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Title: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: Gash on November 06, 2017, 05:48:16 AM
Disappointed in Schneiderlin, I'm a big fan but he's been shite and if his attiude in training is poor as well then he needs to have a word with himself. I'm sure there was stories at Southampton of a questionable attitude as well?

Mirallas can fuck off though, this is a recurring problem, he's had fallouts with every manager since he's been here and probably a few team mates as well. He's not done enough over the last couple of years to have an ego, his attitude's been rotten for a while now.
Title: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: toshyboy on November 06, 2017, 05:48:25 AM
.. from training apparently for lack of effort

http://www.skysports.com/share/11115901
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: Brownie20 on November 06, 2017, 05:52:54 AM
Disappointed in Schneiderlin, I'm a big fan but he's been shite and if his attiude in training is poor as well then he needs to have a word with himself. I'm sure there was stories at Southampton of a questionable attitude as well?

Mirallas can fuck off though, this is a recurring problem, he's had fallouts with every manager since he's been here and probably a few team mates as well. He's not done enough over the last couple of years to have an ego, his attitude's been rotten for a while now.

Same here mate. I hope Morgan sorts himself out and we see the player that came in January. Mirallas has been dead to me for a long time
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: Tinga on November 06, 2017, 05:59:23 AM
Shame about Schneiderlin, really liked him when he first came.
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: Heisenberg on November 06, 2017, 06:00:15 AM
Mirralas is a waste of space. I'm not even being dramatic but if he even half of the desire of someone like niasse he'd have been one of the better players in prem history. All the technical ability but a horrid stinking attitude. Should have got rid years ago
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: Bob Sacamano on November 06, 2017, 06:05:22 AM
Being sent home from training finally makes Mirallas useless enough to officially be labeled as completely useless.
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: Heisenberg on November 06, 2017, 06:10:12 AM
The thing I noticed with Koeman was that although he was this no nonsense type who took no messing. It was never to his favoured players. Schniderline and martina were immune to it. Can't imagine Morgan taking well to it either, can see him leaving in Jan. I won't be gutted about that
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: brap2 on November 06, 2017, 06:16:11 AM
Honestly, upgrades are needed in both areas anyway. Even if Morgan turned it around - suspect mentality cannot be allowed in the middle of the pitch.
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Post by: GrantyBoy78 on November 06, 2017, 06:29:29 AM
Drama we donít need
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: kramer0 on November 06, 2017, 06:38:12 AM
I'm shocked at how quickly things have flipped for Schneiderlin here. I thought he would be our most reliable player this season given his safe but super-accurate passing, strong positional sense, and the fact that our midfield looked lost without him in the second half of last season. There's absolutely no defending him, though. He looked totally off the pace in pre-season, he's regularly been hiding from the ball in situations where we really need him to get a hold of it, and now he's quit on his teammates. I agree with the general sentiment of giving players second chances but that's going to be a hard sell for the rest of the squad. They needed him during this stretch, especially today, and he was nowhere to be found. I don't think there's a way back from that. It stings that little bit extra because he's a Champions League quality defensive midfielder when he's bothered. Hopefully, we can sell him to a decent club abroad and recoup at least half of what we paid.

Mirallas has made no secret about wanting out and he should finally get his move on the back of this. That new contract didn't work for either side. I'm not sure why we offered it or why he signed it.
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: blargins on November 06, 2017, 07:14:03 AM
Heís a cheese eating surrender monkey.

I get the cheese eating part though. Cheese is awesome.
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: bluenuck on November 06, 2017, 09:44:29 AM
Heís a cheese eating surrender monkey.

I get the cheese eating part though. Cheese is awesome.

Ah, I love the British. You guys never let anyone off the hook. Even if it was ~75 years ago. Lol
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: Bwana on November 06, 2017, 11:39:10 AM
Ah, I love the British. You guys never let anyone off the hook. Even if it was ~75 years ago. Lol

Yeah. And what about that fucker Mirallas? He's Belgian. Those guys already did let Napoleon wander around their country and it took Wellington to chase him outta there. Not even mentioning Adolf's posse...

They have good chocolate and beer though.
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: Bluedylan on November 06, 2017, 11:49:53 AM
There's still a way back for Morgan imo. Kev can fuck right off though.
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Post by: bluenuck on November 06, 2017, 11:50:11 AM
Yeah. And what about that fucker Mirallas? He's Belgian. Those guys already did let Napoleon wander around their country and it took Wellington to chase him outta there. Not even mentioning Adolf's posse...

They have good chocolate and beer though.

Funny thing, I'm actually related to the dukes of Wellington. Either my grandma is lying to me or it's actually true. I've never actually dug around to see if it is.
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Post by: BlueBeagle on November 06, 2017, 12:34:49 PM
Got to be more to Schniderlins transformation from player to a pile of dog shite in the space of a few months.

And then to not pull your weight in training to try and sort yourself out to the point of being told to get out of training by the (caretaker) manager?l
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on November 06, 2017, 01:09:39 PM
Rather play Beni than Morgan.
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: bluenuck on November 06, 2017, 01:15:34 PM
Rather play Beni than Morgan.

Let's not get carried away. Morgan is a good player on his day. We can use him. We gotta get his head right. Beni has potential, but we need players in their prime playing well right now.
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: Brownie20 on November 06, 2017, 01:20:28 PM
Funny thing, I'm actually related to the dukes of Wellington. Either my grandma is lying to me or it's actually true. I've never actually dug around to see if it is.

She means the pub in Cardiff City Centre
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: bluenuck on November 06, 2017, 01:22:47 PM
She means the pub in Cardiff City Centre

Where's Cardiff? ;)
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: therealdunc on November 06, 2017, 01:35:15 PM
Schneiderlin isnít that good , time to be honest about our players
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: brap2 on November 06, 2017, 02:14:26 PM
Thought he was a good buy at the time, thought he was superb at Southampton but he just doesnít seem to want it at the minute. Canít afford so many ball shy CMís at the club.
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: Bigjmill on November 06, 2017, 02:18:17 PM
Schneiderlin acting the way he is doing is the only reason we actually do miss Barry.
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: 74Blue on November 06, 2017, 02:18:51 PM
When you are struggling at the wrong end of the table, you need players who will roll up their sleeves and go to war. Would you put your faith in Mirallas or Schniederlin to do that?
In the position that we are currently in, struggling to get results, Niasse is ten times the player that Mirallas will ever be. Despite his limitations as a footballer, you can pretty much guarantee that he would run through walls to score goals and would crawl over broken glass just to play. That is the sort of attitude that pulls a team out of trouble. That is the sort of character we need right now, not half arsed prima donnas.
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: Lxxx on November 06, 2017, 02:20:24 PM
There's still a way back for Morgan imo. Kev can fuck right off though.

