Post by: Bob Sacamano on December 02, 2017, 06:59:34 PM
Ideally, and realistically, who do you go for?
Post by: Bob Sacamano on December 02, 2017, 07:00:07 PM
Post by: Mayor Farnum on December 02, 2017, 07:02:39 PM
Post by: TheRam on December 02, 2017, 07:16:41 PM
No doubt this thread is going to be 10 pages of people saying we'll sign someone who's already played for him.
Let's branch out a bit aye. Sick of hearing the same names mentioned with us.
Post by: Lxxx on December 02, 2017, 07:19:15 PM
Post by: sam of the south on December 02, 2017, 07:20:10 PM
So we need a CB, LB, passing DM and CF. I’d also say we need to grab a winger too.
Ideally, and realistically, who do you go for?
Haha, I said we needed that even when everyone was spunking about our early recruitment in the summer window.
A bit will depend on how Bolasie progresses in training I expect, and how much Allardyce rates Lookman, Vlasic, Keane, Holgate, Sandro, DCL, Klaassen, and Schneiderlin, and if he can persuade Barkley to stay.
If Bolasie does spring on, and he can get sufficient performances out of Lookman, Vlasic, and Lennon then we will look pretty good in the winger department, and if he gets Barkley to commit and over his injury, he will literally be like a new signing 😏 and Klaassen won't be so much of an issue.
A striker, a top CB, a better DM than Schneiderlin, and a decent LB will make us 100% better.
Post by: brap2 on December 02, 2017, 07:40:15 PM
Post by: kramer0 on December 02, 2017, 07:42:21 PM
I hope we don't try for any "getting the gang back together” signings, like van Aanholt. It's one thing to sign a familiar face when you step into a messy situation and don't have much of a recruitment team in place. We have Steve Walsh and Martyn Glover, both of whom Allardyce has worked with before, already working on identifying players, so we should be getting more creative than the same boring names from around the league.
Post by: TheRam on December 02, 2017, 07:45:07 PM
Post by: Tinga on December 02, 2017, 07:46:06 PM
Post by: Ross on December 02, 2017, 07:53:16 PM
Maybe a couple of loans for a few defenders if that really is the case.
Post by: gizzblue on December 02, 2017, 07:53:41 PM
I'm worried we're going to get a big fucking lump up front in the mould of Andy Carroll. I believe we'll get Bas Dost.That's what we were screaming out for .... the likes of Sandro ,klassen ,Sig ,Rooney even Lookman to feed off ...I for one would welcome a big hairy arse good back to goal bastard .
Post by: brap2 on December 02, 2017, 07:53:57 PM
Post by: gizzblue on December 02, 2017, 07:57:24 PM
We need a technical 9Fuck that too close to a ten😛
Post by: Bluedylan on December 02, 2017, 08:00:36 PM
Be arsed watching a big target man and yet another slow player added to the team.
Post by: kramer0 on December 02, 2017, 08:15:16 PM
When did Walsh work with Sam by the way?
At Newcastle. Which is maybe not a great omen.
Did good work with Glover at Blackburn and Sunderland, though.
Post by: indiantoffee1975 on December 02, 2017, 08:20:50 PM
Not the type of striker we want but would do a specific job and his aerial ability with the long balls.
Lamine Kone and Ben Chillwell perhaps for defensive cover.
Post by: Mayor Farnum on December 02, 2017, 08:21:41 PM
Post by: BlueForYou on December 02, 2017, 08:28:06 PM
Post by: ally2 on December 02, 2017, 08:41:06 PM
Post by: farnhamtoffee on December 02, 2017, 08:41:17 PM
Post by: Bluedylan on December 02, 2017, 09:10:33 PM
Post by: duncandisorderly on December 02, 2017, 09:16:08 PM
I'd kill for someone who can put their foot on the ball and pass the ball in midfield. A couple of one touch give and go's would be nice occasionally.That Mooy for these looks half decent
Post by: Hawkandro on December 02, 2017, 10:50:13 PM
Luke Shaw would be a good signing for lb.
Think he will be a target. Ben Gibson worth a punt too? Cenk Tosun or Bas Dost up front?
Post by: stirlingblue on December 03, 2017, 12:14:28 AM
Lamine Kone and Ben Chillwell perhaps for defensive cover.
Not sure about Kone but if we sign Chilwell it won't be as cover, he's already good enough to be a starting lb for us before Baines and would probably cost £25m+ in today's market
Post by: GLewis on December 03, 2017, 12:25:21 AM
Just a word of caution re any assumed certainty of getting rid of Baines etc.
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 03, 2017, 12:27:30 AM
Post by: Trowel on December 03, 2017, 12:36:25 AM
Good player, and available by all reports, but literally not a priority now.
Post by: Waltzer on December 03, 2017, 12:39:01 AM
Post by: Macca77 on December 03, 2017, 12:39:20 AM
Post by: Waltzer on December 03, 2017, 12:40:55 AM
For what it's worth, the Mail are running with a £25m bid for Steven N'Zonzi...I agree its not a priority, however, if a player becomes available who would strengthen us we should be in for him. NZonzi walks into our team over Gueye, Davies and Schneiderlin
Good player, and available by all reports, but literally not a priority now.
Post by: Mayor Farnum on December 03, 2017, 01:19:37 AM
For what it's worth, the Mail are running with a £25m bid for Steven N'Zonzi...
Good player, and available by all reports, but literally not a priority now.
Loves a tall boy Sam.
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 03, 2017, 01:22:20 AM
For what it's worth, the Mail are running with a £25m bid for Steven N'Zonzi...Didn't Sam sign him for Blackburn
Good player, and available by all reports, but literally not a priority now.
Post by: mikey_blue on December 03, 2017, 01:32:26 AM
Didn't Sam sign him for Blackburn
I think he did. Would be a major upgrade on morgs.
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 03, 2017, 01:34:31 AM
I think he did. Would be a major upgrade on morgs.Agreed
Just wondering if it's lazy journalism
Post by: brap2 on December 03, 2017, 01:39:52 AM
Think I’d need to look him up a bit more to know where he’d be playing but I think he would definitely be playing so for me a no brainer.
Post by: mikey_blue on December 03, 2017, 01:48:34 AM
Can't say I've watched him since he was getting rave reviews last year, but it's gone wrong for him there now it sounds like. Something about like going on holiday or something.
Think I'd need to look him up a bit more to know where he'd be playing but I think he would definitely be playing so for me a no brainer.
He was class at Goodison.
Post by: Makis on December 03, 2017, 03:53:44 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/feb/21/stoke-sevilla-steven-nzonzi-champions-league-leicester
Post by: Lincs Toffee on December 03, 2017, 04:06:02 AM
Yeah, Allardyce signed N'Zonzi for Blackburn. I wouldn't be surprised if we tried to sign him. Allardyce likes tall central midfielders and frankly I don't think Schneiderlin is his type of tall CM. I don't know how much Allardyce will improve our midfield, but it has not exactly been dominating games. Not even today against a free-falling Huddersfield. N'Zonzi would make sense in many ways, Sam wants tall players for those set pieces, he knows the player and he's better than what we got.Decent article that, I'd have him hear no worries, certainly an upgrade on MS.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/feb/21/stoke-sevilla-steven-nzonzi-champions-league-leicester
Post by: blargins on December 03, 2017, 04:23:02 AM
Luke Shaw would be a good signing for lb.No more it’d rejects.
Post by: toshyboy on December 03, 2017, 04:30:48 AM
Post by: Brownie20 on December 03, 2017, 04:32:05 AM
Post by: ally2 on December 03, 2017, 04:34:39 AM
Post by: Makis on December 03, 2017, 04:58:46 AM
Post by: Ari on December 03, 2017, 05:00:16 AM
I hope that he will bring in Edison Cavani from PSG this time.
Post by: TheTone on December 03, 2017, 05:05:55 AM
Sam Allardyce has brought a player from PSG before. Jay-Jay Okocha is his name.
I hope that he will bring in Edison Cavani from PSG this time.
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Post by: ally2 on December 03, 2017, 05:08:45 AM
Post by: Jamokachi on December 03, 2017, 06:22:59 AM
Left back and striker are priority, obviously. Then if we can get a solid CB who likes to put his foot on the ball that would be great (though I don't think ball playing CB's are going to be top of the list somehow!). Be great if we got Evans.
Post by: mikey_blue on December 03, 2017, 07:43:57 AM
Post by: Thomas on December 03, 2017, 11:21:55 AM
Demari Gray, Vardy and Chilwell (KT at Celtic is joined at the hip to the club, just signed a 6 year deal,otherwise would be my ideal choice)
Will Hughes from Watford and Zaha and (I know we cant have him in january as he is a chelsea loanee) Loftus Cheek.
CBs are tough to find.
I do wonder how Rondon would do away from WBA.
Post by: Thomas on December 03, 2017, 11:25:28 AM
@Bob Sacamano (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=47) ... Drinkwater's a bit of a mad shout mate? Seems to be getting game time for Chelsea now that he's fit, and I can't really see where he's needed?
Left back and striker are priority, obviously. Then if we can get a solid CB who likes to put his foot on the ball that would be great (though I don't think ball playing CB's are going to be top of the list somehow!). Be great if we got Evans.
Drinkwater would be perfect for Everton. But wishful thinking.
Post by: Bob Sacamano on December 03, 2017, 02:40:05 PM
@Bob Sacamano (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=47) ... Drinkwater's a bit of a mad shout mate? Seems to be getting game time for Chelsea now that he's fit, and I can't really see where he's needed?
Left back and striker are priority, obviously. Then if we can get a solid CB who likes to put his foot on the ball that would be great (though I don't think ball playing CB's are going to be top of the list somehow!). Be great if we got Evans.
I don’t think Chelsea can help themselves and will be bringing in CMs.
Post by: Brownie20 on December 03, 2017, 02:49:02 PM
Raid Leicester and Palace basically.
Demari Gray, Vardy and Chilwell (KT at Celtic is joined at the hip to the club, just signed a 6 year deal,otherwise would be my ideal choice)
Will Hughes from Watford and Zaha and (I know we cant have him in january as he is a chelsea loanee) Loftus Cheek.
CBs are tough to find.
I do wonder how Rondon would do away from WBA.
Gray's just signed a ne deal. Vardy would be one of those terrible SA type signings that everyone is worried about - huge fee, massive wages, end of career near with no resale value.
Post by: BlueForYou on December 03, 2017, 03:53:36 PM
Premier: VVD, Juan Mata, Shkodran Mustafi, Reece Oxford
Championship: Ryan Sessegnon, David Brooks, Bobby Reid
Scotland: Kieran Tierney, Moussa Dembele
Continent: Edinson Cavani
Post by: BlueBeagle on December 03, 2017, 04:02:07 PM
KT at Celtic is joined at the hip to the club, just signed a 6 year deal,otherwise would be my ideal choice
If he's actually any good then he's hardly going to want to waste his career in Scotland is he, fan of Celtic or not.
Post by: loroloco on December 03, 2017, 04:15:08 PM
Post by: Lxxx on December 03, 2017, 04:31:02 PM
Raid Leicester and Palace basically.
Demari Gray, Vardy and Chilwell (KT at Celtic is joined at the hip to the club, just signed a 6 year deal,otherwise would be my ideal choice)
Will Hughes from Watford and Zaha and (I know we cant have him in january as he is a chelsea loanee) Loftus Cheek.
CBs are tough to find.
I do wonder how Rondon would do away from WBA.
Are Leicester 'raidable'? Their owner has a bigger wedge than ours and they'd back themselves to be finishing higher than us this season. I can understand them letting Drinkwater go to Chelsea as it'd be a step up for the lad but I can't imagine Gray/Vardy/Chilwell pushing for a move to us if they refused our approaches and they offered them a payrise too.
Post by: Martip on December 03, 2017, 04:31:10 PM
Top targets:Mustafi not who we need at the back imo
Premier: VVD, Juan Mata, Shkodran Mustafi, Reece Oxford
Championship: Ryan Sessegnon, David Brooks, Bobby Reid
Scotland: Kieran Tierney, Moussa Dembele
Continent: Edinson Cavani
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on December 03, 2017, 05:08:53 PM
Are Leicester 'raidable'? Their owner has a bigger wedge than ours and they'd back themselves to be finishing higher than us this season. I can understand them letting Drinkwater go to Chelsea as it'd be a step up for the lad but I can't imagine Gray/Vardy/Chilwell pushing for a move to us if they refused our approaches and they offered them a payrise too.Exactly. Some ridiculous shouts on here. We had trouble getting Sigurdsson from Swansea! Had to pay through the fucking arse to get him. We need to look further afield than the Premier League.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 03, 2017, 05:17:03 PM
Top targets:
Premier: VVD, Juan Mata, Shkodran Mustafi, Reece Oxford
Championship: Ryan Sessegnon, David Brooks, Bobby Reid
Scotland: Kieran Tierney, Moussa Dembele
Continent: Edinson Cavani
How's oxford doing? He's on loan somewhere in Germany isn't he? Cavani is worldclass and having a fantastic season. No way PSG will part with him and if they did they'd be loads of teams better placed than us to sign him
Hopefully we will be clever move away from overpriced premier league players
Post by: Rodenplav64 on December 03, 2017, 05:22:19 PM
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on December 03, 2017, 05:26:46 PM
Burnley’s and Watford’s bubble is likely to burst or they are not likely to end their season as strongly as they have started. And the opposite for us. And Southampton are on and off this year. So, you would think Leicester would be our main competition for chasing the top of the 2nd partition of the Prem. Bear with me...
If we grab Vardy or Mahrez, it will not only strengthen us, and add pace and severe threat up top, but it will weaken Leicester too. Were not going to get a Benzema, Cavani or a Lewandowski, but we should be able to tempt Vardy with a final big money move, and would do a job for the next transitional year or two.
Post by: GLewis on December 03, 2017, 05:32:40 PM
Just like playing football Manager this shite . I hope he just gets told to get on with what he has till the summer . Don't want to see someone come in now and block Kenny , DCL , Benni or Lookman . I want to know if he can get improvement out of Klassen , Schneiderlin and Sandro once he has settled the defence and put a stop to the headless chicken displays . He has an 18 month contract and I don't think we need to inflate the squad with players who won't be arsed once we have got about 40 points .If the signs are positive then wait till the summer as the reason for the appointment was to stop us going down not that it was happening anyway .
We definitely need a front line striker, a LB option and maybe a new CB (although that could wait until summer).
Re other players like Klaassen, yes ideally we’ll see some work here, but maybe they want to leave etc.
Post by: BlueForYou on December 03, 2017, 06:14:44 PM
We should be targeting these players (VVD)
If not, re-target Giroud
Reece Oxford had his loan spell cut short so is back at West Ham and out of favour - Moyes might let him go on the cheap!
Post by: cantoffee on December 03, 2017, 06:38:38 PM
We need players hitting their prime years and we've signed too many players at 28 or 29 that will have no resale value.
We need to be conscious of the costs and not spend money so freely as we have been. It's not a recipe for success.
Post by: BlueForYou on December 03, 2017, 06:53:07 PM
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 03, 2017, 07:08:21 PM
Post by: Rodenplav64 on December 03, 2017, 07:20:15 PM
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/everton-transfer-rumours-troy-deeney-13987435
Niasse does the same for less . No way for me .
Post by: Danny on December 03, 2017, 07:44:00 PM
Cavani too good for Everton? Everton not in his league?
We should be targeting these players (VVD)
If not, re-target Giroud
Reece Oxford had his loan spell cut short so is back at West Ham and out of favour - Moyes might let him go on the cheap!
Cavani is too good for Everton, statistically one of the best strikers in the world in the last year and on a wedge at PSG playing in and competing to win the Champions League.
We’ve won 1 trophy in my lifetime, i’d be surprised if he’s even heard about us.
Post by: blargins on December 03, 2017, 07:49:52 PM
Cavani is too good for Everton, statistically one of the best strikers in the world in the last year and on a wedge at PSG playing in and competing to win the Champions League.
We’ve won 1 trophy in my lifetime, i’d be surprised if he’s even heard about us.
He'll have heard of us.
Everton 1 Lyon 2
Lyon 3 Everton 0
Remember.
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 03, 2017, 07:51:08 PM
Niasse does the same for less . No way for me .Totally different players but it's a no from me too
Post by: blueToffee on December 03, 2017, 08:03:20 PM
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/everton-transfer-rumours-troy-deeney-13987435
Ugh, if that isn’t cause for firing Walsh I don’t know what would be.
We’ve got to start showing more ambition and critically imagination in the transfer market.
Post by: Mayor Farnum on December 03, 2017, 08:30:38 PM
Post by: brap2 on December 03, 2017, 08:58:31 PM
Just like playing football Manager this shite . I hope he just gets told to get on with what he has till the summer . Don't want to see someone come in now and block Kenny , DCL , Benni or Lookman . I want to know if he can get improvement out of Klassen , Schneiderlin and Sandro once he has settled the defence and put a stop to the headless chicken displays . He has an 18 month contract and I don't think we need to inflate the squad with players who won't be arsed once we have got about 40 points .If the signs are positive then wait till the summer as the reason for the appointment was to stop us going down not that it was happening anyway .
Crackers.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 03, 2017, 09:01:48 PM
Crackers.
Exactly. Let's appoint a manager then cut his throat by not giving him any money to spend despite all of us knowing there's big holes in our squad. Crazy plan
Post by: Danny on December 03, 2017, 09:17:08 PM
Exactly. Let's appoint a manager then cut his throat by not giving him any money to spend despite all of us knowing there's big holes in our squad. Crazy plan
Particularly funny when it’s the same people labelling Allardyce as a panic appointment but then saying don’t even back him.
Post by: Rodenplav64 on December 03, 2017, 09:47:04 PM
Exactly. Let's appoint a manager then cut his throat by not giving him any money to spend despite all of us knowing there's big holes in our squad. Crazy plan
No he is a panic appointment and was not anywhere near first choice . He has an 18month contract and if Silva became available then Allardyce will be gone . It would actually make business sense and it is something he has actually got use to over the years . He isn't here to stay or that contract would have been longer and I would have no problem letting him splash a bit of Mo's cash . If you consider Koeman had to clear out those he didn't want and Allardyce might well have to do the same then why let him spend shedloads ? And just incase you can't read I said wait till the summer and lets see what he can get out of the existing squad . Hardly crackers is it ?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 03, 2017, 10:05:21 PM
No he is a panic appointment and was not anywhere near first choice . He has an 18month contract and if Silva became available then Allardyce will be gone . It would actually make business sense and it is something he has actually got use to over the years . He isn't here to stay or that contract would have been longer and I would have no problem letting him splash a bit of Mo's cash . If you consider Koeman had to clear out those he didn't want and Allardyce might well have to do the same then why let him spend shedloads ? And just incase you can't read I said wait till the summer and lets see what he can get out of the existing squad . Hardly crackers is it ?
Surely its very obvious we need a left back a centre half and a striker. Almost indisputable? So why wait if suitable targets are available?
Post by: Thomas on December 03, 2017, 10:44:34 PM
How's oxford doing? He's on loan somewhere in Germany isn't he? Cavani is worldclass and having a fantastic season. No way PSG will part with him and if they did they'd be loads of teams better placed than us to sign him
Hopefully we will be clever move away from overpriced premier league players
The header he scored vs Celtic and the absolute arrogance/nonchalant nature of the manner of the way he did it was amazing. It would have been superb in the near corner but he somehow managed to put it in the far corner. (Cavani)
Post by: Thomas on December 03, 2017, 10:49:43 PM
Gray's just signed a ne deal. Vardy would be one of those terrible SA type signings that everyone is worried about - huge fee, massive wages, end of career near with no resale value.
What about (as a complete shot in the dark i must stress) Rondon? Is he better than Deeney?
Loftus Cheek/Zaha?
Post by: Brownie20 on December 03, 2017, 11:06:28 PM
What about (as a complete shot in the dark i must stress) Rondon? Is he better than Deeney?
Loftus Cheek/Zaha?
I won't comment on Rondon and Loftys Cheek as I've not seen a lot of them. Zaha is a bit inconsistent isn't he?
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 03, 2017, 11:16:29 PM
What about (as a complete shot in the dark i must stress) Rondon? Is he better than Deeney?Defo take rondon me
Loftus Cheek/Zaha?
Cheaper and a good alternative to benteke
Post by: Rodenplav64 on December 03, 2017, 11:22:17 PM
Surely its very obvious we need a left back a centre half and a striker. Almost indisputable? So why wait if suitable targets are available?
We have Keane and Williams , Jags and Holgate . Had it not gone tits up for Koeman that probably would have been seen as good enough for this season . I don't mind loans but Kone fell off a fucking cliff and we could have bought him on account of his end of season efforts for Sunderland and now be stuck with someone who is dogshit . We need to reduce the age of the squad and he really doesn't have much of a record for that does he . I am not saying we should strangle his finances but we have already spent a shitload and we don't need to add to the spending if he can get what we have climbing the table . In the summer we can better evaluate .
Post by: TheRam on December 03, 2017, 11:53:10 PM
The Nzonzi thing is gathering pace and that really excites me.
Post by: Toddacelli on December 04, 2017, 12:12:11 AM
Lads, Rondon has scored about two goals in a year. Swerve.This. Don't rate Rondon at all, me. He may be able to hold up a bit and play as a target man but he's no better than DCL at that and he scores less. If we spend money on a striker we need a goal return, not just someone who fits a system.
The Nzonzi thing is gathering pace and that really excites me.
Imagine spending £20M on Rondon and relying on the rest of the team for goals... ...not a pretty thought.
Post by: Shogun on December 04, 2017, 12:16:00 AM
Post by: Bob Sacamano on December 04, 2017, 12:17:09 AM
Lads, Rondon has scored about two goals in a year. Swerve.
The Nzonzi thing is gathering pace and that really excites me.
Where you reading rumours about this link?
Post by: Gash on December 04, 2017, 12:50:19 AM
Lads, Rondon has scored about two goals in a year. Swerve.
The Nzonzi thing is gathering pace and that really excites me.
I even gave your post it's own thread but no one's biting. :)
Post by: Danny on December 04, 2017, 01:14:44 AM
The header he scored vs Celtic and the absolute arrogance/nonchalant nature of the manner of the way he did it was amazing. It would have been superb in the near corner but he somehow managed to put it in the far corner. (Cavani)
His volley the other day into the bottom corner vs Celtic as well (I think) was the least saveable shot i've ever seen, no keeper in football history saves it.
Post by: brap2 on December 04, 2017, 01:18:14 AM
Post by: Thomas on December 04, 2017, 02:02:08 AM
He's world class forget about it
Post by: Cereal Killer on December 04, 2017, 03:24:23 AM
Post by: EVERTON 66 on December 04, 2017, 03:27:31 AM
Post by: pjk on December 04, 2017, 04:13:33 AM
Post by: brap2 on December 04, 2017, 04:16:11 AM
No he is a panic appointment and was not anywhere near first choice . He has an 18month contract and if Silva became available then Allardyce will be gone . It would actually make business sense and it is something he has actually got use to over the years . He isn't here to stay or that contract would have been longer and I would have no problem letting him splash a bit of Mo's cash . If you consider Koeman had to clear out those he didn't want and Allardyce might well have to do the same then why let him spend shedloads ? And just incase you can't read I said wait till the summer and lets see what he can get out of the existing squad . Hardly crackers is it ?
Totally crackers.
19 year old up front two 40 year old CB’s, a double fracture at RB with a 19 year old filling in and Cuco Martina at left back for the foreseeable.
Do you not like Everton? Do you not want them to do well?
Post by: ally2 on December 04, 2017, 04:31:41 AM
Don't forget about Henry Onyekuru. He's got to be accommodated in the summer. And he's looking pretty good atm. So whoever we get in January I'm sure they have to come into the equation, along with Henry. Maybe a quality loan is the way forward and someone permanent in the summer.
I like the idea that our two strikers next year could be lads called Henry and Dominic. We just need a Sebastien and a Quentin.
Post by: Bluedylan on December 04, 2017, 05:05:41 AM
Post by: Jamokachi on December 04, 2017, 06:38:41 AM
Could still go in for Llorente as a decent short term option. Doesn't seem to be getting much of a look in at Spurs.
Would have been brilliant to have gotten him in the summer.
Post by: dangermouse on December 04, 2017, 03:37:18 PM
If he’s only here till the end of the season like an awful lot believe I doubt they’ll let him spend serious money.
Maybe a couple of loans for a few defenders if that really is the case.
Isn't this why we have a director of football?
Post by: Rodenplav64 on December 04, 2017, 03:55:31 PM
Totally crackers.
19 year old up front two 40 year old CB’s, a double fracture at RB with a 19 year old filling in and Cuco Martina at left back for the foreseeable.
Do you not like Everton? Do you not want them to do well?
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You can't read can you and exaggeration makes you look crackers . First and foremost he was brought in to keep us up . I want this season behind us and to make rational decisions in the summer . He can get loans in to cover for the positions that need strengthening . Comprende ? Wakarimas ? Get it ? Verste ? Razumijete ?
Post by: Rodenplav64 on December 04, 2017, 03:57:25 PM
Isn't this why we have a director of football?
He has been a raving success .
Post by: brap2 on December 04, 2017, 04:28:47 PM
Totally crackers.
19 year old up front two 40 year old CB’s, a double fracture at RB with a 19 year old filling in and Cuco Martina at left back for the foreseeable.
Do you not like Everton? Do you not want them to do well?Quote
You can't read can you and exaggeration makes you look crackers . First and foremost he was brought in to keep us up . I want this season behind us and to make rational decisions in the summer . He can get loans in to cover for the positions that need strengthening . Comprende ? Wakarimas ? Get it ? Verste ? Razumijete ?
Tapped my mate
Post by: gizzblue on December 04, 2017, 04:38:48 PM
Give him money Moshiri, let's get up that fucking table ....sod loaning shite ,we need new blood now ,and to rid ourselves of some real shit too.
Post by: Liam on December 04, 2017, 04:44:09 PM
Post by: van der Meyde on December 04, 2017, 04:44:50 PM
You can't read can you and exaggeration makes you look crackers . First and foremost he was brought in to keep us up . I want this season behind us and to make rational decisions in the summer . He can get loans in to cover for the positions that need strengthening . Comprende ? Wakarimas ? Get it ? Verste ? Razumijete ?Really can't agree with this bit more.
Yeah, we're short in a number of positions. Long term we need to add quality, at a minimum, at left back, centre back, centre mid and centre forward.
January is a notoriously difficult time to get players in though. Players who are good enough for us long term are, most likely, going to be playing regularly for their teams. They'll either be very expensive or plain unavailable.
If we can get in our number one choice for a reasonable price, go for it. Otherwise I think we should probably leave it. We're not going to finish higher than 7th, the FA Cup will be luck of the draw. If we're going to crack the top 4/6, we need to be getting the recruitment bang on almost all the time. Every permanent player we bring in who's slightly below what we need/not the ideal fit is going to make our job harder and harder in future.
Post by: ally2 on December 04, 2017, 05:14:58 PM
Post by: Hawkandro on December 04, 2017, 07:00:10 PM
Post by: Lxxx on December 04, 2017, 07:34:18 PM
We should be following the model of Dortmund, RB Leipzig and to an extent, Spurs. Signing players in the 20-25yo age bracket, that have not yet developed in to CL players.
Hopefully that's the model our DoF has relayed to his mate.
Post by: Toddacelli on December 04, 2017, 07:40:39 PM
I reckon we will go back in for Giroud in Jan, especially as Deschamps has warned him he needs to be playing more if he wants to go to the World Cup.
Can't see Giroud here unless he he splits from his missus because it was apparently her that wouldn't make the move from London. So @TheTone (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4357) - fancy getting yourself down that there London and putting Olivier on the losing side of a love triangle?
That's the only way it's going to happen.
Post by: Lxxx on December 04, 2017, 07:44:10 PM
Can't see Giroud here unless he he splits from his missus because it was apparently her that wouldn't make the move from London. So @TheTone (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4357) - fancy getting yourself down that there London and putting Olivier on the losing side of a love triangle?
That's the only way it's going to happen.
6 months to save his world cup dream? I think his missus would do as she's told if this was the case.
Post by: GLewis on December 04, 2017, 08:02:19 PM
6 months to save his world cup dream? I think his missus would do as she's told if this was the case.
Yes and move to Marseille with him ;)
Post by: TheTone on December 04, 2017, 08:38:41 PM
Can't see Giroud here unless he he splits from his missus because it was apparently her that wouldn't make the move from London. So @TheTone (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4357) - fancy getting yourself down that there London and putting Olivier on the losing side of a love triangle?
That's the only way it's going to happen.
Sorry pal, I is all loved up these days :thumbsup:
Post by: Rodenplav64 on December 04, 2017, 08:42:12 PM
Hopefully that's the model our DoF has relayed to his mate.
Hopefully our U23 system is already doing it .
Post by: Toddacelli on December 04, 2017, 10:12:15 PM
Sorry pal, I is all loved up these days :thumbsup:
It's ok - next week will be fine :snigger:
Post by: Bluedylan on December 04, 2017, 11:55:40 PM
Post by: Goughie on December 05, 2017, 12:56:06 AM
Post by: bornblue88 on December 05, 2017, 04:25:20 AM
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on December 05, 2017, 04:53:35 AM
Did SA re-sign Zaha for Palace? Id like to see him here. Bolasie one side, Zaha the other.
Pardew signed him in 2015 transfer dead line day (Feb)
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on December 05, 2017, 05:26:47 AM
Post by: ally2 on December 05, 2017, 05:39:54 AM
Hearing on some Arsenal jungle drums that a Giroud loan is on for Jan.
Post by: Outworlder47 on December 05, 2017, 06:00:45 AM
Aren't we supposed to be interested in Jack Harrison? He's highly rated and sounds like a decent buy all things considered
We are, yes. Looking like £6M or thereabouts. 10 goals and 6 assists from the wing at age 20. NYCFC finished second in the Eastern Conference, and since they'll have a "Designated Player" slot (basically, they can exceed their wage cap for three players) with Pirlo retiring, they may look to bring in a bit of cash to help that purchase.
Post by: blargins on December 05, 2017, 08:37:24 AM
Post by: Thomas on December 05, 2017, 09:24:45 AM
Some rumors of Danny Rose going around. 45 million being quoted.Jesus tonight.
Post by: Jamokachi on December 05, 2017, 09:45:29 AM
Some rumors of Danny Rose going around. 45 million being quoted.
Where?
Post by: boothill on December 05, 2017, 10:37:24 AM
Where?kew gardens
Post by: TheRam on December 05, 2017, 12:57:29 PM
That's not happening like
Post by: Hawkandro on December 05, 2017, 02:46:37 PM
Post by: Bob Sacamano on December 05, 2017, 03:18:37 PM
Post by: Hawkandro on December 05, 2017, 04:50:36 PM
Post by: TheRam on December 05, 2017, 05:15:51 PM
https://twitter.com/Tony_Scott11/status/937991437731459072
No
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 05, 2017, 05:26:05 PM
Post by: Jamokachi on December 05, 2017, 05:27:53 PM
Mirror reporting Van Aanholt, unsurprisingly
They must have been reading the WhatsApp conversation I was just having with an RS mate. The piss taking twat lolol
Post by: Lxxx on December 05, 2017, 05:34:27 PM
Mirror reporting Van Aanholt, unsurprisingly
Someone's agent has been quick off the mark then.
Post by: blargins on December 05, 2017, 05:35:42 PM
Where?
On the internet. Read it in a few articles. One was on that HITC site, but have seen it elsewhere too. Like 99% of rumours, it's got to be bs, but I wouldn't say no if it came off.
Post by: SANA_DR0 on December 05, 2017, 06:23:03 PM
Post by: Goughie on December 05, 2017, 06:32:41 PM
Im 50/50 as he’s not done an awful lot in his career, but has he ever had a meaningful run of back to back matches?
He deffo has the pace that we’re crying out for in the side, but i get the impression that he’s just enjoying collecting his pay packet at Arsenal and living the high life.
Dunno! 🤷♀️
Post by: Shogun on December 05, 2017, 06:40:52 PM
He is a kopite though
Post by: kramer0 on December 05, 2017, 06:44:46 PM
We can, and probably should, do better.
Post by: Danny on December 05, 2017, 06:53:57 PM
Think we should be looking at the 23-26 bracket though now.
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 05, 2017, 07:02:29 PM
https://twitter.com/Dani_Merono/status/937986374418001920
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 05, 2017, 07:04:36 PM
Post by: Brownie20 on December 05, 2017, 07:05:42 PM
I don't read Spanish but I assume this means Valencia want Sandro
https://twitter.com/Dani_Merono/status/937986374418001920
Want a loan deal but SA wants to see what he's about first
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 05, 2017, 07:08:06 PM
http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2017/12/05/report-everton-to-watch-dortmunds-pierre-emerick-aubameyang-in-c/
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 05, 2017, 07:09:26 PM
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/everton-plotting-moves-chelseas-baba-rahman-augsburg-defender-daniel-opare-1650110
Post by: kramer0 on December 05, 2017, 07:10:42 PM
How much money do we have to pump into managers' old favorites before we realize it's a terrible strategy? Hopefully, we’ve already gotten there.
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 05, 2017, 07:58:57 PM
Post by: brap2 on December 05, 2017, 08:05:08 PM
Would bite your hand off for nzonzi but don’t see it.
Post by: stirlingblue on December 05, 2017, 08:07:41 PM
Chilwell doesn’t get in ahead of Fuchs btw.
Just a word of caution re any assumed certainty of getting rid of Baines etc.
Fuchs starts ahead of him for the long throws, Chilwell is definitely the better player
Post by: Lxxx on December 05, 2017, 08:10:38 PM
Post by: GLewis on December 05, 2017, 08:16:19 PM
Fuchs starts ahead of him for the long throws, Chilwell is definitely the better player
That’s a few different managers that have preferred a player for an insignificant skill set for a defender then!
Chilwell looks good on the ball but I’m assuming that they have question marks over his defending (which isn’t a great surprise for his age).
Post by: GLewis on December 05, 2017, 08:17:54 PM
I don't read Spanish but I assume this means Valencia want Sandro
https://twitter.com/Dani_Merono/status/937986374418001920
Yes plus says he’s not settled and his family want him to go back etc.
Valencia want loan with option to buy.
Post by: blueToffee on December 05, 2017, 08:19:14 PM
Yes plus says he’s not settled and his family want him to go back etc.
Valencia want loan with option to buy.
Would be a shame before we can see a bit more of him. You'd have to think the lack of playing time would not help him settle in the slightest.
Hopefully Allardyce is serious about taking a look at him and the others who were pushed to the side.
Post by: Macca77 on December 05, 2017, 08:25:25 PM
Post by: Macca77 on December 05, 2017, 08:34:27 PM
Post by: kramer0 on December 05, 2017, 08:50:43 PM
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 05, 2017, 08:51:07 PM
Yes plus says he’s not settled and his family want him to go back etc.
Valencia want loan with option to buy.
Option to buy at what price though? Surely we wouldn't consider it at the price we paid
Post by: Lxxx on December 05, 2017, 08:56:54 PM
A gang of expensive, post-peak players should sort the club right out.
This is my fear and one I hope Walsh has a remit to avoid.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 05, 2017, 09:17:25 PM
Post by: Mayor Farnum on December 05, 2017, 09:42:17 PM
Giroud has apparently been told by Deschamps that he needs to be playing regularly to stand any chance of getting into the French World Cup squad.
I'd like to see us move on from Giroud now. He's turned us down once and it's not as if he's head and shoulders above what we can attract.
Post by: Lxxx on December 05, 2017, 09:47:27 PM
I'd like to see us move on from Giroud now. He's turned us down once and it's not as if he's head and shoulders above what we can attract.
No but he's about as good as we can attract in January.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 05, 2017, 09:59:20 PM
No but he's about as good as we can attract in January.
If it's quick and a bit cheaper than last time then I have no problem with it. We can't start the whole fucking process again though
Post by: Lxxx on December 05, 2017, 10:04:48 PM
If it's quick and a bit cheaper than last time then I have no problem with it. We can't start the whole fucking process again though
I'm sure he wouldn't want to come for any longer than until the end of the season and depending on how Sam wants to set us up that would work for us too.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 05, 2017, 10:11:22 PM
I'm sure he wouldn't want to come for any longer than until the end of the season and depending on how Sam wants to set us up that would work for us too.
