,and miralles isn't far behind him.
So you take them off and replace them with?......
Post by: hill135 on November 03, 2017, 02:25:22 PM
We’ve looked well balanced in patches but we’ve still got zero points from three games and shipped seven goals. Not much to write home about.
We need an experienced manager asap
Post by: Hawkandro on November 03, 2017, 02:31:37 PM
So you take them off and replace them with?......
Lookman and Vlasic? Sandro?
Post by: D_murph0278 on November 03, 2017, 05:04:32 PM
Lookman and Vlasic? Sandro?
And that's what I've been saying... from here on in we should only go 4-3-3 with the quickest forwards available to us rotating week after week. By rotating I mean from the bench when necessary.
For example, a forward line of Vlasic, Rooney and Mirallas or maybe Lennon coming on for Vlasic, Lookman for Mirallas or Sandro for Rooney in some games. We've got to start pushing teams back to have any chance.
Post by: Waltzer on November 03, 2017, 05:20:19 PM
Must massively regret the overly positive approach at Leicester.
If we’d set out to play the same way in all 3 games so far you’d like to think that we’d be gaining coherence etc ahead of Sunday.
I agree which is why I dont think hes really ready for this appointment yet. He went to win the game and make a point rather than making sure we didn't lose it. We needed to get back to basics, defend deep, dont give them any space, a 0-0 would have been as good as a win at that point.
Post by: everton1952 on November 03, 2017, 05:33:52 PM
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Post by: Lazarou on November 03, 2017, 07:05:35 PM
Post by: SANA_DR0 on November 03, 2017, 07:22:29 PM
He deserved a better team than the one left to him by Koeman, he has a totally lopsided squad, no strikers, slow aging centre backs.. After all the work he's done for the U-23's He deserved a decent fucking squad; so we could judge him fairly.
He's trying to play catch up with out all the correct pieces.
Post by: Coyb12 on November 03, 2017, 09:03:14 PM
I would not replace with anyone because I would not play either.
So you take them off and replace them with?......
Post by: everton1952 on November 03, 2017, 09:10:35 PM
Post by: BlueForYou on November 03, 2017, 09:12:40 PM
Post by: Waltzer on November 03, 2017, 09:14:07 PM
I said this before we appointed Unsworth,
He deserved a better team than the one left to him by Koeman, he has a totally lopsided squad, no strikers, slow aging centre backs.. After all the work he's done for the U-23's He deserved a decent fucking squad; so we could judge him fairly.
He's trying to play catch up with out all the correct pieces.
But in reality people rarely get sacked cause things are going well so its a bit inevitable, I agree about the squad, but I also think Koeman would have been a bit pissy about not getting a striker or centre back after highlighting the glaring gaps there to the board.
Post by: Coyb12 on November 03, 2017, 09:15:47 PM
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 03, 2017, 09:19:25 PM
I can't believe it's not sorted,and Unsworth is taking another game.
Can you really not? This is always what's been reported
Post by: Coyb12 on November 03, 2017, 09:21:44 PM
Can you really not? This is always what's been reportedYou should be on stage mate that's fucking hilarious.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 03, 2017, 09:30:01 PM
You should be on stage mate that's fucking hilarious.
You should be on stage mate that's fucking hilarious.
I wasnt a joke. What's happening is exactly what's been reported from the start. You're just being dramatic
Post by: Coyb12 on November 03, 2017, 09:35:44 PM
I wasnt a joke. What's happening is exactly what's been reported from the start. You're just being dramaticWhat dramatic about wanting a manager appointed to sort this mess out?
Post by: Evertonian in NC on November 03, 2017, 09:37:37 PM
Post by: SANA_DR0 on November 03, 2017, 09:51:18 PM
Post by: GoodisonPk on November 03, 2017, 10:06:55 PM
Post by: Macca77 on November 03, 2017, 10:12:50 PM
We are the talksport topic with Durham for anyone who is interested.
All he ever does is slag us off, think i'll swerve it
Post by: GLewis on November 03, 2017, 11:10:52 PM
even if a new manager comes in, what will change? still will have no strikers, and no centre backs.. or players in midfield who are creative
We’ve seen when set up that way, that we can defend.
It’s only been naive attempts to force wins when we’re low on confidence that have opened the team up again.
So that’s one thing if a manager, secure in their position (as opposed to either consciously or not, treating it as an open audition) will be prepared to grind results out in order to get some confidence back.
Eg a 0-0 last night would have at least showed that we can sort one end out before worrying about the other.
Post by: ajax_andy on November 04, 2017, 01:55:07 AM
We need a new face in that will rip up the way we play and give a huge confidence boost to the players, get us up the table and then after a season or two if they leave and we are in good health give him the job then.
I think he could do really well for us, just right now isn't the time
Post by: brap2 on November 04, 2017, 06:25:46 AM
https://twitter.com/everyteam_mark/status/926577810940022785
Post by: ally2 on November 04, 2017, 02:13:30 PM
Post by: kramer0 on November 06, 2017, 02:07:08 AM
We have nowhere near the organization of his U23 teams. It's way too easy for opponents to find space between our midfield and defensive lines which, in turn, makes it easy for them to create chances. The players' spirit has been restored some and we've been better at creating chances ourselves but "better" still means a weak attack, which isn't good enough considering our continuing defensive frailty.
Whatever the reasons for the decisions he's made -- searching for coherence in an imbalanced squad, trying to do things he doesn't normally do in order to impress the higher-ups -- he's not right for the club at the moment. He has some excellent qualities and he has every chance of being an good manager one day but it's not going to happen for him now. I wish him the best, whatever his next move is (back to the U23s, off to a first-team job elsewhere).
I still wish we would look at Walsh's position first but, since that doesn't seem to be forthcoming, it makes sense to get a steadier hand in over the international break.
Post by: GLewis on November 06, 2017, 11:41:09 AM
Thanks for the three points, but I'm out.
We have nowhere near the organization of his U23 teams. It's way too easy for opponents to find space between our midfield and defensive lines which, in turn, makes it easy for them to create chances. The players' spirit has been restored some and we've been better at creating chances ourselves but "better" still means a weak attack, which isn't good enough considering our continuing defensive frailty.
Whatever the reasons for the decisions he's made -- searching for coherence in an imbalanced squad, trying to do things he doesn't normally do in order to impress the higher-ups -- he's not right for the club at the moment. He has some excellent qualities and he has every chance of being an good manager one day but it's not going to happen for him now. I wish him the best, whatever his next move is (back to the U23s, off to a first-team job elsewhere).
I still wish we would look at Walsh's position first but, since that doesn't seem to be forthcoming, it makes sense to get a steadier hand in over the international break.
Just don’t understand why the best shape and therefore performance we played (Chelsea second half) wasn’t attempted to be repeated?
Post by: Polledreng on November 06, 2017, 11:44:31 AM
even if a new manager comes in, what will change? still will have no strikers, and no centre backs.. or players in midfield who are creativewe have Got OUMAR NIASSE :hail: :hail: :hail: :hail: :hail: :hail: :hail: :hail: :hail:
Post by: Bluedylan on November 06, 2017, 11:46:31 AM
Post by: therealdunc on November 06, 2017, 01:37:45 PM
Post by: brap2 on November 06, 2017, 02:09:56 PM
Just don’t understand why the best shape and therefore performance we played (Chelsea second half) wasn’t attempted to be repeated?
I didn’t see that game but I’ve heard this a few times, what was the set up?
Post by: Hawkandro on November 06, 2017, 02:13:45 PM
Just wait until Jags is back. You won't even have to see the ball go back to Pickford for it to be hooofed nowhere
A Jag's cross-field ball post kick-off is always a winner.
Post by: Hawkandro on November 06, 2017, 02:16:23 PM
https://twitter.com/JimWhite/status/927273843454038017
https://twitter.com/JimWhite/status/927448296288866305
1) As much as I want Rhino to succeed - and I fancied him to do so - these last 4 games have shown we need someone with more experience, at this time.
2) I cannot believe we are still looking at shortlists and are not closing in/about to announce the new manager. This is the ideal time now, with the International break in place.
3) Should we forget about Moshiri's statement appointment then? Looks like it.
Post by: GLewis on November 06, 2017, 02:23:12 PM
I didn’t see that game but I’ve heard this a few times, what was the set up?
Nothing extraordinary really, but started with a 433 which was solid but isolated the front 3 as the CMs were “flat”.
Second half Davies was pushed forward a bit, so more 4231, and the distances between players was much better and enabled better control of the ball etc. leading to decent open play chances.
Post by: brap2 on November 06, 2017, 02:57:23 PM
Nothing extraordinary really, but started with a 433 which was solid but isolated the front 3 as the CMs were “flat”.
Second half Davies was pushed forward a bit, so more 4231, and the distances between players was much better and enabled better control of the ball etc. leading to decent open play chances.
Natural wide players or tucked in? Lookman or anyone on the pitch? Who was up top, Oumar and Dom?
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on November 06, 2017, 03:04:14 PM
Post by: Jamokachi on November 06, 2017, 03:07:08 PM
Post by: GLewis on November 06, 2017, 03:30:54 PM
Natural wide players or tucked in? Lookman or anyone on the pitch? Who was up top, Oumar and Dom?
No was Rooney as 9, Lennon right, Mirallas... left.
Subs moved Rooney to 10, DCL to 9 with Davies moving back to where McCarthy had been; and then swapped Lennon for Lookman.
Last 10 mins went two up front with Niasse but we lost control of the game then as the gaps were back between midfield and attack.
One interesting thing is that McCarthy played much better than Gueye has recently which may have influenced the control a bit.
Post by: Waltzer on November 06, 2017, 03:35:55 PM
I'd like to see Unsworth stay on and support the new manager, as an assistant coach - everyone loves Unsie, and he knows the club inside out, so he would be ideal to have on our management bench, even if a new man brings his entire new staff in. So someone like Tommy Tuchel (and his chosen team of staff, as most of ours really are shit coaches) working with Unsie would be my choice.
This is a negative and a positive though, yes Unsie does know loads about the club, players, staff, fans expectations etc. Is this a good thing? Does he know what good looks like, he is also very pally with lots of people at the club that have failed to deliver over numerous years, nearly decades. My own views are that the club needs a big overhaul and getting a fresh pair of eyes a fresh approach with a clear out, almost from top to bottom is whats required. If Moshiri is serious he needs to do a review of all management for the failings at the club, we keep changing managers but certain things remain the same and its that, thats holding us back.
I do think having him on board would be good for the fan base, but in my eyes once the review was done by Moshiri the only connection between Unsie would be the fans as most of the people we has a connection with wouldnt be around.
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on November 06, 2017, 03:37:39 PM
Pickford
Keane ----- Jagielka
Kenny ------------------------------------- Baines
Gana or Banger or McCarthy
Davies
Lennon ------------------------------------- Vlasic
Niasse ----- DCL
Keane ----- Jagielka
Kenny ------------------------------------- Baines
Gana or Banger or McCarthy
Davies
Lennon ------------------------------------- Vlasic
Niasse ----- DCL
Swapping Kenny for Coleman, and adding Bolasie to the rotation of that front 4 when they come in, wouldnt change it either on current form.
Post by: Macca77 on November 06, 2017, 03:38:02 PM
Post by: SANA_DR0 on November 06, 2017, 04:33:40 PM
he got the old Everton back :D
Post by: di_guyo on November 06, 2017, 04:35:52 PM
At the moment, I cant fit Rooney, Sig, Schneiderlin or Kev into the squad.Pickford
Keane ----- Jagielka
Kenny ------------------------------------- Baines
Gana or Banger or McCarthy
Davies
Lennon ------------------------------------- Vlasic
Niasse ----- DCL
Swapping Kenny for Coleman, and adding Bolasie to the rotation of that front 4 when they come in, wouldnt change it either on current form.
Lookman? Would be the first winger on the sheet for me, based on yesterday and the other cameos he's had. Great turn, awareness and a wonderful ball yesterday....Lennon would never have done that.
Post by: everton1952 on November 06, 2017, 04:56:28 PM
Post by: oztoffee on November 06, 2017, 05:41:24 PM
There is no doubt that the players are playing for him, but by the same token we are woefully short on talent. We lost or gave the ball away so often in one-on-ones that attacks rarely got started or left us short at the back. Even the shit teams push the ball around far quicker than us, especially noticeable on the wings where three or four players from both sides are competing for the ball.......we are very short on the skills necessary to do this successfully and lose out in these situations very frequently.
We have no players...NONE who can do this with any regularity and our buildup play is so predictable that we are easy to contain.
We need a total clearout of the old guard and an influx of good players...not necessarily name players, but ones who will do the job. We've got an awful long way to go.....Unsie never had a chance. He was on a hiding to nothing.
Post by: sirblue57 on November 06, 2017, 06:49:14 PM
1 win out of 4, time to go back to the kids team or get some real experience of football management elsewhere and prove he is up to the Everton jobSeriously, who would have done better?
Post by: sirblue57 on November 06, 2017, 06:54:44 PM
This is a negative and a positive though, yes Unsie does know loads about the club, players, staff, fans expectations etc. Is this a good thing? Does he know what good looks like, he is also very pally with lots of people at the club that have failed to deliver over numerous years, nearly decades. My own views are that the club needs a big overhaul and getting a fresh pair of eyes a fresh approach with a clear out, almost from top to bottom is whats required. If Moshiri is serious he needs to do a review of all management for the failings at the club, we keep changing managers but certain things remain the same and its that, thats holding us back.What the absolute fuck are you on about? Have you noticed how good the U23s are?
I do think having him on board would be good for the fan base, but in my eyes once the review was done by Moshiri the only connection between Unsie would be the fans as most of the people we has a connection with wouldnt be around.
Some of our fans have fucking issues. Maybe he is not ready for the first team. Nut getting rid of him altogether? That's an awful shout.
Post by: Waltzer on November 06, 2017, 07:06:09 PM
What the absolute fuck are you on about? Have you noticed how good the U23s are?
Some of our fans have fucking issues. Maybe he is not ready for the first team. Nut getting rid of him altogether? That's an awful shout.
Fail to see the relevance of the under 23s at all, we've invested heavily, more than most, in that area so you'd expect us to be doing decent.
And I dont think I ever said we should be getting rid of him, however, if we got Tuchel or someone comparable in and he said he didnt want Unsworth as he wanted things done this way then so be it. Wouldnt bother me in the least if Unsworth did stay but I dont think keeping him or not is going to have any significant impact on our success over the next 10 years
Post by: SANA_DR0 on November 06, 2017, 07:09:24 PM
Seriously, who would have done better?
lol, fucking Mourinho or Pep coudn't have done better, we have a lack of strikers, Least Unsworth knows how to get the best of the strikers, as he's had them in the under 23 set up.
a new manager still would struggle, least Unsworth has brought back the pride/passion side to our game.. which i doubt bringing in some random manager would have been able to bring,.
Post by: sirblue57 on November 06, 2017, 07:13:20 PM
This is a negative and a positive though, yes Unsie does know loads about the club, players, staff, fans expectations etc. Is this a good thing? Does he know what good looks like, he is also very pally with lots of people at the club that have failed to deliver over numerous years, nearly decades. My own views are that the club needs a big overhaul and getting a fresh pair of eyes a fresh approach with a clear out, almost from top to bottom is whats required. If Moshiri is serious he needs to do a review of all management for the failings at the club, we keep changing managers but certain things remain the same and its that, thats holding us back.
I do think having him on board would be good for the fan base, but in my eyes once the review was done by Moshiri the only connection between Unsie would be the fans as most of the people we has a connection with wouldnt be around.
so thats not an over reaction? I agree there needs to be a change at the club, and it needs to be from the top, this "nice" image we portray is not helping, we need to start showing a ruthless streak. don't want to play for us? well its the U23s, and fuck your international ambitions.
but some on here are saying DU is not good enough, yet fail to say who would ave done better than him. it does my head in the negativity on here sometimes. we are not good at the moment, it ha happened before, this time we have a chairman who can finance a solution, we hope.
Post by: Waltzer on November 06, 2017, 07:21:30 PM
so thats not an over reaction? I agree there needs to be a change at the club, and it needs to be from the top, this "nice" image we portray is not helping, we need to start showing a ruthless streak. don't want to play for us? well its the U23s, and fuck your international ambitions.
but some on here are saying DU is not good enough, yet fail to say who would ave done better than him. it does my head in the negativity on here sometimes. we are not good at the moment, it ha happened before, this time we have a chairman who can finance a solution, we hope.
I dont think its an over reaction, our problems stemmed from years and years of poor performances from above. Koeman, like Unsworth didnt have much chance with the squad they had, but everything is hypothetical when it comes to who could have done better, whose knows how Stubbs would have got on if he were still in charge? Yes, Unsworth did really well with the U23s, but it is the U23s. And a difference of opinion doesnt always have to be negative, it can just be a difference of opinion? But if we do have a chairman that has the finances to make a change then surely going for the best possible candidate is the best option, and in my opinion Unsworth has done little to justify being that, but clearly you think different, which is fine.
Post by: Evertonian in NC on November 06, 2017, 07:26:56 PM
Without being a corrupt, self-promoting, anti-footballer asshole.
I wouldn't make him permanent manager, but there is absolutely no reason to sell our soul and fall off the floor FFS.
Post by: sirblue57 on November 06, 2017, 07:29:21 PM
I dont think its an over reaction, our problems stemmed from years and years of poor performances from above. Koeman, like Unsworth didnt have much chance with the squad they had, but everything is hypothetical when it comes to who could have done better, whose knows how Stubbs would have got on if he were still in charge? Yes, Unsworth did really well with the U23s, but it is the U23s. And a difference of opinion doesnt always have to be negative, it can just be a difference of opinion? But if we do have a chairman that has the finances to make a change then surely going for the best possible candidate is the best option, and in my opinion Unsworth has done little to justify being that, but clearly you think different, which is fine.ha ha. your fucking joking. Koeman bought and built that side, thats why he got sacked.
Post by: Waltzer on November 06, 2017, 07:32:45 PM
ha ha. your fucking joking. Koeman bought and built that side, thats why he got sacked.
Heh, and that'll be another thing we disagree on, especially considering Walsh has stated that was one of the major reason he was bought in as DoF, for his recruiting background. Makes you wonder what Walsh does do though if you're right, which goes back to my point about the need for an overhaul......
Post by: sirblue57 on November 06, 2017, 07:39:26 PM
Heh, and that'll be another thing we disagree on, especially considering Walsh has stated that was one of the major reason he was bought in as DoF, for his recruiting background. Makes you wonder what Walsh does do though if you're right, which goes back to my point about the need for an overhaul......Martina was a RK player,as was Siggurdson .if walsh had a hand in this fiasco, then he should go. but to say RK would have struggled as much as DU is a stupid statement. DU had no input in the squad he inherited. there were at least 4 players brought in we didn't need, and the positions we were desperate to cover we never did. that goes from SW and RK right to the top, everyone of them should be accountable.
to even try to bring DU into that fiasco reeks of desperation or lack of common sense.
Post by: Waltzer on November 06, 2017, 07:46:38 PM
Martina was a RK player,as was Siggurdson .if walsh had a hand in this fiasco, then he should go. but to say RK would have struggled as much as DU is a stupid statement. DU had no input in the squad he inherited. there were at least 4 players brought in we didn't need, and the positions we were desperate to cover we never did. that goes from SW and RK right to the top, everyone of them should be accountable.
to even try to bring DU into that fiasco reeks of desperation or lack of common sense.
It isnt, both had no chance given our striking limitations. Believe it or not Koeman did have a plan, the plan revolved around getting a target man, it was a pivotal piece that wasnt ever completed so we'll never no. People go on about Martina like its a big deal, it was a freebie as cover, big deal. Sigurdsson was expensive but he is the best at doing what Koeman wanted, set piece delivery to a target man, which he never got, the rest as they say is history.
Post by: everton1952 on November 06, 2017, 08:01:23 PM
Post by: sirblue57 on November 06, 2017, 08:06:49 PM
It isnt, both had no chance given our striking limitations. Believe it or not Koeman did have a plan, the plan revolved around getting a target man, it was a pivotal piece that wasnt ever completed so we'll never no. People go on about Martina like its a big deal, it was a freebie as cover, big deal. Sigurdsson was expensive but he is the best at doing what Koeman wanted, set piece delivery to a target man, which he never got, the rest as they say is history.he put everything on Giroud, never a good idea, and i would rather pay some cold hard cash for a decent defender, who would then make coleman play for his place, than a cheap and cheerful limited player. as I said, we spent money on players we didn't need and failed to get those we did. either way. nothing DU could do about that, but RK had the option to change plans before the window shut. no comparison really?
