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Title: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Shogun on October 30, 2017, 04:35:51 AM
Play our one striker who might be good (no offence DCL) and keep it tight for an hour.

Pickford
Holgate Jagielka Williams Baines
Gana Schneiderlin Beni
Lennon Sandro Vlasic

Not likely to happen. Probably replace Sandro with Rooney.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Cereal Killer on October 30, 2017, 04:38:44 AM
                 Pickford
      Holgate Jags Williams
Kenny                          Baines
          Gana Beni Schneid
              Sigurddson
                 Sandro
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on October 30, 2017, 04:39:46 AM
Weíre out, just send the stiffs and write it off. We need to spend as much time as possible on the training to try and solve some of our numerous issues. Itís all about survival now.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on October 30, 2017, 04:42:24 AM
I suppose it gives us another chance of finding a balance but Iím leaning towards just being done with these games so we can concentrate on the PL.

I donít think somehow hobbling into the next round via a miracle would be a good thing.

In terms of the line up. I think Iíd like to see Sandro up in a two with Rooney maybe. My word we could use keeping a clean sheet though. Would keep Beni in, but is he even registered for the Europa? Iíd imagine not.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: ally2 on October 30, 2017, 04:49:30 AM
Almost got this down as a must lose game.

Go with a second string and look for evidence of who can help the first 11 (not that anyone knows what that is anyway).  Away from home so good opportunity to see Klassen and Sandro IMO, and Holgate in central defence, Robles in goal etc.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: sam of the south on October 30, 2017, 04:59:07 AM
                       Pickford
        Kenny Jagielka Williams Baines
         Rooney Baningime Sigurdsson
         Lookman Calvert-Lewin Vlasic

Robles, Holgate, Martina, Schneiderlin, Davies, Lennon, Mirallas
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Shogun on October 30, 2017, 05:14:40 AM
I suppose it gives us another chance of finding a balance but Iím leaning towards just being done with these games so we can concentrate on the PL.

I donít think somehow hobbling into the next round via a miracle would be a good thing.

In terms of the line up. I think Iíd like to see Sandro up in a two with Rooney maybe. My word we could use keeping a clean sheet though. Would keep Beni in, but is he even registered for the Europa? Iíd imagine not.

I think you're probably right about Beni, will have to keep Davies in.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: TheRam on October 30, 2017, 05:23:20 AM
Just fucking lose and get this out the way.

Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Rhys on October 30, 2017, 05:41:38 AM
In terms of the line up. I think Iíd like to see Sandro up in a two with Rooney maybe. My word we could use keeping a clean sheet though. Would keep Beni in, but is he even registered for the Europa? Iíd imagine not.

He doesnt need to be because of his age so he will be available to play. In general it's not easy for unsworth to write off the game and focus on Watford because when you only have a handful of games to make your case and lost the first 2 he probably cant afford a really poor performance and big defeat in lyon. Plus when we are losing this many games looking poor another one makes it even harder against Watford.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: brap2 on October 30, 2017, 06:06:08 AM
Yeah we are out, send them out there half cut with slippers on and let me get on with my life please.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on October 30, 2017, 06:12:17 AM
He doesnt need to be because of his age so he will be available to play. In general it's not easy for unsworth to write off the game and focus on Watford because when you only have a handful of games to make your case and lost the first 2 he probably cant afford a really poor performance and big defeat in lyon. Plus when we are losing this many games looking poor another one makes it even harder against Watford.

Yeah, I do generally believe itís better to try and win your games no matter what. Picking and choosing (as if we had that luxury) hinders any semblance of building momentum.

I think the problem Unsworth has is he I think was trying to pick a side and keep it settled with the hope of getting some cohesiveness...the opposite of Koemanís desperate scattergun approach to try and find a winning balance. However, thatís all well and good if we had settled players for many seasons all over the park but we donít. We lost our forward threat of Lukaku and Barkley and we need to find a way to make it work with what we have be it old or newer players. He does need to experiment in that regard, with an eye to the PL. As mentioned in other threads I think DCL has had more than a fair chance and we need to try others. Vlasic, Sandro, Lookman, Lennon, Mirallas, Rooney, Sigurdsson...I think Unsworth called up Henen to the first team too. Is there a combo in that Koeman didnít try?

Maybe Lookman and Lennon on the wings with Sandro and Rooney up top? Or Sandro and Mirallas with Rooney deeper?
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Shogun on October 30, 2017, 06:36:47 AM
As shit as things are, win this and we're still in with a shout.

Say we did win and assume Atalanta win at Limassol (not nailed on) then the standings will be...

Atalanta 10
Lyon 5
Everton 4
Limassol 2

We'll have Atalanta at Goodison and Limassol away left.

Granted we'd need to win those games and Atalanta to get something at home to Lyon to qualify but I really think it's possible.

Then we can get bummed 7-0 at the San Siro in the next round.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Tony Clifton on October 30, 2017, 06:51:37 AM
Robles in goal, Rooney on his own at the back, and nine others making it up for themselves as they go - as long as those nine others don't include Mirallas, Jagielka, Baines or Williams.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on October 30, 2017, 06:51:57 AM
I really hate thinking like this, but I'm thinking this cup could be the distraction that sends us deeper in the shit in the league, and I've never really thought like that with any of the cups. I think a relegation battle is a real possibility now and I'm shitting myself a bit, it's been something like 13 or 14 years since I last felt worried about relegation.
However I do understand that a good win can also rejuvenate the squad and kick start some good form (I just don't think it will).


Squad I think will be

               Pickford
     Keane Jags  Williams
Kenny                           Baines
             Schneiderlin
Vlasic       Gylfi           Mirallas
                Rooney


Tbh it could be either Rooney/Sandro/DCL/Niasse up front.

Or Schneiderlin/Benni/Gueye/McCarthy in that CDM position.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Ramjam on October 30, 2017, 07:27:30 AM
Almost got this down as a must lose game.

Go with a second string and look for evidence of who can help the first 11 (not that anyone knows what that is anyway).  Away from home so good opportunity to see Klassen and Sandro IMO, and Holgate in central defence, Robles in goal etc.

This is spot on for me
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: bluenuck on October 30, 2017, 09:09:57 AM
Wanna see sig at 10 and Sandro as CF. maybe lookman out wide.

Don't really care after that. Just want sig to get going. We know he's good and we will need him for PL games.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Macca77 on October 30, 2017, 01:28:50 PM
Only good thing about this game is the early kickoff which means ill miss it
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Sir Stealth on October 30, 2017, 01:44:16 PM
                 Robles

Kenny Holgate Williams Martina

Lookman Klaassen Besic Mirallas
               Sigurdsson
                Sandro

The last thing we want to do is knacker our starting line up for Sunday, lose that and it could be catastrophic. We've already done most of the damage for this Europa League campaign, may as well give game time to those who need it like Sandro, Klaassen, Lookman, Besic (if he's even match fit
Hard not to worry about a total Tonking no matter what team is out there
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Jimmywhack on October 30, 2017, 01:49:07 PM
Cba
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Goughie on October 30, 2017, 01:49:57 PM
No point going anywhere to lose. We need wins, and a W breads confidence.
Id take this as an opportunity to try other combos, and if they dont work; so be it-it wont have effected out league position.
Personally think we need to give Sandro a run out. He was a natural goalscorer and finisher last year. Play Sig behind him, in his central 10 role. Have Lookman on 1 wing and Vlasic the other. With instruction to keep wide and get to the by-line as  often as possible.
Id play Robles in goal incase Pickford gets injured.
Defence...i dont have a clue im afraid!
Kenny Holgate Jags Baines (nobody else)
MF Beni Morgan S

So
.    Robles
Kenny Holgate Jags Baines
           Beni Morgan
Lookman     Sig     Vlasic
                Sandro
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: april on October 30, 2017, 02:02:48 PM
A decent performance and result would do wonders for confidence. Anything that contributes to the PL campaign is a priority now.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Faceatthefence on October 30, 2017, 02:11:55 PM
                 Robles

Kenny Holgate Williams Martina

Lookman Klaassen Besic Mirallas
               Sigurdsson
                Sandro

The last thing we want to do is knacker our starting line up for Sunday, lose that and it could be catastrophic. We've already done most of the damage for this Europa League campaign, may as well give game time to those who need it like Sandro, Klaassen, Lookman, Besic (if he's even match fit
Hard not to worry about a total Tonking no matter what team is out there
Should be the most obscure line up we can put out,sunday of much greater importance and give unswÚrth time to train an 11 capable of beating Watford.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Robioto on October 30, 2017, 02:28:27 PM
Relentless at the momnet, another tough game, but we have to play to win as we have to boost confidence somehow.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on October 30, 2017, 04:36:29 PM
Really sad it has come to this but I am not even gonna bother even checking the result here, couldn't give less of a shite.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on October 30, 2017, 04:48:49 PM
Really sad it has come to this but I am not even gonna bother even checking the result here, couldn't give less of a shite.

Madness
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Macca77 on October 30, 2017, 04:51:47 PM
Team picks itself really, Rooney in goal, Davies and Sandro at centre half, DCL at left back, Gana right back, midfield 4 of Kenny, Baines, Lookman and Pickford, with Jags ad Willams up front.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Faceatthefence on October 30, 2017, 04:57:42 PM
Team picks itself really, Rooney in goal, Davies and Sandro at centre half, DCL at left back, Gana right back, midfield 4 of Kenny, Baines, Lookman and Pickford, with Jags ad Willams up front.
Agree with most of that,but would have Joe Royle upfront....horses for courses like.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Gary1878 on October 30, 2017, 06:00:13 PM
4-5-1 / 4-3-3. Back 4 with 3 energetic midfield players to protect them - they will need it. Then pace on the counter attack. Its the only way i see us winning the game.         

            Pickford
 Kenny Wiliams Jags Baines
        Beni Gana Davies
 Mirallas     Niasse     Lennon

Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: hill135 on October 30, 2017, 06:01:16 PM
We're gonna get absolutely Barrymoored.

Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Macca77 on October 30, 2017, 06:32:31 PM
4-5-1 / 4-3-3. Back 4 with 3 energetic midfield players to protect them - they will need it. Then pace on the counter attack. Its the only way i see us winning the game.         

            Pickford
 Kenny Wiliams Jags Baines
        Beni Gana Davies
 Mirallas     Niasse     Lennon



Niasse can't play, he wasn't named in our Europa squad
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Gary1878 on October 30, 2017, 06:51:45 PM
Niasse can't play, he wasn't named in our Europa squad

Good point. Great management again there from Ronald.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: BlueForYou on October 30, 2017, 07:31:15 PM
A few out-of-favours to "prove their worth":
                                     
                                       Pickford
          Kenny       Holgate            Keane        Martina
                  Klaassen      Schneiderlin      Vlasic
                                      Sigurdsson
                  Lookman                              Sandro

(And Beni not registered)

Need our strongest available for Goodison on Sunday




Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Toddacelli on October 30, 2017, 07:40:00 PM
Really don't get some of you lot.

This is a competitive game and right now we need competitive games. Still think we should try and put out the best side to give them more time to play together. We still look like two 5-a-side teams who never met before playing in a tournament together.

The more games Unsworth and his team get to sort this shit out - the better. If that means progression in this competition too - great!
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Dr. Sponge on October 30, 2017, 08:35:19 PM
I'd like to see Big Beni and Schneiderlin together in midfield. Preferably as part of a 3, but they'd work better as a 2 than Gueye and Davies did. They're both dominant players.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on October 30, 2017, 09:14:49 PM
I'd like to see Big Beni and Schneiderlin together in midfield. Preferably as part of a 3, but they'd work better as a 2 than Gueye and Davies did. They're both dominant players.

Schneiderlin is a dominant player? Of what? Cards?
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: brap2 on October 30, 2017, 09:42:50 PM
Really not sure what's happening with Schneiderlin. So many good players performing really, really poorly.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on October 30, 2017, 10:27:11 PM
Madness

I know Lizz. Im that low about us at the moment it's terrible.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on October 30, 2017, 10:31:18 PM
I know Lizz. Im that low about us at the moment it's terrible.

I get that, but id be looking forward to watching us play any game, whether Lyon, Watford or Harrogate!

Im low too, maybe the lowest ive ever been supporting us. Doesnt stop me scrambling around for a stream or spending money i dont have on tickets.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on October 30, 2017, 10:36:55 PM
I get that, but id be looking forward to watching us play any game, whether Lyon, Watford or Harrogate!

Im low too, maybe the lowest ive ever been supporting us. Doesnt stop me scrambling around for a stream or spending money i dont have on tickets.

That's the thing, I am usually that way inclined too.

I think after being taken over and spending £150 odd million and somehow contriving to worrying about staying up is the most Everton thing ever, just a bit exhausted by us and its taking its toll now.

Despite everything I have said mind, by Thursday I will most likely end up watching the game to be honest, will be over it by then, guess thats the cycle of being an Evertonian though isn't it.

Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: kramer0 on October 30, 2017, 10:38:43 PM
I think we'd see much better performances from Schneiderlin playing at the base of a midfield three, like Baningime has in his last two appearances. Our spacing is good in that sort of system and Schneiderlin, despite generally being safe with his passing, is very accurate when he has actual options.

The line-up I'd most like to see at some point in the near future (not necessarily mid-week if we're prioritizing Watford):

GK: Pickford
RB: Kenny
CB: Keane
CB: Jagielka
LB: Baines
DM: Schneiderlin
CM: Davies
CM: Sigurdsson
RAM: Vlasic
CF: Rooney
LAM: Mirallas

We'll have some difficulty scoring from open play (a problem not unique to that configuration) but we'll be sturdy defensively and we should be able to control the ball some, with Rooney moving side-to-side and creating overloads on the flanks (think second half against Chelsea, before the subs). Sigurdsson offers a threat from set plays, and he and Davies can join attacks (not that Sigurdsson + Davies +Mirallas/Vlasic is who you want to be aiming at after some good build-up play but it's better than nothing). Plus, we have the option to drop a midfielder and bring on Calvert-Lewin or Niasse for the last 30 minutes to chase any goals we need.

We're a slow team as currently constructed so we have no real choice but to play deliberately. For whatever it's worth, I think if we had started in a 4-3-3 against Leicester, we might have actually been able to keep them out. The bulk of their chances came from Gray drifting into the space behind Davies/Gana.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on October 30, 2017, 10:39:44 PM
That's the thing, I am usually that way inclined too.

I think after being taken over and spending £150 odd million and somehow contriving to worrying about staying up is the most Everton thing ever, just a bit exhausted by us and its taking its toll now.

Despite everything I have said mind, by Thursday I will most likely end up watching the game to be honest, will be over it by then, guess thats the cycle of being an Evertonian though isn't it.



Yeah it seems worse now than say the 90s, because it should be different. We have money etc when its unravelling a bit for me, Moshiri looks to have no clue.

It is exhausting yeah you are right there!!
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: TheRam on October 30, 2017, 10:46:57 PM
We're pretty much out of the competition so I can see why people aren't arsed at all.

I've had enough tbh. I might even go the gym and fuck this off.

Too many games, too many better things to do with my life.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Django on October 30, 2017, 10:48:30 PM
We're pretty much out of the competition so I can see why people aren't arsed at all.

I've had enough tbh. I might even go the gym and fuck this off.

Too many games, too many better things to do with my life.

You ever thought for a lad your age, just how many hours and minutes you've spent watching, reading, talking and thinking about Everton? All for what reward?

 :titanic:
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: boothill on October 30, 2017, 11:01:34 PM
I get that, but id be looking forward to watching us play any game, whether Lyon, Watford or Harrogate!

Im low too, maybe the lowest ive ever been supporting us. Doesnt stop me scrambling around for a stream or spending money i dont have on tickets.
Everton, its a dirty drug at times
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: TheRam on October 30, 2017, 11:12:36 PM
You ever thought for a lad your age, just how many hours and minutes you've spent watching, reading, talking and thinking about Everton? All for what reward?

 :titanic:

Yep. Probably explains why I'm such a miserable cunt with serious commitment and relationship issues.

Is right The Ev.

 :Horse:

Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: D15TIN on October 30, 2017, 11:14:54 PM
Might aswell give a few cast offs a go here, were out and need 3pts sunday

Robles

Martina Holgate Williams Baines

Baningime Schneiderlin Klaasen

Sigurdsson

DCL Sandro
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: D15TIN on October 30, 2017, 11:16:44 PM
A few out-of-favours to "prove their worth":
                                     
                                       Pickford
          Kenny       Holgate            Keane        Martina
                  Klaassen      Schneiderlin      Vlasic
                                      Sigurdsson
                  Lookman                              Sandro

(And Beni not registered)

Need our strongest available for Goodison on Sunday





Beni doesn't have to be - he's U21 and been at Everton for over 2 years
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Deano Blue Boy on October 30, 2017, 11:20:45 PM
Had flights and accommodation booked for this ages ago. Hope we win, and hopefully it'll be a boss atmosphere over there with no trouble.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: BlueForYou on October 30, 2017, 11:31:24 PM
I thought we had to register a 27 man squad for the League games for Europa?

Beni not included, but confusingly, the out on loan Callum Connolly is!
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Coyb12 on October 30, 2017, 11:36:03 PM
Might aswell give a few cast offs a go here, were out and need 3pts sunday

Robles

Martina Holgate Williams Baines

Baningime Schneiderlin Klaasen

Sigurdsson

DCL Sandro
I would go with that apart from baines I would throw Garbutt in.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: BlueForYou on October 30, 2017, 11:40:31 PM
Garbutt not registered for any games until January
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on October 31, 2017, 12:00:06 AM
Brexit
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Coyb12 on October 31, 2017, 12:03:15 AM
Garbutt not registered for any games until January
Didn't know that,ta.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: brap2 on October 31, 2017, 12:21:35 AM
I think we'd see much better performances from Schneiderlin playing at the base of a midfield three, like Baningime has in his last two appearances. Our spacing is good in that sort of system and Schneiderlin, despite generally being safe with his passing, is very accurate when he has actual options.

The line-up I'd most like to see at some point in the near future (not necessarily mid-week if we're prioritizing Watford):

GK: Pickford
RB: Kenny
CB: Keane
CB: Jagielka
LB: Baines
DM: Schneiderlin
CM: Davies
CM: Sigurdsson
RAM: Vlasic
CF: Rooney
LAM: Mirallas

We'll have some difficulty scoring from open play (a problem not unique to that configuration) but we'll be sturdy defensively and we should be able to control the ball some, with Rooney moving side-to-side and creating overloads on the flanks (think second half against Chelsea, before the subs). Sigurdsson offers a threat from set plays, and he and Davies can join attacks (not that Sigurdsson + Davies +Mirallas/Vlasic is who you want to be aiming at after some good build-up play but it's better than nothing). Plus, we have the option to drop a midfielder and bring on Calvert-Lewin or Niasse for the last 30 minutes to chase any goals we need.

We're a slow team as currently constructed so we have no real choice but to play deliberately. For whatever it's worth, I think if we had started in a 4-3-3 against Leicester, we might have actually been able to keep them out. The bulk of their chances came from Gray drifting into the space behind Davies/Gana.

Yes I fee the same way, tempted to try Davies / Sig and Davies / Klaassen with Schneiderlin or Gana as the single sitting DM.

Sticks in the craw to drop Gana for Schneiderlin but we need to do something to this midfield and pushing Gana up to be able to get his tackles into the side despite sacrificing forward passing isn't working for me.

henen looks to have been moved into the first team, I wonder if unsworth is thinking of using him wide forward Mirallas style or cf?

