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Title: Baines makes me sad
Post by: Silas on October 30, 2017, 12:03:54 AM
It's breaking my heart watching him play this season. He's a shadow of what he was. He fearful, he looks tired and he just doesn't seem to be able to do it anymore. It kills me saying it as I've consistently defended him and have been in complete denial but the lack of a player to bring in for him is not helping our current situation. He's one of the best left backs I have ever seen but we are risking his Everton legacy and our future by not having anyone coming through to replace him
Title: Re: Baines makes me sad
Post by: toffee_scot on October 30, 2017, 12:07:08 AM
Sad to see it myself also. Problem is he is our only available left back so he's a guaranteed starter whatever form he's in.
Title: Re: Baines makes me sad
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 30, 2017, 12:08:16 AM
Was a genuine worldclass player. Not sure hes even a top flight player now. Like Rooney a lot of the talent seems to have gone with his legs
Title: Re: Baines makes me sad
Post by: Shogun on October 30, 2017, 12:09:16 AM
Still think he could play CM for us tbh.

Doesn't have attributes to play at LB anymore though.

I still have a slight hope that a Coleman-Jagielka-Keane-Baines defence could work.

Coleman's constant attacking threat meaning Baines has less pressure and more space whilst Jagielka doesn't have to worry about Williams.
Title: Re: Baines makes me sad
Post by: Silas on October 30, 2017, 12:09:26 AM
My real concern right now is that we no other options we are in danger of turning into a hate figure similar to what people did with Howard.
Title: Re: Baines makes me sad
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 30, 2017, 12:10:25 AM
My real concern right now is that we no other options we are in danger of turning into a hate figure similar to what people did with Howard.

Think hes safe. Weve so many issues and so many with people whove just come through the door hes surely right down everyones list
Title: Re: Baines makes me sad
Post by: Mayor Farnum on October 30, 2017, 12:13:24 AM
His performance against Arsenal had me doubting his bottle; which I would never have dreamed of before.
Title: Re: Baines makes me sad
Post by: boothill on October 30, 2017, 12:13:45 AM
Has been poor since last world cup, critisism appeared to have zapped him completely and he never picked up again
Title: Re: Baines makes me sad
Post by: Bluedylan on October 30, 2017, 12:15:44 AM
He'll never become a hate figure. It's just sad, as you say, and damaging to the team. It's not all his fault. He needs resting and we don't really have any options.

But yeah it is hard to watch him labour round the pitch, get caught in behind, and offer very little going forward. The passes inside to Williams, when Baines isn't under pressure are making me want to self-harm.
Title: Re: Baines makes me sad
Post by: Ridge on October 30, 2017, 12:16:00 AM
Teams are more attacking, when Baines used to push up and create, we shifted over to cover him.

When Coleman came through and became a more settled player who didn't need support at right back, the team balanced out. Now we expect Baines to cover defence, with Mirallas or 2nd striker for protection. Then we also expect him to go forward and create.

For me, today Kenny caused the main problems today and got more freedom down the right, without any real product.
Title: Re: Baines makes me sad
Post by: School of Science on October 30, 2017, 12:19:27 AM
It's breaking my heart watching him play this season. He's a shadow of what he was. He fearful, he looks tired and he just doesn't seem to be able to do it anymore. It kills me saying it as I've consistently defended him and have been in complete denial but the lack of a player to bring in for him is not helping our current situation. He's one of the best left backs I have ever seen but we are risking his Everton legacy and our future by not having anyone coming through to replace him

Sad to see it myself, but not half the player he was, funnily  enough their left back is what Bainsey used to be.
Title: Re: Baines makes me sad
Post by: angus1878 on October 30, 2017, 12:20:39 AM
hasnt been the same since losing pienaar
Title: Re: Baines makes me sad
Post by: blargins on October 30, 2017, 12:22:10 AM
He was good up to the end of the first year of his new contract. We should have sold to Utd when Moyes was there and bought a younger version.