Surely Arsenal wouldn't be too keen on that. Loan with no real chance of getting a fee at the end of it for an older player.
Post by: Mayor Farnum on December 05, 2017, 10:17:36 PM
I'm sure he wouldn't want to come for any longer than until the end of the season and depending on how Sam wants to set us up that would work for us too.
How would that work? Would we pay a fee or would it be a loan?
Post by: Lxxx on December 05, 2017, 10:21:48 PM
Post by: D15TIN on December 05, 2017, 10:26:58 PM
A gang of expensive, post-peak players should sort the club right out.Were 10th, not really an attractive option to great players in their prime, Nzonzi and Walcott would be an improvement on Mirallas and Schneiderlin
Post by: brap2 on December 06, 2017, 12:58:42 AM
That’s a few different managers that have preferred a player for an insignificant skill set for a defender then!
Chilwell looks good on the ball but I’m assuming that they have question marks over his defending (which isn’t a great surprise for his age).
None of Chilwell, Cresswell, Robertson or Shaw have put a season in anywhere close to peak-Baines, but he was a top 5 LB in Europe at his peak so that is understandable tbh.
I think Cresswell is the one I prefer as his passing and crossing can be really good. Heard poor reviews though.
Post by: brap2 on December 06, 2017, 01:01:06 AM
A gang of expensive, post-peak players should sort the club right out.
Nzonzi has 4 years left in him.
Giroud will be better than DCL for another 3 years easily.
Walcott should have another 3 years in him depending on injuries.
I get your point but it’s an easy out when I think those three would be outstanding January signings. We get anywhere near a jan like that and we should be ecstatic.
Post by: BlueNoseMike on December 06, 2017, 03:52:49 AM
None of Chilwell, Cresswell, Robertson or Shaw have put a season in anywhere close to peak-Baines, but he was a top 5 LB in Europe at his peak so that is understandable tbh.
I think Cresswell is the one I prefer as his passing and crossing can be really good. Heard poor reviews though.
To be fair to shaw and chilwell they're about 5 or 6 years younger than peak Baines!
If United go after Rose I'd happily take Shaw. Was a revelation at Southampton, admittedly over hyped too quickly, but has been left out to dry by Jose (Who has history of binning off young players with high ceiling potential).
Reckon he'd be a potential snip at about 20 million
Post by: Toddacelli on December 06, 2017, 02:34:10 PM
We really need Allardyce to get a tune out of the players we've got, before January, if we've any hope of signing decent players with CL aspirations.
Get the current squad playing and the start of the season can be termed a 'blip'. Stink the place out like we have been doing until January and it becomes a 'crisis'. No-one will want to come here and the poor form will continue all season.
Never liked him before, but got to back the manager now.
Post by: Hawkandro on December 06, 2017, 03:04:46 PM
Could see van aanholt deffo. Better than cuco i suppose.
Would bite your hand off for nzonzi but don’t see it.
Sadly, with Nzonzi's kid being in London, I reckon we would be a non-starter if rumours of Arsenal's interest is true.
Post by: Hawkandro on December 06, 2017, 03:06:26 PM
I'd like to see us move on from Giroud now. He's turned us down once and it's not as if he's head and shoulders above what we can attract.
Is Giroud out of contract at the end of the year? If not, I would have said a loan until the end of the season would be ideal.
If he is, then we may have to chuck a whopping great contract at him, but we could probably get a few years out of him.
Post by: Juanito on December 06, 2017, 03:10:07 PM
I don't read Spanish but I assume this means Valencia want Sandro
https://twitter.com/Dani_Merono/status/937986374418001920
Says that Valencia, Atletico and Sevilla want him and he wants them too. Family want him to go back and he is not comfortable at Everton.
All of the above clubs fighting for champions league qualification.
Post by: Hawkandro on December 06, 2017, 03:25:29 PM
Post by: Rodenplav64 on December 06, 2017, 03:30:41 PM
Were 10th, not really an attractive option to great players in their prime, Nzonzi and Walcott would be an improvement on Mirallas and Schneiderlin
Not so long ago Schneiderlin was an improvement on everyone . How you think an enigma like Walcott would take us forward I don't know .
Post by: Lxxx on December 06, 2017, 05:19:39 PM
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on December 06, 2017, 06:31:48 PM
Shame it's not worked out.
They can have him for £20m
Post by: Mayor Farnum on December 06, 2017, 06:47:12 PM
Post by: Paddockoldie on December 06, 2017, 06:54:22 PM
Post by: D_murph0278 on December 06, 2017, 07:02:58 PM
We'll end up with Jason Lee or Kevin Davies though.
Post by: Toddacelli on December 06, 2017, 07:20:30 PM
Shame it's not worked out.
We've not begun to find out if there's a player here yet imo.
He's not going to adjust from the sidelines is he?
If we move him on - even at a profit - before he gets a fair go, I'll be well pissed off -
At Barcelona from 14 years old
Got into the first team and scored 2 in 14 apps
Spent a year at Malaga and scored 14 in 30
Came to us and rotted on the bench.
When we're crying out for goals this is just ridiculous.
Post by: Waltzer on December 06, 2017, 08:07:31 PM
We've not begun to find out if there's a player here yet imo.I wish he had a better crack, the frustration is he'll probably play in a team tomorrow that is full of players out of form or disillusioned in a dead rubber where you're manager isnt even present, doesn't exactly boded well for him. There have certainly been better players than him to have failed at a move but I really thought we had something in the summer when he came in
He's not going to adjust from the sidelines is he?
If we move him on - even at a profit - before he gets a fair go, I'll be well pissed off -
At Barcelona from 14 years old
Got into the first team and scored 2 in 14 apps
Spent a year at Malaga and scored 14 in 30
Came to us and rotted on the bench.
When we're crying out for goals this is just ridiculous.
Post by: Danny on December 06, 2017, 09:06:39 PM
Arkadjusz Milik from Napoli would be a great buy upfront. Not getting a sniff with the front 3 of Mertens, Insigne and Callejon.
We'll end up with Jason Lee or Kevin Davies though.
They’re all quality players ahead of him but is it not because he’s struggled since his leg break as well?
Post by: Hawkandro on December 06, 2017, 10:00:04 PM
We've not begun to find out if there's a player here yet imo.
He's not going to adjust from the sidelines is he?
If we move him on - even at a profit - before he gets a fair go, I'll be well pissed off -
At Barcelona from 14 years old
Got into the first team and scored 2 in 14 apps
Spent a year at Malaga and scored 14 in 30
Came to us and rotted on the bench.
When we're crying out for goals this is just ridiculous.
I agree, 100%. I want to see him and Klaassen afforded every opportunity to settle.
Post by: Toddacelli on December 06, 2017, 10:12:16 PM
I agree, 100%. I want to see him and Klaassen afforded every opportunity to settle.
I'm pretty sure we're gonna be ok this season (i.e. not relegated) so we should use every opportunity to get these two up to speed. They can't do it from the bench.
Post by: mikey_blue on December 06, 2017, 10:43:26 PM
Everything else is pretty much a write off.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 06, 2017, 10:52:41 PM
The only position I think we need is a cover left back. Everything else can wait till summer.
Everything else is pretty much a write off.
Why wait though? Why not get players in now if the right 1s are available
Post by: mikey_blue on December 06, 2017, 11:03:32 PM
Why wait though? Why not get players in now if the right 1s are available
Because no one is going to sell a top striker in January especially teams below us, staying on the premiership is far more valuable than selling their best players for prices they’re not worth.
I agree if the right players are available, then go for it. We don’t need to panic buy a Troy Deeney for 40m though.
Post by: Juanito on December 06, 2017, 11:47:16 PM
Because no one is going to sell a top striker in January especially teams below us, staying on the premiership is far more valuable than selling their best players for prices they’re not worth.
I agree if the right players are available, then go for it. We don’t need to panic buy a Troy Deeney for 40m though.
We can sign players from abroad
Post by: van der Meyde on December 07, 2017, 12:06:29 AM
When we're crying out for goals this is just ridiculous.This hasn't been true for a good two months now.
Can we stop pretending it is?
Post by: mikey_blue on December 07, 2017, 03:21:26 AM
We can sign players from abroad
Not really something we do very often.
Post by: Toddacelli on December 07, 2017, 03:32:52 AM
This hasn't been true for a good two months now.
Can we stop pretending it is?
Nope. Not yet because I disagree.
Rooney gets injured and we're left with the bulk of the goalscoring resting on the shoulders of Niasse.
DCL and Sigurdsson may get a couple but let me repeat that one more time for those in the obstructed view seats:
1 injury away from all our hopes resting on Niasse.
And that's not even mentioning that with Rooney injured we would be less effective in creating goalscoring opportunities.
So are we really not crying out for another goalscorer in the team? Is that sorted now?
Post by: penguinofdoom1878 on December 07, 2017, 03:48:28 AM
Nope. Not yet because I disagree.
Rooney gets injured and we're left with the bulk of the goalscoring resting on the shoulders of Niasse.
DCL and Sigurdsson may get a couple but let me repeat that one more time for those in the obstructed view seats:
1 injury away from all our hopes resting on Niasse.
And that's not even mentioning that with Rooney injured we would be less effective in creating goalscoring opportunities.
So are we really not crying out for another goalscorer in the team? Is that sorted now?
Rooney 8
Niasse 6
Calvert Lewin 5
Baines 3
Sigurdsson 3
Williams 2
Keane 1
Gueye 1
Vlasic 1
Games 27 - Goals 30
im with you we need more goals
Last two months
P 13 W 3 D 2 L 8 F 18 A 29 Diff -11
Although we have scored 13 in our last 6
Post by: van der Meyde on December 07, 2017, 04:41:10 AM
So are we really not crying out for another goalscorer in the team? Is that sorted now?We have scored more goals than 11 other teams in the Premier League. The problems you've listed exist for all bar about 4 teams in the Premier League.
Rooney and Niasse - the "big 6" teams aside - are right there at the top of the top scorers charts. Across all competitions, Calvert-Lewin's scored 6 and made 4. Sandro has scored 1.
You're acting like Sandro hasn't been given a fair crack, but that's not really true. He was given plenty of game time when we were struggling to score and he didn't contribute.
It would be nice to have a fourth striker contributing. Of course it would. But we play one up front. Game time is limited for him because other players have been contributing much more than he has. I'm sorry but that's just the way it works and just the way it should do too.
Post by: Toddacelli on December 07, 2017, 05:03:41 AM
We have scored more goals than 11 other teams in the Premier League. The problems you've listed exist for all bar about 4 teams in the Premier League.
Rooney and Niasse - the "big 6" teams aside - are right there at the top of the top scorers charts. Across all competitions, Calvert-Lewin's scored 6 and made 4. Sandro has scored 1.
You're acting like Sandro hasn't been given a fair crack, but that's not really true. He was given plenty of game time when we were struggling to score and he didn't contribute.
It would be nice to have a fourth striker contributing. Of course it would. But we play one up front. Game time is limited for him because other players have been contributing much more than he has. I'm sorry but that's just the way it works and just the way it should do too.
He has had some game time but not much, and in some games we weren't getting a sniff. I also don't think we've had the right shape or played him in the right way.
So the truth probably lies somewhere in between.
But I'd love to find a way to use him effectively this season.
Post by: bluenuck on December 07, 2017, 12:05:11 PM
We can sign players from abroad
And wait for them to adjust to the PL?
Don't really want another 2-3 guys doing that on top of the 2 we already have.
This is the conundrum we're sort of in right now. Gotta get decent players in in 3 positions. But January isn't exactly the time to buy your 1st choice in those positions, and we need players that can hit the ground running to help us out this season.
It's gonna be players like Reid/shawcross, deeney, and some average left back.
That's what I'm prepared for.
Post by: Lincs Toffee on December 07, 2017, 04:10:01 PM
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on December 08, 2017, 06:31:33 AM
Briefly convinced myself this was possible in the last window.I always refer to the Tevez situation when Utd offered him £140k p/w and City turned his head with £250k, despite finishing 10th season before. And that was before players had the option to earn stupid money in China.
Listen the club isn't in GREAT shape, we think and hope there is better to come but it does feel a bit like we missed our chance. Might have a hard time convincing players to join the "project” of Big Sam finishing 10th...which is why we need some greedy bastard to just take the money.
If this is possible we should do it. Even if he is a pace merchant with attitude issues who's best years are behind him (sorry @kramer0 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4360) that idea is probably enough to make you log off for the evening) it would be our "Robinho' moment imo.
Aubameyang could easily join a top team for £200k p/w so we’d have to offer him £400k to get his attention.
Post by: stirlingblue on December 08, 2017, 01:52:48 PM
Rooney 8
Niasse 6
Calvert Lewin 5
Baines 3
Sigurdsson 3
Williams 2
Keane 1
Gueye 1
Vlasic 1
The only problem I see there is a noticeable lack of goals from a wide position.
We've predominantly played some sort of 4-3-3 this season so you'd hope to see more goals from Lennon/Mirallas/Bolasie etc going forward
Post by: brap2 on December 08, 2017, 03:25:40 PM
The only problem I see there is a noticeable lack of goals from a wide position.
We've predominantly played some sort of 4-3-3 this season so you'd hope to see more goals from Lennon/Mirallas/Bolasie etc going forward
We are in the era of the goalscoring wide forward for sure and are currently lagging behind badly. If only Mirallas has stepped up a few years ago instead of looking like his arse went unfortunately.
Need a Sterling / Sane / Hazard / Willian / Rashford / Salah / Mane type asap - Promes, Berardi, Zaha, Sisto - pace, ability to commit a man, can come inside or out, and finally coach those back toast poacher runs ala Pep with Sterling.
Post by: Lincs Toffee on December 08, 2017, 06:10:39 PM
We are in the era of the goalscoring wide forward for sure and are currently lagging behind badly. If only Mirallas has stepped up a few years ago instead of looking like his arse went unfortunately.Vlasic and Lookman say hi !
Need a Sterling / Sane / Hazard / Willian / Rashford / Salah / Mane type asap - Promes, Berardi, Zaha, Sisto - pace, ability to commit a man, can come inside or out, and finally coach those back toast poacher runs ala Pep with Sterling.
Post by: Bob Sacamano on December 08, 2017, 06:12:55 PM
Vlasic and Lookman say hi !
From the bench. :D
Post by: Lincs Toffee on December 08, 2017, 06:14:32 PM
From the bench. :DUnfortunately yes, but going on last nights performances, they should be there or there about next season.
Post by: brap2 on December 08, 2017, 06:32:16 PM
Vlasic and Lookman say hi !
And Henry and Bolassie and all, but remains to be seen who can and will make it.
Fact is, our starting wingers are probably still Lennon and an out of position Sig.
Post by: mikey_blue on December 08, 2017, 07:24:37 PM
And Henry and Bolassie and all, but remains to be seen who can and will make it.
Fact is, our starting wingers are probably still Lennon and an out of position Sig.
Sig looks to be playing how Barkley played last season, the way he's drifting in from the left, but not really occupying the wing. A horribly unbalanced approach, but has worked for us in the past.
Post by: Lxxx on December 08, 2017, 07:30:01 PM
Post by: blue slug on December 08, 2017, 08:10:31 PM
Post by: Bluedylan on December 08, 2017, 08:48:00 PM
So developing players like Lookman and Vlasic into genuine first team players in the Prem could be a way to make the season mean something, and could help the fans to get onside with the new regime more.
Post by: Shogun on December 09, 2017, 11:10:55 PM
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 09, 2017, 11:16:10 PM
Hope that puts an end to Benteke shoutsJust cost me 180 :(
Post by: Morta75 on December 10, 2017, 08:54:10 PM
Post by: TheRam on December 10, 2017, 11:10:39 PM
Post by: Heisenberg on December 11, 2017, 01:46:42 AM
Post by: Smingers on December 11, 2017, 03:07:02 AM
Post by: Brownie20 on December 11, 2017, 03:14:38 AM
Would love us to get Delph
He's had a bit of a renaissance at City this season hasn't he?
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on December 11, 2017, 04:16:30 AM
We need 2 x LB, 2 x CB and 2 x CF/S.Think Holgate had stepped up so 1 x less CB required.
Post by: Faceatthefence on December 11, 2017, 04:20:42 AM
LB best be due in on the 1st of JanuaryWe clearly need one desperately,id like us to take a look at Jonas Hector at FC Koln.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 11, 2017, 04:23:14 AM
Oh and obviously a forward. Our recruitment was shocking
Post by: Brownie20 on December 11, 2017, 04:31:00 AM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-5162713/Philipp-Max-tracked-Man-United-Liverpool-Tottenham.html#ixzz50mX8npEv
Post by: kramer0 on December 11, 2017, 04:39:26 AM
It reminds me of the Simpsons episode where Homer changes his name to "Max Power.” Which reminds me that there is an actual footballer named Max Power who plays for Wigan.
Back to the player... he has seven assists this season, plays a position of serious need, and he's the right age. I'm intrigued. Don't know much about him, though.
Post by: Smingers on December 11, 2017, 05:28:02 AM
Think Holgate had stepped up so 1 x less CB required.
I would like our CB to be tall and built like fridge freezers. I know Holgate is 6 foot and decent but he's still young and I would prefer a couple of marquee names.
Post by: Brownie20 on December 11, 2017, 05:45:34 AM
I would like our CB to be tall and built like fridge freezers. I know Holgate is 6 foot and decent but he's still young and I would prefer a couple of marquee names.
Like Tent, Teepee or Wigwam?
Post by: brap2 on December 11, 2017, 05:57:49 AM
Would love us to get Delph
To play where?
Post by: sam of the south on December 11, 2017, 06:11:26 AM
ST Aubameyang
LB Chilwell
CB Gibson
Post by: Outworlder47 on December 13, 2017, 01:48:57 AM
(In all seriousness, seems like a decent player in Brazil. 21 year old, 8 goals from the wing this season. His club Grêmio won Copa Libertadores, and is now in the Club World Cup final vs Real Madrid [likely] thanks to that goal.)
Post by: Bluebridge on December 13, 2017, 04:58:09 AM
Could we please sign Everton?Why not, just for the novelty of it.
(In all seriousness, seems like a decent player in Brazil. 21 year old, 8 goals from the wing this season. His club Grêmio won Copa Libertadores, and is now in the Club World Cup final vs Real Madrid [likely] thanks to that goal.)
Post by: Morta75 on December 13, 2017, 03:38:42 PM
Post by: Hawkandro on December 13, 2017, 06:24:46 PM
Should look into this left back from Augsburg, Philipp Max...
After Phillip Max according to the Sunday rags
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-5162713/Philipp-Max-tracked-Man-United-Liverpool-Tottenham.html#ixzz50mX8npEv
Post by: Cereal Killer on December 13, 2017, 11:29:25 PM
Post by: mikey_blue on December 14, 2017, 12:01:47 AM
Any actual links to players that aren't also linked to Man Utd/Spurs/Chelsea/Arsenal with us as a side note or aren't Troy Deeney??
Van Aanholt, Game Changer.
Post by: Bluedylan on December 14, 2017, 12:07:28 AM
Van Aanholt, Game Changer.
Changing a winning team into a losing one.
Post by: D15TIN on December 14, 2017, 12:16:59 AM
Van Aanholt, Game Changer.Doesn't even get in the Palace XI - tbf probably just lazy journalism - Everton need a LB - Allardyce signed PVA for Palace 2+2=5
Post by: mikey_blue on December 14, 2017, 12:27:57 AM
Doesn't even get in the Palace XI - tbf probably just lazy journalism - Everton need a LB - Allardyce signed PVA for Palace 2+2=5
Too be fair, he's probably better than Martina, but I'd prefer us to get Garbutt back in the squad instead.
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 14, 2017, 12:40:39 AM
Too be fair, he's probably better than Martina, but I'd prefer us to get Garbutt back in the squad instead.Garbutt couldn't get a game on loan in the championship or league one
Post by: Macca77 on December 14, 2017, 12:55:14 AM
Post by: mikey_blue on December 14, 2017, 12:58:45 AM
Garbutt couldn't get a game on loan in the championship or league one
Takes a good corner though.
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 14, 2017, 01:08:14 AM
Takes a good corner though.Ah right, sound, let's get him in and take that lad we paid 45m off them
Post by: Hawkandro on December 14, 2017, 05:35:54 PM
Van Aanholt, Game Changer.
City want him too, apparently.
Linked with Jann-Fiete Arp, along with Tottenham. Considering Harry Kane is his hero, if true, we can probably give up on that one too.
Post by: Tofifee on December 14, 2017, 06:44:10 PM
Post by: American Evertonian on December 15, 2017, 01:30:05 AM
Post by: oztoffee on December 15, 2017, 02:54:23 AM
Anybody here think we wont be linked with Andy Carroll all thru January?God I hope not. Nor Benteke. Nor Deeney.
Post by: Bob Sacamano on December 15, 2017, 02:57:00 AM
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 15, 2017, 03:07:32 AM
Post by: Cassius on December 15, 2017, 03:53:29 AM
I thought Andy Carroll had died?
You're thinking of Keith Chegwin.
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on December 15, 2017, 04:33:46 AM
I thought Andy Carroll had died?
That’s Roy Carroll
Post by: Ross on December 15, 2017, 04:56:10 AM
You're thinking of Keith Chegwin.
...“wey hey!!”
Post by: blueToffee on December 15, 2017, 06:22:56 AM
Post by: Bluedylan on December 15, 2017, 06:51:12 AM
Post by: gizzblue on December 15, 2017, 06:52:03 AM
Post by: Jamokachi on December 15, 2017, 06:59:13 AM
Has to be a half decent striker who wants world cup ...but ain't getting enough first team footy somewhere .
I wonder who fits that criteria...
Post by: howard1334 on December 15, 2017, 07:25:58 AM
Doesn't even get in the Palace XI - tbf probably just lazy journalism - Everton need a LB - Allardyce signed PVA for Palace 2+2=5
If we are looking to bring in two LBs then one will need to be comfortable being a backup.
Post by: burkey17 on December 15, 2017, 07:39:50 AM
Post by: brap2 on December 15, 2017, 03:33:12 PM
Post by: sam of the south on December 15, 2017, 03:49:03 PM
Throw the cheque book at Wilf Zaha.
Haha, shortening it to Wilf makes him sound like some old bloke at a bus stop
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 15, 2017, 03:55:39 PM
Throw the cheque book at Wilf Zaha.
Quality player. Think we'd be talking 50m minimum in this crazy market though. Sort of player who should have been the target in the summer instead of pissing around with slow 10s
Post by: brap2 on December 15, 2017, 04:10:37 PM
Quality player. Think we'd be talking 50m minimum in this crazy market though. Sort of player who should have been the target in the summer instead of pissing around with slow 10s
Would pay that without hesitation.
Post by: Brownie20 on December 15, 2017, 04:15:54 PM
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 15, 2017, 04:31:55 PM
Would pay that without hesitation.
Me too. Loved his quick feet midweek for their winner. Absolutely what we need. Even at 50 though I'm not convinced they'd be tempted.
Post by: brap2 on December 15, 2017, 04:34:16 PM
Me too. Loved his quick feet midweek for their winner. Absolutely what we need. Even at 50 though I'm not convinced they'd be tempted.
Haven’t they got dodgy owners?
Wonder if 40+Bolassie would tempt them.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 15, 2017, 04:50:19 PM
Haven’t they got dodgy owners?
Wonder if 40+Bolassie would tempt them.
Don't want to lose bolasie. He's currently the only player we've got with pace and trickery (who's not a kid) we need to be adding to it.
We are well short attacking wise currently. Not 1 player the top 6 would even look twice at. We need a striker, winger and a number 10 (another) of real quality
Post by: gizzblue on December 15, 2017, 04:57:40 PM
Throw the cheque book at Wilf Zaha.Not for me the amount he dives ,for us he would be banned for half a season plus we would get rinsed by Palace and Woy.
Vlasic needs more time as does Sandro 21 mins In league games is not enough to bed a player in.
Would have a pop for luke Shaw ,Vvd and Charlie Austin(as a second striker)
.
Post by: ally2 on December 15, 2017, 05:18:16 PM
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 15, 2017, 05:29:27 PM
Not for me the amount he dives ,for us he would be banned for half a season plus we would get rinsed by Palace and Woy.
Vlasic needs more time as does Sandro 21 mins In league games is not enough to bed a player in.
Would have a pop for luke Shaw ,Vvd and Charlie Austin(as a second striker)
.
We've zero chance of VVD
Post by: Macca77 on December 15, 2017, 05:31:53 PM
We've zero chance of VVD
And Zaha
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 15, 2017, 05:35:54 PM
And Zaha
Well probably but least he's not being linked with Utd City and Liverpool. He's much more our current level than VVD
Post by: gizzblue on December 15, 2017, 05:38:38 PM
We've zero chance of VVDWould annoy the shite though either way 😅
Post by: cantoffee on December 15, 2017, 06:24:28 PM
Summer would be more possible but I do think he would be a good addition and has plenty of good years ahead of him as well.
Post by: Makis on December 15, 2017, 07:03:04 PM
Haven’t they got dodgy owners?So you value Zaha at 60+ million?
Wonder if 40+Bolassie would tempt them.
Post by: brap2 on December 15, 2017, 07:05:47 PM
So you value Zaha at 60+ million?
Ive said a few times I’ve totally lost interest in value in football players. What matters is moving the club forward, it may aswell be Monopoly money to me.
Post by: therealdunc on December 15, 2017, 11:46:55 PM
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 15, 2017, 11:55:46 PM
We have been linked with Bobby Reid of Bristol City
You know anything about him? I've never heard of him
Post by: Outworlder47 on December 16, 2017, 12:20:59 AM
You know anything about him? I've never heard of him
Was more of a true central midfielder before this season. He's now moved much further up the pitch, often playing behind the main striker. He's also been the lone man up top in a few matches. Played 1862 of 1890 possible minutes, bagged 10 in 21.
Seems to be very much the poacher and someone who runs the channels, rather than someone who plays with his back toward goal. Only 5'7", so he'd likely not be too effective in that role. Bristol City's manager calls him a "nine and a half".
It's not the greatest of sources for these sorts of things, but Transfermarkt indicates he has an option for next year on his current deal. Not sure if that's a player, club, or mutual option though. Bristol City are also apparently wanting Liam Walsh for ~£1M. So maybe there's a deal to be had here, especially if Reid could leave for nothing in the summer.
Post by: TheRam on December 16, 2017, 01:06:55 AM
Post by: EVERTON 66 on December 16, 2017, 01:10:43 AM
LB best be due in on the 1st of JanuaryWe can register like garbutt in January so have some cover.
Post by: EVERTON 66 on December 16, 2017, 01:13:48 AM
We clearly need one desperately,id like us to take a look at Jonas Hector at FC Koln.Jerome roussilon (Montpellier) for me can play LB CB OR LW.
Post by: EVERTON 66 on December 16, 2017, 01:20:15 AM
January might be more about moving people on, and trimming the massive squad, with just a couple coming in in the necessary areas.Agree cutting the squad to make room for some astute additions sounds the way to go to me.
Post by: Makis on December 16, 2017, 02:22:51 AM
Ive said a few times I've totally lost interest in value in football players. What matters is moving the club forward, it may aswell be Monopoly money to me.So we sign him and maybe Kone for the remaining ten million. Happy?
Post by: BlueForYou on December 17, 2017, 12:30:42 AM
Post by: Faceatthefence on December 19, 2017, 03:49:19 AM
Post by: Fynci on December 19, 2017, 04:14:39 AM
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 19, 2017, 04:24:06 AM
Post by: School of Science on December 19, 2017, 04:25:20 AM
Post by: Macca77 on December 19, 2017, 04:26:14 AM
Lad in tef saying a left back and a centre forward WILL be brought in
Any names mentioned
Post by: kramer0 on December 19, 2017, 04:26:42 AM
Lad in tef saying a left back and a centre forward WILL be brought in
We don't need much more. Might be able to get away with just a left back, honestly.
The summer is a better time for bigger moves.
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 19, 2017, 04:28:05 AM
We don't need much more. Might be able to get away with just a left back, honestly.Still think we need a cf, massively
The summer is a better time for bigger moves.
Post by: Smingers on December 19, 2017, 04:29:56 AM
Post by: Lxxx on December 19, 2017, 04:30:29 AM
Still think we need a cf, massively
We do need one, but in a second half of the season where there's not much at stake nor to play for then it might be wise to keep our powder dry until the summer.
Post by: Heisenberg on December 19, 2017, 04:32:13 AM
We do need one, but in a second half of the season where there's not much at stake nor to play for then it might be wise to keep our powder dry until the summer.
More so if theres no real intention of keeping Allardyce beyond the summer. Add bolasie, barkley? and coleman. Buy one left back and that team should be good enough to get europa
Post by: TheRam on December 19, 2017, 04:33:33 AM
Same with the likes of Holgate, Davies and Kenny.
Weve got a lot of players to come back and I think we're finishing top 8 quite comfortably.
Anyone that comes in January won't make that much of a difference.
Post by: Toddacelli on December 19, 2017, 04:34:57 AM
If we get into Europa spots it will mean a world of difference to our sumer window.
Post by: Outworlder47 on December 19, 2017, 04:36:10 AM
We don't need much more. Might be able to get away with just a left back, honestly.
The summer is a better time for bigger moves.
Agreed, aside from another threat up front and maybe a backup LB, we're actually in decent shape from a squad perspective. Baines, Coleman, Funes Mori, McCarthy, and Bolasie are all set to return. (Plus Barkley, technically, though I have my doubts he plays for Everton again.) We're in need of a bit of a trim, so I'd not be surprised if we see a 3-out, 1-in window, with a net profit from the window.
Post by: Macca77 on December 19, 2017, 04:37:22 AM
Post by: Lxxx on December 19, 2017, 04:38:07 AM
I'd rather we kept with DCL up top and let him continue his development.
Same with the likes of Holgate, Davies and Kenny.
Weve got a lot of players to come back and I think we're finishing top 8 quite comfortably.
Anyone that comes in January won't make that much of a difference.
I'd agree with that. We could also bank some decent cash for the summer if any club are in panic mode and want to offer decent money for the likes of Mirallas, Klaassan, McCarthy etc... and Barkley eventually goes. Coleman and Bolasie will be like two new signings to bed in as well.
Post by: bluenuck on December 19, 2017, 05:10:37 AM
But No stop gaps are needed now, with maybe the exception of a left footed defender. As we look to be finishing comfortably mid table or a little better.
Post by: Cereal Killer on December 19, 2017, 05:11:34 AM
4 games ago DCL was shit and Championship standard at best, and now we don't even need a striker in Jan and we should still be getting Europa League
Wonder which way the wind will blow if Chelsea hump us
Post by: bluenuck on December 19, 2017, 05:13:44 AM
lolol got to love the fickle fans
4 games ago DCL was shit and Championship standard at best, and now we don't even need a striker in Jan and we should still be getting Europa League
Wonder which way the wind will blow if Chelsea hump us
I don't think people think he's this world class player. He's just good enough to get us through the rest of this season so we don't have to blow our wads on a player like Rondon to help keep us up.
In the summer we 100% will need a striker.
Post by: Hawkandro on December 19, 2017, 04:11:43 PM
Other than that, if the choice is DCL or one of Carroll, Deeney or Benteke, I would rather let DCL continue up front. Fuck wasting £40m+ on one of those.
Post by: Macca77 on December 19, 2017, 04:35:21 PM
Carroll is an overrated injury prone shitehawk, anyone who calls their child Wolf Nine can fuck right off
Benteke is bang average
Save the money until the summer.
Post by: Lincs Toffee on December 19, 2017, 04:55:54 PM
Post by: Dr. Sponge on December 19, 2017, 05:58:26 PM
Sandro... fuck knows what's happened there. He must look awful in training for 3 different managers to not fancy him.
So that leaves DCL as our only option. I like him, but we need to add another striker in January 100%. A striker that improves the team preferably, but whether that's viable or not is yet to be seen. If it was me, the least I would do is bring in a central striker on the same level as DCL, for fresh legs and rotation.
Post by: GLewis on December 19, 2017, 06:01:02 PM
I fail to believe that there’s not a decent forward out there available for loan to provide some competition / insurance.
Post by: Macca77 on December 19, 2017, 06:04:18 PM
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 19, 2017, 06:10:25 PM
Any names mentionedOnly that it's defo not Deeney
Post by: Macca77 on December 19, 2017, 06:13:45 PM
Only that it's defo not Deeney
(http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/2013/12/partying.gif)
Post by: mikey_blue on December 19, 2017, 06:24:12 PM
Post by: Lxxx on December 20, 2017, 03:28:30 AM
Post by: Mayor Farnum on December 20, 2017, 03:37:05 AM
Post by: blueToffee on December 20, 2017, 03:46:34 AM
That plus a LB would probably suffice now. I thought we'd be a lot, lot busier a few weeks ago though.
Post by: indiantoffee1975 on December 20, 2017, 04:22:03 AM
Post by: TheRam on December 20, 2017, 04:24:30 AM
Post by: Macca77 on December 20, 2017, 05:09:31 AM
Vokes from Burnley. People may laugh but think he would be quite an effective player. Fit right into Sams tactics playing the long ball.
Behave yourself
Post by: Lxxx on December 20, 2017, 12:45:21 PM
Vokes from Burnley. People may laugh but think he would be quite an effective player. Fit right into Sams tactics playing the long ball.
The truth is someone of that ilk would probably do reasonably well. The issue is we’ve just come from Lukaku leading the line so most players who are willing to sign for us will seem like a massive comedown from there.
Which is why I think we need 7th spot and hopefully European football again, to remodel the squad with a requisite standard of player.
Post by: Macca77 on December 20, 2017, 01:30:32 PM
Post by: Bluedylan on December 20, 2017, 01:50:49 PM
Post by: Waltzer on December 20, 2017, 02:44:59 PM
I think it’s all very well saying let’s leave DCL there but a) what if he’s injured / suspended? b) what if his form dips (which is likely given age)?
I fail to believe that there’s not a decent forward out there available for loan to provide some competition / insurance.
Without being too critical I dont his form dipping is the major issue, hes really not good enough on top form at this point to be the main man in any Premiership team. Hes done we'll but it wouldnt be too hard, given our current financial backing, to improve. In the future who knows, but we need to think about the hear and now.
Post by: loroloco on December 20, 2017, 03:05:10 PM
Post by: Hawkandro on December 20, 2017, 06:26:30 PM
There's a reason Vokes can't get into the Burnley team, he's shit, I'm 41 and overweight and still better than him
OK, what's your salary demands?
Post by: Macca77 on December 20, 2017, 06:35:38 PM
OK, what's your salary demands?
10k a week and all the cold sausage rolls I can eat
Post by: Tofifee on December 20, 2017, 06:36:20 PM
Giroud - altho this hammer could hamper that
Welbeck - would be a great signing I think, regular starter, would score bags of goals for us
Batshuyai - Cant see Chelsea selling, of if they did, him wanting to come to Everton
Ings - Could make sense if fit? Worth a look?
Deeney - no way, no focking way, just no
Dembele - for less than 20m at the moment it seems, would be a great signing i think, but again, will we spend 20 and will he come?
Llorente- Getting no go atall at Tottenham, with Gylfi in the side could be a huge singing, might happen?
Post by: Lxxx on December 20, 2017, 06:37:39 PM
a few striker options
Giroud - altho this hammer could hamper that
Welbeck - would be a great signing I think, regular starter, would score bags of goals for us
Batshuyai - Cant see Chelsea selling, of if they did, him wanting to come to Everton
Ings - Could make sense if fit? Worth a look?
Deeney - no way, no focking way, just no
Dembele - for less than 20m at the moment it seems, would be a great signing i think, but again, will we spend 20 and will he come?
Soldado- Getting no go atall at Tottenham, with Gylfi in the side could be a huge singing, might happen?
I don't think sending over an enquiry to Levy for Soldado will get us anywhere to be honest.