Post by: Waltzer on November 06, 2017, 08:54:59 PM
he put everything on Giroud, never a good idea, and i would rather pay some cold hard cash for a decent defender, who would then make coleman play for his place, than a cheap and cheerful limited player. as I said, we spent money on players we didn't need and failed to get those we did. either way. nothing DU could do about that, but RK had the option to change plans before the window shut. no comparison really?Okay if thats your belief thats fine. Koeman stated he wanted Giroud, but also confirmed the board felt the 2nd, 3rd and 4th options were too expensive (I bet they look cheap now). If you think spending money on a right back to compete when we have 1 of the best in the league/Europe is the correct way forward then who am I to argue with competition for places, but considering they wouldn't fork out for a striker we desperately needed, I think I know what the boards response might have been.
The other points you raised about signing players we dont need kind of back up my point about a complete overhaul, why was this allowed to happen, if true? And I fail to see how Koeman could change his plans before the window shut, name me 1 manager in world football that could change their plans to go into the hardest league in the world without a recognised striker?
Post by: therealdunc on November 06, 2017, 11:36:26 PM
He failed his trial and IMO would be better off going into the lower leagues or non league to get some real experience of managing a proper first team if he wants to be a premier league football manager
Post by: sirblue57 on November 06, 2017, 11:58:22 PM
Pleased to find out Unsworth isn’t getting the job.
He failed his trial and IMO would be better off going into the lower leagues or non league to get some real experience of managing a proper first team if he wants to be a premier league football manager
Post by: sirblue57 on November 06, 2017, 11:58:55 PM
Pleased to find out Unsworth isn’t getting the job.Why?
He failed his trial and IMO would be better off going into the lower leagues or non league to get some real experience of managing a proper first team if he wants to be a premier league football manager
Post by: boothill on November 07, 2017, 12:44:29 AM
Post by: everton1952 on November 07, 2017, 12:48:24 AM
Post by: brap2 on November 07, 2017, 12:49:25 AM
I also think he’s not ready for this job and it’d be suicidal on our part.
Post by: D15TIN on November 07, 2017, 12:49:51 AM
Pleased to find out Unsworth isn’t getting the job.his trial consisted of 1 day to prepare for Chelsea away, then trips to Leicester and lyon with a team with 0 confidence, he probably won his only real winnable game.
He failed his trial and IMO would be better off going into the lower leagues or non league to get some real experience of managing a proper first team if he wants to be a premier league football manager
Post by: brap2 on November 07, 2017, 12:55:39 AM
his trial consisted of 1 day to prepare for Chelsea away, then trips to Leicester and lyon with a team with 0 confidence, he probably won his only real winnable game.
Would you say those other games were...expected losses?
Post by: everton1952 on November 07, 2017, 01:02:55 AM
Post by: Thomas on November 07, 2017, 06:38:25 AM
Jury's out on keeping him in the hot seat though.
Post by: SANA_DR0 on November 08, 2017, 12:55:00 AM
Post by: Normm on November 08, 2017, 01:31:22 AM
Take time to watch the post match interviews and no one should doubt the respect those players have for the man. At this moment, I think we should allow him longer and give Unsy and the team our full support. The spirit in the team at the end of the match is something we need to carry forward.
That was an epic show of character and enthusiasm! Kudos to Unsy for helping to inspire the come back and lift morale at the club.
Post by: kramer0 on November 08, 2017, 01:57:15 AM
Keep chopping and changing? No thanks.
Post by: Fynci on November 08, 2017, 03:08:55 AM
give Unsworth til Jan, if he;s done well let him spend some dosh, if not, bring in Tuchel or Silva.
I think we'll limp through to January whoever is in charge of the club. The sad thing is that if it is Unsworth, and he does indeed step back to the U23's in January, then his time at the helm may be viewed poorly. If we're going to give Unsworth a shot then it should be until the end of the season. If we can't do that then we need someone in ASAP, and start judging them at the end of January.
Post by: therealdunc on November 08, 2017, 01:32:47 PM
Works with a better class of player in u23s, how many non or lower league managers have become a success ?
This is simply not true.
Less than 10% of u23 players make it in the football league, this was a stat printed in the guardian.
So o say u23 is a higher standard of player is completely wrong.
Furthermore, there isn’t the same pressure or consequences managing a kids team at a big club with plenty of resources Than managing a Real first team where results matter and you have to find the talent and keep them motivated and happy within the confines of a budget.
What Eddie Howe has achieved is far greater than Unsworth.
It shows how far Everton have fallen if David Unsworth is even being considered for the job
Post by: Lincs Toffee on November 08, 2017, 04:19:08 PM
Post by: sirblue57 on November 08, 2017, 05:08:05 PM
This is simply not true.Some clubs have found promoting from within has been very beneficial. Liverpool . Barcelona. Real...i would say if the DoF is working in tandem with Unsworth, it could work, maybe even surpass what we would expect. It's a gamble of course, but so was Martinez and Koeman.
Less than 10% of u23 players make it in the football league, this was a stat printed in the guardian.
So o say u23 is a higher standard of player is completely wrong.
Furthermore, there isn’t the same pressure or consequences managing a kids team at a big club with plenty of resources Than managing a Real first team where results matter and you have to find the talent and keep them motivated and happy within the confines of a budget.
What Eddie Howe has achieved is far greater than Unsworth.
It shows how far Everton have fallen if David Unsworth is even being considered for the job
Post by: Bluedylan on November 08, 2017, 05:15:39 PM
Post by: Rodenplav64 on November 08, 2017, 05:22:36 PM
Post by: GLewis on November 08, 2017, 05:24:01 PM
Would people be feeling differently if the Watford game was Unsworth's first game in charge? (as it should've been if we'd timed the Koeman sacking intelligently). I suspect a fair few people would. But we've ruined his chances by giving him three hard away games to start with. Top stuff by the powers that be.
I agree that start was tough but no one would have seriously suggested just letting Koeman carry on because they were expected losses ;)
Personally think that the Chelsea and Lyon games were better for his longer term prospects as they had a balanced team with a clear plan for the opposition and that were coherent with each other.
The league games have been wild in comparison.
Watford was a fluke game (our first ever where we’ve been 0-0 at half time, gone 2 goals down and come back to win).
Wish he’d played the same way (as Chelsea and Lyon) in all 4 games but with just minor tweaks.
Post by: boothill on November 08, 2017, 06:15:02 PM
This is simply not true.the 10% (if thats true)of under 23s that make it are of a much higher level than any non or lower league player, and can be trained to a much higher level also.hence thats why we have currently the best under 23 team/squad at the moment. how many others have gone into their 1st teams ?
Less than 10% of u23 players make it in the football league, this was a stat printed in the guardian.
So o say u23 is a higher standard of player is completely wrong.
Furthermore, there isn’t the same pressure or consequences managing a kids team at a big club with plenty of resources Than managing a Real first team where results matter and you have to find the talent and keep them motivated and happy within the confines of a budget.
What Eddie Howe has achieved is far greater than Unsworth.
It shows how far Everton have fallen if David Unsworth is even being considered for the job
also there is pressure to attain positive results in all forms of coaching and employment and especially at a competitive enviroment, otherwise there is no point to coach or train.
what has eddie howe actually acheived ? hes kept a team in the league with a league win rate of 35ish%
unsworth league win rate is 66%, cant argue with the stats
and it just shows you how low we've got to be even contemplating, allerdyce, dyche or howe
Post by: BlueNoseMike on November 08, 2017, 06:26:00 PM
the 10% (if thats true)of under 23s that make it are of a much higher level than any non or lower league player, and can be trained to a much higher level also.hence thats why we have currently the best under 23 team/squad at the moment. how many others have gone into their 1st teams ?
also there is pressure to attain positive results in all forms of coaching and employment and especially at a competitive enviroment, otherwise there is no point to coach or train.
what has eddie howe actually acheived ? hes kept a team in the league with a league win rate of 35ish%
unsworth league win rate is 66%, cant argue with the stats
and it just shows you how low we've got to be even contemplating, allerdyce, dyche or howe
Howe was being bandied about as a potential long term successor for Wenger last year. To compare his win % with Unsworth and ask what has he achieved is a bit silly imo. I'm not exactly saying Howe is all that as the media do, little old Bournemouth have spent quite a bit of money. However, he guided them to a top half finish last year, plays attractive football and has had big results against big teams such as United, Chelsea and the like
My worry with Howe is I think a large part of the success is that he has an affinity with that club, having played there for years too. He has had years to understand how they work which would have helped.
To disregard the achievements of a guy that has took a club on the brink of relegation from the whole football league and took them from League 2 to the Prem and to compare his record with that of Unsworth's is a farce to be honest. To imply that Unsworth is a better option due to his 66% win rate in the premier league (from 3 games) is a wind up.
Are you on a wind up?
Post by: MmmblueBernard on November 08, 2017, 06:29:19 PM
Wish he’d played the same way (as Chelsea and Lyon) in all 4 games but with just minor tweaks.
To be fair he's still trying to unpick the tactical and squad mess he's been left with. At least he's not failing and making the same mistakes.
Post by: boothill on November 08, 2017, 06:55:05 PM
Howe was being bandied about as a potential long term successor for Wenger last year. To compare his win % with Unsworth and ask what has he achieved is a bit silly imo. I'm not exactly saying Howe is all that as the media do, little old Bournemouth have spent quite a bit of money. However, he guided them to a top half finish last year, plays attractive football and has had big results against big teams such as United, Chelsea and the likemaybe i was a tad unfair on howe, but i wasnt the one who started presenting percentages, i just gave an answer in this way as that was the structure of the post. but as you say, howe as an affinity with his club, unsworth with mine. to be dismissed simply because a person doesnt like him is ridiculous
My worry with Howe is I think a large part of the success is that he has an affinity with that club, having played there for years too. He has had years to understand how they work which would have helped.
To disregard the achievements of a guy that has took a club on the brink of relegation from the whole football league and took them from League 2 to the Prem and to compare his record with that of Unsworth's is a farce to be honest. To imply that Unsworth is a better option due to his 66% win rate in the premier league (from 3 games) is a wind up.
Are you on a wind up?
Post by: velimski on November 08, 2017, 07:17:31 PM
Would people be feeling differently if the Watford game was Unsworth's first game in charge? (as it should've been if we'd timed the Koeman sacking intelligently). I suspect a fair few people would. But we've ruined his chances by giving him three hard away games to start with. Top stuff by the powers that be.
There was a reason for bringing in Unsworth when we did - to give us a chance of progressing in the league cup and getting back into the Europa league. Granted they were tough games, but with Koeman still in charge we were almost certain to lose both games anyway.
Post by: GLewis on November 08, 2017, 07:59:56 PM
To be fair he's still trying to unpick the tactical and squad mess he's been left with. At least he's not failing and making the same mistakes.
Dont agree.
He’s had some good ideas but he’s also got the league selections wrong.
We’ve changed shape from game to game. He’s been forced into big selection / tactical changes in both league games despite having evidence from the previous cup game that there is a decent balance to be had in the squad.
If the problem was sorting out the previous tactical mess then keep things simple and consistent, especially when you don’t have many training sessions in between matches.
The best performance bits have been with the best balance to the players available, yet those selections haven’t happened all the time.
Don’t know whether that’s due to trying to show tactical awareness or what.
I do think his base ideas are sound. Eg we started aggressively vs Watford but the shape was wrong so that dissipated when it became too easy for them to play the ball round the narrow front 3. This was and has been obvious in previous games, so it was a shame that the good underlying idea was squashed by the formation although framework.
If he stays on, I hope that the medium term security allows more confidence to work on a set way of playing with personnel tweaks for each game.
Post by: kramer0 on November 08, 2017, 08:31:26 PM
If Unsworth stays, he also needs to seriously consider putting Gana on the bench. He might be a hard worker, up for the fight, etc. but his overzealous positioning is hurting us right now. Part of the reason it was so easy to pass through our midfield on Sunday is because Gana kept turning up in Baningime's area, leaving big gaps to be worked. And it's subtle, but if you watch Watford's penalty again, he gets sucked towards the wing, where we had the situation under control, opening up space in the middle which they exploited to get the ball into the box. I think he needs to sit until he learns to trust his teammates to do their defensive jobs. I know most of you are probably sick of hearing me complain about him but I do think he's become a genuine defensive liability, however counter-intuitive that seems.
Post by: Jimmywhack on November 08, 2017, 09:04:53 PM
Post by: MmmblueBernard on November 08, 2017, 09:46:43 PM
Post by: kramer0 on November 08, 2017, 10:05:26 PM
He seems like he wanta a high press. That's all well and good but we also have a defence that wants to sit deep so that leaves a big gap between our midfield and the defence which is where the opposition can pick us off easily
Yep, very true.
With our slow defenders, we'd be better off with a mid-block press. Give them the ball in their own third, press them when they advance the ball anywhere meaningful.
Post by: Ridge on November 08, 2017, 11:37:54 PM
This was the decision time and it needs some bravery from Moshiri and board, but I think he's exuded calmness and control and got the team improving and developing, main players couldn't appear much more motivated. And he's not come in and started calling players shit. He gave Mirallas, Schneiderlin and Martina chances to be part of the team and they've not delivered. But both have already signaled that they made a poor decision and want to play for him.
When prep time for games increases from 3 days to a week, and players are more settled, we'll find out much more about what he wants. At the moment, it's trying to work out what he's trying to do and you can't leap a chasm in 2 jumps.
Evenb if we find it doesn't work out in a few months time, we'll have several youngsters who have developed and been given game time. So far players like Davies, DCL, Lookman have looked more confident and ready to deliver and change games.
We don't have endless options and getting the best out of the younger players, with a coach they respect and like, seems the best option. If we could get Guardiola or something then maybe not, but the only interest was from the usual suspects and while others may become more interested and things improve, fuck them, Unsworth was happy to take the world on his back and thanked us for the opportunity, he's a servant to the club, not himself.
Post by: Confucius on November 08, 2017, 11:46:03 PM
Would people be feeling differently if the Watford game was Unsworth's first game in charge? (as it should've been if we'd timed the Koeman sacking intelligently). I suspect a fair few people would. But we've ruined his chances by giving him three hard away games to start with. Top stuff by the powers that be.
HAHAHaHA!!!! What a load of tosh. Can't stop laughing at this.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 09, 2017, 12:52:26 AM
I voted for him. I am a little worried that it might be a decision based on sentiment rather than wisdom though.
Wonder if we'd won without the stirring comeback he'd have got less marks for that. We signed rooney blinded by the romance of it. Hope it's not the same with unsworth
Post by: D15TIN on November 09, 2017, 12:56:10 AM
He's odds on now. Shortest price there's been on anyone on betfair.As time goes on it looks more and more likely Unsworth until the end of the season or until Jan, think we should see how we get on against Palace now
I voted for him. I am a little worried that it might be a decision based on sentiment rather than wisdom though.
Wonder if we'd won without the stirring comeback he'd have got less marks for that. We signed rooney blinded by the romance of it. Hope it's not the same with unsworth
Post by: BlueForYou on November 09, 2017, 01:03:20 AM
Lose, we get someone else? How long would that take? December?
Draw? Stay or go back with the U23's?
A decision has to be made before that game - and stick to it
Post by: Ridge on November 12, 2017, 08:56:47 PM
We look more stable at the back, and pose much more of a threat going forward. Now he has a week to get players together for coaching and team building. 4 games in 13 days was a baptism of fire, first 3 away against very good opposition.
Struggling to work out why it's taking so long to sort. Wonder if someone like Hiddink, Van Gaal, or Ancelotti is interested.
Post by: everton1952 on November 12, 2017, 09:23:02 PM
Post by: Ridge on November 12, 2017, 09:29:29 PM
I can understand fear and caution, but he needs a contract to have the stability, so every game isn't a matter of life or death.
Post by: everton1952 on November 12, 2017, 09:41:09 PM
Post by: Ridge on November 17, 2017, 06:13:52 AM
Surely, we're running out of barrels to scrape.
Post by: Jimmywhack on November 17, 2017, 06:20:15 AM
Have to say I'm more worried that there is any truth in the royle picking the sides story tbh. Royle should be no where near picking a prem xi
If it's not royle then the worry would be unsworth seems to have written players off very quickly and every game we have gone two nil down
Post by: Ridge on November 17, 2017, 06:44:55 AM
If we'd just given the job to Unsworth in the first place, fans would have a much better opinion of him. After giving him 4 games to try and turn it around, you need to make a decision shortly after the 4th game and again we decided to look about.
Managers want big contracts not just for the money, but also to protect their position. When it's vulnerable, there is no stability and any manager would struggle to retain authority. It's a lack of respect and that transmits to players, fans and media.
Post by: Bluedylan on November 17, 2017, 12:12:10 PM
HAHAHaHA!!!! What a load of tosh. Can't stop laughing at this.
No mate. Sacking a manager at a specific time to give the caretaker/new manager the best possible chance to start well (ie more winnable games) is genuinely a thing. That's not even an opinion or one side of a debate. It's something that happens all the time, and something that boards consider.
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on November 17, 2017, 12:44:06 PM
I'm hopeful after we beat Palace, he'll get the contract until the end of the season now.I think after we lose to Palace, he’ll be out the picture.
Surely, we're running out of barrels to scrape.
Can then see us going for Dyche.
Happy to be proven wrong and it’s all about opinions bud!
Post by: Waltzer on November 17, 2017, 01:56:31 PM
Unsworth is the most impressive English coach not managing a first team prior to taking reins. He's made brave decisions and he's shown a clear direction in how he wants the team to play and develop. For a team drained of confidence when he came in, poor defensively, no goals, he'd lost his first 3 games, we were 2-0 down at home and he didn't falter or panic, and things came good. Maybe some luck with keeper, but Lennon non penalty and few other moments that could have gone differently in other games before then.
We look more stable at the back, and pose much more of a threat going forward. Now he has a week to get players together for coaching and team building. 4 games in 13 days was a baptism of fire, first 3 away against very good opposition.
What is that statement based on about Unsie being the best English coach out there? Forgive my ignorance I dont follow English coaches a great deal, I know he did okay with the under 23s but not much else?
And we've conceded 9 goals in the 4 games in charge, I suppose its open to interpretation but that doesnt strike me as being more stable?
Post by: Confucius on November 17, 2017, 10:35:15 PM
No mate. Sacking a manager at a specific time to give the caretaker/new manager the best possible chance to start well (ie more winnable games) is genuinely a thing. That's not even an opinion or one side of a debate. It's something that happens all the time, and something that boards consider.
You wanted him sacked for so long and then complain we didn't keep him longer to give Unsworth a chance. Again, what a load of tosh.
Post by: Bluedylan on November 17, 2017, 10:36:45 PM
You wanted him sacked for so long and then complain we didn't keep him longer to give Unsworth a chance. Again, what a load of tosh.
You know that's not what I'm saying, but you're being a knob deliberately. Jog on mate.
Post by: Confucius on November 17, 2017, 10:40:35 PM
You know that's not what I'm saying, but you're being a knob deliberately. Jog on mate.
No, I don't know what you saying. Sounds like you looking for excuses for Unsworth.
Post by: Ridge on November 17, 2017, 11:24:25 PM
What is that statement based on about Unsie being the best English coach out there? Forgive my ignorance I dont follow English coaches a great deal, I know he did okay with the under 23s but not much else?
And we've conceded 9 goals in the 4 games in charge, I suppose its open to interpretation but that doesnt strike me as being more stable?
I was meaning, those not in senior management in PL or Championship. While U23s is a poor standard and none of the players are good enough to become real footballers, he did ok. He managed to win a few games and finished quite a few places off the bottom of the league.
Any half decent manager would be able to come in, wave his wand and turn us back into challenging for europe in first 10 days, not wait until first home league game. If we can't beat shit teams like Chelsea, Lyon in cup games and Leicester away, any new manager deserves to be sacked, things should go from shit to great overnight, they would be on course to win Europa league and competing for CL by now.
