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Title: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: BlueBeagle on October 31, 2017, 12:31:31 PM
http://www.skysports.com/share/11106622

Don't shoot the messenger
Title: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: Ramjam on October 31, 2017, 12:40:15 PM
So we're going for stability first and leaving the flair for another day
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Post by: eyesalwaysblue on October 31, 2017, 12:47:58 PM
Can't see him coming for a short term contract, so if it's him then it's for a while, fetch Ben Mee while he's at it.
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: Waltzer on October 31, 2017, 01:26:15 PM
What a terrible way to start the day. Even Burnley fans were booing last night as it was so boring and theyíve got twice as many points as us!
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Post by: indiantoffee1975 on October 31, 2017, 01:30:18 PM
Narrowing it down atleast to a dyce whether its Sean and Sam.
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: BlueBeagle on October 31, 2017, 01:48:14 PM
Even Burnley fans were booing last night as it was so boring

Not sure that's entirely true
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Post by: Cozzie on October 31, 2017, 01:51:15 PM
Just smacks of wanting to just be safe and coast along.

Where is the ambition to progress and move forward?

I get we are in a bit of a pickle at the moment but we are acting like we are Sunderland and its March or something.

I think Dyce will do alright here like but can't get excited by it at all if he is to come here
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Post by: Waltzer on October 31, 2017, 01:51:52 PM
Not sure that's entirely true

TBH I didnt watch it all, but I thought they said there was booing at half time when the players were walking off? Either way I dont think its an inspiring appointment if true, especially If Kenwright and Moshiri come out and say 'he was our number 1 target'
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Post by: Brownie20 on October 31, 2017, 01:54:31 PM
Sky Sources = the rags
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Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 31, 2017, 01:55:17 PM
Not sure that's entirely true

Of course it's not. I live in Burnley and they love him.
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: The Analog Kid on October 31, 2017, 01:55:45 PM
Iím not sure who I want personally, Iím nervous about who they appoint as the last two havenít worked out after various people building them up to something for their own reasons.

Iím not convinced by Dyche, but then heís not someone Iíve paid much attention to. Maybe itís because heís not the ďbig nameĒ.
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Post by: Gash on October 31, 2017, 02:13:47 PM
And here was me thinking Koeman was unimaginative at the time.
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: Heisenberg on October 31, 2017, 02:14:01 PM
Signing a manager after a decent season in the prem. yep, Everton's winning formula
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Post by: Heisenberg on October 31, 2017, 02:15:20 PM
I long for the day we get adventurous with one of our appointments or signings
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: hill135 on October 31, 2017, 02:16:48 PM
Probably the safest, most boring appointment we could make. Proper Everton.

Iím facing up to it. Weíre never gonna win anything ever again.
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on October 31, 2017, 02:21:46 PM
I suspect weíve approached for an interview.

Itís a bit different to actually offering the job.

Calm the fume for the time being.
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: Macca77 on October 31, 2017, 02:23:12 PM
Probably the safest, most boring appointment we could make. Proper Everton.

Iím facing up to it. Weíre never gonna win anything ever again.

I came to terms with this years ago
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on October 31, 2017, 02:26:19 PM
Just smacks of wanting to just be safe and coast along.

Where is the ambition to progress and move forward?

I get we are in a bit of a pickle at the moment but we are acting like we are Sunderland and its March or something.

I think Dyce will do alright here like but can't get excited by it at all if he is to come here
The flip-side being; we bring in a progressive thinking young German manager who, for example, wants to play a dynamic, pressing style. He struggles to impose himself and canít get these players to play his way and get results...thatíd see us relegated, simple as. Then the stadium and all our other grand plans fall apart.

Might well have to be a case one (several steps) backward - to see some progress.

I donít care how we play, I just want to see us win. Big names fail, unfashionable managers can surprise. Apart from a selection few manager, itís a lottery anyway.
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: Lazarou on October 31, 2017, 02:30:27 PM
The board has probably been burned by the Koeman saga, cost a hell of a lot of money, spent a lot of money and we have ended up in worse state. I can understand them not trying to reach for the stars again.

I just want us to look like a team that knows how to setup in a match, give 100% and win a few matches, it may be unambitious but it would be far preferable to what is going on at the moment.

Not sure Dyche is the man but I can't blame them for at least looking.
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Post by: Django on October 31, 2017, 02:33:37 PM
Moshiri really mustnít have much faith in Unsworth.

Canít wait to see us go big for Robbie Brady in Jan :(
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on October 31, 2017, 02:34:27 PM
Just smacks of wanting to just be safe and coast along.

Where is the ambition to progress and move forward?

I get we are in a bit of a pickle at the moment but we are acting like we are Sunderland and its March or something.

I think Dyce will do alright here like but can't get excited by it at all if he is to come here
Weíre a quarter way through the season and weíve looked awful every league game - the board need to be decisive and sort the manager situation out to get us back on track and quickly.

Dyche isnít the most inspiring choice but there are arguments heís just been pragmatic with the options he has. Could flourish at a bigger club with better resources. And that not to say we havenít sounded out the Tuchels and Nanglemans and weíve been turned down - which would be perfectly understandable.
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: Macca77 on October 31, 2017, 02:38:10 PM
His voice annoys me, sounds like he's gargling gravel, somebody needs to do something about it pronto.
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: BlueForYou on October 31, 2017, 02:40:17 PM
Another throw of the dyche

Welcome to the "big time"
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on October 31, 2017, 02:43:58 PM
Moyes MK2

Not necessarily a bad thing at this stage.

We need another solid platform to build on again after Moyes let his good foundations crumble a bit and Martinez and Koeman finished them off.
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: Hawkandro on October 31, 2017, 02:47:12 PM
Part of me wants us to go get Tuchel or Ancelotti; i.e. the biggest name we can, but then Koeman was the biggest name we could get and look how that turned out.

If we cannot get Pellegrini, then I am happy for someone like Dyche to be given a chance. When you look at the options, there is a real paucity of choice out there at the moment, and we cannot really run the risk of making the wrong appointment now.
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: Faceatthefence on October 31, 2017, 02:57:26 PM
His voice annoys me, sounds like he's gargling gravel, somebody needs to do something about it pronto.
Get big dunc to choke him stephen freund style on the training ground,that,ll sort it.
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: Waltzer on October 31, 2017, 02:57:40 PM
Im probably doing Dyche a disservice but I think you could easily argue that Everton are in, or near about the top 20 teams in Europe, we've got so much to offer, history, new stadium, 'ambitious owner', playing in the biggest league in the world, loyal fan base yet it looks like were going for a manager is less than inspiring and in my opinion is nowhere near good enough.
Things have progressed so much I just dont see how Dyche style will be transferable to a team wanting to progress, its almost like Kenwright and Moshiri jumped in their own hot tub time machine and went back to the 90s with this.
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: Juanito on October 31, 2017, 02:57:59 PM
Burnley have a side of players in their mid 20ís, fit, strong, athletic and very well organised. If he can do that here with this group and get Sandro, Klaassen, Lookman and a few others looking like that, I think we could be ok.

