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Title: Dogs of war
Post by: boothill on October 30, 2017, 09:55:18 AM
Unleash the hounds rhino
Title: Re: Dogs of war
Post by: Paddockoldie on October 30, 2017, 01:09:11 PM
Dogs of war? More like Pussies Galore... where are the fighters?
Title: Re: Dogs of war
Post by: boothill on October 30, 2017, 05:01:50 PM
Good question. Rooney, williams, gueye ? Not many is there miralles and davies maybe ? Banningime?
Title: Re: Dogs of war
Post by: Bluedylan on October 30, 2017, 05:04:47 PM
Our fans are the dogs of war, these days.

Fucking Allardyce. Fuck right off.
Title: Re: Dogs of war
Post by: Brownie20 on October 30, 2017, 05:43:30 PM
What I wouldn't give to have a fully fit in his prime Joe Parkinson in the team now
Title: Re: Dogs of war
Post by: Sir Stealth on October 30, 2017, 06:01:04 PM
Not that I want to go all out Dogs Of War, but it's probably important that first and foremost we work on stopping shipping goals, and make ourselves harder to beat, rather than trying to be a finesse team

The next manager will need to be someone who can get us out of a relegation scrap with the players we have right now, not someone who will rely on more signings in January

A good man manager and a good organiser seems essential now to steady the ship

Genuinely worried about relegation to be honest
Title: Re: Dogs of war
Post by: boothill on October 30, 2017, 06:08:00 PM
Even during the 80s we would "earn" the right to play our football, kendall wernt against our players getting into a physical battle for 89 mins to be able to produce a minute of greatness, same with joe royle, make us hard to beat, the rest will follow
Title: Re: Dogs of war
Post by: Bluedylan on October 30, 2017, 06:21:46 PM
Even during the 80s we would "earn" the right to play our football, kendall wernt against our players getting into a physical battle for 89 mins to be able to produce a minute of greatness, same with joe royle, make us hard to beat, the rest will follow

Agreed, and I'm sure most people would agree with you (and Stealth) that the priority should be making ourselves hard to beat, and try to get some 1-0 wins if necessary.

But most competent managers can do that. You don't need to play horrendous football or appoint an Allardyce that you're going to hate and want fired, 6 months later when you realise he can't do anything beyond that.

Just set up solidly, play a 4-5-1 with hard-working, disciplined wide players, helping the full backs, and midfielders protecting the back four. We don't need to turn to anti-football because we'll soon be fed up of that, and want to change the manager yet again.
Title: Re: Dogs of war
Post by: Brownie20 on October 30, 2017, 06:27:53 PM
I'd take an ugly 1-0 win every day of the week. I've always felt the entertainment aspect of watching your team is secondary to winning. Yes we'd always love to see glowing, attacking football constantly but at the end of the day we all want a winning side. Become hard to beat first, then focus on the rest
Title: Re: Dogs of war
Post by: Django on October 30, 2017, 06:33:31 PM
The dogs of war wouldn't pick up a point in 2017 fellas. Come on.

The games progressed and without any pace in your team you're ripe picking for being destroyed on the counter attack. Which is exactly what is happening to ourselves every week with probably the oldest centre half pairing in the league.

We need some pace, creativity and a fella who can score goals.

All I am hoping for is a return from Ross Barkley which would allow Rooney to sit further forward and stop dropping deep - giving him more chances in the box, hopefully provided by balls in from Lennon and Bolasie in the near future. That's how desperate we are now. Jesus.
Title: Re: Dogs of war
Post by: boothill on October 30, 2017, 06:37:05 PM
Django, dogs of war was just a label, we need to make ourselves hard to beat, and fast
Title: Re: Dogs of war
Post by: Django on October 30, 2017, 06:50:28 PM
Django, dogs of war was just a label, we need to make ourselves hard to beat, and fast

Definitely. There's just so much wrong at the moment it's difficult to know where to even begin with it. Haven't felt this downtrodden as a blue in a long time, if ever.
Title: Re: Dogs of war
Post by: Lxxx on October 30, 2017, 06:59:27 PM
We don't have midfielders who have anything about them to make us hard to beat though. The likes of Schneiderlin and Gueye aren't going to instil any fear into opposing players. On a good day Gueye is a pest and I'm not actually too sure what Schneiderlin does anymore. Davies is a kid in poor form at the minute and McCarthy and Besic may as well not be at the club.

At the minute we're trying to put extra bodies in the middle in the hope increased numbers might crowd the area out but it isn't working, teams can still walk through the middle of the park and then they're confronted with dads army on the edge of their own 6 yard box.

