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Title: Schneiderlin
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on December 19, 2017, 05:09:32 PM
Not sure what's happening with him lately.

If he's not happy, do we think it's time to move him on in January?

I'd personally prefer us to play 1 defensive midfielder, which would be Gueye. We've got Beningeme there for back up or to add to the team if we're setting up against really attacking sides.  We've also got Besic and McCarthy if we're desperate.

I don't think Schneiderlin would want to play second fiddle to Gueye, so I think a move back to France could be on in January or in the summer.
Title: Re: Schneiderlin
Post by: everton1952 on December 19, 2017, 05:15:18 PM
Do not know. Unlike some other cast offs from Man Utd he came with a good reputation. Once again if Sam and his team can find a role for him in the squad and he is happy to stay as a squad member then keep him. Just do not play him and Gueye together.
Title: Re: Schneiderlin
Post by: gizzblue on December 19, 2017, 05:18:24 PM
Been shite get rid ...it's that simple for me .
Title: Re: Schneiderlin
Post by: Lincs Toffee on December 19, 2017, 05:18:32 PM
I'm not arsed if he goes, as you say we have replacements ready to slot in and the when playing with Gueye we lose the energy of going forward, which is a shame really as he has good vision and a decent long pass on him. I just cant understand why the wheels have fallen off. However from the limited time in seeing Beningeme, he looks like he could mature and fill his boots if given game time. When we need to play 2 defensive mids, then short term and if fit McCarthy would be better, N'Zonzi would however be perfect.
Title: Re: Schneiderlin
Post by: GLewis on December 19, 2017, 05:21:15 PM
The problem when he and Gueye play together is that we ask Gueye to push forward which he isnít very good at.

This breaks the link between midfield and attack.

I thought he was ok last night but because of the above it all looked stodgy.

If they are to play together then Iíd like to see a bit of a switch of roles as that would allow Schneiderlin further forward and as heís more comfortable on the ball would have a passer further up the field.

Title: Re: Schneiderlin
Post by: Lxxx on December 19, 2017, 05:23:03 PM
I think quite a few people are looking at his early time with us through some kind of blue tinted specs. He only played 8 games before getting a calf injury and was in and out of the side after that till the end of the season. This season he's been shockingly bad. He's shown nothing for us that makes me think he's the future in the middle of the park and if we can get anywhere near what we paid for him I'd like to see him moved on.
Title: Re: Schneiderlin
Post by: Toddacelli on December 19, 2017, 05:25:12 PM
I think if people are writing this season off with shouts of 'leave DCL up front and let him develop rather than over-spending on January' then having Baningime in the side instead of Schneiderlin should also be considered.

If the manager can't get the best out of him - we could still get decent cash for the lad and realistically - have we looked any worse when we've had Baningime in the side instead of Schneiderlin? I don't think so really, apart from one poor game, maybe.
Title: Re: Schneiderlin
Post by: plumber on December 19, 2017, 05:41:36 PM
I don't think playing Gana deeper is a good idea. He has not enough brain and discipline for screening back 4. He's the best at what he's doing now -  playing a bit higher, pressing and harrasing opponents. We need a quality DM with a passing ability, sort of deep lying playmaker.  Funnily enough Morgan was exactly that sort of player in his first season, don't know what happened to him.

If he won't regain that form we need a new player, but Gana is not the answer. Not sure Baningime is at this stage but at least he is a proper DM.
Title: Re: Schneiderlin
Post by: GLewis on December 19, 2017, 05:55:51 PM
I don't think playing Gana deeper is a good idea. He has not enough brain and discipline for screening back 4. He's the best at what he's doing now -  playing a bit higher, pressing and harrasing opponents. We need a quality DM with a passing ability, sort of deep lying playmaker.  Funnily enough Morgan was exactly that sort of player in his first season, don't know what happened to him.

If he won't regain that form we need a new player, but Gana is not the answer. Not sure Baningime is at this stage but at least he is a proper DM.

I was initially of this opinion re Gueye sitting.

But it it might have been that he was never really instructed to sit; whereas SA you presume will insist on it.
Title: Re: Schneiderlin
Post by: van der Meyde on December 19, 2017, 06:01:40 PM
Agree that there's not enough offensively with both in there.