Post by: Macca77 on December 20, 2017, 06:38:43 PM
Post by: MIG on December 20, 2017, 06:40:34 PM
Soldado- Getting no go atall at TottenhamHasn't got a game at Tottenham in like 2 and a half years, wonder why? .....
Post by: bogie on December 20, 2017, 06:40:45 PM
a few striker options
Giroud - altho this hammer could hamper that
Welbeck - would be a great signing I think, regular starter, would score bags of goals for us
Batshuyai - Cant see Chelsea selling, of if they did, him wanting to come to Everton
Ings - Could make sense if fit? Worth a look?
Deeney - no way, no focking way, just no
Dembele - for less than 20m at the moment it seems, would be a great signing i think, but again, will we spend 20 and will he come?
Soldado- Getting no go atall at Tottenham, with Gylfi in the side could be a huge singing, might happen?
are you sure about the last one , mybe go way and think about it for about -3 years
Post by: Gash on December 20, 2017, 06:56:51 PM
Post by: Tofifee on December 20, 2017, 07:03:21 PM
Hasn't got a game at Tottenham in like 2 and a half years, wonder why? .....
:)
you fuckers knew I mean Llorente!!!!
My bad my bad!
you fuckers knew too!!! lolol lolol lolol lolol
Post by: Tofifee on December 20, 2017, 07:04:10 PM
Danny Welbeck hasn't scored loads of goals playing for Man Utd and Arsenal so I can't see him doing it for us. Not even 50 goals in over 200 appearances.Hasnt started regularly for either though, would be main man for us
still young enough also
I would see him as an ideal striker
Post by: Lxxx on December 20, 2017, 07:11:23 PM
Hasnt started regularly for either though, would be main man for us
still young enough also
I would see him as an ideal striker
He's never fit. Less than 200 appearances in a 10 year career is pretty shite.
Post by: Gash on December 20, 2017, 07:12:22 PM
Hasnt started regularly for either though
Yeah, there's a couple of reasons for that as well. He's not very good and he's always getting injured, yet they'd probably still want 50 million for a player who's never managed 10 Premier League goals in a season.
Post by: Macca77 on December 20, 2017, 07:15:47 PM
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 20, 2017, 09:34:30 PM
Post by: D15TIN on December 20, 2017, 10:53:03 PM
Striker - Dembele
Left Back - Shaw
CB - De Vrij
CM/DM - Nzonzi
Post by: indiantoffee1975 on December 21, 2017, 01:25:52 AM
Behave yourself
Just like stop with the Allardyce shouts. Behave yourself.
Post by: TheRam on December 21, 2017, 04:31:53 AM
Joe Bryan is his name.
Post by: Bob Sacamano on December 21, 2017, 04:36:07 AM
Linked with the Bristol City left back who scored against United tonight.
Joe Bryan is his name.
Was a good hit.
Post by: Trublue on December 21, 2017, 03:12:17 PM
Post by: blargins on December 21, 2017, 03:26:19 PM
Post by: TheTone on December 21, 2017, 06:16:07 PM
Walcott’s name being branded around again. He’d be a decent option for around 2 mill.
Fixed
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 21, 2017, 07:18:05 PM
Post by: brap2 on December 21, 2017, 07:23:56 PM
James Tomkins is a grim thought
I’ll kick off
Post by: TheRam on December 21, 2017, 07:28:44 PM
James Tomkins is a grim thought
Errrr what?
Post by: Macca77 on December 21, 2017, 07:29:56 PM
James Tomkins is a grim thought
Fuck right off
Post by: blargins on December 21, 2017, 07:31:58 PM
Errrr what?
Big Sam after him according to HITC, so don't worry too much.
Post by: TheRam on December 21, 2017, 07:51:49 PM
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 21, 2017, 08:29:24 PM
Can we quote shit newspapers?
Post by: Hawkandro on December 21, 2017, 10:03:22 PM
Fuck off. Fuck off a bit more. Little bit more. Keeping fucking off.
Post by: School of Science on December 21, 2017, 11:02:17 PM
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 21, 2017, 11:16:30 PM
He's just not any good full stop. Don't want us to be linked to him by accident, West Ham is he still there ? Deserve him.Palace ain't he
Post by: Ross on December 21, 2017, 11:22:18 PM
He's just not any good full stop. Don't want us to be linked to him by accident, West Ham is he still there ? Deserve him.
Palace now but Allardyce has managed him at both clubs.
....Maybe they share the same agent?
Post by: School of Science on December 21, 2017, 11:59:50 PM
Palace now but Allardyce has managed him at both clubs.
....Maybe they share the same agent?
...Oh dear, hope there's fuck all in this.
Post by: Bluedylan on December 22, 2017, 12:02:39 AM
He's got money now and a bigger, more attractive club. The Van Aanholts etc of this world can fuck right off. He's not even getting in the Palace team.
Post by: Ross on December 22, 2017, 12:48:21 AM
...Oh dear, hope there's fuck all in this.
Nah, he’s only just got the job he’s not going to put it in jeopardy so soon is he.
Post by: Gash on December 22, 2017, 12:54:33 AM
Post by: gizzblue on December 22, 2017, 12:57:32 AM
Doubt there is fuck all in it tbh.
Post by: brap2 on December 22, 2017, 05:01:55 AM
Allardyce has basically confirmed it by not mentioning it during his press conference. If was bullshit he'd have said it was bullshit. nod
Wassat
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 22, 2017, 05:17:12 AM
Allardyce has basically confirmed it by not mentioning it during his press conference. If was bullshit he'd have said it was bullshit. nodIt's happening
I just tweeted meis and he ignored me
Post by: Gash on December 22, 2017, 05:21:55 AM
It's happening
I just tweeted meis and he ignored me
Post by: ally2 on December 22, 2017, 05:31:13 AM
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 22, 2017, 05:32:20 AM
Isn't johnny Evans out of contract in January or something? Maybe worth a shout as jags will surely be gone next summerIs anyone out of contract in January?
Post by: TheRam on December 22, 2017, 05:43:49 AM
Isn't johnny Evans out of contract in January or something? Maybe worth a shout as jags will surely be gone next summer
Should've signed him years ago.
He's wasted at west Brom while we're stumbling along with Ashley Williams.
Post by: Gash on December 22, 2017, 05:46:56 AM
Isn't johnny Evans out of contract in January or something? Maybe worth a shout as jags will surely be gone next summer
18 months left but apparently WBA are willing to sell of the right offer comes in for him.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42448754
Post by: brap2 on December 22, 2017, 06:01:43 AM
Post by: Hawkandro on December 22, 2017, 02:30:21 PM
Isn't johnny Evans out of contract in January or something? Maybe worth a shout as jags will surely be gone next summer
I've heard we have agreed a deal with WBA for Evans, but we hadn't spoken to the player himself that time.
Post by: Thornton_19 on December 22, 2017, 03:09:01 PM
Post by: Paddockoldie on December 22, 2017, 03:15:20 PM
Move on. Sam likes Mowson and has managed him before so it's more likely to be him.
Post by: DanDan on December 22, 2017, 03:53:40 PM
Post by: Macca77 on December 22, 2017, 07:54:09 PM
Post by: Lxxx on December 22, 2017, 07:58:48 PM
https://twitter.com/philkecho/status/944200771603746816
Ooh err.
Post by: Waltzer on December 22, 2017, 08:00:31 PM
https://twitter.com/philkecho/status/944200771603746816
Isnt he out injured for a few months anyway?
Post by: Waltzer on December 22, 2017, 08:01:59 PM
Ross Barkley has stepped up his recovery from a serious hamstring injury by returning to Everton first-team training.
The Academy graduate was given a warm round of applause by coaching staff and his teammates as he made his way onto the pitch at USM Finch Farm.
Midfielder Barkley tore the muscle during a training session back in August, one month after undergoing an operation on a groin problem which had ruled him out of the start of his team’s season.
The 24-year-old's most recent outing for the Blues came on the final day of last term at Arsenal – one week after he scored the only goal of the game as Everton rounded off their 2016/17 Goodison Park campaign with a 1-0 victory over Watford.
Earlier this month Barkley posted an image of the scar caused by surgery to his hamstring on social media, with the accompanying message ‘not long now’.
Boss Sam Allardyce has promised not to rush the Wavertree-born Academy graduate's return, with Barkley likely to follow the path back into action taken by fellow long-term absentee Yannick Bolasie, who has launched his playing comeback with the Blues’ Under-23 team.
Barkley made his Everton debut as a 17-year-old on the opening day of the 2011/12 season and has scored 21 Premier League goals in 150 appearances for the Club.
He made 36 top-flight appearances last term and was directly involved in 14 goals as the Blues finished seventh in the Premier League table.
Post by: mikey_blue on December 22, 2017, 10:30:11 PM
Post by: Bluedylan on December 22, 2017, 10:38:57 PM
Post by: blue slug on December 22, 2017, 10:46:15 PM
Being linked with Jean Seri. He'd be a great signing.
Is he the centre mud from nice? Looks a good player
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 22, 2017, 10:49:39 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/dec/22/manchester-united-ryan-sessegnon-prepare-bid-fulham
Would love him. The story didn't link us though (or did I miss it)
Surely we are as good a proposal to him as Utd and Spurs. Based on the fact we can offer more opportunities in the short term? Don't think it would be that hard a sell to tempt a kid here rather than a top 6 side
Post by: Bluedylan on December 22, 2017, 10:53:51 PM
Would love him. The story didn't link us though (or did I miss it)
Surely we are as good a proposal to him as Utd and Spurs. Based on the fact we can offer more opportunities in the short term? Don't think it would be that hard a sell to tempt a kid here rather than a top 6 side
No link for us, no. Just posting it cos he often gets suggested on here, but might have missed the boat.
Post by: TheRam on December 22, 2017, 11:23:32 PM
Being linked with Jean Seri. He'd be a great signing.
Got a few boss midfielders I wouldn't mind us going after.
Cyprian looks a player
Post by: TheRam on December 23, 2017, 01:33:20 AM
Allardyce was the man that brought him to West Ham.
I like him, but not sure if he's Everton quality.
Post by: Makis on December 23, 2017, 01:46:20 AM
Is he the centre mud from nice? Looks a good playerHe's absolutely gravel.
Post by: plumber on December 23, 2017, 03:03:41 AM
Post by: Alanvideo on December 23, 2017, 03:28:31 AM
He's absolutely gravel...............we haven't made a concrete offer yet.
Post by: Shogun on December 23, 2017, 03:43:41 AM
Can see us going for Cresswell.
Allardyce was the man that brought him to West Ham.
I like him, but not sure if he's Everton quality.
He's a bad bad kopite
Post by: TheRam on December 23, 2017, 04:20:43 AM
He's a bad bad kopite
So are you
😘
Post by: Makis on December 23, 2017, 04:40:36 AM
Post by: Cozzie on December 23, 2017, 05:03:50 AM
Post by: blargins on December 23, 2017, 05:13:45 AM
Oh and Sammy Lee...
Post by: sam of the south on December 23, 2017, 05:18:31 AM
Only joking ;)
Post by: Smingers on December 24, 2017, 02:14:17 AM
Post by: Lxxx on December 24, 2017, 03:44:02 AM
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 24, 2017, 03:54:32 AM
I'm ashamed to say I completely under-estimated Harry Maguire, thought he was a bit of a clogger at Hull. Looks a snip at half the cost of a Michael Keane.
Cracking player. Think most judged him on his odd face than his actual performances. Ball playing centre half and 90% on here claimed he was a clogger
Post by: sam of the south on December 24, 2017, 04:00:47 AM
Cracking player. Think most judged him on his odd face than his actual performances. Ball playing centre half and 90% on here claimed he was a clogger
Pretty good turn of pace, too, and likes his forays out of defence with the ball and protects it well when he does.
I wanted both him and Keane, or him and Gibson.
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on December 24, 2017, 05:25:41 AM
Ball playing centre half and 90% on here claimed he was a clogger
::)
I must have missed that poll.
Post by: Alanvideo on December 24, 2017, 05:46:31 AM
I'm ashamed to say I completely under-estimated Harry Maguire, thought he was a bit of a clogger at Hull. Looks a snip at half the cost of a Michael Keane......................yes ,guilty as charged.
Post by: Bob Sacamano on December 24, 2017, 06:22:10 AM
Post by: sam of the south on December 24, 2017, 06:27:11 AM
Not really, that was Alan Partridge.
I decided to come up with two Everton XI's, convert Besic into a left-back, because he's got pace and likes a 'tackle', and then wondered which side would win if all were fit and playing with some confidence.
What do you reckon?
(Didn't know where else to put it, but was certain it didn't deserve its own thread)
Pickford
Kenny Holgate Keane Besic
Schneiderlin
Vlasic Sigurdsson
Bolasie Sandro Lookman
Niasse Calvert-Lewin
Klaassen
Rooney Davies
Gana
Baines Williams Jagielka Coleman
Robles
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 24, 2017, 06:41:16 AM
Erm, got a bit bored and dismantled my Corby Trouser Press.I reckon you need to get out pal. Play some scrabble (nudge nudge) Do some rhymes and that
Not really, that was Alan Partridge.
I decided to come up with two Everton XI's, convert Besic into a left-back, because he's got pace and likes a 'tackle', and then wondered which side would win if all were fit and playing with some confidence.
What do you reckon?
(Didn't know where else to put it, but was certain it didn't deserve its own thread)
Pickford
Kenny Holgate Keane Besic
Schneiderlin
Vlasic Sigurdsson
Bolasie Sandro Lookman
Niasse Calvert-Lewin
Klaassen
Rooney Davies
Gana
Baines Williams Jagielka Coleman
Robles
Braaaaap braaaaaap
Post by: sam of the south on December 24, 2017, 06:50:49 AM
I reckon you need to get out pal. Play some scrabble (nudge nudge) Do some rhymes and that
Braaaaap braaaaaap
Leave @brap2 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=666) out of this, James 😁
I've been daddying for five days solid now, too many kids films 😩
Anyway, who'd you think would win, Jimmy?
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 24, 2017, 07:30:31 AM
Leave @brap2 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=666) out of this, JamesI've been daddy day care today, well after the game and I am sofiad out sorry pal
I've been daddying for five days solid now, too many kids films
Anyway, who'd you think would win, Jimmy?
Interesting mix of players
Post by: pjk on December 24, 2017, 11:37:42 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cenk_Tosun
Post by: Danny on December 25, 2017, 12:08:43 AM
Anyone heard anything about this guy. Twitter rumours. :)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cenk_Tosun
Turned down a move to Palace in the summer but is pretty highly rated.
Post by: brap2 on December 25, 2017, 12:13:06 AM
Herving Lozano, Cenk Tosun, Stefan de Vrij, Mousa Dembele, Jean Serri
Bet @kramer0 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4360) is pulling himself off to a naughty collage of radar graphs as we speak.
Post by: MexicanToffee on December 25, 2017, 01:22:26 AM
Very rated, liking the look of some of our rumours!
Herving Lozano, Cenk Tosun, Stefan de Vrij, Mousa Dembele, Jean Serri
Bet @kramer0 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4360) is pulling himself off to a naughty collage of radar graphs as we speak.
HA HA Herving Lozano...you just made two people pass out from laughing in my house. If Barcelona or Real Madrid don't take him then the I will be very surprised. The rest of Mexico will be in absolute shock.
Post by: School of Science on December 25, 2017, 01:43:47 AM
.....................yes ,guilty as charged.
Exactly the same, a monster defender great in the air and quick on the grass, with the added bonus be scores goals. Beginning to think we got the wrong Leicester scout.
Post by: Fynci on December 25, 2017, 01:56:23 AM
Very rated, liking the look of some of our rumours!
Herving Lozano, Cenk Tosun, Stefan de Vrij, Mousa Dembele, Jean Serri
Bet @kramer0 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4360) is pulling himself off to a naughty collage of radar graphs as we speak.
It doesn’t matter who we are rumoured to be interested in if we end up with Troy Deeney.
Post by: brap2 on December 25, 2017, 01:59:13 AM
HA HA Herving Lozano...you just made two people pass out from laughing in my house. If Barcelona or Real Madrid don't take him then the I will be very surprised. The rest of Mexico will be in absolute shock.
Yeah I would be literally blown away if we got Chucky but I was specifically talking about the quality of players we’ve been linked with in rumours, not what I think is likely.
P.s would have Rijkard and Neres an all but I don’t see that happening either.
Post by: MexicanToffee on December 25, 2017, 02:05:44 AM
Yeah I would be literally blown away if we got Chucky but I was specifically talking about the quality of players we’ve been linked with in rumours, not what I think is likely.
P.s would have Rijkard and Neres an all but I don’t see that happening either.
It's Christmas brap, we are allowed to dream.
Post by: pjk on December 25, 2017, 04:47:58 AM
https://twitter.com/firatgunayer/status/945033322140454912
Reached an agreement with Everton, Cenk Tosun.. 14 million pounds offer from the Club. '' All right '' If you can call it that, Cenk Tosun, January Premier League.
Post by: KingdingalingNL on December 25, 2017, 04:49:36 AM
Yeah I would be literally blown away if we got Chucky but I was specifically talking about the quality of players we’ve been linked with in rumours, not what I think is likely.
P.s would have Rijkard and Neres an all but I don’t see that happening either.
I hope you mean Kluivert as Rijkaard is over the hill if you ask me 😉
Post by: Brownie20 on December 25, 2017, 04:49:49 AM
It seems we've made an offer for this guy Cenk_Tosun. :)
https://twitter.com/firatgunayer/status/945033322140454912
Reached an agreement with Everton, Cenk Tosun.. 14 million pounds offer from the Club. '' All right '' If you can call it that, Cenk Tosun, January Premier League.
Turkish forward eh?
Post by: pjk on December 25, 2017, 04:52:19 AM
Turkish forward eh?
Yeah. From what I can gather it looks on. The tweets are all from Turkish fans so I've not much idea how the threads working out, but I've seen Niasse mentioned. Maybe he's part of the deal.
https://twitter.com/firatgunayer/status/945033322140454912
Post by: Goaljira on December 25, 2017, 05:14:26 AM
It seems we've made an offer for this guy Cenk_Tosun. :)
https://twitter.com/firatgunayer/status/945033322140454912
Reached an agreement with Everton, Cenk Tosun.. 14 million pounds offer from the Club. '' All right '' If you can call it that, Cenk Tosun, January Premier League.
Cenk Tosun'la? With a name like that he was born to play for us.
Post by: EVERTON 66 on December 25, 2017, 05:17:14 AM
Best signings IMO - thinking longer termGood choices there no complaints from me . I still like bakambu-striker n roussilon (Montpellier) LB as well as seri(nice) as playmaker.
Striker - Dembele
Left Back - Shaw
CB - De Vrij
CM/DM - Nzonzi
Post by: Cereal Killer on December 25, 2017, 05:19:07 AM
(Disclaimer: I know zero about him - anyone actually seen him play?)
Post by: EVERTON 66 on December 25, 2017, 05:26:52 AM
Being linked with Jean Seri. He'd be a great signing.Agreed !!!
Post by: brap2 on December 25, 2017, 05:28:39 AM
I hope you mean Kluivert as Rijkaard is over the hill if you ask me 😉
Lmfao I do
Post by: Mayor Farnum on December 25, 2017, 06:30:11 AM
I'm sure he'll follow the well trodden path of great Turkish players in the Prem, like errmmm Emre, and Tugay!!
(Disclaimer: I know zero about him - anyone actually seen him play?)
Hakan Suker.
Post by: Moshdosh5 on December 25, 2017, 06:42:14 AM
Post by: besiktas on December 25, 2017, 06:59:25 AM
as beşiktaş fans we are not pleased to sell him. particularly at ucl ro16 stages. but i think its cenk's intention to playing in pl. nonetheless, everton will have a excellent striker if the deal is completed. he has made great progress this season. :woohoo:
he prefers number 23 because of michael jordan :)
https://twitter.com/ovuncozdem/status/945018257865625600
(https://twitter.com/ovuncozdem/status/945018257865625600) here is beşiktaş's corresponder.
Post by: gizzblue on December 25, 2017, 07:37:11 AM
Muzzy Isset.Just a welsh fella asking his mate about the new face fuzz that.
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 25, 2017, 04:01:21 PM
Bizarre
Post by: Macca77 on December 25, 2017, 04:20:46 PM
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 25, 2017, 04:21:45 PM
Dembele to Brighton??
Bizarre
Think he's a bit of an unknown quantity because of the dreadful standard he's been playing at but 18m does seem more than reasonable. If he get 10-12 goals a season he's probably worth that
Post by: Bluedylan on December 25, 2017, 04:26:09 PM
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#Celtic source tells me suggestion club has accepted £18m bid for Dembele is “nonsense.”
Post by: BlueBeagle on December 25, 2017, 04:26:36 PM
Let's remember that Gary Hooper looked good in Scotland.
Post by: Mayor Farnum on December 25, 2017, 04:32:45 PM
I can't even remember the last striker from Scotland that has even held his own in the EPL.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 25, 2017, 04:35:37 PM
Why do people rate Dembele so highly on here?
Let's remember that Gary Hooper looked good in Scotland.
I don't especially but he's scored some champions league goals played for France u21s and is only young. I'd be worried if we paid a lot for him but anything like 18m is a reasonable punt.
Post by: TheRam on December 25, 2017, 04:35:44 PM
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 25, 2017, 04:37:49 PM
18m in this age of ridiculous transfer fees and the fact it's Brighton he's going to suggests that no-one sets any store by the Scottish Premier League anymore.
I can't even remember the last striker from Scotland that has even held his own in the EPL.
The standard is shocking. The squad Celtic currently have would get relegated. The rest probably couldn't even get promoted to league 1 and a good half of them are non league teams
It's a ridiculously poor league
Post by: Lxxx on December 25, 2017, 05:04:29 PM
Post by: bogie on December 25, 2017, 05:24:30 PM
Post by: Mayor Farnum on December 25, 2017, 06:17:34 PM
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#Celtic source tells me suggestion club has accepted £18m bid for Dembele is “nonsense.”
I think Celtic will turn down the offer just to save face. Accepting the football equivalent of a toffee apple and a wank for your star player does not suggest they are the great club certain types would like to have you believe.
Post by: Lxxx on December 25, 2017, 06:57:32 PM
I think Celtic will turn down the offer just to save face. Accepting the football equivalent of a toffee apple and a wank for your star player does not suggest they are the great club certain types would like to have you believe.
Or he is as good a player as some think he is.
Post by: Trublue on December 25, 2017, 07:15:33 PM
Post by: BlueBeagle on December 25, 2017, 07:42:35 PM
The highest level he's played at is the Championship.
Being dicked every game in the Champions League doesn't count for much IMO.
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on December 25, 2017, 07:46:45 PM
Post by: gizzblue on December 26, 2017, 06:14:20 AM
replacing oumar niasse and £5/6 mill with any of the last 2 named there would be great newsRekon Niasse would kill it in the SPL .
Post by: D_murph0278 on December 26, 2017, 03:16:10 PM
18m in this age of ridiculous transfer fees and the fact it's Brighton he's going to suggests that no-one sets any store by the Scottish Premier League anymore.
I can't even remember the last striker from Scotland that has even held his own in the EPL.
Nikica Jelavic.
Post by: Ramjam on December 26, 2017, 03:18:05 PM
Post by: eugene on December 26, 2017, 04:51:26 PM
Exactly the same, a monster defender great in the air and quick on the grass, with the added bonus be scores goals. Beginning to think we got the wrong Leicester scout.Quick on the grass is he a pot head?
Post by: eugene on December 26, 2017, 04:53:05 PM
18m in this age of ridiculous transfer fees and the fact it's Brighton he's going to suggests that no-one sets any store by the Scottish Premier League anymore.Big Dunk perhaps?
I can't even remember the last striker from Scotland that has even held his own in the EPL.
Post by: Silas on December 26, 2017, 05:32:09 PM
Post by: Lxxx on December 26, 2017, 05:34:18 PM
It sounds like Nzonzi will only happen if a few midfielders leave. Priority seems to be a striker and left back which makes absolute sense
If someone wanted to give us some hard cash to part with McCarthy, Besic, Klaassan and Mirallas then I'd be happy with Nzonzi and the Turkish fella in this window to get us through to the main body of recruitment in the summer.
Post by: Jay on December 26, 2017, 05:58:49 PM
If someone wanted to give us some hard cash to part with McCarthy, Besic, Klaassan and Mirallas then I'd be happy with Nzonzi and the Turkish fella in this window to get us through to the main body of recruitment in the summer.Id want a left back as well. And probably would like to keep Klaassen for now
Post by: Macca77 on December 28, 2017, 12:08:35 AM
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 28, 2017, 12:13:06 AM
VVD to the redshite done according to Paul Joyce
75m apparently. Crazy times
Post by: American Evertonian on December 28, 2017, 12:18:20 AM
75m apparently. Crazy times
Sets the tone for the Jan window in terms of prices. Squad players likely will cost £15-20m at minimum.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 28, 2017, 12:22:29 AM
Sets the tone for the Jan window in terms of prices. Squad players likely will cost £15-20m at minimum.
We are as far away as ever from competing financially.
English football has gone a bit mad. All that's happened with the increased sky deal is that we've all bought the same standard of player but for a lot more money. You've got to question clubs scouting when you see deals like this and 45m for Sigurdsson. More money than sense
Post by: kramer0 on December 28, 2017, 01:16:24 AM
Seri would be great but we have no chance of getting him. I'm not sure how much he'd cost, and the asking price might be prohibitive since he plays in England, but I'd have a look at Tom Cairney from Fulham. He's consistently been one of the best creative midfield passers in the Championship, even playing for some awful Blackburn teams, and I think he'd shine given a chance at a higher level. I'll also mention Yassin Ayoub from Utrecht. He's shown creative potential and does more defensive work than Cairney, although he doesn't appear to be as consistent on the ball in general (only an about an 80% completion rate compared to around 90% for Cairney). Bonus points for playing for a club that would be easier to strong-arm in transfer negotiations.
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on December 28, 2017, 02:10:06 AM
We look incapable of building decent attacks without Rooney playing a deeper midfield role. If we're serious about improving, we should be looking for a good midfield passer. And when I say "good," I don't just mean "90% completion rate" (nice as that is). We need someone who pushes the team forward and can create chances more directly, not an accurate-but-safe type.Totally agree. We need someone to drive us forward. Davies tries and always looks for the forward pass but he’s just can’t be relied upon. Not being critical of the lad but the amount of 5 yard passes that go astray and break-down our attacks is infuriating. His time will come.
Seri would be great but we have no chance of getting him. I'm not sure how much he'd cost, and the asking price might be prohibitive since he plays in England, but I'd have a look at Tom Cairney from Fulham. He's consistently been one of the best creative midfield passers in the Championship, even playing for some awful Blackburn teams, and I think he'd shine given a chance at a higher level. I'll also mention Yassin Ayoub from Utrecht. He's shown creative potential and does more defensive work than Cairney, although he doesn't appear to be as consistent on the ball in general (only an about an 80% completion rate compared to around 90% for Cairney). Bonus points for playing for a club that would be easier to strong-arm in transfer negotiations.
Post by: Lxxx on December 28, 2017, 02:14:45 AM
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on December 28, 2017, 02:17:19 AM
We are as far away as ever from competing financially.There must still be plenty of teams out there that can be bullied financially, obviously in other leagues? It baffles me why teams would buy from other teams in the Prem. The premium is just too high and there is simply no value.
English football has gone a bit mad. All that's happened with the increased sky deal is that we've all bought the same standard of player but for a lot more money. You've got to question clubs scouting when you see deals like this and 45m for Sigurdsson. More money than sense
Post by: Silas on December 28, 2017, 03:04:15 AM
There must still be plenty of teams out there that can be bullied financially, obviously in other leagues? It baffles me why teams would buy from other teams in the Prem. The premium is just too high and there is simply no value.
Probably because when teams do that and they don't succeed straight away they come under massive criticism. Everton with Sandro and Klaassen spring to mind but there are many more examples. Spending money on a Sigurddsson at silly money is a safe bet
Post by: blue slug on December 28, 2017, 03:06:04 AM
Post by: Waltzer on December 28, 2017, 03:14:17 AM
There must still be plenty of teams out there that can be bullied financially, obviously in other leagues? It baffles me why teams would buy from other teams in the Prem. The premium is just too high and there is simply no value.The premier league is loaded so it matters little. In a league where failure is not an option would you rather spend 45 million on a midfielder with a proven track record, like we did with Sigurdsson, or 25 million on unproven talent from a team that can be bullied, like we did with Klassen? I know who I think id looking like the better deal.
Clearly there is value to be had abroad but I'd argue its a lot less risk buying within the league, even when you consider the additional fee to be paid.
Post by: BlueBeagle on December 28, 2017, 03:18:17 AM
Be good to shift miralles, mcarthy, besic and klaasen for between 10-20m a piece
Be lucky to get 20m as a job lot.
Post by: blue slug on December 28, 2017, 03:21:34 AM
Be lucky to get 20m as a job lot.
Really? There’s always some mugs out there lol
Post by: BlueBeagle on December 28, 2017, 03:26:21 AM
Really? There’s always some mugs out there lol
Exaggerating a little but I reckon:
Mirallas £5m.
McCarthy £10m.
Klaassen £10m in the summer.
Besic 34p.
Post by: blue slug on December 28, 2017, 03:29:34 AM
Exaggerating a little but I reckon:
Mirallas £5m.
McCarthy £10m.
Klaassen £10m in the summer.
Besic 34p.
Just a bit lol, reckon 10-15m each for mcarthy and klaasen possibly and 5-10 each for miralles and besic
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 28, 2017, 03:43:21 AM
The premier league is loaded so it matters little. In a league where failure is not an option would you rather spend 45 million on a midfielder with a proven track record, like we did with Sigurdsson, or 25 million on unproven talent from a team that can be bullied, like we did with Klassen? I know who I think id looking like the better deal.
Clearly there is value to be had abroad but I'd argue its a lot less risk buying within the league, even when you consider the additional fee to be paid.
The problem is we could buy 1 million Sigurdssons and we'd know that none of them would ever take us up a notch. Potential is a risk but potentially great as to be better than a safe good but not quite good enough.
Liverpools front 4 cost about 2 and a bit Sigurdssons. We have to buy potential because what we can get that's proven isn't good enough
Post by: brap2 on December 28, 2017, 03:55:54 AM
The problem is we could buy 1 million Sigurdssons and we'd know that none of them would ever take us up a notch. Potential is a risk but potentially great as to be better than a safe good but not quite good enough.
Liverpools front 4 cost about 2 and a bit Sigurdssons. We have to buy potential because what we can get that's proven isn't good enough
What we did with Sigurdsson is basically exactly what they do.
Buy peak age proven attackers from the big leagues and play a premium.
Buying potential would have been Salah before Chelsea, Mane before Southampton and Firminho before whoever he was at in Germany. None of them were risks in the slightest.
Only potential they bought was coutinho and they still bought him from inter, and it was years ago so clearly not part of the same strategy.
We did the same thing, we just have to buy worse players because nobody wants to come to Everton. We paid so much more because of the inflation of the last window, and Swansea has our kecks down.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 28, 2017, 04:06:32 AM
What we did with Sigurdsson is basically exactly what they do.
Buy peak age proven attackers from the big leagues and play a premium.
Buying potential would have been Salah before Chelsea, Mane before Southampton and Firminho before whoever he was at in Germany. None of them were risks in the slightest.
Only potential they bought was coutinho and they still bought him from inter, and it was years ago so clearly not part of the same strategy.
We did the same thing, we just have to buy worse players because nobody wants to come to Everton. We paid so much more because of the inflation of the last window, and Swansea has our kecks down.
They were all cheaper than Sigurdsson. I think they bought potential in every case. All good players but all capable of going up levels too.
VVD is obviously proven our problem is no one who's proven and champions league quality wants to play here. If we are going to build a side who are capable of qualifying for it we'll have to do it by buying potential.
Post by: Juanito on December 28, 2017, 04:33:37 AM
Totally agree. We need someone to drive us forward. Davies tries and always looks for the forward pass but he’s just can’t be relied upon. Not being critical of the lad but the amount of 5 yard passes that go astray and break-down our attacks is infuriating. His time will come.
Shame, Ross Barkley has many attributes for a classic no8 but doesn’t seem like it’s gonna happen.
Post by: Lxxx on December 28, 2017, 06:11:43 AM
Shame, Ross Barkley has many attributes for a classic no8 but doesn’t seem like it’s gonna happen.
Ross is part of the last group who had all the potential to reach the top together but fell short because it was all stuck together with the wood glue that was Martinez.
Time to try and recreate that again with the next round of recruitment. Although it’ll lack the feel good factor of that first Martinez season regardless of who we buy as Sam just wouldn’t look the same in brown shoes.
Post by: brap2 on December 28, 2017, 06:16:19 AM
Shame, Ross Barkley has many attributes for a classic no8 but doesn’t seem like it’s gonna happen.
Not for us, no unfortunately.
Post by: D15TIN on December 28, 2017, 03:25:46 PM
Mirallas will likely leave to turkey or Greece, unless West Ham come in again maybe - can see mirallas just wanting a holiday though
Besic will probably be tough to shift
Mccarthys glass hamstrings will probably stop us from getting a good fee - I think allardyce may want to keep him tbh- unless we get nzonzi in
Niasse could move on if Tosun comes in or another striker
Still think Jagielka may go, at this stage of his career he should be wanting to play every week - maybe sheff utd would take him or lower PL clubs
Post by: American Evertonian on December 28, 2017, 09:54:54 PM
Post by: Ravardo on December 28, 2017, 10:03:12 PM
Can we add Luke Shaw to our PL roster come Jan 1?
My mate the spurs fan seems to think man u will get danny rose and there get luke shaw....ive just about had enough of man u rejects anyway
Post by: American Evertonian on December 28, 2017, 10:39:27 PM
Can we add Luke Shaw to our PL roster come Jan 1?
Wow. That was a lapse in my mind. I meant to ask if we can add Luke Garbutt to the roster. That was shameful on my end. Haha
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on December 28, 2017, 10:39:52 PM
Post by: School of Science on December 28, 2017, 10:43:28 PM
Is it greedy to want 2 strikers? I wanted another one even when Lukaku was here.
Nope your absolutely right, there are teams in the premier league that we could easily play two strikers against. Besides competition is a good thing and we could do with a real pacy, skillfuller forward.
Post by: duncandisorderly on December 28, 2017, 11:09:48 PM
Nope your absolutely right, there are teams in the premier league that we could easily play two strikers against. Besides competition is a good thing and we could do with a real pacy, skillfuller forward.
Heavily linked with that Gameiro from Athletico earlier this month, think he would fit the bill nicely. Get him and Tosun in and it could solve a lot of our attacking issues.
Post by: Shogun on December 28, 2017, 11:14:07 PM
Heavily linked with that Gameiro from Athletico earlier this month, think he would fit the bill nicely. Get him and Tosun in and it could solve a lot of our attacking issues.
@Django (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4371) did post he was coming on loan in January
Post by: brap2 on December 28, 2017, 11:29:38 PM
@Django (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4371) did post he was coming on loan in January
Hasn’t been given enough credit has the djangerman, our best ITK since shorty.
Post by: Django on December 28, 2017, 11:48:35 PM
@Django (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4371) did post he was coming on loan in January
I’d like to think it will still happen but I’m not so sure now we’re going for this Tosun fella.
Source suggested it’s probably the case but time will no doubt tell.
Gameiro would be a much better option and a loan is better in case he doesn’t adapt.
Post by: blue slug on December 28, 2017, 11:52:46 PM
Post by: blargins on December 28, 2017, 11:56:30 PM
United being linked with that Malcom from Bordeaux for 30-50m he looks amazing could of we got him in the summer
He could be the best player to ever live, but I could not have a player called Malcolm playing for Everton.
Actually, if he was the best, perhaps I could after all. Would have to give him a nickname is all.
Post by: American Evertonian on December 29, 2017, 12:03:57 AM
He could be the best player to ever live, but I could not have a player called Malcolm playing for Everton.
Actually, if he was the best, perhaps I could after all. Would have to give him a nickname is all.
You'd have to play him in the middle, no?
Post by: blargins on December 29, 2017, 12:07:04 AM
You'd have to play him in the middle, no?