Wouldnít be arsed if we didnít see Morgan again in a shirt. Apart from a decent run of half a dozen games when he signed heís flattered to deceive for me.

If we can recoup £20m Iíd hope Walsh can sign someone who is mentally tough enough to play the position.
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: Hawkandro on November 06, 2017, 02:20:58 PM
Wonder if MS's issues stem from Koeman going?

Was made up when we signed him, but he can be sold in January for all I care now. Utterly useless this season. Mate in work is a Utd season ticket holder and said exactly the same thing; was made up originally, then realised quickly it wasn't working out.

Maybe Southampton just got lucky with him.
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: Macca77 on November 06, 2017, 02:23:41 PM
Get rid of both in January, pair of shithouses
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on November 06, 2017, 02:26:50 PM
Typical of the modern footballer; thinks heís too good to be scraping around the bottom of the table yet heís complicit in us being down there.
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: Polledreng on November 06, 2017, 02:28:32 PM
Get rid of both in January, pair of shithouses
Spot on mate. There attitude is so bad its unbelievable
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: Lxxx on November 06, 2017, 02:32:18 PM
£30m for the pair and move on.
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: AllyBlue14 on November 06, 2017, 02:32:33 PM
Wonder if MS's issues stem from Koeman going?

Was made up when we signed him, but he can be sold in January for all I care now. Utterly useless this season. Mate in work is a Utd season ticket holder and said exactly the same thing; was made up originally, then realised quickly it wasn't working out.

Maybe Southampton just got lucky with him.

Could be to do with Koeman and he can't be arsed putting in a shift for a caretaker U23 coach. Although he was crap while Koeman was here too. Didn't he get married in the summer? Maybe his head is in the clouds with all that still.

Our midfield of Gana, Morgan and Tom looked amazing last season, hard to see why it has all turned so bad so quickly.
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: Hawkandro on November 06, 2017, 02:36:55 PM
Sadly, I think that question could be asked of just about every first team position. Definitely something not right there.
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on November 06, 2017, 02:39:29 PM
To down tools when we are in the shit is pretty much unforgivable.
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: Macca77 on November 06, 2017, 02:41:46 PM
Both of them need to have a look at Niasse and what he's been through since he joined us, treated like absolute shite and just got on with it, didn't moan, just worked hard and is now reaping the awards.

Pair of absolute twats
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: duncandisorderly on November 06, 2017, 02:42:48 PM
I'm a big fan of Mirallas, ability wise. But he's obviously a a knob to work with, he's fallen out with the past 3 managers now. Schnierderlin just seems mentally weak and hides when it's not going well. Both shithouses anyway, get rid of them. Think being mentally weak is a massive problem of our squad in general and has been for years. How many times do we fail to turn up for the big games (derbies etc). If they all had the attitude of Niasse we'd be nowhere near the bottom of the table.
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: Martip on November 06, 2017, 02:43:48 PM
There's still a way back for Morgan imo. Kev can fuck right off as he's been a twat for ages now....morgan needs to big.up his ideas cause he's been a liabity on the pitch and now not trying in training. If it continues chuck him in the reserves.
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: GoodisonPk on November 06, 2017, 02:49:55 PM
I'm a big fan of Mirallas, ability wise. But he's obviously a a knob to work with, he's fallen out with the past 3 managers now. Schnierderlin just seems mentally weak and hides when it's not going well. Both shithouses anyway, get rid of them. Think being mentally weak is a massive problem of our squad in general and has been for years. How many times do we fail to turn up for the big games (derbies etc). If they all had the attitude of Niasse we'd be nowhere near the bottom of the table.

Yes yes and yes
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on November 06, 2017, 02:50:06 PM
To be honest, if any player doesnt put a shift in, in the Blue, then yes, fuck em off home. Im sure if Lennon can put 100% in after being a fringe player and going through what he has gone through in the past, then anyone can. We dont need spoilt fairys we need warriors, so January is going to be very interesting for a lot of players, as we really need to get shut of half our team unless they can demonstrate that they are 100% committed to the cause.

Id sooner have an average player that battles for everything, like a Niasse or Lennon, than have a good player that plays at 75% and blows hot and cold and often cba somtetimes, like Kev or Schneiderlin lately. Big decisions are going to be made soon, so lets hope they move us forward because we WILL get over this blip and we WILL power up the table and people will start to take note again.
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: Brownie20 on November 06, 2017, 02:57:56 PM
Where's Cardiff? ;)

Ask your Gran
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: hill135 on November 06, 2017, 03:23:22 PM
Mirallas is on about his 8th chance now which is about six too many so he really needs fucking off. Plays well about three times a season and a truly terrible attitude.

Schniederlin can also fuck off. Never really been sold on him as his good form when he first signed only really amounted to a handful of games. He's played like an absolute shithouse this season, made James McCarthy look like Pirlo and phoning it in in training is unacceptable. Bun him and get a proper DM who can actually control a game and tackle on his feet.
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: AllyBlue14 on November 06, 2017, 03:35:52 PM
What's happened to McCarthy? Didn't he play at Chelsea?
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: Macca77 on November 06, 2017, 03:38:49 PM
What's happened to McCarthy? Didn't he play at Chelsea?

Yep, did his hamstring in again
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: Hawkandro on November 06, 2017, 03:53:59 PM
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/kevin-mirallas-morgan-schneiderlin-futures-13862606.amp

Should be the end of both at the club.
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: Ross on November 06, 2017, 04:11:16 PM
All very well saying get shut of them but whoís going to buy them given their astronomical wages and poor attitudes?
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Post by: Lxxx on November 06, 2017, 04:11:50 PM
If the Echo is corroborating the stories as well then they should both be fined until they can be bothered to break sweat in training.