Things will look different with Bolasie and Coleman in and there is no way we are not Bringing a striker in on Jan 1.
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: Lazarou on October 31, 2017, 03:00:43 PM
A big name gamble at this stage of the season with someone who has no experience of the premier league never mind a relegation scrap (if you believe we are, which I do) is a massive risk. I would much rather a pragmatic manager, would just love us to look like we know what we are doing, is that to much to ask?
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: Heisenberg on October 31, 2017, 03:03:00 PM
we need a winner. Not one of these steady Eddies. You've got to think of next season and the season after aswell
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: BlueForYou on October 31, 2017, 03:05:18 PM
Dyche has experience of a PL relegation scrap, alright - 2015!
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: Hawkandro on October 31, 2017, 03:07:08 PM
Odds on Danny Ings joining in January will drop rapidly, I imagine.
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: Brownie20 on October 31, 2017, 03:25:28 PM
Odds on Danny Ings joining in January will drop rapidly, I imagine.

Is he even still a thing?
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: Waltzer on October 31, 2017, 03:25:33 PM
A big name gamble at this stage of the season with someone who has no experience of the premier league never mind a relegation scrap (if you believe we are, which I do) is a massive risk. I would much rather a pragmatic manager, would just love us to look like we know what we are doing, is that to much to ask?

Dyche has got experience of a relegation scrap I suppose, but is that a good thing considering he got relegated?
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: Legend on October 31, 2017, 03:29:52 PM
Iíll take Dyche over Allardyce all day.
For the people who donít want him who would you want as the next manager?
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on October 31, 2017, 03:30:02 PM
Im probably doing Dyche a disservice but I think you could easily argue that Everton are in, or near about the top 20 teams in Europe, we've got so much to offer, history, new stadium, 'ambitious owner', playing in the biggest league in the world, loyal fan base yet it looks like were going for a manager is less than inspiring and in my opinion is nowhere near good enough.
Things have progressed so much I just dont see how Dyche style will be transferable to a team wanting to progress, its almost like Kenwright and Moshiri jumped in their own hot tub time machine and went back to the 90s with this.
Being hard to beat comes first, then winning - then winning well. You canít travel from A to C and skip B.
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: Waltzer on October 31, 2017, 03:39:57 PM
Iíll take Dyche over Allardyce all day.
For the people who donít want him who would you want as the next manager?

Any of these:
Are they achievable, who knows, but Newcastle appointed an ex Real Madrid, Inter Milan, Valencia, Champions League winning manager so I dont see why not?

Tuchel
Ancelotti
Silva
Enrique
Favre
Bielsa
Hassenhuttl
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 31, 2017, 03:43:17 PM
Any of these:
Are they achievable, who knows, but Newcastle appointed an ex Real Madrid, Inter Milan, Valencia, Champions League winning manager so I dont see why not?

Tuchel
Ancelotti
Silva
Enrique
Favre
Bielsa
Hassenhuttl

Plenty on that list I know nowt about. Enrique is a poor manager though. I think there's a real danger of signing "a winner" who won just cos they were dealt a great hand rather than being any good. Dyche has done an unbelievable job at Burnley. He's a winner so far. Unless people are suggesting he should have won the league
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: toffeeland on October 31, 2017, 03:46:59 PM
We r in crisis. Lack of confidence, unbalanced squad, poor form. We need to get down to basics. I doubt any "big name" will dare to take us now with 2 months until the window opens to try and fix the mess.
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: Faceatthefence on October 31, 2017, 03:50:14 PM
We r in crisis. Lack of confidence, unbalanced squad, poor form. We need to get down to basics. I doubt any "big name" will dare to take us now with 2 months until the window opens to try and fix the mess.
This....give me Sean Dyche over all of the names banded about,why...cause they wont come to us and likely shit up their cv
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: Waltzer on October 31, 2017, 03:51:44 PM
Plenty on that list I know nowt about. Enrique is a poor manager though. I think there's a real danger of signing "a winner" who won just cos they were dealt a great hand rather than being any good. Dyche has done an unbelievable job at Burnley. He's a winner so far. Unless people are suggesting he should have won the league

Its a valid point about the hand they're given, but Martinez did remarkably well with Wigan and didnt succeed. I think any appointment will be a risk regardless of who it is, id just rather we take a risk where the reward, imo, would be greater than what Dyche is able to deliver? Who knows though, Dyche might be tactically very astute and given better resources deliver much higher quality. I just dont really want to sit through hours and hours of 30%, 1 nill football which he seems to deliver, but again this goes back to the 'hand your dealt' comment, so who knows what hed do?
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 31, 2017, 03:55:23 PM
Its a valid point about the hand they're given, but Martinez did remarkably well with Wigan and didnt succeed. I think any appointment will be a risk regardless of who it is, id just rather we take a risk where the reward, imo, would be greater than what Dyche is able to deliver? Who knows though, Dyche might be tactically very astute and given better resources deliver much higher quality. I just dont really want to sit through hours and hours of 30%, 1 nill football which he seems to deliver, but again this goes back to the 'hand your dealt' comment, so who knows what hed do?

I do wonder what sort of football mourinho would play at Burnley and what dyche would play at Utd. Are they really that different in style?
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: Gary1878 on October 31, 2017, 03:58:41 PM
We need a manager that gets the best out of the players and has a winning system, whatever that looks like.

As long as whoever comes in can do both of the above, we will be in a better position.
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: hill135 on October 31, 2017, 03:59:41 PM
He'd come in, sort us out and have us climbing the table but realistically he's not going to break the ceiling of 6th place so we'd be treading water for the length of his contract. Fair do we shouldn't try and run before we can walk but we should be able to walk already. We're Everton ffs, with a squad full of experienced internationals!

Trouble is, I can't see any ambitious young manager with a growing rep and a vision to get us the table touching the job at this stage.

All round it's fucking shite that we're in the exact same boat as when RM left
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: Lincs Toffee on October 31, 2017, 04:00:14 PM
Its a valid point about the hand they're given, but Martinez did remarkably well with Wigan and didnt succeed. I think any appointment will be a risk regardless of who it is, id just rather we take a risk where the reward, imo, would be greater than what Dyche is able to deliver? Who knows though, Dyche might be tactically very astute and given better resources deliver much higher quality. I just dont really want to sit through hours and hours of 30%, 1 nill football which he seems to deliver, but again this goes back to the 'hand your dealt' comment, so who knows what hed do?
A risk is not what we can afford at the moment though, unless you fancy our chances battling it out in the Championship
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Post by: Mick 1995 on October 31, 2017, 04:11:11 PM
there is no way we are not Bringing a striker in on Jan 1.

