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Title: Rooney...
Post by: D_murph0278 on October 30, 2017, 12:39:42 AM
His general play is good enough to be in the team at the moment but he is one of the main reasons why we are struggling upfront. He is way too deep and on way too many occasions. Basically he is in the side ahead of Sigurdsson, Klassen, Vlasic or Sandro and none of them would dream of dropping as deep and as often, leaving DCL on his own up top. It's a thankless task for DCL as it is at the moment, but Rooney done this for the last 2 years he was at Old Trafford and under Van Gaal it was one of the main reason they were so poor under his tenure.
Someone has got to either get hold of him and tell him to stay in the hole and create space for the team or he needs to be replaced and now!
Title: Re: Rooney...
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 30, 2017, 12:45:55 AM
Think he does okay but every fucking game he plays 1 utterly horrendous ball. Something thats not on and then executes it like hes drunk too
Title: Re: Rooney...
Post by: Jimmywhack on October 30, 2017, 12:47:41 AM
Crested two chances today
Anyone else create anything?
Title: Re: Rooney...
Post by: Silas on October 30, 2017, 12:51:56 AM
I think there's a clear line in the sand when it comes to people's opinions of Rooney and that won't change. He shouldn't be playing week in week out no but he is our most creative player right now and was the only person creating any sort of threat. If someone else can do that then great but for all his flaws, right now it's difficult to see who comes in and does better.
Title: Re: Rooney...
Post by: Heisenberg on October 30, 2017, 12:54:01 AM
Crested two chances today
Anyone else create anything?

He's playing the number 10 position. The most important position as it links midfield to attack. Barkley was about 3rd on the list of chances created last season I think. He's a massive hindrance to the team. Good player still in isolation, but not as a team player. Our 3rd best number 10. Should be nowhere near the starting line up
Title: Re: Rooney...
Post by: Ell Capitan on October 30, 2017, 02:36:39 AM
There's this bizarre impression people have that if Rooney somehow stayed up top, we'd be scoring way more goals.

Never mind the fact we had DCL doing exactly that, and only had one chance the whole game. A chance that came about because Rooney had dropped deep.

The reason Rooney comes deep is the help create play that leads to chances. Him standing up top whilst our midfield fail to string two meaningful passes together and retain possession won't do much good.
Title: Re: Rooney...
Post by: Heisenberg on October 30, 2017, 02:39:15 AM
There's this bizarre impression people have that if Rooney somehow stayed up top, we'd be scoring way more goals.

Never mind the fact we had DCL doing exactly that, and only had one chance the whole game. A chance that came about because Rooney had dropped deep.

The reason Rooney comes deep is the help create play that leads to chances. Him standing up top whilst our midfield fail to string two meaningful passes together and retain possession won't do much good.

We dont have the width though. He drops back picks it up looks forward and he has DCL isolated up front alone. Just doesn't work. Didn't work with him for utd over the past couple of years, and It wont work with us. He's playing a free role if anything. We cant afford that. We need discipline
Title: Re: Rooney...
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 30, 2017, 02:39:59 AM
Rooney is 1 of our better performers. The worry is he's still 1 of our problems.

Christ we have issues in almost every part of the field. Full backs, centre halves, wingers, strikers all come before a 10 who's indisciplined. There's very little we are actually getting right. Keeper looks okay
Title: Re: Rooney...
Post by: Ell Capitan on October 30, 2017, 02:40:20 AM
We dont have the width though. He drops back picks it up looks forward and he has DCL isolated up front alone. Just doesn't work. Didn't work with him for utd over the past couple of years, and It wont work with us. He's playing a free role if anything. We cant afford that. We need discipline

What would you prefer him to do? Stay up top and be isolated?
Title: Re: Rooney...
Post by: Mayor Farnum on October 30, 2017, 02:42:02 AM
He's playing in a poor team and probably gets drawn into other parts of the pitch because he is desperate to influence the game where no-one else is doing it.
Title: Re: Rooney...
Post by: Heisenberg on October 30, 2017, 02:42:59 AM
What would you prefer him to do? Stay up top and be isolated?
How does that work? If he played up top he'd be close to the striker. They cant all pack the centre out
Title: Re: Rooney...
Post by: Ell Capitan on October 30, 2017, 02:45:24 AM
How does that work? If he played up top he'd be close to the striker. They cant all pack the centre out

Let me try again.