Would anyone consider Luke Shaw as a replacement. Seems out of favour at Utd, and never really got going there due to his injury. But then we keep getting their cast offs and they haven't done well with us the past few years.

Title: Re: Baines makes me sad
Post by: Ross on October 30, 2017, 12:31:59 AM
Thereís bigger concerns with this squad than Baines. Yeah heís not the player he used to be but youíve got to wonder where £230m has gone.
Title: Re: Baines makes me sad
Post by: Silas on October 30, 2017, 12:33:54 AM
Thereís bigger concerns with this squad than Baines. Yeah heís not the player he used to be but youíve got to wonder where £230m has gone.

There certainly are but most of those problems are younger so have a possible upward trajectory or are injured
Title: Re: Baines makes me sad
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 30, 2017, 12:53:56 AM
He did come closer to scoring than anybody else today.  But that doesn't really mitigate against the larger sadness, I agree.
Title: Re: Baines makes me sad
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on October 30, 2017, 12:57:06 AM
I do think the LB position is not far behind the striker position in terms of the urgency that we need to get it sorted.

I proper love Baines, but he offers little going forward now, and is left for dead going back against anyone with a bit of pace.

As someone else said, he could actually do a decent job as CM, similar to Davies position today, but I think time has now caught up with him at LB, teams are targeting that area.
Title: Re: Baines makes me sad
Post by: Jimmywhack on October 30, 2017, 12:59:05 AM
A left cb in a back three, he'd be sound there imo

It's a shame it's come to this as he's one of the best footballers I've seen
Title: Re: Baines makes me sad
Post by: Waltzer on October 30, 2017, 01:03:05 AM
I believe in the form is temporary blah blah blah, but he just doesn't look interested or look like he's actually trying, I'm sure he is though. If I was in charge I'd be tempted to go with 3 centre backs and 5 midfielders as both our fullbacks are letting us down badly, our cbs aren't much better admittedly
Title: Re: Baines makes me sad
Post by: Ridge on October 30, 2017, 01:13:25 AM
I do wonder if we might see Garbutt get some game time in Europa and then if impresses, starts getting more game time. Baines movement, passing, quality on the ball is still light years ahead of our other full backs. But he has no space, no help and he's never had much pace or stamina.

Premier Leahgue football has become more about a central column, with athletes for full backs linking play and working as a winger. The difference the full backs have made to City, shows how important they are becoming in the modern game. This for obvious reasons doesn't suit Baines, in terms of him not being able to defend or attack with the same effect.

Struggling to think of another team in the league, that look to a left back to be a main creative force, when they don't really pin teams back.
Title: Re: Baines makes me sad
Post by: Jimmywhack on October 30, 2017, 01:14:59 AM
I do wonder if we might see Garbutt get some game time in Europa and then if impresses, starts getting more game time. Baines movement, passing, quality on the ball is still light years ahead of our other full backs. But he has no space, no help and he's never had much pace or stamina.

Premier Leahgue football has become more about a central column, with athletes for full backs linking play and working as a winger. The difference the full backs have made to City, shows how important they are becoming in the modern game. This for obvious reasons doesn't suit Baines, in terms of him not being able to defend or attack with the same effect.

Struggling to think of another team in the league, that look to a left back to be a main creative force, when they don't really pin teams back.
Not in the squad is he?
Title: Re: Baines makes me sad
Post by: Macca77 on October 30, 2017, 01:19:25 AM
Been a superb player for us, one of our greats, but time has taken its toll, its horrible to see
Title: Re: Baines makes me sad
Post by: Ridge on October 30, 2017, 01:21:01 AM
Not in the squad is he?

Of course, forgot about that. Maybe give some game time in remaining Europa fixtures.