I genuinely wouldn't bet on that.
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: hill135 on October 31, 2017, 04:15:04 PM
Also I fundamentally disagree with two points.

He's not done an amazing job. He's done a fairly good job in keeping a team with a reasonable chance of staying up in the league.

Secondly, manager's don't adapt. It's a myth. They have methods and an approach to the game which they stick with and those methods condition how far their teams go and how far up the food chain that manager will succeed. I could list a thousand examples. He's not gonna come here and start playing more expansive football. We'd set up like Burnley. That's better than what we have now so nothing wrong with that but it's not a recipe for achieving anything of note now or ever.
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Post by: Hawkandro on October 31, 2017, 04:16:00 PM
I genuinely wouldn't bet on that.

Agree with that; we may well have targets in mind, but we won't have them in come 1st Jan. Will probably be a week or two into window before sorted.
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Post by: Mick 1995 on October 31, 2017, 04:20:46 PM
Agree with that; we may well have targets in mind, but we won't have them in come 1st Jan. Will probably be a week or two into window before sorted.

Unfortunately - i wouldn't bet on that either.
I am pretty despondent with Everton at the moment, so my pessimism has me thinking of a scenario where we spend all month chasing strikers that don't want to come to us again. then we'll scramble and get a typical last day of the window stop-gap.
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 31, 2017, 04:27:42 PM
Also I fundamentally disagree with two points.

He's not done an amazing job. He's done a fairly good job in keeping a team with a reasonable chance of staying up in the league.

Secondly, manager's don't adapt. It's a myth. They have methods and an approach to the game which they stick with and those methods condition how far their teams go and how far up the food chain that manager will succeed. I could list a thousand examples. He's not gonna come here and start playing more expansive football. We'd set up like Burnley. That's better than what we have now so nothing wrong with that but it's not a recipe for achieving anything of note now or ever.

The team that had a reasonable chance of staying up is the team that he got promoted when they weren't fancied either. He's built a mid table championship side into a side that look like they will stay up 2 seasons running (comfortably this time) on a budget a fraction of his championship rivals and now on a budget a fraction of his premier league rivals. You've obviously got high standards. What would have been a great job from where he started 5 years ago? They are 7th now. 1st? Champions of Europe. Win a World Cup?
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: therealdunc on October 31, 2017, 04:28:13 PM
Sean Dyche  :'(

Awful choice if this is true, no more than David Moyes the 2nd.

We need a pragmatist with tactical knowledge, not Dyche who will be happy to see us hard to beat and go away from home for a point.

Please speak to anyone who watches Burnley regularly over the past 5 years, yes they all like him, but they also admit the style of football is dull and he is very slow to make meaningful changes from the bench.

An utterly uninspiring signing as manager
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: boothill on October 31, 2017, 04:28:25 PM
Him or sam, ill take him, just so demoralising and underwhelming, think im gona cry now
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 31, 2017, 04:29:14 PM
Also who cares about expansive football. We are currently shite. Don't we just want to win some football matches.
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Post by: kramer0 on October 31, 2017, 04:29:36 PM
I see Farhad and Bill have finally gotten around to drawing a name out of the hat.

If you want to know why we're going nowhere, it starts with those two. Zero clue about football between the two of them.
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Post by: Ross on October 31, 2017, 04:30:10 PM
Think this would signal that ďthe window of opportunityĒ had slammed shut.
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Post by: TheTone on October 31, 2017, 04:35:55 PM
we'll be back to the days of trying to loan a player with a view to a permanent signing next
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: hill135 on October 31, 2017, 04:36:52 PM
The team that had a reasonable chance of staying up is the team that he got promoted when they weren't fancied either. He's built a mid table championship side into a side that look like they will stay up 2 seasons running (comfortably this time) on a budget a fraction of his championship rivals and now on a budget a fraction of his premier league rivals. You've obviously got high standards. What would have been a great job from where he started 5 years ago? They are 7th now. 1st? Champions of Europe. Win a World Cup?

I'm not saying he hasn't done a good job. I'll give you the first bit about taking them from mid table in the Championship to Premier League but I don't think keeping that team he has in the Prem is too amazing an achievement. They are 7th one quarter of the way through the season and they will slide back down again soon enough.

While I would like to see attractive football, like you I'm less concerned about that wins. I'm simply disagreeing with the suggestion that he would change his approach. He won't and the approach he adopts doesn't actually achieve many wins.
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: Bluedylan on October 31, 2017, 04:43:30 PM
Not really sure there's any actual substance to this. I'll believe it when Andy Hunter or Paul Joyce write about it, much more so than 'sky sources'. Wonder if the price has come in on Sky Bet?
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: therealdunc on October 31, 2017, 04:44:00 PM
Correct.
Dyche will not change his approach, he is a negative manager who shows his tactical limitations by his inability to change games and refusal to swap from his plan A as he often doesnít have a plan B beyond Ďget behind the ball and hit it long to a big maní.

Iím sorry, people need to educate themselves and watch the Burnley game last night. Or the game against our poor team at Goodison this season, we where there for the taking and in the end we nearly got a point cause Burnley went negative and didnít make any positive changes.

Speak to Burnley fans, and donít confuse their fondness of him (they are a championship club living the dream) to the fondness of the limitations of their game set up, play and tactics.

Nothing against Sean Dyche, but we donít need another David Moyes.

And Sean Dyche would be coming on a 3 year contract, the argument we just get him in until the end of the season simply wouldnít happen.
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: hill135 on October 31, 2017, 04:45:12 PM
Not really sure there's any actual substance to this. I'll believe it when Andy Hunter or Paul Joyce write about it, much more so than 'sky sources'. Wonder if the price has come in on Sky Bet?

Interestingly Sky are now running with the more modest headline of "Everton interested in Dyche". You might be right.
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: Sir Stealth on October 31, 2017, 04:45:14 PM
Hopefully they've just got a legal obligation to interview one ginger candidate and one fat candidate to fill the equal opportunity quotas, and they bring in Tuchel, who in turn tempts over Aubameyang, Pulisic and Reus to join in January to transform our season and leave us with An acceptable FA Cup and europa League double as well as 2nd in the league before the big title push next season
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: Tinga on October 31, 2017, 04:47:21 PM
Moyes MKII.
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: Cereal Killer on October 31, 2017, 04:47:28 PM
Meh

Whoever it is won't suddenly make us create a ton of chances, we might be tightened up defensively but that's about it until January
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: Ramjam on October 31, 2017, 04:49:07 PM
Fuckin have some of that, thatís the spirit we need
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: Lazarou on October 31, 2017, 04:49:13 PM
we'll be back to the days of trying to loan a player with a view to a permanent signing next

It's amazing how quick the wheels have come off. I can't quite believe it. May be a bit melodramatic but I think I am have actually gone Everton numb with the shock this season. I had so much optimism when we signed Pickford etc.
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: The Analog Kid on October 31, 2017, 04:57:09 PM
Interestingly Sky are now running with the more modest headline of "Everton interested in Dyche". You might be right.