You're criticising Rooney for his movement on the pitch.

What specific changes would you like to see him make and why would that improve how we play?
Title: Re: Rooney...
Post by: Heisenberg on October 30, 2017, 02:48:43 AM
Let me try again.

You're criticising Rooney for his movement on the pitch.

What specific changes would you like to see him make and why would that improve how we play?

Sorry if it wasn't clear.

Id like him to have discipline and keep his position. This would stop DCL being isolated and when the ball is in the centre, there would be a forward pass available, thus linking midfield and attack.
Title: Re: Rooney...
Post by: Risky on October 30, 2017, 02:55:10 AM
It's swings and roundabouts.  Yeah he does put in some good balls from deep at times, but it's very odd in this day and age that a player is allowed to play like he does and it does leave DCL isolated.  It also seems as if he drops deeper and deeper the more frustrated he gets, which suggests it's not something that's tactical but rather just something he does.  Obviously being who he is he is being allowed to do it.

I don't think it can help a manager who's trying to maintain a particular setup that Rooney seems to play where he fancies at any given point in the game.  But it's entirely possible that he's been told it's fine for him to do it.

Title: Re: Rooney...
Post by: bluenuck on October 30, 2017, 02:58:50 AM
It's a tough one. He's a contradiction.  He's actually scoring, and creating. But at the same time he does seem to not help our attacking play or overall performance.

Title: Re: Rooney...
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 30, 2017, 03:03:09 AM
I think there's a clear line in the sand when it comes to people's opinions of Rooney and that won't change. He shouldn't be playing week in week out no but he is our most creative player right now and was the only person creating any sort of threat. If someone else can do that then great but for all his flaws, right now it's difficult to see who comes in and does better.

I'd be far less annoyed if we didn't in fact do this - week in, week out, almost never dropping or resting him.  He'd be more effective if his minutes were managed, and if our team revolves around him, we're in big trouble.
Title: Re: Rooney...
Post by: Coyb12 on October 30, 2017, 03:05:40 AM
Rooney is the best football player we have bar  fucking none,but then some utter turds we have as supporters were actually saying today they would take him off and put that twat of a player Niasse on ffs.
Title: Re: Rooney...
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 30, 2017, 03:08:35 AM
Rooney is the best football player we have bar  fucking none,but then some utter turds we have as supporters were actually saying today they would take him off and put that twat of a player Niasse on ffs.

He's not better than barkley, coleman or bolasie. He's probably better than anything we can currently field which is frightening because he's not actually very good anymore
Title: Re: Rooney...
Post by: Heisenberg on October 30, 2017, 03:10:22 AM
He's not better than barkley, coleman or bolasie. He's probably better than anything we can currently field which is frightening because he's not actually very good anymore

Sigurdson also better. Although that being said, Siggurdson is ineffective without a proper striker infront of him
Title: Re: Rooney...
Post by: D_murph0278 on October 30, 2017, 03:26:51 AM
Sorry if it wasn't clear.

Id like him to have discipline and keep his position. This would stop DCL being isolated and when the ball is in the centre, there would be a forward pass available, thus linking midfield and attack.

Exactly this..... I'm not saying he doesn't or can't create from anywhere else on the pitch, but he's in the team as no.10.
His job is to support the forward line and link Davies and Gueye plus the wingers and create chances or score.
As I said, he's playing ok at the moment, but we do need more of a threat when the ball gets to the edge of the area. More often than not he's playing the ball in to DCL or even worse, spreading it wide to Kenny or Baines to cross it in to fucking no-one.
Title: Re: Rooney...
Post by: Toddacelli on October 30, 2017, 03:56:14 AM
I think we're missing a trick by not playing 2 strikers - Rooney and Niasse in a 4-4-2.

The old big-man/little-man opposites dynamic that used to work so well could be reinvented as the fast-chaos/slow-precision dynamic.

Niasse tearing it up, chasing everyone down and ouncing it off his shins and Rooney using the space created and his intelligence to take advantage of the situation.

In addition - you could get Sigurdsson in there as wel in a 4-4-2
Title: Re: Rooney...
Post by: GLewis on October 30, 2017, 04:02:54 AM
If the midfield could actually pass it forwards I doubt hed drop as deep.

Title: Re: Rooney...
Post by: blueToffee on October 30, 2017, 04:06:20 AM
I think we're missing a trick by not playing 2 strikers - Rooney and Niasse in a 4-4-2.

