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Title: [News]Can Everton Push for a Top-Six Finish Under Allardyce?
Post by: Everton News on December 11, 2017, 11:22:13 PM
Can Everton Push for a Top-Six Finish Under Allardyce?

A few weeks ago Everton were in turmoil, and at one point it looked as though they could have been sucked into a relegation battle.

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Title: Re: [News]Can Everton Push for a Top-Six Finish Under Allardyce?
Post by: kramer0 on December 11, 2017, 11:30:39 PM
Top 6? No.

Top 7? Absolutely.
Title: Re: [News]Can Everton Push for a Top-Six Finish Under Allardyce?
Post by: D15TIN on December 11, 2017, 11:35:59 PM
We'll be looking towards 7th again if we win our next two games - we'll also spend more in Jan than the likes of Watford, Leicester & Burnley, top 6 is too far off, weve lost further ground from last season
Title: Re: [News]Can Everton Push for a Top-Six Finish Under Allardyce?
Post by: blargins on December 11, 2017, 11:39:09 PM
Top 7 he certainly can. He's done it before with Bolton.
Title: Re: [News]Can Everton Push for a Top-Six Finish Under Allardyce?
Post by: MmmblueBernard on December 11, 2017, 11:46:31 PM
Top 7 he certainly can. He's done it before with Bolton.

<shudders>
Title: Re: [News]Can Everton Push for a Top-Six Finish Under Allardyce?
Post by: Goaljira on December 11, 2017, 11:51:46 PM
No.  Even 7th is a big ask at this point.
Title: Re: [News]Can Everton Push for a Top-Six Finish Under Allardyce?
Post by: blargins on December 11, 2017, 11:55:02 PM
No.  Even 7th is a big ask at this point.

We're only 3 wins off it.
Title: Re: [News]Can Everton Push for a Top-Six Finish Under Allardyce?
Post by: Macca77 on December 11, 2017, 11:56:07 PM
7th again
Title: Re: [News]Can Everton Push for a Top-Six Finish Under Allardyce?
Post by: Cereal Killer on December 12, 2017, 12:00:50 AM
We'll be looking towards 7th again if we win our next two games - we'll also spend more in Jan than the likes of Watford, Leicester & Burnley, top 6 is too far off, weve lost further ground from last season

We'll spend more than most clubs as our squad is so unbalanced..... we'll be battling Leicester for 7th at best
Title: Re: [News]Can Everton Push for a Top-Six Finish Under Allardyce?
Post by: D15TIN on December 12, 2017, 12:01:54 AM
7th would be unbelievable with the season weve had, would show how much shite is in the PL if we were still able to achieve Europe again.
Title: Re: [News]Can Everton Push for a Top-Six Finish Under Allardyce?
Post by: D15TIN on December 12, 2017, 12:02:27 AM
We'll spend more than most clubs as our squad is so unbalanced..... we'll be battling Leicester for 7th at best
Wouldn't discount burnley theyre solid and organised
Title: Re: [News]Can Everton Push for a Top-Six Finish Under Allardyce?
Post by: Cereal Killer on December 12, 2017, 12:05:13 AM
Wouldn't discount burnley theyre solid and organised

I'm not sure they'd be able to keep it going though, teams like that without the squad depth tend to tail off badly towards the end of the season
Title: Re: [News]Can Everton Push for a Top-Six Finish Under Allardyce?
Post by: D15TIN on December 12, 2017, 12:18:04 AM
I'm not sure they'd be able to keep it going though, teams like that without the squad depth tend to tail off badly towards the end of the season
Yeah they'll definitely have a slump like at some point, got a decent gap already though, we'll see
Title: Re: [News]Can Everton Push for a Top-Six Finish Under Allardyce?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 12, 2017, 12:21:07 AM
I'd be happy if we are the 7th best side from when allardyce started. Not sure we can make up the points to actually finish 7th though
Title: Re: [News]Can Everton Push for a Top-Six Finish Under Allardyce?
Post by: TheRam on December 12, 2017, 12:22:37 AM
Burnley are going to drop a lot of points.