Koeman couldn't get team playing or turn it around in 20 games, despite his experience in management, but that's because of Steve Walsh spending £140m and not buying any good players. But those players have since become great again and we just need a big name manager, knows what it takes, who lots of people in media rate etc.
Post by: everton1952 on November 18, 2017, 06:13:50 AM
Post by: therealdunc on November 18, 2017, 06:16:23 AM
Post by: bluenuck on November 18, 2017, 10:37:08 AM
There is that rubbish again about spending £140m.
And the rubbish about not buying good players. Klassen, sig, and I'm sure Sandro and vlasic are very good players, too. We just didn't buy properly to build a balanced squad. There's a difference.
Oh, not to mention Pickford is a stud, and I think keane will come good if we actually get 3 defenders who can cover their positions properly.
Post by: Ridge on November 18, 2017, 08:13:35 PM
We did spend £140m, that bit was true.
Post by: bluenuck on November 18, 2017, 11:05:02 PM
Can't you tell I was being facetious, sarcastic? :eh:
We did spend £140m, that bit was true.
I blame the rum.
Post by: kramer0 on November 18, 2017, 11:09:18 PM
We seem to be getting less cohesive by the match. He needs to be replaced.
Post by: Major Clanger on November 18, 2017, 11:10:55 PM
I'm really disappointed in Unsworth. I thought we'd at least be organized and difficult to play against but Palace opened us up quite easily today.
I'm not surprised at all, he has been completely undermined by the board throughout the passing weeks.
Post by: Ridge on November 18, 2017, 11:13:39 PM
Jags and Williams are not a good centre back pairing, Holgate is still learning and Funes Mori is a bit of a lunatic. But short of switching to 3 at the back, I don't see how you can find a stable defence.
I think today was a good day to try and see if he could get Keane to play, smaller pitch, they were likely to have Benteke's aerial threat and they are Palace rather than City.
Post by: everton1952 on November 18, 2017, 11:16:35 PM
Post by: Ridge on November 18, 2017, 11:20:22 PM
But you can't go toe to toe and trade blows when you have such vulnerabilities in defence. You might land a few blows, but you'll always be open to threat.
Post by: ally2 on November 18, 2017, 11:28:17 PM
I'm not surprised at all, he has been completely undermined by the board throughout the passing weeks.
Diddums
Post by: Bluedylan on November 18, 2017, 11:39:31 PM
And then we don't have speed merchants like Zaha to be really good on the break.
The more I look at it, the more I wonder how you can set this group of players up to play effectively for a run of games.
Post by: blargins on November 18, 2017, 11:41:38 PM
Post by: Major Clanger on November 18, 2017, 11:43:09 PM
Diddums
I don't think you get it but never mind.
Post by: boothill on November 18, 2017, 11:44:14 PM
Post by: bluenuck on November 19, 2017, 12:01:09 AM
Our defence is so slow and leggy that it'd be suicidal to push up. So then we have to defend deeper, which results in us losing the battle for possession and territory. Then we don't have a playmaking midfielder who can run things in the middle, so the midfield ends up being a bit chaotic and backs to the wall.
And then we don't have speed merchants like Zaha to be really good on the break.
The more I look at it, the more I wonder how you can set this group of players up to play effectively for a run of games.
Easy to plan, coach, and play against.
Our mid field is actually our best asset, but it's being made look ridiculous right now because of poor quality behind it and in front of it. They really have nothing to pass to and no help behind them. Playing mid field for us right now would be a lonely feeling.
Post by: Ridge on November 19, 2017, 12:57:16 AM
I really thought that would be the most obvious thing that needed changing. Even if only to settle defence, just bring in the players we had last year, and keep Keane on the bench, or build a relationship out the side.
Maybe both Koeman and Unsworth think its more a confidence issue than a pace thing and it could be. But when this was a problem early in season, I couldn't imagine I'd still be seeing the same problems now, with the same personnel, especially when last season this was not a major issue.
We're getting goals and we've got 4 points from last 2 games, but defensively we're still a sitting duck and the only thing we've changed this season, we still haven't changed back.
Post by: Waltzer on November 19, 2017, 01:10:49 AM
The thing I find quite strange, is that we've not actually lost or sold any of the defenders we had last season. Koeman persisted with Keane right up until he was sacked. Unsworth came in and put Jags and Williams together in the cup games, but both league games he's played Keane as well.You only said yesterday we look much more settled and better in defence?
I really thought that would be the most obvious thing that needed changing. Even if only to settle defence, just bring in the players we had last year, and keep Keane on the bench, or build a relationship out the side.
Maybe both Koeman and Unsworth think its more a confidence issue than a pace thing and it could be. But when this was a problem early in season, I couldn't imagine I'd still be seeing the same problems now, with the same personnel, especially when last season this was not a major issue.
We're getting goals and we've got 4 points from last 2 games, but defensively we're still a sitting duck and the only thing we've changed this season, we still haven't changed back.
Post by: Ridge on November 19, 2017, 01:14:26 AM
You only said yesterday we look much more settled and better in defence?
Without Keane we do.
Post by: Ell Capitan on November 19, 2017, 01:20:48 AM
Plays a big part in keeping us organised.
Post by: ally2 on November 19, 2017, 01:26:52 AM
Think people underestimate how much we miss Coleman.
Plays a big part in keeping us organised.
For me it's a dysfunctional left hand side that more of a problem. Baines is a shadow of his former self. Also Coleman was starting to get stick before his injury. I don't think we can expect too much from him when he returns.
Post by: gizzblue on November 19, 2017, 01:50:31 AM
For me it's a dysfunctional left hand side that more of a problem. Baines is a shadow of his former self. Also Coleman was starting to get stick before his injury. I don't think we can expect too much from him when he returns.Is someone missing Mirallas however veiled it may be ,that's how it sounds.😅
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on November 19, 2017, 03:12:52 AM
Our defence is so slow and leggy that it'd be suicidal to push up. So then we have to defend deeper, which results in us losing the battle for possession and territory. Then we don't have a playmaking midfielder who can run things in the middle, so the midfield ends up being a bit chaotic and backs to the wall.You’ve changed your tune. Called this ages ago and you slaughtered me, said I was a miserable sod cos you still had designs on challenging the top 6.
And then we don't have speed merchants like Zaha to be really good on the break.
The more I look at it, the more I wonder how you can set this group of players up to play effectively for a run of games.
But I forgive you.
Post by: ally2 on November 19, 2017, 03:12:54 AM
Is someone missing Mirallas however veiled it may be ,that's how it sounds.
No. I'm not in the camp that wants to vilify him though. Find it a little absurd.
Post by: gizzblue on November 19, 2017, 03:14:36 AM
No. I'm not in the camp that wants to vilify him though. Find it a little absurd.I like the guy ...present situation aside(as we really have no clue).
Post by: sam of the south on November 19, 2017, 03:17:08 AM
A good transfer window will help solve a great deal of problems. Hope we can get one.
We've said this the last three transfer windows
Post by: blargins on November 19, 2017, 03:22:10 AM
We've said this the last three transfer windows
We have. Maybe this time we'll get it right?
In Jan we need a striker, a wide player, a center back and a left back.
Get those, we have more balance and should have a better second half of the season. May even have a shot at Europe.
Post by: therealdunc on November 19, 2017, 04:20:00 AM
Unsworth looked lost again, we didn’t adapt to the deteriorating pitch which Palace did.
Didn’t adapt the formation to pick up Townsend or zaha.
Team selection garbage, it’s clear as mud Arron Lennon is average at best so why keep picking him when he offers so little.
Back to kids football for Unsy, with no pressure, where your all mates, where you can take it easy and tactics and results don’t actually matter.
Post by: Confucius on November 19, 2017, 04:50:36 AM
Post by: bluestevie on November 19, 2017, 05:55:58 AM
A manager who understands tactics would be a good start.
Unsworth looked lost again, we didn’t adapt to the deteriorating pitch which Palace did.
Didn’t adapt the formation to pick up Townsend or zaha.
Team selection garbage, it’s clear as mud Arron Lennon is average at best so why keep picking him when he offers so little.
Back to kids football for Unsy, with no pressure, where your all mates, where you can take it easy and tactics and results don’t actually matter.
Shows how little knowledge of the game you actually have, Lennon may be average but he does something very important for a wing player, covers the right back which, in case you haven't noticed, is being currently occupied by an inexperienced kid. That is why he has been part of the team recently. I had no issues with the selection apart from the selection of Morgan S given the recent rumors and the fact Unsy himself admitted after the game he was dealing with an injury
Post by: everton1952 on November 19, 2017, 06:14:39 AM
In a team so desperately lacking quality, it is outrageous not to play Rooney.I take it you were nowhere near Goodison then for the Watford game? Wayne was embarrassingly bad and got hauled off by Unsie. Hardly surprising he was not selected today don't you think?
Post by: gizzblue on November 19, 2017, 06:14:49 AM
In a team so desperately lacking quality, it is outrageous not to play Rooney.The ball was given away plenty today ...why did we need Rooney ?...he's going to China or Mls.
Post by: Ridge on November 20, 2017, 02:45:12 PM
I think time will show he's a better manager than most managers we're linked with, Silva, Dyche etc.
Post by: Gary1878 on November 20, 2017, 02:54:47 PM
Lennon also had to play to protect Kenny (who actually did very well) against Zaha's pace.
All in all, I was pleased with the resolve the squad showed, and we had chances to win the game in the second half (DCL's sticks out).
Anyone who says Rooney should have played clearly hasn't watched this season's football closely enough. He has been absolutely useless apart from a couple of goals from 25 yards. He gives the ball away more than any other player, no pace, barely any creativity, and not as much energy as Siggy. He just isn't that good anymore and needs to be shipped onto China/MLS/AN Other in the summer.
ADDITION - Also, 2-2 against a side away from home with a passionate crowd, who has a new manager and some good players is really not a bad result at all, especially playing the way we are. Unbeaten now in 2 whole games! Don't forget the impact that this has on confident building in the squad.
Post by: ally2 on November 20, 2017, 04:43:19 PM
Post by: Escla on November 20, 2017, 05:00:42 PM
Unbeaten in 2 haha
Four weeks ago we would have gotten thrashed by them.
Post by: Rodenplav64 on November 20, 2017, 05:09:15 PM
He's had much less time, got more out of the team than Koeman, who's an experienced manager, used to big squad changes. I think the position he's taken over and with board adding to huge problems, its made the very difficult, near impossible.
I think time will show he's a better manager than most managers we're linked with, Silva, Dyche etc.
I hate saying this but this . Some proper fucking cretins gave Koeman and his shit football a season of excuses and given this that and the other and we will be in the 4 . After 5 games some of the same gobshites are writing off a stand in Manager who has arguably inherited a far worse team than the one Koeman inherited . Well for all those who lauded all our quality signings time to eat shite for the rest of the season because there is no way on earth we are splashing out in the next window . For that reason alone it is better to have someone who knows the club and the players at it and given a few games will turn it round . Big Sam would be counting his 'keep us up bonus' already having got 4 points from the same games as Unsworth .
Post by: Escla on November 20, 2017, 05:17:12 PM
I take it you were nowhere near Goodison then for the Watford game? Wayne was embarrassingly bad and got hauled off by Unsie. Hardly surprising he was not selected today don't you think?
Wouldn't surprise me if he got a start against Atalanta then on the bench against Southampton.
Post by: pjk on November 20, 2017, 05:22:02 PM
Post by: Ridge on November 20, 2017, 08:52:37 PM
Understand a lot of people think U23s doesn't count as real football, but find it a bit bizarre how little appreciation there is for what he did with U23s
Post by: Waltzer on November 20, 2017, 09:01:56 PM
I'd be interested to know if people would be more impressed by winning title with Olympiacos, Celtic or our U23s.
Understand a lot of people think U23s doesn't count as real football, but find it a bit bizarre how little appreciation there is for what he did with U23s
I dont think you can discount the U23s completely, but i also dont think it has much relevance to the situation he finds himself in now. Purely speculating on individuals personalities and the makeup of squads I could imagine the skillsets required for both are very different. I was listening to something the other day and one of the managers said when managing better teams you do less coaching as good players have positional awareness etc and they almost regulate themselves and pull one another up when things arent going right, its more about managing people whereas I can imagine managing/coaching u23s is just that, its teaching younger players the game and how to handle situations. Are they transferable, I dont know, but id rather give it to someone that has experience in dealing with those situations.
I said it in the other thread that if Unsie doesnt get that id bet a lot of money that he wouldnt even be considered for any other job in the league
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 20, 2017, 09:13:13 PM
He's had much less time, got more out of the team than Koeman, who's an experienced manager, used to big squad changes. I think the position he's taken over and with board adding to huge problems, its made the very difficult, near impossible.
I think time will show he's a better manager than most managers we're linked with, Silva, Dyche etc.
I don't see it. I voted for unsworth but we've been getting gradually worse in terms of performance. The palace game was shambolic. 3 nil would have been a fairer result. Absolutely no confidence in him now
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 20, 2017, 09:15:32 PM
Four weeks ago we would have gotten thrashed by them.
They pretty much did thrash us in terms of performance. The result was luck not judgement
Post by: brap2 on November 20, 2017, 09:17:50 PM
I'd be interested to know if people would be more impressed by winning title with Olympiacos, Celtic or our U23s.
Understand a lot of people think U23s doesn't count as real football, but find it a bit bizarre how little appreciation there is for what he did with U23s
Celtic or Olympiakos a thousand times over, obviously.
If you can tell me another manager who’s won something at u-21/23 level I’ll be blown away. Nobody gives a shit.
It’s like if a striker scores at youth level - great, nice to hear, good sign certainly but the minute he’s got his big boy pants on all that evaporates and it’s time to prove yourself for real.
Post by: Ridge on November 20, 2017, 09:18:15 PM
Most of the coaches we're looking at, had arguably most impressive performance when they were promoted from youth team and put youngsters in. But they knew club and setup intimately, showed faith in players from youth team.
Look at Guardiola at his clubs, he's put in youngsters willing to learn and put everything in for him and culled the older players who resist or challenge his authority.
Part of the problem, is that older players respect reputations and don't listen to ones they doubt. If Unsworth had maximum respect of fans, I think the new signings and bigger names would soon get in line or be dropped. But there has been lack of faith and plenty of fear of inexperience. But his young players have worked socks off for him.
Post by: Lxxx on November 20, 2017, 09:19:52 PM
Post by: brap2 on November 20, 2017, 09:20:43 PM
Ridge, unsworth is getting a chance and it’s looking more and more to the detriment of the side. He’s come into a bad situation and hasn’t shat the bed entirely but this ‘wait and see and he might be OK’ thing is fantasy.
We need the best coach possible and we need him in ASAP.
Post by: boothill on November 20, 2017, 09:22:57 PM
I don't see it. I voted for unsworth but we've been getting gradually worse in terms of performance. The palace game was shambolic. 3 nil would have been a fairer result. Absolutely no confidence in him now3 nil ? How ? We scored 2 and speroni pulled 3 goal bound saves off. Perfomance is much better. There seems a temparary halt to being absolutely being rolled over and rogered royally
Post by: boothill on November 20, 2017, 09:25:18 PM
Dont bring me good generals, bring me lucky generals
They pretty much did thrash us in terms of performance. The result was luck not judgement
Post by: Rodenplav64 on November 20, 2017, 09:26:22 PM
Celtic or Olympiakos a thousand times over, obviously.
If you can tell me another manager who’s won something at u-21/23 level I’ll be blown away. Nobody gives a shit.
It’s like if a striker scores at youth level - great, nice to hear, good sign certainly but the minute he’s got his big boy pants on all that evaporates and it’s time to prove yourself for real.
I might be wrong but I think Klopp , Nagelsman , Tuechal and Wagner were all youth team managers before their respective clubs gave them a chance . Sadly most Evertonians think we are bigger than Dortmund ,Mainz and Hoffenheim but not Olympiakos , Hull , Estoril or Watford . I agree it may seem too much for Unsworth at the minute but I don't think we need another wrong fit , at least till the summer .
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 20, 2017, 09:27:04 PM
3 nil ? How ? We scored 2 and speroni pulled 3 goal bound saves off. Perfomance is much better. There seems a temparary halt to being absolutely being rolled over and rogered royally
Well the 2 goals we scored certainly weren't by our own design. Not sure about these saves i genuinely don't remember them although DCL did miss a decent chance
I thought we were terrible. Palace had 70% possession created numberous good situations.
Did people really think that was a good performance? Happy enough with a point but I thought we just got extremely lucky
Post by: Ridge on November 20, 2017, 09:29:21 PM
Celtic or Olympiakos a thousand times over, obviously.
If you can tell me another manager who’s won something at u-21/23 level I’ll be blown away. Nobody gives a shit.
It’s like if a striker scores at youth level - great, nice to hear, good sign certainly but the minute he’s got his big boy pants on all that evaporates and it’s time to prove yourself for real.
But if your shit as a student, you'll probably be shit at what you want to achieve.
It's no guarantee it'll translate to full time role, but excelling in education is a very good sign of talent and potential.
U23s is best youth league in world. Plenty of examples of players who struggle and make it elsewhere, including Scottish PL.
It's more competitive than Scottish or Greek leagues, and we weren't favourites or have best team.
Unsworth would win either, if he'd won Bulgarian 2nd division, some would have more respect, its lunacy.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 20, 2017, 09:31:13 PM
Dont bring me good generals, bring me lucky generals
It's nonsense though really. If you're the better side 38 times you're almost certainly gonna win the league. Second best 38 times and you'll almost certainly go down
Post by: Waltzer on November 20, 2017, 09:35:52 PM
I might be wrong but I think Klopp , Nagelsman , Tuechal and Wagner were all youth team managers before their respective clubs gave them a chance . Sadly most Evertonians think we are bigger than Dortmund ,Mainz and Hoffenheim but not Olympiakos , Hull , Estoril or Watford . I agree it may seem too much for Unsworth at the minute but I don't think we need another wrong fit , at least till the summer .
Just because its worked for others doesnt mean thats a universal solution, I think you have to look at every case individually, in this instance Unsworth has shown little to evidence that hes the right person IMO. I think he gets a little lost, were making loads of subs at half time, or not far into the second half, formations are changing all the time. You could look at as adapting or is it cause he got it woefully wrong in the first place?
Post by: Ridge on November 20, 2017, 09:36:57 PM
He's been only stable influence at club in past couple of weeks, and fans are running him down because of fear.
If we treated young players like some fans have treated Unsworth, I wouldn't expect any to make it.
Whether he can do it or not, people are trying to make sure he can't, through fear or whatever.
Post by: boothill on November 20, 2017, 09:47:57 PM
Well the 2 goals we scored certainly weren't by our own design. Not sure about these saves i genuinely don't remember them although DCL did miss a decent chanceWe had 60% possesion against leicester, so that really counts for nothing does it really, cause if you dont score , then whats the use in it ?
I thought we were terrible. Palace had 70% possession created numberous good situations.
Did people really think that was a good performance? Happy enough with a point but I thought we just got extremely lucky
Post by: van der Meyde on November 20, 2017, 09:49:39 PM
It's more competitive than Scottish or Greek leagues, and we weren't favourites or have best team.We had a 26 year old striker with plenty of first team experience banging them in for half the season and, to quote one opposing manager, "the three best midfielders of the age group in the country".
I'm one of the most sympathetic to the Unsworth in shouts, and he deserves a lot of credit for what he did, but let's not pretend he was given a poor hand.
Post by: boothill on November 20, 2017, 09:59:12 PM
Post by: boothill on November 20, 2017, 09:59:55 PM
Give martinez 3/4 windows, give koeman 3/4 windows. Whats unsworth got ? F***all from some on here. 3 weeks ago we were 2nd from bottom, cut the guy a bit of slack ffs. He knows whats needed more than any outsider. And im sure hes feeling has much as all too
Post by: therealdunc on November 20, 2017, 10:10:01 PM
Best to call a spade a spade and take the blue tinted specs off v
Post by: everton1952 on November 20, 2017, 10:10:37 PM
Post by: Escla on November 20, 2017, 10:13:36 PM
They pretty much did thrash us in terms of performance. The result was luck not judgement
I'll humour you then, four weeks ago we wouldn't have been so lucky.
Post by: therealdunc on November 20, 2017, 10:18:28 PM
Oh Lor! Tell us what you see in dear Unsie which gives you any hope? (Do not say "he gets us")
Unsie is a boss blue, not as boss as Bill, but Bill loves him anyway.