Booooo
Post by: Gash on December 29, 2017, 12:20:54 AM
United being linked with that Malcom from Bordeaux for 30-50m he looks amazing could of we got him in the summer
One of the biggest, most deluded kopites I know is called Malcolm so it's a no from me.
Post by: Paddockoldie on December 29, 2017, 03:11:34 AM
He could be the best player to ever live, but I could not have a player called Malcolm playing for Everton.
Actually, if he was the best, perhaps I could after all. Would have to give him a nickname is all.
Of course you can Blargins
Post by: American Evertonian on December 29, 2017, 04:20:46 AM
Booooo
I couldn't help myself. I have a problem.
Post by: Robioto on December 29, 2017, 04:56:16 PM
Post by: Macca77 on December 29, 2017, 05:21:36 PM
I've been a bit behind on the transfer front. Are there concrete links or decent ITK for Tosun, Seri and N'Zonzi? Or is it just paper talk?
Tosun - Few twitter journo's and McNulty all confirmed we want him, said goodbye to his team mates and fans yesteday
N'Zonzi - Daily Mail reported it so pinch of salt
Seri - Nah
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 29, 2017, 05:25:28 PM
Tosun done.
Nzonzi if at all Would be summer, the manager leaving changed a few things
We are in for Cresswell
Also asked for Shaw on loan with a buy clause
He said we wouldn't sign both the lb he just didn't know who was priority
Nothing ground breaking but that's what he said
Post by: Macca77 on December 29, 2017, 05:31:25 PM
Got told last night by a lad with agent contacts but obviously take this with a pinch of salt
Tosun done.
Nzonzi if at all Would be summer, the manager leaving changed a few things
We are in for Cresswell
Also asked for Shaw on loan with a buy clause
He said we wouldn't sign both the lb he just didn't know who was priority
Nothing ground breaking but that's what he said
One of my old school mates is mates with Cresswell, keeps saying he is desperate to move back to Liverpool, was talking about it on Boxing day, he's a massive red
Post by: Robioto on December 29, 2017, 05:44:18 PM
Tosun - Few twitter journo's and McNulty all confirmed we want him, said goodbye to his team mates and fans yesteday
N'Zonzi - Daily Mail reported it so pinch of salt
Seri - Nah
Thanks.
Post by: Macca77 on December 29, 2017, 05:56:33 PM
Thanks.
Not a problem, I'm here to help.
Post by: therealdunc on December 30, 2017, 03:36:17 AM
Explains why Barry fry was at the Swansea game
Post by: bluenuck on December 30, 2017, 02:05:17 PM
Got told last night by a lad with agent contacts but obviously take this with a pinch of salt
Tosun done.
Nzonzi if at all Would be summer, the manager leaving changed a few things
We are in for Cresswell
Also asked for Shaw on loan with a buy clause
He said we wouldn't sign both the lb he just didn't know who was priority
Nothing ground breaking but that's what he said
I actually think this is bang on.
A striker, a LB, and maybe a winger or mid fielder.
That's all we really need this January. We're pretty much locked on to finish 7th-11th. Why blow wads of cash to try to finish 6th or guarantee 7th?
The summer is where we'll have to really invest, and balance the squad.
Post by: brap2 on December 30, 2017, 05:35:10 PM
What happened to David brooks his year, think he’s been getting Goals? Or that striker who was someone’s son, how’s he been going?
Post by: Bob Sacamano on December 30, 2017, 05:40:01 PM
Hope we continue to pick up youngsters.
What happened to David brooks his year, think he’s been getting Goals? Or that striker who was someone’s son, how’s he been going?
That Hirst kid?
Post by: brap2 on December 30, 2017, 05:43:01 PM
That Hirst kid?
That’s your man
Post by: toffee_scot on December 30, 2017, 06:54:09 PM
One of my old school mates is mates with Cresswell, keeps saying he is desperate to move back to Liverpool, was talking about it on Boxing day, he's a massive red
I'm sure Moyes wouldn't hold him back for the benefit of his career.
Post by: kramer0 on January 02, 2018, 12:45:27 AM
GK: Pickford/Robles/Stekelenburg
RB: Coleman/Kenny
CB: Holgate/Keane
CB: Williams/Jagielka
LB: Baines/Martina
DM: Gana/Schneiderlin/McCarthy/Baningime
CM: Davies/?
CM: Rooney/?
RAM: Lennon/Vlasic/Lookman
CF: Calvert-Lewin/Niasse
LAM: Bolasie/Sigurdsson
I think the bolded areas are the ones we need to prioritize in January. Left back is an unquestionable area of need. A new CF is nice (and it looks like we're getting Tosun) but I don't think it's nearly as important as upgrading the midfield. When Rooney or Davies miss a match, we offer absolutely nothing on the ball through the middle. We need midfield reinforcements and we should be prioritizing players with creative passing ability or transition dribbling skills.
It's possible that Sigurdsson could help in the middle. I don't see it with his open play passing, and he's certainly not a dribbler, but I'm open to the idea. Maybe Barkley comes back and gives us another option. Who knows with his situation? The only thing I'm certain about is that our next midfield signing has to offer something significant going forward. We have plenty of solid defensive midfielders who can regularly nail straightforward passes and we generally play awful football when we use any of them together.
Post by: GLewis on January 02, 2018, 01:26:04 AM
Think we’ve got the worst striker choice in the league (especially for how Koeman / Allardyce want to play).
Post by: SANA_DR0 on January 02, 2018, 01:29:56 AM
Post by: GLewis on January 02, 2018, 01:32:12 AM
i dont think its the strikers,. its the fact we have no creativity in midfield, no one with guile or ability to dribble past players ( i think Vlasic can do that, but we need others/more of better quality)
They offer nothing consistently though.
DCL is young so I’ve no problem with him but he should be 3rd choice with minutes here and there.
Niasse tries very hard but isn’t anywhere near good enough.
They don’t offer consistent hold up play, there’s no consistent clever movements and there’s no consistent threat.
Post by: Waltzer on January 02, 2018, 01:38:04 AM
Post by: loroloco on January 02, 2018, 01:47:24 AM
Tbh I wouldn't bother with anything unless there is a once in a lifetime opportunity or any unreal bargain. Our season is over, probably by Friday evening, I don't think Sam will be here next season so it seems a bit pointless. Wait until the summer then go big
why don´t you believe he´ll be here? i hope he´s gone but i don´t think he will be. this is everton. queue the disappointment.
Post by: Tony Clifton on January 02, 2018, 01:51:10 AM
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Post by: Waltzer on January 02, 2018, 01:52:38 AM
why don´t you believe he´ll be here? i hope he´s gone but i don´t think he will be. this is everton. queue the disappointment.I don't know. I think they'll pay him off, they only wanted him short term in the first place and I don't think that's ever changed? Personally I'm not too fussed either way, I think he's a better manager than some give him credit for, but I don't think Moshiri will see a future with him
Post by: SANA_DR0 on January 02, 2018, 01:57:30 AM
They offer nothing consistently though.
DCL is young so I’ve no problem with him but he should be 3rd choice with minutes here and there.
Niasse tries very hard but isn’t anywhere near good enough.
They don’t offer consistent hold up play, there’s no consistent clever movements and there’s no consistent threat.
your correct they're not consistent, ive seen DCL and Niasse make runs, but then you have Gana Gueye /Davies or one of the defenders trying to play balls through, sometimes it seems we have the wide strikers just for defensive purposes we never utalise their attacking ability... i think it was mentioned on commentary today that the fullbacks where in the attacking positions our wingers should be in (edge of 18 yard line) just a waste having vlasic or Bolassie in the box trying to score from a cross from Martina or Holgate.. it just defies logic.
we need some midfielders who can carry the ball or pass it forwards.. wish Barkley fucking stays.. but from what i've been told he's made contacts with the wrong sort of people and they want him out of liverpool.. dont know if its true.. but surely he Everton can get some handlers around him and sort his personal situation out, he is what we need.
Post by: brap2 on January 02, 2018, 01:58:28 AM
CM
LW/RW/AM
CF
All desperately needed, squads absolutely shite.
Post by: GLewis on January 02, 2018, 01:59:52 AM
your correct they're not consistent, ive seen DCL and Niasse make runs, but then you have Gana Gueye /Davies or one of the defenders trying to play balls through, sometimes it seems we have the wide strikers just for defensive purposes we never utalise their attacking ability... i think it was mentioned on commentary today that the fullbacks where in the attacking positions our wingers should be in (edge of 18 yard line) just a waste having vlasic or Bolassie in the box trying to score from a cross from Martina or Holgate.. it just defies logic.
we need some midfielders who can carry the ball or pass it forwards.. wish Barkley fucking stays.. but from what i've been told he's made contacts with the wrong sort of people and they want him out of liverpool.. dont know if its true.. but surely he Everton can get some handlers around him and sort his personal situation out, he is what we need.
It’s not just the strikers of course but I doubt many other PL clubs would be starting our choices.
Midfielders are out of form rather than not great I’d say.
Post by: brap2 on January 02, 2018, 02:05:03 AM
It’s not just the strikers of course but I doubt many other PL clubs would be starting our choices.
Midfielders are out of form rather than not great I’d say.
Been waiting for James McCarthy to turn his form around for 2 and a half years.
Schneiderlin looks better when he has better players around him. Take rooney away from his for example and he looks half the player. That’s fine and we should work around that - don’t expect any output from him, he’s only useful in keeping possession when good players are around him. If we are going to have a bad midfield then he can come off immediately or not play.
We have a hodge podge side in almost every area of the pitch it looks like. Very few nailed on choices.
Post by: GLewis on January 02, 2018, 02:09:07 AM
Been waiting for James McCarthy to turn his form around for 2 and a half years.
Schneiderlin looks better when he has better players around him. Take rooney away from his for example and he looks half the player. That’s fine and we should work around that - don’t expect any output from him, he’s only useful in keeping possession when good players are around him. If we are going to have a bad midfield then he can come off immediately or not play.
We have a hodge podge side in almost every area of the pitch it looks like. Very few nailed on choices.
Yeah I just think enough of them have been good PL players that they’re at least as good as most other options outside of top 6.
I don’t see that re forwards.
Even Bolasie is poor re stats in his career
Post by: sam of the south on January 02, 2018, 02:17:16 AM
Yeah I just think enough of them have been good PL players that they’re at least as good as most other options outside of top 6.
I don’t see that re forwards.
Even Bolasie is poor re stats in his career
Yeah, we need players with more produc-chivitee.
I wonder if there are any floating about in the £25m-£45m range?
Post by: brap2 on January 02, 2018, 02:21:10 AM
Yeah I just think enough of them have been good PL players that they’re at least as good as most other options outside of top 6.
I don’t see that re forwards.
Even Bolasie is poor re stats in his career
Yup, and ultimately that’s what drives your side on. 3-4 top top attackers and a reasonable back line and you will be competitive.
Should only spend Big and big wages on top attackers, Goals from wide, goals from 10, Goals up top, spend almost anything to get that in the side and buy cheap everywhere else.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 02, 2018, 02:21:19 AM
LB
CM
LW/RW/AM
CF
All desperately needed, squads absolutely shite.
Fucking frightening that we still need someone for every attacking position.
Post by: GLewis on January 02, 2018, 02:25:38 AM
Fucking frightening that we still need someone for every attacking position.
Well I’d say Sigurdsson immediately looks fine if there’s a top RW and striker there.
Post by: brap2 on January 02, 2018, 02:29:24 AM
Fucking frightening that we still need someone for every attacking position.
And not just anyone, 3-5 of those need to be either unbelievable value or £30m+
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 02, 2018, 02:29:49 AM
Well I’d say Sigurdsson immediately looks fine if there’s a top RW and striker there.
He's just decent though. He's functional with the odd fantastic strike. We don't have any real control, don't have pace, don't have movement, don't have any dribblers apart from Bolasie. Sigurdsson would be good if everything else was great. When we are asking him to make the play though he's well short.
I genuinely can't believe the mess we made of the transfer window. Surely has to be the worst 1 in premier league history. Sides have signed shite players before but we didny even manage to get players for the right positions
Post by: GLewis on January 02, 2018, 02:32:14 AM
He's just decent though. He's functional with the odd fantastic strike. We don't have any real control, don't have pace, don't have movement, don't have any dribblers apart from Bolasie. Sigurdsson would be good if everything else was great. When we are asking him to make the play though he's well short.
I genuinely can't believe the mess we made of the transfer window. Surely has to be the worst 1 in premier league history. Sides have signed shite players before but we didny even manage to get players for the right positions
Yeah that’s what I mean.
If you’ve got pace and goals in the other 2 (of the front three) then he’d provide a nice balance of style.
Post by: Mayor Farnum on January 02, 2018, 02:33:37 AM
He's just decent though. He's functional with the odd fantastic strike. We don't have any real control, don't have pace, don't have movement, don't have any dribblers apart from Bolasie. Sigurdsson would be good if everything else was great. When we are asking him to make the play though he's well short.
I genuinely can't believe the mess we made of the transfer window. Surely has to be the worst 1 in premier league history. Sides have signed shite players before but we didny even manage to get players for the right positions
Sigurdsson will be better when the opposition have more to worry about. With sustained pressure on the ball in the final third and the opposition stretched Sisurdsson's ability to find a pass will be a real weapon.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 02, 2018, 02:34:50 AM
And not just anyone, 3-5 of those need to be either unbelievable value or £30m+
We are absolutely lightyears behind. What's liverpools front 4 worth now. What's Kane worth on his own.
wasted a season and 100 plus million on players we didn't need and/or aren't good enough.
all we've done with our new found wealth is pay shite players even more money. Honestly despair. Fuck knows how we managed to get it so wrong
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 02, 2018, 02:36:54 AM
Yeah that’s what I mean.
If you’ve got pace and goals in the other 2 (of the front three) then he’d provide a nice balance of style.
I agree. He's the last piece of a good attack. Absolute waste with what we have.
It's not his fault and I realise I'm being unfair to him but it's hard not to judge him in terms of the transfer fee and in terms of a playmaker which is what we were desperate for
Post by: Waltzer on January 02, 2018, 02:39:01 AM
We are absolutely lightyears behind. What's liverpools front 4 worth now. What's Kane worth on his own.Struggling with new found wealth as we haven't spent anything more than the rest. It's all an illusion that they have spun, we've done the same as usual, sell our best players then reinvest and until that stops, or we really do invest, we'll struggle to catch up.
wasted a season and 100 plus million on players we didn't need and/or aren't good enough.
all we've done with our new found wealth is pay shite players even more money. Honestly despair. Fuck knows how we managed to get it so wrong
Post by: brap2 on January 02, 2018, 02:43:35 AM
We are absolutely lightyears behind. What's liverpools front 4 worth now. What's Kane worth on his own.
wasted a season and 100 plus million on players we didn't need and/or aren't good enough.
all we've done with our new found wealth is pay shite players even more money. Honestly despair. Fuck knows how we managed to get it so wrong
Aye, still fussing over £25-30m for a striker, and the teams we want to challenge have got £90m+ attackers across their front line and on the bench.
Don’t mean to toot my own fruit but I did say all this when we were looking at selling Lukaku and getting “3-4 players” for the 60-70m. Left behind again.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 02, 2018, 02:45:24 AM
Struggling with new found wealth as we haven't spent anything more than the rest. It's all an illusion that they have spun, we've done the same as usual, sell our best players then reinvest and until that stops, or we really do invest, we'll struggle to catch up.
I know we haven't spent vast amounts I meant more the wage bill. Paying rooney and Sigurdsson 140k a week each. Paying Keane who lets be honest is shite 80ish. Morgan probably on more than 100.
We've just paid top whack for players who if we are being honest about had nowhere else to go. We've took all the players no one decent wanted and paid over the odds for the privilege
Post by: Mayor Farnum on January 02, 2018, 02:46:29 AM
We have to buy from the tier of players who are inconsistent but their fees and wages are set on their rare good days. We get lucky once in a while but mostly we get three average years from a player, pay him a fortune and never recoup a transfer fee.
We need to sustain Premier League football to keep operating in such a way or ditch the policy sooner than Leeds did before things turned really nasty.
Post by: Waltzer on January 02, 2018, 02:47:20 AM
Aye, still fussing over £25-30m for a striker, and the teams we want to challenge have got £90m+ attackers across their front line and on the bench.It is possible though, Liverpool got Salah for 35, coutinho for 11, and Mane and Friminio all for within that bracket
Don't mean to toot my own fruit but I did say all this when we were looking at selling Lukaku and getting "3-4 players” for the 60-70m. Left behind again.
Post by: bigl1cks on January 02, 2018, 02:49:44 AM
Post by: brap2 on January 02, 2018, 02:50:31 AM
I know we haven't spent vast amounts I meant more the wage bill. Paying rooney and Sigurdsson 140k a week each. Paying Keane who lets be honest is shite 80ish. Morgan probably on more than 100.
We've just paid top whack for players who if we are being honest about had nowhere else to go. We've took all the players no one decent wanted and paid over the odds for the privilege
Again, 80-120 isn’t top whack. It’s probably less than say Benteke is on, definitely less than bench warmers in the top 6.
We’re a generation behind still worrying about penny’s and pounds, even the supporters.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 02, 2018, 02:51:47 AM
Aye, still fussing over £25-30m for a striker, and the teams we want to challenge have got £90m+ attackers across their front line and on the bench.
Don’t mean to toot my own fruit but I did say all this when we were looking at selling Lukaku and getting “3-4 players” for the 60-70m. Left behind again.
Think we hoped we'd be clever with the money. Find a couple of 20-30m players who go on become worth much more than that. I guess like Liverpool have done with their forwards. Instead we went down the proven route with Sigurdsson. The problem is you pay a premium from premier league proven and anyone who's proven great doesn't want to play here.
It's actually painful watching us. It's not down to Allardyce either. What team has no quality at full back, wings and upfront?
Fucking 1 aging left back in the entire squad. Only remotely proven right back out for a year. Only proven attacking winger out for a year. No striker any top flight quality. We should have kept Valencia who web for next to nowt. It's like some fucking drunk made all our recruitment decisions
This season is a write off now. To be a functioning team. We need at least 4 in this window and it won't happen. Waste of a year
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 02, 2018, 02:54:41 AM
Again, 80-120 isn’t top whack. It’s probably less than say Benteke is on, definitely less than bench warmers in the top 6.
We’re a generation behind still worrying about penny’s and pounds, even the supporters.
It's top whack for us. It's more than they are worth. More than they'd get elsewhere and in every case we were their best option in footballing terms. We didn't drive any hard bargains. Not a single 1 of them looked cheap at the point of purchase
Post by: Mayor Farnum on January 02, 2018, 02:54:46 AM
Think we hoped we'd be clever with the money. Find a couple of 20-30m players who go on become worth much more than that. I guess like Liverpool have done with their forwards. Instead we went down the proven route with Sigurdsson. The problem is you pay a premium from premier league proven and anyone who's proven great doesn't want to play here.
It's actually painful watching us. It's not down to Allardyce either. What team has no quality at full back, wings and upfront?
Fucking 1 aging left back in the entire squad. Only remotely proven right back out for a year. Only proven attacking winger out for a year. No striker any top flight quality. We should have kept Valencia who web for next to nowt. It's like some fucking drunk made all our recruitment decisions
This season is a write off now. To be a functioning team. We need at least 4 in this window and it won't happen. Waste of a year
Our signings from abroad recently would suggest it's worth paying the Premier League premium.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 02, 2018, 02:56:56 AM
Our signings from abroad recently would suggest it's worth paying the Premier League premium.
Fuck knows all our signings have been different levels of crap. Only Pickford worked and he was still quite expensive at the time.
Post by: Mayor Farnum on January 02, 2018, 02:57:02 AM
It is possible though, Liverpool got Salah for 35, coutinho for 11, and Mane and Friminio all for within that bracket
I doubt we would get those four at the stage of their careers that Liverpool got them. We would need to buy them at least one move previously. And again at that stage your going to get more duds than successes.
Post by: brap2 on January 02, 2018, 06:56:23 AM
Kenny Holgate Williams Van Aanholt
Gueye N’Zonzi Rooney
Tosun DCL Bolassie
Potential post-Jan side, maybe Cresswell/Shaw/Random in LB, looks a bit better. Still Sigurdsson wrong place, Gueye wrong job, Rooney wrongside of 30 and can’t do 90 mins this year so how long have we got, and still DCL up top..
Post by: Ramjam on January 02, 2018, 08:25:08 AM
Post by: kramer0 on January 02, 2018, 08:51:18 AM
Pickford
Kenny Holgate Williams Van Aanholt
Gueye N’Zonzi Rooney
Tosun DCL Bolassie
Potential post-Jan side, maybe Cresswell/Shaw/Random in LB, looks a bit better. Still Sigurdsson wrong place, Gueye wrong job, Rooney wrongside of 30 and can’t do 90 mins this year so how long have we got, and still DCL up top..
If that's what we do this January, I give up.
I'd rather sign nobody.
Post by: brap2 on January 02, 2018, 09:16:04 AM
If that's what we do this January, I give up.
I'd rather sign nobody.
Probably represents an optimistic window as well.
Post by: Hawkandro on January 02, 2018, 05:01:37 PM
Post by: Hawkandro on January 02, 2018, 05:04:04 PM
I don't know. I think they'll pay him off, they only wanted him short term in the first place and I don't think that's ever changed? Personally I'm not too fussed either way, I think he's a better manager than some give him credit for, but I don't think Moshiri will see a future with him
I tend to agree here. Reading between the lines, Allardyce has called for 2 signings this window, when realistically we need 4 or 5 to compete. Part of me thinks we will be letting Sam get a striker and a LB and then move him on in the summer, allowing Moshiri's 'big name'/Fonseca/Silva a free run with the chequebook.
Could be talking out of my arse, but that's my two-penneth worth.
Post by: mikey_blue on January 02, 2018, 10:03:22 PM
Boss player. Sign him up.
Post by: brap2 on January 03, 2018, 02:33:22 AM
Would be bang into that.
Reckon him or Shaw in before Friday.
Post by: brap2 on January 03, 2018, 02:41:47 AM
Pickford
Kenny Holgate Williams Rose
Serri N’Zonzi Rooney
Tosun DCL Bolassie
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 03, 2018, 02:45:46 AM
Rose not in the spurs side.
Would be bang into that.
Reckon him or Shaw in before Friday.
I highly doubt rose is gonna fancy a move here
Post by: blueToffee on January 03, 2018, 02:49:42 AM
Rose not in the spurs side.
Would be bang into that.
Reckon him or Shaw in before Friday.
Man United were sniffing around Rose, not a chance he's coming here.
I wouldn't be surprised to see Shaw loaned out at least. Mourinho isn't very keen.
Post by: BlueForYou on January 03, 2018, 03:08:37 AM
Post by: Waltzer on January 03, 2018, 03:28:31 AM
updated :
Pickford
Kenny Holgate Williams Rose
Serri N'Zonzi Rooney
Tosun DCL Bolassie
Nothing personally against him but I don't think DCL will ever cut it at the top, he just doesn't have that killer instinct and if he's in our team we'll be struggling.
Post by: brap2 on January 03, 2018, 03:39:08 AM
I highly doubt rose is gonna fancy a move here
£££
Post by: sam of the south on January 03, 2018, 03:44:59 AM
£££
He would pick-up more cash at United and be in a better side
Post by: brap2 on January 03, 2018, 04:09:46 AM
He would pick-up more cash at United and be in a better side
Yes. Rose will only be coming to us if United have someone else lined up and I’m SURE I saw a rumour today, I just can’t find it now.
It’s unlikely but not out of this world imo.
Post by: Shogun on January 03, 2018, 04:33:10 AM
Yes. Rose will only be coming to us if United have someone else lined up and I’m SURE I saw a rumour today, I just can’t find it now.
It’s unlikely but not out of this world imo.
This is exactly why you won the most likely to post stoned award.
Post by: TheRam on January 03, 2018, 04:34:13 AM
Post by: bluenuck on January 03, 2018, 04:41:08 AM
Yes. Rose will only be coming to us if United have someone else lined up and I’m SURE I saw a rumour today, I just can’t find it now.
It’s unlikely but not out of this world imo.
Ghoulam from Napoli
Although says he's injured for a while.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/jan/02/football-transfer-rumours-manchester-united-faouzi-ghoulam-53m-chelsea-arturo-vidal
Post by: brap2 on January 03, 2018, 05:05:43 AM
Ghoulam from Napoli
Although says he's injured for a while.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/jan/02/football-transfer-rumours-manchester-united-faouzi-ghoulam-53m-chelsea-arturo-vidal
The game is afoot.
@TheRam (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=1602) @Shogun (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=1108)
Post by: ForzaItalia on January 03, 2018, 06:03:24 AM
Ghoulam from Napoli
Although says he's injured for a while.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/jan/02/football-transfer-rumours-manchester-united-faouzi-ghoulam-53m-chelsea-arturo-vidal
And he signed a 5 year deal with Napoli a month ago.
Post by: brap2 on January 03, 2018, 06:17:36 AM
Nothing personally against him but I don't think DCL will ever cut it at the top, he just doesn't have that killer instinct and if he's in our team we'll be struggling.
Think he’s got prem potential but I understand the concerns re: killer instinct. Would like to see him in a freely creating side. For example - not sure what type of ball he would feed off. The way we play you’d probably think crosses but actually, the ones he’s finished have largely been through balls to feet.
you could probably put Vlasic on the right and Tosun up top, but another attacking player in the final third to go RW or CF would be superb.
Post by: bluenuck on January 03, 2018, 10:25:50 AM
And he signed a 5 year deal with Napoli a month ago.
And there's a 54 million pound release clause that manU is willing to pay.
@brap2 (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=666) some outlets reporting it Looks more likely to happen in the summer now as Napoli have lined up replacement buy for summer.
Weird how teams wait for a replacement before selling big players...
Post by: Hawkandro on January 03, 2018, 02:58:15 PM
Post by: Lincs Toffee on January 03, 2018, 05:34:17 PM
City were linked with Ghoulam at the end of last season for £3m, before he signed his new deal. Absolute steal that.Fucking precious he is ....!
Post by: brap2 on January 03, 2018, 06:19:55 PM
Post by: Goaljira on January 03, 2018, 09:09:54 PM
Fucking precious he is ....!
Sméagol the RB from his old team was equally talked about when they were younger, but disappeared without a trace.
Post by: Cozzie on January 03, 2018, 10:04:20 PM
Post by: blueToffee on January 03, 2018, 10:36:19 PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/12/31/southampton-battle-everton-theo-walcott-arsenal-accept-departure/
I'd have Walcott. Definite upgrade for me on our options.
Post by: gizzblue on January 03, 2018, 10:40:17 PM
Post by: Rodenplav64 on January 03, 2018, 10:43:58 PM
Walcott and Bolasie ...if we ever play two winters again would be pace enough to burn .
One enigma is enough .
Post by: gizzblue on January 03, 2018, 10:46:23 PM
One enigma is enough .He has well more end product than Bolasie though no?.
Post by: Lxxx on January 03, 2018, 10:50:58 PM
Post by: blueToffee on January 03, 2018, 10:54:03 PM
Post by: Waltzer on January 03, 2018, 11:03:04 PM
Post by: mikey_blue on January 03, 2018, 11:06:43 PM
Post by: MexicanToffee on January 03, 2018, 11:16:07 PM
Walcott's issue is fitness, although I thought he'd been doing ok on that score of late...he simply wasn't getting picked. In general, I'd have Walcott ahead of any of our current wingers, he also is far more likely to get a goal himself than any of our current options. A trait we definitely miss.Two flying wingers and a proper number 9....I feel giddy.
Post by: Macca77 on January 03, 2018, 11:23:14 PM
Post by: Ross on January 03, 2018, 11:31:41 PM
Post by: Rodenplav64 on January 03, 2018, 11:38:58 PM
He has well more end product than Bolasie though no?.
Yes Bolasies end product is absolutely shit in comparison but that doesn't make Walcott that good . We were rinsed for Bolasie and a few have created a myth of the time ' before he got injured ' . Speaking of which Walcott is also prone to that a bit more than most . Still anyone gets a chance if we buy them I suppose .
Post by: Bob Sacamano on January 03, 2018, 11:46:03 PM
Does a massive punt up field into the channel that happens to go straight to the opposition ‘keeper count as a shot on target?
Post by: Bluedylan on January 03, 2018, 11:51:25 PM
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on January 04, 2018, 12:09:57 AM
Then we might be able to try and find decent long term replacements in the summer.
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 04, 2018, 12:14:39 AM
Post by: Bob Sacamano on January 04, 2018, 12:21:20 AM
Post by: brap2 on January 04, 2018, 12:24:31 AM
I'd have Walcott. Definite upgrade for me on our options.
Would lash money on him to go to Southampton tbh but would bite your hand off.
Not that I think he’s any good but a pacey wideman who scores goals from RW, easy yes he would walk into the side.
Post by: TheRam on January 04, 2018, 12:24:41 AM
Post by: Confucius on January 04, 2018, 12:27:16 AM
Post by: Shogun on January 04, 2018, 12:48:49 AM
From Negredo to Yarmolenko to Giroud. We just never get these bigger signings right and it's hardly even worth getting excited about us being in for these players.
I'd never even heard of Tosun before and we can't even get this done.
The incompetence is exhausting.
Post by: brap2 on January 04, 2018, 12:52:28 AM
Without wanting to get too melodramatic, we're just terrible in the transfer market.
From Negredo to Yarmolenko to Giroud. We just never get these bigger signings right and it's hardly even worth getting excited about us being in for these players.
I'd never even heard of Tosun before and we can't even get this done.
The incompetence is exhausting.
Yeah think the internets burning me out a bit. Too many rumours and such a poor strike rate.
Post by: Silas on January 04, 2018, 12:55:53 AM
Don't mind Walcott BTW reckon he could have a resurgence under us
Post by: blueToffee on January 04, 2018, 12:56:12 AM
Walcott would be such a bad signing IMO.
Fitness is a concern, but is record is pretty decent other than that if you look at his stats. It's like signing Lennon a few years ago, it's a known quantity but a proven PL player who would improve us right now. Plus, although he's not a natural finisher, he will chip in with goals. Something we've not had regularly from that position for an age.
Post by: brap2 on January 04, 2018, 12:56:57 AM
Post by: therealdunc on January 04, 2018, 01:05:14 AM
Once again we are signing a top 6 clubs reserve failures , we will never get close to them if we keep buying their ageing cast offs
No doubt he would command a big wage as well
Completely the wrong kind of signing
An expensive headless chicken who has 1 good game in 10
Post by: Silas on January 04, 2018, 01:05:16 AM
Walcott would probably be an instant starter for us
No probably about it.
Post by: BlueForYou on January 04, 2018, 01:12:01 AM
Didn't think he was skillful enough to play out wide (again, like Owen), little wonder he lacked goals, he would have bagged a lot more running directly towards the goal, a defender's nightmare
Nearly 30, speed on the wane, prone to injury and fitness a concern - we've had too many of those, look elsewhere
Post by: bacon sarnie on January 04, 2018, 01:12:19 AM
Post by: BlueForYou on January 04, 2018, 01:15:04 AM
Post by: Bluedylan on January 04, 2018, 01:17:08 AM
Post by: bluenuck on January 04, 2018, 01:17:11 AM
Walcott would probably be an instant starter for us
He would. No question.
But like @therealdunc (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=5069) has said, if we want to catch these top 6 teams we have to stop signing their cast offs.
We have to find our own way of doing things, and find an identity on how we buy, and develop players.
Right now it just seems all so arbitrary as to what we're doing.
It seems like it's the beginning of the end for us in the Premier league.
Post by: bluestevie on January 04, 2018, 01:30:01 AM
Walcott is crap
Once again we are signing a top 6 clubs reserve failures , we will never get close to them if we keep buying their ageing cast offs
No doubt he would command a big wage as well
Completely the wrong kind of signing
An expensive headless chicken who has 1 good game in 10
Not crap at all, and 28 is hardly aging. Would waltz straight into the starting 11 and be very effective
Post by: blueToffee on January 04, 2018, 01:32:14 AM
Need to stop thinking short term.
He's 28, probably got a good 4 years left in him. Why is that short term? We have long term options already with Lookman, Vlasic, etc.
Post by: bluenuck on January 04, 2018, 01:37:49 AM
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 04, 2018, 01:39:36 AM
He's better than what we have so I've no issue with signing him but not for some "proven premium" when the reality is all he's proven is he's short of where we apparently want to be
Post by: brap2 on January 04, 2018, 01:46:22 AM
Walcott is crap
Once again we are signing a top 6 clubs reserve failures , we will never get close to them if we keep buying their ageing cast offs
No doubt he would command a big wage as well
Completely the wrong kind of signing
An expensive headless chicken who has 1 good game in 10
Indeed, we should hire the bottom 10s failures instead.
Post by: bluenuck on January 04, 2018, 01:58:11 AM
Indeed, we should hire the bottom 10s failures instead.
I don't think that's what he was thinking as the alternative. lol
Post by: Cassius on January 04, 2018, 02:00:06 AM
He would. No question.
But like @therealdunc (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=5069) has said, if we want to catch these top 6 teams we have to stop signing their cast offs.
We have to find our own way of doing things, and find an identity on how we buy, and develop players.
Right now it just seems all so arbitrary as to what we're doing.
It seems like it's the beginning of the end for us in the Premier league.
(https://media.giphy.com/media/5WXqTFTgO9a7e/giphy.gif)
Post by: brap2 on January 04, 2018, 02:16:39 AM
I don't think that's what he was thinking as the alternative. lol
Then you’re not very familiar with his post history..
Post by: bluenuck on January 04, 2018, 02:23:58 AM
(https://media.giphy.com/media/5WXqTFTgO9a7e/giphy.gif)
My 5 year old daughter is rubbing off on me.
Post by: Cereal Killer on January 04, 2018, 02:28:00 AM
Walcott won't find the net on a regular basis
Didn't he get 19 last season?
Even half that and he'd easily be one of our top scorers
Post by: dangermouse on January 04, 2018, 02:45:26 AM
Walcott's issue is fitness, although I thought he'd been doing ok on that score of late...he simply wasn't getting picked. In general, I'd have Walcott ahead of any of our current wingers, he also is far more likely to get a goal himself than any of our current options. A trait we definitely miss.
I think his fitness issues are a bit of a myth... he’s played on average 20+ games a season in an Arsenal team were he isn’t first choice...
He might get a few more knocks than most but I wouldn’t say he’s injury prone.
My only concern would be his finishing but he’s much better than anything we have already so all things considered I’d be quite happy with that.
Post by: Bob Sacamano on January 04, 2018, 03:25:21 AM
https://twitter.com/livechoefc/status/948496367915237377
Post by: Goaljira on January 04, 2018, 03:27:36 AM
Want to amp up the drama a bit?.....
https://twitter.com/livechoefc/status/948496367915237377
No. No fucking way. No.
Post by: fubarruk on January 04, 2018, 03:32:18 AM
No. No fucking way. No.Final nail in the Allardyce coffin that, on that reasoning I'm all for it...
Post by: blueToffee on January 04, 2018, 03:44:30 AM
Want to amp up the drama a bit?.....
https://twitter.com/livechoefc/status/948496367915237377
That'd be a real test, I can gloss over Sammy Lee on the sidelines but eeeeesh...
Post by: Toddacelli on January 04, 2018, 03:45:27 AM
Post by: Macca77 on January 04, 2018, 03:46:55 AM
Post by: Zoolander on January 04, 2018, 03:51:06 AM
Someones on the wind up there100%
Post by: therealdunc on January 04, 2018, 03:51:33 AM
Nor is there substance to the mitrovic loan deal rumour
Post by: Lxxx on January 04, 2018, 03:52:42 AM
Surely with our new, much expanded scouting network we can find pacey wide men about 5 years younger, otherwise what's the point in hiring the glorified chief scout and giving him a fancy job title in the first place.
Post by: therealdunc on January 04, 2018, 03:54:30 AM
Not crap at all, and 28 is hardly aging. Would waltz straight into the starting 11 and be very effectiveCorrect, not crap
He’s bloody awful
Arsenal fans don’t agree on many things, but they all agree they want that over paid clown Walcott out the club
Can we please stop buying players nearer to 30 than 20 who are failed cast offs on big wages.