If we were to choose just one of them, you'd probably have to go with Gueye. I don't actually think there's much between them defensively. Schneiderlin was always up there for tackles/interceptions etc at Southampton aftersll. Any extra discipline Schneiderlin brings (and I've been impressed by a Gueye in this regard recently) is balanced by Gueye's added energy.

Offensively, Gueye is better at carrying it forward while Schneiderlin is a better passer. It's not much of a choice between them though. Gueye has at least tried to take responsibility for getting the ball forward while Schneiderlin has passed the buck on to someone else.

I think if Schneiderlin upped his game, we'd go back to last season where he'd play the 90 and Gueye would be taken off/on the bench a bit more. There's no sign of that happening any time soon though.
Title: Re: Schneiderlin
Post by: Macca77 on December 19, 2017, 06:03:09 PM
Get rid
Title: Re: Schneiderlin
Post by: BlueNoseMike on December 19, 2017, 06:36:57 PM
I'm still hoping for a turn around from him. He was an exceptional talent at Southampton and him and wanyama together were a force. So in theory him and gueye should work well.

I do agree playing both has at times meant we don't look like doing anything going forward.

However I don't think that necessarily means not playing one. I think a big issue in this regard has been the full backs. Up until recently we had holgate and Baines as full backs and neither attacked.  The point of playing with the 2 dms is to allow your full backs to bomb on and provide the attacking options. I'd be keeping morgs and getting in a LB who can contribute going forward as sadly Baines looks like he can't anymore. Legend that he is
Title: Re: Schneiderlin
Post by: Bluenose 91 on December 19, 2017, 06:50:37 PM
He's been Space Jammed.

There's some alien on Moron Mountain absolutely smashing it at centre mid.
Title: Re: Schneiderlin
Post by: Lxxx on December 19, 2017, 06:57:00 PM
At Southampton he was a lot younger and hungry to impress to earn a big move away. Now with two big money moves under his belt and a 6 figure weekly wage the hunger has gone and he looks very one-paced and strolls around the pitch as if he's made it.

You never see him sprint it's always a laboured jog, puts in half arsed tackles and plays easy balls. I suppose when you sign a player cast adrift from a big club you never know which one you'll get, one with a desire to prove he's still got it or one who feels as if he has reached a pinnacle and it's downhill from here on in. I think we have the latter.
Title: Re: Schneiderlin
Post by: ally2 on December 19, 2017, 07:39:08 PM
A player can drift out of form.

Just thought I'd mention it in case anyone had forgotten.
Title: Re: Schneiderlin
Post by: Lxxx on December 19, 2017, 07:56:08 PM
A player can drift out of form.

Just thought I'd mention it in case anyone had forgotten.

If you could highlight the last time he was in a run of great form in his career it'd help your point greatly.
Title: Re: Schneiderlin
Post by: brap2 on December 19, 2017, 08:01:08 PM
The problem when he and Gueye play together is that we ask Gueye to push forward which he isnít very good at.

This breaks the link between midfield and attack.

I thought he was ok last night but because of the above it all looked stodgy.

If they are to play together then Iíd like to see a bit of a switch of roles as that would allow Schneiderlin further forward and as heís more comfortable on the ball would have a passer further up the field.



Gueye seems to have a naturally more progressive way about him though, he does at least look for forward passes.

Schneiderlin Iíve gone right off, we need to replace with a passing DM ASAP. Carvalho or Nízonzi.
Title: Re: Schneiderlin
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on December 19, 2017, 08:03:09 PM
I don't think playing Gana deeper is a good idea. He has not enough brain and discipline for screening back 4. He's the best at what he's doing now -  playing a bit higher, pressing and harrasing opponents. We need a quality DM with a passing ability, sort of deep lying playmaker.  Funnily enough Morgan was exactly that sort of player in his first season, don't know what happened to him.

If he won't regain that form we need a new player, but Gana is not the answer. Not sure Baningime is at this stage but at least he is a proper DM.
Wasnít Morgan that kind of player at Southampton? I seem to remember him being like Xavi Alonso...see, I mentioned Xavi Alonso without using the term Ďquarterbackí.