The rooney question is really plaguing me. Clearly head and shoulders technically, but his natural proclivity for dropping as deep as humanely possible isn't doing us the favours he thinks it is.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: boothill on October 31, 2017, 12:23:36 AM
Had flights and accommodation booked for this ages ago. Hope we win, and hopefully it'll be a boss atmosphere over there with no trouble.
If you can, go to an eatery called notre maison and order the beef cheek, fantastic
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: D15TIN on October 31, 2017, 12:23:56 AM
I'd play Mirallas ST against Watford
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Deano Blue Boy on October 31, 2017, 12:32:29 AM
If you can, go to an eatery called notre maison and order the beef cheek, fantastic

If I stumble across it, I will heed your advice.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: American Evertonian on October 31, 2017, 12:34:53 AM
I would just start using these games as bonus matches to experiment with the lineup and hope that we can find a winning combination. Like someone said earlier - it's about survival now.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: TheTone on October 31, 2017, 01:26:45 AM
                     Pickford
        Kenny Jagielka Williams Baines
    Lennon McCarthy Schneiderlin Gana Davies
         







                   


                    DCL
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: gizzblue on October 31, 2017, 01:49:31 AM
Would like to see Rooney and Davies not travel for this .....Bring in Sandro and Morgs. .stick with the wingers we started with against Leicester. .but with Morgs behind guaye .
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: toffee_scot on October 31, 2017, 03:01:53 AM
Sadly, I think Europa League is now too much of a distraction now that we really need to prioritise the league and sort out this fucking mess. I'd play the likes of Holgate, Robles, Klaassen, Vlasic, Lookman, Henen, Besic, Schneiderlin, Sandro, Morgan Feeney and see if any of them could impress Unsworth for a place against Watford.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Shogun on October 31, 2017, 03:08:47 AM
It's not a distraction though is it?

Lose/Draw this and we've still got to play the other two matches in the group, not like we can forfeit them.

I'd rather try and win this to play ourselves into form.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Escla on October 31, 2017, 03:23:45 AM
Yeah it seems worse now than say the 90s, because it should be different. We have money etc when its unravelling a bit for me, Moshiri looks to have no clue.

It is exhausting yeah you are right there!!

Know how you feel and I know how Cozzie feels, I cut my losses on the Lyon away, got my air miles back less tax (£35) paid months ago , hotel room at The Mercure  will go empty (non refundable pre payment)
but was I willing to spend another £150 or so on incidentals, taxis, food, booze, parking at airport etc.) to have wasted yet another two days of my life through disappointment ? No ! Yesterday, was looking forward to the Leicester game after showing a bit of spirit against Chelsea but we bottled it again, same will be against Watford on Sunday I suspect but will still take the train up from London knowing that will be Rhinos last chance to show us if we will survive.




Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Juanito on October 31, 2017, 03:46:04 AM
              Pickford
Kenny   Jags  Keane  Baines
           Schiederlin
      Klaassen   Sigurdsson
Vlasic       Sandro    Mirallas

Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Silas on October 31, 2017, 03:47:50 AM
Want us to win, want us to go all out for a victory and dont think is going out does us a favour at all. 
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: TheRam on October 31, 2017, 04:51:07 AM
Oh ffs. I've convinced myself we're getting seven points from the next three games and going through.

Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: gizzblue on October 31, 2017, 04:53:21 AM
Want us to win, want us to go all out for a victory and dont think is going out does us a favour at all.
There is nothing to lose ...why not go all guns blazing ...two up top width and pace too.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: kramer0 on October 31, 2017, 05:01:01 AM
Oh ffs. I've convinced myself we're getting seven points from the next three games and going through.



You did this to yourself.

That's a message for future you.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Thornton_19 on October 31, 2017, 05:47:01 AM
I reckon we will win this and it will be so annoying giving us a lifeline.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: di_guyo on October 31, 2017, 06:37:42 AM
Vlasic and Lookman to start for me. Let em have a go.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Toddacelli on October 31, 2017, 02:26:23 PM
                      Pickford
Kenny         Jags  Keane        Baines
                    Baningime
                    Sigurdsson
Lookman                               Vlasic
              Rooney         Sandro

Baningime and Sigurdsson playing in the middle of a midfield 4 like this:

In possession = Baningime covers as Sigurdsson gets forward as a sort of false number 10
Dispossessed = Both fall back side-by side to protect the back 4
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Juanito on October 31, 2017, 02:53:25 PM
                      Pickford
Kenny         Jags  Keane        Baines
                    Baningime
                    Sigurdsson
Lookman                               Vlasic
              Rooney         Sandro

Baningime and Sigurdsson playing in the middle of a midfield 4 like this:

In possession = Baningime covers as Sigurdsson gets forward as a sort of false number 10
Dispossessed = Both fall back side-by side to protect the back 4


Seems like a lot of work for Sigurdsson and Rooney would then end up getting in his way. Not sure you can play both in the same side.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: dazfrancis on October 31, 2017, 03:52:23 PM
                Pickford

Kenny    Keane     Jags    Baines

          Beni    Schneiderlin

Lennon       Vlasic        Mirallas
                   DCL

I don't want to see too many changes, there have been too many recently but I don't want to see Rooney starting and would prefer Vlasic > Sigurdsson.

I would like to see how Beni and Schneid together offer more protection for the back 4 but if they are step on each others toes too much I would bring McInjury on if he's fit. Although Gana hasn't played badly this season I'm not sure we would miss him much (I'm not sure what I'm basing this on  ;D  )

Lookman to come on around the 60 min mark for Lennon
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Toddacelli on October 31, 2017, 04:32:21 PM
Seems like a lot of work for Sigurdsson and Rooney would then end up getting in his way. Not sure you can play both in the same side.

Not at all. We need to defend as a team at the moment so if you're on the pitch you have a role to play when the opposition has the ball.

And for all his experience - Rooney HAS to stay in position.

If they can both do that (and I see no reason why they can't) then it should be a decent formation.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Juanito on October 31, 2017, 04:40:31 PM
Not at all. We need to defend as a team at the moment so if you're on the pitch you have a role to play when the opposition has the ball.

And for all his experience - Rooney HAS to stay in position.

If they can both do that (and I see no reason why they can't) then it should be a decent formation.

Rooney has not stayed in his position since he had that zip of pace about him, maybe 3 seasons ago. I think he drifts so much it contributes to us not having any shape or structure
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: blargins on October 31, 2017, 05:22:05 PM
Know how you feel and I know how Cozzie feels, I cut my losses on the Lyon away, got my air miles back less tax (£35) paid months ago , hotel room at The Mercure  will go empty (non refundable pre payment)
but was I willing to spend another £150 or so on incidentals, taxis, food, booze, parking at airport etc.) to have wasted yet another two days of my life through disappointment ? No ! Yesterday, was looking forward to the Leicester game after showing a bit of spirit against Chelsea but we bottled it again, same will be against Watford on Sunday I suspect but will still take the train up from London knowing that will be Rhinos last chance to show us if we will survive.






You should have gone and just enjoyed the city. It's a beautiful city.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: boothill on October 31, 2017, 07:53:50 PM
You should have gone and just enjoyed the city. It's a beautiful city.
It is a lovely city, our lady cathedral is a special building, i just stand and stare at it, beautiful it is
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: bacon sarnie on October 31, 2017, 10:33:15 PM
Would like to win this game, aye.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Macca77 on October 31, 2017, 10:37:40 PM
Winning this gives us a great chance of getting through to the knockouts, lose or draw and its goodbye Europa
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on October 31, 2017, 11:44:24 PM
Be interested to see Unsworthís starting 11. Wonder wether heíll persist with the kids or try and integrate Sigurdsson etc back into the team? Or if heíll just play the stiffs (not that weíd tell the difference).
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Shogun on November 01, 2017, 01:46:33 AM
Feeney called up to the squad.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: BlueForYou on November 01, 2017, 01:53:57 AM
Great news, about time

Not in the Europa 27 squad, though?
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on November 01, 2017, 01:55:28 AM
Great news, about time

Not in the Europa 27 squad, though?

do home grown Under 23's need to be?
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: DanDan on November 01, 2017, 02:05:31 AM
do home grown Under 23's need to be?

Going by when I used to play football manager no

If you look at Arsenals squads this season they have included loads of youngsters who wouldn't have been included
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Rhys on November 01, 2017, 03:40:05 AM
Great news, about time

Not in the Europa 27 squad, though?

If you are under 21 and been at the club think its 2 or 3 years you dont need to be registered. So Feeney and beni werent put down on the list but they are still available to play.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Normm on November 01, 2017, 04:34:05 AM
I would hope Unsy retains his trust in the kids: Davies, Beni, Dom, Lookman, & Kenny.

It's also about time Sigs took up a leading role. He does it for Iceland, he can do it for us! Leave Rooney as a possible sub., if required. Gaye performed better with Beni alongside him.

One thing is for sure: the team needs to be fired up and ready to go from the off! They will expect a limp and clueless opposition ...and so will nearly everyone else ...but let's hope this time we can get it right!

Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: brap2 on November 01, 2017, 06:28:56 AM
Wouldn't be surprised to see Henen. Has pace and has been scoring for the U23's.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Toddacelli on November 01, 2017, 02:13:01 PM
Wouldn't be surprised to see Henen. Has pace and has been scoring for the U23's.

Yeah when we got him I had real high hopes. Then I forgot he was evcen here for a while. Hopefully he's coming along nicely and ready to challenge the first team squad. Let's be honest - the opportunity is there right now if you're a striker!

Henen and DCL up front as a pair? Youth, pace, height, workrate. How would that look?
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: BlueForYou on November 01, 2017, 02:51:39 PM
If Beni and Feeney can play, put 'em in

Bizarre that Connolly was named in that 27 man squad? Out on loan!
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: TheRam on November 01, 2017, 03:28:57 PM
If Beni and Feeney can play, put 'em in

Bizarre that Connolly was named in that 27 man squad? Out on loan!

Why is it bizzare that somebody out on loan wasn't named in the squad?
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: gwells on November 01, 2017, 03:57:43 PM
           PICKFORD
KENNY HOLGATE JAGS BAINES
           SCHNEIDERLIN
  DAVIES  GYLFI  VLASIC
       SANDRO DCL/MIRALLAS
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: BlueForYou on November 01, 2017, 03:59:20 PM
Connolly was/is named in the squad, yet out on loan for a year - just as well have given a spot to Dowell

More likely to have been drafted back than Connolly, I would have thought?
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: brap2 on November 01, 2017, 04:10:45 PM
Guys for the last time young players whoíve been at the club x years donít need to be named, Connolly was probably named before he went on loan itís really not that big a deal.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: BlueForYou on November 01, 2017, 04:15:39 PM
True

Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on November 01, 2017, 05:58:06 PM
Yeah when we got him I had real high hopes. Then I forgot he was evcen here for a while. Hopefully he's coming along nicely and ready to challenge the first team squad. Let's be honest - the opportunity is there right now if you're a striker!

Henen and DCL up front as a pair? Youth, pace, height, workrate. How would that look?

Fuckin awful if they came up against some proper men who'd boot them into the top tier of the stands.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on November 01, 2017, 06:25:02 PM
I'm not particularly sensing physical tiredness from a lot of our players, and there has been a fair bit of rotation throughout the season so far. So personally, I'd go with the strongest team available and try to pull off a highly unlikely win. It probably won't happen but any sort of positive result would be a help now, and from Unsworth's point of view, he's probably only got 2 more games to audition for the job, so he won't want to just throw this game away.

Really not into watching our kids get licked 5-0. That won't help anyone.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Toddacelli on November 01, 2017, 06:25:19 PM
Fuckin awful if they came up against some proper men who'd boot them into the top tier of the stands.

Yeah but it's practically a non-contact sport in Europe...
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on November 01, 2017, 06:28:48 PM
Yeah but it's practically a non-contact sport in Europe...

Looked pretty tasty in the home leg. I actually prefer European referees, they let a lot more go than in the Premier League now, things have changed around.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Toddacelli on November 01, 2017, 06:30:50 PM
Looked pretty tasty in the home leg. I actually prefer European referees, they let a lot more go than in the Premier League now, things have changed around.

Really?

That must have passed me by. I guess I must just have taken that as 'normal'.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: School of Science on November 01, 2017, 07:05:52 PM
What stands out to me is, even with two defensive mid's to protect our back four and make us look more robust, we are still being bullied all over the park. In the PL most of the teams rely on their fullbacks to give them width an more attacking options, our fullbacks are so weak going forward and defending. Koeman has a lot to answer for, after spending so much mney, we are still totally unbalanced, with so many weaknesses. Goes without saying we need a win any win just to give our confidence and self belief a boost.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Thornton_19 on November 01, 2017, 08:23:23 PM
Reckon we should play something like this

              Pickford
Kenny Holgate Jagielka Baines

Klaassen  Sigurdson  Gueye

Vlasic                          Lookman
               Sandro


Let's rest a few whilst still fielding a strongish side.
The league game against Watford is more important than this.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: sam of the south on November 01, 2017, 11:04:14 PM
In the light of Keane not being ready until Sunday, and Rooney and Baines not travelling, this might happen

                        Pickford
         Kenny Williams Jagielka Holgate
               Baningime Schneiderlin
                       Sigurdsson
             Lookman Sandro Vlasic

Robles, Martina, Davies, Klaassen, Calvert-Lewin, Mirallas, Lennon

Win 2-0
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Paddockoldie on November 01, 2017, 11:19:26 PM
Probably better we go out really so we can focus on the prem. Even if a miracle happens and we got through could we go up against the better sides? I always want us to win but there's bigger fish to fry right now.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Cereal Killer on November 01, 2017, 11:34:32 PM
No Baines, so Kenny (R) and Lennon (L) as wingbacks with 3 CBs??
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Jimmywhack on November 01, 2017, 11:37:15 PM
No Baines, so Kenny (R) and Lennon (L) as wingbacks with 3 CBs??
Only three cbs travelled I think and unsworth has said feeney won't start
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Outworlder47 on November 01, 2017, 11:50:32 PM
Only three cbs travelled I think and unsworth has said feeney won't start

Pretty much has to be a back line of Kenny/Holgate/Williams/Martina, as Feeney is apparently the only other defender who traveled with the team.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: hill135 on November 01, 2017, 11:51:02 PM
Our pants are getting pulled well and truly down here.

They're well good at home and we're shit all round. Not optimistic
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: plumber on November 01, 2017, 11:51:52 PM
Jags also left at home.

Something like that?

Kenny - Holgate - Williams - Martina

Jesus Christ
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: brap2 on November 01, 2017, 11:55:40 PM
Looks like the message is - not arsed about EL, come home intact and prepare for Sunday.

Donít love it but I understand it.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: sam of the south on November 02, 2017, 12:26:15 AM
Oh, no Jags either?

That's madness  :wag:
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: gizzblue on November 02, 2017, 12:29:30 AM
Giving up without a fight it seems , the more i think about it .

We are still small minded despite Moshi and his alleged ambition.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on November 02, 2017, 12:53:18 AM
How on earth do we get into a position where that is potentially our back 4?
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: D15TIN on November 02, 2017, 12:55:39 AM
Looks like he's gonna play the likes of sandro and a weakened back 4, might shock us all and win, but doubt it. Focus clearly on sunday
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Macca77 on November 02, 2017, 01:01:25 AM
Just boss, 3000 fans going over there

https://twitter.com/ALANMYERSMEDIA/status/925774354192801793

Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on November 02, 2017, 02:23:29 AM
Not sure I like Williams calling his boss 'Unsy'
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: bacon sarnie on November 02, 2017, 02:31:51 AM
Battered. So much for Europe. But after saying that they'll probably win now.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: boothill on November 02, 2017, 02:46:01 AM
Not sure I like Williams calling his boss 'Unsy'
Happened when colin harvey went manager, they were all calling him col
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on November 02, 2017, 03:03:37 AM
Happened when colin harvey went manager, they were all calling him col

I didn't know that.

Just sounds weird, on one hand it shows they're comfortable with him, but I'm not sure that's stepping over the line a little nowadays. You want there to be a healthy respect from player to manager.
Then again Klopp probably dresses up as father Xmas and drops presents off at all his players.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Jimmywhack on November 02, 2017, 03:15:13 AM
I'm more arsed about unsy calling Williams captain.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: boothill on November 02, 2017, 03:21:07 AM
I didn't know that.

Just sounds weird, on one hand it shows they're comfortable with him, but I'm not sure that's stepping over the line a little nowadays. You want there to be a healthy respect from player to manager.
Then again Klopp probably dresses up as father Xmas and drops presents off at all his players.
The feeling was they were all too comfortable with each other and disipline started to suffer. Nev, sharpey and cottee have spoken about it
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Gash on November 02, 2017, 03:29:09 AM
So this has become a bit of a mates day out and a chance for Unsworth to take some of his kids on a bit of a jolly to get first team experience. I'm guessing the stories of the board being very concerned about relegation are true and we've not to bother ourselves with cups or any other distractions.

What a fucking depressing downturn this season's taken.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Waltzer on November 02, 2017, 03:47:24 AM
This is embarrassing. If we get a hiding tomorrow, which is possible, how is this going to affect moral for those involved.  It doesn't look good for us but this was an opportunity for the players to maybe find a bit of form, a decent performance And we've basically thrown in the towel
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Heisenberg on November 02, 2017, 03:55:42 AM
Don't get it at all. We played 38 games last season for this. Makes you think doesn't it, whats the point?

People paying weeks worth of wages to go and watch this. Everton just doesnt have heart anymore. Fight will you. Jesus
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: School of Science on November 02, 2017, 04:16:33 AM
So has this turned into or come into the category of another expected defeat then ? Seriously getting pissed off with this season already.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: ally2 on November 02, 2017, 04:42:32 AM
Reckon we'll go old school 4-4-2 and sit back. Should be a joy to watch!
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Buck76 on November 02, 2017, 10:49:40 AM

                    Pickford
    Kenny. Holgate Williams   Garbutt
                 Morgan             
   Vlasic            Beni.         Lookman   
               Siggy
                    Sandro
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: TSGun on November 02, 2017, 01:43:22 PM
Hoping for a good game today and a chance taken in returning to some decent kind of form.

Not expecting miracles but some confidence building would be brilliant.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Macca77 on November 02, 2017, 02:09:31 PM
https://twitter.com/Bazayoko/status/925818456070610944
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: brap2 on November 02, 2017, 02:12:13 PM
I can understand his decision to be honest. Heís getting pressure from all sides to turn it around. If he takes it seriously and gets a bumming which to be fair is quite likely then itís part of the story and pressure mounts.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on November 02, 2017, 02:32:07 PM
I just want a reaction from the players - 30 mins against Chelsea isnít enough hasnít been a sufficient reaction to think we can turn a corner. Regardless of who we pick and who weíre playing, a new manager should be able to give the players a lift to get results. And Iím not pointing the finger at Unsworth - Iím accusing the players of not having the ability or bottle. Be interested to see how we play tonight.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Escla on November 02, 2017, 03:08:31 PM
This is embarrassing. If we get a hiding tomorrow, which is possible, how is this going to affect moral for those involvedd.  It doesn't look good for us but this was an opportunity for the players to maybe find a bit of form, a decent performance And we've basically thrown in the towel

It was also an opportunity to go into the Watford game completely fucked and lose another home game against "one of the beatable sides"  would have a far more negative impact on both team morale and supporters morale, if we lose by a couple of goals only tonight but get three points on Sunday it will have paid off.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: GLewis on November 02, 2017, 03:31:07 PM
Be interesting to see if itís the normal team minus the senior players who need a rest.

Or whether itís a complete second string with most of the normal players on the bench.

Whatever itís very tough away from home in Europe against teams from the top 5 leagues.

Just hope to see some leassons learned from Leicester and try to play with organisation / solid midfield and be in the game with 20 mins to go.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Jamokachi on November 02, 2017, 03:52:21 PM
Getting up at 5 for this. Don't fuck me, Everton.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: montanatoffeefan on November 02, 2017, 04:06:37 PM
Hoping for a good game today and a chance taken in returning to some decent kind of form.

Not expecting miracles but some confidence building would be brilliant.

Question is, at this point what would constitute a confidence building performance?

Only losing 3-0?
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on November 02, 2017, 04:11:27 PM
Going to win tonight, i for one, cant wait....
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Waltzer on November 02, 2017, 04:53:05 PM
Going to win tonight, i for one, cant wait....

Love to optimism, unfortunately ive got footie at 6.30 tonight with a load of Spurs fans so no doubt they'll be gloating so could do with a moral boosting first half for my own sake!
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Big Nev on November 02, 2017, 04:57:20 PM
Getting up at 5 for this. Don't fuck me, Everton.

I got up at 5 this morning to go swim training...probably more fun.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: sam of the south on November 02, 2017, 05:04:03 PM
Getting up at 5 for this. Don't fuck me, Everton.

