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Title: January Clear Out
Post by: dax78 on December 19, 2017, 07:31:43 PM
I think we have way too much dead wood at the club right now. If a major clear-out was carried out in January / summer it still would not in any way weaken the squad while freeing up a lot of wages.

Get Rid list:-
Stek
Not so super kev
Jags (we still have Williams, Holegate, Keane and Fumes)
McCarthy
Besic
Klassen (I know I know, is it to soon to judge. No, he wont cut it I'm afraid)
Sandro  (harsh?)

It just annoys me, that we have accumulated all these players, draining funds, and contributing the total sum of Fuck all to the club

Title: Re: January Clear Out
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on December 19, 2017, 07:33:56 PM
Maybe not Jags JUST yet, but I'd sack ALL of them off for a good, hungry, youngish 1 in 2 striker (+ his big wages and other temptations), like Aubameyang or the like.

Title: Re: January Clear Out
Post by: Macca77 on December 19, 2017, 07:37:40 PM
Put them all in the bin
Title: Re: January Clear Out
Post by: Django on December 19, 2017, 07:39:05 PM
Jags? Are you for real, he's still our best CB by far and would be playing now was it not for injury allowing the Holgate-Williams partnership to flourish. Fully expect him to be back in in the next few games.

I'd get rid of:
Besic
Mirallas
McCarthy
Sandro
Klaasen
Barkley

Title: Re: January Clear Out
Post by: dax78 on December 19, 2017, 07:39:37 PM
Put them all in the bin

Agreed.
How has it got to a place where we can sack off 7 first team squad members, without it having any impact on the first team.
Title: Re: January Clear Out
Post by: dax78 on December 19, 2017, 07:41:26 PM
Jags? Are you for real, he's still our best CB by far and would be playing now was it not for injury allowing the Holgate-Williams partnership to flourish. Fully expect him to be back in in the next few games.

I'd get rid of:
Besic
Mirallas
McCarthy
Sandro
Klaasen
Barkley



I just cant see Jags getting back in, legs and sad to say heart seem to have gone for me. Great servant to the club though
Title: Re: January Clear Out
Post by: Lxxx on December 19, 2017, 07:48:25 PM
We must have some wage bill at the minute.
Title: Re: January Clear Out
Post by: Waltzer on December 19, 2017, 07:52:46 PM
I think we have way too much dead wood at the club right now. If a major clear-out was carried out in January / summer it still would not in any way weaken the squad while freeing up a lot of wages.

Get Rid list:-
Stek
Not so super kev
Jags (we still have Williams, Holegate, Keane and Fumes)
McCarthy
Besic
Klassen (I know I know, is it to soon to judge. No, he wont cut it I'm afraid)
Sandro  (harsh?)

It just annoys me, that we have accumulated all these players, draining funds, and contributing the total sum of Fuck all to the club



Why get rid of Stek when Robles is out of contract in the summer and is leaving?

No real issues with Kev, McCarthy or Besic going though. Jags should stay as hes still better than most of those you listed, fair play to Sam hes keeping faith with the players and until they make a mistake it should be that way, however, if you started from scratch I suspect the 2 cbs would still be Jags and Keane?

Like to see Sandro and Klassen given a chance before discarding but you need to earn that right, if they are up for the fight then id be happy to keep them.

And every team accumulates these players, no transfer is ever without doubt, its part and parcel of the game. I also doubt the players like being in this situation, do you think Klassen or Sandro thought this would happen? They're all professionals with short careers, they wouldnt want to waste a year getting no game time, regardless of the money they're on.
Title: Re: January Clear Out
Post by: velimski on December 19, 2017, 08:38:35 PM
Loads, but Mirallas and Besic at the top of the pile.
Title: Re: January Clear Out
Post by: Macca77 on December 19, 2017, 08:47:09 PM
Add Niasse to that list
Title: Re: January Clear Out
Post by: Lxxx on December 19, 2017, 08:47:24 PM
No-one would pay actual money for Besic. Seriously what could either his agent or us point to that he has done in his time here to justify someone forking out for. A loan move would suit all parties to see if he actually has any talent or not.
Title: Re: January Clear Out
Post by: Django on December 19, 2017, 08:51:11 PM
I just cant see Jags getting back in, legs and sad to say heart seem to have gone for me. Great servant to the club though

Gotta disagree there pal, he's not quite done yet I don't think, still got the legs from what I can see. By all means have Holgate ahead of him and anyone else younger. But still has a lot to offer.
Title: Re: January Clear Out
Post by: BlueBeagle on December 19, 2017, 08:53:32 PM
No-one would pay actual money for Besic. Seriously what could either his agent or us point to that he has done in his time here to justify someone forking out for. A loan move would suit all parties to see if he actually has any talent or not.