Are we some sort of charity for ‘not quiet good enough’ footballers?
Post by: Bob Sacamano on January 04, 2018, 03:57:08 AM
No substance to the shelvey story
Nor is there substance to the mitrovic loan deal rumour
Glad you’ve cleared that one up for us all therealitk 👍
Post by: Bob Sacamano on January 04, 2018, 03:58:06 AM
Correct, not crap
He’s bloody awful
Arsenal fans don’t agree on many things, but they all agree they want that over paid clown Walcott out the club
Can we please stop buying players nearer to 30 than 20 who are failed cast offs on big wages.
Are we some sort of charity for ‘not quiet good enough’ footballers?
You forgot to write “fact”.
Post by: therealdunc on January 04, 2018, 03:58:39 AM
You forgot to write “fact”.
Okay Rafa
Post by: Bob Sacamano on January 04, 2018, 03:59:10 AM
Okay Rafa
You misspelled “agenda”.
Post by: BlueForYou on January 04, 2018, 03:59:47 AM
Q: Why? A: Not good enough
Post by: therealdunc on January 04, 2018, 04:00:45 AM
Post by: Zoolander on January 04, 2018, 04:02:29 AM
Pretty sure he’d do well and be better than what we have, at least for a while / but surely there’s a better value medium to long term option of someone younger with potential to be better somewhere?
(I have no clue who that is though btw)
Post by: Audrey Horne on January 04, 2018, 04:03:26 AM
Not that prick - he looks like a thumb!
(http://dolohov.weebly.com/uploads/7/4/5/1/7451762/7246921_orig.gif)
Post by: blueToffee on January 04, 2018, 04:06:29 AM
Question: How many games has Walcott played this season? Answer: 4
Q: Why? A: Not good enough
...for Arsenal who are much better than us.
Post by: Cereal Killer on January 04, 2018, 04:07:23 AM
but surely there’s a better value medium to long term option of someone younger with potential to be better somewhere?
(I have no clue who that is though btw)
This is where you hope the DoF pulls the strings and not the manager who is here for less than 2 years so has zero interest in long term and only wants players now
However as Walsh and Allardyce are seemingly mates, I'm not going to be shocked if we stock up on some aging mercenaries
Post by: blueToffee on January 04, 2018, 04:11:02 AM
I’m a bit like warm on Walcott.
Pretty sure he’d do well and be better than what we have, at least for a while / but surely there’s a better value medium to long term option of someone younger with potential to be better somewhere?
(I have no clue who that is though btw)
I do agree with this too, ideally if our scouting network were doing it's job we would be identifying players of this nature who were younger. However, until they do that on a regular basis the idea of Walcott for a few years is somewhat tempting.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 04, 2018, 04:14:58 AM
...for Arsenal who are much better than us.
Who are probably the 6th best team in the country. Is our ambition to cement 7th place?
Look if he's cheap then being better than what we have is enough. If he's 30m and 120k a week then we have to look for players with more potential
Post by: Goaljira on January 04, 2018, 05:16:53 AM
Post by: brap2 on January 04, 2018, 05:34:53 AM
Want to amp up the drama a bit?.....
https://twitter.com/livechoefc/status/948496367915237377
I’ll fucking kick off
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on January 04, 2018, 06:06:12 AM
Want to amp up the drama a bit?.....
https://twitter.com/livechoefc/status/948496367915237377
Better than Barkley :whistle:
Post by: Macca77 on January 04, 2018, 06:24:44 PM
Sources close to Nice midfielder Jean-Michael Seri have told us Everton are one of a number of Premier League clubs interested in the player.
Post by: Hawkandro on January 04, 2018, 06:49:26 PM
Sky Sports
Sources close to Nice midfielder Jean-Michael Seri have told us Everton are one of a number of Premier League clubs interested in the player.
Unless our medical team have come up with a cure for Chilblaines, this won't happen.
Post by: Hawkandro on January 04, 2018, 07:08:10 PM
https://twitter.com/philkecho/status/948879245555662848
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 04, 2018, 07:13:14 PM
I think we need to sack our scouting team.Batashuyi on loan would be a decent start Sam
https://twitter.com/philkecho/status/948879245555662848
Post by: Macca77 on January 04, 2018, 07:17:13 PM
Batashuyi on loan would be a decent start Sam
As part of the Barkley deal to them, works for both parties
Post by: gizzblue on January 04, 2018, 07:17:29 PM
Post by: GLewis on January 04, 2018, 07:21:26 PM
Not going to say that can’t find ones that are good enough, available, appropriately priced and want to come.
Post by: ally2 on January 04, 2018, 07:52:00 PM
He obviously doesn't mean they can't find any strikers.
Not going to say that can't find ones that are good enough, available, appropriately priced and want to come.
Still fumin' though
Post by: Rodenplav64 on January 04, 2018, 08:39:33 PM
Walcott is crap
Once again we are signing a top 6 clubs reserve failures , we will never get close to them if we keep buying their ageing cast offs
No doubt he would command a big wage as well
Completely the wrong kind of signing
An expensive headless chicken who has 1 good game in 10
But if our world class Manager wants him ?
Post by: therealdunc on January 04, 2018, 09:23:05 PM
But if our world class Manager wants him ?
Think you mean world class director of football
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on January 04, 2018, 10:48:50 PM
Post by: mikey_blue on January 04, 2018, 10:52:16 PM
I hope we don’t just throw Tosun into the team and hope he scores goals. He needs help; we need to create more chances as a team. We need a CM who can carry the ball up the pitch, a pacey winger/outside forward and an actual left-footed LB. it would be all very Everton to only address part of the problem.
I think Bolasie coming back is going to help. His delivery isn't the best, but he does actively look to get the ball in the mixer. But you're right, he shouldn't be judged as a 20+ striker. He needs going to have to do the same job as DCL, but hopefully able to finish more of the chances that DCL has missed.
Post by: Gary1878 on January 04, 2018, 11:17:44 PM
"But I don't make the final decision, it's made by everyone (at the club).
Made by EVERYONE at the club? This sounds a little scary to me....probably where the indecision has come from...
Post by: American Evertonian on January 05, 2018, 12:49:43 AM
Post by: gizzblue on January 05, 2018, 01:10:43 AM
Just thinking about all the diff positions we need quality in gets me depressed. CM, CB, LB, Forward, backup GK, LW...Assistant manager ?.
Manager?.
Post by: blue slug on January 05, 2018, 01:16:31 AM
"There has been no bids for Sandro at this moment in time," said the Blues boss. "There'll be no loan as far as my recommendation is.
"But I don't make the final decision, it's made by everyone (at the club).
Made by EVERYONE at the club? This sounds a little scary to me....probably where the indecision has come from...
Everyone on transfer delegation team probably (waits for the good old muppets on a bike pic)
Post by: GLewis on January 05, 2018, 01:58:47 AM
"There has been no bids for Sandro at this moment in time," said the Blues boss. "There'll be no loan as far as my recommendation is.
"But I don't make the final decision, it's made by everyone (at the club).
Made by EVERYONE at the club? This sounds a little scary to me....probably where the indecision has come from...
Well DoF and probably select board members (or whoever).
Transfer decisions should work better with consensus decisions in the long run.
Post by: brap2 on January 05, 2018, 02:22:28 AM
Next* transfers should be young, powerful athletes with potential, and n’zonzi.
Post by: pedrotheblue on January 05, 2018, 02:43:56 AM
Just thinking about all the diff positions we need quality in gets me depressed. CM, CB, LB, Forward, backup GK, LW...
You forgot RW..
Post by: American Evertonian on January 05, 2018, 03:03:48 AM
You forgot RW..
I figured now that Bolaise is back we could wait a bit on that one. Don't want to get too greedy
Post by: Waltzer on January 05, 2018, 03:08:42 AM
"There has been no bids for Sandro at this moment in time," said the Blues boss. "There'll be no loan as far as my recommendation is.You'd have thought a loan option would be ideal, let him go to another premiership team where he'll play, if it goes tits up we'll still get more than the 6 million we paid for him anyway
"But I don't make the final decision, it's made by everyone (at the club).
Made by EVERYONE at the club? This sounds a little scary to me....probably where the indecision has come from...
Post by: bigmanbob on January 05, 2018, 04:31:22 AM
He needs going to have to do the same job as DCL, but hopefully able to finish more of the chances that DCL has missed.that's just it though we haven't been making chances for our strikers to miss
Post by: Shogun on January 05, 2018, 01:01:19 PM
Worked with Allardyce before. 27 years old.
Worth taking a look at imo.
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 05, 2018, 02:24:43 PM
Yann M'Vila off on a free to St Etienne.Had the world at his feet that lad
Worked with Allardyce before. 27 years old.
Worth taking a look at imo.
Post by: Shogun on January 05, 2018, 02:31:07 PM
Had the world at his feet that lad
Yeah could have played for much better clubs than he has so far.
Post by: GLewis on January 05, 2018, 02:45:05 PM
Yeah could have played for much better clubs than he has so far.
Yes, us!
Post by: Lxxx on January 05, 2018, 03:16:47 PM
"There has been no bids for Sandro at this moment in time," said the Blues boss. "There'll be no loan as far as my recommendation is.
"But I don't make the final decision, it's made by everyone (at the club).
Made by EVERYONE at the club? This sounds a little scary to me....probably where the indecision has come from...
All sounds as it should be.
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on January 05, 2018, 08:24:40 PM
<sad face>
Post by: Hawkandro on January 05, 2018, 09:25:15 PM
In other news...
https://twitter.com/LilleyGazette/status/949265339023613952
Post by: Ravardo on January 05, 2018, 09:31:02 PM
Post by: Brownie20 on January 05, 2018, 09:57:44 PM
Really gutted it hasn't worked out for Sandro; absolutely smashing the PL in my FM18 save. 19 goals in 21 games for us.
In other news...
https://twitter.com/LilleyGazette/status/949265339023613952
50 goals for me last season
Post by: Lincs Toffee on January 05, 2018, 10:02:45 PM
Post by: penguinofdoom1878 on January 06, 2018, 04:32:59 AM
Would be happy with Luke Shaw and N'Zonzie in this window, probably clear out Mirallas, Besic, Sandro and McCarthy to ease the wage bill too and it would have been a good window...shame about Sandro like
N'Zonzie isnt very good, wouldnt be bothered if we didnt sign him. Would take Luke Shaw but dont think he'll leave this window.
Post by: Heisenberg on January 06, 2018, 04:45:26 AM
Even the striker should have been in on the 1st. Its all just so slow
Post by: Goaljira on January 06, 2018, 04:46:08 AM
Post by: mikey_blue on January 06, 2018, 05:15:39 AM
Have we even been linked to an left backs yet?
Van Aanholt and there's the spurious Luke Shaw links every now and again.
Post by: Makis on January 06, 2018, 05:56:44 AM
http://readeverton.com/2017/12/20/everton-eye-january-move-joe-bryan/
http://sportwitness.co.uk/everton-keen-sign-29-year-old-fullback-hes-also-keen-move-reasonable-chance-success/
Post by: Heisenberg on January 06, 2018, 06:40:24 AM
Post by: Brownie20 on January 06, 2018, 06:50:09 AM
Post by: blargins on January 06, 2018, 06:53:26 AM
Have we even been linked to an left backs yet?
Saw Luke Shaw's name crop up again today.
Post by: School of Science on January 06, 2018, 01:47:33 PM
Pulled out of the Seri deal apparently
Shame, he is just the type of player we need.
Post by: therealdunc on January 06, 2018, 02:00:09 PM
30 years of age
Post by: Waltzer on January 06, 2018, 02:10:10 PM
Pulled out of the Seri deal apparently
I suspect if true it was more a case of we got told there aint no way he'd sign for us, as opposed to us saying we dont want him
Post by: School of Science on January 06, 2018, 02:16:36 PM
I suspect if true it was more a case of we got told there aint no way he'd sign for us, as opposed to us saying we dont want him
Probably is that.
Post by: Juanito on January 06, 2018, 02:47:19 PM
Not feeling N'zonzi. We need less slow players
Did you see how McCarthy used the ball as a hot potato in the derby? N’Zonzi is the type of player than can put his foot on the ball, wait for the right pass and recycle the ball, so we keep possession. I think he is an improvement on all our defensive midfielders and if we play wingers in wingers positions and attacking midfielders in their positions, we should look ok.
Post by: Tony Clifton on January 06, 2018, 05:40:22 PM
I suspect if true it was more a case of we got told there aint no way he'd sign for us, as opposed to us saying we dont want him
Or he wasn’t confident we’d get the deal sorted by time the window closes...
Post by: Bob Sacamano on January 06, 2018, 05:53:45 PM
Post by: Hawkandro on January 06, 2018, 07:39:43 PM
Post by: Hawkandro on January 06, 2018, 07:43:02 PM
Linked with Boro left back George Friend.
30 years of age
Well, he can fuck off.
Post by: BlueForYou on January 06, 2018, 08:01:39 PM
It's not going to be Sessegnon or Tierney
I wonder if we will even enquire about the two best best (young)left backs in Britain? Or do we just concede and look down the pecking order?
Post by: Tinga on January 06, 2018, 09:05:26 PM
Linked with Boro left back George Friend.
30 years of age
How are we still scraping the bargain bin if this is true?.
Post by: ally2 on January 06, 2018, 10:05:05 PM
Post by: blueToffee on January 06, 2018, 10:43:40 PM
Post by: therealdunc on January 06, 2018, 11:52:37 PM
At the most it’s his agent making noise to see if there is any interest.
He still has a few years left on his current contract
Nothing to see IMO
Post by: Macca77 on January 07, 2018, 02:44:53 AM
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 07, 2018, 02:55:40 AM
Rumours we've made an offer for WalcottYour on fire tonight
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 07, 2018, 02:57:09 AM
Rumours we've made an offer for WalcottLad on tef says there is serious interest from us
Post by: Macca77 on January 07, 2018, 02:58:22 AM
Your on fire tonight
Touch me
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 07, 2018, 03:05:30 AM
No offence
Post by: Mayor Farnum on January 07, 2018, 03:18:50 AM
Post by: Macca77 on January 07, 2018, 03:22:54 AM
I'll need a wine or two first
No offence
Slag
Post by: Escla on January 07, 2018, 03:36:55 AM
Where do you find these rumours?
I think it works kind of like this....I say we are after say Mandy (just make it up like) then someone on
TEF posts on there “Lad on NSNO says we’re interested in Mendy” then there you have your rumour then everyone piles in with .....”he’s shit/too old/bees knees/ “ etc.etc. and yet another baseless rooms takes on a whole thread of its own.
Post by: Ravardo on January 07, 2018, 04:14:32 AM
Post by: toffee_scot on January 07, 2018, 04:15:06 AM
Post by: everton1952 on January 07, 2018, 04:36:20 AM
Post by: Lxxx on January 07, 2018, 04:56:44 AM
Post by: Bluedylan on January 07, 2018, 05:15:50 AM
Post by: cantoffee on January 07, 2018, 05:26:41 AM
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/everton-plot-more-january-transfer-11809595Can't see Swansea letting Mawson go in Jan unless they have given up.
Also can't see him being worth 25 million.
Not seen much of Doucoure but he seems decent.
Post by: Goaljira on January 07, 2018, 05:27:33 AM
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/everton-plot-more-january-transfer-11809595
Woohoo, more fun protracted negotiations with Swansea!
Imagine paying £80m for 3 Swansea players in 18 months. :o
Post by: Macca77 on January 07, 2018, 05:28:32 AM
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on January 07, 2018, 05:30:36 AM
Mawson is a bit average
He's s ringer for Rob Beckett too.
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 07, 2018, 05:33:24 AM
Post by: Bluedylan on January 07, 2018, 05:36:37 AM
Woohoo, more fun protracted negotiations with Swansea!
Imagine paying £80m for 3 Swansea players in 18 months. :o
Really like Doucouré though
Post by: april on January 07, 2018, 05:40:09 AM
Post by: Goaljira on January 07, 2018, 05:50:22 AM
Really like Doucouré though
Yeah, would have no problem with that one at all.
Post by: Goaljira on January 07, 2018, 05:51:47 AM
Has Galloway been forgotten as an option at LB? I know he’s on loan and seems to be considered a CB, but he was the best Baines cover in the last three years.
Not really the strongest list to be top of though. He's not a LB, and doesnt look like he'll make it with us as a CB now either.
Shame for the lad. At least we've moved Holgate inside sooner so hopefully won't repeat the trick again.
Post by: april on January 07, 2018, 05:56:39 AM
Not really the strongest list to be top of though. He's not a LB, and doesnt look like he'll make it with us as a CB now either.
Shame for the lad. At least we've moved Holgate inside sooner so hopefully won't repeat the trick again.
It really is a shame, had high hopes for him and for Browning.
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 07, 2018, 05:58:41 AM
Has Galloway been forgotten as an option at LB? I know he's on loan and seems to be considered a CB, but he was the best Baines cover in the last three years.Not good enough for a wank Sunderland side
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on January 07, 2018, 06:01:20 AM
Not good enough for a wank Sunderland side
Trying to play him as a left back though, he's grew up as a CB until we started messing that up.
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 07, 2018, 06:15:32 AM
Trying to play him as a left back though, he's grew up as a CB until we started messing that up.He was another in the lineup of oviedo and garbutt who people were saying should keep baines out the side
Personally dont think he is strong enough to be a cb
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on January 07, 2018, 06:19:47 AM
He was another in the lineup of oviedo and garbutt who people were saying should keep baines out the side
Personally dont think he is strong enough to be a cb
I think he has it all to be a CB, especially as Tyias Browning seems to flourishing at Sunderland, and I think Galloway is a better defender and better moving the ball forward. He was also signed as a CB from MKD.
He's been the victim of being shoehorned in to the wrong position with us, and also a couple of poor loan spells.
It's a shame because I think he had so much potential.
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 07, 2018, 06:23:13 AM
I think he has it all to be a CB, especially as Tyias Browning seems to flourishing at Sutherland, and I think Galloway is a better defender and better moving the ball forward. He was also signed as a CB from MKD.I never bought into either of them tbh
He's been the victim of being shoehorned in to the wrong position with us, and also a couple of poor loan spells.
It's a shame because I think he had so much potential.
Post by: Juanito on January 07, 2018, 06:29:36 AM
Not a fan of mawson, the Watford lad is decent but a bit similar to what we have
Nah, Dacoure is better than what we have in defensive midfield.
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 07, 2018, 06:39:18 AM
Nah, Dacoure is better than what we have in defensive midfield.Not seen enough of him tbh
He's been at Watford for three years which surprised me
Post by: Goaljira on January 07, 2018, 06:43:50 AM
Not seen enough of him tbh
He's been at Watford for three years which surprised me
I thought they'd got him last January. Dont remember him before that. Then again I didnt watch much Watford then either.
Post by: sam of the south on January 07, 2018, 07:00:23 AM
Buy:
Tosun
Shaw
Walcott
Doucoure
Mawson
Sell/Release:
Barkley
Mirallas
Klaassen
Niasse
Funes Mori
Schneiderlin
Stekelenburg
Sandro
Williams
McCarthy
Besic
Martina
Pickford
Coleman Holgate Mawson Shaw
Vlasic Doucoure Sigurdsson
Walcott Tosun Bolasie
Onyekuru DCL Lookman
Rooney Gana Davies
Baines Jagielka Keane Kenny
Robles
Post by: Shogun on January 07, 2018, 07:05:03 AM
Even Funes Mori seems near a return so that would be 5 first team squad CBs.
Doucoure is a baller and Silva will get the best out of him for us next season so I'd love that.
Post by: Ravardo on January 07, 2018, 07:09:31 AM
Post by: Shogun on January 07, 2018, 07:11:54 AM
What is doucoure a definsive mid or someone who can actually pass the ball and attack
6 league goals this season
Post by: blueToffee on January 07, 2018, 09:21:42 AM
Post by: bluenuck on January 07, 2018, 11:37:44 AM
Even Funes Mori seems near a return so that would be 5 first team squad CBs.
I asked about him a couple months ago on here and was told he's gone for the whole season....????
Post by: Jamokachi on January 07, 2018, 11:43:07 AM
I asked about him a couple months ago on here and was told he's gone for the whole season....????
Pretty much...
On an seperate note, according to this website Michael Carrick is out with a heart condition?!
http://www.physioroom.com/news/english_premier_league/epl_injury_table.php#c8
Post by: TheRam on January 07, 2018, 03:36:02 PM
Post by: eugene on January 07, 2018, 03:46:27 PM
Mirallas out, Walcott in would be good business.So what is the story on Walcott have we had any kind of contact or just rumours
Post by: Trowel on January 07, 2018, 03:59:55 PM
Post by: Lxxx on January 07, 2018, 04:12:40 PM
I never bought into either of them tbh
You mean you didn’t concur that Browning was the best one on one defender at the club?
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on January 07, 2018, 04:19:48 PM
You mean you didn't concur that Browning was the best one on one defender at the club?Haha he did spout some shit, didn’t he? Even allowing for the fact it isn’t his first language. I remember him saying something like ‘Leandro Rodriguez had a unique skill-set’ or something. Cringe-bag.
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on January 07, 2018, 04:21:18 PM
Should be all over dacoure.Good player. Another unimaginative target though. And he’d cost a fortune.
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on January 07, 2018, 04:23:31 PM
Haha he did spout some shit, didn’t he? Even allowing for the fact it isn’t his first language. I remember him saying something like ‘Leandro Rodriguez had a unique skill-set’ or something. Cringe-bag.
Ian Snodin had been saying it about Browning a long time before Martinez had.
Post by: ally2 on January 07, 2018, 04:32:37 PM
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on January 07, 2018, 04:41:08 PM
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on January 07, 2018, 04:48:12 PM
Post by: Mayor Farnum on January 07, 2018, 05:12:17 PM
Post by: Lxxx on January 07, 2018, 05:43:27 PM
You want a mix of ages in your squad. A smattering of experienced players is essential.
You ideally don’t want your experienced players to be the ones whose main asset has always been their pace though.
Post by: Mayor Farnum on January 07, 2018, 05:46:23 PM
You ideally don’t want your experienced players to be the ones whose main asset has always been their pace though.
He's not lost his pace. Is comfortable on the ball and elusive to defenders. A significant upgrade on what we have.
Post by: Lxxx on January 07, 2018, 07:31:07 PM
He's not lost his pace. Is comfortable on the ball and elusive to defenders. A significant upgrade on what we have.
I didn’t say he had. But he’s at an age where whatever advantage he had over opposition defenders is going to decrease steadily.
I would also question your assertion that he’s comfortable on the ball. That’s always been one of his weaknesses.
Post by: therealdunc on January 07, 2018, 07:36:13 PM
People are forgetting arsenal gave him a bumper wage a few years ago, he won’t be cheap
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on January 07, 2018, 07:44:29 PM
Post by: ally2 on January 07, 2018, 08:12:00 PM
Just out of curiosity (as all 3 are on the periphery of the Arsenal team and could be available) who would you rather have; Walcott, Welbeck or Giroud?
Welbeck is another myth of a player. And Giroud, well he can do one now.
Post by: Shogun on January 07, 2018, 08:24:36 PM
I asked about him a couple months ago on here and was told he's gone for the whole season....????
Sure I read he was training again
Post by: Makis on January 07, 2018, 08:50:55 PM
Post by: Heisenberg on January 07, 2018, 09:21:14 PM
Post by: eugene on January 07, 2018, 09:24:51 PM
Watched sevilla last night who got beat 5-3 by betis. I'm so sure that N' Zonzi wont be any better this time around in the prem than he was last time.Are we deffo interested or is it media rumblings?
Post by: Ross on January 07, 2018, 09:27:46 PM
Are we deffo interested or is it media rumblings?
Allardyce said he’s interested in one of press conferences.
Post by: Dr. Sponge on January 07, 2018, 10:04:32 PM
Post by: Bluedylan on January 07, 2018, 10:14:00 PM
Watched sevilla last night who got beat 5-3 by betis. I'm so sure that N' Zonzi wont be any better this time around in the prem than he was last time.
Yeah watching one game randomly is defo the best way to make your mind up about a player. Give Steve Walsh a bell. He might give you a job.
Post by: Heisenberg on January 07, 2018, 10:25:59 PM
Yeah watching one game randomly is defo the best way to make your mind up about a player. Give Steve Walsh a bell. He might give you a job.
Tbf it does read like that. But I do watch a fair bit of la liga (the bigger teams) and have been against this transfer before this game. Going back in this thread you'd see that. But I specifically went out my way to watch his game in this and don't think hes what we need at all.
Post by: Hannibal Lecter on January 07, 2018, 10:47:39 PM
Tbf it does read like that. But I do watch a fair bit of la liga (the bigger teams) and have been against this transfer before this game. Going back in this thread you'd see that. But I specifically went out my way to watch his game in this and don't think hes what we need at all.It is a derby though.
Watch our derby once or even twice and everyone in blue looks like like amatuers.
No good game to make assessment on players.
Post by: TheRam on January 07, 2018, 10:49:31 PM
Should be all over that one.
Post by: therealdunc on January 08, 2018, 02:00:20 AM
Post by: Cereal Killer on January 08, 2018, 02:29:30 AM
Leon Osman very critical of Theo Walcotts performance today
I thought he could offer something, but today he was woeful against Championship opposition
Post by: brap2 on January 08, 2018, 02:31:18 AM
I thought he could offer something, but today he was woeful against Championship opposition
I’ve been on board for Walcott but he looked absolutely fucking finished tonight.
I can understand why we would make this transfer but tbh I think there must be better options out there.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 08, 2018, 02:34:14 AM
Post by: Heisenberg on January 08, 2018, 02:57:03 AM
Post by: Confucius on January 08, 2018, 11:39:05 AM
Post by: Hawkandro on January 08, 2018, 02:43:40 PM
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on January 08, 2018, 06:39:55 PM
(up until he dry bummed us for £20m of course).
Post by: stirlingblue on January 08, 2018, 06:41:17 PM
Just because a player turns 30 doesn't mean they suddenly lose their pace
Post by: gizzblue on January 08, 2018, 07:37:11 PM
Post by: mikey_blue on January 08, 2018, 07:42:12 PM
Post by: GLewis on January 08, 2018, 07:42:17 PM
How old is Lennon? Or Arjen Robben? Or Ronaldo?
Just because a player turns 30 doesn't mean they suddenly lose their pace
No, although Ronaldo has slowed quite a bit.
It’s more the risk of it happening, which is higher as you get older.
Then factor in fee and wages (both assumed to be high) and risk factor increases.
Lennon was £4m so was worth the punt.
If Walcott was £25-30m plus £125k a week (4 year deal say), it’s got to be a consideration that if his pace did drop would you still want him at that cost.
Post by: gizzblue on January 08, 2018, 07:51:16 PM
No, although Ronaldo has slowed quite a bit.Thing is you also need to factor in how much would a younger fitter Lennon be costing in today's strange market.
It's more the risk of it happening, which is higher as you get older.
Then factor in fee and wages (both assumed to be high) and risk factor increases.
Lennon was £4m so was worth the punt.
If Walcott was £25-30m plus £125k a week (4 year deal say), it's got to be a consideration that if his pace did drop would you still want him at that cost.
Post by: brap2 on January 08, 2018, 07:53:41 PM
Thing is you also need to factor in how much would a younger fitter Lennon be costing in today's strange market.
Shlupp went to palace for £11m last jan, so I would say somewhere around that.
Post by: Lxxx on January 08, 2018, 07:55:47 PM
How old is Lennon? Or Arjen Robben? Or Ronaldo?
Just because a player turns 30 doesn't mean they suddenly lose their pace
If you're spending big money both in terms of fee and wages you want to be reasonably sure you're getting value for it over the course of the contract. If Vardy was 22 for example he'd have some of the biggest clubs in the world knocking on his door, as Robben did and as Ronaldo did. Buying a speed merchant on the basis of that attribute for big money towards the end of his career doesn't make financial and footballing sense.
Post by: Bob Sacamano on January 08, 2018, 08:09:31 PM
Post by: therealdunc on January 08, 2018, 08:35:19 PM
He knows his England World Cup chances have gone.
Post by: Cereal Killer on January 08, 2018, 08:39:58 PM
Post by: therealdunc on January 08, 2018, 08:41:30 PM
Or maybe he's just old school and wants to actually play regular football rather than sit on his arse collecting a pay check??He was told he could move on in the summer according to a lot of the arsenal forums but decided against it.
And that was after signing Lacazette and not selling Giroud.
He knows unless he can find a right mug of a club, no one will pay him his current wages
Post by: therealdunc on January 08, 2018, 08:53:52 PM
Post by: Lxxx on January 08, 2018, 09:00:43 PM
Walcott signed a new deal on £140k a week in 2015, no way he is leaving the comfort of London unless someone pays him more
He knows his England World Cup chances have gone.
If he goes it'll be back to Southampton with Arsenal paying him off.
Post by: toshyboy on January 09, 2018, 12:23:03 AM
What's this NSNO tweet about Vardy? Top trolling?
This ????
Came on here expecting to find details of a detail, but this is the only mention????
Post by: D15TIN on January 09, 2018, 03:45:24 AM
Post by: blueski on January 09, 2018, 04:02:47 AM
Can't believe weve not been linked with a left back, even a stop gap for 6 months would do - we literally have no fit/available left backs.another position koeman made a mess of
maybe the club doesn't want to carry 3 left backs in an already bloated squad where left footed funes mori is maybe close to a return?
Post by: Bluebridge on January 09, 2018, 04:03:58 AM
Can't believe weve not been linked with a left back, even a stop gap for 6 months would do - we literally have no fit/available left backs.We do, Garbutt, can't he be registered this window? anybody know?
Post by: Dr. Sponge on January 09, 2018, 04:20:28 AM
Post by: ally2 on January 09, 2018, 04:25:54 AM
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on January 09, 2018, 04:29:36 AM
Post by: brap2 on January 09, 2018, 05:50:18 AM
The lad couldn’t get a game on loan. He’s that bad we didn’t even register him. He’s clearly never, ever going to make it at Everton.
Post by: sixymack on January 09, 2018, 09:44:09 AM
Post by: Macca77 on January 09, 2018, 01:53:40 PM
Oh my god if I see the name Luke fucking Garbutt one more time im going to explode.
The lad couldn’t get a game on loan. He’s that bad we didn’t even register him. He’s clearly never, ever going to make it at Everton.
This
Post by: therealdunc on January 09, 2018, 02:09:06 PM
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 09, 2018, 03:02:42 PM
Oh my god if I see the name Luke fucking Garbutt one more time im going to explode.On loan in League one!!
The lad couldn’t get a game on loan. He’s that bad we didn’t even register him. He’s clearly never, ever going to make it at Everton.
Post by: blue slug on January 09, 2018, 05:09:01 PM
Post by: Lxxx on January 09, 2018, 05:11:38 PM
The echo are reporting we are after andre silva from ac milan, that would be a great signing if trueI'm sure we'd have to get rid of a few midfielders for that to happen. Sam has already said we have too many of them to start with.
Post by: sam of the south on January 09, 2018, 05:18:22 PM
I'm sure we'd have to get rid of a few midfielders for that to happen. Sam has already said we have too many of them to start with.
Here's hoping 🤞🏼
Post by: Lxxx on January 09, 2018, 05:22:50 PM
Here's hoping 🤞🏼
True. We have four that aren't good enough so it'd be fine by me.
Post by: mikey_blue on January 09, 2018, 05:30:20 PM
The echo are reporting we are after andre silva from ac milan, that would be a great signing if true
I'll be asphyxi-wanking myself silly if we send the delegation to go and get him.
Post by: Waltzer on January 09, 2018, 05:32:20 PM
The echo are reporting we are after andre silva from ac milan, that would be a great signing if true
Id be happy with that, initial 6 month loan with a view to buy. We lent them Gerry so they owe us one!! :)
Post by: Macca77 on January 09, 2018, 05:37:16 PM
Post by: TheRam on January 09, 2018, 05:47:03 PM
Waits for it to be reported elsewhere then tweets about it.
Post by: Macca77 on January 09, 2018, 05:49:43 PM
Classic Myers.
Waits for it to be reported elsewhere then tweets about it.
It will be "Sky Sources" next
Post by: therealdunc on January 09, 2018, 05:57:22 PM
That could of course be a sporting director upset Everton aren’t desperate to move him on and they can’t get him on the cheap.
Post by: Bluenose 91 on January 09, 2018, 06:10:31 PM
Post by: Waltzer on January 09, 2018, 06:14:50 PM
Why is this Silva getting bombed out of AC so soon?
Probably the same reason we'd bite someones hand off if we got anywhere near 25 million for Klaassen, it isnt working out. The longer they leave it the more his value depreciates.
Post by: gizzblue on January 09, 2018, 06:16:05 PM
Post by: Bluedylan on January 09, 2018, 06:43:23 PM
Why is this Silva getting bombed out of AC so soon?
Yet to score in Serie A.
Not true anyway -
http://readeverton.com/2018/01/09/everton-target-silva-set-to-stay-at-milan/
Post by: Hawkandro on January 09, 2018, 06:44:53 PM
Post by: Cereal Killer on January 09, 2018, 06:53:49 PM
Or has the whole Klaassen experience causing us to swerve players from the Dutch/Belgian league?
Post by: Ravardo on January 09, 2018, 06:55:55 PM
Post by: Hawkandro on January 09, 2018, 06:57:52 PM
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 09, 2018, 07:01:41 PM
AC Milan are also under pressure money-wise, aren't they? Investigations into their takeover.
Read somewhere that they'd borrowed a lot from a hedge fund and if they don't pay it back soon the hedge fund will own the club
They are in the bottom half of the league. Looks like it's all turned to shit
Post by: Hawkandro on January 09, 2018, 07:06:19 PM
Read somewhere that they'd borrowed a lot from a hedge fund and if they don't pay it back soon the hedge fund will own the club
They are in the bottom half of the league. Looks like it's all turned to shit
They've right-royally Evertoned it up.
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on January 09, 2018, 07:16:32 PM
Celta Vigo sporting director has moaned to the local paper that Everton won’t sell Sandro and don’t want him to leave.
That could of course be a sporting director upset Everton aren’t desperate to move him on and they can’t get him on the cheap.
More like the latter.
We ain’t gonna let him go for anything less we go him for. Given his age and potential we should aim for at least doubling our money.
Post by: Bob Sacamano on January 09, 2018, 07:59:58 PM
Rakitic may be available. Worth a punt, but will undoubtedly want 'Champions League'.
Love him. Bet he goes to the neighbours. 🤨
Post by: dax78 on January 09, 2018, 08:04:45 PM
We have Tosun, DCL, Sandr/Naisse, and Rooney if required.
Post by: blueToffee on January 09, 2018, 09:26:08 PM
Even if we don't bring in another striker, one of Sandro or Naisse will still leave.
We have Tosun, DCL, Sandr/Naisse, and Rooney if required.
If we imagine Tosun will be first choice for the rest of the season, it might not be the worst idea to loan out DCL to keep giving him game time.
Perhaps give Sandro more minutes as a sub to see if he can get up to speed with the PL.
Post by: Rodenplav64 on January 09, 2018, 09:26:39 PM
Rakitic may be available. Worth a punt, but will undoubtedly want 'Champions League'.
Quality player . Surely no chance though .
Post by: Lxxx on January 09, 2018, 09:29:48 PM
Post by: Shropshire Blue on January 09, 2018, 09:32:55 PM
If we imagine Tosun will be first choice for the rest of the season, it might not be the worst idea to loan out DCL to keep giving him game time.I don't think he needs game time I think he needs to spend a bit less time on the pitch given the load he has carried in recent months and also without the responsibility of being the 'main striker'.
Perhaps give Sandro more minutes as a sub to see if he can get up to speed with the PL.
You can over-use young players and damage their development. For some it works but overall they need to be playing in a way that puts their development needs first.
I think he's learned fast but, like the other youngsters, you can see the inexperience as well and the last thing a youngster needs is a serious knock to his confidence which is a risk if their mistakes are seen to cost points.
Post by: blueToffee on January 09, 2018, 09:35:34 PM
I don't think he needs game time I think he needs to spend a bit less time on the pitch given the load he has carried in recent months and also without the responsibility of being the 'main striker'.