Last time I got woken at 5am and fucked by someone called Everton was when I holidayed in that Jamaican prison 😔
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Thornton_19 on November 02, 2017, 06:46:02 PM
I think we will win tonight. Which will be annoying.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on November 02, 2017, 06:56:23 PM
There will be a perfect HD stream in the subs forum for this tonight.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Django on November 02, 2017, 07:08:35 PM
There will be a perfect HD stream in the subs forum for this tonight.

Is this gonna be a recurring theme?
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on November 02, 2017, 07:28:45 PM
Not sure I like Williams calling his boss 'Unsy'

He's only caretaker boss, he's essentially still one of the club staff so I don't see it as that much of a problem.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on November 02, 2017, 07:35:58 PM
Don't get it me. If we had 10 games left of the season and this was a game we were looking like losing I could understand. However we're 10 games in and we're already writing everything else off in favour of making sure we don't go down. How fuckin small time does that sound?
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: SANA_DR0 on November 02, 2017, 07:42:34 PM
got a feeling our youngsters are going to win tonight!
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: brap2 on November 02, 2017, 07:49:08 PM
Question is, at this point what would constitute a confidence building performance?

Only losing 3-0?

Some felt losing to Chelsea reserves was going to be a real shot in the arm sooo...
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: brap2 on November 02, 2017, 07:49:53 PM
Is this gonna be a recurring theme?

This question is relevant to my interests.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on November 02, 2017, 08:16:14 PM
Almost an impossible situation for Unsworth and barring two wins in the next few days, he'll be criticised whatever he does. Think on balance he's right to prioritise the Watford game. Be amazed if we don't get battered tonight.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Robioto on November 02, 2017, 08:47:40 PM
I'm working late tonight so will miss this, might make use of my BT Sport subscription here though if we start well...
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on November 02, 2017, 09:00:52 PM
FS2 in America
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Gary1878 on November 02, 2017, 09:59:33 PM
I would like to see us play well in both halves of football, not just the second half. We need to start well - if we do that then maybe we have a small tiny chance of getting something
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: everton1952 on November 02, 2017, 10:04:08 PM
Almost an impossible situation for Unsworth and barring two wins in the next few days, he'll be criticised whatever he does. Think on balance he's right to prioritise the Watford game. Be amazed if we don't get battered tonight.
Agree on that. I am  not sure though what message he is sending to the 3000 loyal travelling fans he refers to in his talk. Despite our poor form I am putting out a scratch squad against Lyon, sorry folks we will do our best. Someone somewhere said always put out your best squad in any game you need to win, then whatever will be will be.   
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: boothill on November 02, 2017, 10:09:36 PM
Heart is saying we get a 1 0 win, head is saying,    forget it , you dont want to know
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: SANA_DR0 on November 02, 2017, 10:18:32 PM
Heart is saying we get a 1 0 win, head is saying,    forget it , you dont want to know

cant see us winning 1 - 0 cant see them not scoring a goal.. going to be something fun and crazy like 5-3 or 4-2 to teh blues.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: gizzblue on November 02, 2017, 10:35:46 PM
Williams to conceed two early on for bad mistakes and then get sent off for violent conduct ...then be captain again Sunday against Watford ...is what my pessimist self is telling me .
One nil Sandro scrappy goal is what my positive heart is hoping for .
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on November 02, 2017, 10:36:38 PM
Is this gonna be a recurring theme?

No idea mate but would be great if it was!
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Macca77 on November 02, 2017, 10:37:26 PM
Have faith Blues, I fancy us to nick it tonight, 7-6 to us.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Macca77 on November 02, 2017, 10:44:21 PM
https://twitter.com/Marc__T/status/926057730854531074
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Faceatthefence on November 02, 2017, 10:46:28 PM
I'm more arsed about unsy calling Williams captain.
Groot must have a spell on unsy,rewarding mediocre with captaincy.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on November 02, 2017, 10:47:25 PM
https://twitter.com/KClignez/status/926106022024015872

*sigh* we deserve better, we are great fans.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on November 02, 2017, 10:56:45 PM
Trying to rescue a Europa campaign from our current position would be tough for any team. The chances are slim to none the way we have been playing.

Give it a go, but the Watford game has to be priority.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: boothill on November 02, 2017, 10:57:05 PM
Lyon or OL, as they prefer are in a great run of form😭 with some very,very good players, i want that fekir here, hes boss. anyway their up to 3rd in ligue un, walk in the park eh lads, lads, LADS
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on November 02, 2017, 11:01:47 PM
https://twitter.com/Everton/status/926132139577565185
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on November 02, 2017, 11:02:57 PM
Henen? no striker playing? 3 fucking DMs.... ughh
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on November 02, 2017, 11:04:52 PM
I mean, I know we moan about having no strikers but at least attempt to play one hey.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Macca77 on November 02, 2017, 11:06:16 PM
Henen? no striker playing? 3 fucking DMs.... ughh

Henen tweeted earlier, said he wasn't named in the Europa league squad
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on November 02, 2017, 11:06:49 PM
Henen tweeted earlier, said he wasn't named in the Europa league squad

ah right :(
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: SANA_DR0 on November 02, 2017, 11:06:58 PM
https://twitter.com/Everton/status/926132139577565185

interesting looking team... whose the striker? i guess its Lookman?? or is it Siggy?? only thing i'd change is Lennon for Vlasic.. rest seems interesting!
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Dr. Sponge on November 02, 2017, 11:07:04 PM
Ffs
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: GLewis on November 02, 2017, 11:08:05 PM
Donít mind that actually.

Will rely on the wingers staying reasonably high and Sigurdsson dropping deep to hopefully confuse their CBs with no one to mark, who can then play balls round the corner.

Not sure whoíll score like but anyway...

Hopefully of does ok then can bring Rooney in up front drop Sigurdsson back and leave out one of the DMs for Sunday.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on November 02, 2017, 11:08:26 PM
Henen tweeted earlier, said he wasn't named in the Europa league squad

Not that he'd play anyway but seeing as we have few strikers or left backs in our squad you would think it might be prudent to dispense with one of the multitude of midfielders and maybe add a Niasse or a Garbutt in there, just in case like.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: boothill on November 02, 2017, 11:09:38 PM
What side is it on ?
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: GLewis on November 02, 2017, 11:10:00 PM
interesting looking team... whose the striker? i guess its Lookman?? or is it Siggy?? only thing i'd change is Lennon for Vlasic.. rest seems interesting!

Vlasic isnít that fast and not is Lookman (after the first 5-10 yards) so you need some genuine pace.

Would be a choice between Vlasic and Lookman, and based on performances so far Iíd have gone for Vlasic.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: GLewis on November 02, 2017, 11:10:50 PM
Not that he'd play anyway but seeing as we have few strikers or left backs in our squad you would think it might be prudent to dispense with one of the multitude of midfielders and maybe add a Niasse or a Garbutt in there, just in case like.

Canít change it until Jan...
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: TheRam on November 02, 2017, 11:10:50 PM
That team just shows how shit the squad is.

Leaves Rooney and Baines at home and we resort to martina at LB and having not striker.

Genuinely the worst back four since I've been watched this shithead club.

Be surprised if this game isn't wrapped up at 60 minutes.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Big Nev on November 02, 2017, 11:10:52 PM
at least 5 of that team can run.
Interesting.

BUT   to be fair not really bothered.
I think Unsworth will go during the International break and Dyche will come in.

You saw it here first..... well probably 201st.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on November 02, 2017, 11:11:29 PM
I think it's a cunning plan and a tactical first. We're going to be the first team to play with a false 9, a false 10 and a false 3. Just to confuse the fuck out of the opposition...and the fans...and the players.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on November 02, 2017, 11:12:04 PM
Canít change it until Jan...

I know, that's what I mean. Too late by then though.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: april on November 02, 2017, 11:12:33 PM
I have literally no idea what this will look like or how it will end.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: dax78 on November 02, 2017, 11:13:14 PM
Why no Sandro in the squad?
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on November 02, 2017, 11:13:44 PM
Sigurdsson has played as a False 9 for Swansea
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: GLewis on November 02, 2017, 11:14:09 PM
I know, that's what I mean. Too late by then though.

Says who?!

Anyway weíll have top class options bought in those positions so they still wonít get in ;)
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: GLewis on November 02, 2017, 11:15:41 PM
Sigurdsson has played as a False 9 for Swansea

Against us for one.

Obvious reservation with the line up is an even more chronic lack of goals.

At least the old version of Mirallas would have provided a fairly certain probability of scoring a good chance.

Donít have that here.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on November 02, 2017, 11:16:10 PM
Says who?!

Anyway weíll have top class options bought in those positions so they still wonít get in ;)

It'll be too late for Europe by January, in fact it'll be too late in a few hours time.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: dazfrancis on November 02, 2017, 11:16:35 PM
Does Gylfi play a similar role for Iceland?
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Thornton_19 on November 02, 2017, 11:16:36 PM
That team is amazing it's like 2008 Moyes!
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: GLewis on November 02, 2017, 11:17:46 PM
It'll be too late for Europe by January, in fact it'll be too late in a few hours time.

Negative
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on November 02, 2017, 11:17:58 PM
Against us for one.

Obvious reservation with the line up is an even more chronic lack of goals.

At least the old version of Mirallas would have provided a fairly certain probability of scoring a good chance.

Donít have that here.

Quite bold tactically. Same setup as Liverpool when Firmino starts up front.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on November 02, 2017, 11:18:03 PM
That team is amazing it's like 2008 Moyes!

At least under Moyes we had Cahill and Felli to offer a bit of presence. I'm not sure Sig and Gueye offer that threat.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: GLewis on November 02, 2017, 11:18:11 PM
Does Gylfi play a similar role for Iceland?

Think he plays cm for Iceland.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Bally on November 02, 2017, 11:18:39 PM
Ermm I'm Not actually sure what to say
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171102/d35aff784b32b805105ef7d2fe29764e.jpg)
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on November 02, 2017, 11:19:15 PM
Negative

The bookies seem to think so and they are rarely wrong.

Still, hopefully it's a masterstroke and we sneak a win.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Robioto on November 02, 2017, 11:20:04 PM
Ah the famous 3-6-0 formation (Martina doesn't count because he's shit).

I must try to be more positive, it is hard though... Could get spanked tonight with that team.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on November 02, 2017, 11:20:48 PM
Vlasic back on bench.

Funny line up.

Like it as I am not too arsed about tonight.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on November 02, 2017, 11:21:59 PM
Sigurdsson has played as a False 9 for Swansea
Played there against us last season at Goodison - and was great tbf.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on November 02, 2017, 11:22:23 PM
At least under Moyes we had Cahill and Felli to offer a bit of presence. I'm not sure Sig and Gueye offer that threat.

The threat's meant to come from the wide players running beyond the F9 into the box, in this system, like Mane and Salah do. Except we've got Lennon and Lookman.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on November 02, 2017, 11:23:26 PM
The threat's meant to come from the wide players running beyond the F9 into the box, in this system, like Mane and Salah do. Except we've got Lennon and Lookman.

Aye. I think I spot a flaw in the plan.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: nwatson on November 02, 2017, 11:24:12 PM
playing with no strikers and Sandro not even in the squad. That lad should pack his bags.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on November 02, 2017, 11:24:29 PM
Unsworth said he had a clear way he wants his teamís to play...and has named a completely random line-up and formation every game since he took charge.

Maybe he was talking about mentality and philosophy but fuck knows.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on November 02, 2017, 11:24:58 PM
playing with no strikers and Sandro not even in the squad. That lad should pack his bags.

£120,000 a week. They'll be pretty smart and expensive bags.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Normm on November 02, 2017, 11:25:15 PM
OK, hands up who saw that coming?  :eh:

Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: burkey17 on November 02, 2017, 11:25:17 PM
Think he plays cm for Iceland.
Yeh he does. They usually play a 4-4-1-1 formation and he is not always the '10' and sits as one of the CMids usually
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on November 02, 2017, 11:25:26 PM
False 9! As something other than a NSNO match thread (clique, obvs) joke.

Through the looking glass time, my Transatlantic imaginary friends and frenemies!

/also, sorry for acting like a jerk earlier this week, am having family troubles. COYB!!
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: blargins on November 02, 2017, 11:25:33 PM
Any streams?
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Jimmywhack on November 02, 2017, 11:25:38 PM
Quite bold tactically. Same setup as Liverpool when Firmino starts up front.
Yeah but their cms bomb on and produce a threat. Ours...... Less so
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on November 02, 2017, 11:25:57 PM
Weird no Sandro.

I'm firmly of the opinion that we need a different makeshift solution until January up top. DCL in the PL games is not working and is a huge part of the disfunction of the team so I think it's worth experiment to see if we can gain more traction further up the pitch in other ways.

Sandro being pretty much the only other supposed striker at the club makes it really weird that we're not trying him out in some capacity here. At least in some point in the game.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: nwatson on November 02, 2017, 11:27:47 PM
£120,000 a week. They'll be pretty smart and expensive bags.
to right, bloody expensive to have a striker on the books and not even give him an opportunity. especially when you field zero strikers.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: blargins on November 02, 2017, 11:27:58 PM
To think we were spazzing out whether he was signing for us or not.

Now it's like the only knowledge of his existence is -120k coming out of the bank account every week.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: burkey17 on November 02, 2017, 11:29:29 PM
Made up for the 3k plus Evertonians who have made the trip! Hope they have had a few today and after seeing that line-up have turned back and gone back for a few more
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Polledreng on November 02, 2017, 11:30:07 PM
playing with no strikers and Sandro not even in the squad. That lad should pack his bags.
could be injured or waiting for Unsworth to pack his bags. Very weird lineup today for a team needing 3 points
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: GLewis on November 02, 2017, 11:30:09 PM
Yeah but their cms bomb on and produce a threat. Ours...... Less so

Thought that we were planning on using Klaassen and Sigurdsson like theirs at home vs weaker teams.

Would definitely try Sigurdsson there on Sunday as a way of getting him into the team.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on November 02, 2017, 11:30:17 PM
Let's at least see how it looks. At least he's thought about it and tried summat. Chances are we're getting beat whatever team he puts out.

He can't do right for doing wrong for some people.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: dunkster on November 02, 2017, 11:30:35 PM
Thank fuck it doesn't look like unsworth is going to be manager.. hasn't a fuckin clue
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: sam of the south on November 02, 2017, 11:31:36 PM
Playing the false 9 system when we've never played it before in his third audition for the manager's post is a really oddball thing to do.

Just play a striker with wingers for fuck's sake, we've got three defensive midfielder's backing them up in there after all.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: brap2 on November 02, 2017, 11:32:40 PM
WELL THEN.

Gylfi False 9? Lookman false 9?
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on November 02, 2017, 11:33:33 PM
WELL THEN.

Gylfi False 9? Lookman false 9?

Clearly Gylfi.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: brap2 on November 02, 2017, 11:35:09 PM
Clearly Gylfi.

Iíd expect so.

Gunna put my bollocks on the line here - yes I think weíll get banged, but I think we could look ok in the final third if the midfield can get it to them.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: GLewis on November 02, 2017, 11:35:50 PM
Let's at least see how it looks. At least he's thought about it and tried summat. Chances are we're getting beat whatever team he puts out.

He can't do right for doing wrong for some people.

Given that you can count Rooney as injured if heís being rested for the weekend, heís come up with a formation and line up to try and get round having no decent striker option.

Lot of emphasis on Schneiderlin and Sigurdsson to find the wingers but theyíre not incapable.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: dunkster on November 02, 2017, 11:36:17 PM
Really not sure i want to watch it. If he was resting the old guys and presumably therefore not being particularly bothered about the result then why not play sandro and klaasen??!!
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on November 02, 2017, 11:38:55 PM
Let's at least see how it looks. At least he's thought about it and tried summat. Chances are we're getting beat whatever team he puts out.

He can't do right for doing wrong for some people.

We need to find a system that works with the players we have given the recruitment issues. Right now these are the games to experiment in. I'm interested to see how we look up top, if we can create chances and maintain any pressure. The current setup certainly wasn't working, you'd think more people would be upset if we kept repeating the same mistakes.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on November 02, 2017, 11:39:42 PM
Any streams?
Donít do it to, mate.

Anyone who responds to this request with a link is an Ďenablerí and should be ashamed of themselves.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: GLewis on November 02, 2017, 11:39:54 PM
Obviously any positive angles re midfield and attack set up are in danger of being severely undermined by if Lyon manage to get at the defence which looks as solid as cream cheese.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on November 02, 2017, 11:41:41 PM
Obviously any positive angles re midfield and attack set up are in danger of being severely undermined by if Lyon manage to get at the defence which looks as solid as cream cheese.

That is far and away the biggest problem here to me. It's going to be very hard to judge unless the defence has some sort of collective defensive epiphany.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on November 02, 2017, 11:42:11 PM
We need to find a system that works with the players we have given the recruitment issues. Right now these are the games to experiment in. I'm interested to see how we look up top, if we can create chances and maintain any pressure. The current setup certainly wasn't working, you'd think more people would be upset if we kept repeating the same mistakes.

No matter what team he'd have put out, there would've been a few 'Ffs!', 'get him out' reactions. I'm curious to see how it looks and at least there's logic and thought behind it.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on November 02, 2017, 11:43:12 PM
Come on blues, cant wait now. Got a birra moretti, BT sport on the TV, dogs at my feet, woodburner fire lit.... Fucking fight for this.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: boothill on November 02, 2017, 11:44:21 PM
£120,000 a week. They'll be pretty smart and expensive bags.
Jokin ?
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: SANA_DR0 on November 02, 2017, 11:48:56 PM
ace stream link if anyones interested.

acestream://4ea06fb6836f1d80dcf60dfc29084674d99fdf8b
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on November 02, 2017, 11:52:13 PM
We'll see if it works. A bit of pre-match misplaced optimism probably but I'd like to see Sigurdsson take more of a leadership role in the attack. I think he could do well with that responsibility.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 02, 2017, 11:52:27 PM
Has sandro died and no one has had the heart to tell us. Cos otherwise he's a better bet than DCL. Utterly unexplainable that he can't even make the bench.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Normm on November 02, 2017, 11:52:41 PM
One thing in this team's favour is that the opposition will be confused by our line up ...

While they are trying to work out our plan (presuming there is one), hopefully we can bang in a few goals...

At this stage, that's about as positive as I can get.







Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Macca77 on November 02, 2017, 11:53:28 PM
https://twitter.com/ALANMYERSMEDIA/status/926137900701552640
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on November 02, 2017, 11:53:49 PM
Has sandro died and no one has had the heart to tell us. Cos otherwise he's a better bet than DCL. Utterly unexplainable that he can't even make the bench.

Hes a bit poo though isn't he?
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: brap2 on November 02, 2017, 11:54:08 PM
Obviously any positive angles re midfield and attack set up are in danger of being severely undermined by if Lyon manage to get at the defence which looks as solid as cream cheese.

Deffo, but thatís been happening anyway. Iím oddly fine with this set up going forward. Worry about passing from dm but maybe ms will turn up.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: kramer0 on November 02, 2017, 11:55:02 PM
Kudos to Walsh/Koeman for making this lineup possible.

Grafters, warm bodies, youngsters, and a set piece maestro. The 2017-18 Everton experience.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: blargins on November 02, 2017, 11:55:29 PM
Has sandro died and no one has had the heart to tell us. Cos otherwise he's a better bet than DCL. Utterly unexplainable that he can't even make the bench.

No, he just posted a stream at the top of this page.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: bluenuck on November 02, 2017, 11:55:59 PM
Me In August: We need a left back and a striker.

Me Now: Yup!!
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on November 02, 2017, 11:56:10 PM
Hes a bit poo though isn't he?

There has to be more to him than we've seen. You don't score 14 goals in La Liga and go through Barca academy being anonymous. He's one I think could benefit a great coach coming in.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on November 02, 2017, 11:56:52 PM
There has to be more to him than we've seen. You don't score 14 goals in La Liga and go through Barca academy being anonymous. He's one I think could benefit a great coach coming in.

I really hope so, he hasn't even looked like a footballer so far.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on November 02, 2017, 11:57:04 PM
This is a system that might have worked had Klaassan hit the ground from the off to be the third man running from midfield to get ahead of the ball and give their centre halves something to think about. With Gueye it doesn't quite work I wouldn't have thought.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Coyb12 on November 02, 2017, 11:57:09 PM
The championship looking back four is not a good idea.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: kramer0 on November 02, 2017, 11:57:23 PM
I agree that Sandro needs another look but I haven't seen any evidence that he's a striker.

