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Title: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: pjk on October 24, 2017, 06:46:09 PM
https://twitter.com/EvertonBlueArmy/status/922771072415686656 :)
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: pjk on October 24, 2017, 06:54:29 PM
I'm not sure how this is panning out at the moment, but I'm quite sure he and his agents will be watching the way things are going with much more interest. What with all this upheaval, and the events that are taking place.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: bigmanbob on October 24, 2017, 06:55:53 PM
I've got to be honest, it's not top of my priorities at the moment, it pales into insignificance until we get a new manager
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: boothill on October 24, 2017, 06:57:55 PM
Hope not , i think hes a lot better than was brought in
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Audrey Horne on October 24, 2017, 07:00:55 PM
Really hoping he stays, i love him.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: pjk on October 24, 2017, 07:01:33 PM
I've got to be honest, it's not top of my priorities at the moment, it pales into insignificance until we get a new manager



I just want to make sure he's not forgotten in all of the changes that will be taking place. You don't have to vote mate. I'm interested in what other people think, now that the whole situation's up in the air.  :)
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: bigmanbob on October 24, 2017, 07:03:10 PM


I just want to make sure he's not forgotten in all of the changes that will be taking place. You don't have to vote mate. I'm interested what other people think now that the whole situation is up in the air.  :)
Fair do's :)
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: everton1952 on October 24, 2017, 07:14:03 PM
Roberto told him he would an England great in the future, so we can't afford to let him slip away.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: School of Science on October 24, 2017, 07:17:53 PM
Well with Koeman gone he can now sign that contract now can't he.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: blueToffee on October 24, 2017, 07:34:11 PM
I hope so, but I doubt it.

More of a chance now than before though.

Weíd have to pay him well over the top in terms of wages and hope we can sign a really inspirational manager.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: BlueForYou on October 24, 2017, 07:41:14 PM
No - he's ready for the north circular
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: plumber on October 24, 2017, 07:41:51 PM
Of course he'll sign! Everton's future is much brighter now than it was a year or half a year ago.





Wait a minute.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: everton1952 on October 24, 2017, 07:45:19 PM
Plumber, you are plumbing the depths of optimism.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: phillyt on October 24, 2017, 08:17:24 PM
I think he will consider staying if the manager comes in and shows he supports and values Ross. I donít think it will take too much for the right man to convince him to sign, even if itís maybe a one or two year extension to see how it goes. And then at the end of this season itís not working out we sell him on for a reasonable fee. Maybe a release cause of say 30/35m.  Obviously Iím sitting on the fence somewhat here but I guess until the new manager is found we just donít know what the direction the team is going to be taken.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: SANA_DR0 on October 24, 2017, 08:19:09 PM
i'm pretty sure he will.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: bacon sarnie on October 24, 2017, 08:32:40 PM
London bound.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 24, 2017, 08:33:58 PM
Roberto told him he would an England great in the future, so we can't afford to let him slip away.

Should we re sign tom cleverley?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Lxxx on October 24, 2017, 08:46:45 PM
Roberto told him he would an England great in the future, so we can't afford to let him slip away.

Luckily we've still got the best one on one defender at the club on the books. Shame he's at Sunderland like.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: TheTone on October 24, 2017, 08:55:51 PM
a cuppa and a chat with Unsie and it'll be sorted, will send some Barrys Teabags over, don't need any of that Tetley shite
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: everton1952 on October 24, 2017, 08:57:44 PM
Blimey do Sunderland know that? They should play him as they are heading into Division 3. I think Oveido has survived out of the EFC contingent, oh and Rodwell is playing. What the hell happened to him since he left us? 
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Ell Capitan on October 24, 2017, 09:03:45 PM
Instead of him going to Pochettino, maybe Pochettino can come here?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Robioto on October 24, 2017, 09:04:50 PM
I think the damage is already done, he'll still go.

I really hope not though.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: blue1948 on October 24, 2017, 09:22:27 PM
A bit of a turmoil in the last few weeks but let's not forget Ross has never fulfilled his potential , never other than a spark here and one there .Will he ever get there ? At his age the chances are getting slimmer .His only hope is that he get's his act together . For me at this moment I wouldn't blink if he went ,he needs to prove himself worthy of all the adulation on here .
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: pjk on October 24, 2017, 09:26:42 PM
A bit of a turmoil in the last few weeks but let's not forget Ross has never fulfilled his potential , never other than a spark here and one there .Will he ever get there ? At his age the chances are getting slimmer .His only hope is that he get's his act together . For me at this moment I wouldn't blink if he went ,he needs to prove himself worthy of all the adulation on here .



