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Title: Niasse
Post by: blargins on November 06, 2017, 01:11:00 AM
He's utterly shit, he really shouldn't be doing as well as he is, but you can't help but love him. Just goes to show that desire, passion and work rate often out ranks shear talent.

Check out the goal scoring stats:

http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/premier-league/top-scorers

He's got the best goals to minutes ratio out of everyone lol
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 06, 2017, 01:13:41 AM
He's like a crap Paulo wanchope. Love the dopey bastard though. Least he works hard and least he's a constant irritation to defenders. Also seems to know where the goal is
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: blargins on November 06, 2017, 01:16:16 AM
Yep. Averages a goal a game. Can't complain about that.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: blueToffee on November 06, 2017, 01:16:19 AM
Oumar Niasse

72  Minutes per goal
288  Minutes played

While there are issues with any of our options, when we're so lacking in goals I think we're at a point where we almost have no other choice than to start him until January at least.

Joint top PL scorer with Rooney now on 4.

Happy for DCL to break his duck today, hopefully he can kick on from there but I'd rather DCL was coming on with 20 to go at this point in his development.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Lxxx on November 06, 2017, 01:21:30 AM
You wouldn't sell him. Even when we do buy better players up top he's a very useful option from the bench, as he's shown, and will probably be happy with his lot even if that was his new role. Taking his price tag out of the equation he's a very decent squad player. 
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Cozzie on November 06, 2017, 01:22:04 AM
Agreed.

He is beyond garbage but the man is absolutely hilarious.

Just simply can't help but love him.

I said when he signed that he would give us some hilarious miscontrolling of the ball and I was not wrong.
Title: Niasse Appreciation Thread
Post by: Smingers on November 06, 2017, 01:23:04 AM
This guy. He needs his own thread which goes over 100 pages. I've said this before, he's one of the most committed, dedicated, and professional players I've seen. Yes he's not the best and yes he's not technically or visually appealing, but where he lacks in those qualities he makes up with the commitment and dedication.

We need to be playing him in every minute of every game (apart from Europa, thanks Ronald). Because of his unconventional way of playing defenders will not like it. Keep going Niasse! You da man! For now....

Please keep posting what makes you happy about Niasse

(https://i2-prod.liverpoolecho.co.uk/incoming/article11199407.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/JS81656145.jpg)
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Shogun on November 06, 2017, 01:25:21 AM
Didn't see anything today that suggested he was garbage.

Held up the ball well, run the channels, drew fouls, kicked their keeper in the head, scored a goal and led from the front.

Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Ell Capitan on November 06, 2017, 01:28:22 AM
For all his many, many faults, the most important thing about him right now is that he can finish.

In a team like ours which creates precious few chances, he's arguably indispensable because there's no one else who can play up top who knows where the back of the net is.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on November 06, 2017, 01:31:56 AM
A lot of people may not like this, but Niasse should start INSTEAD of Rooney.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Ross on November 06, 2017, 01:32:13 AM
Never going to be accepted by some because he was a Martinez player.

But the fact is he scores goals and is a nuisance for defenders and we need more of that.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: blargins on November 06, 2017, 01:37:55 AM
I'd prefer to see him as a super sub, although he scored today, most of his goals have come from the bench (hence his goals to minutes ratio).

And I really wish we'd got someone else instead of Rooney too.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: blueski on November 06, 2017, 01:38:08 AM
loved the work rate from him today - absolutely brilliant
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Mayor Farnum on November 06, 2017, 01:38:24 AM
He's an instinctive player, which is what we need in our situation. No overthinking things and getting in a mental mess.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Lxxx on November 06, 2017, 01:40:52 AM
Can we dispense with the 'he's utterly shit' and other descriptions of the like as well. We, he and everyone else knows he's not the most gifted but give it a rest with the gutter language.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Audrey Horne on November 06, 2017, 01:43:57 AM
Never going to be accepted by some because he was a Martinez player.


::)
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Sir Stealth on November 06, 2017, 01:44:36 AM
If you think heís shit you can pretty much do one, because he isnít

Dragged us out of the mire today, worked his fucking arse off, causes problems, is fast, scores goals, changes games and thatís what itís all about

Played Oumar
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: toffee_scot on November 06, 2017, 01:49:16 AM
Niasse plays with his heart and soul and considering how crap Everton have been this season, he's already scored 5 goals despite not playing very often especially towards the start of the season and having to endure the Koeman treatment.

I think he deserves some much needed praise for helping especially in games where we've needed it the most.

Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 06, 2017, 01:52:11 AM
Yeah he's not the most visually pleasing player but he's useful. He does a lot of hard work and he seems to get a fair few goals too.

I'd happily see him start every game at the moment. They'll be times we dispair when he does something daft but over 90 minutes he contributes plenty to the team
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: blargins on November 06, 2017, 01:52:46 AM
If you think heís shit you can pretty much do one, because he isnít

Dragged us out of the mire today, worked his fucking arse off, causes problems, is fast, scores goals, changes games and thatís what itís all about

Played Oumar

He's a poor player in terms of all the attributes required to be a top striker. What he does have is goals of course.

Kind of the opposite of the strikers we have had in the past that have led the line well, brought others into the game and so on. Except score goals.

Put those two together, you'd have a top striker.

Put the bad parts together, you'd have John Spencer :)
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: velimski on November 06, 2017, 01:53:12 AM
If he was playing up front for City he'd be in double figures by now and nobody would be saying that he's shit.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on November 06, 2017, 02:10:13 AM
Made up for the lad,especially after his bad treatment the last months, and he still puts the shirt on with a smile, he might not be top drawer but he certainly isn't shit.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Jimmywhack on November 06, 2017, 02:14:12 AM


Never going to be accepted by some because he was a Martinez player.


Fucking hell
Even by you that's shite
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Toddacelli on November 06, 2017, 02:18:53 AM
Copy and paste from the match thread because I didn't realise that Saint Oumar of the Lost Cause had his own thread  :)


Niasse is a pest. I would hate playing against him as a centre half. I would back myself to stay tight for a while and take the ball off him enough because of his first touch, but you just know over 90 mins he would run you ragged and you would get further and further away from him until he did you in.

He's like erosion!

All the stuff about hard work aside though - his movement's excellent at times. Like when he went out wide and then ran back in for Lookman to play him in for the goal. Brilliant. Not just a work-horse at all.


P.S. I'm not backing myself against Niasse as a fat and forty armchair fan - I'm putting myself in the shoes of a PL defender - before anyone loses their tiny little mind over it.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Silas on November 06, 2017, 02:20:03 AM
Everything about him shouldn't work. He's clumsy and has little technique. He's willing and has a tenacity though and for a team that's struggling that's vital. He's nowhere near as bad as I thought he was.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Bob Sacamano on November 06, 2017, 02:31:55 AM
The Wanchope shout is a shout.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: blargins on November 06, 2017, 02:35:12 AM
Ok, my utterly shit comment is OTT. I think @Silas (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=100) nailed it. He just shouldn't work, but he does.

And I am very happy he is doing well for us.

Two games he's won for us this season. Trying to think if Lukaku actually won any for us last season? He probably did, my memory is of him scoring when we're already ahead most of the time.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Lxxx on November 06, 2017, 02:36:40 AM
He's shown in the 18 months he's been here that he's listened to advice, probably from Unsy, and taken on board what he needs to do to have a decent stab at a career in this country. He's not blessed with a traditional football upbringing so he lacks technical ability but he works his socks off and for that you'll always get a certain amount of respect from peers and fans.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Toddacelli on November 06, 2017, 02:46:16 AM
Would love one of the tech bods like @kramer0 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4360) to find graphics of the runs he makes - I think he's often very clever off the ball and the timings of his runs is either great, or just good and his pace makes up for the rest.


(sorry Kramer - I know you're not a DJ - didn't mean to be putting in requests  :)  )
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Paddockoldie on November 06, 2017, 02:46:37 AM
If the rest of the squad displayed the pride he does we'd be a better team for it. Whether he's talented or not he wears that shirt with pride.. he's a blue for me.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: boothill on November 06, 2017, 02:48:06 AM
he came in to clock view hospital the week before last, meeting patients and staff, then done an hours gym work with the patients. he,s a lovely fella and comes across as very genuine. EITC do loads at clock view, makes me proud to support them
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: brap2 on November 06, 2017, 03:02:11 AM
Didn't see anything today that suggested he was garbage.

Held up the ball well, run the channels, drew fouls, kicked their keeper in the head, scored a goal and led from the front.



The turn for Sigurdsson’s chance was superb, the ball was fine as well, on a plate.

He does occasionally just bounce the ball out for a throw in or do a an odd kick or flick on that loses possession.

But fucking hell hes got a pair of bollocks on him. Chases absolutely everything and has the most expensive knack in football.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: cantoffee on November 06, 2017, 03:06:09 AM
Taking Gomes out changed the game. That other keeper was an absolute shambles.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on November 06, 2017, 03:06:37 AM
His football is a cacophony of accidents, some happy some misfortunate.

Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Macca77 on November 06, 2017, 03:12:22 AM
Just look at his smile though

Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: duncandisorderly on November 06, 2017, 03:12:32 AM
I love Niasse he just doesn't stop, he's like the terminator. He must be an absolute nightmare to play against. Needs to start more games for work rate and nuisance value alone.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: blargins on November 06, 2017, 03:16:11 AM
Taking Gomes out changed the game. That other keeper was an absolute shambles.

During the match I was saying on here I hope that wanker Gomes goes off. Bastard always has the game of his life against us and was doing so until he got injured.

Also think this game proves injured players should leave the pitch to get treatment. Three times Watford players caused that lengthy time added on. Ok Gomes was probably legit, but he only needed to roll over 3 feet.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Brownie20 on November 06, 2017, 03:18:16 AM
I don't know if it was mentioned in the match day thread as I only came in at the end but for his goal shouldn't the Watford player have also been sent off? The ref played advantage for the tackle but it did stop a clear goal scoring opportunity and it was only the fact that the ball rolled in after his initial touch. Anywhere else on the field after an advantage like that the ref goes back and cards the offender
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 06, 2017, 03:38:10 AM
I don't know if it was mentioned in the match day thread as I only came in at the end but for his goal shouldn't the Watford player have also been sent off? The ref played advantage for the tackle but it did stop a clear goal scoring opportunity and it was only the fact that the ball rolled in after his initial touch. Anywhere else on the field after an advantage like that the ref goes back and cards the offender

I assume it can't be a red as the ball has ended up in the net so nothing denied

My question would be shouldn't the advantage be an advantage. This 1 is debatable as to if we'd prefer the goal or a red and a penalty. Odds wise you'd probably be better with the latter but generally advantage now seems to be still in possession even when the free kick would be an advantage
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Toddacelli on November 06, 2017, 03:38:33 AM
The way he chases everything down though!


(https://toddacelli.files.wordpress.com/2017/11/oumar-niasse2.png)
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: AllyBlue14 on November 06, 2017, 03:40:44 AM
I don't know if it was mentioned in the match day thread as I only came in at the end but for his goal shouldn't the Watford player have also been sent off? The ref played advantage for the tackle but it did stop a clear goal scoring opportunity and it was only the fact that the ball rolled in after his initial touch. Anywhere else on the field after an advantage like that the ref goes back and cards the offender

That's like one of those 'you're the referee' questions, but I was asking the same thing. Perhaps it's the double jeopardy thing, aren't they trying to stop giving red cards and penalties now, for example, or have I just imagined that?
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: AllyBlue14 on November 06, 2017, 03:45:53 AM
I love Oumar. His control is horrendous at times, but get the ball in and around the box and he comes into his own. Given that we haven't been able to hit a cow's arse with a banjo all season, that's worth its weight in gold.

Plus, you see the amount of home-grown lads in the team today, many of them supporting Everton from childhood. Niasse hasn't, and has been treated like absolute shit during his time here, yet it means so much to him. He just seems like a great guy, gives absolutely everything for the team and has been pivotal in pretty much anything good that has happened for us this season.

Favourite player by a mile atm.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Gash on November 06, 2017, 03:48:33 AM
Still don't think he's particularly good but he's coming up with goals and that's what we desperately need. You can't knock his attitude though and his work rate and effort is fantastic. If the the story is right of Schneiderlin and Mirallas having some sort of fall out/attitude problem in training are correct then they could do worse than to take a leaf out of Niasse's book, get there heads down and earn a place back in the team.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: bacon sarnie on November 06, 2017, 03:52:03 AM
He's fuckin ace. End of.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Bally on November 06, 2017, 03:54:01 AM


Never going to be accepted by some because he was a Martinez player.

Fucking pile of bollocks
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Bally on November 06, 2017, 03:56:36 AM
he came in to clock view hospital the week before last, meeting patients and staff, then done an hours gym work with the patients. he,s a lovely fella and comes across as very genuine. EITC do loads at clock view, makes me proud to support them
Right behind my house that place
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Bally on November 06, 2017, 03:58:28 AM
I don't know if it was mentioned in the match day thread as I only came in at the end but for his goal shouldn't the Watford player have also been sent off? The ref played advantage for the tackle but it did stop a clear goal scoring opportunity and it was only the fact that the ball rolled in after his initial touch. Anywhere else on the field after an advantage like that the ref goes back and cards the offender
Yes he should have seen red, the ref should've booked a good few today their centre half should have had about 6 yellows he was hugging Niasse all fucking game.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: boothill on November 06, 2017, 04:00:20 AM
Right behind my house that place
lucky you ;-)
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Bally on November 06, 2017, 04:03:18 AM
Fucking loved the Gwladys and the paddock singing his name at the end and him just standing there flexing with a smile as wide as the fucking Mersey, he was fucking boss today, yes he's like bambi on ice at times but you know what, he's clever fucker, some of the runs he was making today were outstanding, and he's rarely caught offside, plus he's fast as fuck, I mean like deceptively fast.

Fucking loved him today man, and the fact he was just bullied by Koeman and the club allowed it, his attitude is fucking amazing.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: gizzblue on November 06, 2017, 04:03:45 AM
I fucking love this guy .....he's not Pele or Ronaldo (fat) ...but fuck me he's a royal blue pain in the arse for the opposition ....and they hate him you can see it .
Play him all the time from now on Unsworth it's the one thing you've done right ...Possibly Martinez best purchase .
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Bally on November 06, 2017, 04:04:15 AM
lucky you ;-)
Got the progressive school in between me and that like
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Major Clanger on November 06, 2017, 04:07:05 AM
I don't know if it was mentioned in the match day thread as I only came in at the end but for his goal shouldn't the Watford player have also been sent off? The ref played advantage for the tackle but it did stop a clear goal scoring opportunity and it was only the fact that the ball rolled in after his initial touch. Anywhere else on the field after an advantage like that the ref goes back and cards the offender

No. But he should've been booked.

They changed the law recently to basically say it's only a red if it isn't a genuine challenge for the ball.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: boothill on November 06, 2017, 04:09:07 AM
Got the progressive school in between me and that like
come off a night shift and that pub on corner next to school is open for business, have you tried it bally ?
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Brownie20 on November 06, 2017, 04:09:24 AM
No. But he should've been booked.

They changed the law recently to basically say it's only a red if it isn't a genuine challenge for the ball.

Fair enough
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Paddockoldie on November 06, 2017, 04:12:33 AM
Got the progressive school in between me and that like

Wasn't that Walton hospital once? I trained there in the 80's.. changed so much now by the look of satellite image.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: boothill on November 06, 2017, 04:16:52 AM
Wasn't that Walton hospital once? I trained there in the 80's.. changed so much now by the look of satellite image.
clock view built on old walton hozi site, haunted aswell
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: boothill on November 06, 2017, 04:17:57 AM
the prince arthur  :cheers:
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Paddockoldie on November 06, 2017, 04:21:12 AM
clock view built on old walton hozi site, haunted aswell

Yeah.. it was a workhouse in it's dark past. I lived in the 2 nurses homes at one point. The one at the front (apartments now) and the old one behind it at the time. That was haunted and I admit to putting the willies up a few nurses whilst I was there too.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Brownie20 on November 06, 2017, 04:22:25 AM
Yeah.. it was a workhouse in it's dark past. I lived in the 2 nurses homes at one point. The one at the front (apartments now) and the old one behind it at the time. That was haunted and I admit to putting the willies up a few nurses whilst I was there too.

Careful, we'll be calling you Harvey soon
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Major Clanger on November 06, 2017, 04:22:50 AM
During the match I was saying on here I hope that wanker Gomes goes off. Bastard always has the game of his life against us and was doing so until he got injured.

Also think this game proves injured players should leave the pitch to get treatment. Three times Watford players caused that lengthy time added on. Ok Gomes was probably legit, but he only needed to roll over 3 feet.

It doesn't matter where he rolls, the game is always stopped if GK is injured and that's fair enough.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: blargins on November 06, 2017, 04:33:58 AM
It doesn't matter where he rolls, the game is always stopped if GK is injured and that's fair enough.

It was ridiculous in this match. Two other players could easily have rolled off.

Glad he had to be subbed though.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Brownie20 on November 06, 2017, 04:48:02 AM
It was ridiculous in this match. Two other players could easily have rolled off.

Glad he had to be subbed though.

How do people on here actually feel about injury time? In recent years in rugby they've brought in the stopping of the clock for injuries and other things with all the officials in sync. When the clock hits 80 mins it goes into the red and you know it's the last play. I know it would be different in football as you can end the game while the ball is still in play, but maybe that could be used in football too.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Ell Capitan on November 06, 2017, 04:49:19 AM
How do people on here actually feel about injury time? In recent years in rugby they've brought in the stopping of the clock for injuries and other things with all the officials in sync. When the clock hits 80 mins it goes into the red and you know it's the last play. I know it would be different in football as you can end the game while the ball is still in play, but maybe that could be used in football too.

Burn him at the stake.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: blargins on November 06, 2017, 05:12:45 AM
How do people on here actually feel about injury time? In recent years in rugby they've brought in the stopping of the clock for injuries and other things with all the officials in sync. When the clock hits 80 mins it goes into the red and you know it's the last play. I know it would be different in football as you can end the game while the ball is still in play, but maybe that could be used in football too.

No stoppages, just play around the injured players til they get off the field.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Brownie20 on November 06, 2017, 05:14:52 AM
No stoppages, just play around the injured players til they get off the field.

That's something else we do in rugby
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: blargins on November 06, 2017, 05:15:07 AM
That's something else we do in rugby

See. It works :)
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: blargins on November 06, 2017, 05:15:26 AM
The majority of injuries in football are bullshit ones anyway.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Bally on November 06, 2017, 05:17:34 AM
No. But he should've been booked.