So far, he's played like a man who's allergic to the penalty area. Which is a bad look if you're supposed to be scoring goals.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: bluenuck on November 02, 2017, 11:57:53 PM
.... heís come up with a formation and line up to try and get round having no decent striker option.

Sandro?
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: TheRam on November 02, 2017, 11:58:43 PM
Come on blues, cant wait now. Got a birra moretti, BT sport on the TV, dogs at my feet, woodburner fire lit.... Fucking fight for this.

Top notch beer selection.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: TheRam on November 03, 2017, 12:00:03 AM
Robbie savage ffs
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 03, 2017, 12:01:15 AM
Hes a bit poo though isn't he?

I'd much rather give sandro (who got 16 in la liga last season) the chance to play himself into form than carry on with DLC.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: kramer0 on November 03, 2017, 12:02:38 AM
Those with the US stream get to enjoy the dulcet tones of whatever Brad Friedel's accent is.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on November 03, 2017, 12:04:04 AM
Those with the US stream get to enjoy the dulcet tones of whatever Brad Friedel's accent is.

I'm a bloody ugly American and I can't place it.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on November 03, 2017, 12:04:34 AM
Link?
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on November 03, 2017, 12:04:54 AM
An Oklahoman trying to imitate a Scottish brogue?
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Macca77 on November 03, 2017, 12:06:17 AM
That'll do ref, full time now please
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on November 03, 2017, 12:07:31 AM
defence wide ass open, big shock
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Macca77 on November 03, 2017, 12:09:03 AM
Martina nailed on red before half time
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Shogun on November 03, 2017, 12:09:18 AM
What a week for Beni Beningime though, must be buzzing.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on November 03, 2017, 12:09:25 AM
That was a bit dumb by Martina. He's not going to last at this rate.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Shogun on November 03, 2017, 12:10:00 AM
To be fair to Martina, he is absolutely shite.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Coyb12 on November 03, 2017, 12:10:38 AM
Martina nailed on red before half time
He fooking shite as well.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on November 03, 2017, 12:10:41 AM
Lots of industry from Gylfi.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: kramer0 on November 03, 2017, 12:11:24 AM
Our back four is evidence that being a world class defender does not mean you know who other good defenders are.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Heisenberg on November 03, 2017, 12:11:31 AM
Every game I get really annoyed we didnt buy a striker
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on November 03, 2017, 12:14:19 AM
I'll take staying in the game and being solid for now (if we can do that).
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Heisenberg on November 03, 2017, 12:14:29 AM
Our back four is evidence that being a world class defender does not mean you know who other good defenders are.

Unsy wasnt that good
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on November 03, 2017, 12:14:54 AM
Beni brings me joy even when he's just there on the pitch doing simple things.  With his awesome hair.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: GoodisonPk on November 03, 2017, 12:16:07 AM
Gylfi will need to be hauled off at half time at this rate. Running around more than he has all year.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on November 03, 2017, 12:16:12 AM
Christ, Martina again.  He's a fucking signpost out there.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: kramer0 on November 03, 2017, 12:17:29 AM
Just give Feeney his debut already.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on November 03, 2017, 12:17:47 AM
Is there not a striker anywhere in the world available as a free agent that we could sign now ?

This cant go on.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Bally on November 03, 2017, 12:17:54 AM
fucking links are shit anyone got any
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on November 03, 2017, 12:18:02 AM
Loathe Koeman for buying that heap of absolute cack Martina.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: arteta4spain on November 03, 2017, 12:18:04 AM
Any streams guys?
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on November 03, 2017, 12:18:13 AM
Gylfi will need to be hauled off at half time at this rate. Running around more than he has all year.

Sigurdsson always puts in a lot of running. Why Koeman was a fan of him too I think.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on November 03, 2017, 12:18:35 AM
Need more from Lennon and Lookman. Gylfi's doing great.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Coyb12 on November 03, 2017, 12:19:28 AM
fucking links are shit anyone got any
Don't both.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on November 03, 2017, 12:19:44 AM
Just give Feeney his debut already.

Yeah, push Holgate over I suppose to LB?
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Macca77 on November 03, 2017, 12:20:03 AM
Take Martina off before he gets a red
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Faceatthefence on November 03, 2017, 12:20:24 AM
Gana turns into a zombie once hes crossed the half way line
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Shogun on November 03, 2017, 12:20:35 AM
How is Gylfi Sigurdsson our best striker
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on November 03, 2017, 12:20:48 AM
Lookman playing a nice de facto LB there!
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: GoodisonPk on November 03, 2017, 12:20:54 AM
Loathe Koeman for buying that heap of absolute cack Martina.

Disgraceful having a set piece specialist as your main striker in any game.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: kramer0 on November 03, 2017, 12:21:00 AM
Yeah, push Holgate over I suppose to LB?

Holgate, Kenny, a training bib. Whoever, really.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on November 03, 2017, 12:21:07 AM
How is Gylfi Sigurdsson our best striker

Everton, aren't we?
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on November 03, 2017, 12:21:08 AM
I know it runs contrary to the narrative but Martina's put a couple of good tackles in while everybody's been slagging him.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on November 03, 2017, 12:21:14 AM
When you look at this rubbish and realise we got rid of Stones and Lukaku, two of the brightest young talents in world football, for £120m+ and replaced them with Ashley Williams and Wayne Rooney for over £100m less you can see someone needs shooting higher up the food chain than Koeman.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on November 03, 2017, 12:21:54 AM
Nice from Mason there
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: keverton1971 on November 03, 2017, 12:22:01 AM
http://www.streamcomando.com/en/stream/olympique-lyonnais-everton-202458/
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: GoodisonPk on November 03, 2017, 12:22:25 AM
How is Gylfi Sigurdsson our best striker

Guy has been dead for 10 minutes now.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on November 03, 2017, 12:22:35 AM
It could easily evaporate with a goal against us, but I there have been (limited) signs of positivity here.

I think Sigurdsson has been a positive change to the front 3 so far.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on November 03, 2017, 12:23:23 AM
Holgate, Kenny, a training bib. Whoever, really.

:)
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on November 03, 2017, 12:23:43 AM
Lookman needed more support there, made a nice run.  He's a nice, positive player with impeccable workrate.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: sam of the south on November 03, 2017, 12:24:28 AM
The lad Kenny is doing well
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 03, 2017, 12:25:08 AM
fucking links are shit anyone got any


http://cricfree.sc/watch/live/olympique-lyonnais-vs-everton-live-streaming

Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: GoodisonPk on November 03, 2017, 12:25:19 AM
Sigurdsson always puts in a lot of running. Why Koeman was a fan of him too I think.

Sure. Not saying he's lazy. It's just the lone striker role is exhausting and he's showing it already.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on November 03, 2017, 12:25:31 AM
The lad Kenny is doing well

You have to be impressed by his character how he kept his head high and elevated himself after that atrocious OG (whether scored that way or not).
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 03, 2017, 12:25:37 AM
Any streams guys?

http://cricfree.sc/watch/live/olympique-lyonnais-vs-everton-live-streaming
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on November 03, 2017, 12:25:42 AM
Got a little luck there but we going to need some these days.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on November 03, 2017, 12:25:57 AM
No pressure on the winger, free header in the box. Top work, lads.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: blargins on November 03, 2017, 12:26:33 AM
My stream's so far behind, Lyon have just scored their second at Goodison!
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on November 03, 2017, 12:26:56 AM
problem is Kenny is just so damned small.  Not sure you can make it as a 0.9-ish Holgate defender.  Lyon is targeting that.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: GoodisonPk on November 03, 2017, 12:27:21 AM
Lookman needed more support there, made a nice run.  He's a nice, positive player with impeccable workrate.

How was he not playing for weeks on end under Koeman
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on November 03, 2017, 12:28:20 AM
How was he not playing for weeks on end under Koeman

Probably thought he'd get in Rooney's way.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on November 03, 2017, 12:28:48 AM
Had Schneiderlin been hanging round with James McCarthy. I'm noticing a certain cowardice on the ball.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on November 03, 2017, 12:29:39 AM
no shit, Friedel, our timing is off because many of these guys have hardly played. let alone played together and/or this formation
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Robbie Moubert on November 03, 2017, 12:31:38 AM
This is working fine for me: http://www.themustave.com/everton
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on November 03, 2017, 12:32:01 AM
Not trying to pick on him, but Martina...what was he doing there?

Lacklustre attempt at running back too.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Heisenberg on November 03, 2017, 12:32:09 AM
Had Schneiderlin been hanging round with James McCarthy. I'm noticing a certain cowardice on the ball.

Tbf he always loved a hollywood ball when he first came. Everton coach any kind of personality or risk out of players games I'm sure of it
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Coyb12 on November 03, 2017, 12:32:31 AM
Where' Lennon should be a new game.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: piggypop on November 03, 2017, 12:32:33 AM
Is there not a striker anywhere in the world available as a free agent that we could sign now ?

This cant go on.
It's even got to the stage that I watched BT Sport on Tuesday, saw Berbatov as a pundit and started wondering...
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on November 03, 2017, 12:32:58 AM
Lookman and Kenny with some creativity there.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on November 03, 2017, 12:33:44 AM
Pretty tough with Gylfi as the target man on the finish, though.  But at least we are trying.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: sam of the south on November 03, 2017, 12:34:06 AM
This French crowd are great with their incessant, tuneful chant followed by booing and whistling whenever we have the temerity to attack.

Cunts.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: blob on November 03, 2017, 12:34:09 AM
lyon are disappointing...thankfully
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: GoodisonPk on November 03, 2017, 12:34:32 AM
Have I missed something. Ashley Williams getting jeered by crowd every time he touches the ball?
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: sam of the south on November 03, 2017, 12:34:58 AM
Gana asleep there
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on November 03, 2017, 12:35:18 AM
If we had a striker this wouldnt be too bad.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on November 03, 2017, 12:35:18 AM
That Mendy looks a fucking handful. Is there a production line of hard, rapid Mendys out there?
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on November 03, 2017, 12:35:21 AM
Plenty of pluses, including Holgate looking very comfortable in central defence.  I'd play him alongside Jags on Sunday.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on November 03, 2017, 12:36:30 AM
Gana is the death of all creativity and inventiveness.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on November 03, 2017, 12:37:00 AM
Mason, making me look like a dumb asshole (not that it's a very hard task, mind).
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Coyb12 on November 03, 2017, 12:37:08 AM
Have I missed something. Ashley Williams getting jeered by crowd every time he touches the ball?
Because of what happened at goodison.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on November 03, 2017, 12:37:24 AM
Gana is the death of all creativity and inventiveness.

What the hell has happened to him?
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Macca77 on November 03, 2017, 12:37:53 AM
Just been a power cut in Bootle, i was made up for 5 minutes then it came back on again
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on November 03, 2017, 12:38:12 AM
lucky no card there
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on November 03, 2017, 12:38:53 AM
Pickford playing well
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: sam of the south on November 03, 2017, 12:39:08 AM
Nasty fall that
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: kramer0 on November 03, 2017, 12:39:31 AM
Unsworth is pretty solid tactically. As much as I didn't like the 4-4-2 against Leciester, these have been three of our most coherent starting elevens of the season.

Unsworth's starting line-ups + Koeman's subs = good manager?
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: GoodisonPk on November 03, 2017, 12:39:59 AM
Because of what happened at goodison.
Ah yes. Thanks
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: kramer0 on November 03, 2017, 12:40:27 AM
What the hell has happened to him?

Nothing. Creativity has never been part of his game. He's always been like this.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: sam of the south on November 03, 2017, 12:40:31 AM
Nice that this possible serious injury hasn't interrupted the crowds chanting.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on November 03, 2017, 12:40:36 AM
Hoping this is precautionary.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Goaljira on November 03, 2017, 12:41:19 AM
I remember this bit from Jerry Maguire.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on November 03, 2017, 12:41:35 AM
He looked spark out there !
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Macca77 on November 03, 2017, 12:41:42 AM
Whiplash there
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on November 03, 2017, 12:41:52 AM
Nothing. Creativity has never been part of his game. He's always been like this.

I don't recall it sucking the life out of things before.  But maybe that was once of many things Rom papered over.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Macca77 on November 03, 2017, 12:42:30 AM
I remember this bit from Jerry Maguire.

Hahaha this just made me choke on my pint
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: sam of the south on November 03, 2017, 12:42:38 AM
I might live to regret this, but I've always thought Besic would make a really good full-back
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on November 03, 2017, 12:42:40 AM
Hope Martina is alright. Given the time they're taking it's worrying. Hopefully just an abundance of caution.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on November 03, 2017, 12:42:48 AM
FS2 seems to think maybe Lookman going to drop to LB.  Or Gana, maybe?
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: kramer0 on November 03, 2017, 12:43:03 AM
I don't recall it sucking the life out of things before.  But maybe that was once of many things Rom papered over.

Yep. Lukaku was our entire attack.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: boothill on November 03, 2017, 12:43:21 AM
Martina been getting fed the
 posts on here, took a dive
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on November 03, 2017, 12:43:37 AM
I might live to regret this, but I've always thought Besic would make a really good full-back

We're already playing a false 9, all caution to the wind at this point.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: sam of the south on November 03, 2017, 12:43:48 AM
Poor Martina 😔
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Faceatthefence on November 03, 2017, 12:43:53 AM
Looks like besic coming on,just show em your tats mo lad theyll shit themselves.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Macca77 on November 03, 2017, 12:44:24 AM
Not good that, hasn't moved
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: blargins on November 03, 2017, 12:44:30 AM
Worried about Martina here. Taking a lot to deal with him.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on November 03, 2017, 12:44:34 AM
The poor Lyon fans are getting bored of this potentially really serious injury. Feel for them.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Robioto on November 03, 2017, 12:45:07 AM
As terrible as I think Martina is as a footballer, I don't wish anything bad on him, I hope he is alright, doesn't look good...
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: GoodisonPk on November 03, 2017, 12:45:47 AM
Hope is ok. Didn't look that nasty though. Can't tell these days with the over cautious medical attention. 20 years ago getting stretchered off like that would have been life ending.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Goaljira on November 03, 2017, 12:45:54 AM
Hahaha this just made me choke on my pint

I feel terrible now.  I thought he'd just got winded on first look. :(
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on November 03, 2017, 12:46:11 AM
As terrible as I think Martina is as a footballer, I don't wish anything bad on him, I hope he is alright, doesn't look good...

I'd like to think that goes without saying.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on November 03, 2017, 12:46:18 AM
God, how football has made me detest France.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on November 03, 2017, 12:46:28 AM
Besic should be what we need in terms of getting stuck in and having a go.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on November 03, 2017, 12:46:52 AM
Our lads looked really worried about Martina there.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Gash on November 03, 2017, 12:46:59 AM
Hopefully that was all just precautionary. It didn't look too bad a fall as he was coming down fairly slowly due to the player under him but he did seem to land right at the base of his neck.

Hopefully he's ok.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on November 03, 2017, 12:47:23 AM
are they playing Besic at RB, Kenny at LB?
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: brap2 on November 03, 2017, 12:47:44 AM
Looked unconscious. Neck brace on so hopefully no serious neck injury but certainly doesnít look great does he.

Poor lad hasnít had a great year with us.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on November 03, 2017, 12:49:29 AM
Come on lads. Get to HT, and have summat to build on!
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on November 03, 2017, 12:49:35 AM
Looked unconscious. Neck brace on so hopefully no serious neck injury but certainly doesnít look great does he.

Poor lad hasnít had a great year with us.

Unconscious is better than spinal issues.  Could easily have knocked himself out like that.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: bluenuck on November 03, 2017, 12:50:03 AM
They are all over us after that break
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on November 03, 2017, 12:50:59 AM
DCL on at HT surely...
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on November 03, 2017, 12:51:11 AM
Nice defensive shape so far
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on November 03, 2017, 12:51:36 AM
DCL on at HT surely...

60' at the latest, for Gana or Morgan
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on November 03, 2017, 12:51:41 AM
Well done Kenny and Gylfi. Excellent.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on November 03, 2017, 12:53:24 AM
Ouch.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: sam of the south on November 03, 2017, 12:53:32 AM
Williams nearly unwittingly contributing to the death of Pickford there
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Faceatthefence on November 03, 2017, 12:53:43 AM
Beginning  to seriously dislike that twat schneiderlin,offers nothing.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on November 03, 2017, 12:53:52 AM
I'm proud of our lads.  Excellent effort.  Exactly right re Besic being up for it and will give his all wherever you ask him to play.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Gash on November 03, 2017, 12:53:53 AM
Fucking hell, Pickford was lucky with that one. He'll have a stiff neck in the morning.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on November 03, 2017, 12:54:24 AM
The defence is trying to self-destruct.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: kramer0 on November 03, 2017, 12:55:17 AM
Brad Friedel thinks Lyon have been the better side.

Hot take.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Optimistic Blue on November 03, 2017, 12:55:44 AM
Think we're gonna nick this one lids
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Faceatthefence on November 03, 2017, 12:55:55 AM
Fucking Groot not happy with being a shite centre half,but tries to clean pickford out.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on November 03, 2017, 12:55:56 AM
0-0... a moral victory ;)
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on November 03, 2017, 12:56:55 AM
Honestly, I think that's just about the best first half we've had all season. Man City perhaps the only other of note.

Says a bit about our season mind you. Overall though there was a hint of a team shape and a plan I appreciated.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on November 03, 2017, 12:56:58 AM
Given what we were expecting, that wasn't too bad. Their efforts of goal weren't clear chances apart from the header Pickford saved.

Maybe need a slight rethink at the other end. Lennon and Lookman have ended up getting pinned back, isolating Gylfi.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: GLewis on November 03, 2017, 12:57:10 AM
Brad Friedel thinks Lyon have been the better side.

Hot take.

Annoys me that pundits never seem to take into account confidence etc.

Surely stretching anyoneís imagination to expect a team woefully out of form to be better than a comparable team (theoretically) that is in very good form on their own pitch?
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on November 03, 2017, 12:57:25 AM
Fucking hell, Pickford was lucky with that one. He'll have a stiff neck in the morning.

Made mine hurt a little extra even.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: TheRam on November 03, 2017, 12:57:51 AM
Spot on that from unsworth.

Lack of spark up top but that happens when you don't buy a striker.

I reckon this system is made for klassen.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Ridge on November 03, 2017, 12:58:15 AM
Unsworth is pretty solid tactically. As much as I didn't like the 4-4-2 against Leciester, these have been three of our most coherent starting elevens of the season.

Unsworth's starting line-ups + Koeman's subs = good manager?

Think Unsworth has made better subs and changes. Both Chelsea and Leicester we made changes and were better second half.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on November 03, 2017, 12:58:44 AM
We look shit. Defence all very last ditch and desperate. Offering no goal threat and midfield have no idea what to do with the ball...then make the wrong decisions when it does open up a bit.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: brap2 on November 03, 2017, 12:58:47 AM
Wow lot to talk about there to be honest.

Shape wise NOT BAD considering.

We need an outball, maybe Lennon or Lookman can be let off the leash a bit and we play into channels? Straight up top Gylfi wonít burn or out jump, but heís very good to feet I think. Doing well in a tough situation.

At the back we look a mix of back to wall grit and fucking all over the shop.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on November 03, 2017, 12:59:02 AM
tactically, Unsy has shown me quite a bit with today's effort.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: GLewis on November 03, 2017, 12:59:16 AM
Given what we were expecting, that wasn't too bad. Their efforts of goal weren't clear chances apart from the header Pickford saved.

Maybe need a slight rethink at the other end. Lennon and Lookman have ended up getting pinned back, isolating Gylfi.

Canít leave their runners though.

When you play 3 DMs itís very hard to get up the pitch (as saw away at Chelsea).

Need someone a bit more advanced to reduce the gap between front 3 but that should probably wait until later.

(A good example of why we couldnít play like this at home though)
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: kramer0 on November 03, 2017, 12:59:22 AM
Annoys me that pundits never seem to take into account confidence etc.