I'm not sure what the answer is as we've pretty much seen every permutation across the park so far and nothing works. I wouldn't take that job if I was a manager of decent standing, needs major surgery on it and some proper men bringing in with a bit of bottle and fight about them.
Title: Re: Dogs of war
Post by: boothill on October 30, 2017, 07:01:52 PM
Definitely. There's just so much wrong at the moment it's difficult to know where to even begin with it. Haven't felt this downtrodden as a blue in a long time, if ever.
Under mike walker and walter smith was bad, even under kendall before the oxford away game, amazing what a bad back pass can start for you
Title: Re: Dogs of war
Post by: Faceatthefence on October 30, 2017, 07:08:09 PM
Agreed, and I'm sure most people would agree with you (and Stealth) that the priority should be making ourselves hard to beat, and try to get some 1-0 wins if necessary.

But most competent managers can do that. You don't need to play horrendous football or appoint an Allardyce that you're going to hate and want fired, 6 months later when you realise he can't do anything beyond that.

Just set up solidly, play a 4-5-1 with hard-working, disciplined wide players, helping the full backs, and midfielders protecting the back four. We don't need to turn to anti-football because we'll soon be fed up of that, and want to change the manager yet again.
Big Sam said the very same yesterday after the game to Keys and Gray,youve got to first shore up at the back and get clean sheets and maybe nick goals from set plays.Pretty basic stuff but like he said,with the team as it is youve got to accept our limitations.
Title: Re: Dogs of war
Post by: Sir Stealth on October 30, 2017, 07:43:36 PM
So 4-5-1 dogs of war line-up, aimed at keeping a game tight and trying to nick a winner. What team are we looking at?

               Pickford

Holgate Jagielka Keane Baines

Lennon Gana Schneiderlin Mirallas
              Sigurdsson
                Rooney

It's an experienced starting line up, real lack of youth in there though. Positional discipline wise, Rooney really has to stay up top. Far and away he has more career goals to his name than anyone else in the squad, his main job has to be to score. Can't have him dropping deep. Sigurdsson in recent years has been a creativity master so we need him to be creating chances for Rooney. Logically that's our route to scoring

We need solid workrate and running from Lennon and Mirallas, Gana and Schneiderlin to protect that defence and Sigurdsson to get his set piece delivery spot on

Title: Re: Dogs of war
Post by: phillyt on October 30, 2017, 08:09:21 PM
While I am currently terrified about the prospect of relegation Im also aware that 2/3 wins and we are thrust into mid table and into a position we can build from, challenge for Europa league qualification again and hopefully throw a cup run together.
I think the dogs of war shouts are just what we need, for 2/3 games. Id be happy with a thouroughly negative 4-5-1 formation for the next 2/3 games Just  to try keeping a clean sheet, nick a win. Get out of the mire, then start being a bit more creative.
Title: Re: Dogs of war
Post by: BlueForYou on October 30, 2017, 08:35:04 PM
We need some bulldog spirit, that's for sure

And no number canine - enough to drive any Evertonian barking mad

Title: Re: Dogs of war
Post by: boothill on October 30, 2017, 08:47:46 PM
So 4-5-1 dogs of war line-up, aimed at keeping a game tight and trying to nick a winner. What team are we looking at?

               Pickford

Holgate Jagielka Keane Baines

Lennon Gana Schneiderlin Mirallas
              Sigurdsson
                Rooney

It's an experienced starting line up, real lack of youth in there though. Positional discipline wise, Rooney really has to stay up top. Far and away he has more career goals to his name than anyone else in the squad, his main job has to be to score. Can't have him dropping deep. Sigurdsson in recent years has been a creativity master so we need him to be creating chances for Rooney. Logically that's our route to scoring

We need solid workrate and running from Lennon and Mirallas, Gana and Schneiderlin to protect that defence and Sigurdsson to get his set piece delivery spot on
Yeah, about right,bit of flexibility to play round with too, could even put wiliiams in for keane, banningime in for gana or morgan, vlasic on either flank, tell sig to watch sme arteta videos. Jobs hopefull a gooden
Title: Re: Dogs of war
Post by: bluenuck on October 30, 2017, 09:06:51 PM
So 4-5-1 dogs of war line-up, aimed at keeping a game tight and trying to nick a winner. What team are we looking at?

               Pickford

Holgate Jagielka Keane Baines

Lennon Gana Schneiderlin Mirallas
              Sigurdsson
                Rooney

It's an experienced starting line up, real lack of youth in there though. Positional discipline wise, Rooney really has to stay up top. Far and away he has more career goals to his name than anyone else in the squad, his main job has to be to score. Can't have him dropping deep. Sigurdsson in recent years has been a creativity master so we need him to be creating chances for Rooney. Logically that's our route to scoring

We need solid workrate and running from Lennon and Mirallas, Gana and Schneiderlin to protect that defence and Sigurdsson to get his set piece delivery spot on

The theory of this should and could work. But Rooney will always drop to deep wherever he plays. Sig will get the ball in mid field and Rooney will be a foot away from him.

I know Rooney is the only one scoring but he sort of screws the team up with how he plays.