You can play under 21s can't you, Gibson maybe?
Title: Re: Baines makes me sad
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 30, 2017, 01:27:44 AM
Time comes for us all.  Baines will always have a place in all of our hearts, for sure.  It was always criminal to think he could handle Europe and the Cups with no backup, even.
Title: Re: Baines makes me sad
Post by: Jimmywhack on October 30, 2017, 01:27:51 AM
Of course, forgot about that. Maybe give some game time in remaining Europa fixtures.

You can play under 21s can't you, Gibson maybe?
I dunno tbh. We paid 6m tho allegedly for Gibson so you'd expect him to be decent.... Is he more of a cb tho?
Title: Re: Baines makes me sad
Post by: christiffa25 on October 30, 2017, 01:56:58 AM
If Ashley Cole can lose it overnight at the same age as baines, then certainly baines can lose it.

He's certainly not the main problem currently but he has definitely not the same player anymore. Legs and age have caught up with him unfortunately. And he's having to play too much, as well as in a team that are terribly out of sorts.

If we could get him....I'd certainly be in the hunt for Luke Shaw. I think a loan deal this January could be done.
Title: Re: Baines makes me sad
Post by: Heisenberg on October 30, 2017, 02:09:11 AM
Hasn't been arsed since he grew his hair and started hanging round with miles kane
Title: Re: Baines makes me sad
Post by: Lxxx on October 30, 2017, 02:44:05 AM
He hasn't been all that for about four years truth be told. I think we have our royal blue tinted specs on when we think about Baines when in reality he should have been replaced years ago. The fact we had an offer turned down in the summer for Kolasinac tells you about where Koeman thought Baines was in his thinking.
Title: Re: Baines makes me sad
Post by: TheTone on October 30, 2017, 02:45:49 AM
If Ashley Cole can lose it overnight at the same age as baines, then certainly baines can lose it.

He's certainly not the main problem currently but he has definitely not the same player anymore. Legs and age have caught up with him unfortunately. And he's having to play too much, as well as in a team that are terribly out of sorts.

If we could get him....I'd certainly be in the hunt for Luke Shaw. I think a loan deal this January could be done.

i'd sack footie in if we signed that wanker
Title: Re: Baines makes me sad
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 30, 2017, 02:46:39 AM
i'd sack footie in if we signed that wanker


Why what's wrong with Luke shaw?
Title: Re: Baines makes me sad
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 30, 2017, 02:47:36 AM
Are we just too sentimental. Howard stayed way too long, Baines the same, rooney coming back. Do we struggle to make the big decisions on players we love?
Title: Re: Baines makes me sad
Post by: Lxxx on October 30, 2017, 02:49:12 AM
i'd sack footie in if we signed that wanker


I'd sack footie off if we didn't sign a replacement for him.
Title: Re: Baines makes me sad
Post by: TheTone on October 30, 2017, 02:49:20 AM
Why what's wrong with Luke shaw?

Ashley Young gets played ahead of him, injury prone, runs like a pregnant woman and has a face that I would like to slap
Title: Re: Baines makes me sad
Post by: kramer0 on October 30, 2017, 02:53:43 AM
What's really messed up here is that we've hardly even flirted with the idea of signing a replacement.

Left back links have been few and far between over the past three or four years. The people in charge of this past summer's window thought a LCB/LB hybrid would do. Madness.
Title: Re: Baines makes me sad
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 30, 2017, 03:06:37 AM
What's really messed up here is that we've hardly even flirted with the idea of signing a replacement.

Left back links have been few and far between over the past three or four years. The people in charge of this past summer's window thought a LCB/LB hybrid would do. Madness.

And they didn't even get one of those (hybrids).
Title: Re: Baines makes me sad
Post by: blargins on October 30, 2017, 03:08:13 AM
Talking of hybrids, even a fucking Prius would do a better job at the moment.
Title: Re: Baines makes me sad
Post by: Lxxx on October 30, 2017, 03:32:12 AM
What's really messed up here is that we've hardly even flirted with the idea of signing a replacement.

Left back links have been few and far between over the past three or four years. The people in charge of this past summer's window thought a LCB/LB hybrid would do. Madness.