Surely stretching anyoneís imagination to expect a team woefully out of form to be better than a comparable team (theoretically) that is in very good form on their own pitch?

And then there's Phil Neville, who talks about confidence almost exclusively.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: School of Science on November 03, 2017, 12:59:41 AM
Well done Kenny and Gylfi. Excellent.

BD your signature is our team formation tonight.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 03, 2017, 01:00:14 AM
playing alright arent we. Be happy with a point here. Just need 1 decent result to hopefully get us going
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: bacon sarnie on November 03, 2017, 01:00:56 AM
tactically, Unsy has shown me quite a bit with today's effort.

Just has to buy a striker.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Silas on November 03, 2017, 01:00:59 AM
Very workmanlike but so far it could be worse. We need to create something somehow though
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: GLewis on November 03, 2017, 01:01:33 AM
Think Unsworth has made better subs and changes. Both Chelsea and Leicester we made changes and were better second half.

Chelsea was a good sub.

Leicester let us have the ball second half so I donít think that was as positive as made out given that we created only one chance, that Niasse miscontrolled, when 2-0 down.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on November 03, 2017, 01:01:35 AM
shit, if we beat Lyon, we really would be quite alive wouldn't we? 
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: kramer0 on November 03, 2017, 01:01:40 AM
Enjoying the general coherence of Unsworth's game plans.

Has he really been told he isn't getting the job?
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on November 03, 2017, 01:01:53 AM
Very workmanlike but so far it could be worse. We need to create something somehow though

It is.

Add a striker and dare I say it Barkley and we look more like ourselves though. At least more so than anything of late.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Escla on November 03, 2017, 01:03:30 AM
Brad Friedel thinks Lyon have been the better side.

Hot take.
Don't we all ?
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: kramer0 on November 03, 2017, 01:04:45 AM
Maybe we should give it another 15-20 minutes but how about Vlasic's dribbling ability for one of the defensive midfielders?
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: pjk on November 03, 2017, 01:04:51 AM
Time for Gylfi to score a screamer. :P
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: GLewis on November 03, 2017, 01:05:04 AM
It is.

Add a striker and dare I say it Barkley and we look more like ourselves though. At least more so than anything of late.

If we played 4-3-3 would like to see Barkley in midfield.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Ridge on November 03, 2017, 01:05:26 AM
Chelsea was a good sub.

Leicester let us have the ball second half so I donít think that was as positive as made out given that we created only one chance, that Niasse miscontrolled, when 2-0 down.

2-0 away to counter attacking Leicester is a bit of a nightmare and it takes 2 to tango. I don't think Koeman would have committed much going forward and I think Martinez would have seen us getting pumped. You can't always get what you want, but sometimes you gave yourself a chance, and Niasse kicked every thing into orbit.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: kramer0 on November 03, 2017, 01:06:39 AM
If we played 4-3-3 would like to see Barkley in midfield.

Would love to see that. Not certain it would work but it would be a worthwhile experiment, at least.

I really do hope he plays for us again.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Faceatthefence on November 03, 2017, 01:09:28 AM
Im hoping  were playing the old rope a dope trick here,three good subs and lets hit em on the break.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Ridge on November 03, 2017, 01:10:03 AM
Personally I don't see us going through if we only get a draw, even with a win, we need 2 more results. So I think we might as well have a go to change result as game goes on.

But we've got Kenny at left back and Besic at right back, so we have some major vulnerabilities.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on November 03, 2017, 01:10:07 AM
think eventually it's DCL and Vlasic for Gana/Morgan and Lennon
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on November 03, 2017, 01:10:19 AM
Come on boys. Let's produce a great half and start to turn things around. A stodgy 1-0 win would be lovely.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on November 03, 2017, 01:10:40 AM
how did he not score? fucking hell
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on November 03, 2017, 01:11:00 AM
Im hoping  were playing the old rope a dope trick here,three good subs and lets hit em on the break.

only 2 subs left
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Ridge on November 03, 2017, 01:11:29 AM
Great opportunity
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Tinga on November 03, 2017, 01:11:31 AM
that looked like handball..
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: bigl1cks on November 03, 2017, 01:11:34 AM
We've been crap and anyone who thinks otherwise has had their expectations lowered to the pits.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 03, 2017, 01:12:30 AM
Thats a sitter. Even 1 of our really shitty strikers would have put that in
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Heisenberg on November 03, 2017, 01:12:31 AM
We need to win this. Interesting to see how they adapt
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on November 03, 2017, 01:12:41 AM
Gana man, that's just not good enough. What a fucking chance to boost everyone.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on November 03, 2017, 01:12:46 AM
seriously? how did he not fucking score.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: TheRam on November 03, 2017, 01:13:57 AM
Because he's a defensive midfielder.

Not that easy a chance for someone like him.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: blargins on November 03, 2017, 01:14:33 AM
Sigurdsson reminds me of Arteta. Runs around a lot and not a hair on his head is out of place.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on November 03, 2017, 01:14:35 AM
remember that blinder Gana scored last season?  Good times.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on November 03, 2017, 01:15:38 AM
Sigurdsson reminds me of Arteta. Runs around a lot and not a hair on his head is out of place.

I really think we will like him once the initial price furor wears off.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on November 03, 2017, 01:15:48 AM
Because he's a defensive midfielder.

Not that easy a chance for someone like him.

Nah he has to score that, just put your laces through it.... pretty much unmarked right infront of goal...
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on November 03, 2017, 01:15:55 AM
Big Morgan's stepped it up a level.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: sam of the south on November 03, 2017, 01:17:39 AM
Call me radical, but I reckon we would stand a chance of winning if Sigurdsson dropped back and took Gana's position, and a striker brought on to replace Sigurdsson upfront.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Tinga on November 03, 2017, 01:17:42 AM
Nah he has to score that, just put your laces through it.... pretty much unmarked right infront of goal...

Easier said than done though from your home isn't it.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on November 03, 2017, 01:18:03 AM
Much better organised, Unsworth doing what Dyche or Allerdyce would do so just leave him in.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: kramer0 on November 03, 2017, 01:18:06 AM
If you want to know why Gana is anywhere near Kante, you saw it in the past few minutes. (And it's nothing to do with the missed chance from earlier).

Kante has a knack for starting counters. Gana just had two or three chances to send us away and wasted them all.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on November 03, 2017, 01:18:24 AM
Fucking go ed Benni lad!
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: TheRam on November 03, 2017, 01:18:24 AM
Their fans hate Ashley Williams nearly as much as we do.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on November 03, 2017, 01:18:26 AM
I don't think it was a horrendous miss, it was on target heading to the bottom corner and they did have a guy on the line.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on November 03, 2017, 01:19:02 AM
Williams' smile after the ref telling him off was kinda funny.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on November 03, 2017, 01:19:39 AM
Easier said than done though from your home isn't it.

what a strange comment.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on November 03, 2017, 01:20:05 AM
We cant get a single break can we... not one decision or a bit of luck.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: kramer0 on November 03, 2017, 01:20:10 AM
Williams' smile after the ref telling him off was kinda funny.

He's definitely enjoying being the villain here.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: wepull on November 03, 2017, 01:20:19 AM
Any working streams good fellas?
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: sam of the south on November 03, 2017, 01:21:11 AM
Both Holgate and Besic got the ball
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on November 03, 2017, 01:21:19 AM
He's definitely enjoying being the villain here.

our wrestling heel

/Mo is jealous
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on November 03, 2017, 01:21:24 AM
Great pressing to make them go long there. Unsworth screaming his head off to press them at the back.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on November 03, 2017, 01:21:25 AM
We've been crap and anyone who thinks otherwise has had their expectations lowered to the pits.

When you're in bad form, you have to start from somewhere. It's not been amazing or anything like it but teams don't go from the run we've been on to playing good football overnight. It's a process. Hopefully this will be part of the process for us.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Tinga on November 03, 2017, 01:21:41 AM
book him then
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on November 03, 2017, 01:21:48 AM
OK well at least the ref got that right..
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: sam of the south on November 03, 2017, 01:21:51 AM
Schneiderlin's customary yellow card
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on November 03, 2017, 01:22:06 AM
Both Holgate and Besic got the ball

Extremely good, brave defending.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 03, 2017, 01:22:15 AM
Any working streams good fellas?

http://cricfree.sc/watch/live/olympique-lyonnais-vs-everton-live-streaming
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Craig_1878 on November 03, 2017, 01:22:16 AM
Clear dive that, little cunt.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: hill135 on November 03, 2017, 01:22:24 AM
Memphis looks like an absolute bell with than ginger dye job.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: kramer0 on November 03, 2017, 01:23:02 AM
Memphis looks like an absolute bell with than ginger dye job.

"Looks like"
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: sam of the south on November 03, 2017, 01:23:39 AM
THAT is why we want Lookman in the team
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Craig_1878 on November 03, 2017, 01:24:15 AM
the ref is giving silly free kicks every 2 seconds which is annoying but I think the fact he's breaking up the play suits us better. Lyon can't get into their flow and its allowing us to keep our shape.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on November 03, 2017, 01:24:18 AM
Nice run from Lookman. Glad to see some direct running again.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: TheRam on November 03, 2017, 01:24:20 AM
Got plucky 1-0 defeat all over it this.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Macca77 on November 03, 2017, 01:24:41 AM
Two bad misses
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on November 03, 2017, 01:25:06 AM
fuck, so close there.  Lookman doing great when he sees a chance to attack
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Macca77 on November 03, 2017, 01:25:09 AM
Got plucky 1-0 defeat all over it this.

Just said exactly the same
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on November 03, 2017, 01:25:18 AM
That's atrocious Lennon.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: sam of the south on November 03, 2017, 01:25:20 AM
This is what I've been wanting
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on November 03, 2017, 01:25:35 AM
DCL on for Gana
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on November 03, 2017, 01:25:36 AM
The revolution IS televised
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on November 03, 2017, 01:25:45 AM
Nothing will just run for us in front of goal.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Faceatthefence on November 03, 2017, 01:25:55 AM
How lookman wasnt considered by the dutch master baffles me
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on November 03, 2017, 01:25:58 AM
60' now, get DCL on
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: kramer0 on November 03, 2017, 01:26:07 AM
Better from Gana. Got it out of his feet quickly, allowed Gylfi to win the foul.

And he's off.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: TheRam on November 03, 2017, 01:26:10 AM
Good sub.

Sig put some shift in up top there. Well in lad
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 03, 2017, 01:26:17 AM
We look like team again. Need the result to go with this performance though. Our confidence cant handle a loss
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on November 03, 2017, 01:26:33 AM
Hmm, would have rather Vlasic I think but I hope DCL proves me wrong.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on November 03, 2017, 01:27:05 AM
Unsy's got it right.  He should link with Mola nicely, too.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on November 03, 2017, 01:28:19 AM
Vlasic next, hopefully.  Lennon maxes out around 70'
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Craig_1878 on November 03, 2017, 01:28:33 AM
Good sub that imo, we've managed to stay in the game and hopefully they'll push forward a bit more now and we can counter with pace. Come on Blues!
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on November 03, 2017, 01:28:38 AM
Last sub surely Mirallas for Lennon.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: sam of the south on November 03, 2017, 01:29:55 AM
Disgraceful award of a corner
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Tinga on November 03, 2017, 01:30:38 AM
How's that a corner..
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: TheRam on November 03, 2017, 01:31:03 AM
Siggurdson struggling in the middle of the park.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on November 03, 2017, 01:31:12 AM
Pickford with the boss smirk
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on November 03, 2017, 01:31:36 AM
good play Kenny.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on November 03, 2017, 01:32:14 AM
SO UNFAIR :(
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 03, 2017, 01:32:22 AM
Kennys been good too. had my doubts but shown a lot today
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: blob on November 03, 2017, 01:32:24 AM
bollocks
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: ncstate4jpc on November 03, 2017, 01:32:32 AM
And thatís it
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Macca77 on November 03, 2017, 01:32:36 AM
No luck whatsoever
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Tinga on November 03, 2017, 01:32:46 AM
oh man, thought that was in.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on November 03, 2017, 01:32:58 AM
Decent play, good effort.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Tinga on November 03, 2017, 01:33:04 AM
oh..they score? my streams behind.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: sam of the south on November 03, 2017, 01:33:05 AM
Not fair.

Sucks if Gana going off and a striker coming on gets flagged up as a contributory factor.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on November 03, 2017, 01:33:05 AM
Nice, Siggy!
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: TheRam on November 03, 2017, 01:33:14 AM
The fuck is Pickford doing there?
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Tinga on November 03, 2017, 01:33:38 AM
gutted.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on November 03, 2017, 01:33:41 AM
When it's not going for ya...
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on November 03, 2017, 01:33:47 AM
So we are out *sigh*
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on November 03, 2017, 01:33:49 AM
Jesus, I really am behind.  :(
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: hill135 on November 03, 2017, 01:34:10 AM
The deflection there is Morgan's third slide tackle since getting a yellow.

He needs to calm down.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Heisenberg on November 03, 2017, 01:34:13 AM
Awful positioning from holgate. That isnt a goal if jags was there
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on November 03, 2017, 01:34:14 AM
fucking Traore, too
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 03, 2017, 01:34:21 AM
feel for unsworth. Weve been so much better with him in charge but hes no chance after the results
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on November 03, 2017, 01:34:28 AM
Unlucky that
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: TheRam on November 03, 2017, 01:34:46 AM
We really aren't getting any luck are we.

Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on November 03, 2017, 01:34:53 AM
I guess we should have taken off Morgan instead of Gana.  Fuck it all.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Brownie20 on November 03, 2017, 01:34:56 AM
Heartbreaking that
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Bally on November 03, 2017, 01:34:56 AM
Fuck me sideways, a lucky bounce after a tackle all that hard work gone to fuck
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Zoolander on November 03, 2017, 01:34:57 AM
Just plain unlucky that
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Tinga on November 03, 2017, 01:35:29 AM
I hope we can survive this season.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Faceatthefence on November 03, 2017, 01:35:39 AM
Pickford rash there for the goal.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on November 03, 2017, 01:35:54 AM
Suppose this is always the risk if your game plan is to somehow sneak a 1-0 win.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: brap2 on November 03, 2017, 01:35:54 AM
Aw what a shame that is.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on November 03, 2017, 01:36:04 AM
Awful starting position from Pickford for the goal but the rest was worse
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Craig_1878 on November 03, 2017, 01:36:07 AM
I hate football at the minute, when are we going to get a break. Sick of it.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Coyb12 on November 03, 2017, 01:36:15 AM
Really what the fuck does Lennon do.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Tinga on November 03, 2017, 01:37:07 AM
Really what the fuck does Lennon do.

Fuck all.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on November 03, 2017, 01:37:45 AM
Lennon tracks back well.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: kramer0 on November 03, 2017, 01:38:06 AM
Baningime's dribbling is impressive.

Being a ball-winner is good. Being a ball-winner who can get out of trouble is fan-fucking-tastic.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: TheRam on November 03, 2017, 01:38:13 AM
Really what the fuck does Lennon do.

Presses from the front.

Supports his full back both offensively and defensively.

Links with the players around him.

Gives us much needed balance.

Gets us up the pitch.

Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on November 03, 2017, 01:39:07 AM
Baningime's dribbling is impressive.

Being a ball-winner is good. Being a ball-winner who can get out of trouble is fan-fucking-tastic.

He's really, really good.  And not the finished article.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on November 03, 2017, 01:39:14 AM
Wish they'd stop all this 'worst start by a British team' shite... what about all the one's that never even got through their qualifier !
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Macca77 on November 03, 2017, 01:39:15 AM
That there summed our current luck up
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: sam of the south on November 03, 2017, 01:39:29 AM
Best we've played this season
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Smingers on November 03, 2017, 01:39:40 AM
Can't even score a fake goal.

Smh
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on November 03, 2017, 01:39:54 AM
2-0. Goodbye Europe
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Optimistic Blue on November 03, 2017, 01:40:06 AM
Presses from the front.

Supports his full back both offensively and defensively.

Links with the players around him.

Gives us much needed balance.

Gets us up the pitch.



So runs about then?
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Smingers on November 03, 2017, 01:40:18 AM
THAT sums up our season so far
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Macca77 on November 03, 2017, 01:40:22 AM
Thats that then
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on November 03, 2017, 01:40:25 AM
Thank God that was out.  That being a miss by Holgate would have fucking destroyed my soul.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on November 03, 2017, 01:40:30 AM
Dang.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: blob on November 03, 2017, 01:40:31 AM
shite. that's it :(
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: sam of the south on November 03, 2017, 01:40:44 AM
I really dislike everything about Lyon
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: TheRam on November 03, 2017, 01:40:45 AM
This defence is seriously shocking.

Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on November 03, 2017, 01:40:48 AM
FFS
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Tinga on November 03, 2017, 01:41:01 AM
bye
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Smingers on November 03, 2017, 01:41:05 AM
Why did Pickford lead with his feet instead of his hands the first time? Scared to get football in the face
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Zoolander on November 03, 2017, 01:41:11 AM
Well thatís that then
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Tinga on November 03, 2017, 01:41:24 AM
Can we get a proper manager now please?
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on November 03, 2017, 01:41:31 AM
It's a shame. We needed a bit of luck.

This is the problem though, if you can't score we're in such a fragile position.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on November 03, 2017, 01:41:56 AM
Sickener
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Smingers on November 03, 2017, 01:42:36 AM
Time to score
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on November 03, 2017, 01:42:42 AM
I do think though that we were better pre-subs though. The balance seemed better. Albeit it was a bit unlucky for that first goal the manner it fell to the attacker.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Faceatthefence on November 03, 2017, 01:42:53 AM
This defence is seriously shocking.
Lets hope whoever comes in resigns williams to the transfer list
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on November 03, 2017, 01:42:57 AM
Can we get a proper manager now please?

It's not just a manager I fear we need. Half a dozen new players might be on the agenda too.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: TheRam on November 03, 2017, 01:43:04 AM
Perfect delivery
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Smingers on November 03, 2017, 01:43:05 AM
That would have been typical everton
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Lazarou on November 03, 2017, 01:43:07 AM
Nothing changes, can't defend and can't score.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: American Evertonian on November 03, 2017, 01:43:09 AM
Canít score and canít keep goals out. Just a waste of money this summer it seems.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Martip on November 03, 2017, 01:43:26 AM
Why did Pickford lead with his feet instead of his hands the first time? Scared to get football in the face
I'm gonna go against the grain...i don't rate him atm
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on November 03, 2017, 01:43:29 AM
Good delivery again.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: American Evertonian on November 03, 2017, 01:43:32 AM
Nothing changes, can't defend and can't score.

Beat me my 2 sec. great minds.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: indiantoffee1975 on November 03, 2017, 01:43:38 AM
Who cares about the Europa league anyway. Its shite. We have bigger fish to fry like battling against relegation. Much more exciting.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Zoolander on November 03, 2017, 01:43:45 AM
Fuck me we really were a one man team werenít we. Even worse bearing in mind how often that one man went missing in games.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Coyb12 on November 03, 2017, 01:44:01 AM
Lennon tracks back well.
48assits in 12 seasons 4 per season.Right winger.Should have been sold 18mths ago.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Bally on November 03, 2017, 01:44:08 AM
I really want to turn this off, I'm struggling here, feel like we're never gonna score again, seems like the football gods just fucking hate Everton at the minute.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: boothill on November 03, 2017, 01:44:17 AM
For 70 minutes, it was the best ive felt nearly all season, cest la vie
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on November 03, 2017, 01:44:37 AM
Morgan sent off.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on November 03, 2017, 01:44:41 AM
I'm gonna go against the grain...i don't rate him atm

I don't think he did particularly well for either goal. I don't think he's a massive problem though. Most of the goals we concede aren't keeper related.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on November 03, 2017, 01:44:42 AM
Gotta a score that Williams. Didn't need a power header that's harder to time. Any sort of glance and that's in.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Macca77 on November 03, 2017, 01:44:55 AM
We missed two very good chances and have been punished.

Schneiderlin is awful
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: TheRam on November 03, 2017, 01:45:13 AM
Yet again it's the senior players who let us down.

Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: sam of the south on November 03, 2017, 01:45:19 AM
Schneiderlin is officially a liability.

