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Title: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Gash on December 20, 2017, 01:44:58 AM
First big test of Allardyce's reign (Liverpool doesn't count ;) ) I can see it being a similar game to Anfield.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 20, 2017, 01:51:17 AM
Hate 1230 kick offs
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: brap2 on December 20, 2017, 02:02:15 AM
Hate 1230 kick offs

Good for an upset tho.
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Post by: MIG on December 20, 2017, 02:05:08 AM
First big test of Allardyce's reign (Liverpool doesn't count ;) ) I can see it being a similar game to Anfield.
Will happily take a similar result.
Important to try and keep the unbeaten run going as long as possible.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Sir Stealth on December 20, 2017, 02:09:07 AM
Yeah a draw would be ok here to be fair, but a win would be nice. Given how off his game Schneiderlin is I would prefer that he didnít start

               Pickford

Kenny Holgate Williams Martina

        Davies Rooney Gana

Lennon.                         Sigurdsson

              Calvert-Lewin

This is probably the most logical team to play
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 20, 2017, 02:27:56 AM
Team picks itself at the minute
Start schneiderlin and bring Davies on if it's going tits up
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Macca77 on December 20, 2017, 02:29:24 AM
Long ball shit wont work against these
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 20, 2017, 02:47:39 AM
Long ball shit wont work against these
We certainly aren't gonna play them off the park tho

High tempo and massive snidery.
Defendike your life's on the line and take any chances we get
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Confucius on December 20, 2017, 02:51:53 AM
At home again? Seems like we never play away anymore
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: D15TIN on December 20, 2017, 03:15:31 AM
-----------Pickford
Kenny Holgate Williams Martina
----------Davies Gana
Lennon----Rooney ---Sigurdsson
---------Calvert-Lewin


Robles Jagielka Keane Lookman Vlasic Bolasie Niasse
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: bogie on December 20, 2017, 03:29:28 AM
Hate 1230 kick offs

same but not this time they play tomorrow night and might see that cup as something to win this year
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: bogie on December 20, 2017, 03:31:39 AM
-----------Pickford
Kenny Holgate Williams Martina
----------Davies Gana
Lennon----Rooney ---Sigurdsson
---------Calvert-Lewin


Robles Jagielka Keane Lookman Vlasic Bolasie Niasse

think Davies is wasted that deep put him up next to Rooney
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Lxxx on December 20, 2017, 03:32:52 AM
think Davies is wasted that deep put him up next to Rooney

You do know weíre playing Chelsea right?
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: terrydarracotsbaldpate on December 20, 2017, 03:33:12 AM
I think the key has been consistency in selection and Sam will make minimal changes
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: bogie on December 20, 2017, 03:34:17 AM
You do know we’re playing Chelsea right?

4 1 4 1 did west ham not beat them playing this way ?
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: D15TIN on December 20, 2017, 03:45:52 AM
think Davies is wasted that deep put him up next to Rooney
Whichevs, just so long as schneiderlin doesn't start
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: everton1952 on December 20, 2017, 03:47:58 AM
Hopefully they will have an off day otherwise we can expect a pasting, hopefully without them scoring many or any. A draw would be a massive plus for Big Sam considering the lack of time he has had here and none of the long term injured back.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: TheRam on December 20, 2017, 04:07:09 AM
Hate 1230 kick offs

Thought we were the late one and had a good old fashioned pre Crimbo ale sesh planned round the game.

That's fucked now.b
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: blueski on December 20, 2017, 07:16:34 AM
maybe dust off beningame for this one?
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: bluenuck on December 20, 2017, 08:53:11 AM
Hate 1230 kick offs

look on the bright side. Its 430am for me.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: bluenuck on December 20, 2017, 08:54:43 AM
Thought we were the late one and had a good old fashioned pre Crimbo ale sesh planned round the game.

That's fucked now.b

Oh cmon. You can still give it a go at 1230. Perfectly acceptable.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: hamshank33 on December 20, 2017, 01:14:51 PM
Long ball shit wont work against these
I think the key has been consistency in selection and Sam will make minimal changes
we have consistently been lucky and playing shit teams if we play the way we have, especially Monday we will get beaten and badly. We HAVE to be more attack minded when we have the ball. If we try to sit deep all game with no real out let they will score. Just hope he saw something last night that makes him change something at least
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Mac934 on December 20, 2017, 01:19:00 PM
I fear for Martina in this one. Unfortunately no one to replace him.
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Post by: Ramjam on December 20, 2017, 01:33:19 PM
I fear for Martina in this one. Unfortunately no one to replace him.

Yep I agree, Pedro will tear him a new one.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Shogun on December 20, 2017, 02:47:10 PM
His Guardian Gylfi will protect him
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: brap2 on December 20, 2017, 03:18:53 PM
I think we will be beaten soundly here, I expect a very very deep back line and lots of hopeless balls up the pitch that are comfortably collected by their defence.

Itís bit going to be pretty OR effective I donít think but meh, it is what it is. Feel like weíre building from the ground up again so not looking to challenge this type of team just yet.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Dr. Sponge on December 20, 2017, 03:26:20 PM
Yeah, I expect a defeat here too. Their form is very good over the last 10 or so games.

We can't even mix things up a bit to surprise them. The best we can hope for is being a goal down with 10 minutes to play, throw Steve Watson up top and go for it.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: ally2 on December 20, 2017, 05:54:17 PM
Happy to destroy this game for a 0-0 and maybe see some Sigurdsson magic.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Alanvideo on December 20, 2017, 06:07:23 PM
We got a draw at the home of  ' The Best Attack In The World ' so why fear Chelsea ?
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Tony Clifton on December 20, 2017, 06:18:08 PM
We're going to bum these 0-0.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Macca77 on December 20, 2017, 06:19:42 PM
I don't fear Chelsea
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: gizzblue on December 20, 2017, 06:21:27 PM
We got this ....the time for miracles. ..Dom hatrick 😅...and a clean sheet ...even Martina will turn up .
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Lxxx on December 20, 2017, 06:34:07 PM
My fear is a combination of Moses and Willian up against Cuco might be our undoing. Sig tries to help out when he finds himself out left but he drifts inside and will have to be disciplined to stop that side being over-ran.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Macca77 on December 20, 2017, 06:37:37 PM
My fear is a combination of Moses and Willian up against Cuco might be our undoing. Sig tries to help out when he finds himself out left but he drifts inside and will have to be disciplined to stop that side being over-ran.

There's nothing to fear but fear itself
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Lxxx on December 20, 2017, 06:38:56 PM
There's nothing to fear but fear itself

Very presidential.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Alanvideo on December 20, 2017, 06:55:31 PM
I don't fear Chelsea
............didn't we used to say ' sin miedo ' when we were managed by Roberto ?
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Macca77 on December 20, 2017, 06:57:13 PM
Very presidential.

There's no fate but what we make for ourselves
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: NomadskiEFC on December 20, 2017, 07:26:24 PM
I don't think Chelsea are playing particularly brilliantly. They certainly aren't Citeh.

Don't expect a win, but reckon we will grab a score draw from them.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: D15TIN on December 20, 2017, 09:04:06 PM
I don't think Chelsea are playing particularly brilliantly. They certainly aren't Citeh.

Don't expect a win, but reckon we will grab a score draw from them.
With our home record in 2017 we should be looking to win the game, as you say they arnt as strong as city or united this season, this is winnable if were strong at the back
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on December 20, 2017, 09:52:25 PM
Unfortunately I can't see us winning this, I think they'll have too much for us and we'll end up getting beat 0-1
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: mikey_blue on December 20, 2017, 11:58:52 PM
Time for Hazards bi-annual game of the season.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: blue slug on December 21, 2017, 01:42:21 AM
If we play like we did against the shite we wonít fair very well
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Ross on December 21, 2017, 02:02:57 AM
We got this ....the time for miracles. ..Dom hatrick 😅...and a clean sheet ...even Martina will turn up .

If this happens I can see the headline....