The old big-man/little-man opposites dynamic that used to work so well could be reinvented as the fast-chaos/slow-precision dynamic.

Niasse tearing it up, chasing everyone down and ouncing it off his shins and Rooney using the space created and his intelligence to take advantage of the situation.

In addition - you could get Sigurdsson in there as wel in a 4-4-2

I think Rooney if played up top needs to be in a 2. Even that first game with Rooney and Sandro seemed to work to an extent.

With our squad, it should be considered.
Title: Re: Rooney...
Post by: blueToffee on October 30, 2017, 04:10:41 AM
Overall, its just a weird situation with Rooney. Every game seems a microcosm of what the pluses and negatives are. He sets up Lennon, something nobody else seemingly attempts to do....but also sets up Mahrez.

Despite the pass to Lennon though, I dont think its helping us with him so deep. Small moments aside, the attack just falls apart and we dont have nearly enough players in he box.
Title: Re: Rooney...
Post by: Coyb12 on October 30, 2017, 04:13:33 AM
Sigurdson also better. Although that being said, Siggurdson is ineffective without a proper striker infront of him
Sigurdson is dross and we be shipped out within 12mths twat of a signing.
Title: Re: Rooney...
Post by: TheRam on October 30, 2017, 05:39:35 AM
If the midfield could actually pass it forwards I doubt hed drop as deep.



Yep.

He took it upon himself to drop deep and get some possession going and it worked for us.

I want him in the final 3rd and he still has the quality infront of goal. But while the midfield can't string two passes together and create anything he has to drop deep.

I'd like to think sigurdson could do that role for us but he's not that type of player.

Title: Re: Rooney...
Post by: Rodenplav64 on October 30, 2017, 03:30:13 PM
Calvert - Lewin shouldn't be starting games as he is nowhere near experienced enough to do it . Koeman put way too much on the lads shoulders and may well have ruined not improved the ability he has .
Title: Re: Rooney...
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on October 30, 2017, 03:48:36 PM
Calvert - Lewin shouldn't be starting games as he is nowhere near experienced enough to do it . Koeman put way too much on the lads shoulders and may well have ruined not improved the ability he has .
I dont think it was Koemans preference to play a 19 year old kid that isnt ready.
Title: Rooney...
Post by: Confucius on October 30, 2017, 03:53:35 PM
Must be massively frustrating for Rooney when nobody else is capable of putting their foot on the ball. Sure he is going to make mistakes but he is the only player we have who is actively looking for the ball and trying to make something happen. The only one of the senior players actually busting a gut and trying.
Title: Re: Rooney...
Post by: Waltzer on October 30, 2017, 03:58:59 PM
I think we're missing a trick by not playing 2 strikers - Rooney and Niasse in a 4-4-2.

The old big-man/little-man opposites dynamic that used to work so well could be reinvented as the fast-chaos/slow-precision dynamic.

Niasse tearing it up, chasing everyone down and ouncing it off his shins and Rooney using the space created and his intelligence to take advantage of the situation.

In addition - you could get Sigurdsson in there as wel in a 4-4-2

Think you might have something, although id prefer us to go 3,5,2. Both fullbacks are not the best so lets load the midfield and at least try to score a goal
Title: Re: Rooney...
Post by: Rodenplav64 on October 30, 2017, 04:15:51 PM
I don’t think it was Koeman’s preference to play a 19 year old kid that isnt ready.

Sandro scored 15 La Liga goals and should have been starting ahead of DCL . Koeman chose to play one and not the other . Koeman chose to freeze out Niasse . Koeman knew Lukaku would not be signing . Koeman stated we needed to share the goals around and not rely on one striker . Koeman failed Everton miserably .
Title: Re: Rooney...
Post by: Toddacelli on October 30, 2017, 05:16:30 PM
Sandro scored 15 La Liga goals and should have been starting ahead of DCL . Koeman chose to play one and not the other . Koeman chose to freeze out Niasse . Koeman knew Lukaku would not be signing . Koeman stated we needed to share the goals around and not rely on one striker . Koeman failed Everton miserably .

