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Title: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Everton News on November 29, 2017, 08:18:46 PM
Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history

The appointment of Sam Allardyce as Everton manager marks a new low point in the history of the club that will leave historians scratching their heads in years to come.

Source: Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history (https://www.nsno.co.uk/everton-news/2017/11/allardyce-appointment-marks-new-low-point-everton-history/)
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 29, 2017, 08:21:41 PM
A new low?? How fucking dramatic
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on November 29, 2017, 08:26:00 PM
Hate seeing things like that on here, brings the site a bit lower down imo.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Simon Paul on November 29, 2017, 08:31:38 PM
it is a low point, and it is new

but do crack on....
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: nsno on November 29, 2017, 08:31:46 PM
Get behind the man and support the club instead of getting on his back. He hasn't even started the job yet and your writing white like this. Typical fucking evertonians.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: sirblue57 on November 29, 2017, 08:32:35 PM
really? after the last 18 months? the transfers, the managers, the talk of ambition, and we end up with allardyce as a panic signing manager, and thats NOT a low?
and bringing in the half witted hobbit? how much more do we have to endure to be lower? bring in carrar-lar as defensive coach? sons of shankley to show us how to cheer and sing?
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 29, 2017, 08:32:45 PM
it is a low point, and it is new

but do crack on....

Firstly it's really not a low point and secondly "a new low" implies a personal best for lowness
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Simon Paul on November 29, 2017, 08:34:20 PM
Firstly it's really not a low point and secondly "a new low" implies a personal best for lowness

you think his appointment is a positive do you?

I'd love to hear how you think this....so please, enlighten the group as to how it is a positive that Everton have come to the point in our history where we need to employ Sam fucking Allardyce as our manager
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 29, 2017, 08:34:27 PM
really? after the last 18 months? the transfers, the managers, the talk of ambition, and we end up with allardyce as a panic signing manager, and thats NOT a low?
and bringing in the half witted hobbit? how much more do we have to endure to be lower? bring in carrar-lar as defensive coach? sons of shankley to show us how to cheer and sing?

Surely the low is the array of shit that's brought us to this panic.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 29, 2017, 08:36:48 PM
you think his appointment is a positive do you?

I'd love to hear how you think this....so please, enlighten the group as to how it is a positive that Everton have come to the point in our history where we need to employ Sam fucking Allardyce as our manager

It's a positive appointment because we've come to this point where we need him. He's not the low it's what's left us fearing relegation that is the low

Let's just give him a fucking chance.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Simon Paul on November 29, 2017, 08:37:03 PM
Surely the low is the array of shit that's brought us to this panic.

oh look, he gets the post but argues with it because he doesn't understand that he gets it

"MARKS a low point" you cretin
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Jimmywhack on November 29, 2017, 08:37:06 PM
A new low?? How fucking dramatic
Is it not?
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Macca77 on November 29, 2017, 08:39:24 PM
you think his appointment is a positive do you?

I'd love to hear how you think this....so please, enlighten the group as to how it is a positive that Everton have come to the point in our history where we need to employ Sam fucking Allardyce as our manager

You tell him gaffer
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: sirblue57 on November 29, 2017, 08:39:59 PM
Get behind the man and support the club instead of getting on his back. He hasn't even started the job yet and your writing white like this. Typical fucking evertonians.
support the club? cheeky fucker, I have supported this club for over 45 years, 45 years of failures, broken dreams and promises, if I feel the club has finally gone to far , I will fucking say so. its a shame the club thinks so fucking little of those that have given so much support to the club. it thinks this is a good thing. I said this a while ago about BK, the fans will get the club they deserve, well you can have it, I feel I deserve a better club than this, a club with ambition, pride and honour.
this is not my Everton, this is not the club I have loved,followed and defended.
this is a club with no ambition, no honour and no fucking idea.  Sir John Moores will be spinning.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: MrWhite on November 29, 2017, 08:40:21 PM
Quote
the lifelong Kopite hobbit of the football world

 lolol lolol lolol lolol

You've got to laugh. Gallows humour may be the only thing that gets us through this.


Surely the low is the array of shit that's brought us to this panic.

No, that was the slippery brown slope we slid down to get to this low.  :'(



Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Simon Paul on November 29, 2017, 08:41:45 PM
Get behind the man and support the club instead of getting on his back. He hasn't even started the job yet and your writing white like this. Typical fucking evertonians.

I've dedicated untold hours of my life to running this site over the last 14 years

In that time I have helped raise over £200k for the Everton Former Players Foundation, I have helped launch several Everton books and was part of creating the Alex Young documentary. 

I have given former players work, put them up in my home, and I have helped Evertonians from around the world meet their heroes.

I am a season ticket holder and a shareholder.

At what point am I allowed to have an opinion?
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 29, 2017, 08:43:23 PM
oh look, he gets the post but argues with it because he doesn't understand that he gets it

"MARKS a low point" you cretin

Oh right so the post isn't an attack on our new manager but on the shambles that went before. Fair enough I totally agree. Let's hope Allardyce can get us out of it
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Captain Sarcasm on November 29, 2017, 08:44:42 PM
Let us not delude ourselves Ladies & Gents, now is not the time for pussyfooting around. We are in a dog fight and we need a manager who is going to come into our club and galvanise the 1st team squad. We need someone who won't take any prisoners, an organiser and a first class exponent of building team spirit.

Goodison Park and the Everton faithful want to see a team rolling up their sleeves and putting in a shift for everyone associated with the club. We are a laughing stock at the moment and the effort is not being put in. We need a manager who can get our players playing for one another and most importantly the faithful who loyally support this great club we love.

As much as many are whinging and crying over Allardyce probably getting the job, I for one think he is exactly the man we need to get us all making Goodison a bear pit of a ground again. I want Allardyce to make us a team of fighters, of grafters and a team that's hard to beat. Not a team that we have right now that rolls over and gives up.

He is the man to take us forward and to build team spirit again. Let's get behind him. ;D
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: sirblue57 on November 29, 2017, 08:46:27 PM
someone said on an earlier thread that he has never had a chance with a big club, and there was reasons for this, but he got the ENGLAND managers job, and totally fucked up after one game in charge.

and we have appointed this mercenary fuckwit, along with the hobbit. and people think this is NOT a low?
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Lazarou on November 29, 2017, 08:46:44 PM
I've dedicated untold hours of my life to running this site over the last 14 years

In that time I have helped raise over £200k for the Everton Former Players Foundation, I have helped launch several Everton books and was part of creating the Alex Young documentary. 

I have given former players work, put them up in my home, and I have helped Evertonians from around the world meet their heroes.

I am a season ticket holder and a shareholder.

At what point am I allowed to have an opinion?

Check & Mate.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Macca77 on November 29, 2017, 08:46:45 PM
Kick his ass Sea Bass
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 29, 2017, 08:47:09 PM
I think the problem is when someone's opinion is passed off as "Everton news" it's not Everton news it's an opinion
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Macca77 on November 29, 2017, 08:47:18 PM
I've dedicated untold hours of my life to running this site over the last 14 years

In that time I have helped raise over £200k for the Everton Former Players Foundation, I have helped launch several Everton books and was part of creating the Alex Young documentary. 

I have given former players work, put them up in my home, and I have helped Evertonians from around the world meet their heroes.

I am a season ticket holder and a shareholder.

At what point am I allowed to have an opinion?

Bad bloo you lad
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Simon Paul on November 29, 2017, 08:47:38 PM
Oh right so the post isn't an attack on our new manager but on the shambles that went before. Fair enough I totally agree. Let's hope Allardyce can get us out of it

might have helpef if you'd read it before taking the dive like
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: nsno on November 29, 2017, 08:47:47 PM
support the club? cheeky fucker, I have supported this club for over 45 years, 45 years of failures, broken dreams and promises, if I feel the club has finally gone to far , I will fucking say so. its a shame the club thinks so fucking little of those that have given so much support to the club. it thinks this is a good thing. I said this a while ago about BK, the fans will get the club they deserve, well you can have it, I feel I deserve a better club than this, a club with ambition, pride and honour.
this is not my Everton, this is not the club I have loved,followed and defended.
this is a club with no ambition, no honour and no fucking idea.  Sir John Moores will be spinning.

45 years of failure?? How many trophies have we won in those 45 years?? 45 years of top flight football and you have broken dreams. Ask a Sheffield Wednesday fan what broken dreams are or a Coventry city fan. We could very easily have been in their position had things gone differently in the 90s.  We dont have any god given right to be successful. If Sam can get us on the right footing over the next 18 months then great. If you feel you deserve better fuck off and support somebody else.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: everton1952 on November 29, 2017, 08:50:48 PM
Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history

The appointment of Sam Allardyce as Everton manager marks a new low point in the history of the club that will leave historians scratching their heads in years to come.

Source: Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history (https://www.nsno.co.uk/everton-news/2017/11/allardyce-appointment-marks-new-low-point-everton-history/)
Which idiot wrote this?
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Cozzie on November 29, 2017, 08:53:28 PM
More worried about Sammy Lee.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: MrWhite on November 29, 2017, 08:54:23 PM
I think the problem is when someone's opinion is passed off as "Everton news" it's not Everton news it's an opinion

Which is the same as all news published online everywhere.

The main difference is Simon is prepared to then discuss his opinion further with the readers, unlike the vast majority of football journalists.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: wepull on November 29, 2017, 08:54:57 PM


Ask a Sheffield Wednesday fan what broken dreams are or a Coventry city fan. We could very easily have been in their position had things gone differently in the 90s. 

Ironical that your username is NSNO.

Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Simon Paul on November 29, 2017, 08:55:03 PM
Which idiot wrote this?

Bring it Penfold
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: everton1952 on November 29, 2017, 08:55:59 PM
Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history

The appointment of Sam Allardyce as Everton manager marks a new low point in the history of the club that will leave historians scratching their heads in years to come.

Source: Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history (https://www.nsno.co.uk/everton-news/2017/11/allardyce-appointment-marks-new-low-point-everton-history/)
Aha ! I get it. It is so badly written it makes it look as if Sam's appointment marks the new low, and not the awfulness that went before. 
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: School of Science on November 29, 2017, 08:56:19 PM
Hopefully it's just for one year and then we pay him off and let him go, yes it is a low but on performances based this year sadly we need a Sam Allardyce type to get us out of this rut, ( Never ever thought I'd say that ). Next year we buy our new big name exotic manager and start again, we can't defend, we can't score enough and we are playing shite football, also half of the players aren't arsed, hopefully Sam can sort that out. Sammy Lee is apparently a decent coach, but it will give me great pleasure when he gets fucked off with Sam next year. The blame for this fucking mess for me lies with Koeman and Walsh for the absolute shambolic way they tried to build a new side this year, totally disjointed, too slow, no striker and an ageing injured defence. But the shouts of we'll boo them, we won't go the game etc are embarrassing, not saying you mate, but Christ some of our fans, we need to first and foremost support the team and stick together, we are in a mess.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Silas on November 29, 2017, 08:56:25 PM
Which idiot wrote this?

His names on the article like.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: toffee_scot on November 29, 2017, 08:56:25 PM
To me it sounds like the club has absolutely no football identity and therefore absolutely no plan for long term football development. This has resulted in an incredibly disjointed and unbalanced squad with no real idea of what kind of football should be implemented.

How the fuck does a football team go from Roberto Martinez's philosophy to Sam fucking Allardyce in the space of 18 months?
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: starblood on November 29, 2017, 08:58:06 PM
I can just about accept Allardyce, but Sammy Lee? That is beyond the pale! Goes to show who is making the decision to appoint because no bona fide, dyed-in-the-wool Evertonian (Kenwright) would allow that man into our midst.

To think I shuddered at the possibility of Martin O'Neill (an infinitely better manager BTW) bringing Roy Keane to Goodison with him. They seem like the dream team now!




Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: sirblue57 on November 29, 2017, 08:58:28 PM
45 years of failure?? How many trophies have we won in those 45 years?? 45 years of top flight football and you have broken dreams. Ask a Sheffield Wednesday fan what broken dreams are or a Coventry city fan. We could very easily have been in their position had things gone differently in the 90s.  We dont have any god given right to be successful. If Sam can get us on the right footing over the next 18 months then great. If you feel you deserve better fuck off and support somebody else.

really? ok highs;
65 league
66 FA cup
70 league
84 FAcup
85 League + CWC
95 FA cup
lows;
watching the shite dominate for over a decade
countless gutless defeats to the shite
 two VERY close relegation escapes
two failed ground moves, although the worst was the KD, still fucking hurts.
walker
smith
kendall mk3

so all in all some good,but the false dawns, broken promises and failures are majority.
and having to see this crook and his cronies soil our club due to gross mismanagement is the final straw. I now believe the club has no ambition, no clue so I will keep my money and my time for those that wil appreciate it.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Evertonian in NC on November 29, 2017, 09:02:50 PM
support the club? cheeky fucker, I have supported this club for over 45 years, 45 years of failures, broken dreams and promises, if I feel the club has finally gone to far , I will fucking say so. its a shame the club thinks so fucking little of those that have given so much support to the club. it thinks this is a good thing. I said this a while ago about BK, the fans will get the club they deserve, well you can have it, I feel I deserve a better club than this, a club with ambition, pride and honour.
this is not my Everton, this is not the club I have loved,followed and defended.
this is a club with no ambition, no honour and no fucking idea.  Sir John Moores will be spinning.

Well said.  You fucking get it.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Macca77 on November 29, 2017, 09:05:54 PM
Anyone wanna fight, im feeling the need to hit something very hard, but not hard enough to break a nail like
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Evertonian in NC on November 29, 2017, 09:06:24 PM
The creatures who live under rocks have won.  Brexit and Trump weren't enough, they had to go and ruin football (or ruin Everton, and for me, that's one and the same), too.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: chang on November 29, 2017, 09:06:42 PM
I think it's how the players react and perform that matters not what any of us thinks or feels. Presumably senior players would of be at least consulted.

I kind of doubt he was appointed to piss off the fan base and at the same time the club would of been very aware of the negativity towards the appointment.