He should be fit soon. He'll have until January to show us if he's improved at all. He's better than some we've got when he's not playing so well though.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: blue1948 on October 24, 2017, 09:29:57 PM


He should be fit soon. He'll have until January to show us if he's improved at all. He's better than some we've got when he's not playing so well though.
But that isn't what we want is it really ,we don't just want better we want good enough to win something .
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on October 24, 2017, 09:34:10 PM
He's be stupid not to really. The midfield is poor enough for him to break in to.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Gash on October 24, 2017, 09:38:44 PM
I think he'll stay now. Depends how many bridges he burned or whether it was just Koeman he fell out with? It would be a bit ironic if he got his wish of Koeman leaving and the club still didn't go back with a contract offer.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: pjk on October 24, 2017, 09:39:46 PM
But that isn't what we want is it really ,we don't just want better we want good enough to win something .



If he's playing at his peak, he'll deserve a place in a trophy winning team. I'd bet my house on it if I didn't live in a Flat.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: formerKHL on October 24, 2017, 09:41:53 PM
my recall of the situation was Ross didn't want a new contract....a situation not solely brought on by koeman..his decision was obviously made prior to the end of the season....

the situation was subsequently exacerbated by Koeman and his attitude towards him...ie; sign or you'll be sold attitude....

for me what was said was irrelevant as ross had already made his mind up to leave...you could argue that keomans "treatment" of ross by leaving him out substituting him etc, brought on the frame of mind by ross of wanting to leave....if that's the case why would ross expect not to be left out or taken off..what makes him so special for this not to happen...and does he expect this not to happen if he goes to another club..? and if it does will he want to leave them..why would koeman leaving change that attitude?

hope he stays though
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: School of Science on October 24, 2017, 09:47:28 PM
my recall of the situation was Ross didn't want a new contract....a situation not solely brought on by koeman..his decision was obviously made prior to the end of the season....

the situation was subsequently exacerbated by Koeman and his attitude towards him...ie; sign or you'll be sold attitude....

for me what was said was irrelevant as ross had already made his mind up to leave...you could argue that keomans "treatment" of ross by leaving him out substituting him etc, brought on the frame of mind by ross of wanting to leave....if that's the case why would ross expect not to be left out or taken off..what makes him so special for this not to happen...and does he expect this not to happen if he goes to another club..? and if it does will he want to leave them..why would koeman leaving change that attitude?

hope he stays though

Just similar to what I thought really, expect the young Spurs players were in his ear on the England trips last year. Think people were making excuses for him because he's a blue, truth probably is he just wants to better himself, you know champions league and such.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: bacon sarnie on October 24, 2017, 09:48:14 PM
He's be stupid not to really. The midfield is poor enough for him to break in to.

Come in Number 10 your time is up.........
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: gizzblue on October 24, 2017, 10:06:09 PM
Get him to sign then sell him in January .😅😅
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 24, 2017, 10:18:43 PM
I think he will wait and see, which is only sensible.  I owe him an apology for siding with Koeman over the summer.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Lxxx on October 24, 2017, 10:21:42 PM
A bit of a turmoil in the last few weeks but let's not forget Ross has never fulfilled his potential , never other than a spark here and one there .Will he ever get there ? At his age the chances are getting slimmer .His only hope is that he get's his act together . For me at this moment I wouldn't blink if he went ,he needs to prove himself worthy of all the adulation on here .

I was one of his harshest critics but looking at what we've bought to replace him I think we should be making overtures for him to re-sign.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Ridge on October 24, 2017, 10:22:53 PM
He'll stay, how's he not going to be convinced?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: everton1952 on October 24, 2017, 10:45:30 PM
When his dream of getting on the Spurs bench turns to shit, he might sign.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Paddockoldie on October 24, 2017, 10:54:54 PM
All i know for sure is none of us know. I think there's more chance now but depends why and with whom he fell out.
Spurs might cash in on Delli so he'd replace him??? Who knows.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: everton1952 on October 24, 2017, 11:02:46 PM
As you say none of us know. I have binned my crystal ball for fear of what I might see in it.  Nobody has dropped a hint when Barkley will be fit again have they? Surely it must be before Coleman and Bolassie. If not it must have been a hell of a hamstring injury.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on October 24, 2017, 11:06:44 PM
Ross wanting to leave had nothing to do with Koeman. Just an easy narrative to blame it on Koeman as the bad guy. Truth is Ross just doesnít want to be here.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: everton1952 on October 24, 2017, 11:13:43 PM
Maybe, or maybe Ross is a delicate flower and Koeman was too nasty for him. Unsie will butter him up with a regular first team place which he won't get anywhere else worth going to.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: youngysenior on October 24, 2017, 11:15:54 PM
Ross wanting to leave had nothing to do with Koeman. Just an easy narrative to blame it on Koeman as the bad guy. Truth is Ross just doesn't want to be here.
How do you know that?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: everton1952 on October 24, 2017, 11:17:42 PM
We are all guessing to pass the time away.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Bluedylan on October 24, 2017, 11:20:29 PM
We are all talking shite and making stuff up to pass the time away.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: gizzblue on October 24, 2017, 11:31:58 PM