... theyíre also saying (from another source) that the club have also stated they wonít rush into an appointment.
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: therealdunc on October 31, 2017, 04:58:45 PM
Jim white has a direct line to Moshiri, whatever jim white puts out you can guess he might have some inside info.

Not saying itís right that our main owner chats to a tv and radio presenter, but itís his choice.
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: Bluedylan on October 31, 2017, 05:00:15 PM
It's amazing how quick the wheels have come off. I can't quite believe it. May be a bit melodramatic but I think I am have actually gone Everton numb with the shock this season. I had so much optimism when we signed Pickford etc.

At least wait until there's any credibility to these rumours established, like a remotely reputable source. Bet there's been some money wagered on Dyche on sky bet today.
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: Ross on October 31, 2017, 05:03:19 PM
Jim white has a direct line to Moshiri, whatever jim white puts out you can guess he might have some inside info.

Not saying itís right that our main owner chats to a tv and radio presenter, but itís his choice.


What the Jim White who works for Sky? As in the Sky in ďsky sourcesĒ?
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: everton1952 on October 31, 2017, 05:08:02 PM
I long for the day we get adventurous with one of our appointments or signings
We did. Roberto and then Koeman. I take it you supported both choices? Or did you voice your opposition on each occasion?
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: Bluedylan on October 31, 2017, 05:08:19 PM
Burnley Express reckon there is 'no approach imminent' for Dyche. Suggests whilst he's an option, he isn't first choice.

http://www.burnleyexpress.net/sport/football/clarets/no-approach-imminent-for-dyche-1-8832261
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on October 31, 2017, 05:09:01 PM
Its a valid point about the hand they're given, but Martinez did remarkably well with Wigan and didnt succeed. I think any appointment will be a risk regardless of who it is, id just rather we take a risk where the reward, imo, would be greater than what Dyche is able to deliver? Who knows though, Dyche might be tactically very astute and given better resources deliver much higher quality. I just dont really want to sit through hours and hours of 30%, 1 nill football which he seems to deliver, but again this goes back to the 'hand your dealt' comment, so who knows what hed do?
The reward is 7th though and the risk is getting relegated and then we are utterly fucked!
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on October 31, 2017, 05:22:18 PM
Also I fundamentally disagree with two points.

Secondly, manager's don't adapt. It's a myth. They have methods and an approach to the game which they stick with and those methods condition how far their teams go and how far up the food chain that manager will succeed. I could list a thousand examples. He's not gonna come here and start playing more expansive football. We'd set up like Burnley. That's better than what we have now so nothing wrong with that but it's not a recipe for achieving anything of note now or ever.

David Moyes evolving our play as he improved the squad directly contradicts that point.
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: Lxxx on October 31, 2017, 05:25:17 PM
Also I fundamentally disagree with two points.

He's not done an amazing job. He's done a fairly good job in keeping a team with a reasonable chance of staying up in the league.

Secondly, manager's don't adapt. It's a myth. They have methods and an approach to the game which they stick with and those methods condition how far their teams go and how far up the food chain that manager will succeed. I could list a thousand examples. He's not gonna come here and start playing more expansive football. We'd set up like Burnley. That's better than what we have now so nothing wrong with that but it's not a recipe for achieving anything of note now or ever.

Agree to a certain extent. Martinez had a way of playing at a lower league club and won a cup but got them relegated and Dyche has a way of playing with a similar sized club and got them relegated but promoted again. In the end it comes down to resources, both clubs were always going to have a ceiling due to size and budgets and both men have a relegation on their CV.

He'll play a narrow back four to eliminate gaps and put a bank of four ahead to squeeze the play. Keane will look a player again, the rest of the old men at the back will have comfort that their mate is only 10 yards away and we'll become more difficult to score against. Doesn't excite me but then again Everton Football Club haven't excited me for years now, I feel a bit detached writing this as I'm getting to stage where I can't actually get myself bothered about who the next manager is or if we win at weekend.
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: Gary1878 on October 31, 2017, 05:29:36 PM
I think everyone is looking for the next Pochettino, to come in from a smaller club and produce the goods at a higher level. It is however rare for a manager to step up in the way that he did/has.

If we want to compete at the top (or indeed just start competing at all), we need to bring in a manager who is already at the top level. Otherwise, I fear we will be forever searching for  that special one who can step up to the plate.

Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: hill135 on October 31, 2017, 05:30:31 PM
David Moyes evolving our play as he improved the squad directly contradicts that point.

The example of David Moyes exactly proves my point.

Took his solid, unspectacular, functional brand of football with him to Man Utd and failed miserably by dragging them down to the position you'd expect his Everton to finish. His approach to the game conditioned what he could achieve.
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: Waltzer on October 31, 2017, 05:30:48 PM
Agree to a certain extent. Martinez had a way of playing at a lower league club and won a cup but got them relegated and Dyche has a way of playing with a similar sized club and got them relegated but promoted again. In the end it comes down to resources, both clubs were always going to have a ceiling due to size and budgets and both men have a relegation on their CV.

He'll play a narrow back four to eliminate gaps and put a bank of four ahead to squeeze the play. Keane will look a player again, the rest of the old men at the back will have comfort that their mate is only 10 yards away and we'll become more difficult to score against. Doesn't excite me but then again Everton Football Club haven't excited me for years now, I feel a bit detached writing this as I'm getting to stage where I can't actually get myself bothered about who the next manager is or if we win at weekend.

I feel your pain, thats why I was hoping for an appointment that would excite and get my pulse racing again, if this happens its just meh, at best. We missed a huge opportunity in the summer and this will compound that failure. I dont think we are a bottom half side if we get a striker, we need to look beyond this predicament as when we get a striker in January we will shoot up the table, we shouldn't base our managerial appointment on where we are now just cause he'll do a job at stabilising us
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: hill135 on October 31, 2017, 05:37:21 PM
More importantly is it Dyche with a 'ch' or Dyche with a 'c' sound?
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: Macca77 on October 31, 2017, 05:46:12 PM
"Hes got a red beard and we don't care"

Doesn't work really does it
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: Tofifee on October 31, 2017, 05:52:34 PM
The King in the North........

Winter is well and truly fuking here  >:( >:(
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: brap2 on October 31, 2017, 06:02:56 PM
I could get behind this I think.

Plenty of people saying the squad doesn't suit him but I'm not sure.

