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Title: Successful Simulation
Post by: Rodenplav64 on December 17, 2017, 03:03:19 PM
I must admit that this is beginning to annoy me . I have the feeling that Niasse is the only player going to get done for this . Since he was suspended there have been numerous examples and nothing has been done . Typical of the FA to make a point and then just forget it like they did with the shirt pulling in the box .
Title: Re: Successful Simulation
Post by: Paddockoldie on December 17, 2017, 03:16:24 PM
Maybe they've realised they've opend a can of worms here so will just let it fade? Add to that the Klopp rant about DCL. Do they want that kind of attention on a regular basis?
Title: Re: Successful Simulation
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 17, 2017, 03:20:49 PM
It's a laughable half a rule. Seems you're allowed to dive and get away with it so long as it's not a penalty.
Then on top of that they don't really want to know when it's a big name player. So they've managed to only get Niasse and the ref said he'd still give the penalty afterwards

Been a complete joke.
Title: Re: Successful Simulation
Post by: Ell Capitan on December 17, 2017, 03:40:12 PM
Imagine the fume on here if we get done for it a second time before any other team does.
Title: Re: Successful Simulation
Post by: Brownie on December 17, 2017, 04:59:28 PM
I thought this was what women did when they convinced you that the had climaxed
Title: Re: Successful Simulation
Post by: gizzblue on December 17, 2017, 05:04:18 PM
It seems a new one each week goes unpunished. ..the FA taking the Wenger (erm I did not see it) aproach ....Top of my head Sterling, Zaha ,Zaha, Ally,fernandinho,and now Lanzini all since Niasse ...but nowt.
Title: Re: Successful Simulation
Post by: 74Blue on December 17, 2017, 05:38:54 PM
The question is, why are Everton not kicking up an almighty stink about this?
Can you imagine the shite that the likes of Mourinho or Wenger would be spouting right now if the same thing had happened to a Man Utd or Arsenal player, which is exactly why the FA seem to be shying away from their ruling. It's just typical Everton to just take it on the chin and do fuck all.
Title: Re: Successful Simulation
Post by: SANA_DR0 on December 17, 2017, 06:32:53 PM
cant wait for the video assisted stuff. hopefully refs will book the divers after they have seen the replays.

its supposed to be trialed in the fa cup this year?

our match V Liverpool will be the first one i think.

The Football Association intends to introduce Video Assistant Referees from The Emirates FA Cup third round onwards in the 2017-18 season, according to chief executive Martin Glenn.
http://www.thefa.com/news/2017/mar/06/ifab-agm-results-060317
Title: Re: Successful Simulation
Post by: Rodenplav64 on December 17, 2017, 07:26:34 PM
I thought this was what women did when they convinced you that the had climaxed

Yours might .
Title: Re: Successful Simulation
Post by: Rodenplav64 on December 17, 2017, 07:28:42 PM
It seems a new one each week goes unpunished. ..the FA taking the Wenger (erm I did not see it) aproach ....Top of my head Sterling, Zaha ,Zaha, Ally,fernandinho,and now Lanzini all since Niasse ...but nowt.

Lanzini and Murray for Brighton were as blatant as it gets .
Title: Re: Successful Simulation
Post by: blargins on December 17, 2017, 07:35:37 PM
Perhaps all they need to do is make it a straight red for simulation. Right now, if you get caught doing it, it's only a yellow. If the ref misses it and the panel looks at it, it's a two match ban. Really doesn't make sense at all.

Title: Re: Successful Simulation
Post by: Brownie on December 17, 2017, 07:37:12 PM
Yours might .


You can always spot the ones who are leaving their women unsatisfied when they come out all defensive 😜
Title: Re: Successful Simulation
Post by: bacon sarnie on December 17, 2017, 08:13:40 PM
Careful or you'll have #TheTone in here.......
Title: Re: Successful Simulation
Post by: Shropshire Blue on December 17, 2017, 08:20:52 PM
cant wait for the video assisted stuff. hopefully refs will book the divers after they have seen the replays.

its supposed to be trialed in the fa cup this year?

our match V Liverpool will be the first one i think.