There really is something very rotten in the squad and it's the senior pros who seem to be leading it sadly. It needs totally gutting and starting afresh.
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: Lxxx on November 06, 2017, 04:12:58 PM
All very well saying get shut of them but who’s going to buy them given their astronomical wages and poor attitudes?

There's always a ready supply of idiots in the Premier League, especially ones that are struggling and fearing for their place in the league.
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Post by: hill135 on November 06, 2017, 04:13:39 PM
How has it got to this point?

I would say we need an absolute ball buster with strong standing in the game to sort this bunch of fassies out. But we had one of them and he was shite.
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: Ross on November 06, 2017, 04:15:29 PM
There's always a ready supply of idiots in the Premier League, especially ones that are struggling and fearing for their place in the league.

How many clubs can afford to pay the sort of wage Schneiderlin is said to be on?
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Post by: Duncs_a_legend on November 06, 2017, 04:17:07 PM
All very well saying get shut of them but whoís going to buy them given their astronomical wages and poor attitudes?


There will be plenty of takers for both I would think, not just in the UK but also France, Spain etc.

Might not recoup all the money for Schneiderlin, but the way transfers are now I would think you'll still get £20m for him.
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: Lxxx on November 06, 2017, 04:17:32 PM
How many clubs can afford to pay the sort of wage Schneiderlin is said to be on?

We may have to bung him a few quid to make him leave but there will always be someone willing to buy him.
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Post by: dazfrancis on November 06, 2017, 04:18:46 PM
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The pair were sent home from Finch Farm on Saturday after a session being hosted by first team coach Duncan Ferguson.

Both players were showing a perceived lack of commitment and were told by the coach that if they were not going to bother they should both go back inside.

Both men took up the coach on his offer, leading to their dismissal from the training ground.

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Post by: Waltzer on November 06, 2017, 04:20:00 PM
I know that Miralles has had his falling outs with most but Schneiderlin I don't ever recall anything this bad? I don't get how Unsworth was supposed to have all the support of the team yet we have these 2, Vlasic apparently being unhappy has all happened in the space of a few weeks, clearly all isnt well at FF.
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: Ross on November 06, 2017, 04:23:22 PM

There will be plenty of takers for both I would think, not just in the UK but also France, Spain etc.

Might not recoup all the money for Schneiderlin, but the way transfers are now I would think you'll still get £20m for him.
We may have to bung him a few quid to make him leave but there will always be someone willing to buy him.

Iím not convinced itís as easy as youíre both making out. Thereís very few clubs that can afford the sort of wages they earn and thereís even fewer desperate enough to take players on with poor attitudes.
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Post by: Duncs_a_legend on November 06, 2017, 04:25:58 PM
Iím not convinced itís as easy as youíre both making out. Thereís very few clubs that can afford the sort of wages they earn and thereís even fewer desperate enough to take players on with poor attitudes.


Mirallas won't be on that much, both either signed or signed new contracts before the market went crazy this summer.
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Post by: SANA_DR0 on November 06, 2017, 04:31:22 PM
Schneiderlin isnít that good , time to be honest about our players
I was saying he was shit, pre season, and all the games he has played in.He just wants to pass backwards, slowing down our already incredibly slow attacks. Glad he's got a wake up call, not sure how i feel about Mirallas, but if we can play Lookman/Lennon and hopefully Vlasic, then i have no issues with it.
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Post by: brap2 on November 06, 2017, 04:32:02 PM
The little fucking fannies.
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Post by: Lxxx on November 06, 2017, 04:37:58 PM
Last couple of years under Moyes we had a team who wanted to battle, wanted to play and looked like a dressing room to be pretty proud to be in. I know it might seem like a different era but I'm sure that type of mentality is still there within football, you just have to look a little harder to find them and it's not usually in the £100k/week+ bracket.
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: Ross on November 06, 2017, 04:41:10 PM
Mirallas won't be on that much, both either signed or signed new contracts before the market went crazy this summer.

It seems we go through this periodically with Mirallas and nobody ever ponies up the cash to satisfy either the him or the club. I imagine deep down he knows heís onto a good thing here and despite all the tantrums and petulance heís in no hurry to leave while heís got it so good.
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Post by: Goaljira on November 06, 2017, 05:26:49 PM
Ah, I love the British. You guys never let anyone off the hook. Even if it was ~75 years ago. Lol

We're not ones to hold a grudge.  Not like we still celebrate someone failing to blow the king up 412 years ago.....
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Post by: Mick 1995 on November 06, 2017, 05:32:14 PM
Pair have some cajones to walk away frmo Ferguson like.

Well in Unsworth for standing by his coach as well.
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Post by: blargins on November 06, 2017, 05:33:23 PM
I hope they get fined as well.
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Post by: Waltzer on November 06, 2017, 05:35:55 PM
I was saying he was shit, pre season, and all the games he has played in.He just wants to pass backwards, slowing down our already incredibly slow attacks. Glad he's got a wake up call, not sure how i feel about Mirallas, but if we can play Lookman/Lennon and hopefully Vlasic, then i have no issues with it.

I disagree I think he is a very good player, hes just being asked to do things that arent in his makeup. He is in there to win the ball and give it easy to players more creatively capable, admittedly he isnt doing the winning the ball very well at the moment, but I do think his decent.
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Post by: Cereal Killer on November 06, 2017, 06:01:05 PM
Iím not convinced itís as easy as youíre both making out. Thereís very few clubs that can afford the sort of wages they earn and thereís even fewer desperate enough to take players on with poor attitudes.

And then we remember there's West Ham  :woohoo:
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: Lxxx on November 06, 2017, 06:07:44 PM
I disagree I think he is a very good player, hes just being asked to do things that arent in his makeup. He is in there to win the ball and give it easy to players more creatively capable, admittedly he isnt doing the winning the ball very well at the moment, but I do think his decent.