Come back, Gareth.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Sixx1402 on November 03, 2017, 01:45:29 AM
Icing on the cake
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: hill135 on November 03, 2017, 01:45:31 AM
Called it a few pages ago.

Schniederlin is shit. He's James McCarthy plus a few useless hollywood passes.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Bally on November 03, 2017, 01:45:39 AM
HahahaababahBbzbrhdhfhrkznd
Fucking hell
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on November 03, 2017, 01:46:04 AM
Took an age to pick a pass then give it away before getting sent off

Everything about that was utter shite from Schneiderlin
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: blueski on November 03, 2017, 01:46:05 AM
been working and just turned it on. I'd ask what happened but I can pretty much tell
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Faceatthefence on November 03, 2017, 01:46:12 AM
Please fuck off schneiderlin you fucking bottler.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on November 03, 2017, 01:46:22 AM
Beni is now officially our #1 DM.  Big Morgan on the shit list.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on November 03, 2017, 01:46:22 AM
we are fucking shit.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: nwatson on November 03, 2017, 01:46:38 AM
if thats the best we have played all season, we truly are awful. we have been fucking terrible from start to finish. Pickford is a liability as well. Decent Shot Stopper but thats about it.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Optimistic Blue on November 03, 2017, 01:47:04 AM
Oh for fuck sake, for every fucker who ever participated in any "lad bible" or #banter bullshit you are the reason why we have Robbie fucking Savage spouting complete nonsensical bollocks on the commentary tonight.

Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on November 03, 2017, 01:47:17 AM
We need two centre halves, a left back, a proper central midfielder to take over from that liability Schneiderlin, a striker and two wide players. Only another seven players needed. Can we have another £150m please Mosh, the last bloke blew the previous fortune on shite.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on November 03, 2017, 01:47:29 AM
We've done well tonight and I genuinely don't think this is a fair reflection.

Football's shitting on us at every opportunity at the moment.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Cereal Killer on November 03, 2017, 01:47:34 AM
Morgs making sure he doesn't need to travel to Cyprus for a meaningless game
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: TheRam on November 03, 2017, 01:48:11 AM
Rooney and Lennon aside our senior players have been disgraceful to a man.

I'm all for more of the under 23s coming in and showing them up.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Ih8redshite on November 03, 2017, 01:48:48 AM
Letís be honest the club has let its fans down massively, with the start of the problems arising from us not making ambitious footballing decisions and fucking Martinez off earlier than we did. Koeman was then the wrong choice, we didnít set the world on fire last season even tho we finished 7th. Then we get rid of our only recognised striker and was aware of the situation months before he went and then not the replace him or even get any kind of striker in is a disgrace. The whole club needs looking at from the top, serious questions need answering because this has to be the worst Iíve seen an Everton squad. Even when we where shit and fighting relegation we put a shift in, we just seem inept of ideas and canít even get the basics right.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on November 03, 2017, 01:48:53 AM
Yet again it's the senior players who let us down.



The players who cost a lot of money and who we'd be lucky to recoup a quarter of what we paid for them.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Sixx1402 on November 03, 2017, 01:48:57 AM
That's it for Unsy then, looked slightly better under him but this result will make up Moshiri's mind

Christ we really are in trouble here, we just can't score and the defence looks shit

Very very worrying
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Escla on November 03, 2017, 01:49:03 AM
Feel sorry for Unsy, he's been dealt the shitiest deck of cards imaginable and will be judged on that, ffs, you could have brought in Guardiola, Mourinho, Ancelloti, Pochettino, or any  of the big names and I doubt they could have done any better these last three games.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on November 03, 2017, 01:49:13 AM
Remember when I used to look forward to you guys telling me "fuck right off with that" for calling Scheiderlin our QB?  Good times.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: velimski on November 03, 2017, 01:49:25 AM
Can we just forfeit the  remaining 2 games?
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Craig_1878 on November 03, 2017, 01:49:32 AM
That was stupid from Morgan, its a shame as well cos I thought he played better tonight. Still not good enough from us though, you do wonder how we're gonna get out of this mess. 
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Coyb12 on November 03, 2017, 01:49:49 AM
We need two centre halves, a left back, a proper central midfielder to take over from that liability Schneiderlin, a striker and two wide players. Only another seven players needed. Can we have another £150m please Mosh, the last bloke blew the previous fortune on shite.
Yep,but we need a manager in by the weekend or we will get beat again.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: kramer0 on November 03, 2017, 01:50:34 AM
Is that persistent whistle from their supporters driving anybody else crazy?
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on November 03, 2017, 01:51:01 AM
We've done well tonight and I genuinely don't think this is a fair reflection.

Football's shitting on us at every opportunity at the moment.

I wouldn't say we've done well. We've been competent, which is what you should expect from a team worth this much. We haven't really threatened, we've been second best most of the game but we've held our shape and not embarrassed ourselves up to a point. It's not shite but it not's great either.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Bally on November 03, 2017, 01:51:07 AM
I'm fucking raging here
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Post by: Faceatthefence on November 03, 2017, 01:51:13 AM
Gotta say sig much much better than weve seen recently.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: bacon sarnie on November 03, 2017, 01:51:14 AM
Can't remember such a clueless bunch of chaps to wear the royal blue jersey. Another first in a so far long life lived. That is all.


On my birthday as well..........  :cheers:
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Heisenberg on November 03, 2017, 01:51:53 AM
I'm done with Schniderline
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Lazarou on November 03, 2017, 01:52:04 AM
Savage 'our recruitment has been poor'.

Everyone in the media was creaming themselves in the summer over our recruitment. Clueless wankers.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on November 03, 2017, 01:52:18 AM
fuck off . 3-0
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on November 03, 2017, 01:52:35 AM
Gotta say sig much much better than weve seen recently.

Whenever Sigurdsson has room to operate, he's a good player.

/also FFS it's 3
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on November 03, 2017, 01:52:56 AM
Oh dear.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Bally on November 03, 2017, 01:53:16 AM
Fuck right off
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Bally on November 03, 2017, 01:53:21 AM
Cunts
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Bally on November 03, 2017, 01:53:31 AM
Fucking cunts
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Shogun on November 03, 2017, 01:53:32 AM
What a waste of a season.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Silas on November 03, 2017, 01:53:32 AM
A good manager will get results out of this squad. Unsworth isn't that man right now
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on November 03, 2017, 01:53:38 AM
Weird thing is that everyone raved out our great buys before the season started..

Sandro and Rooney (+ DCL) looked like we had covered for Lukaku, if not like for like, plus Sig would chip in with a few.

WTF went wrong ?

Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Ell Capitan on November 03, 2017, 01:53:41 AM
This morning, for the first time in my life, I wished I was a Spurs fan.

I hate myself.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on November 03, 2017, 01:53:45 AM
Holgate
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on November 03, 2017, 01:53:50 AM
Morgan Schneiderlin is now the proud holder of the James McCarthy trophy. Which is an accolade no professional footballer should ever want attributed to them..
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Robioto on November 03, 2017, 01:53:59 AM
FFS... We were looking alright before the first.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Macca77 on November 03, 2017, 01:54:13 AM
Bottled it as soon as they scored the first
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Gary1878 on November 03, 2017, 01:54:28 AM
Lets wait until Sunday is played. I think we will beat Watford - the only people that can change this around is the players. It doesn't matter who comes in as manager, they have to stop making mistakes. Every game, there is a bad error defensively, and you can't win games shipping goals like we are.

Now 3-0. Pickford has been poor tonight unfortunately - he has made some poor decisions for every goal.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: bacon sarnie on November 03, 2017, 01:54:31 AM
All the way from Memphis. Abject shite.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on November 03, 2017, 01:54:36 AM
I wouldn't say we've done well. We've been competent, which is what you should expect from a team worth this much. We haven't really threatened, we've been second best most of the game but we've held our shape and not embarrassed ourselves up to a point. It's not shite but it not's great either.

If we weren't in a desperate position in the group (Koeman's fault) we wouldn't have to come away to the best team in the group and try to win. It would've been a good away display.

Obviously now heads have dropped and it's gone to shit. Gana should've scored that chance. Anyway fuck it, everything's going wrong.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: ynotd on November 03, 2017, 01:54:47 AM
Kenny should be stopping the fucking crosss
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on November 03, 2017, 01:54:52 AM
Holgate

Not the first time. Not too sure he's the footballer we all thought he might prove to be.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: pjk on November 03, 2017, 01:54:55 AM
Hard being an Evertonian atm.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Lazarou on November 03, 2017, 01:55:02 AM
A good manager will get results out of this squad. Unsworth isn't that man right now

Sorry I just can't see it myself. Not sure what you have seen that I have missed.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on November 03, 2017, 01:55:02 AM
Bottled it as soon as they scored the first

Confidence is that fragile.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Coyb12 on November 03, 2017, 01:55:19 AM
Holgate is woeful.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: blargins on November 03, 2017, 01:55:27 AM
So who the fuck is the answer now? Not Martinez. Not Koeman. Not Unsworth. We are in the shit.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Smingers on November 03, 2017, 01:55:30 AM
fuck off . 3-0

Turned over to the Simpsons at 2-0. First time in years I've never finished watching us on telly.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: blueski on November 03, 2017, 01:55:32 AM
probably for the best as awful as this is.  there is no way in the state we're in that we can handle playing twice a week.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on November 03, 2017, 01:56:04 AM
Bottled it as soon as they scored the first

It's that spineless backbone to the squad we have seen ever since Moyes left to be fair.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on November 03, 2017, 01:56:09 AM
Another game, more effort, but still no nearer a solution.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Craig_1878 on November 03, 2017, 01:56:25 AM
I know its not a popular choice but I wanna see Dyche as soon as possible. This defence needs sorting out and he's the man for it imo, we need to be hard to beat if we can't score goals.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Ell Capitan on November 03, 2017, 01:56:46 AM
So is this like the Utd game where we pat ourselves on the back for agood performance after getting pummelled 3/4-0?
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: TheRam on November 03, 2017, 01:56:49 AM
This is really sad.

What was a once promising performance has turned into a drubbing.

Watch Ashley Williams anytime we concede a goal. Completely loses his head and it causes us to completely lose a grip of the game.

Some players showing they're not up for the fight tonight.

Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Faceatthefence on November 03, 2017, 01:57:03 AM
Morgan Schneiderlin is now the proud holder of the James McCarthy trophy. Which is an accolade no professional footballer should ever want attributed to them..
Complete cunt of a player,no wonder utd fans didnt like him he,s a nothing player and should take that twat williams with him.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Ell Capitan on November 03, 2017, 01:57:16 AM
I know its not a popular choice but I wanna see Dyche as soon as possible. This defence needs sorting out and he's the man for it imo, we need to be hard to beat if we can't score goals.

You're right. It's not a popular choice.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Silas on November 03, 2017, 01:57:22 AM
I'm pretty certain any experienced manager can get a better performance out of this team than what we have seen this season
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on November 03, 2017, 01:57:39 AM
A good manager will get results out of this squad. Unsworth isn't that man right now

I just don't see where a win is coming from right now.

I don't think it's all about the manager though, it's the players. We have not got a single player on the pitch, or the bench for that matter, who has scored a PL goal this season.

We are at best going to hobble along until January.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on November 03, 2017, 01:58:13 AM
All over.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Macca77 on November 03, 2017, 01:58:31 AM
Limassol have equalized, fuck sake Everton
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Coyb12 on November 03, 2017, 01:58:40 AM
The johnjoe Kenny being a great prospect is bollox,holgate is crap,and Lewin ditto,future looks Rosie.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Gary1878 on November 03, 2017, 01:59:01 AM
I just don't see where a win is coming from right now.

I don't think it's all about the manager though, it's the players. We have not got a single player on the pitch, or the bench for that matter, who has scored a PL goal this season.

We are at best going to hobble along until January.

God that is the most depressing stat I have read for a long time.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: nwatson on November 03, 2017, 01:59:18 AM
have to say, i cant ever remember being embarrassed to be an Everton supporter, but i am now. the whole club is a shambles. Things are far worse than when we were penny pinching and scrapping the barrel. Instead we now have clueless management and directors who have been pretending that we are a big club with ambition. Instead the truth is, we have been carried along by Lukakus goals, as we have played shite most of the time he was here as well. If ever a club deserved to be relegated for mismanagement its us. Absolutely fucking embarrassing.






Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on November 03, 2017, 01:59:30 AM
These players that were great at their previous clubs, who we ALL thought were good buys, cant ALL have been frauds.

WTF has gone wrong as soon as they come here. It must be something deeper.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Cereal Killer on November 03, 2017, 01:59:36 AM
I just don't see where a win is coming from right now.

I don't think it's all about the manager though, it's the players. We have not got a single player on the pitch, or the bench for that matter, who has scored a PL goal this season.

We are at best going to hobble along until January.

1 shot on target and no corners, a new manager won't suddenly make the same players any more creative whilst tightening things at the back
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Lazarou on November 03, 2017, 01:59:40 AM
I just don't see where a win is coming from right now.

I don't think it's all about the manager though, it's the players. We have not got a single player on the pitch, or the bench for that matter, who has scored a PL goal this season.

We are at best going to hobble along until January.

A hobble would be a improvement, fucking dead from the waist down at the moment.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: GoodisonPk on November 03, 2017, 01:59:53 AM
So who the fuck is the answer now? Not Martinez. Not Koeman. Not Unsworth. We are in the shit.

Martinez was the right man. I know not popular on here but needed to see through the rut.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on November 03, 2017, 02:00:01 AM
I think we can beat Watford. Tonight was irrelevant really, that's the one. Watford at home is the sort of game a caretaker manager should have as first game, but we even fucked the timing of the sacking up and gave Unsworth a nightmare run.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on November 03, 2017, 02:00:05 AM
I've just had a horrible thought that it's gonna take someone like Allardyce to sort this defence out. I feel dirty now but I fear it's true. 
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Sixx1402 on November 03, 2017, 02:00:11 AM
Which decent manager is going to want this job??

No real first team striker in the team until January and even then we'll get totally bummed over a transfer fee if we can even convince any decent one to come here.

Koeman, Walsh and the board are an utter disgrace

How can you spend so long and so much on Sig but just forget about a striker

With a decent striker we'd have probably won tonight as we'd have put one of those chances in

I'm fucking pig sick with it all
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on November 03, 2017, 02:00:11 AM
Martinez was the right man. I know not popular on here but needed to see through the rut.


hahahahhahhah fucking hell.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Ridge on November 03, 2017, 02:00:11 AM
Didn't go out because we lost tonight
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: TheRam on November 03, 2017, 02:00:21 AM
I'm pretty certain any experienced manager can get a better performance out of this team than what we have seen this season

I'm really not sure what can be got out of this squad to be fair.

Put in a good performance tonight and still lose 3-0.

We're not going to get much better no matter who comes in. The squad is an absolute mess and it's going to take another two years to fix and I dread to think where we're going to be.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Ell Capitan on November 03, 2017, 02:00:47 AM
I don't think it's all about the manager though, it's the players. We have not got a single player on the pitch, or the bench for that matter, who has scored a PL goal this season.

It was the managers idiotic decision not to play anyone that has scored a goal.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: bacon sarnie on November 03, 2017, 02:00:49 AM
Can't remember the last time we scored. Or won.

Up the Eagles!
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Macca77 on November 03, 2017, 02:01:01 AM
have to say, i cant ever remember being embarrassed to be an Everton supporter, but i am now. the whole club is a shambles. Things are far worse than when we were penny pinching and scrapping the barrel. Instead we now have clueless management and directors who have been pretending that we are a big club with ambition. Instead the truth is, we have been carried along by Lukakus goals, as we have played shite most of the time he was here as well. If ever a club deserved to be relegated for mismanagement its us. Absolutely fucking embarrassing.

You obviously havent supported us for very long then
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on November 03, 2017, 02:01:12 AM
Martinez was the right man. I know not popular on here but needed to see through the rut.

True. Two seasons of mid table finishes was probably a bit unlucky, just needed things to go his way.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Ridge on November 03, 2017, 02:01:16 AM
We rested quite a few players and we had a good first 60 mins before we went for it.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on November 03, 2017, 02:02:09 AM
These players that were great at their previous clubs, who we ALL thought were good buys, cant ALL have been frauds.

WTF has gone wrong as soon as they come here. It must be something deeper.

ALL thought were good buys? Players such as who..?
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: brittcop1 on November 03, 2017, 02:02:44 AM
Gotta say sig much much better than weve seen recently.
Maybe...but thats just a reflection of how shit we've become, nothing else. WE LOST 3 NIL AND THAT WAS A FAIR RESULT...maybe 3-1. I refuse to be positive about that.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Ridge on November 03, 2017, 02:02:50 AM
Problem is goals, if you can take chances, you don't need to spend so much effort trying to force something.

After a really decent performance, caught out by couple of long balls and then fell apart.

But first home game next up
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: bacon sarnie on November 03, 2017, 02:03:06 AM
I think we can beat Watford. Tonight was irrelevant really, that's the one. Watford at home is the sort of game a caretaker manager should have as first game, but we even fucked the timing of the sacking up and gave Unsworth a nightmare run.

Watford will hold us to a goal and score more. If I'm wrong I owe you a Guinness.

Goodnight Evertonians - mine has just begun.......
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Craig_1878 on November 03, 2017, 02:03:32 AM
You're right. It's not a popular choice.

Aye, and I don't really care, he would give us what we're crying out for and we would start grinding out results. That's much more important to me than getting a 'Hollywood name', we tried that with Koeman and we all know how that turned out.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Cereal Killer on November 03, 2017, 02:03:38 AM
We rested quite a few players and we had a good first 60 mins before we went for it.

Good 60mins as in we didn't concede and had a vague shape whilst creating absolutely nothing? Dover could have done the same
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Lazarou on November 03, 2017, 02:03:47 AM
I think we can beat Watford. Tonight was irrelevant really, that's the one. Watford at home is the sort of game a caretaker manager should have as first game, but we even fucked the timing of the sacking up and gave Unsworth a nightmare run.

I just don't see where a win against Watford is coming from unless something changes i.e a manager. Otherwise there is no catalyst for change.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: brittcop1 on November 03, 2017, 02:03:54 AM
Weird thing is that everyone raved out our great buys before the season started..

Sandro and Rooney (+ DCL) looked like we had covered for Lukaku, if not like for like, plus Sig would chip in with a few.

WTF went wrong ?
Who's Sandro?????
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Coyb12 on November 03, 2017, 02:04:01 AM
I've just had a horrible thought that it's gonna take someone like Allardyce to sort this defence out. I feel dirty now but I fear it's true.
Allardyce should have been brought in till the end of the season before Unsworth got involved.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on November 03, 2017, 02:04:12 AM
It was the managers idiotic decision not to play anyone that has scored a goal.

The point was more about we don't have the players overall. This isn't about playing Rooney or not.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Ross on November 03, 2017, 02:04:21 AM
Thought we did well until we conceded and then like all teams struggling everything went against us and we capitulated. But thereís clearly good players and potential in this squad itís getting the right blend on the pitch and giving them a sensible game plan and some confidence.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: blueski on November 03, 2017, 02:04:32 AM
can't see us scoring a goal against watford to be fair
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: kramer0 on November 03, 2017, 02:04:36 AM
We're not going to get much better no matter who comes in. The squad is an absolute mess and it's going to take another two years to fix and I dread to think where we're going to be.

This is exactly why I'd rather see us sort Walsh's position than the manager.

We need to be very careful about how we rebuild because there's not a lot of margin for error.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Major Clanger on November 03, 2017, 02:05:02 AM
Well, it was worth a try but it's clear that Unsworth isn't capable of dealing with this mess. I don't blame him, few would.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Heisenberg on November 03, 2017, 02:05:05 AM
How can you rest players. How can you give up like that. After playing a full season for european football.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on November 03, 2017, 02:06:09 AM
Didn't go out because we lost tonight

Well technically, all those other loses + this one.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Silas on November 03, 2017, 02:06:38 AM
It's pretty clear that the issue isn't player ability. It's confidence. A few wins and this team will perform better. A bit of luck and everything can change
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Cuttyblue on November 03, 2017, 02:06:58 AM
I think we can beat Watford. Tonight was irrelevant really, that's the one. Watford at home is the sort of game a caretaker manager should have as first game, but we even fucked the timing of the sacking up and gave Unsworth a nightmare run.