Takled Bale once a few years ago on international duty.

Sum total of his last 4 years as a player.
Title: Re: January Clear Out
Post by: Lxxx on December 19, 2017, 08:53:53 PM
Pointless getting rid of Jags. He's an experienced guy to have around, can slot in when needed and is club captain. He can also still do the business when called upon.
Title: Re: January Clear Out
Post by: Django on December 19, 2017, 08:57:34 PM
Add Niasse to that list

Yep, let's rid ourselves of our second top scorer who's got by far the best mins to goals ratio in the squad
Title: Re: January Clear Out
Post by: velimski on December 19, 2017, 09:01:47 PM
Niasse can stay put until we bring in an upgrade.
Title: Re: January Clear Out
Post by: Macca77 on December 19, 2017, 09:02:15 PM
Yep, let's rid ourselves of our second top scorer who's got by far the best mins to goals ratio in the squad

Just the one bite, how very disapointing
Title: Re: January Clear Out
Post by: Gary1878 on December 19, 2017, 09:04:34 PM
I still think Sandro and Klaasen need more time to be judged, especially Klaasen. Once he gets up to speed with the Premier League, he might become a seriously good player.

We still need Jags without a doubt.

The rest are very expendable.
Title: Re: January Clear Out
Post by: D15TIN on December 19, 2017, 09:10:39 PM
Jagielka might want to go anyway as he won't be playing much now

Mirallas
Klaasen
id personally sell schneiderlin if we can replace
Besic
Stekelenburg (although we need a 2nd keeper and robles is leaving in the summer)
Sandro
Mccarthy - unless he starts taking his career seriously
Title: Re: January Clear Out
Post by: kramer0 on December 19, 2017, 09:49:09 PM
We can comfortably unload Besic and Mirallas, provided there are buyers.

We can afford to get rid of McCarthy too but (1) who's buying a player who hasn't been fit for the better part of two years?, and (2) I have a feeling that Allardyce will want a closer look (pending a return to fitness).

W/r/t Klaassen -- I think there are things he does well (movement off-the-ball, one-touch passing, finishing) but his approach is a little too passive. We seem to function best as a team when our more progressive midfielders are eager to get on the ball and drive us forward. Klaassen doesn't appear to fit that mold. Allardyce and Walsh have to make the call as to whether he's a long-term fit. My guess is probably not.

I'd prefer not to let Sandro go unless he's dead set on going back to Spain. I think he'll have opportunities in the second half of the season and it's worth giving him a chance to show what he can do. As sort of an aside -- was anyone else irritated last night when Lookman decided to have a wild shot instead of passing to Sandro, who had pulled wide to find space in the box? The game was settled but I still found it annoying. We'll never know if Sandro is any good unless we start getting him the ball in the right areas.

I'd only sell Schneiderlin if a good offer comes in. I think he'd look much better as a lone DM, where his only jobs are to mop up in front of the CBs and lay the ball off to simply to his teammates (with the odd switch of play thrown in). Gana has earned that DM role for now but suspensions and injuries are hard to predict so there's no harm in having solid cover. With that said, if someone makes a serious offer we'd be silly to turn it down.

Who knows what's happening with Barkley? He's an intriguing fit for one of the CM roles in a 4-1-4-1 (which seems to be our best approach) but there's so much uncertainty around his situation. I don't think there's any harm in keeping him around until the end of the season and trying to convince him to sign, provided we think he's a fit. I wouldn't be surprised if the board prefers to sell, though.

I wouldn't consider selling anyone else unless a genuine offer comes in for one of the backup goalkeepers (which is very, very unlikely).
Title: Re: January Clear Out
Post by: Fynci on December 19, 2017, 10:18:33 PM
We shot ourselves in the foot by getting rid of Barry, we would be doing the same if we got rid of Jags.