Williams jags Keane are all poor ball players (where Koeman had always had a van dijk) but good deep block body on the line cb's, plenty of legs in midfield too so I think he could sure us up but would struggle to make chances until bolassie is back.
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: dazfrancis on October 31, 2017, 06:06:54 PM
More importantly is it Dyche with a 'ch' or Dyche with a 'c' sound?

Thought it was more a 'sh' sound
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: Hawkandro on October 31, 2017, 06:19:52 PM
I feel your pain, thats why I was hoping for an appointment that would excite and get my pulse racing again, if this happens its just meh, at best. We missed a huge opportunity in the summer and this will compound that failure. I dont think we are a bottom half side if we get a striker, we need to look beyond this predicament as when we get a striker in January we will shoot up the table, we shouldn't base our managerial appointment on where we are now just cause he'll do a job at stabilising us

That's Everton in a nutshell though; a constant parade of missed opportunities.
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: Redartin on October 31, 2017, 06:52:30 PM
Small time thinking.

You can just hear the conversation:

Walsh: Who do you want me to look at boss.

Dyche: gravel, gravel, There are a few blokes in the Championship that are good, gravel, gravel.

Walsh: What about players abroad? I wouldn't mind another hol in Italy.

Dyche: gravel, gravel, Don't really know any, only ever saw a few on TV, gravel.

Walsh: John Walters supports Everton, will I get him?

Dyche: Yeah good lad is John, Gravel.


I just knew it was going to be this. A trilogy of gingers.
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on October 31, 2017, 07:00:36 PM
Small time thinking.

You can just hear the conversation:

Walsh: Who do you want me to look at boss.

Dyche: gravel, gravel, There are a few blokes in the Championship that are god, gravel, gravel.

Walsh: What about players abroad? I wouldn't mind another hol in Italy.

Dyche: gravel, gravel, Don't really know any, only ever saw a few on TV, gravel.

Walsh: John Walters supports Everton, will I get him?

Dyche: Yeah good lad is John, Gravel.


I just knew it was going to be this. A trilogy of gingers.

Could be worse, he could bring Joey Barton with him  :hmph:
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: Redartin on October 31, 2017, 07:01:47 PM
Could be worse, he could bring Joey Barton with him  :hmph:

He is too fat for Joey's liking.
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on October 31, 2017, 07:16:06 PM
I feel your pain, thats why I was hoping for an appointment that would excite and get my pulse racing again, if this happens its just meh, at best. We missed a huge opportunity in the summer and this will compound that failure. I dont think we are a bottom half side if we get a striker, we need to look beyond this predicament as when we get a striker in January we will shoot up the table, we shouldn't base our managerial appointment on where we are now just cause he'll do a job at stabilising us
I think youíre looking too far ahead. Obviously weíd like a world class manager but itís horses for courses.

Say, hypothetically, we could get Pep and brought him in. What does he know about grinding out results? Being pragmatic? Working with a poor squad that donít have the ability or legs to press and out-pass the opposition?Playing with slow/shite fullbacks? Having no striker? Not having top class players to come off the bench and get you out of the shit every now and then?
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: Bluedylan on October 31, 2017, 07:23:08 PM
I think youíre looking too far ahead. Obviously weíd like a world class manager but itís horses for courses.

Say, hypothetically, we could get Pep and brought him in. What does he know about grinding out results? Being pragmatic?

Edit: My mistake, apologies.
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: Redartin on October 31, 2017, 07:24:36 PM
The only positive I can see in this is that without Dyche Burnley may fall into 18th place in the League, and we may move up to 17th, or the dizzy heights of 16th.
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: Major Clanger on October 31, 2017, 08:17:20 PM
The example of David Moyes exactly proves my point.

Took his solid, unspectacular, functional brand of football with him to Man Utd and failed miserably by dragging them down to the position you'd expect his Everton to finish. His approach to the game conditioned what he could achieve.

That is true but you can't reliably guess the maximum potential of managers until they get in that position (and fail).
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: Fern on October 31, 2017, 08:32:55 PM
Maybe it's good idea to take on Allardyce, only temporarily, to try build that solid foundation we need - we really are in trouble.

Then get in exciting manager we need like Tuchel or Ancelotti, rather than be stuck with Dyche on a long term basis?
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: Faceatthefence on October 31, 2017, 09:11:05 PM
 Whoever comes in will have top weight on to turn these bunch of losers around,im in the tuchel camp if he,d come but what if we went down he,d be off in a shot.Then were would we be,in the championship trying get out at the first attempt with who...simon grayson?Look its been a rollercoaster since moyes left and i for one was glad to see the back of him,Dyche ticks the boxes in our current state and with a few quid to spend no one could predict how good or bad of a manager he would become.
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: blueToffee on October 31, 2017, 09:13:00 PM
I'm not sure which thread is most depressing on the forum right now.

This is a strong contender though.
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: Cozzie on October 31, 2017, 09:25:02 PM
I don't want allardyce, don't really want Dyche either.

I agree with the sentiments though if we are gonna think about getting Dyche we may as well just get Allardyce in short term, exactly the same sort of manager.

Get the ship steadied and then get a more progressive manager in at the end of the season.

Dyche will want a long term deal and in all honesty it will get to a point where he will take us to where he can and then be stuck with him, that is my worry, Moyes MK2.

I'd love a Tuchel or an Anchelotti style manager in but they aren't gonna sort out our defensive issues or our solidity in any way at all.

It's a double edged sword, we do, unfortunately need a ship steadier for now as sad as it is to say that, but I don't want a permanent negative manager at the helm.

But hey, I am absolutely fucking powerless to whatever the club decide to do so will back whatever decision they make. 
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 31, 2017, 10:03:26 PM
Are we saying it's impossible to break the top 6 with what we consider negative football. Someone needs to tell mourinho or Diego Simeone.
I've no real clue if dyche is the right man or not. Think none of us have real confidence that anyone on the list would certainly be great here. I'm not having his style of football creates a ceiling for results though. That just seems like nonsense. Think we as fans are way too snobby. We talk as if we demand to be entertained by free flowing football while the reality is we've spent most of the last 30 years without it and not winning too much either. I just want to win some football games. Rather a pragmatic dyche for that than a lunatic like Martinez.
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: Waltzer on October 31, 2017, 10:09:43 PM
I don't want allardyce, don't really want Dyche either.

I agree with the sentiments though if we are gonna think about getting Dyche we may as well just get Allardyce in short term, exactly the same sort of manager.

Get the ship steadied and then get a more progressive manager in at the end of the season.

Dyche will want a long term deal and in all honesty it will get to a point where he will take us to where he can and then be stuck with him, that is my worry, Moyes MK2.

I'd love a Tuchel or an Anchelotti style manager in but they aren't gonna sort out our defensive issues or our solidity in any way at all.