That's what the forums are best for 😅😅
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: everton1952 on October 24, 2017, 11:35:22 PM
Yeahh!! If Koeman had joined us he might have done better.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Simon Paul on October 25, 2017, 12:03:29 AM
signs a new deal on December 31st

scores a screamer in the next game and runs and jumps into Rhino's arms to celebrate
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on October 25, 2017, 12:06:25 AM
IF he stays i hope everyone gets behind the lad, he has time to put Martinez and Koeman and injuries behind him and be very very good, has done nowt wrong for me.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Ridge on October 25, 2017, 12:25:27 AM
It's quite amazing how quickly it might have turned from shit to gold. But after year of criticisms, benching and attacks, a shout of 'come home' was probably as that was needed.

It wasn't the club, as witnessed by Koeman's threat to sell him. It was appreciation and respect of manager, he's got that now.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on October 25, 2017, 12:37:35 AM
How do you know that?
Because he rejected the contract months before Koeman arrived.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: youngysenior on October 25, 2017, 12:39:05 AM
Because he rejected the contract months before Koeman arrived.
Oh, ok.👍👍
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: The Analog Kid on October 25, 2017, 01:08:52 AM
Is Barkley match fit these days?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: smellybum on October 25, 2017, 01:14:55 AM
One thing that might be in the lads head is the idiotic rant from our owner on the deadline day to Jim White. That might add an extra £10000 a week to his asking price to forgive him.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Jimmywhack on October 25, 2017, 01:17:13 AM
Is Barkley match fit these days?
Still on the bike so no, nowhere near
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Ridge on October 25, 2017, 01:23:20 AM
I think Martinez and Koeman adopted the fellatio technique to keep Lukaku from the door, while simultaneously expecting Ross to produce something out of his arse.

I mean Cuco, Stek, Schneiderlin might be sad to begin with, but I think even he's more loyal players will quickly get on board. Every player has a fresh opportunity to impress and I don't see many ignoring that, I think Unsworth said 5 minutes was what it took.

The deadwood was the manager and he's gone.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: christiffa25 on October 25, 2017, 02:03:46 AM
Ross's problem was Koeman I'm sure of it. I fully expect him to sign.

Hope so anyway....he's better than the other 3 No.10's we signed. And I love him!!
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: TheRam on October 25, 2017, 02:46:24 AM
I'm struggling to be that arsed tbh.

Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: pjk on October 25, 2017, 04:00:55 AM
I'm struggling to be that arsed tbh.





Being miserable is a struggle. I loved the idea of Koeman coming here, I love the fact that he's gone. Cheer up.  I am. :woohoo:
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Tony Clifton on October 25, 2017, 04:03:35 AM
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/10/24/11/45A12BF000000578-5011743-Everton_midfielder_Ross_Barkley_was_filmed_on_an_exercise_bike_b-a-26_1508841740887.jpg)
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: BlueBeagle on October 25, 2017, 04:09:09 AM
I think Martinez and Koeman adopted the fellatio technique to keep Lukaku from the door, while simultaneously expecting Ross to produce something out of his arse.

Barkley was one of Martinez favourites
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Ell Capitan on October 25, 2017, 04:20:24 AM
Think he said Ross would be England's greatest player.

I hope he stays but I'm not deluding myself that he's the answer to much. At least on the last few years form.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: brap2 on October 25, 2017, 05:07:44 AM
Think he said Ross would be England's greatest player.

I hope he stays but I'm not deluding myself that he's the answer to much. At least on the last few years form.

I personally have accepted Ross Barkley as our lord and saviour and urge you too also.

With his open chance creations he wakes us from our slumber, with his powerful running from deep he moves us closer to the promised land, and with his long distance strikes he punishes those who would trespass against us.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Major Clanger on October 25, 2017, 05:12:39 AM
Barkley was one of Martinez favourites

Aye, but that didn't necessarily help either. He went too far over the top.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Jamokachi on October 25, 2017, 06:14:15 AM
Loved the way Unsi spoke about him in the presser.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: blargins on October 25, 2017, 06:28:37 AM
Loved the way Unsi spoke about him in the presser.

I think he'll stay if Unsworth gets the job.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Jamokachi on October 25, 2017, 06:39:49 AM
I think he'll stay if Unsworth gets the job.

I hope so.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: BlueBeagle on October 25, 2017, 11:39:15 AM
Aye, but that didn't necessarily help either. He went too far over the top.

Fully agree
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Escla on October 25, 2017, 12:26:02 PM
A £10 million signing on fee with Spurs will be tempting though.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on October 25, 2017, 01:33:06 PM
Are we forgetting that Moshiri threw him under the bus in Aug/Sept?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: formerKHL on October 27, 2017, 08:26:59 PM
Read the title of this thread and laughed to meself...