Domakestricks...heís the one and only Dominator
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: D15TIN on December 21, 2017, 02:36:36 AM
Forgot they were playing tonight, probably only 3/4 of the starting XI here will feature like
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: D15TIN on December 21, 2017, 04:02:16 AM
Morata suspended for saturday :D :D
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Jamokachi on December 21, 2017, 04:25:43 AM
even Martina will turn up

He's been playing well of late, out of position at that. For someone so far up Niasse's arse I'd have expected some slack to be cut.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Thornton_19 on December 21, 2017, 06:10:30 AM
Morata suspended for saturday :D :D
Will help us be able to sit deep against these.
They lack aerial threat up front without him. Think this is a big loss for them against how we will set up.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Goaljira on December 21, 2017, 12:04:55 PM
Morata getting booked for putting the ball under his shirt to celebrate his wife being pregnant is ridiculous.  And to make it even stranger we get to benefit from it.

All these pens, players being suspended against us - these are things that usually go for Liverpool, not us.  Maybe Sammy Lee still had the devils number in his phone, and Big Sam has dropped him off a big brown envelope full of Moshiri's cash.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: blargins on December 21, 2017, 01:27:43 PM
Morata getting booked for putting the ball under his shirt to celebrate his wife being pregnant is ridiculous.  And to make it even stranger we get to benefit from it.

All these pens, players being suspended against us - these are things that usually go for Liverpool, not us.  Maybe Sammy Lee still had the devils number in his phone, and Big Sam has dropped him off a big brown envelope full of Moshiri's cash.
I couldnít believe he got booked for that. Refs arenít human at times.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: brap2 on December 21, 2017, 01:48:04 PM
Yeah bang on the baby celebration thing. Did he run into the crowd or anything?

Iíll take it like, I rate him and itís a pain in the arse for them.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on December 21, 2017, 06:13:06 PM
Glad Morata is out. Much less of a threat without him, although they obviously still have loads of other talent.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Macca77 on December 21, 2017, 06:40:54 PM
Played this game on FIFA last night, we won 2-1 after going a goal behind, Alonso with another worldy free kick for them, we hung on and got to half time, second half we battered them, Rooney equalized with a shot from 20 yards which took a deflection of Cahill, Niasse got the winner in the last minute.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: mikey_blue on December 21, 2017, 08:20:21 PM
Morata out, insert striker who has never scored a goal for Chelsea who will obviously score against Everton.
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Post by: gizzblue on December 21, 2017, 08:27:08 PM
He's been playing well of late, out of position at that. For someone so far up Niasse's arse I'd have expected some slack to be cut.
What the fuck it has to do with you what players I like or dis like ...
Up Niasses arse made me giggle though what are you a fucking 7 year old 😅😅.

What's next my dad's bigger than your dad  😅😅.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: bacon sarnie on December 21, 2017, 08:59:25 PM
Morata out, insert striker who has never scored a goal for Chelsea who will obviously score against Everton.

Now you've done it!
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: D15TIN on December 21, 2017, 09:38:27 PM
They'll play hazard as the 9, or false 9 - they did that last time morata was unavailable.

Probably be:

Pedro Hazard Willian
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: brap2 on December 21, 2017, 11:55:17 PM
They'll play hazard as the 9, or false 9 - they did that last time morata was unavailable.

Probably be:

Pedro Hazard Willian

Will smash the arse off us imo
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on December 22, 2017, 12:20:14 AM
Too soon to be worrying about performances against the top teams. Iíd take a draw and couldnít give a shit if we play well. That can come later.
Good acid test this one.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: gizzblue on December 22, 2017, 12:53:32 AM
Not as free scoring as the Shite were before our trip to Analfield ....so I rekon we could well do the same ,frustrate and Nick something. 👍

Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: D15TIN on December 22, 2017, 01:25:39 AM
Few quite negative on here - our home record this last 12 months shows were more than capable of beating these
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: indiantoffee1975 on December 22, 2017, 01:26:27 AM
Conte said Batshuayi will start.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on December 22, 2017, 01:33:06 AM
Glad Morata's not on but still a big test. Hope we have a go at the furry cunts.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Thornton_19 on December 22, 2017, 03:17:28 PM
Glad Morata's not on but still a big test. Hope we have a go at the furry cunts.
Furry?
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: mikey_blue on December 22, 2017, 04:32:11 PM
Conte said Batshuayi will start.

He's not been as effective as a starter for Chelsea, mainly a threat as a super sub. Hopefully Williams and Holgate can contain him. It's the other 3 who scare me though.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: brap2 on December 22, 2017, 04:53:26 PM
Donít think heíll start bats, think it will be hazard false 9
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Ramjam on December 22, 2017, 04:58:35 PM
Don't think he'll start bats, think it will be hazard false 9

This false 9 thing kills me, what the fuck is a false 9 or what does it mean?
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: plumber on December 22, 2017, 05:12:33 PM
This false 9 thing kills me, what the fuck is a false 9 or what does it mean?

It's like a real 9, but false.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Jamokachi on December 22, 2017, 05:19:51 PM
It's a 9, but not really.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: blargins on December 22, 2017, 06:11:34 PM
It's a fake position.
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Post by: Bluedylan on December 22, 2017, 06:17:53 PM
This false 9 thing kills me, what the fuck is a false 9 or what does it mean?

Not that complicated mate. A traditional number 9 leads the line, a false 9 drops deep and roams, giving the CB the dilemma whether to stay and mark no-one or go with him and potentially have a disjointed formation.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Macca77 on December 22, 2017, 06:23:18 PM
How long will it be before a team plays a false number 1, a goalkeeper that's free to roam whereever
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: blargins on December 22, 2017, 06:32:28 PM
How long will it be before a team plays a false number 1, a goalkeeper that's free to roam whereever

We did it with Paul Gerard.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Bluedylan on December 22, 2017, 06:33:16 PM
How long will it be before a team plays a false number 1, a goalkeeper that's free to roam whereever

Seen Ederson play? Better on the ball than some of our midfielders.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Macca77 on December 22, 2017, 06:45:29 PM
Seen Ederson play? Better on the ball than some of our midfielders.

Scariest looking goalkeeper I've ever seen that fella
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: TheRam on December 22, 2017, 06:47:11 PM
Love a bit of false 9 action.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Macca77 on December 22, 2017, 07:49:40 PM
Just leave this in here

https://twitter.com/NevilleSouthall/status/944161571756003334
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: TSGun on December 22, 2017, 07:50:49 PM
How long will it be before a team plays a false number 1, a goalkeeper that's free to roam whereever
Surely Rene Higuita is your man.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: BlueForYou on December 22, 2017, 09:32:22 PM
Happy Christmas to you, Neville!

Pleased that you played for us and proud to have supported you

COYB in 2018!

Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on December 22, 2017, 11:42:34 PM
Chelsea fans warming up for tommora, they're in confident mood too.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Confucius on December 23, 2017, 01:40:09 AM
Damn Sky and Everton. Kick off 6.30am my time. But its the firs time in 3 months my kids are having a sleep over at the grandmother's. So essentially. I can sleep in for the first time in forever. But no, I will be wake by 6.15 checking NSNO and BBC sport and getting ready for the game. Only for Everton to lose 3 or 4-0 and make the whole thing pointless.0
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: irishtoffee on December 23, 2017, 03:35:52 AM
Damn Sky and Everton. Kick off 6.30am my time. But its the firs time in 3 months my kids are having a sleep over at the grandmother's. So essentially. I can sleep in for the first time in forever. But no, I will be wake by 6.15 checking NSNO and BBC sport and getting ready for the game. Only for Everton to lose 3 or 4-0 and make the whole thing pointless.0
Switch to el Classico if it's that bad
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Heisenberg on December 23, 2017, 04:35:57 AM
Up the blues!
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: therealdunc on December 23, 2017, 05:04:22 AM
Real tough game, arguably the hardest we will face until end of Jan.

They can mix it up and have individual brilliance, we are also going to need some of our more talented players to shine.

I donít think aiming for DCL with direct balls will have much joy tomorrow, could be a game for Niasse or Sandro
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Django on December 23, 2017, 05:14:59 AM
No Holgate, Williams or Rooney tomorrow.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Django on December 23, 2017, 05:24:21 AM
All injuries apparently
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on December 23, 2017, 05:27:11 AM
No Holgate, Williams or Rooney tomorrow.

The like was for your ever reliable info, not for them being injured.

Proper shit as then 3 have probably been our best players recently.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: sam of the south on December 23, 2017, 05:34:50 AM
No Holgate, Williams or Rooney tomorrow.

Oh ffs.

Not much spark without Rooney.

At least we will hopefully play Vlasic in Sigurdsson's place, with Sigurdsson moving back into the centre.