We did. We offered a contract to Kolasinac but he chose Arsenal. Looks a steal.
Title: Re: Baines makes me sad
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 30, 2017, 03:39:42 AM
We did. We offered a contract to Kolasinac but he chose Arsenal. Looks a steal.

He was a free transfer. Most of them are a steal. I can't believe no one thought it important to sign a left back. Our recruitment hasn't just been bad it's been inept. As if the people doing it didn't know the value of players, didn't know what we required, didn't even know what was required to put a competent 11 out. It's just plain odd. Who thought we could get away without a striker for half a season. Or without a competent full back. Or without a senior winger the manager wanted to pick. They should give people their money back on season tickets. It's not that we are shit. That's sport. We actually aren't capable of playing a fit for purpose 11
Title: Re: Baines makes me sad
Post by: Toddacelli on October 30, 2017, 03:49:10 AM
I'd like us to sign Chilwell but after they played us off the park today - why would he come here?
Title: Re: Baines makes me sad
Post by: Tony Clifton on October 30, 2017, 03:57:51 AM
Baines has been making me sad for a while now.  Why the fuck can't we just phase players out?  The nearest thing Baines has ever had to competition for his place is Oviedo.  To be fair to Oviedo, at least he looked arsed.  Baines has had that "I could be doing something else" look on his face for a few years now. 

Garbutt?  Hasn't he been out on loan fifteen times or something?  Now he's back again, plodding along for the u23s.

Title: Re: Baines makes me sad
Post by: ally2 on October 30, 2017, 04:59:25 AM
I don't rate Luke Shaw at all but we are desperate and ti would suit all parties for him to come here in January.  Tell him he'll get a contract if he plays well enough knowing full well we won't and will instead get someone else in the summer.
Title: Re: Baines makes me sad
Post by: kramer0 on October 30, 2017, 05:19:43 AM
We did. We offered a contract to Kolasinac but he chose Arsenal. Looks a steal.

True. Forgot about him.
Title: Re: Baines makes me sad
Post by: TheRam on October 30, 2017, 05:21:23 AM
Why what's wrong with Luke shaw?

He's a fat shite
Title: Re: Baines makes me sad
Post by: TheRam on October 30, 2017, 05:34:44 AM
He's phoning it in.

Looks like he's lost the passion for the game and is just going through the motions.

Doesn't have it in him to be the influence he should be at this stage in his career.

Starting to massively question his attitude.
Title: Re: Baines makes me sad
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 30, 2017, 05:39:39 AM
He's phoning it in.

Looks like he's lost the passion for the game and is just going through the motions.

Doesn't have it in him to be the influence he should be at this stage in his career.

Starting to massively question his attitude.

Fuck knows. I really barely watch football other than us. He played well against us last season though and from the little I read seemed to pick up at least for a little while. Past that I've no real clue past he used to be quite good
Title: Re: Baines makes me sad
Post by: JordanianEmbassy on October 30, 2017, 10:06:52 PM
As soon as Sig came on he played a one-two with Baines and Baines got cross in.

Earlier in the game every time Rooney took a pass off him he turned his back on him then played the ball across the other side.

Also even when Kev Mirallas was good he wasn't really that good at linking up with the full back - he was more of a go it alone type winger. So Baines never got any link up play with him either.

Baines isn't the player he was but we could get more out of him than we do. Alot more.
Title: Re: Baines makes me sad
Post by: GLewis on October 31, 2017, 01:15:48 AM
He definitely needs players close to him.

Itís getting ridiculous though there were people screaming at him to run forward at times yesterday when the ball, played to where he was standing, hadnít even reached him yet.