Should be aiming for 7th
Title: Re: [News]Can Everton Push for a Top-Six Finish Under Allardyce?
Post by: brap2 on December 12, 2017, 12:27:07 AM
8th best case scenario without an incredible run of results imo
Title: Re: [News]Can Everton Push for a Top-Six Finish Under Allardyce?
Post by: Macca77 on December 12, 2017, 12:27:56 AM
Ive said 7th since the start of the season, I still said 7th when we were in the bottom 3 and a lot of you laughed, so now im saying 8th
Title: Re: [News]Can Everton Push for a Top-Six Finish Under Allardyce?
Post by: Thornton_19 on December 12, 2017, 12:28:40 AM
Southampton finished 8th with 48 points last year. Nobodies improved that much. If we hit 50 points I reckon we will be there or there abouts.
Title: Re: [News]Can Everton Push for a Top-Six Finish Under Allardyce?
Post by: Ross on December 12, 2017, 12:31:13 AM
Steady on now.
Title: Re: [News]Can Everton Push for a Top-Six Finish Under Allardyce?
Post by: Thornton_19 on December 12, 2017, 12:32:43 AM
Also aren't we on about the same amount of points we were this time last season?
Title: Re: [News]Can Everton Push for a Top-Six Finish Under Allardyce?
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 12, 2017, 12:35:38 AM
Also aren't we on about the same amount of points we were this time last season?
Think so yeah but we went on a decent run from here
Title: Re: [News]Can Everton Push for a Top-Six Finish Under Allardyce?
Post by: Thornton_19 on December 12, 2017, 12:37:16 AM
Think so yeah but we went on a decent run from here
We did indeed. I think we will again. This league is so full of shite, we went from being 100% relegated to 10th in 3 games. Feel we will build on it and move only upwards.
Title: Re: [News]Can Everton Push for a Top-Six Finish Under Allardyce?
Post by: D15TIN on December 12, 2017, 12:45:04 AM
Allardyces first crack at a big club with money, a lot of managers/former players rate him highly and have said for a while he deserved that chance, just wasn't the attractive choice for most. Let's see how he does, be interesting to see who he brings in in January
Title: Re: [News]Can Everton Push for a Top-Six Finish Under Allardyce?
Post by: Confucius on December 12, 2017, 12:56:36 AM
I can see 6th. Watch the RS implode after the weekend.
Title: Re: [News]Can Everton Push for a Top-Six Finish Under Allardyce?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 12, 2017, 12:57:31 AM
Allardyces first crack at a big club with money, a lot of managers/former players rate him highly and have said for a while he deserved that chance, just wasn't the attractive choice for most. Let's see how he does, be interesting to see who he brings in in January

Fingers crossed for a JJ okacha type find. Think he knows we are lacking attacking quality. Said as much yesterday. Winger striker and worryingly another number 10 (or barkley to stay)
Title: Re: [News]Can Everton Push for a Top-Six Finish Under Allardyce?
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on December 12, 2017, 12:59:54 AM
weird isn't  it last seasons start basically kept us up there all season, and we went on that run after the derby defeat,  a bit like Burnley are doing this season ( can see them dropping off if they get more injuries and once they get around 40pts) same with Watford , Leicester and Us for 7th & 8th.      3 wins in this league and anything is possible , if we are 8th/9th come January Window, along with players coming back , we should have a decent second half , 50pts - 55pts
Title: Re: [News]Can Everton Push for a Top-Six Finish Under Allardyce?
Post by: TheTone on December 12, 2017, 02:46:27 AM
it's a free for all for 7th or 8th , best of the shit really
Title: Re: [News]Can Everton Push for a Top-Six Finish Under Allardyce?
Post by: gizzblue on December 12, 2017, 03:26:35 AM
Maybe not this year but I really rekon if we can find some attacking play with the solid defence ....the sky is the limit next year .
Title: Re: [News]Can Everton Push for a Top-Six Finish Under Allardyce?
Post by: loroloco on December 12, 2017, 03:37:08 AM
Maybe not this year but I really rekon if we can find some attacking play with the solid defence ....the sky is the limit next year .