Just picturing in me head a knock on Ross's front door and he opens it to Rhino and Big Dunc standing there dressed as bouncers saying...

"Do you wanna pen?".........
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Waltzer on October 27, 2017, 09:10:11 PM
Reading Unsworth comments about him being 3 to 4 weeks away I would be annoyed if he played him (if still in charge) if he hasnt committed by then. Personally I think hes gone and I dont want us to invest anymore time in him
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 27, 2017, 09:44:45 PM
Are we forgetting that Moshiri threw him under the bus in Aug/Sept?

An earnest apology can set things right.  It's something that grown men should do much more often.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: blue1948 on October 27, 2017, 10:27:59 PM
How do you know that?
A few clues
1/ would not sign a new 100,000 a week contract
2/ went to Chelsea for a medical
3/ says he wanted to go to Spurs
and 4/ Most importantly has shown no sign since Koeman went that he feels any different
I am quite happy he is on his bike!
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on October 27, 2017, 10:39:21 PM
A few clues
1/ would not sign a new 100,000 a week contract
2/ went to Chelsea for a medical
3/ says he wanted to go to Spurs
and 4/ Most importantly has shown no sign since Koeman went that he feels any different
I am quite happy he is on his bike!

When did he say he wanted to go spurs?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: blueToffee on October 27, 2017, 10:40:51 PM
A few clues
1/ would not sign a new 100,000 a week contract
2/ went to Chelsea for a medical
3/ says he wanted to go to Spurs
and 4/ Most importantly has shown no sign since Koeman went that he feels any different
I am quite happy he is on his bike!

1-3 happened on Koeman's watch. Maybe it was a coincidence and he was just done.

However, let's face it from Day 1 pretty much he was Koeman's whipping boy and the one that was dropped and/or chewed out in the media. Koeman tried to get in Sigurdsson in pretty much every transfer window before this one so maybe he knew he was for the chop as soon as his replacement came in and started making plans.

Regarding 4, he's not said anything before or after in public so nothing has really changed there. Personally I don't mind that, I'd rather he dealt with the club directly than via Twitter.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Lxxx on October 27, 2017, 10:44:10 PM
If he wants to have a better chance of winning trophies, improve as a player and forge an England career he'll go to Spurs.

No brainer.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: BlueForYou on October 27, 2017, 10:44:57 PM
Didn't Koeman give him the captain's armband for a couple of games?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: blargins on October 27, 2017, 11:08:20 PM
Didn't Koeman give him the captain's armband for a couple of games?

Yeah, I think he asked him to take it over to Leighton.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: blue1948 on October 27, 2017, 11:16:14 PM

1-3 happened on Koeman's watch. Maybe it was a coincidence and he was just done.

However, let's face it from Day 1 pretty much he was Koeman's whipping boy and the one that was dropped and/or chewed out in the media. Koeman tried to get in Sigurdsson in pretty much every transfer window before this one so maybe he knew he was for the chop as soon as his replacement came in and started making plans.

Regarding 4, he's not said anything before or after in public so nothing has really changed there. Personally I don't mind that, I'd rather he dealt with the club directly than via Twitter.
Well you would have if he would indeed have dealt with the club ! So personally I think he wants to go and in fact a lot has changed .He has allowed himself to be shown on the media smiling and made no -well at least as far as we know -and that is all we deal in here really isn't it -sign of any pen to paper . Which I unequivocally hope he doesn't unless it is to make a quick buck for the club ,ala Moyes!
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: blue1948 on October 27, 2017, 11:19:44 PM
If he wants to have a better chance of winning trophies, improve as a player and forge an England career he'll go to Spurs.

No brainer.
I think you have hit the nail on the head ,all the squad players get a medal .If he wants to be a special player he should stay with his boyhood club and prove me wrong .
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: BlueForYou on October 27, 2017, 11:22:19 PM
Couldn't have been Leighton, he didn't play against Yeovil
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Lxxx on October 27, 2017, 11:25:04 PM
I think you have hit the nail on the head ,all the squad players get a medal .If he wants to be a special player he should stay with his boyhood club and prove me wrong .

So if he stays he's a special player but if he goes to Spurs he's suddenly not that good anymore and only a squad player. Right, okay.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: toffee_scot on October 27, 2017, 11:54:38 PM
We'll see what happens, at the moment though he has to compete with about 3-4 other players in his position. Unsworth could be influential but that will depend on whether he gets the job or not.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Heisenberg on October 28, 2017, 05:41:31 AM
So if he stays he's a special player but if he goes to Spurs he's suddenly not that good anymore and only a squad player. Right, okay.