So Keane in central defence with Jags, then; hope they are both sharp.

Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: sam of the south on December 23, 2017, 05:40:34 AM
                          Pickford
           Kenny Keane Jagielka Martina
                            Gana
                    Davies Sigurdsson
                    Lennon DCL Vlasic

Robles, McCarthy, Baningime, Schneiderlin, Sandro, Lookman, Bolasie
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: therealdunc on December 23, 2017, 05:48:05 AM
No rooney is a plus IMO

The way to beat Chelsea is on the counter attack, can now play Mirallas or Lookman or Bolasie and kill Chelsea on the counter
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Shogun on December 23, 2017, 05:49:30 AM
Fucked us that.

Pickford
Kenny Keane Jagielka Martina
Gana Schneiderlin
Davies
Vlasic DCL Sigurdsson
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Shogun on December 23, 2017, 05:50:19 AM
No rooney is a plus IMO

The way to beat Chelsea is on the counter attack, can now play Mirallas or Lookman or Bolasie and kill Chelsea on the counter

Hopefully Keane has improved massively otherwise Hazard, Willian and Pedro will run rings around him.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: therealdunc on December 23, 2017, 05:52:32 AM
Hopefully Keane has improved massively otherwise Hazard, Willian and Pedro will run rings around him.

I am trying to make a positive out of the situation.

Jags and Keane should be nice and fresh and raring to go and stake a claim for a first team place
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: brap2 on December 23, 2017, 05:59:32 AM
The like was for your ever reliable info, not for them being injured.

Proper shit as then 3 have probably been our best players recently.

Yeah fair play to the djangerman, frequently correct.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Gash on December 23, 2017, 05:59:40 AM
No rooney is a plus IMO

The way to beat Chelsea is on the counter attack, can now play Mirallas or Lookman or Bolasie and kill Chelsea on the counter

I'll bite. Mirallas has been poor for the best part of two years, Lookman is still an impact sub at best and we'll do well to get the last 10 minutes of Bolasie given the time he's been out.

I'd sooner have Rooney than any of those three at the moment.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: brap2 on December 23, 2017, 06:00:33 AM
I'll bite. Mirallas has been poor for the best part of two years, Lookman is still an impact sub at best and we'll do well to get the last 10 minutes of Bolasie given the time he's been out.

I'd sooner have Rooney than any of those three at the moment.

I’d rather me than Mirallas and I’ll be on the ale from 10
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Macca77 on December 23, 2017, 06:03:31 AM
Wonder if they picked up knocks in the friendly game at finch farm
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Thornton_19 on December 23, 2017, 06:42:38 AM
I'd rather me than Mirallas and I'll be on the ale from 10
Heard you are quite the dribbler.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: pjk on December 23, 2017, 06:57:19 AM
Wonder if they picked up knocks in the friendly game at finch farm



The lads who played against Swansea didn't take part in the practice match.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: TheRam on December 23, 2017, 07:02:31 AM
No rooney is a plus IMO

The way to beat Chelsea is on the counter attack, can now play Mirallas or Lookman or Bolasie and kill Chelsea on the counter

Have you seen us without rooney this sesson?
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: American Evertonian on December 23, 2017, 07:36:20 AM
Anyone else find it odd that all the networks are referring to our match as El Classico? ;)
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Bluedylan on December 23, 2017, 01:15:56 PM
No rooney is a plus IMO

The way to beat Chelsea is on the counter attack, can now play Mirallas or Lookman or Bolasie and kill Chelsea on the counter

Rooney is pretty much the only player we've got to play the quality pass needed to make counter attacks effective (see the derby, for the pen)
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on December 23, 2017, 02:01:22 PM
Only just seen the team news for this - FFS. Losing Holgateís pace and ability to pass out from the back is a massive blow. Keane and Jags in then - a right pair of cloggers with no pace. Can see lots of a aimless, long passes from them two.
As for Rooney; we really donít have anyone else with his ability to pick a pass. Sigurdsson is a very good footballer but heís hardly the creative fulcrum we thought he would be.
Shame as I had a feeling we were actually going to come flying out at these and have a real go. The injuries mean weíll play a lot deeper. Crying out for a fit Bolasie for these types of games; pace, strength but with the experience and discipline that Vlasic and Lookman lack.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Alanvideo on December 23, 2017, 02:15:43 PM
Regardless of whether Rooney will be fit ,he couldn't play all 5 games coming up in the in next 14 days. But we really need him for Chelsea ,Man U and the derby. 
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Confucius on December 23, 2017, 03:31:49 PM
People losing their mind. It's pragmatic management from Allardyce over a short intense period of games. Rest your best in a game we probably lose with all our best and concentrate on the others keeping our best players fresh.

Our manager has been around the block.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on December 23, 2017, 04:20:17 PM
Expecting nothing from this one but praying Sams gorra plan.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: SANA_DR0 on December 23, 2017, 04:22:20 PM
this interview <3


love how he starts talking on serious issues, such as food banks.

Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: D15TIN on December 23, 2017, 04:39:55 PM
Today's team

Pickford
Kenny
Jagielka
Keane
Martina
Schneiderlin
Gana
Lennon
Davies
Sigurdsson
Calvert-lewin

So I'm told
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Ross on December 23, 2017, 04:58:39 PM
Be crazy to change the centerbacks after a decent run and them beginning to forge a some kind of partnership.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Bluedylan on December 23, 2017, 04:59:49 PM
Be crazy to change the centerbacks after a decent run and them beginning to forge a some kind of partnership.

Both injured according to Mr Unchained.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Alanvideo on December 23, 2017, 05:07:39 PM
SSN just shown them watering the pitch at Goodison ,as if it isn't wet enough !
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Ross on December 23, 2017, 05:08:34 PM
Typical.

Although Jags and Keane are both more than capable of playing the backs to the wall defend for your lives role it's the one place the team needs continuity at the moment, especially given the inexperience and ability in the fullback positions.

Hopefully itís poor intel and itís ďas you wereĒ.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: blargins on December 23, 2017, 05:11:07 PM
Ironic, on paper that should be our strongest central defence.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Audrey Horne on December 23, 2017, 05:30:31 PM
eeeek

https://twitter.com/Everton/status/944530580439478275
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Audrey Horne on December 23, 2017, 05:30:48 PM
Great to see Bolasie on the bench though
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: dchans on December 23, 2017, 05:33:38 PM
No Rooney

Fuck
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Bluedylan on December 23, 2017, 05:33:56 PM
Got the Chelsea team please?
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Audrey Horne on December 23, 2017, 05:34:25 PM
Got the Chelsea team please?

https://twitter.com/ChelseaFC/status/944530228872916992
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: blargins on December 23, 2017, 05:35:41 PM
That Bakayoko was shit for us.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Macca77 on December 23, 2017, 05:38:16 PM
Cripes! El classico it is then
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 23, 2017, 05:40:20 PM
Great to see Bolasie on the bench though

Anyone know how he's done playing for the u23s.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Bally on December 23, 2017, 05:42:06 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171223/2303aef81e4d6439ff1c3cf3e06c1a19.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171223/87b5d2e5362c04cd80f990a1de3ca89b.jpg)
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: ally2 on December 23, 2017, 05:51:31 PM
Surprised then to see Williams and Holgate both on the bench. Still no Klassen.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Bluedylan on December 23, 2017, 05:57:57 PM
Jamie Redknapp can fuck right off, clueless gobshite. Where's the Everton representative? Fucking hate Sky.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: SANA_DR0 on December 23, 2017, 05:59:21 PM
wtf sort of team is that?

drained my optimism with that midfield, cant believe no vlasic on the bench.. ;/

Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: School of Science on December 23, 2017, 06:00:46 PM
One ex Chelsea and one ex redshite, usual 50/50 representation then.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: toffee_scot on December 23, 2017, 06:02:23 PM
I don't understand why Allardyce has dropped an effective defensive partnership that has done well to keep a few clean sheets and largely contain a very strong attacking Liverpool side.

Just strange.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Simon Paul on December 23, 2017, 06:04:34 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171223/a5c7fe328388b5f862e7759cdedb5696.jpg)

Foggy
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Silas on December 23, 2017, 06:04:46 PM
I don't mind the lineup a lot on that defence though
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Bluedylan on December 23, 2017, 06:05:24 PM
I don't understand why Allardyce has dropped an effective defensive partnership that has done well to keep a few clean sheets and largely contain a very strong attacking Liverpool side.