Post by: boothill on November 20, 2017, 10:23:16 PM
Oh Lor! Tell us what you see in dear Unsie which gives you any hope? (Do not say "he gets us")not saying he gets us at all, he inherited a downtrodden, well beaten, and probably, quite humiliated squad, with not an ounce of fight left in them.he cant be blamed for the position the team was in when he took over, since then they have started to scrap and at times look out for each other on the pitch.he has took us up the table out of the relegation zone, certainly not out of the fight though.for a caretaker, winning 1 drawing 1 and losing 1 is certainly not a bad record, we are scoring more, still conceding , but a lot less. he's just a caretaker at the mo and doesnt have the luxury of a transfer market, and still some are tearing him apart like he is the highest paid manager weve had, get a grip, he's the CARETAKER, and until the board move their arse and produce the next pep or jose, get behind him or shut the fuck up
Post by: Rodenplav64 on November 20, 2017, 10:28:02 PM
Well the 2 goals we scored certainly weren't by our own design. Not sure about these saves i genuinely don't remember them although DCL did miss a decent chance
I thought we were terrible. Palace had 70% possession created numberous good situations.
Did people really think that was a good performance? Happy enough with a point but I thought we just got extremely lucky
Possession meant fuck all for Roberto so why worry when the opposition has more and fail to beat us at home .
Post by: therealdunc on November 20, 2017, 10:32:31 PM
More like the UNDERTAKER given how negative and awful his tactics are never mind his team selection and total inability to respond to what’s going on in the game.
I’m a bit concerned about him going back to the u23s based on what I’ve seen of him so far, no wonder it’s widely regarded that U23s football is a million miles away from premier league football.
Post by: Rodenplav64 on November 20, 2017, 10:33:58 PM
Just because its worked for others doesnt mean thats a universal solution, I think you have to look at every case individually, in this instance Unsworth has shown little to evidence that hes the right person IMO. I think he gets a little lost, were making loads of subs at half time, or not far into the second half, formations are changing all the time. You could look at as adapting or is it cause he got it woefully wrong in the first place?
That was just off the top of my head I ma sure there are plenty of others in different leagues . We need to get the next Manager right given what we have planned over the next couple of years and I don't think we will do that when the available and interested parties are so weak . Wait and see is all I am saying as hand on heart I don't think we will go down . Unsworth till the end of the season just makes more sense than the wrong appointment on a big salary bringing in a whole new staff .
Post by: kramer0 on November 20, 2017, 10:34:26 PM
For example, and this is a big one... the space between the midfield and defense. In every Premier League match under Unsworth, we've gotten torched by the opposition working the ball into that area. Gray and Loftus-Cheek killed us drifting inside off of the right flank, and Watford had a rotating cast of players dropping into that space, with multiple players making runs off the ball in support. Or, in other words, everybody we've played recently has worked out where they can hurt us and we've done nothing to stop it.
I would really like to see Unsworth revisit the 4-3-3 from the Chelsea match:
GK: Pickford
RB: Kenny
CB: Jagielka
CB: Keane/Williams (who cares at this point?)
LB: Baines
DM: Baningime (should be Schneiderlin but who knows what's wrong with him right now)
CM: Gana/Klaassen/Sigurdsson (no clue what to do with this position)
CM: Davies (we're always better with him on the pitch, even when he's not fully at it)
RAM: Lennon
CF: Rooney (drifts side to side, helps us keep the ball and work overloads on the flanks)
LAM: Sandro/Vlasic (no more Mirallas, Lookman is a luxury for when we actually have the ball)
Baningime patrols the space in which opponents are currently destroying us, Rooney helps us keep the ball. If we have any kind of foothold in the match, we can sub Niasse or Calvert-Lewin on for a midfielder, with Rooney dropping deeper. Or if we really need to hoof, we can sub off Rooney and a midfielder for Niasse + Calvert-Lewin.
Post by: Rodenplav64 on November 20, 2017, 10:34:36 PM
He’s the CARETAKER
More like the UNDERTAKER given how negative and awful his tactics are never mind his team selection and total inability to respond to what’s going on in the game.
I’m a bit concerned about him going back to the u23s based on what I’ve seen of him so far, no wonder it’s widely regarded that U23s football is a million miles away from premier league football.
Don't be a complete knobend just for the sake of it .
Post by: therealdunc on November 20, 2017, 10:36:58 PM
They have been dreadful
I’m sorry, why can’t people call a spade a spade and stop making excuses for poor old Unsie
Post by: gizzblue on November 20, 2017, 10:39:44 PM
Post by: Escla on November 20, 2017, 10:48:24 PM
Post by: boothill on November 20, 2017, 10:51:10 PM
Be honest about the performances under Unsworthhave you been there all season ? because perfomances has been absolute dreadful ALL season. do you think all it takes is a magic wand to heal it ? we are in a better positon now under unsworth than we were with koeman ,it seems you have your view of things and your view alone, which comes across as its personal rather than knowledge based, as you call him names and say you wouldnt put him back in the u23s, the team he won the title with, wow that beats me that
They have been dreadful
I’m sorry, why can’t people call a spade a spade and stop making excuses for poor old Unsie
Post by: Escla on November 20, 2017, 10:53:57 PM
Unsie is awful lads
Best to call a spade a spade and take the blue tinted specs off v
Ever stopped to wonder why it's only you that has negative karma ? There's a message in there somewhere.
Post by: boothill on November 20, 2017, 10:58:03 PM
I've had my doubts about Rhino and his starting squads ...he's still playing safe for an hour then going for the win ,still leaving out players who have made a difference Beni ,Vlasic ...but instead of appointing a wrong un now id still give him till at least Christmas ....and tell the squad that too .i dont know whats happened with vlasic, he certainly was one of the only bright spots this season, maybe not cutting it in training, beni is very good , but is this the only time he's been out of the squad since coming in ?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 20, 2017, 11:31:22 PM
We had 60% possesion against leicester, so that really counts for nothing does it really, cause if you dont score , then whats the use in it ?
You thought we had played well on Saturday? 70% is the number people were ruling dyche out for because that's what Liverpool had against Burnley. We couldn't get the ball off the bottom club and unlike us against Leicester they looked extremely threatening
Post by: boothill on November 20, 2017, 11:38:20 PM
You thought we had played well on Saturday? 70% is the number people were ruling dyche out for because that's what Liverpool had against Burnley. We couldn't get the ball off the bottom club and unlike us against Leicester they looked extremely threateningit was always going to be a backs to the wall job down there though,they are in front of their own fans, they are scrapping as much as us, they know we are lacking almost everything at the moment, their tales were up after the chelsea game, they are going to throw everything and the kitchen sink at us, to get point under them conditions was a result in my eyes.you can have all the possession you want, without end product its useless, surely
Post by: plumber on November 20, 2017, 11:52:29 PM
We've been extremely lucky to get 4 points in 5 games.
His picking starting 11 is baffling, tactics laughable, ignoring Vlasic just weird and our performances horrible.
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Everton committed 26 fouls during the Palace game, the most of any team in Europe’s top five leagues on Saturday.
Palace held 68.5% of possession.
Palace out-passed Everton 539-250.
Everton completed 65.6% of its passes.
26.4% of Everton’s passes were long balls.
Everton were forced into 34 tackles.
Sticking with Everton’s passing stats, the final data point of note was that Jordan Pickford was Everton’s top pass completion player against the Eagles.
All that against Crystal fucking Palace.
Yes, he is "one of us", "gets us" and is really a likeable person, but that doesn't mean much. I love my mum but don't want her to be Everton manager.
We need a proper manager asap. Dyche's Burnley is Barcelona compared to us. I can't see 3 worse sides than us at the moment.
Post by: hill135 on November 21, 2017, 12:37:22 AM
Post by: gizzblue on November 21, 2017, 12:41:14 AM
He's the guy that brought Beni in and gave him his first game, just didn't think he was right against Palace, he wa hardly playing safe giving Beni a start.They way our midfield was playing ..trying an untested youth was playing safe at the time 😅
Post by: Escla on November 21, 2017, 12:42:51 AM
They way out midfield was playing ..trying an untested youth was playing safe at the time 😅
That makes no sense to me as it is, maybe you could modify it.
Post by: brap2 on November 21, 2017, 12:55:04 AM
No doubt its not going great, but he inherited a broken team that previous manager was publicly calling shit.
He's been only stable influence at club in past couple of weeks, and fans are running him down because of fear.
If we treated young players like some fans have treated Unsworth, I wouldn't expect any to make it.
Whether he can do it or not, people are trying to make sure he can't, through fear or whatever.
Totally agree, it was unfair of Everton to put him in the position where we, then, us all think there’s a possibility of him taking over full time.
That isn’t, and shouldn’t have ever been a possibility right now. As you say, he was handed a broken team, bottom three, confidence fucked, fans up in arms - not a great time to blood a young manager. In fact it was basically horrible and could have really hurt his reputation.
And now he’s in the shitty situation where he knows he’s not really getting the job, and we’re getting further into the season and still leaking goals like a sieve while manager after manager slips away or turns us down.
It’s fucking shite, I’m sad for unsworth, I’m angry at the board, I’m sick to fucking death of talking about it, and yes, I amterrified of going down, not even to mention how bored I am of seeing us be so shite.
I honestly don’t understand why anyone would think unsworth is the answer, I mean he wouldn’t get an interview at any other prem club, but here we are.
I’ve said before it would be great if it worked out, it would be a dream. But saying oh it worked for Guardiola, Klopp, Tuchel, Zidane...right sure, it also worked for Beethoven when he played piano but it doesn’t mean I can? And I certainly shouldn’t try if it means Everton go down if I can’t string a fucking tune together.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 21, 2017, 01:00:45 AM
Those stats are fucking shocking
It's like Barcelona playing a side at the bottom. People are actually claiming it was a good performance too. We were dreadful. I don't see any sign of anything getting any better.
Post by: boothill on November 21, 2017, 01:15:56 AM
You thought we had played well on Saturday? 70% is the number people were ruling dyche out for because that's what Liverpool had against Burnley. We couldn't get the ball off the bottom club and unlike us against Leicester they looked extremely threateningNever said we have played well, if you show me where ive stated that i will gladly change it
Post by: therealdunc on November 21, 2017, 01:20:18 AM
It's like Barcelona playing a side at the bottom. People are actually claiming it was a good performance too. We were dreadful. I don't see any sign of anything getting any better.
Finally a post that puts honesty first, well said.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 21, 2017, 01:21:13 AM
Never said we have played well, if you show me where ive stated that i will gladly change it
Wasn't saying you did. The result was decent enough but there was nothing in that game that suggested unsworth was improving anything really. In fact it was shambolically bad. The stats are embarrassing. Palace are bottom and they played us off the park.
I like unsworth. I actually voted for him but watching us play I think we'll go down if he stays in charge. We were levels below the bottom side on Saturday. We need massive changes and I haven't seen them.
Post by: Ridge on November 21, 2017, 01:34:06 AM
Celtic or Olympiakos a thousand times over, obviously.
If you can tell me another manager who’s won something at u-21/23 level I’ll be blown away. Nobody gives a shit.
It’s like if a striker scores at youth level - great, nice to hear, good sign certainly but the minute he’s got his big boy pants on all that evaporates and it’s time to prove yourself for real.
Guardiola won 4th Division with Barcelona B in 2008 - Won treble with Barcelona 2009
Zidane won Segunda Division B in 2016 - Took over halfway through season, won CL, then League and CL next season.
Tuchel won U19 Championship with Mainz - Finished 9th and then 5th with Mainz in Bundesliga
Howe was a youth coach at Bournemouth before taking over in 2009, 17 points adrift, got them safe and finished 2nd next season.
Post by: Rodenplav64 on November 21, 2017, 02:26:30 AM
Finally a post that puts honesty first, well said.
But it isn't honest is it . It is a fucking exaggeration because Koeman has left us equal to Palace and that was plain for all to see .
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 21, 2017, 02:42:32 AM
But it isn't honest is it . It is a fucking exaggeration because Koeman has left us equal to Palace and that was plain for all to see .
Equal to palace? I'd be interested to see the stats of our game against the stats of the Barca game or the city game. We got a draw but we didn't look equal to palace in the slightest
I think people are in utte denial at the moment. Transition suggests it's changing. It's not. It's dreadful week in and week out and unless someone major changes it's not we could go down it's we probably will. We've placed 12 games and not been comfortably the better side in a half yet
Post by: Rodenplav64 on November 21, 2017, 04:12:55 AM
Equal to palace? I'd be interested to see the stats of our game against the stats of the Barca game or the city game. We got a draw but we didn't look equal to palace in the slightest
I think people are in utte denial at the moment. Transition suggests it's changing. It's not. It's dreadful week in and week out and unless someone major changes it's not we could go down it's we probably will. We've placed 12 games and not been comfortably the better side in a half yet
No one is in denial and I wasn't in denial over Koeman either . But we won't go down as their is some utter shite in and around us .
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 21, 2017, 04:15:45 AM
No one is in denial and I wasn't in denial over Koeman either . But we won't go down as their is some utter shite in and around us .
We are utter shite. 13 games in and we haven't been really good in a single half of football.
Post by: boothill on November 21, 2017, 04:28:22 AM
We are utter shite. 13 games in and we haven't been really good in a single half of football.How long have you been following the blues ? Just that i used to stand in the enclosure in thd 80s with a group of lads from burnley
Post by: Ell Capitan on November 21, 2017, 04:30:03 AM
We are utter shite. 13 games in and we haven't been really good in a single half of football.
We're not one of those easy on the eye football teams though, and haven't been for a while.
I'd say that last year we mostly looked shit, but were effective in getting results for much of the season
Yes we've been horrible to watch this season but that doesn't automatically mean you will or deserve to lose every game you play.
It's not a recipe for a top 6 challenge, but equally we can play horrible, depressing long ball incohesive shite football and still comfortably avoid relegation.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 21, 2017, 12:40:32 PM
We're not one of those easy on the eye football teams though, and haven't been for a while.
I'd say that last year we mostly looked shit, but were effective in getting results for much of the season
Yes we've been horrible to watch this season but that doesn't automatically mean you will or deserve to lose every game you play.
It's not a recipe for a top 6 challenge, but equally we can play horrible, depressing long ball incohesive shite football and still comfortably avoid relegation.
I agree to a point but we look dreadful at the back too. It's not the style of football it's the quality. I think we are in a lot more trouble than most realise. We are bad rather than not entertaining
Post by: ally2 on November 21, 2017, 01:25:34 PM
Post by: Ramjam on November 21, 2017, 02:25:43 PM
Only 6 points off 8th remember?
That’s refreshing but we can’t afford to fall any further behind as we may be only 6 points off 8th the reality is we are only 3 points above the relegation zone
Post by: ally2 on November 21, 2017, 05:01:09 PM
That's refreshing but we can't afford to fall any further behind as we may be only 6 points off 8th the reality is we are only 3 points above the relegation zone
Yes I agree. Just thought that stat of 4 points off 8th was a bit daft
Post by: blargins on November 21, 2017, 05:07:08 PM
Just because its worked for others doesnt mean thats a universal solution, I think you have to look at every case individually, in this instance Unsworth has shown little to evidence that hes the right person IMO. I think he gets a little lost, were making loads of subs at half time, or not far into the second half, formations are changing all the time. You could look at as adapting or is it cause he got it woefully wrong in the first place?In fairness, Koeman made many subs at half time too.
Post by: Rodenplav64 on November 21, 2017, 05:13:04 PM
I agree to a point but we look dreadful at the back too. It's not the style of football it's the quality. I think we are in a lot more trouble than most realise. We are bad rather than not entertaining
I don't disagree with what you say . However , Unsworth started with a hopelessly disjointed team with zero confidence , almost certainly out of Europe and absolutely no style of play . We had to start picking up points and 4 out of a possible 9 is better than the probable zero we would have under Koeman . Confidence is fragile and I agree the way Pickford , Jags and Keane are playing we could so easily ( and maybe should have ) lost our last 2 league games . But we haven't and that transfers some pressure onto the teams around us and 1 point can so easily become 3 against the likes of WBA , Swansea or any other team around us whose fans are getting on the teams back . Till the board make a decision the fans owe it to the team to get behind them and lift performances instead of righting us off .
Post by: MrWhite on November 21, 2017, 07:48:36 PM
I don't disagree with what you say . However , Unsworth started with a hopelessly disjointed team with zero confidence , almost certainly out of Europe and absolutely no style of play . We had to start picking up points and 4 out of a possible 9 is better than the probable zero we would have under Koeman . Confidence is fragile and I agree the way Pickford , Jags and Keane are playing we could so easily ( and maybe should have ) lost our last 2 league games . But we haven't and that transfers some pressure onto the teams around us and 1 point can so easily become 3 against the likes of WBA , Swansea or any other team around us whose fans are getting on the teams back . Till the board make a decision the fans owe it to the team to get behind them and lift performances instead of righting us off .
Based on 4 points out of 9, that hit rate will leave us on 46 points and surely safe. So while Rhino hasn't magically fixed us, nor is our form with him that bad and certain to get us relegated. And that ignores the prospect of us buying players in January.
It won't be a fun season to watch (barring an FA Cup miracle) but that has been a given for a couple of months anyway.
Post by: everton1952 on November 21, 2017, 08:21:06 PM
Post by: Normm on November 21, 2017, 09:23:48 PM
He was not responsible for summer signings and the discordant performances he inherited just three weeks ago. Consider the last matches against good opposition away from home, with Crystal Palace also now showing good performances under Hodgeson. Only ONE fixture at home - that Everton won in spectacular fashion after an epic second half performance. Keep a perspective on what he has had to face and give the man the chance to show his mettle!
Next match also away ... this has been a really difficult run of games and no manager would have sorted it out in such a short space of time. He needs the board's backing - and also the fans for all his work. There are no magic managers ready to wave a magic wand. He needs the backing of the board right now ...otherwise they undermine his position with the staff and players.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 21, 2017, 09:42:38 PM
Unsworth is the best man for the job by far.
He was not responsible for summer signings and the discordant performances he inherited just three weeks ago. Consider the last matches against good opposition away from home, with Crystal Palace also now showing good performances under Hodgeson. Only ONE fixture at home - that Everton won in spectacular fashion after an epic second half performance. Keep a perspective on what he has had to face and give the man the chance to show his mettle!
Next match also away ... this has been a really difficult run of games and no manager would have sorted it out in such a short space of time. He needs the board's backing - and also the fans for all his work. There are no magic managers ready to wave a magic wand. He needs the backing of the board right now ...otherwise they undermine his position with the staff and players.
I think you're delusional. Spectacular implies brilliance. The game was exciting and it was a good comeback but we got extremely lucky. If their keeper doesn't get injured we get beat comfortably in all probability. If they score their penalty we definitely don't win
Also palace are a good team now? Based on what? They dominated us too/ the stats are truly horrible. The sort of numbers Barca rack up in terms of passing and possession.
The only game we played well in was the Chelsea game. I'm really not sure what you're seeing in them performances which shows us improving or unsworth winning any tactical battles
Post by: gizzblue on November 21, 2017, 10:27:04 PM
Clearly the board are not giving Unsie the job or why would they keep him and everyone waiting for so long? Pulis would make more sense than Unsworth. There is no comparison in terms of know how and experience. I don't want Pulis for obvious reasons, but if he and Unsie were the only candidates on the planet, then Pulis gets it. Horrible prospect for sure but I am certain neither are in the running anyway.Why would Pulis make more sense 2 wins in 22 versus Rhino's 2 wins in what six matches .
Post by: Rodenplav64 on November 21, 2017, 10:42:26 PM
I think you're delusional. Spectacular implies brilliance. The game was exciting and it was a good comeback but we got extremely lucky. If their keeper doesn't get injured we get beat comfortably in all probability. If they score their penalty we definitely don't win
Also palace are a good team now? Based on what? They dominated us too/ the stats are truly horrible. The sort of numbers Barca rack up in terms of passing and possession.
The only game we played well in was the Chelsea game. I'm really not sure what you're seeing in them performances which shows us improving or unsworth winning any tactical battles
Why the fuck you keep banging on about Barcelona style possession I just don't know . I do know they beat Chelsea , drew with WHU and lost by the odd goal away at Spurs and Newcastle . Woy has got them organised but when you start getting bonus points for possession it may become relevant .