I think Its more the fact that the players spurs have are better, which will make him a squad player
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: blue1948 on October 28, 2017, 10:42:07 AM
So if he stays he's a special player but if he goes to Spurs he's suddenly not that good anymore and only a squad player. Right, okay.
Did you read the end of my post .I don't think he will ever be that player ,here or wherever
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Waltzer on October 28, 2017, 03:20:30 PM
I think you have hit the nail on the head ,all the squad players get a medal .If he wants to be a special player he should stay with his boyhood club and prove me wrong .
According to Stubbs be turned down Chelsea as he was worried about the lack of game time, I fail to see how different that'll be at spurs? He's not good enough for that level at the moment and he should realise that
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: BlueForYou on October 28, 2017, 03:47:07 PM
He's banking that he will be good enough for Spurs
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Toddacelli on October 29, 2017, 01:19:09 AM
Reading Unsworth comments about him being 3 to 4 weeks away I would be annoyed if he played him (if still in charge) if he hasnt committed by then. Personally I think hes gone and I dont want us to invest anymore time in him

Yeah - I'd hate it if he helped us win some football matches while he's still here.

Would much rather he got paid his obscene Premiership footballer's wages just to fuck about at Finch Farm having massages and jacuzzis and shit.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: gizzblue on October 29, 2017, 01:47:31 AM
Not really arsed tbh. .I think of he was gonna sign hed have done it the day Koeman left to prove a point ...won't be anywhere near a starter anywhere above us unless he can play like he did for twenty mins against Newcastle about two years ago .
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Cereal Killer on October 29, 2017, 02:11:04 AM
Newcastle's potential new owners are picturing him as a marquee signing....
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Waltzer on October 29, 2017, 02:16:31 AM
Yeah - I'd hate it if he helped us win some football matches while he's still here.

Would much rather he got paid his obscene Premiership footballer's wages just to fuck about at Finch Farm having massages and jacuzzis and shit.
If he's 3 to 4 weeks away that brings us to the beginning of December almost. It'd take a good 6 games to get up to match speed by which time he'd be ready to sign for spurs or anyone else. I'd rather focus on players that want to be here, not get others match fit so they're ready to go when they sign for another club. I don't understand why you'd differ? Shall we bring him back, build the team around him then be back to square one in January but with a disillusioned Sigurdson or another player that does want to be here?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Ridge on October 29, 2017, 02:25:34 AM
I think you have to expect some resistance, in a sort of "actually Ross, we've moved on and everything is great now" kind of way. and a "you never called as much as I wanted anyway".

Except we've been getting bummed by everyone who comes over and the weaknesses in the team are Ross' strengths. Even if we are hoping to get better players long term, in the short term, he's got what we need. And longer term, he will still be very useful, even when we have better options.

Barkley's position was always love Everton, hate Koeman. Koeman was threatening to sell him, imagine him saying that to Lukaku as a means to get him to stay.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: BlueBeagle on October 29, 2017, 02:42:09 AM
Barkley's position was always love Everton, hate Koeman.

Pure speculation based on absolutely fuck all.

The talks actually began when Martinez was still manager.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/football/2016/feb/05/roberto-martinez-ross-barkley-everton-contract
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: bluenuck on October 29, 2017, 02:46:45 AM


Barkley's position was always love Everton, hate Koeman. Koeman was threatening to sell him, imagine him saying that to Lukaku as a means to get him to stay.

He didn't really threaten him. He said if Barkley didn't sign the contract, which koeman actually said he wanted him to, then he'd be forced to sell him and not let him just walk for nothing the next season which would have made all of us even more livid.

I really don't get where this myth of koeman not liking Ross and treating him terribly has come from. Koeman had always said Ross was a good player, and always said he wanted Ross to stay.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: hamshank33 on October 29, 2017, 03:28:52 AM
Some players need the carrot,  Ross is one of them.  Koeman had shit man management skills. That's not speculation. It was and is plain to see.all he had was the stick or the door.  Oumar is better at dealing with that shit than Ross. And further more if he didn't have three players on him at all times  last season whilst still always showing for the ball and charging forward only for big Rom to point somewhere  but not run anywhere to make space he would have been much more affective.  Which was quite alot anyway. He would  have more options  more people showing for the ball and less people on him as they would have more people to cover.he wouldn't  be the only one moving forward in this team,so more affective.  But there are no shortage  of winging fucks who would still get on his case. "fucking Ross always trying  to take people on and losing the ball" or "fucking crabs always playing  the ball sideways and backward" make your mind up.  Anyway  I would love him to stay maybe we can improve in a couple of years and people can start sucking our cocks instead of Spurs. They have built a good team over the last five years but FFS get a grip little we were competing with villa for 5th for quite a few years and then we'll be competing with Tottenham now they have kicked on but lets not get to f****** carried away with ourselves or do we all work for the London media as well. Going to emulate Ari and sign off with BIG LOVE ,hamshank😀
Title: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Dr. Sponge on November 11, 2017, 03:37:47 AM
Just watching England and Loftus-Cheek has a bit of the Ross Barkleys about him.