You can over-use young players and damage their development. For some it works but overall they need to be playing in a way that puts their development needs first.
I think he's learned fast but, like the other youngsters, you can see the inexperience as well and the last thing a youngster needs is a serious knock to his confidence which is a risk if their mistakes are seen to cost points.
That's fine, I'd just expect after playing so much he might find it a bit hard to adjust to getting 10-20 mins here or there for instance if we're also trying out Sandro for example, or giving more game time to Lookman or Vlasic on the wing so he'd not get a look in there either.
I think he is a 20 min sub kinda player right now though, we just put him in a position where we needed to rely on him a lot more.
Post by: Shropshire Blue on January 09, 2018, 09:41:57 PM
Overall I think the younger/inexperienced ones have done really well and hopefully next season, certainly the one after, we shouldn't be needing to buy as many as this group matures.
There's so much potential there that even if only half progress to regular starters the future is looking bright.
Post by: eugene on January 09, 2018, 09:44:02 PM
Celta Vigo sporting director has moaned to the local paper that Everton won't sell Sandro and don't want him to leave.Well let’s do what everyone has done to us and hold out for the top dollar
That could of course be a sporting director upset Everton aren't desperate to move him on and they can't get him on the cheap.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 09, 2018, 09:55:58 PM
Well let’s do what everyone has done to us and hold out for the top dollar
Plus they messed us around too. Dragged out signing the papers even though we met the clause. Fuck um.
Post by: Lxxx on January 09, 2018, 10:40:33 PM
I don't think he needs game time I think he needs to spend a bit less time on the pitch given the load he has carried in recent months and also without the responsibility of being the 'main striker'.
You can over-use young players and damage their development. For some it works but overall they need to be playing in a way that puts their development needs first.
I think he's learned fast but, like the other youngsters, you can see the inexperience as well and the last thing a youngster needs is a serious knock to his confidence which is a risk if their mistakes are seen to cost points.
Agreed. If DCL doesn't play another game this season he's more than exceeded his and our expectations for this stage of his development. If Niasse goes and he only gets a few minutes here and there then that'll still be a great season and he'll have given his body and mind the rest they probably need.
Post by: TheRam on January 09, 2018, 11:33:41 PM
I'd have him
Post by: Juanito on January 10, 2018, 02:41:04 AM
Linked in the star, so not great but would be a good signing. I think if we got someone like him and say, Shaw - we would have a good balanced side again.
Pickford
Coleman Holgate Keane Shaw
Gana Nzonzi
Bolasie Sigurdsson Gaitán
Tosun
Post by: blue slug on January 10, 2018, 02:43:48 AM
Post by: Juanito on January 10, 2018, 02:47:11 AM
That’s a good looking starting 11 Juanito
Looks balanced doesn’t it? Would like to replace Shaw with Phillip Max, he has the most assists in Europe at the moment but I think a lot of Champions league teams are linked.
Post by: Mick 1995 on January 10, 2018, 05:19:30 PM
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Abroad, Valencia and Everton are the sides that principally want him. Stefano’s situation is clear: Juve won’t let him go, because he’s a player the Bianconeri need.
Naturally, we are pleased at interest from Italy and abroad with so many clubs calling us, but the directors are saying no to everybody.
Also reports that City & Arsenal are after Shaw and we have backed out of the race/told no as we can't offer European football.
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 10, 2018, 05:55:59 PM
Sturaro's agent:Walsh got him for me on fm
Also reports that City & Arsenal are after Shaw and we have backed out of the race/told no as we can't offer European football.
He's been a beast too
Post by: Dr. Sponge on January 10, 2018, 11:45:14 PM
Post by: TheRam on January 10, 2018, 11:49:21 PM
Post by: brap2 on January 11, 2018, 12:17:01 AM
Post by: gizzblue on January 11, 2018, 12:29:22 AM
Post by: Cozzie on January 11, 2018, 01:00:15 AM
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 11, 2018, 01:11:28 AM
Cuco Martina is our saviour.
To be honest I think we are in a position now where we are better off sticking with what we have than settling for targets we don't really want. Season is over. If they think they can do better in the summer I'd sooner wait
Post by: Jamokachi on January 11, 2018, 04:49:25 AM
Especially with no Garbutt training with the first team...or dragging the lad back from Sunderland ..ffs.
@brap2 (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=666)
Post by: Ravardo on January 11, 2018, 05:03:44 AM
http://www.squawka.com/players/alejandro-gomez/stats#performance-score#atalanta-(current)#italian-serie-a#21#season-2017/2018#869#all-matches#1-20#by-match
http://www.squawka.com/players/nicolas-gaitan/stats#performance-score#atl%C3%A9tico-de-madrid-(current)#spanish-la-liga#23#season-2017/2018#862#all-matches#1-18#by-match
http://www.squawka.com/players/theo-walcott/stats#performance-score#arsenal-(current)#english-barclays-premier-league#8#season-2017/2018#819#all-matches#1-22#by-match
Scroll back through the seasons
Post by: Bob Sacamano on January 11, 2018, 05:39:50 AM
:smug:
Post by: brap2 on January 11, 2018, 05:51:05 AM
@brap2 (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=666)
Kablamo.
Post by: blargins on January 11, 2018, 06:11:06 AM
Walsh got him for me on fm
He's been a beast too
Can we fire real Walsh and employ cyber Walsh instead?
Post by: gizzblue on January 11, 2018, 06:27:25 AM
Kablamo.I'd wager having an actual left back is better than Coco the fucking clown constantly breaking down attacks cos he lacks any left foot at all.
Talk about two right feet ....good for dancing shit on the left flank.
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on January 11, 2018, 06:29:57 AM
Post by: therealdunc on January 11, 2018, 03:38:30 PM
West Ham want Jagielka and are willing to swap him for £14mill and Hernandez
I wonder if Bills comments about their ground this week will effect negotiations?
Post by: Lxxx on January 11, 2018, 03:41:00 PM
Heard this now of 2 different people
West Ham want Jagielka and are willing to swap him for £14mill and Hernandez
I wonder if Bills comments about their ground this week will effect negotiations?
I'd hold out for £15m.
Post by: Bob Sacamano on January 11, 2018, 03:41:04 PM
Wouldn’t touch him tbh.
Post by: Cozzie on January 11, 2018, 03:41:46 PM
Think he has always been an over rated mound of horse shite if I am being honest.
Post by: TheRam on January 11, 2018, 03:44:05 PM
Six months to save your career. Then get a left back in the summer
Post by: Ramjam on January 11, 2018, 03:49:54 PM
Davy also available
Williams
Schniderlin
Niasse
Coco the clown
Klaassen
Sandro
Unfortunately you’ve missed out on Miralles so don’t hang about make a job lot offer.
Post by: therealdunc on January 11, 2018, 03:52:14 PM
Can’t find it on the web
Post by: Waltzer on January 11, 2018, 04:40:17 PM
Post by: Hawkandro on January 11, 2018, 04:42:48 PM
Post by: Waltzer on January 11, 2018, 04:52:26 PM
Am I the only person who would be happy with Hernandez? Set your team up correctly and he will score a bagful of goals.
Don't know how Tosun is going to turn out, but id say hes much better than Niasse and DCL so would easily be a better back up option than either of those
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 11, 2018, 04:55:47 PM
Am I the only person who would be happy with Hernandez? Set your team up correctly and he will score a bagful of goals.
He's on crazy money though. We can't take a West Ham failure on over 100k a week.
Post by: ally2 on January 11, 2018, 04:59:51 PM
Post by: Danny on January 11, 2018, 05:00:25 PM
He's on crazy money though. We can't take a West Ham failure on over 100k a week.
Probably failing at West Ham because they're appallingly shite, was a good finisher at Leverkusen and United, that and 100k per week would be supplemented by not paying 35 mill to sign him, having said that I think we should be looking for players with higher sell on value now, we aren't going down and need to build a new longer term squad.
That and fuck selling Jagielka to West Ham, he doesn't deserve it.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 11, 2018, 05:03:04 PM
Probably failing at West Ham because they're appallingly shite, was a good finisher at Leverkusen and United, that and 100k per week would be supplemented by not paying 35 mill to sign him, having said that I think we should be looking for players with higher sell on value now, we aren't going down and need to build a new longer term squad.
That and fuck selling Jagielka to West Ham, he doesn't deserve it.
Could be that West Ham are shit or it could be that he's shit too. They got him for next to nothing and he's on 100k plus a week. He's failed there. He's done nothing to justify what it cost West Ham. Why would we agree to take over the cost with the added risk of a big new failure on his record
Post by: Makis on January 11, 2018, 05:05:23 PM
Post by: Danny on January 11, 2018, 05:08:38 PM
Hernandez is a poacher and I can't see how he would fit in.
Wasn't really a poacher at Leverkusen.
Post by: indiantoffee1975 on January 11, 2018, 05:16:28 PM
Post by: Hawkandro on January 11, 2018, 05:17:33 PM
Post by: therealdunc on January 11, 2018, 05:57:01 PM
His best days are long gone, be good to cash in from Moyes again
Post by: therealdunc on January 11, 2018, 05:59:38 PM
That forum is meant to be discussing Swansea signing Klassen !
Need to register to look at it, but my mate reckons he is the swans latest target
Post by: kewns23 on January 11, 2018, 06:12:08 PM
https://thejack.army/forums/swansea-city.4/
I could see this happening as a loan
I don’t would send him and get a big loan fee too or just deduct some what we owe them for sig
That forum is meant to be discussing Swansea signing Klassen !
Need to register to look at it, but my mate reckons he is the swans latest target
Post by: gizzblue on January 11, 2018, 07:16:47 PM
Don't want to be labelled a crank like the others but I'd honesty get Garbutt back in the frame.Looks like Sam has the same idea ...read this morning Sam has told Garbutt to step it up and salvage his career .👍
Six months to save your career. Then get a left back in the summer
Post by: Bluenose 91 on January 11, 2018, 07:24:35 PM
Torino rumoured to be interested in Besic
Fucking hell if this happens as well as Mirallas leaving this could be our best ever window.
Post by: Lxxx on January 11, 2018, 07:27:21 PM
Looks like Sam has the same idea ...read this morning Sam has told Garbutt to step it up and salvage his career .👍
Wouldn't be averse to this if we can't find a suitable profile of player in this window. Makes more sense than persevering with Martina and if Garbutt really isn't good enough then slot Martina back in until Baines is fit. Nothing lost.
Post by: brap2 on January 11, 2018, 07:55:51 PM
Am I the only person who would be happy with Hernandez? Set your team up correctly and he will score a bagful of goals.
Garbage player
Post by: formerKHL on January 11, 2018, 08:06:32 PM
Post by: brap2 on January 11, 2018, 09:33:31 PM
throw a cheeky "serious" bid at mahrez ??
Would be a great signing. If no CL teams want him and we can maybe offer him a step up in wages then would be a great signing for us.
Front the right cutting in or down the middle.
Post by: Mick 1995 on January 11, 2018, 09:37:26 PM
Post by: Waltzer on January 11, 2018, 09:40:39 PM
Be happy to cash in on Jagielka , long past his best and we have 3 arguably 4 players (if you include Browning) who can play centre half.Jags is past his best, but hes probably still better than what we've got. Id be happier if he went at the end of the season, unless we've already got someone in the bag to come in for him
His best days are long gone, be good to cash in from Moyes again
Post by: Juanito on January 11, 2018, 09:42:46 PM
Post by: Macca77 on January 11, 2018, 09:53:18 PM
http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11671/11203415/everton-consider-move-for-lille-defender-adama-soumaoro
Soumaoro has made just six starts in Ligue 1 this season after missing the start of the campaign with an Achilles injury.
Swerve
Post by: Lxxx on January 11, 2018, 09:58:43 PM
Post by: Dr. Sponge on January 11, 2018, 10:02:59 PM
If we get an offer for Jags that he's keen on then we should let him go with our blessing, makes no sense keeping him here if he's got options elsewhere. We've got one game a week from here on in and he's been a great servant for the club. We have three centre halves to rotate from and Keane and Holgate could do with runs in the side to show what they can do, with the experience of Coleman and Baines to come back either side of them for support.
We wouldn't gain anything from letting him go this month. Mori isn't fit yet so we'd be one injury away from having no first team CBs on the bench.
Plus, let give him a good send off at the end of the season.
Post by: therealdunc on January 11, 2018, 11:19:26 PM
We wouldn't gain anything from letting him go this month. Mori isn't fit yet so we'd be one injury away from having no first team CBs on the bench.
Plus, let give him a good send off at the end of the season.
We are a football club not a charity
If we can get some decent income for a player who is heading closer to 40 than 30 and is clearly on the decline, sell, sell, sell.
Post by: Ravardo on January 11, 2018, 11:35:10 PM
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 11, 2018, 11:42:57 PM
Be happy to cash in on Jagielka , long past his best and we have 3 arguably 4 players (if you include Browning) who can play centre half.Browning is shit
His best days are long gone, be good to cash in from Moyes again
Ffs, he shouldn't be anywhere near the side
Post by: Macca77 on January 12, 2018, 01:09:29 AM
Post by: Shogun on January 12, 2018, 01:17:16 AM
Browning is shit
Ffs, he shouldn't be anywhere near the side
Doing well at Sunderland.
He's poor on the ball but doesn't seem to have any other issues with his game.
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 12, 2018, 01:37:36 AM
Doing well at Sunderland.It's a no from me
He's poor on the ball but doesn't seem to have any other issues with his game.
He's only played a third of Sunderland games.
Post by: Thornton_19 on January 12, 2018, 01:55:30 AM
Post by: Ross on January 12, 2018, 01:57:13 AM
It's a no from me
He's only played a third of Sunderland games.
Sunderland are a basket case club, it was an awful loan destination just like his last one.
He’s shown enough in our first team to be the benefit of the doubt rather than judging him on two very poorly chosen loan deals.
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 12, 2018, 02:04:53 AM
Sunderland are a basket case club, it was an awful loan destination just like his last one.And I've said that all along as well
He's shown enough in our first team to be the benefit of the doubt rather than judging him on two very poorly chosen loan deals.
Post by: blue slug on January 12, 2018, 02:06:16 AM
Post by: Shogun on January 12, 2018, 02:07:34 AM
It's a no from me
He's only played a third of Sunderland games.
Only because of injuries.
Most Sunderland fans have been positive of him.
Post by: Goaljira on January 12, 2018, 02:14:11 AM
Post by: Alanvideo on January 12, 2018, 02:14:18 AM
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 12, 2018, 02:22:52 AM
Are people talking about Browning or Galloway? I think some are talking about one, and some the other?I'm talking about both tbh
Neither of them imo are good enough
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on January 12, 2018, 02:40:23 AM
Post by: blue slug on January 12, 2018, 02:54:16 AM
I'm talking about both tbh
Neither of them imo are good enough
I think they’re championship players to be honest
Post by: Jamokachi on January 12, 2018, 04:01:25 AM
Post by: Danny on January 12, 2018, 10:25:27 PM
Post by: GLewis on January 12, 2018, 11:04:31 PM
Wish we’d just offer Lyon 50 mill for Fekir
Aouar looked the best for them in our games.
Think Fekir might get run out of a few PL games.
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 12, 2018, 11:06:25 PM
Wish we'd just offer Lyon 50 mill for FekirThink he's seen enough of us to knock us back
Post by: brap2 on January 13, 2018, 01:39:40 AM
Doing well at Sunderland.
He's poor on the ball but doesn't seem to have any other issues with his game.
Last time I saw him play for Sunderland it was I think one of his first games back from injury and he was actually fucking laughable.
Post by: brap2 on January 13, 2018, 01:40:53 AM
Basically a lad on reddit has said that everton have a very ambitious manager lined up for the summer and some serious dough to be spent.
“A lot of people are going to be surprised - most of Europe.”
Post by: Bob Sacamano on January 13, 2018, 01:46:48 AM
One of the most tenuous of tenuous rumours I’ve ever seen...
Basically a lad on reddit has said that everton have a very ambitious manager lined up for the summer and some serious dough to be spent.
“A lot of people are going to be surprised - most of Europe.”
Reddit is a black hole of absolute bat shit craziness. I fucking love it. Some days I get so lost in the comment sections I think it changes me as a person. It’s so meta I don’t actually know what’s real anymore.
Post by: eugene on January 13, 2018, 01:51:10 AM
Only because of injuries.But he’s a premier League player if he’s any good he should stand out like pele
Most Sunderland fans have been positive of him.
Post by: Dr. Sponge on January 13, 2018, 02:08:11 AM
We are a football club not a charity
If we can get some decent income for a player who is heading closer to 40 than 30 and is clearly on the decline, sell, sell, sell.
You and I both agree Allardyce is a decent manager and that's the only time I've ever agreed with what you said.
Mad innit.
Post by: blueski on January 14, 2018, 07:27:22 AM
Post by: TheRam on January 14, 2018, 08:23:03 AM
They'll be me done.
Post by: blueToffee on January 14, 2018, 09:25:46 AM
Linked with Antonio from West Ham while Davies is linked with going the other way.
They'll be me done.
Looking at the article, it's a bit tenuous. However, given the club track record of late I'm not going to take anything for granted.
Assuming for argument's sake it's true, it would be totally dispiriting. I'd sooner sack Allardyce, Walsh and anyone else coming up with such idea and put the first fan through the gate in charge of the match day squad.
As for Antonio, I'd be done with Walsh there and then. He may as well admit his scouting network could be replicated by anyone with a half decent TV sports package.
Post by: bluenuck on January 14, 2018, 10:39:05 AM
i have zero confidence in any player we bring in this window and next.
Post by: TheRam on January 14, 2018, 03:17:46 PM
Looking at the article, it's a bit tenuous. However, given the club track record of late I'm not going to take anything for granted.
Assuming for argument's sake it's true, it would be totally dispiriting. I'd sooner sack Allardyce, Walsh and anyone else coming up with such idea and put the first fan through the gate in charge of the match day squad.
As for Antonio, I'd be done with Walsh there and then. He may as well admit his scouting network could be replicated by anyone with a half decent TV sports package.
Agree with everything you've said there.
Let's hope it's the usual from the mirror
Post by: GLewis on January 14, 2018, 03:25:07 PM
Agree with everything you've said there.
Let's hope it's the usual from the mirror
Not a swap deal is it?
:)
Post by: Django on January 14, 2018, 06:38:18 PM
Looking to move for Tyrell Malacia who is a LB at Feyenoord but only 18 so doubt he’d be first team
Post by: Goaljira on January 14, 2018, 07:07:33 PM
Bertrand and Shaw being targeted but both unlikely atm due to fees being asked.
Looking to move for Tyrell Malacia who is a LB at Feyenoord but only 18 so doubt he’d be first team
Another GoT sounding target. I'll take that.
Post by: brap2 on January 14, 2018, 09:07:17 PM
Bertrand and Shaw being targeted but both unlikely atm due to fees being asked.
Looking to move for Tyrell Malacia who is a LB at Feyenoord but only 18 so doubt he’d be first team
Either would be good signings.
I want to hear about CM tho. Who’s running now the game for us next year?
Post by: TheRam on January 14, 2018, 09:12:28 PM
Either would be good signings.
I want to hear about CM tho. Who’s running now the game for us next year?
I'd love it to be Jack Wilshere
Post by: American Evertonian on January 14, 2018, 09:18:21 PM
Post by: Shogun on January 14, 2018, 09:36:33 PM
I'd love it to be Jack Wilshere
Started the last 8 for Arsenal... they’ve won twice.
Post by: Ravardo on January 15, 2018, 12:15:44 AM
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on January 15, 2018, 12:23:12 AM
Post by: GLewis on January 15, 2018, 02:28:45 AM
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 15, 2018, 02:48:01 AM
It's 6 years this window since we last signed a proper, creative midfielder (Pienaar coming back).Love pienaar, so depressed now
Post by: GLewis on January 15, 2018, 02:49:33 AM
Love pienaar, so depressed now
To think 10 years ago(...) we had Arteta, Pienaar, Osman, Fernandes and Gravesen!
Post by: TheTone on January 15, 2018, 03:18:36 AM
Post by: TheTone on January 15, 2018, 03:19:58 AM
Post by: Silas on January 15, 2018, 03:21:29 AM
Post by: Ravardo on January 15, 2018, 03:33:15 AM
Post by: Goaljira on January 15, 2018, 03:35:19 AM
Remember when Osman was shit? Would fucking kill for a Osman in this side
To be fair, even a Bilyaletdinov would be an improvement.
Post by: Dr. Sponge on January 15, 2018, 03:42:03 AM
To think 10 years ago(...) we had Arteta, Pienaar, Osman, Fernandes and Gravesen!
Plus Cahill and Fellaini, two of the best players in the air in the league.
Now we're shit at both styles of play.
Post by: Heisenberg on January 15, 2018, 03:43:26 AM
Post by: TheRam on January 15, 2018, 03:45:17 AM
Post by: Lxxx on January 15, 2018, 03:53:50 AM
It’s 6 years this window since we last signed a proper, creative midfielder (Pienaar coming back).
I clicked like even though I dislike this post as much as any I’ve read on here.
Post by: Silas on January 15, 2018, 03:56:48 AM
Leon Osman walks into this team right now. Nevermind pienaar and Arteta.
Phil Neville would probably walk into this team at the moment
Post by: kramer0 on January 15, 2018, 04:00:11 AM
If he had a risk-taking bone in his body, he might have a trophy to show for the generally excellent work he did here.
Post by: TheRam on January 15, 2018, 04:01:16 AM
Phil Neville would probably walk into this team at the moment
You always have to take it that one step too far.
Go to your room and think about what you've just done
Post by: Silas on January 15, 2018, 04:04:54 AM
You always have to take it that one step too far.
Go to your room and think about what you've just done
Ha he would though that's how bad we've been
Post by: Dr. Sponge on January 15, 2018, 04:08:24 AM
It's ridiculous how much better Moyes was at transfers than everyone we've had since.
If he had a risk-taking bone in his body, he might have a trophy to show for the generally excellent work he did here.
We played some really nice football at times, especially through Baines.
How "Everton" is it that the only thing those Moyes teams were missing was a top striker, and as soon as he left we got Lukaku.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 15, 2018, 04:11:43 AM
West Ham have Lanzini, palace zaha, Leicester marhez and vardy We don't even have any of the best talents outside of the top 6. Just a load of players whom Everton is the pinnacle for
Really don't want Walcott. He's a good player but we've got to find better if we are going to progress. We need players with a bit of magic about them. With potential. I'd sooner do without completely and give lookman the rest of the season
Post by: Ramjam on January 15, 2018, 10:19:45 AM
It's still puzzling me how we just always look like we have 1 less player than the opposition. Not sure what kind of player in what position could change that.
I couldn’t agree more, Spurs give us the runaround all day with their quick pass and move, created angles for each other and as a result made us look quite sill, slow and as if we were a player short
Post by: Hawkandro on January 15, 2018, 02:14:46 PM
Sad that we basically need to improve at almost every position. Going to be a long couple of seasons at this rate seeing how only 1 out of 4 we buy is successful.
That, coupled with the fact that Allardyce has basically said we will look at one deal at a time, means the speed with which we get deals over the line we can look forward to one, maybe 2 more signings this window. Should be sorted by 2025 if we get a move on.
So dispirited with this club at the moment, it's staggering.
Post by: Hawkandro on January 15, 2018, 02:16:28 PM
I couldn’t agree more, Spurs give us the runaround all day with their quick pass and move, created angles for each other and as a result made us look quite sill, slow and as if we were a player short
Spurs - much like ourselves - don't really have a lot of pace, but they manage to cover it with technical players that can create space and time. Us? We look like we have been hypnotised into thinking the ball is a fucking time-bomb every time we get it in our own half.
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on January 15, 2018, 02:53:05 PM
Post by: Hawkandro on January 15, 2018, 03:02:39 PM
I watch a hell of a lot of football, and I would say that this season, we are the worst footballing, clueless side in the league.
Was thinking the very same thing watching us being given the runabout by Spurs.
We just offer absolutely nothing going forward, apart from giving it to Bolasie and telling him to run. That is it. Even teams like Palace and Brighton have technical players that can create chances out of very little. We have nothing whatsoever apart from a group of players who go missing at the first sign of hard work.
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 15, 2018, 03:35:26 PM
To think 10 years ago(...) we had Arteta, Pienaar, Osman, Fernandes and Gravesen!And we still moaned
Arteta should be centre mid
Osman is shit
Pienaar is too light weight and has a shot like a girl
Graveson spends more time kissing his badge than playing
Fernandes is all tricks no action
Wow, id love them moans now!
Post by: Lxxx on January 15, 2018, 03:59:21 PM
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 15, 2018, 04:28:37 PM
Post by: Ramjam on January 15, 2018, 04:44:23 PM
Would any of our players get into an XI made up of players outside the top 6? There's our problem. We are very average everywhere
Possibly Pickford other than that no not one of them
Post by: bogie on January 15, 2018, 04:48:37 PM
Post by: sam of the south on January 15, 2018, 04:50:14 PM
Would any of our players get into an XI made up of players outside the top 6? There's our problem. We are very average everywhere
Blimey, that's a scary question that I don't really wish to ponder!
Post by: GLewis on January 15, 2018, 04:53:22 PM
Would any of our players get into an XI made up of players outside the top 6? There's our problem. We are very average everywhere
Sigurdsson would have done before he came here, I’d say. In fact Keane probably would have done.
Pattern here... ;)
Coleman (assuming he’s ok) would too.
Post by: Ramjam on January 15, 2018, 04:56:34 PM
Sigurdsson would have done before he came here, I'd say. In fact Keane probably would have done.
Pattern here... ;)
Coleman (assuming he's ok) would too.
So what your saying is those 3 wouldn’t get in
Post by: brap2 on January 15, 2018, 05:14:10 PM
Sigurdsson would have done before he came here, I’d say. In fact Keane probably would have done.
Pattern here... ;)
Coleman (assuming he’s ok) would too.
Pickford
Coleman Tark Mee Bertrand
Gross Merino N’didi
Mahrez Vardy Zaha
Think Sigurdsson makes the bench unless we have a ten, and even then i’d Rather have another LW come in and put Mahrez in 10
Little bit iffy about merino (any other deep DM’s in the prem? Maybe Romeu?) and a little bit iffy about the CB pairing tbh, but my manager choice would be Dyche so he’d get a good defence out of them two.
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on January 15, 2018, 05:19:28 PM
Post by: TheRam on January 15, 2018, 05:29:03 PM
Coleman, Pickford, Rooney, Sigurdsson.
Tosun will probably be better than all the other strikers as well tbh.
We actually do have a good team, it's just been mismanaged appallingly.
We're 9th, having played to about 20% of our potential. We really aren't that far off.
Post by: Lxxx on January 15, 2018, 05:38:05 PM
Now I presume it's onto the left back....
Post by: D_murph0278 on January 15, 2018, 06:02:12 PM
Play fucking 2 upfront ffs!!
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 15, 2018, 06:06:49 PM
Post by: brap2 on January 15, 2018, 06:16:44 PM
Gana is the best ball winner in the league so he'd walk into that side.
Coleman, Pickford, Rooney, Sigurdsson.
Tosun will probably be better than all the other strikers as well tbh.
We actually do have a good team, it's just been mismanaged appallingly.
We're 9th, having played to about 20% of our potential. We really aren't that far off.
N’didi better.
Edit : (Tbh not a great deal to choose from, is probably have Gana being honest)
Rooney finished.
Edit : (still our best player, but if you were building a side you’d surely build for the future. He’d maybe make the bench as a CM)
Mahrez better than Sig.
Post by: GLewis on January 15, 2018, 06:34:08 PM
Gana is the best ball winner in the league so he'd walk into that side.
Coleman, Pickford, Rooney, Sigurdsson.
Tosun will probably be better than all the other strikers as well tbh.
We actually do have a good team, it's just been mismanaged appallingly.
We're 9th, having played to about 20% of our potential. We really aren't that far off.
Think we’re not far off being quite a bit better than the non top 6 but we’re still a long way off top 6.
But adding a quality passing midfielder would make an easy and immediate impact, as a quick example.
Post by: Lxxx on January 15, 2018, 06:41:21 PM
Post by: GLewis on January 15, 2018, 06:47:51 PM
I wonder if any of the scouts are obliged to ignore any creative midfielders that come across their path. It's like we're on a mission to be the only side in the league without someone who likes to put their foot on the ball and play incisive forward passes...and then maybe move to get a return ball. Martinez, Koeman and Allardyce so far haven't seen that we needed one. Which is exactly what we do need.
Plus it’s more than just the passes it’s a player who can hold onto the ball when under pressure.
Too many players have no awareness of what’s around them, lack the skill to do it, or don’t want to do it.
Just playing it away first time, unless it’s to a man in space who can be progressive, doesn’t achieve anything it just passes the pressure into the recipient.
Sometimes you have to be able to roll the opponent or send him the wrong way with a body swerve etc.
Post by: Lxxx on January 15, 2018, 06:48:57 PM
Plus it’s more than just the passes it’s a player who can hold onto the ball when under pressure.
Too many players have no awareness of what’s around them, lack the skill to do it, or don’t want to do it.
Just playing it away first time, unless it’s to a man in space who can be progressive, doesn’t achieve anything it just passes the pressure into the recipient.
Sometimes you have to be able to roll the opponent or send him the wrong way with a body swerve etc.
A la Pienaar/Osman/Arteta.
Post by: GLewis on January 15, 2018, 06:53:24 PM
A la Pienaar/Osman/Arteta.
Or deeper, even someone like Gibson (his type not him per se).
But we’re lacking at both ends.
Post by: Cozzie on January 15, 2018, 06:55:42 PM
The wavelength that both Pienaar and Baines where on at one point was telepathic, they where unplayable at a point and where probably the most potent duo in the league at the time.
It's just all about understanding as neither where really blessed with sheer pace but knew where each other was going to be.
Post by: Cereal Killer on January 15, 2018, 07:03:57 PM
Opportunities missed?
Post by: Lxxx on January 15, 2018, 07:05:24 PM
People have mentioned them numerous times before, but as we only sort one deal at a time it looks like Gameiro to Swansea and Babacar to Palace may happen whilst we negotiate about a fiver with Arsenal for Walcott
Opportunities missed?
We signed a striker last week.
Post by: Hawkandro on January 15, 2018, 07:09:12 PM
We signed a striker last week.
...and we have to remember, they literally looked EVERYWHERE but couldn't find any other striker apart from Tosun.
Post by: D_murph0278 on January 15, 2018, 07:12:33 PM
People have mentioned them numerous times before, but as we only sort one deal at a time it looks like Gameiro to Swansea and Babacar to Palace may happen whilst we negotiate about a fiver with Arsenal for Walcott
Opportunities missed?
Kevin Gameiro is a big miss if he's off to fucking Swansea!
Have him all day over Walcott.
Post by: Cereal Killer on January 15, 2018, 07:16:07 PM
We signed a striker last week.
Well it's one more than we've had all season I suppose
What top teams bother with a selection of strikers these days anyway
Post by: sirblue57 on January 15, 2018, 07:25:01 PM
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 15, 2018, 07:28:46 PM
Or deeper, even someone like Gibson (his type not him per se).I'd give anything for Gibson when he first signed now. That's what it's come to
But we're lacking at both ends.
Post by: Cereal Killer on January 15, 2018, 07:30:36 PM
I'd give anything for Gibson when he first signed now. That's what it's come to
It would certainly give a boost to the local ale houses in these depressing times
Post by: Dr. Sponge on January 15, 2018, 07:35:16 PM
Or deeper, even someone like Gibson (his type not him per se).
But we're lacking at both ends.
Or Barry. Was baffled when we sold him without signing anyone.
Post by: brap2 on January 15, 2018, 08:45:10 PM
Post by: Django on January 15, 2018, 09:42:23 PM
Schniederlin and Gueye will always miss games after 2 bookings or booking accumulation and we never had anyone to fill in except Davies who isn't a DM and Besic who isn't a footballer. No one at the club seemed to think that maybe those two wouldn't perform to standard without any competition.
Baffles me how easy it is to see this yet millionaire managers don't.
Post by: Waltzer on January 15, 2018, 09:57:52 PM
Letting Barry go was a bad mistake especially as we had the Europa League as well. Just pathetic.
Schniederlin and Gueye will always miss games after 2 bookings or booking accumulation and we never had anyone to fill in except Davies who isn't a DM and Besic who isn't a footballer. No one at the club seemed to think that maybe those two wouldn't perform to standard without any competition.
Baffles me how easy it is to see this yet millionaire managers don't.
I dont think Koeman wanted Barry to go, but he appreciated the point he was in his career and Barrys desire to play week in week out. Hindsight is a great thing but at the beginning of the season before anyone had kicked a ball I couldnt see where Barry would play, as it happens he'd have probably been nailed on for most given how poor we've been!!
Post by: Lxxx on January 15, 2018, 10:29:27 PM
Post by: Dr. Sponge on January 15, 2018, 10:36:59 PM
It's weird watching this transfer window unfold. I used to really feel like a fan of a club I could relate to in some way, but now I feel like a spectator of a pretty shit film but I'm engrossed in seeing what happens next out of curiosity. I don't really cheer the goals as loud and I'm not that arsed when we concede either, bizarre feeling.
Maybe because we've just spent 20 years being the underdogs before having our expectations suddenly soar with the big influx of money, only to be let down the clowns in charge of our player transfers.
Post by: gizzblue on January 15, 2018, 10:37:48 PM
It's weird watching this transfer window unfold. I used to really feel like a fan of a club I could relate to in some way, but now I feel like a spectator of a pretty shit film but I'm engrossed in seeing what happens next out of curiosity. I don't really cheer the goals as loud and I'm not that arsed when we concede either, bizarre feeling.I think we have all become more pesamistic over time ....we expect goals against us as it's the norm ...we expect shit transfer Windows because we've had them all before ....and we now expect to sit back against the shitter prem sides(not that there are many) because its fucking Sam Allardyce.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 15, 2018, 11:23:13 PM
It's weird watching this transfer window unfold. I used to really feel like a fan of a club I could relate to in some way, but now I feel like a spectator of a pretty shit film but I'm engrossed in seeing what happens next out of curiosity. I don't really cheer the goals as loud and I'm not that arsed when we concede either, bizarre feeling.
I'm the same. There's very small select group of clubs taking all the prizes. It's got to the stage now where it's probably unlikely we'll ever see Everton win another league. Possibly never see them even mount a challenge for 1. It's not healthy. It's not competive and most have zero hope of really competing
On top of that we seem to go from 1 fuck up to the next. Regardless does it really matter if we finish 7th and best case get put out of the Europa league by a champions league side or finish 10th? We are just plodding along
Post by: bogie on January 15, 2018, 11:51:48 PM
I wonder if any of the scouts are obliged to ignore any creative midfielders that come across their path. It's like we're on a mission to be the only side in the league without someone who likes to put their foot on the ball and play incisive forward passes...and then maybe move to get a return ball. Martinez, Koeman and Allardyce so far haven't seen that we needed one. Which is exactly what we do need.
are you saying we need a number 10 if so you can fucking do one
Post by: bogie on January 15, 2018, 11:53:48 PM
Letting Barry go was a bad mistake especially as we had the Europa League as well. Just pathetic.
Schniederlin and Gueye will always miss games after 2 bookings or booking accumulation and we never had anyone to fill in except Davies who isn't a DM and Besic who isn't a footballer. No one at the club seemed to think that maybe those two wouldn't perform to standard without any competition.
Baffles me how easy it is to see this yet millionaire managers don't.
letting him go was not but not getting a player in like him was
Post by: bogie on January 15, 2018, 11:58:09 PM
I'd give anything for Gibson when he first signed now. That's what it's come to
yeah that 1st year was great with him there and it got the best out of big bird
but he is a drunk
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on January 16, 2018, 12:15:08 AM
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on January 16, 2018, 12:19:03 AM
It's weird watching this transfer window unfold. I used to really feel like a fan of a club I could relate to in some way, but now I feel like a spectator of a pretty shit film but I'm engrossed in seeing what happens next out of curiosity. I don't really cheer the goals as loud and I'm not that arsed when we concede either, bizarre feeling.Martinez and all those defeats after taking the lead, broke me. I’ve not recovered my enthusiasm since.