I do think it may be time to start using Sandro more. Whilst he's not impressed very much up to now, one thing you can guarantee is that he's not going to adjust to Premiership football sat on the bench.
Title: Re: Rooney...
Post by: brap2 on October 30, 2017, 05:26:04 PM
We bought Sandro who is played alongside a big man, Rooney who is the prems most effective ever second striker, and sig who has only ever shone with a true nine in front of him.

It is november soon and Oumar Niasse is still a consideration for striker.
Title: Re: Rooney...
Post by: Waltzer on October 30, 2017, 05:27:10 PM
Sandro scored 15 La Liga goals and should have been starting ahead of DCL . Koeman chose to play one and not the other . Koeman chose to freeze out Niasse . Koeman knew Lukaku would not be signing . Koeman stated we needed to share the goals around and not rely on one striker . Koeman failed Everton miserably .

I cant believe im doing this again!!

'Koeman chose to freeze out Niasse' - you honestly think hes good enough? I bet when the new manager comes in and we get a striker we rarely, if at all, see Niasse again, and there is a reason for that.
'Koeman knew Lukaku would not be signing' So did the board, the board chose not to sign anyone as they deemed them too expensive, hardly Koemans fault.
'Koeman stated we needed to share the goals around' - we got Sigurdsson, Klassen and Rooney so they did that, with a striker they'd have someone to run off, someone to hold the ball up and probably would do this
'Koeman failed Everton miserably' - Did he phuck, he had his pants pulled down by the board by not signing a recognised striker. Koeman did have his flaws but some people on here would lay global warming and world famine at his feet given half the chance, when in reality a good majority of his ability to do his job was removed by failures above him.
Title: Re: Rooney...
Post by: Lxxx on October 30, 2017, 05:35:24 PM
I cant believe im doing this again!!

'Koeman chose to freeze out Niasse' - you honestly think hes good enough? I bet when the new manager comes in and we get a striker we rarely, if at all, see Niasse again, and there is a reason for that.
'Koeman knew Lukaku would not be signing' So did the board, the board chose not to sign anyone as they deemed them too expensive, hardly Koemans fault.
'Koeman stated we needed to share the goals around' - we got Sigurdsson, Klassen and Rooney so they did that, with a striker they'd have someone to run off, someone to hold the ball up and probably would do this
'Koeman failed Everton miserably' - Did he phuck, he had his pants pulled down by the board by not signing a recognised striker. Koeman did have his flaws but some people on here would lay global warming and world famine at his feet given half the chance, when in reality a good majority of his ability to do his job was removed by failures above him.

Fair points. You can't go into a Premier League season with just an inexperienced kid and a sub standard lad from the Russian league as your only options up front and not expect to struggle. Towards the end Koeman tried every permutation imaginable and still couldn't fashion a goal threat.
Title: Re: Rooney...
Post by: hill135 on October 30, 2017, 05:46:42 PM
I agree that our complete inability to pass the ball from front-to-back is encouraging him to come looking for the ball in really harmless areas.

But it's not only that as let's face it he's been doing it for at least five years for both Man Utd and England. He is the only player we have with any quality and an actual pair of bollocks but there is a price in that it does unbalance us.

It should improve with some actual coaching though when we appoint a new manager.
Title: Re: Rooney...
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 30, 2017, 05:50:37 PM
We bought Sandro who is played alongside a big man, Rooney who is the prems most effective ever second striker, and sig who has only ever shone with a true nine in front of him.

It is november soon and Oumar Niasse is still a consideration for striker.

To the life of me, no clue why we don't try 2 up top. So many truly desperate things tried, this sensible option mostly left by the wayside.
Title: Re: Rooney...
Post by: Bluedylan on October 30, 2017, 05:50:41 PM
I agree that our complete inability to pass the ball from front-to-back is encouraging him to come looking for the ball in really harmless areas.

But it's not only that as let's face it he's been doing it for at least five years for both Man Utd and England. He is the only player we have with any quality and an actual pair of bollocks but there is a price in that it does unbalance us.

It should improve with some actual coaching though when we appoint a new manager.