What might they be? He's a £24m midfielder, seasoned international. Sorry if we ask a little more of him than to pick the ball up off Keane and pass it to Kenny or Baines.
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Post by: Waltzer on November 06, 2017, 06:14:48 PM
What might they be? He's a £24m midfielder, seasoned international. Sorry if we ask a little more of him than to pick the ball up off Keane and pass it to Kenny or Baines.

You can ask for what and its not unreasonable. When I went to the Burnely game Scheiderlin spent most of his time with his hands out looking for forward balls so I dont think hes adverse to it, I just think we have too many shying away and not taking responsibility meaning he is forced to do things outside of his remit, or to play in short to Baines or Kenny
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Post by: Lxxx on November 06, 2017, 06:16:16 PM
You can ask for what and its not unreasonable. When I went to the Burnely game Scheiderlin spent most of his time with his hands out looking for forward balls so I dont think hes adverse to it, I just think we have too many shying away and not taking responsibility meaning he is forced to do things outside of his remit, or to play in short to Baines or Kenny

Like....?
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Post by: Waltzer on November 06, 2017, 06:19:03 PM
Like....?


Like being a more creative player, setting up attacks etc. Dont get me wrong he has got his limitations, I just think in a team thats playing well, well balanced he would be a crucial part of that jigsaw
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: Lxxx on November 06, 2017, 06:26:25 PM

Like being a more creative player, setting up attacks etc. Dont get me wrong he has got his limitations, I just think in a team thats playing well, well balanced he would be a crucial part of that jigsaw

But he doesn't even do what his 'remit' is though. He's in the side to provide cover for the centre halves and add stability to the centre of the field yet teams walk through us with ease. He has no physical presence, takes no responsibility and just looks really weak mentally. The most over-rated player in the squad in my opinion.
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: blargins on November 06, 2017, 06:27:36 PM
And then we remember there's West Ham  :woohoo:

Koeman takes over at West Ham and buys...
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: Waltzer on November 06, 2017, 06:28:47 PM
But he doesn't even do what his 'remit' is though. He's in the side to provide cover for the centre halves and add stability to the centre of the field yet teams walk through us with ease. He has no physical presence, takes no responsibility and just looks really weak mentally. The most over-rated player in the squad in my opinion.

I know thats why I said he isnt doing it very well at the moment, but he isnt the only one not doing their job to the required standard. I was just stating that I dont think we should through the baby out with the bath water with regards to Scheiderlin as I think hes still a decent player and will come good
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: Waltzer on November 06, 2017, 06:29:31 PM
Koeman takes over at West Ham and buys...

I honestly dont know why they wouldnt be all over him, have him everyday of the week over Moyes
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Post by: toffee_scot on November 06, 2017, 06:31:20 PM
I've been quite patient and given Mirallas the benefit of the doubt on a few occasions but if he really is causing problems then we should get rid ASAP in January.

Schneiderlin's been very disappointing this season, what happened to the player that came in and made a good impression in the 2nd half of last season? I guess his main motivation for coming here was to work with Koeman again and now that he's gone then he is struggling to adapt to new management. Didn't he have issues with Mourinho at Man Utd as well?
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Post by: blargins on November 06, 2017, 06:32:18 PM
I honestly dont know why they wouldnt be all over him, have him everyday of the week over Moyes

Indeed. They have a reasonably balanced squad in comparison to us. He'll be able to do more. Until he makes them unbalanced in January or next summer...
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: Waltzer on November 06, 2017, 06:35:01 PM
I've been quite patient and given Mirallas the benefit of the doubt on a few occasions but if he really is causing problems then we should get rid ASAP in January.

Schneiderlin's been very disappointing this season, what happened to the player that came in and made a good impression in the 2nd half of last season? I guess his main motivation for coming here was to work with Koeman again and now that he's gone then he is struggling to adapt to new management. Didn't he have issues with Mourinho at Man Utd as well?

Think there were frustrations at not playing but you'd expect that, Jose was complimentary about him and didnt want him to leave
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: bigac on November 06, 2017, 06:53:27 PM
"No lockers for you two lazy pair of wankers. From now on you'll be bringing your kit in an Asda bag!"
"Niasse my good man, you get Koeman's locker."

..Says Unsworth.
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: Bluenose 91 on November 06, 2017, 07:29:28 PM
I've never disliked an Everton player more than I do Kevin Mirallas.

One useless shit little bog eyed cunt picking up his 50k a week and kicking off whenever he gets dropped despite the fact he hasn't had a good game for about three years.

I'd honestly just take the hit and terminate his contract just to get him out of the club.

Schneiderlins a tit as well.
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: everton1952 on November 06, 2017, 08:06:27 PM
Schneiderlin came with Mourinho's good wishes ringing in his ears along with praise for his ability and good attitude. Where it went wrong I do not know. From his point of view the best thing would be a new manager and start all over again. Same with the much maligned Mirallas.
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: TheTone on November 06, 2017, 08:10:32 PM
Schneiderlin came with Mourinho's good wishes ringing in his ears along with praise for his ability and good attitude. Where it went wrong I do not know. From his point of view the best thing would be a new manager and start all over again. Same with the much maligned Mirallas.

nah
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: Cozzie on November 06, 2017, 08:13:06 PM
Schneiderlin was great when he came in last season, think it is just an attitude problem, same with Kev.

Moyes will sign Mirallas in Jan though when he takes over at West Ham, so no worries.

Still feel with a new manager Schneiderlin can turn it around and find his form.
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: Major Clanger on November 06, 2017, 08:19:44 PM
Schneiderlin was utter dogshit under Koeman this season. It's not like his sacking brought on a dip in form.
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: Bluenose 91 on November 06, 2017, 08:28:03 PM
Schneiderlin was very good last season though and I'd be willing to give him another chance.

Mirallas should never play for us again.
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: Lxxx on November 06, 2017, 08:29:56 PM
Schneiderlin was utter dogshit under Koeman this season. It's not like his sacking brought on a dip in form.

He played nine games from January to March when he started brightly then picked up a calf injury which turned into a succession of niggly injuries and then it all went tits up from there. He's been poor a lot longer than he's been decent. In fact for £24m it's been a proper waste of money truth be told.
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: Thornton_19 on November 06, 2017, 09:12:33 PM
I honestly don't care about how good a player they are. I'd fuck both them off.
Disrespecting the club and the staff in such a way, with a game the day after.

