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Title: [News]Gana close to new deal
Post by: Everton News on October 28, 2017, 04:48:13 PM
Gana close to new deal

Everton midfielder Idrissa Gana Guaye is close to signing a new long-term deal at the club.

Source: Gana close to new deal (https://www.nsno.co.uk/everton-news/2017/10/gana-close-new-deal/)
Title: Re: [News]Gana close to new deal
Post by: Martip on October 28, 2017, 06:55:33 PM
Brilliant little player
Title: Re: [News]Gana close to new deal
Post by: sam of the south on October 28, 2017, 08:58:54 PM
99.9% done apparently  :whistle:
Title: Re: [News]Gana close to new deal
Post by: gizzblue on October 29, 2017, 01:12:43 AM
99.9% done apparently  :whistle:
Thats what they said about Lukaku and Barkley ....uh oh .😅😅
Title: Re: [News]Gana close to new deal
Post by: kramer0 on October 30, 2017, 02:27:05 AM
Doubling down on what I said in the Unsworth thread. This is a horrible idea.

Main Reason: He has no workable role. I'm sure we'd like to play him as a pure DM but he doesn't have the positional discipline, so the next option is to use him as more of a box-to-box player. The problem? He can't pass the ball in/into the final third effectively and he regularly kills attacks (or worse, starts counter attacks for the opposition). Could he be used alongside a positionally disciplined passer? Maybe, but unlike Kante, Gana has never shown any ability to use his defensive work to help us counter. So really, I'm not sure what his value to the team is. Tackles and interceptions aren't worth anything in and of themselves.

Secondary Reason: He relies on his pace to make loads of tackles and interceptions. Once he's past age 30, that pace is likely to decline, which means he won't be able to do nearly as much of what he's built his reputation on. His current contract expires after his age 30 season and, to me, that's perfect. His value will only erode from there.

He has a role in the squad but he's nowhere near worthy of being top earner and/or someone we build our team around. There, I said it. Tool away.
Title: Re: [News]Gana close to new deal
Post by: blargins on October 30, 2017, 03:03:22 AM
I agree with @kramer0 (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4360)

He's not the answer. He's a decent player, but even with him and Schneiderlin, our midfield is still shite and weak.

Another player we need to upgrade eventually.
Title: Re: [News]Gana close to new deal
Post by: van der Meyde on October 30, 2017, 04:38:29 AM
Fed up of him marauding around the pitch in search of a tackle and leaving gaps behind him, when he could stay back and make tackles in areas where the opposition will actually be dangerous.
Title: Re: [News]Gana close to new deal
Post by: Tinga on October 30, 2017, 04:55:49 AM
...oh god. We aren't turning on Gueye are we? What have we become.

I agree with @kramer0 (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4360)

He's not the answer. He's a decent player, but even with him and Schneiderlin, our midfield is still shite and weak.

Another player we need to upgrade eventually.

Who is coming to this Everton team that will do a much better job than him? @kramer0 (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4360) would be curious who you would get instead as well.
Title: Re: [News]Gana close to new deal
Post by: BlueBeagle on October 30, 2017, 05:01:40 AM
Roll back 12 months and there was genuine belief on here that he was world class.

Now people (possibly even the same people, I can't be arsed looking back to check) don't want to offer him a new deal.
Title: Re: [News]Gana close to new deal
Post by: gizzblue on October 30, 2017, 05:04:26 AM
He's still class but playing withing himself like the rest of the squad .
Title: Re: [News]Gana close to new deal
Post by: BlueBeagle on October 30, 2017, 05:05:01 AM
Who is coming to this Everton team that will do a much better job than him? @kramer0 (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4360) would be curious who you would get instead as well.

Probably some obscure name from a team nobody watches but whose play makes pretty graphs with lots of xG stats and heat maps.
Title: Re: [News]Gana close to new deal
Post by: School of Science on October 30, 2017, 05:14:21 AM
I agree with @kramer0 (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4360)

He's not the answer. He's a decent player, but even with him and Schneiderlin, our midfield is still shite and weak.

Another player we need to upgrade eventually.

Then why where these two players so good last year ?
Title: Re: [News]Gana close to new deal
Post by: kramer0 on October 30, 2017, 05:16:00 AM
For a box-to-box role? Someone who covers ground but can also actually pass.

For a pure defensive midfield role? Someone who makes tackles and interceptions but doesn't abandon his position every time he sees an opponent with the ball.

There will be a lot of players fitting those criteria.
Title: Re: [News]Gana close to new deal
Post by: Tinga on October 30, 2017, 05:25:24 AM
For a box-to-box role? Someone who covers ground but can also actually pass.