i agree with you whole heartedly but couldnīt help but laugh at the same time. how long have we been saying this. typical everton isnīt it. we just never seem to get it right and if/when we do, you can bet your life that the shite will win the league that year.
Title: Re: [News]Can Everton Push for a Top-Six Finish Under Allardyce?
Post by: Cereal Killer on December 12, 2017, 04:00:28 AM
Maybe not this year but I really rekon if we can find some attacking play with the solid defence ....the sky is the limit next year .

The sky 6 being the limit? Probably
Title: Re: [News]Can Everton Push for a Top-Six Finish Under Allardyce?
Post by: gizzblue on December 12, 2017, 04:03:53 AM
The sky 6 being the limit? Probably
No i actually meant we might get a mention on sky 😅
Title: Re: [News]Can Everton Push for a Top-Six Finish Under Allardyce?
Post by: therealdunc on December 12, 2017, 05:40:38 AM
Allardyces first crack at a big club with money, a lot of managers/former players rate him highly and have said for a while he deserved that chance, just wasn't the attractive choice for most. Let's see how he does, be interesting to see who he brings in in January

I agree with this and January is essential not only to get 2 or 3 in to add some balance to the squad
BUT
We need to get 5 or 6 out

Besic
Jagielka
Robles
Niasse
Klassen
Mirallas
Schneiderlin
Fumes Mori


If we can get rid of them and get 3 quality players (left back, winger and striker) then we will have had a brilliant window but I think we will struggle to get rid of so many players in one go.

The easiest players in that list to move on are Schneiderlin, Mirallas and Fumes Mori as they will want games to try and make their respective World Cup squads.
Title: Re: [News]Can Everton Push for a Top-Six Finish Under Allardyce?
Post by: Redartin on December 12, 2017, 06:02:05 AM
We need to get 5 or 6 out

Besic
Jagielka
Robles
Niasse
Klassen
Mirallas
Schneiderlin
Fumes Mori


That's EIGHT.
Title: Re: [News]Can Everton Push for a Top-Six Finish Under Allardyce?
Post by: montanatoffeefan on December 12, 2017, 06:23:00 AM
Wouldn't discount burnley theyre solid and organised

A sad testament to how far we fell under late Martinez and Koeman.
Title: Re: [News]Can Everton Push for a Top-Six Finish Under Allardyce?
Post by: april on December 12, 2017, 02:18:11 PM
I can see 6th. Watch the RS implode after the weekend.
And again next month when we set off on a cup run.
Title: Re: [News]Can Everton Push for a Top-Six Finish Under Allardyce?
Post by: TSGun on December 12, 2017, 03:49:48 PM
I hope we're pushing for it whether it's beyond us or not.
Title: Re: [News]Can Everton Push for a Top-Six Finish Under Allardyce?
Post by: everton1952 on December 12, 2017, 05:07:06 PM
That's EIGHT.
Plus Sandro is 9. (Why Robles?) A pretty damning summary of the weakness of this squad. That is why we got Sam. I doubt he would be able to shift out more than two of that lot. The answer to the thread question is certainly not.  Anywhere near 8th would be an achievement.
Title: Re: [News]Can Everton Push for a Top-Six Finish Under Allardyce?
Post by: Toddacelli on December 12, 2017, 05:36:46 PM
I agree with this and January is essential not only to get 2 or 3 in to add some balance to the squad
BUT
We need to get 5 or 6 out

Besic
Jagielka
Robles
Niasse
Klassen
Mirallas
Schneiderlin
Fumes Mori


If we can get rid of them and get 3 quality players (left back, winger and striker) then we will have had a brilliant window but I think we will struggle to get rid of so many players in one go.

The easiest players in that list to move on are Schneiderlin, Mirallas and Fumes Mori as they will want games to try and make their respective World Cup squads.


