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Title: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Jamokachi on December 01, 2017, 12:29:55 PM
Starting a new thread because I think we need a clean slate.

Yes, very few of us are enthused by the appointment, but it would be folly not to get behind the man. We all want success, we all want to see the team perform, we all want wins, and we all desperately want to see a group of players that will give their all for the shirt.

I hope to god he proves all us doubters wrong and brings this group of talented individuals (because that's what they are) together, and we can really get behind him and the team.

Welcome to Everton Big Sam, show us what you're made of!

https://twitter.com/Everton/status/936302906038505472
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: therealdunc on December 01, 2017, 12:40:09 PM
I think a top half finish is what he should be aiming for and judged on this season.

Next season I think he should be judged on winning a trophy or finishing top 4/6.
Any less would be failure UNLESS he doesnít get any money to spend.
But I fully expect Steve Walsh and Sam to go into the market in a big way next summer.

Genuinely expect him to give everything into planning for next season and having a real good go at in next year.

Think about it, next season is pretty much the last chance in his life to really go for it and I think itís going to be a huge success.
Genuinely excited.

He has a tough run with 9 games in the next month, but get through that unscathed and it will be onwards and upwards.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 01, 2017, 01:29:21 PM
I want Everton to do well if we do well then I will warm to him
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Brownie20 on December 01, 2017, 01:34:04 PM
He's now our manager. I didn't want him but I will give him as much a chance as I gave RM and RK
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Sir Stealth on December 01, 2017, 01:48:29 PM
Yeah the appointment is done. He wasnít my first choice and hopefully there is a bigger plan to get the right man to move us forward when he does become available

I think the type of players that refuse to play for any manager, and the type of fans who would stay away from the game because of choice of manager are probably the ones that we want to weed out anyway

This doesnít mean that people arenít entitled to moan of course when things arenít going well, but Iím behind him and hoping he makes a success of his time here
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Bob Sacamano on December 01, 2017, 01:55:42 PM
Yeah agree. Probably as underwhelming appointment as there could be all things considered (from a personal POV). Iíve been watching his sides for a decade and theyíre mind numbing.

But heís here and thatís that. I would have liked him to have had a decent record at either of the larger clubs heís bin at, but it is what it is.

Iím astonished at the mans hubris considering heís not actually done anything, so Iím hoping that this can be used to his benefit.

Like I said heís here and thatís that. Iíll be rooting for him like I would any other manager. Fingers crossed he starts like a house on fire and we snake 3 points of the neighbours, that would go a hell of a long way for many fans.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Toddacelli on December 01, 2017, 02:18:17 PM
Everyone needs to get on this:
Now:


https://twitter.com/thebig_sam?lang=en
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: van der Meyde on December 01, 2017, 02:20:03 PM
Compared to the rest of the football world? He wouldn't have been what I'd go for.

Compared to what we had though? Well, I like/rate Allardyce more than Koeman. Allardyce is probably better suited to working with Walsh than Koeman.

We've effectively swapped 18+ months of Koeman for 18 months of Allardyce. On that basis I'm...okay with how things turned out.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Paddockoldie on December 01, 2017, 02:30:28 PM
At  least he refers to 'us' and has some understanding of what the club is and stands for... but as they say "He would say that wouldn't he?" Shame Koeman didn't but we move on.. The RS are busy making up songs for Sammy Lee as we speak
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: di_guyo on December 01, 2017, 02:33:40 PM
I think a top half finish is what he should be aiming for and judged on this season.

Next season I think he should be judged on winning a trophy or finishing top 4/6.
Any less would be failure UNLESS he doesnít get any money to spend.
But I fully expect Steve Walsh and Sam to go into the market in a big way next summer.

Genuinely expect him to give everything into planning for next season and having a real good go at in next year.

Think about it, next season is pretty much the last chance in his life to really go for it and I think itís going to be a huge success.
Genuinely excited.

He has a tough run with 9 games in the next month, but get through that unscathed and it will be onwards and upwards.


Reckon you're a year ahead here. Survive, then top half, then Europe. We're a fucking state right now
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: GLewis on December 01, 2017, 03:35:43 PM
Reckon you're a year ahead here. Survive, then top half, then Europe. We're a fucking state right now

We could be top half by the end of the weekend.

That shows the level of competition - if he sorts us out to any level of cohesion do you not expect to get more points now than Newcastle, Brighton etc?
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Macca77 on December 01, 2017, 03:37:41 PM
I'm still unconvinced, he's here now though so gotta get on with and so I will back him. I'll be the first to admit that I was wrong if he does a good job

Keeping us up doesn't mean hes done a good job by the way
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: TheRam on December 01, 2017, 03:46:46 PM
What happened to our expectations man?

People like myself need to stop being cry arses now and get behind him but let's have some standards.

Relegation and survival shouldn't even be getting discussed. Should all be about making a push for the top 8 and that's what he should be judged on.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Brownie20 on December 01, 2017, 03:52:21 PM
What happened to our expectations man?

People like myself need to stop being cry arses now and get behind him but let's have some standards.

Relegation and survival shouldn't even be getting discussed. Should all be about making a push for the top 8 and that's what he should be judged on.

Spot on. If SA is the great organiser that we are being told he should have no problem getting the best out of this squad especially with the likes of Coleman and Bolaisie to come back and signings in Jan.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Macca77 on December 01, 2017, 03:53:32 PM
Just hope he uses what common sense he has and takes the kids over to Limasol on Thursday, no point in taking a strong team, especially with a game at the Norwegian church a few days after.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: GLewis on December 01, 2017, 03:54:09 PM
Just hope he uses what common sense he has and takes the kids over to Limasol on Thursday, no point in taking a strong team, especially with a game at the Norwegian church a few days after.

Should use it so see the senior players who donít play on Saturday.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Macca77 on December 01, 2017, 03:57:13 PM
Should use it so see the senior players who donít play on Saturday.

Mirallas, Klaaseen, Sandro, Lookman and Schneiderlin, no problem with any of these going.

Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Dr. Sponge on December 01, 2017, 04:02:42 PM
I'm in the minority that wanted him in weeks ago. I'm aware that most of that minority were also WUM.. which was a bit weird.

I wanted Koeman to do well but I was never completely convinced he knew what he was doing. But ok...

He's better than Martinez.

He's better than Moyes in my opinion.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Macca77 on December 01, 2017, 04:04:29 PM
Couple of points i'd like to make for all of the doom and gloom merchants, bare with me here.

We won't go down
We've never been in danger of going down
Coleman, Bolasie and Barkley are all weeks away from fitness
We will strengthen in January
Expectations have been lowered because of the horrible form we've been in
We will finish in the top 8 quite comfortably



Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Gash on December 01, 2017, 04:17:15 PM
Now he's here we'll just need to get behind him and start spelling his surname correctly.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: jonni on December 01, 2017, 04:19:39 PM
Of course I wish him every success as the manager of our club. And I hope he goes on to smash it, and win things for us.

However, I still reserve my right to not like the bloke.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: blargins on December 01, 2017, 04:22:28 PM
Gosh I remember the same words were uttered when trump became president...
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Lxxx on December 01, 2017, 04:55:28 PM
Compared to the rest of the football world? He wouldn't have been what I'd go for.

Compared to what we had though? Well, I like/rate Allardyce more than Koeman. Allardyce is probably better suited to working with Walsh than Koeman.

We've effectively swapped 18+ months of Koeman for 18 months of Allardyce. On that basis I'm...okay with how things turned out.

Plus £10m to swap them over.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: van der Meyde on December 01, 2017, 05:20:31 PM
Plus £10m to swap them over.
Presuming that Walsh and Allardyce will be singing from the same hymn sheet, hopefully some of that can by not squandering money in the transfer window?

With hindsight, and considering I never felt relegation was a danger, would I have bothered sacking Koeman? I might think Allardyce is a better manager, but I probably wouldn't have bothered with the expense/hassle.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Toddacelli on December 01, 2017, 05:24:56 PM
https://twitter.com/TheBig_Sam/status/935849872116342784
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Toddacelli on December 01, 2017, 05:27:22 PM
This is what he tweeted after he got the sack from England:

https://twitter.com/TheBig_Sam/status/781051958757040129



https://twitter.com/TheBig_Sam/status/780861812388597760

Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Lxxx on December 01, 2017, 05:28:13 PM
I can definitely see him getting the shortest thrift of any manager I can remember. A few dodgy results, a few shite negative performances, a few boos at home....before it starts. The only difference with him is he's so arrogant he'll probably not be able to hide his disdain that the fans are questioning his methods or turning so early and he'll go on the front foot to counter it, making it worse. Of course I may be wrong but I feel it's not just his football but his character which won't endear him to Evertonians. 
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Jamokachi on December 01, 2017, 05:30:26 PM
What happened to our expectations man?

They've not gone man, but we need to get behind the here and now, as well as have desires for the future.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Jamokachi on December 01, 2017, 05:32:54 PM
Gosh I remember the same words were uttered when trump became president...

No I never ;)
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: mikey_blue on December 01, 2017, 05:35:34 PM
Everyone needs to get on this:
Now:


https://twitter.com/thebig_sam?lang=en


I've been following this for years. Some of the older tweets would have me crying.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Alanvideo on December 01, 2017, 05:53:59 PM
I can definitely see him getting the shortest thrift of any manager I can remember. A few dodgy results, a few shite negative performances, a few boos at home....before it starts. The only difference with him is he's so arrogant he'll probably not be able to hide his disdain that the fans are questioning his methods or turning so early and he'll go on the front foot to counter it, making it worse. Of course I may be wrong but I feel it's not just his football but his character which won't endear him to Evertonians. 
................you could be talking about Koeman there mate.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Lxxx on December 01, 2017, 05:59:01 PM
................you could be talking about Koeman there mate.

Koeman had the respect of fans though for the majority of his time here due to his achievements in the game. So to a certain degree fans accepted his arrogance as they thought his decisions were coming from decades of knowledge and experience at the highest level. It was only when he blatantly lost the players and the plot that things unravelled pretty quickly. I don't see Sam getting cut the slack he did from the start as he's achieved nothing but acts quite the opposite.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Macca77 on December 01, 2017, 06:07:16 PM
................you could be talking about Koeman there mate.

Koeman had a red Christmas tree, he couldn't be trusted
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: blargins on December 01, 2017, 06:28:40 PM
Koeman had a red Christmas tree, he couldn't be trusted

Hmmmm
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Hawkandro on December 01, 2017, 06:55:06 PM
Some positive words in here:

http://www.evertonfc.com/news/2017/11/30/allardyce-what-they-said
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Hawkandro on December 01, 2017, 06:57:34 PM
I am not getting in too much of a funk about Sam coming in, as I remember how chuffed I was to see we had brought Koeman in.

Hopefully Sam coming in is the footballing equivalent of Heath Ledger being announced as the Joker.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Macca77 on December 01, 2017, 07:06:20 PM
Anyone fancy going to the Liverpool legends night next Thursday at the Shankley Hotel, featuring Liverpool legend Sammy Lee
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Bluedylan on December 01, 2017, 07:07:10 PM
Really struggling with it tbh. I'll try my best not to piss and moan for the next 6 months but it won't be easy.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Brownie20 on December 01, 2017, 07:07:45 PM
Some positive words in here:

http://www.evertonfc.com/news/2017/11/30/allardyce-what-they-said


I feel a little bit better reading that
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Bluedylan on December 01, 2017, 07:14:12 PM
Some positive words in here:

http://www.evertonfc.com/news/2017/11/30/allardyce-what-they-said


Club really must be aware how this is being perceived to put stuff like that on the OS.

Also Moshiri speaking about it extensively suggests a recognition that this is at worst deeply unpopular, or at best incredibly divisive.

Moshiri couldn't say the word 'stabilise' enough. He might as well have said 'look i don't want him either but it'll do for now, and I'll get someone better as soon as I can'
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: sam of the south on December 01, 2017, 07:20:59 PM
Some positive words in here:

http://www.evertonfc.com/news/2017/11/30/allardyce-what-they-said


Now we know why the club took so long to announce it... they were collating all of these positive soundbites to counter our ire ;)
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: sam of the south on December 01, 2017, 07:22:29 PM
Club really must be aware how this is being perceived to put stuff like that on the OS.

Also Moshiri speaking about it extensively suggests a recognition that this is at worst deeply unpopular, or at best incredibly divisive.

Moshiri couldn't say the word 'stabilise' enough. He might as well have said 'look i don't want him either but it'll do for now, and I'll get someone better as soon as I can'

Haha, didn't see this before I posted above.

Great minds, @Bluedylan (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=3747)
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Macca77 on December 01, 2017, 07:31:21 PM
Presser about to start
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: blargins on December 01, 2017, 07:42:33 PM
I never knew he was a Brummie.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Alanvideo on December 01, 2017, 07:55:10 PM
Anyone fancy going to the Liverpool legends night next Thursday at the Shankley Hotel, featuring Liverpool legend Sammy Lee
..........sorry mate ,I'm sorting me sock drawer that night
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Macca77 on December 01, 2017, 08:02:46 PM
..........sorry mate ,I'm sorting me sock drawer that night

Important job for us men that, did mine the other night, very satisfying indeed
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: toffee_scot on December 01, 2017, 08:02:54 PM
Club really must be aware how this is being perceived to put stuff like that on the OS.

Also Moshiri speaking about it extensively suggests a recognition that this is at worst deeply unpopular, or at best incredibly divisive.

Moshiri couldn't say the word 'stabilise' enough. He might as well have said 'look i don't want him either but it'll do for now, and I'll get someone better as soon as I can'

Yeah Moshiri didn't look that excited as he was trying to paint a rosy picture of the new manager.

There was no big unveiling like the club did with the 'Wilkomen Koeman' campaign.

I find it quite interesting that Kenwright wasn't there, normally he's the one who unveils a manager on behalf of the Everton hierarchy.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Jamokachi on December 01, 2017, 08:03:39 PM
Really enjoyed his presser there, maybe it's just because he's more 'human' than Koeman, but I can't help but like the guy when he talks :)
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: therealdunc on December 01, 2017, 08:10:30 PM
Impressive press conference

Details on the Oldham echo website
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Alanvideo on December 01, 2017, 08:12:49 PM
When asked why Everton ? ' well it's Everton ,the name of the club says it all ' was a good answer. And he's getting a few quid too !
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Thomas on December 01, 2017, 11:55:41 PM
I have a wierd feeling he is going to break our Anfield hoodoo.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Confucius on December 02, 2017, 12:24:38 AM
Some positive words in here:

http://www.evertonfc.com/news/2017/11/30/allardyce-what-they-said


Reckon every club has that article with all these old quotes from 10 years ago about how great the man is.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: brap2 on December 02, 2017, 12:32:31 AM
Is what it is tbh, yeah I donít love it but a part of me would love it if big ugly sam could rub Everton in everyoneís faces and say fuck off look at this
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Thomas on December 02, 2017, 12:35:00 AM
Is what it is tbh, yeah I donít love it but a part of me would love it if big ugly sam could rub Everton in everyoneís faces and say fuck off look at this

Big Sam lifting the FA Cup, the whole football establishment would hate that, apart from us. Which would be nice.

Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: BlueForYou on December 02, 2017, 01:11:32 AM
Take it away, Sam - it's there for the taking

All aboard the Allardyce way

Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Tony Clifton on December 02, 2017, 01:34:52 AM
Love how he referred to Sammy Lee as "the wee man"  today.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Brownie20 on December 02, 2017, 01:37:12 AM
Love how he referred to Sammy Lee as "the wee man"  today.

Well he does drink his own piss apparently
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Macca77 on December 02, 2017, 01:53:51 AM
I have a wierd feeling he is going to break our Anfield hoodoo.

Nope, hate saying this but Salah, Mane, and the 2 Brazilian bellends scare the shit out of me, will rip our very very slow defence to shreds
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Macca77 on December 02, 2017, 02:07:41 AM
https://twitter.com/EventWithLegend/status/936648261431152640
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: mikey_blue on December 02, 2017, 02:21:03 AM
https://twitter.com/EventWithLegend/status/936648261431152640

He can do it in the summer.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: TheRam on December 02, 2017, 02:27:31 AM
'What made you come out of retirement'

'It's Everton'

Yes big Sam
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Tony Clifton on December 02, 2017, 02:46:40 AM
https://twitter.com/EventWithLegend/status/936648261431152640

£3 a pint?  Of what exactly?   ;D

Nah, welcome aboard, little Sam.  You can give Koeman a wave from the dugout tomorrow.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on December 02, 2017, 02:46:49 AM
Southgate sent his love from Russia.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: BlueForYou on December 02, 2017, 03:18:16 PM
England regrets!

Full pint Sam
Half pint Sammy
No pint Bard

A winning formula!
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Rodenplav64 on December 02, 2017, 06:36:23 PM
I am not enthused but I have been thinking about how bad Sunderland and Palace became after he left . Hopeful more than anything else .
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Thomas on December 03, 2017, 11:19:29 AM
Whats his ear piece for?
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: GLewis on December 03, 2017, 11:59:22 AM
Whats his ear piece for?

Speaking to his assistant in the stand.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: adaml on December 03, 2017, 12:01:32 PM
I think he could actually get what Everton is about. And I'm his biggest critic. But his interviews so far have been spot on and what he says is what we are saying as fans.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Thomas on December 03, 2017, 12:45:03 PM
Speaking to his assistant in the stand.
Sammy Lee was downstairs, so was Shakespeare I think?

Usually manager goes upstairs and leaves staff downstairs.

Why is being upstairs an advantage?
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: GLewis on December 03, 2017, 12:47:34 PM
Sammy Lee was downstairs, so was Shakespeare I think?

Usually manager goes upstairs and leaves staff downstairs.

Why is being upstairs an advantage?

Shakespeare was upstairs; certainly first half.

Advantage is just the same as if you or I were at pitch level compared to having a fuller picture of the pitch.

So easier to identify shape, where the spaces on the pitch are etc.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: mikey_blue on December 03, 2017, 12:55:13 PM
Sammy Lee was downstairs, so was Shakespeare I think?

Usually manager goes upstairs and leaves staff downstairs.

Why is being upstairs an advantage?

As mentioned above. Also he said it's a bit more frantic in the dugout, so he likes that it's a calmer atmosphere which enables an overview without as much bias.
Title: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: mikey_blue on December 03, 2017, 12:56:11 PM
Double post.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: adaml on December 03, 2017, 01:01:39 PM
Sammy Lee was downstairs, so was Shakespeare I think?

Usually manager goes upstairs and leaves staff downstairs.

Why is being upstairs an advantage?
Off topic but is this Thomas butler?
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: BlueNoseMike on December 03, 2017, 03:36:33 PM
I can definitely see the advantage of going upstairs. Can see so much more of a shape of a team etc. I know a lot of teams record training sessions and matches from a birds eye view exactly for this.

As a rugby league fan too this is the norm. You never see a head coach on the dug out until maybe the last 10 minutes if a game.

I can see the disadvtange of your lack of presence on sideline for the team and how this can impact them. Swings and roundabouts but I'd be upstairs first half
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Brownie20 on December 03, 2017, 03:45:02 PM
I can definitely see the advantage of going upstairs. Can see so much more of a shape of a team etc. I know a lot of teams record training sessions and matches from a birds eye view exactly for this.

As a rugby league fan too this is the norm. You never see a head coach on the dug out until maybe the last 10 minutes if a game.

I can see the disadvtange of your lack of presence on sideline for the team and how this can impact them. Swings and roundabouts but I'd be upstairs first half

Same in rugby union
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Alanvideo on December 03, 2017, 03:46:44 PM
Shakespeare went upstairs to get away from S.Lee bouncing around like a Duracell Bunny.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: everton1952 on December 03, 2017, 03:50:17 PM
I can definitely see him getting the shortest thrift of any manager I can remember. A few dodgy results, a few shite negative performances, a few boos at home....before it starts. The only difference with him is he's so arrogant he'll probably not be able to hide his disdain that the fans are questioning his methods or turning so early and he'll go on the front foot to counter it, making it worse. Of course I may be wrong but I feel it's not just his football but his character which won't endear him to Evertonians. 
Oh lor! And I was feeling quite chirpy about our prospects with Sam's team of professional experts, Lee etc. Now gloom is creeping up on me again. Thanks for that. I hope you are wrong  with your "definite" prediction of impending doom, and your obvious lack of support for the manager will come back to bite your arse.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Confucius on December 03, 2017, 04:18:13 PM
 ,
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Escla on December 03, 2017, 04:20:30 PM
,
Great post Con !
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: sam of the south on December 03, 2017, 04:40:19 PM
I don't know if it's the woozy drunken buzz of two wins, six goals scored, and two clean sheets in a week, but I'm actually finding Sam Allardyce quite cute and endearing 😬

He thinks the Europa League is actually called "the Eur-O-Fa Coop" 😁 which is similar to my daughter doing a drawing in Grandad's birthday card yesterday of a football trophy, and writing 'football trothy' on it  :hug:
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: The Analog Kid on December 03, 2017, 04:50:30 PM
Who was he contacting through the earpiece, Shakespeare?

Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: sam of the south on December 03, 2017, 04:52:59 PM
Who was he contacting through the earpiece, Shakespeare?



Yeah, but judging by the lack of expression and artistry in the football The Bard was busy 😉
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: The Analog Kid on December 03, 2017, 04:53:51 PM
Yeah, but judging by the lack of expression and artistry in the football The Bard was busy 😉

☹️
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Alanvideo on December 03, 2017, 05:19:02 PM
Yeah, but judging by the lack of expression and artistry in the football The Bard was busy 😉
............Will Shakespeare make us play right ?
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: gizzblue on December 03, 2017, 05:31:01 PM
............Will Shakespeare make us play right ?
^^^ba dum dum tish.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Redartin on December 03, 2017, 06:27:49 PM
Big Sam and Little Sam were two cunts last week and just because they put a couple of Everton coats on during the week doesn't mean they are no longer two cunts. They always will be, doesn't matter what they achieve. The sooner this sorry, sorry chapter ends the better.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: BlueForYou on December 03, 2017, 06:32:26 PM
That's told us - not one of Craig's sonnets!
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 03, 2017, 06:32:39 PM
Big Sam and Little Sam were two cunts last week and just because they put a couple of Everton coats on during the week doesn't mean they are no longer two cunts. They always will be, doesn't matter what they achieve. The sooner this sorry, sorry chapter ends the better.

Based on what exactly are they cunts
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: gizzblue on December 03, 2017, 06:37:55 PM
Big Sam and Little Sam were two cunts last week and just because they put a couple of Everton coats on during the week doesn't mean they are no longer two cunts. They always will be, doesn't matter what they achieve. The sooner this sorry, sorry chapter ends the better.
He's here for the forseable ...id make peace with your demons now before it turns you into a bitter twisted .....


oh wait 😅😅
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Heisenberg on December 03, 2017, 06:50:14 PM
I'm fickle. I like big Sam now
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: everton1952 on December 03, 2017, 07:05:45 PM
Big Sam and Little Sam were two cunts last week and just because they put a couple of Everton coats on during the week doesn't mean they are no longer two cunts. They always will be, doesn't matter what they achieve. The sooner this sorry, sorry chapter ends the better.
The sooner you crawl back into your miserable sulk hole the better.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Mayor Farnum on December 03, 2017, 08:46:23 PM
Big Sam and Little Sam were two cunts last week and just because they put a couple of Everton coats on during the week doesn't mean they are no longer two cunts. They always will be, doesn't matter what they achieve. The sooner this sorry, sorry chapter ends the better.

We're special.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Redartin on December 03, 2017, 09:08:49 PM
Based on what exactly are they cunts
My opinion.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Redartin on December 03, 2017, 09:11:19 PM
The sooner you crawl back into your miserable sulk hole the better.
Yeah yeah yawn.

Show me your friends and I'll tell you what you are. You brown nose the Sammies all you want.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 03, 2017, 09:12:01 PM
My opinion.

This might be a harder conversation than I'd hoped for..... your opinion based on what?
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Gash on December 03, 2017, 09:20:50 PM
This might be a harder conversation than I'd hoped for..... your opinion based on what?

 lolol
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Redartin on December 03, 2017, 09:38:11 PM
This might be a harder conversation than I'd hoped for.....
Tell you what, let's not have one, you take it easy and go and enjoy your Sunday. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Rodenplav64 on December 03, 2017, 09:53:18 PM
I'm fickle. I like big Sam now

Spoken like a true blue .
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Bluedylan on December 03, 2017, 11:01:54 PM
Is he defo getting a big, fuck off 'avoid relegation' bonus, and we're in the top half of the table?

Only Everton.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Brownie20 on December 03, 2017, 11:13:28 PM
Interesting- we have scored the same amount of goals as after15 games last year (19) and are only 2 points worse off than at the same point last year
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 03, 2017, 11:14:14 PM
Interesting- we have scored the same amount of goals as after15 games last year (19) and are only 2 points worse off than at the same point last year
We did go on a great run in the new year tho
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: TheRam on December 03, 2017, 11:17:16 PM
He's made up to be here.

That's all I want really. A manager who knows how big this job is and will do anything he can to make it work.

He's said all the right things and showed a lot of humility so I'm willing to let my preconceived ideas go and see what the next 18 months will bring.

Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: gizzblue on December 03, 2017, 11:21:32 PM
He's made up to be here.

That's all I want really. A manager who knows how big this job is and will do anything he can to make it work.

He's said all the right things and showed a lot of humility so I'm willing to let my preconceived ideas go and see what the next 18 months will bring.
^^^ 👏👏👏...this exactly. ...his answer to the question 'why everton' said it all really .
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Brownie20 on December 03, 2017, 11:23:15 PM
We did go on a great run in the new year tho

Here's to a little bit of History repeating
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Brownie20 on December 03, 2017, 11:23:35 PM
He's made up to be here.

That's all I want really. A manager who knows how big this job is and will do anything he can to make it work.

He's said all the right things and showed a lot of humility so I'm willing to let my preconceived ideas go and see what the next 18 months will bring.



Can't argue with that at all
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Mayor Farnum on December 03, 2017, 11:28:09 PM
He's made up to be here.

That's all I want really. A manager who knows how big this job is and will do anything he can to make it work.

He's said all the right things and showed a lot of humility so I'm willing to let my preconceived ideas go and see what the next 18 months will bring.



Yet you used the word corrupt when outlining your objection to him.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: TheRam on December 03, 2017, 11:29:54 PM
Yet you used the word corrupt when outlining your objection to him.

I don't see what that has to do with anything pal?
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 03, 2017, 11:32:35 PM
He's made up to be here.

That's all I want really. A manager who knows how big this job is and will do anything he can to make it work.

He's said all the right things and showed a lot of humility so I'm willing to let my preconceived ideas go and see what the next 18 months will bring.



I like him. Think he's passionate, aggressive and fiercely protective of his own abilities and his teams. I think he's 1 of them who annoys the fuck out of you when he's against you but the sort of character you want on your side. Think if we give him a fair chance we'll grow to appreciate him
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Mayor Farnum on December 03, 2017, 11:34:15 PM
I don't see what that has to do with anything pal?

If your objection to him becoming our manager was because you thought him corrupt surely he is still corrupt now. I can't see what he's done in four days to remove the perceived stain of corruption.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: TheRam on December 03, 2017, 11:40:53 PM
If your objection to him becoming our manager was because you thought him corrupt surely he is still corrupt now. I can't see what he's done in four days to remove the perceived stain of corruption.

He's become Everton manager and won us a game of football.

Mad how us football fans choose to ignore certain things for the sake of their team doing well.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 03, 2017, 11:43:02 PM
Don't think anyone's real objection was that he was corrupt, had a fat head or liked money. I think people just didn't rate him mainly IMO cos he's not a fashionable choice
If he does well no one will care if he takes a shit in both goalmouths before each game
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: kiwiblue65 on December 04, 2017, 12:03:17 AM
Yeah agree. Probably as underwhelming appointment as there could be all things considered (from a personal POV). I've been watching his sides for a decade and they're mind numbing.

But he's here and that's that. I would have liked him to have had a decent record at either of the larger clubs he's bin at, but it is what it is.

I'm astonished at the mans hubris considering he's not actually done anything, so I'm hoping that this can be used to his benefit.

Like I said he's here and that's that. I'll be rooting for him like I would any other manager. Fingers crossed he starts like a house on fire and we snake 3 points of the neighbours, that would go a hell of a long way for many fans.
Have you really been watching his team's or just following the flock. He has put together some strong teams with poor players generally. Thisan is understated mainy because he is English. I think he will bring back to where we want be and be long term.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: kiwiblue65 on December 04, 2017, 12:04:09 AM
Everyone needs to get on this:
Now:


https://twitter.com/thebig_sam?lang=en
Your an idiot
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: brap2 on December 04, 2017, 02:03:33 AM
Impressed so far myself.

Obviously the series of events have made it easier to swallow - Atalanta, Southampton, Unsworth, Links to OíNeill, two back to back clean sheets with 6 Goals scored...I feel a bit more relaxed about Everton which is nice.

Not sure how long I can ignore him calling Gylfi Sigurdsson ĎGundií however.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Cozzie on December 04, 2017, 02:52:18 AM
Impressed so far myself.

Obviously the series of events have made it easier to swallow - Atalanta, Southampton, Unsworth, Links to OíNeill, two back to back clean sheets with 6 Goals scored...I feel a bit more relaxed about Everton which is nice.

Not sure how long I can ignore him calling Gylfi Sigurdsson ĎGundií however.

Gudni he called him didn't he?

My guess he is getting him confused with Gudni Berrgson who I am sure he managed at Bolton.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: brap2 on December 04, 2017, 03:16:50 AM
Gudni he called him didn't he?

My guess he is getting him confused with Gudni Berrgson who I am sure he managed at Bolton.

Superb stuff. Nowhere near joe kinnear level yet but on the right track.

That said, he may not know his name but I liked all that stuff about pushing him up behind the striker so he can arrive in the box - its about bloody time. Really looking forward to what he can produce over the rest of the season.
Title: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: kramer0 on December 04, 2017, 04:44:29 AM
He had our defense holding a near perfect line after only two days in training.

That should be personally embarrassing for Koeman. He'd still have a job if we had been remotely organized this season.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: TheRam on December 04, 2017, 05:04:50 AM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/12/03/sam-allardyce-plans-appoint-evertons-first-club-psychologist/
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Bluedylan on December 04, 2017, 05:12:36 AM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/12/03/sam-allardyce-plans-appoint-evertons-first-club-psychologist/

Never known a man to have such a u-turn from saying you would sack the club off when Allardyce was linked to becoming his biggest cheerleader.

Not having a pop like. It shows you're open minded.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Brownie20 on December 04, 2017, 05:14:34 AM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/12/03/sam-allardyce-plans-appoint-evertons-first-club-psychologist/

Read that before I'd seen you posted it. Excellent idea that has been used in other sports before.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Bluedylan on December 04, 2017, 05:18:01 AM
There's definitely something about seeing someone in Everton gear, sat in the dugout at Goodison that changes things.

I'm not a fan of his, as people know, but I can already feel that changing and softening. Does that make me a hypocrite? Probably yes, but there we are.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: pjk on December 04, 2017, 05:31:33 AM
If he gets a win on Sunday, it's going to give him a lot of room to get things into order. It will set him up with the fans for weeks.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Brownie20 on December 04, 2017, 05:37:28 AM
If he gets a win on Sunday, it's going to give him a lot of room to get things into order. It will set him up with the fans for weeks.

Even a draw
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: brap2 on December 04, 2017, 06:00:02 AM
My lifeís a bit more enjoyable when I can get behind Everton.

I love a moan like, Iím sure Iíll be calling for his head some point in the next few weeks but fuck me, Iíve been so much more relaxed since we won a few games... i might even be able to enjoy this season a bit.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: ally2 on December 04, 2017, 06:18:35 AM
Last year I began to care less about Everton and football.  I don't know why.  This season has been very strange but I just realised that us not having a manager has probably been a stress - particularly going 4-5 weeks having to check for updates, seeing us getting stuffed week after week, and everyone arguing.  It's just nice to relax a little bit, even if its for a week or so.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Cozzie on December 04, 2017, 02:00:02 PM
Superb stuff. Nowhere near joe kinnear level yet but on the right track.

That said, he may not know his name but I liked all that stuff about pushing him up behind the striker so he can arrive in the box - its about bloody time. Really looking forward to what he can produce over the rest of the season.

Charles Insomnia was quite different from Joe Kinnear wasnt it? Haha.

Hopefully he does get the best out of Sig and decides to use players in the correct positions.

The problem with this squad was we where forgetting to even do the basics. He will sort that out at least, I'm sure of it.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Cozzie on December 04, 2017, 02:04:19 PM
Superb stuff. Nowhere near joe kinnear level yet but on the right track.

That said, he may not know his name but I liked all that stuff about pushing him up behind the striker so he can arrive in the box - its about bloody time. Really looking forward to what he can produce over the rest of the season.

Charles Insomnia was quite different from Joe Kinnear wasnt it? Haha.

Hopefully he does get the best out of Sig and decides to use players in the correct positions.

The problem with this squad was we where forgetting to even do the basics. He will sort that out at least, I'm sure of it.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: ajax_andy on December 04, 2017, 02:57:22 PM
I was very much against his appointment, not because he's a bad manager, just I saw it as short termism and how we'll just have to start all over again in 18 months due to him probably not being good enough to achieve our ambitions of top 4.

However just him sitting in the stands made the players play for the shirt against West Ham, then we beat Huddersfield... It's amazing what a bit of organisation can do, plus players seeing a manager with some stature in the game coming in.

I'm now actually a bit excited by the possibility of what he can do, I have a good feeling about this, we've got some serious issues in the squad issues but some very good players too... A good Jan and summer window, his organisation and authority over the squad, his excellent backroom staff.  Maybe, just maybe we'll all be surprised by what he achieves.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Mayor Farnum on December 04, 2017, 03:24:42 PM
As long as we're getting behind him, especially on match days, that's all he can ask.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: therealdunc on December 04, 2017, 03:43:31 PM
If he gets a win on Sunday, it's going to give him a lot of room to get things into order. It will set him up with the fans for weeks.

More like months
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Lazarou on December 04, 2017, 03:46:41 PM
There's definitely something about seeing someone in Everton gear, sat in the dugout at Goodison that changes things.

I'm not a fan of his, as people know, but I can already feel that changing and softening. Does that make me a hypocrite? Probably yes, but there we are.

Just makes you a Everton fan doesn't it?
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: plumber on December 04, 2017, 03:51:39 PM
Football fans are strange. From threatening of self-harm  to sheer love in a few days. Will they return to the hatred towards the "corrupt fat headed twat" after we get battered at Anfield?

I was one of the minority who were glad of his appointment but he's done shit all to prove us right or wrong so far.  And how could he?
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Sir Stealth on December 04, 2017, 03:59:00 PM
Early days but I do think heís got a good set up. Loves having a proper entourage doesnít he

Sammy Lee barking orders, Shakespeare in the stands communicating via his headset to get a different vantage point, has his own fitness and nutrition guys and gals, appointing a psychologist. Just trying to get every little advantage he can and leaving it upto experts in those fields so that he can focus purely on getting his message across to the players

Seems to be starting by trying to make the defence less leaky and the team more solid, and rightly so

I just hope he can lay a solid foundation and then add some attacking excitement into the mix to take us to the next step
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Lazarou on December 04, 2017, 04:24:34 PM
He is was never my first choice, but you can't help but admire his professionalism and methodical approach to the job. He leaves no stone unturned when it comes to maximising performance.

It's good to see.

Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: gizzblue on December 04, 2017, 04:53:37 PM
In all honesty I prefer the hypocrites than the "told you so" fuckers .😅
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Rodenplav64 on December 04, 2017, 05:00:07 PM
Football fans are strange. From threatening of self-harm  to sheer love in a few days. Will they return to the hatred towards the "corrupt fat headed twat" after we get battered at Anfield?

I was one of the minority who were glad of his appointment but he's done shit all to prove us right or wrong so far.  And how could he?

Whatever he achieves at Everton he will never achieve a small head .
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Confucius on December 04, 2017, 05:13:28 PM
Whatever he achieves at Everton he will never achieve a small head .

And you will most likely never achieve a good post.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Rodenplav64 on December 04, 2017, 05:54:00 PM
And you will most likely never achieve a good post.


Bless you my son .
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: MrWhite on December 05, 2017, 02:52:55 PM
There's definitely something about seeing someone in Everton gear, sat in the dugout at Goodison that changes things.

I'm not a fan of his, as people know, but I can already feel that changing and softening. Does that make me a hypocrite? Probably yes, but there we are.
Strange how corruption issues have suddenly stopped being mentioned. Well, weíre stuck with him now, best keep that quiet.. 🤭
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Lxxx on December 05, 2017, 03:03:37 PM
Talking to a few blues over the past week and it almost seems as if there is a feeling that Evertonians can't wait for the next manager to come in, which is weird as he's only just got here and everyone should be getting behind him, but it doesn't feel that way. Obviously no-one wants him to not do well as that would be counter intuitive but I personally think the club has panicked with this appointment and not read the situation at all well.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: JordanianEmbassy on December 05, 2017, 03:09:12 PM
Talking to a few blues over the past week and it almost seems as if there is a feeling that Evertonians can't wait for the next manager to come in, which is weird as he's only just got here and everyone should be getting behind him, but it doesn't feel that way. Obviously no-one wants him to not do well as that would be counter intuitive but I personally think the club has panicked with this appointment and not read the situation at all well.

No-one I've spoken to has got that attitude! (actually apart from one, and I haven't spoken to him, just got a few texts off him)
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Bluedylan on December 05, 2017, 03:14:01 PM
Strange how corruption issues have suddenly stopped being mentioned. Well, weíre stuck with him now, best keep that quiet.. 🤭

I've not mentioned corruption personally. My chief concern is the club and the football side, and it wasn't what I wanted at all, but he's there now, I'm clearly going to get behind the team fully, and I'll try to assess Allardyce on the evidence of what he does rather than my preconceptions.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Lxxx on December 05, 2017, 03:16:30 PM
No-one I've spoken to has got that attitude! (actually apart from one, and I haven't spoken to him, just got a few texts off him)

I've maybe phrased that incorrectly. It's more the excitement about the new Everton 'project' is on hold while we navigate the next 18 months and get back on track because let's face it, the appointment is a holding position.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: JordanianEmbassy on December 05, 2017, 04:17:09 PM
I've maybe phrased that incorrectly. It's more the excitement about the new Everton 'project' is on hold while we navigate the next 18 months and get back on track because let's face it, the appointment is a holding position.

A holding position might be the intention, but I honestly think it might work out alot better than that. Hard to speculate at this moment of course, we'll just have to wait and see. Either way, was nice not watching a complete mess on Saturday.

Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: MrWhite on December 05, 2017, 04:22:38 PM
I've not mentioned corruption personally. My chief concern is the club and the football side, and it wasn't what I wanted at all, but he's there now, I'm clearly going to get behind the team fully, and I'll try to assess Allardyce on the evidence of what he does rather than my preconceptions.

I was more pointing out that while you are changing your tune, you are acknowledging that you are doing so (and even called yourself a hypocrite  ;D) whereas many people were talking about the type of person Big Sam is before the actual appointment, and now no-one appears to be talking about that. Was more a comment on social behaviour that a discussion of your well documented opinions.  :)
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Lxxx on December 05, 2017, 04:26:51 PM
A holding position might be the intention, but I honestly think it might work out alot better than that. Hard to speculate at this moment of course, we'll just have to wait and see. Either way, was nice not watching a complete mess on Saturday.



I think he'll get us back up to parity, which is a stable 7th.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: bacon sarnie on December 05, 2017, 08:51:56 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2017/dec/05/david-squires-jurassic-world-premier-league-managers
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Danny on December 05, 2017, 09:26:00 PM
I think he's suffered with the reputation he gained from how Bolton used to beat Arsenal in particular, but also how they'd set up against the top teams.

He had that side playing some seriously good football against the teams worse than them in the league spending really small amounts of money, he then went to Newcastle and didn't really receive money to buy players and was sacked when they were about 1 point of 10th which is where Newcastle should have been finishing at that point in time and has then been a fireman since.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Mayor Farnum on December 05, 2017, 09:39:28 PM
I hope if he improves us in the next eighteen months to the point where we are best of the rest again he is given more time and money to see if he can take us further.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 05, 2017, 09:41:20 PM
I hope if he improves us in the next eighteen months to the point where we are best of the rest again he is given more time and money to see if he can take us further.

Me too. Hope we don't just look to get silva in at the end of the season if allardyce is doing okay. We've hired him. He deserves a proper shot at it
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Lxxx on December 05, 2017, 09:44:33 PM
I hope if he improves us in the next eighteen months to the point where we are best of the rest again he is given more time and money to see if he can take us further.

I think this is what he'll be aiming for. His gripe has always been that he's overlooked for jobs that had a genuine chance of challenging for anything, so this is his time to shine.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Mayor Farnum on December 05, 2017, 09:51:13 PM
I think this is what he'll be aiming for. His gripe has always been that he's overlooked for jobs that had a genuine chance of challenging for anything, so this is his time to shine.

Yes and I think he looks up for the challenge. It's why he walked away from the first contract we offered.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Simon Paul on December 05, 2017, 09:56:43 PM
oh

my

god

Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: arteta4spain on December 06, 2017, 02:05:21 AM
Big Sam and Little Sam were two cunts last week and just because they put a couple of Everton coats on during the week doesn't mean they are no longer two cunts. They always will be, doesn't matter what they achieve. The sooner this sorry, sorry chapter ends the better.
With a name like yours you must be a kopite!
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: arteta4spain on December 06, 2017, 02:08:02 AM
Don't think anyone's real objection was that he was corrupt, had a fat head or liked money. I think people just didn't rate him mainly IMO cos he's not a fashionable choice
If he does well no one will care if he takes a shit in both goalmouths before each game
Itíll be so Everton like though for him to be as good of not better than Moyes and heís been the best weíve had in a while.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Macca77 on December 06, 2017, 04:04:53 AM
oh

my

god



What the fuck is that?
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: ally2 on December 06, 2017, 04:06:34 AM
Yes I don't understand it.  First it couldn't even work out if it was an insult.  Second I don't know the song. They seem to be enjoying themselves though. 
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: BlueBeagle on December 06, 2017, 04:07:11 AM
What the fuck is that?

Clever money is on another dig at Sam over his salary
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Alanvideo on December 06, 2017, 04:55:08 AM
Yes I don't understand it.  First it couldn't even work out if it was an insult.  Second I don't know the song. They seem to be enjoying themselves though. 
.................they came from Cardiff . Brownie probably knows them .
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Tony Clifton on December 06, 2017, 06:35:58 AM
oh

my

god


What the fuck is that?

A tiny gene pool.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Cuttyblue on December 06, 2017, 07:05:38 AM
If he gets a win on Sunday, it's going to give him a lot of room to get things into order. It will set him up with the fans for weeks.

If he organizes us our first win at The tin mine for a generation, we will overreact big time (prob me included) and will be singing his praises for months not weeks
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: pjk on December 06, 2017, 07:09:27 AM
If he organizes us our first win at The tin mine for a generation, we will overreact big time (prob me included) and will be singing his praises for months not weeks



I was thinking maybe 10 or 12 weeks like. :)
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: blue1948 on December 06, 2017, 07:31:10 AM
What the fuck is that?
It is a dentist's convention .
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Brownie20 on December 07, 2017, 05:48:57 AM
.................they came from Cardiff . Brownie probably knows them .

Who do?
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on December 07, 2017, 05:54:10 AM
oh

my

god




What on earth is going on here?

Are these Everton fans or Liverpool fans?
I cant even work out if the song is a dig at Sam or not.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: MrWhite on December 07, 2017, 07:05:00 AM
Don't think anyone's real objection was that he was corrupt, had a fat head or liked money. I think people just didn't rate him mainly IMO cos he's not a fashionable choice
If he does well no one will care if he takes a shit in both goalmouths before each game
Then you would be wrong mate. My main objection to him is purely the kind of person he is, mostly due to the corruption. Couldnít care less what he looks like, or about fashions. Style of football also came into it, but if it was that alone I would have been open to the possibility of him changing up with better players.

And I would absolutely care if he started shitting on the Goodison turf regardless of the result.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on December 07, 2017, 07:16:37 AM
Didn't a Sunderland fan recently drop his kecks and shit on his seat at a match, some strange protest against the shite on the pitch?

I'm not sure how id react if Sam shit on the pitch, it would depend on the motives, if he just fancied a shite...i wouldn't be best pleased.

But if he shit just behind Klopp and got Sammy Lee to go on all fours behind Klopp, then he pushed Klopp over Lee in to the shit....I wouldn't mind that.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 07, 2017, 03:15:08 PM
Then you would be wrong mate. My main objection to him is purely the kind of person he is, mostly due to the corruption. Couldnít care less what he looks like, or about fashions. Style of football also came into it, but if it was that alone I would have been open to the possibility of him changing up with better players.

And I would absolutely care if he started shitting on the Goodison turf regardless of the result.

What corruption? What's he been found guilty of
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: gizzblue on December 07, 2017, 06:19:49 PM
What corruption? What's he been found guilty of
Having a big hat size a head like Birken and a brummie accent .
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: MrWhite on December 07, 2017, 10:08:08 PM
What corruption? What's he been found guilty of
Whatís Harvey Weinstein been found guilty of?
If youíre happy to have faith in the authorities and comfortable with Sam thatís up to you. Others have quite reasonable concerns and arenít willing to ignore these issues, and what it says about our club.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 07, 2017, 10:15:11 PM
Whatís Harvey Weinstein been found guilty of?
If youíre happy to have faith in the authorities and comfortable with Sam thatís up to you. Others have quite reasonable concerns and arenít willing to ignore these issues, and what it says about our club.

Okay what's he been accused of? There's evidence of what he did to lose the England job. He got charged with nothing because he broke no rules
Are we talking about that?
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: everton1952 on December 07, 2017, 11:22:04 PM
There are always people including some on here who swallow any shit written by shite journalists because it suits their appropriate lack of respect , which is digging dirt. Any target will do. No evidence at all that Allardyce was guilty of anything. Mr White "has reasonable concerns , and is not willing to ignore these issues" .  Well that is a problem for Mr White who of course is "whiter than white" no doubt, but is dying to believe the worst about anyone else. 
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: MrWhite on December 07, 2017, 11:30:17 PM
Okay what's he been accused of? There's evidence of what he did to lose the England job. He got charged with nothing because he broke no rules
Are we talking about that?
Stop teasing. Youíre well aware of the salient info and the multiple examples. Coyness doesnít suit you.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: everton1952 on December 07, 2017, 11:37:17 PM
Stop teasing. Youíre well aware of the salient info and the multiple examples. Coyness doesnít suit you.
What a laugh this is becoming.  "The salient info" and "multiple examples".  I wonder what that might be code for? Do tell us what the "salient info" is for starters. (The Sun or the Daily Shite?). 
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 07, 2017, 11:44:20 PM
Stop teasing. Youíre well aware of the salient info and the multiple examples. Coyness doesnít suit you.

I'm actually not. There was a suggestion he didn't play the lad who's a gangsta cos of his agent. Ravel Morrison. So shit I genuinely struggled to remember his name
Then the England thing. Was it that he was telling them how they could get round 3rd party ownership without breaking the rules. Without breaking the rules being the point. Would we not be in favour of a tevez if we didn't break any rules? Is this what we are talking about?
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: therealdunc on December 08, 2017, 01:25:16 AM
Everyone knows how to break the 3rd party rules

He was caught out by a hidden camera telling everyone what they already knew

Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: blue slug on December 08, 2017, 01:30:23 AM
He knows his legal loopholes when it comes to transfers etc, not exactly crooked as fuck just a bit shifty lol
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: bacon sarnie on December 08, 2017, 02:07:05 AM
He knows his legal loopholes when it comes to transfers etc, not exactly crooked as fuck just a bit shifty lol

Got fuckall on Harry Redknapp.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: blue slug on December 08, 2017, 02:55:19 AM
Redknapp didnít even bother with loopholes he was bent as fuck
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on December 08, 2017, 03:02:04 AM
3 out of 3 lol
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Ross on December 08, 2017, 03:36:18 AM
3 out of 3 lol

Whatís the Derby and Newcastle results Granty?

Could do with paddy power paying for Christmas if you donít mind sharing?
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on December 08, 2017, 06:22:58 AM
What's the Derby and Newcastle results Granty?

Could do with paddy power paying for Christmas if you don't mind sharing?
Erm...that was the joke.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: howard1334 on December 08, 2017, 08:41:42 AM
Pleased with his willingness to play youth. In addition to starting Holgate, Kenney, and Davies, he brough on Lookman. Also buoyed by his comments re: Holgate and Kenny after the win against Huddersfield. Spoke very highly of them both.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: brap2 on December 08, 2017, 03:28:20 PM
Pleased with his willingness to play youth. In addition to starting Holgate, Kenney, and Davies, he brough on Lookman. Also buoyed by his comments re: Holgate and Kenny after the win against Huddersfield. Spoke very highly of them both.

Hasnít got a great deal of choice atm
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: howard1334 on December 09, 2017, 04:09:50 AM
Hasnít got a great deal of choice atm

Fair.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: AllyBlue14 on December 09, 2017, 03:23:20 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FpsTduGIHrA

Just watched this, remember it from a few years ago.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on December 09, 2017, 03:31:29 PM
Sams making a big effort to be more affable, we might have got him at just the right time.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: BlueMaquis on December 09, 2017, 04:47:39 PM
Sams making a big effort to be more affable, we might have got him at just the right time.

The time he chose to finally join a club with a bit of class?
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on December 09, 2017, 04:51:21 PM
The time he chose to finally join a club with a bit of class?
You know it makes sense, he started at a NW club with plenty history so hopefully he feels it here too.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Lxxx on December 09, 2017, 06:54:37 PM
Sams making a big effort to be more affable, we might have got him at just the right time.