Just strange.

They're not well, same as Rooney.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Audrey Horne on December 23, 2017, 06:05:57 PM
I don't understand why Allardyce has dropped an effective defensive partnership that has done well to keep a few clean sheets and largely contain a very strong attacking Liverpool side.

Just strange.

They arent dropped, they are ill.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: stirlingblue on December 23, 2017, 06:10:24 PM
Rooney, Holgate and Williams all down with the flu apparently.

Bit weird that Holgate and Williams are on the bench though
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Bluedylan on December 23, 2017, 06:12:18 PM
Rooney, Holgate and Williams all down with the flu apparently.

Bit weird that Holgate and Williams are on the bench though

No other defenders.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: sam of the south on December 23, 2017, 06:13:05 PM
Two flued-up defenders on the bench but no Vlasic or Lookman is odd.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: SANA_DR0 on December 23, 2017, 06:14:13 PM
i love foggy/misty icey cold mornings...
that crispness is amazing


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acestream://92376ea16e80c90f2727c49e05fc5e4b75eae3e9 [HD] [Sky Sports Premier League HD]
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Dr. Sponge on December 23, 2017, 06:17:12 PM
Not gonna be pretty this is it
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: TheRam on December 23, 2017, 06:20:53 PM
Don't get the negativity about the team here
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: blob on December 23, 2017, 06:21:54 PM
never a good time for the flu. good luck lads...
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Macca77 on December 23, 2017, 06:22:33 PM
Come on Everton these are shite
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: pjk on December 23, 2017, 06:22:41 PM
Be prepared for a backs to the wall type game. At Goodison too. :(
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: mikey_blue on December 23, 2017, 06:27:23 PM
streams for the boys?
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: blargins on December 23, 2017, 06:30:41 PM
Just 90 minutes to go. Hang on lads!
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Audrey Horne on December 23, 2017, 06:32:11 PM
any streams working/ mines gone already
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: blargins on December 23, 2017, 06:34:48 PM
All Chelsea at the mo.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Bluedylan on December 23, 2017, 06:34:49 PM
So little care taken with some of our passes. Scared of the ball.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: American Evertonian on December 23, 2017, 06:35:09 PM
Going to be a nervy one. At this rate we are just going to have to hope to knick one on the counter.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 23, 2017, 06:37:06 PM
any streams working/ mines gone already

http://streamhunter.top/soccer/everton-chelsea-sht5673638?l=1443051488
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: blargins on December 23, 2017, 06:37:48 PM
Can we stop passing to Chelsea players please?
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: blargins on December 23, 2017, 06:40:06 PM
Holy shit off the line twice
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Dr. Sponge on December 23, 2017, 06:40:58 PM
Davies looks up for it
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: blargins on December 23, 2017, 06:41:05 PM
Feel it's just a matter of time.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 23, 2017, 06:41:15 PM
Brilliant from Jagielka. Theyve too many runners. Too many dribblers. Too much movement. Top side Chelsea and unfortunately we are lightyears behind them
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Cuttyblue on December 23, 2017, 06:43:00 PM
Can't go on like this for 90 mins.

The very few times we've had the ball going forward we've looked bright and quick though.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Goaljira on December 23, 2017, 06:43:10 PM
Anyone ever had any davanta tyres?
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: American Evertonian on December 23, 2017, 06:45:32 PM
Can it please be halftime yet?
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: blob on December 23, 2017, 06:45:37 PM
horrid air of inevitability about this...so far. coyb...
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Bluedylan on December 23, 2017, 06:47:18 PM
Brilliant from Jagielka. Theyve too many runners. Too many dribblers. Too much movement. Top side Chelsea and unfortunately we are lightyears behind them

West Ham beat them the other week.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: American Evertonian on December 23, 2017, 06:47:52 PM
One thing that does concern me as I watch this match is our RB/LB situation over the festive period - they are going to be exhausted. Think any team with pacey wingers will be taking advantage of us.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Macca77 on December 23, 2017, 06:47:56 PM
Not enjoyable to watch this
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Cuttyblue on December 23, 2017, 06:48:45 PM
DCL winning so many headers.  Need to get a cross into him in the box.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Heisenberg on December 23, 2017, 06:48:46 PM
For this to work. DCL needs to be winning the header and second ball himself. Needs support
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 23, 2017, 06:49:08 PM
West Ham beat them the other week.

I know but generally speaking the other 14 teams are often gonna be left hanging on by the top 6. We just dont have the dribblers or the movement. I still think we have a lack of balance that other lesser sides dont suffer from
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: sam of the south on December 23, 2017, 06:49:18 PM
All it needs is for there to be an over reaction from a Chelsea player and DCL is off
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: hannu on December 23, 2017, 06:49:41 PM
forgot this was on links please guys ace stream preferable
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Goaljira on December 23, 2017, 06:50:04 PM
Asking too much of DCL here working and battling on his own when he's already on a booking.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Gash on December 23, 2017, 06:50:20 PM
Kenny's needing to put a marker on Alonso and/or Hazard, nothing malcious just a nice little dead leg to the thigh or something.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: American Evertonian on December 23, 2017, 06:51:13 PM
So poor by Martina
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Cuttyblue on December 23, 2017, 06:51:35 PM
Two of the weakest yellow cards brandished all season by yet another bent "Top 4" Ref.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Juanito on December 23, 2017, 06:51:38 PM
Martina on a yellow, think we need Holgate as left back.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Heisenberg on December 23, 2017, 06:52:46 PM
Martina is having a nightmare here. That foul is exactly why you need a left footed player at left back
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Bluedylan on December 23, 2017, 06:53:01 PM
Hooooof
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 23, 2017, 06:53:42 PM
DCL is pretty decent in the air
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 23, 2017, 06:54:32 PM
Need to survive til half time and get Sandro and Bolasie on. Throw on some flair and pace
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: howard1334 on December 23, 2017, 06:58:57 PM
Calvert-Lewin must be close to 10 headers won already today. Insane.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Bwana on December 23, 2017, 07:01:05 PM
Morgs having his best two minutes of the season so far.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 23, 2017, 07:03:04 PM
I honestly dont think we are doing too badly here. Im happy for us to set up like this against the better sides and maybe have a go late on. Think its pragmatic and apart from the 2 in 1 second off the line Im not sure theyve looked like scoring so far
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 23, 2017, 07:05:21 PM
Well played Pickford. Good save
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Gash on December 23, 2017, 07:06:13 PM
Good save that, looked like it was going over anyway but Pickford wasn't to know that. Should warm the hands up a bit.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: American Evertonian on December 23, 2017, 07:06:23 PM
Think some of the air has come out of the game now. Good for us as I think Chelsea will start to leave themselves open for the counter.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: dchans on December 23, 2017, 07:08:34 PM
Sigi is a class above anyone else we have on the pitch
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: howard1334 on December 23, 2017, 07:08:57 PM
Schneiderlin looking better for sure.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Sixx1402 on December 23, 2017, 07:09:01 PM
Settled down a bit now, putting some attacks together.

First 20 mins was knives to a bunfight
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: American Evertonian on December 23, 2017, 07:09:08 PM
I've been impressed with Davies today (other than him taking that shot too early). He has done well by dropping back and showing for the ball like Rooney has this season. Has given our deeper lying players passing options.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Shogun on December 23, 2017, 07:09:23 PM
Niasse would be great here. Putting pressure on their defence.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 23, 2017, 07:13:41 PM
DCL has the square route of fuck all chance. Hes had some lovely touches followed by being tackled by 3 or 4 players at the same time
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: cantoffee on December 23, 2017, 07:14:36 PM
Antonio Conte's hair is pathetic. Especially with him being Italian and all. Should really be doing something about that.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: American Evertonian on December 23, 2017, 07:14:45 PM
Settled down a bit now, putting some attacks together.

First 20 mins was knives to a bunfight

Never been to one of those before....
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Bluedylan on December 23, 2017, 07:15:32 PM
Pyar greed that like
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Goaljira on December 23, 2017, 07:15:45 PM
Unbelievably bad decision not to pass then from DCL.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: cantoffee on December 23, 2017, 07:16:06 PM
Has to pass that, did all the hard work there and wrong decision at the end.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: BlueNoseMike on December 23, 2017, 07:16:09 PM
Antonio Conte's hair is pathetic. Especially with him being Italian and all. Should really be doing something about that.