I'd say Sigurdsson has quality and testicular fortitude, judging on his displays for Swansea and Iceland. He's just walked into a bit of a shitshow and not been able to show it.
Title: Re: Rooney...
Post by: Lxxx on October 30, 2017, 05:58:33 PM
Unsy has clearly nailed his colours to the Rooney mast as evidenced in his first two games. Maybe as Rooney is the most popular guy in the squad and probably the most vocal, to give him the best shot at galvanising the troops and getting the job full-time. Hasn't worked. Rooney is un-coachable, he does what he likes on the pitch and as Mourinho highlighted, the team shape suffers for it.
Whoever gets the job has the unenviable task of solving the Rooney conundrum.
Title: Re: Rooney...
Post by: hill135 on October 30, 2017, 06:10:24 PM
I'd say Sigurdsson has quality and testicular fortitude, judging on his displays for Swansea and Iceland. He's just walked into a bit of a shitshow and not been able to show it.

Yes presumably he has something about cos he looked like a warrior in the Euros and carried Swansea to survival. Shame he hasn't shown it here so far.
Title: Re: Rooney...
Post by: Lazarou on October 30, 2017, 06:13:06 PM
He's been wandering around the pitch for years now, he could get away with at Utd to a certain extent as other players covered his positional ill-discipline, even Mourinho got bored of it though.

Although he still one of our best players he ruins the formation every time he plays, at the moment we need a formation that is tight and hard to break down first and foremost, he has to be dropped until we get our tactical shit together.

Would love him to play as a striker and stick to that position but he just cannot help himself.
Title: Re: Rooney...
Post by: GLewis on October 30, 2017, 07:21:27 PM
I agree that our complete inability to pass the ball from front-to-back is encouraging him to come looking for the ball in really harmless areas.

But it's not only that as let's face it he's been doing it for at least five years for both Man Utd and England. He is the only player we have with any quality and an actual pair of bollocks but there is a price in that it does unbalance us.

It should improve with some actual coaching though when we appoint a new manager.

Common thread (apart from Rooney himself ;) ) is that a) were shite b) England have always been shite c) United were shite / dull shite for all of that time too.

Yesterday was awful yet had DCL not stepped over the ball and Niasse not been Niasse hed have been the most crucial part of 2 goals so him looking for the ball wouldnt have been a problem.

If he was taking the ball off Pirlo itd be (more of) an issue.
Title: Re: Rooney...
Post by: Rodenplav64 on October 30, 2017, 08:11:26 PM
I cant believe im doing this again!!

'Koeman chose to freeze out Niasse' - you honestly think hes good enough? I bet when the new manager comes in and we get a striker we rarely, if at all, see Niasse again, and there is a reason for that.
'Koeman knew Lukaku would not be signing' So did the board, the board chose not to sign anyone as they deemed them too expensive, hardly Koemans fault.
'Koeman stated we needed to share the goals around' - we got Sigurdsson, Klassen and Rooney so they did that, with a striker they'd have someone to run off, someone to hold the ball up and probably would do this
'Koeman failed Everton miserably' - Did he phuck, he had his pants pulled down by the board by not signing a recognised striker. Koeman did have his flaws but some people on here would lay global warming and world famine at his feet given half the chance, when in reality a good majority of his ability to do his job was removed by failures above him.

What a complete load of old wank .
Title: Re: Rooney...
Post by: GoodisonPk on October 30, 2017, 08:18:13 PM
To the life of me, no clue why we don't try 2 up top. So many truly desperate things tried, this sensible option mostly left by the wayside.

I agree with this. Put sig behind Rooney and Sandro. Swap one of them for mirrallas at 60 minutes. Goals may not flow but we would improve.
Title: Re: Rooney...
Post by: Lxxx on October 30, 2017, 09:11:50 PM
I agree with this. Put sig behind Rooney and Sandro. Swap one of them for mirrallas at 60 minutes. Goals may not flow but we would improve.

Wouldn't have Rooney and Sig on the park at the same time. They gravitate to the same areas, regardless of where they are supposed to be playing. It's their natural game and they've both been successful doing it, it's just unfortunate that we have both of them in our squad.
Title: Re: Rooney...
Post by: BlueForYou on October 30, 2017, 09:22:28 PM
I'm with Waltzer

As Lxxx said, Koeman (and his players) couldn't fashion a goal threat

We'll have to wait and see if any successor can fathom a way - doubt it
Title: Re: Rooney...
Post by: Django on October 30, 2017, 09:22:51 PM
This is the problem that's plagued Rooney his entire career.

He's on another wavelength to the crap we're serving up this season. I personally believe we'd score more goals if we played him up top with Barkley off him. Someone needs to come in and take the pressure off him.