Looks like he's really trying hard to portray that image, probably aware of certain aspects of our fanbase who were quite vocal before his appointment. Not sure if it's genuine or not but I suppose time will tell.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Ell Capitan on December 09, 2017, 07:22:11 PM
He's not doing anything particularly differently to usual. He's just one of those characters who you tend to dislike when he's not on your side but when he is you like him. The same as people like Mourinho, Suarez, Ferguson etc.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: MarcusFenix on December 09, 2017, 08:40:45 PM
Decent interview with him on sky sports

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11671/11162178/sam-allardyce-says-everton-can-challenge-liverpool-if-they-deliver-their-best-performance
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: arteta4spain on December 09, 2017, 10:26:00 PM
I was so against him coming in but Iím warming to him more and more. Itís be so us to have a manager that divides opinion and thinking heís shite that well probably beat them tomorrow.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Morta75 on December 10, 2017, 09:36:02 PM
I have a hard time getting behind this appointment. I think this is 10 steps backwards. Ok for this season to save us and get the lads to performe, but he's on for 2 years...
Title: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: kramer0 on December 10, 2017, 10:21:43 PM
Got a point at Anfield with Cuco Martina as his only available first-team "left back.Ē Whatever role fortune may have played, that's pretty good.

More organized and less thuggish than the derby performances under Koeman.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 10, 2017, 10:24:36 PM
Wrong thread
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Polledreng on December 10, 2017, 10:25:26 PM
Have to say I`m starting to warm to Big Sam and dare I say Sammy Lee
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 10, 2017, 10:27:49 PM
Set us up perfectly today. For all their pace and movement they had 3 shots on target to our 2.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Cuttyblue on December 10, 2017, 10:42:02 PM
Big Sam.  One goal conceded.  10 scored since he's been announced.  10/12 points.

Job 1 complete: Stabilized.  No way we are a relegation threat anymore. 

Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: The Analog Kid on December 10, 2017, 10:48:44 PM
Big Sam.  One goal conceded.  10 scored since he's been announced.  10/12 points.

Job 1 complete: Stabilized.  No way we are a relegation threat anymore. 



We never were. Weíve been in worse situations with better sides around us.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: loroloco on December 10, 2017, 10:51:58 PM
Big Sam.  One goal conceded.  10 scored since he's been announced.  10/12 points.

Job 1 complete: Stabilized.  No way we are a relegation threat anymore.

after only 11 days in the job. fair to say the majority of us are relieved. we were the worst team in the league 2 weeks ago. without question in my opinion.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 10, 2017, 10:52:58 PM
We never were. Weíve been in worse situations with better sides around us.

Disagree our performances were starting to become inept. Think we were in trouble despite having lots of decent players
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Simon Paul on December 10, 2017, 10:53:24 PM
awful performance, awful tactics, lucky point but a point was better than I expected

we were let off by the fact that Klopp thought he could win it without his best players, but all he did was prove that they are overly reliant on one player - yet again

but a draw at Anfield is a draw at Anfield and anything that winds them up is good by me!
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 10, 2017, 10:55:44 PM
awful performance, awful tactics, lucky point but a point was better than I expected

we were let off by the fact that Klopp thought he could win it without his best players, but all he did was prove that they are overly reliant on one player - yet again

but a draw at Anfield is a draw at Anfield and anything that winds them up is good by me!

Never gonna give him credit are you. Restricted 1 of the best attacking teams to 3 shots on target. Tactically we got it right

Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Escla on December 10, 2017, 10:59:48 PM
Never gonna give him credit are you. Restricted 1 of the best attacking teams to 3 shots on target. Tactically we got it right

We would have lost this game 5/6 null with Koeman, fact.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: TheRam on December 10, 2017, 11:00:22 PM
Tactically spot on off the ball.

On the ball there seemed no real plan.

Having Lennon on and Rooney in the middle helped that in the second half.

Can't argue that there's a massive improvement in how line up these days.

Can't remember Pickford making many saves in the last couple of games and even Ashley Williams looks decent.

Fair play. He's probably the manager we've needed for the moment. Long term though it's yet to be seen but I'm happy with how he's conducted himself so far.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Mayor Farnum on December 10, 2017, 11:01:09 PM
awful performance, awful tactics, lucky point but a point was better than I expected

we were let off by the fact that Klopp thought he could win it without his best players, but all he did was prove that they are overly reliant on one player - yet again

but a draw at Anfield is a draw at Anfield and anything that winds them up is good by me!

Could you suggest a different set of tactics?
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Simon Paul on December 10, 2017, 11:02:07 PM
Never gonna give him credit are you. Restricted 1 of the best attacking teams to 3 shots on target. Tactically we got it right



the "on target" bit was a well-chosen statistic....

they had 23 shots

that's more wasteful than restricted
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Simon Paul on December 10, 2017, 11:03:03 PM
Could you suggest a different set of tactics?

as @TheRam (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=1602) suggests above you, actually having a tactic when we got the ball would have been a good idea

"smash it as far as you can" is not the Everton way, I'm afraid.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 10, 2017, 11:03:51 PM
Tactically spot on off the ball.

On the ball there seemed no real plan.

Having Lennon on and Rooney in the middle helped that in the second half.

Can't argue that there's a massive improvement in how line up these days.

Can't remember Pickford making many saves in the last couple of games and even Ashley Williams looks decent.

Fair play. He's probably the manager we've needed for the moment. Long term though it's yet to be seen but I'm happy with how he's conducted himself so far.

We just don't have the players offensively. Need a targetman. Need a quality winger (rather than the promising kids) and we need a playmaker. Will look so much better when the injuries clear up and we get a transfer window
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 10, 2017, 11:05:02 PM
the "on target" bit was a well-chosen statistic....

they had 23 shots

that's more wasteful than restricted

They had 3 good chances. The goal, the mane chance and the Salah header. They didn't cut us apart or get behind us. We were great defensively
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Major Clanger on December 10, 2017, 11:05:05 PM
Tactically spot on off the ball.

On the ball there seemed no real plan.

Given where we were 3 weeks ago, I'd say this is fair enough. If we'll be in the same position 3 months later, that will be worrying.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Major Clanger on December 10, 2017, 11:06:28 PM
the "on target" bit was a well-chosen statistic....

they had 23 shots

that's more wasteful than restricted

On the other hand, most of their shots were either wild, hopeful punts or blocked.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Simon Paul on December 10, 2017, 11:07:03 PM
They had 3 good chances. The goal, the mane chance and the Salah header. They didn't cut us apart or get behind us. We were great defensively

23 attempts on goal and 3 on target is wasteful, you can argue that - because it's you and you will - but you're wrong.

Cuco Martina wants your number though, he's finally found someone who thinks he's great defensively!
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Simon Paul on December 10, 2017, 11:07:20 PM
On the other hand, most of their shots were either wild, hopeful punts or blocked.

yes, wasteful
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: blargins on December 10, 2017, 11:09:05 PM
as @TheRam (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=1602) suggests above you, actually having a tactic when we got the ball would have been a good idea

"smash it as far as you can" is not the Everton way, I'm afraid.


This result reminds me of the Bayern manager's "this is not how you play football" quote.

Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Major Clanger on December 10, 2017, 11:09:11 PM
yes, wasteful

Or well marshalled. It depends on your viewpoint really.

But no matter how well you keep your opponent at bay in general, having a Martina-shaped hole in your back 4 is always going to cause trouble. That's the immediate challenge.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: The Analog Kid on December 10, 2017, 11:10:23 PM
We just don't have the players offensively. Need a targetman. Need a quality winger (rather than the promising kids) and we need a playmaker. Will look so much better when the injuries clear up and we get a transfer window

Bolasie will be a welcome return on the left, as will Baines, even though the latter is a tad leggy these days, but itís a much better, assured option than Martina.

Striker is priority.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Mayor Farnum on December 10, 2017, 11:10:45 PM
as @TheRam (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=1602) suggests above you, actually having a tactic when we got the ball would have been a good idea

"smash it as far as you can" is not the Everton way, I'm afraid.

Our tactic was to hit the front man early. When we tried to pass the ball about in our own half and midfield we were pressed so quickly and gave the ball away too near our own goal. The system will be better when we have a decent target man. Like those target men Howard Kendall loved so much; the Everton way,
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 10, 2017, 11:10:52 PM
23 attempts on goal and 3 on target is wasteful, you can argue that - because it's you and you will - but you're wrong.

Cuco Martina wants your number though, he's finally found someone who thinks he's great defensively!

They were wasteful with possession not chances. Their problem was they were having shots when they really didn't have a chance to score

At some stage you might have to admit he's doing a good job.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Simon Paul on December 10, 2017, 11:11:13 PM

This result reminds me of the Bayern manager's "this is not how you play football" quote.



*that* way of playing was perfect.  silky on the ball, smashing players everywhere in the tackle.  Cuco Martina has got those things the wrong way round.  Silk in the tackle, smashing the ball everywhere.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: The Analog Kid on December 10, 2017, 11:11:31 PM
Or well marshalled. It depends on your viewpoint really.

But no matter how well you keep your opponent at bay in general, having a Martina-shaped hole in your back 4 is always going to cause trouble. That's the immediate challenge.

He didnít help Williamsí cause much, just when Williams is having a good run he gets left exposed and has to do twice the job.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Cuttyblue on December 10, 2017, 11:13:13 PM
Tactically spot on off the ball.

On the ball there seemed no real plan.

Having Lennon on and Rooney in the middle helped that in the second half.

Can't argue that there's a massive improvement in how line up these days.

Can't remember Pickford making many saves in the last couple of games and even Ashley Williams looks decent.

Fair play. He's probably the manager we've needed for the moment. Long term though it's yet to be seen but I'm happy with how he's conducted himself so far.

Right.  This was the right choice to bring Sam on to lead us here.  It's obvious we're going to be safely mid-table, so now we can push everything we've got to the FA Cup.

Big opportunity for Allardyce this summer and especially next season.  Long way to go to convince us he's the long-term manager we need.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: The Analog Kid on December 10, 2017, 11:13:51 PM
Will you ever warm to Allardyce/Lee @Simon Paul (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=1) ?

Genuine question like, not a sarky one.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Simon Paul on December 10, 2017, 11:14:31 PM
They were wasteful with possession not chances. Their problem was they were having shots when they really didn't have a chance to score

At some stage you might have to admit he's doing a good job.


yes

when he has proven he is

he's managed 3 games.  well, 2 he was actually involved in.

we were pretty shit against Huddersfield in the first half, and we were shit against Liverpool for 70 minutes today.

but 4 points in the league is sound from two games, you can't argue with that.

I'll give him 10 games eh?  Like we do when managers are proper shit but you people don't want him sacked so they say to give him ten more games?

as Ram said as well, he's probably what we need at the moment and in the short term, but fuck me how bad are things when you NEED Sam Allardyce in charge?  and how bad will it be when we get to the stage where we need someone better but he's given a big contract because he's not Ronald Koeman.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Simon Paul on December 10, 2017, 11:16:12 PM
Will you ever warm to Allardyce/Lee @Simon Paul (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=1) ?

Genuine question like, not a sarky one.

I don't want to have to.

He can come in, stop us from being Koeman's shite, and fuck off and let a proper manager come in and take us forward to a level he's never been at before.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: blargins on December 10, 2017, 11:16:17 PM
*that* way of playing was perfect.  silky on the ball, smashing players everywhere in the tackle.  Cuco Martina has got those things the wrong way round.  Silk in the tackle, smashing the ball everywhere.

haha yes true.

But this has equally pissed the opposition manager off and it's even funnier.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Simon Paul on December 10, 2017, 11:16:51 PM
haha yes true.

But this has equally pissed the opposition manager off and it's even funnier.

oh yeah, Klopp is a decision away from meltdown
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: The Analog Kid on December 10, 2017, 11:16:58 PM
I don't want to have to.

He can come in, stop us from being Koeman's shite, and fuck off and let a proper manager come in and take us forward to a level he's never been at before.

Whoís you preferred choice?
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Cuttyblue on December 10, 2017, 11:17:57 PM
I don't want to have to.

He can come in, stop us from being Koeman's shite, and fuck off and let a proper manager come in and take us forward to a level he's never been at before.

Si,

Permit me to put you on the spot:

Everton finishes 6-7th next year and returns to European competition - basically Allardyce returns us to where we ought to be in a season and a half.

Would you support a contract extension for Allardyce?
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: therealdunc on December 10, 2017, 11:18:04 PM
Big Sam did to Klopp what Ferguson did to Rafa

He made him crack up

For that I will forever be grateful
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 10, 2017, 11:18:52 PM
yes

when he has proven he is

he's managed 3 games.  well, 2 he was actually involved in.

we were pretty shit against Huddersfield in the first half, and we were shit against Liverpool for 70 minutes today.

but 4 points in the league is sound from two games, you can't argue with that.

I'll give him 10 games eh?  Like we do when managers are proper shit but you people don't want him sacked so they say to give him ten more games?

as Ram said as well, he's probably what we need at the moment and in the short term, but fuck me how bad are things when you NEED Sam Allardyce in charge?  and how bad will it be when we get to the stage where we need someone better but he's given a big contract because he's not Ronald Koeman.

I think he's a great manager. Not fashionable but clubs improve with him there and struggle when he goes.
Never done a bad job and people talk as if he's useless. I like him. Though I did suggest we sign balotelli so there's a chance I might be a lunatic
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Simon Paul on December 10, 2017, 11:19:53 PM
Whoís you preferred choice?

someone with a fancy foreign name and a bit of a beard who wears a raincoat

I'd have put Dyche in where Allardyce is now though.  Gets his teams playing in actual formations, takes no shit, sorts out defences, but is young and hungry enough to want to push forward.

If Silva proves he can work well at Watford then wouldn't be averse to him, but he's not number one.

Thomas Tuchel would be my first choice to take over from Allardyce, but it would be in May 2018, not 2019.  Stop the rot, move on.  Sharpish.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 10, 2017, 11:21:04 PM
I don't want to have to.

He can come in, stop us from being Koeman's shite, and fuck off and let a proper manager come in and take us forward to a level he's never been at before.

Like who? What level has Silva been at? He won a league with a side that won 9 leagues in 10 years.

You're point blank refusing to give him a fair chance. So far so good. Why would you want him to fuck off. Surely we want him to succeed
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Simon Paul on December 10, 2017, 11:21:13 PM
Si,

Permit me to put you on the spot:

Everton finishes 6-7th next year and returns to European competition - basically Allardyce returns us to where we ought to be in a season and a half.

Would you support a contract extension for Allardyce?

Nope, he's far too old and....

I think he's a great manager. Not fashionable but clubs improve with him there and struggle when he goes.
Never done a bad job and people talk as if he's useless. I like him. Though I did suggest we sign balotelli so there's a chance I might be a lunatic

he's a capable manager for teams like Palace, Sunderland, West Ham and Bolton.

but so is David Moyes.

We are none of those clubs.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on December 10, 2017, 11:23:17 PM
We never were. We've been in worse situations with better sides around us.
Before he joined:

- Only won 3 of 13 league games
- No away win in almost a year
- conceded first in 16 of 17 games

Thatís relegation form.

It was a possibility, letís not pretend it wasnít.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: AllyBlue14 on December 10, 2017, 11:25:32 PM
as @TheRam (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=1602) suggests above you, actually having a tactic when we got the ball would have been a good idea

"smash it as far as you can" is not the Everton way, I'm afraid.

Unfortunately the Everton way in recent derbies has been to get twatted, conceding 3 or 4 in the process.

From where we were a couple of weeks ago, to limit them to 3 shots on target is a miracle really - yes, they may have been wasteful with a couple in particular, but we certainly restricted the amount of clear-cut chances.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Mayor Farnum on December 10, 2017, 11:27:57 PM
Allardyce is too honest for his own good. He plays direct football and is happy to admit it. It makes fans think he's the only one doing it.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Cuttyblue on December 10, 2017, 11:31:29 PM
Nope, he's far too old and....

he's a capable manager for teams like Palace, Sunderland, West Ham and Bolton.

but so is David Moyes.

We are none of those clubs.

Asked and answered, Ta.

I just want to win, I want to beat top clubs like the rs several times a year, I want to see Rooney lift a cup.  If unfashionable Big Sam can do that, I am onboard - choo choo.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Simon Paul on December 10, 2017, 11:35:50 PM
Asked and answered, Ta.

I just want to win, I want to beat top clubs like the rs several times a year, I want to see Rooney lift a cup.  If unfashionable Big Sam can do that, I am onboard - choo choo.

that's what we all want mate

I'll celebrate the same as anyone else if Allardyce is our manager when it happens as well by the way!
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Bluedylan on December 10, 2017, 11:36:12 PM
Today was about pragmatism and we come out of it much happier than them, which is genuinely all that matters.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: toffee_scot on December 10, 2017, 11:39:31 PM
Wow haha, Klopp was fucking rattled in that post match interview.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: pjk on December 10, 2017, 11:39:58 PM
I don't want to have to.

He can come in, stop us from being Koeman's shite, and fuck off and let a proper manager come in and take us forward to a level he's never been at before.




But you don't have to. He's just avoided what the whole world considered would be our greatest humiliation ever. Do you want the School of Science? Be patient. It takes times like this to provide the perspective. You want a cure for madness and are listening to the mad.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: blargins on December 11, 2017, 12:13:22 AM
Love the end of Sam's interview.

"I'm enjoying tonight, Newcastle can wait til tomorrow."

One thing I do notice about him though, he never says "us". It's always "Everton." Whether that's because of the short term contract or what, I'm not sure. But I do think he cares.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: therealdunc on December 11, 2017, 12:18:38 AM
If we can average a point with our full strength team away from home at the top 4 clubs then we are doing very well.

To manage a point with 5 major injuries and a terrible right back playing left back is even better.

Time for some of the haters to give Big Sam some credit for getting a point against the odds
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Escla on December 11, 2017, 12:54:48 AM
Love the end of Sam's interview.

"I'm enjoying tonight, Newcastle can wait til tomorrow."

One thing I do notice about him though, he never says "us". It's always "Everton." Whether that's because of the short term contract or what, I'm not sure. But I do think he cares.

In that same interview which I agree was brilliant he says "us" on several occasions, the only time he refers to "Everton" is when he says something like "if anyone wants to see a great example of an academy they should look at the Everton acadamy.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: blargins on December 11, 2017, 12:57:30 AM
In that same interview which I agree was brilliant he says "us" on several occasions, the only time he refers to "Everton" is when he says something like "if anyone wants to see a great example of an academy they should look at the Everton acadamy.

Fair enough, I must have missed that. I like him though.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Shropshire Blue on December 11, 2017, 01:59:17 AM
Fair enough, I must have missed that. I like him though.
He grew on me quite a lot about about 5 past 4 this afternoon! Koppites and pundits giving Klopp a hard time on local radio phone in.
There was a refreshing resilience in our defending today that I haven't really seen since Moyes left. Every stat will show why 'they' should have won but any neutral would say that defence deserved the point. A margarita to celebrate now. Bring on the cup game.:-)
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Faceatthefence on December 11, 2017, 04:00:35 AM
The whole team S.A has brought in gives me real reason for optimism going forward,no matter how long he,s here i think with the people in place i just get the feeling attention to detail is paramount.This is basically the group that were trusted in the national team,and forgetting all past allegiances i think were in good hands.Looks also from the outside that despite reservations on Walsh,he to looks happier amongst our team of manager and coaches.You just never know in football but perhaps with the right recruitment,S.A.could well exceed all our expectations and surprise people like me who was sceptical about the mans appointment.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: BlueBeagle on December 11, 2017, 04:03:12 AM
Made me laugh when the camera cut to hin early in the 1st and he's shouting "Get the fuck over here" to someone.

Can't knock the fella so far.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: therealdunc on December 11, 2017, 04:12:05 AM
Made me laugh when the camera cut to hin early in the 1st and he's shouting "Get the fuck over here" to someone.

Can't knock the fella so far.

I was suprised they put that out on TV !

Sam was really aggressive towards them from the touch line, no doubt he cares
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Macca77 on December 11, 2017, 05:56:04 AM
https://twitter.com/moppymartin/status/939995509296594945
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: brap2 on December 11, 2017, 06:18:06 AM
Wasnít an enjoyable watch but you have to say credit to him for getting them so well drilled in such a short space of time. Even if you are very anti Big Sam, credit goes to him today for shoring up one of the most shambolic back lines weíve ever seen.

Going forward it was fucking turgid, Big Sam nightmare stuff. But we got a jammy one and thems the breaks.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on December 11, 2017, 06:23:09 AM
I have a feeling we will see a beautiful rivalry develop between Klopp and Allardyce over the next 12-18 months.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: bacon sarnie on December 11, 2017, 08:53:16 AM
Made me laugh when the camera cut to hin early in the 1st and he's shouting "Get the fuck over here" to someone.

Can't knock the fella so far.

Ace that. Old school. Commentators were being proper anti-Everton cunts at the time as well. Then Sammy Lee pops up and the Kopites start howling. Preamble to Klopp making a proper cock of himself. Can't wait til we knock them out the cup.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Shogun on December 11, 2017, 08:59:19 AM
If we play like that in the cup match then I'll be a bit less forgiving.

Considering we shipped nine goals in two matches only a couple of week ago though, I think we can let it slide considering we ended up getting a point.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: GLewis on December 11, 2017, 12:20:45 PM
If we play like that in the cup match then I'll be a bit less forgiving.

Considering we shipped nine goals in two matches only a couple of week ago though, I think we can let it slide considering we ended up getting a point.

I donít really expect not to go and defend.

Utd certainly do it there, Chelsea do it there (but have much better CF option and players who can run 50 yards up the pitch with the ball) etc.

City are good enough to keep the ball - Arsenal get walloped regularly.

Everyone else defends.

Think the plan was that the two big / fast runners would already be in the channels.

Problem was that it rarely went to DCL first half and Niasse was awful.

Plus we still canít seem, despite different managers and players, to find enough players who can do the basics going forward when we go there.

Even Pickford was lashing it out play more often than not.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: bluenuck on December 11, 2017, 12:32:16 PM
Cholesterol face has done one thing for me. He's made me realize who is playing where when I turn the game on. We have players playing in positions, and playing as a unit.

Gueye for example. First 7-8 games I couldn't tell what position he was playing. One minute he's making a tackle on the left touch line and the next he's over on the right wing with the ball.

With Cholesterol face Our players are playing, and staying, in position, and our players are communicating with each other.

It's not pretty, but it's giving us a chance to get results.

Going forward though we need to get much better. So we don't have to rely on basically parking the bus.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: BlueBeagle on December 11, 2017, 12:54:31 PM
Cholesterol face is one of the most embarrassing things I've seen on here since people thinking Mourinho was a genuine option to replace Martinez
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: bluenuck on December 11, 2017, 01:09:18 PM
Cholesterol face is one of the most embarrassing things I've seen on here since people thinking Mourinho was a genuine option to replace Martinez

So we're not goin with that name then?
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Escla on December 11, 2017, 01:26:15 PM
So we're not goin with that name then?

Probably the most ridiculous non sensicle name ever.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Cozzie on December 11, 2017, 01:37:38 PM
So we're not goin with that name then?


It was a bit shite to be honest mate.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: The Analog Kid on December 11, 2017, 01:53:45 PM
Made me laugh when the camera cut to hin early in the 1st and he's shouting "Get the fuck over here" to someone.

Can't knock the fella so far.

Mason Holgate.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: The Analog Kid on December 11, 2017, 01:56:07 PM
So we're not goin with that name then?


No. Maybe go with Big Sam, or just Sam. But Cholesterol Face is really shit.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Macca77 on December 11, 2017, 02:07:22 PM
https://twitter.com/ScottyCov/status/939866069057105920
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: GoodisonPk on December 11, 2017, 02:25:15 PM
I donít really expect not to go and defend.

Utd certainly do it there, Chelsea do it there (but have much better CF option and players who can run 50 yards up the pitch with the ball) etc.

City are good enough to keep the ball - Arsenal get walloped regularly.

Everyone else defends.

Think the plan was that the two big / fast runners would already be in the channels.

Problem was that it rarely went to DCL first half and Niasse was awful.

Plus we still canít seem, despite different managers and players, to find enough players who can do the basics going forward when we go there.

Even Pickford was lashing it out play more often than not.

On Pickford I'm thinking he was doing that on purpose so they have to throw it in every time. Could be wrong though.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: brap2 on December 11, 2017, 03:15:41 PM
I donít really expect not to go and defend.

Utd certainly do it there, Chelsea do it there (but have much better CF option and players who can run 50 yards up the pitch with the ball) etc.

City are good enough to keep the ball - Arsenal get walloped regularly.

Everyone else defends.

Think the plan was that the two big / fast runners would already be in the channels.

Problem was that it rarely went to DCL first half and Niasse was awful.

Plus we still canít seem, despite different managers and players, to find enough players who can do the basics going forward when we go there.

Even Pickford was lashing it out play more often than not.

Yup, this is it. Nothing they would like more than for us to come out and try and attack them. The blueprint to frustrate them is pretty clear, we lacked some quality in goin forward yesterday unfortunately is the only issue.

Plus for most of my life Iíve been hearing Ďah yous played for a draw thereí after derbies so Iím not sure how much more different we did other than a better job of it.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: TheRam on December 11, 2017, 03:48:30 PM
Not a fan of bringing a third centre half on at all.

Don't think it's been a needed sub in both games he's made it.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: The Analog Kid on December 11, 2017, 03:50:19 PM
I donít really expect not to go and defend.

Utd certainly do it there, Chelsea do it there (but have much better CF option and players who can run 50 yards up the pitch with the ball) etc.

City are good enough to keep the ball - Arsenal get walloped regularly.

Everyone else defends.

Think the plan was that the two big / fast runners would already be in the channels.

Problem was that it rarely went to DCL first half and Niasse was awful.

Plus we still canít seem, despite different managers and players, to find enough players who can do the basics going forward when we go there.

Even Pickford was lashing it out play more often than not.

Some of the reds I know were saying we were the worst team to go there. I thought United did less when they went. They had one shot on target I think plus they didnít score.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Danny on December 11, 2017, 04:21:11 PM
Not a fan of bringing a third centre half on at all.

Don't think it's been a needed sub in both games he's made it.

Against Huddersfield it shored us up even more so and got an extra CB minutes in his system.

Didnít watch the Liverpool game so couldnít comment but I have to say iíd basically written off the team until the window opened before Sam came in.

Any possible points he can scrap together between now and then he should get credit for whether itís playing attacking football or bringing more defenders on.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: GLewis on December 11, 2017, 04:35:37 PM
Not a fan of bringing a third centre half on at all.

Don't think it's been a needed sub in both games he's made it.

Iím sure heíd point to them having no decent efforts after it, whereas before theyíd missed some ok chances.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Simon Paul on December 11, 2017, 05:28:49 PM
Some of the reds I know were saying we were the worst team to go there. I thought United did less when they went. They had one shot on target I think plus they didnít score.

none of them realise that they failed to beat us do they?

calling us the worst team they've faced yet they couldn't win....story of their lives isn't it really
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: brap2 on December 11, 2017, 05:32:34 PM
none of them realise that they failed to beat us do they?

calling us the worst team they've faced yet they couldn't win....story of their lives isn't it really

Iíve been absolutely loving the fume.

Considering this is the best side to walk on grass and is managed by the spirit of shanks himself...didnít cause us many problems imo.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Simon Paul on December 11, 2017, 05:37:43 PM
Iíve been absolutely loving the fume.

Considering this is the best side to walk on grass and is managed by the spirit of shanks himself...didnít cause us many problems imo.

except Salah giving almost everyone a heart attack every time he went up against Martina!

Henderson showed why he was dropped though, and Klopp got his eye wiped for showing a complete lack of respect and assuming he could strut around winning the derby with a weakened team.

they were poor, but could still have beaten us heavily if they'd been more clinical.  Had Mane squared his chance that could easily have seen heads drop and the floodgates open - again.

still made up it hurts them though!
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 11, 2017, 05:39:22 PM


still made up it hurts them though!
What's been good tho is they haven't shown how much it hurts, they have all kept it together and acted with class and dignity................
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: brap2 on December 11, 2017, 05:53:24 PM
except Salah giving almost everyone a heart attack every time he went up against Martina!

Henderson showed why he was dropped though, and Klopp got his eye wiped for showing a complete lack of respect and assuming he could strut around winning the derby with a weakened team.

they were poor, but could still have beaten us heavily if they'd been more clinical.  Had Mane squared his chance that could easily have seen heads drop and the floodgates open - again.

still made up it hurts them though!

Yeah, we deffo got away with it but their palpable hubris is really enjoyable.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: gizzblue on December 11, 2017, 05:58:21 PM
The very best thing about yesterday .....we have shown others how to beat their system ....I see a lot of frustration for the shite over the next month .😅😅😅
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 11, 2017, 06:32:47 PM
I never heard this, can anyone verify it?

Quote
The weekend was topped off by Phil Thompsons claim that Liverpool are everyoneís second favourite team

If true it just shows the absolute levels of delusion that they operate on
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: The Analog Kid on December 11, 2017, 06:36:23 PM
none of them realise that they failed to beat us do they?

calling us the worst team they've faced yet they couldn't win....story of their lives isn't it really

They love to spit the dummy out, more so as we didnít roll over.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Ross on December 11, 2017, 06:37:55 PM
I never heard this, can anyone verify it?
If true it just shows the absolute levels of delusion that they operate on

Wonder how he explains away the fact that nearly 3 years after Gerrard slipped over and probably lost them the first league title in 30 years crowds up and down the country love reminding them of it whenever they play them?
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: The Analog Kid on December 11, 2017, 06:38:11 PM
I never heard this, can anyone verify it?
If true it just shows the absolute levels of delusion that they operate on

It was Mark Lawrenson that said it
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Simon Paul on December 11, 2017, 06:40:50 PM
It was Mark Lawrenson that said it

he also said they were "the best team in the Premier League"
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: The Analog Kid on December 11, 2017, 06:41:40 PM
he also said they were "the best team in the Premier League"

Well, they are only about twenty behind City.....
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Simon Paul on December 11, 2017, 06:43:42 PM
Well, they are only about twenty behind City.....

16 now isn't it?

they've scored more in Europe though, which I think counts at the end of the Premier League season?
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: gizzblue on December 11, 2017, 06:45:23 PM
16 now isn't it?

they've scored more in Europe though, which I think counts at the end of the Premier League season?
Ahhh kopite ethics 😅
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: The Analog Kid on December 11, 2017, 07:39:03 PM
16 now isn't it?

they've scored more in Europe though, which I think counts at the end of the Premier League season?

No, cos they ďwon it five timesĒ they get the deficit made up.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Bally on December 11, 2017, 08:50:53 PM
https://twitter.com/ScottyCov/status/939866069057105920
Fucking hell long time since we seen anything like that, beside unsworth mind
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Bally on December 11, 2017, 08:53:11 PM
I never heard this, can anyone verify it?
If true it just shows the absolute levels of delusion that they operate on
It was Mark lawrenson
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Bluedylan on December 11, 2017, 08:56:30 PM
A lot of neutrals are seeing through Klopp now, which is nice to see. Completely lost his head not for the first time, and fucked up the team selection, no question.

The collective fume of that lot in general has been massively amusing and has made the point much, much sweeter. It's so enjoyable to be part of something that has genuinely hurt a lot of them.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: bluenuck on December 11, 2017, 08:58:14 PM
It was a bit shite to be honest mate.

Well it wasn't my idea to be honest.

I think it it's actually funny.

Oh well.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: GoodisonPk on December 11, 2017, 09:08:46 PM
I'm loving this. Actually looking forward us going back for the cup now. Imagine we get the same result again 😂
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Bluedylan on December 11, 2017, 10:08:32 PM
Can't stand them normally but sounds like Durham and Gough will be slagging Klopp off and massively winding up the RS for the next hour. Well worth a listen.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Macca77 on December 11, 2017, 10:27:42 PM
Can't stand them normally but sounds like Durham and Gough will be slagging Klopp off and massively winding up the RS for the next hour. Well worth a listen.

They're already kicking off on twitter
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: TheRam on December 11, 2017, 10:34:49 PM
Liverpool fans are absolute fucking scum
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Macca77 on December 11, 2017, 10:40:29 PM
he also said they were "the best team in the Premier League"

He has also not predicted them to lose a game for over 2 years on his BBC Sports predictions page
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Macca77 on December 11, 2017, 10:43:36 PM
Liverpool fans are absolute fucking scum

Steady on, they're the worlds greatest fans, they know everything about football, they make flags and banners and everything and hand song sheets out to eachother before every home game, basically they're right about everything all the time, everyone else in the world is wrong and bitter and mean and nasty
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on December 11, 2017, 10:58:44 PM
They used to be more a less like us, but nowadays they are lower than snake shit.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Lxxx on December 11, 2017, 11:44:50 PM
Not a fan of bringing a third centre half on at all.

Don't think it's been a needed sub in both games he's made it.
I think he's just been trying to build a bit of momentum, make sure we get the points on the board and then work from there. Both times it's worked so the results speak for themselves.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Trowel on December 11, 2017, 11:49:01 PM
It was a bit of a Moyes move, bringing on a centre half in the dying minutes to protect a point.

I seem to remember it often backfired, as we had no out ball. We solved that yesterday by kicking directly into touch as often as possible...
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Thornton_19 on December 12, 2017, 12:34:35 AM
Liverpool fans are absolute fucking scum
The lot of them are bi-polar wools
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: gizzblue on December 12, 2017, 04:00:35 AM
They used to be more a less like us, but nowadays they are lower than snake shit.
They used to be scousers among the Norwegians ....but thats well watered down since the new bus shelter end.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: TheTone on December 12, 2017, 04:05:02 AM
Made up to see Aldo getting wound up in this red shite supporting rag over here

https://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/premier-league/liverpool/john-aldridge-why-the-sam-allardyce-myth-is-a-load-of-old-nonsense-36398440.html
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: gizzblue on December 12, 2017, 04:15:10 AM
Made up to see Aldo getting wound up in this red shite supporting rag over here

https://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/premier-league/liverpool/john-aldridge-why-the-sam-allardyce-myth-is-a-load-of-old-nonsense-36398440.html
The same Aldo who moaned about Southampton not letting VVD leave .(to allegedly wanting to better himself)...but condeming Cuntinho for wanting out(for wanting the same)😅😅😅...pahHahahha .. the fume is sweet as fuck.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Confucius on December 12, 2017, 04:27:42 AM
Made up to see Aldo getting wound up in this red shite supporting rag over here

https://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/premier-league/liverpool/john-aldridge-why-the-sam-allardyce-myth-is-a-load-of-old-nonsense-36398440.html

Some of what he says about Allardyce is true bu this bit was rich.
Quote
Iím not fan of the man who revels in his own ego
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: TheRam on December 12, 2017, 04:31:51 AM
Classic Aldo.

Has the horse abuser piped up yet?

Just need him for the full house.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Macca77 on December 12, 2017, 04:32:35 AM
Redshite fans are still crying about the result, its funny to read
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: 74Blue on December 12, 2017, 04:40:37 AM
Classic Aldo.

Has the horse abuser piped up yet?

Just need him for the full house.
It will be a while before we hear from Mick Quinn. He's still busy robbing pies out of Big Sam's fridge, the fat cunt!
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: pjk on December 12, 2017, 05:11:10 AM
All Aldridge is doing is stirring up the shit. Any trouble, any disharmony he can create to give EFC problems, well, he'll try it. It won't be long before they turn on their legend Sammy Lee. I will say it was really weird watching him jumping up and down when Rooney scored though. Who could have predicted that happening 6 months ago? ;D
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Alanvideo on December 12, 2017, 05:25:48 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/dec/11/everton-sam-allardyce-first-team-squad-questioned-transfer-window-new-striker
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: The Analog Kid on December 12, 2017, 05:30:03 AM
Classic Aldo.

Has the horse abuser piped up yet?

Just need him for the full house.

I love trolling him on Twitter. I just wish heíd reply.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: therealdunc on December 12, 2017, 05:36:05 AM
Also really bitter about Everton and Big Sam.

Itís as if Allardyce should have let Liverpool win, how dare he make a poor injury hit Everton team hard to beat!
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Ross on December 12, 2017, 06:20:15 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/dec/11/everton-sam-allardyce-first-team-squad-questioned-transfer-window-new-striker

Heís making it sound very easy but some of the wages weíve been handing out recently will be a big obstacle to easing these players out the door smoothly.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 12, 2017, 06:21:01 AM
I love trolling him on Twitter. I just wish he'd reply.
Blocked me
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Sir Stealth on December 12, 2017, 02:42:30 PM
I think Sam is doing the first part of the job well, and everyone knew he would do really

And that is the steadying of the ship, making us a tighter defensive unit who dont concede many goals

Heís got to be given credit for this. Especially when that defence is forged from 2 youngsters, a veteran who we had all written off and a fairly poor quality right back, with no left foot who we are playing at left back

Itís not fair to judge our lack of winning ambition in the derby as sams blueprint for the future. The vast majority were expecting a defeat, a few weeks earlier we had conceded 5 and 4 in consecutive games, to have that defence solid and resilient after 4 games in charge deserves credit, against a side who traditionally hammer us, who we have a Strange mental block against, who had scored 5 and 7 in their previous 2 games

He outwitted his opposite number, despite it being really obvious what our game plan would be. Klopp had a couple of weeks to work on a plan for this really as the second Sam took over in the state we were in, there is only 1 way he was going to approach the game, and he couldnít out wit him

What is important is if he can reach the next stage, which for me will involve 2 things and will dictate whether he can have the job past this season. First of all to play more attacking football and take the game to teams more. Utilising Bolasie when he is back, plus giving game time to Lookman and Vlasic amongst others would be great. Also we need to start winning away games, and Newcastle would be a great place to start.

If he leaves though in the summer, after guiding us to 7th and heís managed to give plenty of game time to the younger players and we replace him with a more progressive manager, than I would have to say Iíve been happy with the appointment
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Macca77 on December 12, 2017, 02:43:48 PM
All Aldridge is doing is stirring up the shit. Any trouble, any disharmony he can create to give EFC problems, well, he'll try it. It won't be long before they turn on their legend Sammy Lee. I will say it was really weird watching him jumping up and down when Rooney scored though. Who could have predicted that happening 6 months ago? ;D

The majority of redshite fans I know absolutely despise Aldo, say hes just a yes man
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: therealdunc on December 12, 2017, 03:04:25 PM
I think Sam is doing the first part of the job well, and everyone knew he would do really

And that is the steadying of the ship, making us a tighter defensive unit who dont concede many goals

Heís got to be given credit for this. Especially when that defence is forged from 2 youngsters, a veteran who we had all written off and a fairly poor quality right back, with no left foot who we are playing at left back

Itís not fair to judge our lack of winning ambition in the derby as sams blueprint for the future. The vast majority were expecting a defeat, a few weeks earlier we had conceded 5 and 4 in consecutive games, to have that defence solid and resilient after 4 games in charge deserves credit, against a side who traditionally hammer us, who we have a Strange mental block against, who had scored 5 and 7 in their previous 2 games

He outwitted his opposite number, despite it being really obvious what our game plan would be. Klopp had a couple of weeks to work on a plan for this really as the second Sam took over in the state we were in, there is only 1 way he was going to approach the game, and he couldnít out wit him

What is important is if he can reach the next stage, which for me will involve 2 things and will dictate whether he can have the job past this season. First of all to play more attacking football and take the game to teams more. Utilising Bolasie when he is back, plus giving game time to Lookman and Vlasic amongst others would be great. Also we need to start winning away games, and Newcastle would be a great place to start.

If he leaves though in the summer, after guiding us to 7th and heís managed to give plenty of game time to the younger players and we replace him with a more progressive manager, than I would have to say Iíve been happy with the appointment

I really donít get how people accuse him of not being progressive?

He has stated after both league games how dissapointed he was with our ball play and wants it to improve.
He has stated after both games he wants to player better football but doesnít have the players due to injury and an imbalanced squad

The transfer window is crucial but itís the Jan window and everyone knows the Jan window is a stinker for trying to do lots of business.

He needs 2 transfer windows and a pre season before he can be judged.
They are not his signings, we all agreed Koeman messed up and unsworth wasnít up to the job.

After just 3 games we can all see the team is looking as good as itís looked in 18 months and thatís With lots of injuryís and no star striker.

The time to judge Allardyce is next October.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: bacon sarnie on December 12, 2017, 06:45:14 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2017/dec/12/david-squires-on-the-manchester-and-merseyside-derbies

Ace.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Toddacelli on December 12, 2017, 07:45:06 PM
https://twitter.com/TheBig_Sam/status/940237711046213634



https://twitter.com/TheBig_Sam/status/940239302465937409
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: bacon sarnie on December 13, 2017, 07:12:49 AM
'The playersí night out, scheduled to take place after Mondayís home game against Swansea City, has been postponed as a consequence. ďIt is not needed at the moment and because of the position we were in when I first arrived here,Ē Allardyce said.

ďI told the players I will pay them back when they come out of Christmas and into January in a better position. They can go and socialise at the right time. As a manager it was very important that the players, in todayís environment with social media, were not seen to be out enjoying themselves too much.


Things are looking up for Everton Ė especially with Yannick Bolasie returning
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ďThey have turned things around already for me but [the festive schedule] is our biggest demand. It is probably not overall because a lot has been demanded already with their season starting in July with Europe, and the injuries. A lot has been demanded of the players and Christmas will be the same.

ďThe party is off until there is a period of time when we are in a very good position and I can tell the lads they can have the relaxing time that they deserve. But whatever they do I donít want a phone call telling me theyíve been in trouble or they will be in even more trouble with me.Ē'

Starting to like this feller. Ha!
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Lxxx on December 13, 2017, 10:53:52 AM
'The playersí night out, scheduled to take place after Mondayís home game against Swansea City, has been postponed as a consequence. ďIt is not needed at the moment and because of the position we were in when I first arrived here,Ē Allardyce said.

ďI told the players I will pay them back when they come out of Christmas and into January in a better position. They can go and socialise at the right time. As a manager it was very important that the players, in todayís environment with social media, were not seen to be out enjoying themselves too much.


Things are looking up for Everton Ė especially with Yannick Bolasie returning
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ďThey have turned things around already for me but [the festive schedule] is our biggest demand. It is probably not overall because a lot has been demanded already with their season starting in July with Europe, and the injuries. A lot has been demanded of the players and Christmas will be the same.

ďThe party is off until there is a period of time when we are in a very good position and I can tell the lads they can have the relaxing time that they deserve. But whatever they do I donít want a phone call telling me theyíve been in trouble or they will be in even more trouble with me.Ē'

Starting to like this feller. Ha!

Bit harsh. A win tonight and we're as far off top 4 as we are from the drop.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Bluedylan on December 13, 2017, 12:48:05 PM
He's done alright. Let's not get carried away. Want to see a vast improvement in our play with the ball in the coming games. It's great saying it, but another thing entirely coaching it, setting up tactically to enable it and managing people to get them confident enough to play it.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Dr. Sponge on December 13, 2017, 01:18:19 PM
He's done alright. Let's not get carried away. Want to see a vast improvement in our play with the ball in the coming games. It's great saying it, but another thing entirely coaching it, setting up tactically to enable it and managing people to get them confident enough to play it.

I won't be judging our attacking play too harshly with Niasse and DCL as our only recognised strikers.

He's made us hard to beat, which was the number one priority, but we need at least one decent striker this transfer window to carry any real consistent threat.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Bluedylan on December 13, 2017, 01:26:31 PM
I won't be judging our attacking play too harshly with Niasse and DCL as our only recognised strikers.

He's made us hard to beat, which was the number one priority, but we need at least one decent striker this transfer window to carry any real consistent threat.

Yeah the derby result and organisation was good. We played the way we had to and it sent them lot loopy, which is great.

Even when we set up defensively, I expect an Everton team to be able to pass the ball a bit and I'll be wanting to see some of that against weak teams like Newcastle and Swansea.

Not expecting some attacking masterclass all of a sudden. Just to see us play a bit of football, to go with the graft and organisation.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 13, 2017, 01:41:05 PM
Yeah the derby result and organisation was good. We played the way we had to and it sent them lot loopy, which is great.

Even when we set up defensively, I expect an Everton team to be able to pass the ball a bit and I'll be wanting to see some of that against weak teams like Newcastle and Swansea.

Not expecting some attacking masterclass all of a sudden. Just to see us play a bit of football, to go with the graft and organisation.

We just don't have the players in attacking positions to produce more than moments. No playmaker who can dictate a game, our talented wingers are either kids or injured and no proven striker.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Lxxx on December 13, 2017, 02:10:28 PM
We just don't have the players in attacking positions to produce more than moments. No playmaker who can dictate a game, our talented wingers are either kids or injured and no proven striker.

We've got more than enough talent to string half a dozen passes together in the opposition half against lower table clubs. Let's not kid ourselves we're playing with Walter Smith type resources here. We just need some confidence and a system that allows it.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 13, 2017, 02:14:49 PM
We've got more than enough talent to string half a dozen passes together in the opposition half against lower table clubs. Let's not kid ourselves we're playing with Walter Smith type resources here. We just need some confidence and a system that allows it.

Well you'd think so but consistently we fail at it. I think that's the players rather than the manager
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: TheRam on December 13, 2017, 02:15:32 PM
I'd be very disappointed if we set up tonight similar to the way we did at anfield.

We obviously won't be as deep, but I fear he's going to set up defensively in this type of game and the fans will soon lose patience with that.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: The Analog Kid on December 13, 2017, 02:22:46 PM
Works Christmas nights out are overrated and shit anyway.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Lxxx on December 13, 2017, 02:40:22 PM
Well you'd think so but consistently we fail at it. I think that's the players rather than the manager

Well it needs unlocking then as Sig, Rooney, Lennon etc... are more then capable of passing and moving the ball around. Pace is nice to have but crisp passing and clever movement shouldn't be beyond the capability of players who cost £45m or experienced internationals.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Macca77 on December 13, 2017, 03:25:33 PM
Works Christmas nights out are overrated and shit anyway.

Yeah I agree, only cos we're not having one
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: GLewis on December 13, 2017, 03:47:09 PM
I'd be very disappointed if we set up tonight similar to the way we did at anfield.

We obviously won't be as deep, but I fear he's going to set up defensively in this type of game and the fans will soon lose patience with that.

If heís being really defensive towards the end of the season when weíre comfortable then I could see more of a complaint.

Got to be at least another half a dozen games / results before making sure weíve got confidence back in the defence isnít the priority.

If weíre solid but score decent goals like vs Huddersfield then I wonít have a problem at all at this stage.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: everton1952 on December 13, 2017, 04:03:11 PM
Since Silva used the word "harsh" 3 times in one sentence, the word appears to have crept in here a few times.  Politicians all use "we are very clear" every time they open their mouths.  Any others? "high press"  describing football tactics.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Alanvideo on December 13, 2017, 04:08:39 PM
Bit harsh. A win tonight and we're as far off top 4 as we are from the drop.
.........I don't think it's harsh at all. We've 6 games between tonight and New Years Day including Chelsea and Man U. We're not out of the woods yet but I believe by the end of that run we could be as high as 8th. Then they can go to Five Guys or somewhere then meet Barkley in Santa Chupito's.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: GLewis on December 13, 2017, 04:46:34 PM
.........I don't think it's harsh at all. We've 6 games between tonight and New Years Day including Chelsea and Man U. We're not out of the woods yet but I believe by the end of that run we could be as high as 8th. Then they can go to Five Guys or somewhere then meet Barkley in Santa Chupito's.

Well maybe after the cup game in the 5th!
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Escla on December 13, 2017, 08:30:00 PM
Bit harsh. A win tonight and we're as far off top 4 as we are from the drop.

What's harsh about it ? What's the big deal about a Xmas party, it's the busiest week of the year, we have won two home games against drop zone teams, they can have their party once we've consolidated a top 10 position, it's just a works do, they can do without that surely.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: bacon sarnie on December 13, 2017, 08:35:34 PM
Bit harsh. A win tonight and we're as far off top 4 as we are from the drop.

Is it fuck. Hope he has them all wearing hair shirts for the trip home if they lose tonight. Whip-crackaway!
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Bluedylan on December 13, 2017, 08:38:33 PM
Since Silva used the word "harsh" 3 times in one sentence, the word appears to have crept in here a few times.  Politicians all use "we are very clear" every time they open their mouths.  Any others? "high press"  describing football tactics.

Very odd.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: brittcop1 on December 13, 2017, 09:22:56 PM
none of them realise that they failed to beat us do they?

calling us the worst team they've faced yet they couldn't win....story of their lives isn't it really
Yeah im not really interested in the " objective" opinions of fucking Liverpool fans. Lets be honest, weve being totally getting embarrassed...by everybody. We were supposed to lose this by 5...easy. we got a point at Anfield...with a weak team..fucking enjoy it::)))
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Toddacelli on December 13, 2017, 09:50:12 PM
https://twitter.com/TheBig_Sam/status/605797531352637443


https://twitter.com/TheBig_Sam/status/605799350329958400


https://twitter.com/TheBig_Sam/status/605801444071989249


https://twitter.com/TheBig_Sam/status/605803995563585536


https://twitter.com/TheBig_Sam/status/605804402348138498


Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 13, 2017, 10:10:36 PM
https://twitter.com/TheBig_Sam/status/605797531352637443


https://twitter.com/TheBig_Sam/status/605799350329958400


https://twitter.com/TheBig_Sam/status/605801444071989249


https://twitter.com/TheBig_Sam/status/605803995563585536


https://twitter.com/TheBig_Sam/status/605804402348138498





I love these. Been following it fora couple of years now. They are just utterly ridiculous
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Paddockoldie on December 13, 2017, 10:33:01 PM
Christmas parties at Easter are all the rage for 2018 don't you know... very happening yar!
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: therealdunc on December 14, 2017, 03:37:35 AM
I old you this Big Sam feller was special!