It is of course quite possible given the time that has elapsed that Sam Allardyce was nowhere near the top of the short list, those above saying "no thanks"

As ever in life, time will tell.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Macca77 on November 29, 2017, 09:08:54 PM
Lose a few games when hes takes over and the vultures will start circling, remember how toxic it was under Martinez, that's nothing compared to how it will be soon
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: School of Science on November 29, 2017, 09:08:55 PM
A contract until the end of next season if the commentator on SSN can be believed, there not that much too pay off is there.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: KevtheRat on November 29, 2017, 09:11:05 PM
The creatures who live under rocks have won.  Brexit and Trump weren't enough, they had to go and ruin football (or ruin Everton, and for me, that's one and the same), too.

You've absolutely nailed drama queen of 2017 in the end of year awards you.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Evertonian in NC on November 29, 2017, 09:17:34 PM
yeah, because creatures who live under rocks surely love phrases like "drama queen" which I wear like a badge of honor coming from the Allardyce lemmings.

Rather keep my eyes open as Everton burns, thanks very much.  Safer that way.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: BlueMaquis on November 29, 2017, 09:19:39 PM
This appointment merely continues the trend of reactionary managerial appointments of the last few years. After Martinez (himself appointed on the basis of giving the side some "attacking flair") the board decided we needed a "tough" manager to straighten out the defence and give the team some backbone. When that didn't work, you can envisage Bill & Co turning against "fancy European managers" for our predicament. No, what we needed was a good old fashioned English manager in the vein of Moyes.

It's clear we're not going to see a comprehensive appointment policy from this Board anytime soon. It's always going to be one or two factors taken to the extreme, predicated on either panic or excitement. It's frankly amateurish.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Danny on November 29, 2017, 09:25:24 PM
Martinez and Koeman were shit appointments we just didn't know it at the time, it's be really Everton for the shit appointment to end up being our best manager in years.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on November 29, 2017, 09:26:31 PM
You've absolutely nailed drama queen of 2017 in the end of year awards you.

He's won it so often he got to keep the original trophy....
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Lxxx on November 29, 2017, 09:40:53 PM
Bit of a sensationalist headline. Granted it's not great but a new low? In our history?  Come on.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: TheTone on November 29, 2017, 09:41:13 PM
hoping there isn't a new new low come next May like
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: AllyBlue14 on November 29, 2017, 09:48:41 PM
Maybe don't use this as the opening gambit if you're after an interview with him!
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Bluedylan on November 29, 2017, 09:52:16 PM
Definitely a low point for me. We're now viewing ourselves, and will be viewed externally, as a club in a similar mould as Palace, Newcastle or West Ham for hiring this fella. And we deserve to be viewed that way now, sadly. Wretched.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: D3blue on November 29, 2017, 09:53:33 PM
Sam will do well.  He is definitely the right choice for our current mess. 

I'd say Koeman was the low point. 
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: AllyBlue14 on November 29, 2017, 10:00:25 PM
Definitely a low point for me. We're now viewing ourselves, and will be viewed externally, as a club in a similar mould as Palace, Newcastle or West Ham for hiring this fella. And we deserve to be viewed that way now, sadly. Wretched.

It's the demise that hurts - 3 months ago we were hopeful of closing the gap to the Top 4. The way we're playing now, we'd be doing well to stay 4th from bottom. To then be told we're appointing Sammy Lee is a dagger to the heart.

Still, hopefully this is very much a means to an end. I'm cautiously optimistic and think from the (realistic) options available, we've done what I believe we had to. Hopefully he can turn us around, move us up the league and go into retirement knowing that he laid the foundations for our next bright spark 6/12/18 months down the line.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Jimmywhack on November 29, 2017, 10:01:30 PM
Definitely a low point for me. We're now viewing ourselves, and will be viewed externally, as a club in a similar mould as Palace, Newcastle or West Ham for hiring this fella. And we deserve to be viewed that way now, sadly. Wretched.
It's some fall from grace
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: dax78 on November 29, 2017, 10:04:43 PM
The majority of us creamed our pants when Koeman was appointed, showed ambition, we were going to mix it with the big boys, worried he would leave us for Barcelona.................... ........well that turned out pretty shit.

Allardyce might just surprise a few people, I for one will reserve judgement until he at least takes a training session.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Bluedylan on November 29, 2017, 10:06:44 PM
It's the demise that hurts - 3 months ago we were hopeful of closing the gap to the Top 4. The way we're playing now, we'd be doing well to stay 4th from bottom. To then be told we're appointing Sammy Lee is a dagger to the heart.

Still, hopefully this is very much a means to an end. I'm cautiously optimistic and think from the (realistic) options available, we've done what I believe we had to. Hopefully he can turn us around, move us up the league and go into retirement knowing that he laid the foundations for our next bright spark 6/12/18 months down the line.

Yeah I'm very much in the 'any vaguely competent manager could steer us to mid table without a problem' camp. We don't need to resort to this utter garbage. Desperate. People have been brainwashed and had their expectations lowered so much that they think this desperation is acceptable. It shouldn't be.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: everton1952 on November 29, 2017, 10:09:38 PM
I would like to see Little Sammy kick Mirallas right up in the air if he moans or slacks.  Add a few others as well to boot.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Martip on November 29, 2017, 10:18:26 PM
It's not ideal but I'm happy to give him a chance. We have been so bad lately that he can't be worse than koeman and/or unsworth.

Although not totally inspired I am now confident we 'll stay in the prem which at this point is better than where we were at. Fact of the matter is if a better option comes along we can get rid.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: van der Meyde on November 29, 2017, 10:21:34 PM
Yeah I'm very much in the 'any vaguely competent manager could steer us to mid table without a problem' camp. We don't need to resort to this utter garbage. Desperate. People have been brainwashed and had their expectations lowered so much that they think this desperation is acceptable. It shouldn't be.
I agree, but sad as it sounds they're probably doing the best they can do with the limited knowledge base they have.

Even Fonseca was only in the frame because Moshiri is friendly with Jorge Mendes.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Lxxx on November 29, 2017, 10:38:54 PM
This is the kind of appointment I would have expected after Moyes, very much in keeping with our club at the time. Since then we've finished 5th and 7th, played in Europe twice, flirted with top 4 for a while last season and spent more money than ever in our history. We were moving in the right direction it seemed, away from the old self limiting era, albeit with a few hiccups along the way. It's now feels like we've being tempted by a very fit lady only to get back to hers and for her to pull her cock out.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: domingo on November 29, 2017, 10:39:02 PM

 The appointment of Allardyce sees Everton revert back to a tediously pragmatic anti-entertainment approach to football. Moyes style football was necessary to keep the club in the top flight when we had no resources, but even that was better football than Walter Smith forced upon us, and it is to Smith, I think, we have to return to find the kind of football that Allardyce will seek to play. This is the man that thumped the ball up to Davies, to Carrol, to Benteke. My patience with Koeman really ran out when Everton were linked with a move for Carrol, mainly because I wanted us to play better football than you see in the park on Sunday, but now we have appointed the supreme arbiter of pub football. Never have we been so far away from a positive, entertaining, and enthralling style of play.
 Hopefully this is a short term appointment to be followed in the summer by an individual who will go on to define a skilful and entertaining football for which Everton Football Club will be synonymous with forevermore.
 
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Shropshire Blue on November 29, 2017, 10:43:30 PM
I know this is a bit radical, but I might just try giving him a bit of time before I judge him at Everton.
As I say, it is a bit radical that idea.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: domingo on November 29, 2017, 10:47:19 PM
I think it's fair to judge the style of football he will play on a 25 year career. It might be winning football, but will it be watchable?
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Simon Paul on November 29, 2017, 10:49:50 PM
Maybe don't use this as the opening gambit if you're after an interview with him!

it's my opening statement for when I get to sit down with him

obviously he'll be on a couch - taking up the whole of it - and I'll be in a chair, but I'll feel like it'll be me who needs the counselling session.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Ell Capitan on November 29, 2017, 10:51:42 PM
To me it sounds like the club has absolutely no football identity and therefore absolutely no plan for long term football development. This has resulted in an incredibly disjointed and unbalanced squad with no real idea of what kind of football should be implemented.

How the fuck does a football team go from Roberto Martinez's philosophy to Sam fucking Allardyce in the space of 18 months?

Doesn't really make sense.

Whenever you change a manager it brings a change of style.

Moyes to Martinez is just as big a change as Martinez to Allardyce. In fact probably bigger when you consider the transition via Koeman.

If you're changing manager it's often an admission things haven't gone well. So the last thing you try and do is replicate the precious managers style.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: mikey_blue on November 29, 2017, 10:58:42 PM
Check & Mate.

No real coming back from this one.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: gizzblue on November 29, 2017, 10:59:31 PM
What's done is done ...and of ,those wanting to save their money whinge about something we can do fuck all about go ahead...me '  will dust myself off get behind the team regardless of Fat Sam the fireman or Sammy cunting Lee, Morgan lazy no fight Schneiderlin and couldn't give a shit Gold Bentley bell endralas ....our team and club is bigger than all this shit .

COYB. 💙
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: bogie on November 29, 2017, 10:59:38 PM
you think his appointment is a positive do you?

I'd love to hear how you think this....so please, enlighten the group as to how it is a positive that Everton have come to the point in our history where we need to employ Sam fucking Allardyce as our manager

yes I do
but we could go out and get a manager with 50% winrate in shit leagues and try playing football form the back with the great center backs we have and stay up easy

wake up will you

the OP how sad are you were you sitting all day to get this posted

the only low point I see in this is big duncan staying on in his role
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Ell Capitan on November 29, 2017, 11:00:35 PM
I think it's fair to judge the style of football he will play on a 25 year career. It might be winning football, but will it be watchable?

Was Smith watchable?
Was Moyes early years watchable?
Was Martinez season 2 and 3 watchable?
Was Koeman ever watchable?
Has Unsworth been watchable these last few games?

We've played ugly football for years. Allardyce won't be any worse than what's come before.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: blue1948 on November 29, 2017, 11:02:22 PM
Get behind the man and support the club instead of getting on his back. He hasn't even started the job yet and your writing white like this. Typical fucking evertonians.
Don't like it and you know where the door is !!!
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Simon Paul on November 29, 2017, 11:03:00 PM
yes I do
but we could go out and get a manager with 50% winrate in shit leagues and try playing football form the back with the great center backs we have and stay up easy

wake up will you

the OP how sad are you were you sitting all day to get this posted

the only low point I see in this is big duncan staying on in his role

Allardyce hasn't even got a 50% win ratio though

averages 1.25 points per game....

that'll help us at the moment won't it?
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: domingo on November 29, 2017, 11:03:00 PM

 True, but I was dreaming of more. The excuse for playing bad football was that we didn't have the resources, but now we do. Surely the club should be aiming for more, and I think, too, that the supporters have the right to expect more.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: blue1948 on November 29, 2017, 11:04:08 PM
Surely the low is the array of shit that's brought us to this panic.
No that is the cause
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Ell Capitan on November 29, 2017, 11:04:25 PM
Allardyce hasn't even got a 50% win ratio though

averages 1.25 points per game....

that'll help us at the moment won't it?

What was Martinez PL points per game ratio when he came to us?
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: UnsyisaRhino on November 29, 2017, 11:04:28 PM
I know this is a bit radical, but I might just try giving him a bit of time before I judge him at Everton.
As I say, it is a bit radical that idea.

Far too sensible. Back in the cupboard you go.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Simon Paul on November 29, 2017, 11:07:07 PM
What was Martinez PL points per game ratio when he came to us?

1.16

it was 1.59 at Everton though which brings his average up over his career to much, much better than Fat Sam's

mind you, there's a fucking shit load of other managers to compare him to, so it's strange that you pick one that was never in the running for the job this time
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Macca77 on November 29, 2017, 11:08:07 PM
Win rate less than 40%

Urgh!
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Major Clanger on November 29, 2017, 11:08:53 PM
I hope it's a new low because that implies that what comes after this is better.

Otherwise it isn't a new low, just an arbitrary point on a continuous downhill path.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: MrWhite on November 29, 2017, 11:09:39 PM
Yeah I'm very much in the 'any vaguely competent manager could steer us to mid table without a problem' camp. We don't need to resort to this utter garbage. Desperate. People have been brainwashed and had their expectations lowered so much that they think this desperation is acceptable. It shouldn't be.

Not so long ago the club was talking about the need to change our mentality if we want to win stuff. This feels like we've changed it in the opposite direction.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: domingo on November 29, 2017, 11:09:47 PM
Are there supporters out there that really think Allardyce is going to start aspiring to Brazil '70 football after 20 years of being a pretty solid disciple of hump it ball!?
Perhaps there are supporters that would be happy to watch anything so long as we win, that's their right I guess, but it's not my idea of football.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: blue1948 on November 29, 2017, 11:13:10 PM
I can just about accept Allardyce, but Sammy Lee? That is beyond the pale! Goes to show who is making the decision to appoint because no bona fide, dyed-in-the-wool Evertonian (Kenwright) would allow that man into our midst.

To think I shuddered at the possibility of Martin O'Neill (an infinitely better manager BTW) bringing Roy Keane to Goodison with him. They seem like the dream team now!





there is an argument there but for now I will agree
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Silas on November 29, 2017, 11:13:16 PM
Are there supporters out there that really think Allardyce is going to start aspiring to Brazil '70 football after 20 years of being a pretty solid disciple of hump it ball!?
Perhaps there are supporters that would be happy to watch anything so long as we win, that's their right I guess, but it's not my idea of football.

Everton haven't played consistently attractive football since the 1980's. If you are watching Everton to be entertained then you are always setting yourself up to fail.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Ell Capitan on November 29, 2017, 11:14:45 PM
1.16

it was 1.59 at Everton though which brings his average up over his career to much, much better than Fat Sam's

mind you, there's a fucking shit load of other managers to compare him to, so it's strange that you pick one that was never in the running for the job this time

I picked him because you're a fan of Martinez and the article conveys that. "The excitement of attacking football under Martinez"? Not how I remember it mate.