I'd sell Besic, McCarthy, Mirallas and Barkley, and likely loan out Sandro (he'll go eventually I'm sure).
Title: Re: January Clear Out
Post by: Alanvideo on December 19, 2017, 10:31:46 PM
Wonder if any of our shop-soiled players are on Moyes's shopping list ?
Title: Re: January Clear Out
Post by: Macca77 on December 19, 2017, 10:44:35 PM
Wonder if any of our shop-soiled players are on Moyes's shopping list ?

Mirallas deffo is, can see him going to West Ham for an undisclosed fee
Title: Re: January Clear Out
Post by: chang on December 19, 2017, 11:23:50 PM
I'd rather keep Jags until he retires gracefully than "get rid of him", he has done much for Everton in the last 10 years, and is still  a very good player IMO.
Title: Re: January Clear Out
Post by: Ross on December 19, 2017, 11:33:05 PM
Very easy saying “clear out ......” but there’s not many clubs capable of paying the sort of wages most of these players are on and the ones who can generally have players already on the books.
Title: Re: January Clear Out
Post by: van der Meyde on December 20, 2017, 12:08:28 AM
Very easy saying “clear out ......” but there’s not many clubs capable of paying the sort of wages most of these players are on and the ones who can generally have players already on the books.
Wonder how many players we can tempt Stoke and West Ham with. 👀
Title: Re: January Clear Out
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 20, 2017, 12:25:09 AM
Wonder how many players we can tempt Stoke and West Ham with.
Speaking of stoke, pulis is odds on to be next manager
Madness
Title: Re: January Clear Out
Post by: montanatoffeefan on December 20, 2017, 12:31:12 AM
Just the one bite, how very disapointing

LOL.
And it was more a nibble.

When I first read your post I was expecting a feeding frenzy...perhaps Niasse fatigue has set in.
Title: Re: January Clear Out
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on December 20, 2017, 12:45:23 AM
West Ham don't need anyone from us, playing well, good job we didn't meet them 2 games later.
Title: Re: January Clear Out
Post by: bluenuck on December 20, 2017, 01:25:00 AM
Besic
Mirallis
McCarthy
And Barkley if he wants off.

That's really it.

We have 5 games within 2 weeks coming up. Pretty sure Jags and Niasse are gonna have to play.
Title: Re: January Clear Out
Post by: Ross on December 20, 2017, 01:25:35 AM
Wonder how many players we can tempt Stoke and West Ham with. 👀

Not sure there’s anyone on that list who’d interest them or in turn be interested in joining them.

Title: Re: January Clear Out
Post by: bogie on December 20, 2017, 01:37:56 AM
I'd get rid of:
Besic
Mirallas
McCarthy
Niasse
Jags
Coco
send out on loan
Lookman
Sandro
Benny
Davy K

sign
left back with pace and left footed centerback so we can play 3/5 at the back when and if we need to
Charlie Austin (then look again in the summer)
Title: Re: January Clear Out
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 20, 2017, 01:38:40 AM
I'm expecting niasse, mirallas and Sandro to be departing in January, maybe loans tho
Title: Re: January Clear Out
Post by: gizzblue on December 20, 2017, 01:40:11 AM
Mirralas :deffo going
Scneiderlin :can fuck off
Lookman : loan
Besic: whatever
Martina: p45
Ross :already out the door wearing Delli Alli pj's.
Klassen: keeper☆
Sandro: keeper .☆

☆till the summer at least.
Title: Re: January Clear Out
Post by: Macca77 on December 20, 2017, 01:41:19 AM
I'm expecting niasse, mirallas and Sandro to be departing in January, maybe loans tho

Niasse to Brighton
Mirallas to West Ham
Sandro to Malaga or Valencia
Title: Re: January Clear Out
Post by: brap2 on December 20, 2017, 02:01:46 AM
Mirallas deffo is, can see him going to West Ham for an undisclosed fee

I consider arnie basically Mirallas 2.0 and an upgrade in almost every sense.