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 21, 2017, 10:45:09 PM
Why the fuck you keep banging on about Barcelona style possession I just don't know . I do know they beat Chelsea , drew with WHU and lost by the odd goal away at Spurs and Newcastle . Woy has got them organised but when you start getting bonus points for possession it may become relevant .
My point is they were better than us by some way. By all means tell me what you saw in that game that suggests unsworth is getting it right. We were crap and got lucky.
Post by: Rodenplav64 on November 21, 2017, 11:01:25 PM
My point is they were better than us by some way. By all means tell me what you saw in that game that suggests unsworth is getting it right. We were crap and got lucky.
He has got 4 points and given the state we are in I don't care how we get them . Luck by the way is exactly what we need at the minute .Had we appointed anyone else and they had got the same results I bet you would be saying give him time .
Post by: Normm on November 21, 2017, 11:42:30 PM
I think you're delusional. Spectacular implies brilliance. The game was exciting and it was a good comeback but we got extremely lucky. If their keeper doesn't get injured we get beat comfortably in all probability. If they score their penalty we definitely don't win
Also palace are a good team now? Based on what? They dominated us too/ the stats are truly horrible. The sort of numbers Barca rack up in terms of passing and possession.
The only game we played well in was the Chelsea game. I'm really not sure what you're seeing in them performances which shows us improving or unsworth winning any tactical battles
That's funny. lolol You seem to me like a Joey Barton tribute act. If you want to see delusional, look in a mirror. "If they score their penalty we definitely don't win." - Really! What amazing insight you have. Barca? - You liken Palace to Barca and call me delusional? shakeyheadman- Thanks for the laugh!
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 21, 2017, 11:44:48 PM
He has got 4 points and given the state we are in I don't care how we get them . Luck by the way is exactly what we need at the minute .Had we appointed anyone else and they had got the same results I bet you would be saying give him time .
Of course and I'm delighted with the 4 points. Just not sure the signs are good in terms of the team getting any better
Had we appointed someone we'd had no option but to give them time. Letting it drag on with unsworth then giving it someone else just wastes a lot of time though
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 21, 2017, 11:49:30 PM
That's funny. lolol You seem to me like a Joey Barton tribute act. If you want to see delusional, look in a mirror. "If they score their penalty we definitely don't win." - Really! What amazing insight you have. Barca? - You liken Palace to Barca and call me delusional? shakeyheadman- Thanks for the laugh!
Stick Barca's stats up for the weekend alongside palace's. I've not seen them but I'd imagine they are quite similar in a lot of respects. I'm not actually likening them to Barca though I'm saying we were that bad they completely dominated the game. If I actually thought palace were similar to Barcelona it wouldn't be much of a problem that they outplayed us
As for a Joey Barton tribute act? How do? Because I don't think David unsworth has improved us? I haven't personally insulted him. Merely said the performances have been generally quite poor and Saturday was dreadful. There's a grey area between the idiot who thinks he's the best option by a distance (that's you) and the idiot who thinks he's too fat to manage (that's Barton)
Post by: Normm on November 22, 2017, 12:12:03 AM
There's a grey area between the idiot who thinks he's the best option by a distance (that's you) and the idiot who thinks he's too fat to manage (that's Barton)
If you think that's clever, there's a grey area missing between your ears. Don't begin a reply with an insult. This is meant to be debate.
Peace!
Post by: Rodenplav64 on November 22, 2017, 12:39:47 AM
Of course and I'm delighted with the 4 points. Just not sure the signs are good in terms of the team getting any better
Had we appointed someone we'd had no option but to give them time. Letting it drag on with unsworth then giving it someone else just wastes a lot of time though
If the choices are Allardyce or Dyche because Watford won't let Silva ( who I don't fancy ) talk to us then I say he is the best option .Moshiri and Kenwright obviously have no idea who to appoint and as a club since Kendall we have looked no further than Joe Royle ( ala Unsworth )Southampton , Wigan , Preston and Norwich for our Managers . That being as high as we aim I suppose we will just blow a load of compensation Watfords way . How fucking depressing is that for a club supposedly trying to break the top 4 .
Post by: Normm on November 22, 2017, 12:44:47 AM
the stats are truly horrible. The sort of numbers Barca rack up in terms of passing and possession.
Bournemouth 4-0 Huddersfield Town
Possession - Bourne' 31% / Hudd' 69%
Just saying ...
Post by: Rodenplav64 on November 22, 2017, 12:49:38 AM
Bournemouth 4-0 Huddersfield TownBarcelona like possession from Huddersfield there .
Possession - Bourne' 31% / Hudd' 69%
Just saying ...
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 22, 2017, 12:50:45 AM
If you think that's clever, there's a grey area missing between your ears. Don't begin a reply with an insult. This is meant to be debate.
Peace!
You did accuse me of being as offensive about unsworth as Barton was.
I really wanted him to work out I just don't see it as getting any better. Sorry about the insult xx
Bournemouth 4-0 Huddersfield Town
Possession - Bourne' 31% / Hudd' 69%
Just saying ...
Seriously? Didn't see that 1 coming. Obviously the stats never tell the whole story but we were pretty bad.
I just want us to outplay someone. Doesn't have to be brilliant just decent. That's the progress I'm looking for. We delighted after the Chelsea game but we've been nowhere near them levels since
Post by: plumber on November 22, 2017, 12:59:58 AM
Bournemouth 4-0 Huddersfield Town
Possession - Bourne' 31% / Hudd' 69%
Just saying ...
Have you watched the game against Palace?
It's not only the stats were shocking. The whole performance was painful to watch. It was fifth game under Unsworth and probably the worst. There's no improvement and no sign of it, quite the opposite. There's a real threat of getting relegated if this circus continues. 4 points out of 6 argument is plain silly. We were unbelievably lucky but you can't count on luck long term.
Post by: GLewis on November 22, 2017, 01:03:51 AM
Having 30 odd % implies playing on the break etc.
We had the second goal as the only example of a chance from this approach.
You can’t say that was successful vs bottom of the league as had we not got the fortunate penalty, we’d have lost.
Post by: Normm on November 22, 2017, 01:34:45 AM
Sorry about the insult xx
Seriously? Didn't see that 1 coming. Obviously the stats never tell the whole story but we were pretty bad.
Accepted, same here, but no need for xx.
We were terrible, but I see the positives ...not many, I admit.
Post by: brap2 on November 22, 2017, 04:50:30 AM
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Post by: Rodenplav64 on November 22, 2017, 03:34:48 PM
https://twitter.com/footballfactman/status/933076851215491072 (https://twitter.com/footballfactman/status/933076851215491072)
We lack discipline in the middle . Gana tries to do everything but then leaves massive gaps where I sometimes wonder if we have set out to play with 1 in the middle . Beni has looked the most disciplined so far .
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on November 22, 2017, 10:03:25 PM
Post by: D15TIN on November 22, 2017, 10:11:17 PM
Have you watched the game against Palace?Would we have taken those 4 points under koeman? Not a chance. The players have shown spirit to come back and get those results. He's come in to a total mess, he hasn't had a full week with the squad to prepare for games, it's been interrupted by European games and international breaks, I think he's done ok and got some results. You're mad if you think someone is going to come in and fix that defence immediately. He's had 1 home game and won it. The rest have been mostly tough away games to Chelsea, lyon, Leicester and an improving palace.
It's not only the stats were shocking. The whole performance was painful to watch. It was fifth game under Unsworth and probably the worst. There's no improvement and no sign of it, quite the opposite. There's a real threat of getting relegated if this circus continues. 4 points out of 6 argument is plain silly. We were unbelievably lucky but you can't count on luck long term.
Post by: everton1952 on November 22, 2017, 10:25:16 PM
Beni Baningime has looked head and shoulders above every other defensive mid this season. He deserves a start ahead of all of them imo. He looks the real deal.Disagree entirely. He shone briefly like all the kids have done and will get his opportunity eventually. Head and shoulders over the other not very good performers? Deffo No.
Post by: Evertonian in NC on November 22, 2017, 10:33:11 PM
Beni Baningime has looked head and shoulders above every other defensive mid this season. He deserves a start ahead of all of them imo. He looks the real deal.
abso-fucking-lutely. The middle of the pitch was a shambles without him last weekend.
Post by: therealdunc on November 22, 2017, 11:34:47 PM
abso-fucking-lutely. The middle of the pitch was a shambles without him last weekend.
It was a shambles with him as well vs Chelsea reserves
The kid needs time, to say he was head and shoulders ahead of his team mates is dillusonal.
Hopefully he makes it as a premier league player
Post by: gizzblue on November 23, 2017, 01:02:03 AM
It was a shambles with him as well vs Chelsea reservesSee some still spouting Chelsea reserves shite to add to their vendetta...is a constant giggle .👏👏.about four were reserves ...that half the prem can't afford but what ever makes your argument coherent. 👍
The kid needs time, to say he was head and shoulders ahead of his team mates is dillusonal.
Hopefully he makes it as a premier league player
Post by: ally2 on November 23, 2017, 01:07:30 AM
The players have shown spirit to come back and get those results.
Hahahahaha OK
Post by: Shogun on November 23, 2017, 01:17:15 AM
Yes I agree. Just thought that stat of 4 points off 8th was a bit daft
Can only assume you missed the point of that post I made about only being a small number of points away from 8th.
In no way shape or form was it a way of saying that we were going to finish there, it was to show that there is so much left of the season that despite being miles off that position, it is actually only two games worth of the correct results.
That is why it was silly that people were calling us relegation contenders in November. If we’re 15th in February/March then it’s a different story.
Post by: plumber on November 23, 2017, 03:40:37 PM
Would we have taken those 4 points under koeman? Not a chance. The players have shown spirit to come back and get those results. He's come in to a total mess, he hasn't had a full week with the squad to prepare for games, it's been interrupted by European games and international breaks, I think he's done ok and got some results. You're mad if you think someone is going to come in and fix that defence immediately. He's had 1 home game and won it. The rest have been mostly tough away games to Chelsea, lyon, Leicester and an improving palace.
You must be joking. Gifts from the ref, Speroni and Cleverley gave us those results. Good luck to you if you hope performances like that will get us results long term.
I didn'‘t think he would fix the mess (and that's why I wasn't overly enthusiastic about sacking Koeman). It was a bit naive to hope that U23 coach would be better than the manager who had finished 7th, 6th and 7th in his 3 years in the prem. You'll never know till you try though. He tried and it's obvious he‘s just not ready. Game against Chelsea was his best, from then we've been degrading with every game.
I feel for Rhino. He was put on the spot by the board. And knowing that he is still in charge just because those mugs can't sort out the replacement doesn't help him.
Post by: Waltzer on November 23, 2017, 04:17:40 PM
I feel for Rhino. He was put on the spot by the board. And knowing that he is still in charge just because those mugs can't sort out the replacement doesn't help him.
He wasnt walking into a particularly strong setup but what has happened has given him no chance, its clear people dont want him to get the job and players must no this, it'll be hard for Unsie to stamp his authority or his ideas when everyone knows its irrelevant as he wont be around for long. He wasnt the answer and isnt good enough but hes been given little to no chance to prove anyone wrong
Post by: Rodenplav64 on November 23, 2017, 04:57:37 PM
You must be joking. Gifts from the ref, Speroni and Cleverley gave us those results. Good luck to you if you hope performances like that will get us results long term.
I didn'‘t think he would fix the mess (and that's why I wasn't overly enthusiastic about sacking Koeman). It was a bit naive to hope that U23 coach would be better than the manager who had finished 7th, 6th and 7th in his 3 years in the prem. You'll never know till you try though. He tried and it's obvious he‘s just not ready. Game against Chelsea was his best, from then we've been degrading with every game.
I feel for Rhino. He was put on the spot by the board. And knowing that he is still in charge just because those mugs can't sort out the replacement doesn't help him.
Do yourself a favour and look at Koemans results as a Manager . He has long losing streaks and slow starts to the season everywhere but in Holland . You really need to compare that to Unsworths 5 games on which you seem to be judging him. I understand you don't want him as Manager but talking shite doesn't help your argument . Koeman was/is an awful Manager .
Post by: ally2 on November 23, 2017, 05:17:01 PM
Post by: mikey_blue on November 23, 2017, 05:33:10 PM
This phase I think puts Unsworth in a strange position. He's been in charge of the first team long enough that if he were to go back now to U23s then it would seem like a demotion. Plus he's already won whatever he can win at that level. Obviously it doesn't make his position at U23 untenable, but if he has managerial aspirations then I'd say he has to go within the next 6-12 months.
He's obviously got talent as a manager, and the players seem to like him. He should go abroad or drop down to the lower leagues and get some proper experience. Keep tabs on him and bring him back if/ when he's ready for a top job.
Post by: plumber on November 23, 2017, 06:45:17 PM
Do yourself a favour and look at Koemans results as a Manager . He has long losing streaks and slow starts to the season everywhere but in Holland . You really need to compare that to Unsworths 5 games on which you seem to be judging him. I understand you don't want him as Manager but talking shite doesn't help your argument . Koeman was/is an awful Manager .
It‘s you who's talking shite mate.
Koeman is not an "awful manager", but he underperformed badly this season and nobody can complain about his dismissal. The problem is not that he was sacked but that he was sacked without a plan. Now we are in deeper shit than a month ago and I‘m blaming Moshiri and Kenwright for that, not Unsworth. He‘s just a victim of their amateurish actions. That doesn't mean he‘s capable to manage Everton though.
Post by: gizzblue on November 23, 2017, 08:01:31 PM
It"s you who's talking shite mate.Surely deeper shit would be the same points RK left us with after the six games or so.
Koeman is not an "awful manager", but he underperformed badly this season and nobody can complain about his dismissal. The problem is not that he was sacked but that he was sacked without a plan. Now we are in deeper shit than a month ago and I"m blaming Moshiri and Kenwright for that, not Unsworth. He"s just a victim of their amateurish actions. That doesn't mean he"s capable to manage Everton though.
The team is in a better place even if they're not yet completely showing it on the pitch ......we've all worked with a cunt ...how much nicer was work on that cunts day off .....that's how the dressing room should still be feeling ...despite the limbo .
Fuck Koeman it's his inept shite that got us here .
Post by: Rodenplav64 on November 23, 2017, 08:17:04 PM
It‘s you who's talking shite mate.
Koeman is not an "awful manager", but he underperformed badly this season and nobody can complain about his dismissal. The problem is not that he was sacked but that he was sacked without a plan. Now we are in deeper shit than a month ago and I‘m blaming Moshiri and Kenwright for that, not Unsworth. He‘s just a victim of their amateurish actions. That doesn't mean he‘s capable to manage Everton though.
The reaction after the Arsenal game left them with no choice . Lost the fans and the players and that's a good Manager . Lets see where he goes from here .
Post by: D15TIN on November 23, 2017, 08:27:30 PM
You must be joking. Gifts from the ref, Speroni and Cleverley gave us those results. Good luck to you if you hope performances like that will get us results long term.The 5 goals in the 2 games not give us the results then no? No manager is coming in to this team and automatically getting quality performances out of them.
I didn'‘t think he would fix the mess (and that's why I wasn't overly enthusiastic about sacking Koeman). It was a bit naive to hope that U23 coach would be better than the manager who had finished 7th, 6th and 7th in his 3 years in the prem. You'll never know till you try though. He tried and it's obvious he‘s just not ready. Game against Chelsea was his best, from then we've been degrading with every game.
I feel for Rhino. He was put on the spot by the board. And knowing that he is still in charge just because those mugs can't sort out the replacement doesn't help him.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 23, 2017, 08:33:00 PM
The 5 goals in the 2 games not give us the results then no? No manager is coming in to this team and automatically getting quality performances out of them.
The truth is though they were pretty inept performances.
Post by: D15TIN on November 23, 2017, 08:36:53 PM
The truth is though they were pretty inept performances.In total agreement mate, they fought for him though and got results - we lose both under Koeman, 100%
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 23, 2017, 08:47:17 PM
In total agreement mate, they fought for him though and got results - we lose both under Koeman, 100%
Maybe but I'm not sure it's a sign that unsworth is the right man for the job
Post by: D15TIN on November 23, 2017, 08:49:06 PM
Maybe but I'm not sure it's a sign that unsworth is the right man for the jobIm not saying he is, I think he could be short term. People slagging him off saying hes not good enough and all this, don't know what they expected from him so quickly.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 23, 2017, 09:14:10 PM
Im not saying he is, I think he could be short term. People slagging him off saying hes not good enough and all this, don't know what they expected from him so quickly.
I know results have got better but I do also think that the performances have gotten worse. If the game had been in the opposite order I'd argue there were good signs
We just need a performance. Nothing spectacular. Just to look relatively solid and equal to the side we are playing. As it is whatever results we get are really just down to luck. We aren't matching anyone
Post by: TheRam on November 24, 2017, 03:54:27 AM
Some achievement that
Post by: Martip on November 24, 2017, 03:57:16 AM
He's made us worse.He needs to fuck off back to the u23s. Awful
Some achievement that
Post by: plumber on November 24, 2017, 03:57:55 AM
Post by: Martip on November 24, 2017, 03:58:58 AM
Someone still thinks he needs more time?Yeah in the u23s
Post by: School of Science on November 24, 2017, 03:59:25 AM
Someone still thinks he needs more time?
Yes in charge of the U23's.
Post by: TheTone on November 24, 2017, 03:59:42 AM
Someone still thinks he needs more time?
no manager could improve that shower of shite
Post by: Ridge on November 24, 2017, 04:00:26 AM
No manager is going to get team playing, while board is not backing.
Post by: Macca77 on November 24, 2017, 04:00:39 AM
Post by: Cozzie on November 24, 2017, 04:00:46 AM
Caretaker manager yes, but to seriously consider a man with absolutely ZERO experience at the highest level to sort out a team quite possibly in the biggest mess it has ever been in was ridiculous.
I love the guy but for the love of all things Yellow don't give him the job permanently.
Post by: Ih8redshite on November 24, 2017, 04:01:57 AM
Post by: BlueBeagle on November 24, 2017, 04:02:35 AM
Post by: Martip on November 24, 2017, 04:03:27 AM
We're a hell of a lot worse now than when he took overI'd say equally as shit.
Post by: Major Clanger on November 24, 2017, 04:03:47 AM
He was shafted, but yeah, clearly that most the players aren't bothered.
No manager is going to get team playing, while board is not backing.
It doesn't matter now why he couldn't stamp his authority on the team, this isn't going to work out.
We need someone else in and soon. Preferably two weeks ago.
Post by: Martip on November 24, 2017, 04:06:14 AM
It doesn't matter now why he couldn't stamp his authority on the team, this isn't going to work out.Why the he'll do we not have a manager in yet. Fooking clueless top to bottom.
We need someone else in and soon. Preferably two weeks ago.
Post by: Ridge on November 24, 2017, 04:07:45 AM
It doesn't matter now why he couldn't stamp his authority on the team, this isn't going to work out.
We need someone else in and soon. Preferably two weeks ago.
Yep, we've screwed his opportunity, but it's gone.
Post by: Major Clanger on November 24, 2017, 04:09:11 AM
Why the he'll do we not have a manager in yet. Fooking clueless top to bottom.
But mostly at the top. Only they have the power to fix this.
Post by: toffee_scot on November 24, 2017, 04:11:24 AM
Post by: Martip on November 24, 2017, 04:13:18 AM
But mostly at the top. Only they have the power to fix this.Bill and Ben the flowerpot men really have no clue what they are doing. How the hell moshri made his money I'll never know as his decision making for everton has been so bad.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 24, 2017, 04:13:24 AM
The performances under Unsworth have been getting worse and worse with every game that has passed. The job is far too big for him.
We were quite good against Chelsea. Everyone was hopeful. Palace and this have been more inept than the Arsenal game by some distance
Post by: everton1952 on November 24, 2017, 04:19:11 AM
Post by: Alanvideo on November 24, 2017, 04:22:13 AM
The doom mongers are in full throat. I can't find it in me to say anything much anymore, except we have been here before and not that many years ago. Nobody on the planet (except a liar) saw this collapse coming...........can't give you a like ......but well put.