Bollocks, I just used the term Ďquarterbackí.
Title: Re: Schneiderlin
Post by: Macca77 on December 22, 2017, 03:14:48 PM
http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11671/11180381/evertons-morgan-schneiderlin-trying-to-rebuid-relationship-with-clubs-fans
Title: Re: Schneiderlin
Post by: Jamokachi on December 22, 2017, 03:18:56 PM
I like him. Really want him to be a success here.
Title: Re: Schneiderlin
Post by: Thornton_19 on December 22, 2017, 03:19:26 PM
Ideally we need one DM who does both Gana and Schneiderlins jobs. I think that's were our midfield falls down to be honest.
Title: Re: Schneiderlin
Post by: Jamokachi on December 22, 2017, 03:22:50 PM
Ideally we need one DM who does both Gana and Schneiderlins jobs. I think that's were our midfield falls down to be honest.

Imagine splicing Gana's energy and Schneiderlin's quality on the ball. Yummy.
Title: Re: Schneiderlin
Post by: mikey_blue on December 22, 2017, 03:22:54 PM
I think the idea of him being a "Classy" midfielder have been incorrect. He's always been more of a ball winning Midfielder. Him and Gana tread on each others toes, but Gana is clearly the better player in that role.

If I remember correctly, Morgs had his best spell of football when Gana went to the AFCON.
Title: Re: Schneiderlin
Post by: Thornton_19 on December 22, 2017, 03:38:03 PM
Imagine splicing Gana's energy and Schneiderlin's quality on the ball. Yummy.
One of the many things that hinder us in the big games I feel.
Title: Re: Schneiderlin
Post by: brap2 on December 22, 2017, 03:46:11 PM
I think the idea of him being a "Classy" midfielder have been incorrect. He's always been more of a ball winning Midfielder. Him and Gana tread on each others toes, but Gana is clearly the better player in that role.

If I remember correctly, Morgs had his best spell of football when Gana went to the AFCON.

Might be something to it to be fair. His best football was at Southampton when he was regularly up there for interceptions and tackles. Not sure who he had around him but maybe he was very risk averse and quietly efficient in possession.
Title: Re: Schneiderlin
Post by: mikey_blue on December 22, 2017, 03:55:16 PM
Might be something to it to be fair. His best football was at Southampton when he was regularly up there for interceptions and tackles. Not sure who he had around him but maybe he was very risk averse and quietly efficient in possession.

And he's still capable of doing that. He just set the bar very high for himself, almost to the point where we thought he could be like a Fabregas type player, which he most certainly isn't. For me it's either him or Gana. Never both.
Title: Re: Schneiderlin
Post by: Audrey Horne on December 22, 2017, 04:13:04 PM
God he is sexy, and that accent .... *swoon*
Title: Re: Schneiderlin
Post by: brap2 on December 22, 2017, 04:40:09 PM
God he is sexy, and that accent .... *swoon*

Boooo
Title: Re: Schneiderlin
Post by: ally2 on December 22, 2017, 05:06:51 PM
Everyone has got really caught up in this idea that Gueye/Schneiderlein partnership doesn't work. It's been reinforced by repetition but I'm not cucumbers it's necessarily true. To get the best out of Schneiderlein requires better movement and options ahead of him. I've not seen him hiding in games but maybe others have. Anyway there's no dispute to be had - he's a class player, and there seems to be some sort of weird witch hunt thing going on around him which, again, is unhelpful.
Title: Re: Schneiderlin
Post by: Bluedylan on December 22, 2017, 05:09:32 PM
Everyone has got really caught up in this idea that Gueye/Schneiderlein partnership doesn't work. It's been reinforced by repetition but I'm not cucumbers it's necessarily true. To get the best out of Schneiderlein requires better movement and options ahead of him. I've not seen him hiding in games but maybe others have. Anyway there's no dispute to be had - he's a class player, and there seems to be some sort of weird witch hunt thing going on around him which, again, is unhelpful.