Besic                   Keep. Low wage, decent squad player, offerss options we don't have with anyone else.
Jagielka               Keep. At least until the end of the season. Be daft to get rid of him and Funes Mori and rely on Holgate Keane and WIlliams. 
Robles                 I agree. I think Stekelenberg has more howlers in him, but I still prefer him to Robles.
Niasse                 Keep. Let him get a decent tally by the end of the season and we'll get a few quid for him. Also offers something unique.
Klaassen             Keep. Not had a go yet. We need to see his best and then decide whether to stick or twist or we could lose a good player very cheaply.
Mirallas               50/50 I do like him but he's not hitting form like he should be. Would be happy either way.
Schneiderlin        Get rid. Plenty of cover in midfield and too much of a shithouse
Fumes Mori         Keep. He has a lot of good about him and would like to see him under Big Sam - he might be the manager to turn him into a very good CB. Also, he plays in the same team as Messi on the international breaks so could get into his ear about coming and playing with Rooney before he retires.    :thumbsup:
Title: Re: [News]Can Everton Push for a Top-Six Finish Under Allardyce?
Post by: therealdunc on December 12, 2017, 07:03:21 PM

Besic                   Keep. Low wage, decent squad player, offerss options we don't have with anyone else.
Jagielka               Keep. At least until the end of the season. Be daft to get rid of him and Funes Mori and rely on Holgate Keane and WIlliams. 
Robles                 I agree. I think Stekelenberg has more howlers in him, but I still prefer him to Robles.
Niasse                 Keep. Let him get a decent tally by the end of the season and we'll get a few quid for him. Also offers something unique.
Klaassen             Keep. Not had a go yet. We need to see his best and then decide whether to stick or twist or we could lose a good player very cheaply.
Mirallas               50/50 I do like him but he's not hitting form like he should be. Would be happy either way.
Schneiderlin        Get rid. Plenty of cover in midfield and too much of a shithouse
Fumes Mori         Keep. He has a lot of good about him and would like to see him under Big Sam - he might be the manager to turn him into a very good CB. Also, he plays in the same team as Messi on the international breaks so could get into his ear about coming and playing with Rooney before he retires.    :thumbsup:

With such ambition, please donít complain if we continue to win nothing
Title: Re: [News]Can Everton Push for a Top-Six Finish Under Allardyce?
Post by: Toddacelli on December 12, 2017, 07:32:11 PM
With such ambition, please donít complain if we continue to win nothing

Ok I think you are labouring under certain misapprehensions...

I have no ambition. My ambition had nothing to do with your original post, which was "If we can get rid of them and get 3 quality players (left back, winger and striker) then we will have had a brilliant window" and I disagreed. You were talking about getting rid of 3 players who can play CB with no mention of replacements leaving us a squad of 3 CB's - 1 old and unreliable, 1 young and unreliable and a teenager.

Your original post was correct. It wasn't. The additions I agreed with AND getting rid of some dead weight, but weakening areas with no replacements when the players we have currently arew not even good enough? Bad idea. Your original post was wrong, or at best, only partly correct.

You can tell people that they have no right to complain. About anything. I'm just gonna leave that one there and let you think about it for a bit. I'm sure you'll figure it out.
Title: Re: [News]Can Everton Push for a Top-Six Finish Under Allardyce?
Post by: Gary1878 on December 12, 2017, 07:36:44 PM
I think we can but it would require a West Brom-like implosion by Burnley that happened last season to the Baggies.
Title: Re: [News]Can Everton Push for a Top-Six Finish Under Allardyce?
Post by: Ross on December 12, 2017, 08:43:00 PM
I think we can but it would require a West Brom-like implosion by Burnley that happened last season to the Baggies.

Burnley have got a very tricky Christmas and January, Utd and City twice within a few weeks and Spurs and the Shite also thrown into a nine game difficult period that also includes some tough always to struggling sides.