My point is you are unwilling to give Allardyce a chance because of his points ratio, yet it wasn't a problem with Martinez. There's plenty of reasons to be unhappy with Allardyce, don't get me wrong, but PPG is somewhat arbitrary as it's all relative to the club(s) you were managing.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: domingo on November 29, 2017, 11:14:56 PM
I'm watching Everton because it is my club. There really isn't much choice in it. 
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: bogie on November 29, 2017, 11:15:33 PM
yes I do
but we could go out and get a manager with 50% winrate in shit leagues and try playing football form the back with the great center backs we have and stay up easy

wake up will you

the OP how sad are you were you sitting all day to get this posted

the only low point I see in this is big duncan staying on in his role
Allardyce hasn't even got a 50% win ratio though

averages 1.25 points per game....

that'll help us at the moment won't it?

all his games are in England with smaller clubs and a lot of them so your posting stats there to make you right and look good will only work on someone that has no clue how them stats work

tell me would you have the club pay 15m for a manager that has really done nothing in England yet but take his team down that's a stat

Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: blue1948 on November 29, 2017, 11:15:43 PM
This appointment merely continues the trend of reactionary managerial appointments of the last few years. After Martinez (himself appointed on the basis of giving the side some "attacking flair") the board decided we needed a "tough" manager to straighten out the defence and give the team some backbone. When that didn't work, you can envisage Bill & Co turning against "fancy European managers" for our predicament. No, what we needed was a good old fashioned English manager in the vein of Moyes.

It's clear we're not going to see a comprehensive appointment policy from this Board anytime soon. It's always going to be one or two factors taken to the extreme, predicated on either panic or excitement. It's frankly amateurish.
Bollocks
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Evertonian in NC on November 29, 2017, 11:17:59 PM
I hope it's a new low because that implies that what comes after this is better.

Otherwise it isn't a new low, just an arbitrary point on a continuous downhill path.

It's a new low, because we've forever lost our honour, or any right to claim we have any.  What follows can only be more losing of matches, which is what you get with Fat Sam (you just hope he will lose at a rate that keeps you 16th-17th).

Forever in the history of football, after Allardyce disgraced himself with the England job (which was a laughable appointment to begin with), Everton will be the one and only club to hire him with the absolute, incontrovertible proof that he's bent.

If you don't find that lowest of the low, then I've no use for you.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Lxxx on November 29, 2017, 11:18:14 PM
Watching Allardyce will probably be very much like a Koeman side, only without the maverick talents of Lukaku and Barkley he had last season. Struggle to see how he can turn this bunch into anything other than 7th at best, which is probably what he'll do. If he gets us back there and does a decent job of replacing Jags, Williams and Baines then I think we can all accept that's a good job.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: MrWhite on November 29, 2017, 11:18:36 PM
What was Martinez PL points per game ratio when he came to us?

1.039 in the PL at Wigan.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Gumpinio on November 29, 2017, 11:19:46 PM
How long is his contract?

Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Simon Paul on November 29, 2017, 11:20:56 PM
all his games are in England with smaller clubs and a lot of them so your posting stats there to make you right and look good will only work on someone that has no clue how them stats work

tell me would you have the club pay 15m for a manager that has really done nothing in England yet but take his team down that's a stat



think you need to breathe before you type mate, the question doesn't make any sense at all
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: blue1948 on November 29, 2017, 11:21:04 PM
This is the kind of appointment I would have expected after Moyes, very much in keeping with our club at the time. Since then we've finished 5th and 7th, played in Europe twice, flirted with top 4 for a while last season and spent more money than ever in our history. We were moving in the right direction it seemed, away from the old self limiting era, albeit with a few hiccups along the way. It's now feels like we've being tempted by a very fit lady only to get back to hers and for her to pull her cock out.
Well given the time you have watched Everton and the exchange rate ,you are wrong .We bought almost anything worth having at one time -a bit like City -but the fat lady bit I liked.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: School of Science on November 29, 2017, 11:21:14 PM
Win rate less than 40%

Urgh!

Serious question what was Martinez and Koeman's percentage win rate. Not a fan of Allardyce by any means, but most of the teams he's managed h ave been poor
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: bogie on November 29, 2017, 11:21:17 PM
Watching Allardyce will probably be very much like a Koeman side, only without the maverick talents of Lukaku and Barkley he had last season. Struggle to see how he can turn this bunch into anything other than 7th at best, which is probably what he'll do. If he gets us back there and does a decent job of replacing Jags, Williams and Baines then I think we can all accept that's a good job.

Barkley is still here don't forget
I would be happy with 8th over 7th this season
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Simon Paul on November 29, 2017, 11:22:42 PM
Barkley is still here don't forget
I would be happy with 8th over 7th this season

"Nil Satis Nisi Optimum" there lads
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Robioto on November 29, 2017, 11:23:08 PM
I’m just going to wait and see. We need to win games and I don’t give a fuck who does that.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: 74Blue on November 29, 2017, 11:24:40 PM
Gutted beyond words at this appointment.
Allardyce is a real statement of a club with zero ambition. Appointing Sammy Lee as well is simply criminal.
Really looking forward to seeing which fucking big yard dogs fat Sam brings in in January and watching the most awful brand of route one hoofball. This season's just got even more miserable!
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Silas on November 29, 2017, 11:25:44 PM
I think all we can hope is that this is Allardyce's career peak. It's unlikely but it's not completely impossible
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Lxxx on November 29, 2017, 11:27:38 PM
I think all we can hope is that this is Allardyce's career peak. It's unlikely but it's not completely impossible

At £5m a year it is way way past where he could have ever expected his peak to be.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Major Clanger on November 29, 2017, 11:28:32 PM
It's a new low, because we've forever lost our honour, or any right to claim we have any.  What follows can only be more losing of matches, which is what you get with Fat Sam (you just hope he will lose at a rate that keeps you 16th-17th).

Forever in the history of football, after Allardyce disgraced himself with the England job (which was a laughable appointment to begin with), Everton will be the one and only club to hire him with the absolute, incontrovertible proof that he's bent.

If you don't find that lowest of the low, then I've no use for you.

You don't seem to think like a mathematician :)
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: bogie on November 29, 2017, 11:28:50 PM
think you need to breathe before you type mate, the question doesn't make any sense at all

lol
take you Marco Silva glasses of and read it again then

here I will help you

Watford FC England Watford 16/17 (May 27, 2017)  expected 30.06.2019  Manager 15 1,40
Hull City England Hull City 16/17 (Jan 5, 2017)  16/17 (May 25, 2017)  Manager 22 1,23


Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Silas on November 29, 2017, 11:29:51 PM
At £5m a year it is way way past where he could have ever expected his peak to be.

He's often complained he has been overlooked for bigger jobs, this is his only chance to prove everyone (and that include the majority of us) completely wrong. That's what I am clutching at.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: blue1948 on November 29, 2017, 11:30:32 PM
I know this is a bit radical, but I might just try giving him a bit of time before I judge him at Everton.
As I say, it is a bit radical that idea.
Normally you are the fount of reason on here and now ?You are a radical.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: School of Science on November 29, 2017, 11:30:33 PM
At £5m a year it is way way past where he could have ever expected his peak to be.

It's an 18 month deal it's not beyond the realms of possibility that he'll be paid off in 12 months or even less, he's here for one purpose that's to get us safe.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Simon Paul on November 29, 2017, 11:31:01 PM
lol
take you Marco Silva glasses of and read it again then

here I will help you

Watford FC England Watford 16/17 (May 27, 2017)  expected 30.06.2019  Manager 15 1,40
Hull City England Hull City 16/17 (Jan 5, 2017)  16/17 (May 25, 2017)  Manager 22 1,23




are you drunk?

why are you talking to me about Marco Silva?
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: bogie on November 29, 2017, 11:31:34 PM
"Nil Satis Nisi Optimum" there lads

what
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: bogie on November 29, 2017, 11:34:50 PM
are you drunk?

why are you talking to me about Marco Silva?

well let me see your gutted we signed Sam and the only other manger we were in for was hmm I forget who was it
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: toffee_scot on November 29, 2017, 11:34:55 PM
Definitely a low point for me. We're now viewing ourselves, and will be viewed externally, as a club in a similar mould as Palace, Newcastle or West Ham for hiring this fella. And we deserve to be viewed that way now, sadly. Wretched.

My fear is when it comes to January and we try and convince good players to join us and we try and convince them of Everton's ambition and long term plan...
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: blue1948 on November 29, 2017, 11:35:09 PM
Was Smith watchable?
Was Moyes early years watchable?
Was Martinez season 2 and 3 watchable?
Was Koeman ever watchable?
Has Unsworth been watchable these last few games?

We've played ugly football for years. Allardyce won't be any worse than what's come before.
That is exactly why I am gutted ,the fact that someone can make a reasoned argument for Fat Sam. Just think of it Fat Sam ,that's right ,the guy we have laughed at for years .
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Macca77 on November 29, 2017, 11:35:36 PM
He's often complained he has been overlooked for bigger jobs, this is his only chance to prove everyone (and that include the majority of us) completely wrong. That's what I am clutching at.

I'm leaning this way to, its his last chance and the biggest club hes ever managed.

Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Simon Paul on November 29, 2017, 11:36:16 PM
well let me see your gutted we signed Sam and the only other manger we were in for was hmm I forget who was it

mate, you're tapped

I don't think I've even spoken about Silva on this site over the last few weeks

think you need to put either the website or the gin down
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: sirblue57 on November 29, 2017, 11:37:30 PM
He's often complained he has been overlooked for bigger jobs, this is his only chance to prove everyone (and that include the majority of us) completely wrong. That's what I am clutching at.

Bigger than the England job?
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Silas on November 29, 2017, 11:41:00 PM
Bigger than the England job?

He's got a 100% win record for England...
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: boothill on November 29, 2017, 11:41:05 PM

fuck off back to otoh gunga ya cunt
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: blue1948 on November 29, 2017, 11:41:29 PM
Bigger than the England job?
The clue was in the word CLUB !*
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: School of Science on November 29, 2017, 11:43:41 PM
Bigger than the England job?

Yes England are shit.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: bogie on November 29, 2017, 11:44:35 PM
mate, you're tapped

I don't think I've even spoken about Silva on this site over the last few weeks

think you need to put either the website or the gin down

yeah sure

ok then who did you think or want in as manager then
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: sirblue57 on November 29, 2017, 11:46:05 PM
The clue was in the word CLUB !*

How can he say he never gets a big job, then fuck up on the BIGGEST job after one game ? And we employed this dickhead?
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: boothill on November 29, 2017, 11:47:38 PM
i honestly feel like some1 i love as betrayed and tried to hurt me, after all the years, passion and money ive put into this relationship, it just fucks off with a wrongen
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: plumber on November 29, 2017, 11:49:49 PM
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Lxxx on November 29, 2017, 11:52:44 PM
He's often complained he has been overlooked for bigger jobs, this is his only chance to prove everyone (and that include the majority of us) completely wrong. That's what I am clutching at.

I know. This is about as good as it gets for him and his band of merry men. There's the platform Sam, the floor is yours.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: toffee_scot on November 30, 2017, 12:00:32 AM
Doesn't really make sense.

Whenever you change a manager it brings a change of style.

Moyes to Martinez is just as big a change as Martinez to Allardyce. In fact probably bigger when you consider the transition via Koeman.

If you're changing manager it's often an admission things haven't gone well. So the last thing you try and do is replicate the precious managers style.

Of course every manager is different and will apply different tactics relative to the previous manager, but some only need to tweak a few things within an existing football framework whilst some demand a complete overhaul.

The benefit of the former scenario is you should have most of the players to implement the new manager's slightly revised system and might only need 2-3 players in the next transfer window to improve general play. The scouting team at the club might have already found the right targets to fit into the new manager's system.

The problem with the latter scenario where the new manager demands a complete overhaul of the football philosophy at the club is they have to work with the existing players at their disposal who could very well be ill suited to implement their vision and when it comes to transfer window time, that manager will want to bring several of their own kind of players which could risk upsetting further team spirit.

Martinez actually did well at the beginning of his time at Everton because he practically improved on the solid if unspectacular formula that David Moyes had left behind but I feel his biggest error was deviating too much away by the end of the first season, we'd been known before for being strong defensively but by the last 2 seasons of the Martinez era we were every opposition striker's dream to play against especially on the counter attack and set pieces.

Everton used to talk about the "School of Science". What on earth is that supposed to be and why hasn't that been used as a framework to direct our football and staff recruitment?
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Bwana on November 30, 2017, 12:01:16 AM
No it doesn't. He's now in control of one of the most prestigeous English clubs. He's the ex-England manager who blew it big time with his own actions. He has a point to prove.

Clutching these-ones. But standing behind him.

COYB!
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Seahawk on November 30, 2017, 12:11:10 AM
I just can't get my head around Sammy Lee sitting in our dugout and screaming instructions from the touchline. I don't care if he is a good, bad or indifferent coach. This is just fuckin awful. This should not be allowed under any circumstances....ANY!
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: toffeeglas on November 30, 2017, 12:12:42 AM
Big Sam will be on more money than Simeone and Zidane - http://uk.businessinsider.com/the-highest-paid-football-managers-in-the-world-2017-10/#15-rafael-bentez-newcastle-united-1
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: toffee_scot on November 30, 2017, 12:14:58 AM
I just can't get my head around Sammy Lee sitting in our dugout and screaming instructions from the touchline.

It's going to confuse the shit out of people when it comes to the game at Anfield soon.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: TheRam on November 30, 2017, 12:16:52 AM
A positive

A both Sunderland and palace he signed players in January that made a massive difference to their seasons.

Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Cereal Killer on November 30, 2017, 12:18:17 AM
So how many games has he got to fix it? We don't have the players to suit his normal style, will he suddenly make Martina & Williams able to defend? I doubt it

(H) Huddersfield
(A) Apollon
(A) Liverpool
(A) Newcastle
(H) Swansea
(H) Chelsea
(A) West Brom
(A) Bournemouth


Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: BlueForYou on November 30, 2017, 01:47:22 AM
All those who wanted Koeman sacked, how do you feel now?