They changed the law recently to basically say it's only a red if it isn't a genuine challenge for the ball.
Fairy fluff deffo shoulda been a card though
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Sir Stealth on November 06, 2017, 05:17:59 AM
The ones who are saying he has no ability really don't know anything about football

Graft, pace, never say die attitude, goals, these are all important qualities and he has them

Some people gave up at 2-0 down and left early. One lad chased a lost cause and never gave up and put his side back in with a chance, put smiles on faces and songs in hearts

Niasse is one of very few bright sparks we have right now

He's all heart, motherfucker
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Bally on November 06, 2017, 05:18:37 AM
come off a night shift and that pub on corner next to school is open for business, have you tried it bally ?
The Arthur, yeah used to bevvy in there but avoid at all costs now man.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Bally on November 06, 2017, 05:18:48 AM
come off a night shift and that pub on corner next to school is open for business, have you tried it bally ?
The Arthur, yeah used to bevvy in there but avoid at all costs now man.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Ross on November 06, 2017, 05:19:07 AM

Fucking hell
Even by you that's shite

Pardon?
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: blargins on November 06, 2017, 05:24:24 AM
The ones who are saying he has no ability really don't know anything about football

Graft, pace, never say die attitude, goals, these are all important qualities and he has them

Some people gave up at 2-0 down and left early. One lad chased a lost cause and never gave up and put his side back in with a chance, put smiles on faces and songs in hearts

Niasse is one of very few bright sparks we have right now

He's all heart, motherfucker

You're right. His attitude and passion and work rate are first rate. He is an inspirational figure.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Jimmywhack on November 06, 2017, 05:24:36 AM
Pardon?
Fucking hell. Even by you, that's shite
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Brownie20 on November 06, 2017, 05:26:52 AM
Fucking hell. Even by you, that's shite

😂😂
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Ross on November 06, 2017, 05:27:42 AM
Fucking hell. Even by you, that's shite

No idea what youíre talking about?
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Major Clanger on November 06, 2017, 05:32:21 AM
It's not just work rate and attitude though, is it?

He skins defenders, he makes very good runs, for the Sig chance he looked up and put it on a plate, okay, his touch often lets him down and he has the odd moment when probably even he doesn't know what he was trying to do*, but he's not devoid of all footballing talent.

*It's worth noting that Coleman got praise for exactly the same in the past.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Jimmywhack on November 06, 2017, 05:32:44 AM
No idea what you're talking about?
You said that cos he was a Martinez signing niasse isn't accepted by some

Utter bollocks and even by your martinez loving standards it was an awful shout
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Heisenberg on November 06, 2017, 05:33:19 AM
I think my favourite thing about all this is that he absolutely loves it. Smiles when the fans chant his name. It's just brilliant to see
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Ross on November 06, 2017, 05:38:09 AM
You said that cos he was a Martinez signing niasse isn't accepted by some

Utter bollocks and even by your martinez loving standards it was an awful shout

So people donít like him because he scores goals or sets them up and runs around abit trying to force the play?

Whatís not to like about him?
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Jamokachi on November 06, 2017, 05:41:49 AM
Whatís not to like about him?

Who doesn't like him? Everyone wants to see Everton players do well, as that means Everton do well.

He is a limited player though, and there's nothing wrong in admitting that. It doesn't mean he isn't liked.

That Martinez shaped chip on your shoulder sure is tired mate.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Jimmywhack on November 06, 2017, 05:43:00 AM
So people don't like him because he scores goals or sets them up and runs around abit trying to force the play?

What's not to like about him?
The people who don't like him, and there's few about, dont like him cos he's not very good.
I don't know anyone really who has a bad word to say about his work rate, effort or attitude and theres certainly noone saying he's shit cos martinez signed him.

Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Ross on November 06, 2017, 05:43:02 AM
Who doesn't like him? Everyone wants to see Everton players do well, as that means Everton do well.

He is a limited player though, and there's nothing wrong in admitting that. It doesn't mean he isn't liked.

That Martinez shaped chip on your shoulder sure is tired mate.

Haha @ally2 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=42)
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Ross on November 06, 2017, 05:44:54 AM
The people who don't like him, and there's few about, dont like him cos he's not very good.
I don't know anyone really who has a bad word to say about his work rate, effort or attitude and theres certainly noone saying he's shit cos martinez signed him.



So besides the goals....besides the assists......and besides the effort.....



....what the fuck does Niasse do for us?
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 06, 2017, 05:45:39 AM
So people donít like him because he scores goals or sets them up and runs around abit trying to force the play?

Whatís not to like about him?

People didn't like him because we spent an awful lot of money on him at the time and saw very little of him and what we did was bad. Martinez hid him and koeman told us he was shite. People now like him because he's not shite and he's got a massive heart.

Think if anything as it stands he's much more popular than his ability should make him.
Why would people not like him because of who signed him? Why would anyone care?
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Jimmywhack on November 06, 2017, 05:48:47 AM
So besides the goals....besides the assists......and besides the effort.....



....what the fuck does Niasse do for us?
What the fuck are you actually on about?

You said people dont like him cos he was a Martinez signing

That's utter bollocks

If and it's a big if as he is a massive cult hero people don't like him, it has fuck all to do with martinez. Life doesnt revolve around him
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Ross on November 06, 2017, 05:55:42 AM
What the fuck are you actually on about?

You said people dont like him cos he was a Martinez signing

That's utter bollocks

If and it's a big if as he is a massive cult hero people don't like him, it has fuck all to do with martinez. Life doesnt revolve around him

So people donít like the fact he scores or assists goals then?
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Brownie20 on November 06, 2017, 05:56:45 AM
So people donít like the fact he scores or assists goals then?


Have a day off fella. You know exactly what is being said
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Jimmywhack on November 06, 2017, 05:56:56 AM
So people don't like the fact he scores or assists goals then?
Right.
You said he isn't liked cos he is a Martinez signing
I said that is bollocks.

No one cares about martinez bar you.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Ross on November 06, 2017, 05:59:18 AM
Right.
You said he isn't liked cos he is a Martinez signing
I said that is bollocks.

No one cares about martinez bar you.

And I stand by that.

Look at the adulation gets Sandro in comparison.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: montanatoffeefan on November 06, 2017, 06:05:08 AM
Oumar is football's answer to Inspector Clouseau. Gets the job done, despite himself. That goal today was the stuff of comic legend, like Clouseau solving the Pink Panther case.

Wonder if Koeman is somewhere watching, playing the Chief Inspector Drefyfus role, gnashing his teeth and ranting at Niasse, appalled by his unlikely successes and destined for an insane asylum.

He's utterly shit, he really shouldn't be doing as well as he is, but you can't help but love him. Just goes to show that desire, passion and work rate often out ranks shear talent.

Check out the goal scoring stats:

http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/premier-league/top-scorers

He's got the best goals to minutes ratio out of everyone lol
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Ramjam on November 06, 2017, 06:51:32 AM
So who thinks heís worth the £13m we spent on him now, I for one believe heís a champion player for us and without his goals weíd be 19th at the minute, we could recoup our money for him plus another 10 million in January if anyone on here thinks we should sell, I certainly would fucking  cringe if we sold this guy now. No PL defender will feel comfortable playing against him and if he keeps doing what heís doing I believe that he will win our player of the year award. Go on Omar show the rest of em what it takes lad your a fucking champion COYB
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: blargins on November 06, 2017, 07:09:23 AM
Iím glad we didnít sell him in summer for sure.

Heís got a bigger smile than Yak.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: arteta4spain on November 06, 2017, 09:39:31 AM
The ones who are saying he has no ability really don't know anything about football

Graft, pace, never say die attitude, goals, these are all important qualities and he has them

Some people gave up at 2-0 down and left early. One lad chased a lost cause and never gave up and put his side back in with a chance, put smiles on faces and songs in hearts

Niasse is one of very few bright sparks we have right now

He's all heart, motherfucker
The smiling assassin mate yeah? 
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Confucius on November 06, 2017, 10:04:55 AM
A few things, he has a decent touch close to goal. He is strong, deceptively quick and very powerful. Doesn't stop for 102 minutes at absolute full tilt.

In the interest of fairness, why has nobody mentioned the fact that Pickford should of been sent off for giving away the penalty. Stopped a clear goal and wasn't close to the ball.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Jamokachi on November 06, 2017, 10:21:50 AM
In the interest of fairness, why has nobody mentioned the fact that Pickford should of been sent off for giving away the penalty. Stopped a clear goal and wasn't close to the ball.

Desperate for something to pin on the lad aren't you? There were bodies all around the ball, therefore it wasn't a clear goal-scoring opportunity. Now if it had been a one on one situation you may have had a point.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Confucius on November 06, 2017, 10:34:22 AM
Desperate for something to pin on the lad aren't you? There were bodies all around the ball, therefore it wasn't a clear goal-scoring opportunity. Now if it had been a one on one situation you may have had a point.

Not at all. Nothing to do with Pickford. Just a person of fairness. You should try it some time. He pretty much had an open goal bar the foul.

Was a terrible game by Pickford though. Probably his worst since joining us.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Jamokachi on November 06, 2017, 10:42:14 AM
Not at all. Nothing to do with Pickford. Just a person of fairness. You should try it some time. He pretty much had an open goal bar the foul.

Was a terrible game by Pickford though. Probably his worst since joining us.

Again with the holier than thou attitude. Give it a rest, yea?

The fouled player wasn't clean through on goal. It wasn't a sending off offence.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Confucius on November 06, 2017, 10:57:14 AM
Again with the holier than thou attitude. Give it a rest, yea?

The fouled player wasn't clean through on goal. It wasn't a sending off offence.

Oh, having the ball at your feet in the 6 yard box with no keeper is not clean through on goal?

Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Jamokachi on November 06, 2017, 11:10:39 AM
Oh, having the ball at your feet in the 6 yard box with no keeper is not clean through on goal?

Given the amount of bodies around player(s) and ball, no it's not.

Neither penalty was a sending off offence, and neither was the foul on Niasse given how that played out.

If you can't see the difference between Niasse being clean through on goal and the Watford penalty award then there's no point in talking to you.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on November 06, 2017, 01:07:30 PM
And I stand by that.

Look at the adulation gets Sandro in comparison.

Now youre just making stuff up.

That hole youíre digging is sure getting big....
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: therealdunc on November 06, 2017, 01:41:03 PM
Niasse is not a good player lads, please take of the blue tinted specs .

We can do so much better
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: AllyBlue14 on November 06, 2017, 01:45:23 PM
And I stand by that.

Look at the adulation gets Sandro in comparison.

Sandro had all the adulation while we were trying to pursue him - since he actually joined, and played, that has disappeared quicker than Tom Cleverley down the tunnel last night. Some already think he's not cut out for this league, others want to give him another go because we've been so bad, anything is worth a try.

And in any case, by this logic, he'd only be praised because he was a Koeman signing. And yet we'd struggle to name many on here who wanted Koeman to stay. There are more people who are fed up with the remnants of the Moyes era than Oumar - who is pretty much universally loved at the moment!
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Bob Sacamano on November 06, 2017, 01:56:54 PM
Haha. Donít think Iíve seen Sandroís name mentioned in over a month lolol

Some people eh. Always after an internet fight.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: brap2 on November 06, 2017, 02:07:46 PM
Feels like sandros off in jan to me tbh, unsworth doesnít need seem to fancy him in the slightest.

God knows whatís gone on with Vlasic. Three managers each with mad personal battles members of the team.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Gash on November 06, 2017, 02:24:33 PM
In the interest of fairness, why has nobody mentioned the fact that Pickford should of been sent off for giving away the penalty. Stopped a clear goal and wasn't close to the ball.

Probably because the 'triple jeopardy' rule changed about 18 months ago.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on November 06, 2017, 03:20:28 PM
I love the way Niasse kept his focus and his dignity, throughout the shit storm that Koeman put around the lad. And what did he do? Not even given a locker and was slagged off constantly by his "manager", but the fella kept his dignity, trained hard and kept smiling. Shipped out to Hull - worked hard, scored goals, kept smiling. Bunged in with the kids - worked hard, scored goals kept smiling. Then he gets a forlorn chance in the first team, and fuck does he work hard, hes scored some vital goals already, and he has kept that big dopey smile going. Good on him, I say, through all that Koeman shit and bullying, he stood his ground, stuck to his principles and came out the much better man. Fuck you Koeman.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: hill135 on November 06, 2017, 03:26:13 PM
Shit or not, he is fucking hilarious.

Twatted two of their players in one go with what was basically a butt munch and then scored a goal straight out of the Youtube vid going round when we first signed him, proper bumbling it in.

Also yeah good attitude. Putting some of our seasoned internationals to shame.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Macca77 on November 06, 2017, 03:40:30 PM
He's still badly shit like, but shit in a good way, you can't help but like him
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Sir Stealth on November 06, 2017, 03:53:20 PM
He's still badly shit like, but shit in a good way, you can't help but like him

He's not shit though is he!thats the thing!

Some fella in front of me said minutes after he scored yesterday that he's the worst striker he's ever seen

We've had Fucking tons of worse strikers than this guy. He scores for a fucking start!

Last time I checked the game is all about goals

If you dribble past 5 men, chip it up and volley it in off the bar from 30 yards or if you chase a lost cause and bundle the ball in as you are falling over they both have the same end result

No other striker we've got would have scored the goal that he did because they wouldn't have bothered to chase it in the first place, or had the speed to get there

His contribution gets the team going and gets the fans going

He's really not a shit player

He does look a bit awkward but that makes him hard to play against, and he's actually a really good team player as well, laid one on a plate for Sigurdsson and linked well with DCL again yesterday

Hard work and effort is the minimum anyone should give. He seems to be giving more efforts than most and also getting more rewards than most.

Love Oumar, me

He's boss
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Macca77 on November 06, 2017, 04:06:18 PM
He's not shit though is he!thats the thing!

Some fella in front of me said minutes after he scored yesterday that he's the worst striker he's ever seen

We've had Fucking tons of worse strikers than this guy. He scores for a fucking start!

Last time I checked the game is all about goals

If you dribble past 5 men, chip it up and volley it in off the bar from 30 yards or if you chase a lost cause and bundle the ball in as you are falling over they both have the same end result

No other striker we've got would have scored the goal that he did because they wouldn't have bothered to chase it in the first place, or had the speed to get there

His contribution gets the team going and gets the fans going

He's really not a shit player

He does look a bit awkward but that makes him hard to play against, and he's actually a really good team player as well, laid one on a plate for Sigurdsson and linked well with DCL again yesterday

Hard work and effort is the minimum anyone should give. He seems to be giving more efforts than most and also getting more rewards than most.

Love Oumar, me

He's boss

Marry him then
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Bally on November 06, 2017, 04:08:06 PM
Oumar is football's answer to Inspector Clouseau. Gets the job done, despite himself. That goal today was the stuff of comic legend, like Clouseau solving the Pink Panther case.

Wonder if Koeman is somewhere watching, playing the Chief Inspector Drefyfus role, gnashing his teeth and ranting at Niasse, appalled by his unlikely successes and destined for an insane asylum.
What was comical, the fact that he got a foot in before the defender to nick the ball off him which in turn took him round the keeper, the fact he protected the ball and looked up to check he was fine, or the fall he took when he was taken down which made it look clumsy.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Sir Stealth on November 06, 2017, 04:12:47 PM
Marry him then

Well you clearly aren't going to ask me are you?!

Our relationship is just a big joke to you isn't it
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Major Clanger on November 06, 2017, 04:13:25 PM
A few things, he has a decent touch close to goal. He is strong, deceptively quick and very powerful. Doesn't stop for 102 minutes at absolute full tilt.

In the interest of fairness, why has nobody mentioned the fact that Pickford should of been sent off for giving away the penalty. Stopped a clear goal and wasn't close to the ball.

He went for the ball though, so again at worst it's a yellow.

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Where a player commits an offence against an opponent within their own penalty area which denies an opponent an obvious goal-scoring opportunity and the referee awards a penalty kick, the offender is cautioned if the offence was an attempt to play the ball; in all other circumstances (e.g. holding, pulling, pushing, no possibility to play the ball etc.) the offending player must be sent off
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Lxxx on November 06, 2017, 04:15:24 PM
I thought his bit of play to set up Sig was class actually. Chasing the ball down, beating the defender to it, turning him inside out to run into the area and laying it on a plate for Sig to bottle it was as good a bit of play as you'll see from a striker.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Bwana on November 06, 2017, 04:16:40 PM
Oumar is football's answer to Inspector Clouseau. Gets the job done, despite himself. That goal today was the stuff of comic legend, like Clouseau solving the Pink Panther case.

Wonder if Koeman is somewhere watching, playing the Chief Inspector Drefyfus role, gnashing his teeth and ranting at Niasse, appalled by his unlikely successes and destined for an insane asylum.

To me he has shown the qualities of Baldrick. I think all his actions have just been a part of a cunning plan and Koeman's role is to be Rowan Atkinson.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Macca77 on November 06, 2017, 04:19:38 PM
Well you clearly aren't going to ask me are you?!

Our relationship is just a big joke to you isn't it

You bitch, how dare you!
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: SANA_DR0 on November 06, 2017, 04:29:13 PM
What was comical, the fact that he got a foot in before the defender to nick the ball off him which in turn took him round the keeper, the fact he protected the ball and looked up to check he was fine, or the fall he took when he was taken down which made it look clumsy.

Surely the defender should have got booked? He went to take Niasse out, He missed the ball and got Niasse on the ankle..
Has a player been sent off when the attacker has scored but the defender took out the attacker?

Respect to Big Niasse! front 3 of DCL/Lookman/Niasse, is going to be fun! from no pace, to lots of pace :D
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: brap2 on November 06, 2017, 04:33:39 PM
Mad how his style is able to be replicated but he does look exactly like the highlight vid.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Bwana on November 06, 2017, 04:34:56 PM

Which one of these is Macca77 & Sir Stealth? We do know Oumar has lovely, moonlight filled deeply lyrical eyes...
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: everton1952 on November 06, 2017, 04:38:53 PM
Niasse should be first choice until we get someone better. He is an example to others in his ceaseless running and spirit.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Bally on November 06, 2017, 04:48:55 PM
Surely the defender should have got booked? He went to take Niasse out, He missed the ball and got Niasse on the ankle..
Has a player been sent off when the attacker has scored but the defender took out the attacker?