Onwards and upwards
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Lazarou on December 14, 2017, 03:40:19 AM
I old you this Big Sam feller was special!


Onwards and upwards

Special might be stretching it a bit. But you can't argue with the results so far.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: ally2 on December 14, 2017, 03:45:47 AM
you can't argue with the results so far.

Oh don't you worry - someone will!
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: TheRam on December 14, 2017, 04:02:21 AM
Amazing what a little bit of organisation does to this team.

Is right allardyce
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Dr. Sponge on December 14, 2017, 04:05:41 AM
Feels boss to no longer be shit.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Martip on December 14, 2017, 04:07:42 AM
Credit where credits due....Big Sam has done bloody well so far and done even better than I anticipated. I don't see how anyone would be able to  complain about the job he's done even the people who against his appointment. He's not even been annoying in press conferences either....
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Gash on December 14, 2017, 04:08:32 AM
Well on his way to Manager of the Month for December. ;)
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Brownie20 on December 14, 2017, 04:09:20 AM
Well on his way to Manager of the Month for December. ;)

Not the kiss of death
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Macca77 on December 14, 2017, 04:11:16 AM
Fuck off Allardyce
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: brap2 on December 14, 2017, 04:43:20 AM
I old you this Big Sam feller was special!


Onwards and upwards

The Special Brew One
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: toshyboy on December 14, 2017, 04:48:46 AM
Angry Rafael Benitez slams Everton's 'time-wasting' tactics
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/angry-rafael-benitez-slams-evertons-14036045#ICID=ios_EchoNewsApp_AppShare_Click_Other

Love the fact heís slowly but surely turning us into cunts who nobody likes.

Weíve been too nice for too long.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 14, 2017, 04:56:42 AM
Angry Rafael Benitez slams Everton's 'time-wasting' tactics
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/angry-rafael-benitez-slams-evertons-14036045#ICID=ios_EchoNewsApp_AppShare_Click_Other

Love the fact he's slowly but surely turning us into cunts who nobody likes.

We've been too nice for too long.
They did start better
The rest he can fuck off, he's produced worse versions if that
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Confucius on December 14, 2017, 05:07:34 AM
It's weird but having Big Sam and him being able to organize us just a little bit kind of goes to show why we didn't really need him in the first place.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Brownie20 on December 14, 2017, 05:23:17 AM
Just watched his interview for EvertonTV . Asked about how pleased is he with Mason Holgate and he says "Very pleased apart from the fact he's too good looking to be a centre half." I'm warming to him
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: The Analog Kid on December 14, 2017, 05:24:17 AM
Feels boss to no longer be shit.

Yes Scott!
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: bacon sarnie on December 14, 2017, 05:24:33 AM
The Special Brew One

Bad Manners that mate!
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: The Analog Kid on December 14, 2017, 05:27:05 AM
I like him. Wasnít sure on his appointment as were most, but then I wasnít sure who I wanted to be honest. But heís doing a job, along with Lee, Shakespeare and Dunc and itís working out alright.

Thanks for a great end to an alright birthday Sam and the lads!
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Confucius on December 14, 2017, 05:43:28 AM
Just watched his interview for EvertonTV . Asked about how pleased is he with Mason Holgate and he says "Very pleased apart from the fact he's too good looking to be a centre half." I'm warming to him

Ashley Williams must feel like shit after that!
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: blargins on December 14, 2017, 07:27:00 AM
The sexy manager type doesnít suit Everton. Itís a working class club and needs a salt of the earth type manager. Whenever weíve had a sexy type or big name weíve struggled.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Bwana on December 14, 2017, 02:02:19 PM
It's weird but having Big Sam and him being able to organize us just a little bit kind of goes to show why we didn't really need him in the first place.

I think he himself said it the best. "You need to have a big character to tell these players..." and so on. He is/was absolutely the man we needed and still need. No player in the dressing room could've (well, except Rooney maybe) undermined him. The disease we had needed a tough remedy too.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Lazarou on December 14, 2017, 02:17:57 PM
Just watched his interview for EvertonTV . Asked about how pleased is he with Mason Holgate and he says "Very pleased apart from the fact he's too good looking to be a centre half." I'm warming to him

Thought Holgate was quality tonight, quality footballer still so young for a centre half in premier league as well.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on December 14, 2017, 03:20:28 PM
It was strange listening to his approach the other night in the pre match press conference.
He was saying that all he does is embed the basics and he gives the team the freedom to let their individual qualities come out. I always had him down as someone who micromanages everything, but it doesn't look that way.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: JordanianEmbassy on December 14, 2017, 03:22:51 PM
It's weird but having Big Sam and him being able to organize us just a little bit kind of goes to show why we didn't really need him in the first place.

Or shows how much better he is than most others.

And how the simple things are (a) the fundamentals and (b) often the hardest to get right.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Mick 1995 on December 14, 2017, 03:29:29 PM
It was strange listening to his approach the other night in the pre match press conference.
He was saying that all he does is embed the basics and he gives the team the freedom to let their individual qualities come out. I always had him down as someone who micromanages everything, but it doesn't look that way.

I suspect he does micromanage the basics though. He definitely prefers percentage football. I think i remember hearing Kevin Davies talking about he was going to get shouted at for having a low-percentage shot from outside the area, even though he scored. Tongue in cheek obviously, but the reason behind the joke was there.

I reckon training at the moment is polar opposite to Martinez. Won't be much ball work (as is evident by our inability to string passes together at the start of games) and will just be drilling them to death.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Lazarou on December 14, 2017, 03:48:30 PM
I suspect he does micromanage the basics though. He definitely prefers percentage football. I think i remember hearing Kevin Davies talking about he was going to get shouted at for having a low-percentage shot from outside the area, even though he scored. Tongue in cheek obviously, but the reason behind the joke was there.

I reckon training at the moment is polar opposite to Martinez. Won't be much ball work (as is evident by our inability to string passes together at the start of games) and will just be drilling them to death.

Hope he isn't doing drills, that is not the FA way these days. We call them practices's now.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: brap2 on December 14, 2017, 04:18:12 PM
It was strange listening to his approach the other night in the pre match press conference.
He was saying that all he does is embed the basics and he gives the team the freedom to let their individual qualities come out. I always had him down as someone who micromanages everything, but it doesn't look that way.

Yeah apparently doesnít even coach that much himself, his team does all that.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Shropshire Blue on December 14, 2017, 05:29:53 PM
It would be interesting to see what the (so called) top managers could do with lower teams and the task of getting the most out of players who aren't quite at the 'elite' level and not spending zillions on replacements every summer.
What we do have is the chance to see the reverse where Sam has never really had a big budget but has now. It frustrates me that some people still judge him (and others like him) just on trophies alone without even considering the raw material they have to work with. The same people that look at Man City and Huddersfield and say 'it's just 11 v 11'.
 Very unusual to see an 'older' manager getting this opportunity. Hope it works.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: dazfrancis on December 14, 2017, 05:31:48 PM
The move for the goal was yesterday actually quite good, about 15-20 passes out from the back and a couple of nice flicks.

It's definitely risk averse percentage football though.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: mikey_blue on December 14, 2017, 05:54:35 PM
The move for the goal was yesterday actually quite good, about 15-20 passes out from the back and a couple of nice flicks.

It's definitely risk averse percentage football though.

It's definitely what we need. Until we get some real quality throughout the team, there's no point trying to play champagne football.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Major Clanger on December 14, 2017, 05:58:21 PM
Yeah apparently doesnít even coach that much himself, his team does all that.

Just like Ferguson :)
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Simon Paul on December 14, 2017, 06:17:52 PM
Amazing what introducing players to each other can achieve

Throw in a reminder of what position they play and you've got a winning formula

Against Huddersfield and Newcastle like

Reckon we'll bladder Swansea as well even
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 14, 2017, 06:44:42 PM
Amazing what introducing players to each other can achieve

Throw in a reminder of what position they play and you've got a winning formula

Against Huddersfield and Newcastle like

Reckon we'll bladder Swansea as well even

Stop fighting it. You know you're falling in love with big Sam too
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Gary1878 on December 14, 2017, 07:07:08 PM
Amazing what introducing players to each other can achieve

Throw in a reminder of what position they play and you've got a winning formula

Against Huddersfield and Newcastle like

Reckon we'll bladder Swansea as well even

Its amazing - playing players in their actual positions, with the same formation, and keeping the same starting eleven every week! The players might even get to know how eachother plays!
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: JordanianEmbassy on December 14, 2017, 07:22:42 PM
Amazing what introducing players to each other can achieve

Throw in a reminder of what position they play and you've got a winning formula

Against Huddersfield and Newcastle like

Reckon we'll bladder Swansea as well even

Just like we bladdered Southampton and Leicester.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: blargins on December 14, 2017, 07:28:38 PM
Who knew it would be so simple? Moyes, Martinez, Koeman, Unsworth, none mastered this playing players in their own positions. Big Sam comes along, and for 6 mill a year, fixes it in one game.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: dazfrancis on December 14, 2017, 07:36:19 PM
It's definitely what we need. Until we get some real quality throughout the team, there's no point trying to play champagne football.

Agreed, I was originally against us appointing him but now I'm on board becuase it's nice going into games knowing our players are giving 100% and are not going to capitulate under the first whiff off opposition of pressure.

It might not be pretty but I'm happy with Pint of White Wine football until we sort ourselves out.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Shropshire Blue on December 14, 2017, 07:48:00 PM
Just like we bladdered Southampton and Leicester.
Might need to check the records but I'm sure that was under different managers. Although you have a point, there was no excuse for throwing away the league title losing to Carlisle and Luton over the Easter holiday. Same for that dreadful 45 min at Hull when we went 3 down. Let's not forget our last relegation either and getting knocked out of the cup by Shrewsbury. You might be right - nothing may have changed.
On the other hand it could just be you?☺
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Gary1878 on December 14, 2017, 07:50:07 PM
Who knew it would be so simple? Moyes, Martinez, Koeman, Unsworth, none mastered this playing players in their own positions. Big Sam comes along, and for 6 mill a year, fixes it in one game.

Who knew that players like to play in their best positions? Its weird how you put these players in their best positions within the best formation and tactical set up, and suddenly you start playing better football.

Big Sam isn't a miracle worker. He is just sensible and knows how to set teams up properly. He isn't going to be revolutionary, but he will be very effective, especially in frustrating the opposition. He will also get belief back amongst the players and get them working for the shirt. His stint at Everton is exactly what we need to get a solid foundation to progress.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: blargins on December 14, 2017, 07:53:29 PM
Who knew that players like to play in their best positions? Its weird how you put these players in their best positions within the best formation and tactical set up, and suddenly you start playing better football.

Big Sam isn't a miracle worker. He is just sensible and knows how to set teams up properly. He isn't going to be revolutionary, but he will be very effective, especially in frustrating the opposition. He will also get belief back amongst the players and get them working for the shirt. His stint at Everton is exactly what we need to get a solid foundation to progress.

Indeed. Totally agree.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: ally2 on December 14, 2017, 07:59:41 PM
It's funny how we view things. Before Sam there was plenty of debate around Sigurdsson and that he should pay number 10. He's playing left midfield at the moment (mainly), but that's all been forgotten because we're winning. Similarly before Rooney came back we mostly agreed that he shouldn't be in midfield. That's completely changed now.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: JordanianEmbassy on December 14, 2017, 08:59:08 PM
Might need to check the records but I'm sure that was under different managers. Although you have a point, there was no excuse for throwing away the league title losing to Carlisle and Luton over the Easter holiday. Same for that dreadful 45 min at Hull when we went 3 down. Let's not forget our last relegation either and getting knocked out of the cup by Shrewsbury. You might be right - nothing may have changed.
On the other hand it could just be you?☺

I think you've completely misunderstood me!! :)

tbh I've got no idea what you're going on about? Have you replied to the wrong post?
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Macca77 on December 14, 2017, 09:53:03 PM
https://twitter.com/MorganEFC/status/941055546651750401
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Bluedylan on December 14, 2017, 10:10:22 PM
He's done well.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: everton1952 on December 14, 2017, 10:54:33 PM
Just the man we needed to sort out the Koeman debacle. Hopefully the NSNO manager name auction, listing about 10 potential future Everton managers from can be put to bed for a long time. Silva was the flavour of the month for many on here, but maybe the shine may have gone off him already, and very probably will have by the season's end. Dyche hasn't blotted his copy book yet; though of course we have those who will always maintain he is not good enough for a "club of our size."
Big Sam is the man, until we drop points in a bad run, and then the hatchets will no doubt be out wielded by those who will say they never wanted him in the first place. I hope he is here for the full contract and leaves us with praise ringing in his ears as he sails off into the sunset to his villa somewhere in Spain.   
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 15, 2017, 04:11:00 AM
https://talksport.com/football/talksport-exclusive-all-ive-done-stop-them-conceding-goals-sam-allardyce-his-everton
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: blargins on December 15, 2017, 06:16:49 AM
https://talksport.com/football/talksport-exclusive-all-ive-done-stop-them-conceding-goals-sam-allardyce-his-everton

Just imagine where we might have been had he come in right at the beginning, but no, we wanted some super slick manager who would likely be doing nothing different to what we were doing all season.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on December 15, 2017, 07:49:13 AM
Just the man we needed to sort out the Koeman debacle. Hopefully the NSNO manager name auction, listing about 10 potential future Everton managers from can be put to bed for a long time. Silva was the flavour of the month for many on here, but maybe the shine may have gone off him already, and very probably will have by the season's end. Dyche hasn't blotted his copy book yet; though of course we have those who will always maintain he is not good enough for a "club of our size."
Big Sam is the man, until we drop points in a bad run, and then the hatchets will no doubt be out wielded by those who will say they never wanted him in the first place. I hope he is here for the full contract and leaves us with praise ringing in his ears as he sails off into the sunset to his villa somewhere in Spain.   
Was Moyes on the list can't remember?....Hope he keeps WH up he's got them up for it at the mo.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: JordanianEmbassy on December 15, 2017, 01:33:07 PM
Just the man we needed to sort out the Koeman debacle. Hopefully the NSNO manager name auction, listing about 10 potential future Everton managers from can be put to bed for a long time. Silva was the flavour of the month for many on here, but maybe the shine may have gone off him already, and very probably will have by the season's end. Dyche hasn't blotted his copy book yet; though of course we have those who will always maintain he is not good enough for a "club of our size."
Big Sam is the man, until we drop points in a bad run, and then the hatchets will no doubt be out wielded by those who will say they never wanted him in the first place. I hope he is here for the full contract and leaves us with praise ringing in his ears as he sails off into the sunset to his villa somewhere in Spain.   

Agree - but if he's doing well right to the end of the contract then he should stay.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Alanvideo on December 15, 2017, 02:31:14 PM
Was Moyes on the list can't remember?....Hope he keeps WH up he's got them up for it at the mo.
..............we play them last day of the season .WHU should be safe by then given their current form. Hoping Palace ,Stoke and Newcastle go down.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Toddacelli on December 15, 2017, 02:39:34 PM
..............we play them last day of the season .WHU should be safe by then given their current form. Hoping Palace ,Stoke and Newcastle go down.

This.
But swap Palace for West Ham. Can't stand them.
And with Newcastle relegated twice if at all possible.
They're even worse.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: brap2 on December 15, 2017, 03:34:15 PM
https://talksport.com/football/talksport-exclusive-all-ive-done-stop-them-conceding-goals-sam-allardyce-his-everton

Must be fucking pinching himself. Easiest job of his career I think.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Escla on December 15, 2017, 03:40:57 PM
Must be fucking pinching himself. Easiest job of his career I think.

So easy that neither Koeman nor Unsworth could fix it ?
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Mick 1995 on December 15, 2017, 03:45:41 PM
So easy that neither Koeman nor Unsworth could fix it ?

Didn't Unsworth snot West Ham 4-0? Cant be giving allardyce any credit, he was in for less than 24 hours at that point.
It took a bit of time to get rid of the rot, but this run of form is on the back of Unsworth actually getting a grip.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: brap2 on December 15, 2017, 03:55:13 PM
So easy that neither Koeman nor Unsworth could fix it ?

Whatís easy for one may not be easy for another
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 15, 2017, 03:57:08 PM
Didn't Unsworth snot West Ham 4-0? Cant be giving allardyce any credit, he was in for less than 24 hours at that point.
It took a bit of time to get rid of the rot, but this run of form is on the back of Unsworth actually getting a grip.

He did but for 20 minutes after half time we were inept as we ever were. If that pen had gone in we were in serious trouble. We've only looked decent defensively since then
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Mick 1995 on December 15, 2017, 04:01:40 PM
He did but for 20 minutes after half time we were inept as we ever were. If that pen had gone in we were in serious trouble. We've only looked decent defensively since then

I don't think we've had 90 minutes of us controlling the game since either have we?
Or 45 minutes in one go for that matter?
We still look shakey, we still haven't improved over 90 minutes much from that West Ham game.

I genuinely think Unsworth is getting a bit to little credit & allardyce a little bit too much credit to be honest.
The draw at Anfield aside, i reckon Unsworth would have got the same results Allardyce has.

but we would have got snotted at Anfield, for that alone i'm happy with the appointment itself.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 15, 2017, 04:06:10 PM
I don't think we've had 90 minutes of us controlling the game since either have we?
Or 45 minutes in one go for that matter?
We still look shakey, we still haven't improved over 90 minutes much from that West Ham game.

I genuinely think Unsworth is getting a bit to little credit & allardyce a little bit too much credit to be honest.
The draw at Anfield aside, i reckon Unsworth would have got the same results Allardyce has.

but we would have got snotted at Anfield, for that alone i'm happy with the appointment itself.

We collapsed against West Ham. A missed pen and a goal from 60 yards calmed our nerves. I know it was only 20 minutes but it was utterly inept. We had about 7% possiession 10 minutes into that half.
I think all the credit for our defensive improvements go to Allardyce.
Think unsworth was extremely lucky in 2 of the results he got and even the 4 nil had some big moments go our way which normally wouldn't
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Ross on December 15, 2017, 04:11:04 PM
He did but for 20 minutes after half time we were inept as we ever were. If that pen had gone in we were in serious trouble. We've only looked decent defensively since then

Isn't it odd that weíve conceded more shots on goal in two of Allardyces three games in charge so far than we did in that match.

Oh and in every game so far the opposition have had comfortably more possession than us and with a far better pass success than us.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Mick 1995 on December 15, 2017, 04:24:26 PM
Newcastle hit the woodwork twice. Anything you want to say about the missed West Ham penalty applies there.

There is insufficient improvement over 90 minutes from the west ham game to any subsequent one not to suggest Unsworth was the one that turned the corner "got back to basics" and Allardyce has benefited from it.

I am not for one minute arguing that Unsworth should have been given more time. Allardyce will, 100%, perform better over the rest of the season.
But i just don't like to hear the digs levelled at Unsworth when i think he's the one that actually turned the ship around.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 15, 2017, 04:29:25 PM
Newcastle hit the woodwork twice. Anything you want to say about the missed West Ham penalty applies there.

There is insufficient improvement over 90 minutes from the west ham game to any subsequent one not to suggest Unsworth was the one that turned the corner "got back to basics" and Allardyce has benefited from it.

I am not for one minute arguing that Unsworth should have been given more time. Allardyce will, 100%, perform better over the rest of the season.
But i just don't like to hear the digs levelled at Unsworth when i think he's the one that actually turned the ship around.

Disagree. 2 brilliant long range shots. Them 20 minutes against West Ham was as bad as anything we saw against Southampton or Arsenal.

When West Ham take that pen they are 1to3 to score. When Newcastle line up then long shots they are many 20to1 to score. When Rooney takes aim he's maybe 50s from is own half

Watford keeper getting injured played a massive part as did their missed penalty. Palace played us off the park too

I like unsworth I voted for him as our new manager in the poll. He was pretty useless despite us getting some decent results. Sorry but he gets little credit from me for our upturn defensively
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Jamokachi on December 15, 2017, 04:32:45 PM
yea, i'ma fan of Unsworth but I'm not sure any of this solidity we're seeing in defence has anything to do with him
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: TheRam on December 15, 2017, 04:33:50 PM
Allardyce was in charge for that West Ham game.

While we all say it was unsworth, Sam has picked that team and the tactics.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Bluedylan on December 15, 2017, 04:37:24 PM
I was against Allardyce but he's clearly improved the defence.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Escla on December 15, 2017, 04:44:44 PM
Newcastle hit the woodwork twice. Anything you want to say about the missed West Ham penalty applies there.

There is insufficient improvement over 90 minutes from the west ham game to any subsequent one not to suggest Unsworth was the one that turned the corner "got back to basics" and Allardyce has benefited from it.

I am not for one minute arguing that Unsworth should have been given more time. Allardyce will, 100%, perform better over the rest of the season.
But i just don't like to hear the digs levelled at Unsworth when i think he's the one that actually turned the ship around.

I honestly don't believe anyone has taken a dig at Unsworth, quite the opposite, he stepped in again and gave 110% I have the utmost respect for him as a dyed in the wool blue who handled himself with great dignity during his caretaker spell and I have no doubt that one day he will make a great manager but he isn't the finished product for the Premier League and we would have got "snotted" at Anfield if he had still been in charge.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Lazarou on December 15, 2017, 05:04:35 PM
Whatís easy for one may not be easy for another

Is that Confucius?
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: cantoffee on December 15, 2017, 06:37:19 PM
Done what he is known to do so far which is make us more organized and harder to beat.

The real test will be once we have our confidence back and he needs to get us playing better football, can he do that against the sides that will come to Goodison and park the bus?

Been good so far, but will reserve judgement to see what kind of football we are playing when we are more settled. Right now I'm still happy to see us be organized and hard to beat as we are still a little fragile.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: therealdunc on December 15, 2017, 07:48:58 PM
Newcastle hit the woodwork twice. Anything you want to say about the missed West Ham penalty applies there.

There is insufficient improvement over 90 minutes from the west ham game to any subsequent one not to suggest Unsworth was the one that turned the corner "got back to basics" and Allardyce has benefited from it.

I am not for one minute arguing that Unsworth should have been given more time. Allardyce will, 100%, perform better over the rest of the season.
But i just don't like to hear the digs levelled at Unsworth when i think he's the one that actually turned the ship around.

Speechless

How anyone can give that football dinosaur unsworth any credit is beyond me?

Way way out of his depth, keep him with the kids and well away from adult football
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Dr. Sponge on December 15, 2017, 08:07:01 PM
Speechless

How anyone can give that football dinosaur unsworth any credit is beyond me?

Way way out of his depth, keep him with the kids and well away from adult football

A football dinosaur that has progressed some of our brightest young future stars?
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: dazfrancis on December 15, 2017, 08:28:54 PM
I know this is the digital age but why is everything so binary?

It has to absolutely all Unsworth's work or absolutely all Allardyce's work.

I kind of feel that the West Ham game was a combination of Unsworth finally finding a decent team selection and shape, the confusion around the manager situation being resolved just before the game and the players understanding they have to perform for the new manager.

I think Allardyce would have figured this out over the course or 3 or 4 games but it basically fell straight into his lap and he has worked and improved it further
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 15, 2017, 08:59:33 PM
Speechless

How anyone can give that football dinosaur unsworth any credit is beyond me?

Way way out of his depth, keep him with the kids and well away from adult football

Think he did a poor job but not sure where you get dinosaur from. If anything he was trying to be too experimental and too open and neglected too many of the basics
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Paddockoldie on December 15, 2017, 10:04:45 PM
The one big difference with Allardyce is his communications with fans. I feel I know more about how he will do things than Koeman ever did. Even the issue with Barkley in that he can't say how it will go and if the board say sell or get nothing he's ok with that. He seems to know how this club should be managed with our fan base and I like that.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Mick 1995 on December 16, 2017, 01:44:19 AM
I know this is the digital age but why is everything so binary?

It has to absolutely all Unsworth's work or absolutely all Allardyce's work.

I kind of feel that the West Ham game was a combination of Unsworth finally finding a decent team selection and shape, the confusion around the manager situation being resolved just before the game and the players understanding they have to perform for the new manager.

I think Allardyce would have figured this out over the course or 3 or 4 games but it basically fell straight into his lap and he has worked and improved it further

Summed it up quite well the mate
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: blue slug on December 16, 2017, 01:54:23 AM
Unsworth was dropped in at the deep end with no previous premier League management experience, he did his best give the guy a break
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Major Clanger on December 16, 2017, 01:58:37 AM
Done what he is known to do so far which is make us more organized and harder to beat.

The real test will be once we have our confidence back and he needs to get us playing better football, can he do that against the sides that will come to Goodison and park the bus?

Been good so far, but will reserve judgement to see what kind of football we are playing when we are more settled. Right now I'm still happy to see us be organized and hard to beat as we are still a little fragile.

Even before that, his first test will be the January transfer window. Will he bring in the usual lot of overpriced, good-in-a-relegation-dogfight mercenaries, or players who can take us forward, and be sold at a profit when we sell them?
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: therealdunc on December 16, 2017, 03:23:16 AM
Unsworth was dropped in at the deep end with no previous premier League management experience, he did his best give the guy a break
He said he wanted the job, he said he was ready for the job

Iím sorry but he put himself in the firing line and screwed up
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Major Clanger on December 16, 2017, 03:25:52 AM
He said he wanted the job, he said he was ready for the job

Yeah, and the board basically shrugged and said "you can try, but we won't give you any authority". It's like someone coming up to you and saying he's a good racing driver and you going "fine, but you'll have to do it without a car".

Don't get me wrong, getting someone else in was absolutely the right decision but the point is, we still don't know whether he'd be a good manager on a full time basis because as a caretaker with no power to decide players' future you're set up to fail. He should never have been given more than two or three games.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: blue slug on December 16, 2017, 03:29:45 AM
He said he wanted the job, he said he was ready for the job

Iím sorry but he put himself in the firing line and screwed up

Come on mate youíre being very harsh
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: therealdunc on December 16, 2017, 03:30:23 AM
Maybe a bit harsh ,

I will accept your point

Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: van der Meyde on December 16, 2017, 03:19:20 PM
Even before that, his first test will be the January transfer window. Will he bring in the usual lot of overpriced, good-in-a-relegation-dogfight mercenaries, or players who can take us forward, and be sold at a profit when we sell them?
This is more of a test of Walsh, surely.

Walsh championed Allardyce's appointment despite these questions.

Allardyce has outlined the recruitment process: Allardyce identifies areas he feels we're short. Walsh draws up a shortlist of players. They make a decision collectively.

There's no hiding behind the Walsh vs Koeman player dichotomy now. Let's judge the man who's employed to bring players in now, rather than blame everyone else for our recruitment failings, yeah?
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Major Clanger on December 16, 2017, 03:39:45 PM
This is more of a test of Walsh, surely.

Walsh championed Allardyce's appointment despite these questions.

Allardyce has outlined the recruitment process: Allardyce identifies areas he feels we're short. Walsh draws up a shortlist of players. They make a decision collectively.

There's no hiding behind the Walsh vs Koeman player dichotomy now. Let's judge the man who's employed to bring players in now, rather than blame everyone else for our recruitment failings, yeah?

Since Allardyce is Walsh's choice, sure, they go hand in hand. Any failure to bring in the right players is a failure of both.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Mayor Farnum on December 16, 2017, 03:48:14 PM
Big Sam won't stand players earmarked for the first team being brought in over his head. He'll gladly take responsibility.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: van der Meyde on December 16, 2017, 04:33:50 PM
Since Allardyce is Walsh's choice, sure, they go hand in hand. Any failure to bring in the right players is a failure of both.
Knowing we would be able to just rip up the whole structure and start again in 18 months if it doesn't work out really did help me accept Allardyce's appointment. (Even if I was something of an Allardyce fan on a short term basis anyway.)
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Macca77 on December 17, 2017, 12:12:07 AM
https://twitter.com/LadySineadNora/status/942079802596610048
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Shogun on December 19, 2017, 06:33:21 AM
Made an unreal start to be fair.

You can point at the opposition and a bit of luck that has gone our way in matches but if I'd have told you that we'd concede two goals in five matches with Williams an Martina in defence then you'd throw me into the Mersey.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Omar on December 19, 2017, 09:34:27 AM
I have to admit when Sam was appointed I was appalled. But shit, you can't complain about 13 out of 15 points.

Oh, and sorry for putting the jinx on.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: therealdunc on December 19, 2017, 01:38:37 PM
I sat right next to the dig out last night

One major thing I observed

Big Sam doesnít say a lot during a game, he allows the staff team he has built to do a lot of the detail managing of players during the game.

Over 5 different people plus Sam gave instructions to the players during the game.

Sam only shouted instructions when deemed necessary and also shouted at the 4th official!

This is a sign of a strong leader, allows his team to manage and gets involved when he needs to.

Very impressive.

In contract Paul clement didnít stop shouting instructions but this becomes ineffectual as the players familiarise the sound of his voice and start to autopilot ignore it.
In contrast to Sam, when he shouts and itís not often, you bloody well know and listen.

Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Lazarou on December 19, 2017, 02:26:22 PM
I sat right next to the dig out last night

One major thing I observed

Big Sam doesnít say a lot during a game, he allows the staff team he has built to do a lot of the detail managing of players during the game.

Over 5 different people plus Sam gave instructions to the players during the game.

Sam only shouted instructions when deemed necessary and also shouted at the 4th official!

This is a sign of a strong leader, allows his team to manage and gets involved when he needs to.

Very impressive.

In contract Paul clement didnít stop shouting instructions but this becomes ineffectual as the players familiarise the sound of his voice and start to autopilot ignore it.
In contrast to Sam, when he shouts and itís not often, you bloody well know and listen.

Sign a of a quality manager that, in any profession. Good little insight.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Mick 1995 on December 19, 2017, 02:43:21 PM
Echo has a little piece about Sam and his data.
if you can be bothered with the horrendous site:
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-analysis-sigurdsson-shines-allardyces-14055461

If you cannot, it is here: the bit in bold is the most interesting to me for some reason:

Quote
Attention to detail

Sam Allardyce has always been big on analysis.
He was one of the first Premier League managers to use Prozone stats in his approach - and during his early days at Bolton he became almost slavishly devoted to data.
He developed a system of play based around a "fantastic four" - pillars of play which would serve Bolton well. And they did.
Some of the detail was verging on the absurd.
Allardyce once calculated that if Bolton scored first they had a 70% chance of winning.
And he worked out that his side had an 80% chance of avoiding defeat if they outran their opposition at speeds above 5.5m per second.
Last night he saw his team go behind, and look one-paced during a stodgy first-half.
But he has analysis to change that, too.
"Our analysis team has been on overtime since I've been here, delivering a fantastic amount of information for the players to look at and take onto the pitch," he wrote in his programme notes.

"We haven't been able to spend too much time on the training ground because we've had so many games, so the analysts have been delivering visuals on a constant basis and that's been working."
Sammy Lee spent an age giving detailed pre-match information to Ashley Williams.
Williams performed solidly.
Everton's midfield was told to use the ball positively and pacily. When they didn't, a midfielder who would was intrioduced in young Tom Davies.
Whatever information is being imparted is working. And Allardyce has only just begun.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Rodenplav64 on December 19, 2017, 02:54:48 PM
Even before that, his first test will be the January transfer window. Will he bring in the usual lot of overpriced, good-in-a-relegation-dogfight mercenaries, or players who can take us forward, and be sold at a profit when we sell them?

For once in his career he doesn't have to do the former as I think he knew it wasn't a massive job to keep the team up given the players we have . I am not sure he has much experience of the latter though .
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: therealdunc on December 19, 2017, 03:01:48 PM
He has stated on the record at least twice he only wants players that improve the squad and as thatís difficult - it will be a difficult window in Jan.

Also itís clear he wants a striker, itís the one position he has mentioned on a few occasions. The only other position mentioned is left back and that was more the press asking direct questions
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Trublue on December 19, 2017, 03:30:40 PM
I have been impressed, with what I have seen in terms of coaching from the sidelines. Using Craig Shakespeare in the stands, to see things from a different position. Sammy Lee to do the orders.

I actually think he is pinching himself. When he interviews and reals off the names of the players to come back from injury. He can't stop smiling, it's like he's waiting for Christmas.  Just shows thee difference between him and Koeman.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Lxxx on December 19, 2017, 05:06:06 PM
It actually looks like a co-ordinated setup now, everything looks tighter. Team motivation and organisation, instructions from the touchlines, noises coming out of the club... Whilst it's clearly too early to make a judgement on his appointment it seems to be working, even in the short term.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on December 19, 2017, 05:09:32 PM
I think I love him.

The big pie smashing oaf.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Lincs Toffee on December 19, 2017, 05:19:50 PM
I think I love him.

The big pie smashing oaf.
MmmBlueAllardyce soon then ?
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Lincs Toffee on December 19, 2017, 05:20:09 PM
Double post Twat !!
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on December 19, 2017, 05:47:31 PM
Double post Twat !!

Might work better than MmmBlueAllardyce
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: TheRam on December 19, 2017, 05:54:05 PM
Still early days for me.

Couple of things worry me, but overall can't complain at the moment.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Danny on December 19, 2017, 06:06:50 PM
I love him, way too early for I told you soís though.

I think now weíll spend big money on a striker and then save the rest for the summer.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on December 19, 2017, 06:20:42 PM
Might work better than MmmBlueAllardyce

Ooofff
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Faceatthefence on December 19, 2017, 06:29:35 PM
Still early days for me.

Couple of things worry me, but overall can't complain at the moment.
Ditto.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 19, 2017, 06:30:37 PM
Be interesting to see us play a good side
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: mikey_blue on December 19, 2017, 06:31:03 PM
https://twitter.com/Everton/status/943095203149373440

Good to see he's got a plan with the squad.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Lxxx on December 19, 2017, 06:41:24 PM
I love him, way too early for I told you soís though.

I think now weíll spend big money on a striker and then save the rest for the summer.

Why do we need to spend big in January? We've only got 7th position to play for in the hope it might be a European place again and we should have enough in our squad to achieve that, seeing as 2/3 of the league are pretty poor and we're now organised and set up like a proper football team.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: van der Meyde on December 19, 2017, 06:46:33 PM
Why do we need to spend big in January? We've only got 7th position to play for in the hope it might be a European place again and we should have enough in our squad to achieve that, seeing as 2/3 of the league are pretty poor and we're now organised and set up like a proper football team.
Not sure I have enough confidence in us to finish above Leicester just yet.

As for Burnley, I keep saying before their games they'll get beat and they keep picking up results. Last team to do that was Leicester when they won the league, so I should probably shut up about that.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Lxxx on December 19, 2017, 06:49:39 PM
Not sure I have enough confidence in us to finish above Leicester just yet.

As for Burnley, I keep saying before their games they'll get beat and they keep picking up results. Last team to do that was Leicester when they won the league, so I should probably shut up about that.


Don't get me wrong if a striker comes up on loan that looks hungry to make a World Cup squad for example then we'd be silly to turn it away but we don't need a repeat of the Sig transfer where we massively overpay when it's not necessary.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: van der Meyde on December 19, 2017, 07:08:44 PM
Don't get me wrong if a striker comes up on loan that looks hungry to make a World Cup squad for example then we'd be silly to turn it away but we don't need a repeat of the Sig transfer where we massively overpay when it's not necessary.
Oh yeah. I absolutely agree.

I probably think finishing 7th again is more important than a lot on here do. We shouldn't break the bank for it though.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Mick 1995 on December 19, 2017, 07:11:46 PM
If a striker that we would be interested in come summer is able to be persuaded to mov enow (even for an increased fee) then it's a no-brainer.
But buying a player just because the window is open andyou have to buy somebody/anybody is only something you should do in summer.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Alanvideo on December 19, 2017, 07:15:39 PM
Be interesting to see us play a good side
..................4 out of the next 6 matches are against good sides . Chelsea ,Man U ,the shite and Spurs. A difficult few weeks. 
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Mick 1995 on December 19, 2017, 07:21:56 PM
..................4 out of the next 6 matches are against good sides . Chelsea ,Man U ,the shite and Spurs. A difficult few weeks. 

i'm not convinced west Brom & Bournemouth away should be considered "easy" games either.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Lxxx on December 19, 2017, 07:28:40 PM
i'm not convinced west Brom & Bournemouth away should be considered "easy" games either.
Well if we're not looking at West Brom and Bournemouth as winnable games then we really shouldn't be turning up.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Mick 1995 on December 19, 2017, 07:39:21 PM
Well if we're not looking at West Brom and Bournemouth as winnable games then we really shouldn't be turning up.


Every game is winnable. But overestimating your own abilities/underestimating the opponents is the height of folly
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: everton1952 on December 19, 2017, 07:52:36 PM
Be interesting to see us play a good side
Err dare I say it, the Redshite?
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Gary1878 on December 19, 2017, 07:53:45 PM
The only criticism I have was that I felt last night that we were a little too defensive in terms of pressing and trying to gain territory when we were at 1-1. If it wasn't for Siggy's phenomenal strike, then the game could have been very different, as we didn't seem to be wanting to take any risks. Tom Davies' introduction definitely helped get us up the pitch and in their faces a bit more.

Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on December 19, 2017, 07:59:25 PM
https://twitter.com/Everton/status/943095203149373440

Good to see he's got a plan with the squad.

Mad Max - Beyond the thunderfinchfarm

22 men enter, 11 men leave...

BK belting out the soundtrack.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Macca77 on December 19, 2017, 08:25:12 PM
https://twitter.com/Everton/status/943095203149373440

Good to see he's got a plan with the squad.

Klaassen there, "pick me boss, please boss, boss boss boss"

Allardyce - "Look will you just fuck off over there"
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: pjk on December 19, 2017, 08:51:32 PM
The players seem to really like big Sam. lolol




https://twitter.com/DavidLeeEFC/status/943085940402212864
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Macca77 on December 19, 2017, 09:03:36 PM
Hahaha i posted that in the match thread last night, its brilliant.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Simon Paul on December 19, 2017, 09:23:39 PM
Err dare I say it, the Redshite?

Had they actually been any good then yes
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: everton1952 on December 19, 2017, 09:30:47 PM
Gosh I thought they wiped the floor with us, and even had time to wipe their arses with us. How it ended 1-1 was a miracle that won't be repeated.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: bacon sarnie on December 20, 2017, 12:52:37 AM
https://twitter.com/Everton/status/943095203149373440

Good to see he's got a plan with the squad.

'Koeman went that way.........'
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Confucius on December 20, 2017, 04:51:56 AM
The players seem to really like big Sam. lolol




https://twitter.com/DavidLeeEFC/status/943085940402212864

HAHA. Love that
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: TheRam on December 22, 2017, 08:11:46 PM
https://twitter.com/ahunterguardian/status/944205183927705600
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Lxxx on December 22, 2017, 08:20:53 PM
https://twitter.com/ahunterguardian/status/944205183927705600

Couldn't like that quote enough.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: brap2 on December 22, 2017, 08:44:16 PM
Gosh I thought they wiped the floor with us, and even had time to wipe their arses with us. How it ended 1-1 was a miracle that won't be repeated.

Agree, we got away with it there.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: everton1952 on December 22, 2017, 09:51:29 PM
I am really impressed by his latest press conference. What you see and hear from him is completely the opposite of the bad character shit which the media has pumped out for years and many of us took as gospel. Where there's smoke etc, etc.  He seems to have that kind of character and personality that players should give their best for. With the current standard of players we have in the squad I believe he is the man to get the most out of them.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Lxxx on December 22, 2017, 10:03:12 PM
It wouldn't surprise me if he has sought and been given some professional PR advice in his time out of the game. The England debacle was quite ruinous for his reputation and he'll have been advised to press all the right buttons on his return to the game to maximise what he can get out of what is left of his career before retirement. I don't say that cynically it's just what I'd expect him to have done as he's clearly not as dumb as many make him out to be.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 22, 2017, 10:47:32 PM
It wouldn't surprise me if he has sought and been given some professional PR advice in his time out of the game. The England debacle was quite ruinous for his reputation and he'll have been advised to press all the right buttons on his return to the game to maximise what he can get out of what is left of his career before retirement. I don't say that cynically it's just what I'd expect him to have done as he's clearly not as dumb as many make him out to be.

I don't know. He's been very popular at a lot of his clubs. Not sure he's doing anything differently here than he has elsewhere.

I think the media just went with the smear that the likes of wenger started. Hoofball, dinosaur, aggressive teams. The truth is he's a good tactitian and quite engaging and probably always was
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: blue slug on December 22, 2017, 10:52:11 PM
Iíve always liked Sam as heís always come across quite well in my eyes, just the England thing made me think he was a bit crooked. Heís always done a good job with what heís got with the exception of maybe Newcastle but the way there run as a club and how there fans are itís a thankless task at best
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Macca77 on December 22, 2017, 10:56:26 PM
Hes give the players xmas day off, said he hated it when he was a player and doesn't see the point
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Lxxx on December 22, 2017, 11:09:22 PM
I don't know. He's been very popular at a lot of his clubs. Not sure he's doing anything differently here than he has elsewhere.

I think the media just went with the smear that the likes of wenger started. Hoofball, dinosaur, aggressive teams. The truth is he's a good tactitian and quite engaging and probably always was

I think he's been quite conciliatory with the media so far. He let his mouth get the better of him with the Marco Silva jibe, which was blown a little out of proportion, but I do detect a different tone from him so far, maybe because he sensed he wasn't a popular or first choice appointment both inside and outside the club. Might just be my reading of the situation.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Shropshire Blue on December 22, 2017, 11:10:41 PM
I am really impressed by his latest press conference. What you see and hear from him is completely the opposite of the bad character shit which the media has pumped out for years and many of us took as gospel. Where there's smoke etc, etc.  He seems to have that kind of character and personality that players should give their best for. With the current standard of players we have in the squad I believe he is the man to get the most out of them.
I was about to put something similar.  We all know every word has to be considered when talking to the media but he's one of the few managers who goes beyond just answering the question without first considering how little he can say in as few a words as possible!
Horror - to luke warm - to warm - anyone know where I can get a decent picture of him to hang on the wall?
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on December 23, 2017, 12:17:33 AM
Just seems like a bloke thatís seen it all, is entirely comfortable with himself and is pretty much unflappable. Unassuming confidence rather than ego.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Bluedylan on December 23, 2017, 12:24:42 AM
Just seems like a bloke thatís seen it all, is entirely comfortable with himself and is pretty much unflappable. Unassuming confidence rather than ego.

Points taken but I defo think he's got a massive ego and a massive chip on his shoulder (rightly or wrongly).
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 23, 2017, 12:45:41 AM
Points taken but I defo think he's got a massive ego and a massive chip on his shoulder (rightly or wrongly).

Is it a chip when he's right. Done a good job everywhere he's been. Even the 1s you could maybe question became much worse sides for losing him. Yet look at the near fury on here when we appointed him. Corrupt, fat dinosaur. A new low in our history.
He's had a very good career in an elite position and he's treated by most football fans and the media like he's an idiot. I think he's right to feel put out by it
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Simon Paul on December 23, 2017, 01:11:12 AM
You know when you go for a job interview but think you've got no chance of getting the job but then know the answers to the questions?

That's how he comes across in his press conferences
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Simon Paul on December 23, 2017, 01:12:11 AM
Is it a chip when he's right. Done a good job everywhere he's been. Even the 1s you could maybe question became much worse sides for losing him. Yet look at the near fury on here when we appointed him. Corrupt, fat dinosaur. A new low in our history.
He's had a very good career in an elite position and he's treated by most football fans and the media like he's an idiot. I think he's right to feel put out by it

The biggest club he's managed is Newcastle before us. "Elite" is pushing it a huge amount. Even the England job isn't as big as the Everton job!
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Shogun on December 23, 2017, 01:17:21 AM
The biggest club he's managed is Newcastle before us. "Elite" is pushing it a huge amount. Even the England job isn't as big as the Everton job!

Jumped at the England job without a second thought for Sunderland.
Got sacked from England on the back of corruption allegations.
Ditched Crystal Palace seemingly because he couldn't be arsed.
Ends up with the biggest job in his career at Everton.

Football management is a piece of piss isn't it.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Mayor Farnum on December 23, 2017, 01:28:48 AM
He's straightforward and honest, sometimes to his detriment, probably because it's so rare in football.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: TheRam on December 23, 2017, 01:39:22 AM
I reckon he 'gets it' more than our recent managers have got it.

Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: therealdunc on December 23, 2017, 04:58:49 AM
Jumped at the England job without a second thought for Sunderland.
Got sacked from England on the back of corruption allegations.
Ditched Crystal Palace seemingly because he couldn't be arsed.
Ends up with the biggest job in his career at Everton.

Football management is a piece of piss isn't it.
A few corrections

He had told Sunderland when the England job became available he would want it, they had plenty of notice of his desire for the role.

He left palace cause they wouldnít match his ambition. He said he wanted to have a real go at doing something and palace owner wasnít able to back him.

Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: pjk on December 23, 2017, 07:53:47 AM
I'm proud of the Everton manager, Big Sam Allardyce speaking out on some of the disastrous policies this government is saddling the population with. No matter how long he's here and how well he does, I'll always respect him for that. It's good the name of Everton Football Club is associated with such a statement. Well said that man.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: sam of the south on December 23, 2017, 03:05:55 PM
I'm proud of the Everton manager, Big Sam Allardyce speaking out on some of the disastrous policies this government is saddling the population with. No matter how long he's here and how well he does, I'll always respect him for that. It's good the name of Everton Football Club is associated with such a statement. Well said that man.

Bang on, Peej.

He didn't need to say this.

It came from the heart.

Something many more privileged and public figures should be saying but don't because they either don't give a shit or they don't want to upset the applecart.

Big respect from me to Sam Allardyce.

  https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/sam-allardyce-brands-britains-reliance-11739835.amp
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Bluedylan on December 23, 2017, 03:22:10 PM
I'm always a bit cynical about incredibly rich people talking about food banks/homelessness. Maybe he's doing it on the quiet (and apologies if he is) but how much of his £6m a year is he donating? Wouldn't be at all surprised to find out he was paying an accountant to find tax loopholes, like many others. Maybe he'll donate his avoiding relegation bonus...

On a positive note, Rooney just donated £750k to various charities.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 23, 2017, 03:47:17 PM
I'm always a bit cynical about incredibly rich people talking about food banks/homelessness. Maybe he's doing it on the quiet (and apologies if he is) but how much of his £6m a year is he donating? Wouldn't be at all surprised to find out he was paying an accountant to find tax loopholes, like many others. Maybe he'll donate his avoiding relegation bonus...

On a positive note, Rooney just donated £750k to various charities.

Wouldn't be surprised if he ate the brains of disadvantaged children. Obviously I've no evidence of this but I'm putting it out there anyway

Out of interest how much do you donate to homeless charities and food banks?
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: sam of the south on December 23, 2017, 03:58:34 PM
I'm always a bit cynical about incredibly rich people talking about food banks/homelessness. Maybe he's doing it on the quiet (and apologies if he is) but how much of his £6m a year is he donating? Wouldn't be at all surprised to find out he was paying an accountant to find tax loopholes, like many others. Maybe he'll donate his avoiding relegation bonus...

On a positive note, Rooney just donated £750k to various charities.

Yes, but hardly any of them use their platform to even mention it, let alone spell it out as unambiguously as Allardyce has just done.

It is a direct attack on austerity, and it is to be applauded.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Bluedylan on December 23, 2017, 03:59:27 PM
Wouldn't be surprised if he ate the brains of disadvantaged children. Obviously I've no evidence of this but I'm putting it out there anyway

Out of interest how much do you donate to homeless charities and food banks?

Not just aimed at him, same for all obscenely rich people pontificating about those issues. Put your money where your mouth is (the rich people, not you). They need money, not good intentions.

I work for a homeless charity and donate monthly to two others.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Mayor Farnum on December 23, 2017, 04:11:00 PM
Fuckin' commie pinko, never wanted him in the first place. And I've just seen him on Sky with red socks on.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 23, 2017, 04:41:44 PM
Not just aimed at him, same for all obscenely rich people pontificating about those issues. Put your money where your mouth is (the rich people, not you). They need money, not good intentions.

I work for a homeless charity and donate monthly to two others.

I agree with you generally. When millionaires come on tv promoting their brand telling us to give money. In fairness to Allardyce though he's nothing to sell and he's not asking anyone to give. He actually saying its ridiculous that people have to live on such charity

Credit where it's due you more than do your bit. Do find it a bit offensive when people who don't insist richer people should rather than them. When the reality is we are all rich compared to most
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: blue1948 on December 23, 2017, 04:42:46 PM
I'm always a bit cynical about incredibly rich people talking about food banks/homelessness. Maybe he's doing it on the quiet (and apologies if he is) but how much of his £6m a year is he donating? Wouldn't be at all surprised to find out he was paying an accountant to find tax loopholes, like many others. Maybe he'll donate his avoiding relegation bonus...

On a positive note, Rooney just donated £750k to various charities.
Funny how you can donate to charities and not be charitable to someone speaking up for that very same cause !Merry Xmas to you .
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Bluedylan on December 23, 2017, 04:57:01 PM
Funny how you can donate to charities and not be charitable to someone speaking up for that very same cause !Merry Xmas to you .

Merry Christmas, I think x
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Bluedylan on December 23, 2017, 04:58:05 PM
Anyway apologies for derailing. Good on Rooney.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: pjk on December 23, 2017, 06:09:18 PM
It's not for politicising this thread that I've mentioned his statement. He's aware that the biggest impact he can make, is by saying something. No, he's not beyond criticism, but I welcome his statement and hope more start to do the same. This silence about what's happening to the poor is eerie. Anyway, back to football. :)
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: nsno on December 23, 2017, 09:06:49 PM
I'm always a bit cynical about incredibly rich people talking about food banks/homelessness. Maybe he's doing it on the quiet (and apologies if he is) but how much of his £6m a year is he donating? Wouldn't be at all surprised to find out he was paying an accountant to find tax loopholes, like many others. Maybe he'll donate his avoiding relegation bonus...