Put them both in the bin.
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: robd on November 06, 2017, 09:29:48 PM
I reckon that the new players coming in got a better deal than Schneiderlin got last January. Now has thrown a strop thinking he should be on the same wages as Pickford, Keane, Sigurdsson ETC.
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: Jimmywhack on November 06, 2017, 09:35:44 PM
Disappointed in Schneiderlin. It all looked so promising
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: Lxxx on November 06, 2017, 09:59:24 PM
I reckon that the new players coming in got a better deal than Schneiderlin got last January. Now has thrown a strop thinking he should be on the same wages as Pickford, Keane, Sigurdsson ETC.

Might well be something in that. Whilst he'll be on a very decent wage he'll be behind the new incomings. I suppose the way you go about it normally is to earn a payrise though.
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: Macca77 on November 06, 2017, 11:13:46 PM
https://twitter.com/SchneiderlinMo4/status/927580624965328896
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: sirblue57 on November 06, 2017, 11:21:25 PM
Hmm
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: bluenuck on November 06, 2017, 11:25:17 PM
He may have just got into it with Big Dunc, or whoever, and was told to go inside to cool off... These things do happen, especially when you're losing.

Doesn't explain not being in the squad yesterday though
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: kramer0 on November 06, 2017, 11:32:06 PM
We definitely have a role for him if he wants it.

Starts with demanding the ball when he's on the pitch. Anyone with eyes can see that, in purely technical terms, he's a great passer. Go on and make the most of that.
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: therealdunc on November 06, 2017, 11:40:51 PM
The main complaint about Schneiderlin at United and even Southampton was his slow decision making and generally slowed the ball down.

The same is true of his time at Everton
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: Deano Blue Boy on November 06, 2017, 11:40:57 PM
Didn't Big Dunc get sent home from training under Moyes?
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on November 06, 2017, 11:43:04 PM
Just playing devilís advocate for a second... this could well be on Unsworth to an extent. We all agree Morgan was a massive dick getting sent off against Lyon. He gave the ball away and then booted someone up in the air which was obviously very unprofessional. I can imagine DU was less then impressed and if one of the u23s has done it, heíd have dropped them and gave them a right bollocking. Thatís the difference between managing kids and senior players though. You give the player a bollocking but it ends there. Modern footballers are entitled twats, if you take the high-ground and start dropping players for every indiscretion, theyíll run you out of the club (see Ranieri and Mourinho). Iím not saying itís right but you have to be tactful when dealing with players who have the power rather than kids who kiss your arse and are just grateful to be there.
Obviously you donít want players taking the piss but no club has a squad of 25 Dave Hicksons who would die for the shirt, itís just not like that anymore.
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: Thornton_19 on November 06, 2017, 11:47:05 PM
It speaks volumes that the only Everton player who liked his statement on instagram was Mirallas.

Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: velimski on November 06, 2017, 11:50:26 PM
Apologies if this has already been mentioned but perhaps Mirallas could well get his dream move to West Ham in January if Moyes takes over like expected.

Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: D15TIN on November 06, 2017, 11:50:49 PM
Definitely a recurring theme from Mirallas, 3 managers now not fancied him, needs selling/loaning out in Jan, Moyes & West Ham will no doubt take him.
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: Jacko4468 on November 07, 2017, 12:06:48 AM
I saw on Everton Watford thread that someone had heard from a source that  Unsworth asked them to throw their bibs down n fuck
Off if they werenít up for the scrap, Schneiderlin and mirallas threw their bibs down n left
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: Jacko4468 on November 07, 2017, 12:10:41 AM
Apparently it was said yesterday in training that whoever isnít up for a battle throw your bibs in and fuck off.
MS and KM threw in.

Not sure how reliable that is.
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: bacon sarnie on November 07, 2017, 12:13:22 AM
Didn't Big Dunc get sent home from training under Moyes?

Not fair. David has his hands full at West Ham now and the Sunderland gig must still be fresh in mind.

Good thing KM & MS don't play in the NHL like.
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: brap2 on November 07, 2017, 12:43:11 AM
The echo standing by the story, in my opinion means the echo story is the clubís unofficial stance on what happened.

Whether it means it happened or not I donít know, but thatís what the club want us to understand happened.
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: AllyBlue14 on November 07, 2017, 12:43:35 AM
Says in one of the replies that apparently Unsworth runs this thing where injured kids can run 20 minutes of training to get experience of coaching. These 2 didn't fancy this apparently and went off to do the cross bar challenge.
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: everton1952 on November 07, 2017, 12:50:52 AM
Schneiderlin denies it. Who is the liar? The media or? 
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: brap2 on November 07, 2017, 12:51:16 AM
On one hand - if they donít fancy it, fuck off 100% behind unsworth.

On the other hand, what the fuck are you doing letting Ďinjured kidsí take training the day before what youíve called a ďcup finalĒ ??
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: bluenuck on November 07, 2017, 12:55:51 AM
From GOT.

Take it for what it is...

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DN86qh_V4AI8B6X.jpg:large)

Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: everton1952 on November 07, 2017, 12:57:41 AM
Believe who you like. I won't join any lynch squad.
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: boothill on November 07, 2017, 01:46:39 AM
Drain the swamp, fake players
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: Lxxx on November 07, 2017, 02:46:13 AM
What the fuck was allowed to go on under Koemanís watch? Buying players with attitude problems, giving new contracts to existing ones...morale clearly going down the toilet....the most unbalanced squad in recent memory...
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: The Analog Kid on November 07, 2017, 02:47:39 AM
What the fuck was allowed to go on under Koemanís watch? Buying players with attitude problems, giving new contracts to existing ones...morale clearly going down the toilet....the most unbalanced squad in recent memory...

Mirallas had form for it under Moyes and Martinez though didnít he.
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: Ell Capitan on November 07, 2017, 03:05:53 AM
Two sides to every story init lads.

Let's just see how this one plays out before whipping out the pitchforks yeah?
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on November 07, 2017, 03:32:45 AM
Two sides to every story init lads.

Let's just see how this one plays out before whipping out the pitchforks yeah?