Better, worse or no different?

Still celebrating?

Sam's your man!
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Jimmywhack on November 30, 2017, 01:48:14 AM
All those who wanted Koeman sacked, how do you feel now?

Better, worse or no different?

Still celebrating?

Sam's your man!
I wanted koeman sacked
He was broken.

How I feel now has fuck all to do with sacking koeman tho
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: blueski on November 30, 2017, 01:50:47 AM
Big Sam will be on more money than Simeone and Zidane - http://uk.businessinsider.com/the-highest-paid-football-managers-in-the-world-2017-10/#15-rafael-bentez-newcastle-united-1
insanity
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Bluedylan on November 30, 2017, 01:51:16 AM
I'll never get behind this shit. Good luck to the people trying (and struggling) desperately to justify it to themselves.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Macca77 on November 30, 2017, 01:52:35 AM
https://twitter.com/scouseandblue/status/935956485263290368
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 30, 2017, 01:58:15 AM
I'll never get behind this shit. Good luck to the people trying (and struggling) desperately to justify it to themselves.

Never? What if he does well?
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Bluedylan on November 30, 2017, 02:00:31 AM
Never? What if he does well?

I'll cross that bridge when I don't come to it.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Bob Sacamano on November 30, 2017, 02:16:33 AM
Never? What if he does well?

I think this is a very good question.

Whilst I’m hugely disappointed with the beyond lazy appointment, I’m not quite sure what doing well would be with Allardyce.

He’s probably averaged out at about 14th (generous) in his career. Is “doing well” 10th/11th?

I’m genuinely confused. Apart than “not get relegated” I’m not quite sure why this dinosaur has been brought in. Can’t figure it out.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Heisenberg on November 30, 2017, 02:21:34 AM
If we'd have just seen out the next 2 games. If we'd win west ham and on the weekend we'd be in the top half!
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Bigstickytoffee on November 30, 2017, 02:54:47 AM
Does anyone know for sure the terms of contract? I hope something short term and we get someone so much sexier in the summer.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Bluedylan on November 30, 2017, 03:00:09 AM
We've been blagged senseless.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: fubarruk on November 30, 2017, 03:07:45 AM
His appointment marks the end of anything that made us a 'special' club. I always held us to higher standards than others, thought we done things with more class.

Not one thing about this, him, or the team he's bringing with him is , in any way, a positive step.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: BlueForYou on November 30, 2017, 03:08:09 AM
Fuck all to do with Koeman, JimmyWhack? Be a man - stand up and be counted

Some fans want Allardyce out before he's even started!

Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: bacon sarnie on November 30, 2017, 04:05:57 AM
We've been blagged senseless.

Spot on.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: toffee_scot on November 30, 2017, 04:11:25 AM
With today's victory, I bet Moshiri is thinking "Shit, do we still really need that fucker sitting next to me?"
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Jimmywhack on November 30, 2017, 04:12:40 AM
Fuck all to do with Koeman, JimmyWhack? Be a man - stand up and be counted

Some fans want Allardyce out before he's even started!
Yes
Fuck all to do with koeman
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: bacon sarnie on November 30, 2017, 04:20:10 AM
With today's victory, I bet Moshiri is thinking "Shit, do we still really need that fucker sitting next to me?"

...and how clever he is to have used the old disapearing ink trick.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Heisenberg on November 30, 2017, 04:22:30 AM
Win against Huddersfield and we will be there or there abouts in the top half. Disaster of an appointment. Unsworth until the end of the season would have sufficed
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: bacon sarnie on November 30, 2017, 04:27:26 AM
Win against Huddersfield and we will be there or there abouts in the top half. Disaster of an appointment. Unsworth until the end of the season would have sufficed

Wait til he's sat there next to Sammy Lee with a gob full of chewy wallowing in praise from the likes of Robbie Savage for having won another relegation battle.

Pfffft!
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 30, 2017, 04:30:30 AM
I think this is a very good question.

Whilst I’m hugely disappointed with the beyond lazy appointment, I’m not quite sure what doing well would be with Allardyce.

He’s probably averaged out at about 14th (generous) in his career. Is “doing well” 10th/11th?

I’m genuinely confused. Apart than “not get relegated” I’m not quite sure why this dinosaur has been brought in. Can’t figure it out.


Well if we hit last seasons form from now til the end of the season then I think he's done pretty good.

I get that people don't like him. He's not fancy, he's a little shady and his teams play industrial football but he's also extremely underrated. He's done good jobs elsewhere. The teams he's left have been worse for him going.

I like him. Always have. Think he's the pragmatist we need. Think we'll have a much better window with someone who gets on with Walsh too

Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: therealdunc on November 30, 2017, 04:31:39 AM
Win against Huddersfield and we will be there or there abouts in the top half. Disaster of an appointment. Unsworth until the end of the season would have sufficed

So bitter

The players played for the new manager, unsworth was a disaster
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Silas on November 30, 2017, 04:34:32 AM
Let's not pretend we all wanted Unsworth that's bullshit. I don't want Allardyce but Unsworth was struggling as much as I love the man. For Allardyce to be deemed a success here though it's clear that simply escaping relegation is nowhere near a marker for us
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Bob Sacamano on November 30, 2017, 04:34:50 AM

Well if we hit last seasons form from now til the end of the season then I think he's done pretty good.

I get that people don't like him. He's not fancy, he's a little shady and his teams play industrial football but he's also extremely underrated. He's done good jobs elsewhere. The teams he's left have been worse for him going.

I like him. Always have. Think he's the pragmatist we need. Think we'll have a much better window with someone who gets on with Walsh too



Was a genuine Q. No idea what a “success” would be, I actually believe Martinez could walk in and get this lot mid-table.

He’s here now so I’m over it. Disappointed like, and I don’t think he’s underrated. Nothing he’s really done suggest to me that I should rate him, but what can I do.

I’ll legitimately act like Sammy Lee is dead though - that prick simply doesn’t exist.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Lxxx on November 30, 2017, 04:38:11 AM
I think this is a very good question.

Whilst I’m hugely disappointed with the beyond lazy appointment, I’m not quite sure what doing well would be with Allardyce.

He’s probably averaged out at about 14th (generous) in his career. Is “doing well” 10th/11th?

I’m genuinely confused. Apart than “not get relegated” I’m not quite sure why this dinosaur has been brought in. Can’t figure it out.

If we finish 7th and end the season playing like a proper team again, with some additions in January to sort the front and back out, then I think that'd be as good as we can expect.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: School of Science on November 30, 2017, 04:38:21 AM
Everton can confirm that the only ex England manager with a 100% win record will take control at Goodison Park. Hmmm
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Jimmywhack on November 30, 2017, 04:39:54 AM
So bitter

The players played for the new manager, unsworth was a disaster
I'd say they played for the manager leaving than the incoming manager and for parts of it we were poor
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: School of Science on November 30, 2017, 04:43:16 AM
They played for Unsworth, with one eye to the stand, players now know they are playing for their futures.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Confucius on November 30, 2017, 11:22:59 AM
The world is run by fat, old rich white men. Nothing proves this more than this appointment. It's a sad day for Everton that the thought of an Allardyce type even crossed our minds let alone become our manager.

He is here now, the easiest relegation saving job ever. For me, he must be judged the same as any other manager. Top 8 is attainable and a decent cup run. Anything less is a failure.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Seahawk on November 30, 2017, 12:25:08 PM
The world is run by fat, old rich white men. Nothing proves this more than this appointment.
What an absolutely stupid comment.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: stirlingblue on November 30, 2017, 02:23:32 PM
Let us not delude ourselves Ladies & Gents, now is not the time for pussyfooting around. We are in a dog fight and we need a manager who is going to come into our club and galvanise the 1st team squad. We need someone who won't take any prisoners, an organiser and a first class exponent of building team spirit.

Goodison Park and the Everton faithful want to see a team rolling up their sleeves and putting in a shift for everyone associated with the club. We are a laughing stock at the moment and the effort is not being put in. We need a manager who can get our players playing for one another and most importantly the faithful who loyally support this great club we love.

As much as many are whinging and crying over Allardyce probably getting the job, I for one think he is exactly the man we need to get us all making Goodison a bear pit of a ground again. I want Allardyce to make us a team of fighters, of grafters and a team that's hard to beat. Not a team that we have right now that rolls over and gives up.

He is the man to take us forward and to build team spirit again. Let's get behind him. ;D

Great combination of post and username
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Macca77 on November 30, 2017, 03:04:23 PM
Just to clarify any confusion here, Unsworth picked the team and did the teamtalk before the game and during halftime, Allardyce had no say or involvement whatsoever
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Macca77 on November 30, 2017, 03:14:49 PM
https://twitter.com/_pauljoyce/status/936155874183217157
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: toshyboy on November 30, 2017, 03:28:06 PM
Any danger of an official announcement any time soon??
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Simon Paul on November 30, 2017, 03:52:52 PM
yeah sure

ok then who did you think or want in as manager then

No no no no no

You went off the deep end despite zero evidence to back yourself up. Go back through my posts and find any mention of wanting Silva here.

Then fuck off
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: dangermouse on November 30, 2017, 03:53:52 PM
it is a low point, and it is new

but do crack on....

and it gets clicks
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on November 30, 2017, 04:18:55 PM
If we finish 7th and end the season playing like a proper team again, with some additions in January to sort the front and back out, then I think that'd be as good as we can expect.
That’s the issue though; one win and half the fan base are back to thinking Unsworth would’ve got us comfortably mid-table.

People need to forget their appropriate lack of respect s and just get behind Everton.

I hope to god we beat Huddersfield on Saturday - don’t think I could handle all the ‘we’ve gone backwards since Unsworth left’ shouts.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Lxxx on November 30, 2017, 04:24:53 PM
https://twitter.com/_pauljoyce/status/936155874183217157

Not that I am any great fan of Elstone and Kenwright but since this 'power shift' we've had four managers in 18 months, wasted £150m, been on the fringes of the bottom three, assembled the most disjointed squad for years and just appointed the most underwhelming manager in living memory.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: GLewis on November 30, 2017, 04:28:40 PM
Not that I am any great fan of Elstone and Kenwright but since this 'power shift' we've had four managers in 18 months, wasted £150m, been on the fringes of the bottom three, assembled the most disjointed squad for years and just appointed the most underwhelming manager in living memory.


Power shift is now isn’t it?

Anyway, the underlying point needs to be that there is unity of thought / purpose.

Think the Sigurdsson episode (and Schneiderlin before that) was down to old ways of working where every pound really mattered.

Paying an extra couple of £m for Sigurdsson at the start of the saga would have left weeks to sort everything else out etc; and that’s just one minor thing.

You can’t have confusion at the top.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: AllyBlue14 on November 30, 2017, 04:35:10 PM
Not that I am any great fan of Elstone and Kenwright but since this 'power shift' we've had four managers in 18 months, wasted £150m, been on the fringes of the bottom three, assembled the most disjointed squad for years and just appointed the most underwhelming manager in living memory.


Disagree with the underwhelming manager bit, but agree that the circumstances that have led to him being a viable option are gutting.

Does feel like we're flexing our financial muscle but don't really know what to do with it.

Would have been very interesting to see who Bill's choice would have been.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Lxxx on November 30, 2017, 04:50:17 PM
Power shift is now isn’t it?

Anyway, the underlying point needs to be that there is unity of thought / purpose.

Think the Sigurdsson episode (and Schneiderlin before that) was down to old ways of working where every pound really mattered.

Paying an extra couple of £m for Sigurdsson at the start of the saga would have left weeks to sort everything else out etc; and that’s just one minor thing.

You can’t have confusion at the top.

I think the power shift started the day Moshiri acquired his share of the club, it's an ongoing process while the old guard still remain in key positions.

At some point though there has to be a clear statement of intent, a clearly definable strategy put in place moving forwards. If, as expected (and demanded by many) we get a 5th manager in about two years in the summer there needs to be some kind of plan for it. Are we going to go down the route of continuous change or do we try to develop like Sevilla or Atletico for example, whereby it doesn't matter if the manager/head coach/star player leaves as the club still works and plans around an ethos and a model which means personnel change doesn't affect the direction the club heads in.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: GLewis on November 30, 2017, 04:57:08 PM
I think the power shift started the day Moshiri acquired his share of the club, it's an ongoing process while the old guard still remain in key positions.

At some point though there has to be a clear statement of intent, a clearly definable strategy put in place moving forwards. If, as expected (and demanded by many) we get a 5th manager in about two years in the summer there needs to be some kind of plan for it. Are we going to go down the route of continuous change or do we try to develop like Sevilla or Atletico for example, whereby it doesn't matter if the manager/head coach/star player leaves as the club still works and plans around an ethos and a model which means personnel change doesn't affect the direction the club heads in.

Yes.

I think Joyce is implying that BK / Elstone are now out of the picture whereas up to now they’ve been (heavily?) involved.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Ross on November 30, 2017, 05:01:42 PM
I wouldn’t be jumping for joy about this supposed “power shift” the managerial search has been farcical and Joyce is clearly pointing the finger of blame at Moshiri and his merry men.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Rodenplav64 on November 30, 2017, 06:12:48 PM
I wouldn’t be jumping for joy about this supposed “power shift” the managerial search has been farcical and Joyce is clearly pointing the finger of blame at Moshiri and his merry men.

Don't think Moshiri inspires confidence really . looked like a toadying turd stood next to Allardyce .
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: kramer0 on November 30, 2017, 07:08:13 PM
If Moshiri and his trusted advisors oversaw this managerial search then I’m not confident at all going forward.

Looking at boring, experienced PL managers and Mendes clients is not a great process.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: pjk on November 30, 2017, 07:14:40 PM
Two pages in on this thread. Fucking murder. lolol
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Waltzer on November 30, 2017, 07:39:21 PM
Has he actually been appointed yet or are they not putting anything up on the OS, all seems a bit strange and quiet?
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Ross on November 30, 2017, 07:47:07 PM
Has he actually been appointed yet or are they not putting anything up on the OS, all seems a bit strange and quiet?