Strong, balanced, both footed, good technique, likely to get dropped in town for shaggin another lad's bird.. etc etc

All the key attributes.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Lxxx on November 11, 2017, 03:55:47 AM
Just watching England and Loftus-Cheek has a bit of the Ross Barkleys about him.

Strong, balanced, both footed, good technique, likely to get dropped in town for shaggin another lad's bird.. etc etc

All the key attributes.

I was hoping in the summer we might ask for him in part-exchange if Lukaku went to Chelsea. We lack any real physical presence in the middle of the park and he looks like he might turn into a player.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: brap2 on November 11, 2017, 04:24:04 AM
Just watching England and Loftus-Cheek has a bit of the Ross Barkleys about him.

Strong, balanced, both footed, good technique, likely to get dropped in town for shaggin another lad's bird.. etc etc

All the key attributes.

Yeah i agree. Quite like him.

Barkley light years above him, like.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Dr. Sponge on November 11, 2017, 05:36:38 AM
Yeah i agree. Quite like him.

Barkley light years above him, like.

I wouldn't say so... Barkley is easily the better dribbler yeah, but Loftus-Cheek looks like he has that awareness that Ross seems to lack.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Bob Sacamano on November 11, 2017, 05:47:23 AM
People talk as if Barkley has never made an assist in his life.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Dr. Sponge on November 11, 2017, 05:52:21 AM
People talk as if Barkley has never made an assist in his life.

No I rate Barkley. Just wouldn't say he was "light years" ahead.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Nick on November 11, 2017, 06:46:28 AM
Hope he stays.  An outstanding talent.

That said, I would fully understand his decision to leave.  I think Koeman shat on him, plus I don't buy into all this talk of disloyalty when players move on...it's their job ffs.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Bob Sacamano on November 11, 2017, 06:54:05 AM
No I rate Barkley. Just wouldn't say he was "light years" ahead.

Yeah man thatís cool, Iíve got no issue with your post. More of a grumble built up over time than a swipe at yours. I didnít quote the post for that reason.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: SANA_DR0 on November 11, 2017, 05:48:17 PM
answer is obvious yes!

(please dont let me down Ross!)
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: blargins on November 11, 2017, 06:27:26 PM
If anything, his hand just got even stronger given the players who are on well over 100k a week doing absolutely nothing.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: everton1952 on November 11, 2017, 07:10:19 PM
Will he won't he what? Play for us again? I hope so. If we are paying him a salary and he is declared fit he must put an Everton shirt on again. By now we should have been given a clear idea when he will be available again. Maybe they have said so but I didn't see it.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: School of Science on November 11, 2017, 07:59:23 PM
Hope he stays.  An outstanding talent.

That said, I would fully understand his decision to leave.  I think Koeman shat on him, plus I don't buy into all this talk of disloyalty when players move on...it's their job ffs.

Agree with the first line. Koeman has been sacked and is well gone now, so that is no longer a reason, disloyalty probably right, being an Evertonian doesn't mean much to players now, probably the same for most other home grown players as well, well except for the trophy winning teams player's anyway.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Lxxx on November 11, 2017, 08:16:11 PM
Sandro is probably being paid more than what Barkley was asking for. Just to highlight the absurdity of Everton Football Club at the minute.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: ally2 on November 12, 2017, 12:54:42 AM
Sandro is probably being paid more than what Barkley was asking for. Just to highlight the absurdity of Everton Football Club at the minute.

Err No.  Perfectly logical reasons for it but carry on
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: gizzblue on November 12, 2017, 01:02:22 AM
Imho if the club thought it was about money ,Ross would've signed by now and they would both be happy ...if it was 'just' about the money .
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Gash on November 12, 2017, 01:18:46 AM
Imho if the club thought it was about money ,Ross would've signed by now and they would both be happy ...if it was 'just' about the money .

Don't get that logic? If it was just about Koeman I'd agree, the fact he hasn't signed would suggest there's more to it. Money and a new challenge probably being top of the list.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Escla on November 12, 2017, 01:20:18 AM
Sandro is probably being paid more than what Barkley was asking for. Just to highlight the absurdity of Everton Football Club at the minute.

Is your second sentence based on anything other than pure speculation ? Pretty dammning if it is.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Shogun on November 12, 2017, 01:29:06 AM
Don't get that logic? If it was just about Koeman I'd agree, the fact he hasn't signed would suggest there's more to it. Money and a new challenge probably being top of the list.

Do mean the fact he hasn't signed ... since Koeman left?

He's probably waiting to make sure we don't appoint Sam fucking Allardyce.