Respect to Big Niasse! front 3 of DCL/Lookman/Niasse, is going to be fun! from no pace, to lots of pace :D
Deffo should've bee a booking I said red yesterday but @Major Clanger checked the rule changed recently should be yellow.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Lxxx on November 06, 2017, 04:50:23 PM
Against good defenders he wouldn't get a sniff. Against the Spurs back two for example they'd have him on toast but in the next four games against lower quality back lines he'll get some joy with his non stop running, harrying and movement.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Bluenose 91 on November 06, 2017, 04:56:45 PM
Fair play to him he's turned it round here big style and become a useful part of the squad.

His style of play is a bit unorthodox and he still does the odd thing where he looks like a competition winner but he's scoring for us at a decent rate at the minute and you can't turn your nose up at that.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Rodenplav64 on November 06, 2017, 05:01:46 PM
I have said in the past he couldn't be judged on the shambles he came into or the way he was treated by Koeman . He is limited technically but fuck me does he cause problems and to think you would pay £40 mil for Troy Deeney to do the same . His confidence is growing and he actually created a few decent chances yesterday and kept the tempo high against there defence . Credit were credit is due for giving all ( not matter how limited ) he has given the awful time he has endured at this club . Oh and I just love the way he would wipe out a brick wall !
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: blargins on November 06, 2017, 05:32:08 PM
Against good defenders he wouldn't get a sniff. Against the Spurs back two for example they'd have him on toast but in the next four games against lower quality back lines he'll get some joy with his non stop running, harrying and movement.

He did score against the shite last season, don't forget.

Oh, you said good defenders. Yep, carry on.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: gizzblue on November 06, 2017, 05:49:38 PM
Can't beleive some are still giving him shite ....same goals as the Mesiah 'to some' Rooney for a lot less mins in the pitch ...ffs hes our only in form Striker.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: blargins on November 06, 2017, 05:54:45 PM
Fellaini is likely leaving Utd in the summer, his contract is up.

How about a pairing of those two up front for unorthodox?
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Lxxx on November 06, 2017, 05:56:39 PM
Fellaini is likely leaving Utd in the summer, his contract is up.

How about a pairing of those two up front for unorthodox?

If Allardyce is in charge then he'll be interested.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: blargins on November 06, 2017, 05:57:50 PM
If Allardyce is in charge then he'll be interested.

If Allardyce is in charge, I would hope it would only be until the end of the season.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Lincs Toffee on November 06, 2017, 06:21:40 PM
Fellaini is likely leaving Utd in the summer, his contract is up.

How about a pairing of those two up front for unorthodox?
At this moment in time i'd have Fellaini back in a heartbeat
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 06, 2017, 06:25:33 PM
I'd have Fellaini back. He's been a very useful part of the Utd squad and has been treated like shit by their fans on account of him not being the mega signing they wanted.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Jimmywhack on November 06, 2017, 06:42:04 PM
I'd have Fellaini back. He's been a very useful part of the Utd squad and has been treated like shit by their fans on account of him not being the mega signing they wanted.
TBF he is like there Niasse
Totally written off yet fans are now complaining when he doesn't play
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Lxxx on November 06, 2017, 06:45:50 PM
Fellaini will get a new deal, Mourinho rates him.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: bigmanbob on November 06, 2017, 06:58:00 PM
Niasse is arguably the worst football player I have ever seen, I'm literally pissing myself every time he is involved in the build up play. I've lost count of the amount of times he runs with the ball , looses control and it goes out of play, or he makes a five yard pass that goes nowhere near where it is intended. However he's a rum bugger with the heart of a lion and he's a knack of scoring scrappy two yard goals. Give me that over some of the shite we've had this season, Mirrallas and Schneiderlin, I'm looking at you
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Macca77 on November 06, 2017, 07:03:44 PM
Just look at that smile
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Django on November 06, 2017, 11:01:58 PM
Niasse has been great since he's been back in the fold. Hats off to him. He's limited but his never say die attitude has resulted in DCL's goal against Chelsea, a goal against Arsenal and the most vital of all yesterday.

Haven't had a striker that willing to run since AJ. He's boss.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: sirblue57 on November 06, 2017, 11:15:01 PM
Niasse is arguably the worst football player I have ever seen, I'm literally pissing myself every time he is involved in the build up play. I've lost count of the amount of times he runs with the ball , looses control and it goes out of play, or he makes a five yard pass that goes nowhere near where it is intended. However he's a rum bugger with the heart of a lion and he's a knack of scoring scrappy two yard goals. Give me that over some of the shite we've had this season, Mirrallas and Schneiderlin, I'm looking at you
You have not been following Everton for long then....we have had much worse than him. There is a thread that will give you nghtmares....
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: blue slug on November 06, 2017, 11:31:36 PM
stuart barlow was a tad shitter than niasse if my memory serves me right
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Brownie20 on November 06, 2017, 11:32:43 PM
Bret Angell still gives me nightmares
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: D15TIN on November 06, 2017, 11:35:47 PM
Niasse has been great since he's been back in the fold. Hats off to him. He's limited but his never say die attitude has resulted in DCL's goal against Chelsea, a goal against Arsenal and the most vital of all yesterday.

Haven't had a striker that willing to run since AJ. He's boss.
I wouldn't even say he's that limited, he's brilliant at getting behind a defence, his build up and set up for Sigurdsson (who should've buried that) was excellent.

Read that he has the best goals/game ratio in the PL - a goal every 72mins as it stands.

I think a front 4 of Lookman, Lennon, Niasse & DCL will cause the opposition problems
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: therealdunc on November 06, 2017, 11:39:07 PM
Is this thread a wind up?

Niasse is a terrible footballer at premier league level. He would be better suited at the Scottish premier league at a Kilmarnock, thatís more his level.

Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: D15TIN on November 06, 2017, 11:41:28 PM
Is this thread a wind up?

Niasse is a terrible footballer at premier league level. He would be better suited at the Scottish premier league at a Kilmarnock, that’s more his level.


Why's he averaging a goal every 70 minutes then? Basically take away 6 of our points if it wasn't for him.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: therealdunc on November 06, 2017, 11:42:50 PM
Heís a donkey with his back to goal.

Be honest and take the blue tinted specs off
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: blue slug on November 06, 2017, 11:43:14 PM
if we created chances i think niasse would score us a few, i know he's not the best all round footballer but god loves a trier
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: TheRam on November 06, 2017, 11:55:35 PM
He's scored six goals in the most static football team of all time.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: brap2 on November 07, 2017, 12:47:40 AM
I believe scoring goals is a skill, I don’t think it’s always the combination of being able to bang the ball very hard with great technique into the corner like Harry Kane or Defoe when he was younger, or always being great in the air and first touch and lay off like Zlatan, I think sometimes it’s just...some people know where the fucking net is.

Then if you think - ok but has he been able to replicate it or was he just Darren Bent-ing it for a year? Well he’s got a mad style just running about barging into people and capitalising on mistakes and running balls into the net, but he’s done it in russia, for hull and now for us.

Whatever he’s got, he’s got something, I can’t believe I’m saying it but he’s just got a nose for goal and that’s the most expensive property in football, next to maybe pace.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Polledreng on November 07, 2017, 12:58:32 AM
Gerd MŁller were a terrible footballer but a great goalscorer. Niasses 4 goals has Got us 5 points this season and he was behind our 2 Best chances from open play with his Ball to Rooney when Baines should have scored and his Ball to Sigurdsson. If you Think he is shit you dont know our history
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: brap2 on November 07, 2017, 01:03:27 AM
Cruyff on Inzaghi - ďLook, actually he can't play football at all. He's just always in the right position.Ē

Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: blue slug on November 07, 2017, 01:06:49 AM
Thatís the art of a good forward, if youíre in the right positions and can put the ball in the net then your doing your job so to speak
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: blue slug on November 07, 2017, 01:09:51 AM
Were forwards like Andy Cole great footballers or just good goal scorers? I guess what Iím saying is if you stuck niasse in that side with beckham, giggs and scholes I do think heíd of scored goals
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: GLewis on November 07, 2017, 01:12:30 AM
Hang on, Gerd Muller, Inzaghi, Niasse...?!

Much more likely that heís in the Beckford bracket, except Beckford had better technique whereas Niasse is more selfless.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: everton1952 on November 07, 2017, 01:13:16 AM
Granted Niasse will not make any list of Everton greats, like Dennis Straquar whatsitname.  But we are in the deep shit player-wise for the next 2 -3 months, so what do you expect? The hole is deep and will take a while to climb out of it.  Everyone to the pump.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: TheRam on November 07, 2017, 01:17:49 AM
Gone a tad mental in here but I love it.

Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on November 07, 2017, 01:17:56 AM
The art of looking a gift horse in the mouth is alive and well.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Silas on November 07, 2017, 01:29:05 AM
He's this years Valencia but he's scoring a few goals to boot. Be massively surprised if he has longevity here but it's still a fairytale for him
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: blueToffee on November 07, 2017, 01:38:01 AM
Considering the chances we're creating in this team you have to give a certain amount of respect to those that have been able to score this season. It's a pretty short list too Niasse, Rooney and now DCL.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Thomas on November 07, 2017, 06:42:03 AM
I am still getting over the fact we went from a great forward to playing a guy who didn't even have a locker.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: bigmanbob on November 07, 2017, 03:00:22 PM
You have not been following Everton for long then....we have had much worse than him. There is a thread that will give you nghtmares....
No, just the 44 years  :P

He's made for a super sub for me, he literally runs himself into the ground and never gives defenses a minute, at the end of a game with tired oppo legs that can be very useful
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Lxxx on November 07, 2017, 03:09:37 PM
I am still getting over the fact we went from a great forward to playing a guy who didn't even have a locker.

Been that way for a while, it's taking you long enough.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: gizzblue on November 07, 2017, 03:30:02 PM
Literally the only player we have at the minute who will run through walls for the badge .. .aside the youngsters .
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: SANA_DR0 on November 07, 2017, 06:57:27 PM
The art of looking a gift horse in the mouth is alive and well.

never understood that expression.. lol whats a gift horse? how do you get them?
Literally the only player we have at the minute who will run through walls for the badge .. .aside the youngsters .

^ which is why i have all the time in the world for him.

He's like the old Everton, maybe thats why Koeman stopped using him.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Gary1878 on November 07, 2017, 07:06:31 PM
I don't know how anyone can dislike him. His attitude is one that needs to rub off onto others.

He gets fired up without being ill-disciplined, which Rooney and Schneiderlin could learn from. He also does have a semi-decent first touch, pace and a good finish.

All in all, he is a very good option from the bench at the very least, and not a bad option from the start, especially with the way things are.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: bacon sarnie on November 07, 2017, 08:49:26 PM
I don't know how anyone can dislike him. His attitude is one that needs to rub off onto others.

He gets fired up without being ill-disciplined, which Rooney and Schneiderlin could learn from. He also does have a semi-decent first touch, pace and a good finish.

All in all, he is a very good option from the bench at the very least, and not a bad option from the start, especially with the way things are.

Fearless too. Doubt we beat Watford if he didn't take out two players with one strike and he's done it before resulting in the ball in the back of the net instead of the opposition.

For all the owl arses - he could be a mean David Fairclough if we ever sign a 'top notch' striker.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Brownie20 on November 07, 2017, 09:10:32 PM
never understood that expression.. lol whats a gift horse? how do you get them?
^ which is why i have all the time in the world for him.

He's like the old Everton, maybe thats why Koeman stopped using him.

It's to do with looking in the mouth of a horse to determine its age by its teeth, as they change as it gets older. It was considered rude to do it if you have been given a horse as a gift.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: mikey_blue on November 07, 2017, 09:18:30 PM
It's to do with looking in the mouth of a horse to determine its age by its teeth, as they change as it gets older. It was considered rude to do it if you have been given a horse as a gift.

Love stuff like this.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: BlueMaquis on November 07, 2017, 09:19:32 PM
It's to do with looking in the mouth of a horse to determine its age by its teeth, as they change as it gets older. It was considered rude to do it if you have been given a horse as a gift.

Then shouldn't it be "never look in a gift horse's mouth"? Stupid expression anyway.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: kramer0 on November 07, 2017, 09:56:26 PM
Data time! Small sample size alert but, hey, pretty good.

https://twitter.com/deepxg/status/927823972493905920 (https://twitter.com/deepxg/status/927823972493905920)
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Brownie20 on November 07, 2017, 10:12:37 PM
Then shouldn't it be "never look in a gift horse's mouth"? Stupid expression anyway.

Don't ask me man, I only work here
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Major Clanger on November 07, 2017, 10:17:23 PM
Then shouldn't it be "never look in a gift horse's mouth"? Stupid expression anyway.

Can you look me in the eye while repeating this? :)
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on November 07, 2017, 10:19:52 PM
Don't ask me man, I only work here
Don't shoot a messenger horse
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Sir Stealth on November 07, 2017, 10:34:54 PM
He's this years Valencia but he's scoring a few goals to boot. Be massively surprised if he has longevity here but it's still a fairytale for him

Already has more goals this season for us than Valencia got last season
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: brap2 on November 07, 2017, 11:16:45 PM
I don't know how anyone can dislike him. His attitude is one that needs to rub off onto others.

He gets fired up without being ill-disciplined, which Rooney and Schneiderlin could learn from. He also does have a semi-decent first touch, pace and a good finish.

All in all, he is a very good option from the bench at the very least, and not a bad option from the start, especially with the way things are.

Well i mean the problem is that at some point weíre going to (hopefully) want to take more control of a game, and his erratic control and generally poor technique becomes harmful rather than endearing.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on November 07, 2017, 11:33:06 PM
Love stuff like this.
Me old Nan from Bootle used to say to me Grandad " Don't just stand there like cheese at 4pence" took me years to even think about what she meant.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Gary1878 on November 07, 2017, 11:34:28 PM
Well i mean the problem is that at some point weíre going to (hopefully) want to take more control of a game, and his erratic control and generally poor technique becomes harmful rather than endearing.

Oh i agree. He isn't suited for a dominant football team. It's sad but i can't see us getting to this stage anytime soon though.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: kiwiblue65 on November 08, 2017, 01:26:26 AM
Didn't see anything today that suggested he was garbage.

Held up the ball well, run the channels, drew fouls, kicked their keeper in the head, scored a goal and led from the front.
Yip agree he not as bad technically as some seem to want make out.
Title: Niasse Echo Article..
Post by: SANA_DR0 on November 08, 2017, 08:25:24 PM
Oumar Niasse might not be Everton's answer - but striker deserves more than cult hero clichť

If ever a goal typified a player, it was Oumar Niasseís effort against Watford.

It was a goal that was defined by its perseverence, its desire, its unlikelihood. Those are three words very much associated with the Senegalese forward.

His story at Everton is well-known and often told; so clichť, it would be rejected as a script for being too unrealistic.

Perhaps it is time to rewrite the narrative.

Niasseís best qualities, undoubtedly, come from the emotion he elicits when watching him. He will never win personal awards, nor will he often appear on an end-of-season highlight reel, but he makes the crowd feel.

The Gwladys Street, where he has scored all five of his goals in blue so far, fizzes when he is near the ball; not because of what he can do, but what he intends to do. Sometimes Ė especially during moments like these recent ones Ė that is all can be asked for.

In times of strife, cult heroes emerge, and Niasse has solidified his status as one.

But he might be proving himself to be more than just that.

Consider this: his goal against the Hornets was his fifth of the season, in just eight appearances, his 15th in his Everton career so far.

That is an average of one goal every three games, and his ratio is even more impressive when accounting for the minutes heís actually played. When wearing blue this season Ė for both the senior side, and the Under-23s, with whom he scored three goals Ė he finds the back of the net every 63 minutes.

Compare that to other strikers of Niasseís ilk; figures either popular, or those who struggled to justify their status and fee.

Denis Stracqualursi, the beanpole Argentine, scored three in 28; Apostolos Vellios also notched three, but did so in 25.

The more established stars, Arouna Kone and Daniel Amokachi, bagged 10 and 14 respectively; but the Ivorian made 62 appearances for the Blues, with terrace hero Amokachi making 54.

The memories of Niasseís ill-fated first year at Goodison still linger; it seemed destined Niasse would leave as the butt of all jokes; snapshots of of his miskicks and miscontrol playing on a Twitter loop for your viewing displeasure.

Whoís laughing now?

Since moving to Hull on loan last season, he has scored nine goals in 27 appearances, highlighting how this is not simply a hot streak, a bizarre but welcome distraction to Evertonís problems elsewhere.

Despite the song from the famous old stadium, Niasse might not be the answer. Certainly not in the long-term.

But heís serving as more than just a cult hero right now. His record suggests he knows where the net is too Ė even if it results in him falling into it along with the ball.

After being told for so long he wanted needed by Everton, Everton might need him for a little while longer ahead of a gruelling few months.




some videos on the site to do with Niasse, but the Echo site fucking sucks.

link to original article. http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/oumar-niasse-might-not-evertons-13872321
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Ridge on November 08, 2017, 09:33:53 PM
Since his arrival, he's played less than 450 mins for our first team.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Rodenplav64 on November 08, 2017, 10:04:10 PM
stuart barlow was a tad shitter than niasse if my memory serves me right

Haha Barlow . Remember going to Ipswich ( when we were on the verge of relegation ) away and him getting sent off ( ? ) after missing a sitter . Everton fan screaming at him "If we get beat your fucking dead " .
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: BlueForYou on November 08, 2017, 10:13:38 PM
Barn door Barlow, the Butcher's boy
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Smingers on November 09, 2017, 04:38:19 AM
Is this thread a wind up?

Niasse is a terrible footballer at premier league level. He would be better suited at the Scottish premier league at a Kilmarnock, thatís more his level.



Blatant WUM if I ever saw one.

Niasse has more heart than most of the footie players out there. So don't think u get what this thread is all about
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Toddacelli on November 10, 2017, 02:09:56 PM
The ones who are saying he has no ability really don't know anything about football

Graft, pace, never say die attitude, goals, these are all important qualities and he has them

Some people gave up at 2-0 down and left early. One lad chased a lost cause and never gave up and put his side back in with a chance, put smiles on faces and songs in hearts

Niasse is one of very few bright sparks we have right now

He's all heart, motherfucker

Need a t-shirt now with Niasse's big smiling face and the words "All Heart, Motherfucker" on it.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: montanatoffeefan on November 10, 2017, 08:41:58 PM
Niasse is a late substitute sort, can run at tired defenders, send them into disarray and maybe poach a goal here and there. Vaughn did this pretty well in his later time at Everton, AJ, too. Anichebe a bit. Hell, Straq probably would have done okay with it had we been desperate enough to keep him around.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: gizzblue on November 10, 2017, 10:35:48 PM
Niasse is a late substitute sort, can run at tired defenders, send them into disarray and maybe poach a goal here and there. Vaughn did this pretty well in his later time at Everton, AJ, too. Anichebe a bit. Hell, Straq probably would have done okay with it had we been desperate enough to keep him around.
For the time being let him run at them all game ,we know he can run for 111 mins easy after Watford....none of the forward line run as much or have the movement he has .
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Lxxx on November 10, 2017, 11:00:14 PM
Niasse is a late substitute sort, can run at tired defenders, send them into disarray and maybe poach a goal here and there. Vaughn did this pretty well in his later time at Everton, AJ, too. Anichebe a bit. Hell, Straq probably would have done okay with it had we been desperate enough to keep him around.