Nowt to say in response. Just wanted to preserve the typo before you got chance to edit ;)
Title: Re: Schneiderlin
Post by: ally2 on December 22, 2017, 05:11:24 PM
Haha
Title: Re: Schneiderlin
Post by: Jamokachi on December 22, 2017, 05:16:02 PM
I am cucumbers.
Title: Re: Schneiderlin
Post by: Gash on December 22, 2017, 05:20:25 PM
I was sitting for ages trying to figure out what it was rhyming slang for.
Title: Re: Schneiderlin
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on December 22, 2017, 05:21:11 PM
I can haz cucumber
Title: Re: Schneiderlin
Post by: Jamokachi on December 22, 2017, 05:22:46 PM
Ich bin ein cucumber.
Title: Re: Schneiderlin
Post by: Lxxx on December 22, 2017, 08:10:24 PM
The last time he was in form and played a significant run of games was coming up to three years ago when he was trying to earn a move away from Southampton, and was successful. I've yet to see any evidence we should be basing our midfield around him and for £24m he's not suited to a bit part role.
I don't think it's unreasonable to say he's playing for his future until the end of the season. If he steps up to the plate then great, if not then move him on and get someone else in who offers more to the team.
Title: Re: Schneiderlin
Post by: Bally on December 24, 2017, 08:22:23 PM
Everyone has got really caught up in this idea that Gueye/Schneiderlein partnership doesn't work. It's been reinforced by repetition but I'm not cucumbers it's necessarily true. To get the best out of Schneiderlein requires better movement and options ahead of him. I've not seen him hiding in games but maybe others have. Anyway there's no dispute to be had - he's a class player, and there seems to be some sort of weird witch hunt thing going on around him which, again, is unhelpful.
I'm not cucumbers either
Title: Re: Schneiderlin
Post by: School of Science on December 24, 2017, 08:39:55 PM
I was sitting for ages trying to figure out what it was rhyming slang for.
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Haha so was I.
Title: Re: Schneiderlin
Post by: blargins on December 24, 2017, 08:48:33 PM
I still am  :-\
Title: Re: Schneiderlin
Post by: gizzblue on December 24, 2017, 09:58:05 PM
Some say he's improving ...I can't see it ,maybe he is a victim of his own past performances and can't reach that again .
Maybe he wants out ....either way something needs to change imho....Benni and McCarthy are waiting .
Title: Re: Schneiderlin
Post by: Brownie20 on December 24, 2017, 11:24:58 PM
Some say he's improving ...I can't see it ,maybe he is a victim of his own past performances and can't reach that again .
Maybe he wants out ....either way something needs to change imho....Benni and McCarthy are waiting .

He was much better yesterday
Title: Re: Schneiderlin
Post by: arteta4spain on December 25, 2017, 02:57:33 AM
Some say he's improving ...I can't see it ,maybe he is a victim of his own past performances and can't reach that again .
Maybe he wants out ....either way something needs to change imho....Benni and McCarthy are waiting .
Benni McCarthy? Really?
Title: Re: Schneiderlin
Post by: blargins on December 25, 2017, 10:05:23 AM
Played best game of his season against Chelsea.

Needs to continue improving. Especially now Gana is out it may benefit him.
Title: Re: Schneiderlin
Post by: Lxxx on December 25, 2017, 05:07:21 PM
Some say he's improving ...I can't see it ,maybe he is a victim of his own past performances and can't reach that again .
Maybe he wants out ....either way something needs to change imho....Benni and McCarthy are waiting .

McCarthy? People are slagging Schneiderlin for gutless displays and offering nothing with the ball and then offer this complete shitehawk as a replacement?? Really?
Title: Re: Schneiderlin
Post by: bogie on December 25, 2017, 05:31:31 PM
McCarthy? People are slagging Schneiderlin for gutless displays and offering nothing with the ball and then offer this complete shitehawk as a replacement?? Really?

nothing wrong with McCarthy,s play his linkup play is better than both we are playing in there and his forward thinking might just be what we need in there at the min

I have not seen much of Benni as a forward thinking DM player just more of the same as the other 2 but nothing wrong with that
Title: Re: Schneiderlin
Post by: EVERTON 66 on December 25, 2017, 07:14:49 PM
Do not know. Unlike some other cast offs from Man Utd he came with a good reputation. Once again if Sam and his team can find a role for him in the squad and he is happy to stay as a squad member then keep him. Just do not play him and Gueye together.
My sentiments exactly he is still a good player n y can't we b like the other top teams n keep 2vgood players 4 every position makes sense. There will times suspensions n injuries  will amount so keeping him makes practical sense. As 4 the other midfielders besic should move on McCarthy is always injured Barclay doesn't intend staying n banigame is still raw!!!!
Title: Re: Schneiderlin
Post by: therealdunc on December 26, 2017, 03:36:12 PM
He is over rated