He was going bald and got his hair done I think
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 23, 2017, 07:16:17 PM
Hes got to give that. Dreadful play
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Gash on December 23, 2017, 07:16:33 PM
Fuck off. Did all the hard word then fucking blew it.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Shogun on December 23, 2017, 07:17:02 PM
We need more of that because they're exposed at the back of we can possession like that.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: stirlingblue on December 23, 2017, 07:17:13 PM
Fuck off. Did all the hard word then fucking blew it.

Didn't get his head up
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Dr. Sponge on December 23, 2017, 07:17:32 PM
Sig's workrate is immense
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Sixx1402 on December 23, 2017, 07:17:35 PM
Never been to one of those before....

I have, you throw buns at each other until one team is creamed.

Then the knives turn up and you all die.

Chelsea were the knives of course  ;D
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Ari on December 23, 2017, 07:17:58 PM
Nice (or not) to see Conte blow his nose and then licking his lips as if it was something of a good taste...hehe

Why didn't DCL give it to Gana...
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 23, 2017, 07:18:02 PM
Fuck off. Did all the hard word then fucking blew it.

Does the stepovers. When the defender doesnt buy them hes got to pick his head up and look for a pass.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: sam of the south on December 23, 2017, 07:18:10 PM
I love DCL, but what a nobend there!

A) Look up!

Pass to Gana.

B) Don't do that hands on your head play to the gallery shit!

If you weren't doing that you could've pressured the ball and we would then be in a strong position to regain possession in the box.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Martip on December 23, 2017, 07:18:25 PM
Gueye = tank
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Ross on December 23, 2017, 07:18:31 PM
Oh Dom.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: pjk on December 23, 2017, 07:18:44 PM
Antonio Conte's hair is pathetic. Especially with him being Italian and all. Should really be doing something about that.



What! lolol
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: BlueNoseMike on December 23, 2017, 07:18:55 PM
Schneiderlin's best game of season. Passed forward well at times and done a disciplined job shielding.

We looked more solid as we went on then
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Paddockoldie on December 23, 2017, 07:19:04 PM
Never been to one of those before....

Always comes to a sticky end mate.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: stirlingblue on December 23, 2017, 07:19:34 PM
I've been impressed with Davies today (other than him taking that shot too early). He has done well by dropping back and showing for the ball like Rooney has this season. Has given our deeper lying players passing options.

Summarises to me how much of a game of opinions football is, as I was just coming on to say we need to hook him at half time!

He's picked up Rooney's mantle of sloppy passes as well as showing for the ball.

If Bolasie has 45 minutes in him I'd tuck Sigurdsson inside and sub Davies off for Bolasie down the left.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Bwana on December 23, 2017, 07:19:43 PM
Don't get me wrong here but fuck off DCL. Excellent work and blowing it up like that is criminal.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 23, 2017, 07:20:10 PM
Think we are doing well. We still look comfortable defensively. Not a lot going forwards but Im more than happy to do this for 45 or even 70 or 80 minutes and then maybe have a little bit of a go over a shorter match against a top team
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: bogie on December 23, 2017, 07:20:50 PM
Holgate for Coco to help me watch this without shouting
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Alanvideo on December 23, 2017, 07:21:36 PM
Antonio Conte's hair is pathetic. Especially with him being Italian and all. Should really be doing something about that.
.................it's a syrup
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: blueToffee on December 23, 2017, 07:22:05 PM
It was dumb from DCL, but at the same time when youíve been so isolated all half and a tiny shooting chance emerges I get that heíd want to try a shot. You end up looking like a bit of an idiot when it doesnít work out though.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: piggypop on December 23, 2017, 07:22:06 PM
Superb defensive work and organisation. Easily schneiderlin's best game of the season.
Keep it tight now and go for them in the last 20.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Confucius on December 23, 2017, 07:22:30 PM
We doing fine. Keep it simple. Keep it controlled and keep the shape. 0-0 would do me.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Martip on December 23, 2017, 07:23:07 PM
Holgate for Coco to help me watch this without shouting
He is really bad. Tells us a lot about koeman that he signed him again after seeing him play.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Paddockoldie on December 23, 2017, 07:23:20 PM
Summarises to me how much of a game of opinions football is, as I was just coming on to say we need to hook him at half time!

He's picked up Rooney's mantle of sloppy passes as well as showing for the ball.

If Bolasie has 45 minutes in him I'd tuck Sigurdsson inside and sub Davies off for Bolasie down the left.

Was thinking the same with Davies.. some very sloppy passing and running in to dead ends. Should have through balled DCL earlier.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Shogun on December 23, 2017, 07:23:24 PM
To be fair if I had three defenders in front of me and the goal and Gana was the alternative then I'd probably shoot too.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: blargins on December 23, 2017, 07:23:44 PM
DCL should have passed for sure. This is why we need a proper striker as opposed to a kid still learning his trade.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: sam of the south on December 23, 2017, 07:24:45 PM
To be fair if I had three defenders in front of me and the goal and Gana was the alternative then I'd probably shoot too.

If he'd have got his head up he would've seen Sigurdsson on his own as well
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: TheRam on December 23, 2017, 07:26:22 PM
Gana immense here. Morgan having his best game of the season.

Michael Keane is a plodder
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Fynci on December 23, 2017, 07:26:54 PM
Was not a fan of Sam coming in but he has replaced half of his (makeshift) defence and we still look tough to crack.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 23, 2017, 07:27:04 PM
Holgate for Coco to help me watch this without shouting

Martina apart from 1 clumsy challenge has been as good as anyone.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: sam of the south on December 23, 2017, 07:28:56 PM
The fact is, we were only in that position due to DCL's tenacity, pace, and strength.

It's a shame he didn't have the nous and positional awareness to look up and square it, however, to expect to gain that full package with the acquisition of a youngster from Sheffield United for £1.5m is being naive at best!
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Heisenberg on December 23, 2017, 07:29:03 PM
Keane is shit imo. Seen him in high and deep line defences now and he looks good in neither. Prefer mori
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: TSGun on December 23, 2017, 07:30:06 PM
Only caught the last 20min and thought we looked solid, passing is a few grades off top quality though.

Personally I don't think DCL could have passed it in the circumstances, if anything the forward running support should have been looking for blocked deflections.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 23, 2017, 07:30:11 PM
He is really bad. Tells us a lot about koeman that he signed him again after seeing him play.

Amazing how we look so solid defensively despite of this. Almost as if hes not playing badly but people have decided they are gonna slag him off regardless now. would need a hattrick in the derby to get a 7/10 off most
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: pjk on December 23, 2017, 07:30:44 PM
Some good defending from Jags on the line early in the game. We need The Sig to score a screamer to get anything out of this. All hands to the pumps! :)
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Goaljira on December 23, 2017, 07:31:07 PM
Davies off?
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Heisenberg on December 23, 2017, 07:31:10 PM
I hate them subs. Weird
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: blargins on December 23, 2017, 07:31:25 PM
Sandro and Williams on.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Shogun on December 23, 2017, 07:31:37 PM
Odd subs there
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: School of Science on December 23, 2017, 07:31:57 PM
Think Keane and Jagielka have been immense up to now myself and DCL has played well off scraps. Cuco is worrying me though, midfield has played really well against a very good team.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: mikey_blue on December 23, 2017, 07:32:14 PM
5-3-2?
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Gash on December 23, 2017, 07:32:19 PM
Williams and Sandro on for Davies amd Lennon.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: blargins on December 23, 2017, 07:32:51 PM
Gives DCL support.

If we get it out the box that is.

Off the line again.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: American Evertonian on December 23, 2017, 07:32:56 PM
Big Sam never afraid to make a change. Don't mind it.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: mikey_blue on December 23, 2017, 07:33:48 PM
Must be to give Sandro some more support and to have some.cover for Martina.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: blargins on December 23, 2017, 07:34:03 PM
So 532 I guess.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Dr. Sponge on December 23, 2017, 07:35:08 PM
Brings Sigurdson central. However, Martina as a left wing back 🤦🏻‍♂️
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Dr. Sponge on December 23, 2017, 07:35:34 PM
Fuck sake Gueye
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Ross on December 23, 2017, 07:35:51 PM
Hamstring gone
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Martip on December 23, 2017, 07:36:18 PM
Martina apart from 1 clumsy challenge has been as good as anyone.
Really !?
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Bluedylan on December 23, 2017, 07:36:28 PM
Regretting those subs now.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Gash on December 23, 2017, 07:36:29 PM
Beni coming on. Same as the League Cup game and he'll be fine.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 23, 2017, 07:36:59 PM
Need gueye to stay on here. As much as anything so bolaise can come on late to get the winner
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: pjk on December 23, 2017, 07:37:14 PM
Bit of a disaster if Gana has to come off.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 23, 2017, 07:38:35 PM
Really !?