Adjustments are being made to his salary to reflect the size of his bar bill from last night.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: MexicanToffee on November 30, 2017, 08:11:45 PM
Adjustments are being made to his salary to reflect the size of his bar bill from last night.
This whole debacle has sapped me of all cheer. Thanks, I needed a laugh
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: brap2 on November 30, 2017, 08:20:30 PM
If Moshiri and his trusted advisors oversaw this managerial search then I’m not confident at all going forward.

Looking at boring, experienced PL managers and Mendes clients is not a great process.

Really odd to see people cheering this.

It’s the opposite of what the anti-kenwright gang were saying. Turns out it was Moshiri running the fucking head up arse style managerial hunt that ended in grovelling to el grande Samuel, not kenwright...and now we’re supposed to be made up?
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: sirblue57 on November 30, 2017, 08:23:13 PM
Really odd to see people cheering this.

It’s the opposite of what the anti-kenwright gang were saying. Turns out it was Moshiri running the fucking head up arse style managerial hunt that ended in grovelling to el grande Samuel, not kenwright...and now we’re supposed to be made up?

What is the difference? Boardroom fuck ups are the norm for this club.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: kramer0 on November 30, 2017, 09:17:23 PM
Yeah, I don't really think it matters who's in charge. Neither of Kenwright/Moshiri are particularly knowledgeable about football so it's a flawed process either way.

We need a strong, qualified director of football to oversee these things. Hopefully, Allardyce takes Walsh down with him when the board gets fed up with mediocrity* and Moshiri nails the next DoF appointment (hire a consulting firm to help with this decision, please!).

* Or maybe Allardyce/Walsh do brilliantly and make me look like a fool for saying this. I'll be just as happy with that.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Shropshire Blue on November 30, 2017, 09:29:30 PM
Board room fuck ups are Leeds, Blackburn, Blackpool, Wimbledon, Luton, Bolton, Torquay, Aston Villa, Birmingham City, Coventry, Rangers, Newcastle, Sunderland,  Leyton Orient, Charlton,  Hull, Cardiff,  Swansea, Exeter, Hereford. Then there's Gillette and Hick's,  Kroenke, the Glaziers, Oystons, and so on and so on.
We've cocked up but the world isn't going to end, there isn't a real threat of relegation, ground share, bankruptcy or dissolution.
In the unlikely event of fans from those other clubs reading the meltdown on here we wouldn't get or deserve sympathy,  we wouldn't get or deserve understanding and there would be 'no hearts going out to poor old Evertonians' . They would see a lot of spoiled fans who've NEVER known their team outside the privileged mega rich bubble of the Premier League whingeing like Wenger because of a bad run and the prospect of a manager they don't like.
There's a distinct lack of perspective in our fan Base at the moment. People need to look around and see how ridiculous they appear.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Gash on November 30, 2017, 09:30:25 PM
Has he signed yet?
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Macca77 on November 30, 2017, 09:31:46 PM
Still no official announcement, prob waiting for his pre match presser tomorrow
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: D15TIN on November 30, 2017, 09:33:53 PM
Still no official announcement, prob waiting for his pre match presser tomorrow
It's weird isn't it, is there a slim chance that there has been an issue and it could be pulled?
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Lxxx on November 30, 2017, 09:36:31 PM
We've pulled the bonus for staying up haven't we when we've realised we're nowhere near the drop, and he's not happy about it.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Bluedylan on November 30, 2017, 09:40:05 PM
I would love it if we were so shambolic that we have the guy sat next to the majority shareholder and still fuck up the agreement. Fingers crossed.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: blueski on November 30, 2017, 09:41:30 PM
not saying I'm in favour of this appointment - I'm not simply because of the perception but has Allardyce ever been given time and financial backing of the sort which he's likely to get working with Moshiri?
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 30, 2017, 09:41:53 PM
I would love it if we were so shambolic that we have the guy sat next to the majority shareholder and still fuck up the agreement. Fingers crossed.

Could do another 5 weeks chasing silva
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Bluedylan on November 30, 2017, 09:43:16 PM
Could do another 5 weeks chasing silva

Or get just about anyone else...
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: sirblue57 on November 30, 2017, 09:44:06 PM
Yeah, I don't really think it matters who's in charge. Neither of Kenwright/Moshiri are particularly knowledgeable about football so it's a flawed process either way.

We need a strong, qualified director of football to oversee these things. Hopefully, Allardyce takes Walsh down with him when the board gets fed up with mediocrity* and Moshiri nails the next DoF appointment (hire a consulting firm to help with this decision, please!).

* Or maybe Allardyce/Walsh do brilliantly and make me look like a fool for saying this. I'll be just as happy with that.

We have been close to the edge, make no mistake. We have been lucky. That does not mean we are well run by any means.
And we still come across as amateur in a lot of ways. Tell me you think this has been handled well, I dare ya  :hmph:
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 30, 2017, 09:47:15 PM
Or get just about anyone else...


Is he really that bad. His teams are often better than the sum of the parts. I kind of thought that was the main thing

I honestly think he'll do a very good job here. Think he'll be extremely motivated to prove himself now he's got his big chance
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Lxxx on November 30, 2017, 09:56:33 PM

Is he really that bad. His teams are often better than the sum of the parts. I kind of thought that was the main thing

I honestly think he'll do a very good job here. Think he'll be extremely motivated to prove himself now he's got his big chance


I think there's probably something in that. Whether a 'very good job' takes us where we hope to get to or not I'm unsure but I certainly think we'll improve no question. I reckon if we finish 7th again for the second season running it should be considered back on par and a decent job done under the circumstances.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on November 30, 2017, 10:07:32 PM
Joyce gets his ‘scoops’ first hand from Kenwright so you’d assume they have some sort of relationship, hence Joyce throwing shit at Moshiri, not Bill.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 30, 2017, 10:08:44 PM
I think there's probably something in that. Whether a 'very good job' takes us where we hope to get to or not I'm unsure but I certainly think we'll improve no question. I reckon if we finish 7th again for the second season running it should be considered back on par and a decent job done under the circumstances.

If we finish 7th I think we have to say he's done a great job. Given he's only got 2 thirds of a season and given everyone a start on us

Think 7th form from now til the end of the season is par. Maybe even that's a little harsh as he won't have a window for a good few games yet

Honestly I really rate him. The only thing what actually would worry me is his interview after the England game when he said it wasn't for him to tell rooney where to play. I think we'll all be pleasantly surprised.
Also if he actually gets on with Walsh it might help avoid more farces of transfer windows
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on November 30, 2017, 10:09:57 PM
I think there's probably something in that. Whether a 'very good job' takes us where we hope to get to or not I'm unsure but I certainly think we'll improve no question. I reckon if we finish 7th again for the second season running it should be considered back on par and a decent job done under the circumstances.
7th would be a resounding success, given where we are. Just curious (and in no way a loaded question); what would you consider a failure, apart from the obvious?
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Lxxx on November 30, 2017, 10:12:56 PM
7th would be a resounding success, given where we are. Just curious (and in no way a loaded question); what would you consider a failure, apart from the obvious?

8th.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: GLewis on November 30, 2017, 10:23:35 PM
I’d say at best we’ll get 55 points (1.6 pg from here on in).

Burnley on 27 but could see them going at 1 pg when their confidence drops / injuries etc.

Think being conservative 8th is best we can hope for plus not going out to someone we shouldn’t in the cup.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on November 30, 2017, 11:01:11 PM
I'd say at best we'll get 55 points (1.6 pg from here on in).

Burnley on 27 but could see them going at 1 pg when their confidence drops / injuries etc.

Think being conservative 8th is best we can hope for plus not going out to someone we shouldn't in the cup.
That’s about right. The usual 6 suspects and also Leicester have a much better squad than us and will improve. Wether we finish 8th or 15th, the season’s a write-off anyway.

Apart from when we win the FA cup!
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Trowel on November 30, 2017, 11:03:21 PM
Media now confirming an 18 month deal. Expect the OS to catch up soon.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on November 30, 2017, 11:06:34 PM
Media now confirming an 18 month deal. Expect the OS to catch up eventually.
Fixed
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Gary1878 on November 30, 2017, 11:37:32 PM
We have to all accept this appointment and get behind the players. It is a fucked up situation, but we just need to come to peace with it and support the club.

What Moshiri has done does make sense. He wants to protect the club first and foremost, and the direction we were heading in prior to last night was for disaster. In the summer, we can re-evaluate the situation, and scout around for any potentially better options. Big Sam and his team will then only be on a 1 year deal, and cheap to pay off. Hey, he might actually do a decent job and keep the job for the next 18 months. Either way, this is a short term fix, and I don't think anyone is under any illusions.

This will be Big Sam's final chance at the big time with the biggest club he has managed. Forget Newcastle - they are big in terms of fan numbers and stadium size, but not in terms fan expectations. That will be by far his biggest challenge. Everton fans will not accept crap results and crap football, as we have shown in the past few years. It will turn the ground toxic again and he won't last long. If he is going to play dire football, he needs results. Nothing else will do.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: bluenuck on November 30, 2017, 11:48:08 PM
We have to all accept this appointment and get behind the players. It is a fucked up situation, but we just need to come to peace with it and support the club.

What Moshiri has done does make sense. He wants to protect the club first and foremost, and the direction we were heading in prior to last night was for disaster. In the summer, we can re-evaluate the situation, and scout around for any potentially better options. Big Sam and his team will then only be on a 1 year deal, and cheap to pay off. Hey, he might actually do a decent job and keep the job for the next 18 months. Either way, this is a short term fix, and I don't think anyone is under any illusions.

This will be Big Sam's final chance at the big time with the biggest club he has managed. Forget Newcastle - they are big in terms of fan numbers and stadium size, but not in terms fan expectations. That will be by far his biggest challenge. Everton fans will not accept crap results and crap football, as we have shown in the past few years. It will turn the ground toxic again and he won't last long. If he is going to play dire football, he needs results. Nothing else will do.

Hate to be a buzz kill here, but we smashed probably the only team that looks worse than us last night at home.

We're not out of this yet.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Trowel on November 30, 2017, 11:52:56 PM
https://twitter.com/Everton/status/936291624983908353
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Gary1878 on November 30, 2017, 11:53:12 PM
Hate to be a buzz kill here, but we smashed probably the only team that looks worse than us last night at home.

We're not out of this yet.

West Ham are atrocious. I was speaking with my mate (who is a West Ham fan) throughout last night's game, and we were trying to compete on who was shitter. Suffice to say they came out on top.

It takes some doing to make us look good at the moment!

Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Everton Mint on December 01, 2017, 12:11:46 AM
It's true... last night didnt prove much other than we can beat a very poor team at home (with everything going right).

Allardyce's honeymoon period could be very brief indeed..

But at least confidence will have been raised and he will have a lot of injured players to come back pretty soon.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: blueToffee on December 01, 2017, 12:20:17 AM
https://twitter.com/Everton/status/936291624983908353

He looks thrilled to be there.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Faceatthefence on December 01, 2017, 12:24:00 AM
Media now confirming an 18 month deal. Expect the OS to catch up soon.
Oh well,bit better than 30 months.Ive hit the reset button,calmed down and put my Everton soul in a 18 month cryogenic sleep.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: benny on December 01, 2017, 12:26:13 AM
 
Firstly it's really not a low point and secondly "a new low" implies a personal best for lowness

                 :o :bonk:
                   
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: BlueBeagle on December 01, 2017, 12:27:18 AM
He looks thrilled to be there.
Damned if he does:
Look at his shit eating grin.
Smiling because he's had our pants down.
Smug corrupt cunt.

Damned if he doesn't:
You'd think he'd smile.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Macca77 on December 01, 2017, 12:31:07 AM
Take me down to the Allardyce city
Were the grass is green and the football's pretty
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: sixymack on December 01, 2017, 12:37:41 AM
Cannot believe this has happened.  What a fucking shambles.  Big Sam and Sammy Lee.   It’s like a nightmare actually coming to life.

Smug corrupt asshole.  Does anyone remember when he told the press how dirty Cahill was, the day before a Newcastle game a while ago.


Cahill received a soft yellow card and the camera panned in on sams smug grin.  He looked happy when Nolan wrote off Anichebe and nearly broke his leg.

Fuck him and the horse he rode in on.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Normm on December 01, 2017, 12:38:17 AM
The subject title is ridiculous. His services are needed at this time for obvious reasons. Craig Shakespeare is also a great coach to bring into the club!

Give the man a chance.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Faceatthefence on December 01, 2017, 12:38:54 AM
New manager,traditional new ditty

Big sam had a dreeeem
To fleece the toffees clean
Got loads of money and tried to take it all home
Hid it under rocks
Tucked some down his socks
Offshore banking is on its way back

Ahem,apoligies
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Macca77 on December 01, 2017, 12:38:58 AM
"Its got ambition "

https://twitter.com/Everton/status/936302906038505472
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: kramer0 on December 01, 2017, 12:41:51 AM
His head is massive. And not just figuratively.

I said this before but it would be hilarious if he did something crazy, like win the league. Given where our opinions of him are starting.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: blue1948 on December 01, 2017, 12:42:30 AM
New manager,traditional new ditty

Big sam had a dreeeem
To fleece the toffees clean
Got loads of money and tried to take it all home
Hid it under rocks
Tucked some down his socks
Offshore banking is on its way back

Ahem,apoligies
Says it all really ,we can only hope!
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: TheRam on December 01, 2017, 12:47:21 AM
To the tune of Coldplays Paradise;

Allar, allar, Allardyce.

Allar, Allar, Alladyche.

So on and so forth.


Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 01, 2017, 12:49:34 AM
Cannot believe this has happened.  What a fucking shambles.  Big Sam and Sammy Lee.   It’s like a nightmare actually coming to life.

Smug corrupt asshole.  Does anyone remember when he told the press how dirty Cahill was, the day before a Newcastle game a while ago.