Nah, burn the witches.
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: eugene on November 07, 2017, 03:52:51 AM
Never liked Mirallas since he fucked of Baines divie
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: blueski on November 07, 2017, 04:04:15 AM
agree on giving Scneiderlin a chance to make it right but with Mirallas (a player I like) you have to face facts - 3 different managers and fell out with all of them. that's not just a one off mistake... needs to go ASAP
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: ally2 on November 07, 2017, 04:10:44 AM
Two sides to every story init lads.

Let's just see how this one plays out before whipping out the pitchforks yeah?

Bit late for that!
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: Escla on November 07, 2017, 04:44:24 AM
Does anyone actually have any proof that this happened or are you all just getting your knickers in a twist based on gossip/rumour ?
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: Gash on November 07, 2017, 04:49:58 AM
Does anyone actually have any proof that this happened or are you all just getting your knickers in a twist based on gossip/rumour ?

It's been widely reported in most of the papers and media. There's probably varying degrees of what happened but I don't think there's any doubt that something pretty poor has happened with the two of them.
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: Lxxx on November 07, 2017, 04:51:44 AM
I bet it took some self restraint for Dunc to not lift the pair off their feet and smash their skulls together.
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: everton1952 on November 07, 2017, 04:53:56 AM
If it is in the papers and on social media they must be guilty so get the rope out. What more proof do you want?
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: BlueMaquis on November 07, 2017, 04:56:47 AM
agree on giving Scneiderlin a chance to make it right but with Mirallas (a player I like) you have to face facts - 3 different managers and fell out with all of them. that's not just a one off mistake... needs to go ASAP

I remember back when Moyes brought him in he expressed concern about him not being able to fit into the league and the way it's played. Looks like he was right.
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: Juanito on November 07, 2017, 05:03:26 AM
I remember back when Moyes brought him in he expressed concern about him not being able to fit into the league and the way it's played. Looks like he was right.

Mirallas was class when he first came here. I remember his performance against Liverpool at Goodison when Suarez fouled him, he was unstoppable. He also turned down Arsenal for us. Shame he didnít do it consistently, as he could have done a job for us up top. Still in the Belgian squad that says he still has it but application and attitude clearly not there.
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: Gash on November 07, 2017, 05:06:51 AM
If it is in the papers and on social media they must be guilty so get the rope out. What more proof do you want?

There's a poster on here who clearly has a contact within the club and mentioned it in the matchday thread before anyone else knew about it. It's quite obvious that something has happened.
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: SANA_DR0 on November 07, 2017, 05:07:35 AM
supposedly it didnt play out like how its been reported..

Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: bluestevie on November 07, 2017, 05:08:30 AM
Believe who you like. I won't join any lynch squad.

You naysay anything though lets be honest


Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: bluenuck on November 07, 2017, 05:26:45 AM
supposedly it didnt play out like how its been reported..

Something happened, no doubt. We will have to wait and see till the next team is announced to see how bad it really was. If Schneiderlin isn't in the squad for the Palace game I will have a feeling what he did must have been pretty bad. Getting fully dropped for 2 games is a pretty harsh message for nothing much happening.

Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: Jamokachi on November 07, 2017, 06:02:46 AM
Training ground bust ups are common place, especially when things aren't going to plan on the pitch. If both get their heads down and work hard then there's no issues. As I said before, everyone should get a clean slate with whoever the new manager turns out to be.
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: Thomas on November 07, 2017, 07:09:24 AM
I don't rate Schenderlin at all and Mirallas is a waste of space.

Fuck them both off. Last thing we need now is people on big wages not pulling their weight who expect us to carry them along. The doors there, close it on your way out lads.
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: Lxxx on November 07, 2017, 01:59:23 PM
Mirallas had form for it under Moyes and Martinez though didnít he.

Thatís what I mean. We gave him a contract extension knowing he was a bad apple.
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: Bob Sacamano on November 07, 2017, 02:06:02 PM
Despite our poor recruitment over the summer, the most underwhelming aspect was Mirallas getting a new deal.
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: Macca77 on November 07, 2017, 02:13:37 PM
Really pissed me off this, if any of us did what these two did and just walked out of our jobs then we would be sacked there and then, but footballers can do whatever the fuck they want, they know they will get a telling off and a fine at worst, its a massive piss take, both should be thrown out of the club immediately
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: Lxxx on November 07, 2017, 02:45:31 PM
Really pissed me off this, if any of us did what these two did and just walked out of our jobs then we would be sacked there and then, but footballers can do whatever the fuck they want, they know they will get a telling off and a fine at worst, its a massive piss take, both should be thrown out of the club immediately
Me or you don't have a registration fee worth millions on our head though. Which is the reason footballers can do whatever they do and clubs have to suck it up instead of binning them there and then.
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: GLewis on November 07, 2017, 02:54:23 PM
Plus, they were offered the chance to go or stay ;)
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: Polledreng on November 07, 2017, 02:56:02 PM
Plus, they were offered the chance to go or stay ;)
Well if big Dunc asked me I knew what to say
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: Bally on November 07, 2017, 02:56:57 PM
Does anyone actually have any proof that this happened or are you all just getting your knickers in a twist based on gossip/rumour ?
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171107/acd7555fd042d17dcebbb08eaf516f50.jpg)
This is doing the rounds on twitter, and is matching up to quite a lot of the other "stories" / "rumours" that are going round.

Not believing any of it me like, something has happened, not sure what and we'll probably never know the full details but there's nothing better for the site than a bit of dirty gossip.
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: GLewis on November 07, 2017, 02:58:54 PM
Whatís the actual deal with the injured kids angle here?

Are they putting on training (non serious) sessions?
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: bigmanbob on November 07, 2017, 03:12:17 PM
The echo reported yesterday that Schneiderlin put something on social media denying anything had happened, they notably closed the piece saying they stand by their accusations
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: Bally on November 07, 2017, 03:16:07 PM
What's the actual deal with the injured kids angle here?

Are they putting on training (non serious) sessions?
Letting the kids hold 20 minutes worth of the session to help then into coaching if the injury is career ending is how I read it.
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: Lxxx on November 07, 2017, 03:18:37 PM
Whatís the actual deal with the injured kids angle here?