Weirdly Mirallas probably has he better goalscoring record.
Title: Re: January Clear Out
Post by: Danny on December 20, 2017, 02:56:44 AM
Not sure why anyone would sell Jagielka, we thought he was finished in the past but he was great in the end last season, Williams is worse than him but has been great under Allardyce so far, they both need replacing in the long term but that's a job for the summer.

Sandro will go on loan i've basically no doubt.
McCarthy Sold
Besic loaned
Mirallas sold
Barkley sold
Title: Re: January Clear Out
Post by: D15TIN on December 20, 2017, 03:18:53 AM
Not sure there’s anyone on that list who’d interest them or in turn be interested in joining them.


Mirallas could easily go to west ham I think, Moyes etc - they love that type of player - Arnautovic etc, players who think theyre great after 5 good performances per season
Title: Re: January Clear Out
Post by: indiantoffee1975 on December 20, 2017, 04:18:45 AM
I reckon Mirallas and Klaassen both move away on loan with view to permanent moves in the summer to european clubs.

There is never a mass clearout of players in one window and there certainly won't be in January
Title: Re: January Clear Out
Post by: BlueMaquis on December 20, 2017, 04:25:41 AM
As sort of an aside -- was anyone else irritated last night when Lookman decided to have a wild shot instead of passing to Sandro, who had pulled wide to find space in the box? The game was settled but I still found it annoying. We'll never know if Sandro is any good unless we start getting him the ball in the right areas.

Absolutely. I was annoyed at that.
Title: Re: January Clear Out
Post by: EVERTON 66 on December 20, 2017, 04:27:22 AM
I like jagielka but he is too old n needs to be playing so I feel he will move on. Mirallas is ok when he wants to be but upsets everyone when he doesn't turn up in matches so get rid. Robles is out of contract in summer so will leave so keeping stek for now makes sense. Schneiderlin is ok but only as a back up to  Gana .klaasen can stay 4 now.
Title: Re: January Clear Out
Post by: everton1952 on December 20, 2017, 04:35:09 AM
Echo article "Everton boss Sam Allardyce reveals behind-closed-doors friendly to give struggling stars a chance" and "Tuesday afternoon saw Everton's fringe players given the chance to impress Sam Allardyce in a behind closed doors game. With the January transfer window looming it was a great chance for those players on the periphery of the first-team".

I appreciate he has a hell of a job trying to assess so many fringe players before the window, but this indoor game is mates against mates and can hardly replicate a proper match. Suppose he has to try something and in the absence of competitive games this is better than nothing. I wonder if Mirallas figured in the game?
Title: Re: January Clear Out
Post by: Brownie on December 20, 2017, 04:42:37 AM
Echo article "Everton boss Sam Allardyce reveals behind-closed-doors friendly to give struggling stars a chance" and "Tuesday afternoon saw Everton's fringe players given the chance to impress Sam Allardyce in a behind closed doors game. With the January transfer window looming it was a great chance for those players on the periphery of the first-team".

I appreciate he has a hell of a job trying to assess so many fringe players before the window, but this indoor game is mates against mates and can hardly replicate a proper match. Suppose he has to try something and in the absence of competitive games this is better than nothing. I wonder if Mirallas figured in the game?


At the risk of being compared to a bumbling old character from a much loved BBC sitcom by another poster on here, having played in a number of 'probables v possibiles' matches theses can be quite full bloodied affairs. Every player worth his salt wants to be playing. If the opportunity presents itself in a situation like this they have to take it
Title: Re: January Clear Out
Post by: Confucius on December 20, 2017, 04:47:40 AM
At the risk of being compared to a bumbling old character from a much loved BBC sitcom by another poster on here, having played in a number of 'probables v possibiles' matches theses can be quite full bloodied affairs. Every player worth his salt wants to be playing. If the opportunity presents itself in a situation like this they have to take it


Yeah I agree. These are not very friendly especially when you playing for your career.
Title: Re: January Clear Out
Post by: Brownie on December 20, 2017, 04:48:30 AM

Yeah I agree. These are not very friendly especially when you playing for your career.