My biggest worry is far from being Wayne Rooney. He's quality. It's the fact we've spent + of 65million on another 2 number 10s. One who isn't fit to play PL football and one who's a one trick pony with no one to finish his crosses.
Title: Re: Rooney...
Post by: boothill on October 30, 2017, 09:23:45 PM
I'd say Sigurdsson has quality and testicular fortitude, judging on his displays for Swansea and Iceland. He's just walked into a bit of a shitshow and not been able to show it.
Hes a viking, man
Title: Re: Rooney...
Post by: BlueForYou on October 30, 2017, 09:26:17 PM
Rooney is on another wavelength - a quality wavelength above
Title: Re: Rooney...
Post by: blueToffee on October 30, 2017, 10:11:52 PM
Common thread (apart from Rooney himself ;) ) is that a) were shite b) England have always been shite c) United were shite / dull shite for all of that time too.

Yesterday was awful yet had DCL not stepped over the ball and Niasse not been Niasse hed have been the most crucial part of 2 goals so him looking for the ball wouldnt have been a problem.

If he was taking the ball off Pirlo itd be (more of) an issue.

I do take that point, as it's fair and nobody else was trying those passes (wherefore art thou Gareth Barry?) but there is the other side of that too. The picking up the ball deep from the player 4 feet away from him and floating over it to the left or the right, which I felt like was 75% of what he was doing and it was unnecessary for him to come back and do that, or at least we should have players capable of the same. Especially as who have those people got to cross the ball into now? One guy now who is totally outnumbered as Rooney is on the halfway line.

Plus there was once again an awful give away to the opposition on the halfway line too, he has been so lucky in getting away with those.

Key question will be if we do bring Barkley back into the mix, will Rooney keep doing that? Hopefully not.
Title: Re: Rooney...
Post by: GLewis on October 30, 2017, 10:23:26 PM
I do take that point, as it's fair and nobody else was trying those passes (wherefore art thou Gareth Barry?) but there is the other side of that too. The picking up the ball deep from the player 4 feet away from him and floating over it to the left or the right, which I felt like was 75% of what he was doing and it was unnecessary for him to come back and do that, or at least we should have players capable of the same. Especially as who have those people got to cross the ball into now? One guy now who is totally outnumbered as Rooney is on the halfway line.

Plus there was once again an awful give away to the opposition on the halfway line too, he has been so lucky in getting away with those.

Key question will be if we do bring Barkley back into the mix, will Rooney keep doing that? Hopefully not.

Yes.

Unfortunately anyone else yesterday was rolling the ball at 5mph to whoever was out wide so that by the time its got there, theres one, if not two, defenders in front of them.

Schneiderlin, Barkley, presume Sigurdsson, would all improve this.
Title: Re: Rooney...
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 30, 2017, 11:42:59 PM
From ESPNFC's recap (I agree with most everything they say):

http://www.espnfc.us/club/everton/368/blog/post/3250474/phil-jagielka-leighton-baines-show-their-age-in-defeat-at-leicester

MF Wayne Rooney, 5 -- A quality pass creating a chance in each half served as fleeting glimpses of the magic that seems to be running out. Too often, more of a threat to the Everton defence than the Leicester one thanks to poor touches and sloppy passes.
Title: Re: Rooney...
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 30, 2017, 11:46:12 PM
For the record, I would go 2 up top, rotate the minutes between DCL, Sandro, and Rooney pretty much equally.  If Rooney can't maintain his position and keeps butting heads with Sigurdsson, I will give his minutes to Mirallas or God help me, Niasse I guess.

But that's all we haven't really tried, and I think it would take the pressure off everyone and allow us to get by with the personnel we have.
Title: Re: Rooney...
Post by: Coyb12 on October 31, 2017, 12:01:44 AM
This is the problem that's plagued Rooney his entire career.

He's on another wavelength to the crap we're serving up this season. I personally believe we'd score more goals if we played him up top with Barkley off him. Someone needs to come in and take the pressure off him.

My biggest worry is far from being Wayne Rooney. He's quality. It's the fact we've spent + of 65million on another 2 number 10s. One who isn't fit to play PL football and one who's a one trick pony with no one to finish his crosses.
Rooney is on another wavelength - a quality wavelength above
Stop talking sense.
Title: Re: Rooney...
Post by: bluenuck on October 31, 2017, 12:03:57 AM
For the record, I would go 2 up top, rotate the minutes between DCL, Sandro, and Rooney pretty much equally.  If Rooney can't maintain his position and keeps butting heads with Sigurdsson, I will give his minutes to Mirallas or God help me, Niasse I guess.