We'll continue to rotate depending on opposition. We have three strikers are the club all on 5 goals so far, which if you extrapolate over the season gets them all well into double figures which isn't bad at all really. It's behind that where we fall down massively.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on November 11, 2017, 02:22:59 AM
Niasse is a late substitute sort, can run at tired defenders, send them into disarray and maybe poach a goal here and there. Vaughn did this pretty well in his later time at Everton, AJ, too. Anichebe a bit. Hell, Straq probably would have done okay with it had we been desperate enough to keep him around.

But we are fucking desperate.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Goaljira on November 11, 2017, 12:45:57 PM
Imagine if he makes it to the world cup!
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Bally on November 11, 2017, 04:39:16 PM
Guaranteed to score the winner V England in 1 goal bore fest
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Mayor Farnum on November 12, 2017, 08:32:02 PM
Guaranteed to score the winner V England in 1 goal bore fest
If he does that I'll finally accept him.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Shogun on November 12, 2017, 09:12:24 PM
Imagine if he makes it to the world cup!

Well we know all about his pedigree in Russia!
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: blargins on November 12, 2017, 09:27:47 PM
Well we know all about his pedigree in Russia!

What pedigree is that?
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Shogun on November 12, 2017, 09:52:19 PM
What pedigree is that?

Greyhound
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Lxxx on November 12, 2017, 10:03:36 PM
What pedigree is that?

Player of the month.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: blargins on November 12, 2017, 10:17:36 PM
Greyhound

Thanks Chum.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Ridge on November 18, 2017, 09:21:47 PM
Has won us more points with his goals this season, than any other player in the PL.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Lxxx on November 18, 2017, 09:22:51 PM
Shows guts and work-rate. Although that's the minimum you expect from every player it doesn't work like that sadly. 
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Coyb12 on November 18, 2017, 09:44:08 PM
Shows guts and work-rate. Although that's the minimum you expect from every player it doesn't work like that sadly.
He's shite mate.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Lxxx on November 18, 2017, 09:46:35 PM
He's shite mate.

What's your point?
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Coyb12 on November 18, 2017, 09:48:17 PM
What's your point?
Self explanatory.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Lxxx on November 18, 2017, 09:50:13 PM
Self explanatory.

You're making yourself look rather silly.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Coyb12 on November 18, 2017, 09:51:55 PM
You're making yourself look rather silly.
Why,he is shite whether he scores or not and if you think he isn't well.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Ridge on November 18, 2017, 09:59:30 PM
Has won us more points with his goals this season, than any other player in the PL.

If it stayed level, he's now got us as many points as Lukaku won us in entire last season. That's excluding that he equalised twice today, so first one not included.

Top scorer, 2 pens.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Ross on November 19, 2017, 12:01:12 AM
Another good game.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Lxxx on November 19, 2017, 12:02:50 AM
He makes things happen so whatever issues people have with his overall game we score goals when he's on the pitch.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: blargins on November 19, 2017, 12:04:17 AM
We've had proper strikers in the past who have been decent enough players, but couldn't score for toffee (or the Toffees). Niasse is the opposite.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: bacon sarnie on November 19, 2017, 12:06:19 AM
He could have all the skill in the world but he'd still be Niasse. I like him.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on November 19, 2017, 12:09:28 AM
Not really sure what people want from him, the constant suggestion that he's 'shit' is beginning to wear thin and is becoming less and less justifiable.

He basically kept us in that game today, like he's done in plenty of other games. His contribution earns us points, we need more players like that. Not everyone can be Lukaku or Kane, but i'd go as far to say he's been our best player so far this season.
I don't know his goals per minute (or minutes per goals) ratio, but it must he up there with the top scorers in the league.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Silas on November 19, 2017, 12:11:38 AM
You can be effective and technically poor. As long as he's effective it doesn't matter if he doesn't play like Messi
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: boothill on November 19, 2017, 12:14:29 AM
Hes our gerd muller
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Macca77 on November 19, 2017, 12:17:43 AM
Hes shit, I hate him
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: gizzblue on November 19, 2017, 12:18:18 AM
The moaners can think what they want about him .lto keep up there shite...he's effective as fuck and works his ass off.👍...not everyone is Sergio Aguero esq.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Shogun on November 19, 2017, 12:18:25 AM
Going to miss him next week
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: gizzblue on November 19, 2017, 12:19:52 AM
Hes shit, I hate him
How many did you score for everton in your illustrious career??.😜
Also he doesn't care you hate him 😅
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Lxxx on November 19, 2017, 12:22:13 AM
He's always in the right place which is a skill in itself. He wants to play in and around the box and if you're putting in the effort and putting yourself in positions which hurt the opposition then you're giving yourself a chance of capitalising on a mistake, or a decent bit of play, or a refereeing decision.
That's not to say he wouldn't have to play second fiddle to a higher calibre of player because he would but it's a squad game and he's a vital part of it.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Shropshire Blue on November 19, 2017, 12:23:01 AM
I don't think he's shite nor do I see him as part of a long term plan assuming we do buy and improve. It doesn't help discussion when anybody who is not world class is labelled 'shite' . Shows the ignorance of people who write it more than an objective assessment.
Football has a history of poor technical players being effective in certain types of teams or situations because of a particular skill. Usually down to physical attributes like height, speed etc. For me that's Niasse. 100% commitment, running, energy and that knack of scoring goals from half chances. The rest of his game is ordinary for this level. But sometimes you need that raw energy in a team to spur on others and force mistakes.
At PL level ordinary, but not shite that's unfair on him.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: boothill on November 19, 2017, 12:35:38 AM
Was gary linacre shite ? I dont remember him chasing lost causes,making tackles,tracking back to try and defend, dont ever recall him making an assist tbh, but he must have, surely ?. He had an abudance of pace and was lethal in front of goal, but thats it
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Coyb12 on November 19, 2017, 12:45:22 AM
Was gary linacre shite ? I dont remember him chasing lost causes,making tackles,tracking back to try and defend, dont ever recall him making an assist tbh, but he must have, surely ?. He had an abudance of pace and was lethal in front of goal, but thats it
So you are compairing Lineker with Niasse?
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Bally on November 19, 2017, 12:45:48 AM
He's always in the right place which is a skill in itself. He wants to play in and around the box and if you're putting in the effort and putting yourself in positions which hurt the opposition then you're giving yourself a chance of capitalising on a mistake, or a decent bit of play, or a refereeing decision.
That's not to say he wouldn't have to play second fiddle to a higher calibre of player because he would but it's a squad game and he's a vital part of it.
Naismith was the same he got called shit too tbf Lukaku has been called shit by Evertonians too
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: boothill on November 19, 2017, 12:52:32 AM
So you are compairing Lineker with Niasse?
Just pointing some things out
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on November 19, 2017, 01:00:20 AM
Maverick
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: TheRam on November 19, 2017, 01:03:55 AM
Proved himself to be a good premier league striker.

His goal ratio over the last 11 months must be right up there.

Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Sir Stealth on November 19, 2017, 01:27:47 AM
Going to miss him next week

Is he suspended?
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Shogun on November 19, 2017, 01:31:49 AM
Is he suspended?

I'll be surprised if he isn't.

It'll probably get a ten minute reviewing on MOTD tonight.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 19, 2017, 01:32:53 AM
Why,he is shite whether he scores or not and if you think he isn't well.

Not sure someone can be shite regardless of their scoring record
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: sam of the south on November 19, 2017, 01:35:18 AM
I'll be surprised if he isn't.

It'll probably get a ten minute reviewing on MOTD tonight.

Oh it most certainly will, trial by Red Shite.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: blargins on November 19, 2017, 01:42:38 AM
So you are compairing Lineker with Niasse?

No, he's comparing Niasse with Gary Linacre. I don't know who he is though.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Sir Stealth on November 19, 2017, 01:43:09 AM
Even if you do think heís shite heís performing better than anyone else in the Everton squad so leave him the fuck alone. Pricks

Heís better than you

And that goes for literally everyone reading this post!including me!

Much rather have Niasse with his pace and workrate and scoring prowess than someone like Leon Brittan whoís tidy on the ball and controls it well and has a good pass completion or whatever!

Oumar is the hero we need, and the only one who is showing up
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: gizzblue on November 19, 2017, 01:47:21 AM
Oh it most certainly will, trial by Red Shite.
But we only get three mins at the end of MOTD on our best days .
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Brownie20 on November 19, 2017, 01:54:10 AM
Missed the game today. What has he done to warrant a ban?
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: blargins on November 19, 2017, 01:55:42 AM
Missed the game today. What has he done to warrant a ban?

He dived to earn us the penalty.

He was also lucky not to be sent off.

But we love him :)
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Macca77 on November 19, 2017, 01:56:40 AM
Hes a filthy cheat, Koeman was right all along
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Ell Capitan on November 19, 2017, 02:10:24 AM
Not sure someone can be shite regardless of their scoring record

Haha! A bit rich coming from you after all your mouthing off about Lukaku.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Trowel on November 19, 2017, 02:12:06 AM
No, he's comparing Niasse with Gary Linacre. I don't know who he is though.
He's related to Barry Spinnaker of Nottingham Hotspurts.

Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: blargins on November 19, 2017, 02:13:08 AM
He's related to Barry Spinnaker of Nottingham Hotspurts.


haha well found.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 19, 2017, 02:15:04 AM
Haha! A bit rich coming from you after all your mouthing off about Lukaku.

I don't think I ever said he was shite. Just not an elite player good enough for a team with genuine ambitions to win the top prizes. There's plenty of Utd fans now questioning his contribution when he doesn't score.

Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Lxxx on November 19, 2017, 02:22:12 AM
Normal service resumed tonight. Scoring the 4th goal in a 4-1 win.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: blargins on November 19, 2017, 02:23:55 AM
Normal service resumed tonight. Scoring the 4th goal in a 4-1 win.

Yep. Only scores when Pogba plays and the game is already won.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Lxxx on November 19, 2017, 02:29:26 AM
I know itís a lazy jibe but until it stops being accurate itís gonna stick. Even the Man U fans are using the same lines.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Smingers on November 19, 2017, 02:33:15 AM
Can we get back OT.

What are we gonna do if Niasse does get some retrospective ban. I can't see us creating or scoring goals without him.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: blargins on November 19, 2017, 02:39:10 AM
I know itís a lazy jibe but until it stops being accurate itís gonna stick. Even the Man U fans are using the same lines.

I'd still have him back in a flash though.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: blueski on November 19, 2017, 02:45:10 AM
Can we get back OT.

What are we gonna do if Niasse does get some retrospective ban. I can't see us creating or scoring goals without him.
what's the rule on this anyway. the referee did see the incident and it would most likely show up in his match report. is it similar to retrospective bans for violent conduct in that respect?
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: blargins on November 19, 2017, 02:46:26 AM
Can we get back OT.

What are we gonna do if Niasse does get some retrospective ban. I can't see us creating or scoring goals without him.

Worry about it if and when.

If it does happen, guarantee it'll be for the derby. But we probably wouldn't win that anyway.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Lxxx on November 19, 2017, 02:47:24 AM
I'd still have him back in a flash though.

I actually wouldnít.

See this is what really annoyed me about this summer. With £70m in the bank to buy his replacement, a season in Europe and the 7th best team in England  we should have been investing in the new Lukaku. Should have had a shortlist of strikers with a similar up and coming profile, like Atletico do every few years.

We had an opportunity to future proof that position while our star was high. Now weíve blown it. Weíre not an attractive proposition anymore. Knobheads.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: blargins on November 19, 2017, 02:52:54 AM
I actually wouldnít.

See this is what really annoyed me about this summer. With £70m in the bank to buy his replacement, a season in Europe and the 7th best team in England  we should have been investing in the new Lukaku. Should have had a shortlist of strikers with a similar up and coming profile, like Atletico do every few years.

We had an opportunity to future proof that position while our star was high. Now weíve blown it. Weíre not an attractive proposition anymore. Knobheads.

Well, the fact we didn't replace him is one of the big reasons we're in the shit now.

But him back in the team would be a big help.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Lxxx on November 19, 2017, 02:59:25 AM
Well, the fact we didn't replace him is one of the big reasons we're in the shit now.

But him back in the team would be a big help.

But thatís a redundant argument though. He was always going to go, same as Stones. This issue is we have brought in £140m for the pair and not replaced either.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: sam of the south on November 19, 2017, 02:59:47 AM
Normal service resumed tonight. Scoring the 4th goal in a 4-1 win.

Really?

I thought we limped to a fortunate 2-2 draw at Palace   :shock:
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: blargins on November 19, 2017, 03:00:55 AM
But thatís a redundant argument though. He was always going to go, same as Stones. This issue is we have brought in £140m for the pair and not replaced either.

Yeah, my comment is hypothetical.

Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Ell Capitan on November 19, 2017, 03:04:57 AM
I don't think I ever said he was shite. Just not an elite player good enough for a team with genuine ambitions to win the top prizes. There's plenty of Utd fans now questioning his contribution when he doesn't score.

Ha! Like fuck you're going to wriggle out of that one. No, you repeatedly said he was shite. I've just scrolled through some of your old posts on here and I'd say 50% of your posts were about how poor you thought he was. There's about 5 where you say he's worse than Anichebe.

It won't let me quote your posts as it was too long ago, but here's what you had to say about Steven Naismith:

Quote
Our best forward. Good finisher, decent passer, fantastic movement

He's better than lukaku in almost every aspect of the game.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Lxxx on November 19, 2017, 03:11:03 AM
Yeah, my comment is hypothetical.



I know mate. Ignore my ramblings
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Martip on November 19, 2017, 04:46:07 AM
It's not brillisnt but he's an absolute pest....much more dangerous than dcl.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Escla on November 19, 2017, 04:59:45 AM
Hes shit, I hate him
Well I was standing amongst 3,000 blues this afternoon who were bellowing Oumar, Oumar ! Louder than anything else but I guess they must all be deluded or maybe when you ate standing next to the pitch ( you can't sit in that shitty away section) you might get a better appreciation of the lads work rate and pace which you don't get on t.v.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Macca77 on November 19, 2017, 05:00:47 AM
Well I was standing amongst 3,000 blues this afternoon who were bellowing Oumar, Oumar ! Louder than anything else but I guess they must all be deluded or maybe when you ate standing next to the pitch ( you can't sit in that shitty away section) you might get a better appreciation of the lads work rate and pace which you don't get on t.v.

Boss blue you
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Escla on November 19, 2017, 05:03:30 AM
Boss blue you

Why ? Because I dont "Hate" an Everton player ? Mate, I don't "hate" anyone, I pity a few that do though.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: therealdunc on November 19, 2017, 05:05:03 AM
Less hatred please.

But itís not hate to admit Niasse footballing ability is no where near the level of a premier league footballer.

Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: TheRam on November 19, 2017, 05:12:42 AM
Less hatred please.

But itís not hate to admit Niasse footballing ability is no where near the level of a premier league footballer.



You're chatting shite
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Escla on November 19, 2017, 05:14:12 AM
Less hatred please.

But itís not hate to admit Niasse footballing ability is no where near the level of a premier league footballer.
And you are perfectly entitled to hold exactly that view, but that should never be a reason to "hate" someone, that's primitive behaviour.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: therealdunc on November 19, 2017, 05:23:45 AM
I agree

Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Sir Stealth on November 19, 2017, 05:55:42 AM
Niasseís ability nowhere near that of a premier league footballer?

On form heís the best player weíve got. So there is a good 20/30 players in this squad who are nowhere near the ability of a premier league footballer

And a good few hundred players he has out performed in the premier league this season too, who must clearly be nowhere near the ability of a premier league footballer either
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Martip on November 19, 2017, 05:57:00 AM
Less hatred please.

But itís not hate to admit Niasse footballing ability is no where near the level of a premier league footballer.
Yeah certain aspects of him game are limited but there are more ways to skin a cat. He scored goals for us and the mighty hull and influenced games more than any other of our players so far so how can you say he's not good enough for the prem league ?  For me the definition of a half decent prem striker would be 1. Impact games 2. Score goals/get assists 3. Have half decent hold up play to enable others to get in the game.

Let's not forget without him we d probably be bottom right now....cut him some slack hes earned it.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: everton1952 on November 19, 2017, 06:11:40 AM
Am I allowed to hate the red shite? Not that I care whether you say yes or no. I hate the redshite.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Brownie20 on November 19, 2017, 06:14:24 AM
Am I allowed to hate the red shite? Not that I care whether you say yes or no. I hate the redshite.

Just remember that hate is love with its hat on
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: gizzblue on November 19, 2017, 06:17:23 AM
Am I allowed to hate the red shite? Not that I care whether you say yes or no. I hate the redshite.
But of course you are ....it's a prerequisite to be a BLUENOSE.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Ross on November 19, 2017, 06:29:30 AM
Niasseís ability nowhere near that of a premier league footballer?

On form heís the best player weíve got. So there is a good 20/30 players in this squad who are nowhere near the ability of a premier league footballer

And a good few hundred players he has out performed in the premier league this season too, who must clearly be nowhere near the ability of a premier league footballer either

All those posts about him not being ďpremier league levelĒ look a bit daft now donít they.

People seem precondition about him. Same as Robles last season.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: chang on November 19, 2017, 06:36:55 AM
Fabregas got booked for diving in the box - Chelsea's game,

Plenty calling for Niasse to be banned for diving,Shearer saying no on MOD, (Neville who performed the worst dive ever in an Everton shirt, says yes)

If a player is deemed to of dived should the punishment not be the same ?

Almost worth the risk 90th minute of a must win game - dive get sussed get a yellow - dive get pen, score, 3 points, banned one game.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: ally2 on November 19, 2017, 06:49:07 AM
OK I lay into him before and apologised after. I still think he's a rubbish footballer but he is performing for us. I am completely bamboozled by him now. He's like an extreme version of Lukaku to me - limited technical ability but just seems to pull it all off.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: sirblue57 on November 19, 2017, 06:59:44 AM
What the absolute fuck are people moaning about? So he is not Messi or Ronaldo. But you know what, we have.more technically.gifted players. More expensive players. And I would have Niasse over every one of them, why?
Because he exceeds his ability, he NEVER gives up, He gives everything he has, then finds another 5% or 10 %.
 He never hides, he has taken shit that other players, (cough..mirallas)  would npt put up with, and came back with a fucking positive attitude, determined to take his chance and make a point. NO WHINGING. Just going out and giving his all.