On a positive note, Rooney just donated £750k to various charities.

I don't earn anywhere near £6m a year but I take a very good wage and don't donate a penny to charity. My choice of course. Whether or not Sam does shouldn't detract from his statement, at the end of the day I don't see why people who do earn vast fortunes should donate to charity. Great result today.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Bluedylan on December 23, 2017, 09:13:11 PM
I don't earn anywhere near £6m a year but I take a very good wage and don't donate a penny to charity. My choice of course. Whether or not Sam does shouldn't detract from his statement, at the end of the day I don't see why people who do earn vast fortunes should donate to charity. Great result today.

Good for you. That's the spirit.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Heisenberg on December 24, 2017, 12:09:43 AM
Love him screaming at the side of the pitch organising everyone. It's like having a 12th player at times
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: therealdunc on December 24, 2017, 12:14:08 AM
Great result in terms of a clean sheet against the champions

Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: BlueForYou on December 24, 2017, 01:57:18 AM
Gritty, not pretty - results first, entertainment second

Apart from City, who plays it pretty?

Title: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: mikey_blue on December 24, 2017, 02:34:44 AM
Someone on Twitter called big Sam the Count of Monte Bisto

Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: ajax_andy on December 24, 2017, 03:24:36 AM
Great point again today, I'm impressed by what he's achieved in such a short space of time

One thing that's nagging away at me though is will we still be happy if next season we play the same style against the big boys with only aiming for a 0-0 a draw being our game plan?

I remember Moyes getting criticism for not winning against the top 4, how would a manager be received if he approached those games with no desire to try and win them?

It'll be interesting to see next season, I'm not saying it's 100% he'll approach then this way, but if he does I wonder if people will slate him too or have our levels of expectation dropped substantially?
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Mayor Farnum on December 24, 2017, 03:32:55 AM
Great point again today, I'm impressed by what he's achieved in such a short space of time

One thing that's nagging away at me though is will we still be happy if next season we play the same style against the big boys with only aiming for a 0-0 a draw being our game plan?

I remember Moyes getting criticism for not winning against the top 4, how would a manager be received if he approached those games with no desire to try and win them?

It'll be interesting to see next season, I'm not saying it's 100% he'll approach then this way, but if he does I wonder if people will slate him too or have our levels of expectation dropped substantially?

The two transfer windows between now and then will determine that.

I doubt we will ever have the type of investment that means we will be involved in the type of game between Arsenal and Liverpool the other night. However, a couple of flying full backs and a powerful striker will mean we have more to offer against the teams above us by this time next year.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: TheTone on December 24, 2017, 03:33:36 AM
Great point again today, I'm impressed by what he's achieved in such a short space of time

One thing that's nagging away at me though is will we still be happy if next season we play the same style against the big boys with only aiming for a 0-0 a draw being our game plan?

I remember Moyes getting criticism for not winning against the top 4, how would a manager be received if he approached those games with no desire to try and win them?

It'll be interesting to see next season, I'm not saying it's 100% he'll approach then this way, but if he does I wonder if people will slate him too or have our levels of expectation dropped substantially?

it's gone perfect for him hasn't it

he definitely has something about him, if I was a player i'd deffo want to play for him

we'll have to wait and see what he recruits over the next 2 transfer windows to see if he can add more players to improve our attacking play and also wait to see if he can get a tune out of the injured guys due back

loving the way he winds up opposition managers, it's been a while since we were snidey cunts


Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Everton Mint on December 24, 2017, 03:52:40 AM
I know Sam's done some job since he's come in, organising and making us hard to beat... but he hasnt half brought some luck as well.

Just about everything has gone our way - getting penalties, saving penalties, opposition teams hitting the woodwork loads of times - quite amazing really.

A 'lucky manager' is better than a good one they say...

Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on December 24, 2017, 04:04:14 AM
Someone on Twitter called big Sam the Count of Monte Bisto


On the gravy train?
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Risky on December 24, 2017, 04:07:47 AM
Jury's out for me still.  It's not a surprise that he could organise us defensively, although I will give him credit for how quickly he seems to have done it.  But make no mistake about it, we've had a lot of luck to get the points that we have had and to not concede more than we have.

We need to get through in to the new year and hopefully a couple of signings in January and then he needs to move things forward, and that for me is where the big question mark is as far as his management ability goes.  It's all about whether what we're seeing now is the end game, or whether he can make us a more potent attacking force as well as improving the standard of football on show.  Not going to knock him for what we've seen so far, but things need to move forward at some point.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Martip on December 24, 2017, 05:22:23 AM
Let's call a spade a spade....hes done a wonderful job given that we were  the 2nd worse team in the league when he took over.

Defensively we are much more compact and the spirit is good so the force is strong.

Of course people will say today was negative but truth be told Chelsea are a much better side than us so he did what he had to do....neccessity is the mother of invention and is rather play like that and get a draw than be open and lose 4 - 0.


Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: blargins on December 24, 2017, 05:48:01 AM
Think we need to accept it will take an immense amount of money and luck to be able to compete with the top clubs. Even spurs fail often.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Jamokachi on December 24, 2017, 05:55:18 AM
I don't earn anywhere near £6m a year but I take a very good wage and don't donate a penny to charity.

What an odd thing to post.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 24, 2017, 06:42:35 AM
Let's call a spade a spade....hes done a wonderful job given that we were  the 2nd worse team in the league when he took over.

Defensively we are much more compact and the spirit is good so the force is strong.

Of course people will say today was negative but truth be told Chelsea are a much better side than us so he did what he had to do....neccessity is the mother of invention and is rather play like that and get a draw than be open and lose 4 - 0.
Where we 19th when he took over?
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Bluedylan on December 24, 2017, 09:43:10 AM
Great point again today, I'm impressed by what he's achieved in such a short space of time

One thing that's nagging away at me though is will we still be happy if next season we play the same style against the big boys with only aiming for a 0-0 a draw being our game plan?

I remember Moyes getting criticism for not winning against the top 4, how would a manager be received if he approached those games with no desire to try and win them?

It'll be interesting to see next season, I'm not saying it's 100% he'll approach then this way, but if he does I wonder if people will slate him too or have our levels of expectation dropped substantially?

I can tell you now, I'll slaughter him.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Bluedylan on December 24, 2017, 09:46:35 AM
Gritty, not pretty - results first, entertainment second

Apart from City, who plays it pretty?



Arsenal, Liverpool, Chelsea, Spurs, Bournemouth, Wolves. Probably a few others.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: BlueMaquis on December 24, 2017, 11:27:44 AM
Arsenal, Liverpool, Chelsea, Spurs, Bournemouth, Wolves. Probably a few others.

I dunno, would a Chelsea fan have been all that entertained yesterday? They didn't exactly produce much, except failed attempt after failed attempt on goal.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Confucius on December 24, 2017, 11:53:41 AM
I dunno, would a Chelsea fan have been all that entertained yesterday? They didn't exactly produce much, except failed attempt after failed attempt on goal.

I would love to watch Hazard week in and week out. What a player
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Bluedylan on December 24, 2017, 11:59:54 AM
I dunno, would a Chelsea fan have been all that entertained yesterday? They didn't exactly produce much, except failed attempt after failed attempt on goal.

The season lasts longer than one game. I presume you watch football outside of Everton?
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: GLewis on December 24, 2017, 12:38:56 PM
Iíd say Chelsea play decent stuff because they have good players; not because of a fixation on playing stuff that is good to watch first and foremost.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 24, 2017, 12:47:31 PM
Arsenal, Liverpool, Chelsea, Spurs, Bournemouth, Wolves. Probably a few others.

Arsenal and Liverpool are both slaughtered for being soft defensively because of it. Bournemouth are shite and wolves are the Man City of the championship as they have some odd relationship that sees them getting champions league type players on loan

Does anyone play pretty football and get results that are comfortably better than their squads. Personally I think we can elevate a side with organisation and workrate. I'm not sure you can elevate them by asking them to be more talented than they actually are
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Bluedylan on December 24, 2017, 12:58:53 PM
Iíd say Chelsea play decent stuff because they have good players; not because of a fixation on playing stuff that is good to watch first and foremost.

Agreed and neither do I have that fixation. I believe that the best way for us to be a successful team, long term, is to be able to play football and control games and periods in games. Hoofball will get us to 7th fairly easily every season, but it's very unlikely to take us any higher than that (imo).
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 24, 2017, 01:06:09 PM
Agreed and neither do I have that fixation. I believe that the best way for us to be a successful team, long term, is to be able to play football and control games and periods in games. Hoofball will get us to 7th fairly easily every season, but it's very unlikely to take us any higher than that (imo).


Think the only way to be a successful team is to have quality players. They aren't no successful teams that don't have great footballers.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Bluedylan on December 24, 2017, 01:09:02 PM
Does anyone play pretty football and get results that are comfortably better than their squads. Personally I think we can elevate a side with organisation and workrate. I'm not sure you can elevate them by asking them to be more talented than they actually are

Again I'm not wanting 'pretty' football, for the sake of it. We have plenty of talented footballers, and lots of resources now. If we end up taking the Moyesian damage limitation attitude to games against the big 6 for the next few seasons, 7th will be our ceiling.

Spurs play really attractive football and have punched massively above their weight relative to a miniscule net spend (£1m between 2012-2016) by recruiting superbly, having a superb manager and developing young players. We really don't need to resort to lowest common denominator football.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: BlueMaquis on December 24, 2017, 01:17:55 PM
The season lasts longer than one game. I presume you watch football outside of Everton?

Not really. Used to, but there's better things to do these days.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Bluedylan on December 24, 2017, 01:22:32 PM
Not really. Used to, but there's better things to do these days.

Fair enough.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 24, 2017, 01:24:24 PM
Again I'm not wanting 'pretty' football, for the sake of it. We have plenty of talented footballers, and lots of resources now. If we end up taking the Moyesian damage limitation attitude to games against the big 6 for the next few seasons, 7th will be our ceiling.

Spurs play really attractive football and have punched massively above their weight relative to a miniscule net spend (£1m between 2012-2016) by recruiting superbly, having a superb manager and developing young players. We really don't need to resort to lowest common denominator football.

Totally agree. Long term we have to have a go at the teams above us if we want to break their monopoly. I've zero issue with doing that using a quality targetman and some clever runners around him though.
Spurs are a little different in that they have a worldclass squad through brilliant transfer dealings. We do have some quality footballers but we are also missing large chunks of what makes a successful attack too.
Honestly think we'll do very well in the next couple of transfer windows. Think we'll try to add 2 or 3 standout flair players to go with what allardyce brings defensively. We will still be short of the 6 above us. We'll still play a little like we did yesterday and against Liverpool but we'll do it knowing we have a decent chance of fashioning a few chances at the other end too.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Sir Stealth on December 24, 2017, 01:40:00 PM
I think in order to keep the job past this season he will need to show signs of better football. But for now, a blueprint of beating all the shit teams and being solid and getting a point against the top 6 sides will be surprisingly effective at rocketing us up the table

Sam deserves the benefit of the doubt for now due to the sheer amount of games weíve had in such a short space of time, the appalling form we had going into his appointment, the amount of injuries we have, the individual form of big chunks of the squad and the total lack of shape and defensive organisation we had prior to his apppointment

At the moment we really couldnít have played open attacking football and beaten Liverpool away and Chelsea at home. A point was good in both games given how often weíve had a spanking at Anfield in recent years and how good the champions form has been in the last 10 matches

If Sam steers us to 7th and the team is more solid, with lots of young players having gained valuable first team minutes, then I think heís done a good job.

We will need to see better football if heís to take the job beyond next season though
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Bluedylan on December 24, 2017, 01:45:08 PM
I think in order to keep the job past this season he will need to show signs of better football. But for now, a blueprint of beating all the shit teams and being solid and getting a point against the top 6 sides will be surprisingly effective at rocketing us up the table

Sam deserves the benefit of the doubt for now due to the sheer amount of games weíve had in such a short space of time, the appalling form we had going into his appointment, the amount of injuries we have, the individual form of big chunks of the squad and the total lack of shape and defensive organisation we had prior to his apppointment

At the moment we really couldnít have played open attacking football and beaten Liverpool away and Chelsea at home. A point was good in both games given how often weíve had a spanking at Anfield in recent years and how good the champions form has been in the last 10 matches

If Sam steers us to 7th and the team is more solid, with lots of young players having gained valuable first team minutes, then I think heís done a good job.

We will need to see better football if heís to take the job beyond next season though

Yep, agree with that and have said the same repeatedly (as has Allardyce). Lots of benefit of the doubt at the moment, but need to see real progress in the coming months and next season.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: therealdunc on December 24, 2017, 02:07:07 PM
Arsenal, Liverpool, Chelsea, Spurs, Bournemouth, Wolves. Probably a few others.
Arsenal - Iím not so sure
Spurs - In spells
Liverpool - yes but only on the counter
Chelsea - yes

The thing with the above, they all have better players than Everton.

That is a major issue

Bournemouth are naive and not very attractive at all, they spend large parts of the game defending and winning the ball back because they leave themselves wide open and donít have the quality to break teams down

Wolves have spent a fortune for the championship and got into bed with a super agent.
Their team is far superior to the opposition
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: ajax_andy on December 24, 2017, 03:19:07 PM
I can tell you now, I'll slaughter him.

Which a lot of fans seem to do in his 2nd season in charge of a club which makes me think there's a larger chance than not of him still playing that way next year.

Time will tell, he's doing great so far but he'll need to find a way of being effective against the better teams that isn't parking the bus and hoping to grind out a nil nil
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: pjk on December 24, 2017, 03:30:35 PM
I think in order to keep the job past this season he will need to show signs of better football. But for now, a blueprint of beating all the shit teams and being solid and getting a point against the top 6 sides will be surprisingly effective at rocketing us up the table

Sam deserves the benefit of the doubt for now due to the sheer amount of games weíve had in such a short space of time, the appalling form we had going into his appointment, the amount of injuries we have, the individual form of big chunks of the squad and the total lack of shape and defensive organisation we had prior to his apppointment

At the moment we really couldnít have played open attacking football and beaten Liverpool away and Chelsea at home. A point was good in both games given how often weíve had a spanking at Anfield in recent years and how good the champions form has been in the last 10 matches

If Sam steers us to 7th and the team is more solid, with lots of young players having gained valuable first team minutes, then I think heís done a good job.

We will need to see better football if heís to take the job beyond next season though



This is what's got me baffled, as to the reactions to a 1-1 at Anfield and a 0-0 at home to Chelsea. We beat the other four teams fairly and squarely. No hammering away to the other lot and no mauling against Chelsea like we took against Arsenal 5-2 at home. Once again, everyone has the answers, but they're not taking home 6 million quid a year for putting it right. Sam Allardyce despite his shortcomings, is doing exactly what he was recruited to do. When, or if, we start taking unacceptable beatings this Forum is going to light up like the proverbial Christmas tree. Or, would that be more like Dante's Inferno. :)
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Bluedylan on December 24, 2017, 03:30:53 PM
Which a lot of fans seem to do in his 2nd season in charge of a club which makes me think there's a larger chance than not of him still playing that way next year.

Time will tell, he's doing great so far but he'll need to find a way of being effective against the better teams that isn't parking the bus and hoping to grind out a nil nil

Yep, I think that's fair. It's probably where some of the disagreements are coming from.

Of course he's done well so far and you'd have to be a madman or a liar not to acknowledge that.

But some of us are projecting the situation forward (maybe unfairly) and wondering how the situation might look in a year's time and wondering if the pattern of some of his previous clubs might be repeated.

He's making the right noises about improving the football, which is good. One thing saying it like, and another thing coaching it. Koeman often said it and was getting progressively further away from it.

A counter argument is that he hasn't had the finances to play better football until now, which is valid. Time will tell, and he clearly realised that this is his big chance and that we will want more than West Ham or Palace fans in both style and substance, and Moshiri will want more himself.

We'll see.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Simon Paul on December 24, 2017, 03:35:46 PM
He's here until the end of his contract unless we get relegated, which we won't this season

We may even qualify for Europa League next season (even this at a push) but that's when the test comes

We made the mistake of believing Moyes was good enough to take us beyond UEFA Cup football. We should say thanks to Allardyce and move on in 18 months.

He will be 65 and - in the past - at that stage the club would be offering silly length contracts to make him stay, like we did Moyes and Martinez.

We would be more attractive to better, younger managers with a different approach to the game then.

We sunk to a point where we were desperate for a manager who had never been anywhere bigger than Newcastle, we need to bounce back from that ASAP. We've started the first part with the points.

Let's not get complacent and give a pensioner a five year deal and end up treading water as we head towards the docks - we want to be in a speedboat, not water wings.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: van der Meyde on December 24, 2017, 04:28:34 PM
I believe that the best way for us to be a successful team, long term, is to be able to play football and control games and periods in games. Hoofball will get us to 7th fairly easily every season, but it's very unlikely to take us any higher than that (imo).

(Took me ages to get around to finish typing this up, but now everyone's already said basically the same thing... still posting it though. :))

I think this is pretty much the only explanation that gets me nodding along with the need to play a bit better.

In the main, I get my entertainment from the results. Two hours after the match, I don't care about the style if we've got a result. If we've lost though, the negativity stays with me for days (and this is only compounded by Twitter and messageboards).

Long term though, @Bluedylan (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=3747) is right, we will be in a much better position to compete for honours if we can keep the ball better in games like yesterday and away from home.

We restricted Chelsea and Liverpool to, in the main, pot shots. But they had so many of them that when they did beat Pickford we relied on them being cleared off the line or not hitting the target. You play those games over 10 times it's almost a coin flip on whether we lose or draw. The chances of us winning them are minimal.

I do think Allardyce has taken a reasonable course so far though. The fragility around the team - and around the crowd - was toxic.

Now we've become more solid, I'm hoping there'll be small improvements over the next couple of months and I'm hoping that will come with increased confidence too. I don't think drastic changes are needed personally either.

Pickford had plenty of opportunities for him to roll the ball out quickly to defenders  rather than launch it yesterday, but he didn't trust them not to lose it. As Schneiderlin becomes more positive, hopefully that will feed through to the rest. The centre halves who will play it to him, rather than Pickford etc.

A few small improvements like that will probably see us do a lot better as we have a lot of decent footballers. Hopefully Allardyce can implement them soon enough.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: BlueBeagle on December 24, 2017, 04:55:43 PM
He's here until the end of his contract unless we get relegated, which we won't this season

We may even qualify for Europa League next season (even this at a push) but that's when the test comes

We made the mistake of believing Moyes was good enough to take us beyond UEFA Cup football. We should say thanks to Allardyce and move on in 18 months.

He will be 65 and - in the past - at that stage the club would be offering silly length contracts to make him stay, like we did Moyes and Martinez.

We would be more attractive to better, younger managers with a different approach to the game then.

We sunk to a point where we were desperate for a manager who had never been anywhere bigger than Newcastle, we need to bounce back from that ASAP. We've started the first part with the points.

Let's not get complacent and give a pensioner a five year deal and end up treading water as we head towards the docks - we want to be in a speedboat, not water wings.

So no matter how he does in the next 18 months, we fuck him off because he's 65 and we're moving to a new stadium at some point?
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Simon Paul on December 24, 2017, 05:05:29 PM
So no matter how he does in the next 18 months, we fuck him off because he's 65 and we're moving to a new stadium at some point?

And because to be a top six side you don't have Sam allardyce as manager
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: blargins on December 24, 2017, 05:07:53 PM
And because to be a top six side you don't have Sam allardyce as manager
What happens if he has us finishing fifth next season?
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Simon Paul on December 24, 2017, 05:08:37 PM
What happens if he has us finishing fifth next season?

We say thanks and get someone in who can get us higher more frequently. Moyes had us to fourth once.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on December 24, 2017, 05:12:07 PM
Christmas Sprouts....Big Sam blanches his the day before, drains them and pops them in the fridge overnight, then just before the big big meal he fries them in butter with bacon bits and a smidge of black pepper. Big Sam says "even the under 21s will eat these mothers"    Merry christmas Big Sam.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Lxxx on December 24, 2017, 05:15:02 PM
And because to be a top six side you don't have Sam allardyce as manager

He's never had a crack at the top 6 in his career so he can't be judged on his inability to crack it until such a time. I was very sceptical about his appointment, more so because of how I perceive him as a person than his ability as a manager but to be fair I'll judge now as I find and so far I can't knock him.

You've been critical of Moyes, Koeman and now Allardyce on here with only our worst manager in the last decade, Martinez, being spared. I find that quite strange.   
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 24, 2017, 05:15:33 PM
We say thanks and get someone in who can get us higher more frequently. Moyes had us to fourth once.

More frequently than once in 1 full season? That's a big ask
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Mayor Farnum on December 24, 2017, 05:18:02 PM
I think we may be underestimating the strength of the top six and overestimating our ability to attract the type of players capable of delivering top six.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on December 24, 2017, 05:22:22 PM
I think we may be underestimating the strength of the top six and overestimating our ability to attract the type of players capable of delivering top six.
In the words of the great Steven Fry former lead singer with ABC "lower your sights but raise your aim"
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Simon Paul on December 24, 2017, 05:31:18 PM
He's never had a crack at the top 6 in his career so he can't be judged on his inability to crack it until such a time. I was very sceptical about his appointment, more so because of how I perceive him as a person than his ability as a manager but to be fair I'll judge now as I find and so far I can't knock him.

You've been critical of Moyes, Koeman and now Allardyce on here with only our worst manager in the last decade, Martinez, being spared. I find that quite strange.

You've missed my posts where I say we played attacking football but got webbed under him then. I find it quite strange that you would purposely ignore that post which was among the others you've clearly read.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: BlueBeagle on December 24, 2017, 05:41:42 PM
So who is this incredible, young, exciting, attack-minded, manager who also "gets" Everton that's going to shake up the Premier League?
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Ramjam on December 24, 2017, 05:43:29 PM
So who is this incredible, young, exciting, attack-minded, manager who also "gets" Everton that's going to shake up the Premier League?

Franny Jeffers
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Lxxx on December 24, 2017, 05:47:43 PM
You've missed my posts where I say we played attacking football but got webbed under him then. I find it quite strange that you would purposely ignore that post which was among the others you've clearly read.

I didn't see that post to be honest (and scrolling back still can't find it) but I think it's fair to say you've cut Martinez more slack than he was really due. Not got a problem with it as it's your perogative and we're all entitled to our opinion but I just find you writing off Allardyce so early in his tenure strange, as he should be given a fair crack of the whip to show what he can do. Once he's rebuilt our shattered confidence and moulded the squad to one he thinks can bring us more progressive football.   
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: pjk on December 24, 2017, 05:49:28 PM
We say thanks and get someone in who can get us higher more frequently. Moyes had us to fourth once.



What happens if we win the league?
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Simon Paul on December 24, 2017, 05:50:30 PM


What happens if we win the league?

my cock falls off
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Simon Paul on December 24, 2017, 05:50:51 PM
So who is this incredible, young, exciting, attack-minded, manager who also "gets" Everton that's going to shake up the Premier League?

Bobby Robson
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: BlueBeagle on December 24, 2017, 05:51:24 PM
Bobby Robson

Yeah thought as much.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Simon Paul on December 24, 2017, 05:52:08 PM
Yeah thought as much.

To be honest, after the mess I've made with the previous four managerial appointments, would you trust me again?
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: blargins on December 24, 2017, 05:57:03 PM
We say thanks and get someone in who can get us higher more frequently. Moyes had us to fourth once.

We struggle finding someone who can get us to 7th.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: GLewis on December 24, 2017, 05:58:14 PM
Agreed and neither do I have that fixation. I believe that the best way for us to be a successful team, long term, is to be able to play football and control games and periods in games. Hoofball will get us to 7th fairly easily every season, but it's very unlikely to take us any higher than that (imo).


Allardyce should be aiming for an Atlťtico style ultimately.

Weíve shown we can score decent goals so itís a question of getting that out more often.

Whatever style though you need players who keep the ball in the final third; which we still lack in numbers.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 24, 2017, 06:03:47 PM
So who is this incredible, young, exciting, attack-minded, manager who also "gets" Everton that's going to shake up the Premier League?

It's silva obviously. No fee when they sack him and he's pretty
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Lxxx on December 24, 2017, 06:17:11 PM
Allardyce should be aiming for an Atlťtico style ultimately.

We’ve shown we can score decent goals so it’s a question of getting that out more often.

Whatever style though you need players who keep the ball in the final third; which we still lack in numbers.

Which is strange as Rooney and Sig are both very gifted technically and DCL has a great first touch but we can't keep hold of the ball for more than a few seconds in and around the business end of the pitch. Bolasie's return, whilst offering more going forwards, ultimately brings more unpredictability to our play as well. 
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 24, 2017, 06:21:56 PM
Which is strange as Rooney and Sig are both very gifted technically and DCL has a great first touch but we can't keep hold of the ball for more than a few seconds in and around the business end of the pitch. Bolasie's return, whilst offering more going forwards, ultimately brings more unpredictability to our play as well. 

Is rooney technically gifted (and consistent) now. Pretty much every match thread has a good 30 minutes complaining about his passing

DCL is not a good premier league player currently either. His hold up play is very erratic

Bolaise while unpredictable will stretch teams and give space for others to play in. A quality target man will be the midfield up the pitch. Need a ball carrying playmaker too. Need Coleman back cos as good as JJK has been he's not got the same attacking threat

We'll be a much better team when this next window ends
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on December 24, 2017, 06:27:49 PM
It's silva obviously. No fee when they sack him and he's pretty
Pretty shite at the moment...but trendy
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Lxxx on December 24, 2017, 06:27:56 PM
Is rooney technically gifted (and consistent) now. Pretty much every match thread has a good 30 minutes complaining about his passing

DCL is not a good premier league player currently either. His hold up play is very erratic

Bolaise while unpredictable will stretch teams and give space for others to play in. A quality target man will be the midfield up the pitch. Need a ball carrying playmaker too. Need Coleman back cos as good as JJK has been he's not got the same attacking threat

We'll be a much better team when this next window ends

Rooney's periods of slackness are due to lapses in concentration, not because he's suddently forgotten everything that made him one of the most gifted players of his generation.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: BlueBeagle on December 24, 2017, 06:28:30 PM
We struggle finding someone who can get us to 7th.

Stop living in the real world please.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 24, 2017, 06:36:04 PM
Stop living in the real world please.

It's amazing isn't it. Like we are just a different manager off having all that pace movement and ability in attacking positions. Can't wait til he comes and Lennon becomes Salah
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: van der Meyde on December 24, 2017, 07:04:52 PM
Allardyce should be aiming for an Atlťtico style ultimately.

Weíve shown we can score decent goals so itís a question of getting that out more often.

Whatever style though you need players who keep the ball in the final third; which we still lack in numbers.
Atletico is probably the best fit given Allardyce's strengths.

Tottenham, Chelsea, Mourinho's teams are all based on solid defences too though. Plenty of blueprints we can follow.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Everton Mint on December 24, 2017, 08:28:31 PM

We made the mistake of believing Moyes was good enough to take us beyond UEFA Cup football. We should say thanks to Allardyce and move on in 18 months.


Martinez and Koeman didnt get us any further despite the former inheriting a great basis left by Moyes and the latter having loads more money to spend...

It's not easy to make a team able to compete at the very top. Only Spurs have done so coming from a similar starting point and they are still inconsistent and still haven't won anything.

We have to aim there of course but there is NO guarantee of us ever making it, short of spending £100m's like City did.  And Moshiri hasnt got that sort of money.

A manager like Pocchetino would be great, but how rare are they ...
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 24, 2017, 08:34:24 PM
Martinez and Koeman didnt get us any further despite the former inheriting a great basis left by Moyes and the latter having loads more money to spend...

It's not easy to make a team able to compete at the very top. Only Spurs have done so coming from a similar starting point and they are still inconsistent and still haven't won anything.

We have to aim there of course but there is NO guarantee of us ever making it, short of spending £100m's like City did.  And Moshiri hasnt got that sort of money.

A manager like Pocchetino would be great, but how rare are they ...

And they had a 150m plus striker come through their youth system
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Mayor Farnum on December 24, 2017, 08:53:32 PM
Spurs have outspent us considerably in the Premier League era, they have just recouped much of it because they can't hold on to their better players, despite the odd season in the Champions League. That is a dilemma facing clubs that can't buy their way to the top in one fell swoop. Their decent players won't wait around for five years while you build.
We spent more on Sig than Liverpool did on Sallah but if we had have gone after Sallah he wouldn't have given us a second look.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Confucius on December 24, 2017, 09:07:22 PM
I am with Si here. Unless Allardyce looks like he can challenge the top 4 by end of his 18 months he should not be given a contract extension
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: BlueBeagle on December 24, 2017, 09:10:40 PM
A manager like Pocchetino would be great, but how rare are they ...

For all the circle jerking over Pocchetino, he's achieved fuck all really.

Finished 4th twice, the first of which was when Chelsea and United had an absolute nightmare.

All the while having one of the most in-form forwards in the world at his disposal.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 24, 2017, 09:16:17 PM
I am with Si here. Unless Allardyce looks like he can challenge the top 4 by end of his 18 months he should not be given a contract extension

And appoint which miracle worker? They all have better players than us and more money.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: BlueBeagle on December 24, 2017, 09:21:40 PM
And appoint which miracle worker?

This is where people then start giving it the "Well it's the clubs job to find the right man" whilst offering absolutely no suggestions themselves.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Mayor Farnum on December 24, 2017, 09:35:23 PM
I am with Si here. Unless Allardyce looks like he can challenge the top 4 by end of his 18 months he should not be given a contract extension

Irrespective of what he is given to spend?
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Bluedylan on December 24, 2017, 09:39:16 PM
For all the circle jerking over Pocchetino, he's achieved fuck all really.

Finished 4th twice, the first of which was when Chelsea and United had an absolute nightmare.

All the while having one of the most in-form forwards in the world at his disposal.

What a load of inaccurate nonsense.

Finished 5th, 3rd and 2nd. They got 86 points last season. That's incredible.

He was the one who put Kane in the team. Kane had done nothing before that. 2 goals on loan at Leicester in 13 appearances, the season before Pochettino arrived.

In Pochettino's first three seasons they had net spends of -£1.2m and -£7.8m and +£27m. This is while their competitors are spending hundreds of millions each season.

He's made the careers of about 7 or 8 players who were nothing before he arrived.

Do a bit of research before you talk such unadulterated nonsense next time.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: BlueBeagle on December 24, 2017, 09:40:46 PM
What a load of inaccurate nonsense.

Finished 5th, 3rd and 2nd. They got 86 points last season. That's incredible.

He was the one who put Kane in the team. Kane had done nothing before that. 2 goals on loan at Leicester in 13 appearances, the season before Pochettino arrived.

In Pochettino's first three seasons they had net spends of -£1.2m and -£7.8m and +£27m. This is while their competitors are spending hundreds of millions each season.

He's made the careers of about 7 or 8 players who were nothing before he arrived.

Do a bit of research before you talk such unadulterated nonsense next time.

So yeah, he's won nothing, finished in the top 4 twice (one of which where Chelsea and United were dreadful).

86 points... What silverware did they get for that?

As you were.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: gizzblue on December 24, 2017, 09:53:48 PM
We have just had useless idiots the last or biggest part of five years ....Sam's had a couple of weeks so far ..   we all agree our team is disjointed and shite after the centre circle (attack wise)...so give the guy a window at least a few months ... and see what he does before judging him on his previous employment were he was at best putting out fires .
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Bluedylan on December 24, 2017, 09:54:52 PM
So yeah, he's won nothing, finished in the top 4 twice (one of which where Chelsea and United were dreadful).

86 points... What silverware did they get for that?

As you were.

If a manager had achieved even half of that with us having spent about £15m over 3 seasons (while City spent £298m, and Utd spent £234m in the same period), he would be worshiped like a deity.

Stop talking soft, you're making yourself look stupid.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: BlueBeagle on December 24, 2017, 10:01:26 PM
If a manager had achieved even half of that with us having spent about £15m over 3 seasons (while City spent £298m, and Utd spent £234m in the same period), he would be worshiped like a deity.

Stop talking soft, you're making yourself look stupid.

You mean like Moyes did here?

A manager competing with teams who spend more is nothing new.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: everton1952 on December 24, 2017, 11:22:05 PM
Having progressed from football type suicidal threads on here only a few weeks ago, to where we are now, I can't understand all the negative vibes on here about the new management team or the criticism of our style of play against the current champions. There will be time enough to snipe and moan when we have spent a fair whack on covering our weaknesses and then find we have not changed to a better style of play.   Not now, unless some people prefer to gripe and say how poor we are.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Simon Paul on December 24, 2017, 11:23:35 PM
And appoint which miracle worker? They all have better players than us and more money.

Uri Geller

I dunno, after appointing roberto Martinez and David unsworrh the club have taken the hiring and firing button off me
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 24, 2017, 11:48:04 PM
Uri Geller

I dunno, after appointing roberto Martinez and David unsworrh the club have taken the hiring and firing button off me

Hate people asking for names when it's suggested we could do better so I probably shouldn't either

My point is more that top 4 is asking for a miracle presently and to suggest we change managers if we fall short of that just seems a bit ridiculous to me.

There's not a manager out there that would make us anything but a long shot to finish in the top 4. Guardiola, Simeone, Mourinho, Ferguson. We'd still be outsiders by some distance to qualify for the champions league

We just don't have the finances or the players. Top 4 should be our dream rather than a realistic short term target
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 24, 2017, 11:51:00 PM
You mean like Moyes did here?

A manager competing with teams who spend more is nothing new.
Moyes to pochetino are worlds apart
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Simon Paul on December 24, 2017, 11:53:20 PM
Hate people asking for names when it's suggested we could do better so I probably shouldn't either

My point is more that top 4 is asking for a miracle presently and to suggest we change managers if we fall short of that just seems a bit ridiculous to me.

There's not a manager out there that would make us anything but a long shot to finish in the top 4. Guardiola, Simeone, Mourinho, Ferguson. We'd still be outsiders by some distance to qualify for the champions league

We just don't have the finances or the players. Top 4 should be our dream rather than a realistic short term target


After 18 months of steadying the ship - which is all anyone should expect from Allardyce rather than getting carried away - then with good purchases from Walsh and co then we should be in a position to attack the top four within a couple of years
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 25, 2017, 12:02:15 AM

After 18 months of steadying the ship - which is all anyone should expect from Allardyce rather than getting carried away - then with good purchases from Walsh and co then we should be in a position to attack the top four within a couple of years

Should we? It will take unbelievable work in the transfer market or a lot more investment than looks likely

Also even if we are what if we are in part because of allardyces work with Walsh and allardyces man management and tactics.

If we are on the verge in 18 months then it's highly likely that it's to allardyces credit. We then just get rid and have a punt on someone else?? If that's a simeone or a guardiola I can see the logic. If it's the next koeman or silva we'll be giving up what will then be a proven team for just a hopeful punt .
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: blargins on December 25, 2017, 12:18:00 AM
Should we? It will take unbelievable work in the transfer market or a lot more investment than looks likely

Also even if we are what if we are in part because of allardyces work with Walsh and allardyces man management and tactics.

If we are on the verge in 18 months then it's highly likely that it's to allardyces credit. We then just get rid and have a punt on someone else?? If that's a simeone or a guardiola I can see the logic. If it's the next koeman or silva we'll be giving up what will then be a proven team for just a hopeful punt .

Agreed. Our next manager needs to be very high profile and totally proven. Maybe Simeone will be interested then? However, it would be harsh on Allardyce if he has finally cracked it and wants to continue.

But as you say, if it's for getting the standard of manager we've had in the past, what's the point?
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: BlueBeagle on December 25, 2017, 12:18:25 AM
Moyes to pochetino are worlds apart

Did I say they weren't?

It was an example of a manager who, in the past at least, managed to exceed expectations based on the budget available to him.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: TheRam on December 25, 2017, 12:20:18 AM
Did I say they weren't?

It was an example of a manager who, in the past at least, managed to exceed expectations based on the budget available to him.

Is there an actual point you're trying to make here?
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: BlueBeagle on December 25, 2017, 12:27:29 AM
Is there an actual point you're trying to make here?

You thick or just trying to be a cunt?

Somebody made a statement based on a post I made. I'm further explaining that post to avoid anybody believing I'm saying Moyes and Pochettino are of a similar level.

Clear enough sergeant?

Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Shogun on December 25, 2017, 12:30:36 AM
Big Sam then
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: TheRam on December 25, 2017, 12:36:18 AM
You thick or just trying to be a cunt?

Somebody made a statement based on a post I made. I'm further explaining that post to avoid anybody believing I'm saying Moyes and Pochettino are of a similar level.

Clear enough sergeant?



The latter to answer your question. Something you're more than familiar with.

Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: BlueBeagle on December 25, 2017, 12:37:09 AM
The latter to answer your question. Something you're more than familiar with.

Alright Prinny, jog on.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Mayor Farnum on December 25, 2017, 12:47:24 AM
We're putting the horse before the cart. Give Sam, or any other manager we can currently attract, 350 million to spend and if he doesn't make us Champions League regulars we will have a definitive answer.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 25, 2017, 12:58:54 AM
Did I say they weren't?

It was an example of a manager who, in the past at least, managed to exceed expectations based on the budget available to him.
So what are you saying
For one year david moyes competed, yet pochetino has for several. I'm not sure I get what the point is?
Is it that anyone can do it once but pochetino has done it more?
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Ell Capitan on December 25, 2017, 01:50:58 AM
Again I'm not wanting 'pretty' football, for the sake of it. We have plenty of talented footballers, and lots of resources now. If we end up taking the Moyesian damage limitation attitude to games against the big 6 for the next few seasons, 7th will be our ceiling.

Why? Obv very early days but under Allardyce weíre dispatching all the shit teams and not losing to the good ones. If you can maintain something akin to that form for a decent stretch I really donít see why we couldnít challenge for 5th, say.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Hannibal Lecter on December 25, 2017, 02:45:40 AM
Agreed. Our next manager needs to be very high profile and totally proven. Maybe Simeone will be interested then? However, it would be harsh on Allardyce if he has finally cracked it and wants to continue.

But as you say, if it's for getting the standard of manager we've had in the past, what's the point?
Agree that the next manager needs to be high profile no matter what Allardyce achieve. When his contract runs out we should go separate ways, no matter what.

If he wins something then we are on top and should capitalize on that and recruit whatever top manager available. To show that we want to stay up top.

Harsh, maybe but he is also paid good money for being here.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: ajax_andy on December 25, 2017, 02:51:10 AM
Agree that the next manager needs to be high profile no matter what Allardyce achieve. When his contract runs out we should go separate ways, no matter what.

If he wins something then we are on top and should capitalize on that and recruit whatever top manager available. To show that we want to stay up top.

Harsh, maybe but he is also paid good money for being here.

Get rid of a manager who wins us our first trophy in over 20 years?

The delusion of the modern day fan is real
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Hannibal Lecter on December 25, 2017, 02:56:36 AM
Get rid of a manager who wins us our first trophy in over 20 years?

The delusion of the modern day fan is real
I want us to be pragmatic and successful, not nice litte plucky Everton.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 25, 2017, 02:57:26 AM
Agree that the next manager needs to be high profile no matter what Allardyce achieve. When his contract runs out we should go separate ways, no matter what.

If he wins something then we are on top and should capitalize on that and recruit whatever top manager available. To show that we want to stay up top.

Harsh, maybe but he is also paid good money for being here.

No matter what he achieves or who's available? Sounds like a very sensible plan
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 25, 2017, 02:58:15 AM
I want us to be pragmatic and successful, not nice litte plucky Everton.

It's pragmatic to decide he needs to go in 18 months regardless? 
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Hannibal Lecter on December 25, 2017, 04:15:46 AM
It's pragmatic to decide he needs to go in 18 months regardless?
In this case? Yes.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 25, 2017, 04:24:08 AM
In this case? Yes.


It was more of a rhetorical question because it's really not.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Risky on December 25, 2017, 04:35:55 AM
Why? Obv very early days but under Allardyce weíre dispatching all the shit teams and not losing to the good ones. If you can maintain something akin to that form for a decent stretch I really donít see why we couldnít challenge for 5th, say.

Maintaining that would defo get us in to that area, but I think that the form we've managed so far based on this style of football is unsustainable.  We'll start to lose some of the games we've sneaked draws in, and we'll not break down some of the teams we've beaten every time either.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: pjk on December 25, 2017, 04:40:41 AM
Someone's been eating too many people or drinking too much Chianti. "Sitherrr"! :eh:
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on December 25, 2017, 05:36:22 AM
So regardless of what Sam achieves in the next 18 months, he needs to step aside for the new guy, who will attempt to achieve what Sam may or may not have achieved already...?

Sound.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: chang on December 25, 2017, 05:58:52 AM
I like him, always have done - gives a straight answer to questions - had to chuckle at the end of press conference few days ago when all the guys were standing up in front of the camera, he muttered "bloody hell 25 years" in reference to when he had his first managers job.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: blargins on December 25, 2017, 09:00:28 AM
Letís take it one step at a time. Who knows what will be in 18 months time?

With us lately it seems weíd do better having a new manager every season.

Look at recent history.

Martinez. Season one was great. The other two disasters.

Koeman. Season one pretty good. Season two awful.

Allardyce. So far so good. Probably next season will be shit based on recent history.

Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Confucius on December 25, 2017, 11:01:36 AM
Allardyce will be supported in the next two transfer windows. As long as their is an upwards trajectory it's ok to keep him. But... if a top class manager becomes available, like say Simeone and we can get him. Then we get rid of Sam. Same goes for players, if a better option than what we have becomes available then you get that player.

We might not be able to attract better players with Allardyce in charge. Perhaps we will need a better manager before we can get the better players.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Dr. Sponge on December 25, 2017, 04:47:57 PM
Can we stop suggesting Diego Simeone will be our manager? It's all a bit silly isn't it?
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Toddacelli on December 25, 2017, 04:48:36 PM
Allardyce will be supported in the next two transfer windows. As long as their is an upwards trajectory it's ok to keep him. But... if a top class manager becomes available, like say Simeone and we can get him. Then we get rid of Sam. Same goes for players, if a better option than what we have becomes available then you get that player.

We might not be able to attract better players with Allardyce in charge. Perhaps we will need a better manager before we can get the better players.
That's the first argument for getting rid of Allardyce that I can understand. Big players want to play for big names.
Me - I just want the Everton manager to be successful - whoever it is. Wasn't impressed when we appointed him but I've been very impressed since he arrived.
Keep up the good work.
And Merry Christmas.
God bless us - every one.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 25, 2017, 05:25:32 PM
Can we stop suggesting Diego Simeone will be our manager? It's all a bit silly isn't it?

It wasn't a suggestion by me (as I originally said it) it was more how can people say we should definitely get rid of the manager we have regardless of success unless it's for an elite manager.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 25, 2017, 05:27:42 PM
That's the first argument for getting rid of Allardyce that I can understand. Big players want to play for big names.
Me - I just want the Everton manager to be successful - whoever it is. Wasn't impressed when we appointed him but I've been very impressed since he arrived.
Keep up the good work.
And Merry Christmas.
God bless us - every one.

I don't even think it's true. Big players want to play for them big managers because with them come big transfer budgets, big wages, other top players and so trophies

If we appointed guardiola but all our budgets stayed the same we wouldn't attract players the top sides wanted
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Dr. Sponge on December 25, 2017, 09:18:54 PM
It wasn't a suggestion by me (as I originally said it) it was more how can people say we should definitely get rid of the manager we have regardless of success unless it's for an elite manager.

My bad.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: therealdunc on December 26, 2017, 04:42:00 AM
I don't even think it's true. Big players want to play for them big managers because with them come big transfer budgets, big wages, other top players and so trophies

If we appointed guardiola but all our budgets stayed the same we wouldn't attract players the top sides wanted

Agree

Players rarely sign for managers, the only exception in the premier league seems to be Guardiola

Most players admit they sign for the money, club and ambition - 3 things we need to get more off.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Shogun on December 26, 2017, 04:47:02 AM
Can we stop suggesting Diego Simeone will be our manager? It's all a bit silly isn't it?

Knowing Everton, heíd turn out shite for us anyway
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: JordanianEmbassy on December 26, 2017, 05:27:57 PM
The idea that you can get any manager to spend 18 months "steadying the ship" and then sack him and let someone else take over is utter nonsense. A new manager brings new ideas, likes different players, and will be liked by different players. You'd effectively be starting again.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Bluedylan on December 30, 2017, 11:05:45 PM
All my life, up until very recently, I celebrated like a madman whenever we scored, I'd be fuming when we conceded and I'd be absolutely gutted if we lost a game. Probably the same with all of us.

But watching us approach games the way we are doing, against teams like West Brom and Bournemouth, it's sort of knocking the stuffing out of me. I'm not buzzing that much if we score, and I'm not all that gutted if we concede or lose, and I'm really not used to feeling like that. It's sucking the life out of watching Everton.

I know we've got limited players in some areas, and an unbalanced squad and all that but I really can't get too invested in watching us approach games like this. I'm trying to give Allardyce the benefit of the doubt but it's almost indefensible to go to 18th and 19th in the league, and set up the way we are.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Confucius on December 30, 2017, 11:18:07 PM
He is the Big fraud. What a loser with a loser mentality. Makes Moyes look like an attacking genius.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Alanvideo on December 30, 2017, 11:18:59 PM
All my life, up until very recently, I celebrated like a madman whenever we scored, I'd be fuming when we conceded and I'd be absolutely gutted if we lost a game. Probably the same with all of us.

But watching us approach games the way we are doing, against teams like West Brom and Bournemouth, it's sort of knocking the stuffing out of me. I'm not buzzing that much if we score, and I'm not all that gutted if we concede or lose, and I'm really not used to feeling like that. It's sucking the life out of watching Everton.

I know we've got limited players in some areas, and an unbalanced squad and all that but I really can't get too invested in watching us approach games like this. I'm trying to give Allardyce the benefit of the doubt but it's almost indefensible to go to 18th and 19th in the league, and set up the way we are.
..................good description of how most fans will feel . Sam just sets up 'not to lose ' and today it went wrong ,as it nearly did at WBA. Is he just underlining  the point to the board that we need a few new players  ?
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Bluedylan on December 30, 2017, 11:31:30 PM
..................good description of how most fans will feel . Sam just sets up 'not to lose ' and today it went wrong ,as it nearly did at WBA. Is he just underlining  the point to the board that we need a few new players  ?

I don't know Al. I don't think he's in a position to throw games away like that to make a point, and I imagine he knows that himself. He can just tell the board what he needs, and money isn't a problem so I don't think that's an issue.

Could he try to maybe set up with a balanced formation with Gylfi as the 10, and wingers either side. Why not try that? People saying Klaassen isn't showing anything but he was the captain of Ajax in the EL final last year. He has to be a better player than he has shown. Shouldn't the manager be working with him to help rediscover that ability, rather than just leaving him out of squads altogether. Where are Vlasic and Lookman. Fucking try them! It has to be better than hoofball, and the fans will at least give Sam more of a break for trying something more offensive.

It's all so deeply, deeply, predictably uninspiring.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Dr. Sponge on December 30, 2017, 11:39:17 PM
All my life, up until very recently, I celebrated like a madman whenever we scored, I'd be fuming when we conceded and I'd be absolutely gutted if we lost a game. Probably the same with all of us.

But watching us approach games the way we are doing, against teams like West Brom and Bournemouth, it's sort of knocking the stuffing out of me. I'm not buzzing that much if we score, and I'm not all that gutted if we concede or lose, and I'm really not used to feeling like that. It's sucking the life out of watching Everton.

I know we've got limited players in some areas, and an unbalanced squad and all that but I really can't get too invested in watching us approach games like this. I'm trying to give Allardyce the benefit of the doubt but it's almost indefensible to go to 18th and 19th in the league, and set up the way we are.

Depressing like isn't it, seeing that team before the game and knowing we're not gonna win. But then you see Rooney and Bolasie come on and look way off the pace. Niasse as well, who was involved in the goal yes, but we all know he's a poor player.

Whatever you think of the manager, it's the quality of the squad that is the the real reason we're this shit. We've had 3 managers this season and it's the least shit we've been.

Without a fit Rooney today, we needed Schneiderlin to be on his game and start moves off. He was dreadful.

5 of our outfield players are good enough for a top 7 side; 2 of them are massively underperforming (Keane & Schneiderlin), 1 is unfit (Rooney) and the other two are Sigurdson and Gueye.

It's utter negligence, from Walsh I presume, to be left with:

Kenny - too young
Martina - shit
Jags - too old
Williams - ok with a good manager, but not good enough
Baines - always injured and well past his best
Holgate - too young
Davies - will be very good but still too young
DCL - too young
Niasse - shit
McCarthy - shit and always injured
Besic - shit
Mirallas - shit
Lookman - raw
Sandro - has been shit every time I've watched him play
Klassen - not PL ready (although hasn't had much of a chance)
Lennon - can't knock his effort, but he has his limitations

Not sure what the score is with Vlasic, I've always thought he looks a good player.

5 of Bournemouth's players today would get into our team. The 2 strikers, the 2 fullbacks and Ake. They were 19th in the table. Rooney and Sigurdson are carrying us, so if they don't both have a worldy we're fucked.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Martip on December 31, 2017, 12:04:34 AM
Depressing like isn't it, seeing that team before the game and knowing we're not gonna win. But then you see Rooney and Bolasie come on and look way off the pace. Niasse as well, who was involved in the goal yes, but we all know he's a poor player.

Whatever you think of the manager, it's the quality of the squad that is the the real reason we're this shit. We've had 3 managers this season and it's the least shit we've been.

Without a fit Rooney today, we needed Schneiderlin to be on his game and start moves off. He was dreadful.

5 of our outfield players are good enough for a top 7 side; 2 of them are massively underperforming (Keane & Schneiderlin), 1 is unfit (Rooney) and the other two are Sigurdson and Gueye.