Are they putting on training (non serious) sessions?
Yeh didn't quite get that myself.
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: Lxxx on November 07, 2017, 03:20:37 PM
Letting the kids hold 20 minutes worth of the session to help then into coaching if the injury is career ending is how I read it.

If it really is a token gesture of goodwill by the club to boost some young kids morale then I would imagine Dunc would have been tempted to drag them both over by their throats if everyone would agree to look the other way.
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: hill135 on November 07, 2017, 03:29:30 PM
Not really sure I buy this injured kids coaching session thing. Doesn't really sound appropriate for a team in the shit where every minute on the training ground counts.
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: Bally on November 07, 2017, 03:31:41 PM
If it really is a token gesture of goodwill by the club to boost some young kids morale then I would imagine Dunc would have been tempted to drag them both over by their throats if everyone would agree to look the other way.
Yeah I sort of get that image too.

Either way, if they have refused to train they need a fucking slap.

TBH if this coaching thing is an actual thing then surely it's been happening previously and they have been involved in it already, I understand there is a period of instability when a new manager comes in but this is just weird.
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: Bally on November 07, 2017, 03:32:58 PM
Not really sure I buy this injured kids coaching session thing. Doesn't really sound appropriate for a team in the shit where every minute on the training ground counts.
Could do the full session then stay back for 20 minutes for the kids, that's what I'd do anyway, not as if they have anything else on in the day is it.
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: GLewis on November 07, 2017, 03:51:02 PM
Sounds like something that maybe those not in the team doing th Match specific drills might take part in.
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: Lxxx on November 07, 2017, 04:39:57 PM
Not really sure I buy this injured kids coaching session thing. Doesn't really sound appropriate for a team in the shit where every minute on the training ground counts.

I'm sure it's not every day.
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: formerKHL on November 07, 2017, 06:33:59 PM
this story is just endemic of the train of thought on this forum though....

unfortunately most people want to quickly believe bad stories about the club.....even when they are proved to be unfounded....
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: Audrey Horne on November 07, 2017, 06:52:40 PM
I have to restore the truth after some articles in the medias.
I was not excluded of the squad due to a lack of commitment during training this was a manager Decision And I was frustrated as I am fully committed in Everton since arriving in 2012 and I canít accept our actual ranking....I apologize to the president and owner, my team mates and the manager for not being able to cope at that moment with my frustration.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BbMcGYYhnaZ/?hl=en&taken-by=kmirallas11
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: formerKHL on November 07, 2017, 06:59:36 PM
restores my faith in some of the players attitudes...
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: Lxxx on November 07, 2017, 07:36:33 PM
I have to restore the truth after some articles in the medias.
I was not excluded of the squad due to a lack of commitment during training this was a manager Decision And I was frustrated as I am fully committed in Everton since arriving in 2012 and I can’t accept our actual ranking....I apologize to the president and owner, my team mates and the manager for not being able to cope at that moment with my frustration.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BbMcGYYhnaZ/?hl=en&taken-by=kmirallas11

He just sounds like one of those misunderstood nice guys.
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: Macca77 on November 07, 2017, 07:37:50 PM
I forgive you Kevin, love you xx
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: Confucius on November 07, 2017, 07:58:21 PM
If it is in the papers and on social media they must be guilty so get the rope out. What more proof do you want?

So unless you personally witnessed it, it never happened. Are you Donald Trump? Is everything fake news. What's scary is many around the world think like you. Holocaust deniers, trump supporters etc.
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: SANA_DR0 on November 07, 2017, 08:31:42 PM
So unless you personally witnessed it, it never happened. Are you Donald Trump? Is everything fake news. What's scary is many around the world think like you. Holocaust deniers, trump supporters etc.

i think the Everton1952 poster was being sarcastic.

i do agree it didnt go down like how its been played out as, both of the players want to give more to Everton, maybe their saying so to look good to our fans, maybe its more than that. wish we had more info on the initial incident, apart from Ferguson asking them to leave, so they went home ;/
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: everton1952 on November 07, 2017, 08:46:55 PM
It seems to be a current social illness, portrayed endlessly in the media, reputations trashed by sometimes by innuendo or even malice; the constant pursuit of negative news whether politics, sport  or anything else. I stopped watching national TV news a long time ago because of their constant carping on about the downside of every aspect of society.  This comparatively trivial Everton matter is just one small example of it. Put either player on the pitch and judge them on their performances nothing else.
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: Lxxx on November 07, 2017, 09:14:06 PM
For both players to come out with statements suggests someone has had a word in their ear and told them that damage limitation might not be such a bad thing. There's enough in this to suggest something went on though of course no-one knows what, but to dump both from the match day squad and have a local paper adamant in it's sources means there's no smoke without fire.
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: everton1952 on November 07, 2017, 09:42:40 PM
So unless you personally witnessed it, it never happened. Are you Donald Trump? Is everything fake news. What's scary is many around the world think like you. Holocaust deniers, trump supporters etc.
I almost never insult people on this forum but I came close to it in this reply to the above. I will limit my response to saying your last sentence is so far over the top, it is beyond ludicrous. The Holocaust, Trump and stories about EFC are only linked by idiots.
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: ally2 on November 07, 2017, 10:53:09 PM
It seems to be a current social illness, portrayed endlessly in the media, reputations trashed by sometimes by innuendo or even malice; the constant pursuit of negative news whether politics, sport  or anything else.

100% agreed.

I read it on this site all the time. It's all about who's fault it is, who you can blame, who else is to blame, who is wrong, what they should have have done instead, and all finished with a healthy topping of malicious rumour spreading and personal insults. All written by people who haven't the slightest clue what's going on. And all justified because we are all allowed an opinion.
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: Jamokachi on November 08, 2017, 05:24:14 AM
Holocaust deniers, trump supporters etc.

Steady on there cowboy, let's have some perspective eh?
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: Confucius on November 08, 2017, 08:59:17 AM
I almost never insult people on this forum but I came close to it in this reply to the above. I will limit my response to saying your last sentence is so far over the top, it is beyond ludicrous. The Holocaust, Trump and stories about EFC are only linked by idiots.