For a pure defensive midfield role? Someone who makes tackles and interceptions but doesn't abandon his position every time he sees an opponent with the ball.

There will be a lot of players fitting those criteria.

Surely you must have some players in mind though? I should point out though that we're Everton and we are currently sitting in 18th position and will be out of europe for the foreseeable.

Why can't Gana just be a defensive minded player like he was when we all loved him last season? Is it stated that he will be our highest earner by the way or did you just make that point to try and further your point against him?
Title: Re: [News]Gana close to new deal
Post by: kramer0 on October 30, 2017, 06:09:57 AM
Surely you must have some players in mind though? I should point out though that we're Everton and we are currently sitting in 18th position and will be out of europe for the foreseeable.

Why can't Gana just be a defensive minded player like he was when we all loved him last season? Is it stated that he will be our highest earner by the way or did you just make that point to try and further your point against him?

- I don't have a personal database of players. I do some light research when we're linked and I get interesting tidbits from statistically-focused articles I read, but that's the extent of it.

- Defending is a team endeavor, not an individual one. If he's going to be on the pitch for purely defensive reasons then he has to stay in his zone. If Gana learns to hold his position like Schneiderlin typically does, or even like Baningime did today, then I would withdraw my complaint about him not filling a proper role in the team. (I still don't think he's worth a new contract, mind you.)

- The contract bit is guesswork. He's been hyped as a key player for us so I would imagine he'd be among the top earners. With that said, I've seen nothing specific about how much he'll earn which why I threw the "or" in there. Maybe I should have led with "build our team around him" because that's the more important point anyhow.
Title: Re: [News]Gana close to new deal
Post by: blargins on October 30, 2017, 07:48:42 AM
Then why where these two players so good last year ?
They were far from perfect last year. Gana was great before he went to the ACL not as good when he came back. Schneiderlin was very decent but neither really controlled the midfield like we see from the top clubs.

This is why we will eventually need to upgrade as I originally said.
Title: Re: [News]Gana close to new deal
Post by: di_guyo on October 30, 2017, 03:10:03 PM
What am I reading? We're turning on Gana now, really? Really? Jesus christ.

Give him a proper manager and we'll see how he plays - he's been a shining light through absolute shite.

Unbelievable.
Title: Re: [News]Gana close to new deal
Post by: GLewis on October 30, 2017, 03:36:35 PM
What am I reading? We're turning on Gana now, really? Really? Jesus christ.

Give him a proper manager and we'll see how he plays - he's been a shining light through absolute shite.

Unbelievable.

Hes been very poor this year - I think hes escaped serious criticism because he has an energetic style.

But hes not made anywhere near as many useful tackles and hes been very poor on the ball.

I agree that if the new manager realises that he needs a sitting ball player (Schneiderlin waves - when he regains form) behind him then he can hopefully get back to what he was like when he first came.
Title: Re: [News]Gana close to new deal
Post by: hill135 on October 30, 2017, 05:39:42 PM
I said this in his first season and got jumped on.

His limited style is an anachronism. He's not disciplined enough to act as a sitting midfielder and he's not good enough on the ball to be useful in both phases of the game.

We need to find a system which can make better use of him or get a more rounded midfielder and play Gueye in the more difficult games.
Title: Re: [News]Gana close to new deal
Post by: van der Meyde on October 30, 2017, 07:20:44 PM
It's hardly rewriting history to criticise his performances last year. People have been citing his limitations since at least September of last season.

In the second half of last season, if Schneiderlin was fit then Gueye was getting hooked early more often than not.

Half the goals we concede are because opposition teams cut through our midfield like it doesn't exist. If the defensive midfielders aren't at least partly responsible for that, just who exactly do you think is?
Title: Re: [News]Gana close to new deal
Post by: ally2 on October 30, 2017, 07:47:37 PM
I think we've got enough issues without turning on Gueye. In struggling to think what they might be though.

Oh wait a minute I've remembered now:

Pace in central defence
No decent left back
No decent right back available
Very patchy wingers
No centre forward
No demonstrable system of play
No manager
Title: Re: [News]Gana close to new deal
Post by: everton1952 on October 30, 2017, 08:04:36 PM
Criticizing players who are not playing well or even badly is not "turning on them". The reasons, for example Gueye being several shades of awful to rather poor this season could be many, including general team malaise, Koeman, lousy tactics, or just that Gueye , shone for a while after he signed and has failed to recover that form. In his early months here, he was compared by some with Kante, which was as ludicrous to say then as now. Schneiderlin is getting stick, same comments above apply to him; he was a wonderful signing according to some, but now is heavily criticized. What else can supporters do when mega money footballers play badly and the team is sinking? Get behind them and support them of course. If only that was the simple solution.