It's utter negligence, from Walsh I presume, to be left with:

Kenny - too young
Martina - shit
Jags - too old
Williams - ok with a good manager, but not good enough
Baines - always injured and well past his best
Holgate - too young
Davies - will be very good but still too young
DCL - too young
Niasse - shit
McCarthy - shit and always injured
Besic - shit
Mirallas - shit
Lookman - raw
Sandro - has been shit every time I've watched him play
Klassen - not PL ready (although hasn't had much of a chance)
Lennon - can't knock his effort, but he has his limitations

Not sure what the score is with Vlasic, I've always thought he looks a good player.

5 of Bournemouth's players today would get into our team. The 2 strikers, the 2 fullbacks and Ake. They were 19th in the table. Rooney and Sigurdson are carrying us, so if they don't both have a worldy we're fucked.
True says.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: TheTone on December 31, 2017, 12:15:50 AM
Depressing like isn't it, seeing that team before the game and knowing we're not gonna win. But then you see Rooney and Bolasie come on and look way off the pace. Niasse as well, who was involved in the goal yes, but we all know he's a poor player.

Whatever you think of the manager, it's the quality of the squad that is the the real reason we're this shit. We've had 3 managers this season and it's the least shit we've been.

Without a fit Rooney today, we needed Schneiderlin to be on his game and start moves off. He was dreadful.

5 of our outfield players are good enough for a top 7 side; 2 of them are massively underperforming (Keane & Schneiderlin), 1 is unfit (Rooney) and the other two are Sigurdson and Gueye.

It's utter negligence, from Walsh I presume, to be left with:

Kenny - too young
Martina - shit
Jags - too old
Williams - ok with a good manager, but not good enough
Baines - always injured and well past his best
Holgate - too young
Davies - will be very good but still too young
DCL - too young
Niasse - shit
McCarthy - shit and always injured
Besic - shit
Mirallas - shit
Lookman - raw
Sandro - has been shit every time I've watched him play
Klassen - not PL ready (although hasn't had much of a chance)
Lennon - can't knock his effort, but he has his limitations

Not sure what the score is with Vlasic, I've always thought he looks a good player.

5 of Bournemouth's players today would get into our team. The 2 strikers, the 2 fullbacks and Ake. They were 19th in the table. Rooney and Sigurdson are carrying us, so if they don't both have a worldy we're fucked.


Happy New Year
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: eugene on December 31, 2017, 12:29:56 AM
Depressing like isn't it, seeing that team before the game and knowing we're not gonna win. But then you see Rooney and Bolasie come on and look way off the pace. Niasse as well, who was involved in the goal yes, but we all know he's a poor player.

Whatever you think of the manager, it's the quality of the squad that is the the real reason we're this shit. We've had 3 managers this season and it's the least shit we've been.

Without a fit Rooney today, we needed Schneiderlin to be on his game and start moves off. He was dreadful.

5 of our outfield players are good enough for a top 7 side; 2 of them are massively underperforming (Keane & Schneiderlin), 1 is unfit (Rooney) and the other two are Sigurdson and Gueye.

It's utter negligence, from Walsh I presume, to be left with:

Kenny - too young
Martina - shit
Jags - too old
Williams - ok with a good manager, but not good enough
Baines - always injured and well past his best
Holgate - too young
Davies - will be very good but still too young
DCL - too young
Niasse - shit
McCarthy - shit and always injured
Besic - shit
Mirallas - shit
Lookman - raw
Sandro - has been shit every time I've watched him play
Klassen - not PL ready (although hasn't had much of a chance)
Lennon - can't knock his effort, but he has his limitations

Not sure what the score is with Vlasic, I've always thought he looks a good player.

5 of Bournemouth's players today would get into our team. The 2 strikers, the 2 fullbacks and Ake. They were 19th in the table. Rooney and Sigurdson are carrying us, so if they don't both have a worldy we're fucked.
Phew thank fuck for Pickford, had me a little concerned there
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Dr. Sponge on December 31, 2017, 12:46:35 AM
Phew thank fuck for Pickford, had me a little concerned there

Pickford was sent from God.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: blargins on December 31, 2017, 12:55:32 AM
Pickford was replacement for Lukaku. I bet he's already earned us more points this season than Rom did last.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: brap2 on December 31, 2017, 12:57:05 AM
All my life, up until very recently, I celebrated like a madman whenever we scored, I'd be fuming when we conceded and I'd be absolutely gutted if we lost a game. Probably the same with all of us.

But watching us approach games the way we are doing, against teams like West Brom and Bournemouth, it's sort of knocking the stuffing out of me. I'm not buzzing that much if we score, and I'm not all that gutted if we concede or lose, and I'm really not used to feeling like that. It's sucking the life out of watching Everton.

I know we've got limited players in some areas, and an unbalanced squad and all that but I really can't get too invested in watching us approach games like this. I'm trying to give Allardyce the benefit of the doubt but it's almost indefensible to go to 18th and 19th in the league, and set up the way we are.

I feel exactly the same way.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: eugene on December 31, 2017, 12:57:51 AM
Pickford was replacement for Lukaku. I bet he's already earned us more points this season than Rom did last.
Ffs imagine if the shite had him? Doesnít bare thinking about
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Confucius on December 31, 2017, 01:01:33 AM
Ffs imagine if the shite had him? Doesnít bare thinking about

I would sell him for 100M to them. they would pay it too.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: eugene on December 31, 2017, 01:06:09 AM
I would sell him for 100M to them. they would pay it too.
Come on now mate, chin up have a nice glass of port and a mince pie, Iím sure we will improve the next home game........fuck UTD
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Confucius on December 31, 2017, 01:24:20 AM
Come on now mate, chin up have a nice glass of port and a mince pie, Iím sure we will improve the next home game........fuck UTD

Will drink the bottle. Wake me up when the Big Fraud has been fired.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: everton1952 on December 31, 2017, 04:23:54 AM
The prince will arrive and wake you in 18 months time.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Gash on December 31, 2017, 04:29:19 AM
The prince will arrive and wake you in 18 months time.

18? I thought it was 12 but who am I to reason why?
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Escla on December 31, 2017, 05:03:28 AM
Will drink the bottle. Wake me up when the Big Fraud has been fired.
I suppose you are just disappointed we didnít sign 6 defeats in last 7 games miracle Man Silva.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: therealdunc on December 31, 2017, 06:26:58 AM
The feller hasnít even had a transfer window yet and heís getting blamed for not turning the utter crap of schniderlin, McCarthy, Niasse and Lennon into Fernandinho, de Brunne, aguero and sterling


The team is crap, unless 11 quality players become available in Jan, I donít hold out much hope for this season regardless of whom is in the dugout

Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Audrey Horne on December 31, 2017, 06:29:47 AM
The feller hasnít even had a transfer window yet and heís getting blamed for not turning the utter crap of schniderlin, McCarthy, Niasse and Lennon into Fernandinho, de Brunne, aguero and sterling


The team is crap, unless 11 quality players become available in Jan, I donít hold out much hope for this season regardless of whom is in the dugout



oh take a fucking break will ya
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Juanito on December 31, 2017, 06:33:34 AM
He infuriates me with his post match comments and this was his first defeat. He comes with bad character, he is used to playing with his back against the wall and doesnít seem to be able play anything other than the underdog.

The team that played in Limassol looked balanced but since then he has made mind boggling, uninspired decisions that smack of a plucky lower league team in the premiership for the first time. He should stop saying this team canít score goals when we have a 45 million pound playmaker, a £150,000 a week England record breaker, a £25 million Dutch International and an £11 million English young forward in the squad.  How he can play 3 defensive midfielders against any side, let alone a team so vulnerable  and not expect wave after wave of attack against us because we canít keep the ball is beyond me.

The minute I saw that line up, I knew I was not going to watch that game.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: therealdunc on December 31, 2017, 06:37:25 AM
Relax feller

1 defeat in 8 games
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Juanito on December 31, 2017, 06:38:05 AM
The feller hasnít even had a transfer window yet and heís getting blamed for not turning the utter crap of schniderlin, McCarthy, Niasse and Lennon into Fernandinho, de Brunne, aguero and sterling


The team is crap, unless 11 quality players become available in Jan, I donít hold out much hope for this season regardless of whom is in the dugout


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What idiot would consider throwing McCarthy in, furthermore, alongside Gana and Schneiderlin?  Itís not about making players better, itís about playing the right players to give us balance and a chance of having the odd shot or average possession above 40%


Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Audrey Horne on December 31, 2017, 06:39:16 AM
Relax feller

1 defeat in 8 games

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Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: therealdunc on December 31, 2017, 06:40:01 AM
Is that gif the dead guy from linkin Park?
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Audrey Horne on December 31, 2017, 06:41:22 AM
Is that gif the dead guy from linkin Park?


no you thick cunt
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: therealdunc on December 31, 2017, 06:43:15 AM

no you thick cunt

In the end it doesnít even matter  lolol
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Audrey Horne on December 31, 2017, 06:44:10 AM
In the end it doesnít even matter  lolol

Amazing!!
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 31, 2017, 06:47:20 AM
The feller hasn't even had a transfer window yet and he's getting blamed for not turning the utter crap of schniderlin, McCarthy, Niasse and Lennon into Fernandinho, de Brunne, aguero and sterling


The team is crap, unless 11 quality players become available in Jan, I don't hold out much hope for this season regardless of whom is in the dugout
Your chatting absolute wham
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Juanito on December 31, 2017, 06:47:52 AM
Relax feller

1 defeat in 8 games

He just infuriates me and Iím not looking
at 1 defeat in 8. Iím looking at a few telling signs to suggest the Big Sam
Effect will fizzle out. Prehistoric football, unable to maintain possession, worst shot on target stats in years, blaming attacking players for not being able to score goals, yet have ability in squad.

Man United at home had produced some great memorable results over the years, even when we had the likes of Parkinson or Pembridge in the squad.  Letís see how he sets the team up.  I wonder if we will muster a shot on goal.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on December 31, 2017, 06:51:17 AM
Some of these players have been poor for 3 managers now, thereís a theme emerging...theyíre not good enough.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Macca77 on December 31, 2017, 07:05:08 AM
Hes a one trick pony, always has been, negative defensive tactics with nothing going forward

The Allardyce effect
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: gizzblue on December 31, 2017, 07:10:59 AM
We do have attacking options but his shithouse tactics prefers seven at the back ,then has the brass bollocks to blame the forwards for not working miracles ....Ffs. ..why can't we get a manager who knows how to attack teams ....or even tries too .

I've never felt so fucking dismayed at our shit ...back to Koemans leaving tactics of defend only .
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: blueToffee on December 31, 2017, 07:22:18 AM
To a certain extent, I understand the pragmatism leading up to the window. We were (hopefully still are despite the last result) regaining confidence, but you can still see how fragile things are. I'm hoping he was rotating from Williams and Holgate to Jagielka and Keane to get a better understanding of these players coming into the window and moving forwards. There was really no other reason to move away from Holgate and Williams otherwise when they were performing pretty well.

I think it's there for all to see how limited we are with our available attacking options. We are set up tremendously negatively, but at the same time we're reliant on players who don't really seem of the calibre we need them to be if we genuine about being better than 7th. Can we really point to anyone at the moment up top and think they'd be getting into one of the top 6 sides? However, we haven't been playing top 6 sides recently, so those excuses only carry so much weight.

This all comes down to recruitment and really this is the window where Walsh needs to show that he has control of the reins and can bring in some good talent that can make a difference. He can't be hiding behind Koeman's choices anymore or even Allardyce's picks. He needs to show some leadership and direction for the recruitment strategy. He has a maximum of 2 windows left for me, and that's only if he brings in a striker and LB of the quality we need in this window.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: brap2 on December 31, 2017, 07:48:43 AM
He was always on to a loser imo, unless he had something up his sleeve that weíve not seen for ten years...

He was the medicine we needed definitely, but the fact is we are everton. I know that doesnít really mean a lot these days, but just one generation ago we were winning leagues. To sit back against shite teams and then tell us again and again and again itís the players fault for not conjuring something out of nothing...

The games moved on. Your average viewer has an idea of system over players, and this system is fucking garbage.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Rodenplav64 on December 31, 2017, 01:38:47 PM
Allardyce is what he has always been . His appointment was a panic measure from a clueless chairman who has more money than footballing sense . His tenure will be nothing but forgettable . 9th or 10th will be it .
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: therealdunc on December 31, 2017, 02:32:55 PM
1 loss in 8

Defence looks far better

Transfer Window soon to be open

Heavy Christmas schedule comes to an end on Friday

Get behind the club
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Rodenplav64 on December 31, 2017, 03:08:12 PM
1 loss in 8

Defence looks far better

Transfer Window soon to be open

Heavy Christmas schedule comes to an end on Friday

Get behind the club

I am behind the club and I am not calling him out but your misplaced optimism is laughable . There is absolutely nothing in Allardyces CV which leads anyone ( other than you ) to conclude he will take the club forward . Accepting that for a while is all there is to it . If he achieves anything it will be  a semi , which at his age is great I would assume .  lolol about time I gave myself one of them .

Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: blue1948 on December 31, 2017, 03:22:47 PM
1 loss in 8

Defence looks far better

Transfer Window soon to be open

Heavy Christmas schedule comes to an end on Friday

Get behind the club
Do you mean get behind the club or the manager ? Big difference .The club is the reason we are all in so bad frame of mind but it is the manager who is pissing us off .
I personally didn't want him and now his bubble could have burst and we are seeing the reason he gained his reputation it comes as no surprise why I felt that way .
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: therealdunc on December 31, 2017, 03:25:05 PM
1 defeat in 8

Itís so clear how so many of you have an appropriate lack of respect  

Horrible to read
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Rodenplav64 on December 31, 2017, 03:36:42 PM
1 defeat in 8

It’s so clear how so many of you have an appropriate lack of respect  

Horrible to read

I understand how you feel as I was firmly behind Roberto and was constantly challenged for it . Eventually I had to face up to the fact that we were going backwards fast ( blame the players for a big part of that ) and I never fancied Koeman given that he was Moshiris man to take us forward . At least Allardyce doesn't come with that brief . He came to keep us up ( when we weren't going down ) and he won't fail in that department . He got 18 months because our piss poor Chairmen couldn't get him to accept 6 months and Watford ( thankfully ) wouldn't let us get Silva . He attempted to hoodwink ( foolishly ) some fans ( the retards ) into thinking their was a chance in fucking hell of even getting Diego Simeone to stop laughing at an approach from us . Your safe mate unless you predict he will win something and then you will look a bit soft in the head .
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: blue1948 on December 31, 2017, 03:43:00 PM
1 defeat in 8

Itís so clear how so many of you have an appropriate lack of respect  

Horrible to read
Figures can be twisted any which way but the fact remains we are much worse to watch than any Evertonian in his/her/its right mind would want .
New Years eve and all that joy it brings and I am distraught watching the team since he came ,the fact we could have him for another 18 months
is beyond comprehension .I hope Walshy does the business or despite our league position we will be in true dire straights ,NSNO is our motto
not we have only lost one in eight .Sorry but that is bollocks if we don't play well .Championship football no but at least let's enjoy it first and foremost
The performances have been that bad I have refrained from commenting and the next day I cannot be bothered ,just want to forget it .
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: therealdunc on December 31, 2017, 03:43:58 PM
He will win us a trophy and have us challenging for top 4 next season.

Judge him in October after a transfer window and with a pre season.

If in October that isnít happening, I will be the first to complain
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Lxxx on December 31, 2017, 03:51:02 PM
All my life, up until very recently, I celebrated like a madman whenever we scored, I'd be fuming when we conceded and I'd be absolutely gutted if we lost a game. Probably the same with all of us.

But watching us approach games the way we are doing, against teams like West Brom and Bournemouth, it's sort of knocking the stuffing out of me. I'm not buzzing that much if we score, and I'm not all that gutted if we concede or lose, and I'm really not used to feeling like that. It's sucking the life out of watching Everton.

I know we've got limited players in some areas, and an unbalanced squad and all that but I really can't get too invested in watching us approach games like this. I'm trying to give Allardyce the benefit of the doubt but it's almost indefensible to go to 18th and 19th in the league, and set up the way we are.

Pretty much where Iím at.

Got asked if I fancied going a game in the new year and the thought of taking a day out and blowing over £100 on us with everything all in at the moment doesn't interest me in the slightest. Neither does turning on the laptop or the TV when wíre on.

I just thought it was age, family etc... which was causing me to feel this way, and it is to a certain extent, but previously I always found time for the blues. Now I canít be arsed.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: brap2 on December 31, 2017, 03:54:50 PM
He will win us a trophy and have us challenging for top 4 next season.

Judge him in October after a transfer window and with a pre season.

If in October that isnít happening, I will be the first to complain

Where are you getting this stuff from? Genuinely where do you get this optimism?

Sound like a Russian bot defending trump 99% of the time
Title: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Simon Paul on December 31, 2017, 04:01:36 PM
Just goes to show that shit football is tolerable to most when we're getting results but it's only a select few whoppers who enjoy it when we're losing too
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: bigl1cks on December 31, 2017, 05:09:44 PM
Most fans want allardyce to fail so they can have their Ďtold you soí moment.

How hard is it to realise that these players have been abysmal now for nearly 3 years, showing no ability to be able to play this fabled attacking football you all want? They are poor, relegation standard players from poor, relegation standard clubs rand that is the end of it. It can be no surprise when you buy your players from Swansea, Sunderland and Aston Villa that you get the results those teams had.

Sam has the job for 18 months and he should be judged when he has had a chance, not now with this collection of kids , has beens and never will beís.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: gizzblue on December 31, 2017, 05:10:31 PM
To win anything at all you have to play in the opposite half of the pitch ....a thing we are now seeing less and less of under Sam.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Rodenplav64 on December 31, 2017, 05:46:09 PM
Most fans want allardyce to fail so they can have their ‘told you so’ moment.

How hard is it to realise that these players have been abysmal now for nearly 3 years, showing no ability to be able to play this fabled attacking football you all want? They are poor, relegation standard players from poor, relegation standard clubs rand that is the end of it. It can be no surprise when you buy your players from Swansea, Sunderland and Aston Villa that you get the results those teams had.

Sam has the job for 18 months and he should be judged when he has had a chance, not now with this collection of kids , has beens and never will be’s.

I don't want him fail but what is considered failure for some is success for others . Like I said if his brief was to keep us 8th or 9th then he can't fail and everyone can delude themselves that he was our saviour when we were doomed to relegation . Don't get me wrong I love not getting beat by the teams we expect to beat us and the odd win over one of the top 6 causes euphoria I just don't enjoy turgid football whoever is playing it . I expect him to win enough games to induce a sort of accepted apathy around the club but that's about it . Can't really complain since we have built a reputation over the last 20 years or so for winning fuck all . Anyway I am off on the lash and I doubt I will be arsed watching the boring shitfest Mourinho and Sam will dish up . Happy New Year Blues .
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: blargins on December 31, 2017, 06:07:51 PM
1 defeat in 8

Itís so clear how so many of you have an appropriate lack of respect  

Horrible to read



Or zero wins in three, two of which were games against bottom clubs.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: hill135 on December 31, 2017, 06:36:18 PM
Some absolute hysteria in this thread and across the forum generally over the last few weeks.

It's all getting a bit unpleasant in a number of ways

 
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: blue1948 on December 31, 2017, 06:47:42 PM
A challenge for anyone out there still sober .
How is it if we have only lost once in 8 can we (almost) all be so down ? It has to be the way we are playing and who is that down to ? If we got rid of Martinez and Koeman then who is responsible for the style of play if it isn't yet Sam's fault ? Happy New Year to all including the ones who didn't want Chrimbo ( It is over now lads)
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Simon Paul on December 31, 2017, 06:52:55 PM
A challenge for anyone out there still sober .
How is it if we have only lost once in 8 can we (almost) all be so down ? It has to be the way we are playing and who is that down to ? If we got rid of Martinez and Koeman then who is responsible for the style of play if it isn't yet Sam's fault ? Happy New Year to all including the ones who didn't want Chrimbo ( It is over now lads)

Football isn't merely about not losing. Winning is also quite important. Something we have t done for a while and with united and le merde coming up, it's not likely we will this week

It's also about being entertained. If we can't be entertaining but can win - or avoid losing - then most people won't mind. If we can be entertaining but lose marginally at times, hen some people won't mind. If we are bored and losing then most people don't enjoy it.

That'a it really.

It doesn't really matter whose fault it is, those who have gone before have paid with their jobs. What matters is whose job it is to sort it out, and whether or not they can.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Normm on December 31, 2017, 07:31:56 PM
I remember Allardyce saying he doesn't like to see players constantly passing sideways and backwards. That was some weeks ago and I thought, "At last! A manager who talks sense." However, talking about it is one thing - on the pitch and in selections I don't see any attempt to change this sorry style of play.

The defensive lineup against Bournemouth left fans bewildered. You just know the ball is going to keep coming back to the Everton box like a yo-yo. Then, when we finally have players on the pitch to contribute to attacking football and looking like they will win, what does the manager do? He takes off Gana and puts Rooney to defend in his place. Bolasie, completely off the pace and out of form contributes little and the inevitable happens. We become unbalanced, lose team cohesion and lose the match. His managerial decisions over the last two games have been bizarre. His luck ran out.

Let's face it. Everton have been massively lucky in recent games. He continued with the players that beat West Ham 4-0 and made few changes in the first few matches. He has a lot still to prove and many are not impressed with what they see or with his comments concerning players such as Niasse.

He made massive mistakes in his management against Bournemouth, so he will need to do exceptionally well from here on to bring the fans back on side.

Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Lxxx on December 31, 2017, 08:08:06 PM
I don't actually think he'll consider he's done anything wrong at all though in the Bournemouth game. I kind of get the impression he thinks he knows more about football than everyone else put together and anyone who queries him must be stupid.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: gizzblue on December 31, 2017, 08:13:25 PM
I don't actually think he'll consider he's done anything wrong at all though in the Bournemouth game. I kind of get the impression he thinks he knows more about football than everyone else put together and anyone who queries him must be stupid.
Egotist attitude doesn't always work though ,and he never took what happened at WBA on board at all....just look at what RK's ego did to us .
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: cantoffee on December 31, 2017, 08:25:30 PM
I don't think it's the results that are causing the concern. I think it's that so far the results have be good given where we were but that what Sam has done is what we all knew he would be able to do. Make us tough to beat.

Now the concern is that he can't go beyond that. That was the biggest reservation for most people, he has a ceiling and we will remain tough to beat but unable to go beyond that. The way the last two games have played out is bringing out those fears.

He still needs time, a transfer window, and less fixture congestion to get his ideas across. It will be hard to keep fans onside with the footvall he is playing though and things could turn sour very quickly.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: sirblue57 on December 31, 2017, 08:31:27 PM
Sam was no one's first choice, but neither was Koeman. We have gone backwards since Martinez second season, only Lukaku hid the problem, our recruitment since moyes left apart from Lukaku, has not been brilliant, apart from Pickford and possibly Bolassie, none have looked worth the money.
We have to give Sam a chance in fairness, but if a quality manager , and imo, a quality DoF, we should move quickly. I have little faith in what we have.
But I have always said, our problems start at the top, we have a reputation as a "nice" club. That's ok, but I would prefer a reputation as a successful, ambitious  club more.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Shropshire Blue on December 31, 2017, 08:38:47 PM
Just about the whole forum agrees that Sam inherited a crock of shit. A strike force that can't score, a midfield that can't create, a defence with more holes than a colander and looking like we'd lose every game.
Pick any manager from Guardiola downwards and set out a realistic aim that they could achieve in 5 weeks.
I'm not defending Sam - he wouldn't have been my first choice - but like any other manager should be given time and judged on results.
What I am sticking up for is the need for objectivity.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: BlueBeagle on December 31, 2017, 08:39:33 PM
Sam was no one's first choice, but neither was Koeman.

What?

Koeman was plenty of peoples first choice, including our majority shareholder no less.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Shogun on December 31, 2017, 09:43:50 PM
Noticed in his interviews that he talks about the basics and cutting out mistakes defensively but then he says he doesn't do anything specific offensively in training.

If this is true then how can he continue to be baffled by how shit we are in possession?
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Confucius on December 31, 2017, 09:50:30 PM
My problem with Fraud is that he can take Barcelona with all their star players and they will finish 5th with the best defensive record in the league. That's the type of manager he is.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: everton1952 on December 31, 2017, 11:28:34 PM
My problem with Fraud is that he can take Barcelona with all their star players and they will finish 5th with the best defensive record in the league. That's the type of manager he is.
Your problem will come should he he succeed at Everton (which we all hope he does) and turns us into a top 6 challenging team. What will you say then? Nothing presumably.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: therealdunc on January 01, 2018, 12:06:12 AM
1 defeat in 8 games, away from home in a 5 week window

Some real nasty appropriate lack of respect s on display again today
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Shogun on January 01, 2018, 12:07:56 AM
Can't wait for Gash to call you a cunt later
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: TheRam on January 01, 2018, 12:12:39 AM
1 defeat in 8 games, away from home in a 5 week window

Some real nasty appropriate lack of respect s on display again today

Agreed mate. Some really horrible stuff on here lately.

Really upsets me to be perfectly honest.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Gash on January 01, 2018, 07:14:19 AM
1 defeat in 8 games, away from home in a 5 week window

Some real nasty appropriate lack of respect s on display again today

Oh shut up you absolute weapon.

You've a bigger appropriate lack of respect  than anyone else.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Confucius on January 01, 2018, 01:33:44 PM
Your problem will come should he he succeed at Everton (which we all hope he does) and turns us into a top 6 challenging team. What will you say then? Nothing presumably.

If he succeeds I will apologise and enjoy the success
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Rodenplav64 on January 01, 2018, 02:59:52 PM
Agreed mate. Some really horrible stuff on here lately.

Really upsets me to be perfectly honest.

Get a life FFS if reading someones views on a forum upsets you .
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Jamokachi on January 01, 2018, 03:07:49 PM
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Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Simon Paul on January 01, 2018, 04:22:57 PM
Get a life FFS if reading someones views on a forum upsets you .

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Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: sirblue57 on January 01, 2018, 04:41:47 PM
What?

Koeman was plenty of peoples first choice, including our majority shareholder no less.
I didn't know one supporter who thought he was the best option , I heard " Well Arsenal are interested so.." and other shit. But not one saying Vegas what we needed.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: BlueForYou on January 01, 2018, 04:51:15 PM
He was my second best option - after Bilic!
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: sirblue57 on January 01, 2018, 05:00:03 PM
Let's see what happens in the next month, it should give us an idea just what kind of manager he is.
Title: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Ramjam on January 01, 2018, 05:03:09 PM
Honeymoon over, time to earn your 6 mil and show some ideas moving forward especially at home and away to so called weaker opposition
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: BlueBeagle on January 01, 2018, 05:21:02 PM
I didn't know one supporter who thought he was the best option , I heard " Well Arsenal are interested so.." and other shit. But not one saying Vegas what we needed.

There was a poll done on here in which he came in the top 4 or 5
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: gizzblue on January 01, 2018, 05:21:28 PM
In all honesty I was warming to him up until the negative one side of the pitch ball (Don't want to call it football as they means attack and defend) kicked in and we're getting pantsed by wba in terms of shots possesion etc....and then the absolute negative team selections a la Koeman kicked in blaming players is a cunts trick .
Hope now he's nothing more than a fucking stop gap really .
But let's see what he does once we get a striker in ,if it continues to be negative shite we will be looking for manager no 3 before the season is out .
And more and more will turn on his tactics just like in his former jobs .

Really hope im wrong but history as we know is rinse and repeat .
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Juanito on January 01, 2018, 06:03:04 PM
In all honesty I was warming to him up until the negative one side of the pitch ball (Don't want to call it football as they means attack and defend) kicked in and we're getting pantsed by wba in terms of shots possesion etc....and then the absolute negative team selections a la Koeman kicked in blaming players is a cunts trick .
Hope now he's nothing more than a fucking stop gap really .
But let's see what he does once we get a striker in ,if it continues to be negative shite we will be looking for manager no 3 before the season is out .
And more and more will turn on his tactics just like in his former jobs .

Really hope im wrong but history as we know is rinse and repeat .


I felt the same. How he can actually have the audacity to blame the players considering he puts 3 defensive midfielders in. It smacks of a lack of self awareness, as he needs to be motivating them, not blaming them, when itís down to his shit selections, lacking any sort of ambiton.

We were lucky against Newcastle, Liverpool, Chelsea and West Brom. Man United are here for the taking today, so he needs to make ammends and at least register a shot on target and above 30% possession.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: everton1952 on January 01, 2018, 06:55:11 PM
I felt the same. How he can actually have the audacity to blame the players considering he puts 3 defensive midfielders in. It smacks of a lack of self awareness, as he needs to be motivating them, not blaming them, when itís down to his shit selections, lacking any sort of ambiton.

We were lucky against Newcastle, Liverpool, Chelsea and West Brom. Man United are here for the taking today, so he needs to make ammends and at least register a shot on target and above 30% possession.
Man United are here for the taking today,!!!  Did you write this when still pissed last night?
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: TheRam on January 01, 2018, 06:56:49 PM
Get a life FFS if reading someones views on a forum upsets you .

Fucking dope
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on January 01, 2018, 07:20:59 PM
My problem with Fraud is that he can take Barcelona with all their star players and they will finish 5th with the best defensive record in the league. That's the type of manager he is.
Wow, thatís scientific. You donít like Sam, we get it.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: therealdunc on January 01, 2018, 07:21:38 PM
Man United are here for the taking today,!!!  Did you write this when still pissed last night?

 lolol this is it.
Anything less than a 5-0 home win and itís Allardyce out.

Some horrible appropriate lack of respect s on here and some people who refuse to accept the reality of Evertonís squad ability
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on January 01, 2018, 07:22:00 PM
Fucking dope
In American that means Ďgoodí. Apparently. According to the kids, like.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: everton1952 on January 01, 2018, 07:30:25 PM
In American that means Ďgoodí. Apparently. According to the kids, like.
In English, it is a friendly way of saying you are daft and deserve some pity.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Rodenplav64 on January 01, 2018, 07:39:20 PM
Fucking dope

Firstly suck my stump . Secondly on having given it a second read I may have erred .
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Juanito on January 01, 2018, 07:50:57 PM
lolol this is it.
Anything less than a 5-0 home win and itís Allardyce out.

Some horrible appropriate lack of respect s on here and some people who refuse to accept the reality of Evertonís squad ability



I said more than one shot on target and more than 30% possession.Thats slightly different than demanding a 5-0 win.  Wow, you really do exaggerate things donít you, Donald?
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 01, 2018, 07:54:43 PM
lolol this is it.
Anything less than a 5-0 home win and it's Allardyce out.

Some horrible appropriate lack of respect s on here and some people who refuse to accept the reality of Everton's squad ability
Your appropriate lack of respect  is the worst
Wind it fucking in
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Macca77 on January 01, 2018, 08:38:40 PM
He will set up not to concede as per, negative
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: gizzblue on January 01, 2018, 09:26:27 PM
Those waiting for a bus will find two parked at our game today .
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: sam of the south on January 01, 2018, 09:45:21 PM
Fucking dope

*counts down the minutes before the next nsno snowflake jibe*
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Hannibal Lecter on January 01, 2018, 10:00:32 PM
Those waiting for a bus will find two parked at our game today .
Should hand out some fines if its on the pitch.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Audrey Horne on January 02, 2018, 01:51:39 AM
Fucking hate the chewing gum cunt.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Shogun on January 02, 2018, 01:56:53 AM
I tried to give him a chance before losing the plot, I tried to at least wait until we signed someone, honestly I did.

Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: BlueNoseMike on January 02, 2018, 02:10:07 AM
So who we getting in summer because there is no chance Sam is staying beyond that.*

Literally no clue who we should go for the


* cup win would keep him here but we ain't doing that.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Macca77 on January 02, 2018, 02:10:56 AM
You lot and your appropriate lack of respect 's

Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: brap2 on January 02, 2018, 02:47:52 AM
Let's see what happens in the next month, it should give us an idea just what kind of manager he is.

Think the last 30 years of unwavering meat and potato shite have told us enough.

He believes strongly in good defensive coaching and hoping inidivudual attackers can pull something out of their arses to win you and draw you, the games you need to stay up in this league.

The idea he can or will do anything, particularly with this side, is total total dreamland.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: charlatan on January 02, 2018, 03:39:09 AM
I never wanted Allardyce, but he was definitely who we needed at the time.  The point being tho, we could have Pep as manager, wouldn't make a blind bit of difference, the attacking players we have are atrocious.  We've only had 12 months to replace lukaku now, and we have a 21yo kid who is miles from being ready, and a guy from the Russian League who looks like he won a competition on a cornflake box for a game.

We bought 3 number 10's, one who's legs went 2 years ago, one who's only role in life is to take set pieces, and one who is MIA since joining from Ajax.  Then there's Sandro, who looks like he's never played football in his life.

We then have 3 wingers, one been out for a year with an ACL, one who's done amazing to come back from a complete breakdown who always puts a shift in, but whose final product is dreadful, and a kid from Eastern Europe.

We are a fucking shambles from top to bottom.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: charlatan on January 02, 2018, 03:41:31 AM
Oh, and a boyhood Evertonian supposed to be one of the brightest stars of his generation, thats run his contract down to fuck us off for peanuts, despite being offered over £6m a year to sign a contract
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: ally2 on January 02, 2018, 03:56:01 AM
Oh, and a boyhood Evertonian supposed to be one of the brightest stars of his generation, thats run his contract down to fuck us off for peanuts, despite being offered over £6m a year to sign a contract

#Evertonlegend
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Ross on January 02, 2018, 05:14:45 AM
https://twitter.com/RorySmith/status/947923733037113344?s=17

£6m a year of football intellect there in.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Confucius on January 02, 2018, 09:28:00 AM
I tried to give him a chance before losing the plot, I tried to at least wait until we signed someone, honestly I did.

Yeah me too
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Thomas on January 02, 2018, 12:19:33 PM
I wish he had Lee Bullen's passion for his own football club

Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Bluedylan on January 02, 2018, 01:33:07 PM
I wish he had Lee Bullen's passion for his own football club



Wednesday are in freefall, so that passion really isn't translating into results or performances. Not sure why you've posted this. Passion doesn't win you points.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Rodenplav64 on January 02, 2018, 02:32:16 PM
Big Sam and a new stadium in in industrial fucking wasteland . Moshiri take a bow son .
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: penguinofdoom1878 on January 02, 2018, 03:17:13 PM
maybe im dull, but im sure making so many changes every game doesnt help, put a side together which is attacking and not containing 7 defenders then give them a run of games to get used to each others movements.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Gary1878 on January 02, 2018, 03:29:49 PM
I think first things first, this season is a write off. We will get the points we need to stay up, and probably finish between 8th and 10th.

We will also play mind-numbingly boring football for the next 16 games.

Big Sam is here to keep us up. No more, no less. I honestly cannot see how he can stay beyond the summer. He signed a 18 month deal because he will get a nice little payoff out of it after only 6 months work.

The first half against United was promising. I thought we had decent intent, whilst easily keeping them at bay. I don't know what was said at halftime, but everything went to shit. It was a different team that turned out, and we went into this ridiculously defensive shape, with no out ball rather than aggressively pressing the ball like we were in the first half.

Niasse was having a very poor game to say the least, so why he wasn't withdrawn within 5 minutes of the second half was beyond me. It was like he had sprayed his boots with WD40 rather than polished them with Dubbin. The desperation for a striker is there, but he needed to be replaced pronto, as there was no outball, and the pressure kept building until they scored.

All in all, this is what I expected when I heard that he had signed to be manager of our club. He will keep us up, but that is about it.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: GLewis on January 02, 2018, 03:36:42 PM
maybe im dull, but im sure making so many changes every game doesnt help, put a side together which is attacking and not containing 7 defenders then give them a run of games to get used to each others movements.

Every side makes changes at this time of year due to the proximity of the games.

He didnít change much in the earlier games.

We played more attacking players yesterday than vs Bournemouth too.

Thats where a debate could be had in that it seemed a bit illogical.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Sir Stealth on January 02, 2018, 03:37:18 PM
I really donít think he will stay beyond the summer. Itís a short term appointment that the board thought they had to make to ensure our survival.

Sam comes in to save teams from relegation. He doesnít tend to turn teams into ones that play good football. Itís not gonna be pretty to watch for the rest of the season, so no doubt it will be a barrel of laughs on the forum!

Not justifying the appointment by the way, itís just the way things are. We should still finish top half comfortably but itís such a shame after the pre season optimism that we are settling for a mediocre season again
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on January 02, 2018, 03:46:37 PM
If we have 1 more home game without a shot on target this season, then we really should just fuck him off after that game.

I would prefer to have lost 0-4 yesterday and at least had a go. The football we're playing is soul destroying.

The only glimmer of hope is that we might put more emphasis on a cup run, shitty, defensive, fuckin wank football might lends itself well to FA Cup runs.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Bob Sacamano on January 02, 2018, 03:56:59 PM
Iíd love to see a shot on target soon.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Waltzer on January 02, 2018, 04:03:41 PM
If we have 1 more home game without a shot on target this season, then we really should just fuck him off after that game.

I would prefer to have lost 0-4 yesterday and at least had a go. The football we're playing is soul destroying.

The only glimmer of hope is that we might put more emphasis on a cup run, shitty, defensive, fuckin wank football might lends itself well to FA Cup runs.

I agree, his approach so far is just about palatable if you get a result, like we did against Liverpool, its when you lose that you dont have a leg to stand on. I said it all along, even when Koeman was in charge, and our attacking resources are so limited its a disgrace so I find it hard to be too critical of Sam at this point as he he dealing the hand dealt, he is correct too when summarising yesterday that we have to keep it tight as we wont score more than 1 goal. Its a result based business and his objective was merely to keep us up, which he will do.
The main reason for our current predicament is confounded as the people that are culpable are still at the club and we wont progress until they're gone
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on January 02, 2018, 04:12:54 PM
I agree, his approach so far is just about palatable if you get a result, like we did against Liverpool, its when you lose that you dont have a leg to stand on. I said it all along, even when Koeman was in charge, and our attacking resources are so limited its a disgrace so I find it hard to be too critical of Sam at this point as he he dealing the hand dealt, he is correct too when summarising yesterday that we have to keep it tight as we wont score more than 1 goal. Its a result based business and his objective was merely to keep us up, which he will do.
The main reason for our current predicament is confounded as the people that are culpable are still at the club and we wont progress until they're gone

Ye I tend to agree that most of the shit we're in has come from behind the scenes. The next 6 months (and next transfer window) should really test Moshiris mettle, because so far Walsh and his staff have been a resounding failure.

I just hope there is no excuses at the end of the season.

It says something when our best football in the past few years was when Martinez was at his worst.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: brap2 on January 02, 2018, 04:14:44 PM
Wednesday are in freefall, so that passion really isn't translating into results or performances. Not sure why you've posted this. Passion doesn't win you points.

Mad that Thomas, usually of the ďEverton fans are uncultured and just want shite players who show pashunĒ would post something like that. Of all the things you wish of Big Sam you wish he had more passion. May as well wish he had bigger feet or a bowler hat, absolutely nothing to do with our current issues.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Bluedylan on January 02, 2018, 04:53:47 PM
Iíd love to see a shot on target soon.

The appropriate lack of respect  bizzies won't allow us to criticise him against Utd, the shite and Spurs so park any expectations you might have for a while.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Macca77 on January 02, 2018, 04:58:12 PM
Friday should be hilarious
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Bob Sacamano on January 02, 2018, 05:32:32 PM
The appropriate lack of respect  bizzies won't allow us to criticise him against Utd, the shite and Spurs so park any expectations you might have for a while.

Pretty sure the latest Seasme Street episode was brought to us by the letter A. So with any luck we will have moved on from reading the word appropriate lack of respect  every other post.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: everton1952 on January 02, 2018, 06:56:10 PM
Friday should be hilarious
I am sure you could have found another word to use, such as maybe dreadful?  I doubt the sanity of anyone who relishes a potential massacre as hilarious.  No one will be laughing except the Shite fans if they murder us. Maybe there will be some on here dying to gloat over another Allardyce defeat. I certainly will not watch it. (the recording will be set in case of a miracle).
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Macca77 on January 02, 2018, 06:57:59 PM
I am sure you could have found another word to use, such as maybe dreadful?  I doubt the sanity of anyone who relishes a potential massacre as hilarious.  No one will be laughing except the Shite fans if they murder us. Maybe there will be some on here dying to gloat over another Allardyce defeat. I certainly will not watch it. (the recording will be set in case of a miracle).

Hilarious was the correct word to use.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Hawkandro on January 02, 2018, 07:35:40 PM
Didn't think we were bad in the first half; pretty direct, but it was working. If we had more (any) quality upfront, then we may have gone in at half-time leading.

As it was, we fell asleep and the first 20 minutes of the 2nd half were abysmal, but again, a decent outlet up top would have possibly alleviated some of that constant pressure. McCarthy coming on was a bit of a turning point, but if only we had better players than Lennon and DCL to come on alongside him.

You know it, I know it, the club know it; we are not just playing with one hand tied behind our back, we, in essence, have both hands behind our back, we are blindfolded and someone has just put some noise cancelling headphones on us too. We need new attacking options. Now.

The fact we are only linked with 1 (Tosun) is bad enough; we need at least 2 strikers and 2 or 3 attacking midfielders (wide men, that aren't fucking No.10's).
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Dr. Sponge on January 02, 2018, 10:17:43 PM
Well this is a sorry state of affairs. I'd rather try Rooney upfront again than watch another game of Niasse wasting possession every time he gets passed to.

Pickford
Kenny Holgate Williams Martina
Davies Schneiderlin Gueye
Bolasie Rooney Sigurdson

Still polishing a turd of course, as we a big fat juicy striker and a left back.

Schneiderlin was a big disappointment again yesterday, he should be controlling games in possession like Rooney tries to, otherwise he is bringing fuck all to the team.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Hawkandro on January 03, 2018, 02:55:19 PM
Well this is a sorry state of affairs. I'd rather try Rooney upfront again than watch another game of Niasse wasting possession every time he gets passed to.

Pickford
Kenny Holgate Williams Martina
Davies Schneiderlin Gueye
Bolasie Rooney Sigurdson

Still polishing a turd of course, as we a big fat juicy striker and a left back.

Schneiderlin was a big disappointment again yesterday, he should be controlling games in possession like Rooney tries to, otherwise he is bringing fuck all to the team.

McCarthy offered more in 10 minutes than Schneiderlin has in 10 games. I would be looking to get rid of him ASAP. Such a massive let down all in all.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: everton1952 on January 03, 2018, 05:15:58 PM
Is Schneiderlin as bad as some make out, or is he the latest whipping boy some people need to have?  I don't know.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Lxxx on January 03, 2018, 05:17:52 PM
Is Schneiderlin as bad as some make out, or is he the latest whipping boy some people need to have?  I don't know.

Surely you have an opinion.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: everton1952 on January 03, 2018, 05:58:10 PM
I would not describe him as an outstandingly good buy, but not so bad that he should be got rid of.  If we had to bin 5 players he would not be one of them.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Thornton_19 on January 03, 2018, 05:59:50 PM
Our problem is we need a midfielder who does what both Gueye and Schneiderlin do.

Until we have that we will not move forward as a club.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: JordanianEmbassy on January 03, 2018, 07:06:16 PM
Our problem is we need a midfielder who does what both Gueye and Schneiderlin do.

Until we have that we will not move forward as a club.

If we send them out on the pitch with Schneiderlin's left leg strapped to Gueye's right leg does that count as one player?
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: everton1952 on January 03, 2018, 08:01:50 PM
If we send them out on the pitch with Schneiderlin's left leg strapped to Gueye's right leg does that count as one player?
Yes but they might run and pass backwards twice as fast.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Ravardo on January 03, 2018, 08:16:27 PM
Is Schneiderlin as bad as some make out, or is he the latest whipping boy some people need to have?  I don't know.

Ive been watching this prick every game and 8 outta 10 goals against us he is in close proximity,,,that close he's been able to do SOMETHING but does absolutely nothing...the game the otherday one of their players has shot from outside the area and he turned his back so it didnt hit him except the ball was atleast 6ft to his side nowhere near him,,,proper wage thief fuckin melt
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Lxxx on January 03, 2018, 08:37:30 PM
He is that bad. The Bournemouth first goal he turns and jogs half-heartedly back, not once glancing over his shoulder to see if the centre of the pitch is open should the ball be pulled back across. In the end he neither covers the centre or affects the play, just does his usual version of nothing.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: everton1952 on January 03, 2018, 09:14:01 PM
Hmm, so no hope there then.  It might take more than two years to empty out maybe 9 players who for different reasons will not be suitable for a club aiming for the top 6. That number includes Mirallas and Barkley who are good enough but do not want to play for us and the retirement of Rooney, Baines and Jags probably next season if not the one after. There is no quick fix and I think it is certainly too much for a manager on an 18 month contract. I predict 2 more seasons to get back to where we where, challenging for the top 6.  Solid mid table under Sam, and then we will be juggling foreign managers' names again when he goes. Might be a problem for some if the handsome fella gets Watford relegated.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Hawkandro on January 03, 2018, 09:53:39 PM
He is that bad. The Bournemouth first goal he turns and jogs half-heartedly back, not once glancing over his shoulder to see if the centre of the pitch is open should the ball be pulled back across. In the end he neither covers the centre or affects the play, just does his usual version of nothing.

£120,000pw apparently too. Must be spending nearly £350,000pw on Klaassen, Sandro and Schneiderlin...
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: sam of the south on January 03, 2018, 09:55:34 PM
£120,000pw apparently too. Must be spending nearly £350,000pw on Klaassen, Sandro and Schneiderlin...

That is terrifying, isn't it
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: everton1952 on January 03, 2018, 09:57:32 PM
Cannot understand how we come to pay far more wages than successful sides like Spurs and Arsenal. It justifies an investigation behind the scenes.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Lxxx on January 03, 2018, 10:02:35 PM
Cannot understand how we come to pay far more wages than successful sides like Spurs and Arsenal. It justifies an investigation behind the scenes.

Arsenal's wage bill would far outstrip ours I imagine, Spurs I always assumed would be more but now I'm not so sure. Either way the desperation to bridge the gap is the reason for the outlay, the issue is what we have spent it on.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: gizzblue on January 03, 2018, 10:03:38 PM
Cannot understand how we come to pay far more wages than successful sides like Spurs and Arsenal. It justifies an investigation behind the scenes.
Simple Levy is tight fisted ...insert your own........... .  jokes .
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on January 04, 2018, 02:53:28 AM
Ive been watching this prick every game and 8 outta 10 goals against us he is in close proximity,,,that close he's been able to do SOMETHING but does absolutely nothing...the game the otherday one of their players has shot from outside the area and he turned his back so it didnt hit him except the ball was atleast 6ft to his side nowhere near him,,,proper wage thief fuckin melt
Don't like picking on individuals normally but in this case..he is a fucking surrender monkey...cunt
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: eugene on January 04, 2018, 03:03:30 AM
Cannot understand how we come to pay far more wages than successful sides like Spurs and Arsenal. It justifies an investigation behind the scenes.
For Gods sake be quiet man we will have panorama banging  on our door again ffs
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Heisenberg on January 04, 2018, 03:04:17 AM
To put it simply. For sought after players there is literally no reason other than money they'd come to happy to exist 1 cup in 30 years FC
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Goaljira on January 04, 2018, 03:16:18 AM
All my life, up until very recently, I celebrated like a madman whenever we scored, I'd be fuming when we conceded and I'd be absolutely gutted if we lost a game. Probably the same with all of us.

But watching us approach games the way we are doing, against teams like West Brom and Bournemouth, it's sort of knocking the stuffing out of me. I'm not buzzing that much if we score, and I'm not all that gutted if we concede or lose, and I'm really not used to feeling like that. It's sucking the life out of watching Everton.

I know we've got limited players in some areas, and an unbalanced squad and all that but I really can't get too invested in watching us approach games like this. I'm trying to give Allardyce the benefit of the doubt but it's almost indefensible to go to 18th and 19th in the league, and set up the way we are.

The Man City game feels like a lifetime ago.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Heisenberg on January 04, 2018, 04:40:24 AM
My disinterest started with the martinez era? Remember Kenwright "what a manager" interview as we sat about 14th in the league. Its been shit since moyes left.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: everton1952 on January 04, 2018, 05:07:32 AM
If you are disinterested, why are you banging on here with the rest of us (interested) nutters?
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Lxxx on January 04, 2018, 05:08:31 PM
My disinterest started with the martinez era? Remember Kenwright "what a manager" interview as we sat about 14th in the league. Its been shit since moyes left.

Nah, we had one of the best seasons in recent decades in Martinez's first year. I wasn't one of his fans at all and I'm about as disinterested as you at the minute but let's not attempt to re-write history. 
Title: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: ally2 on January 04, 2018, 05:22:32 PM
Yeah that first season under Martinez was something else. I remember sitting there thinking this was just like watching Brazil. Oh little did we know the wheels were falling off
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: TheRam on January 04, 2018, 05:25:49 PM
I look back on the Martinez reign with mainly fondness tbh.

Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: GLewis on January 04, 2018, 05:27:07 PM
I look back on the Martinez reign with mainly fondness tbh.



It was good until Wolfsburg away.

Was pretty awful bar the odd spark after that for me.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Lxxx on January 04, 2018, 05:27:14 PM
Yeah that first season under Martinez was something else. I remember say there thinking this was just like watching Brazil. Oh little did we know the wheels were falling off

So frustrating. Watching Barkley and Lukaku blossom, fleeting bits of skill from Geri, seeing Stones coming through, watching McCarthy play like we've never seen again... The future looked rosy.  Now three have gone, one has a foot out the door and the other is a waste of space. We've also recouped £150m but haven't replaced them either.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Bob Sacamano on January 04, 2018, 05:51:23 PM
I look back on the Martinez reign with mainly fondness tbh.