Post by: Ih8redshite on November 24, 2017, 04:23:27 AM
We were quite good against Chelsea. Everyone was hopeful. Palace and this have been more inept than the Arsenal game by some distance
Chelsea had a second tier team out. We turned up second half as per, which seems to be deep rooted that we only turn up for half the game. More importantly we where beaten. How ironic it is that we now realise how shit we are, the only team we have beat from being 2-0 down is Watford and now we are after there manager, the mind doesn’t just boggle at our club, I’m just lost for words
Post by: Ih8redshite on November 24, 2017, 04:28:01 AM
The doom mongers are in full throat. I can't find it in me to say anything much anymore, except we have been here before and not that many years ago. Nobody on the planet (except a liar) saw this collapse coming.
Doom mongers??? Surely you cannot sugar coat the situation we are in. If you can take any positives from the last few months please explain. We are just stating reality, cunts like you will sit there sucking the shit outta Kenwrights arse, and sucking off unsy, coz they are blues, while our club is going down! Wake the fuck up, nothing wrong with telling it how it is, we are fucked!!
Post by: Lxxx on November 24, 2017, 04:29:10 AM
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Post by: Ridge on November 24, 2017, 04:35:07 AM
Post by: Macca77 on November 24, 2017, 04:36:31 AM
https://twitter.com/Everton/status/933824832990531584
Can he leave himself out? Please someone make it so
Post by: Ih8redshite on November 24, 2017, 04:36:34 AM
The doom mongers are in full throat. I can't find it in me to say anything much anymore, except we have been here before and not that many years ago. Nobody on the planet (except a liar) saw this collapse coming.Who gives a fuck whether anyone could see it coming. We are the supporters so I’d say from the point of view of an outsider which is what we are, we all knew Lukaku was going and surely the people on the inside knew the weaknesses, if they didn’t, then they are incompetent and if they did, which we have to presume they did, why the fuck wasn’t it addressed when the transfer window was open. So whether we seen it or not, or even lied and said we did when we didn’t, doesn’t really matter an ounce of shit.
Post by: Ridge on November 24, 2017, 04:37:51 AM
Doesn't matter how good a manager he is, players downed tools because they don;t expect him to be there for long.
Post by: GLewis on November 24, 2017, 04:41:15 AM
Then the constant changing of formation, both at the start of matches and then within them isn’t providing any continuity.
We should have been looking to be solid in every game right until the end.
If that meant some boring 0-0s so be it; at least we’d have confidence that we’d sorted the defence.
The naive belief that you can just have more of a go at this level, especially when you’re at rock bottom confidence wise as it is, has stopped us building anything remotely positive.
Post by: Lxxx on November 24, 2017, 04:41:48 AM
No manager has made a success of a job, without any clarity on their position, while board chase every option around.
Doesn't matter how good a manager he is, players downed tools because they don;t expect him to be there for long.
I fuckin hate this spineless bunch of twats we've collected here. Biggest wage bill in our history and none of them can be arsed being there.
Post by: Macca77 on November 24, 2017, 04:45:04 AM
Post by: Ridge on November 24, 2017, 04:45:26 AM
There have been some promising signs but then he’s undermined them with “macho” substations or tweaks.
Then the constant changing of formation, both at the start of matches and then within them isn’t providing any continuity.
We should have been looking to be solid in every game right until the end.
If that meant some boring 0-0s so be it; at least we’d have confidence that we’d sorted the defence.
The naive belief that you can just have more of a go at this level, especially when you’re at rock bottom confidence wise as it is, has stopped us building anything remotely positive.
But he's trying to win the job as he's going from game to game.
He couldn't afford to be too negative, because it's clear that board didn't fancy him, as they've avoided giving him the job at every opportunity.
Post by: Lxxx on November 24, 2017, 04:47:00 AM
But he's trying to win the job as he's going from game to game.
He couldn't afford to be too negative, because it's clear that board didn't fancy him, as they've avoided giving him the job at every opportunity.
True. He also didn't know how long he would have so every game would be an audition. Three 0-0 draws on the bounce might have steadied the ship but it wouldn't have endeared him to Moshiri.
Post by: bluenuck on November 24, 2017, 04:49:51 AM
Post by: Macca77 on November 24, 2017, 04:51:06 AM
Post by: Ridge on November 24, 2017, 04:51:26 AM
We're hiring Allardyce, aren't we?
He ruled himself out and I think the board are aware he was hugely unpopular after they talked to him.
Post by: ally2 on November 24, 2017, 04:51:37 AM
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Post by: Ridge on November 24, 2017, 04:56:26 AM
Post by: Martip on November 24, 2017, 05:01:25 AM
https://twitter.com/Everton/status/933831082268602368He talks a great game but its just not happening...
Post by: Ridge on November 24, 2017, 05:03:56 AM
As a player, why would you bother or put in a shift, he's not likely to be long term and players have known that since international break.
Post by: Lxxx on November 24, 2017, 05:08:25 AM
He helped out the club he loves who were in a pickle and he’s in danger of damaging his long term career prospects because of it.
Post by: bogie on November 24, 2017, 05:19:15 AM
not let Ashley Williams near an Everton shirt ever again not even with the under 23 team
Post by: ally2 on November 24, 2017, 05:40:06 AM
Post by: Ridge on November 24, 2017, 05:54:02 AM
I didn't think tonight was really about players being particularly gutless. The team set up was not right. There was no cohesion in pressing and the personnel didn't suit the shape.
It was a dead rubber, he gave a chance to all the misfits and youngsters to give them a chance.
We were dead in Europa when Koeman left, I've no idea why people expected us to beat Lyon or put out the best team tonight.
Post by: sam of the south on November 24, 2017, 05:54:53 AM
What was he thinking bringing Feeney on.
Exactly, I said this at the time.
Lookman, Vlasic, and DCL absolutely, but not an 18 year-old CB coming on for his debut at RB against a useful side that already had their tails up.
Post by: therealdunc on November 24, 2017, 06:00:07 AM
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on November 24, 2017, 06:01:41 AM
Post by: gizzblue on November 24, 2017, 06:04:06 AM
Still asked for his everton pjs on though 😅.
Post by: kramer0 on November 24, 2017, 06:06:42 AM
Exactly, I said this at the time.
Lookman, Vlasic, and DCL absolutely, but not an 18 year-old CB coming on for his debut at RB against a useful side that already had their tails up.
It was even worse. He switched to a back three and moved Davies out to wing back.
That’s a back three, comprised of defenders who don’t pass well, with one of our few midfielders with an eye for a through ball moving outside.
For a team that struggles badly at passing the ball.
Post by: Ridge on November 24, 2017, 06:14:10 AM
Williams looked like he was going to hang up his boots and Keane was gifting chances.
It obviously didn't help the lad or others, but at least the younger players were trying.
Post by: GLewis on November 24, 2017, 06:56:25 AM
But he's trying to win the job as he's going from game to game.
He couldn't afford to be too negative, because it's clear that board didn't fancy him, as they've avoided giving him the job at every opportunity.
Well it would have been more endearing than 1-2; 0-2; 0-3 ;)
It just seems like, it is as feared, that inexperienced mistakes are being highlighted at this level.
Harsh on him yes, but he stated he wanted the job so that’s what it’s like at this level, intense scrutiny all the time.
We must have changed formation 3/4 times in the second half alone tonight, that’s very hard to keep up with even if you’re full of confidence. And we’ve yet to see the best set up / mix of styles in the starting xi (Chelsea away) repeated, which is a bit odd.
And I don’t buy that the players aren’t trying; even tonight we could have equalised, before we collapsed, with Keane’s header but it was the Feeney sub that really let the wheels come off.
Looking at the pictures from training it appears that the players like his sessions but that could simply mean that he’s a coach rather than a manager.
Post by: blueToffee on November 24, 2017, 08:38:18 AM
Well it would have been more endearing than 1-2; 0-2; 0-3 ;)
It just seems like, it is as feared, that inexperienced mistakes are being highlighted at this level.
Harsh on him yes, but he stated he wanted the job so that’s what it’s like at this level, intense scrutiny all the time.
We must have changed formation 3/4 times in the second half alone tonight, that’s very hard to keep up with even if you’re full of confidence. And we’ve yet to see the best set up / mix of styles in the starting xi (Chelsea away) repeated, which is a bit odd.
And I don’t buy that the players aren’t trying; even tonight we could have equalised, before we collapsed, with Keane’s header but it was the Feeney sub that really let the wheels come off.
Looking at the pictures from training it appears that the players like his sessions but that could simply mean that he’s a coach rather than a manager.
Missed the second half of this, and most of the first half actually. What happened with e Feeney sub? Why was he put on at RB? Or was that the cause of the goals..?
Post by: Ridge on November 24, 2017, 08:38:37 AM
Well it would have been more endearing than 1-2; 0-2; 0-3 ;)
It just seems like, it is as feared, that inexperienced mistakes are being highlighted at this level.
Harsh on him yes, but he stated he wanted the job so that’s what it’s like at this level, intense scrutiny all the time.
We must have changed formation 3/4 times in the second half alone tonight, that’s very hard to keep up with even if you’re full of confidence. And we’ve yet to see the best set up / mix of styles in the starting xi (Chelsea away) repeated, which is a bit odd.
And I don’t buy that the players aren’t trying; even tonight we could have equalised, before we collapsed, with Keane’s header but it was the Feeney sub that really let the wheels come off.
Looking at the pictures from training it appears that the players like his sessions but that could simply mean that he’s a coach rather than a manager.
He's been pretty brave and maybe a bit too much. But the fans were always going to be concerned about inexperience, like with a young player. But it's the players who play the game and manager is influential not all powerful, other influences effect performance heavily. By and large been the younger players who have shown him respect and effort.
Players know that if others are playing shit, there is less pressure on them. When fans are focused on a new potential manager between each game, it provides no continuity, no ability to build or get any momentum.
I don't know where Unsworth goes from here, it's a difficult retreat to U23s, he's unlikely to get a big job off the back of it. He might yet get the job, if the board decide they don't like options until January, but seems highly unlikely now, especially given he's been in far better place earlier on.
Post by: Ridge on November 24, 2017, 08:40:33 AM
Missed the second half of this, and most of the first half actually. What happened with e Feeney sub? Why was he put on at RB? Or was that the cause of the goals..?
Team largely fell apart after, wasn't directly to blame for anything major, but wasn't a successful sub and it changed shape of team.
Post by: Jamokachi on November 24, 2017, 08:55:43 AM
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Post by: Ridge on November 24, 2017, 10:43:00 AM
Don't mean to offend anyone, or be dramatic. 2017 has been a pretty shit year for football and politics and I've got a bit too serious and vocal on both fronts on here. Getting bored of my own opinions, appreciate it's a shit time and a new manager will bring hope, but don't really care who it is. So best I tone it down and channel more energy in more productive and constructive manner :cheers:
Post by: therealdunc on November 24, 2017, 12:55:06 PM
Everton need to move away from romanticising and giving old players jobs for the sake of it and give our players especially the U23 players the best person for the job.
Got nothing against the bloke as a person but as a football club member of staff he has been found out
Post by: Bluedylan on November 24, 2017, 02:31:16 PM
It would be wrong for the club to allow Unsworth to return to the U23s, he has shown himself to be tactically clueless, awful at team selection and totally incapable of impacting a game.
Everton need to move away from romanticising and giving old players jobs for the sake of it and give our players especially the U23 players the best person for the job.
Got nothing against the bloke as a person but as a football club member of staff he has been found out
He won the league last season. Don't be so absurd and melodramatic.
Post by: brap2 on November 24, 2017, 02:40:58 PM
Post by: Escla on November 24, 2017, 02:46:00 PM
It would be wrong for the club to allow Unsworth to return to the U23s, he has shown himself to be tactically clueless, awful at team selection and totally incapable of impacting a game.
Everton need to move away from romanticising and giving old players jobs for the sake of it and give our players especially the U23 players the best person for the job.
Got nothing against the bloke as a person but as a football club member of staff he has been found out
Is this a wind up ? If so not funny, he had the U23's playing out of their skins last season and won the league, have you not seen any of his lads from the U23s ? ah what's the point with you...
Post by: Waltzer on November 24, 2017, 02:53:52 PM
Is this a wind up ? If so not funny, he had the U23's playing out of their skins last season and won the league, have you not seen any of his lads from the U23s ? ah what's the point with you...
The u23s did play extremely well but I do think there are questions that need to be asked about how ready and prepared some of the players are going to be, maybe this is the reason Koeman was reluctant to pick certain players as he felt they were tactically naive?
Make no mistake we werent in a good place when he took over, but we look an absolute shambles now. Unsworth was a defender, yet it doesnt look like he could arrange a piss up in a brewery, we are all over the place. If Feeney is getting taught this at a young age what chance does he have. I think its probably too extreme to get rid of him, but as others have said the squad Unsworth was given for the U23s was remarkably good compared to others.
Post by: Rhys on November 24, 2017, 02:57:54 PM
Missed the second half of this, and most of the first half actually. What happened with e Feeney sub? Why was he put on at RB? Or was that the cause of the goals..?
He brought feeney on for Kenny and went 3 at the back with Davies right wing back (well he played deeper than the back 3 for some reason) and martina left wing back. Rooney and baningime in centre midfield with some kind of front 3 of Sandro, DCL and vlasic. They brought on cornelius moved him onto feeney and basically he could just walk through him. And like other games, Atalanta away, United away, arsenal home heads completely crumbled when goals started going in and they missed about 5 chances in between the 4th and 5th goals.
That sub was bad but it was the general formation changes throughout the game which were bizarre. Started the game with 4-4-2, second half came out with 4-2-3-1 then went through a load of variations of formations, spells of 2 up front, diamonds, 4-3-3 and each time players were playing different roles on the pitch. How can you have any idea what you are meant to he doing if you change formation and role in the team every 5-10 minutes in the half?
The game ultimately was meaningless in terms of the competition but not for our confidence moving forward. Same as in Lyon a draw wouldn't have been the end of the world for morale so I don't know why he didn't just go for a solid shape, be organised and make it very hard to score. See if we can keep a clean sheet and pinch the game as we need solid performances and results to boost confidence.
6 games in charge, 16 goals conceded, conceded at least 2 goals in each game and 2-0 down in 5 out of the 6! He'd have had a chance of getting the job for 6 months if he'd gone defence and organisation first and turned some of the defeats into draws even but he hasn't done that so he has made himself not an option when we seem struggling to get who we want.
Post by: brap2 on November 24, 2017, 03:07:35 PM
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Post by: indiantoffee1975 on November 24, 2017, 03:18:52 PM
Can't see Dyche leaving Burnley.
Post by: Macca77 on November 24, 2017, 03:29:22 PM
Post by: Ell Capitan on November 24, 2017, 03:29:35 PM
I never thought he was the right man for the job, but you only get rid of someone if you have a plan in place to bring in someone you think will perform better.
What has followed after his sacking shows that the problems run deeper than the manager. It's lazy and too easy to say "oh Koeman was shit" or now "oh Unsworth is sit".
Whilst in my opinion Koeman wasn't the long term solution, in the absence of a good replacement we'd have done better to keep him for now, trust that he almost certainly would've over time brought some degree of stability in this season, before then reevaluating and maybe recruiting a new manager from a position of greater strength, rather than the freefall shitshow we are now.
Post by: TheTone on November 24, 2017, 03:33:14 PM
Any manager watching that last night will think at least twice about coming here now.
I would think a potential manager would be thinking
if I turn this around I'll be a hero
if it turns to shit well then the fans will blame the previous management and the board and I'll get out of here unscathed with a nice wedge
win win situation for any new manager I would have thought
Post by: Ell Capitan on November 24, 2017, 03:39:43 PM
I would think a potential manager would be thinking
if I turn this around I'll be a hero
if it turns to shit well then the fans will blame the previous management and the board and I'll get out of here unscathed with a nice wedge
win win situation for any new manager I would have thought
I guess that'll be why we're hearing about so many managers interested in the job then.
Post by: Jimmywhack on November 24, 2017, 04:18:21 PM
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Post by: ally2 on November 24, 2017, 05:26:26 PM
https://twitter.com/AHunterGuardian/status/934013519988756481
So what?
Post by: Waltzer on November 24, 2017, 05:29:55 PM
So what?
And what evidence does he have that this hasnt previously been communicated to Unsworth?
Post by: therealdunc on November 24, 2017, 05:36:18 PM
He won the league last season. Don't be so absurd and melodramatic.
He won a kids league because most of the other teams especially Chelsea and united have their best kids out on loan (in the case of Chelsea over 16 of them out on loan).
He won nothing
Post by: therealdunc on November 24, 2017, 05:38:37 PM
And what evidence does he have that this hasnt previously been communicated to Unsworth?
This
Some of our fans just like to hate and allow nasty media like the guardian to feed their hate
Facts before hate please
Post by: Major Clanger on November 24, 2017, 05:44:02 PM
As I've said time and time again, Moshiri announcing things via Jim White is both pathetic and worrying.
Yeah, he's not far off from launching into an anecdote about how he broke his leg in the cup final.
Post by: Gary1878 on November 24, 2017, 05:57:08 PM
Whole saga shows how idiotic getting rid of Koeman was.
I never thought he was the right man for the job, but you only get rid of someone if you have a plan in place to bring in someone you think will perform better.
What has followed after his sacking shows that the problems run deeper than the manager. It's lazy and too easy to say "oh Koeman was shit" or now "oh Unsworth is sit".
Whilst in my opinion Koeman wasn't the long term solution, in the absence of a good replacement we'd have done better to keep him for now, trust that he almost certainly would've over time brought some degree of stability in this season, before then reevaluating and maybe recruiting a new manager from a position of greater strength, rather than the freefall shitshow we are now.
I completely agree. Although i was happy when he was sacked, I expected a replacement to come in almost straight away, otherwise what was the point in sacking him so soon? At least there would have been structure.
Unsworth has done ok with what he has inherited. But we need a proper manager to come in now and put a strategy in place.
Post by: cantoffee on November 24, 2017, 07:20:58 PM
Came into a very difficult situation and has done what he thought was right to help the club.
Think we need a long hard look at how we do business and treat our loyal employees as this impacts the culture of the team and organisation as a whole.
Post by: Normm on November 24, 2017, 08:25:19 PM
This is not the time to lose your nerve and panic. Last night's result should be kept in perspective. These are still early days - and I expect a big reaction to come from the players.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 24, 2017, 08:33:33 PM
After Sunday, we might have a more balanced view about the manager position. If Everton plays well and gets a result, then I would want to see how the team performs against West Ham.
This is not the time to lose your nerve and panic. Last night's result should be kept in perspective. These are still early days - and I expect a big reaction to come from the players.
If i shag Angelina Jolie maybe I'm as pretty as Brad pitt. What's the chances though
Post by: benny on November 24, 2017, 08:35:21 PM
After Sunday, we might have a more balanced view about the manager position. If Everton plays well and gets a result, then I would want to see how the team performs against West Ham.i was hoping for that last night
This is not the time to lose your nerve and panic. Last night's result should be kept in perspective. These are still early days - and I expect a big reaction to come from the players.
Post by: hill135 on November 24, 2017, 09:13:52 PM
I commend for stepping up to the plate, I do feel sorry for him and I believe him when he says things like he's hurting much more than the players cos they have shown themselves to not give a single fuck.
But ultimately he can't set up a winning team to save his life so we desperately need a proper manager.
Post by: arteta4spain on November 24, 2017, 10:17:35 PM
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That being true doesn’t ignore the fact that the players aren’t performing as good as they should be.
Although it’s old news when you have players taking the piss like Schneiderlin and Mirallas it shows that the players don’t see him as the manager.
I get that but you’d think with what’s going on the players would pull together. It’s seems the opposite at the moment. And what’s with Unsworth constantly picking Williams? He’s a fucking liability and needs to fuck off.
Post by: Evertonian in NC on November 24, 2017, 10:24:27 PM
Post by: Lxxx on November 24, 2017, 11:14:54 PM
I would think a potential manager would be thinking
if I turn this around I'll be a hero
if it turns to shit well then the fans will blame the previous management and the board and I'll get out of here unscathed with a nice wedge
win win situation for any new manager I would have thought
Plus the seven figure bonus for keeping us up will attract a lot of people.
Post by: Major Clanger on November 24, 2017, 11:38:19 PM
There's extenuating circumstances but I don't think he's been treated badly. He's a caretaker manager, and didn't Si said he was told more or less straight away he won't be getting it?