Post by: Ross on January 16, 2018, 12:44:34 AM
Martinez and all those defeats after taking the lead, broke me. I’ve not recovered my enthusiasm since.
Only happened 5 times over 3 years and 143 matches.
Koeman was worse for it. 3 times we took the lead and got beat under him in his short spell.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 16, 2018, 12:57:44 AM
We’re obviously miles off the top 6 but I’d also say we’re a fair way off Leicester, too. I’d swap our squad for theirs, in a second.
Think the difference between us and then is they have some genuine quality that could play for a top 6 side and we don't. Vardy, Marhez and McGuire.
Post by: Goughie on January 16, 2018, 12:58:43 AM
We need to stop appointing managers whose playing styles flip flop from one extreme to the other and aim for consistency of approach. From Moyes to Martinez to Koeman and now backwards from Koeman to a form of football most hoped had disappeared from the game. How can your recruitment be successful over such a period with differing demands from one season to the next and three different managers in the last five transfer windows.
So much sense being spoken here. We have no continuity.
Post by: Waltzer on January 16, 2018, 01:25:48 AM
Everton have been installed joint favourites to sign Bournemouth striker Jermain Defoe during the January transfer window, according to the latest bookmakers’ odds.
BetVictor priced the Merseysiders and Newcastle United at 4/1 on Monday night to land Defoe, 35, before the start of February.
The Premier League pair lead West Ham (6/1) and Stoke City (8/1) in the race for the England international, who has struggled since he quit Sunderland on a free transfer last summer to join the Cherries for a second spell.
Defoe, 35, is currently sidelined with injury but has scored just three goals in 17 matches for Eddie Howe’s side this season.
The stiker is the seventh top goalscorer in Premier League history with 161 strikes in the competition to his name across spells with Tottenham, West Ham, Portsmouth, Sunderland and Bournemouth.
Freelance reporter Paul Brown, who also works for the Express, claimed on his personal Twitter account in December that Everton are likely to make a bid for Defoe at some stage in the January transfer window.
Post by: kramer0 on January 16, 2018, 01:31:05 AM
We can be the Premier League version of The Expendables.
Post by: Goaljira on January 16, 2018, 01:58:35 AM
We’re obviously miles off the top 6 but I’d also say we’re a fair way off Leicester, too. I’d swap our squad for theirs, in a second.
We're a left back away from having a side(on paper) better than theirs.
In reality we're a LB, a CB, a CM and a LW away.
Post by: ally2 on January 16, 2018, 01:58:43 AM
Post by: brap2 on January 16, 2018, 03:02:46 AM
are you saying we need a number 10 if so you can fucking do one
We don’t have a -
Silva
B.Silva
De Bruyne
Hazard
Fabregas
Mata
Pogba
Ozil
Wilshere
Coutinho
Lallana
Erikson
Son
Someone who can pass through the back line, over the back line, behind the back line...we haven’t got anyone who can create chances from open play except from out wide.
Closest would be Rooney or Sigurdsson. Rooney playing deep or should be, and sig’s lack of open play chance creation (and even just involvement at times) was widely covered on here at the start of the season and his strength is dead balls into the box.
Not like strictly a number ten, but someone who can pass up the pitch accurately with good vision and is naturally inclined to do so.
One thing is - we’re so deep 90% of the time now that even if we did have someone who can unpick the lock then they’d have to have a pretty fucking long pick.
Post by: brap2 on January 16, 2018, 03:06:17 AM
A striker who’s more of a handful with his runs will be better for out attacking players. Not DCL’s fault but he doesn’t strike much fear into the opposition back line.
Post by: GLewis on January 16, 2018, 03:09:47 AM
We don’t have a -
Silva
B.Silva
De Bruyne
Hazard
Fabregas
Mata
Pogba
Ozil
Wilshere
Coutinho
Lallana
Erikson
Son
Someone who can pass through the back line, over the back line, behind the back line...we haven’t got anyone who can create chances from open play except from out wide.
Closest would be Rooney or Sigurdsson. Rooney playing deep or should be, and sig’s lack of open play chance creation (and even just involvement at times) was widely covered on here at the start of the season and his strength is dead balls into the box.
Not like strictly a number ten, but someone who can pass up the pitch accurately with good vision and is naturally inclined to do so.
One thing is - we’re so deep 90% of the time now that even if we did have someone who can unpick the lock then they’d have to have a pretty fucking long pick.
Yeah as you say even Sigurdsson is more of a “finisher” in terms of either shooting or the final cross etc.
Rooney is just and all round good player but not a natural knitter of the play but is probably the closest that we have.
Post by: loroloco on January 16, 2018, 03:13:18 AM
It's weird watching this transfer window unfold. I used to really feel like a fan of a club I could relate to in some way, but now I feel like a spectator of a pretty shit film but I'm engrossed in seeing what happens next out of curiosity. I don't really cheer the goals as loud and I'm not that arsed when we concede either, bizarre feeling.
same. i do wonder if what i´m feeling is a change in mood in football as a whole though. we´re customers nowadays, not fans. match day tickets being priced at the highest price they can get away with and ridiculously high tv bills just to watch your team. it has taken the sense of community out of the game. it used to be a thing you could bring the kids along to, not anymore though. shame really. there´s some days i wonder do i even like the sport anymore, which is weird given that my week seems to centre around it.
Post by: brap2 on January 16, 2018, 03:28:32 AM
Yeah as you say even Sigurdsson is more of a “finisher” in terms of either shooting or the final cross etc.
Rooney is just and all round good player but not a natural knitter of the play but is probably the closest that we have.
Tell you what I’m not looking forward to the other lot getting that Keita. Haven’t seen that much of him but he looks to me in the Pogba / De Bruyne / Toure mould (and Barkley to an extent) a dynamic ball carrier who is a really aggressive forward passer as well. Can’t be arsed with them next year.
Not sure who we could get to furfil that role. Lanzini but is a classic 10 and he’d be apparently quite expensive. Mahrez would be ideal for me, off the left dribbling in. £50m would bite your hand off.
Post by: GLewis on January 16, 2018, 03:34:49 AM
Tell you what I’m not looking forward to the other lot getting that Keita. Haven’t seen that much of him but he looks to me in the Pogba / De Bruyne / Toure mould (and Barkley to an extent) a dynamic ball carrier who is a really aggressive forward passer as well. Can’t be arsed with them next year.
Not sure who we could get to furfil that role. Lanzini but is a classic 10 and he’d be apparently quite expensive. Mahrez would be ideal for me, off the left dribbling in. £50m would bite your hand off.
One thing that would seem to me to be reasonably easy to improve is to make Gueye / McCarthy realise that they’re actually ok dribbling the ball forward.
They’re not going to become passers at this stage but they should learn / be taught that they can still help get the ball up the other end by carrying it into gaps that appear.
One of the forward players would need to make themselves available for a short pass when they get there but it’d at least be some attempt at makin what we have more effective.
Post by: Lxxx on January 16, 2018, 04:16:15 AM
One thing that would seem to me to be reasonably easy to improve is to make Gueye / McCarthy realise that they’re actually ok dribbling the ball forward.
They’re not going to become passers at this stage but they should learn / be taught that they can still help get the ball up the other end by carrying it into gaps that appear.
One of the forward players would need to make themselves available for a short pass when they get there but it’d at least be some attempt at makin what we have more effective.
Gueye does try to be fair to him. It’s not his game but he has a go when the opportunity arises. Neither McCarthy or Schneiderlin even bother looking up to see if there is a gap to stride into. Their first thought is to pass it on receiving it, instead of taking responsibility and realising that sometimes you have to do the work as well as the ball.
Post by: brap2 on January 16, 2018, 04:43:19 AM
One thing that would seem to me to be reasonably easy to improve is to make Gueye / McCarthy realise that they’re actually ok dribbling the ball forward.
They’re not going to become passers at this stage but they should learn / be taught that they can still help get the ball up the other end by carrying it into gaps that appear.
One of the forward players would need to make themselves available for a short pass when they get there but it’d at least be some attempt at makin what we have more effective.
Yeah not ideal but either could be come more competent ball carriers - or Tom Davies is able to - then we’d be able to get up the pitch that way.
I was looking at squawka comparisons between N’didi Gueye and Kante today when replying to @TheRam (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=1602) elsewhere and one thing that really stood out was how much better Kante was at take-ons than the other two. In that position it’s just going to be a drop of the shoulder and avoid a tackle and move up the pitch 5 yards. Gueye had the fewest.
Wouldn’t be against Holgate having an occasional foray into midfield if he can avoid the first challenge. Not convinced he’s a great long passer (not seen the stats tho) but he looks capable over short distances to me, and is quite good at evading onrushing attackers. Would push the whole side up wards.
Has to avoid that ball into kennys feet that is on all the time however and pass vertically into sig/rooney/Tosun’s feet. Looks like a dead end to me more often than not that full back area. No support and no options leading to a lump or a tackle.
Post by: djws1788 on January 16, 2018, 10:39:24 AM
Post by: Ramjam on January 16, 2018, 01:43:23 PM
if Klassen is on his way already, would love us to test Huddersfield's resolve and have a go at Aaron Mooy
No way Mooy is playing well above his pay grade, not good enough for what we want or need
Post by: brap2 on January 16, 2018, 02:06:26 PM
If it is Walsh and Allardyce can fuck off asap I’m not arsed. Rapidly turning into West Ham with this meatloaf head and his little mate.
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on January 16, 2018, 02:10:05 PM
Only happened 5 times over 3 years and 143 matches.It might’ve been draws too then, and a few games bunched together, but it still broke me.
Koeman was worse for it. 3 times we took the lead and got beat under him in his short spell.
Post by: sirblue57 on January 16, 2018, 02:12:31 PM
Wait is that Jermaine Defoe stuff real?I seriously hope.thats a fucking wind up...cant believe we that desperate.
If it is Walsh and Allardyce can fuck off asap I’m not arsed. Rapidly turning into West Ham with this meatloaf head and his little mate.
Post by: Jamokachi on January 16, 2018, 02:19:52 PM
Wait is that Jermaine Defoe stuff real?
If it is Walsh and Allardyce can fuck off asap I’m not arsed. Rapidly turning into West Ham with this meatloaf head and his little mate.
Please, stop taking rumours as gospel.
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on January 16, 2018, 02:22:58 PM
Back to what we need - just watching the Spurs highlights again and Dembele really is a beast. Was a no.10 at Fulham and has that passing ability but is just a horrible bastard who never loses the ball. Considering they’re seen by some as a flair team, they don’t half have some units that use their physicality to get a foothold in games. That’s why I think N’zonzi would be great for us and make our midfield look so much better.
Post by: sirblue57 on January 16, 2018, 02:29:38 PM
As per various journos, we’re willing (or actively looking) to sell Sandro and Klaassen this window. Sorry to open up those debates again.
Back to what we need - just watching the Spurs highlights again and Dembele really is a beast. Was a no.10 at Fulham and has that passing ability but is just a horrible bastard who never loses the ball. Considering they’re seen by some as a flair team, they don’t half have some units that use their physicality to get a foothold in games. That’s why I think N’zonzi would be great for us and make our midfield look so much better.
Mrs fucking brown would.make our midfield.look better at this time...
Post by: Makis on January 16, 2018, 02:44:42 PM
As per various journos, we’re willing (or actively looking) to sell Sandro and Klaassen this window. Sorry to open up those debates again.That's the thing with Spurs. They have a vision of how the team should look like and play they have been implementing for several years now. It's no surprise their team is full of physical players. Can anyone tell me what the vision for Everton is because I can't see any plan in the signings?
Back to what we need - just watching the Spurs highlights again and Dembele really is a beast. Was a no.10 at Fulham and has that passing ability but is just a horrible bastard who never loses the ball. Considering they’re seen by some as a flair team, they don’t half have some units that use their physicality to get a foothold in games. That’s why I think N’zonzi would be great for us and make our midfield look so much better.
Post by: Hawkandro on January 16, 2018, 02:49:02 PM
Post by: brap2 on January 16, 2018, 03:09:13 PM
Please, stop taking rumours as gospel.
Why would I question gospel
Post by: therealdunc on January 16, 2018, 08:32:39 PM
That’s if you consider BBC radio Leicester a good source
Post by: Django on January 16, 2018, 08:34:53 PM
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 16, 2018, 08:39:13 PM
Word gathering pace at FF that the next target is going to be Cresswell.That goes with what I was told just after Christmas
Keep up the good work @Django (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4371) lad
Post by: Macca77 on January 16, 2018, 08:45:53 PM
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on January 16, 2018, 08:46:14 PM
Word gathering pace at FF that the next target is going to be Cresswell.
I hope not :(
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on January 16, 2018, 08:52:46 PM
Post by: kramer0 on January 16, 2018, 09:01:48 PM
And that's before I pull my patented move of pointing out that he's older than we should be targeting. Especially at fullback.
Edit: I’m already pessimistic about where Everton is heading but I genuinely despair for us if we pay good money for Cresswell.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 16, 2018, 09:02:07 PM
Post by: Ravardo on January 16, 2018, 09:05:14 PM
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on January 16, 2018, 09:06:36 PM
Is cresswell injured im sure he is
I'm sure it can be arranged.
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 16, 2018, 09:06:54 PM
In a back 3 like
Post by: Bluedylan on January 16, 2018, 09:07:08 PM
Post by: Lincs Toffee on January 16, 2018, 09:08:13 PM
Cresswell won't be cheap, 25 million at least3 and half years left on his contract so easily that I would say, wouldn't mind him though, can put a decent ball in too, lets face it he's better than what we have!
Post by: blueToffee on January 16, 2018, 09:08:46 PM
Creswell for Davies?
NOOOOOOOO.
Post by: Lxxx on January 16, 2018, 09:09:22 PM
Let's just sack the whole scouting department, including Walsh, and just get the full Sky and BT Sports package at Finch Farm and save millions.
Post by: brap2 on January 16, 2018, 09:09:42 PM
That goes with what I was told just after Christmas
Keep up the good work @Django (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4371) lad
The djangerman is smashing it.
Another uninspiring mid table target in cresswell though. Would rather masuaku.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 16, 2018, 09:22:08 PM
3 and half years left on his contract so easily that I would say, wouldn't mind him though, can put a decent ball in too, lets face it he's better than what we have!
Better than what we have.....
Is that really the test when spending large amounts.
Post by: Lxxx on January 16, 2018, 09:38:57 PM
Post by: Mayor Farnum on January 16, 2018, 09:39:48 PM
Walcott and cresswell. If true we really do have an unimaginative lot in charge of transfers. Seem determined to finish 7th to 9th every season forever
Would Sandro and Klaassen fall into the imaginative bracket? If so a steady, uninspiring window may be just what we need.
Post by: SANA_DR0 on January 16, 2018, 09:52:33 PM
Cresswell won't be cheap, 25 million at least
thats pretty cheap in today market/value.
we only need cover, one of the youngsters next year when back from loan will kick ass!
Post by: Hawkandro on January 16, 2018, 09:54:54 PM
Didn't we buy the software and database from the makers of Football Manager, to have access to the details of most of the world's professional football players? I presume it's still sat on someone's desk waiting to sign in.
They have it set to Small.
Post by: Macca77 on January 16, 2018, 10:23:52 PM
Post by: everton1952 on January 16, 2018, 10:40:31 PM
Post by: Outworlder47 on January 16, 2018, 10:41:19 PM
https://twitter.com/ed_aarons/status/953281201967652865
Also seeing Monaco linked, with an £18M price tag floated. Has been decent for a promoted side in Strasbourg, and would definitely be one with a long-term view, but we really need some more immediate support up front.
Post by: TheRam on January 16, 2018, 10:44:18 PM
https://twitter.com/ed_aarons/status/953281201967652865
Heard he's a bit of a yard dog.
Post by: Lincs Toffee on January 16, 2018, 10:47:17 PM
Of course not but we are powerless in who the club mark as targets, this was just an opinion or a supporter (me), believe me I'm just as pissed as the next person in regards to our recruiting of late, but sadly I have no influence on the powers at be. ::)
Better than what we have.....
Is that really the test when spending large amounts.
Post by: mikey_blue on January 16, 2018, 11:14:26 PM
Heard he's a bit of a yard dog.
He's alright. A bit woof around the edges, though.
Post by: Confucius on January 16, 2018, 11:20:54 PM
Didn't we buy the software and database from the makers of Football Manager, to have access to the details of most of the world's professional football players? I presume it's still sat on someone's desk waiting to sign in.
We did but nobody upgraded it hence the Creswell, Defoe etc rumours coming up.
Post by: School of Science on January 16, 2018, 11:54:42 PM
Post by: Tinga on January 17, 2018, 12:40:39 AM
Post by: Mick 1995 on January 17, 2018, 12:50:51 AM
Better than what we have.....
Is that really the test when spending large amounts.
It is absolutely the very first, and most important, question that should be asked. Yes.
Post by: Lxxx on January 17, 2018, 01:25:21 AM
It is absolutely the very first, and most important, question that should be asked. Yes.
But not the only one.
Post by: gizzblue on January 17, 2018, 01:45:36 AM
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 17, 2018, 02:09:54 AM
It is absolutely the very first, and most important, question that should be asked. Yes.
Alive Is the first and most important question. No point buying dead.
No sell on value
Post by: toffee_scot on January 17, 2018, 05:37:37 AM
How are we going to accommodate Terrier plus Tosun, DCL, Niasse, Sandro plus don't forget we have Onyekuru coming in the summer.
Meanwhile Cuco Martina is pinching himself yet again, he will still be the first name on the team sheet because whilst Baines is still injured there is absolutely nobody else who can play in his position that Martina can barely play in with a small level of competency.
Post by: brap2 on January 17, 2018, 05:54:14 AM
So we want to buy another forward player?
How are we going to accommodate Terrier plus Tosun, DCL, Niasse, Sandro plus don't forget we have Onyekuru coming in the summer.
Meanwhile Cuco Martina is pinching himself yet again, he will still be the first name on the team sheet because whilst Baines is still injured there is absolutely nobody else who can play in his position that Martina can barely play in with a small level of competency.
Tosun first choice
Terrier second
DCL youthful tactical back up
Sandro going
Niasse going
Post by: Jamokachi on January 17, 2018, 07:55:15 AM
Tosun first choice
Terrier second
DCL youthful tactical back up
Terrier is 20.
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on January 17, 2018, 03:08:02 PM
Post by: kramer0 on January 17, 2018, 08:08:38 PM
What a hideous mess.
Contract Dave the only trustworthy one in the bunch.
Post by: brap2 on January 17, 2018, 08:12:35 PM
Terrier is 20.
It’s not the age of the dog in the fight...or something
Post by: mikey_blue on January 17, 2018, 11:23:56 PM
Post by: Lxxx on January 17, 2018, 11:31:32 PM
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/inside-everton-transfers-men-behind-14167169 (http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/inside-everton-transfers-men-behind-14167169)
What a hideous mess.
Contract Dave the only trustworthy one in the bunch.
The likely lads hey.
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 18, 2018, 12:09:37 AM
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/inside-everton-transfers-men-behind-14167169 (http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/inside-everton-transfers-men-behind-14167169)Cringiest report ever
What a hideous mess.
Contract Dave the only trustworthy one in the bunch.
Post by: eugene on January 18, 2018, 01:27:45 AM
Rodwell is available from Sunderland. They want to cancel his contract. One upon a time .......Shame that another young blue turned by the big bucks
Never forget him against the RS
Post by: GLewis on January 18, 2018, 04:03:55 AM
Post by: TheRam on January 18, 2018, 04:24:36 AM
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/could-juan-bernat-fit-bill-14170089
Was gonna post just last night about him being an ideal replacement for Baines of he's available.
Should be all over it, as well as the likes of Gaya and Grimaldo, although they're probably a bit out of our reach now.
Post by: Jamokachi on January 18, 2018, 04:35:45 AM
It’s not the age of the dog in the fight...or something
:)
I just meant in comparison to him being ahead of DCL in the pecking order.
Post by: toshyboy on January 18, 2018, 04:48:34 AM
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/jamie-vardy-backed-make-everton-14170214#ICID=ios_EchoNewsApp_AppShare_Click_Other
Post by: Bob Sacamano on January 18, 2018, 04:50:05 AM
Post by: Bob Sacamano on January 18, 2018, 04:56:00 AM
Post by: American Evertonian on January 18, 2018, 04:58:33 AM
Priority in those I think goes in the reverse order of what I've listed. At minimum we need to fill 2 of those 3.
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on January 18, 2018, 04:59:50 AM
Post by: Heisenberg on January 18, 2018, 05:00:43 AM
Echo are proper click bait wankers these days.
Their website is so clogged with adverts its not even functional. So buggy
Post by: everton1952 on January 18, 2018, 05:05:49 AM
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on January 18, 2018, 06:55:03 AM
I hope Allardyce and Rodwell don't get mentioned in the same breath ever again.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-5280715/amp/Sunderland-outcast-Jack-Rodwell-insists-hes-not-blame.html
Post by: Thornton_19 on January 18, 2018, 07:17:49 AM
Jack Rodwell still thinks he can be a PL and England player at CB, he also mentions about how Allardyce picked him alot for Sunderland 🤔🤤I always remember getting told by a Cab driver that Rodwell was out on the piss on a Friday before a game.
I hope Allardyce and Rodwell don't get mentioned in the same breath ever again.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-5280715/amp/Sunderland-outcast-Jack-Rodwell-insists-hes-not-blame.html
Can't recall the game but I remember we got beat by a shite team and we were lifeless (pick from many of those under Moyes)
Always stuck with me that.
Post by: blueski on January 18, 2018, 07:30:07 AM
I always remember getting told by a Cab driver that Rodwell was out on the piss on a Friday before a game.Funny how things work
Can't recall the game but I remember we got beat by a shite team and we were lifeless (pick from many of those under Moyes)
Always stuck with me that.
Who'd have predicted Dan Gosling would have the longer/more consistent career in the premier league
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 18, 2018, 12:36:58 PM
Jack Rodwell still thinks he can be a PL and England player at CB, he also mentions about how Allardyce picked him alot for Sunderland 🤔🤤
I hope Allardyce and Rodwell don't get mentioned in the same breath ever again.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-5280715/amp/Sunderland-outcast-Jack-Rodwell-insists-hes-not-blame.html
Jacks a bit delusional isn't he. Thinks he's still a premier league standard player and England international when on form. He never was. Complete myth of a player. He's won the lottery. 70k a week and can't get in the side for the championships bottom side. Be amazed if he doesn't see out his contract at Sunderland
Post by: bluenuck on January 18, 2018, 12:59:07 PM
Jacks a bit delusional isn't he. Thinks he's still a premier league standard player and England international when on form. He never was. Complete myth of a player. He's won the lottery. 70k a week and can't get in the side for the championships bottom side. Be amazed if he doesn't see out his contract at Sunderland
Hasn't it been ripped up and he's no longer under contract??
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on January 18, 2018, 01:37:02 PM
But yeah, Roswell is shit.
Post by: brap2 on January 18, 2018, 02:07:34 PM
Hasn't it been ripped up and he's no longer under contract??
No, he has of course turned that particular offer down.
I really, really rated him when he was coming through but tbh I think his arse has gone and his heart isn’t in it.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 18, 2018, 02:12:28 PM
Hasn't it been ripped up and he's no longer under contract??
The story says he won't cancel it and become unemployed. He wants to find a new club first but it's not about money. Alright saying that but I doubt he's going to rip up a 5m contract over 18 months to earn 2 million over 5 years
Post by: Cozzie on January 18, 2018, 02:13:39 PM
He was a proper crab.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 18, 2018, 02:13:59 PM
I do hate these ‘he’s bleeding our club dry stories’ when a club offers an average player a big contract, gets relegated and then regrets it. Players are made to be greedy but clubs are just as greedy. No-one put a gun to Sunderland’s head, it’s just poor club management and they’re reaping what the sowed.
But yeah, Roswell is shit.
I agree to a point but the other side is anyone who has a successful year wants a pay rise rather than to continue on the contract they signed. Very rare anyone gets stuck on less than they are worth (apart from at Spurs)
Post by: Mick 1995 on January 18, 2018, 02:16:06 PM
Post by: ally2 on January 18, 2018, 02:24:07 PM
Post by: Macca77 on January 18, 2018, 02:28:24 PM
That's about it.
Post by: brap2 on January 18, 2018, 02:38:50 PM
Post by: Hawkandro on January 18, 2018, 02:49:15 PM
Their website is so clogged with adverts its not even functional. So buggy
Trinity Mirror Group, innit.
Post by: Macca77 on January 18, 2018, 02:55:20 PM
Their website is so clogged with adverts its not even functional. So buggy
It's basically just a Liverpool programe now, pages and pages about them, the amount of shit that paper gives us is ridiculous. Had a article yesterday about Walcott and his bird saying could they become the new power couple of Liverpool, someone actually wrote it and it was printed.
Post by: Gary1878 on January 18, 2018, 03:16:13 PM
Post by: eugene on January 18, 2018, 03:26:39 PM
It's basically just a Liverpool programe now, pages and pages about them, the amount of shit that paper gives us is ridiculous. Had a article yesterday about Walcott and his bird saying could they become the new power couple of Liverpool, someone actually wrote it and it was printed.Need to see a picture of her to comment mate
Post by: Lxxx on January 18, 2018, 03:41:48 PM
I always remember getting told by a Cab driver that Rodwell was out on the piss on a Friday before a game.
Can't recall the game but I remember we got beat by a shite team and we were lifeless (pick from many of those under Moyes)
Always stuck with me that.
I'm sure most young players have done something like that in their teens though. Doesn't mean much.
Post by: hannu on January 18, 2018, 03:54:03 PM
Rodwell should have been coached as a centre back. He was never nimble-enough for DM/CM
he was ment to be a ball playing CB, was expected he would play a few seasons as a DM then move to CB but for some reason everyone forgot to move him to CB
Post by: GLewis on January 18, 2018, 03:56:03 PM
he was ment to be a ball playing CB, was expected he would play a few seasons as a DM then move to CB but for some reason everyone forgot to move him to CB
He wasn’t aggressive enough for me, so guessing that was probably the main reason.
Post by: hannu on January 18, 2018, 03:57:59 PM
He wasn’t aggressive enough for me, so guessing that was probably the main reason.
possibly
Post by: mikey_blue on January 18, 2018, 04:03:55 PM
He wasn't aggressive enough for me, so guessing that was probably the main reason.
I remember him constantly being injured too?
Post by: Macca77 on January 18, 2018, 04:05:51 PM
Rodwell should have been coached as a centre back. He was never nimble-enough for DM/CM
He's gonna be the new Rio Ferdinand, shame he ended up more like Anton
Post by: Shogun on January 18, 2018, 04:22:12 PM
Post by: therealdunc on January 18, 2018, 04:24:14 PM
He is a left back
Post by: Lxxx on January 18, 2018, 04:46:48 PM
Post by: themilkycoffees on January 18, 2018, 04:50:04 PM
Everton have enquired about Jason McCarthy at Barnsley.
He is a left back
Barnsley are to us, as Southampton are to the shite. If we've enquired, he's 100% coming at some point.
Post by: sam of the south on January 18, 2018, 04:56:13 PM
Everton have enquired about Jason McCarthy at Barnsley.
He is a left back
Wiki and Transfermarkt say he is either a CB or RB
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 18, 2018, 05:00:06 PM
Rodwell should have been coached as a centre back. He was never nimble-enough for DM/CMWasn't strong enough to be a cb
Post by: bogie on January 18, 2018, 05:57:36 PM
Rodwell should have been coached as a centre back. He was never nimble-enough for DM/CM
well the man that said he would be a CB had him last year and never played him there and they were trying everything as there busses had open windows
Post by: brap2 on January 18, 2018, 06:01:39 PM
He wasn’t aggressive enough for me, so guessing that was probably the main reason.
Still sees himself as a CB
Post by: TheTone on January 18, 2018, 06:09:28 PM
Post by: GLewis on January 18, 2018, 06:14:08 PM
Still sees himself as a CB
He grew up as one so I’d say he should probably be one, if... etc.
Although if he went somewhere that was massively into possession and was willing to accept aggression deficiencies then maybe.
But I’d find it hard to see how he’d recover the years of lost learning/experience.
Post by: therealdunc on January 18, 2018, 07:58:57 PM
Wiki and Transfermarkt say he is either a CB or RB
Might be, Barnsley fan customer told me ‘Everton are back up to their old tricks buying our youngsters’.
Post by: everton1952 on January 18, 2018, 08:30:12 PM
Post by: Macca77 on January 18, 2018, 08:35:22 PM
Lambert has swooped for the great left back Kostas Stafylidis right under our noses. Walsh out.
A left back who wasn't good enough for Fulham
Post by: stirlingblue on January 18, 2018, 08:56:22 PM
Wiki and Transfermarkt say he is either a CB or RB
Like every other player we sign from them
Post by: themilkycoffees on January 18, 2018, 09:09:09 PM
Post by: Macca77 on January 18, 2018, 10:15:55 PM
I hope the Bernat link isn't just journalists putting 2 and 2 together, with us needing a left back and him needing a move for the Spain WC squad. He would be a good addition - right age, good on the ball, pacey, left footed.
Its exactly that
Post by: stirlingblue on January 18, 2018, 10:33:46 PM
I hope the Bernat link isn't just journalists putting 2 and 2 together, with us needing a left back and him needing a move for the Spain WC squad. He would be a good addition - right age, good on the ball, pacey, left footed.
He's not looked pacey on the few occasions I've seen him
Post by: blue slug on January 19, 2018, 12:56:48 AM
Post by: bluenuck on January 19, 2018, 10:27:11 AM
He's not looked pacey on the few occasions I've seen him
I agree. I watch a lot of bubdesliga. Pacey is the wrong word. I'm not saying he's slow, but when I think pacey I think a really quick player and he's not.
He does get up and down the pitch very well though. And he's got decent quality on the ball. Remember, he's not playing because one of the best left backs in the game plays all the time.
Post by: Macca77 on January 19, 2018, 03:42:11 PM
No left back til the summer then
Post by: Macca77 on January 19, 2018, 03:46:02 PM
https://twitter.com/philmcnulty/status/954286163216535553
Post by: TheRam on January 19, 2018, 03:47:27 PM
Leave that until the summer. Martina is managing soundly for me.
Post by: dax78 on January 19, 2018, 03:53:37 PM
I'm not arsed about a left back.
Leave that until the summer. Martina is managing soundly for me.
Seems to me, that any target they have in mind is not available or too expensive. If this is the case then it makes sense to wait till the summer.
Could we see Garbutt registered for the rest of the season??
Post by: sirblue57 on January 19, 2018, 04:06:09 PM
I'm not arsed about a left back.
Leave that until the summer. Martina is managing soundly for me.
Honestly? :shock:
lolol
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 19, 2018, 04:19:46 PM
Honestly? :shock:
lolol
Rather get the right player in the summer than the wrong player now
Post by: sirblue57 on January 19, 2018, 04:28:54 PM
Rather get the right player in the summer than the wrong player nowWe already have the wrong player...how about getting an actual left back.?..i would even give the U23 lad a go for a while.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 19, 2018, 04:32:28 PM
We already have the wrong player...how about getting an actual left back.?..i would even give the U23 lad a go for a while.
I agree but if we feel we can do better in the summer then we'll survive until then
Post by: The Analog Kid on January 19, 2018, 04:37:22 PM
Maybe Allerdyce is thinking about giving Garbutt a go?
Post by: Bigjmill on January 19, 2018, 04:45:47 PM
Post by: ally2 on January 19, 2018, 04:52:29 PM
Post by: GLewis on January 19, 2018, 04:54:05 PM
That’ll narrow the numbers down even before you get to availability and affordability etc.
Post by: Trublue on January 19, 2018, 05:01:12 PM
To be fair, Martina now is better than Martina two months ago. Still not the best but definitely not the end of the world, plus Baines can’t be too far off surely?
Maybe Allerdyce is thinking about giving Garbutt a go?
Yeah we've just seen Martina, torn apart by Spurs. Easy to be overtly worried. Yes to Garbutt has to be worth a try? Although we have to sell to make room in the squad? Do we have the maximum allowed over 21year olds? When is Baines due back?
Post by: The Analog Kid on January 19, 2018, 05:02:12 PM
Yeah we've just seen Martina, torn apart by Spurs. Easy to be overtly worried. Yes to Garbutt has to be worth a try? Although we have to sell to make room in the squad? Do we have the maximum allowed over 21year olds? When is Baines due back?
The whole team got their arse handed to them by Spurs.
Post by: kramer0 on January 19, 2018, 05:04:40 PM
Post by: Lxxx on January 19, 2018, 05:05:46 PM
Ideally the next LB that we buy should be as close to top class as possible.
That’ll narrow the numbers down even before you get to availability and affordability etc.
True. Baines is an adequate left back for the short term when fit. If we're going to bring someone in they need to be a top drawer long term replacement. Although as you say, they're not usually available in January, although you'd hope we've got a shortlist to be working on so we're ready to go in the summer.
Post by: Trublue on January 19, 2018, 05:09:36 PM
The whole team got their arse handed to them by Spurs.
I agree but, most of the damage was done by attacking Martina. Obviously Spurs had identified left back as a serious weakness. He's playing out of position, doing his best. He's just not good enough, to play there against, players like Spurs have. I doubt Baines would of had a good game either, but not as bad.
Post by: gizzblue on January 19, 2018, 05:12:30 PM
Good old Everton ffs useless cunts .
Post by: Macca77 on January 19, 2018, 05:32:55 PM
Post by: ajax_andy on January 19, 2018, 05:46:36 PM
Mori can play left back. Can't remember if he's out for the season though.
March I think, so doubt we'll see him in first team action this season, or if we do it'll be towards the end of the season
Post by: Tinga on January 19, 2018, 05:53:41 PM
Bringing in nobody is better than paying for Cresswell.
I'd rather play hyperbole at left back then.
Post by: Ravardo on January 19, 2018, 05:56:03 PM
Post by: Mick 1995 on January 19, 2018, 05:57:52 PM
No new left back and no replacement for barkley fucking pathetic :headbang: :cheers: :wanker:
We signed Barkleys replacement in the summer
Post by: sirblue57 on January 19, 2018, 05:59:55 PM
We signed Barkleys replacement in the summer
Yeah, but which one was It?
Post by: therealdunc on January 19, 2018, 06:02:49 PM
Allardyce didn’t say we are making no more signings, please read what he actually said
Now can all those people over reacting please breathe easy
Also, do people not realise 2 other FACTs
1. We have far too many players in the squad and we have a wage bill limit
2. When negotiating you never reveal your desperate for a certain player or position or you get fleeced.
Post by: Cereal Killer on January 19, 2018, 06:14:26 PM
FACT
Allardyce didn’t say we are making no more signings, please read what he actually said
Now can all those people over reacting please breathe easy
Also, do people not realise 2 other FACTs
1. We have far too many players in the squad and we have a wage bill limit
2. When negotiating you never reveal your desperate for a certain player or position or you get fleeced.
Direct me to what he actually said then, even better, copy and paste it word for word please
And everyone knows what we need and how much money our owner likes to blow, so we get fleeced anyway
Post by: Lxxx on January 19, 2018, 06:35:48 PM
FACT
Allardyce didn’t say we are making no more signings, please read what he actually said
Now can all those people over reacting please breathe easy
Also, do people not realise 2 other FACTs
1. We have far too many players in the squad and we have a wage bill limit
2. When negotiating you never reveal your desperate for a certain player or position or you get fleeced.
Yeh it's not like our owner hasn't just told the world that under him money isn't an issue.
Post by: Mick 1995 on January 19, 2018, 06:52:56 PM
SA: Errr, no, I don't think so. i think that, erm, we would be more, in, in, in the terms of where we are at the moment moving players on. think that the squad is too big. Erm, there's a, there's thirty, thirty three players here at the moment and i think that, from my point of view, that means that, err, reducing that squad or those squad numbers is important for, for me and the football club and the players that may, that may leave. We don't know which, or who they are because you're waiting for other clubs to come and, erm, show an interest, er, but certainly i think, moving a few players on is, is the order for us
That's ad verbatim and i transcribed it myself.