It was fun at times. Iíd probably have fonder memories if I hadnít have bought into him so heavily.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: ally2 on January 04, 2018, 06:03:45 PM
He let us dream. However he was a shyster.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Bluenose 91 on January 04, 2018, 06:24:10 PM
I fucking hate him to be honest.

Literally couldn't even be arsed to get his players fit the baldy twat.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: themilkycoffees on January 04, 2018, 06:29:58 PM
I guess Guardiola can't be arsed getting his players fit either. It's worked out pretty well for him.

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/15126/10505903/the-top-five-innovations-of-pep-guardiolas-coaching-career

Martinez was stubborn, but a lot of top managers are. Badly let down by the players, when we were on the brink of something special IMO. They literally gave up in his last season, which meant his sacking was inevitable.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Bluenose 91 on January 04, 2018, 06:38:48 PM
He's a dreadful and completely unprofessional manager with a pie in the sky philosophy that will never have any success anywhere.

Any issues that come about with the players were down to his shite management.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Lxxx on January 04, 2018, 06:46:38 PM
He was a complete fraud though. The stars aligned on every possible level for him for one season only and it looked magical.

I'd take another one of those seasons next season. Not going to happen under Allardyce though.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: piggypop on January 04, 2018, 06:54:49 PM
He was a complete fraud though. The stars aligned on every possible level for him for one season only and it looked magical.

I'd take another one of those seasons next season. Not going to happen under Allardyce though.
As Martinez benefitted from Moyes' defensive organisation, maybe Silva (or someone) can benefit from Allardyce's.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: GLewis on January 04, 2018, 06:57:44 PM
I guess Guardiola can't be arsed getting his players fit either. It's worked out pretty well for him.

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/15126/10505903/the-top-five-innovations-of-pep-guardiolas-coaching-career

Martinez was stubborn, but a lot of top managers are. Badly let down by the players, when we were on the brink of something special IMO. They literally gave up in his last season, which meant his sacking was inevitable.

Guardiolaís teams are light years ahead of what we were in terms of fitness.

Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: themilkycoffees on January 04, 2018, 07:08:43 PM
No success anywhere, but was a massive factor in enabling Swansea to climb the FL to the Prem. Won the FA Cup with a distinctly average Wigan team.

The football under Martinez was some of the best i've ever watched as a blue. Even in his last season with us, we were in the two domestic cup semi-finals and could have conceivably won both (especially v United).

Obviously he was far from the finished article as a young manager, but we had a clear style of play and looked like we could actually win a trophy, despite our league form suffering as we finished mid-table twice. It looked like there was a plan in place for the future. Brought Stones and Barkley in to the first team, attracted Lukaku, Deulofeu. We'll never know now.

Belgium also appointed him to work with their 'golden generation' of players for the World Cup. 100% fraud though.




Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: themilkycoffees on January 04, 2018, 07:12:24 PM
Guardiolaís teams are light years ahead of what we were in terms of fitness.

True. Just saying, that was clearly the idea. There is a huge degree of trust there as players are required to work hard independently and clearly standards slipped, especially in his final year.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: plumber on January 04, 2018, 07:19:12 PM
Obviously he was far from the finished article as a young manager, but we had a clear style of play

Yeah, don't move, pass sideways and don't defend.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: gizzblue on January 04, 2018, 07:21:50 PM
No success anywhere, but was a massive factor in enabling Swansea to climb the FL to the Prem. Won the FA Cup with a distinctly average Wigan team.

The football under Martinez was some of the best i've ever watched as a blue. Even in his last season with us, we were in the two domestic cup semi-finals and could have conceivably won both (especially v United).

Obviously he was far from the finished article as a young manager, but we had a clear style of play and looked like we could actually win a trophy, despite our league form suffering as we finished mid-table twice. It looked like there was a plan in place for the future. Brought Stones and Barkley in to the first team, attracted Lukaku, Deulofeu. We'll never know now.

Belgium also appointed him to work with their 'golden generation' of players for the World Cup. 100% fraud though.
Yeah even when we got twatted countless times we were phenomenal allegedly .

He was awful and as has already been said touched lucky first season ...moyes defence and some attack ....but most of his play was sideways or backwards .imho....awful.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: GLewis on January 04, 2018, 07:23:32 PM
No success anywhere, but was a massive factor in enabling Swansea to climb the FL to the Prem. Won the FA Cup with a distinctly average Wigan team.

The football under Martinez was some of the best i've ever watched as a blue. Even in his last season with us, we were in the two domestic cup semi-finals and could have conceivably won both (especially v United).

Obviously he was far from the finished article as a young manager, but we had a clear style of play and looked like we could actually win a trophy, despite our league form suffering as we finished mid-table twice. It looked like there was a plan in place for the future. Brought Stones and Barkley in to the first team, attracted Lukaku, Deulofeu. We'll never know now.

Belgium also appointed him to work with their 'golden generation' of players for the World Cup. 100% fraud though.






We didnít look like winning a trophy as we lost vs only top sides we faced in either run (Chelsea finished one place above us that year).

Think 2 seasons of finishing 11th, with many of the same errors, was enough of a sample to see things werenít getting better.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Bluenose 91 on January 04, 2018, 07:24:29 PM
No success anywhere, but was a massive factor in enabling Swansea to climb the FL to the Prem. Won the FA Cup with a distinctly average Wigan team.

The football under Martinez was some of the best i've ever watched as a blue. Even in his last season with us, we were in the two domestic cup semi-finals and could have conceivably won both (especially v United).

Obviously he was far from the finished article as a young manager, but we had a clear style of play and looked like we could actually win a trophy, despite our league form suffering as we finished mid-table twice. It looked like there was a plan in place for the future. Brought Stones and Barkley in to the first team, attracted Lukaku, Deulofeu. We'll never know now.

Belgium also appointed him to work with their 'golden generation' of players for the World Cup. 100% fraud though.






Getting relegated and conceding about a million goals in the process sort of negates a flukey cup win.

First season was great yeah but as the two that followed proved it was a complete anomaly with the football and results getting progressively worse.

It baffles me that anyone can still defend his time here to be honest.  He was absolutely shocking.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: themilkycoffees on January 04, 2018, 07:32:43 PM
Personally don't think you can fluke whole seasons and anyone who says he 'benefited from Moyes defence' hasn't got a clue about football. Second season, we suffered in the league because we went for the Europa League IMO. Third season was admittedly not good enough, apart from two good cup runs. We drew a lot of games and lost leads often late in games. We lost to the better team in City, but should comfortably have beaten United if Lukaku had scored the pen and finished any of the other good chances he had that day.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on January 04, 2018, 07:35:11 PM
Think it was after the Wolfsburg away we played Spurs Lukaku put us 1 up with a belter, it was when i remember a marked change in how we played and it was all down hill from there we lost 2-1 but he denied playing any differently than before, stubborn get.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: gizzblue on January 04, 2018, 07:35:17 PM
Personally don't think you can fluke whole seasons and anyone who says he 'benefited from Moyes defence' hasn't got a clue about football. Second season, we suffered in the league because we went for the Europa League IMO. Third season was admittedly not good enough, apart from two good cup runs. We drew a lot of games and lost leads often late in games. We lost to the better team in City, but should comfortably have beaten United if Lukaku had scored the pen and finished any of the other good chances he had that day.
Ooh hahaha  throwing the "don't know anything about football" line about while bigging up Martinez is a bit fucking rich 😅😅.

Everyone knew he never bothered with defence ...Jags did two pressers where he mentioned it .👍
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: themilkycoffees on January 04, 2018, 07:44:13 PM
Not bigging anyone up. I forgot you can't have an alternative opinion to the majority on this forum. My mistake.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on January 04, 2018, 07:45:46 PM
Ooh hahaha  throwing the "don't know anything about football" line about while bigging up Martinez is a bit fucking rich 😅😅.

Everyone knew he never bothered with defence ...Jags did two pressers where he mentioned it .👍

Was reported Distin had a big barney with him at the time..
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Bluenose 91 on January 04, 2018, 07:48:59 PM
Not bigging anyone up. I forgot you can't have an alternative opinion to the majority on this forum. My mistake.


Who has said this?

You're putting your point forward and so are others.  Nothing more.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: ally2 on January 04, 2018, 07:53:30 PM
Join us Ross
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: themilkycoffees on January 04, 2018, 08:04:11 PM
You're right - my opinion is just an unpopular one. I don't think our defensive players at the time were good enough to take us to the next level and some of them are still here.

You won't see Guardiola or Klopp focus on defence too much either but they'll still win a lot of games, and in City's case trophies too. At the time, I felt our attacking players were being let down by our defensive players - a bit like the shite this season. 
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Lincs Toffee on January 04, 2018, 08:52:36 PM
You're right - my opinion is just an unpopular one. I don't think our defensive players at the time were good enough to take us to the next level and some of them are still here.

You won't see Guardiola or Klopp focus on defence too much either but they'll still win a lot of games, and in City's case trophies too. At the time, I felt our attacking players were being let down by our defensive players - a bit like the shite this season. 

And there lies the problem/difference, we set up now to not concede and hope to nick a goal, whereas they set up to score and hope not to concede
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: GLewis on January 04, 2018, 09:05:23 PM
You're right - my opinion is just an unpopular one. I don't think our defensive players at the time were good enough to take us to the next level and some of them are still here.

You won't see Guardiola or Klopp focus on defence too much either but they'll still win a lot of games, and in City's case trophies too. At the time, I felt our attacking players were being let down by our defensive players - a bit like the shite this season. 


Look at Cityís goals conceded.

Itís very low.

Liverpoolís isnít great and thatís what holds them back.

You do need to bother about defending.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: themilkycoffees on January 04, 2018, 09:08:13 PM
I agree- you do need to bother about defending. As I said, it has and is holding Liverpool back. City don't though, because they are so good going forward and they dominate possession pretty much every game.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: GLewis on January 04, 2018, 09:14:31 PM
I agree- you do need to bother about defending. As I said, it has and is holding Liverpool back. City don't though, because they are so good going forward and they dominate possession pretty much every game.

Look at what they do without the ball.

They go after the ball (which is easier as theyíre often close to it anyway) with ridiculous intensity.

Just because theyíre not deep doesnít mean he doesnít want to stop the other team defending.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: themilkycoffees on January 04, 2018, 09:17:30 PM
6 second rule - get the ball back within 6 seconds. Guardiola genius.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Confucius on January 04, 2018, 09:56:33 PM
You're right - my opinion is just an unpopular one. I don't think our defensive players at the time were good enough to take us to the next level and some of them are still here.

You won't see Guardiola or Klopp focus on defence too much either but they'll still win a lot of games, and in City's case trophies too. At the time, I felt our attacking players were being let down by our defensive players - a bit like the shite this season.

I like this guy. You spot on mate. I feel exactly the same. We should of stuck with him. All great managers have a period where fans want to get rid. They just need time. We needed better defenders and a better Centre midfielder but we were close.

Oh what could of been.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Bluenose 91 on January 04, 2018, 10:10:24 PM
Stop it.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Bob Sacamano on January 04, 2018, 10:39:15 PM
This thread has turned into a farce.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: kramer0 on January 04, 2018, 10:47:00 PM
Apologies in advance for taking the bait.

For all of his talk about what we did with the ball, it never felt like we had a clear plan in possession under Martinez. We used to pass into pressing traps pretty regularly and we conceded too many goals off of cheap giveaways as result. I also think that, just as with Koeman, Lukaku helped mask genuine chance creation issues.

Teams that effectively prioritize possession usually close the opposition down directly after they lose the ball for a few seconds before falling back into their defensive shape. We rarely ever pressed like this under Martinez, probably partly down to poor fitness, and we didn't have a good defensive shape either. That's a recipe for defensive disaster, whoever the players.

Our fitness wasn't good enough under Martinez. This showed up in two ways. (1) We weren't fit enough to apply pressure to our opponents which, as said previously, is important for a team that wants to play on the front foot. (2) Even when one of Martinez's plans worked to perfection, and he did have some good one-off plans, we were always a threat to fade around the 60th minute and throw the match away.

Martinez looked at the conversion rate from set pieces and wrote them off as an unimportant part of the game, choosing instead to focus on moving the ball (which, again, we really weren't all that good at). Set pieces are pretty well established now as a huge edge for clubs to prioritize them (https://statsbomb.com/2017/02/changing-how-the-world-thinks-about-set-pieces/ (https://statsbomb.com/2017/02/changing-how-the-world-thinks-about-set-pieces/)), not to mention that we left ourselves susceptible to repeated punishment from corners, indirect free kicks, etc. by not working on them enough.

We're still terrible at transfers now but that doesn't excuse what Martinez/Reeves did. They wasted a lot of money on players Martinez knew (Kone and Alcaraz were never good enough, Robles needed a lot of work to look remotely competent) and had a tendency to fall in love with players that had massive flaws. Besic was signed on the back of a few good World Cup performances in midfield (Martinez says we had followed him for longer but I'm not buying it. What he would have seen in that time was Besic playing in defense.) We could have signed Jonny Evans, who would have fit our passing approach and been an experienced partner for Stones, but instead chose to risk that money on Funes Mori, who isn't as good on the ball and is prone to massive lapses in concentration. Niasse has his virtues (we've seen that this season) but he was never a fit for a possession team and he was never worth the money. And that's not to mention other hopeful punts like Tarashaj (where is he?) and Rodriguez (may as well have burned the £600k). I'll give him Lukaku, Barry, Deulofeu, McCarthy (I don't think many saw him flatlining the way he has), and Holgate (paying off now) but there's not a lot of good in there.

Even if you think the recruitment would have been fixed with the money we have now (I'm not buying it, but okay), poor fitness, poor organization, and a lack of attention to detail still would have let us down. Martinez wasn't turning it around.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Heisenberg on January 04, 2018, 11:39:35 PM
Nah, we had one of the best seasons in recent decades in Martinez's first year. I wasn't one of his fans at all and I'm about as disinterested as you at the minute but let's not attempt to re-write history. 

I didn't say it was at the beginning of Martinez' reign keep your knickers on. He had a good 7 months with us, shame about the rest
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: gizzblue on January 04, 2018, 11:42:08 PM
You're right - my opinion is just an unpopular one. I don't think our defensive players at the time were good enough to take us to the next level and some of them are still here.

You won't see Guardiola or Klopp focus on defence too much either but they'll still win a lot of games, and in City's case trophies too. At the time, I felt our attacking players were being let down by our defensive players - a bit like the shite this season.
Funny though Guardiola took one of those not good enough defenders 😅😅...but i dont know nothing about football cos i think idea of defending for Martinez is shite 😅

Also your allowed whatever view you want ...but to label those who differ as not knowing anything is just being silly .
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Lxxx on January 04, 2018, 11:53:42 PM
Was reported Distin had a big barney with him at the time..

Still waiting for the gossip from Distin that he used to tease us with on Twitter.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: themilkycoffees on January 04, 2018, 11:57:35 PM
Funny though Guardiola took one of those not good enough defenders 😅😅...but i dont know nothing about football cos i think idea of defending for Martinez is shite 😅

Also your allowed whatever view you want ...but to label those who differ as not knowing anything is just being silly .

Stones/Coleman - only defenders good enough.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Rodenplav64 on January 05, 2018, 12:02:35 AM
You're right - my opinion is just an unpopular one. I don't think our defensive players at the time were good enough to take us to the next level and some of them are still here.

You won't see Guardiola or Klopp focus on defence too much either but they'll still win a lot of games, and in City's case trophies too. At the time, I felt our attacking players were being let down by our defensive players - a bit like the shite this season. 


Not with me as I wanted to stick with Martinez but sadly he couldn't react to the pressure in the same way as Koeman and both were let down by players . Exactly how Guardiola would fair with little money ( and in hindsight Martinez spent very little ) and average players is anyone guess . The fear ( however unlikely ) of relegation sets the appropriate lack of respect  and Moyes was lucky Moshiri wasn't in charge at the time he was Manager .
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: themilkycoffees on January 05, 2018, 12:12:50 AM
Apologies in advance for taking the bait.

For all of his talk about what we did with the ball, it never felt like we had a clear plan in possession under Martinez. We used to pass into pressing traps pretty regularly and we conceded too many goals off of cheap giveaways as result. I also think that, just as with Koeman, Lukaku helped mask genuine chance creation issues.

Teams that effectively prioritize possession usually close the opposition down directly after they lose the ball for a few seconds before falling back into their defensive shape. We rarely ever pressed like this under Martinez, probably partly down to poor fitness, and we didn't have a good defensive shape either. That's a recipe for defensive disaster, whoever the players.

Our fitness wasn't good enough under Martinez. This showed up in two ways. (1) We weren't fit enough to apply pressure to our opponents which, as said previously, is important for a team that wants to play on the front foot. (2) Even when one of Martinez's plans worked to perfection, and he did have some good one-off plans, we were always a threat to fade around the 60th minute and throw the match away.

Martinez looked at the conversion rate from set pieces and wrote them off as an unimportant part of the game, choosing instead to focus on moving the ball (which, again, we really weren't all that good at). Set pieces are pretty well established now as a huge edge for clubs to prioritize them (https://statsbomb.com/2017/02/changing-how-the-world-thinks-about-set-pieces/ (https://statsbomb.com/2017/02/changing-how-the-world-thinks-about-set-pieces/)), not to mention that we left ourselves susceptible to repeated punishment from corners, indirect free kicks, etc. by not working on them enough.

We're still terrible at transfers now but that doesn't excuse what Martinez/Reeves did. They wasted a lot of money on players Martinez knew (Kone and Alcaraz were never good enough, Robles needed a lot of work to look remotely competent) and had a tendency to fall in love with players that had massive flaws. Besic was signed on the back of a few good World Cup performances in midfield (Martinez says we had followed him for longer but I'm not buying it. What he would have seen in that time was Besic playing in defense.) We could have signed Jonny Evans, who would have fit our passing approach and been an experienced partner for Stones, but instead chose to risk that money on Funes Mori, who isn't as good on the ball and is prone to massive lapses in concentration. Niasse has his virtues (we've seen that this season) but he was never a fit for a possession team and he was never worth the money. And that's not to mention other hopeful punts like Tarashaj (where is he?) and Rodriguez (may as well have burned the £600k). I'll give him Lukaku, Barry, Deulofeu, McCarthy (I don't think many saw him flatlining the way he has), and Holgate (paying off now) but there's not a lot of good in there.

Even if you think the recruitment would have been fixed with the money we have now (I'm not buying it, but okay), poor fitness, poor organization, and a lack of attention to detail still would have let us down. Martinez wasn't turning it around.

Agree with the fitness problems and if addressed, things could have been very different. Also think Evans would have been a huge upgrade on Jagielka/Distin.

Lukaku didn't mask chance creation issues. Lukaku was/is a great finisher, but very rarely did he create goals out of nothing. Arsenal (13-14), Chelsea (15-16) and City (16-17) off the top of my head in 4 seasons with us.

Worth noting we scored more than 2 of the top 6 in 2015-16. With a better quality of defender, on and off the ball, personally think things would have been different. As you say, recruitment was hit and miss and defence is probably where we struggled to recruit well. Jagielka and Distin weren't good enough to play the system well and Stones was just coming through.

Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on January 05, 2018, 12:23:56 AM
Out of our last 5 managers, Martinez was my favourite, easily played the nicest football and would have a good stab at being out most successful (whilst not successfully winning anything ofcourse).
His best was better than the rest and his worst wasn't as bad as the others.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: brap2 on January 05, 2018, 01:03:15 AM
Ive said this before but friend of friend was hired as nutrition person for the start of koemans reign and was, I quote, Ďgenuinely shockedí at how bad the nutrition was at finch farm. The players didnít have set meal times, didnít eat together, had terrible fast food style meals.

I always had quite a rose tinted view on Martinez because itís the last time I felt half optimistic about Everton, but hearing stuff like that totally put me off. Neglectful. And considering his worship of Guardiolaís style, dangerously ignorant.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: GLewis on January 05, 2018, 01:52:25 AM
Out of our last 5 managers, Martinez was my favourite, easily played the nicest football and would have a good stab at being out most successful (whilst not successfully winning anything ofcourse).
His best was better than the rest and his worst wasn't as bad as the others.

For me he wasted a good platform and a long spell, relatively for us (3 years), of not losing a preferred player.

Also his football, for me, wasnít better that when we played well under Moyes. ďTeam goalsĒ were probably better in Moyesí last 18 months.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: brap2 on January 05, 2018, 02:11:49 AM
For me he wasted a good platform and a long spell, relatively for us (3 years), of not losing a preferred player.

Also his football, for me, wasnít better that when we played well under Moyes. ďTeam goalsĒ were probably better in Moyesí last 18 months.

Yeah true.

Not too dissimilar to sam in that they generally rely on individual players creating something through sheer force of having the ball in the general vicinity of the box. No real system of chance creation.

Better in passive possession, and a much better counter attacking coach, but thatís arguably down to his better quality of players.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: JordanianEmbassy on January 05, 2018, 03:19:07 AM
You're right - my opinion is just an unpopular one. I don't think our defensive players at the time were good enough to take us to the next level and some of them are still here.

You won't see Guardiola or Klopp focus on defence too much either but they'll still win a lot of games, and in City's case trophies too. At the time, I felt our attacking players were being let down by our defensive players - a bit like the shite this season. 


Totally wrong about Guardiola. His Barca side worked just as hard to defend as they did to attack. They had a carefully thought out system for doing it as well.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Confucius on January 05, 2018, 03:51:39 AM
Agree with the fitness problems and if addressed, things could have been very different. Also think Evans would have been a huge upgrade on Jagielka/Distin.

Lukaku didn't mask chance creation issues. Lukaku was/is a great finisher, but very rarely did he create goals out of nothing. Arsenal (13-14), Chelsea (15-16) and City (16-17) off the top of my head in 4 seasons with us.

Worth noting we scored more than 2 of the top 6 in 2015-16. With a better quality of defender, on and off the ball, personally think things would have been different. As you say, recruitment was hit and miss and defence is probably where we struggled to recruit well. Jagielka and Distin weren't good enough to play the system well and Stones was just coming through.



i really like this guy. My new favourite poster
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 05, 2018, 05:48:03 AM
Just reading osman saying martinez, the man who got Everton, wouldn't play him in a Derby cos he thought he would get too involved in the game.... Ffs, I'd rather eleven lads from Walton out there getting involved in the game than eleven fuckers who don't care
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Bally on January 05, 2018, 06:09:36 AM
I look back on the Martinez reign with mainly fondness tbh.
I look back it with a black bag some bricks and a walk on the canal
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Bally on January 05, 2018, 06:12:04 AM
I like this guy. You spot on mate. I feel exactly the same. We should of stuck with him. All great managers have a period where fans want to get rid. They just need time. We needed better defenders and a better Centre midfielder but we were close.

Oh what could of been.
Fuck that
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: gizzblue on January 05, 2018, 06:30:09 AM
Yeah relegated without a cup ...that's were we would be been ......

Phenomenal.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Jamokachi on January 05, 2018, 07:49:25 AM
eleven fuckers who don't care

Works for Liverpool.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: cantoffee on January 05, 2018, 08:57:35 AM
We seemed to score an unusual number of worldies that first season under Martinez. At the time I thought he just gave the players more freedom but I think part of it was luck and good form.

Unfortunately once the form of the players dropped off they no longer had the confidence to take on those shots anymore.

Also, in that first season Baines and Coleman were the best pairing of fullbacks in the league, Jags and Distin were both good and Stones was breaking through.

Not sure I buy that our defenders weren't good enough that year.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: GLewis on January 05, 2018, 12:56:14 PM
We seemed to score an unusual number of worldies that first season under Martinez. At the time I thought he just gave the players more freedom but I think part of it was luck and good form.

Unfortunately once the form of the players dropped off they no longer had the confidence to take on those shots anymore.

Also, in that first season Baines and Coleman were the best pairing of fullbacks in the league, Jags and Distin were both good and Stones was breaking through.

Not sure I buy that our defenders weren't good enough that year.

The long range shots thing was puzzling as I thought the same as you - but Iím sure I read that he didnít like long range shots as their conversion rate is so low (a bit like corners).
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Shogun on January 05, 2018, 12:58:31 PM
Can we stop talking about Martinez
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 05, 2018, 02:14:43 PM
Works for Liverpool.
Impossible
When you sign for them you turn into a never walk alone singing bellend
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Juanito on January 05, 2018, 04:34:04 PM
Can we stop talking about Martinez


Thatís how depressingly bad and prehistoric Big Sam is, that we are reminiscing about Martinezís great season and ignoring the decable of the other season and a half where the players blew out of their arses after an hour. 
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Lxxx on January 05, 2018, 04:45:46 PM
I think the nostalgia of players actually passing the ball to each other has left some a bit misty-eyed after watching the past half a dozen games.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Ridge on January 05, 2018, 06:12:30 PM
Under Martinez first season he inherited an aging, shit team, no money, he made £15m profit and reduced wages, then got 7 points(10%) more than any other season in last 30 years. He left far more than he inherited, we got nearly £200m for Stones, Lukaku and Barkley. He didn't get a window with Moshiri's money, despite his arrival raising expectations even further. He was sacked because we weren't going to get CL football and the wheels had fully come off, but we needed a window to change things. Martinez planned over longer term and was almost willfully blind to short term problems.

Since then we had 7th is good for Everton and now it's about survival. We've had the £200m+ from his player sales, we've spent money on top of that and it looks like a pile of turds again. Moyes, Koeman and Allardyce are all older generation of managers, they all want those special players, but we never seem to have any. Under Martinez he'd be delighted with a turd, if it was the best turd we had, look at it glisten, tremendous.

If Martinez took over now, he'd put Pickford, Kenny, Holgate, Baningime, Vlasic, Lookman, DCL, Sandro in the team and wax lyrical, but they would be supported and develop into very good players by next season. Instead we'll crowbar Sigurdsson, Keane into teams that are playing well and keep returning to unorganised confusion, and bending over when going to big teams. Martinez would trade blows with anyone, in their own backyard, his fearlessness was often seen as carelessness. I think bravery is a key ingredient for the very best managers and I saw that in Unsworth and Kenwright, I don't see that in Allardyce or Moshiri.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Lxxx on January 05, 2018, 06:29:07 PM
Under Martinez first season he inherited an aging, shit team, no money, he made £15m profit and reduced wages, then got 7 points(10%) more than any other season in last 30 years. He left far more than he inherited, we got nearly £200m for Stones, Lukaku and Barkley. He didn't get a window with Moshiri's money, despite his arrival raising expectations even further. He was sacked because we weren't going to get CL football and the wheels had fully come off, but we needed a window to change things. Martinez planned over longer term and was almost willfully blind to short term problems.

Since then we had 7th is good for Everton and now it's about survival. We've had the £200m+ from his player sales, we've spent money on top of that and it looks like a pile of turds again. Moyes, Koeman and Allardyce are all older generation of managers, they all want those special players, but we never seem to have any. Under Martinez he'd be delighted with a turd, if it was the best turd we had, look at it glisten, tremendous.

If Martinez took over now, he'd put Pickford, Kenny, Holgate, Baningime, Vlasic, Lookman, DCL, Sandro in the team and wax lyrical, but they would be supported and develop into very good players by next season. Instead we'll crowbar Sigurdsson, Keane into teams that are playing well and keep returning to unorganised confusion, and bending over when going to big teams. Martinez would trade blows with anyone, in their own backyard, his fearlessness was often seen as carelessness. I think bravery is a key ingredient for the very best managers and I saw that in Unsworth and Kenwright, I don't see that in Allardyce or Moshiri.

Some good points but cherry-picking perceived pluses of a Martinez reign whilst neglecting to mention all the negatives doesn't lead to a balanced argument.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Bluenose 91 on January 05, 2018, 06:30:32 PM
Some good points but cherry-picking perceived pluses of a Martinez reign whilst neglecting to mention all the negatives doesn't lead to a balanced argument.

I was going to say ''what a load of shite'' but yeah you put it better.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Jamokachi on January 05, 2018, 06:34:25 PM
He left far more than he inherited, we got nearly £200m for Stones, Lukaku and Barkley.

Moyes signed Stones, and Barkley was a product of the youth system.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Trowel on January 05, 2018, 06:39:20 PM
Martinez inherited one of the most settled defences in the country, and invested in its future in the form of Joel Robles, Funes Mori, and Antolin bloody Alcaraz.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: TheRam on January 05, 2018, 06:42:41 PM
I think we can give Martinez some credit for development of the young players we're seeing now.

He created a path into the first team for them and we're seeing the fruits of that labour.

It wasnt all bad with him. He done some very good things here.

But you cant deny it was an absolute mess towards the end
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Lxxx on January 05, 2018, 06:48:20 PM
Moyes signed Stones, and Barkley was a product of the youth system.

Also Lukaku was hardly a punt. He was one of the most highly rated young strikers in world football and we had a 'try before you buy' deal, then pulled out all the stops to make it happen.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Ridge on January 05, 2018, 07:02:17 PM
Some good points but cherry-picking perceived pluses of a Martinez reign whilst neglecting to mention all the negatives doesn't lead to a balanced argument.

For the sake of balance and preaching the controversy. 10% more than next highest points total in 30 years, but he did talk nonsense and say phenomenal an annoying amount, he tried to be kind to everyone which made him seem insincere.

We never replaced height after selling Fellaini and Distin and we conceded a lot of headed goals. He refused to organise a defence, but this was Guardiola a little over a year ago.

Quote
Asked about his side's struggles to win the ball off Leicester, having not won a tackle in the opening 35 minutes, Guardiola said: "The second balls is a concept that is typical here in England when they use a lot about the tackles.

"I am not a coach for the tackles so I don't train the tackles. What I want is to try and play good and score goals and arrive more [in the box].

"Yes the duels you have to win that's true. But normally when you play good you win a lot of tackles"
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Mick 1995 on January 05, 2018, 07:14:14 PM
For the sake of balance and preaching the controversy. 10% more than next highest points total in 30 years, but he did talk nonsense and say phenomenal an annoying amount, he tried to be kind to everyone which made him seem insincere.

We never replaced height after selling Fellaini and Distin and we conceded a lot of headed goals. He refused to organise a defence, but this was Guardiola a little over a year ago.


you're mistaking tackling with defending.

Most top defenders will tell you that, if they are flying in for a tackle, it is because they fucked up somewhere else. It's a last ditch thing, going to the floor.
Guardiola wants to make sure his defence is solid and well trained and doesn't bother with tackles because he intends to cut out the danger before it gets that far.

Martinez and yourself hear "i don't train for tackles2 as "I don't tgive a shit about defending because i want to have the ball all the time".
It's not the same thing.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Lxxx on January 05, 2018, 07:15:06 PM
For the sake of balance and preaching the controversy. 10% more than next highest points total in 30 years, but he did talk nonsense and say phenomenal an annoying amount, he tried to be kind to everyone which made him seem insincere.

We never replaced height after selling Fellaini and Distin and we conceded a lot of headed goals. He refused to organise a defence, but this was Guardiola a little over a year ago.


I'm not denying that Martinez's investment in youth is admirable. I think he might be best served as an U-23 coach as he'd probably make the young lads feel 10 feet tall. I'm not sure his methods would fully prepare them for the competitive world of football at a higher level mind but I'm willing to admit he's probably a decent bloke, if a little unhinged.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Ridge on January 05, 2018, 07:15:22 PM
Also Lukaku was hardly a punt. He was one of the most highly rated young strikers in world football and we had a 'try before you buy' deal, then pulled out all the stops to make it happen.

Lukaku was obvious in hindsight, but we had to attract in first place, then motivate to push for a transfer to us. We spent our entire budget, he could have got a major injury and there are still some fundamental flaws in terms of play as a target man.

Now we've got more money than sense, but would Lukaku come here from Chelsea now or would we buy, I don't think so.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Ell Capitan on January 05, 2018, 07:20:01 PM
Some awful revisionism going on in here.

Martinez was terrible. Our defence wasnít a mess because of the players, it was because of his lack of focus on defence. Which he stated many times. Absurd words to come out a managerís mouth.

Meanwhile the romanticism leads people to think Ďwell defensively we were bad, but going forward we were excitingí. No we fucking werenít. We were shite. Last 18 months watching us was dreadful, we had no effective plan of how to attack, every other manager had figured us out, we literally didnít beat a single team above us in the league the entire time.

This isnít just a fan opinion. Multiple players have come out and said how appaling he was. Pienaar, Hibbert, Baines, Jags etc.  And remember Baines eyerolling? Or Lukakus reaction when he found out about the Belgium job? Martinez had zero respect from all our top players.

I canít emphasise this enough: Martinez was absolutely fucking shite and getting rid of him was one of the best (if far too delayed) decisions Iíve ever seen the club make.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: themilkycoffees on January 05, 2018, 07:28:28 PM
I don't think teams had worked us out quite as much as you say. We scored more than United and the same as Southampton who finished 5th and 6th in 2015-16. The problem was 100% with the defensive side of the game. We didn't press well enough, and we lost multiple leads late in games. There was a major issue with the the fitness and then half the players completely gave up, which is when it looked truly shambolic.

Top players like Hibbert, Baines and Jags who have never and will never win a single thing in their lives. No denying he needed to go because our top players decided to stop trying. Some of them are still here. Serial losers.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Ridge on January 05, 2018, 07:47:14 PM
Moyes signed Stones, and Barkley was a product of the youth system.

Both were young players on the periphery of the team. Martinez was close to signing Stones for Wigan and Barkley was playing out wide before Martinez made him a central figure in team. But I liked and still rate what Moyes did, I just think it highlights what Martinez did even more.

Moyes was here 3 times longer than Martinez, and he gave youngsters a chance to come into the team. But he never really cemented them in the first team or built a team round them. Most of the players that saw the biggest development under Moyes were probably around 25. All the players excluding Rooney, probably had time out on loan, played out wide, got chances here and there.

Martinez signed Holgate, Galloway and was bringing Pennington and Browning through. We've signed Williams, Keane since and are only starting to give Holgate time now, almost out of necessity and rest are loaned out and likely not to get chance.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Bluenose 91 on January 05, 2018, 08:06:04 PM
Can we knock the Guardiola comparisons on the head?

They're both Spanish and that's where the similarities end.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: themilkycoffees on January 05, 2018, 08:18:35 PM
I don't think anyone is trying to say Martinez can be compared with Guardiola. It is a lot easier to play an expansive possession based system with Barcelona, Bayern and City though. Be interesting to see how Martinez does with Belgium, with genuine quality right across the pitch. I personally think he'll do well.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Ell Capitan on January 05, 2018, 08:24:33 PM
I don't think teams had worked us out quite as much as you say. We scored more than United and the same as Southampton who finished 5th and 6th in 2015-16. The problem was 100% with the defensive side of the game. We didn't press well enough, and we lost multiple leads late in games. There was a major issue with the the fitness and then half the players completely gave up, which is when it looked truly shambolic.

Top players like Hibbert, Baines and Jags who have never and will never win a single thing in their lives. No denying he needed to go because our top players decided to stop trying. Some of them are still here. Serial losers.

You need to go and watch some of those games again. We were awful going forward.

Admittedly we did hammer really awful team like Sunderland and Villa which did wonders for the ĎGoals Forí column.

And thatís really all Martinezís style was good for - beating teams that were shite. When we came u against a team with very poor discipline and no quality, weíd win. Itís why we did Ďwellí in the cups with the bloody two semi final line, but when in those competitions we actually had to play someone decent, we got found out.

The defence was by far the bigger problem Iíll give you that, but to suggest that Martinez had us even halfway competent going forward is untrue.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Ell Capitan on January 05, 2018, 08:31:20 PM
I don't think teams had worked us out quite as much as you say. We scored more than United and the same as Southampton who finished 5th and 6th in 2015-16. The problem was 100% with the defensive side of the game. We didn't press well enough, and we lost multiple leads late in games. There was a major issue with the the fitness and then half the players completely gave up, which is when it looked truly shambolic.

Top players like Hibbert, Baines and Jags who have never and will never win a single thing in their lives. No denying he needed to go because our top players decided to stop trying. Some of them are still here. Serial losers.

And your comments about players like Baines and Jags are pretty disgraceful for an Everton fan. Insulting them because they dedicated their careers to our club rather than go off in search of silverware. Maybe youíd respect them more if theyíd fucked off like Stones, Rooney or Barkley. Nice. But sure, blame them, not Martinez. Iím sure youíre right.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: themilkycoffees on January 05, 2018, 08:54:18 PM
How is it a disgrace? Baines was fantastic in his day and could have moved but didn't. Credit to him for being loyal to Everton and maybe he's suffered as a result, as he probably could and should have won trophies. Don't tell me Everton isn't the best that Jagielka could ever have done. Average PL defender at his best, vastly overestimates his ability on the ball.

Both absolutely finished now and have been on a downwards trajectory for a while. Baines only plays backwards and never takes on his man anymore. Jagielka, in particular, is a liability and serial loser. It's a disgrace that he's captain of our football club. He literally jumps out of the way of the cross for Bournemouth's first goal a couple of weeks ago. The first thing that needs to happen in the summer is to say thanks for the service and then get rid.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Lxxx on January 05, 2018, 09:02:56 PM
I don't think anyone is trying to say Martinez can be compared with Guardiola. It is a lot easier to play an expansive possession based system with Barcelona, Bayern and City though. Be interesting to see how Martinez does with Belgium, with genuine quality right across the pitch. I personally think he'll do well.

You do know he's been there a year and a half already?
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Lxxx on January 05, 2018, 09:04:25 PM
And your comments about players like Baines and Jags are pretty disgraceful for an Everton fan. Insulting them because they dedicated their careers to our club rather than go off in search of silverware. Maybe you’d respect them more if they’d fucked off like Stones, Rooney or Barkley. Nice. But sure, blame them, not Martinez. I’m sure you’re right.

They're not disgraceful mate, he's an Everton fan too and entitled to his opinion. It's what makes a forum.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Ell Capitan on January 05, 2018, 09:22:36 PM
How is it a disgrace? Baines was fantastic in his day and could have moved but didn't. Credit to him for being loyal to Everton and maybe he's suffered as a result, as he probably could and should have won trophies. Don't tell me Everton isn't the best that Jagielka could ever have done. Average PL defender at his best, vastly overestimates his ability on the ball.

Both absolutely finished now and have been on a downwards trajectory for a while. Baines only plays backwards and never takes on his man anymore. Jagielka, in particular, is a liability and serial loser. It's a disgrace that he's captain of our football club. He literally jumps out of the way of the cross for Bournemouth's first goal a couple of weeks ago. The first thing that needs to happen in the summer is to say thanks for the service and then get rid.


Jagielka was a fantastic defender in his prime, one of the best in the league. Arsenal are well known to have come knocking.

Itís a disgrace calling them serial losers. Fine theyíve both deteriorated, but youíre  not only blaming them for the natural passage of time and injury, rather than the club who failure to replace them or phase them out, but youíre letting their current form cloud your judgement of their entire careers which you are insulting by calling them serial losers.

And @Lxxx (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4362) it is a forum, anyone can have an opinion, including my opinion that insulting Baines and Jags like that is disgraceful for an Everton fan.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: themilkycoffees on January 05, 2018, 09:24:45 PM
You do know he's been there a year and a half already?

I do, but hard to judge him on the group they qualified for the WC from. 28 points from 10 games is a good return, but expected. The World Cup will be a better platform to judge I think.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Lxxx on January 05, 2018, 09:25:09 PM
Jagielka was a fantastic defender in his prime, one of the best in the league. Arsenal are well known to have come knocking.

Itís a disgrace calling them serial losers. Fine theyíve both deteriorated, but youíre  not only blaming them for the natural passage of time and injury, rather than the club who failure to replace them or phase them out, but youíre letting their current form cloud your judgement of their entire careers which you are insulting by calling them serial losers.

And @Lxxx (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4362) it is a forum, anyone can have an opinion, including my opinion that insulting Baines and Jags like that is disgraceful for an Everton fan.

I agree sunshine.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: BlueMaquis on January 05, 2018, 09:27:42 PM
Jagielka was a fantastic defender in his prime, one of the best in the league. Arsenal are well known to have come knocking.

Itís a disgrace calling them serial losers. Fine theyíve both deteriorated, but youíre  not only blaming them for the natural passage of time and injury, rather than the club who failure to replace them or phase them out, but youíre letting their current form cloud your judgement of their entire careers which you are insulting by calling them serial losers.

And @Lxxx (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4362) it is a forum, anyone can have an opinion, including my opinion that insulting Baines and Jags like that is disgraceful for an Everton fan.

If they really cared for us, they'd let us go.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: themilkycoffees on January 05, 2018, 09:28:41 PM
Jagielka was a fantastic defender in his prime, one of the best in the league. Arsenal are well known to have come knocking.

Itís a disgrace calling them serial losers. Fine theyíve both deteriorated, but youíre  not only blaming them for the natural passage of time and injury, rather than the club who failure to replace them or phase them out, but youíre letting their current form cloud your judgement of their entire careers which you are insulting by calling them serial losers.

And @Lxxx (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4362) it is a forum, anyone can have an opinion, including my opinion that insulting Baines and Jags like that is disgraceful for an Everton fan.

I haven't once said it's their fault that they're still in the team. I agreed that Baines was a great player, disagreed on Jags. Still don't know why it's a disgrace? It's my opinion. It's not really current form clouding my judgement either. Baines hasn't been the same since the 2014 WC and Jagielka's best run of form for us was probably way back before the FA Cup final in 2009.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: GLewis on January 05, 2018, 09:50:53 PM
Can we knock the Guardiola comparisons on the head?

They're both Spanish and that's where the similarities end.

Balding too to be fair.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Tinga on January 05, 2018, 09:51:16 PM
I hope we brought some lube.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: therealdunc on January 05, 2018, 10:51:27 PM
I haven't once said it's their fault that they're still in the team. I agreed that Baines was a great player, disagreed on Jags. Still don't know why it's a disgrace? It's my opinion. It's not really current form clouding my judgement either. Baines hasn't been the same since the 2014 WC and Jagielka's best run of form for us was probably way back before the FA Cup final in 2009.

These type of fans who back crap because it wears royal blue are the disease within the club

They hate honest opinion based on facts and reality

They have no real ambition and think all the current squad should be praised

You canít win with these people

Thankfully they are the minority
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Confucius on January 06, 2018, 12:01:25 AM
Going to be loads eating humble pie once Belgium win the World Cup.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on January 06, 2018, 12:06:01 AM
Going to be loads eating humble pie once Belgium win the World Cup.

It won't be Martinez though, it'll be the left overs from the previous manager ;)
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Ross on January 06, 2018, 12:09:11 AM
Cup competitions are just about luck @Confucius (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=196)
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Confucius on January 06, 2018, 12:11:17 AM
It won't be Martinez though, it'll be the left overs from the previous manager ;)

Cup competitions are just about luck @Confucius (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=196)

Too true. Only Everton would have let the World Cup winning manager go within the last few years.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: everton1952 on January 06, 2018, 12:13:21 AM
Getting back to the thread title. I managed to see Sam's press conference thanks to SAN_DRO and I have to say I really like Sam !! Sorry to those who wish he was somewhere else. He inspires confidence in the way he expresses himself, plain speaking, sense of humour.  He may not succeed here but it won't be for want of trying. I await a torrent of abuse for admitting I like him. I don't care.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Bluedylan on January 06, 2018, 12:48:32 AM
Getting back to the thread title. I managed to see Sam's press conference thanks to SAN_DRO and I have to say I really like Sam !! Sorry to those who wish he was somewhere else. He inspires confidence in the way he expresses himself, plain speaking, sense of humour.  He may not succeed here but it won't be for want of trying. I await a torrent of abuse for admitting I like him. I don't care.

You a bit disappointed you didn't get a torrent of abuse?
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: ally2 on January 06, 2018, 01:00:52 AM
You a bit disappointed you didn't get a torrent of abuse?

Give it time
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Thomas on January 06, 2018, 11:53:25 PM
Last nights loss i put down to SA  being too tactically conservative. Attack is the best form of defence in my eyes. When we conceded was when we where defensive. When ae attacked we didnt and they shit themselves for 5-19mins. Then we levelled and for some reason it went back to status quo.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Thomas on January 07, 2018, 12:00:00 AM
Some awful revisionism going on in here.

Martinez was terrible. Our defence wasn't a mess because of the players, it was because of his lack of focus on defence. Which he stated many times. Absurd words to come out a manager's mouth.

Meanwhile the romanticism leads people to think "well defensively we were bad, but going forward we were exciting'. No we fucking weren't. We were shite. Last 18 months watching us was dreadful, we had no effective plan of how to attack, every other manager had figured us out, we literally didn't beat a single team above us in the league the entire time.

This isn't just a fan opinion. Multiple players have come out and said how appaling he was. Pienaar, Hibbert, Baines, Jags etc.  And remember Baines eyerolling? Or Lukakus reaction when he found out about the Belgium job? Martinez had zero respect from all our top players.

I can't emphasise this enough: Martinez was absolutely fucking shite and getting rid of him was one of the best (if far too delayed) decisions I've ever seen the club make.
This. I didnt go his firat season but I went everywhere home and away his last 2. It was horrendous and he lost me when he left Baines to hang out to dry after he made some critical but correct comments about our performances, which as a senior and popular player i felt he was entitled to do so.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: everton1952 on January 07, 2018, 01:27:43 AM
I do not anticipate abuse from the very reasonable, sensible, knowledgeable, fair minded, balanced members of this excellent forum. I am sure deep down the majority have a soft spot for big and little Sam. Of course they are not omnipotent but they have the best interests of our club and their own reputations at heart, and they have my support. Today is terrible, I can't bring myself to watch any cup football.  We have been here before, sadly.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 07, 2018, 01:39:35 AM
Easily our best performance last night under his reign
Let's see if he can bring more out of us offensively from now on
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Escla on January 07, 2018, 01:45:16 AM
Last nights loss i put down to SA  being too tactically conservative. Attack is the best form of defence in my eyes. When we conceded was when we where defensive. When ae attacked we didnt and they shit themselves for 5-19mins. Then we levelled and for some reason it went back to status quo.

What a bizarre analysis , we went for it for 90 minutes, a bad ref decision and a blunder cost us the game,
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Simon Paul on January 07, 2018, 04:19:44 AM
What a bizarre analysis , we went for it for 90 minutes, a bad ref decision and a blunder cost us the game,

We put in a shift and wanted to get forward, we just weren't capable of more
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Bally on January 07, 2018, 05:02:50 AM
I do not anticipate abuse from the very reasonable, sensible, knowledgeable, fair minded, balanced members of this excellent forum. I am sure deep down the majority have a soft spot for big and little Sam. Of course they are not omnipotent but they have the best interests of our club and their own reputations at heart, and they have my support. Today is terrible, I can't bring myself to watch any cup football.  We have been here before, sadly.

What about us cunts, do you expect abuse from us then, sitting up there on your blue tinted cloud of non critical analysis of a jurassic fucking manager, insinuating those that don't agree with you are of lesser intelligence, you fucking child, grow the fuck up.
#Twatapotumuss
#ElephCunt
#FartWrangler
Sorry was the inner child in me.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Ridge on January 07, 2018, 06:08:23 AM
I quite like Allardyce as a comical character. But I wouldn't have thought we'd have to appoint such a clogger before we got cash, let alone after it.

I'm resigned to having Allardyce for much of this season. But I think its a matter of time before the poor performances make him too unpopular, as results are only going to pick up so many points.

I think the longer he's here the worse in terms of development and quality of team. He's left a pile of shit everywhere else, hope he isn't allowed to stay here long enough to get there.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Shropshire Blue on January 07, 2018, 06:17:17 AM
Few hours now since Hughes was sacked and still no call for him to replace Sam.
Sometimes the posters on here disappoint me.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: gizzblue on January 07, 2018, 06:19:20 AM
Might as well pay him off and get rid now ...we're not going down (we never were)were not breaking top six  (we never were).. give someone a go who knows how to attack as well as be defensive .
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Shropshire Blue on January 07, 2018, 06:46:42 AM
Supposing you gave Guardiola Niasse, Dom and Sandro how many do you reckon they would score between them in the second half of the season?
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: gizzblue on January 07, 2018, 06:56:38 AM
Supposing you gave Guardiola Niasse, Dom and Sandro how many do you reckon they would score between them in the second half of the season?
An ass full ....de Bruyne and Silva could assist anyone.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on January 07, 2018, 07:04:56 AM
Sams a changed man...
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Jamokachi on January 07, 2018, 07:17:00 AM
Might as well pay him off and get rid now ...we're not going down (we never were)were not breaking top six  (we never were).. give someone a go who knows how to attack as well as be defensive .