It's a double edged sword, we do, unfortunately need a ship steadier for now as sad as it is to say that, but I don't want a permanent negative manager at the helm.

But hey, I am absolutely fucking powerless to whatever the club decide to do so will back whatever decision they make. 

I think were going OTT about how bad our squad is. Remove the failure to secure a striker and we have enhanced our squad dramatically from the one that finished 7th last year, when we get a striker the entire picture changes in my opinion. I think Tuchel or Ancelotti wouldnt have an issue coming in in January, buying a striker then we'd fly up the table, dont think about a short term appointment based on our current predicament as regardless of who we get it, its going to be a struggle until Jan.
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: therealdunc on October 31, 2017, 10:18:14 PM
We have a decent team, the problem is we had Ronald Koeman who made a multitude of errors and we have a stand in caretaker manager who has shown himself to be tactically clueless at this level.

A decent manager and we will do okay.
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: BlueForYou on October 31, 2017, 10:20:22 PM
Name him
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: therealdunc on October 31, 2017, 10:27:15 PM
See other thread

Rafa Benitez or Sam Allardyce
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: bacon sarnie on October 31, 2017, 10:32:32 PM
Ah fuck but it is Halloween.
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: Coyb12 on October 31, 2017, 10:34:31 PM
Dyche is a fucking dinosaur, Allardyce  till end of the season.
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 31, 2017, 10:41:15 PM
I see Farhad and Bill have finally gotten around to drawing a name out of the hat.

If you want to know why we're going nowhere, it starts with those two. Zero clue about football between the two of them.

If kramer's panicking that's good enough for me.  :(
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: kramer0 on October 31, 2017, 10:44:59 PM
If kramer's panicking that's good enough for me.  :(

I'm not panicking. I'd say I feel defeated more than anything else.

As long as Moshiri/Kenwright have no idea what's going on, we're doomed to mediocrity or worse.
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on October 31, 2017, 11:33:17 PM
I think were going OTT about how bad our squad is. Remove the failure to secure a striker and we have enhanced our squad dramatically from the one that finished 7th last year, when we get a striker the entire picture changes in my opinion. I think Tuchel or Ancelotti wouldnt have an issue coming in in January, buying a striker then we'd fly up the table, dont think about a short term appointment based on our current predicament as regardless of who we get it, its going to be a struggle until Jan.
How come our starting 11s are full of kids that arenít ready and over the hill veterans then? Of these Ďgoodí players we have such as Sandro and Klassen they obviously have talent but there is absolutely zero evidence to assume theyíve got anything to offer us this season.

And as for the striker situation - we might be able to turn a playerís head with wages but whoís to say we can attract anyone of sufficient quality? Sufficient quality to come in a start banging the goals in.
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: bluestevie on October 31, 2017, 11:44:57 PM
We have a decent team, the problem is we had Ronald Koeman who made a multitude of errors and we have a stand in caretaker manager who has shown himself to be tactically clueless at this level.

A decent manager and we will do okay.

See other thread

Rafa Benitez or Sam Allardyce

One of those is not like the other
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: brap2 on November 01, 2017, 12:23:13 AM
Dyche is a fucking dinosaur, Allardyce  till end of the season.

Hahah yeah who wants a dinosaur let's get the lithe modern manager 'big' sam allardyce
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: gizzblue on November 01, 2017, 12:24:20 AM
More shite from sky ....They have already said there is no hurry and not gonna rush it ...
Ffs we gave two shit managers years between them ....we can give Unsy till crimbo at least .
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: Coyb12 on November 01, 2017, 12:32:07 AM
Hahah yeah who wants a dinosaur let's get the lithe modern manager 'big' sam allardyce
Ex England manager lad,sports science buff,gets teams out of shit lad,naw fuck it keep Unsworth he won the U/23 league.
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: blueToffee on November 01, 2017, 12:40:35 AM
More shite from sky ....They have already said there is no hurry and not gonna rush it ...
Ffs we gave two shit managers years between them ....we can give Unsy till crimbo at least .

Nah, we can't let this problem fester until Christmas. We simply don't have that luxury. We have major issues all over the place and to hand that over to an untested manager is almost as bad as going into a PL season having to rely on a 20 year old to take over for a player who scored and was involved with 90% of our goals last year.

Would be negligence for a club our size, and frankly as I said earlier we should've spoken to people before we sacked Koeman rather than sounding out the likes of Allardyce and co now.
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: Redartin on November 01, 2017, 12:48:38 AM
Telling you now it is going to be Dyche, end of debate.

The only way it will not be him, is if he says, "No".

Can any of you see that happening?
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: gizzblue on November 01, 2017, 12:51:04 AM
Nah, we can't let this problem fester until Christmas. We simply don't have that luxury. We have major issues all over the place and to hand that over to an untested manager is almost as bad as going into a PL season having to rely on a 20 year old to take over for a player who scored and was involved with 90% of our goals last year.

Would be negligence for a club our size, and frankly as I said earlier we should've spoken to people before we sacked Koeman rather than sounding out the likes of Allardyce and co now.
So how long do you give him ??....he's had two games and a handful of training sessions ...were not fucking palace gonna replace him after four matches.

Get a win under the teams belt and most of the rediculous Allerdyce shouts will fuck off .
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: Heisenberg on November 01, 2017, 12:51:58 AM
You lot are mad thinking we need dyche or allardyce to 'steady the ship' theres like 80 points still to play for and a transfer window. Dyche long term and you can forget about actually challenging the top 4 anytime within the next 5 years
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: GLewis on November 01, 2017, 12:55:25 AM
So how long do you give him ??....he's had two games and a handful of training sessions ...were not fucking palace gonna replace him after four matches.

Get a win under the teams belt and most of the rediculous Allerdyce shouts will fuck off .

HEs only a caretaker.

If Tuchel said yes tomorrow then heíd be picking the team vs Watford.

This isnít an actual trial for Unsy and if he does ok then weíll keep him.

There are more managers out there than Dyche and Allardyce.

Or at the other end of the spectrum than Tuchel or Ancellotti.

We paid Koeman £6m a year. Martinez and Moyes were on £3 to 4m a year.

Thatís massive money to most managers so loads will be interested.
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: Heisenberg on November 01, 2017, 12:56:41 AM
HEs only a caretaker.

If Tuchel said yes tomorrow then heíd be picking the team vs Watford.

This isnít an actual trial for Unsy and if he does ok then weíll keep him.

There are more managers out there than Dyche and Allardyce.

Or at the other end of the spectrum than Tuchel or Ancellotti.

We paid Koeman £6m a year. Martinez and Moyes were on £3 to 4m a year.

Thatís massive money to most managers so loads will be interested.