Post by: Lxxx on January 19, 2018, 06:56:34 PM
Reporter: More to come in this window
SA: Errr, no, I don't think so. i think that, erm, we would be more, in, in, in the terms of where we are at the moment moving players on. think that the squad is too big. Erm, there's a, there's thirty, thirty three players here at the moment and i think that, from my point of view, that means that, err, reducing that squad or those squad numbers is important for, for me and the football club and the players that may, that may leave. We don't know which, or who they are because you're waiting for other clubs to come and, erm, show an interest, er, but certainly i think, moving a few players on is, is the order for us
That's ad verbatim and i transcribed it myself.
Translation: My mate Steve has massively fucked up building this overpaid, unbalanced squad so we now need to unpick it, if we can.
Post by: stirlingblue on January 19, 2018, 08:08:47 PM
Reporter: More to come in this window
SA: Errr, no, I don't think so. i think that, erm, we would be more, in, in, in the terms of where we are at the moment moving players on. think that the squad is too big. Erm, there's a, there's thirty, thirty three players here at the moment and i think that, from my point of view, that means that, err, reducing that squad or those squad numbers is important for, for me and the football club and the players that may, that may leave. We don't know which, or who they are because you're waiting for other clubs to come and, erm, show an interest, er, but certainly i think, moving a few players on is, is the order for us
That's ad verbatim and i transcribed it myself.
You forgot to say FACT so it doesn't count as truth
Post by: gizzblue on January 19, 2018, 08:30:03 PM
FACTEveryone on the planet football knows we've got money .
Allardyce didn't say we are making no more signings, please read what he actually said
Now can all those people over reacting please breathe easy
Also, do people not realise 2 other FACTs
1. We have far too many players in the squad and we have a wage bill limit
2. When negotiating you never reveal your desperate for a certain player or position or you get fleeced.
And nobody is overreacting imho. .we are just used to being told the same bollocks year in year out .
No other players available
No money in the kitty
Not one of our targets available
Not able to get it done in time
We will go with what we've got ....all been over used by the fuckwits in charge .
And now our squad is too big ...ffs.
Post by: bluenuck on January 19, 2018, 09:27:30 PM
If this is the case though they should be looking to loan one. I believe stoke just did. There's loads of left backs out there. Lol
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on January 19, 2018, 11:05:54 PM
Post by: bogie on January 19, 2018, 11:13:51 PM
Post by: brap2 on January 19, 2018, 11:56:25 PM
no point signing anyone is there they would be a Big Sam signing and that would not suit some in here
What are you talking about?
I’m bang into Tosun like, and if we went and signed an exciting player I guarantee the forum would be bouncing.
Post by: brap2 on January 19, 2018, 11:59:15 PM
Would be the idea signing I think. We need youth, athleticism and ball playing ability to rejuvenate the back four next year
Post by: ally2 on January 20, 2018, 01:36:03 AM
2. When negotiating you never reveal your desperate for a certain player or position or you get fleeced.
Looks like we've learnt something from this summer at least
Post by: bluestevie on January 20, 2018, 01:38:43 AM
no point signing anyone is there they would be a Big Sam signing and that would not suit some in here
Turn it in
Post by: gizzblue on January 20, 2018, 01:44:21 AM
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on January 20, 2018, 01:51:17 AM
Reporter: More to come in this window
SA: Errr, no, I don't think so. i think that, erm, we would be more, in, in, in the terms of where we are at the moment moving players on. think that the squad is too big. Erm, there's a, there's thirty, thirty three players here at the moment and i think that, from my point of view, that means that, err, reducing that squad or those squad numbers is important for, for me and the football club and the players that may, that may leave. We don't know which, or who they are because you're waiting for other clubs to come and, erm, show an interest, er, but certainly i think, moving a few players on is, is the order for us
That's ad verbatim and i transcribed it myself.
Just imagine how many “phenomenals” Martinez would have shoehorned into that semi coherent rambling.
Post by: gizzblue on January 20, 2018, 01:56:16 AM
Just imagine how many "phenomenals” Martinez would have shoehorned into that semi coherent rambling.At least one for every Allardyce Erm.😅
Post by: arteta4spain on January 20, 2018, 02:00:39 AM
At least one for every Allardyce Erm.Big Sam getting interview techniques from Rooney then.
Post by: Outworlder47 on January 20, 2018, 02:38:26 AM
Don’t think he’d come but would be bang into Jonathan Tah, low release clause, athletic and can play abit.
Would be the idea signing I think. We need youth, athleticism and ball playing ability to rejuvenate the back four next year
£25M release clause is only active this summer, apparently. But yeah, he'd be a solid signing to bring down the age and hopefully boost overall quality at the back.
Post by: Goaljira on January 20, 2018, 01:48:48 PM
4 more games minimum without a LB then.
Post by: eugene on January 20, 2018, 02:57:46 PM
Post by: Cozzie on January 20, 2018, 02:58:45 PM
Post by: eugene on January 20, 2018, 03:17:27 PM
Still feel on deadline day we will get a left back.I agree it has been so blatant we have needed a LB for some time, we have a huge scouting network and to not deliver on this position would be a travesty by EVERTON and dare I say for Walsh fiddling whilst Rome burnt
Post by: boothill on January 20, 2018, 04:37:24 PM
Might be, Barnsley fan customer told me "Everton are back up to their old tricks buying our youngsters'.Jeez dunc, dya sell your arse in barnsley too ?
Post by: Bob Sacamano on January 20, 2018, 04:39:27 PM
Jeez dunc, dya sell your arse in barnsley too ?
As if he has a job. He read it on twitter.
Post by: Goaljira on January 20, 2018, 04:57:06 PM
Still feel on deadline day we will get a left back.
Thought that in August though. 'Once bitten....' and all that.
Post by: Redartin on January 20, 2018, 06:17:12 PM
Still feel on deadline day we will get a left back.
Lambert can walk into Stoke and, within a week, sign an international left back on loan.
If we don't get a left back in the next 11 days then Walsh should be "left back" where we got him, tit.
Post by: Cozzie on January 20, 2018, 06:33:08 PM
Lambert can walk into Stoke and, within a week, sign an international left back on loan.
If we don't get a left back in the next 11 days then Walsh should be "left back" where we got him, tit.
I'd have to agree, unless he is actually gonna register Garbutt and just chance it until the summer that Baines will return ok.
Still, we have needed a replacement for Baines regardless in the last few windows so it doesn't look great.
Post by: Redartin on January 20, 2018, 06:37:16 PM
I'd have to agree, unless he is actually gonna register Garbutt and just chance it until the summer that Baines will return ok.Registering Garbutt really makes me wonder what the fuck does Walsh actually do? And more important how much does he get for not doing it?
Still, we have needed a replacement for Baines regardless in the last few windows so it doesn't look great.
Post by: Macca77 on January 20, 2018, 07:15:43 PM
Post by: gizzblue on January 20, 2018, 07:19:57 PM
Im a left back, well more of a wing back, im available, match fit and ready to goIf your left leg is more than just for show ...your probably better than Coco.
Post by: TSGun on January 20, 2018, 07:25:33 PM
Im a left back, well more of a wing back, im available, match fit and ready to goHow cool it would be if every club had to play a member of their fans forum for one game every season, from start to finish.
The more I think about it the more I like it. What fun would be had.
Post by: Macca77 on January 20, 2018, 07:29:17 PM
If your left leg is more than just for show ...your probably better than Coco.
Im shit like, bad knees you see
Post by: Brownie20 on January 20, 2018, 07:29:18 PM
How cool it would be if every club had to play a member of their fans forum for one game every season, from start to finish.
The more I think about it the more I like it. What fun would be had.
I'm up for it
Post by: gizzblue on January 20, 2018, 07:30:28 PM
Im shit like, bad knees you seeYeah but you've got "two" knees so already I rekon your mustard next to Coco
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 20, 2018, 07:31:12 PM
Post by: TSGun on January 20, 2018, 07:38:39 PM
I'm up for itHaha...I sense a new record for shortest time in receiving a red card. I can hear the call now, '...there seems to be some commotion in the tunnel'.
Post by: Brownie20 on January 20, 2018, 07:55:35 PM
Haha...I sense a new record for shortest time in receiving a red card. I can hear the call now, '...there seems to be some commotion in the tunnel'.
Depends who we were playing 😉
Post by: Macca77 on January 20, 2018, 07:56:02 PM
How cool it would be if every club had to play a member of their fans forum for one game every season, from start to finish.
The more I think about it the more I like it. What fun would be had.
Make it happen
Post by: sam of the south on January 20, 2018, 08:23:10 PM
Haha...I sense a new record for shortest time in receiving a red card. I can hear the call now, '...there seems to be some commotion in the tunnel'.
Haha Yeah, wrong code, @Brownie20 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=169) lad
Post by: Brownie20 on January 21, 2018, 01:55:55 AM
Haha Yeah, wrong code, @Brownie20 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=169) lad
I can play it all buddy - Union, League, Footy, Cricket. Let's get it on
Post by: bluenuck on January 21, 2018, 02:07:43 AM
What left back have stoke signed?
Greek kid from Ausburg.
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/konstantinos-stafylidis/profil/spieler/148967
Post by: sam of the south on January 21, 2018, 02:37:04 AM
I can play it all buddy - Union, League, Footy, Cricket. Let's get it on
My god, I've never wanted you more! nod :hug: 🍆
Post by: Brownie20 on January 21, 2018, 02:45:51 AM
My god, I've never wanted you more! nod :hug: 🍆
Wait until you taste my cooking too
Post by: velimski on January 21, 2018, 03:10:53 AM
Wait until you taste my cooking too
At first glance I read that as 'cock'.
Post by: TheTone on January 21, 2018, 03:14:06 AM
At first glance I read that as 'cock'.
Perve
Post by: Faceatthefence on January 21, 2018, 03:38:52 AM
Yeah but you've got "two" knees so already I rekon your mustard next to CocoThink a set of broken bagpipes has more symmetry than our Cuco
Post by: velimski on January 21, 2018, 03:53:52 AM
Perve
bit rich coming from you ;)
Post by: Juanito on January 21, 2018, 04:47:39 AM
Reporter: More to come in this window
SA: Errr, no, I don't think so. i think that, erm, we would be more, in, in, in the terms of where we are at the moment moving players on. think that the squad is too big. Erm, there's a, there's thirty, thirty three players here at the moment and i think that, from my point of view, that means that, err, reducing that squad or those squad numbers is important for, for me and the football club and the players that may, that may leave. We don't know which, or who they are because you're waiting for other clubs to come and, erm, show an interest, er, but certainly i think, moving a few players on is, is the order for us
That's ad verbatim and i transcribed it myself.
All those pints of wine have taken its toll. Kids, this is a lesson to you all out there, don’t drink pints of wine.
Post by: Goaljira on January 21, 2018, 05:20:14 AM
Just someone who can operate on the left hand side of the pitch, not tackle with the wrong foot all the time, and can actually offer an out in attack instead of getting the ball, stopping, and cutting back on their right foot every time completely killing any chance of momentum or catching players unawares.
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on January 21, 2018, 05:26:15 AM
Post by: sam of the south on January 21, 2018, 05:29:02 AM
Sounds like Funes Mori will be stepping in to left back once he's fit, rather than buy an actual left back.
Oh really, have you heard a whisper somewhere?
Post by: Ridge on January 21, 2018, 05:34:04 AM
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on January 21, 2018, 05:35:45 AM
Oh really, have you heard a whisper somewhere?
Bumped into someone at the match today who I've not spoken with in a while and that's what he said, he's definitely got inside knowledge so it's quite likely.
Just said as soon as he's ready he will slot in to LB as they'd rather wait till the summer to sign a long term LB. Suppose that could all change if Sam's jobs is on the line.
Post by: kramer0 on January 21, 2018, 05:50:23 AM
I've never seen anything in Funes Mori to suggest he can play left back. He has a tenuous enough grasp on his natural position.
Post by: sam of the south on January 21, 2018, 05:50:45 AM
Bumped into someone at the match today who I've not spoken with in a while and that's what he said, he's definitely got inside knowledge so it's quite likely.
Just said as soon as he's ready he will slot in to LB as they'd rather wait till the summer to sign a long term LB. Suppose that could all change if Sam's jobs is on the line.
He's pretty poor at LB from what I remember, and after a long lay-off he's not going to have got better.
However, he does at least have a left foot..
Post by: sam of the south on January 21, 2018, 05:53:28 AM
So is Baines still alive?
The reports of the death of his career have been greatly underplayed
Post by: blueToffee on January 21, 2018, 06:32:58 AM
Post by: plowman2 on January 21, 2018, 06:39:40 AM
Sounds like Funes Mori will be stepping in to left back once he's fit, rather than buy an actual left back.g
Id honestly be mad up with that. Rather he was centre defense, but just like to see him playing. We need his commitment right now, especially in the defensive mentality.
Post by: Confucius on January 21, 2018, 08:30:58 AM
Sounds like Funes Mori will be stepping in to left back once he's fit, rather than buy an actual left back.
Like when? 2019? Let's write off two seasons waiting for someone to get fit.
Post by: Juanito on January 21, 2018, 12:35:05 PM
Post by: ajax_andy on January 21, 2018, 02:10:56 PM
Sounds like Funes Mori will be stepping in to left back once he's fit, rather than buy an actual left back.
Not back till March is he, think that's back in training not first team contention, so doubt this is true tbh
Post by: bluenuck on January 21, 2018, 02:49:29 PM
We also need a stud centre back. And a stud central mid-fielder who can link us with our forwards. Cause schneiderlin has lost his nuts and doesn't give a fuck. McCarthy is gone, gueye is a pure DM, and we can't rely on Davies because he's a kid.
Post by: Ramjam on January 21, 2018, 02:56:02 PM
We need a Fukkin left back. It's insane that we don't have one yet. I can't even Fukkin fathom how the people in charge can actually watch this shit and not go and buy a left back. It's really depressing. It's like running a printing business and refusing to buy the yellow ink cartridge. Like what the fuck??
We also need a stud centre back. And a stud central mid-fielder who can link us with our forwards. Cause schneiderlin has lost his nuts and doesn't give a fuck. McCarthy is gone, gueye is a pure DM, and we can't rely on Davies because he's a kid.
Fair assessment but I would like to see Benji getting some more game time, that boy impressed me during Unsies reign
Post by: GLewis on January 21, 2018, 03:02:27 PM
Fair assessment but I would like to see Benji getting some more game time, that boy impressed me during Unsies reign
I think he started off well but the pace of the game was starting to tell by his last few appearances where he was being by passed too easily.
It’s a tough position for a young player as experience is key for knowing where to be and when.
Hopefully he keeps developing though as he’d be ideal as a sitter in a 4-3-3.
Post by: Toddacelli on January 21, 2018, 03:40:52 PM
Post by: GLewis on January 21, 2018, 03:51:23 PM
Like him as a player but his age profile would be poor given we already have Sigurdsson, Walcott and Rooney in that bracket.
Also been playing regularly, so despite Sanchez coming, he’d only be one place down.
Post by: Lxxx on January 21, 2018, 04:07:46 PM
We need a strong spine to the side to build a formation around, not just signing players we hope might somehow create something due to a bit of individual skill, without it being a conscious way of attacking as a team.
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on January 21, 2018, 04:26:56 PM
So is Baines done then?
I've never seen anything in Funes Mori to suggest he can play left back. He has a tenuous enough grasp on his natural position.
Think he meant if he was fit before Baines then he would stand in at LB until Baines is fit.
Post by: Lxxx on January 21, 2018, 04:54:38 PM
Post by: farnhamtoffee on January 21, 2018, 04:56:29 PM
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 21, 2018, 05:00:09 PM
Just give Garbutt a chance,our season is over,see how it goes till then.
Isn't garbutt just almost certainly shit. No one wants to give him a chance. Not Martinez, not
Koeman and not allardyce.
He's probably crap
Post by: gizzblue on January 21, 2018, 05:11:12 PM
Isn't garbutt just almost certainly shit. No one wants to give him a chance. Not Martinez, notBut has an actual left foot ...100% upgrade on Coco.
Koeman and not allardyce.
He's probably crap
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 21, 2018, 05:12:38 PM
But has an actual left foot ...100% upgrade on Coco.
All we really know is that 2 managers disagree. Think he must be well short to not get and chance under these circumstances
Post by: Lxxx on January 21, 2018, 05:16:14 PM
Post by: Macca77 on January 21, 2018, 05:22:36 PM
That's about it
Post by: sirblue57 on January 21, 2018, 05:28:37 PM
All we really know is that 2 managers disagree. Think he must be well short to not get and chance under these circumstancesGiven the aptitude of those managers....give him a chance..
Post by: toshyboy on January 21, 2018, 05:51:09 PM
Garbutt took a few good corners once
That's about it
More than martina’s done
Post by: Ridge on January 21, 2018, 06:21:51 PM
Where’s this Mata talk?
Like him as a player but his age profile would be poor given we already have Sigurdsson, Walcott and Rooney in that bracket.
Also been playing regularly, so despite Sanchez coming, he’d only be one place down.
Given how little creativity we have from open play, he'd likely improve us more than the others have, could become a key player pretty quickly. He's also be taking one of their places, so it would be a strange move to replace someone recently signed for big money, older player with another older player, but makes more sense than they did.
Suspect its partly because Mourinho shipped out Mata before and he's already down the pecking order, so 1 more place might be too many. But with Mkhitaryan going the other way in deal, it's not obvious they need to get rid of anyone. But can see that Mata is now in Miki's place of hardly being needed and Mourinho would seem likely to listen to offers.
Post by: Hannibal Lecter on January 21, 2018, 06:22:32 PM
I've never seen anything in Funes Mori to suggest he can play left back. He has a tenuous enough grasp on his natural position.
At Everton you dont need any skills for being a left back to play that position... I thought that was obvious.
Post by: SANA_DR0 on January 21, 2018, 07:00:27 PM
Post by: gizzblue on January 21, 2018, 07:24:27 PM
we need to target a new manager.Best idea this window.
Post by: Alanvideo on January 21, 2018, 11:08:13 PM
http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/everton-newcastle-joe-bryan-transfer-1097150
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 21, 2018, 11:10:11 PM
Joe Bryan from Bristol linked .Left back !Bristol twitter feed is ace when they score
http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/everton-newcastle-joe-bryan-transfer-1097150
Post by: brap2 on January 22, 2018, 01:05:44 AM
Post by: GLewis on January 22, 2018, 01:09:45 AM
Rashford might be a bit further down he pecking order..
Will see himself as a CL player I reckon.
Post by: brap2 on January 22, 2018, 01:16:16 AM
Will see himself as a CL player I reckon.
Yeah I agree tbh.
Odiozola or whatever looks good for Sociedad. Always been a Pione Sisto fan as well but not really done much.
Post by: blue slug on January 22, 2018, 01:20:03 AM
Post by: Ravardo on January 22, 2018, 07:10:14 PM
Post by: SANA_DR0 on January 22, 2018, 07:14:22 PM
Betvictor have made us favourites to sign west hams cresswell
just gets more and more depressing.
Post by: Ravardo on January 22, 2018, 07:19:36 PM
Post by: Dr. Sponge on January 22, 2018, 08:18:47 PM
Cresswell is from where I'm from, so I'd get on board with that. Ignoring the fact he's a kopite.
Post by: gizzblue on January 22, 2018, 08:33:15 PM
Need to sell Sandro and Klassen, then spunk the lot on a left back.We've got one of the little biggest cunting kopites on the touchline ..will adding another really make any difference to the shite.
Cresswell is from where I'm from, so I'd get on board with that. Ignoring the fact he's a kopite.
Post by: Evertonian in NC on January 22, 2018, 08:51:09 PM
Now, I'm back to my usual depression. Carry on.
Post by: gizzblue on January 22, 2018, 08:52:32 PM
at first my mind was subbing "Chilwell" when y'all were shitting all over Cresswell, and I was completely baffled.A sense of humour is paramount mate 👍makes everything easier to deal with as a blue 😅😅
Now, I'm back to my usual depression. Carry on.
Post by: Heisenberg on January 23, 2018, 02:32:36 AM
Post by: bigac on January 23, 2018, 03:09:33 AM
Post by: Juanito on January 23, 2018, 04:01:33 AM
Post by: Outworlder47 on January 23, 2018, 11:20:34 PM
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/liverpool-everton-set-5million-transfer-11895566?_ga=2.41613031.477128886.1516699900-13484896.1498994923
Post by: blueToffee on January 23, 2018, 11:39:31 PM
Loan/Loan to buy/whatever. I'd feel comfortable with that. I feel there would be balance there.
We do have a lot on the line still, bare minimum should be a LB. However, given comments by Allardyce I'm not even that hopeful on a LB.
They're almost wearing me down with Cresswell, he's not very good but he's a LB and I'm starting to get a bit desperate the longer we go into the window without one. Would be another nail in the coffin of Walsh though.
Post by: Mayor Farnum on January 23, 2018, 11:47:04 PM
I cant get my head around us not having a left back in already. This is just as criminal as not getting a striker last summer
Hardly.
Post by: bluenuck on January 24, 2018, 12:28:44 AM
In my opinion it horribly un-balances our team. Martina isn't the greatest player in the world, but he's a better right back than a left back. By bringing in just a good left back, right there we improve on 2 positions. Also, we might not have to have our left mid/winger babysitting him anymore which would be nice to see. Might move another player a little bit more forward.
Post by: stirlingblue on January 24, 2018, 06:34:37 PM
Post by: Dr. Sponge on January 24, 2018, 06:47:16 PM
Post by: Hawkandro on January 24, 2018, 06:55:48 PM
(http://keyassets-p2.timeincuk.net/wp/prod/wp-content/uploads/sites/29/2015/07/alancheese.png)
Post by: Goaljira on January 24, 2018, 09:19:30 PM
Post by: Lxxx on January 24, 2018, 10:17:44 PM
Post by: Goaljira on January 24, 2018, 10:19:16 PM
I thought they'd already said there was going to be no left back.
They said there'd be snow at Christmas. They said there'd be peace on earth.
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 24, 2018, 10:36:04 PM
I thought they'd already said there was going to be no left back.Echo now saying garbutt back in the squad.......
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on January 24, 2018, 10:48:14 PM
Echo now saying garbutt back in the squad.......
The prodigal shun?
Post by: Toddacelli on January 24, 2018, 10:52:13 PM
The prodigal shun?
Is that you Sean?
Loved you in Highlander.
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on January 24, 2018, 10:57:40 PM
Is that you Sean?
Loved you in Highlander.
Yesh.
Post by: arteta4spain on January 24, 2018, 11:02:49 PM
How cool it would be if every club had to play a member of their fans forum for one game every season, from start to finish.Funnily enough i play left back whenever I play xi a side.
The more I think about it the more I like it. What fun would be had.
Post by: everton1952 on January 24, 2018, 11:34:35 PM
Echo now saying garbutt back in the squad.......Yes, but only from next month, probably in time for the Arsenal game.
Post by: Lxxx on January 25, 2018, 01:24:36 AM
Echo now saying garbutt back in the squad.......
It would be very Everton-like to decide to give him his big chance against one of the best right sided attackers in the league, instead of bedding him in against a team in the bottom three.
Post by: sam of the south on January 25, 2018, 02:01:06 AM
Yeah, buy a left-back you shit.
(http://keyassets-p2.timeincuk.net/wp/prod/wp-content/uploads/sites/29/2015/07/alancheese.png)
Smell my dubbin, you mutha!
Post by: eugene on January 25, 2018, 02:13:07 AM
Funnily enough i play left back whenever I play xi a side.I used to play right back but I do have a left pin, I recon I’d give coco a run, did I spell his name correctly
Post by: Ramjam on January 25, 2018, 05:55:42 AM
I used to play right back but I do have a left pin, I recon I'd give coco a run, did I spell his name correctly
No please give him his full title @eugene it’s Coco the clown 🤡 see Billy Smarts big top for previous employment
Post by: Juanito on January 27, 2018, 07:44:46 PM
Linked with Marcelo Brozovic. Like to see him alongside Gana, as he moves with the ball and can pass it forward.
Post by: Hannibal Lecter on January 27, 2018, 08:07:25 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IpIJVRdxdKMNo way!
Linked with Marcelo Brozovic. Like to see him alongside Gana, as he moves with the ball and can pass it forward.
Doesn't sound like he would suit our "tactics".
Post by: Juanito on January 27, 2018, 08:23:13 PM
No way!
Doesn't sound like he would suit our "tactics".
Agreed. He will get a sore neck watching Williams hoof it to the corner flag.
Post by: blue slug on January 28, 2018, 12:58:51 AM
Post by: Ramjam on January 28, 2018, 02:47:44 AM
Post by: Tony Clifton on January 28, 2018, 07:50:15 AM
Expect him to get his foot caught... as the window slams shut!
Moshiri live on SSN licking his own arse.
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-OXlGfTictco/UiTVdetKK2I/AAAAAAAAAQo/n3iXM6_V5Y8/s1600/SCANNERS.gif)
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on January 29, 2018, 12:48:44 AM
Post by: brap2 on January 29, 2018, 12:57:47 AM
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 29, 2018, 01:57:44 AM
Everyone arguing about our new manager. Not much hope of a new new manager being the big name people crave
I think it's not even a question of will we sign more players or will we get a new new new manager now. It's more a does it matter as we'll only fuck it up
Post by: Bigjmill on January 29, 2018, 04:54:09 AM
Post by: Hawkandro on January 29, 2018, 05:05:05 PM
Post by: Waltzer on January 29, 2018, 05:05:26 PM
As long as Besic makes it out of this window, then I'll be happy.
Expect him to get his foot caught... as the window slams shut!
Moshiri live on SSN licking his own arse.
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-OXlGfTictco/UiTVdetKK2I/AAAAAAAAAQo/n3iXM6_V5Y8/s1600/SCANNERS.gif)
Rumoured to be in talks with Middlesbrough over a loan move
Post by: Bob Sacamano on January 29, 2018, 05:11:54 PM
Post by: Macca77 on January 29, 2018, 05:21:22 PM
Post by: toshyboy on January 29, 2018, 05:22:10 PM
Go get a left back you gang of idiots.
If we don’t sign one it’s gross negligence of the highest order from the manager upwards
Post by: dax78 on January 29, 2018, 05:25:40 PM
If we don’t sign one it’s gross negligence of the highest order from the manager upwards
No, It was gross negligence on Koemans part not to sign one in the summer, and fail to register another left back for the squad.
Reality is, we will have to pay way over the odds for an average left back now, when instead we can register Garbutt and have Baines back in a few weeks to tide us over till the summer. When we can go and try to buy a new first choice left back without getting bummed.
Post by: Bob Sacamano on January 29, 2018, 06:36:19 PM
Post by: Hawkandro on January 29, 2018, 06:48:53 PM
Post by: SANA_DR0 on January 29, 2018, 06:50:34 PM
Post by: Lxxx on January 29, 2018, 07:03:24 PM
Post by: Cereal Killer on January 29, 2018, 07:41:11 PM
Allardyce has just said we've rejected loan offers for Sandro and Klassen, Lookman won't be going on loan
:headbang:
I fully expect Sam to have them playing then or else what the fuck is the point of keeping them around doing nothing?!?!
Post by: Macca77 on January 29, 2018, 07:43:49 PM
:headbang:
I fully expect Sam to have them playing then or else what the fuck is the point of keeping them around doing nothing?!?!
Probably ruling loan deals out in the hope that clubs will offer to buy them instead.
Post by: Cereal Killer on January 29, 2018, 07:47:31 PM
Probably ruling loan deals out in the hope that clubs will offer to buy them instead.
Doubt anyone is naive enough to be paying either of them £100k a week when they've played about 4 games this season
Post by: Lxxx on January 29, 2018, 08:14:00 PM
Doubt anyone is naive enough to be paying either of them £100k a week when they've played about 4 games this season
As the clock ticks down it's desperation that drives silly deals not naivety.
Post by: Alanvideo on January 29, 2018, 10:09:32 PM
West ham squad is decimated by injuries and now 6 match suspension for Masuaku.
Post by: Lincs Toffee on January 29, 2018, 10:23:49 PM
Not getting a left back are we lads, let's just face it it's Cuco then Baines until the summer. Unless the board feel like it's a clean sweep with a big brush come June so they're holding fire on more transfers until out go all the old school northern blokes from DoF downwards and in come a more forward thinking team.Think it will and should be more like Baines and Garbutt if we don't buy this in window.
Post by: Morta75 on January 30, 2018, 01:42:45 AM
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on January 30, 2018, 06:19:19 AM
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on January 30, 2018, 06:52:47 AM
Post by: brap2 on January 30, 2018, 02:06:41 PM
I must be one of the few who doesn't think N'zonzi will be that good for us.
Can easily easily see him flopping, just excited to see if we can do something to hange the midfield dynamic.
Post by: Macca77 on January 30, 2018, 02:30:11 PM
In - None
Out - Possibly Sandro, Klaassen and a few loans
Shake it all about
Post by: Lincs Toffee on January 30, 2018, 02:46:38 PM
Deadline day predictions,Kill Joy !
In - None
Out - Possibly Sandro, Klaassen and a few loans
Shake it all about
Post by: Macca77 on January 30, 2018, 02:50:21 PM
Kill Joy !
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-GpXWGGOFrY8/UYEMjltBB8I/AAAAAAAACnI/1VwGlXbAIVs/s1600/Killjoy4.JPG)
Post by: Ramjam on January 30, 2018, 02:53:00 PM
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-GpXWGGOFrY8/UYEMjltBB8I/AAAAAAAACnI/1VwGlXbAIVs/s1600/Killjoy4.JPG)Fiminho dressing up again
Post by: Lincs Toffee on January 30, 2018, 02:59:42 PM
Fiminho dressing up againNah his teeth aren't white enough
Post by: Ramjam on January 30, 2018, 03:31:56 PM
Nah his teeth aren't white enoughHe’s taken his caps off
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on January 30, 2018, 03:51:42 PM
He’s taken his caps off
OHHH NO HE HASN’T....
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on January 30, 2018, 03:56:14 PM
Post by: Lincs Toffee on January 30, 2018, 04:09:11 PM
I heard a rumour WHU wanted £28m for Creswell. If that’s true then I can see why we’ve not pushed for a LB. We reek of desperation and teams want to bum us.Swap for Schneirdelin ... now I'm not sure if that's a good deal or not actually
Post by: Macca77 on January 30, 2018, 04:16:39 PM
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Post by: Waltzer on January 30, 2018, 04:38:37 PM
Silly season has started early, some twitter pleb claims that we're looking for a swap deal with Palace, Niasse for Benteke
Id be happy with that, why dont we ask for Zaha too!!? :)
Post by: Lxxx on January 30, 2018, 05:14:06 PM
Id be happy with that, why dont we ask for Zaha too!!? :)
I'd even take Hodgson for Allardyce.
Post by: hackersunite on January 30, 2018, 05:50:32 PM
Now the club has a Billionaire backer and we have literally fallen apart. No consistency. A manager who stops the rot but only to prevent relegation. Players leaving either sold or on loan but little in the way of the required positions coming in. This transfer window like the summer has been terrible.
We need to get back to grassroots and play players where they are most threatening and a play that looks solid and not on the ragged edge, a manager that the fans can trust and have faith that the club will rise again. I can see this season being a mid-table finish which will be a miracle considering the start of the season.
Each time the Sky sports page pops up another player has been bought by another premier league team. What is Steve Walsh doing? Seems he like to go out on Jollys on the company and get nothing in return. Anderlecht’s Leander Dendoncker under consideration by Watford??? Thought he was an interest to us. I would have even had Deulofeu back just to add something to the squad. Koeman just didn't like him just like Barkley.
Preparing to get slated.............. 8)
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 30, 2018, 05:58:42 PM
Yeah just read about west ham cooling interest. Still can't believe we have/may lose. Klaasen, Ramirez, Lookman mirallas and Lennon and only get tusan and Walcott in. If theo gets injured (which isnt unlikely) we've lost virtually all attacking threat out wide.
Lookman?? Where to?
Post by: Macca77 on January 30, 2018, 06:09:09 PM
Post by: Glory on January 30, 2018, 06:12:27 PM
I am glad we haven't raced away and bought players (like Deondecker) without having a longer-term vision. For that to occur we need to bin Walsh and Allardyce, neither will provide the platform we need.
The January window is always a difficult time to buy and unless the right player comes along then we should just stick with what we have got. This season is effectively over, barring falling back into that relegation scrap (which we shouldn't).
I can understand your view and in part I agree. However I honestly feel we need a clean slate and therefore chasing bodies for rhe sake of it will not achieve anything.
Post by: Lincs Toffee on January 30, 2018, 06:13:02 PM
Middlesbrough want BesicWhat the fuck are we waiting for ?
Post by: stirlingblue on January 30, 2018, 06:57:47 PM
Post by: formerKHL on January 30, 2018, 08:17:03 PM
know the arguments he probably wouldn't of come here etc etc...but nonetheless...I think you'd get 10 goals out of him from now until the end of the season.......
Post by: Evertonian in NC on January 30, 2018, 08:42:35 PM
I'd even take Hodgson for Allardyce.
Talk about a Cunt Exchange Program....
Post by: blueToffee on January 30, 2018, 08:57:03 PM
Id be happy with that, why dont we ask for Zaha too!!? :)
Benteke? Have you seen him recently? Awful, but even before his injury his form has been pretty ropey.
Allardyce has said Niasse isn't leaving in this window, so this sounds made up anyhow.
Post by: Macca77 on January 30, 2018, 08:58:39 PM
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From what I was told, payment for Niasse and loan for Benteke as Palace want rid. Might not happen, but that's what we were looking at
Post by: Lxxx on January 30, 2018, 09:00:50 PM
From TEF
Wouldn't be happy with that. He's had his day. Lazy player.
Post by: blueToffee on January 30, 2018, 09:08:43 PM
If we considered selling our (I believe) 2nd highest goalscorer this season when we're struggling to score...for Benteke, a player who is the very opposite of what we need (lazy, uninvested and above all else in pretty terrible form) I'd give up on Walsh and Allardyce then and there.
Would be a shocking decision.
Post by: bigmanbob on January 30, 2018, 09:12:11 PM
I don't think Niasse is the answer to all our problems, but for right now he fills a particular need quite well. He comes on as a sub and brings workrate, enthusiasm and massively important...he does get goals.
If we considered selling our (I believe) 2nd highest goalscorer this season when we're struggling to score...for Benteke, a player who is the very opposite of what we need (lazy, uninvested and above all else in pretty terrible form) I'd give up on Walsh and Allardyce then and there.
Would be a shocking decision.
Spot on
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 31, 2018, 02:56:16 AM
Deadline day is nearly here and we are linked with......................... ..........
Tomoz is gonna be a belter. If moshiri rocks up again I'll kill him myself
Post by: Cereal Killer on January 31, 2018, 02:57:31 AM
So
Deadline day is nearly here and we are linked with......................... ..........
Tomoz is gonna be a belter. If moshiri rocks up again I'll kill him myself
It'll be 'we've got a match so nothing is happening whatsoever' or announcing 5 signings at half time
Post by: SANA_DR0 on January 31, 2018, 03:18:33 AM
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Post by: Macca77 on January 31, 2018, 04:07:13 AM
Ross Barkley
Aaron Lennon
Kevin Mirallas
Sandro Ramirez
Others likely going
Klassen
Besic
Post by: Macca77 on January 31, 2018, 04:21:08 AM
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on January 31, 2018, 04:21:19 AM
Are there really lazy players? Unless there's some bad feeing between the player and club I don't think players are ever going to go out and think "I can't be arsed with this". i think it just comes down to style of play and tactics.But do they work their bollocks off in training?
‘Sandro do you want to stay behind and work on your finishing?’
‘No ta, I’ve got Joel coming over for a FIFA session. Night’.
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on January 31, 2018, 04:23:37 AM
Brozovic going to SevilleLuxury player, he’d get eaten alive in the Prem a la Davy.
We need a physicality in our midfield...such as N’Zonzi. Hopefully this will free him up for us.
Post by: Gash on January 31, 2018, 04:25:27 AM