Cahill received a soft yellow card and the camera panned in on sams smug grin.  He looked happy when Nolan wrote off Anichebe and nearly broke his leg.

Fuck him and the horse he rode in on.

He got Cahill a booking? That sounds pretty clever. Or have I misunderstood?
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Silas on December 01, 2017, 12:50:38 AM
To the tune of Coldplays Paradise;

Allar, allar, Allardyce.

Allar, Allar, Alladyche.

So on and so forth.




Coolios Gangsters Paradise.

Been spending most our lives thinking we don't need Sam Allardyce.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: blueToffee on December 01, 2017, 12:52:18 AM
Damned if he does:
Look at his shit eating grin.
Smiling because he's had our pants down.
Smug corrupt cunt.

Damned if he doesn't:
You'd think he'd smile.

Yeah, fair enough. A little smile would be nice but I guess you could just say he's serious about the job in front of him or some such.

Everything about the way we're presenting this news is subdued it seems though.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Lincs Toffee on December 01, 2017, 12:52:28 AM
He looks thrilled to be there.
Not as thrilled as Lennon looked
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: TheRam on December 01, 2017, 12:52:39 AM
Coolios Gangsters Paradise.

Been spending most our lives thinking we don't need Sam Allardyce.

Yes.

Brilliant. You kinda make me happy he's here now.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Silas on December 01, 2017, 12:55:02 AM
Yes.

Brilliant. You kinda make me happy he's here now.

He's here now so I've just thought fuck it let's embrace it 100 per cent regardless of how fucking ludicrous it is
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: bigl1cks on December 01, 2017, 12:56:37 AM
We have to all accept this appointment and get behind the players. It is a fucked up situation, but we just need to come to peace with it and support the club.

What Moshiri has done does make sense. He wants to protect the club first and foremost, and the direction we were heading in prior to last night was for disaster. In the summer, we can re-evaluate the situation, and scout around for any potentially better options. Big Sam and his team will then only be on a 1 year deal, and cheap to pay off. Hey, he might actually do a decent job and keep the job for the next 18 months. Either way, this is a short term fix, and I don't think anyone is under any illusions.

This will be Big Sam's final chance at the big time with the biggest club he has managed. Forget Newcastle - they are big in terms of fan numbers and stadium size, but not in terms fan expectations. That will be by far his biggest challenge. Everton fans will not accept crap results and crap football, as we have shown in the past few years. It will turn the ground toxic again and he won't last long. If he is going to play dire football, he needs results. Nothing else will do.

He needs results no matter what football he plays. Remember Martinez?

Not sure what point you are making.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: sirblue57 on December 01, 2017, 12:57:42 AM
The subject title is ridiculous. His services are needed at this time for obvious reasons. Craig Shakespeare is also a great coach to bring into the club!

Give the man a chance.
he had a chance, the top job in the country, and showed his true colours. and as for needed, any experienced manager would do. we panicked and the board did what they always do.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Normm on December 01, 2017, 01:04:16 AM
New manager,traditional new ditty


If you want a witty ditty, ask Shakespeare. The bard is joining the team and working on a new play!

...Let's hope it's not a tragedy!

 'All's Well That Ends Well' would be OK.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Macca77 on December 01, 2017, 01:06:09 AM
Coolios Gangsters Paradise.

Been spending most our lives thinking we don't need Sam Allardyce.

Haha this is just superb
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Audrey Horne on December 01, 2017, 01:07:37 AM
till 2019? UGH
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: ally2 on December 01, 2017, 01:17:14 AM
Never been a fan but the club must unite, and I think he'll actually do very well.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: kramer0 on December 01, 2017, 01:22:22 AM
It's a good time for Sigurdsson to be hitting form.

Allardyce is going to love his deliveries. And it'll get even better after we add a target man in January.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Ridge on December 01, 2017, 01:22:34 AM
As far as appointments go, it's got the feeling of a wake.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Cozzie on December 01, 2017, 01:27:02 AM
To the tune of Coldplays Paradise;

Allar, allar, Allardyce.

Allar, Allar, Alladyche.

So on and so forth.




Some sort of weird Allardyce-Sean Dyche hybrid?

That would be some ULTRA Defensive football like.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on December 01, 2017, 01:33:12 AM
Me heads battered i'm agreeing with both sides of the argument...need pills
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Simon Paul on December 01, 2017, 01:36:14 AM
The subject title is ridiculous. His services are needed at this time for obvious reasons. Craig Shakespeare is also a great coach to bring into the club!

Give the man a chance.

so you don't think that needing Sam Allardyce is a low point then?

Nil Satis Nisi Optimum eh?  Who needs it?
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: 74Blue on December 01, 2017, 01:49:13 AM
Coolios Gangsters Paradise.

Been spending most our lives thinking we don't need Sam Allardyce.
Simply brilliant!
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Gary1878 on December 01, 2017, 02:21:48 AM
He needs results no matter what football he plays. Remember Martinez?

Not sure what point you are making.

The point I am making is that he will play crap football. That is guaranteed. However, when you play crap football, you can't get away with bad results like you might do if you play good football that is entertaining. Losing 1-0 with no edge or entertainment is not the same as losing 2-3 in my book. That's what lost Koeman the crowd and ultimately his job. Martinez lasted a lot longer because he at least provided entertainment until the last few months of his tenure.

Martinez at the end wasn't playing good football, it was just possession-based drivel with no end product.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: dax78 on December 01, 2017, 02:24:46 AM
To move on together, I feel we should close this thread
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: everton1952 on December 01, 2017, 02:27:45 AM
till 2019? UGH
Fuck off and get behind the team.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Simon Paul on December 01, 2017, 02:41:00 AM
Fuck off and get behind the team.

Is that physically possible?
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: BlueBeagle on December 01, 2017, 02:50:17 AM
Nil Satis Nisi Optimum eh?  Who needs it?

Not really been applicable to any aspect of the club in the last quarter of a century has it so what's the point in pretending it's anything other than a meaningless moto?
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on December 01, 2017, 02:51:36 AM
Is that physically possible?

Depends where you sit in the stadium, or what half we're in.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: The Analog Kid on December 01, 2017, 02:52:09 AM
It seems a tad “anti-climatic” and underwhelming considering the names batted about during the seven weeks of looking, but we should be used to that after numerous uneventful transfer windows. I’m prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt and see how he goes, I suppose I/we have no choice anyway.

Let’s just see eh..... TBC
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Ridge on December 01, 2017, 02:52:31 AM
Would love to see the players whatsapp groups
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Martip on December 01, 2017, 02:53:29 AM
On a side note I wonder how much he 'll get to spend in January. I think we need to spend 70m minimum although whether thats available is another question.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: brap2 on December 01, 2017, 03:09:02 AM
Is that physically possible?

Yes if you go around and come back in through the rear entry.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 01, 2017, 03:10:59 AM
Oh they done a video
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: BlueForYou on December 01, 2017, 03:15:30 AM
Big Sam, big club, big times





Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: UnsyisaRhino on December 01, 2017, 03:22:06 AM
so you don't think that needing Sam Allardyce is a low point then?

Nil Satis Nisi Optimum eh?  Who needs it?

Give it a rest. You dont do yourself any favours coming out with shit like that, nevermind all the 'new low' melodrama.

NSNO? Literally? no aspect of our club has achieved that, or even got close since i started going the game, and realistically no appointment who would have ticked that box.

Some very short or selective memories on here.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Audrey Horne on December 01, 2017, 03:26:32 AM
Fuck off and get behind the team.

Thanks for your amazingly intelligent input.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Heisenberg on December 01, 2017, 03:27:32 AM
Give it a rest. You dont do yourself any favours coming out with shit like that, nevermind all the 'new low' melodrama.

NSNO? Literally? no aspect of our club has achieved that, or even got close since i started going the game, and realistically no appointment who would have ticked that box.

Some very short or selective memories on here.

Mate its sam allardyce. There's litterally no dressing it up. He's not unknown and we all know the style of football he plays and his capabilities. There isn''t much blind hope to cling on to. This appointment has written off the next 18 months for everton. We will never win anything or qualify for Europe under him
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Simon Paul on December 01, 2017, 03:32:18 AM
Give it a rest. You dont do yourself any favours coming out with shit like that, nevermind all the 'new low' melodrama.

NSNO? Literally? no aspect of our club has achieved that, or even got close since i started going the game, and realistically no appointment who would have ticked that box.

Some very short or selective memories on here.

Some of us have been going the game since we did achieve NSNO as a club

Some very short sighted attitudes on here....
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Evertonian in NC on December 01, 2017, 03:34:47 AM
so you don't think that needing Sam Allardyce is a low point then?

Nil Satis Nisi Optimum eh?  Who needs it?

I only took one year of high school Latin, in which I learned how to sleep with my eyes open.  How do you sub in "white bread mediocrity" for "the best" in our motto?  Will new swag be marketed?

SPOILER: I will hold onto my old stuff, bring it back out when it's time to clean up what's left in this fool's giant, sad wake.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: loroloco on December 01, 2017, 03:36:17 AM
Give it a rest. You dont do yourself any favours coming out with shit like that, nevermind all the 'new low' melodrama.

NSNO? Literally? no aspect of our club has achieved that, or even got close since i started going the game, and realistically no appointment who would have ticked that box.

Some very short or selective memories on here.

i agree with you up until the last line. i think the problem with our fans is that they're memories are too long, not too short. a failure to move with the times. constantly spouting about the good old days. the reality is that we are no longer a big club - in terms of how we used to be at least. we are a mid table team who has never played champions league football or even won a trophy in 20+ years. the logo is there, in my opinion, only out of tradition and stands for nothing more than a memory of our past. i'm not a moshiri fan but i must admit i admire his innocent ambition. the frustrating part of all of this for me is that there already exists a blueprint for a club like us to move on to the next level and i believe we should copy it as much as we can, that is to say - the spurs route. a lot of people will get pissed off at even mentioning that but they took thing step by step and just tried to improve year on year. moshiri thinks that we can buy our way to the top. the funds simply aren't there for that as we would need to spend billions.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: indiantoffee1975 on December 01, 2017, 03:36:21 AM
I'd rather now look ahead to the next 6,12 or even 18 months if Allardyce sees our his contract, once he's gone do we really think our board will act swiftly and get an ideal replacement in? Judging by the decisions they have made over the last two seasons i'm concerned of the magnitude of errors they are continually making and think they will struggle to get any sort of quality manager in.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: mikey_blue on December 01, 2017, 03:42:13 AM
Mate its sam allardyce. There's litterally no dressing it up. He's not unknown and we all know the style of football he plays and his capabilities. There isn''t much blind hope to cling on to. This appointment has written off the next 18 months for everton. We will never win anything or qualify for Europe under him

Hard to say that we’ll never win anything or qualify for Europe with him, especially when He’s not here to do either of those things. Sam is here to steady the ship while Moshiri gets something sorted for the summer. Unless Big Sam goes undefeated or has some mirical season, he'll be replaced in the summer, once a more "Desirable" manager becomes available.

To be fair to him though, he's probably not managed a team as good as ours for the better part of a decade. He might surprise us.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: mikey_blue on December 01, 2017, 03:46:04 AM
Hard to say that we'll never win anything or qualify for Europe with him, especially when He's not here to do either of those things. Sam is here to steady the ship while Moshiri gets something sorted for the summer. Unless Big Sam goes undefeated or has some miracle season, he'll be replaced in the summer, once a more "Desirable" manager becomes available.

To be fair to him though, he's probably not managed a team as good as ours for the better part of a decade. He might surprise us.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: mikey_blue on December 01, 2017, 03:46:21 AM
Double post
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Shropshire Blue on December 01, 2017, 03:48:38 AM
Doesn't the style of football played by a manager depend on the players he has available?
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Heisenberg on December 01, 2017, 03:52:28 AM
Doesn't the style of football played by a manager depend on the players he has available?

After seeing players like shaqiri and bojan play as target men for stoke. I'd say no
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: pjk on December 01, 2017, 03:55:28 AM
People might think I'm a bit daft here, but I'm actually looking forward to seeing if Allardyce can make anything of a difference. I've got to say though; "I hate the idea of Sammy Lee coming in as his number two". ???
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Shropshire Blue on December 01, 2017, 03:57:28 AM
After seeing players like shaqiri and bojan play as target men for stoke. I'd say no
Because they haven't got a decent target man?  Makes my point exactly.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Ross on December 01, 2017, 03:59:46 AM
Any chance of a countdown timer pinned till Big Sam gets us to the magical 40 points and “safety” and earns his massive bonus?

Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Heisenberg on December 01, 2017, 04:08:20 AM
Because they haven't got a decent target man?  Makes my point exactly.

No it doesn't. The point is that managers like that will play their shite football regardless of what players they have
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: sirblue57 on December 01, 2017, 04:10:29 AM
Not really been applicable to any aspect of the club in the last quarter of a century has it so what's the point in pretending it's anything other than a meaningless moto?

Just because the board couldn't be arsed trying to live up to it. Does not.mean it's meaningless. Have some pride Drs.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Ell Capitan on December 01, 2017, 04:11:29 AM
I'd like the appointment of Allardyce to getting bummed in the shower by the prison bully. Sure you don't feel good about it, but you need to stay alive and he needs to give someone a bumming.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Cereal Killer on December 01, 2017, 04:19:45 AM
On a side note I wonder how much he 'll get to spend in January. I think we need to spend 70m minimum although whether thats available is another question.

70m?! That covers the agent fees and management takes, what will we actually spend on players??
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: chang on December 01, 2017, 04:20:32 AM
I totally get the club was / is in a very bad place right now, low point indeed, but I also am a believer in what is meant to be will be.

Things have gone horribly wrong, but somebody said above that some of us have too longer memories and I think there is some mileage in that. It is what happens going forward that really matters - Sam and his team will of where ever they go not be the fans choice, but we don't get to choose. At least it's an 18 month deal, kind of suck it and see.