Thatís the time weíll make up the ground hopefully, it coincides with us playing West Brom a few times and the likes of Bournemouth away. Our most difficult games during this run are at home (Utd & Chelsea), as long as the gap between now and Christmas doesnít increase we should be more than capable of bridging it before the end of January.
Title: Re: [News]Can Everton Push for a Top-Six Finish Under Allardyce?
Post by: Tofifee on December 12, 2017, 08:55:14 PM
This is mental!
2 weeks ago I would have bitten hands off for 17th!!
Lads, we got a result against Liverpool sure, but we were CATASTROPHIC!
Only their self implosion saved us.
We played AWFUL.
7th....pipe dream.
We wont go down, but we will finish closer to 17th than 7th
We havent just become a good team again  :headbang:
Title: Re: [News]Can Everton Push for a Top-Six Finish Under Allardyce?
Post by: Omar on December 12, 2017, 09:03:50 PM
I don't see top six, but seventh is a fair chances.
Title: Re: [News]Can Everton Push for a Top-Six Finish Under Allardyce?
Post by: D15TIN on December 12, 2017, 09:11:33 PM
I agree with this and January is essential not only to get 2 or 3 in to add some balance to the squad
BUT
We need to get 5 or 6 out

Besic
Jagielka
Robles
Niasse
Klassen
Mirallas
Schneiderlin
Fumes Mori

Wouldn't sell Niasse, I'd just have him as an option off the bench, I think he's useful, agree with most of the rest

Mori's not going to be fit until the end of the season so he'll be staying for now
Title: Re: [News]Can Everton Push for a Top-Six Finish Under Allardyce?
Post by: Ridge on December 12, 2017, 09:50:17 PM
Are any of our players good enough to be starting for a top 6 team?

I think we should finish top half, but the days of scraping europe with percentage football are gone.
Title: Re: [News]Can Everton Push for a Top-Six Finish Under Allardyce?
Post by: everton1952 on December 12, 2017, 10:00:51 PM
This is mental!
2 weeks ago I would have bitten hands off for 17th!!
Lads, we got a result against Liverpool sure, but we were CATASTROPHIC!
Only their self implosion saved us.
We played AWFUL.
7th....pipe dream.
We wont go down, but we will finish closer to 17th than 7th
We havent just become a good team again  :headbang:
What adjective would you have used worse than CATASTROPHIC  had we lost the game?  The defenders deserve great credit from that match. They should not be included in the "we" when you say "We played  AWFUL".  I would imagine they are probably chuffed. As for the neutrals and the redshite, both the largely redshite pundits and their awful fans, I do not care what they think. Early days yet before we get the style back, so top 8 would be very good looking ahead from here. 
Title: Re: [News]Can Everton Push for a Top-Six Finish Under Allardyce?
Post by: TheTone on December 12, 2017, 10:03:22 PM
This is mental!
2 weeks ago I would have bitten hands off for 17th!!
Lads, we got a result against Liverpool sure, but we were CATASTROPHIC!
Only their self implosion saved us.
We played AWFUL.
7th....pipe dream.
We wont go down, but we will finish closer to 17th than 7th
We havent just become a good team again  :headbang:

(http://goodtoknow.media.ipcdigital.co.uk/111/000012c7f/34e5/family-thumbs-up.gif)
Title: Re: [News]Can Everton Push for a Top-Six Finish Under Allardyce?
Post by: BlueForYou on December 13, 2017, 12:10:54 AM
Top half, hopefully

Nice pair of legs
Title: Re: [News]Can Everton Push for a Top-Six Finish Under Allardyce?
Post by: brap2 on December 13, 2017, 01:29:43 AM
8th MIGHT be on if we work out how to win away from home, but 7th ainít happening I donít think...

Would be fucking made up with 8th me. Itíd be great to get past those sweats in the cup but canít see it...klopps an ego monster and will be looking to send a message.

Burnley will be sound tho. Very impressed with Dyche still. Saw a graphic the other day that theyíve only conceded shots from inside the box and practically from within the frame of the goal. His structural work and closing down has gone on another level I think.