I fucking.love him. He may not be everybodies vision of a striker, but he is my tżpe of player.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: sirblue57 on November 19, 2017, 07:05:03 AM
Hes a filthy cheat, Koeman was right all along

Oh....fuck off..theres a good twat...
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: sirblue57 on November 19, 2017, 07:17:54 AM
I think some of our supporters/ fans are suffering from delusions of grandeur .
We have been a fucking poor club for so long, so badly run. The first true top quality striker we had in Lukaku was openly ripped for not doing enough despite scoring for fun in an average team. Now we have Niasse, who apparently is not good enough to wear the shirt DESPITE being our best striker,  out performing wayne ( Utds top scorer) rooney. I think we need a reality check. We are fucking shite. From the very top down. The ONLY one over achieving is Niasse. . The ONLY one who looks like they give a shit in every game, is Niasse.
If you think we are to good for him, you are fucking deluded. And until we get this club sorted he will probably be more than we deserve. Deal with it.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Jamokachi on November 19, 2017, 09:45:18 AM
Always amazed at how easy it is to wind people up on here.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Polledreng on November 19, 2017, 12:06:07 PM
on my way back from Selhurst. Has to say Niasse along wirh Kenny and Lennon was the only ones in the starting lineup having PL qality yesterfayThe rest was so poor. DCL and Sandro did OK when they came on
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 19, 2017, 01:27:21 PM
Ha! Like fuck you're going to wriggle out of that one. No, you repeatedly said he was shite. I've just scrolled through some of your old posts on here and I'd say 50% of your posts were about how poor you thought he was. There's about 5 where you say he's worse than Anichebe.

It won't let me quote your posts as it was too long ago, but here's what you had to say about Steven Naismith:



Haha well I obviously get a little giddy in arguments then. He's obviously a very good goalscorer but for me a pretty average top flight footballer apart from that.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Macca77 on November 19, 2017, 01:45:59 PM
I love him really, was just a feeble attempt to rattle some feathers, it worked

That smile though... xx
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Macca77 on November 19, 2017, 01:50:15 PM
https://twitter.com/EvertonBlueArmy/status/931962348071477248
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on November 19, 2017, 01:50:40 PM
All those posts about him not being ďpremier league levelĒ look a bit daft now donít they.

People seem precondition about him. Same as Robles last season.

Steady on now. Robles is the genuine shite article.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Faceatthefence on November 19, 2017, 03:07:38 PM
Great site isnt it,in a team full of bottlers the focus is on the guy who single handedly nicks us a point ffs.Tee fucking hee.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: boothill on November 19, 2017, 03:39:46 PM
I love him really, was just a feeble attempt to rattle some feathers, it worked

That smile though... xx
Knew you were n the wind, was funny though
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: boothill on November 19, 2017, 03:42:58 PM
That was a great finish for his goal, radio had it as a tuck in at the far post
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Lxxx on November 19, 2017, 03:51:43 PM
That was a great finish for his goal, radio had it as a tuck in at the far post

Agreed. He knows where the back of the net is. His goal against Sunderland was a very smart finish, his first against Bournemouth was equally clinical. He's only one goal behind the likes of Vardy and Lacazette and they have both been on penalty duty in the league this season. At some point the lad has to be given credit where it's due, even by the most ardent haters on here. 
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Smingers on November 19, 2017, 04:29:01 PM
Just seen the highlights. It was a nudge in Niasse who exaggerated the fall but don't think it was a dive.

Niasse had a decent chance at 1-1, muscled his way through the defence. I really can't see any of our other players being able to do that at the moment.

Great finish to make it 2-2 its not that easy to keep calm and not bottle that.

Again I'll say we all know he's not the most technical player. He's no Messi or Ronaldo. But he's all heart is our Oumar "smiler" Niasse.

Love this guy!
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Ross on November 19, 2017, 05:15:27 PM
Steady on now. Robles is the genuine shite article.

Be fair he wasnít last season.

I was the first to call him all sorts during his first two years but last year he was good, with the odd hiccup like every keeper has, and the stats show it. I actually think it was the wrong move getting shut of Koemans goalkeeper coach seeing how well Robles came on during his time here.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 19, 2017, 05:39:36 PM
Be fair he wasnít last season.

I was the first to call him all sorts during his first two years but last year he was good, with the odd hiccup like every keeper has, and the stats show it. I actually think it was the wrong move getting shut of Koemans goalkeeper coach seeing how well Robles came on during his time here.

Robles was decent last season. I'm not convinced Pickford has been any better this season and people are claiming he's 1 of the best in the league (someone even said 2nd best)
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Major Clanger on November 19, 2017, 05:46:54 PM
Robles was decent last season. I'm not convinced Pickford has been any better this season and people are claiming he's 1 of the best in the league (someone even said 2nd best)

I love how these claims inflate, a week ago it was "someone said he was in the top six", then he was the 3rd best, now 2nd best. You know what, I'll get it in first so that you can continue the pattern: I think he is the absolute best goalkeeper in the league.

There, now you can go "someone even said he's the best". :)
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Ell Capitan on November 19, 2017, 05:59:33 PM
Robles was absolute toilet last season.

Go have a watch of the penalty he gave away against Burnley.

One of the most idiotic things I've ever seen a goalie do.

Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Ross on November 19, 2017, 06:06:37 PM
Robles was decent last season. I'm not convinced Pickford has been any better this season and people are claiming he's 1 of the best in the league (someone even said 2nd best)

To be fair to Pickford heís probably near the top of the second rung of keepers in the league behind De Gea and Courtious. Heís been far and away our best signing of the summer and heís got all the raw ingredients for being a top quality keeper, he just needs to iron out some basic and recurring errors to push on to be top quality.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Ross on November 19, 2017, 06:07:39 PM
Robles was absolute toilet last season.

Go have a watch of the penalty he gave away against Burnley.

One of the most idiotic things I've ever seen a goalie do.



All keepers do stupid things.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Ell Capitan on November 19, 2017, 06:15:47 PM
All keepers do stupid things.

Yeah but some are more stupid than others.

You can argue Robles improved last season compared to before that, but his decision making remains so poor that he's simply not PL standard.

You'll note that despite it being clear he has no future with us, he can't get a move away and has resorted to his representatives making clear to the media and anyone who will listen that he's willing to drop down the leagues.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Ross on November 19, 2017, 06:29:04 PM
Yeah but some are more stupid than others.

You can argue Robles improved last season compared to before that, but his decision making remains so poor that he's simply not PL standard.

You'll note that despite it being clear he has no future with us, he can't get a move away and has resorted to his representatives making clear to the media and anyone who will listen that he's willing to drop down the leagues.

The ďnot premier league standardĒ is a line trotted out often about certain players, Niasse an obvious example, but it belies the fact they are in fact playing, and have played, in a relatively successful premier league team for a considerable amount of time.

Robles last season played well by and and large as his stats show, but similar to Niasse this season as this thread shows, some wonít ever acknowledge it no matter what they do in a game.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Ell Capitan on November 19, 2017, 06:40:15 PM
The ďnot premier league standardĒ is a line trotted out often about certain players, Niasse an obvious example, but it belies the fact they are in fact playing, and have played, in a relatively successful premier league team for a considerable amount of time.

Robles last season played well by and and large as his stats show, but similar to Niasse this season as this thread shows, some wonít ever acknowledge it no matter what they do in a game.

Well perhaps I'll be proved wrong and he'll go on to have a successful career as a keeper at a top flight club.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Sir Stealth on November 19, 2017, 06:44:32 PM
Yeah The nowhere near premier league standard line is a pile of crap

There is some total dogshit players in the premier league, even at the top 6 clubs

So to say that one who is scoring regularly and causing trouble is nowhere near premier league standard is ridiculous

Palace were fucking terrified of him yesterday
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: blargins on November 19, 2017, 06:45:17 PM
Robles is an ok keeper for a mid table club. Just glad he's with us as a lower tier club.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Major Clanger on November 19, 2017, 06:48:50 PM
Robles was absolute toilet last season.

Go have a watch of the penalty he gave away against Burnley.

One of the most idiotic things I've ever seen a goalie do.

You should watch the Championship highlights from yesterday then :)

Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: SANA_DR0 on November 19, 2017, 06:53:46 PM
Niasse must be a ghost or something, he makes other teams shit themselves..

thats the only thing i can think of to explain why all his goals seem to come from the other team making a mistake.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: blargins on November 19, 2017, 07:14:40 PM
It's because he is so unorthodox, no one knows what he's going to do. He certainly has that x-factor.

He looks a real bargain at 13 million now, doesn't he? Best goal to minutes ratio in the league. Had he played from the beginning of the season, he may well be close to top scorer in the league. Incredible when you think about it. Have nothing but praise for the guy. He's proved many of us wrong.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Lxxx on November 19, 2017, 07:19:50 PM
Yeah but some are more stupid than others.

You can argue Robles improved last season compared to before that, but his decision making remains so poor that he's simply not PL standard.

You'll note that despite it being clear he has no future with us, he can't get a move away and has resorted to his representatives making clear to the media and anyone who will listen that he's willing to drop down the leagues.

I agree. Robles looks a half decent keeper sometimes because he's fuckin huge. Like the kid at school who is far and away the biggest in his year so by default he goes in goal. He comes and catches balls he has every right to claim, he makes himself big one on one because he is so big and he gives the ball a fair old boot because he probably has size 14 boots. 
After that if you ask him to think about what he's going to do he makes some bizarre decisions which don't look right for a professional footballer.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: brap2 on November 19, 2017, 07:21:17 PM
Great finish, deadly.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: blargins on November 19, 2017, 07:35:56 PM
Damn. Niasse doesn't have the best goals to minute ratio anymore. Anthony Martial does. By one minute!
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: blargins on November 19, 2017, 07:36:25 PM
Also, doesn't Niasse get awarded the assist for Baines's goal?
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: gizzblue on November 19, 2017, 07:45:36 PM
I've just had a horrible thought ......did Martinez really know he was phenomenal ....did he actually know what he was doing .
Was Martinez actually some sort of guru ?.


Naaa fuck that he was shite .....just give my head a wobble 😅
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Major Clanger on November 19, 2017, 08:15:00 PM
I've just had a horrible thought ......did Martinez really know he was phenomenal ....did he actually know what he was doing .
Was Martinez actually some sort of guru ?.

Nah, he just does football management like I play chess.

I come up with really elaborate and brilliant battle plans only for them to collapse two moves in because I only ever think about the best case scenario and not about how things can go wrong. So if a player has one good attribute, he's automatically phenomenal for Martinez, regardless of all his obvious flaws.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 19, 2017, 08:59:34 PM
I love how these claims inflate, a week ago it was "someone said he was in the top six", then he was the 3rd best, now 2nd best. You know what, I'll get it in first so that you can continue the pattern: I think he is the absolute best goalkeeper in the league.

There, now you can go "someone even said he's the best". :)

It was said yesterday in the Pickford thread (I assume)
I can't help the claims others make. I do find them baffling though. He's made numerous mistakes this season
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 19, 2017, 09:02:00 PM
To be fair to Pickford heís probably near the top of the second rung of keepers in the league behind De Gea and Courtious. Heís been far and away our best signing of the summer and heís got all the raw ingredients for being a top quality keeper, he just needs to iron out some basic and recurring errors to push on to be top quality.

I do love the best signing of the summer bit. He absolutely has but to put it in perspective me on a free would have been the second best signing of the summer
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Ross on November 19, 2017, 09:06:18 PM
I do love the best signing of the summer bit. He absolutely has but to put it in perspective me on a free would have been the second best signing of the summer

Whatís your keepie uppie record like?
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Jimmywhack on November 19, 2017, 09:23:41 PM
I do love the best signing of the summer bit. He absolutely has but to put it in perspective me on a free would have been the second best signing of the summer
I'd love the irony if you played in the number ten role
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Martip on November 19, 2017, 10:03:14 PM
It was said yesterday in the Pickford thread (I assume)
I can't help the claims others make. I do find them baffling though. He's made numerous mistakes this season
Atm he's  an average prem keeper but hopefully will improve.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Lxxx on November 19, 2017, 10:23:05 PM
Soon to be England's No 1. I know we're not exactly blessed with quality in this department as a country but it's not too shabby to have your country's keeper. 
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Macca77 on November 20, 2017, 02:06:45 AM
https://twitter.com/TheKendallEnd/status/932335918052204544
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 20, 2017, 02:40:23 AM
Whatís your keepie uppie record like?

I used to be able to do 100 no problem. Obviously I'm not quite as good as the other signings but I'm a lot cheaper

If we could have the window again me at 300 quid a week on a free is a lot better deal than Sigurdsson at 45m and 120k a week
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Ross on November 20, 2017, 02:53:07 AM
I used to be able to do 100 no problem. Obviously I'm not quite as good as the other signings but I'm a lot cheaper

If we could have the window again me at 300 quid a week on a free is a lot better deal than Sigurdsson at 45m and 120k a week

Iím sure youíre a capable fella, I myself have been known to juggle a couple of tangerines at Christmas after a couple of snowballs, but Iíd much rather see a professional footballer doing his job than some fella off the Internet claiming to be able to.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 20, 2017, 03:07:10 AM
Iím sure youíre a capable fella, I myself have been known to juggle a couple of tangerines at Christmas after a couple of snowballs, but Iíd much rather see a professional footballer doing his job than some fella off the Internet claiming to be able to.

I don't claim to be able to. I'm a pile of shite. Beats paying 75m including wages for Sigurdsson though. Better than signing me or him would have been signing no one
Title: Niasse
Post by: plowman2 on November 21, 2017, 03:13:40 AM
If we'd spent 50 million on a striker who scored 5 in 7 appearances we'd be made up,but we still see niasse as a stop gap. Maybe we should be looking for a partner rather than a replacement!
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: blargins on November 21, 2017, 03:16:35 AM
Here's a big fuck off Niasse thread.

https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?topic=94939.300

But you're right. But we still need a class striker too.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: plowman2 on November 21, 2017, 03:56:51 AM
Here's a big fuck off Niasse thread.

https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?topic=94939.300

But you're right. But we still need a class striker too.

Cheers for moving that. Somehow a 21 page thread with over 8,000 views escaped me!
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: blargins on November 21, 2017, 04:30:17 AM
Cheers for moving that. Somehow a 21 page thread with over 8,000 views escaped me!

I didn't move it. They took my power away from me. But they must have seen it too. Whoever they are...
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Robioto on November 21, 2017, 05:09:18 PM
Charged for diving:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42066734
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Major Clanger on November 21, 2017, 05:13:06 PM
Charged for diving:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42066734

It's a bit of a joke given what's already gone unpunished this season so far.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on November 21, 2017, 05:16:33 PM
fucking joke
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: brap2 on November 21, 2017, 05:18:24 PM
Little fucking grasses
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Macca77 on November 21, 2017, 05:19:45 PM
Funny this
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on November 21, 2017, 05:20:11 PM
there was contact he went down- all be it not a lot, for me the more noise made of this by ex pro-s (pundits) saying he dived makes it easy for these so called Fa fuckwits who have nebver played the game.

these so called (pudits) explayers-  all fooking dive if touched in the box

remember Neville's failed dive
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Bally on November 21, 2017, 05:21:04 PM
This is a fucking joke, cheeky cunts, really wanna see how many other fucking dives have gone on this season already, fucking wound me up this.
Everton should get someone watching every game from this season and check just to slap the FA with it.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Waltzer on November 21, 2017, 05:21:15 PM
It'll get overturned, there was contact, yes it wasnt much but I fail to see how then can categorically state he dived at that speed
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Jimmywhack on November 21, 2017, 05:23:52 PM
Nailed on he would get charged
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Macca77 on November 21, 2017, 05:26:33 PM
Is it a 3 game ban?
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on November 21, 2017, 05:28:46 PM
Kopite bastards everywhere

#freeOumar

Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: The Analog Kid on November 21, 2017, 05:40:41 PM
So whatís the charge then? What does he get for that? Surely it would have only been a yellow in the game itself?
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Rodenplav64 on November 21, 2017, 05:41:13 PM
If you know you are offside but play to the whistle are you successfully deceiving the officials . It looked stonewall from where the ref was because there was contact no matter how slight .
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: GLewis on November 21, 2017, 05:41:15 PM
Thought it was very soft at the time and thought he was going to get booked rather than the ref point to the spot.

Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Sir Stealth on November 21, 2017, 05:43:50 PM
The first person to be banned for this got a 2 match ban so we are probably loooking at the same

No chance it will get overturned. If we appeal they will probably extend the ban

He is the player that we can least afford to lose at the moment. I worry that without him we might not even beat West Ham at home
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Jimmywhack on November 21, 2017, 05:44:00 PM
So what’s the charge then? What does he get for that? Surely it would have only been a yellow in the game itself?
2 Game ban
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: kramer0 on November 21, 2017, 05:45:29 PM
He went down easily, but I think calling it a dive lets Dann off the hook. It was his own stupidity that caused it. He was never going to get the ball and there was a covering defender but he still stepped towards Niasse and created the contact. He could have stayed put but he chose not to.

Niasse milked the contact for all it was worth but the player still stepped into his path from an odd angle. Harsh to ban him for that. There's plenty of space between "penalty" and "bookable dive" and that's where this one falls. Taylor should have let play but continue (with no booking) but he's just making it up as he goes along, so here we are.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: boothill on November 21, 2017, 05:50:34 PM
Dann hit him like a f****** freight train hd did
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Cozzie on November 21, 2017, 05:50:40 PM
Dont quite understand the charge.

If he had been found guilty of diving during the game he would have been booked not banned for 2 games.

Surely if they are to show consistency then they have be doing this near every game as it happens loads.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: gizzblue on November 21, 2017, 05:52:04 PM
Why didn't they look at Aguero when we played city ....obvious dive even Morgs had a go at him ....but no
Ffs we cant lose him to a ban (as much as it pains me to say)...he's the only fucker working half the time .
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on November 21, 2017, 06:00:43 PM
He's getting totally slated on Talksport by fucking jim white----not one call or fucker in the studio saying he was actually touched----you would think no other player was  with in 10 feet they way they are talking
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: TheRam on November 21, 2017, 06:01:59 PM
Mad the way he's the first player to dive this season and get away with it.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Ross on November 21, 2017, 06:03:37 PM
So almost a third of the way through the season and Niasse is the first player in the league to exaggerate contract. Pretty remarkable.