The issue being, there is a serious lack of options available right now. Hence we're in the position we are. We're best off waiting until the summer.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Trublue on January 07, 2018, 11:04:01 AM
Anyone who is critical of Jags and Baines for their service to our club, just don't know what they are talking about. Yes they aren't as good as they used to be. Guess what age catches up with us all. They can still do a job, as Jags proved Friday night. Yes they need replacing but with respect, that shows the service they provided. Like Hibbert and Osman should of got.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Thomas on January 07, 2018, 06:35:04 PM
The issue being, there is a serious lack of options available right now. Hence we're in the position we are. We're best off waiting until the summer.
Considering he is making HIS signings like Tonsun and packing the backroom staff with his people, I dont think he is off yet. What was basically hoped to be a kind of Joe Royle style appointment of guile mixed with flair and decent positions in the table, has turned into something out of the Walter Smith era. (Especially 98/99 or 2000/01 where we splashed cash and nearly went down)
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Shropshire Blue on January 07, 2018, 08:06:06 PM
He may have lifted us out of the relegation mire, conceded fewer goals in 11 games than we conceded in the 2 games before he came, got us into the top half of the table , increased the goals scored and started signing foreign forwards but you have to balance that against the hard fact that he will have been here 6 weeks come Tuesday and he needs to appreciate that fans won't wait forever to get into the top 4
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: toshyboy on January 07, 2018, 09:38:38 PM
Ridiculous that people are calling for his head. Proper joke. Weíre in jan so heís got a window to address the squad, and the backlog of games has gone so heís got time to train the players and get his methods across more so given weíre out the cup. If nothings changed by mid March then I can understand the shouts, but right now its ridiculous
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: everton1952 on January 07, 2018, 09:42:35 PM
He may have lifted us out of the relegation mire, conceded fewer goals in 11 games than we conceded in the 2 games before he came, got us into the top half of the table , increased the goals scored and started signing foreign forwards but you have to balance that against the hard fact that he will have been here 6 weeks come Tuesday and he needs to appreciate that fans won't wait forever to get into the top 4
Can I have some of what you are on?  For ever is a long long time, but to bring it down to measurable numbers, I doubt that any Everton fans seriously think we will get into the top 4, this side of 10 years from now. It took Spurs  10 years to arrive and we have not yet even started to build a side capable of that. Of our 25 squad players none are good enough to play in a top 4 side. Sam's ambition must be limited to a return to best of the rest i.e. 7th. Keep dreaming though pal.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: eugene on January 07, 2018, 09:51:42 PM
He may have lifted us out of the relegation mire, conceded fewer goals in 11 games than we conceded in the 2 games before he came, got us into the top half of the table , increased the goals scored and started signing foreign forwards but you have to balance that against the hard fact that he will have been here 6 weeks come Tuesday and he needs to appreciate that fans won't wait forever to get into the top 4
So what did the Romans ever do for us!
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on January 07, 2018, 09:57:03 PM
Can I have some of what you are on?  For ever is a long long time, but to bring it down to measurable numbers, I doubt that any Everton fans seriously think we will get into the top 4, this side of 10 years from now. It took Spurs  10 years to arrive and we have not yet even started to build a side capable of that. Of our 25 squad players none are good enough to play in a top 4 side. Sam's ambition must be limited to a return to best of the rest i.e. 7th. Keep dreaming though pal.
Maybe Irony? just a thought..
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: eugene on January 07, 2018, 10:05:16 PM
He may have lifted us out of the relegation mire, conceded fewer goals in 11 games than we conceded in the 2 games before he came, got us into the top half of the table , increased the goals scored and started signing foreign forwards but you have to balance that against the hard fact that he will have been here 6 weeks come Tuesday and he needs to appreciate that fans won't wait forever to get into the top 4
Shropshire I donít get what you are on about, we could be well fucked by now ,imagine if it continued under our beloved rhino and yes love him ,there was no guvnor to stamp the foot..... I think Sam is doing a sterling job with what he has AND has steadied the ship wait till we move mate Iíll get my ST next to you and you can get the ale for the season COYMB
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Ross on January 07, 2018, 10:16:46 PM
Shropshire I donít get what you are on about, we could be well fucked by now ,imagine if it continued under our beloved rhino and yes love him ,there was no guvnor to stamp the foot..... I think Sam is doing a sterling job with what he has AND has steadied the ship wait till we move mate Iíll get my ST next to you and you can get the ale for the season COYMB

Allardyce keeping us in the league till we move in to our new stadium? Now where have a I heard that before...
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: JordanianEmbassy on January 07, 2018, 10:33:08 PM
Shropshire I donít get what you are on about, we could be well fucked by now ,imagine if it continued under our beloved rhino and yes love him ,there was no guvnor to stamp the foot..... I think Sam is doing a sterling job with what he has AND has steadied the ship wait till we move mate Iíll get my ST next to you and you can get the ale for the season COYMB
He was joking mate
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: eugene on January 07, 2018, 10:36:19 PM
Allardyce keeping us in the league till we move in to our new stadium? Now where have a I heard that before...
Itís how it is fella 18 month contract we do well and sit down and talk,,,,,, itís business
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: gizzblue on January 08, 2018, 12:29:37 AM
I've got a few bob on him being gone before Sept 👍.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: eugene on January 08, 2018, 12:33:58 AM
I've got a few bob on him being gone before Sept .
I think he will do well, heís never been backed anywhere he has managed also think the ďproject ď Is superb
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: eugene on January 08, 2018, 12:35:15 AM
I've got a few bob on him being gone before Sept .
2 years min Iíll give you a tenner if Iím wrong
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: gizzblue on January 08, 2018, 12:36:13 AM
I think he will do well, he's never been backed anywhere he has managed also think the "project " Is superb
Will reserve severe judgment untill we see him do more than defend against weaker sides .

Or stops blaming players when he does set them out to sit back .
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: eugene on January 08, 2018, 12:40:30 AM
Will reserve severe judgment untill we see him do more than defend against weaker sides .

Or stops blaming players when he does set them out to sit back .
Let him get his squad sorted and I think you will be made up donít forget this is a bigger level for him
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: eugene on January 08, 2018, 12:41:40 AM
Let him get his squad sorted and I think you will be made up don't forget this is a bigger level for him
I believe we are going big time
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: gizzblue on January 08, 2018, 12:42:07 AM
Let him get his squad sorted and I think you will be made up don't forget this is a bigger level for him
Like I said I will reserve judgement 👍
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: eugene on January 08, 2018, 12:44:42 AM
Like I said I will reserve judgement
Canít fault you my mate but Iím so enthusiastic about us at the mo and Iím a Rot vet just got the feeling agaij
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Escla on January 08, 2018, 01:17:03 AM
He may have lifted us out of the relegation mire, conceded fewer goals in 11 games than we conceded in the 2 games before he came, got us into the top half of the table , increased the goals scored and started signing foreign forwards but you have to balance that against the hard fact that he will have been here 6 weeks come Tuesday and he needs to appreciate that fans won't wait forever to get into the top 4

Masterly piece of sarcasm sir !
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Bluedylan on January 08, 2018, 02:13:20 AM
I believe we are going big time

We couldn't possibly look less like going big time.

Allardyce might as well have 'small time' written on his club trackies.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on January 08, 2018, 02:40:46 AM
We couldn't possibly look less like going big time.

Allardyce might as well have 'small time' written on his club trackies.
Small time Sams brought us up from down the U bend so he'll do for me for now.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Confucius on January 08, 2018, 05:03:39 AM
We are so shit. I hate feeling like being West Ham or Newcastle. We really should be at the level of a Spurs, Arsenal and even Liverpool. Allardyce is not the guy to get us there
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on January 08, 2018, 05:14:36 AM
A lot of buying and selling to do before we go much higher, whoever we have.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on January 09, 2018, 12:01:12 AM
We are so shit. I hate feeling like being West Ham or Newcastle. We really should be at the level of a Spurs, Arsenal and even Liverpool. Allardyce is not the guy to get us there
Have you ever visited the planet earth?
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: BlueForYou on January 09, 2018, 01:43:59 AM
We just have to win the Premier League before Liverpool

Come on, Sam - "The 2019 School Of Science Moneyball Champions"

And all will be forgiven!





Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on January 09, 2018, 02:02:27 AM
Fuckin pesky Sam responsible for everything since 1987 the bastard...
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Confucius on January 09, 2018, 02:48:25 AM
Have you ever visited the planet earth?

Yup, my version is loads better than your crappy defeatist version. The version of us I despise. Plucky little Everton. Punching above their weight Everton. Happy to never win anything Everton. Time you stop being happy with average. Or is your goal to be an average human. If so, carry on.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on January 09, 2018, 03:40:33 AM
Yup, my version is loads better than your crappy defeatist version. The version of us I despise. Plucky little Everton. Punching above their weight Everton. Happy to never win anything Everton. Time you stop being happy with average. Or is your goal to be an average human. If so, carry on.
Once more for the hard of learning, there is not an Evertonian alive that was happy someone like him had to be employed, we have been shit for years with little peaks of success in intervals. A mixture of bad luck, bad management,lack of funds whatever, Allardyce has only lifted us up towards average after the fucking car crashes that were Koeman and Martinez, Moyes spun financial plates as well getting a good job out of average players and discovering the odd goodun. Bad luck with them next door getting us kicked out of europe was a genuine injustice the rest just par for the coarse for us as far as my memory goes back {early 70s}...
    This sense of entitlement thing makes you sound like Red shite, Allardyce has lifted us away from  beating absolutely nobody and the threat of relegation, anyone who thinks we were in no danger is fuckin mad.
    He deserves more kudos from the sniffy tank tops who really think we actually have a school of science.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: brap2 on January 09, 2018, 05:30:23 AM
The idea of Big Sam having to come in and pull us out the shite after getting pumped every week and scoring fewer goals than anyone whoís ever survived relegation is a travesty and a shame and an embarrassingly bitter pill to swollow after all the big uns we were all prepared to give after spending a bit of doh for once in our miserable history, anyone saying otherwise is sniffing glue.

But it is what it is and he sorted out the back four with his eyes closed.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Confucius on January 09, 2018, 05:33:54 AM
Any decent manager would of done what Sam has. I reckon Unsworth would of gotten us to where we are now. But we are now 5 games winless and although the Derby was our best performance under Allardyce, his history does not merit him being the right guy for us.

It is not entitlement. We don't deserve to be in the top 4-5. We have to earn it. We have to use the money we have wisely. Hiring Sam is not that. It is a poor appointment and rather knee jerk. If we want to be the best, we have to act, think and strategize with the best.

We have to have real ambition, not just defeatist attitudes that make it sound like there is no hope in even trying.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: ally2 on January 09, 2018, 05:44:18 AM
Yeah yeah
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: brap2 on January 09, 2018, 05:57:29 AM
Any decent manager would of done what Sam has. I reckon Unsworth would of gotten us to where we are now. But we are now 5 games winless and although the Derby was our best performance under Allardyce, his history does not merit him being the right guy for us.

It is not entitlement. We don't deserve to be in the top 4-5. We have to earn it. We have to use the money we have wisely. Hiring Sam is not that. It is a poor appointment and rather knee jerk. If we want to be the best, we have to act, think and strategize with the best.

We have to have real ambition, not just defeatist attitudes that make it sound like there is no hope in even trying.

No, unsworth was sinking without a trace and imo wonít be at the club for much longer. Terrible tactically.

People talk about how easy it is for someone like sam to come in and set up a low block and start keeping clean sheets but the fact is, if it was that easy he wouldnít make the doh he does.

It was a desperate move but itís done now, weíre not going to turf him out mid season and I wouldnít even want us to. May well be that heíll get a golden handshake in the summer and weíll see someone fancy come in, which is fine, but none of it REALLY matters until we get a functioning board and DOF to be quite honest.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: bacon sarnie on January 09, 2018, 08:29:27 AM
We couldn't possibly look less like going big time.

Allardyce might as well have 'small time' written on his club trackies.

Sarcasm at its finest. Pip-pip to you sir!
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Mayor Farnum on January 10, 2018, 12:55:44 AM
We are so shit. I hate feeling like being West Ham or Newcastle. We really should be at the level of a Spurs, Arsenal and even Liverpool. Allardyce is not the guy to get us there

A lot more than a change in manager needs to happen before we can consider at least two of those teams rivals again.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Shogun on January 14, 2018, 12:54:02 AM
Got to go in the summer.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: blargins on January 14, 2018, 12:55:46 AM
I honestly don't think we need a manager. Why bother, we're shit regardless.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Cozzie on January 14, 2018, 12:56:24 AM
Agreed let him get us to 7th and absolutely boot his stupid fat headed arse right out the door with Sammy lee close after him.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Shogun on January 14, 2018, 12:56:57 AM
Agreed let him get us to 7th and absolutely boot his stupid fat headed arse right out the door with Sammy lee close after him.

I'll be very surprised if we get 7th
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: KingOfNapaValley on January 14, 2018, 01:20:08 AM
Shogun, your avatar has been the person I was hoping would be our manager for almost 2 years now.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Cozzie on January 14, 2018, 01:22:28 AM
Eddie howe would be an unprecedented disaster.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: kramer0 on January 14, 2018, 01:24:56 AM
I saw someone on Twitter say that if they were a PL team with an unstable manager situation, they'd back a whole truck full of money up to Gasperini's house.

Might be our best option, seeing as how throwing money around is about the only thing Moshiri as good at.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Mayor Farnum on January 14, 2018, 01:27:19 AM
Allardyce has got his work cut out if he wants the job on a longer basis as our season is over, the players know it and our results for the rest of the season will be all over the place.

We'll be ok at home as the crowd will demand effort but I wouldn't be surprised if we didn't win again away from home this season.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Shogun on January 14, 2018, 01:27:22 AM
Eddie howe would be an unprecedented disaster.

Rather a manager who keeps relegation favourites up playing great togger over what Allardyce has done for 30 years.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Macca77 on January 14, 2018, 01:32:10 AM
Well this is going well isn't it
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: kramer0 on January 14, 2018, 01:32:23 AM
At this point, I'll settle for anyone with decent taste in players, e.g. midfielders who can actually pass, creative players who actually create.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 14, 2018, 01:36:38 AM
Fancy giving this bellend a hundred million

And by bellend I mean walsh

Fancy giving the other nobed a hundred million.

And by nobed I mean Allardyce

We are fucking embarrassing
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: brap2 on January 14, 2018, 01:39:19 AM
Allardyce has got his work cut out if he wants the job on a longer basis as our season is over, the players know it and our results for the rest of the season will be all over the place.

We'll be ok at home as the crowd will demand effort but I wouldn't be surprised if we didn't win again away from home this season.

No chance is he here next season, be willing to put my house on it.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: everton1952 on January 14, 2018, 01:41:33 AM
He did not sign shite players like Gueye who either continually pass backwards or to the opposition. He inherited one rookie and one not terribly good out of position fullback. He inherited no creative midfielders, except the largely physically past it and frustrated Rooney and he inherited no goalscorers. A tall order for anyone. Yes we have a shite squad and he took the job on, but get things into perspective. The Turk looks good, pity about the rest. We should still stay up with a bit of luck and two more signings. Coleman back by March, and maybe Baines?  Guardiola would have a hard job with this lot.  Good job the prices are frozen for next season.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Shogun on January 14, 2018, 01:43:30 AM
Unsworth managed plenty of goals out of the same players.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: KingOfNapaValley on January 14, 2018, 01:45:06 AM
No chance is he here next season, be willing to put my house on it.

Well, if we let him go, we will owe him £6M as a going away gift, since his contract is 18 months at £115k/week. I don't see us doing that. And I don't see him walking away on his own and leaving that money on the table. So my bet is he will be here through 2018-19.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: KingOfNapaValley on January 14, 2018, 01:48:31 AM
Eddie howe would be an unprecedented disaster.

Curious why you think that? I expect he has more table points per unit of player wages than any manager in the PL the last few years. I reckon if the club gave him solid players, he would do pretty well with them. Manager skills and table position do not tell anything close to the full story. Bournemouth are essentially a glorified MK Dons with lower attendance. The fact they have stayed up this long to me, is a feat for which Howe deserves much credit.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: D_murph0278 on January 14, 2018, 01:55:11 AM
No chance is he here next season, be willing to put my house on it.

If he isn't, he will milk everton of millions.
The fact he agreed to an 18  month deal in the 1st place tells you his contract is 'claused' to death.
I like the fact we have money at the club, but I hate the road we are heading down.
There is so many people around the club that just shouldn't be anywhere near it.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: blargins on January 14, 2018, 01:55:17 AM
No chance is he here next season, be willing to put my house on it.

I bet you your house he is still here.

Hang on. Do you have a mortgage?
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: everton1952 on January 14, 2018, 01:55:19 AM
Unsworth managed plenty of goals out of the same players.
How long was his run of wins?
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Shogun on January 14, 2018, 01:56:52 AM
How long was his run of wins?

7 points from five.

Allardyce has 11 points from 9 which is far better.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Macca77 on January 14, 2018, 01:59:32 AM
Hes gone in the summer, thankfully
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Mayor Farnum on January 14, 2018, 02:01:43 AM
7 points from five.

Allardyce has 11 points from 9 which is far better.

Yes and Unsy was just warming up for Man U at home and Liverpool and Spurs away.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: indiantoffee1975 on January 14, 2018, 02:03:31 AM
Hes gone in the summer, thankfully

and whose replacing him as manager? Can't think of too many good managers who will want to come to this shitshow and work under this hierarchy in all honesty.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: GLewis on January 14, 2018, 02:04:52 AM
7 points from five.

Allardyce has 11 points from 9 which is far better.

To be balanced Unsy didnít play any decent sides whereas SA had had half vs top 6.

Points against dross for SA is 9/5.

Which is much better... ;)
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Shogun on January 14, 2018, 02:07:07 AM
To be balanced Unsy didnít play any decent sides whereas SA had had half vs top 6.

Points against dross for SA is 9/5.

Which is much better... ;)

Allardyce had a steadied ship to take over :)
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: KingOfNapaValley on January 14, 2018, 02:07:38 AM
I guess now is the time to remind everyone that FFP does indeed exist and we lost £24M last year, probably a shit ton worse this year after our awful transfers and that next year we won't be able to throw money around without thought. Given this fact, I don't see us taking a multi-million pound loss on sending off Sam, just so we can hire Pardew or whatever recycled failure is available at the time, only to sack that person 6-12 months later. Those who think we can spend £200M this next year are in for a horrible shock in the summer, I believe. We have less to spend than people here think and I don't see us losing £6M to Sam, on top of the exit package we already gave Koeman. Just don't.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: KingOfNapaValley on January 14, 2018, 02:09:58 AM
I am amazed at how much magical thinking now exists for Unsworth, in revisionist memory. Maybe they should go back and read the actual posts on this site for most of his time as caretaker. I think we would be certain relegation if he stayed on til the end of the season.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: GLewis on January 14, 2018, 02:10:00 AM
Allardyce had a steadied ship to take over :)

Yes :)

Anyway only 3 top 6 games left this season (Arsenal away; Lípool and City home) so shouldnít be any excuses.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Thomas on January 14, 2018, 02:11:44 AM
Once again the Majority Shareholder (Moshiri) is to blame for this. Aoart from all the embarrassing references to Voodoo and Jim White press releases, ver since he's been here things have been shit and hus decisions have made us far worse. He first appointed a completely overrated Koeman as manager then went one better in appointing this complete nihilist as coach. Today was utterly rudderless and devoid of passion.

Big  Sam has now lost the last 5, is shipping goals and we still cant score. I'd seriously with how shite the atmosphere is at Goodison and with all Premier League clubs divorcing themselves from fans whilst ripping them off, would rather go and watch COLFC/AFC Marine in Non League. More fun.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: KevtheRat on January 14, 2018, 02:20:23 AM
Once again the Majority Shareholder (Moshiri) is to blame for this. Aoart from all the embarrassing references to Voodoo and Jim White press releases, ver since he's been here things have been shit and hus decisions have made us far worse. He first appointed a completely overrated Koeman as manager then went one better in appointing this complete nihilist as coach. Today was utterly rudderless and devoid of passion.

Big  Sam has now lost the last 5, is shipping goals and we still cant score. I'd seriously with how shite the atmosphere is at Goodison and with all Premier League clubs divorcing themselves from fans whilst ripping them off, would rather go and watch COLFC/AFC Marine in Non League. More fun.

Go and watch Marine or the other shower then.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Heisenberg on January 14, 2018, 02:20:33 AM
He's got nothing. Cant set a team up correctly unless its a backs against the wall job. Another game with no chances. Low league teams in cup matches even manage to create chances. Forrest even beat arsenal the other day!
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Thomas on January 14, 2018, 02:22:32 AM
Go and watch Marine or the other shower then.

COLFC probably. Like I said, your paying over 500 quid or 45 per game or having to resort to being ripped off on Stubhub, to watch 45m players who cant even be bothered or kick a ball properly. Plus you cant stand up, have a pint whilst your watching the game nor have any relationship with club or players beyond customers.

Most importantly we are being charged full whack for STAGNATING whilst Moshiri makes a shed load despite constant mistakes and the next one will be Bramley Moore Dock.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Thomas on January 14, 2018, 02:23:43 AM
Go and watch Marine or the other shower then.

I understand why this guy did this.

t=32s
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Mayor Farnum on January 14, 2018, 02:26:32 AM
Things will hardly improve this season. We're safe and the players will approach the last 4 months of the season in the same way they usually approach the last four games of a season.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Silas on January 14, 2018, 02:26:54 AM
He's a bit shit isn't he? I know I should be more moderate about it but it's fucking dull
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Shogun on January 14, 2018, 02:29:02 AM
He's a bit shit isn't he? I know I should be more moderate about it but it's fucking dull

If he can even make you a glass half empty kind of guy then he's got to go!
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: KevtheRat on January 14, 2018, 02:29:26 AM
I understand why this guy did this.

t=32s

Do the same as him then mate.

With all due respect you pick the wrong time to come on here posting all the negative shite. Straight after an arse kicking when emotions are raw and nailed on youíll be running to the mods after a few counter arguments or comments.

Iím going the pub.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Mayor Farnum on January 14, 2018, 02:36:26 AM
I understand why this guy did this.

t=32s

Non League supporters consider themselves as some sort or martyrs. It's your choice; enjoy the same people on the half empty coach every week and the two hour conversation with the fella with a snot drop hanging from his nose.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Thomas on January 14, 2018, 02:38:58 AM
Do the same as him then mate.

With all due respect you pick the wrong time to come on here posting all the negative shite. Straight after an arse kicking when emotions are raw and nailed on youíll be running to the mods after a few counter arguments or comments.

Iím going the pub.

I'll be fine. Like yourself I'm also upset. I've took the rough with the smooth for 13 on years on here, I can handle it.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Ross on January 14, 2018, 02:39:58 AM
Hes gone in the summer, thankfully

No chance heís being allowed to keep hiring his own staff and buying his own targets just for the last 16 matches this season.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Thomas on January 14, 2018, 02:43:14 AM
Non League supporters consider themselves as some sort or martyrs. It's your choice; enjoy the same people on the half empty coach every week and the two hour conversation with the fella with a snot drop hanging from his nose.

Put it another way. Is it your choice to pay over 500 quid for a minimal relationship/input into your club, be treated like a customer, charged more and more each year for average performances in the league and completely inept running of the club watching 45m players who cant be bothered let alone kick a ball properly? Then a club moves onto a stadium which is a souless bowl, in an area with literally no infrastructure, transport or pubs. Football has got far too complicated and glamorous for me, ironically thats Big Sam's best trait. But its not his fault he was appointed, its our typical EPL style blundering owner who appointed him. Will he blame that on Voodoo as well?
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: everton1952 on January 14, 2018, 02:45:05 AM
I suppose this shite display by gutless players has wiped any smirk off Sam's face.   I do not blame some players because they are way below the class of Spurs players. For instance McCarthy, Gueye, Lennon, Cuco, Jags, a past it Rooney and others on the bench, cannot help but be what they are, second rate footballers. But this gutless capitulation cannot be excused. Sprogs like Kenny play like sprogs, which is to be expected some of the time. Cenk looked good but without support may be dragged down to our standard. He must wonder what he has let himself in for.  This is a 2-3 season job to turf out the clueless players who have been signed, not all by Walsh.  I doubt if Sam will be here that long, beyond keeping us out of trouble this season and next.   
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Shogun on January 14, 2018, 02:48:24 AM
I am amazed at how much magical thinking now exists for Unsworth, in revisionist memory. Maybe they should go back and read the actual posts on this site for most of his time as caretaker. I think we would be certain relegation if he stayed on til the end of the season.

Not reall revisionist but the way things have gone, we may as well have waited to see if he could build on that win over West Ham.

It's weird that we were shite in possession under both managers but one couldn't keep the goals out and the other can't find them!
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Bluedylan on January 14, 2018, 02:51:27 AM
Lads, he's always been shit, playing garbage, lowest common denominator football. If you thought or expected otherwise, more fool you.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: everton1952 on January 14, 2018, 02:53:42 AM
Not reall revisionist but the way things have gone, we may as well have waited to see if he could build on that win over West Ham.

It's weird that we were shite in possession under both managers but one couldn't keep the goals out and the other can't find them!
Yes we may as well have kept Mr Phenomenal, or Koeman or Unsie. who knows what might have happened? One can guess of course.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Ridge on January 14, 2018, 02:56:53 AM
Unsworth inherited a team in rebellion that couldn't defend or attack. I suspect he's going to again in the near future.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Bluedylan on January 14, 2018, 03:00:19 AM
Yes we may as well have kept Mr Phenomenal, or Koeman or Unsie. who knows what might have happened? One can guess of course.

Mate, if you came home and found Allardyce in bed with your Mrs, you'd still find a way to excuse it. It does you no good to get entrenched in a viewpoint and blindly stick to it, regardless of all evidence. Acknowledge that he shouldn't be anywhere near this football club, and liberate yourself. You'll feel better for it.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Simon Paul on January 14, 2018, 03:05:39 AM
Lads, he's always been shit, playing garbage, lowest common denominator football. If you thought or expected otherwise, more fool you.

It's taken a while but some people are getting it aren't they?

I'd be fuming if I'd expected different from him. Not fuming at him mind. Fuming at myself.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Polledreng on January 14, 2018, 03:09:32 AM
Put it another way. Is it your choice to pay over 500 quid for a minimal relationship/input into your club, be treated like a customer, charged more and more each year for average performances in the league and completely inept running of the club watching 45m players who cant be bothered let alone kick a ball properly? Then a club moves onto a stadium which is a souless bowl, in an area with literally no infrastructure, transport or pubs. Football has got far too complicated and glamorous for me, ironically thats Big Sam's best trait. But its not his fault he was appointed, its our typical EPL style blundering owner who appointed him. Will he blame that on Voodoo as well?
Have you any idea of how season tickets prices has been ?? 
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: ally2 on January 14, 2018, 03:09:53 AM
Weird how there are some people on here who are clearly not stupid yet still manage to pin our woes on Allardyce when he's been here a matter of weeks.  If you don't like this football then tough shit.  Just bugger off or something.  He's made ONE signing.  I don't think it's great either but if you feel that strongly then don't watch or go and hire a plane or go on a march.  What do you ACTUALLY want?
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Bluedylan on January 14, 2018, 03:10:20 AM
It's taken a while but some people are getting it aren't they?

I'd be fuming if I'd expected different from him. Not fuming at him mind. Fuming at myself.

A few yeah. I see the hardcore are still ploughing on blindly through the wilderness like.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: bogie on January 14, 2018, 03:11:56 AM
It's taken a while but some people are getting it aren't they?

I'd be fuming if I'd expected different from him. Not fuming at him mind. Fuming at myself.

3 managers cant get this lot to play attacking football that you would like to see but 1 got us points

you can pick any manager you like with slow half at it players like that playing and you will get the same shit spot kidding yourself Sam came here seen what crap we had got it working and got crap for it so now we are back to the 4 fucking 0 games

but your happy
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Bluedylan on January 14, 2018, 03:15:33 AM
3 managers cant get this lot to play attacking football that you would like to see but 1 got us points

you can pick any manager you like with slow half at it players like that playing and you will get the same shit spot kidding yourself Sam came here seen what crap we had got it working and got crap for it so now we are back to the 4 fucking 0 games

but your happy

That middle 'paragraph' needs to be preserved and celebrated, for it's contribution to the Surrealist movement.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 14, 2018, 03:17:33 AM
Once again the Majority Shareholder (Moshiri) is to blame for this. Aoart from all the embarrassing references to Voodoo and Jim White press releases, ver since he's been here things have been shit and hus decisions have made us far worse. He first appointed a completely overrated Koeman as manager then went one better in appointing this complete nihilist as coach. Today was utterly rudderless and devoid of passion.

Big  Sam has now lost the last 5, is shipping goals and we still cant score. I'd seriously with how shite the atmosphere is at Goodison and with all Premier League clubs divorcing themselves from fans whilst ripping them off, would rather go and watch COLFC/AFC Marine in Non League. More fun.
I'm with you pal
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Simon Paul on January 14, 2018, 03:17:46 AM
3 managers cant get this lot to play attacking football that you would like to see but 1 got us points

you can pick any manager you like with slow half at it players like that playing and you will get the same shit spot kidding yourself Sam came here seen what crap we had got it working and got crap for it so now we are back to the 4 fucking 0 games

but your happy

No shots on target

8 touches in the opposition box

You think Sam went for it today?

We played "safe" football and hoped for a draw, but just like every other manager that plays for a draw, we got beat
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 14, 2018, 03:23:30 AM
He needs to fuck the fuck off.
Coming in here like he is saving the club, I've never ever seen worse football than what we are tossing out now and he actually has quality players

If your still Allardyce pro then good luck, he will prob take us down. It would be the ultimate Everton thing to do
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Heisenberg on January 14, 2018, 03:29:31 AM
https://twitter.com/danielstorey85/status/952267708120395777



"its the players fault"
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Juanito on January 14, 2018, 03:59:19 AM
https://twitter.com/danielstorey85/status/952267708120395777



"its the players fault"


Now this is what people like the Ďreal Duncí need to see.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Risky on January 14, 2018, 04:10:26 AM
https://twitter.com/danielstorey85/status/952267708120395777



"its the players fault"

This is where the bollocks about how Koeman and Unsworth also struggling with this squad falls apart.

Both of those were not up to the job (in the end in Koeman's case), but we've fucked up massively with who we've replaced them with.  It was an opportunity to bring in a good, progressive manager who could find a way to make our not untalented squad work and play better football, but instead we bought someone in who had a proven track record of shit football.  Instead we've now regressed to getting battered whilst being even more impotent.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Thomas on January 14, 2018, 04:14:33 AM
No chance heís being allowed to keep hiring his own staff and buying his own targets just for the last 16 matches this season.

This. Its been obvious from the word go.

Like I said the majority shareholder flatters to decieve. Talks the big talk about spending and grandiose ideas but sells our best players and appoints mediocre managers.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: bogie on January 14, 2018, 04:14:47 AM
No shots on target

8 touches in the opposition box

You think Sam went for it today?

We played "safe" football and hoped for a draw, but just like every other manager that plays for a draw, we got beat

I don't think he WENT for it no but we sure as hell were not all about defending tonight like you trying to say were are under Sam

safe football no cover for the fullbacks like in the last few weeks
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Simon Paul on January 14, 2018, 04:23:03 AM
I don't think he WENT for it no but we sure as hell were not all about defending tonight like you trying to say were are under Sam

safe football no cover for the fullbacks like in the last few weeks

No shots on target

8 touches in the opposition box
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: bogie on January 14, 2018, 04:23:35 AM
He needs to fuck the fuck off.
Coming in here like he is saving the club, I've never ever seen worse football than what we are tossing out now and he actually has quality players

If your still Allardyce pro then good luck, he will prob take us down. It would be the ultimate Everton thing to do

name them quality players I would love to see what you class as a quality player

not an Allardyce pro man just seeing the shit we have in that team and see that's we will get fucking hammered every week trying to play football in a way that we cant and this changing the way we play or the way you want the manager to play every week is never going to work

the "football" was out of the world before he got here it must be Sam,s fault the same pack of players are playing so bad




Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: bogie on January 14, 2018, 04:26:47 AM
That middle 'paragraph' needs to be preserved and celebrated, for it's contribution to the Surrealist movement.

you wife know what you do with that tongue
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: TheRam on January 14, 2018, 04:27:55 AM
Said when he come in he'd be gone by March and Unsworth will be back in on another salvage job and I'm standing by that.

He's completely ruined us going forward to the point where if we concede one goal we're already out the game.

This is a disaster and I just hope we have the foresight to have him on borrowed time.

The reset button needs to be pressed and a whole new structure brought in
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: bogie on January 14, 2018, 04:34:32 AM
No shots on target

8 touches in the opposition box

£45m waste of fucking time (will get loads of assists in a better team like everton )
£30m waste of fucking time (and my 9 year old kills himself watching him with the ball)
get your poll going now see if we should be signing them

buy shit players get shit football it's not rocket science is it
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: bogie on January 14, 2018, 04:38:23 AM
Said when he come in he'd be gone by March and Unsworth will be back in on another salvage job and I'm standing by that.

He's completely ruined us going forward to the point where if we concede one goal we're already out the game.

This is a disaster and I just hope we have the foresight to have him on borrowed time.

The reset button needs to be pressed and a whole new structure brought in

right go ahead tell us all what manager you think would have come in and got all are star players playing football
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: TheRam on January 14, 2018, 04:40:17 AM
right go ahead tell us all what manager you think would have come in and got all are star players playing football

Why do I have to name a manager?

I know for an absolute fact there was a manager out there that would've got this team at least having a few shots at goal.

Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: bogie on January 14, 2018, 04:45:20 AM
Why do I have to name a manager?

I know for an absolute fact there was a manager out there that would've got this team at least having a few shots at goal.



got it your just a hater going to hate
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: bogie on January 14, 2018, 04:47:52 AM
what if he got his name changed so all the I just hate sam allardyce crap would go away
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Silas on January 14, 2018, 04:47:55 AM
He's fulfilled exactly the expectations of his career so far and that's just sad really. Defensively minded but ultimately unsuccessful football is not going to take us forward
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: ally2 on January 14, 2018, 04:53:14 AM
He's fulfilled exactly the expectations of his career so far and that's just sad really. Defensively minded but ultimately unsuccessful football is not going to take us forward

How can you and others trot out this utter nonsense?  You or anyone else cannot judge him so far when he's been here one month, inherited a bizarre squad performing badly, and made one signing!  If you didn't like him before then that's fair enough but his managership so far here cannot be assessed yet. Clearly.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Thomas on January 14, 2018, 05:12:26 AM
He needs to fuck the fuck off.
Coming in here like he is saving the club, I've never ever seen worse football than what we are tossing out now and he actually has quality players

If your still Allardyce pro then good luck, he will prob take us down. It would be the ultimate Everton thing to do

He must delight some of the lot who alienated Barkley from the club, lauded mediocre headless chickens who cant even get in Norwich team, preferred selling Stones for 'defenders who can defend' (Stones is now winning the league) and seemed satisfied that Moshiri made the right choice as we'd be 'hard to beat'.

THEY are PARTIALLY some of the reason how we got to where we are now. They are complete fucking philistines. They also often think like business people, not supporters, which is probably why they pay 500 quid a year to watch a team head nowhere fast.

But please dont forget, Moshiri appointed him and is about as good at running a football club as a fly tipper is at running a scrap metal yard.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Ross on January 14, 2018, 05:13:45 AM
This. Its been obvious from the word go.

Like I said the majority shareholder flatters to decieve. Talks the big talk about spending and grandiose ideas but sells our best players and appoints mediocre managers.

Shocking really, considering people were furious with a team full of young inexperienced but hugely talented kids that were the envy of most clubs and weíve come to this under his ownership in 18 months.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Thomas on January 14, 2018, 05:13:46 AM
How can you and others trot out this utter nonsense?  You or anyone else cannot judge him so far when he's been here one month, inherited a bizarre squad performing badly, and made one signing!  If you didn't like him before then that's fair enough but his managership so far here cannot be assessed yet. Clearly.

He has lost 5 games on the spin, we are out of the cup, cannot keep goals out, put goals in, cannot even keep the ball, and he is buying A WINGER over a Left Back and plays THREE DMs vs Bournemouth and a back 5 vs WBA yet goes for it against top sides.

You where saying?
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Thomas on January 14, 2018, 05:17:26 AM
Said when he come in he'd be gone by March and Unsworth will be back in on another salvage job and I'm standing by that.

He's completely ruined us going forward to the point where if we concede one goal we're already out the game.

This is a disaster and I just hope we have the foresight to have him on borrowed time.

The reset button needs to be pressed and a whole new structure brought in

The reset button includes ditching the idiot who appointed him and Koeman, chats shite to Jim White, our shareholders at the AGM and about Lukaku (Voodoo) and stadiums with no infrastructure/transport links that then go 200m over budget and which the council own in the majority. He also uses ALLEGEDLY USM/Usmanov as a front, sells our BEST players, NEVER has a big NET spend yet our fans walk around lauding him for his 'business sense' and 'ambition' like the gullible soul they can be.

If this carries on all this disharmony, poor planning and lack of cohesion between the playing staff we'll go down within 2 years. We'll be like QPR. Rich but shit. Moshiri just seems like the previous yanks the kopites had.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Thomas on January 14, 2018, 05:19:28 AM
right go ahead tell us all what manager you think would have come in and got all are star players playing football

As a complete straw man argument

Claudio Ranieri.

The problem is we made the mistake of going for a defensive manager rather than someone who plays 442 on the counter attack. Even bumbling Moshiri knew this which is why he mentioned (no further than that) Diego Simeone.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Goaljira on January 14, 2018, 05:22:58 AM
He'd best not even consider selling Tom Davies.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Simon Paul on January 14, 2018, 05:23:46 AM
The argument seems to be that he is all we should expect because we are Everton and anyone who wants more can fuck off

Have I got that right?
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Thomas on January 14, 2018, 05:27:22 AM
He'd best not even consider selling Tom Davies.

Why? He is totally over rated and the only reason fans like him is

1. He scored vs Man City

2. He's scouse

3. He runs around with a 70s hair cut

4. He doesn't wear shinnies or high socks

Explain to me how he would get in any top 6 side?
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Bob Sacamano on January 14, 2018, 05:32:56 AM
Said when he come in he'd be gone by March and Unsworth will be back in on another salvage job and I'm standing by that.

He's completely ruined us going forward to the point where if we concede one goal we're already out the game.

This is a disaster and I just hope we have the foresight to have him on borrowed time.

The reset button needs to be pressed and a whole new structure brought in

I think March is too soon, but heíll be chased out of here faster than he was at Newcastle.

It was a stupid appointment, apart from a couple on here I didnít meet a real life blue that wanted him. There was never a hope in hell that a guy like him would be a success at a club like Everton.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Goaljira on January 14, 2018, 05:35:43 AM
Why? He is totally over rated and the only reason fans like him is

1. He scored vs Man City

2. He's scouse

3. He runs around with a 70s hair cut

4. He doesn't wear shinnies or high socks

Explain to me how he would get in any top 6 side?

He's 19.  He doesnt have to be a world beater right now.  That doesnt mean you sell him.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Bob Sacamano on January 14, 2018, 05:36:10 AM
Here we go
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: kramer0 on January 14, 2018, 05:37:49 AM
Why? He is totally over rated and the only reason fans like him is

1. He scored vs Man City

2. He's scouse

3. He runs around with a 70s hair cut

4. He doesn't wear shinnies or high socks

Explain to me how he would get in any top 6 side?

He tries to pass forward and has a nice weight of pass in the final third.

He can dribble and has a knack for winning fouls.

He helps drive us forward when heís on the pitch.

He has a snide, competitive edge to his game, which is an attitude we sorely lack.

Oh, and heís only 19.

Yeah, he has some rough edges, but if weíre giving up on players from our own academy whoíve been on the pitch  with the first team and looked like theyíve belonged then I fucking quit.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Thomas on January 14, 2018, 05:38:52 AM
He's 19.  He doesnt have to be a world beater right now.  That doesnt mean you sell him.

So why do we let people from the youth team go at that age?
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: ally2 on January 14, 2018, 05:38:55 AM
Why? He is totally over rated and the only reason fans like him is

1. He scored vs Man City

2. He's scouse

3. He runs around with a 70s hair cut

4. He doesn't wear shinnies or high socks

Explain to me how he would get in any top 6 side?

Ouch!

Think that'll go down worse than an Allardyce supporter on here
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Thomas on January 14, 2018, 05:39:32 AM
He tries to pass forward and has a nice weight of pass in the final third.

He can dribble and has a knack for winning fouls.

He helps drive us forward when heís on the pitch.

He has a snide, competitive edge to his game, which is an attitude we sorely lack.

Oh, and heís only 19.

Yeah, he has some rough edges, but if weíre giving up on players from our own academy whoíve been on the pitch  with the first team and looked like theyíve belonged then I fucking quit.

Is he even better than Loftus Cheek?
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Goaljira on January 14, 2018, 05:40:40 AM
So why do we let people from the youth team go at that age?

Because you can't keep everyone.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Thomas on January 14, 2018, 05:42:41 AM
Because you can't keep everyone.

Also because they are deemed not good enough.

Its like comparing DCL to Rashford. One is not a top 6 player the other is. I like DCL but he is no Rashford or Lindgard.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Goaljira on January 14, 2018, 05:43:39 AM
Also because they are deemed not good enough.

Its like comparing DCL to Rashford. One is not a top 6 player the other is. I like DCL but he is no Rashford or Lindgard.

And?
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Goaljira on January 14, 2018, 05:44:05 AM
Is he even better than Loftus Cheek?

Does he play for us?
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Thomas on January 14, 2018, 05:44:37 AM
And?

None of our fans look at our players and go 'would they get in the top 6 teams'

If they cant we move them on as otherwise we perpetually play second rate players.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Thomas on January 14, 2018, 05:45:22 AM
Does he play for us?

No but my half joking point proves that a man who cant get into Chelsea's team playing in a similar position as Davies for Palace is better than him.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Goaljira on January 14, 2018, 05:46:34 AM
None of our fans look at our players and go 'would they get in the top 6 teams'

If they cant we move them on as otherwise we perpetually play second rate players.

We can't replace 25 players at once.  You start off getting rid of the absolute dross first, not the youngster with potential to get better.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Goaljira on January 14, 2018, 05:50:05 AM
No but my half joking point proves that a man who cant get into Chelsea's team playing in a similar position as Davies for Palace is better than him.

He's not as good as Chelsea's other options in midfield, so to let him develop theyve sent him out on loan.  Tom Davies shouldnt be near our first team at this stage in his development, but a lack of options and quality mean he's already played a lot of games for us.  Ideally we'd have Chelsea's midfield and be able to send Davies out on loan.  Thats not the same as selling him.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: brap2 on January 14, 2018, 05:58:31 AM

If he isn't, he will milk everton of millions.
The fact he agreed to an 18  month deal in the 1st place tells you his contract is 'claused' to death.
I like the fact we have money at the club, but I hate the road we are heading down.
There is so many people around the club that just shouldn't be anywhere near it.

Sounds about right for Big Sam
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: bogie on January 14, 2018, 06:42:40 AM
As a complete straw man argument

Claudio Ranieri.

The problem is we made the mistake of going for a defensive manager rather than someone who plays 442 on the counter attack. Even bumbling Moshiri knew this which is why he mentioned (no further than that) Diego Simeone.

he came into a team that was playing well and had 2 windows 2 work in and a lot of the right tools already in the box
this is a team that was playing the biggest load of shit I have ever seen and 1 window not even over yet
how shit we were in pre season  should have had bells going of for everyone at the club and not this crap everton tv spat out its only pre season and that pub team are a week ahead of us in training crap (but if they did they would not be there the week after )
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: TheRam on January 14, 2018, 06:47:58 AM
Tom Davies is the man and will go on to be a great player.

Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: bogie on January 14, 2018, 06:52:30 AM
Tom Davies is the man and will go on to be a great player.



go on to be a good player yes sadly he lacks what all great players need now days pace
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: ally2 on January 14, 2018, 07:05:07 AM
I don't think lack of pace is too critical. I'm a bit confused what he is though. Not really an attacking midfielder or a defending one. Doesn't really score much. Basically he does most things quite well but not exceptionally. He might be one of those players who just works so hard to improve on his game to make sure he makes it. Struggling to think of examples and an sure to get pelters but maybe like Gordon Strachan, Dennis Wise, Jimmy Bullard (but better) or Joey Barton of some years back.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Mayor Farnum on January 14, 2018, 07:20:08 AM
I don't think lack of pace is too critical. I'm a bit confused what he is though. Not really an attacking midfielder or a defending one. Doesn't really score much. Basically he does most things quite well but not exceptionally. He might be one of those players who just works so hard to improve on his game to make sure he makes it. Struggling to think of examples and an sure to get pelters but maybe like Gordon Strachan, Dennis Wise, Jimmy Bullard (but better) or Joey Barton of some years back.

You've just described John Ebrell.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: TheRam on January 14, 2018, 08:33:22 AM
go on to be a good player yes sadly he lacks what all great players need now days pace

He's a centre mid. He doesn't need pace to be a great player.

Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Confucius on January 14, 2018, 01:53:01 PM
Sam is a fraud.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: therealdunc on January 14, 2018, 02:05:02 PM
Fraud is not sam
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Mayor Farnum on January 14, 2018, 02:57:25 PM
Sam is a fraud.
What has he said to justify you calling him that?
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Bob Sacamano on January 14, 2018, 03:06:23 PM
Get rid heís fucking shite.

For the past two decades heís been nothing but shite and managed relegation fodder. If thatís the level we aspire to be then fine, keep him. If we plan on being anything more than that he needs to be shown the door ASAP.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Ramjam on January 14, 2018, 03:10:59 PM
Get rid he's fucking shite.

For the past two decades he's been nothing but shite and managed relegation fodder. If that's the level we aspire to be then fine, keep him. If we plan on being anything more than that he needs to be shown the door ASAP.

End of season heís gone regardless of what happens between now and then
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Thomas on January 14, 2018, 03:15:51 PM
End of season heís gone regardless of what happens between now and then

That would mean Moshiri admitting he's made a mistake twice in a season. Not happening. Nor paying off SA and his staff at great expense.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Ramjam on January 14, 2018, 03:22:29 PM
That would mean Moshiri admitting he's made a mistake twice in a season. Not happening. Nor paying off SA and his staff at great expense.

Heís a big man, he can surely acknowledge that heís made two massive fuck up in one season, we know it, the players know it, the media know so I presume he also knows it
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Confucius on January 14, 2018, 03:25:34 PM
What has he said to justify you calling him that?


Full of bluster and loves to talk about how good he is but has never had the opportunities. He is total shit with no plan to score goals or attack and he is ripping us off with the salary he is getting.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: bogie on January 14, 2018, 03:35:28 PM
He's a centre mid. He doesn't need pace to be a great player.



but he will need time and this league is getting faster every year
if barry had more legs he would still be here (and we are lacking that player in there that can turn defence into attack with one pass)
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: GLewis on January 14, 2018, 03:36:55 PM
He needs to fill out a bit.

But as long as youíre not horrendously slow he can work on energy, stamina etc.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: bogie on January 14, 2018, 03:38:00 PM
Said when he come in he'd be gone by March and Unsworth will be back in on another salvage job and I'm standing by that.

He's completely ruined us going forward to the point where if we concede one goal we're already out the game.

This is a disaster and I just hope we have the foresight to have him on borrowed time.

The reset button needs to be pressed and a whole new structure brought in

goldfish some in here
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: GLewis on January 14, 2018, 04:05:47 PM
Another thing is, wasnít it mentioned that this was the first time that heíd had a decent start when heís gone somewhere mid season?

Previous times thereís been little improvement straight away.

Probable that weíve seen that here except that we had a new manager bounce and a good run of form from Rooney at the same time. Now drifted back to how it was in his first games at Síland and Palace.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on January 14, 2018, 04:38:48 PM
If weíd hired Silva, this thread would be about how shit he is. If weíd hired Fonseca, this thread would be about how shit he is - just like Koeman and Unsworth before them.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: bogie on January 14, 2018, 04:45:41 PM
If we’d hired Silva, this thread would be about how shit he is. If we’d hired Fonseca, this thread would be about how shit he is - just like Koeman and Unsworth before them.

if we had hired Silva we would be fucked
Fonseca hmm that's a hole new ball game (but we would need time for him to sort this lot out)
Title: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Dr. Sponge on January 14, 2018, 04:47:12 PM
We tried to have a go at Liverpool and we played quite well, only conceding through a penalty and a mistake.

He's set us up to do the same here but they are far better than us in every single position, so it's gone horribly wrong. He's got the Bournemouth tactics and the Spurs tactics the wrong way around.

But there's still a lot of weak areas in the team that need addressing before we can give teams like this a real game. Spurs' first two goals came from our fullback areas, and our heads were gone after that.

We are weak at RB, LB, striker's first game and DM lacks quality. Plus our two best players play in the same position.

Bolasie at the time I thought was a terrible buy, and I thought he was playing very frustratingly before his injury.

We look a millions miles away from the top 6 all over the pitch, so I wouldn't look too much into the result against Spurs and United. It was the Bournemouth result that annoyed me the most.

In my opinion, we're 2 players away from having a decent team, providing Tosun does the business and Coleman comes back the same player - A left back and a DM that can play.

I don't think the progressive manager (whoever that is), that some people wanted, would have faired differently against the shite, Spurs, United and Chelsea with this squad. Maybe we'll get that kind of manager in the summer, but the blame for the mess that is the 2017/18 season falls squarely at the feet of Walsh and Koeman. Completely neglected the areas that we needed strengthening and we've never recovered.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Lxxx on January 14, 2018, 05:54:34 PM
Said when he come in he'd be gone by March and Unsworth will be back in on another salvage job and I'm standing by that.

He's completely ruined us going forward to the point where if we concede one goal we're already out the game.

This is a disaster and I just hope we have the foresight to have him on borrowed time.

The reset button needs to be pressed and a whole new structure brought in

The issue is that the problem is also the solution. The man sat at the top doing his best Tony Fernandes impression, minus the baseball cap.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Rodenplav64 on January 14, 2018, 06:00:55 PM
The issue is that the problem is also the solution. The man sat at the top doing his best Tony Fernandes impression, minus the baseball cap.

Couldn't agree more if you mean Moshiri is completely fucking clueless . He has got everything wrong since the day he arrived at the club . If he doesn't get it right soon then that stadium and its cost will be an Albatross round the neck of this club . Allardyce couldn't grow a cabbage never mind a football team .
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Rodenplav64 on January 14, 2018, 06:49:52 PM
What has he said to justify you calling him that?

Thinking he knows how to coach a football team is enough for me .
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: gizzblue on January 14, 2018, 08:15:18 PM
Thinking he knows how to coach a football team is enough for me .
Lost me when he started blaming players .