Logged in to Like this post.  Still think the home fans will be up for it and will help us get a goal in or two, but F me we've made it hard on Rhino.

Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Macca77 on November 03, 2017, 02:07:44 AM
We beat Watford 2-0 on Sunday lads
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: School of Science on November 03, 2017, 02:07:44 AM
Disgraceful from Schneiderlin, yet again another capitulation, how did Gueye not score, could have been a different game. The young lad in midfield Bangimini was superb, hardly put a foot wrong, our mom. Sadly we played well overall, with no reward whatsoever. Criminal of Koeman/ whoever not to buy a striker, fucking criminal.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Faceatthefence on November 03, 2017, 02:10:31 AM
Banginem in and lookman/kenny are good kids no doubt,but has numerous posters have said our old guard are not even championship standard.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Sixx1402 on November 03, 2017, 02:10:52 AM
can't see us scoring a goal against watford to be fair

Can't see us scoring against anyone  :headbang:
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on November 03, 2017, 02:10:57 AM
We beat Watford 2-0 on Sunday lads

I'll be beyond amazed if we a.) win b.) score 2 goals c.) keep a clean sheet.

Genuinely, when was the last time we did all three?
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Shogun on November 03, 2017, 02:11:13 AM
Can't be surprised with that, our back 4 ended up Besic-Holgate-Williams-Kenny and I wouldn't have any of them starting with everyone fit.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: brittcop1 on November 03, 2017, 02:11:35 AM
I just don't see where a win against Watford is coming from unless something changes i.e a manager. Otherwise there is no catalyst for change.
How ironic that we think this team coukd and should be Watford but our owner thinks that Watford's manager is the dogs bollocks... not if he looses to the crap we are serving up!
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Macca77 on November 03, 2017, 02:11:40 AM
I'll be beyond amazed if we a.) win b.) score 2 goals c.) keep a clean sheet.

Genuinely, when was the last time we did all three?

Sunday
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on November 03, 2017, 02:11:41 AM
Poor fans :(

https://twitter.com/Hanstours/status/926179637008486400
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Ell Capitan on November 03, 2017, 02:12:04 AM
Aye, and I don't really care, he would give us what we're crying out for and we would start grinding out results. That's much more important to me than getting a 'Hollywood name', we tried that with Koeman and we all know how that turned out.

Those aren't are only two choices though.

Dyche is a long ball up to a big target man merchant.  There's no evidence he'd have any idea what to do with us.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Escla on November 03, 2017, 02:12:21 AM
Well, it was worth a try but it's clear that Unsworth isn't capable of dealing with this mess. I don't blame him, few would.
Many will blame him/call him the wrong choice etc. The majority of whom would have been calling for him to be given the chance two weeks ago.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on November 03, 2017, 02:13:01 AM
Beni and Lookman were great, and deserve to be in Sunday's XI on principle alone
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on November 03, 2017, 02:13:11 AM
Problem is goals, if you can take chances, you don't need to spend so much effort trying to force something.

After a really decent performance, caught out by couple of long balls and then fell apart.

But first home game next up

Generally speaking, I agree. You put Lukaku back in this side and we'd it wouldn't be anywhere near this bad. We'd probably be mid-table and we may well have hobbled along to second place in the EL group.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Escla on November 03, 2017, 02:14:45 AM
How ironic that we think this team coukd and should be Watford but our owner thinks that Watford's manager is the dogs bollocks... not if he looses to the crap we are serving up!

Where did you hear that our owner thinks Watfords manager is the dogs bollocks ? Source or its fake news !
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on November 03, 2017, 02:15:00 AM
We will sort it out I reckon.

New manager and a new window in Jan.

Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on November 03, 2017, 02:15:46 AM
I'm not sure where this £150m has gone. I'm baffled when I look at what's out there this season compared to last and if I was bankrolling this I'd be equally as concerned. I dread to think what our wage bill looks like and we need another half dozen players on top too.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Major Clanger on November 03, 2017, 02:15:59 AM
Many will blame him/call him the wrong choice etc. The majority of whom would have been calling for him to be given the chance two weeks ago.

As I said, I'm not blaming him at all. But it seems like it'll take more to sort out our team than his current expertise. No shame in that at all.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Escla on November 03, 2017, 02:17:08 AM
Beni and Lookman were great, and deserve to be in Sunday's XI on principle alone

Well if you had said "on merit" instead of on principle I would have agreed with you (didn't mean to like)
nobody should get to start on principle, only ever on performance/merit.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Major Clanger on November 03, 2017, 02:17:11 AM
How can you rest players. How can you give up like that. After playing a full season for european football.

We were practically out after the Lyon home game.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: sam of the south on November 03, 2017, 02:17:27 AM
Is that persistent whistle from their supporters driving anybody else crazy?

Yeah, shithouse club from top to bottom
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: nwatson on November 03, 2017, 02:18:33 AM
You obviously havent supported us for very long then

I have supported us for 36 years, but my memory isnt what it was after suffering amnesia. However i cant ever remember feeling so mad, frustrated, fucked off, being an Everton supporter and cant even see a glimmer of hope at the minute. The best we can hope for at the minute is to appoint Dyche on a 5 year contract to help keep us up this season but also a future of dull mid table football going forward. Moshiri has really screwed this up.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Gary1878 on November 03, 2017, 02:18:39 AM
One win will be huge and the turning point. Draws mean nothing - beating someone/something means everything mentally.

The players need to win no matter what. This sort of form has the senior players careers hanging by a thread, and is has now got critical for the club that they start performing when it matters.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Escla on November 03, 2017, 02:18:49 AM
As I said, I'm not blaming him at all. But it seems like it'll take more to sort out our team than his current expertise. No shame in that at all.
No, it was clear from your post that you were not blaming him, just saying others will despite screaming for him to be given the job two weeks ago.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Heisenberg on November 03, 2017, 02:19:18 AM
We were practically out after the Lyon home game.

Nah you play till its over regardless. We won this and atlanta beat lyon which would have been completely plausible. We could have went through. Seen crazier things happen in football. Shithouse football club
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: bluenuck on November 03, 2017, 02:20:41 AM
Press our old, mistake prone, slow defence that have zero striker to lump it to and force them to lump it to our non existent striker, which then turns possession over. Then run at our old, mistake prone, slow defence.

Pretty much the game plan for every team we play.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: gizzblue on November 03, 2017, 02:24:36 AM
Moshiri is still a kid with ant and farm and magnifying glass ...who doesn't understand why everything is on fire .
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: brap2 on November 03, 2017, 02:25:39 AM
I would drop Schneiderlin for ever and play Beni deep with Gueye and Klaassen in front.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: BlueBeagle on November 03, 2017, 02:26:26 AM
Just turned on to find out I missed the game with it being an early kick off.

I'm actually made up that I've not had to watch another shitfest.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Major Clanger on November 03, 2017, 02:26:49 AM
No, it was clear from your post that you were not blaming him, just saying others will despite screaming for him to be given the job two weeks ago.

Ah, I see. Aye, that will definitely happen unfortunately. I just hope he can go back to his old job that he did so well.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: sam of the south on November 03, 2017, 02:28:24 AM
I thought Kenny, Lookman, Baningime, and Besic and Vlasic when they came on, all did well.

On a separate note, I wonder why goalkeeping coaches have clearly told Pickford to consistently parry shots back into the centre of the box?
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: bluenuck on November 03, 2017, 02:30:04 AM
Moshiri is still a kid with ant and farm and magnifying glass ...who doesn't understand why everything is on fire .

Oh, he understands everythings on fire. New manager will be named early next week i reckon.

I think the question is, is does he understand how to put it out.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Escla on November 03, 2017, 02:30:18 AM
Moshiri is still a kid with ant and farm and magnifying glass ...who doesn't understand why everything is on fire .

So your blaming Moshiri, our financial backer who will at least deliver the new stadium , for the failings of our celebrity manager, film star salaried Director of Football and dyed in the wool, ex boys pen Chairman.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: gizzblue on November 03, 2017, 02:32:22 AM
Does anybody know if Sandro is alive and well ??.

Not saying he was the answer tonight ....just checking he's actually alive.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Macca77 on November 03, 2017, 02:33:57 AM
Does anybody know if Sandro is alive and well ??.

Not saying he was the answer tonight ....just checking he's actually alive.

Hang on, ill text him
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: gizzblue on November 03, 2017, 02:36:49 AM
So your blaming Moshiri, our financial backer who will at least deliver the new stadium , for the failings of our celebrity manager, film star salaried Director of Football and dyed in the wool, ex boys pen Chairman.
Not actually blaming anybody .....just think he's never been in this predicament before (club owning with any say in anything).....we are proof money doesn't guarantee anything these days ....and although financially we may be better ,on the pitch we are worse than I've ever witnessed .40  odd years....the two coincide no?....if he's not part of the solution an all that .
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: School of Science on November 03, 2017, 02:38:38 AM
Hang on, ill text him

Don't bother he's back in the Titanic Hotel, I would be.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: TheRam on November 03, 2017, 02:39:15 AM
Just turned on to find out I missed the game with it being an early kick off.

I'm actually made up that I've not had to watch another shitfest.

And it was the best we've played for months.

The ev
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Coyb12 on November 03, 2017, 02:42:55 AM
So your blaming Moshiri, our financial backer who will at least deliver the new stadium , for the failings of our celebrity manager, film star salaried Director of Football and dyed in the wool, ex boys pen Chairman.
Mate there will not be a New Stadium on the dock or anywhere else.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: sam of the south on November 03, 2017, 02:44:53 AM
Mate there will not be a New Stadium on the dock or anywhere else.

Who told you this?
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Macca77 on November 03, 2017, 02:45:36 AM
Mate there will not be a New Stadium on the dock or anywhere else.

Behave yourself, you know fuck all
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: GLewis on November 03, 2017, 02:46:52 AM
Not surprised at the reactions here but...

We were away at a good side where we probably would have lost had even if weíd been in good form.

We were solid for 60 mins.

The subs opened the game up and exposed a defence that no one would ever want to see against any level of opposition, let alone a good one.

We have to take the first 60 mins as the basis for Sunday, expect putting in more attack minded players the central positions, ie Rooney up front and Sigurdsson instead of Gueye / Schneiderlin.

Another option is starting Mirallas as we need more people that might actually score. We know Lennon doesnít score loads and weíve yet to see evidence that Lookman / Vlasic are going to be reliable finishers etc.

We need to keep in the game as long as possible and donít need to take risks to force the game if itís 0-0 after an hour.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Coyb12 on November 03, 2017, 02:50:19 AM
Behave yourself, you know fuck all
Within 12mths it will be common Knowledge.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Jimmywhack on November 03, 2017, 02:51:35 AM
Mate there will not be a New Stadium on the dock or anywhere else.
I'm interested to hear why you think it wont happen and what exactly will be common knowledge
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Macca77 on November 03, 2017, 02:53:08 AM
Within 12mths it will be common Knowledge.

Oh right, im convinced now
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Coyb12 on November 03, 2017, 02:54:12 AM
Oh right, im convinced now
It's not long to wait,then you can say sorry.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: sam of the south on November 03, 2017, 02:54:40 AM
I'm interested to hear why you think it wont happen and what exactly will be common knowledge

Yeah, what insider stuff have you heard, @Coyb12 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=6498)?
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: UnsyisaRhino on November 03, 2017, 02:54:55 AM
Passing on the doom and gloom, plenty of others filling the nightly quota for that.

Prior to the goal, which was flukey to say the least, I thought we were much more solid and actually looked like we had a plan. I think the first  substitution was the right one and that we looked like we could get something from the game.

After the goal we lost the plot a bit and morgan compounded that by getting himself sent off for two stupid yellows. Lad doesnt seem mentally strong enough when things arent going well.

Young lads all did well, lookman and beningime especially.

Unsworth cant catch a break, gueye should have scored, sig should have scored and we got blown up by a deflection/through ball. In our current state of 0 confidence we cant seem to respond to setbacks.

Silver lining, one less competiton to worry about.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Coyb12 on November 03, 2017, 02:56:37 AM
Yeah, what insider stuff have you heard, @Coyb12 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=6498)?
I've just said,there will not be a new stadium on the dock.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Macca77 on November 03, 2017, 02:58:54 AM
It's not long to wait,then you can say sorry.

Not a chance of that happening
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Jimmywhack on November 03, 2017, 03:01:15 AM
I've just said,there will not be a new stadium on the dock.
Why?
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: sam of the south on November 03, 2017, 03:01:41 AM
I've just said,there will not be a new stadium on the dock.

I thought you would say why or how you know.

Are we not getting a new stadium at all, then?
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on November 03, 2017, 03:07:54 AM
I've just said,there will not be a new stadium on the dock.

Sounds like the kind of off the cuff statement you hear after a few bevvies when you're pissed off at Everton and have no faith this club will ever do anything but disappoint you.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Coyb12 on November 03, 2017, 03:08:29 AM
Not a chance of that happening
Same as the stadium.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on November 03, 2017, 03:08:36 AM
Not surprised at the reactions here but...

We were away at a good side where we probably would have lost had even if weíd been in good form.

We were solid for 60 mins.

The subs opened the game up and exposed a defence that no one would ever want to see against any level of opposition, let alone a good one.

We have to take the first 60 mins as the basis for Sunday, expect putting in more attack minded players the central positions, ie Rooney up front and Sigurdsson instead of Gueye / Schneiderlin.

Another option is starting Mirallas as we need more people that might actually score. We know Lennon doesnít score loads and weíve yet to see evidence that Lookman / Vlasic are going to be reliable finishers etc.

We need to keep in the game as long as possible and donít need to take risks to force the game if itís 0-0 after an hour.

I thought Sigurdsson had one of his better games. He also was able to get some of the others involved, which I think we've been missing.

It's still about the goals though. If we assume Rooney is going to do his thing and drop back, I think we're at the point where we have to try Mirallas.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Coyb12 on November 03, 2017, 03:10:14 AM
Sounds like the kind of off the cuff statement you hear after a few bevvies when you're pissed off at Everton and have no faith this club will ever do anything but disappoint you.
Don't drink mate and just wait and see.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: GLewis on November 03, 2017, 03:14:53 AM
I thought Sigurdsson had one of his better games. He also was able to get some of the others involved, which I think we've been missing.

It's still about the goals though. If we assume Rooney is going to do his thing and drop back, I think we're at the point where we have to try Mirallas.

For me itís about taking up positions.

If Rooney drops deep then Mirallas should make runs into that gap, Sigurdsson should drift out wide etc.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: brap2 on November 03, 2017, 03:17:48 AM
Not surprised at the reactions here but...

We were away at a good side where we probably would have lost had even if weíd been in good form.

We were solid for 60 mins.

The subs opened the game up and exposed a defence that no one would ever want to see against any level of opposition, let alone a good one.

We have to take the first 60 mins as the basis for Sunday, expect putting in more attack minded players the central positions, ie Rooney up front and Sigurdsson instead of Gueye / Schneiderlin.

Another option is starting Mirallas as we need more people that might actually score. We know Lennon doesnít score loads and weíve yet to see evidence that Lookman / Vlasic are going to be reliable finishers etc.

We need to keep in the game as long as possible and donít need to take risks to force the game if itís 0-0 after an hour.

Yeah itís not a bad shout. I wasnít upset at the performance I was quite pleased with it. We started to impose ourselves a little bit and then suddenly, mistake, capitulation, game over.

@footballfactman on twitter (a blue and a stats guy) had a model that placed us at potentially 48 points last year even with lukaku, hadhis finishing been poorer/our shot stopping been worse. I would guess itís based on XG, so depends on your views on that...but the more I see of this side the more fucked I think we are.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on November 03, 2017, 03:23:46 AM
For me itís about taking up positions.

If Rooney drops deep then Mirallas should make runs into that gap, Sigurdsson should drift out wide etc.

I agree but I don't think Mirallas is that player anymore. Whether it's the legs or his game has regressed too much but he's a player who only ever faces the game now, not going the other way.
I don't think Sig is the energetic player for that either. He looks a lot less mobile than he did at Swansea for some reason, which for a lad who should be in his prime is slightly worrying.

I think the issue comes solely down to poor recruitment. Maybe between Walsh and Koeman they thought that Sandro could be the Mane in the Mirallas' position. Which even if it were true still leaves gaping holes in other areas of the pitch though.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Confucius on November 03, 2017, 03:24:07 AM
So from too many 10'e, we now have too many false 9's. HAHAH. Only Everton
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Escla on November 03, 2017, 03:25:54 AM
I've just said,there will not be a new stadium on the dock.

Obviously didn't mean to like that although I did almost laugh my cock off at the stupidity of the post, so your source of this info that "you heard"  voices in your head yeah ?
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Coyb12 on November 03, 2017, 03:39:51 AM
Obviously didn't mean to like that although I did almost laugh my cock off at the stupidity of the post, so your source of this info that "you heard"  voices in your head yeah ?
Who doesn't hear voices in their head it's normal... isn't it.Time will tell.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: GLewis on November 03, 2017, 03:44:13 AM
I agree but I don't think Mirallas is that player anymore. Whether it's the legs or his game has regressed too much but he's a player who only ever faces the game now, not going the other way.
I don't think Sig is the energetic player for that either. He looks a lot less mobile than he did at Swansea for some reason, which for a lad who should be in his prime is slightly worrying.

I think the issue comes solely down to poor recruitment. Maybe between Walsh and Koeman they thought that Sandro could be the Mane in the Mirallas' position. Which even if it were true still leaves gaping holes in other areas of the pitch though.

Yes doesnít have to be those particular players, just examples.

Re Sandro weíve got to try an get him going.

On massive money and only 22.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Brownie20 on November 03, 2017, 03:45:52 AM
Who doesn't hear voices in their head it's normal... isn't it.Time will tell.

Nah, sorry kid. If you've heard something and you've hinted at it on here you've got to have the courage of your convictions to say what you've heard. If not, then you have to expect to be called out on things. If you're wrong (as I have been when given information about info regarding Welsh players or players at Welsh clubs) you can always apologise.

So come on then - why won't we have a new stadium in the docks?
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: everton1952 on November 03, 2017, 03:48:05 AM
I am sure Sandro would get going if you put him on the pitch. The question is would he be any use at all? Almost certainly not as first Koeman and now Unsworth do not give him a look in. He must be awful if he is behind Sigurdsson and DCL in the pecking order. Ditto Klassen.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: everton1952 on November 03, 2017, 03:49:56 AM
Same as the stadium.
That is sensational news. Can you back it up? Has Moshiri gone then. Do tell.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Macca77 on November 03, 2017, 03:52:06 AM
https://twitter.com/benbluenose79/status/926189400278564864
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Coyb12 on November 03, 2017, 04:04:30 AM
Nah, sorry kid. If you've heard something and you've hinted at it on here you've got to have the courage of your convictions to say what you've heard. If not, then you have to expect to be called out on things. If you're wrong (as I have been when given information about info regarding Welsh players or players at Welsh clubs) you can always apologise.

So come on then - why won't we have a new stadium in the docks?
[/quote  Money.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Jimmywhack on November 03, 2017, 04:08:46 AM
Nah, sorry kid. If you've heard something and you've hinted at it on here you've got to have the courage of your convictions to say what you've heard. If not, then you have to expect to be called out on things. If you're wrong (as I have been when given information about info regarding Welsh players or players at Welsh clubs) you can always apologise.

So come on then - why won't we have a new stadium in the docks?
[/quote  Money.
So we have no money?
How do you know?

Moshiri seems to be well backed and have a few bob and the council seemed to have weighed in so what's happened?
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: brap2 on November 03, 2017, 04:10:04 AM
Iíll believe in that fucking stadium when Iím sat in it moaning my arse off.

Canít believe the faith some people have in this club.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Coyb12 on November 03, 2017, 04:14:37 AM
Presses from the front.

Supports his full back both offensively and defensively.

Links with the players around him.

Gives us much needed balance.

Gets us up the pitch.
Does he fuck,he is woeful,attacking non existent, absolute liability.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Coyb12 on November 03, 2017, 04:15:49 AM
Presses from the front.

Supports his full back both offensively and defensively.

Links with the players around him.

Gives us much needed balance.