It's a shame we really find it impossible to look abroad for transfers and managers. The most boring and predictable club in the world
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: Bluedylan on November 01, 2017, 12:59:07 AM
People on here have gone into panic and crisis modes way, way too early. One win and decent performance against Watford and the entire outlook would change. Calm down and stop being so emotional.
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: Dr. Sponge on November 01, 2017, 01:05:59 AM
I'd be happy with Dyche. Tactically, he knows his shit. He also gets his teams motivated.
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: Waltzer on November 01, 2017, 01:12:02 AM
How come our starting 11s are full of kids that aren't ready and over the hill veterans then? Of these "good' players we have such as Sandro and Klassen they obviously have talent but there is absolutely zero evidence to assume they've got anything to offer us this season.

And as for the striker situation - we might be able to turn a player's head with wages but who's to say we can attract anyone of sufficient quality? Sufficient quality to come in a start banging the goals in.
I find out hard that anyone can argue Pickford, Keane, Vlasic, Sigurdsson and Rooney make our squad much stronger? And is our starting 11 really full of kids? For the best part of the season its only been DCL and maybe Holgate that have started regularly, the rest have come in during the previous 2 games. Yes, we do have ageing players but I strongly believe its our inability to score that is the route to most of our problems and once resolved well be much better. We have no chance of replacing lukaku like for like, but we will get someone that is much more competent than we currently do.
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: van der Meyde on November 01, 2017, 01:15:32 AM
People on here have gone into panic and crisis modes way, way too early. One win and decent performance against Watford and the entire outlook would change. Calm down and stop being so emotional.
Arsenal? Better players than us.
Chelsea, across the starting 11 and substitutions? Better players than us.
Lyon? Better players than us.
Leicester? A more controversial shout, but by virtue of their attack they've got better players than us.

We'll be fine once we start playing against the shite teams and there's plenty of those in the Premier League. We just need to stop conceding early first goals.
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: TheTone on November 01, 2017, 01:16:54 AM
Arsenal? Better players than us.
Chelsea, across the starting 11 and substitutions? Better players than us.
Lyon? Better players than us.
Leicester? A more controversial shout, but by virtue of their attack they've got better players than us.

We'll be fine once we start playing against the shite teams and there's plenty of those in the Premier League. We just need to stop conceding early first goals.

Like Brighton

Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: Mayor Farnum on November 01, 2017, 01:18:55 AM
Our players should be taken to task over this whole farce. They decide they don't like Koemen, probably because he spoke to them like adults, so they down tools and get him sacked. It ends up costing the club a small fortune and we will end up with an inferior manager.

However, the new manager will get slightly better results because the little darlings will feel loved again.

Football players suck!
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: Bluedylan on November 01, 2017, 01:20:10 AM
It's a shame two of the better, more realistic shouts, Rodgers and Benitez are tainted by their involvement with Lucifer.

I do actually think Rodgers is a really talented coach, plays good football and would improve our young players loads. Also it's a shame that he's basically David Brent.

And Benitez is a very capable, organising, tactically aware manager but again I couldn't stomach him personally. They would be good options otherwise.
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: van der Meyde on November 01, 2017, 01:23:43 AM
Like Brighton


Must have missed the bit where they beat us.

You could have said Burnley and had a better point. :)
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: blueToffee on November 01, 2017, 01:24:12 AM
So how long do you give him ??....he's had two games and a handful of training sessions ...were not fucking palace gonna replace him after four matches.

Get a win under the teams belt and most of the rediculous Allerdyce shouts will fuck off .

Well he's a caretaker manager so it's not really the same thing if he only has a couple of games in charge. Nobody bats an eyelid if an interim manager is even gone after 1 game.

Personally, if we'd had any sort of imagination behind the scenes I'd have had a target in mind, spoken to their agent weeks ago and had them in by now or very, very latest coming in at the start of the international break. So I guess I don't think he should've even had this long.

I just don't think we can behave in a lackadaisical manner given the problems we need to sort out. Say Koeman had somehow been given the Barca job, none of this past summer happened in terms of ins and outs and we had the exact same players as last year, I'd be far more willing to allow a search with Unsworth in charge. That team wasn't perfect of course but it had ways of winning games and could've done so whoever was there to an extent so he could've had a chance to find his feet. Right now, given the range of issues we're facing giving this to an inexperienced manager is just an unnecessary risk. Even with an experienced manager it's a concerning situation right now, that might not be fixed until we can bring in new players (and possibly need them to settle in).

Recruitment has been a concern too and at the forefront of the selection process. Poor transfer policy got us into this mess and whoever comes in will be absolutely pivotal in turning our situation around both short and longer term. I'd be far more confident in a Tuchel or Ancelotti (not that I think the latter is a fit) along with a big wad of cash getting the sort of calibre players we need into the club than I do an Unsworth or Dyche.
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: brap2 on November 01, 2017, 01:27:29 AM
Ex England manager lad,sports science buff,gets teams out of shit lad,naw fuck it keep Unsworth he won the U/23 league.

He is a sports science buff and he does get teams out the shit I will give you that yeah, I just thought it was funny the way you think Dyche is a dinosaur compared to Allardyce.
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: Heisenberg on November 01, 2017, 01:28:23 AM
It's a shame two of the better, more realistic shouts, Rodgers and Benitez are tainted by their involvement with Lucifer.

I do actually think Rodgers is a really talented coach, plays good football and would improve our young players loads. Also it's a shame that he's basically David Brent.

And Benitez is a very capable, organising, tactically aware manager but again I couldn't stomach him personally. They would be good options otherwise.

Id have benitez before rogers any day of the week. Both in terms of manageria ability and personality wise. Rodgers is a weapon
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: Waltzer on November 01, 2017, 01:31:29 AM
Id have benitez before rogers any day of the week. Both in terms of manageria ability and personality wise. Rodgers is a weapon
I don't think I could take Benitez, he'd be the kind that would do really well then walk back over the park at the drop of a hat if they came calling without thinking twice
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: Mayor Farnum on November 01, 2017, 01:39:42 AM
Id have benitez before rogers any day of the week. Both in terms of manageria ability and personality wise. Rodgers is a weapon

Benitez would delight in giving us a very public 'No'
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: BlueForYou on November 01, 2017, 01:50:42 AM
Couldn't agree more, Mayor Farnum

Rodgers is a top coach and according to Gerrard the best at man management

Kendall never thought twice about buying players direct from Liverpool and he nearly managed to sign Ian Rush, not once but twice - no qualms!

Genuine Liverpool men like Shankly, Paisley, Fagan, Dalglish, Souness and Evans, sure - not a cat in hells chance

Rodgers still has something to prove and is only in his early/mid forties - young enough, ambitious enough and not directly from Liverpool

Don't worry, won't happen

Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 01, 2017, 02:20:51 AM
People on here have gone into panic and crisis modes way, way too early. One win and decent performance against Watford and the entire outlook would change. Calm down and stop being so emotional.