Looked good in an average Southampton team

Found out at Man United

Everton claim they want to be challenging with the likes of United, but that wonít be happening if we sign their cast offs and rejects

Time to get rid and move on
Title: Re: Schneiderlin
Post by: sam of the south on December 26, 2017, 03:51:47 PM
Je Suis Concombre 🥒✊🏼
Title: Re: Schneiderlin
Post by: Rodenplav64 on December 26, 2017, 05:11:19 PM
He is over rated

Looked good in an average Southampton team

Found out at Man United

Everton claim they want to be challenging with the likes of United, but that won’t be happening if we sign their cast offs and rejects

Time to get rid and move on

I am just glad City didn't mind signing Chelseas cast off in De Bruyne or us signing Chelseas cast off in Lukaku or Liverpool signing Chelseas cast off in Salah or ............................. ..... never mind I am sure their are cast offs the League over .
Title: Re: Schneiderlin
Post by: Lxxx on December 26, 2017, 05:29:46 PM
He is over rated

Looked good in an average Southampton team

Found out at Man United

Everton claim they want to be challenging with the likes of United, but that wonít be happening if we sign their cast offs and rejects

Time to get rid and move on

Lots of good players move on from big clubs when it hasn't worked out. The key is to work out whether you're signing a player hungry to prove them wrong or one that has lost that desire and feels that anything else but a big club is a step down. I think we've signed the latter whereas there are plenty of examples of the former. It all just brings sharply into focus the due diligence we do/have done on our recruitment.
Title: Re: Schneiderlin
Post by: Silas on December 26, 2017, 06:02:18 PM
Koeman really did a number on this team really. Remember when people were using terms like Rolls Royce for Schneiderlin?
Title: Re: Schneiderlin
Post by: therealdunc on December 26, 2017, 06:03:48 PM
I am just glad City didn't mind signing Chelseas cast off in De Bruyne or us signing Chelseas cast off in Lukaku or Liverpool signing Chelseas cast off in Salah or ............................. ..... never mind I am sure their are cast offs the League over .

All 3 examples when to other clubs and proved themselves

The end
Title: Re: Schneiderlin
Post by: Rodenplav64 on December 26, 2017, 06:11:46 PM
All 3 examples when to other clubs and proved themselves

The end

All 3 considered cast offs . The End .

By the way is our Manager a cast off ?
Title: Re: Schneiderlin
Post by: therealdunc on December 26, 2017, 06:17:39 PM
All proved themselves at other clubs before getting a big move
Title: Re: Schneiderlin
Post by: brap2 on December 26, 2017, 06:48:38 PM
Koeman really did a number on this team really. Remember when people were using terms like Rolls Royce for Schneiderlin?

The stats backed it up, he was playing extremely well. He is a talented player, that isnít up for debate imo.
Title: Re: Schneiderlin
Post by: Ross on December 26, 2017, 07:44:26 PM
Interestingly heís now played exactly the same amount of matches and minutes (bar 10 less) to last season with us and his defensive stats are better this season than last.

I doubt anyone would suggest heís playing better this season though.

Title: Re: Schneiderlin
Post by: blargins on December 26, 2017, 07:56:31 PM
All 3 examples when to other clubs and proved themselves

The end

All three players were quite young as well.

We normally buy Utd players when they're in their prime and not likely to get any better. In other words, their cast offs. Maybe only Howard was a player who improved when he came to us.
Title: Re: Schneiderlin
Post by: therealdunc on December 26, 2017, 09:34:39 PM
All three players were quite young as well.

We normally buy Utd players when they're in their prime and not likely to get any better. In other words, their cast offs. Maybe only Howard was a player who improved when he came to us.