The Football Association intends to introduce Video Assistant Referees from The Emirates FA Cup third round onwards in the 2017-18 season, according to chief executive Martin Glenn.
http://www.thefa.com/news/2017/mar/06/ifab-agm-results-060317
Might be wrong but I think given the high profile of the game ours wasn't going to be used in the experiment ?
Title: Re: Successful Simulation
Post by: Rodenplav64 on December 17, 2017, 09:01:23 PM
You can always spot the ones who are leaving their women unsatisfied when they come out all defensive 😜

Indeed you do some a bit defensive .
Title: Re: Successful Simulation
Post by: AllyBlue14 on December 17, 2017, 09:09:23 PM
Lanzini and Murray for Brighton were as blatant as it gets .

And Izquierdo too. That was painful bad - the ref didn't give it but also didn't book him. Will that be looked at?
Title: Re: Successful Simulation
Post by: Brownie on December 17, 2017, 09:12:38 PM
Indeed you do some a bit defensive .

Not me. I'm married with two kids. Forgotten what sex is
Title: Re: Successful Simulation
Post by: Rodenplav64 on December 17, 2017, 10:16:22 PM
Not me. I'm married with two kids. Forgotten what sex is

Likewise  .
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Post by: Major Clanger on December 17, 2017, 10:51:53 PM
And Izquierdo too. That was painful bad - the ref didn't give it but also didn't book him. Will that be looked at?

No, only the ones that end in a penalty and/or red card are reviewed. Why? Just because, there's no logical reason.
Title: Re: Successful Simulation
Post by: loroloco on December 17, 2017, 11:09:07 PM
I must admit that this is beginning to annoy me . I have the feeling that Niasse is the only player going to get done for this . Since he was suspended there have been numerous examples and nothing has been done . Typical of the FA to make a point and then just forget it like they did with the shirt pulling in the box .

its a fucking stupid rule. you only get done if you get the pen. it hasn´t stopped anyone from diving. i would love to see the introduction of the black card they have in gaelic footbal. i reckon it´d be the best rule introduced in soccer since the backpass got outlawed. it´s essentially a forced substitution. and if you´ve used all 3 subs already then tough, you have to play the rest of the game with 10 men. you could also give a black card for those cynical fouls where you ¨take one for team¨ when you pull someone back in order to stop a team on a break away. getting a yellow card does fuck all to stop them doing it. a black card would be more than a yellow but less than a red. well that´s my 2 cents anyway...
Title: Re: Successful Simulation
Post by: gizzblue on December 18, 2017, 12:17:50 AM
A bit off topic but still more proof the FA is crap at its job.

http://www.football365.com/news/mails-dele-alli-is-that-type-of-player
Title: Re: Successful Simulation
Post by: kramer0 on December 18, 2017, 02:11:13 AM
Not that it's my place to worry about what happens to West Ham, but if Lanzini doesn't get a ban for this... well, I don't know what to say.

https://streamable.com/trtsl (https://streamable.com/trtsl)

Magnitudes worse than Niasse. Moyes with a brilliant explanation, as well.

https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/7kappc/david_moyes_on_the_penalty_manuel_lanzini_ran/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/7kappc/david_moyes_on_the_penalty_manuel_lanzini_ran/)
Title: Re: Successful Simulation
Post by: Shropshire Blue on December 18, 2017, 04:30:08 AM
I think everyone should stop whingeing.  Accept that players in every team dive, the fans of each club scream foul when one of their players falls over, scream dive when the other teams player falls over, demand a card for every foul the opposition commits, claim the ref is wrong and biased every time a foul is given against us and managers encourage players to dive.
The whole situation around this issue is brought on by the professionals themselves fully supported  by the fans of their clubs.
Now we want the refs to sort it all out, without making any mistakes. That would have to involve video technology and to be consistent virtually every decision  would need reviewing. It is possible but what do we end up with? American football by another name. 10 secs of action and 30 seconds of nothing.
Refs do their best,  they're human, they make mistakes and every player, manager and fan would con them at every opportunity to gain an advantage.
Leave the decisions to the officials and accept that a small minority will be wrong.
Slightly exaggerated to make a point but be careful what you wish for.
Title: Re: Successful Simulation
Post by: gizzblue on December 18, 2017, 05:25:15 AM
Phisser spot on that motd if your gonna get rid of diving ban the fucking lot of them for diving .
Title: Re: Successful Simulation
Post by: gizzblue on December 18, 2017, 05:26:27 AM
I think everyone should stop whingeing.  Accept that players in every team dive, the fans of each club scream foul when one of their players falls over, scream dive when the other teams player falls over, demand a card for every foul the opposition commits, claim the ref is wrong and biased every time a foul is given against us and managers encourage players to dive.
The whole situation around this issue is brought on by the professionals themselves fully supported  by the fans of their clubs.
Now we want the refs to sort it all out, without making any mistakes. That would have to involve video technology and to be consistent virtually every decision  would need reviewing. It is possible but what do we end up with? American football by another name. 10 secs of action and 30 seconds of nothing.
Refs do their best,  they're human, they make mistakes and every player, manager and fan would con them at every opportunity to gain an advantage.
Leave the decisions to the officials and accept that a small minority will be wrong.
Slightly exaggerated to make a point but be careful what you wish for.
Small minority 😅fuck off ...hahahahaha best shit ive heard all season .
If they got a small minorty right that would be something .
Title: Re: Successful Simulation
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on December 18, 2017, 05:27:31 AM
Discussing it on MOTD now, Neville supporting Niasse , shame he never did that 1 month ago,   said Niasse must be pissed off since he was baNNED and watching all these cases since and no one else been done,