In that case though it's criminal that we haven't found someone within a week or two at worst. Caretaker managers can take the odd game but without (even fake) complete backing of the board for the full-time job their efficiency diminishes quickly.
Post by: brap2 on November 25, 2017, 04:54:54 AM
But for whatever reason It’s been played the way it has.
feel terrible for unsie, it absolutely is not his fault, but it is what it is and the longer this lasts the worse it is getting for him.
Ultimately however, he isn’t the primary preoccupation of mine or any of our concerns really. It’s everton, how horrible it is to watch the club burn itself to the ground from inside out, and how shite the weekend is without being able to be proud of the mighty blues.
For that reason also, I repeat myself here, but he needs replacing with the best possible manager we can find as soon as possible.
Post by: Redartin on November 25, 2017, 05:39:38 AM
Even the doorman will be quaking in his boots.
Well he does watch these matches every week and still he continues to let some of these players into the ground. And doesn't charge them.
Post by: Tony Clifton on November 25, 2017, 06:59:40 AM
And what evidence does he have that this hasnt previously been communicated to Unsworth?
Unsworth, shortly into the presser today:
“I’ve just seen that myself, so if we are further down the line to getting a permanent manager, that’s fantastic.”
Post by: brap2 on November 25, 2017, 07:07:38 AM
Post by: Rodenplav64 on November 26, 2017, 04:49:00 PM
It would be wrong for the club to allow Unsworth to return to the U23s, he has shown himself to be tactically clueless, awful at team selection and totally incapable of impacting a game.
Everton need to move away from romanticising and giving old players jobs for the sake of it and give our players especially the U23 players the best person for the job.
Got nothing against the bloke as a person but as a football club member of staff he has been found out
You are a complete and utter fucking retard .
Post by: brap2 on November 26, 2017, 09:01:13 PM
Absolute joke of a club.
Post by: BlueBeagle on November 26, 2017, 09:12:03 PM
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on November 26, 2017, 09:12:16 PM
But more than ever, he's shown today why hes clueless at this level.
Post by: brap2 on November 26, 2017, 09:13:27 PM
Truly awful.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 26, 2017, 09:13:49 PM
Going to take a long time for me to get over joe royle entering the tactical area to give advice to unsworth.
Absolute joke of a club.
Just shambolic. No manager in 5 weeks and a free for all as to whos in caretaker charge
Post by: bigac on November 26, 2017, 09:14:16 PM
Post by: Mayor Farnum on November 26, 2017, 09:24:38 PM
It is a specialised job at the top level and you need someone with a track record of getting results. Everything else will fall into place on the back of good results.
Post by: The Analog Kid on November 26, 2017, 09:25:46 PM
Kenwright and Moshiri are just sitting there watching it happen.
Post by: TheRam on November 26, 2017, 09:25:57 PM
Anyone still think he's doing a good job then?
I don't think anyone has said he was doing a good job?
Post by: blueToffee on November 26, 2017, 09:26:10 PM
We had the perfect opportunity with the international break to get someone in and let Unsworth go off on a high.
Post by: everton1952 on November 26, 2017, 09:27:45 PM
Post by: BlueBeagle on November 26, 2017, 09:29:20 PM
I don't think anyone has said he was doing a good job?
There's was a few after the Watford game and earlier
Post by: Mayor Farnum on November 26, 2017, 09:30:45 PM
I don't think anyone has said he was doing a good job?
But plenty were happy for him to continue until Christmas.
Post by: TheRam on November 26, 2017, 09:31:46 PM
But plenty were happy for him to continue until Christmas.
So what?
People had opinions and have probably changed their mind.
Get over it
Post by: plumber on November 26, 2017, 09:33:19 PM
I don't think anyone has said he was doing a good job?
Check pages 44-45. 3 or 4 days ago some people thought he had done ok.
Post by: blargins on November 26, 2017, 09:57:46 PM
Post by: Jimmywhack on November 26, 2017, 10:06:42 PM
It's really difficult not to like him. Id love him to come in and be a massive success, I've championed him since I seen him play for the ressies when I was about 13, I just worry its too quick for himI still like him as a person and a player from memory but it's defo too quick and I fear for him now
Post by: Rhys on November 26, 2017, 10:11:55 PM
He could have been average in his decisions and got us through the next month if we really wanted to take our time getting the right man but the decisions he's made especially over the last week have meant we can't do that and need to push on with who we are getting as soon as we can.
7 games, 1 win, 1 draw and 5 losses with 20 goals conceded now with at least 2 conceded in every game. And he still didnt think lets have an organised solid approach given we are shipping goals.
Post by: brap2 on November 26, 2017, 10:16:41 PM
Probably the kind of random gamble that pays off at youth level. Lash a talented player on. Unbelieveably niaive again, we can’t afford to keep this rate through the winter games, we’re in genuine genuine trouble here.
Post by: TheTone on November 26, 2017, 10:49:13 PM
Post by: cantoffee on November 26, 2017, 10:57:25 PM
In a team like ours going through this patch of form you'd think it would be clear to be solid, compact and attempt to keep a clean sheet.
He seems to think we can play our way out of this but it's not that simple.
Maybe he will learn but this loss wasn't about passion it was an awful tactical performance, with huge gaps all over the pitch and so easy to exploit.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 26, 2017, 11:07:20 PM
Post by: Heisenberg on November 26, 2017, 11:15:56 PM
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on November 26, 2017, 11:19:37 PM
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 26, 2017, 11:20:44 PM
He's been at the club long enough to see Mirralas be awful for 3 different managers. 4 if you include his performances under unsworth himself. Yet still gets selected. Bizarre
I can understand him being willing to give players a clean slate but then others who are new have been totally left out
Post by: everton1952 on November 26, 2017, 11:23:33 PM
His team selections have been horrible. Can't believe rooney and sandro didn't feature today. Can't believe vlasic was frozen out for so long. Can't believe klassen can't even make the squad now.In what remote way would the likes of Sandro and Klassen improve this lot? If for some bizarre reason you think either are good enough for this league and you even more bizarrely can't believe their exclusion, then go ahead and swop one clueless player for another. Those two wonder signings might well be at least as good as say DCL, or Lennon or Mirallas, but they are still crap players. As for the defence, well it picks itself because they are no worse than anyone on the bench.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 26, 2017, 11:29:25 PM
In what remote way would the likes of Sandro and Klassen improve this lot? If for some bizarre reason you think either are good enough for this league and you even more bizarrely can't believe their exclusion, then go ahead and swop one clueless player for another. Those two wonder signings might well be at least as good as say DCL, or Lennon or Mirallas, but they are still crap players. As for the defence, well it picks itself because they are no worse than anyone on the bench.
I think you just hope someone like sandro can find some form. Barca didn't want him to go. He scored 16 la liga goals last season. Same with klassen. They might have something. We've seen an awful lot of DCL and I persoanllly don't think he'll ever get 16 goals in a quality league
Klassen didn't even make the squad. When you consider injuries and suspensions that means he's not even in our first 20 odd. Given everyone is shite why completely give up on him
Post by: Silas on November 26, 2017, 11:32:23 PM
Post by: everton1952 on November 26, 2017, 11:41:49 PM
Post by: blueToffee on November 26, 2017, 11:43:17 PM
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 26, 2017, 11:51:16 PM
He doesn't say it like Martinez used to but it's almost he'd rather a broken philosophy than being pragmatic and winning some games. He's in denial if he thinks we aren't in a relegation battle
It's a near certainty that West Ham will comfortably outplay us on Wednesday (everyone else has) our only hope of a result is luck. We're having a truly dreadful season and frighteningly we've been incredibly lucky too
Post by: Silas on November 26, 2017, 11:53:07 PM
Post by: Confucius on November 26, 2017, 11:57:10 PM
Post by: brap2 on November 26, 2017, 11:57:14 PM
The man's just not ready for the job. I really hope people remember how good he was for the under 23's and let him go back to that level.
Might be the unbridled rage talking but I’d rather he didn’t.
Post by: Heisenberg on November 27, 2017, 12:36:03 AM
It's so simple. Play all the new signings in their positions with some of the other better performers and we have a team that will be mid table at least. Why play all the players so out of position in different systems every game. Really just looks like he trying to fluke it.
Difficult when vlasic, Rooney, Klassen, Sigurdson are all vying for the same position
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on November 27, 2017, 12:40:41 AM
Difficult when vlasic, Rooney, Klassen, Sigurdson are all vying for the same position
If he would have swapped Rooney for Sandro and Schneiderlin or Gueye for Klaasen then it would have fitted them all in and wouldn't have been a bad fit today.
Post by: Heisenberg on November 27, 2017, 01:20:41 AM
Post by: bigac on November 27, 2017, 01:43:43 AM
Keeping DCL on today after the first half was unforgivable really. It could have at least gave us a chance of going for a win.Starting both DCL and Mirallas was also clueless!
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 27, 2017, 01:45:23 AM
Post by: gizzblue on November 27, 2017, 01:53:19 AM
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 27, 2017, 02:23:15 AM
My biggest problem still is square pegs round holes ....even after the Koeman lessons we have learnt sweet fuck fuck all.
Unsworth doesn't seem capable of remembering what went on the game before. Lookman brilliant against Chelsea. Didn't play the next game. Sandro gets himself off the mark doesn't play the next game. It genuinely just seems like a random selection of players he's friendly with. Seems to be no formulating for the previous game as to who might play the next.
Post by: GLewis on November 27, 2017, 02:29:56 AM
To be honest he deserves 0 flack at all. Its the boards fault. Fair enough Koeman needed to go. But at the point of sacking him you neeeded a plan to get a replacement in. This really wasn't a sack now think later decision. And thats what we've done
He said he wanted the job though so he was going to be judged on that.
Post by: SANA_DR0 on November 27, 2017, 02:44:51 AM
new manager.. still lack pace.. fuck all he can do
someone needs to get info on who did the vast majority of the purchasing.. and why after those signings we didnt get cover for a striking position a left back and CB's
i cant blame unsworth, he inherited a passionless over paid bunch of not giving a fuck stars... most the players seem to be playing for themselves and not for the club/team.
Post by: brap2 on November 27, 2017, 04:03:10 AM
He said he wanted the job though so he was going to be judged on that.
Been wondering if he’s been taking some of these risks to try and get like a rousing win out of nowhere, try and keep the job through a mad win kind of thing.
Scariest thing for me though is the big joe involvement. Like what the fuck. The fact unsworth has failed isn’t his fault, he was in a bad position and I’ve made
My feelings clear on how unfair I think that was, but the manner of his errors and the nature of these collapses, and now rumours that it’s really royle picking teams instead of unsworth being trusted...he’s fire bombing his own career here the poor bastard.
Post by: sam of the south on November 27, 2017, 04:21:38 AM
Been wondering if he’s been taking some of these risks to try and get like a rousing win out of nowhere, try and keep the job through a mad win kind of thing.
Scariest thing for me though is the big joe involvement. Like what the fuck. The fact unsworth has failed isn’t his fault, he was in a bad position and I’ve made
My feelings clear on how unfair I think that was, but the manner of his errors and the nature of these collapses, and now rumours that it’s really royle picking teams instead of unsworth being trusted...he’s fire bombing his own career here the poor bastard.
The Joe Royle thing is just plain weird.
He hasn't been involved in top level football for over 20 years ffs.
The chatting in his ear thing today really made me feel sorry for Unsworth to be honest.
Post by: Lxxx on November 27, 2017, 04:23:51 AM
The man is way out of his depth.
Post by: Rhys on November 27, 2017, 06:57:32 AM
feel sorry for him. not his side.. fuck all he can do. we lack pace.. fuck all he can do..
new manager.. still lack pace.. fuck all he can do
There is though, you dont have to leave massive gaps in front of the defence as a starting point to make us hard to score against and hard to beat. We didnt have much pace from 2007-2013 under Moyes but we still managed to have a team that played good football at times, scored a reasonable amount of goals and finished high in the league season in season out. Yes pace is important especially these days and we are struggling for quality up front so while we are make sure we are organised.
Palace last week the first half we had Townsend, Zaha and Loftus Cheek all picking the ball up consistently in between the midfield and defence. His answer of take off a centre midfielder add in a striker and leave even more space was never going to get us control of the game. Starting Atalanta with 2 teenage centre midfielders, Martina out of position at left back and Klaassen out of position left midfield was a disaster waiting to happen and it left the defence exposed for Cristante, Gomez and Petagna to work however they wanted. Then having seen those performances to again start with 4-4-2 with 2 completely out of form centre midfielders in front of a completely out form defence leaving massive gaps for two very erratic but talented players in Tadic and Boufal to be able to do what they want was ludicrous.
You dont need pace to solve those kind of issues, you need a plan and organisation and Unsworth hasnt had a consistent plan. He hasnt thought we are going 4-4-2 most of the time so lets work on how to be organised in that system. Nor has he said lets go 4-3-3 or 3-5-2 and be a defence first team and lets keep some clean sheets or whatever. It's been change from half to half and game to game.
There are obvious problems in the squad the new manager will need to rectify but even with the current squad and those problems if a manager comes in and gets the team working on a system, a style of play that they implement game to game, organised and working hard to implement it we can suddently start doing the basics and not look the shambles we do at the moment. Silva took over Hull when they looked awful and within days they looked a solid organised team that picked up good results pretty much straight away.
Just because the players werent responding to Koeman, and because Unsworth just hasnt been good enough for this level at this point, it doesnt mean a good manager coming in cant transform how we look quickly and then use the hopeful additions in January to help.
Post by: Bluedylan on November 27, 2017, 08:36:31 AM
And fair enough, he hasn't been up to it. He's been naive and overly attacking in his lineups. As others have said he should've set us up to be solid and tried to nick games.
But, on top of that, it's absurd that a caretaker manager should be in charge for this long. Footballers are human beings whose lives are like children. Everything is done for them and organised for them. So authority is a crucial thing. Having a man telling them to do things, who they all know won't be there soon is a massive authority vacuum. It's like a supply teacher coming in for a few weeks. The kids know that person doesn't have the proper authority and accountability, so whatever they say out loud, they will be thinking 'yeah sound mate, who are you again, and why should I do this really difficult thing you're asking me to do, when you're nothing more than a fill-in' and that's human nature.
So yes, he has shown himself to be ill-equipped for the job, but the horror show above him once again has to take a lot of the blame.
Post by: Smingers on November 27, 2017, 01:53:28 PM
Starting both DCL and Mirallas was also clueless!
Should have started Sandro. Just give the ladies a chance. Put him in for a few games in a row. We could hardly be any worse at the moment!
Post by: Hawkandro on November 27, 2017, 02:15:40 PM
It's fucking bizarre not featuring more of the new signings. We know the existing players levels. We don't know the newer players. At least there is the potential for them to improve, we know what the maximum performance of Mirallas etc is
Coupled with the fact that Sandro finally scored his first goal the other night; you would put him in and hope to capitalise on the confidence boost. I didn't really want us to sign Rooney, but we now have someone earning roughly £150,000 - £180,000 pw sat on the bench doing fuck all. Play him no.9 and tell him to stay as far forward as possible. No dropping deep, just stay up top and give us some form of an outlet.
Post by: therealdunc on November 27, 2017, 02:41:06 PM
Under 23 football is a joke
Post by: Waltzer on November 27, 2017, 02:58:53 PM
feel sorry for him. not his side.. fuck all he can do. we lack pace.. fuck all he can do..
new manager.. still lack pace.. fuck all he can do
someone needs to get info on who did the vast majority of the purchasing.. and why after those signings we didnt get cover for a striking position a left back and CB's
i cant blame unsworth, he inherited a passionless over paid bunch of not giving a fuck stars... most the players seem to be playing for themselves and not for the club/team.
I said it at the time he was on a hiding to nothing, but he has made us worse. Weve got a current England international in goal and cb, one who played for his country in the last couple of years, a regular Welsh international and to get them conceding over 3 goals a game is bad in his 6 games in charge. Admittedly they arent playing well but the way he is setting us up is abysmal.
And its his job to motivate and get the passion into the team, it was the criticism that was levied at Koeman so it has to at Unsworth
Post by: therealdunc on November 27, 2017, 03:06:22 PM
Just think-
How much better prepared for the first team would the U23 players be if they had someone with half a football brain as the team manager?
Really need to rid the club of the likes of Unsworth, Ferguson, Ebrell, Jeffers, etc.
Playing for the club, especially playing for the club and being no more than an average player like Unsworth or Jeffers , or completely crap like John Ebrell should NOT be a ticket to employment at finch farm
Post by: Rodenplav64 on November 27, 2017, 03:07:48 PM
My biggest problem still is square pegs round holes ....even after the Koeman lessons we have learnt sweet fuck fuck all.
We have too many round pegs and not enough square holes or is it round pegs and square holes or square pegs ............................. .. fuck it I know how Unsworth must feel.
Post by: Faceatthefence on November 27, 2017, 03:16:52 PM
Post by: Cereal Killer on November 27, 2017, 03:39:28 PM
Anyone want to sort out our back line?
Post by: GLewis on November 27, 2017, 03:51:21 PM
He’s been decent lately but that’s a massive weakness.
Post by: Lxxx on November 27, 2017, 04:16:56 PM
Kenny regularly drops way behind the rest of the back line. He’s playing wing back there as well.
He’s been decent lately but that’s a massive weakness.
Yeh that's a pretty shocking trait to have at such a young age. Especially when your boss for many years at a younger level was a defender too.
Post by: SANA_DR0 on November 27, 2017, 05:05:00 PM
Unsworth has made it worse than Koeman
Under 23 football is a joke
these kinda of posts make me laugh.. what sort of memory do these posters have?
under Koeman we couldnt score goals, we was losing every match. least under Unsworth we have actually won a match, then gotten a draw! woohoo.. i know its not big league stats, but he did that in 5 weeks, with a team he didnt assemble.. while Koeman got 1 win in almost 3 monhts in the league...
we where the under 23 champions. the first team squad is lopsided.. the first team squad is a joke. (not the manager)
Post by: mikey_blue on November 27, 2017, 05:10:30 PM
Post by: ajax_andy on November 27, 2017, 05:11:11 PM
We need someone with tactical nouse and the ability to play a proper system. I'm praying we get Dyche in now ASAP, he'll sort it out, he's exactly the right man for the job right now.
Post by: Rodenplav64 on November 27, 2017, 07:59:52 PM
Thing is Unsworth COULD play a balanced team, for some reason he decides to still play players in the wrong positions, it makes no sense. We just need someone to come in and play a system where we have players in the right positions in a formation that suits the playing personnel we have. There's no excuse for playing Mirallas off DCL and Sig on the left of midfield. In fact there's pretty much no excuse for playing Mirallas at all, but if you have to then play him out wide with Sig behind the front man.
We need someone with tactical nouse and the ability to play a proper system. I'm praying we get Dyche in now ASAP, he'll sort it out, he's exactly the right man for the job right now.
Balanced ? Pickford is first choice but fuck me for keeper he has an appalling habit of letting goals in . Kenny and Martina are the only 2 fit LB's 1 inexperienced and 1 poor . CH 1 from 4 Jagielaka is past it , Williams woefully out of form , Keane hasn't settled or is nowhere near good enough and Holgate is untested in that position . RB is Baines who like Jagielka is past his sell by date or one of the previously mentioned out of position . Now for the middle of the park where we are seemingly flooded Gueye needs to focus on one area but is overworked , Schneiderlin out of form and not arsed , Sigurdsson luxury player , Klassen hasn't settled and not good enough , Lennon runs around a lot , Besic would get sent off , McCarthy unfit I assume , Davies 2nd season syndrome , Baningime inexperienced but has done OK . And then their is our alleged strike force Niasse tries his heart out , Rooney is no longer a striker , Mirallas has never been a striker and isn't interested anyway , DCL is I am afraid just not good enough to lead the line , Lookman not experienced enough to warrant a start yet , Vlasic at least looks like a trier but not seen enough really , Ramirez hasn't settled but has looked poor when he has played .
Do you fancy balancing that lot up for me given most if not all have been shite all season long .
Post by: blueski on November 27, 2017, 08:05:18 PM
The defending is awful and one paced and they have next to no protection in front of them to break things up.