I don't think he'll sign like, he's obviously heading for Spurs.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: gizzblue on November 12, 2017, 01:31:27 AM
Do mean the fact he hasn't signed ... since Koeman left?

He's probably waiting to make sure we don't appoint Sam fucking Allardyce.

I don't think he'll sign like, he's obviously heading for Spurs.
My thoughts exactly ...nowt to do with Koeman just Ross was/is unhappy .
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: bluenuck on November 12, 2017, 01:53:01 AM
Don't get that logic? If it was just about Koeman I'd agree, the fact he hasn't signed would suggest there's more to it. Money and a new challenge probably being top of the list.

Yup. Everything we've read, seen and heard would lead us to this conclusion. A chance to win trophies and make more money at the same Time.

But yet people are still going on about this myth that he hated koeman and vice versa.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: phillyt on November 12, 2017, 02:50:42 AM
My thoughts exactly ...nowt to do with Koeman just Ross was/is unhappy .
But why was he unhappy?

I get that talks started before Martinez left but in reality the players would have known he was on his way out. With more than 2 years left on a contract no footballer is likely to accept the first offer and the club are not going to be overly desperate to tie him down urgently. 
I have been told that Ross and a couple of players were comparing koeman to nazis. So obviously the relationship was strained and koeman being the man he is probably handled it as badly as Ross.
The other issue was that koeman was happy to take or leave Ross. Hence an offer that was good but not what he wanted. The manager may have been saying all the right things in pressers etc but with a lowball (in Ross eyes) offer he would have known what he was doing. As has been said I think depending on the new boss the clubs position might be revised to something more acceptable to Ross.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: gizzblue on November 12, 2017, 05:49:33 PM
But why was he unhappy?

I get that talks started before Martinez left but in reality the players would have known he was on his way out. With more than 2 years left on a contract no footballer is likely to accept the first offer and the club are not going to be overly desperate to tie him down urgently. 
I have been told that Ross and a couple of players were comparing koeman to nazis. So obviously the relationship was strained and koeman being the man he is probably handled it as badly as Ross.
The other issue was that koeman was happy to take or leave Ross. Hence an offer that was good but not what he wanted. The manager may have been saying all the right things in pressers etc but with a lowball (in Ross eyes) offer he would have known what he was doing. As has been said I think depending on the new boss the clubs position might be revised to something more acceptable to Ross.
Still think if he was arsed about signing he would've done after Koeman was sacked .
Although I make no bones about not rating him.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Evertonian in NC on November 12, 2017, 08:09:47 PM
What if he hates the new manager, too?  One would expect him to at least wait for the permanent appointment.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: gizzblue on November 12, 2017, 08:35:20 PM
What if he hates the new manager, too?  One would expect him to at least wait for the permanent appointment.
Then a splintered arse on the spurs bench awaits 😅
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: everton1952 on November 12, 2017, 09:33:53 PM
It is ludicrous to think that Barkley would get in any of the current top 4 or 5 teams, so unless he regards sitting on their bench as career progression it is hard to see what he can gain by leaving, except maybe a signing on fee. He might even be thinking longer term by hoping he could eventually improve to the required level to make their first team and earn medals which he will probably never get at Everton.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: pjk on November 12, 2017, 09:53:31 PM
It is ludicrous to think that Barkley would get in any of the current top 4 or 5 teams, so unless he regards sitting on their bench as career progression it is hard to see what he can gain by leaving, except maybe a signing on fee. He might even be thinking longer term by hoping he could eventually improve to the required level to make their first team and earn medals which he will probably never get at Everton.




I think it wouldn't be a bad idea to remember that Ross Barkley has been brought through his last four-five years or so; by two managers who failed dismally. I think Ross Barkley's development under two managers who have failed and both been sacked, could just possibly have a bearing on his development and form. I don't think you can lump Barkley with the complete responsibility of him being unhappy atm with his playing status.


Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Lxxx on November 12, 2017, 10:02:57 PM
Err No.  Perfectly logical reasons for it but carry on

Of course there are logical reasons for it but the situation is what it is.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Shogun on November 12, 2017, 10:09:13 PM
If Sissoko can find a way into the Spurs side then so can Barkley.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Toddacelli on November 14, 2017, 10:31:15 PM
Had a dream the other night that Barkley joined Man City.

He was awesome in the middle with that Fernandinho and they beat Newcastle 6-0.