like he said the rule is shite , everyone should be banned


got to feel for Oumar---
Title: Re: Successful Simulation
Post by: brap2 on December 18, 2017, 05:37:09 AM
They’ve deffo knocked it on the head because they realised what a pain in the arse it was going to be.

Seemed a mad one for them to do, Niasse - I didn’t even really think it was a dive, you get plenty more bang on dives in the course of the season.
Title: Re: Successful Simulation
Post by: TheRam on December 18, 2017, 05:43:45 AM
I'm going into full on kopite mode if I don't see a two game ban for Lanzini
Title: Re: Successful Simulation
Post by: oztoffee on December 18, 2017, 06:43:47 AM
its a fucking stupid rule. you only get done if you get the pen. it hasn´t stopped anyone from diving. i would love to see the introduction of the black card they have in gaelic footbal. i reckon it´d be the best rule introduced in soccer since the backpass got outlawed. it´s essentially a forced substitution. and if you´ve used all 3 subs already then tough, you have to play the rest of the game with 10 men. you could also give a black card for those cynical fouls where you ¨take one for team¨ when you pull someone back in order to stop a team on a break away. getting a yellow card does fuck all to stop them doing it. a black card would be more than a yellow but less than a red. well that´s my 2 cents anyway...
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Why not a yellow card gets you 15 mins in the sin bin immediately? Less than eight players is it and you forfeit the game? Can't remember, something like that.
Title: Re: Successful Simulation
Post by: Macca77 on December 18, 2017, 02:06:47 PM
Has Lanzini been charged yet?
Title: Re: Successful Simulation
Post by: brap2 on December 18, 2017, 02:13:34 PM
I'm going into full on kopite mode if I don't see a two game ban for Lanzini

Let’s buy him, he’s quality.
Title: Re: Successful Simulation
Post by: Confucius on December 18, 2017, 02:53:58 PM
 Feel for Niasse. He was playing well and scoring. The ban stopped his momentum and has had to start over again. Really unfair on the lad.
Title: Re: Successful Simulation
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on December 18, 2017, 04:33:12 PM
RE: Buying Lanzini, the Premier League are waiting til the end of Jan for us to buy him or not, to see if they will give him a 2 or 3 match ban.
Title: Re: Successful Simulation
Post by: BlueMaquis on December 18, 2017, 06:56:51 PM
Feel for Niasse. He was playing well and scoring. The ban stopped his momentum and has had to start over again. Really unfair on the lad.

We don't really know if it stopped his momentum, do we? He might come back and score several successive hat tricks.
Title: Re: Successful Simulation
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on December 18, 2017, 07:01:54 PM
Lanzini just charged
Title: Re: Successful Simulation
Post by: Gary1878 on December 18, 2017, 07:13:08 PM
The most stupid part about it is this. The referee can give a penalty, for which the player can then be retrospectively banned for diving. Yet, if Alli does an awful leg-breaking tackle on De Bruyne, and only gets a yellow, they can't retrospectively punish Alli further for something that is a lot worse for football.

Niasse supposedly diving gets him a 2 game ban, yet it would have taken De Bruyne's leg to break before the FA would have done anything.

Complete farce.

Title: Re: Successful Simulation
Post by: Bluedylan on December 18, 2017, 07:42:22 PM
I'm going into full on kopite mode if I don't see a two game ban for Lanzini

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42392410
Title: Re: Successful Simulation
Post by: ally2 on December 18, 2017, 07:46:33 PM
The fa are accountable to no one it seems. They just pick and choose what they want. So you can appeal, but to what? The same body who picked out your player in the first place?  Absolutely bizarre rule from top to bottom.
Title: Re: Successful Simulation
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 18, 2017, 09:53:28 PM
The fa are accountable to no one it seems. They just pick and choose what they want. So you can appeal, but to what? The same body who picked out your player in the first place?  Absolutely bizarre rule from top to bottom.