That is my experience (hope I'm not boring you)
Title: Re: January Clear Out
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on December 20, 2017, 04:48:58 AM
Klaassen will be 2 footing all the other number 10s
Title: Re: January Clear Out
Post by: blueski on December 20, 2017, 04:56:40 AM
I'd prefer not to let Sandro go unless he's dead set on going back to Spain. I think he'll have opportunities in the second half of the season and it's worth giving him a chance to show what he can do. As sort of an aside -- was anyone else irritated last night when Lookman decided to have a wild shot instead of passing to Sandro, who had pulled wide to find space in the box? The game was settled but I still found it annoying. We'll never know if Sandro is any good unless we start getting him the ball in the right areas.
stood out for me also - could have been a nice piece of play had Lookman tapped it right back to him - thought it was greedy as fuck

lookman trying to take a low percentage shot robbing Sandro of what might have been a very Barca like action capped off by a shot on target or more


Title: Re: January Clear Out
Post by: Confucius on December 20, 2017, 04:57:41 AM
That is my experience (hope I'm not boring you)

You bored me long ago so don't worry!
Title: Re: January Clear Out
Post by: Brownie on December 20, 2017, 04:58:49 AM
You bored me long ago so don't worry!

That's ok then
Title: Re: January Clear Out
Post by: Confucius on December 20, 2017, 05:13:56 AM
That's ok then

Love you Brown Bear.
Title: Re: January Clear Out
Post by: Brownie on December 20, 2017, 05:26:00 AM
Love you Brown Bear.

Ditto
Title: Re: January Clear Out
Post by: Tony Clifton on December 20, 2017, 05:29:48 AM
I hope Mirallas, Schneiderlin, Basic, and McCarthy are already on the window ledge and ready to go out the window as soon as it opens.
Title: Re: January Clear Out
Post by: Mac934 on December 20, 2017, 01:21:50 PM
Bet we couldn't give some of them away. Who would want Sick note McCarthy on their payroll!?
Title: Re: January Clear Out
Post by: Macca77 on December 20, 2017, 01:28:14 PM
Bet we couldn't give some of them away. Who would want Sick note McCarthy on their payroll!?

Newcastle
Title: Re: January Clear Out
Post by: Escla on December 20, 2017, 03:12:04 PM
Bet we couldn't give some of them away. Who would want Sick note McCarthy on their payroll!?

Think he's just stolen Kones record for stealing a wage whilst playing dead.
Title: Re: January Clear Out
Post by: Hawkandro on December 20, 2017, 06:24:09 PM
Klaassen will be 2 footing all the other number 10s

Christ, he must have been knackered by the end.
Title: Re: January Clear Out
Post by: Lxxx on December 20, 2017, 06:35:57 PM
There's a decent few quid to be made by clearing out about half a dozen players who aren't needed. I don't think all will go in January most will leave in the summer but it's all money in the kitty to buy the 3-4 we need in the summer.
Title: Re: January Clear Out
Post by: Mick 1995 on December 20, 2017, 07:32:40 PM
Didn't allardyce say we had a squad of 32 and he wants one of 25 recently?
Said he wouldn't be bringing anybody in until the squad was in a leaner position.

Doesn't mean 7 sales - he clarified that demoting/loaning out some of the large number of kids we have in our 1st team squad was 'Plan A'.

So the following fall under the 'kids' category:
Davies
Holgate
DCL
Kenny
Lookman
Garbutt
Baningime
Tarashaj

1st 4 i reckon are safe. Latter 4 will be farmed out/demoted for 6 months.
So i reckon there are 3 actual sales on the horizon. Barkley is obviously one.
Mirallas 2 and Sandro 3?

Bring in the left back & striker he has mentioned and our squad is up to 27. which, due to injuries, isn't unwieldy
Title: Re: January Clear Out
Post by: Hawkandro on December 20, 2017, 08:11:07 PM
Reckon Tarashaj will be sold. Time is up for Garbutt too, surely? If he was going to make it with us, it would have been now, when we are playing a RB at LB.
Title: Re: January Clear Out
Post by: Lxxx on December 20, 2017, 08:12:12 PM
Reckon Tarashaj will be sold. Time is up for Garbutt too, surely? If he was going to make it with us, it would have been now, when we are playing a RB at LB.

For the millionth time it wouldn't matter if he was the dogs bollocks, he wasn't registered for either Premier League or Europe so he can't play even if we wanted him to.
Title: Re: January Clear Out
Post by: BlueBeagle on December 20, 2017, 08:20:38 PM
Bet we couldn't give some of them away. Who would want Sick note McCarthy on their payroll!?