Exactly

We had a long history under Moyes of buying United cast offs

We need to move on from buying their rubbish like Phil Neville and start competing with them for their transfer targets.
Likewise selling them our best player in the summer wonít help close the gap, but only increase it.
Title: Re: Schneiderlin
Post by: Lxxx on December 26, 2017, 09:58:38 PM
Exactly

We had a long history under Moyes of buying United cast offs

We need to move on from buying their rubbish like Phil Neville and start competing with them for their transfer targets.
Likewise selling them our best player in the summer won’t help close the gap, but only increase it.

Got no problem with selling clubs like Man U/City our best players for top money, as long as we have a recruitment strategy in place to spend it wisely and find the next gem.
Title: Re: Schneiderlin
Post by: Major Clanger on December 26, 2017, 11:47:33 PM
We need to move on from buying their rubbish like Phil Neville and start competing with them for their transfer targets.

How?
Title: Re: Schneiderlin
Post by: therealdunc on December 26, 2017, 11:56:18 PM
Money

The same way Chelsea and Man City closed the gap

Throw enough money and people pay attention
Title: Re: Schneiderlin
Post by: Lxxx on December 27, 2017, 12:40:22 AM
Money

The same way Chelsea and Man City closed the gap

Throw enough money and people pay attention

We will never be in the same market for players as Man U. Come on lad, get real.
Title: Re: Schneiderlin
Post by: therealdunc on December 27, 2017, 01:41:27 AM
We will never be in the same market for players as Man U. Come on lad, get real.

Thatís simply not true

United didnít use to be in our market

Football changes, teams emerge others decline

To say never is not correct

If our ambition is not to match the best and beat them, then there is no point in being best of the rest aka Kenwrightitus
Title: Re: Schneiderlin
Post by: Major Clanger on December 27, 2017, 01:54:51 AM
Thatís simply not true

United didnít use to be in our market

Football changes, teams emerge others decline

To say never is not correct

If our ambition is not to match the best and beat them, then there is no point in being best of the rest aka Kenwrightitus

Yes football changes, but never as a result of pretending reality doesn't exist.
Title: Re: Schneiderlin
Post by: mikey_blue on December 27, 2017, 01:58:24 AM
Money

The same way Chelsea and Man City closed the gap

Throw enough money and people pay attention

Moshiri doesn't have near the fortune that both of their chairman do.
Title: Re: Schneiderlin
Post by: therealdunc on December 27, 2017, 02:00:19 AM
Moshiri doesn't have near the fortune that both of their chairman do.

True enough
But usmanov does
Title: Re: Schneiderlin
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 27, 2017, 02:03:14 AM
True enough
But usmanov does
Who sponsors our training facilities
Title: Re: Schneiderlin
Post by: blueski on December 27, 2017, 11:34:36 PM
Gareth Barry seemed to underline what we've been missing in Schneiderlin yeseterday

So calm on the ball and always looking for a progressive forward pass. Can't see how or why he was allowed to leave without a like replacement. Schneids just wants to go sideways and back to the keeper all the time now.

Part of me wants to blame the players around him for being cowards and hiding from the ball at times but it seems to go deeper than that, he just doesn't have that vision, range and weight of passing we need, nor does Gana for that matter
Title: Re: Schneiderlin
Post by: gizzblue on December 27, 2017, 11:44:05 PM
Gareth Barry seemed to underline what we've been missing in Schneiderlin yeseterday

So calm on the ball and always looking for a progressive forward pass. Can't see how or why he was allowed to leave without a like replacement. Schneids just wants to go sideways and back to the keeper all the time now.

Part of me wants to blame the players around him for being cowards and hiding from the ball at times but it seems to go deeper than that, he just doesn't have that vision, range and weight of passing we need, nor does Gana for that matter
Gareth Barry being let go is one of the worst things RK did to us this year.
Title: Re: Schneiderlin
Post by: Ravardo on December 27, 2017, 11:45:14 PM
Gana's made double the passes and double the tackles more than schneiderlin  and he's also the has the highest pass accuracy 86% and the highest completed pass rate 86%
Title: Re: Schneiderlin
Post by: TheRam on December 27, 2017, 11:47:48 PM
He seems to think the only way to play progressive is to ping 60 yard diagonals. Anything else is sideways and backwards.

As has just been said, Barry uses the ball so much better without playing anything too difficult. He's all about picking the call up from the defence and playing those short, sharp passes to the midfielders infront of him to progress the attack.