Absolutely. He's played his part in what's been a great defensive effort so far.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Dr. Sponge on December 23, 2017, 07:40:16 PM
I'm confident in Baningime, he's a good player. We're fucked if anyone gets injured now though.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Cuttyblue on December 23, 2017, 07:40:23 PM
Odd subs there

The word you should have used is "bizarre."  Or maybe "baffling"
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Martip on December 23, 2017, 07:41:50 PM
Absolutely. He's played his part in what's been a great defensive effort so far.
He scares the hell out of me....positionally seems bad, very weak in the tackle and crap going forward but football is about opinions I guess.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Dr. Sponge on December 23, 2017, 07:41:57 PM
Absolutely. He's played his part in what's been a great defensive effort so far.

But he is not a good player for this level. His possession retention is awful.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 23, 2017, 07:43:02 PM
But he is not a good player for this level. His possession retention is awful.

Not sure its been worse than anyone elses. Our possession retention has been awful/
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Bluedylan on December 23, 2017, 07:43:10 PM
Gylfi's been superb here
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Heisenberg on December 23, 2017, 07:43:15 PM
Chelsea are actually not great it's a real shame we won't get to see bolasie get 15
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Dr. Sponge on December 23, 2017, 07:45:09 PM
It could be the energy drink I've just downed, but I have a really good feeling about this half.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: sam of the south on December 23, 2017, 07:46:13 PM
Conte was desperately pressurising the fourth official for a sending-off there.

Creepy, blue-eyed, six-pack cunt.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: sam of the south on December 23, 2017, 07:47:42 PM
Great challenge from Keane
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 23, 2017, 07:49:02 PM
Love performances like this. Fighting for it. Battling our way into this. We could win it
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: sam of the south on December 23, 2017, 07:49:02 PM
Chelsea are rabidly pursuing cards here.

Shithouse club in every way 🖕🏼
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Bluedylan on December 23, 2017, 07:49:50 PM
Hopefully someone snaps this weasly little prick
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: sam of the south on December 23, 2017, 07:50:16 PM
Schneiderlin is having a marvellous game, and I've been a relentless critic of his 👌🏼
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Cuttyblue on December 23, 2017, 07:50:30 PM
(rubbing eyes)  Schneiderlin dispossessing attacking midfielders?  I like this.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: sam of the south on December 23, 2017, 07:51:22 PM
He's a right shitcunt this ref
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Dr. Sponge on December 23, 2017, 07:51:23 PM
I still don't know what Sandro is.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Paddockoldie on December 23, 2017, 07:52:17 PM
Oh no. Here's the can opener. Fabregas usually undoes us or scores against us. DCL needs more support here.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 23, 2017, 07:53:06 PM
Still think Sandro is gonna be a fantastic signing. Just hope we dont sell him before he settles
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Gash on December 23, 2017, 07:53:23 PM
I fucking hate Fabregas, he's got one of those faces you'd never tire of slapping.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: sam of the south on December 23, 2017, 07:53:49 PM
Martina getting targetted now that Sigurdsson has gone central.

No surprises there.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: sam of the south on December 23, 2017, 07:54:15 PM
I fucking hate Fabregas, he's got one of those faces you'd never tire of slapping.

Absolutely, he's a massive arsehat
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Dr. Sponge on December 23, 2017, 07:54:47 PM
Schneiderlin back to his best today. Interceptions and tackles.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Bwana on December 23, 2017, 07:55:33 PM
Keane & Schneiderlin so far immense.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Gash on December 23, 2017, 07:55:53 PM
Does Martina ever manage to block a cross?
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: American Evertonian on December 23, 2017, 07:55:53 PM
Sigurdsson's stamina is remarkable. He is everywhere on the pitch.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Bluedylan on December 23, 2017, 07:56:51 PM
Need some composure on the out ball.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: sam of the south on December 23, 2017, 07:57:25 PM
He's a good lad is Kenny
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: blargins on December 23, 2017, 07:57:54 PM
When Baines comes back from injury he's going to seem like the best left back ever again.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: sam of the south on December 23, 2017, 07:58:19 PM
Great communication and calmness between Pickford and Keane
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Shogun on December 23, 2017, 07:59:14 PM
 We are awful on the ball under pressure
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Audrey Horne on December 23, 2017, 07:59:15 PM
streams gone, any out there??
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Bluedylan on December 23, 2017, 07:59:56 PM
Piss poor DCL
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: blargins on December 23, 2017, 08:00:01 PM
We just can't pass to our own players.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: sam of the south on December 23, 2017, 08:00:20 PM
Fabregas has added to his hatefulness by cultivating a dismal barnet 
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Silas on December 23, 2017, 08:00:41 PM
Really pleased with how we are approaching this game. I'm really trying hard to hate Allardyce you know.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Dr. Sponge on December 23, 2017, 08:01:13 PM
Could do with a nice penalty in the last 10.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: sam of the south on December 23, 2017, 08:01:47 PM
Pickford's amazing distribution is currently looking like a bit of a myth
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Bluedylan on December 23, 2017, 08:01:53 PM
Could do with a nice penalty in the last 10.

Must be due one
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Smingers on December 23, 2017, 08:02:02 PM
Williams you lucky man.... For once
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: blargins on December 23, 2017, 08:02:10 PM
Off the bar. So lucky there.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: sam of the south on December 23, 2017, 08:02:29 PM
Yay, microphone with the away fans as usual
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: blue slug on December 23, 2017, 08:02:39 PM
Fabregas is one of the biggest cunts in football
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Cuttyblue on December 23, 2017, 08:03:08 PM
So do we move the bus and come out for the win?
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Sixx1402 on December 23, 2017, 08:03:30 PM
Williams??

Dear oh dear
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 23, 2017, 08:04:33 PM
My stream has turned to absolute shit
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: sam of the south on December 23, 2017, 08:05:12 PM
Great work from DCL and Sandro there
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: sam of the south on December 23, 2017, 08:06:01 PM
Williams??

Dear oh dear

You have to clarify posts like this, mate; anyone not watching will assume we've conceded a goal.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 23, 2017, 08:06:45 PM
You have to clarify posts like this, mate; anyone not watching will assume we've conceded a goal.

Was worried my pictures were delayed
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Martip on December 23, 2017, 08:07:00 PM
More graft needed from sandro
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Sixx1402 on December 23, 2017, 08:07:08 PM
You have to clarify posts like this, mate; anyone not watching will assume we've conceded a goal.

Sorry was on about him heading against our crossbar

What the fuck was he doing????
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: American Evertonian on December 23, 2017, 08:07:56 PM
You have to clarify posts like this, mate; anyone not watching will assume we've conceded a goal.

He essentially tried too. Would have been an absolute class finish for an OG.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: sam of the south on December 23, 2017, 08:07:58 PM
I take it back about Pickford's distribution, that was a helluva throw out
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Gash on December 23, 2017, 08:08:59 PM
Everyone except Martina covering the left, he even fucking ducked out the way there.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: blargins on December 23, 2017, 08:09:21 PM
Why can't our players stay on their feet?
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: sam of the south on December 23, 2017, 08:09:31 PM
Good passes by Baningime and Sandro there, and nice control by DCL
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: blob on December 23, 2017, 08:10:02 PM
hang on lads...well under the cosh
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Heisenberg on December 23, 2017, 08:10:24 PM
Are keanes boots heavier than the standard pair ?
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: American Evertonian on December 23, 2017, 08:10:53 PM
Some probably won't agree but I think Sandro has had some nice movement and vision with his (attempted) passes
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: sam of the south on December 23, 2017, 08:11:02 PM
Why can't our players stay on their feet?