I don't see Unsworth doing it. I really don't.

I wanted Rooney here, but in more sparsely used role. I did not want what we're seeing, and I think he came here because he wanted to keep playing full time and, unfortunately, I think we actually offered it to him.
Title: Re: Rooney...
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 31, 2017, 12:05:52 AM
I don't see Unsworth doing it. I really don't.

I wanted Rooney here, but in more sparsely used role. I did not want what we're seeing, and I think he came here because he wanted to keep playing full time and, unfortunately, I think we actually offered it to him.

I was worried that would be the deal, re-assured that wasn't what we were doing, then Koeman turned out to be much less strong than I had hoped (and Rhino is clearly deferring to him, we will see if he continues to do so after being shown up on Sunday)
Title: Re: Rooney...
Post by: christiffa25 on October 31, 2017, 12:12:04 AM
This is the problem that's plagued Rooney his entire career.

He's on another wavelength to the crap we're serving up this season. I personally believe we'd score more goals if we played him up top with Barkley off him. Someone needs to come in and take the pressure off him.

My biggest worry is far from being Wayne Rooney. He's quality. It's the fact we've spent + of 65million on another 2 number 10s. One who isn't fit to play PL football and one who's a one trick pony with no one to finish his crosses.
This is the problem that's plagued Rooney his entire career.

He's on another wavelength to the crap we're serving up this season. I personally believe we'd score more goals if we played him up top with Barkley off him. Someone needs to come in and take the pressure off him.

My biggest worry is far from being Wayne Rooney. He's quality. It's the fact we've spent + of 65million on another 2 number 10s. One who isn't fit to play PL football and one who's a one trick pony with no one to finish his crosses.

I think your spot on here mate.

Whatever Rooney isnt anymore, in our current predicament hes the best we have available to play as the main striker.

We need Barkley back ASAP !! He makes things happen, he relieves pressure and moves us up the pitch. And regardless of peoples skewed views on him he creates a lot of chances. And is the only player in our squad that can be anywhere near on the same wavelength as Rooney.

Rooney up top, Barkley no10 for me. Mirallas also has to be playing. For all his faults, he also has goals in him. Thinking about it...hes also an option to play as the main striker!
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Post by: Jimmywhack on October 31, 2017, 12:13:00 AM
I was worried that would be the deal, re-assured that wasn't what we were doing, then Koeman turned out to be much less strong than I had hoped (and Rhino is clearly deferring to him, we will see if he continues to do so after being shown up on Sunday)
You dont think that maybe he does more in training?
Title: Re: Rooney...
Post by: bluenuck on October 31, 2017, 12:32:01 AM
I would love for rooney to play as our striker, but the problem is is he doesn't play in his position. He comes back to mid field to get the ball and there's 3 players stepping on each others toes with the opposition laughing at how easy it is to defend. He did with United a few seasons back and they looked terrible. This isn't a coincidence.

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Post by: GLewis on October 31, 2017, 01:11:16 AM
From ESPNFC's recap (I agree with most everything they say):

http://www.espnfc.us/club/everton/368/blog/post/3250474/phil-jagielka-leighton-baines-show-their-age-in-defeat-at-leicester

MF Wayne Rooney, 5 -- A quality pass creating a chance in each half served as fleeting glimpses of the magic that seems to be running out. Too often, more of a threat to the Everton defence than the Leicester one thanks to poor touches and sloppy passes.

Hmm.

They gave Kenny 6 (awful own goal) and Gueye 7 (generally poor).

Marked DCL and Niasse the same 5 (both wasting should score chances and doing little else).

Id suggest a preconceived opinion on Rooney here.
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Post by: GoodisonPk on October 31, 2017, 01:38:35 AM
I would love for rooney to play as our striker, but the problem is is he doesn't play in his position. He comes back to mid field to get the ball and there's 3 players stepping on each others toes with the opposition laughing at how easy it is to defend. He did with United a few seasons back and they looked terrible. This isn't a coincidence.

Very much this. New manager needs to get him to stay up front. Not dropping deep at all. We have many others who can drop deep. We don't have anyone else who can strike a ball like Wayne. Saves energy by staying up there to.