I totally agree. The problem is we haven't actually put in a decent win deserving performance this season in the league.

Think people lost a little with unsworths team selection. We need sandro and vlasic contributing. I'm genuinely baffled that lookman didn't get off the bench. I know it's early but people are now worried that unsworth is gonna play the players he knows and them players aren't good enough. If we persist with DCL until Jan we'll be in the bottom 3 still. He simply isn't a top flight player, not in any aspect. If we don't find a way to create chances and if we don't find ourselves a goalscorer now then we are going to be down the bottom for longer and longer
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: Redartin on November 01, 2017, 03:26:31 AM
Saying as this thread has gone way way off topic .... this is how I see it.

Lyon will beat us, no problem. Then on Sunday the Europa Thurs / Sunday jinx will kick in, and Watford, (smarting from their defeat last week to Stoke), will also beat us. Rhino's 4 matches all ending in defeats, and with that, his chance.

During the international break (and this is where I bring the thread back on topic ) Dyche will be installed as our new manager.

Remember where you read it first.

BTW I hope I am wrong on all accounts.
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: Normm on November 01, 2017, 03:33:16 AM
Please no!

I would rather have Moyse back.

For heavens sake, surely no one's listening to Barton? Unsy's in charge - give the man a decent chance. He had less than one week to prepare for two games.

No snap decisions ... Let's see how we fair over the next two games!

Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: Craig_1878 on November 01, 2017, 04:31:33 AM
I think its quite easy to write Dyche off because he's English and therefore not a fashionable name.

I do get that on the face of it he isn't the most exotic or inspiring name, but i think if you look beyond that i think he could be a great appointment.

For starters he'll give us the organisation we're crying out for at the moment and we'll start grinding out results. Beyond that, he'll go from having the smallest budget in the Prem to having big money to spend, so who's to say he couldn't take us to the next level?

Athletico have proved over the last couple of years that you can play 'negatively' and be successful, and maybe they should be the blueprint for us. I'm obviously not saying Dyche is anywhere near Simeone's level, but he's proof that its an effective style to compete with teams who have bigger budgets are better technically.

Its also interesting imo that Dyche has a slightly better win % ratio than Tuchel did when he went from Mainz to Dortmund.

Saying that, obviously we might get Dyche and he might turn out to be shite, but i think people are being too quick to write him off.

www.umaxit.com/index.php/columns/sean-dyche-is-the-premier-leagues-diego-simeone#comments

Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: KingOfNapaValley on November 01, 2017, 04:42:30 AM
I would rather re-hire Koeman than get Dyche.
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: TheRam on November 01, 2017, 05:28:08 AM
It's a shame two of the better, more realistic shouts, Rodgers and Benitez are tainted by their involvement with Lucifer.

I do actually think Rodgers is a really talented coach, plays good football and would improve our young players loads. Also it's a shame that he's basically David Brent.

And Benitez is a very capable, organising, tactically aware manager but again I couldn't stomach him personally. They would be good options otherwise.

Rodgers would be run away favourite if it wasn't for his Liverpool past.

He'd be great here as well.
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: Bob Sacamano on November 01, 2017, 05:31:20 AM
I whispered Rogers to my red mate earlier today. He reckons he would be class for us.
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: kramer0 on November 01, 2017, 05:34:00 AM
Rodgers is actually a good tactician overall. From a pure coaching point-of-view, I'd be on board.

Is he still a horrible cringe-bag?
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: Bob Sacamano on November 01, 2017, 05:35:25 AM
Rodgers is actually a good tactician overall.

Is he still a horrible cringe-bag?

Most def.
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on November 01, 2017, 05:36:29 AM
No chance Rodgers would take it.
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: Redartin on November 01, 2017, 05:42:19 AM
Athletico have proved over the last couple of years that you can play 'negatively' and be successful, and maybe they should be the blueprint for us. I'm obviously not saying Dyche is anywhere near Simeone's level, but he's proof that its an effective style to compete with teams who have bigger budgets are better technically.


After tonight's results Simeone may soon be available.
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: everton1952 on November 01, 2017, 05:42:46 AM
Didn't he have reasons other than football to depart from Merseyside? Only a lunatic would join us from a club permanently in the Champions League every season through winning a totally shite league with ease in front of big adoring crowds.
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: The Analog Kid on November 01, 2017, 05:47:22 AM
Iíd have Rodgers. He was so close to being the first manager in nearly 30 years to getting the shite their first league title, theyíve not come that close before or after.

Benitez still wants another shot at the Liverpool job I reckon.
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: Bob Sacamano on November 01, 2017, 05:51:02 AM
No chance Rodgers would take it.

Heíd no doubt pull out some really cringy moral high ground stuff.
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: brap2 on November 01, 2017, 07:06:53 AM
Rodgers is actually a good tactician overall. From a pure coaching point-of-view, I'd be on board.

Is he still a horrible cringe-bag?

If only he hadn't been at the shite and if he wasn't such a painfully bad meff, I could get on board.
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: Cozzie on November 01, 2017, 01:12:32 PM
Nah. Sorry lads these Rodgers shouts are the worst I have seen so far.

Suarez got Liverpool close to the title, not him.

I'd pack in football and burst the warts on Richard Meadleys arse for a living if we gave it to Rodgers.
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: JordanianEmbassy on November 01, 2017, 07:37:43 PM
I'd be fine with Benitez, infact he's one of only interesting names being mentioned.

Rogers - no way.
Title: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: ally2 on November 01, 2017, 08:03:09 PM
I also think Rodgers would do well even though he's a complete bell. I'm surprised there's not so much enthusiasm about Ancelotti though. He's one the greatest managers ever. And I believe he would be highly motivated to not tarnish his reputation by a last call relatively high risk job.
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: Major Clanger on November 01, 2017, 08:13:07 PM
Has anyone mentioned Tim Sherwood yet?
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: Lxxx on November 01, 2017, 08:20:10 PM
Bit grim this potential shortlist isn't it.
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: gizzblue on November 01, 2017, 08:40:17 PM
Has anyone mentioned Tim Sherwood yet?
Yes early in the thread ,under the heading
Alright slaags 😅😅
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on November 01, 2017, 08:47:27 PM
Bit grim this potential shortlist isn't it.
Managers in general are much maligned though. Half Utd fans will tell you Mourinho is shit.
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: gizzblue on November 01, 2017, 08:49:20 PM
Managers in general are much maligned though. Half Utd fans will tell you Mourinho is shit.
He's had his chance to be an Everton legend ...fuck him 😅😅
Title: Re: Everton approach Dyche
Post by: Confucius on November 01, 2017, 10:15:11 PM
I think the lack of names and rumours is a good thing. The Board are taking their time and evaluating the situation. not a knee jerk thing.

it's kind of like this everytime they open NSNO and read the next name one of us mention.

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