Gets us up the pitch.
Does he fuck,he is woeful,attacking non existent, absolute liability.[quote author=everton1952 link=topic=94891.msg1378056#msg1378056 date=1509659
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: TheRam on November 03, 2017, 04:18:02 AM
Does he fuck,he is woeful,attacking non existent, absolute liability.

He's probably the most reliable player in the squad.

Fair enough you don't rate him as a player but to say he's a liability is nonsense.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Jamokachi on November 03, 2017, 04:23:00 AM
Nah, sorry kid. If you've heard something and you've hinted at it on here you've got to have the courage of your convictions to say what you've heard. If not, then you have to expect to be called out on things. If you're wrong (as I have been when given information about info regarding Welsh players or players at Welsh clubs) you can always apologise.

So come on then - why won't we have a new stadium in the docks?

He doesnt know anything, he's just a miserable cunt.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Brownie20 on November 03, 2017, 04:25:12 AM
He doesnt know anything, he's just a miserable cunt.

I just feel like calling out the bullshitters at the moment
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Gash on November 03, 2017, 04:25:26 AM
Cuco Martina's been released from hospital and travelling back with the rest of the squad.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Brownie20 on November 03, 2017, 04:26:37 AM
Cuco Martina's been released from hospital and travelling back with the rest of the squad.

That's good to hear.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Jimmywhack on November 03, 2017, 04:29:09 AM
Cuco Martina's been released from hospital and travelling back with the rest of the squad.
Tick tock tick tock
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: kramer0 on November 03, 2017, 04:36:08 AM
Glad he's okay and traveling home with the squad.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: D_murph0278 on November 03, 2017, 04:40:06 AM
Cuco Martina's been released from hospital and travelling back with the rest of the squad.

Just putting it out there.... There was fuck all up with him. Did anyone see the 'challenge' or lack of?
He was honestly sick of getting murdered on his wrong side whilst on a yellow card after 7 minutes. How the fuck have we ended up with players like him in our team?
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Brownie20 on November 03, 2017, 04:42:40 AM

Just putting it out there.... There was fuck all up with him. Did anyone see the 'challenge' or lack of?
He was honestly sick of getting murdered on his wrong side whilst on a yellow card after 7 minutes. How the fuck have we ended up with players like him in our team?

I've seen plenty of people get injured like that from a similar fall on the rugby pitch and fallen from that height myself having been taken out in the air. The way he landed looked pretty nasty. Could possibly have also knocked himself out
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Jimmywhack on November 03, 2017, 04:44:35 AM

Just putting it out there.... There was fuck all up with him. Did anyone see the 'challenge' or lack of?
He was honestly sick of getting murdered on his wrong side whilst on a yellow card after 7 minutes. How the fuck have we ended up with players like him in our team?
Eleven mins
We have a winner
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Ridge on November 03, 2017, 04:50:04 AM
Not surprised at the reactions here but...

We were away at a good side where we probably would have lost had even if weíd been in good form.

We were solid for 60 mins.

The subs opened the game up and exposed a defence that no one would ever want to see against any level of opposition, let alone a good one.

We have to take the first 60 mins as the basis for Sunday, expect putting in more attack minded players the central positions, ie Rooney up front and Sigurdsson instead of Gueye / Schneiderlin.

Another option is starting Mirallas as we need more people that might actually score. We know Lennon doesnít score loads and weíve yet to see evidence that Lookman / Vlasic are going to be reliable finishers etc.

We need to keep in the game as long as possible and donít need to take risks to force the game if itís 0-0 after an hour.

It's an understandable endeavour though, it's only a mistake in hindsight. In same position,  same choice, you'd make the same decision for the same reasons again. We might have got a draw, maybe we should have just tried to get a clean sheet in the last 3 matches without opening up too much. Keep shape and settle, get some security and sense of safety in the bank.

Tonight if we'd got a point, it would have been a good result away from home against a good side, but we'd have been out the competition in reality. If we could have got a goal to hang on to, maybe a win to give everyone a lift, it's such a worthwhile upside, the downside is not much worse than a draw. We can't afford to drop any points in PL, and league cup is over in a game, but we were going out of Europa barring a miracle. We could have got a win tonight and still gone out if we didn't win others in Europa.

The major problem is with goals, and trying to get some seems the easiest way out of the situation. As while we are not great defensively, we can defend fairly well, our problem is more to do with defence being exposed because we can't score. These games have all been sort of free shots to try and get something going, we've got ourselves into the matches, we've been in control for periods of matches. We've still not looked that likely to create or score at any stage, and it's probably been Lennon or Lookman who have looked most likely.

We left several key players at home for weekend, Beni has looked a really good player to bring into team. Tonight we ended up with Kenny left back and Besic right back, with Holgate in a back 4. Against Chelsea and tonight, Unsworth has been brave enough to keep something in hand for the PL games, and we may have lost to Chelsea and Lyon, but they were far more impressive performances given opponent, line up and circumstances than previous Europa games under Koeman.

It's all about the game against Watford, that's when we'll see what Unsworth thinks is his best team is.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: D_murph0278 on November 03, 2017, 04:50:14 AM
I've seen plenty of people get injured like that from a similar fall on the rugby pitch and fallen from that height myself having been taken out in the air. The way he landed looked pretty nasty. Could possibly have also knocked himself out

Im not having it.... Pickfords fall was way nastier and with bigger impact. He got up and lead the way.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: therealdunc on November 03, 2017, 04:59:39 AM
Unsworth is clueless how to change a game tactically , shown up again tonight
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Brownie20 on November 03, 2017, 04:59:48 AM

Im not having it.... Pickfords fall was way nastier and with bigger impact. He got up and lead the way.

You're entitled to believe that. But injuries are not an exact science based on the nature of a fall/collision etc
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: D_murph0278 on November 03, 2017, 05:04:52 AM
You're entitled to believe that. But injuries are not an exact science based on the nature of a fall/collision etc

Obviously you can still hurt yourself from such a fall. If you've got fucking brittle bones that is. Don't fucking patronize me with what's possible and what's not.
Phil Jagielka, Jordan Pickford, Tom Davies, Idrissa Gueye, Wayne Rooney, DCL and a couple of others would've carried on tonight. He's a useless fucking turd.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Ridge on November 03, 2017, 05:07:25 AM
I think there is also some evidence tonight of some of the rifts in the squad.

Schneiderlin's 2nd red card this season, was stupid and unnecessary, it wasn't a team tackle, it was a selfish tackle and he didn't look that bothered.

Vlasic running his boot down that guys achilles was not a pleasant watch. When I watched it back, I thought it looked intentional.

Also Cuco had been having a decent game. When he was down, he was surrounded by Lyon players. Don't recall anyone seeing if he was alright and that looked quite a serious incident as time went on.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DNqTnlJW0AET7xW.jpg)
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: blueski on November 03, 2017, 05:08:31 AM

Obviously you can still hurt yourself from such a fall. If you've got fucking brittle bones that is. Don't fucking patronize me with what's possible and what's not.
Phil Jagielka, Jordan Pickford, Tom Davies, Idrissa Gueye, Wayne Rooney, DCL and a couple of others would've carried on tonight. He's a useless fucking turd.

he was taken to hospital. that isn't done because a player is soft and doesn't want to continue. obviously there was some sign of something serious in their examination. or do you think the medical staff is soft as well?

I don't rate Martina one bit as a player - we can agree there but your off the plot on this one
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Brownie20 on November 03, 2017, 05:08:33 AM

Obviously you can still hurt yourself from such a fall. If you've got fucking brittle bones that is. Don't fucking patronize me with what's possible and what's not.
Phil Jagielka, Jordan Pickford, Tom Davies, Idrissa Gueye, Wayne Rooney, DCL and a couple of others would've carried on tonight. He's a useless fucking turd.


I'm not patronising you in the slightest
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: D_murph0278 on November 03, 2017, 05:14:35 AM
he was taken to hospital. that isn't done because a player is soft and doesn't want to continue. obviously there was some sign of something serious in their examination. or do you think the medical staff is soft as well?

I don't rate Martina one bit as a player - we can agree there but your off the plot on this one

If he lies motionless and says he has pain in his back, neck or can't feel certain parts.... the rest all follows suit surely.
Once he's on a stretcher with a neck brace on, he's going to get checked out fully and immediately. Theres no doubt footballers these days have it in them and that fall was nothing.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Brownie20 on November 03, 2017, 05:19:12 AM

If he lies motionless and says he has pain in his back, neck or can't feel certain parts.... the rest all follows suit surely.
Once he's on a stretcher with a neck brace on, he's going to get checked out fully and immediately. Theres no doubt footballers these days have it in them and that fall was nothing.

He would have tests done on him immediately in the treatment room to determine severity of any potential injury. Tests that would check for involuntary reflexes that would relate to this type of injury before being taken to hospital. Any physio and team doctor worth their salt should be able to tell if a player was faking this type of injury. Lyon have one of the best medical set ups in professional sport too
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: D_murph0278 on November 03, 2017, 05:23:56 AM
He would have tests done on him immediately in the treatment room to determine severity of any potential injury. Tests that would check for involuntary reflexes that would relate to this type of injury before being taken to hospital. Any physio and team doctor worth their salt should be able to tell if a player was faking this type of injury. Lyon have one of the best medical set ups in professional sport too

So why is he travelling home 2 hours later then.... in fact, fucking flying back?
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on November 03, 2017, 05:27:49 AM

So why is he travelling home 2 hours later then.... in fact, fucking flying back?

Doubt he's actually flying though. Probably on a plane or something mad like that.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Brownie20 on November 03, 2017, 05:28:41 AM

So why is he travelling home 2 hours later then.... in fact, fucking flying back?

According to the Echo it's a slight concussion. You'd have to ask @Confucius (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=196) as to whether or not it's likely or not
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Jamokachi on November 03, 2017, 05:55:12 AM
According to the Echo it's a slight concussion. You'd have to ask @Confucius (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=196) as to whether or not it's likely or not

He was out cold when Traore was checking on him, patting his cheek.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Brownie20 on November 03, 2017, 05:56:40 AM
He was out cold when Traore was checking on him, patting his cheek.

Faking it bro. He was doing that thing my daughter does when I'm trying to get her up for school
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Jamokachi on November 03, 2017, 05:57:46 AM
Faking it bro. He was doing that thing my daughter does when I'm trying to get her up for school

He's been defending like he was out cold, so it's plausible.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: boothill on November 03, 2017, 06:00:19 AM
Faking it bro. He was doing that thing my daughter does when I'm trying to get her up for school
and when they brought him to he said ''my tum tums sore''
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Rodenplav64 on November 03, 2017, 06:04:10 AM
Pickford is a human sieve . Time for Robles recall .
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Jimmywhack on November 03, 2017, 06:09:36 AM
Pickford is a human sieve . Time for Robles recall .
My sarcasm radar is way off at the min so bare with me.... For real?
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Normm on November 03, 2017, 06:14:06 AM
Cuco's fall left him temporarily motionless. He had to come off. Can't take chances as people can react differently. However, replacing him with another 'dm' seemed to add to the problem of how to keep the ball up the pitch.

To be honest, when my son told me the line up I thought he was having a joke. Still, Beni did well again. This was a team hoping to snatch a result, but was not set up with any serious threat.

Fans expect Everton to be set up to win well, with good attacking football. Let's hope we see this on Sunday.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Confucius on November 03, 2017, 06:21:48 AM
Did they check any of our coaching or managers for concussion too?

Unsworth way out of his depth here isn't he?
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Rodenplav64 on November 03, 2017, 06:22:49 AM
My sarcasm radar is way off at the min so bare with me.... For real?

For real . The lad is shot to fuck .
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: brap2 on November 03, 2017, 06:24:45 AM
I think there is also some evidence tonight of some of the rifts in the squad.

Schneiderlin's 2nd red card this season, was stupid and unnecessary, it wasn't a team tackle, it was a selfish tackle and he didn't look that bothered.

Vlasic running his boot down that guys achilles was not a pleasant watch. When I watched it back, I thought it looked intentional.

Also Cuco had been having a decent game. When he was down, he was surrounded by Lyon players. Don't recall anyone seeing if he was alright and that looked quite a serious incident as time went on.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DNqTnlJW0AET7xW.jpg)

I noticed all of that as well. Squad looks fucking shot to bits doesnít it.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Nick on November 03, 2017, 07:04:20 AM
They don't look anything like a team at the moment.  They're absolutely depressing to watch, and more to the point, they don't look like they're enjoying things either.  I'm not saying professional football should be about big grins, but you can tell the teams that gel, work well together and can stick together when things aren't going to plan.  Everton are not one of those teams at the moment.  There is no plan.  There is no spirit.

They've gone from Koeman who seemingly divided the team and wasted a fortune on signings, to Unsworth's managerial gems such as "run!", "run!", "run!".

The defensive shape is appalling and there just isn't any threat in the team, through the middle, out wide or up front.

We're surely too good to go down through right?  Shewerly?!?

Unless we sort our shit out and quickly, we're in massive danger.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on November 03, 2017, 01:49:13 PM

Im not having it.... Pickfords fall was way nastier and with bigger impact. He got up and lead the way.

it looked like he was knocked out when the replay showed how concerned Cornet was when they landed

It may have been odd to be knocked out by landing the way he did, but that's why things are called freak accidents.

If he's knocked out, he can't respond to questions about feeling certain parts of his body, or questions about pain, so the process starts of getting his spine assessed formally.

Also, if he's knocked out, he's not allowed to continue - as per the rules of the game which were changed as a result of Hugo Loris being sparked at Goodison and carrying on. 
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Paddockoldie on November 03, 2017, 02:27:06 PM
We SO need a good striker because it doesn't matter about open play if you can't stick the ball in the net. Teams realise we are blunt up front so can press us and because we're slow at the back we get torn  a new arse each week...
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Lazarou on November 03, 2017, 02:38:45 PM
We have no one in the team that can give another team the willies, you need at least one player that can occupy a opposition teams minds either by pace, skill or intelligence. Everyone we play thinks they can contain us and subsequently beat us.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Rhys on November 03, 2017, 02:57:47 PM
Pickford is a human sieve . Time for Robles recall .

I thought he was poor for the first goal the way he came out made it very easy to finish. And I thought once he got the strong hand he did to the third he should have kept it out and his reaction was that of he should have done. I also thought he parried a few shots too close to the goal like the Monreal one the other week.

However he has been quality overall. Keepers have bad moments but don't see the point in bringing one in who has a lot of calamitous moments with not many good over some who has made a couple of slight not massive errors with plenty of really good keeping in between.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Faceatthefence on November 03, 2017, 03:07:08 PM
I thought he was poor for the first goal the way he came out made it very easy to finish. And I thought once he got the strong hand he did to the third he should have kept it out and his reaction was that of he should have done. I also thought he parried a few shots too close to the goal like the Monreal one the other week.

However he has been quality overall. Keepers have bad moments but don't see the point in bringing one in who has a lot of calamitous moments with not many good over some who has made a couple of slight not massive errors with plenty of really good keeping in between.
He will be a great goalie for us,pick of the buys so far.A good defence will help the lad instead of the knuckle draggers he,s got in front of him now.All the top keepers from the past have legendary defences in front of them,Shilton,Seaman and Southall to name but a few.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on November 03, 2017, 03:59:26 PM
Pickford is a human sieve . Time for Robles recall .

you know nothing about football.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Macca77 on November 03, 2017, 04:27:50 PM
Are people seriously blaming Pickford here? Mind you suppose these are the same people who wrote Klaassen, Sandro and Keane off after a few games, so its Pickford's turn now.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on November 03, 2017, 04:34:38 PM
Are people seriously blaming Pickford here? Mind you suppose these are the same people who wrote Klaassen, Sandro and Keane off after a few games, so its Pickford's turn now.

Yeah Klaassen and Sandro have been a revelation haven't they?

Pickford was very badly positioned for the first goal to be honest, but there were much worse elements about it
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Waltzer on November 03, 2017, 04:35:46 PM
We have no one in the team that can give another team the willies, you need at least one player that can occupy a opposition teams minds either by pace, skill or intelligence. Everyone we play thinks they can contain us and subsequently beat us.

I didnt think id say it when we signed him but if we could get Bolasie back it would help immeasurably, someone with pace and skills to occupy the defence. It would give defenders an out ball and us a much needed threat going forward. I know hes not going to be the answer but our new manager should have better attacking options with Bolasie and Barkley coming back (despite my annoyance that the latter is currently needed!!)
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Nick on November 03, 2017, 05:41:59 PM
Pickford is still young and will improve to be an outstanding keeper...that said, he isn't too bad at the moment.  The odd mistake but even seasoned pros and world class keepers drop the occasional bollock or make minor mistakes.

Pickford deserves a little slack due to the defence he has in front of him.  Williams is an absolute liability, Jags has seen better days and the lack of organisation in the back line is plain to see.  There was an instance last night when Pickford cleared a shot and had to scream at the players in front of him to get out.  This is basic stuff but they were all asleep and even after being shouted at, they were still slow to react.

There is something very off in the team at the moment.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: everton1952 on November 03, 2017, 05:44:05 PM
Gosh I didn't know there was anyone left pushing the case for Sandro and Klassen. Dear oh dear we must be scraping the barrel. Getting back to the Lyon game, what on earth possessed Unsie to tell Siggy to play as a lone striker? He was one unhappy bunny and must wish he had stayed at Swansea.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Nick on November 03, 2017, 05:46:12 PM
We have no one in the team that can give another team the willies, you need at least one player that can occupy a opposition teams minds either by pace, skill or intelligence. Everyone we play thinks they can contain us and subsequently beat us.

If only Barkley wasn't alienated and basically told to leave...

He's the only player we have that is capable of running at defences.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: blue slug on November 03, 2017, 06:18:18 PM
by Christ we have serious problems if pickford is now a target for a bashing, he's been a great signing
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Bluenose 91 on November 03, 2017, 06:50:39 PM
Martina was blagging being KO'd and Robles should come in for Pickford.

These match day threads are off their fucking barnets.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Stumpy on November 03, 2017, 07:07:55 PM
Pickford is a human sieve . Time for Robles recall .
Christ.Pickford is the least of our worries.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Rodenplav64 on November 03, 2017, 07:11:13 PM
He will be a great goalie for us,pick of the buys so far.A good defence will help the lad instead of the knuckle draggers he,s got in front of him now.All the top keepers from the past have legendary defences in front of them,Shilton,Seaman and Southall to name but a few.

I am not saying he won't be a good keeper in time but at the moment he is not a safe pair of hands . Joel kept plenty of clean sheets with the same shite in front of him . Stek and Pickford seem incapable of it . Those damned statistics don't lie . He lets in 1.97 a game ( and I hate fractional stats ) so lets call it 2 .
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Rodenplav64 on November 03, 2017, 07:13:01 PM
you know nothing about football.

That's why I feel so at home on here .
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Bluenose 91 on November 03, 2017, 07:21:22 PM
I am not saying he won't be a good keeper in time but at the moment he is not a safe pair of hands . Joel kept plenty of clean sheets with the same shite in front of him . Stek and Pickford seem incapable of it . Those damned statistics don't lie . He lets in 1.97 a game ( and I hate fractional stats ) so lets call it 2 .

How many shots on goal per game are we conceding though?

You're honestly insane if you reckon Robles is better than Pickford.
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Jimmywhack on November 03, 2017, 07:48:48 PM
At the moment he is not a safe pair of hands . same shite in front of him . Stek and Pickford seem incapable of it . Those damned statistics don't lie . He lets in 1.97 a game ( and I hate fractional stats ) so lets call it 2 .
You cant take that stat in isolation tho. We are conceding more shots, more chances, theres more pressure on us, more crosses coming and that's from the back 4 and the 3 dm's being a mixture of poor and out of form
Title: Re: Lyon v Everton
Post by: Rodenplav64 on November 03, 2017, 08:08:35 PM
You cant take that stat in isolation tho. We are conceding more shots, more chances, theres more pressure on us, more crosses coming and that's from the back 4 and the 3 dm's being a mixture of poor and out of form

Which is all it takes to wreck a keeper . He is more likely to turn out like Rob Greene if he doesn't get a settled defence in front of him soon . I am not blaming him as Koeman has rendered us shite from front to back . People are a bit delusional though if they don't think a lot of mistakes are purely down the lad himself .