Thatís 120 games played so far, 10,800 minuets of football and not once before has any of the other 500/600 footballers reacted in such a manner.

Another Everton first for the list.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on November 21, 2017, 06:07:55 PM
Trial by Match of the Day. Ok when you have 100 cameras looking at a game, but what about the other 100 games.

Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Macca77 on November 21, 2017, 06:08:36 PM
Come on now, there was minimal contact, he made the most of it and threw himself to the floor, it is what it is.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: velimski on November 21, 2017, 06:09:40 PM
Are they reviewing every single potential dive anywhere on the pitch, or just ones that only lead to a penalty or red card?
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Gary1878 on November 21, 2017, 06:19:26 PM
The problem with this isn't that Niasse went to the floor to get a penalty. It is that he has been picked out amongst a lot of other instances of diving this season where no one has been punished.

You can't argue that it was a very soft penalty - but it was a yellow card and no penalty at best. How you can then ban him for it is beyond me.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Escla on November 21, 2017, 06:22:40 PM
there was contact he went down- all be it not a lot, for me the more noise made of this by ex pro-s (pundits) saying he dived makes it easy for these so called Fa fuckwits who have nebver played the game.

these so called (pudits) explayers-  all fooking dive if touched in the box

remember Neville's failed dive

The panel consists of an ex referee, ex player and ex manager, would love to know who they were, imagine if Fowler or Aldridge were the player and Souness the ex Manager !
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Ross on November 21, 2017, 06:28:45 PM
The panel consists of an ex referee, ex player and ex manager, would love to know who they were, imagine if Fowler or Aldridge were the player and Souness the ex Manager !

https://twitter.com/skysports_bryan/status/932945575636545536?s=17
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Goaljira on November 21, 2017, 06:29:52 PM
Absolute fucking joke.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: curro.uk on November 21, 2017, 06:30:21 PM
Could of killed him

 :headbang: :headbang:
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Escla on November 21, 2017, 06:31:39 PM
https://twitter.com/skysports_bryan/status/932945575636545536?s=17

So, Danny Murphy it was then !
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: boothill on November 21, 2017, 06:36:54 PM
Takes me back to when southall was the only keeper getting sent off for handling outside area, they were all doing it, but big nev got red 3 times if memory serves me right
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Macca77 on November 21, 2017, 06:39:21 PM
Takes me back to when southall was the only keeper getting sent off for handling outside area, they were all doing it, but big nev got red 3 times if memory serves me right

Twice in the same season, think one was away at Sheff Wed
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on November 21, 2017, 06:45:58 PM
danny murphy on the panel
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Django on November 21, 2017, 06:48:04 PM
It's an absolute disgrace and a witch hunt from MOTD.

How many times have Hazard or Sterling got questionable decisions where they've definitely dived? How often do they say it's because of the speed they're travelling at etc. It's one rule for the top 4 and other rules for everyone else.

Phil Neville is an absolute beaut as well. That cunt captained us for years and can't have our backs on national TV. Hate that prick.

Don't even think it was a dive tbh. A soft penalty, but there was contact and he was travelling at speed before Dann came across to cut off his path.


We're gonna miss Niasse for these two games now.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: boothill on November 21, 2017, 06:54:39 PM
How can danny murphy be on any panel ? He has zero integrity. Professes to be a great liverpudlian and servant of the cause, yet sells his soul to the sun owners at talksport
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: kramer0 on November 21, 2017, 06:57:08 PM
A soft penalty, but there was contact and he was travelling at speed before Dann came across to cut off his path.

Exactly. Dann moved into Niasse's path without making an attempt to play the ball.

It was soft but if defenders don't want to be punished for stuff like this, they should avoid making contact. Stepping into the attacker from a different angle than the one he's running at serves only one purpose -- to knock him off balance. I have no sympathy for Scott Dann here.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Macca77 on November 21, 2017, 06:57:15 PM
Be interesting how pundirs react when a player doesn't go down when touched in the box, guaranteed every one of them say he shouldve gone down to "win" the penalty, Carragher, Henry and Neville say it all the time, the player was "to honest"
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on November 21, 2017, 07:03:21 PM
Though I agree, there should be punishment for diving, I think its harsh to introduce it part way through the season, without warning.

The probable reason why they are using Niasse's incident here, is because the soft arse came out and said "yes I dived, and Id be shocked if they punished me".

Only at Everton eh, we are blessed with numpties, top to bottom.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: BlueMaquis on November 21, 2017, 07:06:19 PM
I've said it for years now, referees should be looking at the foul itself and not whether the player being fouled falls over or stays on his feet. If they did that there would be no need for players to dive because they would be looking at what Dann does and whether it constitutes a foul.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: pjk on November 21, 2017, 07:06:38 PM
It was a soft penalty. As a blue, I reckon it was 50-50 as to whether it was a dive or not. Am I bias? Probably. The worse thing about all this is; that cunt Clattenburg is out in the middle east and is still managing to have a negative effect on our club. >:(
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: chang on November 21, 2017, 07:08:21 PM
These are the same pundits who often say on MOD "you feel contact you go down" or words to that effect, likewise "he should of gone down there" ?

It was a foul anywhere else on the pitch, soft or not.

I assume you can only get charged if it results in a penalty kick ?  If the player is booked then that is the end of the matter?

I was at the Brighton v Stoke game last night, clear penalty for Brighton when Shawcross clobbered Murray - no pen given, no booking for Murray either - how does this all make sense ?

Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: blargins on November 21, 2017, 07:15:25 PM
Imagine if it had happened the other way round. Imagine if Niasse had signed for Palace and it was Keane who nudged him slightly.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Escla on November 21, 2017, 07:24:20 PM
Imagine if it had happened the other way round. Imagine if Niasse had signed for Palace and it was Keane who nudged him slightly.

I'd be fuckin fumin ! lolol
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Gash on November 21, 2017, 07:25:08 PM
Though I agree, there should be punishment for diving, I think its harsh to introduce it part way through the season, without warning.

It was announced ages ago that it would be introduced at the start of the season, remember Allardyce moaning about it when he was Palace manager.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: gizzblue on November 21, 2017, 07:25:16 PM
Imagine if it had happened the other way round. Imagine if Niasse had signed for Palace and it was Keane who nudged him slightly.
Keane sent off .simple.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Macca77 on November 21, 2017, 07:26:08 PM
Lads, he dived, you all saw it, yes there was contact but not enough for him to throw himself they way he did, take your blue tinted giggs off for a bit, it's not a conspiracy against us, its unfortunate.

But, it will be very interesting to see what happens when a player from the "sky top 6" does the same.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: GLewis on November 21, 2017, 07:26:57 PM
Why do you only get a booking if punished in the game but a ban if picked up afterwards.

You donít get worse bans for retrospective punishments for elbows etc.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Major Clanger on November 21, 2017, 07:28:56 PM
It was announced ages ago that it would be introduced at the start of the season, remember Allardyce moaning about it when he was Palace manager.

They are rolling it out in stages though, first only for teams in the bottom half of the table.

What surprises me is how quickly all the "he had the right to go down there, Clive" people have changed their tune.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: hill135 on November 21, 2017, 07:29:11 PM
it was a dive
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Macca77 on November 21, 2017, 07:31:08 PM
The dirty cheat, see, I told you all that he is shit

;)
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Sir Stealth on November 21, 2017, 07:31:12 PM
Does seem a bit harsh that if a ref catches you in the game itís a yellow card

If he doesnít catch you then itís a 2 match ban

Ban the ref for not seeing it I say!

And let Oumar play cos we love him
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: gizzblue on November 21, 2017, 07:32:01 PM
The dirty cheat, see, I told you all that he is shit

;)
I honestly think we all know this ...but it's deffo strange Niasse is the first to be punished retro for it .
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Major Clanger on November 21, 2017, 07:32:01 PM
Why do you only get a booking if punished in the game but a ban if picked up afterwards.

You donít get worse bans for retrospective punishments for elbows etc.

That bit is fine, it's to encourage players to admit diving on the spot. (Just like pleading guilty in a court.)

What is less fine is the rather arbitrary way in which they chose the first victim of the rule. Am I to believe that in the 110 games played in the Premier League before Saturday, not a single player had dived? Pull the other one.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: piggypop on November 21, 2017, 07:34:14 PM
Why do you only get a booking if punished in the game but a ban if picked up afterwards.

You don't get worse bans for retrospective punishments for elbows etc.
If he had been booked during the game, the penalty wouldn't have been given.

 Because it was missed during the game we gained a goal advantage. If the penalty had been missed and their player hadn't been sent off, I don't think they charge the player who dives.

I think we'll all miss Niasse if he's banned, but he did dive and gain us an unfair advantage. It's a fair cop really.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Macca77 on November 21, 2017, 07:34:17 PM
What is less fine is the rather arbitrary way in which they chose the first victim of the rule. Am I to believe that in the 110 games played in the Premier League before Saturday, not a single player had dived? Pull the other one.

This is the annoying bit about this, there's been loads of dives this season, and yet only now do they decide to take action.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Major Clanger on November 21, 2017, 07:34:38 PM
it was a dive

I don't think anyone seriously contests that it was a dive. But was it the first dive in the Premier League this season?
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: gizzblue on November 21, 2017, 07:35:35 PM
That bit is fine, it's to encourage players to admit diving on the spot. (Just like pleading guilty in a court.)

What is less fine is the rather arbitrary way in which they chose the first victim of the rule. Am I to believe that in the 110 games played in the Premier League before Saturday, not a single player had dived? Pull the other one.
Can't be the only one ,watch Delli Ally for any amount of time ....he's the new Ashley Williams /klinsman/Tom Daily .
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Macca77 on November 21, 2017, 07:36:58 PM
Does seem a bit harsh that if a ref catches you in the game itís a yellow card

If he doesnít catch you then itís a 2 match ban

Ban the ref for not seeing it I say!

And let Oumar play cos we love him

#justiceforOumar

Hope all of our players have tshirts with that written on them this sunday
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Escla on November 21, 2017, 07:40:19 PM
Thing is, as we well know if he appeals then he just gets a three match ban, if he doesn't appeal he is admitting that he's a diver, game for anyone to take him down in the box from now on knowing it's more likely that Niasse gets a yellow card and not a pen. Every manager in the league whispering in the refs ear
to watch out for that cheat Niasse.



Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: blargins on November 21, 2017, 07:43:31 PM
He didn't dive anyway. He's just a shit unorthodox player who can't stay on his feet ;)
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Audrey Horne on November 21, 2017, 07:45:07 PM
So will the ref be banned too? For not doing his job properly...
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Gary1878 on November 21, 2017, 07:52:02 PM
There is not a problem punishing diving. I hate it in football. But this needs to be a consistent application of the law and bet they will have second thoughts when Aguero does it.

What is the process for it being reviewed? Who makes this decision and who are the panel that are reviewing these decisions? Do they have any bias towards any particular club and does the panel change if this is the case?

Too many ifs/buts/maybes and questions and not enough concrete answers.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Escla on November 21, 2017, 07:54:07 PM
No, the charge is that he "deceived" the ref, therefore no guilt on the refs part.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Cereal Killer on November 21, 2017, 07:59:31 PM
Pretty sure the rules established at the start of the season clearly stated that retrospective bans would only apply where a penalty was won or a red card issued....

Not sure what other examples people can come up with of where this hasn't been applied??
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Escla on November 21, 2017, 08:04:33 PM
When does his ban begin , does he miss Southampton ?
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: everton1952 on November 21, 2017, 08:11:21 PM
There is not a problem punishing diving. I hate it in football. But this needs to be a consistent application of the law and bet they will have second thoughts when Aguero does it.

What is the process for it being reviewed? Who makes this decision and who are the panel that are reviewing these decisions? Do they have any bias towards any particular club and does the panel change if this is the case?

Too many ifs/buts/maybes and questions and not enough concrete answers.
Top players from top clubs do not get punished because of the fear of back lash from high profile managers. There have been many dives which have not fooled the ref. What is the different in terms of guilt between Niasse who got a pen and the Man City/Arsenal/Chelsea players who tried and did not?
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Escla on November 21, 2017, 08:14:52 PM
Makes me sad reading that, only because I remember when we were "a top club"  mid table clubs like Chelsea, Arsenal and Man City never got a look in.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Cereal Killer on November 21, 2017, 08:23:29 PM
Top players from top clubs do not get punished because of the fear of back lash from high profile managers. There have been many dives which have not fooled the ref. What is the different in terms of guilt between Niasse who got a pen and the Man City/Arsenal/Chelsea players who tried and did not?

The rules stated it would only apply to situations where a penalty/red card was awarded, it's the same for everyone - they basically couldn't be arsed to have to review tons of incidents every week, so concentrated on the dives that have biggest impact
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Major Clanger on November 21, 2017, 08:27:56 PM
The rules stated it would only apply to situations where a penalty/red card was awarded, it's the same for everyone - they basically couldn't be arsed to have to review tons of incidents every week, so concentrated on the dives that have biggest impact

Yet Bernardo Silva was let off for an incredibly blatant dive against Burnley that gave them the lead.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: van der Meyde on November 21, 2017, 08:29:52 PM
Pretty sure the rules established at the start of the season clearly stated that retrospective bans would only apply where a penalty was won or a red card issued....
Thats not particularly logical though. What makes a "successful deception" inside the box more worthy of one outside? Why doesn't an unsuccessful dive not get given the same punishment, just a booking?

If they really want to do something about diving - rather than just put a show on for publicity - they should apply it across the board.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: everton1952 on November 21, 2017, 08:32:15 PM
I accept that, but the ignominy correctly falls upon Niasse who was caught cheating but several  other high profile cheats like Sanchez and Hazard escape official blame because their attempts to cheat are not counted because no pen was delivered.  Nothing can be done about it of course.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: School of Science on November 21, 2017, 08:39:10 PM
If he's banned there's sod all we can do about it, we should look on it as an opportunity for Sandro to play in his place. Hope this ruling is a applied to the so called bigger teams player's though  ::)
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Django on November 21, 2017, 08:44:17 PM
Danny Murphy on the panel.

Incredible that. I'm sure he's being completely fair and unbiased isn't he.

Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: School of Science on November 21, 2017, 08:46:44 PM
Danny Murphy on the panel.

Incredible that. I'm sure he's being completely fair and unbiased isn't he.



Hahahaha, well that explains it, the fucking troll. You just fucking knew there had to be someone from the fucking shite on that panel wouldn't you.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Major Clanger on November 21, 2017, 08:50:52 PM
Danny Murphy on the panel.

Incredible that. I'm sure he's being completely fair and unbiased isn't he.

That's a joke, right? They didn't let that gimp with no refereeing experience on a panel to overrule a refereeing decision made on the pitch, right?
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: van der Meyde on November 21, 2017, 09:04:37 PM
That's a joke, right? They didn't let that gimp with no refereeing experience on a panel to overrule a refereeing decision made on the pitch, right?
One ex-player, one ex-manager, one ex-referee. Potentially a different panel each week.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Bluedylan on November 21, 2017, 09:13:40 PM
It was a clear dive. No issue with that personally. It wouldn't have even made it into Dele Alli's top 5 dives this season. Wonder how Niasse would be viewed if he were a young English player?

Oh and Danny Murphy is a fuckwit.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: gizzblue on November 21, 2017, 09:16:01 PM
I knew Anthony Taylor would come to his senses and realise we are everton ...what on earth was he doing awarding a pen.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Major Clanger on November 21, 2017, 09:16:26 PM
One ex-player, one ex-manager, one ex-referee. Potentially a different panel each week.

We should have an ex-parrot too, just to complete the set.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: kramer0 on November 21, 2017, 09:18:27 PM
Oh, well. It is what it is.

Maybe this forces Unsworth to play Rooney as a CF again, which hopefully forces us to keep the ball on the deck some. We haven't had any control over a match since Rooney played as the lone CF against Chelsea, and I don't think it's a coincidence that our defense goes to shit when our attacking "plan" is to chase after long balls. We've shown all season that we have difficulty making the ball stick when we play it long and that we're incapable of dealing with the ball coming back at us over and over again (this is what ultimately sunk Koeman). Crystal Palace wouldn't have dominated Saturday's game so thoroughly if we had made any sort of commitment to actually passing on the ground. I get that we don't have the players to be a genuinely good passing side but not bothering with possession at all isn't the answer.

Niasse is a great, direct option and we'll certainly miss him but hopefully some good comes out of it.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Django on November 21, 2017, 09:25:11 PM
Hahahaha, well that explains it, the fucking troll. You just fucking knew there had to be someone from the fucking shite on that panel wouldn't you.

Not half. Absolute joke. How can you have an ex player from the shite on a panel to decide if an Everton player receives a ban or not. Absolutely ridiculous.

They really are like cockroaches them ex redshites. Scuttle their way in to any available orifice.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: pjk on November 21, 2017, 09:31:40 PM
If he's banned there's sod all we can do about it, we should look on it as an opportunity for Sandro to play in his place. Hope this ruling is a applied to the so called bigger teams player's though  ::)



I'd forgotten about Sandro. "Come on Ramirez"!!! ;D
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Major Clanger on November 21, 2017, 09:39:28 PM
If he's banned there's sod all we can do about it, we should look on it as an opportunity for Sandro to play in his place. Hope this ruling is a applied to the so called bigger teams player's though  ::)

We already know it isn't.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: blueToffee on November 21, 2017, 09:54:51 PM
Kinda fuming seeing this, and how all of a sudden the rules apply here but not other cases why exactly?
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: blueToffee on November 21, 2017, 10:00:52 PM
Oh, well. It is what it is.

Maybe this forces Unsworth to play Rooney as a CF again, which hopefully forces us to keep the ball on the deck some. We haven't had any control over a match since Rooney played as the lone CF against Chelsea, and I don't think it's a coincidence that our defense goes to shit when our attacking "plan" is to chase after long balls. We've shown all season that we have difficulty making the ball stick when we play it long and that we're incapable of dealing with the ball coming back at us over and over again (this is what ultimately sunk Koeman). Crystal Palace wouldn't have dominated Saturday's game so thoroughly if we had made any sort of commitment to actually passing on the ground. I get that we don't have the players to be a genuinely good passing side but not bothering with possession at all isn't the answer.

Niasse is a great, direct option and we'll certainly miss him but hopefully some good comes out of it.

I'm not seeing the positives here. We've seen us without Niasse (as strange as that is to say) and we're pretty listless up top without him. We barely looked like scoring or threatening a goal with either DCL or Rooney up top, plus it's just so slooooow. Maybe we don't lose possession in the same way but usually after we if retain the ball we played it back and sideways enough until we gave the ball away in a dangerous position in the midfield instead. So if anything I'd rather we lost the ball to a punt upfield as at least it's going to be higher up the pitch.