Although we spent silly amounts for not allot, there are still some very established players, important players in the twilight of their careers to be replaced soon - Baines - Jags - Williams ..... Mirarillas is not for us, and although Coleman and Bolasie will be back, there is no knowing what effect their injuries will have long term on their ability to perform as before, factor into that the player that was James  McCarthy and we have a lot of new faces to bring in / re-motivate - just maybe an experienced EPL manager like Sam is well placed to help here, may be not, I'd just like folk to have an open mind,and not beat themselves up over it.

For me Rooney is pivotal, and there is in my mind no doubt that performance last night was on the back of him and Mrs Rooney seemingly all lovey dovey again.

This time last night blues we were buzzing, lets look forward to more of the same.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Cuttyblue on December 01, 2017, 04:27:39 AM
Mate its sam allardyce. There's litterally no dressing it up. He's not unknown and we all know the style of football he plays and his capabilities. There isn''t much blind hope to cling on to. This appointment has written off the next 18 months for everton. We will never win anything or qualify for Europe under him

Yes, but can you countenance that Sam Allardyce had his prior teams play agricultural football because they did not have the quality to score enough goals to win games.

No blue-tinted specs here, but he now has the best quality players (in terms of their potential, I know they've been crap lately) and the most financial/status clout to attract more, than he's ever had at Bolton, Hammers, Sunderland, Palace, etc.

He was never my first choice either, but I think he will definitely stabilize us and remove the REAL fear of relegation we have been feeling recently. 

What happens after that, as our goal is to challenge again for Europe and domestic Cups?

I dunno!  Let's see.     
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Simon Paul on December 01, 2017, 04:35:02 AM
I'd like the appointment of Allardyce to getting bummed in the shower by the prison bully. Sure you don't feel good about it, but you need to stay alive and he needs to give someone a bumming.

Genuinely laughed out loud at this
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Ari on December 01, 2017, 04:48:22 AM
Genuinely laughed out loud at this

Are you a pervert Simon Paul?
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: BlueBeagle on December 01, 2017, 01:10:37 PM
Does not.mean it's meaningless.

It means exactly that as there is no truth in it whatsoever anymore
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: sirblue57 on December 01, 2017, 02:35:52 PM
It means exactly that as there is no truth in it whatsoever anymore

Gave that a like by mistake.
Of course it's not.meaningless if the supporters believe it means something, the board is not the club,  they are custodians , because they have failed to uphold the principles of the motto does not make it irrelevant.
What it means is the board have failed in their duty. But then again they have failed in so many things
The supporters believe in NSNO, it's why we follow the club with such passion and belief , we are expecting the motto to be lived up to on and off the pitch, and we are constantly disappointed by players , managers  and board.

If you believe the motto is meaningless, I feel sorry for you, as you have not understood what it is to be an evertonian.
Born not manufactured.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Paddockoldie on December 01, 2017, 02:54:31 PM
People might think I'm a bit daft here, but I'm actually looking forward to seeing if Allardyce can make anything of a difference. I've got to say though; "I hate the idea of Sammy Lee coming in as his number two". ???

I've always considered Sammy Lee as a number two mate.. a big steaming one
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: sirblue57 on December 01, 2017, 02:55:49 PM
I've always considered Sammy Lee as a number two mate.. a very small round but pungent ,steaming one

Fixed
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: BlueBeagle on December 01, 2017, 03:35:18 PM
Gave that a like by mistake.
Of course it's not.meaningless if the supporters believe it means something, the board is not the club,  they are custodians , because they have failed to uphold the principles of the motto does not make it irrelevant.
What it means is the board have failed in their duty. But then again they have failed in so many things
The supporters believe in NSNO, it's why we follow the club with such passion and belief , we are expecting the motto to be lived up to on and off the pitch, and we are constantly disappointed by players , managers  and board.

If you believe the motto is meaningless, I feel sorry for you, as you have not understood what it is to be an evertonian.
Born not manufactured.

How romantic.

Meanwhile Everton appoint Sam Allerdyce proving that Nil Satis Nisi Optimum is just an old saying with no substance.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: sirblue57 on December 01, 2017, 03:37:02 PM
How romantic.

Meanwhile Everton appoint Sam Allerdyce proving that Nil Satis Nisi Optimum is just an old saying with no substance.

That you bill?
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: sirblue57 on December 01, 2017, 03:38:17 PM
As I said. The BOARD may not live up to the.motto, or the players.
But to the SUPPORTERS it means something.

I cannot explain it any simpler.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: sirblue57 on December 01, 2017, 03:44:41 PM
If the motto meant anything would we really have employed;
Koeman. No
Martinez. No
Moyes.   No
Walker.  No
Lee .  No

None of these appointments had the Everton ethos, though Moyes did try to get it.
Big Sam is the latest in a long long line of appointments that show the lack of ambition the board have. Fucking amateur .
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: BlueBeagle on December 01, 2017, 03:46:02 PM
As I said. The BOARD may not live up to the.motto, or the players.
But to the SUPPORTERS it means something.

I cannot explain it any simpler.

If you find comfort in it, if it makes you feel all warm and fuzzy, brilliant.

But for me who has never seen the club win fuck all whilst constantly make a mess of everything, they are just words that are on our badge.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: GLewis on December 01, 2017, 03:53:08 PM
If the motto meant anything would we really have employed;
Koeman. No
Martinez. No
Moyes.   No
Walker.  No
Lee .  No

None of these appointments had the Everton ethos, though Moyes did try to get it.
Big Sam is the latest in a long long line of appointments that show the lack of ambition the board have. Fucking amateur .

To be fair if Kendall hadn’t played for us, he wouldn’t have fit the motto based on his managerial career to date.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Bluenose 91 on December 01, 2017, 04:51:08 PM
Got to admit I properly cringe when fans quote the clubs motto in a discussion as if it makes them a superior supporter.

Comes across really high and mighty.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Ell Capitan on December 01, 2017, 04:55:33 PM
Got to admit I properly cringe when fans quote the clubs motto in a discussion as if it makes them a superior supporter.

Comes across really high and mighty.

Ha. And I've yet to see a club who's motto is "let's just shoot for mid table mediocrity".
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: arteta4spain on December 01, 2017, 05:08:45 PM
Martinez and Koeman were shit appointments we just didn't know it at the time, it's be really Everton for the shit appointment to end up being our best manager in years.
You know what, Everton that. It really wouldnt surprise me. Has Allardyce been appointed into struggling team before the Jan window? I’d be interested to see, with the clout we’ve got to see who he’d go for.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: GLewis on December 01, 2017, 05:17:23 PM
You know what, Everton that. It really wouldnt surprise me. Has Allardyce been appointed into struggling team before the Jan window? I’d be interested to see, with the clout we’ve got to see who he’d go for.

Yes Sunderland and Palace.

The only two jobs where he’s actually been brought in to save teams.

Mentioned the other day that he generally bought younger players than you’d have thought.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: van der Meyde on December 01, 2017, 05:22:27 PM
Yes Sunderland and Palace.

The only two jobs where he’s actually been brought in to save teams.

Mentioned the other day that he generally bought younger players than you’d have thought.
He was brought in to save Blackburn from Paul Ince too.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: GLewis on December 01, 2017, 05:47:58 PM
He was brought in to save Blackburn from Paul Ince too.

Wasn’t as a specialist though?

That’s why he bristles against the description.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Ross on December 01, 2017, 05:58:23 PM
Wasn’t he appointed Bolton manager to save them from the drop?
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: van der Meyde on December 01, 2017, 06:09:16 PM
Blackburn were 19th, 5 points off 17th, and without a win in 11 games when he was appointed.

He might not have been seen as a specialist when they appointed him, but he was certainly brought in to save them.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Simon Paul on December 01, 2017, 06:11:24 PM
Blackburn were 19th, 5 points off 17th, and without a win in 11 games when he was appointed.

He might not have been seen as a specialist when they appointed him, but he was certainly brought in to save them.

he's managed some proper shite hasn't he

didn't realise it was him who brought Charles N'Zonzi to the Premier League though
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on December 01, 2017, 06:35:31 PM
Playing devil’s advocate somewhat; what is this obsession with playing beautiful football? How many teams in the premier league are silky ball playing teams?

The School of Science is a thing most of don’t even remember. Martinez revived it for a season but that’s about it. Even Kendall’s teams were all about lumping it up to the big man and having quality players make something happen in the final third.

Nothing gets Goodison bouncing like us kicking the shit out of the opposition, winning the physical battles. We’re a working class club and we demand our players graft and show passion. Allerdyce’s will give us that. And getting the ball forward early and turning the opposition round could well be a welcome antidote to the horrible, boring as fuck possession football we’ve had to endure for the last few seasons.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: UnsyisaRhino on December 01, 2017, 06:38:59 PM
Mate its sam allardyce. There's litterally no dressing it up. He's not unknown and we all know the style of football he plays and his capabilities. There isn''t much blind hope to cling on to. This appointment has written off the next 18 months for everton. We will never win anything or qualify for Europe under him

Who was dressing it up? I just don't think its as bad as the article and others are making out...not that its a good thing.

He got into europe with bolton. I'm not saying he will here, but worse managers have got there...so who knows.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: van der Meyde on December 01, 2017, 06:56:17 PM
he's managed some proper shite hasn't he

didn't realise it was him who brought Charles N'Zonzi to the Premier League though
Absolutely.

Speaking of Nzonzi, I had a little look through his record with youth players yesterday. It's nowhere near as bad as I thought it was, there aren't really any decent players he completely neglected. Even defensively he was playing players like Joey O'Brien and Phil Jones pretty regularly at a young age.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: GLewis on December 01, 2017, 07:52:00 PM
Blackburn were 19th, 5 points off 17th, and without a win in 11 games when he was appointed.

He might not have been seen as a specialist when they appointed him, but he was certainly brought in to save them.

Yes but that’s the same for most managers.

They weren’t looking at him other than he’d done well at a similar club.

But yes, aside from Newcastle (can’t remember where they finished in 2007), he’s started low.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Everton Mint on December 01, 2017, 07:55:26 PM
He came across well in his pre-match press conference just now.

Got to give him a chance.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Macca77 on December 01, 2017, 08:00:17 PM
Craig Shakespeare should be confirmed as coach later today with other staff to follow by the end of next week
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on December 01, 2017, 08:05:31 PM
Craig Shakespeare should be confirmed as coach later today with other staff to follow by the end of next week
Shit manager, very good coach.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Jamokachi on December 01, 2017, 08:06:15 PM
Craig Shakespeare should be confirmed as coach later today with other staff to follow by the end of next week

Sammy Lee confirmed... this, I admit, is much harder to swallow.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: van der Meyde on December 01, 2017, 08:11:48 PM
Yes but that’s the same for most managers.

They weren’t looking at him other than he’d done well at a similar club.

But yes, aside from Newcastle (can’t remember where they finished in 2007), he’s started low.
Suspect we're probably at cross purposes a little here. :)

He might rail against being seen as a survival specialist, but if he keeps taking those (no doubt lucrative) jobs then that's what he'll be seen as.

I don't buy into everything he's said, but it's nice to see him talking about European places and cup finals rather than relegation.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: sam of the south on December 01, 2017, 08:12:14 PM
Sammy Lee confirmed... this, I admit, is much harder to swallow.

Allardyce has probably done this to redirect some of the hate for him onto someone else, much in the same way the Tories use Jeremy Cunt
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Bluedylan on December 01, 2017, 08:22:32 PM
Suspect we're probably at cross purposes a little here. :)

He might rail against being seen as a survival specialist, but if he keeps taking those (no doubt lucrative) jobs then that's what he'll be seen as.

I don't buy into everything he's said, but it's nice to see him talking about European places and cup finals rather than relegation.

And so he should be. Let's not praise him for that. We could be nearly top half by 5pm tomorrow, the squads had £220m spent on it in 18 months, with the promise of much more to spend.

Bet he can't believe his luck that an institution as great as Everton has come begging cap in hand, with massive money for him and his mates, to do a job that pretty much any competent manager could do in his sleep.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Macca77 on December 01, 2017, 08:25:14 PM
Who's the other he mentioned, the tactician?
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Ross on December 01, 2017, 08:25:30 PM
And so he should be. Let's not praise him for that. We could be nearly top half by 5pm tomorrow, the squads had £220m spent on it in 18 months, with the promise of much more to spend.

Bet he can't believe his luck that an institution as great as Everton has come begging cap in hand, with massive money for him and his mates, to do a job that pretty much any competent manager could do in his sleep.

A squad that was considered to be underperforming after finishing 11th and reaching two semi finals.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Bluedylan on December 01, 2017, 08:29:41 PM
Playing devil’s advocate somewhat; what is this obsession with playing beautiful football? How many teams in the premier league are silky ball playing teams?

The School of Science is a thing most of don’t even remember. Martinez revived it for a season but that’s about it. Even Kendall’s teams were all about lumping it up to the big man and having quality players make something happen in the final third.

Nothing gets Goodison bouncing like us kicking the shit out of the opposition, winning the physical battles. We’re a working class club and we demand our players graft and show passion. Allerdyce’s will give us that. And getting the ball forward early and turning the opposition round could well be a welcome antidote to the horrible, boring as fuck possession football we’ve had to endure for the last few seasons.

This is not someone playing devil's advocate. This is your actual opinion. Don't be disingenuous, have the courage of your convictions and get behind your opinion. It's certainly not mine, as you probably know, but if you're going to argue a case, at least stand firmly behind what you've said.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: van der Meyde on December 01, 2017, 08:47:25 PM
And so he should be. Let's not praise him for that. We could be nearly top half by 5pm tomorrow, the squads had £220m spent on it in 18 months, with the promise of much more to spend.
Yes. Of course he should be.

He's been attacked by some though - not necessarily on here, mind - because they think he will oversell our struggles in an effort to make himself look bigger.

Here he is, explicitly saying we should be looking to do much more than avoid relegation from the start.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: therealdunc on December 01, 2017, 08:56:40 PM
Why are people going on about his wages still

It’s less than Koemans for a start

And your not paying it, it’s not your money. I couldn’t care less if they paid him £20 million.
Just win me the league and a cup , I don’t care about the rest
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Everton Mint on December 01, 2017, 10:35:52 PM
Playing devil’s advocate somewhat; what is this obsession with playing beautiful football? How many teams in the premier league are silky ball playing teams?