Morgan is all about picking the ball up, putting his foot on the ball and playing it back to the person he's just received the ball off, or playing a telegraphed diagonal.

Title: Re: Schneiderlin
Post by: Lxxx on December 28, 2017, 06:14:05 AM
Gareth Barry seemed to underline what we've been missing in Schneiderlin yeseterday

So calm on the ball and always looking for a progressive forward pass. Can't see how or why he was allowed to leave without a like replacement. Schneids just wants to go sideways and back to the keeper all the time now.

Part of me wants to blame the players around him for being cowards and hiding from the ball at times but it seems to go deeper than that, he just doesn't have that vision, range and weight of passing we need, nor does Gana for that matter

Spot on. Barry just has it and Schneiderlin acts like he has it.
Title: Re: Schneiderlin
Post by: Goaljira on December 28, 2017, 12:57:44 PM
Barry also can't run and left massive holes in our midfield for younger mobile cms to run right through.

Barry leaving wasnt a bad thing.
Title: Re: Schneiderlin
Post by: bluenuck on December 28, 2017, 02:08:52 PM
Barry also can't run and left massive holes in our midfield for younger mobile cms to run right through.

Barry leaving wasnt a bad thing.

Thank you. Someone had to say it.

Seriously. Barry's past it. What's with all these Fukkin shouts?? Gimme a Fukkin break.

Title: Re: Schneiderlin
Post by: Lxxx on December 28, 2017, 02:41:18 PM
Neither Barry nor Schneiderlin is what we need but itís perfectly acceptable to compare the two.
Title: Re: Schneiderlin
Post by: gizzblue on December 28, 2017, 06:15:02 PM
Thank you. Someone had to say it.

Seriously. Barry's past it. What's with all these Fukkin shouts?? Gimme a Fukkin break.
Because his younger replacement with better legs (Schneids) has been so awful ,he would need to improve greatly to actually be shit .
Title: Re: Schneiderlin
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on December 31, 2017, 03:30:06 PM
Iím finally done with this lad, heís an absolute shithouse. Iím not one for binning off players, I just canít see him ever regaining form. Heís been shit for 3 managers now. So frustrating as he was one of the players I thought we could build a team around. Now is a liability, itís another step backward.
Title: Re: Schneiderlin
Post by: dekko on December 31, 2017, 03:42:15 PM
I can now say that he has been my biggest disappointment. Every game he plays now I want him to prove me wrong, but he doesnít.
Title: Re: Schneiderlin
Post by: brap2 on December 31, 2017, 03:57:15 PM
NíZonzi midfield base deeply needed

Sell Schneiderlin, McCarthy and Besic to whoever will have them and letís move on.

Iíd even rather have Beni as DM.
Title: Re: Schneiderlin
Post by: Bally on January 02, 2018, 02:39:06 AM
He's a fucking crab and can fuck right off massive #ElephCunt
Title: Re: Schneiderlin
Post by: ally2 on January 02, 2018, 03:12:40 AM
Was OK today and Bournemouth
Title: Re: Schneiderlin
Post by: charlatan on January 02, 2018, 03:17:03 AM
Looked like a rolls royce when he signed.  He's an utter coward.
Title: Re: Schneiderlin
Post by: TheRam on January 02, 2018, 03:17:40 AM
Thought he was probably our best player today that be fair.

Title: Re: Schneiderlin
Post by: Brownie20 on January 02, 2018, 03:22:53 AM
Thought he was probably our best player today that be fair.



Yeah, don't think he did too much wrong today. Vlasic had a go too when the ball found its way to him
Title: Re: Schneiderlin
Post by: benny on January 02, 2018, 03:23:21 AM
Thought he was probably our best player today that be fair.


                    best player but still shit
Title: Re: Schneiderlin
Post by: gizzblue on January 02, 2018, 03:46:09 AM
Vastly improved today for him but still lacking badly ...tracked back for the first goal but didn't even try to get involved .
Title: Re: Schneiderlin
Post by: therealdunc on January 02, 2018, 05:17:13 AM
Thought he was poor today, although that might have been due to Herrera and mata being far better players

Heís a united reserve reject for a reason

We will never challenge the likes of united if we sign their rejects for big money and put them on big wages