We were getting a tiny bit of momentum attacking wise. It'd really be pretty crappy to lose that now.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on November 21, 2017, 10:02:44 PM
We should have an ex-parrot too, just to complete the set.
One ex-player, one ex-manager, one ex-referee. Potentially a different panel each week.

Yeah all RS
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: School of Science on November 21, 2017, 10:12:20 PM
According to SSN we are appealing the decision. Good.

In light of this the FA are adding John Aldridge to the panel, to ensure Niasse gets the extra game ban for a frivolous  appeal.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Ross on November 21, 2017, 10:14:50 PM
https://twitter.com/AHunterGuardian/status/933001854560153600?s=17

Going to contest it according to Hunter.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: GLewis on November 21, 2017, 10:19:58 PM
I'm not seeing the positives here. We've seen us without Niasse (as strange as that is to say) and we're pretty listless up top without him. We barely looked like scoring or threatening a goal with either DCL or Rooney up top, plus it's just so slooooow. Maybe we don't lose possession in the same way but usually after we if retain the ball we played it back and sideways enough until we gave the ball away in a dangerous position in the midfield instead. So if anything I'd rather we lost the ball to a punt upfield as at least it's going to be higher up the pitch.

We were getting a tiny bit of momentum attacking wise. It'd really be pretty crappy to lose that now.

Would have preferred him to be available to play with Rooney as I wouldnít say we had any particular momentum attacking since our 5 goals have been 2 forced errors, a set piece and 1 pen where the defender slipped and 1 ďdebatableĒ decision.

Created 1 decent and chance second half vs Palace and had no spells of pressure.

We need to find some way of increasing our possession in the oppositionís half.

Having more players who can pass the ball (plus move from their starting position) would be a start.

We of course need some ďrunnersĒ to balance this out.

The only time we did that was second half vs Chelsea.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: bacon sarnie on November 21, 2017, 10:24:33 PM
'Niasse could become the first Premier League player to be hit with a retrospective ban for diving following the introduction of the new law at the start of the season. But the 27-year-old will only be handed a two-match suspension if the panel which convenes to oversee his case unanimously agree that Niasse was guilty of the offence.'

Another first. Go FA! Whoop-whoop!!

Won't even mention Dann......
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: blueski on November 21, 2017, 10:29:52 PM
can't see any appeal being successful unfortunately. the media seem to be making an example of him.

seems like they are all too happy to target a player like Niasse who isn't a big name and label him a cheat

the poor man - like he hasn't been through enough adversity already.

groupthink is such a drag sometimes.

Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Alanvideo on November 21, 2017, 10:38:14 PM
The media ,the refs and the FA all favour the big teams. Kompany should have got  a red card at the weekend ,just like a Leicester player would have .
I think we are right to appeal as there was contact but it might make the punishment worse.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: JordanianEmbassy on November 21, 2017, 10:50:38 PM
We should have an ex-parrot too, just to complete the set.

He didn't dive he was pining for the fjords!
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Paddockoldie on November 21, 2017, 10:56:46 PM
Surely he should get a booking if anything as that's what he'd have got had the red thought he dived on the night? A bad is worse punishment, after the event and for the same 'crime'.. Gerrard would never have played.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: van der Meyde on November 21, 2017, 10:58:01 PM
Just had a look at the video of the incident again as didn't see it in the ground.

Does Niasse really even appeal for a penalty? I'd have had a "fraudulent appeal" as a prerequisite for deception personally. As it is, Taylor's got a clear view and gives the penalty immediately.

It's a very soft penalty, but the referee getting it wrong doesn't mean it's deception.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: blargins on November 21, 2017, 11:03:51 PM
Makes me sad reading that, only because I remember when we were "a top club"  mid table clubs like Chelsea, Arsenal and Man City never got a look in.
Arsenal have always been a top club.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: blueToffee on November 21, 2017, 11:23:30 PM
Would have preferred him to be available to play with Rooney as I wouldnít say we had any particular momentum attacking since our 5 goals have been 2 forced errors, a set piece and 1 pen where the defender slipped and 1 ďdebatableĒ decision.

Created 1 decent and chance second half vs Palace and had no spells of pressure.

We need to find some way of increasing our possession in the oppositionís half.

Having more players who can pass the ball (plus move from their starting position) would be a start.

We of course need some ďrunnersĒ to balance this out.

The only time we did that was second half vs Chelsea.

I agree to a point, and I'd say the way we've been scoring isn't maybe built on the right foundations. However, I don't think we score possibly 4 out of 5 goals without Niasse. That is a concern to me, as unless Sandro has an awakening we're left with Rooney and DCL again and have we not tried that enough to say it lacks potency? We are benefiting from the movement and pressing up front that he provides or with other players combines to make happen, and which we were utterly lacking beforehand.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: 74Blue on November 22, 2017, 12:11:54 AM
Surely he should get a booking if anything as that's what he'd have got had the red thought he dived on the night? A bad is worse punishment, after the event and for the same 'crime'.. Gerrard would never have played.
Gerrard? Dive???
Never. Gerrard would never do anything like that and he would have a strong word if one of his teammates tried it too. He said so in his book, so it must be true!
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Macca77 on November 22, 2017, 12:12:44 AM
https://twitter.com/KavanaghsArklow/status/933005664565243904
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Ridge on November 22, 2017, 12:19:41 AM
Crazy precedent to set, there is clear contact and Dann attempts to obstruct path with no intent for the ball.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on November 22, 2017, 12:23:26 AM
https://twitter.com/KavanaghsArklow/status/933005664565243904

Kopite behaviour. Colm should know better.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Macca77 on November 22, 2017, 12:33:58 AM
Kopite behaviour. Colm should know better.

Haha i thought exactly the same
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Shropshire Blue on November 22, 2017, 12:41:32 AM
He went down far too easily, there was hardly any contact that affected his balance. If it was an opposition player in front of Gwladys Street we'd be fuming. And it could have been both a penalty and a dive.
Diving is ruining the game for spectators and it's good to see some action being taken. You win some you lose some.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: plowman2 on November 22, 2017, 03:41:23 AM
So long as they are consistent it might benefit us in the long run. We tend to be pretty green when it comes to cheating!
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: blueski on November 22, 2017, 04:38:06 AM
Just had a look at the video of the incident again as didn't see it in the ground.

Does Niasse really even appeal for a penalty? I'd have had a "fraudulent appeal" as a prerequisite for deception personally. As it is, Taylor's got a clear view and gives the penalty immediately.

It's a very soft penalty, but the referee getting it wrong doesn't mean it's deception.
it was a quick decision by the referee but there's no move made by Niasse to appeal for a penalty. perhaps that's part of the basis for the appeal?
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: therealdunc on November 22, 2017, 05:02:01 AM
No way is this a clear cut dive

The new rule when it was explained on sky sports news pre season by Mike Riley head of refs was for Ďdeliberate diving or simulationí they are the words he used.

How is Niasse getting physically touched by the defender deliberate diving or simulation?

Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: bacon sarnie on November 22, 2017, 05:02:45 AM
He went down far too easily, there was hardly any contact that affected his balance. If it was an opposition player in front of Gwladys Street we'd be fuming. And it could have been both a penalty and a dive.
Diving is ruining the game for spectators and it's good to see some action being taken. You win some you lose some.


See the cheating & diving in the Sevilla match tonight but its OK its the CL. Double standarding bastards!
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Ell Capitan on November 22, 2017, 05:52:31 AM
Embarrassing the lengths people will go to to defend diving. 
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: pjk on November 22, 2017, 06:03:05 AM
Someone else tried fucking our mate Niasse over. A walk in the park for Oumar. :)
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: blueToffee on November 22, 2017, 06:34:14 AM
Embarrassing the lengths people will go to to defend diving. 

I donít think itís clear cut in the modern game. Players have been conditioned to sell a foul otherwise they donít get given. Thatís the precedent. Weíve seen in many a time when the player stays on his feet he doesnít get a decision, I canít even think of a single example to the contrary, can you?

So in that context, Dann clearly steps across his run Niasse is running into space and feels itís a foul because heís impeded. So goes down as thatís how players have been shown to ask the question of whether itís a foul or not.

This isnít a case of him jumping a tackle and going down two steps later. He was asking the question whether Dann obstructed him. I donít think Dann had any intention of playing the ball nor was he not able to get out of the way, he knew what he was doing. He clearly did step into Niasse path. Iíd say that would be given a foul on the halfway line and nobody bats an eyelid.

I donít think it was enough to knock Niasse down but in this instance I donít think thatís strangely the issue.

 
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: blueToffee on November 22, 2017, 06:40:51 AM
The second issue is a matter of consistency. Where is the sense in only reviewing or punishing these behaviours inside the box or after a red card? How is that an effective deterrent? Weíve seen plenty of free kicks leading to goals under dubious circumstances. Just last week the first goal in the Arsenal vs Spurs game was a dive by Sanchez. So...thatís ok because why?

Itís just dumb. Do it right or donít bother.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Gash on November 22, 2017, 06:54:16 AM
Embarrassing the lengths people will go to to defend diving. 

You think that's bad, apparently someone's done a 'defensive metric' whatever that is?
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Ramjam on November 22, 2017, 08:42:32 AM
When we challenge the matter I hope we produce the video of the Brighton game where we should have had a second penalty for shirt pulling in the box, was that incident so vigorously scrutinised and punished, no I didnít think so. COYB win the case for the big man, itís time we backed him up for a change after the treatment he previously received
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Jamokachi on November 22, 2017, 09:08:54 AM
It was a dive, like.

A retrospective 2 game ban seems a bit ridiculous a punishment though, as if the referee thought it was a dive it would have resulted in a yellow card at worst.

So that should be the punishment, a retrospective yellow card.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Ridge on November 22, 2017, 09:33:48 AM
Quote
The eight former managers and players on the FA list are: Nigel Adkins, Rachel Brown-Finnis, Terry Butcher, Lee Dixon, Alex McLeish, Danny Murphy, Chris Powell and Trevor Sinclair.

The five ex-match officials are: Keren Barratt, Steve Dunn, Mike Mullarkey, Alan Wiley and Eddie Wolstenholme.

Danny Murphy, Nigel Adkins and any of the officials would be my guess.

It's not a dive, it's not simulation, he didn't initiate contact, he went down from a player pivoting into his path. Oumar is trying to run through 2 Palace players, Dann is obstructing route with no intent for the ball, it's soft, but it's soft pen, embellishment, not simulation. Otherwise you'd be banning half a dozen players every game.

https://twitter.com/TopTackles/status/933003298679947264
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Bob Sacamano on November 22, 2017, 01:46:53 PM
Iím expected by these retrospective bans to be in double figures by the end of the season now theyíve set the standard.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Lxxx on November 22, 2017, 01:58:17 PM
This is what Alexis Sanchez or Eden Hazard do every week. Draw the slightest contact and go over. They wouldn't dare single them two out for this type of action.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: AllyBlue14 on November 22, 2017, 02:05:29 PM
At least there was defender-made contact here. So many players go down with no contact at all, or fabricate the contact themselves by clipping the defender (Vardy). They're much worse than going down easily having actually been clipped. That's not to say it's ok, but you can't honestly tell me this is the first time it's happened all season.


Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Ell Capitan on November 22, 2017, 02:16:43 PM
I donít think itís clear cut in the modern game. Players have been conditioned to sell a foul otherwise they donít get given. Thatís the precedent.

But this is part of the problem which this new rule is trying to fix.  It's not the new normal for the "modern game" which additional rules mustn't interfere with.

Ultimately let's see how many players dive - whether without contact or asking the question - for a penalty in the coming weeks as more of these bans are issued. If it's less then I'm happy.

I think some people have forgotten (or never knew) what it was like back when players didn't flop to the ground at the slightest hint of contact.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Escla on November 22, 2017, 02:43:16 PM
I hope we show this to the panel !


https://pbs.twimg.com/ext_tw_video_thumb/932982637014192128/pu/img/QJwmv2xvDyvP7lr8.jpg
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: sam of the south on November 22, 2017, 02:43:23 PM
I wonder if you'll see any retrospective bans being inflicted on Liverpool or United players this season?

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and guess no.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Ell Capitan on November 22, 2017, 02:58:37 PM
The second issue is a matter of consistency. Where is the sense in only reviewing or punishing these behaviours inside the box or after a red card? How is that an effective deterrent? Weíve seen plenty of free kicks leading to goals under dubious circumstances. Just last week the first goal in the Arsenal vs Spurs game was a dive by Sanchez. So...thatís ok because why?

Itís just dumb. Do it right or donít bother.

Come on, you know the answer to that.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Ell Capitan on November 22, 2017, 03:02:38 PM
I wonder if you'll see any retrospective bans being inflicted on Liverpool or United players this season?

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and guess no.

Wouldn't surprise me if they are. Tend to get more focus on their games so it's much harder for authorities to ignore a blatant dive if there is one.

Much as Everton fans like to think the whole game is conspiring against us, it's not really the case.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on November 22, 2017, 03:21:35 PM
Dann initiated contact and Niasse when down, easily, yes, but heís not obliged to stay on his feet. Not like when you see players jumping over the keeper and dangling a leg out to make contact, therefore initiating contact.

And as Jamo said, if it was seen by the ref, itíd only be a yellow card. Why should we get punished because the ref got it wrong?
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Jimmywhack on November 22, 2017, 03:25:49 PM
It's a dive but as others have said, if that's the standard the FA are setting I expect to see plenty of players receiving the same punishment
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: sam of the south on November 22, 2017, 03:48:26 PM
Wouldn't surprise me if they are. Tend to get more focus on their games so it's much harder for authorities to ignore a blatant dive if there is one.

Much as Everton fans like to think the whole game is conspiring against us, it's not really the case.

Bollocks
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Ell Capitan on November 22, 2017, 04:15:00 PM
Bollocks

Shall we place a bet?

Whoever is proven wrong (as one of us will be by the end of the season, at the latest) has to be the other one's NSNO bitch for a week.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Toddacelli on November 22, 2017, 04:27:24 PM
I've said it for years now, referees should be looking at the foul itself and not whether the player being fouled falls over or stays on his feet. If they did that there would be no need for players to dive because they would be looking at what Dann does and whether it constitutes a foul.

Really good point that.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: sam of the south on November 22, 2017, 04:45:43 PM
Shall we place a bet?

Whoever is proven wrong (as one of us will be by the end of the season, at the latest) has to be the other one's NSNO bitch for a week.

Haha

What do you envisage the nsno bitch doing exactly? 😳

I can't bet, I'm a mormon or something.

However, back to the point: if you are an Evertonian, and you state that the RS receive the same treatment from match officials and football's governing bodies as Everton, then I suggest you are being a contrarian and a provocateur ;) 

Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: ally2 on November 22, 2017, 05:04:36 PM
I guess diving is only important if you win a penalty?  They should focus on the basics first like ensuring throw ins are taken from the correct position, and the blatant time wasting that goes on, getting added time correct etc
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: SANA_DR0 on November 22, 2017, 07:19:54 PM
the retrospective action on Niasse is a joke.

Sanchez, Dele Ali, both dive more in  one game than Niasse has done in his career, yet he gets done for it.

i guess being in the capital has its advantages.

Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: chang on November 22, 2017, 07:26:50 PM
Read a very good point somewhere yesterday - Deli Ali can dive as in the clip 5 times before getting a one match ban .... Ref misses it he can get 2 match ban .... I like to think of myself as reasonable bloke, but that, if correct, makes no sense to me at all .. :eh:

Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Escla on November 22, 2017, 07:43:21 PM

This the same guy that said on ZMOTD that Niasse should be banned ?


http://metro.co.uk/2012/10/28/phil-neville-forced-to-apologise-for-dive-in-thrilling-merseyside-draw-everton-2-2-liverpool-608995/
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Gash on November 22, 2017, 08:51:11 PM
2 game ban.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Escla on November 22, 2017, 08:58:38 PM
So this panel, do they watch every single game to see if anyone has taken a dive or do they just look at incidents where the MOTD pundits say it was a dive ?
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Macca77 on November 22, 2017, 09:06:58 PM
Appeal failed, misses the next 2 games
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Shropshire Blue on November 22, 2017, 09:19:50 PM
I still think there were two offences - the penalty and the dive. The ref obviously saw the first and gave it. Whether it was right or wrong is now irrelevant as his decision is final.
What I can't remember is how (in this case) the dive is referred to a panel. Am I right in thinking it can only be referred if the ref hasn't seen the incident in question? So, perhaps he sees one -end of and misses the other - referred.
If we want to cut down on so called diving then we need the professionals and administrators to clamp down consistently. But as fans we need to step back and be objective and cut down on our hysterical paranoia.
The reality is these decisions are judgements made in a split second in a fast moving scenario. It's what makes the game what it is -exciting, unpredictable and emotional. Let's be careful we don't go down the route of games being continually stop start with more and more video technology as that is the only way to completely clamp down.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Evertonian in NC on November 22, 2017, 09:23:45 PM
absolutely farcical.  Guess we can see a little more of Sandro, is the silver lining.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: D15TIN on November 22, 2017, 09:29:36 PM
absolutely farcical.  Guess we can see a little more of Sandro, is the silver lining.
I'd like to see him in a 2 upfront as that is what he was playing at Malaga, he is not a lone number 9 in a million years
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on November 22, 2017, 09:33:54 PM
You would think Sandro and Niasse would work well together, with them both being very fluid and harassing players, with someone creative (normally) like Sigurdsson behind them and a bit of width from Lookman, Lennon, Vlasic, BOLASIE!, etc, you would THINK we would be able to create more danger for opposing teams. I guess we will stick with kick and chase until a new manager comes in.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: gizzblue on November 22, 2017, 09:34:51 PM
Let's see how many more get done now ....it's gonna be murder if they miss anything at all now ...fucking make the rules up as they go ?....will the referee be charged for a shit performance ?....and why is retrospective action now aloud although the referee saw the alleged offence ... the f.a. is a crank ...pushed into descisions by media bias .
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: SANA_DR0 on November 22, 2017, 09:46:13 PM
So this panel, do they watch every single game to see if anyone has taken a dive or do they just look at incidents where the MOTD pundits say it was a dive ?

they go for what the motd pundits say.. oh and Everton games... surprised Davies hasnt been done for diving as well.. if anyone, he seems to fall over the most for Everton/.. but fucking Niasse, the only player in england to play every game with a beaming smile..

no matter what they do. Niasse will smile on.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Ross on November 22, 2017, 09:49:28 PM
So is there any point in this appeal process?