It's completely half arsed. Could control an entire game with diving so long as it's not a penalty or red card it's apparently unpunishable. Then on top of that it's really not evenhanded when it comes to them major incidents. Then to make it worse the only person who's been punished is 1 where's the ref still says it's a penalty. Is Niasse so good at diving the ref is still conned after a million replays. Sorry but if they are saying the ref is wrong after repeatedly seeing it in slow motion then he shouldn't be allowed to ref anymore

It's a complete jumbled up mess. Still we've got video refs coming in the cup but apparently not for our "too high profile" game. Don't want to get the high profile games right do we
Title: Re: Successful Simulation
Post by: Macca77 on December 19, 2017, 10:06:31 PM
Lanzini banned for 2 matches
Title: Re: Successful Simulation
Post by: everton1952 on December 19, 2017, 10:49:31 PM
Would they ever charge a player from a so-called "top club"? I doubt it.
Title: Re: Successful Simulation
Post by: UnsyisaRhino on December 19, 2017, 10:57:03 PM
What a load of shit that decisions is, the whole thing is poorly thought out and badly executed.
Title: Re: Successful Simulation
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on December 20, 2017, 03:42:19 AM
Gray just dived--Pen   1-1 -Ban coming
Title: Re: Successful Simulation
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on December 20, 2017, 04:54:17 AM
Gray just dived--Pen   1-1 -Ban coming

Does it also apply in cup competitions?
Title: Re: Successful Simulation
Post by: Major Clanger on December 20, 2017, 04:56:00 AM
Does it also apply in cup competitions?

They usually do.
Title: Re: Successful Simulation
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on December 20, 2017, 04:34:51 PM
Talksport debate Penalty Kicks the Scurge of Football,   Tony Cascarino  having a moan Everton have had 7 pens this season whilst other have had none,   Saying basically the Calvert Lewin pen was a dive as well   utter bellend,    Kenny's and lennon's questionable

why the fuck is Is Jim Whyte discussing this now---- saying does Lovren's push really make a grown man fall over






of course just to get calls
Title: Re: Successful Simulation
Post by: Macca77 on December 20, 2017, 04:45:55 PM
Talksport debate Penalty Kicks the Scurge of Football,   Tony Cascarino  having a moan Everton have had 7 pens this season whilst other have had none,   Saying basically the Calvert Lewin pen was a dive as well   utter bellend,    Kenny's and lennon's questionable

why the fuck is Is Jim Whyte discussing this now---- saying does Lovren's push really make a grown man fall over






of course just to get calls

Everpen ahaha
Title: Re: Successful Simulation
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 20, 2017, 05:29:58 PM
Talksport debate Penalty Kicks the Scurge of Football,   Tony Cascarino  having a moan Everton have had 7 pens this season whilst other have had none,   Saying basically the Calvert Lewin pen was a dive as well   utter bellend,    Kenny's and lennon's questionable

why the fuck is Is Jim Whyte discussing this now---- saying does Lovren's push really make a grown man fall over






of course just to get calls
Kennys was defo not a pen
Title: Re: Successful Simulation
Post by: BlueMaquis on December 20, 2017, 06:14:11 PM
why the fuck is Is Jim Whyte discussing this now---- saying does Lovren's push really make a grown man fall over

And what does this have to do with it being a penalty?
Title: Re: Successful Simulation
Post by: Thomas on December 21, 2017, 06:20:04 AM
No action against Gray

http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/11178923/gray-avoids-fa-action-for-dive
Title: Re: Successful Simulation
Post by: Macca77 on December 21, 2017, 05:55:03 PM
https://twitter.com/skysports_bryan/status/943805757157511168
Title: Re: Successful Simulation
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on December 21, 2017, 06:45:38 PM
Can't believe Gray got a way with it
Title: Re: Successful Simulation
Post by: gizzblue on December 21, 2017, 07:08:53 PM
The FA need to charge a top four player (there have been plenty of them dive) before this rule will be taken seriously .
Title: Re: Successful Simulation
Post by: blueToffee on December 23, 2017, 11:57:10 PM
So...Dele Alli going to get banned for that dive for the penalty? I'm guessing no.