An new angle on moronic comments, though so not all lost.
Title: Re: Baines makes me sad
Post by: TheTone on October 31, 2017, 01:19:15 AM
Gary Neville having a right go at Jags, Williams and Baines on MNF

Saying they need shooting  lolol
Title: Re: Baines makes me sad
Post by: gizzblue on October 31, 2017, 01:54:11 AM
Gary Neville having a right go at Jags, Williams and Baines on MNF

Saying they need shooting  lolol
Easy for any prick to have a go at a failing team ... Neville wants to stick to sorting his own failing management career out .
Twat
Title: Re: Baines makes me sad
Post by: Jimmywhack on October 31, 2017, 02:01:40 AM
Easy for any prick to have a go at a failing team ... Neville wants to stick to sorting his own failing management career out .
Twat
What he says, as pretty much always, is correct
Title: Re: Baines makes me sad
Post by: gizzblue on October 31, 2017, 02:07:46 AM
What he says, as pretty much always, is correct
Shame he couldn't be right "all the time" when he was an alleged manager then .
Just another prick who always hated us ...pretty much the same old same old from sky.
Title: Re: Baines makes me sad
Post by: Jimmywhack on October 31, 2017, 02:10:17 AM
Shame he couldn't be right "all the time" when he was an alleged manager then .
Just another prick who always hated us ...pretty much the same old same old from sky.
He's been very positive about us since he became a pundit and that is what he is, a pundit
Title: Re: Baines makes me sad
Post by: brap2 on October 31, 2017, 02:11:44 AM
Fairly standard Everton stuff isn't it.

What's been one of the biggest features of our teams over the last 10 years? Flying full backs.

What should we do when our fullbacks break a leg and reach old age? Totally fail to replace.

Didn't we sign a DOF?
Title: Re: Baines makes me sad
Post by: gizzblue on October 31, 2017, 02:12:27 AM
He's been very positive about us since he became a pundit and that is what he is, a pundit
He's a cunt and always has been one .couldn't cut it as a manager so all he has left really ...simple really .
Title: Re: Baines makes me sad
Post by: Jimmywhack on October 31, 2017, 02:14:00 AM
He's a cunt and always has been one .couldn't cut it as a manager so all he has left really ...simple really .
Ok
Title: Re: Baines makes me sad
Post by: gizzblue on October 31, 2017, 02:21:04 AM
Fairly standard Everton stuff isn't it.

What's been one of the biggest features of our teams over the last 10 years? Flying full backs.

What should we do when our fullbacks break a leg and reach old age? Totally fail to replace.

Didn't we sign a DOF?
The whole season was let down by the recruitment or lack there of, in the right areas ....would love to know for sure who was responsible for plethora of no10's nonsense.
We can only hope it's the one who's already paid with his job ....but January will be extremely telling for the club and us fans .

It's massive this window and it's months away yet .
Title: Re: Baines makes me sad
Post by: Gash on October 31, 2017, 02:45:59 AM
Easy for any prick to have a go at a failing team ... Neville wants to stick to sorting his own failing management career out .
Twat
Shame he couldn't be right "all the time" when he was an alleged manager then .
Just another prick who always hated us ...pretty much the same old same old from sky.
He's a cunt and always has been one .couldn't cut it as a manager so all he has left really ...simple really .

(http://reactiongifs.me/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/sheldon-hyperventilating-big-bang-theory.gif)
Title: Re: Baines makes me sad
Post by: gizzblue on October 31, 2017, 02:47:12 AM
(http://reactiongifs.me/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/sheldon-hyperventilating-big-bang-theory.gif)
Sorry if it shocked you enough to cause hyperventilating. 😅.you must be a delicate flower.
Title: Re: Baines makes me sad
Post by: Gash on October 31, 2017, 02:50:07 AM
Sorry if it shocked you enough to cause hyperventilating. 😅.you must be a delicate flower.

No, I was meaning that's you.