Probably because we heavily watered an already damp pitch before the game
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Ross on December 23, 2017, 08:11:08 PM
Sandro is the only player ive ever seen whoís quicker running with the ball towards his own goal than he is going towards the oppositions
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Bluedylan on December 23, 2017, 08:11:09 PM
I think Sandro's done well, given the 'service'
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 23, 2017, 08:11:26 PM
Sandro is a very good footballer. Busy quick good touch and some real vision too. I like him a lot. Be nice if it's him who gets our winner
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: blargins on December 23, 2017, 08:11:39 PM
Probably because we heavily watered an already damp pitch before the game

I think we need our players to buy the same boots Chelsea players wear then.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Lxxx on December 23, 2017, 08:12:04 PM
Sandro is poor lads, it's looks like a kid has been thrown into his first match for the mens team.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Sixx1402 on December 23, 2017, 08:12:14 PM
To be fair we're not exactly playing any decent football.

It's fine for the moment until we're sure we're out of trouble but long term it can't continue like this, it's no way to progress to where we want to be.

I'm happy with Sam for the minute and he's got us the results but he'll need to get us playing decent football if we're ever going to get anywhere near the likes of Chelsea

Be interesting to see what happens in the window - if he goes for some flair or sticks with the workmen like route
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: American Evertonian on December 23, 2017, 08:14:25 PM
Sando will be like the new Anichebe. 50% will hate him and 50% will love him.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: blue slug on December 23, 2017, 08:14:47 PM
Iím not watching but itís not good when your at home and have 4 shots to the opponents 22 and giving them 68% possession
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: American Evertonian on December 23, 2017, 08:15:47 PM
A draw will feel like a win...
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: blargins on December 23, 2017, 08:15:59 PM
5 minutes added time is my guess.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Ross on December 23, 2017, 08:16:08 PM
Sigurdsson has to make this a good one
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 23, 2017, 08:16:26 PM
Iím not watching but itís not good when your at home and have 4 shots to the opponents 22 and giving them 68% possession

We are doing fine. Gonna snatch it here with this free kick anyways
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: blargins on December 23, 2017, 08:17:11 PM
Arrghh Keane so close.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Goaljira on December 23, 2017, 08:17:28 PM
That would have been the perfect shithousing performance had Keane's header gone in.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 23, 2017, 08:17:44 PM
Corner ball. Fuck knows why but I fancy we are gonna win this

Fuck. Should have scored
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Sixx1402 on December 23, 2017, 08:18:30 PM
Iím not watching but itís not good when your at home and have 4 shots to the opponents 22 and giving them 68% possession

Yeah its pretty dire to watch.

We've rode our luck and Chelsea deserve it, just hoofing it up front is pointless against a team like this as it just comes straight back for the whole game.

We need to do something in possession but you can't if you just hoof it up front all the time, we've hardly created anything
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Smingers on December 23, 2017, 08:19:19 PM
Niasse would have got to that ball that Sandro didn't get to then.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: blargins on December 23, 2017, 08:20:31 PM
10 second left
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: blargins on December 23, 2017, 08:20:53 PM
A point won.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: The Analog Kid on December 23, 2017, 08:20:55 PM
Still unbeaten. Iíll take that
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Martip on December 23, 2017, 08:21:05 PM
Great point
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Sixx1402 on December 23, 2017, 08:21:09 PM
Niasse would have got to that ball that Sandro didn't get to then.

Yeah was a very decent chance to get in behind there  :headbang:
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: American Evertonian on December 23, 2017, 08:21:21 PM
I would have taken 0-0 if you offered at the beginning of the match so to be honest I am happy.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Cuttyblue on December 23, 2017, 08:21:39 PM
To be fair we're not exactly playing any decent football.

It's fine for the moment until we're sure we're out of trouble but long term it can't continue like this, it's no way to progress to where we want to be.

I'm happy with Sam for the minute and he's got us the results but he'll need to get us playing decent football if we're ever going to get anywhere near the likes of Chelsea

Be interesting to see what happens in the window - if he goes for some flair or sticks with the workmen like route

Good discussion starter.  No one can score vs. Allardyce's Everton!  So job #1 complete in terms of escaping the relegation threat, now we need Barkley back and a few more attacking players and a top striker.  We won't have to park the bus when we get the quality players to push forward.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Gash on December 23, 2017, 08:22:03 PM
Niasse would have got to that ball that Sandro didn't get to then.

And knee it out for a throw in. ;)
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Heisenberg on December 23, 2017, 08:22:06 PM
Iím not watching but itís not good when your at home and have 4 shots to the opponents 22 and giving them 68% possession

They done fuck all
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Goaljira on December 23, 2017, 08:22:18 PM
Take that all day.  Wasn't pretty, we rode our luck, but we looked like we had an idea and a plan and we actually managed to stick to it and follow it through which 6 weeks ago just simply didnt look possible with the same group of players.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Bwana on December 23, 2017, 08:22:26 PM
Good point that. Could've actually got 'em but cest la vie. Now, Merry Christmas Bluenoses! See ya on Boxing Day!
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Ari on December 23, 2017, 08:22:26 PM
Nice results... merry Christmas everyone :)
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Smingers on December 23, 2017, 08:22:53 PM
Would have taken a point before kick off. Crap match. We were lucky Chelsea were not at the races today. But we seem to be working more as a unit now. Which is better than before
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: pjk on December 23, 2017, 08:22:57 PM
That is the spirit of the Everton I know. Fucking nerves are shredded. ;D
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Gash on December 23, 2017, 08:23:09 PM
Good result that, they'd have taken four off us a few weeks back.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: mikey_blue on December 23, 2017, 08:24:33 PM
Take that all day.

Be arsed with all the comments of how we need to control games and dictate the play against one of the best teams in Europe.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Paddockoldie on December 23, 2017, 08:24:46 PM
Not pretty but against the big teams Sam's found out team. Every player today played for each other (didn't always pass to each other like) and got a great point.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Lxxx on December 23, 2017, 08:24:50 PM
Six games played, unbeaten with only two goals conceded. It's not pretty but it's progress.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Django on December 23, 2017, 08:24:58 PM
Ugly and stubborn. Not a great watch but a great point.

Keane could of won it for us right at the end.

Have to question the decision to replace Lennon with Sandro I'm afraid. I know we have a game in 72 hours but if he had to change I'd of brought Niasse on. Sandro is absolute bobbins. No positional sense whatsoever and a woeful touch.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Goaljira on December 23, 2017, 08:25:03 PM
And players like Schneiderlin, Williams, and Keane are showing more like what we know they can do.  Gives hope that Sandro and Klaassen can turn it around too in the right conditions.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: The Analog Kid on December 23, 2017, 08:25:10 PM
Similar to the game against the Shite really- plenty of ďopportunity ď for them but they did nothing with it. Defensively we are looking stubborn as fuck again, we just lack pace and control up top.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: stirlingblue on December 23, 2017, 08:25:14 PM
I love Sigurdsson, he must get in more sprints in a game than most of the league
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Sixx1402 on December 23, 2017, 08:25:30 PM
Good discussion starter.  No one can score vs. Allardyce's Everton!  So job #1 complete in terms of escaping the relegation threat, now we need Barkley back and a few more attacking players and a top striker.  We won't have to park the bus when we get the quality players to push forward.

Defence: Playing out of their skins, very very good

Attack: Very poor today, hardly any attacks built

Such a lopsided team, need some real quality in the final third and it might all click

I think Barkley has played his last game for us unfortunately mate, think he's off to Spurs in January (unless they don't want to pay and get him for free at the end of the season)
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: duncandisorderly on December 23, 2017, 08:25:50 PM
We could have won that with the Keane header and even when DCL could have squared it, Chelsea had all the possession but created fuck all really. Good point.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Heisenberg on December 23, 2017, 08:27:33 PM
Great point providing we win West Brom
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Macca77 on December 23, 2017, 08:27:52 PM
Ladies and Gents, Micheal Keane has arrived, superb at the back today
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: blue1948 on December 23, 2017, 08:28:34 PM
Goes to show ,all this shit about players being played out of position .Cuco was great again today .Merry Xmas to all you miserable bastards .
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: stirlingblue on December 23, 2017, 08:29:14 PM
I know it isn't the fancy football that people on here want to see, but this backs to the wall/heart on the sleeve stuff presses my buttons for some reason.

Must be growing up through the relegation fighting days
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: AllyBlue14 on December 23, 2017, 08:29:44 PM
Good point, certainly one more than we'd have got a few weeks ago.