Sunderland took Oviedo and Gibson
Title: Re: January Clear Out
Post by: Mac934 on December 20, 2017, 11:02:32 PM
Sunderland took Oviedo and Gibson
so, going on that tack, Sunderland... Moyes. Therefore I hope McCarthy goes to West Ham and takes Mirallas with him. Gets two large wages of the books. Good old Davey, still looking after the Everton coffers.
Title: Re: January Clear Out
Post by: Ell Capitan on December 20, 2017, 11:20:35 PM
We must have some wage bill at the minute.

We're used to having a much smaller squad so it's certainly a change. That said, with all the new TV money, the increases will still be in proportion to what we can afford and to what many other clubs spend relative to their income.
Title: Re: January Clear Out
Post by: Alanvideo on December 20, 2017, 11:24:15 PM
Sunderland took Oviedo and Gibson
....................Moyes took them off our hands plus brought in 3 more crocks Pienaar ,Anichebe and Lescott to keep Rodwell company. I doubt he'll make the same mistakes again .   :snigger:
Title: Re: January Clear Out
Post by: D15TIN on December 20, 2017, 11:36:55 PM
....................Moyes took them off our hands plus brought in 3 more crocks Pienaar ,Anichebe and Lescott to keep Rodwell company. I doubt he'll make the same mistakes again .   :snigger:
He definitely could take Mirallas, wouldn't be surprised at all at that
Title: Re: January Clear Out
Post by: bogie on December 20, 2017, 11:53:45 PM
Reckon Tarashaj will be sold. Time is up for Garbutt too, surely? If he was going to make it with us, it would have been now, when we are playing a RB at LB.

I don't think Garbutt was able to play (koeman fucked up again ) not in the prem list of 25 over 24 years old
Title: Re: January Clear Out
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on December 20, 2017, 11:59:32 PM
I don't think Garbutt was able to play (koeman fucked up again ) not in the prem list of 25 over 24 years old

Shows how much down the pecking order he is when even Gethin Jones and Sam Byrne are registered in that 25.
Title: Re: January Clear Out
Post by: BlueForYou on December 21, 2017, 12:12:24 AM
Only one person to blame for being fucked up - the player(Garbutt) himself
Title: Re: January Clear Out
Post by: BlueBeagle on December 21, 2017, 12:21:24 AM
Who's to say it's Garbutts fault he isn't a top level player?

Plenty of examples of promising young players not being good enough once they make it to senior level.
Title: Re: January Clear Out
Post by: BlueForYou on December 21, 2017, 12:25:09 AM
Any Premier League sides in for him?
Title: Re: January Clear Out
Post by: blue1948 on December 21, 2017, 01:14:31 AM
I still think Sandro and Klaasen need more time to be judged, especially Klaasen. Once he gets up to speed with the Premier League, he might become a seriously good player.

We still need Jags without a doubt.

The rest are very expendable.
You are either expendable or not ,you cannot be very expendable or a little bit expendable!
Title: Re: January Clear Out
Post by: bogie on December 21, 2017, 01:56:52 AM
Shows how much down the pecking order he is when even Gethin Jones and Sam Byrne are registered in that 25.

there free mate under 24 years old don't need to be registered
Title: Re: January Clear Out
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on December 21, 2017, 02:23:16 AM
there free mate under 24 years old don't need to be registered

On the FA website they've actually been registered.

From what the FA website says anyone under 21 doesn't have to be registered.

Lookman, Davies, Vlasic and Kenny are all not registered, whereas the other 2 lads are actually part of the 25.

https://www.premierleague.com/news/465277
Title: Re: January Clear Out
Post by: bogie on December 21, 2017, 02:32:44 AM
On the FA website they've actually been registered.

From what the FA website says anyone under 21 doesn't have to be registered.

Lookman, Davies, Vlasic and Kenny are all not registered, whereas the other 2 lads are actually part of the 25.

https://www.premierleague.com/news/465277

I was sure it was under 24 lol even bigger fuck up by Koeman then

he is getting game time in the under 23 team
http://www.transfermarkt.com/luke-garbutt/profil/spieler/110860
12 game 2 goals 1 ast