I am not linking them. Just saying that people who deny news all have screw loose. You seem the type.
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: Confucius on November 08, 2017, 09:00:06 AM
Steady on there cowboy, let's have some perspective eh?

There is a thread for perspective, it ain't this one.
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: bluenuck on November 08, 2017, 10:32:28 AM
100% agreed.

I read it on this site all the time. It's all about who's fault it is, who you can blame, who else is to blame, who is wrong, what they should have have done instead, and all finished with a healthy topping of malicious rumour spreading and personal insults. All written by people who haven't the slightest clue what's going on. And all justified because we are all allowed an opinion.

Sadly, I've really noticed it today/yesterday.

Here I thought this forum was full of pretty level headed Everton fans - and that's why I joined - but today seemed like everyone had their tin foil hats on.
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: brap2 on November 08, 2017, 02:02:21 PM
Whatís the actual deal with the injured kids angle here?

Are they putting on training (non serious) sessions?

Sounds nice like but can we fuck that off for a bit next time weíre in a relegation 6 pointer please yeah
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: brap2 on November 08, 2017, 02:05:35 PM
It seems to be a current social illness, portrayed endlessly in the media, reputations trashed by sometimes by innuendo or even malice; the constant pursuit of negative news whether politics, sport  or anything else. I stopped watching national TV news a long time ago because of their constant carping on about the downside of every aspect of society.  This comparatively trivial Everton matter is just one small example of it. Put either player on the pitch and judge them on their performances nothing else.

Bad news for both if we do that!
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: 74Blue on November 08, 2017, 02:12:41 PM
Sounds nice like but can we fuck that off for a bit next time weíre in a relegation 6 pointer please yeah
Involving some of the youngsters in training is a nice gesture by the club, in assisting them with moving on from the potential glittering football career that they may have had. However, It's more than that. Having these youngsters, who have had their career snatched away is a lesson in humility to the senior players and a reminder that their relatively short career in football is precious, so seize every moment of it. It's about respect for their profession and learning to respect others. Respect has to be a two way street, otherwise it just doesn't work. These youngsters are being given an opportunity to coach people that they have most likely looked up to. Now the roles are slightly reversed and they are coaching their idols. What a confidence booster, and what a way to keep the senior players feet on the ground.
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: brap2 on November 08, 2017, 02:18:56 PM
Involving some of the youngsters in training is a nice gesture by the club, in assisting them with moving on from the potential glittering football career that they may have had. However, It's more than that. Having these youngsters, who have had their career snatched away is a lesson in humility to the senior players and a reminder that their relatively short career in football is precious, so seize every moment of it. It's about respect for their profession and learning to respect others. Respect has to be a two way street, otherwise it just doesn't work. These youngsters are being given an opportunity to coach people that they have most likely looked up to. Now the roles are slightly reversed and they are coaching their idols. What a confidence booster, and what a way to keep the senior players feet on the ground.

Yeah it sounds fantastic, please keep it up everton...but unsworth described that game as a cup final, which is not the time for lovely gestures imo.
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: Toddacelli on November 08, 2017, 02:35:08 PM
Yeah but 20 mins though?

Probably intense training, followed by 20 mins something lighter with the kids, followed by upping the intensity again.

That's how I'd do it and it would fit in perfectly well with training for any game, big or small.

You need changes of pace, mini-breaks, lighter stuff interspersed with the hardcore training or you burn your players out too quickly.

I've faith that a well established top flight European club knows how to run a training session.
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: BlueForYou on November 08, 2017, 03:23:40 PM
Well done, Unsy, you tell 'em - if they're not interested, get out

Start how you mean to go on and if that's Unsy's style of management, let him continue until the end of the season

Bilic asked his players what he did wrong, they told him he wasn't hard/tough enough

No wonder West Ham fans wanted Koeman

With you all the way, Unsy - don't weaken

Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: everton1952 on November 08, 2017, 03:57:56 PM

I am not linking them. Just saying that people who deny news all have screw loose. You seem the type.
You should change your name on this site to "blockhead", then people would be more understanding when you write something stupid.
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: brap2 on November 08, 2017, 06:35:02 PM
Yeah but 20 mins though?

Probably intense training, followed by 20 mins something lighter with the kids, followed by upping the intensity again.

That's how I'd do it and it would fit in perfectly well with training for any game, big or small.

You need changes of pace, mini-breaks, lighter stuff interspersed with the hardcore training or you burn your players out too quickly.

I've faith that a well established top flight European club knows how to run a training session.

I wouldnít trust everton with a toaster and two slices of hovis at the moment mate.
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: BlueForYou on November 08, 2017, 06:44:20 PM
Moyes at West Ham should free up a move for Mirallas in January

As for Schneiderlin, does this show a mentality that prevented him getting game time at United?
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: 74Blue on November 08, 2017, 07:00:58 PM
Yeah it sounds fantastic, please keep it up everton...but unsworth described that game as a cup final, which is not the time for lovely gestures imo.
Hence the reason why It's good to teach humility and respect. The players are reminded how important it is to give their all and not waste a second of their career. They are reminded just what a privilege it is to wear the shirt.
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: BlueForYou on November 08, 2017, 07:15:01 PM
Unsworth is new to it all as a PL manager - talking to the media etc, it will take time for him to become media savvy, in at the deep end

Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: SANA_DR0 on November 08, 2017, 07:37:40 PM
cant see Mirallas leaving anytime soon.
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: Macca77 on November 17, 2017, 05:59:44 PM
https://twitter.com/Everton/status/931486745312546817

https://twitter.com/SchneiderlinMo4/status/931490725296005120
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: cantoffee on November 17, 2017, 06:24:45 PM
Whatever happened (and it must have been something), I'm guessing they have all kissed and made up by now.

Hopefully it wakes Schneiderlin up and shakes him from the absolutely pathetic form he has been in all season.
Title: Re: Mirallas and schneiderlin sent home..
Post by: Waltzer on November 17, 2017, 06:31:19 PM

Hopefully it wakes Schneiderlin up and shakes him from the absolutely pathetic form he has been in all season.

To be fair you could swap his name for pretty much anyone in our squad so far this season