Feel very badly for Unsworth. Maybe he's not good enough but he didn't deserve the lack of effort shown yesterday by any stretch
Post by: ajax_andy on November 27, 2017, 08:23:41 PM
Balanced ? Pickford is first choice but fuck me for keeper he has an appalling habit of letting goals in . Kenny and Martina are the only 2 fit LB's 1 inexperienced and 1 poor . CH 1 from 4 Jagielaka is past it , Williams woefully out of form , Keane hasn't settled or is nowhere near good enough and Holgate is untested in that position . RB is Baines who like Jagielka is past his sell by date or one of the previously mentioned out of position . Now for the middle of the park where we are seemingly flooded Gueye needs to focus on one area but is overworked , Schneiderlin out of form and not arsed , Sigurdsson luxury player , Klassen hasn't settled and not good enough , Lennon runs around a lot , Besic would get sent off , McCarthy unfit I assume , Davies 2nd season syndrome , Baningime inexperienced but has done OK . And then their is our alleged strike force Niasse tries his heart out , Rooney is no longer a striker , Mirallas has never been a striker and isn't interested anyway , DCL is I am afraid just not good enough to lead the line , Lookman not experienced enough to warrant a start yet , Vlasic at least looks like a trier but not seen enough really , Ramirez hasn't settled but has looked poor when he has played .
Do you fancy balancing that lot up for me given most if not all have been shite all season long .
That's where a good manager comes in to play, seriously look at Burnley and where they've got with organisation, structure and hard work... same with Brighton. You can blame the players / squad and rightly so but a good manager would sort this out with organisation and structure, it only takes a few decent solid performances to build confidence and you'd then see half the team being completely different in how they perform.
Post by: Juanito on November 27, 2017, 08:26:09 PM
Unsworth is completely out of his depth, tactically more clueless than Mike Walker and is completely useless at team selection and pro actively managing a game.
Just think-
How much better prepared for the first team would the U23 players be if they had someone with half a football brain as the team manager?
Really need to rid the club of the likes of Unsworth, Ferguson, Ebrell, Jeffers, etc.
Playing for the club, especially playing for the club and being no more than an average player like Unsworth or Jeffers , or completely crap like John Ebrell should NOT be a ticket to employment at finch farm
These were also players that were hardly playing for us in a golden era. Not like good former players with winning mentality. Just average players in an average early 90’s Everton side.
Post by: Juanito on November 27, 2017, 08:28:10 PM
Balanced ? Pickford is first choice but fuck me for keeper he has an appalling habit of letting goals in . Kenny and Martina are the only 2 fit LB's 1 inexperienced and 1 poor . CH 1 from 4 Jagielaka is past it , Williams woefully out of form , Keane hasn't settled or is nowhere near good enough and Holgate is untested in that position . RB is Baines who like Jagielka is past his sell by date or one of the previously mentioned out of position . Now for the middle of the park where we are seemingly flooded Gueye needs to focus on one area but is overworked , Schneiderlin out of form and not arsed , Sigurdsson luxury player , Klassen hasn't settled and not good enough , Lennon runs around a lot , Besic would get sent off , McCarthy unfit I assume , Davies 2nd season syndrome , Baningime inexperienced but has done OK . And then their is our alleged strike force Niasse tries his heart out , Rooney is no longer a striker , Mirallas has never been a striker and isn't interested anyway , DCL is I am afraid just not good enough to lead the line , Lookman not experienced enough to warrant a start yet , Vlasic at least looks like a trier but not seen enough really , Ramirez hasn't settled but has looked poor when he has played .
Do you fancy balancing that lot up for me given most if not all have been shite all season long .
That’s a Stirling recommendation of the good work our Director of Football has made.
Post by: Rodenplav64 on November 27, 2017, 08:28:24 PM
That's where a good manager comes in to play, seriously look at Burnley and where they've got with organisation, structure and hard work... same with Brighton. You can blame the players / squad and rightly so but a good manager would sort this out with organisation and structure, it only takes a few decent solid performances to build confidence and you'd then see half the team being completely different in how they perform.
I thought from your post you had the balanced team sorted from that pile of shite .
Post by: ajax_andy on November 27, 2017, 08:40:59 PM
I thought from your post you had the balanced team sorted from that pile of shite .
---Pickford
-Kenny--Jags--Keane--Baines
----Gueye-----
--------------Davies----
----------Sig---
-Lennon------Mirallas / Lookman
----------DCL
How Davies isn't getting a game but Schneiderlin is really baffles me.
yes not all these players are in form or even any good, but a good manager with that set up would do a lot better then a man out of his depth playing half the team out of position! THAT is a balanced team, there's no arguing that IMO, just need a proper manager with good organisation to get the players fighting for the shirt and being well organised.
Post by: Rodenplav64 on November 27, 2017, 09:05:13 PM
---Pickford
-Kenny--Jags--Keane--Baines
----Gueye-----
--------------Davies----
----------Sig---
-Lennon------Mirallas / Lookman
----------DCL
How Davies isn't getting a game but Schneiderlin is really baffles me.
yes not all these players are in form or even any good, but a good manager with that set up would do a lot better then a man out of his depth playing half the team out of position! THAT is a balanced team, there's no arguing that IMO, just need a proper manager with good organisation to get the players fighting for the shirt and being well organised.
You would need a fucking miracle with that line up .
Post by: ajax_andy on November 27, 2017, 09:22:48 PM
You would need a fucking miracle with that line up .
No you just need a good manager who can get the team organised and hard to beat. That team is far better than relegation candidates, Brighton have a far inferior starting line up but are playing brilliantly this season, that's the difference a good organiser as a manager makes
Post by: formerKHL on November 27, 2017, 09:43:32 PM
you'll never get seasoned professionals playing for an under 23 coach...end of story....
herein endeth the lesson...
EFC shouldn't have sacked koeman before having someone else lined up...WE all know that...
Post by: sirblue57 on November 27, 2017, 10:01:25 PM
in a nutshell.....Pep says hi. Now fuck off.
you'll never get seasoned professionals playing for an under 23 coach...end of story....
herein endeth the lesson...
EFC shouldn't have sacked koeman before having someone else lined up...WE all know that...
Post by: Robber Rodwell on November 28, 2017, 02:13:27 AM
Unsworth is so honest that I feel terrible for him. The shower of shite on the pitch should all be embarrassed of themselves. You are paid ridiculous amounts of money to kick a pigskin around a pitch. Even if the fuckers are mercenaries and don’t give a shit about the club or the supporters, they should still be professional enough to give their best effort for the manager.
Post by: Confucius on November 28, 2017, 02:22:28 AM
Just watched the Southampton press conference after the game.
Unsworth is so honest that I feel terrible for him. The shower of shite on the pitch should all be embarrassed of themselves. You are paid ridiculous amounts of money to kick a pigskin around a pitch. Even if the fuckers are mercenaries and don’t give a shit about the club or the supporters, they should still be professional enough to give their best effort for the manager.
It hasn't been a pigskin for quite a while. But the rest is true enough
Post by: Faceatthefence on November 28, 2017, 03:16:59 AM
Post by: Alanvideo on November 28, 2017, 03:37:16 AM
Really feel it for unsie,the lads brain must be mashed.All his focus on getting the team playing and moving us up the table.Must have been thinking he could,with a reaction get the job.Clearly loves the club,but maybe he was too close to the first team and they have give the lad no improved performances on the pitch.Hope he reverts back to u23,s and this bitter sweet experience doesnt knock his confidence to suceed in the future............I'm not disagreeing with you but Rhino is 44 years old. Time he branched out and got a manager job somewhere. Every Evertonian would wish him luck.
Post by: brap2 on November 28, 2017, 04:16:07 AM
A few years under a real tactician would do him the world of good in my extremely unqualified opinion.
Post by: therealdunc on November 28, 2017, 04:18:32 AM
He needs to rebuild his reputation and now prove his ability in real football not the kids league
A job In the conference north would be a good starting point
Post by: gizzblue on November 28, 2017, 04:21:46 AM
Post by: Lxxx on November 28, 2017, 02:26:50 PM
We would be doing his career a favour by getting him out of the under 23 squad.
And their career a favour too judging by his tactical nous in the past month.
Post by: pjk on November 28, 2017, 07:59:26 PM
Post by: brap2 on November 28, 2017, 08:05:41 PM
Post by: sirblue57 on November 28, 2017, 08:09:05 PM
But he’s tactically inept so why would we want that with the U23’s?They have actually won something. And being honest, our best performers this season have come from the U23 setup. Banagime for one
Post by: GLewis on November 28, 2017, 08:11:27 PM
But he’s tactically inept so why would we want that with the U23’s?
I’d say u23 is more about player development.
If we lose every game but develop two PL ready players every couple of years then we’re better off.
Don’t think he’s completely clueless tactically either - just been very naive.
Post by: sirblue57 on November 28, 2017, 08:12:45 PM
Post by: Major Clanger on November 28, 2017, 08:12:52 PM
But he’s tactically inept so why would we want that with the U23’s?
First of all because he's very successful, both in terms of results and more importantly, in producing players ready for first-team football. That's the only valid yardstick in youth football.
And of course any manager worth his salt will have a detailed plan on how he wants the youth teams to play anyway.
Post by: brap2 on November 28, 2017, 08:16:06 PM
Post by: ally2 on November 28, 2017, 08:16:57 PM
And of course any manager worth his salt will have a detailed plan on how he wants the youth teams to play anyway.
Yeah. Launch it from centre back into the mixer haha
Post by: Major Clanger on November 28, 2017, 08:22:48 PM
Yeah. Launch it from centre back into the mixer haha
Yeah, unfortunately that's what we're looking forward to under Allardyce, but apparently we have to be grateful for it.
Post by: blue1948 on November 28, 2017, 08:23:35 PM
I am being a extremely facicious and a bit of a dickhead.Facetious is one of few words with the vowels once and in the correct order along with abstemious,arsenious and more
Post by: Major Clanger on November 28, 2017, 08:24:02 PM
I am being extremely facicious and a bit of a dickhead.
I think it's a perfectly valid question.
Post by: brap2 on November 28, 2017, 08:24:06 PM
Facetious is one of few words with the vowels once and in the correct order along with abstemious,arsenious and more
Knew i’d fucked that up you know
Post by: blue1948 on November 28, 2017, 08:28:54 PM
Post by: formerKHL on November 28, 2017, 08:45:31 PM
Pep says hi. Now fuck off.
The only difference being Pep was being mentored and primed to take over the 1st team role over a period of 3 years before actually taking over.....
NOW you fuck off!!
Post by: sirblue57 on November 28, 2017, 08:49:21 PM
The only difference being Pep was being mentored and primed to take over the 1st team role over a period of 3 years before actually taking over.....That says more about our total lack of planning, professionalism and leadership at the top, than anything Unsworth has done.
NOW you fuck off!!
So, as I said earlier. Fuck off.
Post by: formerKHL on November 28, 2017, 08:55:06 PM
That says more about our total lack of planning, professionalism and leadership at the top, than anything Unsworth has done.
So, as I said earlier. Fuck off.
so we agree....now fuck off....
Post by: sirblue57 on November 28, 2017, 09:05:03 PM
so we agree....now fuck off....No, we really do not agree. You said no seasoned professional would play for an U23 coach. You were incorrect. So once again . Fuck
Post by: Bluenose 91 on November 28, 2017, 09:07:45 PM
Post by: formerKHL on November 28, 2017, 09:14:45 PM
No, we really do not agree. You said no seasoned professional would play for an U23 coach. You were incorrect. So once again . Fuck
am I ? Yet I know from personal experience i'm not....
whats your explanation......
(end of childish swearing)
Post by: sirblue57 on November 28, 2017, 09:17:45 PM
am I ? Yet I know from personal experience i'm not....
whats your explanation......
(end of childish swearing)
Ah, the meanderings of the lost....if you cannot accept that your statement was incorrect then I am not going to educate you.
Enjoy your day.
Post by: pjk on November 28, 2017, 09:23:27 PM
But he’s tactically inept so why would we want that with the U23’s?
So that was just lucky last season then?
Post by: brap2 on November 28, 2017, 09:26:01 PM
So that was just lucky last season then?
Nah we had the best team
Post by: pjk on November 28, 2017, 09:33:05 PM
Nah we had the best team
That's true. We appeared to have the best coach too. Or did that team pick itself?
Post by: formerKHL on November 28, 2017, 09:38:04 PM
Ah, the meanderings of the lost....if you cannot accept that your statement was incorrect then I am not going to educate you.
Enjoy your day.
so you've got nothing... but abuse
thanks I will.... and I sincerely hope you enjoy the rest of your day too..
Post by: brap2 on November 28, 2017, 10:07:00 PM
That's true. We appeared to have the best coach too. Or did that team pick itself?
I’m not going to argue my mate because I understand your POV, and as I said above I am being facetious, but I don’t think tactics are that important to win a league at that level. Team spirit is and he should be commended for that but he’s not done very well in a tough situation last few weeks I’m afraid.
Post by: pjk on November 28, 2017, 10:35:02 PM
I’m not going to argue my mate because I understand your POV, and as I said above I am being facetious, but I don’t think tactics are that important to win a league at that level. Team spirit is and he should be commended for that but he’s not done very well in a tough situation last few weeks I’m afraid.
There's no argument. You're just missing the point completely. Taking the U23's job off him is stupidity in itself. Everything he's done for them has been 100%. That league's been going for one year. Read my initial post.
Post by: gizzblue on November 29, 2017, 12:03:06 AM
It's also very selfish on Evertons part ....we are doing his management career no good outing him back with the u23's .
There's no argument. You're just missing the point completely. Taking the U23's job off him is stupidity in itself. Everything he's done for them has been 100%. That league's been going for one year. Read my initial post.
Post by: Crackling on November 29, 2017, 12:32:29 AM
It's also very selfish on Evertons part ....we are doing his management career no good outing him back with the u23's .I think we've already ended any potential management career for him. If you were a chairman, would you hire him after seeing the last few weeks?
The U23s isn't such a bad job. He might be best just going back to that.
Post by: gizzblue on November 29, 2017, 12:37:30 AM
I think we've already ended any potential management career for him. If you were a chairman, would you hire him after seeing the last few weeks?He could do well to cut his teeth in the lower leagues .
The U23s isn't such a bad job. He might be best just going back to that.
Post by: Crackling on November 29, 2017, 12:39:15 AM
He could do well to cut his teeth in the lower leagues .I agree. I just don't think he'll get the chance now.
Post by: bluenuck on November 29, 2017, 12:44:27 AM
I agree. I just don't think he'll get the chance now.
Yes he will.
Any Chairman with any common sense will understand this last 5 weeks.
They will also look at how he conducted himself during this period. Which was world class.
Post by: bacon sarnie on November 29, 2017, 04:32:05 AM
Yes he will.
Any Chairman with any common sense will understand this last 5 weeks.
They will also look at how he conducted himself during this period. Which was world class.
Well said. Good luck to the man at another club. Hope he gets a job with a team that wants to play. Can see him doing well.
Post by: ally2 on November 29, 2017, 04:40:17 AM
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on November 30, 2017, 01:36:46 AM
Post by: bacon sarnie on November 30, 2017, 01:49:22 AM
Post by: Goaljira on November 30, 2017, 03:35:58 AM
Post by: Fynci on November 30, 2017, 04:24:51 AM
Post by: toffee_scot on November 30, 2017, 04:39:59 AM
I'm happy that he still has a job at Everton with U23s although whatever happens in the future I wish him every blessing as I think he could become a decent manager given the right club to be given his first proper permanent role.
Post by: bigl1cks on November 30, 2017, 05:55:33 AM
Post by: howard1334 on November 30, 2017, 05:56:29 AM
Yes he will.
Any Chairman with any common sense will understand this last 5 weeks.
They will also look at how he conducted himself during this period. Which was world class.
Think today will do him good going forward. Ending on such a high, and matching Koeman's win total for the season, make him more marketable.
Post by: therealdunc on November 30, 2017, 05:57:39 AM
Normally plenty of jobs come up in Jan when chairmen start to panic
Post by: Shogun on November 30, 2017, 05:58:19 AM
I cant think of a compelling reason from his caretaker spell why another club would employ him as manager, but I wish him well.
7 points from 5 games like
Post by: brap2 on November 30, 2017, 07:21:29 AM
Post by: Confucius on November 30, 2017, 10:49:13 AM
Post by: Fynci on November 30, 2017, 03:49:02 PM
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on November 30, 2017, 05:09:22 PM
Post by: Macca77 on November 30, 2017, 05:50:14 PM
https://twitter.com/LivEchoEFC/status/936145274648621056
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on November 30, 2017, 05:54:03 PM
Would have loved things to have gone better for Unsworth, but I am 100% behind Sam and the rest of the team now, whether I would have prefered Dyche or Silva or pretty much anyone else other than him. 100% behind the team.
Post by: 74Blue on November 30, 2017, 06:18:17 PM
Post by: SANA_DR0 on November 30, 2017, 06:21:54 PM
Post by: dazfrancis on November 30, 2017, 06:28:15 PM
I would have liked to have seen what he could have done if Moshiri had come out immediately and given him til the end of the season and some funds in the transfer market.
Post by: Ridge on November 30, 2017, 11:21:05 PM
https://twitter.com/Everton/status/936173653200424960
Post by: Bob Sacamano on November 30, 2017, 11:48:57 PM
Post by: Bob Sacamano on November 30, 2017, 11:53:11 PM
Again to to clear up any confusion
https://twitter.com/LivEchoEFC/status/936145274648621056
Course it was him. Allardyce was busy filling his pockets with complimentary Lucadaze Sport and Jaffa Cakes whilst the actual caretaker manager was doing his job.
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on December 01, 2017, 12:02:41 AM
However it was the manner of those defeats that hurt his chances the most, all if's and buts , but if one of them away games where at home chances are we could have won it, and been in 9th now on 18pts , and I believe he would have got the job until the end of the season.
No manager is safe any more
great night last night , Thanks Rhino
Post by: Macca77 on December 01, 2017, 12:09:54 AM
Post by: velimski on December 01, 2017, 12:24:13 AM
Post by: Normm on December 01, 2017, 12:27:12 AM
From Everton sinking into the relegation zone to being now 5 points above it, and finishing with a 4-0 win - that's a very positive outcome!
It is also clear how Rooney can be used to greatest effect in the squad! At least, that's one problem less for Allardyce to sort out!
:cheers: Unsy!
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on December 01, 2017, 02:14:57 AM
he was just trying too hard for me when the whole team was shite---also this was West Ham , toghether with Swansea the worse 2 teams in the League & Us until last night
Post by: Ell Capitan on December 01, 2017, 02:16:29 AM
Post by: pjk on December 01, 2017, 05:56:56 AM
https://twitter.com/_UKCoaching/status/936363776999415809
Post by: Ridge on December 01, 2017, 06:06:24 AM
Just thought I'd point out that, with everyone discussing points per game, Unsworth across his two spells as caretaker averaged 1.67 in the PL.
100% home record in league, 3 wins, 10 scored, 2 conceded.
This season he got 7 pts from 5 games, Koeman got 8 pts from 9 games.
Post by: Ross on December 01, 2017, 06:13:04 AM
But I’d rather have stuck with him than turn to the new manager myself.
Post by: pjk on January 20, 2018, 06:54:00 AM
https://twitter.com/TimesSport/status/954508630900002819
Post by: pjk on January 20, 2018, 05:02:38 PM
Here's an interview in The Times with regards to David Unsworth and his ambition to manage EFC. I've not read it myself, so if anyone can copy and paste it, it would be handy. Thanks in advance. :)
https://twitter.com/TimesSport/status/954508630900002819
No article then. Pile of miserable fuckers. ???
Post by: Simon Paul on January 20, 2018, 05:42:04 PM
No article then. Pile of miserable fuckers. ???
Why pay for content that another paper will copy and paste eventually?
Post by: pjk on January 20, 2018, 05:59:08 PM
Why pay for content that another paper will copy and paste eventually?
Just impatient to see the article really. I'm completely anti-Murdoch and it cuts down my options, it wouldn't be a problem for me to pay, but I don't like the idea of helping Murdoch get more of a grip, by paying him to infect me with his bile. Tongue in cheek calling people fuckers btw. :)
Post by: Normm on January 21, 2018, 12:13:09 AM
We seem well past the expiry date with the present manager and people are just starting to notice!
1000? ???- Hasn't this gone off?
Post by: therealdunc on January 21, 2018, 12:46:15 AM