A bad workmen blamed his tools  an all that .
Real quality managers protect the team not criticise it publicly .
Alex Ferguson was brilliant at deflecting shite from his team then thrashing them soundly behind closed doors  .
Bobby Robson was the same ,Pep is the same all the good quality ones are the best man managers .

Sam falls way short in this and so many areas .imho.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on January 14, 2018, 08:29:45 PM
Lost me when he started blaming players .

A bad workmen blamed his tools  an all that .
Real quality managers protect the team not criticise it publicly .
Alex Ferguson was brilliant at deflecting shite from his team then thrashing them soundly behind closed doors  .
Bobby Robson was the same ,Pep is the same all the good quality ones are the best man managers .

Sam falls way short in this and so many areas .imho.
Would Pepís man management make Martina a better player with a wand of a left foot? Sorry for being facetious but I donít think Pep has the same problems as Sam.

I think there is far too much emphasis placed on management, tactics, formations etc.

Itís about having quality players.

The league table nearly always runs in order of squad ability. Nearly.

But itís an easier narrative to make the manager the scapegoat (and rightly so in some circumstances, thatís what they get paid for) than blame the squad. After-all, itís easier to replace one man that 25.

Those who think Sam is the issue will be in for a shock when the next guy fails and the one after him.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: brap2 on January 14, 2018, 08:30:16 PM
He's a centre mid. He doesn't need pace to be a great player.



What has he got?

Originally I would have said he seems to make good decisions in possession and make good forward passes but he hasnít turned up to a game in about a year and a half so I canít really believe it.

Just bad form I suppose, same as 99% of the squad, and young players are very susceptible to bad form like, and totally not his fault weíve had to play him as much as we have in the last 18 months, but when heís not playing well he can be really poor and itís such a shame.

Plus yeah, athletically heís awful. No pace or power at all, if someone presses him his only option is to go down.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: ally2 on January 14, 2018, 08:31:02 PM
All the top managers will turn on their team occasionally if they feel it necessary.  Ferguson did it quite a lot.  Even slagged his Aberdeen team after they won the UEFA cup or whatever it was back then.  It becomes a problem if you have to do it repeatedly.

Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: GLewis on January 14, 2018, 08:38:25 PM
What has he got?

Originally I would have said he seems to make good decisions in possession and make good forward passes but he hasnít turned up to a game in about a year and a half so I canít really believe it.

Just bad form I suppose, same as 99% of the squad, and young players are very susceptible to bad form like, and totally not his fault weíve had to play him as much as we have in the last 18 months, but when heís not playing well he can be really poor and itís such a shame.

Plus yeah, athletically heís awful. No pace or power at all, if someone presses him his only option is to go down.

Heís only been in the team 12 months!

Guess itís 3 managers in that time but it seems a bit crazy.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: gizzblue on January 14, 2018, 08:38:44 PM
Would Pep's man management make Martina a better player with a wand of a left foot? Sorry for being facetious but I don't think Pep has the same problems as Sam.

I think there is far too much emphasis placed on management, tactics, formations etc.

It's about having quality players.

The league table nearly always runs in order of squad ability. Nearly.

But it's an easier narrative to make the manager the scapegoat (and rightly so in some circumstances, that's what they get paid for) than blame the squad. After-all, it's easier to replace one man that 25.

Those who think Sam is the issue will be in for a shock when the next guy fails and the one after him.
If you or Sam think Martina is the issue ....Holgate and Kenny on the flanks then no?.
His lack of nouse is the telling factor though no ??,..  attacking Spurs and holding off against Wba and Bournmouth really doesn't show quality and or fill any fan with confidence. .. (aside therealdunc obvs)

So you believe Pep would make the same fuck ups with our squad imho nope ..he would at least go get a left back..

My nine year old grandson has more nouse than to attack a free scoring side with the leading scorer in the league and sit back against weaker opposition than them...and he's still playing five a side 😅😅
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Faceatthefence on January 14, 2018, 08:42:35 PM
All the top managers will turn on their team occasionally if they feel it necessary.  Ferguson did it quite a lot.  Even slagged his Aberdeen team after they won the UEFA cup or whatever it was back then.  It becomes a problem if you have to do it repeatedly.

You,ll find that SA has history in various clubs for his team dissecting when his methods have failed,im all for constructive criticism and considering the pile of sawdust and splinters he,s inherited we really cant expect him to create a test bat.That said he,s certainly not blameless in recent performances i think the transition from all out defending to getting across the half way line is his Achilles.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: gizzblue on January 14, 2018, 08:47:11 PM

It must come with age then ....perhaps Sam will be more player protective when he's 85 .👍
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: brap2 on January 14, 2018, 08:47:57 PM
Heís only been in the team 12 months!

Guess itís 3 managers in that time but it seems a bit crazy.

Fuck me really? I suppose he only got in the side half a season in and weíre half a season in now.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Lxxx on January 14, 2018, 09:52:17 PM
I suppose the bigger picture in football these days is how do you motivate a group of millionaire sportsmen. This is the fourth manager that this group of players have look disinterested for and folded on a regular basis. Looking across the league managers are getting the boot after less and less time as players grow tired of the same voice in charge it seems.

Pochettino seems to take the approach that younger players are hungrier and easier to motivate so he'll put his faith in them, knowing they're probably ultimately playing for a move to a bigger club for more money but he accepts that and rebuilds each time. He also bases his team approach around the superior fitness younger players have so he'll have them pressing across the park, passing and moving and bombing up and down the flanks. Not too dissimilar to Pep. We seem to have gone totally the other way with a group of slow players who fold like a pack of cards.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Bluedylan on January 14, 2018, 10:05:26 PM
Would Pepís man management make Martina a better player with a wand of a left foot? Sorry for being facetious but I donít think Pep has the same problems as Sam.

I think there is far too much emphasis placed on management, tactics, formations etc.

Itís about having quality players.

The league table nearly always runs in order of squad ability. Nearly.

But itís an easier narrative to make the manager the scapegoat (and rightly so in some circumstances, thatís what they get paid for) than blame the squad. After-all, itís easier to replace one man that 25.

Those who think Sam is the issue will be in for a shock when the next guy fails and the one after him.

Why hasn't Allardyce, the manager, bought a left back in the last two weeks?
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Mayor Farnum on January 14, 2018, 10:06:47 PM
Lost me when he started blaming players .

A bad workmen blamed his tools  an all that .
Real quality managers protect the team not criticise it publicly .
Alex Ferguson was brilliant at deflecting shite from his team then thrashing them soundly behind closed doors  .
Bobby Robson was the same ,Pep is the same all the good quality ones are the best man managers .

Sam falls way short in this and so many areas .imho.

Ferguson had the best players and the best squad. There was absolutely nothing to gain for his players by pissing about. They would be replaced by another international and could miss out on some very big matches and titles. Ferguson was not afraid to get rid of players he felt were not pulling their weight, Stam, Ince, Kanchelskis and Parker spring to mind. Sam simply does not have that luxury with the shit squad he inherited.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on January 14, 2018, 10:41:31 PM
Why hasn't Allardyce, the manager, bought a left back in the last two weeks?
Is that a joke?
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Bluedylan on January 14, 2018, 10:45:40 PM
Is that a joke?


Why would it be? It's commonly known that we have one capable left back at the club. Allardyce came in a good few weeks ago, before the window opened.

You're saying he isn't a miracle worker, so how can he do anything with Cuco Martina, which is a fair point. So why hasn't it been identified and addressed by this incredible, ground breaking leader of men?
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: gizzblue on January 14, 2018, 11:04:41 PM

Why would it be? It's commonly known that we have one capable left back at the club. Allardyce came in a good few weeks ago, before the window opened.

You're saying he isn't a miracle worker, so how can he do anything with Cuco Martina, which is a fair point. So why hasn't it been identified and addressed by this incredible, ground breaking leader of men?
That wouldn't be scientificly sports oriented to just buy what you need he's the top man two decades ago in that field...don't you know.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: mikey_blue on January 14, 2018, 11:14:43 PM
No but my half joking point proves that a man who cant get into Chelsea's team playing in a similar position as Davies for Palace is better than him.

He is 2/3 years older than Tom Davies. 2.5 years is a huge amount of time when it comes to development.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on January 14, 2018, 11:19:35 PM

Why would it be? It's commonly known that we have one capable left back at the club. Allardyce came in a good few weeks ago, before the window opened.

You're saying he isn't a miracle worker, so how can he do anything with Cuco Martina, which is a fair point. So why hasn't it been identified and addressed by this incredible, ground breaking leader of men?
If you honestly believe we havenít signed a LB because SA thinks we donít need one (and it has nothing to do with the ineptitude of our DoF/board) then your anti-Allarydce appropriate lack of respect  has clouded your ability to reason.

Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Bob Sacamano on January 14, 2018, 11:43:16 PM
He is 2/3 years older than Tom Davies. 2.5 years is a huge amount of time when it comes to development.

Yeah but wait until you hear about Marc Albrighton
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Thomas on January 14, 2018, 11:43:37 PM

Why would it be? It's commonly known that we have one capable left back at the club. Allardyce came in a good few weeks ago, before the window opened.

You're saying he isn't a miracle worker, so how can he do anything with Cuco Martina, which is a fair point. So why hasn't it been identified and addressed by this incredible, ground breaking leader of men?
They have what they want lad. Where back to plucky, hard working and basic Everton again. Big Sam is everything tbey dreamed of, so much so they cannot see beyond him. Its pointless trying to get them to see otherwise
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Thomas on January 15, 2018, 12:09:27 AM
He tries to pass forward and has a nice weight of pass in the final third.

He can dribble and has a knack for winning fouls.

He helps drive us forward when he's on the pitch.

He has a snide, competitive edge to his game, which is an attitude we sorely lack.

Oh, and he's only 19.

Yeah, he has some rough edges, but if we're giving up on players from our own academy who've been on the pitch  with the first team and looked like they've belonged then I fucking quit.
Ross Barkley had all that and more and is now playing for the reigning champions, yet a lot of our fans gave him a really hard time yet have a complete love in with Tom Davies. Why?
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: everton1952 on January 15, 2018, 12:24:55 AM
Don't know anyone who loves Tom, or even wants him in our team. We have enough half polished gems as it is without adding him to the list. As for Barkley I didn't know he is playing for the Champions.  He has not reached their bench yet, and for all we know may never get into the first team. I heard a rumour that he might go on loan to Bournemouth, if he ever gets fit that is.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: TheTone on January 15, 2018, 12:31:08 AM
I'm willing to give him the summer transfer window

If it's still the same shite after that then I will want him gone

What a mess of a season
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: TheRam on January 15, 2018, 12:40:19 AM
Sick of seeing the words 'anti Sam appropriate lack of respect '

Some of you really need to get a grip
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: UnsyisaRhino on January 15, 2018, 12:46:24 AM
Sick of seeing the words 'anti Sam appropriate lack of respect '

Some of you really need to get a grip

Think there are people guilty of that kinda shit on both sides of the argument. There doesnt seem to be much room for a more moderate opinion on here at times.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: everton1952 on January 15, 2018, 12:46:45 AM
'anti Sam appropriate lack of respect ' couldn't help typing that, sorry. Adds a bit of lightness to the discussion. I like Sam but you already know that. Ask me again in May and I might give a different answer. 
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: brap2 on January 15, 2018, 12:59:00 AM
He tries to pass forward and has a nice weight of pass in the final third.

He can dribble and has a knack for winning fouls.

He helps drive us forward when heís on the pitch.

He has a snide, competitive edge to his game, which is an attitude we sorely lack.

Oh, and heís only 19.

Yeah, he has some rough edges, but if weíre giving up on players from our own academy whoíve been on the pitch  with the first team and looked like theyíve belonged then I fucking quit.

Dunno about dribbling, could maybe learn to be press resistant in tight areas but canít really take a man on, once youíre on the other side you need another gear to pull away or upper body strength and he hasnít got either.

I do really like him I just always thought Barkley was obviously the bigger talent and there seemed to be an odd disparity between how they were perceived and treated.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on January 15, 2018, 02:05:07 AM
Dunno about dribbling, could maybe learn to be press resistant in tight areas but can't really take a man on, once you're on the other side you need another gear to pull away or upper body strength and he hasn't got either.

I do really like him I just always thought Barkley was obviously the bigger talent and there seemed to be an odd disparity between how they were perceived and treated.
And Iíd disagree about weight of pass. He gives the ball away far too often; and not just when attempting a difficult pass, he just under-hits the ball. You see a lot of young players do it and itís because the pace of the game is so much quicker, going from U23 to 1st team. A pass that would complete to a teammate gets intercepted in senior football. The strange thing is, he didnít do it nearly as much last season.

But yeah, agree with the rest.

He is young but the first team at Everton Football Club shouldnít be a crŤche. I love seeing young players come through the ranks but they should only play when theyíre ready. Fans canít moan about us being shite but then defend young players to the hilt, that are, in part, responsible for us being shite.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: GLewis on January 15, 2018, 02:34:49 AM
Dunno about dribbling, could maybe learn to be press resistant in tight areas but canít really take a man on, once youíre on the other side you need another gear to pull away or upper body strength and he hasnít got either.

I do really like him I just always thought Barkley was obviously the bigger talent and there seemed to be an odd disparity between how they were perceived and treated.

Treatment is / was only down to amount of time spent in the team.

Barkley could do nothing wrong when he first started then people get used to the good bits and more fed up with the bad.

Davies gets plenty of stick now for example.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Ridge on January 15, 2018, 07:37:42 AM
https://twitter.com/danielstorey85/status/952267708120395777



"its the players fault"

Those 3 extend back nearly 6 years, the first of which would have been Moyes in charge. So Allardyce has been here a bit over a month and has more than Martinez or Koeman did.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Confucius on January 15, 2018, 12:11:29 PM
The greatest mind in sports analytics still hasn't been able to buy a left back even as a stop gap halfway throaty a transfer window. Cutting edge is our Big Sam
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Sir Stealth on January 15, 2018, 01:24:19 PM
Ooh it's gone a bit bad after a good start hasn't it?

The problem with the style of football he has been playing is that when it's not going well it tends to be damage limitation exercises that don't offer anything.

No shots on target v Spurs sounds like we shut up shop to avoid an embarrassment, yet we still ended up being humiliated with a 4-0 drubbing

While the defence was clearly organised better in the first games of the reign, now it looks shaky again, but now with even less attacking threat.

Really there should be no reason to let him spend big money this window or have past the end of the season in charge. His job was to keep us safe from relegation, which he should still do, but that's more down to there being somehow still worse teams than us in the league

A trophy for our great football club feels even further away than ever. I realised a few months back that Koeman wasn't going to be the man for that, much earlier into Allardyces reign I've realised that about him. I hope we don't have to hound him out the way that we've done with the last 2 managers.

This appointment was made out of a perceived  necessity by the board.  I hope the next is more progressive and also not too far away
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Hawkandro on January 15, 2018, 02:17:25 PM
Whichever Sports Psychologist he brings in with him, will certainly have their work cut out with our bunch of losers.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Thomas on January 15, 2018, 03:22:07 PM
The greatest mind in sports analytics still hasn't been able to buy a left back even as a stop gap halfway throaty a transfer window. Cutting edge is our Big Sam
Good point.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Thornton_19 on January 15, 2018, 03:32:04 PM
Dunno about dribbling, could maybe learn to be press resistant in tight areas but can't really take a man on, once you're on the other side you need another gear to pull away or upper body strength and he hasn't got either.

I do really like him I just always thought Barkley was obviously the bigger talent and there seemed to be an odd disparity between how they were perceived and treated.
I feel it's really harsh to be critical of a lad who is so young playing in a struggling team that never controls the midfield.
He has only been in the first team for 11 months, he was playing very well up until the end of last season and Koeman decided to fuck him off at the start of this.

I think he will end up being a very good player for us, we just have to be patient with the lad as he becomes a more mature player.

Worst case scenario is he doesn't reach the levels we wanted him to and we move him on in 3 or 4 years. We have a good reputation of bringing kids through, if we start abandoning them all after a drop of form we will lose that reputation.

Let him play for his boyhood club, enjoy having a young Scouser in there. If it doesn't work out so be it that's football.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: dax78 on January 15, 2018, 03:58:18 PM
Anyone who cant see that this situation is solely of Koemans making is simply blind.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Lxxx on January 15, 2018, 04:03:23 PM
Anyone who cant see that this situation is solely of Koemans making is simply blind.
Even though he repeatedly asked for a striker and a left back. The two areas of our team that have been crying out for reinforcement since the first game of the season.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Jamokachi on January 15, 2018, 04:16:00 PM
Anyone who cant see that this situation is solely of Koemans making is simply blind.

lolol lolol lolol
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: brap2 on January 15, 2018, 04:50:42 PM
Anyone who cant see that this situation is solely of Koemans making is simply blind.

Could you explain for us mate
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: dax78 on January 15, 2018, 05:07:37 PM
Could you explain for us mate

1. Through pure pig headedness, refused to register a back-up left back for the season ahead
2. Purchased slow, similar style players, who all play the same position (Rooney, Klaasen, Sig)
3. Alienated Ross Barkley, argueably our most creative player.
4. Failed to sign a striker after selling Lukaku. I know, I know, the manager doesn't sign players, but he has to be involved and has to have a back-up plan if plan A fails, or takes too long, (Giroud)
5. Treated Naisse like shite
6. Failed to address our need for pace in the side
7. Created a toxic atmosphere within the club, leading to dreadful performances on the pitch, and players ultimately downing tools.
8. Did all the above, while spending the most money in the clubs history

But hey, its easier to blame big fat sam, the pint of wine drinking, bung taking, boring bastard. Who has had less than 10 games, and half a January transfer window to turn this shit around.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Rodenplav64 on January 15, 2018, 05:15:01 PM
Could you explain for us mate

Took Valencia a while to get over him and we may well be in the same boat . Valencia may well have been a basket case but that is exactly what we are becoming under Moshiri .
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: brap2 on January 15, 2018, 06:10:40 PM
Took Valencia a while to get over him and we may well be in the same boat . Valencia may well have been a basket case but that is exactly what we are becoming under Moshiri .

Donít disagree that he shat the bed, Iím just of the mind that there are deeper issues at the club.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Lxxx on January 15, 2018, 06:19:33 PM
Don’t disagree that he shat the bed, I’m just of the mind that there are deeper issues at the club.

True. A stronger Director of Football wouldn't have allowed the situation to degenerate. Les Reed at Southampton fell out with Koeman regularly but from that came a respect which allowed them to identify and sign players like Bertrand, Van Dijk, Mane and Pelle and build a pretty decent side for that level of club.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: UnsyisaRhino on January 15, 2018, 06:26:31 PM
1. Through pure pig headedness, refused to register a back-up left back for the season ahead
2. Purchased slow, similar style players, who all play the same position (Rooney, Klaasen, Sig)
3. Alienated Ross Barkley, argueably our most creative player.
4. Failed to sign a striker after selling Lukaku. I know, I know, the manager doesn't sign players, but he has to be involved and has to have a back-up plan if plan A fails, or takes too long, (Giroud)
5. Treated Naisse like shite
6. Failed to address our need for pace in the side
7. Created a toxic atmosphere within the club, leading to dreadful performances on the pitch, and players ultimately downing tools.
8. Did all the above, while spending the most money in the clubs history

But hey, its easier to blame big fat sam, the pint of wine drinking, bung taking, boring bastard. Who has had less than 10 games, and half a January transfer window to turn this shit around.

While all of this is correct, sam still has to share the responsibility of what we do on match day. He got it wrong against spurs.

Unfortunately we are so mentally weak that the result was a complete collapse.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Macca77 on January 15, 2018, 06:27:45 PM
He picks the team, he sorts that tactics, the blame lies with him.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: brap2 on January 15, 2018, 06:31:53 PM
True. A stronger Director of Football wouldn't have allowed the situation to degenerate. Les Reed at Southampton fell out with Koeman regularly but from that came a respect which allowed them to identify and sign players like Bertrand, Van Dijk, Mane and Pelle and build a pretty decent side for that level of club.

If one of the top 6 drop out will be Southampton or Leicester who are best placed to step up imo

Theyíre gash this year but a good transfer window and theyíre back in the mix.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Polledreng on January 15, 2018, 06:36:39 PM
While all of this is correct, sam still has to share the responsibility of what we do on match day. He got it wrong against spurs.

Unfortunately we are so mentally weak that the result was a complete collapse.
the lack of heart in this side is worrying. So is the I'm Rooney I'll have to speak to the ref although my captain is already talking
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on January 15, 2018, 06:37:41 PM
1. Through pure pig headedness, refused to register a back-up left back for the season ahead
2. Purchased slow, similar style players, who all play the same position (Rooney, Klaasen, Sig)
3. Alienated Ross Barkley, argueably our most creative player.
4. Failed to sign a striker after selling Lukaku. I know, I know, the manager doesn't sign players, but he has to be involved and has to have a back-up plan if plan A fails, or takes too long, (Giroud)
5. Treated Naisse like shite
6. Failed to address our need for pace in the side
7. Created a toxic atmosphere within the club, leading to dreadful performances on the pitch, and players ultimately downing tools.
8. Did all the above, while spending the most money in the clubs history

But hey, its easier to blame big fat sam, the pint of wine drinking, bung taking, boring bastard. Who has had less than 10 games, and half a January transfer window to turn this shit around.

1, 2, 4, 6 and 8 could all have been the fault of Steve Walsh.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Ridge on January 15, 2018, 07:30:09 PM
I think a lot of people struggle with blame, because we didn't have a DoF before, and the roles can be shaped in a variety of ways. Ultimately responsibility for results rested with Koeman, recruitment still lies with Walsh, but both have feet on either side. So while I did and still do blame Koeman in part for recruitment, it's Walsh's job and responsibility.

Koeman is gone and it's nothing to do with him from when he left. New managers are inheriting a squad with talented players, just no team.

We're now in a situation where Koeman is gone and Walsh is still influencing policy and direction. Walsh influenced our decision to hire the unholy trinity of Allardyce, Lee and Shakespeare and we're getting progressively worse.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: everton1952 on January 15, 2018, 07:43:40 PM
Reserve judgement until October 2018.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Rodenplav64 on January 15, 2018, 07:48:07 PM
True. A stronger Director of Football wouldn't have allowed the situation to degenerate. Les Reed at Southampton fell out with Koeman regularly but from that came a respect which allowed them to identify and sign players like Bertrand, Van Dijk, Mane and Pelle and build a pretty decent side for that level of club.

Indeed and for me it has to be Moshiri and what I assume is his and not Kenwrights DoF . I am not slamming Sam here but no one with a ounce of ambition would have appointed him . Now that we have ( and given he gets to see out his contract ) do you really want to be letting him sign players on 3 to 4 year contracts given the mess the Manager/DoF seems to have made of recruitment so far ? Again the majority on here expected the next Vardy , Kante or Mahrez to walk through the door after Walsh but a a couple of hundred million later and we will be lucky to recoup 35% of the outlay . That waste is still there though on top of the increasing cost of our Industrial Estate Stadium . For me this club is on a cliff edge of Johnson proportions on and off the pitch . Unless Jim White knows different .
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Bluedylan on January 15, 2018, 07:49:08 PM
Reserve judgement until October 2018.

Which day in October? 1st? 15th? 31st? I was thinking the 12th feels like a good date to be allowed to form an opinion. Let us know.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: therealdunc on January 15, 2018, 09:21:22 PM
Reserve judgement until October 2018.
This

6 weeks with a heavy schedule  is not long enough to judge a new manager.

People who hate what they wrongly think Big Sam represents have an appropriate lack of respect  
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Ross on January 15, 2018, 09:24:02 PM
This

6 weeks with a heavy schedule  is not long enough to judge a new manager.

People who hate what they wrongly think Big Sam represents have an appropriate lack of respect  

What does Allardyce ďrepresentĒ?
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: therealdunc on January 15, 2018, 09:25:05 PM
A 2018/19 league challenge, win a cup and back into Europe the year after
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Waltzer on January 15, 2018, 09:27:33 PM
This

6 weeks with a heavy schedule  is not long enough to judge a new manager.

People who hate what they wrongly think Big Sam represents have an appropriate lack of respect  

I was all up for giving Sam a good crack and do think he is a little underestimated, but you're on a hiding to nothing when you come out and say your game plan is to be even more negative when your team has had 1 shot on goal in 4 games.
He has a responsibility, not only to keep us in the league, but also to entertain the loyal fan base we have. I think comments like his will be the nail in his coffin as I think Moshiri wants to see the free flowing styles like City and them across the park. He'll finish the season but I think we'll go out and get someone Fonseca during the summer.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Ell Capitan on January 15, 2018, 09:27:36 PM
A 2018/19 league challenge, win a cup and back into Europe the year after

Well the third flows from the first two so I assume the only reason you mention it is because youíve already given up on Big Sam taking us to the giddy heights of 7th this season...
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Ross on January 15, 2018, 09:27:37 PM
Should have known better I suppose.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: therealdunc on January 15, 2018, 09:28:57 PM
I was all up for giving Sam a good crack and do think he is a little underestimated, but you're on a hiding to nothing when you come out and say your game plan is to be even more negative when your team has had 1 shot on goal in 4 games.
He has a responsibility, not only to keep us in the league, but also to entertain the loyal fan base we have. I think comments like his will be the nail in his coffin as I think Moshiri wants to see the free flowing styles like City and them across the park. He'll finish the season but I think we'll go out and get someone Fonseca during the summer.

Please post a link to when sam said more negative?

Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Waltzer on January 15, 2018, 09:33:57 PM
Please post a link to when sam said more negative?



So we were adventurous against Spurs and Liverpool with 1 shot in 180 minutes!!?

"I was going to shore it up like Moyesy [West Ham manager David Moyes] did because I watched the game [the 1-1 draw at Wembley] and thought what a great job they had done on Tottenham defensively.

"But then again I reverted back to our Liverpool performance... If you can play like that at Liverpool and just at the death get beat, surely you can come here to Tottenham and deliver the same performance and maybe get a result.

"Maybe I have a bit of responsibility by playing too much attacking-minded players and not as many defending-minded players. I should have got back to being a bit more boring and a bit less adventurous."
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: UnsyisaRhino on January 15, 2018, 09:41:17 PM
We were more adventurous, it just didnt work.

Bolasie had one of those games, rooney did well but not in dangerous areas and our final delivery was poor from both full backs and wingers.

As a team we had probably 5 or 6 good oppprtunities (which isnt good enough) to hurt them...without making it count.

We almost got caught in two minds and werent attacking enough to really put them under pressure or defensive enough to keep them out.

I dont think we have the ability, pace or energy levela to play the way we tried to play.

A performance similar to the Chelsea one qould have been more effective if awful to watch.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: everton1952 on January 15, 2018, 11:08:36 PM
Is Fronseca a magician or a football manager? Just asking.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Heisenberg on January 15, 2018, 11:27:01 PM
I cant believe we're still trying to shoehorn number 10's in at left wing about 7 years after letting Pienaar go to Spurs. How has nobody noticed this is an issue. Doesn't take a sports scientist to notice the inbalance. Also on the sports science stuff. A good student of the statistics wouldn't combat the 0 shots on target with "we need to play more boring". Allardyce is a bigger bullshitter than Martinez
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: brap2 on January 15, 2018, 11:42:28 PM
Think he may have flapped his big chance tbh.

Imo knows it’s a short term role so he’s just fucking about and trying to manage expectations and not damage his rep.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: mikey_blue on January 15, 2018, 11:48:26 PM
Think he may have flapped his big chance tbh.

Imo knows it's a short term role so he's just fucking about and trying to manage expectations and not damage his rep.

Not convinced it was ever a real chance too he honest. When Moshiri was interviewed and he said he was brought in to steady the ship or words to that effect. It sounded to me as if it was a avoid relegation stop gap. Fully expect him to be gone in the summer. Hopefully with a replacement, like.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: gizzblue on January 15, 2018, 11:49:22 PM
Think he may have flapped his big chance tbh.

Imo knows it's a short term role so he's just fucking about and trying to manage expectations and not damage his rep.
Way too late for that .
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Shropshire Blue on January 15, 2018, 11:56:12 PM
We were more adventurous, it just didnt work.

Bolasie had one of those games, rooney did well but not in dangerous areas and our final delivery was poor from both full backs and wingers.

As a team we had probably 5 or 6 good oppprtunities (which isnt good enough) to hurt them...without making it count.

We almost got caught in two minds and werent attacking enough to really put them under pressure or defensive enough to keep them out.

I dont think we have the ability, pace or energy levela to play the way we tried to play.

A performance similar to the Chelsea one qould have been more effective if awful to watch.
I think what makes it worse for everyone is that opinions on how we should or shouldn't play, opinions on what players can and can't do at the moment through ability age or recovering from injury and the strong feelings provoked by the appointment  of Sam are all mixed up together. Someone has to sort it out and the 'back to basics' part of Sam''s interview is probably what is needed. 
For what it's worth I thought the first half at Wembley was largely 'ok', not special, but given the limitations with players at the moment plus Sam wanting to see as many of them in action as possible I've seen a lot worse. The second half was dire.
Despite unanimous agreement that up till the transfer window the weakest part of a poor team was the attack and lack of quality we should rely on it more. We did in the cup and we tried to on Saturday and we lost both. However,  if we revert back to the old adage that you build a team from the back and concentrate on not losing for a few weeks we will all be disappointed!
I still come back to what I've asked before -given the disaster that has been our on the field performances under Koeman what can one realistically expect from any new manager in 7 weeks without new blood in the team?
Sam may not be the choice of the majority but perhaps his Base of 'defend and don't lose' is exactly what we need at the moment. The medicine may taste bad but if it helps us recover then I won't complain. Longer term - well, who knows?
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 16, 2018, 02:12:06 AM
This

6 weeks with a heavy schedule  is not long enough to judge a new manager.

People who hate what they wrongly think Big Sam represents have an appropriate lack of respect
Tell me what he represents
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: blueski on January 16, 2018, 02:15:59 AM
I don't know why the negativity is so pointed at Allardyce. He is just being himself. The board knew what he was and brought him on short term to do a job which he is doing. Supporters consistently seem to not like watching Allardyce's brand of football as well.

Seems like the blame really lies with the board or individuals like Walsh who allowed us to be in a situation where Allardyce was needed/wanted.

Its like getting mad at a pig for wallowing in the mud or a fish for swimming. I do think there's room for him to be a little more positive but ultimately he's not going to play expansive pretty football.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Juanito on January 16, 2018, 02:58:36 AM
I don't know why the negativity is so pointed at Allardyce. He is just being himself. The board knew what he was and brought him on short term to do a job which he is doing. Supporters consistently seem to not like watching Allardyce's brand of football as well.

Seems like the blame really lies with the board or individuals like Walsh who allowed us to be in a situation where Allardyce was needed/wanted.

Its like getting mad at a pig for wallowing in the mud or a fish for swimming. I do think there's room for him to be a little more positive but ultimately he's not going to play expansive pretty football.








We all knew he was a stale, bland, defensive manager but he has become an even more stale, ancient, bland caricature of himself. In what world could we expect 2 shots on target in our last 4 games? Two shots on target in 360 minutes of football. Thatís with a squad containing of 100 million pound worth of attacking talent. This is a man who will blame the players in defeats and talk endlessly about his tactical genius when the team wins. Absolute c**t.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: blueski on January 16, 2018, 03:10:57 AM
We all knew he was a stale, bland, defensive manager but he has become an even more stale, ancient, bland caricature of himself. In what world could we expect 2 shots on target in our last 4 games? Two shots on target in 360 minutes of football. Thatís with a squad containing of 100 million pound worth of attacking talent. This is a man who will blame the players in defeats and talk endlessly about his tactical genius when the team wins. Absolute c**t.
Maybe one where our midfield players aren't good enough to retain the ball or complete a simple forward pass and retain possession or move off the ball properly to receive a pass?
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Juanito on January 16, 2018, 04:00:37 AM
Maybe one where our midfield players aren't good enough to retain the ball or complete a simple forward pass and retain possession or move off the ball properly to receive a pass?


They are good enough, they are not getting coached.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: sirblue57 on January 16, 2018, 04:20:40 AM
Ffs this is getting pathetic. Blame? Yeah sam should get some blame, but the main focus is on the board who fucked up time and agin, and have been for decades.
The DoF who has failed to address major issues in the squad.
The team of expensive yet GUTLESS players. Who happily pocket a fortune we can only dream.of, yet lack passion, drive or pride.
So yes ,Sam gets some blame.(and I never wanted him) because he never told the fucking Charlaton DoF to get a full back. Even if it meant hanging him out of a very high window to emphasise the point
But this is Everton, we are used to being let down and fucked about. It's how little the board thinks is us.
Fuck it.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: everton1952 on January 16, 2018, 04:50:51 AM
Some people are getting really upset. It is almost like they know what they are talking about. It's all opinion anyway, but calling people c**t etc is not helpful, or fair. Everyone involved at Everton are doing their best to put things right, i.e. recover form a shithouse mess made by a previous regime, some of whom are still in post. We have an awful squad with loads of players not fit for our ambitions. The boat has to be steadied first, that is why Allardyce was brought in. Get rid of the relegation scare this season and take it from there next season.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: ajax_andy on January 16, 2018, 05:05:21 AM
I never wanted Allardyce but we have to give him time... We were hopeless before he came in and it takes time to implement strategy and bring in players to help achieve a level of consistency.

It's too soon to judge, let's wait until the end of the season and see what's what.  Not a popular appointment but one that can't be judged just yet.  The football will always be uninspiring but once he's fully implemented his strategy we should be a much better proposition
Title: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Confucius on January 16, 2018, 11:40:28 AM
Let's try this for the master tactician and master of sport analytics to help him with what the point of football is.

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Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Lxxx on January 16, 2018, 03:29:18 PM
I would argue the Everton job is the easiest in the Premier League. We have the budget of an aspiring top 6 club but without the real expectation, currently the best academy for youth development in the division, 2/3 of the league are pretty shite and you're judged really on 12 games a year against the sides above you as a benchmark of your progress which, as long as you actually manage a shot on target, should see you avoid the sack and finishing 7th regardless of those results. 

I'm not sure why we panicked and gave a limited bloke in the twilight of his career £6m a year to have a go at the above. On that basis we should have the best young, talented managers around Europe dying for a crack at this job as a stepping stone in their career. We need a radical rethink in the summer to re-position ourselves and get it right from top down.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: GLewis on January 16, 2018, 03:38:54 PM
I would argue the Everton job is the easiest in the Premier League. We have the budget of an aspiring top 6 club but without the real expectation, currently the best academy for youth development in the division, 2/3 of the league are pretty shite and you're judged really on 12 games a year against the sides above you as a benchmark of your progress which, as long as you actually manage a shot on target, should see you avoid the sack and finishing 7th regardless of those results. 

I'm not sure why we panicked and gave a limited bloke in the twilight of his career £6m a year to have a go at the above. On that basis we should have the best young, talented managers around Europe dying for a crack at this job as a stepping stone in their career. We need a radical rethink in the summer to re-position ourselves and get it right from top down.
I agree with the second para.

Re the first one I think people constantly underestimate the expectations here.

Look at the reaction to the West Brom game.

We were awful but got a 0-0 where outside of the top 6 would that be met with the kind of meltdowns that we get?

If we donít win away from home against anyone that isnít top 6, everyone gets really angry.

There is an expectation, based I think on the last 25 years grinding everyone down rather than individuals, that we should be playing more exciting football (see complaints re Koeman even when we were scoring lots of (home) goals). Thereís no way that SA wouldnít have defended with everyone behind the ball at Spurs if there hadnít been the widespread criticism of the preceding performances, which is born out of that expectation.

You can finish 7th but if you have a bad first quarter of the next season, youíre out.

Itís not an easy job but thatís exactly why we should have been after a better manager more in line with those pressures.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Bally on January 16, 2018, 04:02:41 PM
I've heard a rumour that the useless cunt is going to use Davies as bait for Antonio from West ham
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Lxxx on January 16, 2018, 04:04:08 PM
I agree with the second para.

Re the first one I think people constantly underestimate the expectations here.

Look at the reaction to the West Brom game.

We were awful but got a 0-0 where outside of the top 6 would that be met with the kind of meltdowns that we get?

If we donít win away from home against anyone that isnít top 6, everyone gets really angry.

There is an expectation, based I think on the last 25 years grinding everyone down rather than individuals, that we should be playing more exciting football (see complaints re Koeman even when we were scoring lots of (home) goals). Thereís no way that SA wouldnít have defended with everyone behind the ball at Spurs if there hadnít been the widespread criticism of the preceding performances, which is born out of that expectation.

You can finish 7th but if you have a bad first quarter of the next season, youíre out.

Itís not an easy job but thatís exactly why we should have been after a better manager more in line with those pressures.

Which is why I think any talented, but more importantly intelligent, manager would be able to work this to their advantage.

A 0-0 draw away at West Brom wouldn't have got the meltdown it had if we'd have lined up to not be happy with a point at the start. Martinez got away with nearly two full seasons of mediocrity because he set up to have a go at teams (in the main). His methods were naÔve in the extreme but I think fans appreciated to a certain extent his positivity.

With a budget like ours we have the resources to build a side with pace to play away from home, which would make teams wary of us as an attacking threat (see early Martinez years) and make our away games more competitive and in theory under less relentless pressure from average teams we see now (the West Brom game).

It should really be a stipulation of the selection and interview process for the next boss. It shouldn't be difficult, we have the whole of Europe to go at and very deep pockets.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Ramjam on January 16, 2018, 04:08:23 PM
I've heard a rumour that the useless cunt is going to use Davies as bait for Antonio from West ham

But what useless cunt are you talking about? Sam or Walsh or Shakespeare
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: plumber on January 16, 2018, 04:09:58 PM
I've heard a rumour Elvis is still alive.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Ramjam on January 16, 2018, 04:11:28 PM
I've heard a rumour Elvis is still alive.

Itís probably that guy down the chip shop swearing heís Elvis 🕺
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Lxxx on January 16, 2018, 04:17:27 PM
I've heard a rumour that the useless cunt is going to use Davies as bait for Antonio from West ham

If I was Davies I'd tell the fat twat to fuck off, he'll be gone in the summer anyway. Hold your ground. He's still a young kid playing for his boyhood club, it's worth hanging on to see if he could live the dream and become a regular. 
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Faceatthefence on January 16, 2018, 04:17:49 PM
In all probability there will be 200 pages on this thread by May,he divided opinion when appointed and will continue to do so till he goes.Personally i think the club will be actively seeking a replacement,18 months is not long in football terms,and the club would be failing in its duties if it let his contract run down.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Hawkandro on January 16, 2018, 04:22:36 PM
I've heard a rumour that the useless cunt is going to use Davies as bait for Antonio from West ham

If I knew how to put a GIF in here, there would be a very unhappy one for all to see, let me tell you.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Ramjam on January 16, 2018, 04:24:06 PM
I would like to think that the club is being pro active this time around and seeking or at least sounding out possible replacements for this summer, lots of managers will be available after the WC.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Mayor Farnum on January 16, 2018, 04:54:51 PM
I've heard a rumour that the useless cunt is going to use Davies as bait for Antonio from West ham

What! We've hardly had a chance to get on Davies' back yet. Sam obviously doesn't get us. 
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: brap2 on January 16, 2018, 04:59:30 PM
I've heard a rumour that the useless cunt is going to use Davies as bait for Antonio from West ham

Would be fine with buying him outright but using Davies...the locals will be restless indeed.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: brap2 on January 16, 2018, 05:01:02 PM
If I was Davies I'd tell the fat twat to fuck off, he'll be gone in the summer anyway. Hold your ground. He's still a young kid playing for his boyhood club, it's worth hanging on to see if he could live the dream and become a regular. 

Same. Plus a good season Or two with everton and you could easily be sold to United or Chelsea, why make the step down so early?
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: sirblue57 on January 16, 2018, 05:07:53 PM
I've heard a rumour that the useless cunt is going to use Davies as bait for Antonio from West ham

No.....
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Ross on January 16, 2018, 05:11:11 PM
Iíll be calling for a Fatwa to be taken out on the Fatone if Davies is let go.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Redartin on January 16, 2018, 05:43:27 PM
I would like to think that the club is being pro active this time around and seeking or at least sounding out possible replacements for this summer, lots of managers will be available after the WC.

No offence, but what colour is the sky in your world?
This is the club that knew Lukaku was going last May and only just got a so called replacement, (remains to be seen).
This is the club that got rid of Martinez and took ages to replace him with Koeman, and then took even longer to replace him with a bell end.
This is the club that has now gone 16 days into this window and still no word of a left back being mentioned unless Theo Walcott has some secret defensive quality that no one else knows about.
If they are looking at anyone it is probably how well Moyes is doing at West Ham.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Lxxx on January 16, 2018, 05:44:58 PM
No offence, but what colour is the sky in your world?
This is the club that knew Lukaku was going last May and only just got a so called replacement, (remains to be seen).
This is the club that got rid of Martinez and took ages to replace him with Koeman, and then took even longer to replace him with a bell end.
This is the club that has now gone 16 days into this window and still no word of a left back being mentioned unless Theo Walcott has some secrete defensive quality that no one else knows about.
If they are looking at anyone it is probably how well Moyes is doing at West Ham.

I'm not sure I'd like to see our new signing secrete anything to be honest.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Redartin on January 16, 2018, 05:47:18 PM
I'm not sure I'd like to see our new signing secrete anything to be honest.
Who knows, if he is made left back he might shit himself.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: dunkster on January 16, 2018, 05:54:20 PM
He's stuck in 80's style football and unable/unwilling to change his philosophy.
Unfortunately other teams have hired the Guardiola/klopp/pochettino's of the world who know exactly how to destroy teams playing like ours.
The sooner we fuck him off in the summer the better. Sorry sam but for a team which can't muster a couple of shots in 90 minutes, cant pass, cant hold onto a ball, to need to be MORE BORING  is a massive indication of how useless you are.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: dunkster on January 16, 2018, 05:58:34 PM
And here's my biggest question I ask myself.. choose any manager you like, could they massively improve our performances with the squad available? If the answers no then it's no real fault of his and the blame lies elsewhere. If the answers yes, the players are more than capable of keeping possession and incorporating pass/move positive football then he's obviously the wrong guy.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: gizzblue on January 16, 2018, 06:07:11 PM
And here's my biggest question I ask myself.. choose any manager you like, could they massively improve our performances with the squad available? If the answers no then it's no real fault of his and the blame lies elsewhere. If the answers yes, the players are more than capable of keeping possession and incorporating pass/move positive football then he's obviously the wrong guy.
Pretty much the same team getting plenty of shots last year even without lukaku as he didn't create that much himself ...Mirra was classed as shit ..Ross and Gylfi pretty much even in stats bolasie fit  ..no?.

So id say yes a decent none dinosaur manager could get us attacking again quite easily.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Rodenplav64 on January 16, 2018, 09:20:16 PM
I have no faith what so ever in Moshiri and therefore no faith in us getting it right with him at the helm .
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: therealdunc on January 16, 2018, 10:00:05 PM
Pretty much the same team getting plenty of shots last year even without lukaku as he didn't create that much himself ...Mirra was classed as shit ..Ross and Gylfi pretty much even in stats bolasie fit  ..no?.


English?
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: everton1952 on January 16, 2018, 10:02:10 PM
Pretty much the same team getting plenty of shots last year even without lukaku as he didn't create that much himself ...Mirra was classed as shit ..Ross and Gylfi pretty much even in stats bolasie fit  ..no?.

So id say yes a decent none dinosaur manager could get us attacking again quite easily.
Easily eh? while we are attacking easily someone is scoring in our goal easily. We start from where we are with the dross players we have got, not some imaginary squad which as you say would make it all so easy. Give them a bit more time (not days) and get more players in and a whole load out and we might get to where you would like us to be.   
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: JordanianEmbassy on January 16, 2018, 11:07:09 PM
Apart from 3 months at home last season (Between the 2-1 win against Arsenal and qualification for Europe) we've been properly rubbish since the end of Martinez first season (ie 3.5 years)

Its too early to be blaming Allardyce for that just because he hasn't turned us into the equivalent of the 1988 AC Milan side in the space of a few weeks.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Lxxx on January 16, 2018, 11:20:53 PM
Apart from 3 months at home last season (Between the 2-1 win against Arsenal and qualification for Europe) we've been properly rubbish since the end of Martinez first season (ie 3.5 years)

Its too early to be blaming Allardyce for that just because he hasn't turned us into the equivalent of the 1988 AC Milan side in the space of a few weeks.

There's some truth in that.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Confucius on January 16, 2018, 11:21:54 PM
Iíll be calling for a Fatwa to be taken out on the Fatone if Davies is let go.

I know someone who can help us with that.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Rodenplav64 on January 16, 2018, 11:22:20 PM
Apart from 3 months at home last season (Between the 2-1 win against Arsenal and qualification for Europe) we've been properly rubbish since the end of Martinez first season (ie 3.5 years)

Its too early to be blaming Allardyce for that just because he hasn't turned us into the equivalent of the 1988 AC Milan side in the space of a few weeks.

And he is very unlikely to at any point in time .
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: UnsyisaRhino on January 16, 2018, 11:41:12 PM
And he is very unlikely to at any point in time .


As is anyone we could realistically attract right now
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: gizzblue on January 17, 2018, 12:11:57 AM
English?
Awe; what's a matter does my post imply your Blue eyed boy is an incohearant inept wanker .. .sorry ...but the evidence is there for all to see ...aside those wearing pint of wine tinted glasses.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: gizzblue on January 17, 2018, 12:16:03 AM
Easily eh? while we are attacking easily someone is scoring in our goal easily. We start from where we are with the dross players we have got, not some imaginary squad which as you say would make it all so easy. Give them a bit more time (not days) and get more players in and a whole load out and we might get to where you would like us to be.
How the fuck can you say that ,we havnt attacked since he came ..our shot ratio alone will tell you such .ffs wake up there are things going on around your everything is rosey since Sam joined life you know .

Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: UnsyisaRhino on January 17, 2018, 12:19:41 AM
How the fuck can you say that ,we havnt attacked since he came ..our shot ratio alone will tell you such .ffs wake up there are things going on around your everything is rosey since Sam joined life you know .



Have we scored since he came?
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on January 17, 2018, 12:20:31 AM
Iíll be calling for a Fatwa to be taken out on the Fatone if Davies is let go.
If he goes it's terminal.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: gizzblue on January 17, 2018, 01:37:58 AM
Have we scored since he came?
Couple of pens and a Sigurdson worldy as far as I can remember but no shots in four games is really poor...why are you another who is glad Sam the messiah is here and love the way he's got us playing (watching others play)?.

Just curious like ... 😅😅😅
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: UnsyisaRhino on January 17, 2018, 02:07:03 AM
Couple of pens and a Sigurdson worldy as far as I can remember but no shots in four games is really poor...why are you another who is glad Sam the messiah is here and love the way he's got us playing (watching others play)?.

Just curious like ... 😅😅😅

Just questioning how we've scored if we never attack.

Its obvious your another one who thinks you either think sam is useless of the mesiah. Pointing out how stupid your post was doesnt mean i like what sam is doing.

Glad you find yourself funny, not sure anyone else does.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: gizzblue on January 17, 2018, 02:36:00 AM
Just questioning how we've scored if we never attack.

Its obvious your another one who thinks you either think sam is useless of the mesiah. Pointing out how stupid your post was doesnt mean i like what sam is doing.

Glad you find yourself funny, not sure anyone else does.
😉😛.
Rather trying to be funny ..than miserable as our attacking play .👍
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Escla on January 17, 2018, 04:18:43 AM
I have no faith what so ever in Moshiri and therefore no faith in us getting it right with him at the helm .

Might be time for you to look for another team to support then ?
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: april on January 17, 2018, 04:23:11 AM
Iím still of the opinion that Sam was brought in to provide stability and save us from relegation, which was a very real threat under RK and Unsworth. Looks like weíll finish 8th - 11th, and most people would have taken that a couple of months ago. Letís see this season as time to regroup. Plans to improve are already being made Iím sure. Those folk moaning about SAís £6m salary are of course right, this money is immoral, but sadly itís the going rate and is actually a sound investment when compared to the potential losses that relegation brings. A safe, boring appointment, but ultimately a sensible one too.
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Ross on January 17, 2018, 05:15:02 AM
Might be time for you to look for another team to support then ?

Why?

I imagine like most of us @Rodenplav64 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=3475) has supported the club since he was a youngster and seen the thick and thin times, why should he stop now just because he has no faith in Moshiri? The club and @Rodenplav64 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=3475) will be here long after this fella gets bored and fucks off.

Did you offer this sort of advice to people who had no faith in Johnson or Kenwright previously?

Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: boothill on January 18, 2018, 12:33:47 AM
Why?

I imagine like most of us @Rodenplav64 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=3475) has supported the club since he was a youngster and seen the thick and thin times, why should he stop now just because he has no faith in Moshiri? The club and @Rodenplav64 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=3475) will be here long after this fella gets bored and fucks off.

Did you offer this sort of advice to people who had no faith in Johnson or Kenwright previously?
fucking awful under johnson, much worse than now, sooner have walter than sam though
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Heisenberg on January 18, 2018, 12:43:19 AM
Iím still of the opinion that Sam was brought in to provide stability and save us from relegation, which was a very real threat under RK and Unsworth. Looks like weíll finish 8th - 11th, and most people would have taken that a couple of months ago.

I honestly wouldnt. Any half decent manager would have us finishing 7th with that squad. Player for player we are the 7th best team in the league
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: sam of the south on January 18, 2018, 01:58:49 AM
Bleak article about Walcott's arrival, and focusing on our oddly charismatic yet depressingly dour head honcho



https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/football/2018/jan/17/theo-walcott-arsenal-everton-lookman-vlasic
Title: Re: The big man, the boss; Big Sam
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on January 18, 2018, 02:04:04 AM
Bleak article about Walcott's arrival, and focusing on our oddly charismatic yet depressingly dour head honcho


Just made me mutter the rest of the lyrics of Dead Wrong