Basically youíre guilty as charged with the FA. I canít believe theyíve reassessed this with another ďimpartial 3 man panelĒ and all six have come to the same unanimous decision in such as short space of time from being charged and being convicted.

Also whoís job is it bring these incidents before a panel? The refs? Some nobody at the FA? Somebodys got to be responsible for looking at these incidents to decided if theyíre worthy of investigation. Are these incidents just judged on how much noise the tv pundits make?
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on November 22, 2017, 09:50:14 PM
Guaranteed there will be an incident this weekend-  will it go unpunished  fuck yeah
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on November 22, 2017, 09:56:24 PM
Yup, there will be several similar "fan incidents" like our so called baby holder, but they wont get punished either (like we have just been fined for today). I cant wait to see how much these same people, that love twisting the knife in our backs react, when we do become a premiership superpower, like how they now suck up to City! Fuckers.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: blueToffee on November 22, 2017, 10:21:21 PM
I think it's a joke. If I had any sort of faith this would be applied fairly I'd get on board, but I have zero. For good reason too considering there have already been 2 Man City incidents that looked far worse.

I think the FA have made a rod for their own back here. One though they'll be more than happy to ignore when it suits them though.

They are cherry picking their targets, teams that have no real media backing or pundits to cause a fuss. The first one in the football league where the guy tried to play on and this one.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: everton1952 on November 22, 2017, 10:22:48 PM
Niasse will get kicked all over the penalty areas now by defenders. Remember Johnson? One he got the "reputation" for going over he never got a decision in his favour. The big boys will escape no doubt, rule for one and a rule for the rest.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 22, 2017, 10:30:34 PM
120 games into the season and we are to believe this is the first dive of the season?
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Evertonian in NC on November 22, 2017, 10:32:04 PM
I'd like to see him in a 2 upfront as that is what he was playing at Malaga, he is not a lone number 9 in a million years

4-4-2 with Rooney and Sandro up top is what I'd do until Niasse is back.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: D15TIN on November 22, 2017, 10:36:06 PM
4-4-2 with Rooney and Sandro up top is what I'd do until Niasse is back.
Id probably go with DCL and Sandro, think he's better in the air and rooney would drop too deep and leave sandro isolated
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Evertonian in NC on November 22, 2017, 10:41:46 PM
Could rotate, see what works best.  I recall one of the pre-season games seeing Sandro and Rooney playing up top and working together well, has stuck in the back of my mind ever since as something I want to see more of, assuming Rooney can keep discipline if properly warned by Rhino he'll be pulled if he doesn't.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: blargins on November 22, 2017, 10:42:17 PM
I wonder how good a manager Niasse could be? If he could instill his never say die attitude on the players he could become the most unorthodox manager ever too...
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: blueToffee on November 22, 2017, 11:05:13 PM

I mean really? This is the incident they pick?

I still think Dann made zero attempt to play the ball too.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Django on November 22, 2017, 11:22:45 PM
Fucking raging over that ban. Underlines how it's one rule for certain clubs and different rules for others.

No way that's a dive. Scott Dann makes no attempt to play the ball. Fucking joke. Hate the FA, hate modern football and hate Danny Murphy.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Brownie20 on November 22, 2017, 11:30:02 PM
Absolute fucking joke
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Major Clanger on November 22, 2017, 11:31:08 PM
Fucking raging over that ban. Underlines how it's one rule for certain clubs and different rules for others.

No way that's a dive. Scott Dann makes no attempt to play the ball. Fucking joke. Hate the FA, hate modern football and hate Danny Murphy.

It's a clear dive, regardless of the contact and Dann's attempt to block him off.

The real problem is that even bigger dives have gone unpunished.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: bacon sarnie on November 22, 2017, 11:31:24 PM
Next thing they'll be accusing him of biting.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Brownie20 on November 22, 2017, 11:35:05 PM
It's a clear dive, regardless of the contact and Dann's attempt to block him off.

The real problem is that even bigger dives have gone unpunished.

100% that is why I'm angry.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: blueToffee on November 22, 2017, 11:41:51 PM
Hey, look Willian goes down under a nudge for Chelsea and they've got a penalty and the opposition player sent off.

Should we expect a media meltdown..?

(https://media.giphy.com/media/DFNd1yVyRjmF2/giphy.gif)

(Yes, I realize it's the CL not the PL but again it's the bigger point of appearance of consistency).
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: blueToffee on November 22, 2017, 11:43:56 PM
It's a clear dive, regardless of the contact and Dann's attempt to block him off.

The real problem is that even bigger dives have gone unpunished.

Do you think Dann did anything that could be construed as a foul there? I do think Niasse when down on purpose, but I think he thought he'd been fouled (and the chance was disappearing) so he was asking the question as players know they don't get anything for a foul by staying on their feet.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Evertonian in NC on November 22, 2017, 11:44:12 PM
Perhaps just American tinfoil hat stuff here, but do you all suspect Hodgson's residual contacts within the FA played a role here?
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Gash on November 22, 2017, 11:49:57 PM
Perhaps just American tinfoil hat stuff here, but do you all suspect Hodgson's residual contacts within the FA played a role here?

No.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: TheRam on November 23, 2017, 12:04:58 AM
Danny Murphy looked really ill last time he was on tele.

Every cloud.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: blargins on November 23, 2017, 12:06:44 AM
From behind, it looks a dive. Close up on the front, you can see why he went down. It was a soft pen, but no way does that warrant a two game ban.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Django on November 23, 2017, 12:11:20 AM
It's a clear dive, regardless of the contact and Dann's attempt to block him off.

The real problem is that even bigger dives have gone unpunished.

I actually donít think itís a dive to be honest. Heís gone down easily but there was clear contact and Dan made no attempt for the ball. Itís a grey area at best and certainly not a retrospectively punishable offence
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Django on November 23, 2017, 12:11:58 AM
Danny Murphy looked really ill last time he was on tele.

Every cloud.

Nothing trivial I hope.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Toffee1 on November 23, 2017, 12:19:36 AM
Nothing trivial I hope.

He's missing the fact that he can't wax lyrical as much about his god, Steven Gerrard. now that slippy is no longer playing.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: pjk on November 23, 2017, 12:20:13 AM
I'm afraid, with retrospective action and if this incident is the benchmark? The cheats Ali, Sanchez, and Mane et-al are going to be dropping like flies. "Literally". This incident is nowhere near as clearcut as some I've seen this season. I'm really looking forward to this weekend if Wenger finds one of his players on the receiving end there'll be fucking murder. Mourinho doesn't even bear thinking about
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 23, 2017, 12:25:28 AM
Is every dive that wins a free kick now a 2 match ban? You could lose players for 6 or 8 games over a single match. Though lets be honest here they've "caught" 1 player in 120 games so there won't be many more in reality
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Jimmywhack on November 23, 2017, 12:28:40 AM
Danny Murphy looked really ill last time he was on tele.

Every cloud.
He's looked Ill for twenty years
Remember seeing him and berger (one big bastard) in loaf in Chester and thinking  Murphy looked ill
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Macca77 on November 23, 2017, 12:28:42 AM
I'm afraid, with retrospective action and if this incident is the benchmark? The cheats Ali, Sanchez, and Mane et-al are going to be dropping like flies. "Literally". This incident is nowhere near as clearcut as some I've seen this season. I'm really looking forward to this weekend if Wenger finds one of his players on the receiving end there'll be fucking murder. Mourinho doesn't even bear thinking about

Correct, the FA will bottle it
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: blueToffee on November 23, 2017, 12:28:49 AM
Is every dive that wins a free kick now a 2 match ban? You could lose players for 6 or 8 games over a single match. Though lets be honest here they've "caught" 1 player in 120 games so there won't be many more in reality

That's the point. The application of this diving eradication is sporadic and cherry picked.

How if the point of all this if the point is to eradicate diving that Sanchez's free kick for the first goal versus Spurs wasn't a retroactive ban? I know the rules don't allow it, but that's the point the rules are so narrow as to be absurd. Why should players like Dele Alli escape a 2 game ban for (blatant) diving even if they got a yellow in the game? He should be banned too, or is the yellow deemed sufficient to put players off diving? In which case why isn't Niasse given a retrospective yellow card?

It makes no sense. At all.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on November 23, 2017, 12:39:10 AM
Everton said they were "disappointed" with the ruling but have accepted the verdict and will review the FA's written reasons, which are set to be published on Thursday.   so they just reject our appeal and we don't get to see the reason until a day after-- another joke---

Oumar actually come across as a nice bloke-honest humble bloke, from the games i have witnessed, even when he has fouled an opposition player, he goes over and see'e if the are ok-----unlike a lot of those other dirty fuckers----


also like to add once this was getting looked into he had no chance to begin with-   commentry on the game- explayers- pundits- motd- gillette-Soccer-) Talksport & Co all condemned him----not one said their was contact and therefore he was entitled to go down-

so these so called panel on the FA will have already made up their mind-  you could not get away from the incident all weekend-   there was never going to be any impartiallity , he was guiltY before they looked at it.

for me as stated above the blatant dive no contact act,  is what should be erradicated from the game,  and is more trying to con the ref-  than when actual contact is made and you go down easily.

RANT OVER...


 
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Major Clanger on November 23, 2017, 12:56:36 AM
Do you think Dann did anything that could be construed as a foul there? I do think Niasse when down on purpose, but I think he thought he'd be fouled (and the chance was disappearing) so he was asking the question as players know they don't get anything for a foul by staying on their feet.

As a defender, I'd hate to see those given as a foul. I however agree with you that it's wrong that you don't get a penalty even if you're stabbed in the face, unless you fall over. That refereeing practice is one of the main reasons of overacting on contact and must stop.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Major Clanger on November 23, 2017, 01:00:18 AM
I actually donít think itís a dive to be honest. Heís gone down easily but there was clear contact and Dan made no attempt for the ball. Itís a grey area at best and certainly not a retrospectively punishable offence

Fair enough, I think he clearly throws himself to the ground as soon as he senses contact, and for me that's a dive. (But at the same time you can get a legitimate penalty without a contact, at least according to the rules you should be able to.)
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Django on November 23, 2017, 01:03:27 AM
He's missing the fact that he can't wax lyrical as much about his god, Steven Gerrard. now that slippy is no longer playing.

Slippy la, never seen anyone as bereft of personality be on the tele as much as he is.

Another little cockroach under the fridge that is the country's media
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Django on November 23, 2017, 01:05:11 AM
Fair enough, I think he clearly throws himself to the ground as soon as he senses contact, and for me that's a dive. (But at the same time you can get a legitimate penalty without a contact, at least according to the rules you should be able to.)

Just think the entire situation is infuriating. Trust the Ev to end up being the scapegoat for the first retrospective diving ban.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: gizzblue on November 23, 2017, 01:05:11 AM
So if Jags steps across Eden Hazard ,Ally,Sanchez this year and they dive ...what happens aside a Jags red card and pen?.

Fucking nothing ...guaranteed.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Ell Capitan on November 23, 2017, 01:39:41 AM
Is it me or does this comment from Unsworth make no sense? Surely this ruling is saying contact is OK as in this case there was contact and it was ruled not a foul.

"I think it's a great rule but it doesn't change my stance on if there's contact anywhere on the pitch - slight or not, contact is contact," said Unsworth.

"We don't want contact taken out the game. Slowly but surely it has started."
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: chang on November 23, 2017, 01:48:06 AM
Can't make my mind up if this puts more or less pressure on the match officials.

For live games they could save a few quid, not bother with officials and just let the pundits ref the game from their hutch.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Risky on November 23, 2017, 02:02:54 AM
Is it me or does this comment from Unsworth make no sense? Surely this ruling is saying contact is OK as in this case there was contact and it was ruled not a foul.

"I think it's a great rule but it doesn't change my stance on if there's contact anywhere on the pitch - slight or not, contact is contact," said Unsworth.

"We don't want contact taken out the game. Slowly but surely it has started."

Yeah I thought that, it's like he got confused and came out with a cliche that didn't really make sense in the context.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: hill135 on November 23, 2017, 02:17:43 AM
nothing worse than the tyranny of Shearer's cliche: 'there was contact' or 'contact = foul'.

It's not about whether there is 'contact', but whether or not there was enough to impede the player. T
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: blueToffee on November 23, 2017, 02:20:33 AM
Is it me or does this comment from Unsworth make no sense? Surely this ruling is saying contact is OK as in this case there was contact and it was ruled not a foul.

"I think it's a great rule but it doesn't change my stance on if there's contact anywhere on the pitch - slight or not, contact is contact," said Unsworth.

"We don't want contact taken out the game. Slowly but surely it has started."

His comments made no sense to me.

Kinda disappointing rebuttal if I'm honest.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 23, 2017, 02:39:00 AM
nothing worse than the tyranny of Shearer's cliche: 'there was contact' or 'contact = foul'.

It's not about whether there is 'contact', but whether or not there was enough to impede the player. T

See this is where it becomes difficult. Surely all contact impedes to some degree. So really the rule is you're allowed to impede by foul means but not too much. You're allowed to knock someone a little off balance but not over
Maybe football needs to be a non contact sport in terms of foul play. He's touched him (fouled him) but not enough for him to go down just seems like a nonsense to me.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Major Clanger on November 23, 2017, 03:07:30 AM
nothing worse than the tyranny of Shearer's cliche: 'there was contact' or 'contact = foul'.

It's not about whether there is 'contact', but whether or not there was enough to impede the player. T

It's not even that, it's whether an attempt has been made. So if you try to trip your opponent but he dodges the challenge, that's still a penalty.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Evertonian in NC on November 23, 2017, 03:13:31 AM
It doesn't even make the top 10 list of dives made this SEASON, yet we/Niasse are singled out.  Absolute bullshit.  It was a soft/borderline call that probably shouldn't have gone our way, but I think it would have been harsh to give Niasse a yellow, even. 

There is NO WAY every "dive" of this grade (or greater) by the Sky Five is going to start being punished similarly (live or retroactively), it will be a one-off.  And it is unacceptable for the club just to smile and take it.
Title: Niasse
Post by: ally2 on November 23, 2017, 03:36:57 AM
Doesn't help really that we have some no mark as stand-in manager. Bigger clubs would take this to the cleaners or make threats to pull back on media stuff if media didn't support the club. The manager would be all over the papers saying all sorts to stoke things up even more, just to get an angle. But no we just take it up the arse.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Ridge on November 23, 2017, 03:50:43 AM
If you pull your head out of a challenge with someones boot, it's a foul without contact. If you just lightly clip a players feet when he's running, he'll still likely go down under minimal contact.

Niasse is trying to run through the middle of 2 Palace players, and Dann has obstructed him after the ball has gone past him. When you've been hit and you are off balance, a players natural reaction is not to carry on running until they hit the floor, everybody braces or prepares for the fall.

Smaller players are more likely to get these decisions, but it doesn't take a lot to unbalance. If it's a player on the floor, then you'd be expected to avoid as player on the floor doesn't necessarily now much about it. But if a player leaves a leg stuck out across a players path or barges you as you get there, he's trying to foul and gain an advantage from contact.

Niasse is trying to squeeze through a closing gap, and if it was only Dann, he'd have gone around him. But he didn't initiate contact, Dann knew what he was doing by trying to block him off. It's soft and maybe not a pen, although I think it's a foul pretty much anywhere else on the pitchor if a striker blocked off a defender, so team mate got clear run at goal.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Evertonian in NC on November 23, 2017, 04:06:20 AM
And here's the way I believe a GOOD official handles that - rolls his eyes and tells everyone to get on with play.

Everything in the box doesn't have to be a penalty or a yellow card.  There is a demilitarized zone in between, at least in my book.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: BlueMaquis on November 23, 2017, 04:20:21 AM
So if Niasse was the first player this season officially charged with "successful deception of a match official" .... what about the players rolling around on the grass faking injuries when they've barely been touched? Or are these deceptions not looked at because it's mainly the "big 6" teams doing it?

Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: bacon sarnie on November 23, 2017, 05:51:02 AM
Perhaps just American tinfoil hat stuff here, but do you all suspect Hodgson's residual contacts within the FA played a role here?

Get back in yer bunker, Archie!


 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Confucius on November 23, 2017, 12:20:32 PM
My question is the official calls a dive and gives them a yellow, is it also an automatic 2 game ban?
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: stirlingblue on November 23, 2017, 01:12:13 PM
Stupid decision.

That being said, I'm guessing that it got pulled up because it was to win a penalty rather than because it was the worst dive this season
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Bluedylan on November 23, 2017, 02:12:52 PM
Doesn't help really that we have some no mark as stand-in manager. Bigger clubs would take this to the cleaners or make threats to pull back on media stuff if media didn't support the club. The manager would be all over the papers saying all sorts to stoke things up even more, just to get an angle. But no we just take it up the arse.

Wouldn't matter who was manager. They're not going to rescind the first ban they've given out.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: ally2 on November 23, 2017, 02:15:04 PM
It was a dive but there are so many reasons why this decision is wrong. It's so dumb.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Morta75 on November 23, 2017, 02:15:34 PM
He works hard. When working hard and running channels sometime during a match ypu will get chances to score as a striker. Niasse is doing this very well at the moment. As long as he scores goals keep him up front.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Morta75 on November 23, 2017, 02:20:35 PM
My question is the official calls a dive and gives them a yellow, is it also an automatic 2 game ban?
This is sometning I also are woundering about... Is the same rule on referees if they make a bad desicion that will affect the other team and result in the match? Can they be suspended just like a player... I would really hope so.
Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on November 23, 2017, 03:26:51 PM
We know that top 4 or 5 teams won't have this issue.

When this is reviewed at the end of the season, it really wouldn't surprise me if most of the players that get away with it are from the top 4 or 5.
I also think most of the people charged/suspended  will be black.

Title: Re: Niasse
Post by: 74Blue on November 23, 2017, 03:27:32 PM
I think that the club have been a little weak in just accepting the punishment if I'm honest. I think that they should have made a real fuss about it and carried on fighting. There was contact and Niasse went down. Whilst he may have gone down easily, Dann's intention was to impede the player, which is a foul.
I Don't understand the idea that if It's anywhere else on the pitch, It's a foul but if It's in the box, It's soft. A foul is a foul. Niasse wasn't screaming for the penalty to be awarded.
I think at the very least, the club should have questioned the ruling, based upon numerous incidents already this season that have gone unpunished, and put real pressure on the FA to explain why. It may not change the decision, but it at least plants the seed that the FA are corrupt as fuck and bend over backwards to ensure that the top 6 get away with fucking murder.