The School of Science is a thing most of don’t even remember. Martinez revived it for a season but that’s about it. Even Kendall’s teams were all about lumping it up to the big man and having quality players make something happen in the final third.

Nothing gets Goodison bouncing like us kicking the shit out of the opposition, winning the physical battles. We’re a working class club and we demand our players graft and show passion. Allerdyce’s will give us that. And getting the ball forward early and turning the opposition round could well be a welcome antidote to the horrible, boring as fuck possession football we’ve had to endure for the last few seasons.

As Allardyce said today when asked what style of football he would bring, "Hopefully a winning-style"...

That's all I want too. Pretty football is a bonus.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on December 01, 2017, 10:43:40 PM
Aye, that's exactly the point.

Like Leicester fans would be arsed about their turd style of play when they won the Prem, by defending deep for 95% of the time, and then at the right moment, lobbing it long to Mahrez and Vardy to finish more often than not and stun teams, then defend again. Of course, it would be nice to play like Barcelona when Xavi and Iniesta where in their pomp AND to win loads of games, but for now, I will just take scrappy wins until we are safe and a bit more established. Then and only then will I be arsed about rolling the turd in glitter.

And in the mean time, train Rooney up with his coaching badges for when we fuck Sam & Samny off, in 18 months :)
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Lincs Toffee on December 01, 2017, 11:12:45 PM
Who's the other he mentioned, the tactician?
Ryland Morgan
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Thomas on December 01, 2017, 11:19:04 PM
Aye, that's exactly the point.

Like Leicester fans would be arsed about their turd style of play when they won the Prem, by defending deep for 95% of the time, and then at the right moment, lobbing it long to Mahrez and Vardy to finish more often than not and stun teams, then defend again. Of course, it would be nice to play like Barcelona when Xavi and Iniesta where in their pomp AND to win loads of games, but for now, I will just take scrappy wins until we are safe and a bit more established. Then and only then will I be arsed about rolling the turd in glitter.

And in the mean time, train Rooney up with his coaching badges for when we fuck Sam & Samny off, in 18 months :)

Who's the bird in your profile pic lad?
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on December 01, 2017, 11:23:56 PM
This is not someone playing devil's advocate. This is your actual opinion. Don't be disingenuous, have the courage of your convictions and get behind your opinion. It's certainly not mine, as you probably know, but if you're going to argue a case, at least stand firmly behind what you've said.
I’ve never once stated I wanted Allerdyce or that I advocate shite football. I wanted Martinez and Koeman and championed their philosophies...and they both turned out to be shit and ineffective. I’m open to something different, especially with this limited, unbalanced and somewhat disinterested squad.

Stop being a crybaby millennial having a tantrum because his team won’t be playing like Man City. Get over yourself you ‘FIFA’ generation bellend.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Heisenberg on December 01, 2017, 11:36:08 PM
Iv never got the "it's not your money why you bothered" shout.

It's pretty simple. The more you pay on A means the less you can spend on B
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Macca77 on December 01, 2017, 11:40:32 PM
Iv never got the "it's not your money why you bothered" shout.

It's pretty simple. The more you pay on A means the less you can spend on B

Exactly, in a pickle myself over something similar, need to do a food shop but fancy a few pints first, so do i fuck the ale off and fill my fridgefreezer and cupboards full of asdas finest produce, or have a few pints and go to Aldi or Lidl instead? Its a tough one.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Simon Paul on December 02, 2017, 12:33:17 AM
Iv never got the "it's not your money why you bothered" shout.

It's pretty simple. The more you pay on A means the less you can spend on B

As a shareholder it kind of is my money as well

Ah well. If we ever have another AGM then it can be brought up
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Seahawk on December 02, 2017, 12:36:43 AM


I've never once stated I wanted Allerdyce or that I advocate shite football. I wanted Martinez and Koeman and championed their philosophies...and they both turned out to be shit and ineffective. I'm open to something different, especially with this limited, unbalanced and somewhat disinterested squad.

Stop being a crybaby millennial having a tantrum because his team won't be playing like Man City. Get over yourself you "FIFA' generation bellend.
Totally agree with this. And love the FIFA generation line.
Still smiling at that

Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Martip on December 02, 2017, 12:43:38 AM
He will get us solid and give the players that need it a kick up the backside. He also has an eye for a player so you never know.

As I've stated previously  he wasn't my first choice but I can see why he was brought in rather than taking a risk on a more fashionable name  (The last few of which haven't exactly worked out).

Let's give him a chance and see how he goes cause I've a sneaky feeling he may surprise us.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Audrey Horne on December 02, 2017, 12:44:13 AM
A squad that was considered to be underperforming after finishing 11th and reaching two semi finals.

Waaaahheyyyy!
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: BlueMaquis on December 02, 2017, 12:53:54 AM
Iv never got the "it's not your money why you bothered" shout.

It's pretty simple. The more you pay on A means the less you can spend on B

Depends on who "you" is. I doubt Richard Branson's collection of Caribbean islands meant he had to skimp on that new yacht he took a fancy to.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Macca77 on December 02, 2017, 02:15:02 AM
Xmas video

https://twitter.com/ynfafootball/status/936681664733941765
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Gash on December 02, 2017, 02:16:10 AM
Good press conference to be fair, came across well, said all the right things.

Sammy Lee though!
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Bluedylan on December 02, 2017, 02:24:34 AM
I’ve never once stated I wanted Allerdyce or that I advocate shite football. I wanted Martinez and Koeman and championed their philosophies...and they both turned out to be shit and ineffective. I’m open to something different, especially with this limited, unbalanced and somewhat disinterested squad.

Stop being a crybaby millennial having a tantrum because his team won’t be playing like Man City. Get over yourself you ‘FIFA’ generation bellend.

Wish I was a millennial and never owned FIFA. Other than that, a decent, fiesty comeback. You're clearly not hugely bright or perceptive, because you've misread me completely like, but that's no surprise. Like I said, don't be scared to get behind your own opinion. It comes across as weak and disingenuous when you pretend you're 'playing devil's advocate'.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on December 02, 2017, 03:12:45 AM
Wish I was a millennial and never owned FIFA. Other than that, a decent, fiesty comeback. You're clearly not hugely bright or perceptive, because you've misread me completely like, but that's no surprise. Like I said, don't be scared to get behind your own opinion. It comes across as weak and disingenuous when you pretend you're 'playing devil's advocate'.
I just assumed your were a kid; given how upset you got when you didn’t get your choice of manager.

Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Lxxx on December 02, 2017, 04:41:27 AM
And he’s off......

https://twitter.com/_pauljoyce/status/936725006905757696
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Macca77 on December 02, 2017, 04:43:55 AM
Beat me to it, what a fucking stupid thing to say
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: bogie on December 02, 2017, 04:51:52 AM
Beat me to it, what a fucking stupid thing to say

is he wrong
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Lxxx on December 02, 2017, 05:10:30 AM
Beat me to it, what a fucking stupid thing to say

He has an ego which isn’t commensurate with his achievements. Which are non existent.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: howard1334 on December 02, 2017, 05:15:52 AM
This is not someone playing devil's advocate. This is your actual opinion. Don't be disingenuous, have the courage of your convictions and get behind your opinion. It's certainly not mine, as you probably know, but if you're going to argue a case, at least stand firmly behind what you've said.

Come on, man. Get off of your high horse.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: toffee_scot on December 02, 2017, 05:21:25 AM
Wow, what an undignified thing to say from this new manager.

Marco Silva could simply retort that at least he's won a Portuguese Cup and Greek title.

Your turn Sam, what have you won in your 26 year managerial career?
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: BlueMaquis on December 02, 2017, 05:51:50 AM
Wow, what an undignified thing to say from this new manager.

Marco Silva could simply retort that at least he's won a Portuguese Cup and Greek title.

Your turn Sam, what have you won in your 26 year managerial career?

Yes, but Everton aren't interested in winning things, only not being relegated. Moshiri said this himself, that Allardyce will bring "stability".
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: ally2 on December 02, 2017, 06:04:10 AM
He's just standing up for himself. It's a bit embarrassing because he knows we were after Silva. But then it's a bit embarrassing for us too. He doesn't need took make the comparisons though. Everyone else can do that, if they're that bored. Sounds more like a shit journalist was trying to get a rise out of him.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Thomas on December 02, 2017, 06:05:11 AM
TBF to him I like the way, probably because he is of that generation where we where the Mersey Millionaires and big players, that he values and respects us as a club so much.

Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: toffee_scot on December 02, 2017, 06:21:20 AM
Yes, but Everton aren't interested in winning things, only not being relegated. Moshiri said this himself, that Allardyce will bring "stability".

Yeah, Moshiri sounds a little bit like Theresa May on election night.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: GLewis on December 02, 2017, 12:08:31 PM
He's just standing up for himself. It's a bit embarrassing because he knows we were after Silva. But then it's a bit embarrassing for us too. He doesn't need took make the comparisons though. Everyone else can do that, if they're that bored. Sounds more like a shit journalist was trying to get a rise out of him.

He’ll hve been asked directly about us approaching Silva first.

It’s all part of his feeling that he’s not been given an appropriate chance somewhere etc.

Got his chance to prove it now.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on December 02, 2017, 01:05:29 PM
He'll hve been asked directly about us approaching Silva first.

It's all part of his feeling that he's not been given an appropriate chance somewhere etc.

Got his chance to prove it now.
A bit too candid and honest for his own good - could’ve just said ‘doesn’t matter, I got the job’.

Mourinho levels of media manipulation? Everyone talks about the manager’s controversial comments and deflects pressure away from the players?
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: GLewis on December 02, 2017, 01:40:07 PM
A bit too candid and honest for his own good - could’ve just said ‘doesn’t matter, I got the job’.

Mourinho levels of media manipulation? Everyone talks about the manager’s controversial comments and deflects pressure away from the players?

Just think he’s got a long held grievance that he’s under appreciated as a coach (hoof ball as opposed to data driven / survival merchant as opposed to good manager).

Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Lxxx on December 02, 2017, 03:01:38 PM
Just think he’s got a long held grievance that he’s under appreciated as a coach (hoof ball as opposed to data driven / survival merchant as opposed to good manager).



Biggest job of his career now. The floor is yours big man.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: BlueForYou on December 02, 2017, 03:14:01 PM
Absolutely - let's embrace him for 18 months, short term Sam!

And give him a chance and the benefit of the doubt, in his own words:

"When the Brazilians kick the ball 40 yards, it's a great pass; when my players kick the ball 40 yards, it's a hoof up the field"

You said it, it's a passing game, Sam - school of science!

Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Mayor Farnum on December 02, 2017, 04:02:25 PM
"New low point" Quite ironic that the writer of the article was advocating Ian Holloway as our manager in the not too distant past.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: eugene on December 02, 2017, 04:17:21 PM
Exactly, in a pickle myself over something similar, need to do a food shop but fancy a few pints first, so do i fuck the ale off and fill my fridgefreezer and cupboards full of asdas finest produce, or have a few pints and go to Aldi or Lidl instead? Its a tough one.
No brainier ale house donner on the way home, repeat
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Simon Paul on December 02, 2017, 04:40:54 PM
"New low point" Quite ironic that the writer of the article was advocating Ian Holloway as our manager in the not too distant past.

Hahahahahahaha!!

And you took that seriously???

Fucking hell!!

Hahahahahahahahahahaha!!
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: BlueForYou on December 02, 2017, 05:12:16 PM
First (permanent)Anglo Everton manager for 20 years

England regrets, Everton expects - NSNO...................
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Mayor Farnum on December 03, 2017, 02:10:11 AM
Hahahahahahaha!!

And you took that seriously???

Fucking hell!!

Hahahahahahahahahahaha!!


Haha good try!
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Simon Paul on December 03, 2017, 02:36:46 AM

Haha good try!

no mate, good try yourself

me and @Bally (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=19) even recorded a piss-take podcast 18 months ago before Koeman came in where we did impressions of Holloway and it's been a running joke on our podcasts (when we do them) for several years now that it would be funny to have him in charge

but yeah, nice try.  if only it'd been more obvious for longer than a few years that I was taking the piss. 

ah well.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Gash on December 03, 2017, 03:43:06 AM
Still not over the moon about him but after the last two games certainly feeling more optimistic that we could still make a decent go at getting 7th and have a decent go at the FA Cup, there's some real dross below us in the league at the moment. I think it'll be us and Leicester battling for "best of the rest".

Let's give him and Sammy Lee a chance and see what he can do with a bit of money to spend seeing as he's always thought he was better than the clubs he's been at. Let him put his money where his mouth is and back himself to really achieve something here.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Bally on December 03, 2017, 04:32:51 AM
"New low point" Quite ironic that the writer of the article was advocating Ian Holloway as our manager in the not too distant past.
You do know that was a piss take just so Si could do his Holloway impression
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: TheTone on December 03, 2017, 04:33:51 AM
You do know that was a piss take just so Si could do his Holloway impression

is Si bald with a smig lad?
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: Simon Paul on December 03, 2017, 04:41:48 AM
is Si bald with a smig lad?

Yup
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce appointment marks new low point in Everton history
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on December 03, 2017, 03:15:32 PM
He’ll hve been asked directly about us approaching Silva first.

It’s all part of his feeling that he’s not been given an appropriate chance somewhere etc.

Got his chance to prove it now.


Thats the thing, hes now got the chance to show if he is an average manager or a good manager, if we no doubt give him a decent wad to add to and develop “his” team and his style of play. We have to stop all this slagging off of how crap sam is and how low we are to appoint him, and just get behind him and hope we get to safety soon, and WHEN we are, challenge for Europe and give it a proper go this time with a united team.

With the analfield derby coming up, imagine how different it would feel going into that game being around/in the relegation zone? Since sam joined and two wins and two clean sheets later and with us now in the top half, Im actually looking forward to it as there now feels there is nothing to lose and everything to gain from it after the past few weeks - so bring it on!