I really want him to be a part of our revitalised form post-Christmas and sign a 2-year with a buy-out clause over a certain amount. i.e. - will will get cash money for him, but we won't stand in his way if he really wants to go.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on November 15, 2017, 12:55:56 AM
Ross will either leave in Jan for peanuts or in the summer for free. Theyíre the only 2 options. Quite likely heíll not play for the club again.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Waltzer on November 15, 2017, 01:54:51 AM
Ross will either leave in Jan for peanuts or in the summer for free. They're the only 2 options. Quite likely he'll not play for the club again.
Yep. Tbh I don't really care what he does, but it'd be refreshing for him to sign a pre contract with someone abroad. He isn't getting a game anywhere else better than us in England but he could really make a name for himself at a champions league team in Spain or Italy, similar to what Nzonzi did. English players tend not to think outside the box and want the easy life, which I think is to the detriment of the national team
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Escla on November 15, 2017, 02:14:39 AM
...give a fuck ...., in the words of Gordon Strachan," I've  far more important things to think about, there's a joghurt in my fridge that expires tomorrow"
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: blueToffee on November 15, 2017, 05:44:12 AM
It is ludicrous to think that Barkley would get in any of the current top 4 or 5 teams, so unless he regards sitting on their bench as career progression it is hard to see what he can gain by leaving, except maybe a signing on fee. He might even be thinking longer term by hoping he could eventually improve to the required level to make their first team and earn medals which he will probably never get at Everton.

Working with a coach like Pochettino who might help him progress like the other players under his guidance? That's just for starters.

After working under Koeman and Martinez (polar opposites of each other in a way, both ultimately unsuccessful) I could see the temptation.

Sissoko is even getting CL game time.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Waltzer on November 15, 2017, 02:03:39 PM
Working with a coach like Pochettino who might help him progress like the other players under his guidance? That's just for starters.

After working under Koeman and Martinez (polar opposites of each other in a way, both ultimately unsuccessful) I could see the temptation.

Sissoko is even getting CL game time.

I struggle with this constant 'if Sissoko can do it anyone can' mentality, the bloke has 50+ caps for France, and he hasnt just accumulated these whilst working under 'God', aka Pochettino. Hes played at every level for his national team, he is a lot better than people give him credit for and he'd have walked straight into our team back then, and now. Barkley struggles to get into one of the worst England squads in decades and has been overlooked by more than 1 manager.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on November 15, 2017, 02:28:39 PM
Fair play to Ross, him and his advisors saw straight through the takeover and he obviously didnít believe in Ďthe projectí enough to sign up to it. Heís going in one direction while we go in the other. Only got ourselves to blame.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Lxxx on November 15, 2017, 05:45:24 PM
Fair play to Ross, him and his advisors saw straight through the takeover and he obviously didn’t believe in ‘the project’ enough to sign up to it. He’s going in one direction while we go in the other. Only got ourselves to blame.

Not really. We finished 7th and were in with a shout of top 4 until about 6 weeks to go of the season, with a season in Europe to come and a new stadium planned. There was nothing to 'see through' as everything looked positive in the summer. 
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: mikey_blue on November 15, 2017, 06:05:38 PM
Fair play to Ross, him and his advisors saw straight through the takeover and he obviously didn’t believe in ‘the project’ enough to sign up to it. He’s going in one direction while we go in the other. Only got ourselves to blame.

I highly doubt he's seen through Everton's plans. He didn't like Koeman, he doesn't like getting boo'd by fans for every little thing and he wants more money. His star hasn't went super nova and it's not like teams are falling over themselves to sign him. Two teams see him as a useful addition at a knock down rate. He'll ride the bench at Chelsea, or work with a world class manager who's going to try and turn him into Dembele's backup/ successor.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: blueToffee on November 15, 2017, 07:44:50 PM
I struggle with this constant 'if Sissoko can do it anyone can' mentality, the bloke has 50+ caps for France, and he hasnt just accumulated these whilst working under 'God', aka Pochettino. Hes played at every level for his national team, he is a lot better than people give him credit for and he'd have walked straight into our team back then, and now. Barkley struggles to get into one of the worst England squads in decades and has been overlooked by more than 1 manager.

Sissoko is just hit and miss, some would say like Barkley was the only correlation.

Bigger point is you could see the attraction of working under Pochettino at the moment, as well as the opportunity to be at a club who are playing CL football.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Bluedylan on November 15, 2017, 08:29:20 PM
Fair play to Ross, him and his advisors saw straight through the takeover and he obviously didnít believe in Ďthe projectí enough to sign up to it. Heís going in one direction while we go in the other. Only got ourselves to blame.

Let me put this delicately. You don't half talk some negative, miserablist shite. Where on earth are you getting this drivel from?

Regardless of our ups and downs, since Moshiri arrived we are in a significantly better position as a club than we were previously.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: gizzblue on November 16, 2017, 04:39:24 AM
Fair play to Ross, him and his advisors saw straight through the takeover and he obviously didn't believe in "the project' enough to sign up to it. He's going in one direction while we go in the other. Only got ourselves to blame.
Its a shame his advisors never said don't tap an angry piss head on the face in a darkened night club 😅😅.