Honestly, don't get you knickers in a twist just because a pundit said we've been a bit shit, you've been doing it all season.
Title: Re: Baines makes me sad
Post by: BlueForYou on October 31, 2017, 02:50:48 AM
Neville the pundtit
Title: Re: Baines makes me sad
Post by: Confucius on October 31, 2017, 03:19:39 AM
We started playing shit, blamed MArtinez. Played ok under Koeman and now worse than shit, lets blame Koeman and Unsworth.

time to call out the senior members of our suad and get rid ASAP. Jagielka and Baines must go. ASAP. They are our leaders but show no attitude, no fight, no passion, no drive. Jst really really poor.
Title: Re: Baines makes me sad
Post by: ally2 on October 31, 2017, 03:27:27 AM
We started playing shit, blamed MArtinez. Played ok under Koeman and now worse than shit, lets blame Koeman and Unsworth.

time to call out the senior members of our suad and get rid ASAP. Jagielka and Baines must go. ASAP. They are our leaders but show no attitude, no fight, no passion, no drive. Jst really really poor.

Sadly I agree. Jags is our best defender though.
Title: Re: Baines makes me sad
Post by: brap2 on October 31, 2017, 03:51:51 AM
Superb servant to our club Jags, but he passed his sell by date at the same time Distin did.

A DOF doesn't let that happen. Strategy over scattershot whoever available at the price we're willing to pay.
Title: Re: Baines makes me sad
Post by: gizzblue on October 31, 2017, 04:09:07 AM
No, I was meaning that's you.

Honestly, don't get you knickers in a twist just because a pundit said we've been a bit shit, you've been doing it all season.
Hahaha for hating a manc
Whatever mate .
Title: Re: Baines makes me sad
Post by: brap2 on October 31, 2017, 04:22:39 AM
He's a twat Neville, hated him as a player.

Decent pundit tho, should never have taken that job in Spain, terrible decision, but he's correct in what he said here I think.
Title: Re: Baines makes me sad
Post by: cantoffee on October 31, 2017, 07:29:32 AM
Jags is probably one of 4 players that hasn't been complete shit this season though.
Title: Re: Baines makes me sad
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 31, 2017, 12:21:19 PM
Jags is probably one of 4 players that hasn't been complete shit this season though.

Who are the others. Was thinking about this yesterday. Don't think we've had 1 players who's actually performed well. Pickford has been okay, vlasic and lookman in short spells. Think the rest have been shite
Title: Re: Baines makes me sad
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on October 31, 2017, 02:43:05 PM
Who are the others. Was thinking about this yesterday. Don't think we've had 1 players who's actually performed well. Pickford has been okay, vlasic and lookman in short spells. Think the rest have been shite
Some are just shite, others are out of form. But youíre right, no-one apart from Pickford has been a 6/10 over the season so far - which is alarming.
Title: Re: Baines makes me sad
Post by: Sir Stealth on October 31, 2017, 03:07:00 PM
I do kind of worry that it's a massive rebuild job we've got on our hands here

Some big issues*

Baines pretty much is finished and the end is nearing too for Jagielka and Williams

Coleman and Bolasie need to come back somewhere near to the standard that they were performing at and to hit the ground running

We may have to bite the bullet on Sigurdsson and Klaassen and take a big financial hit so we can get the players in that we actually need (this is the most kneejerk point out of all of them!). Ajax and Swansea both miss them though and would probably take them back cut price

The kids have been over exposed and need protecting. Kenny is going to be a really good player, he had a bad day at the office on Sunday and it's concerned me some of the stick he's had on social media. Likewise Calvert-Lewin has probably had too much game time. Baningime looks great but maybe this isn't the best time to introduce him into the team

Gana and Schneiderlin have lost their powers. We need them to find form and quickly. Do we just keep playing them and hope they magically click back into form?

Keane's confidence looks shot and his positional awareness is all over the place. What do we do with him?

Likewise Sandro looks terrified, do we give him under 23 game time to slowly introduce him?

What the hell has happened to Vlasic?!easily been our best outfield performer, we can't afford to fall out with him!

What can we do to stop Wayne Rooney dropping deep and playing terrible passes?

Just a general rant on things I suppose but these are some of the big issues we face at the moment