Thought DCL played really well, we were crying out for Bolasie in the last 15 minutes as an outlet but we'd used all our subs.

This is the kind of philosophy I think we need - we changed our 2 CBs and still looked solid. They're obviously all buying in to the game plan and the turnaround has been amazing.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Heisenberg on December 23, 2017, 08:31:43 PM
Sandro doesn't cut it for me
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Shogun on December 23, 2017, 08:31:43 PM
Donít want to see us approach a home match like that ever again.

He can get away with at this point of his reign but post-January, these performances have to be a thing of the past.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: The Analog Kid on December 23, 2017, 08:31:57 PM
Ladies and Gents, Micheal Keane has arrived, superb at the back today

Made up for him, and the rest, tbh. Supposed fans of ours, some friends of mine, calling him dogshit amongst others. Unwarranted really.

We signed him for a reason and heís back showing why. Thereís a fair few doing the same that were shot to shit two months ago.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Heisenberg on December 23, 2017, 08:33:07 PM
Donít want to see us approach a home match like that ever again.

He can get away with at this point of his reign but post-January, these performances have to be a thing of the past.

It's worth noting, and I say this because it seems to be completely ignored.

Coleman, baines, rooney, Barkley, bolasie and gueye for half of the game. Half of our team out injured and all of them are our creative output
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: BlueBeagle on December 23, 2017, 08:34:08 PM
Donít want to see us approach a home match like that ever again.

He can get away with at this point of his reign but post-January, these performances have to be a thing of the past.

Yeah, would have been much better to go at them and get trounced 4-0
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: The Analog Kid on December 23, 2017, 08:34:22 PM
Donít want to see us approach a home match like that ever again.

He can get away with at this point of his reign but post-January, these performances have to be a thing of the past.

Wasnít pretty at all, but we donít have the firepower up top to be going toe to toe with the likes of these.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Shogun on December 23, 2017, 08:34:27 PM
It's worth noting, and I say this because it seems to be completely ignored.

Coleman, baines, rooney, Barkley, bolasie and gueye for half of the game. Half of our team out injured and all of them are our creative output

Sam was a bit hamstrung (excuse the pun) when Gana went off injured tbf.

There was no need to bring Sandro on at HT, mind.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: toffee_scot on December 23, 2017, 08:34:30 PM
It's absolutely amazing how defensively solid we've become in a short space of time with all 4 of our central defenders - Holgate, Jags, Williams and Keane - looking like they will thrive under this new system.

The next step now is to see if we can start playing some football.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Shogun on December 23, 2017, 08:35:03 PM
Yeah, would have been much better to go at them and get trounced 4-0

Because thatís the only alternative.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Goaljira on December 23, 2017, 08:35:08 PM
Donít want to see us approach a home match like that ever again.

He can get away with at this point of his reign but post-January, these performances have to be a thing of the past.

Definitely.  Acceptable now with the players we've got missing and the holes in the squad, but once we're full strength we'll expect better.

But in the circumatances that was a very good solid performance today.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: School of Science on December 23, 2017, 08:35:39 PM
Donít want to see us approach a home match like that ever again.

He can get away with at this point of his reign but post-January, these performances have to be a thing of the past.

Want more myself, but we have a fair few injuries to our flair players and earlier on in the sea son that would have been a 4-0 defeat. Happy with that today, you can only play with what hand your dealt with.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: NomadskiEFC on December 23, 2017, 08:35:51 PM
Front players had little to work with, but didn't do much to help themselves either.

Happy with the draw though, good point.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Confucius on December 23, 2017, 08:36:22 PM
Sandro showed better control today but lacking that half a yard of match sharpness which is understandable. Thought he did well.

Keane was great today as was Jagielka. Credit to him to come in from the cold and have a good game against a team as good as Chelsea.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Shogun on December 23, 2017, 08:36:48 PM
I just have the lingering doubt that this is what our football will be under Sam no matter what our position but Iím trying to give him the benefit of the doubt.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Sixx1402 on December 23, 2017, 08:37:23 PM
It's worth noting, and I say this because it seems to be completely ignored.

Coleman, baines, rooney, Barkley, bolasie and gueye for half of the game. Half of our team out injured and all of them are our creative output

Keep forgetting Rooney wasn't playing, he would have given us some more control and attacking options, good point you make to be fair
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Macca77 on December 23, 2017, 08:37:25 PM
We're getting into the habbit of pissing other managers off, Klopp, Rafa and now Conte
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Sixx1402 on December 23, 2017, 08:39:33 PM
We're getting into the habbit of pissing other managers off, Klopp, Rafa and now Conte

Reckon Conte is easy to wind up, he always looks a second away from losing his shit
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Confucius on December 23, 2017, 08:41:02 PM
Don't want to see us approach a home match like that ever again.

He can get away with at this point of his reign but post-January, these performances have to be a thing of the past.

Big Sam agreeing with you in his post match interview.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Polledreng on December 23, 2017, 08:42:05 PM
Ladies and Gents, Micheal Keane has arrived, superb at the back today
Well spoken I'm so happy for him and even happier for us
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: TheRam on December 23, 2017, 08:43:16 PM
What the fuck is Sandro?

Strange little player.

He's gone from trying too hard to not looking interested today. Don't think we needed to make two changes at half time there
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: The Analog Kid on December 23, 2017, 08:46:22 PM
Haha, love his end comment then!

Pipe it or fuck off!
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 23, 2017, 08:46:46 PM
I'd have taken the point pre game, the performance however was grim
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Lxxx on December 23, 2017, 08:49:02 PM
Ladies and Gents, Micheal Keane has arrived, superb at the back today

Itís a bit of a back handed compliment though that he only looks comfortable when weíre defending the 6 yard box and itís back to basics defending. Similarly with Williams.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: sam of the south on December 23, 2017, 08:49:39 PM
I've seen far grimmer performances under Moyes, and that was when we were a Top 6 side
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on December 23, 2017, 08:51:04 PM
Got to be happy with that, they all knew their jobs so did replacements, workmanlike....but ok
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Confucius on December 23, 2017, 08:51:43 PM
What the fuck is Sandro?

Strange little player.

He's gone from trying too hard to not looking interested today. Don't think we needed to make two changes at half time there

Watched something different to you. Thought he didn't stop running
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 23, 2017, 08:51:57 PM
Haha, love his end comment then!

Pipe it or fuck off!

What's he had to say
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: fubarruk on December 23, 2017, 08:55:50 PM
What's he had to say
In a nutshell, need to keep a clean sheet against top teams who will make you defend. Needed to do more upfront, it's why he brought on Sandro, but that will improve. 5 games in 14 days don't even think of criticising his players if they look tired at the end of the festive period.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: TheRam on December 23, 2017, 08:57:22 PM
Gutted we didn't get to see bolasie today.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 23, 2017, 08:57:28 PM
Really don't get people complaining. They have 6 or 7 attacking outlets better than we have. We are missing a striker winger and playmaker of real quality and people want us to go out and open up against Chelsea

Thought we did great. They didn't really actually create much either. Allardyce is doing a fantastic job so far. Let's get bolasie back. Let's sign a striker. Let's get barkley back or a replacement in and see where we are then

Good football is overrated anyway. At the end of the day the results decide if we are smiling or not

Before allardyce we were talking about just surviving until the window. How none of our defenders were good enough. Look at us now. Unbeaten in 6. Conceded 2 in 6
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Bluedylan on December 23, 2017, 08:58:30 PM
I have to laugh at the 'it's not fancy football' comments.

No-one is asking for that. Of course they have better players and will probably dominate possession, but we've got to be able to pass the ball 5 yards a few times in a row otherwise it is just dross, and you will end up conceding, when your luck runs out and then it's game over.

Sam has acknowledged that, and said he expects better, so fair enough.

But yeah, it needs to get better.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Lxxx on December 23, 2017, 08:59:01 PM
Watched something different to you. Thought he didn't stop running

He doesnít and his legs are still going like the clappers while his arse is on the ground, which is most of the time.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: TheRam on December 23, 2017, 08:59:37 PM
Fuck me Eden Hazard is an absolute joy to watch.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: American Evertonian on December 23, 2017, 09:00:03 PM
Hoping for 8 points over this period and starting off as I would have hoped (at minimum)
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 23, 2017, 09:02:17 PM
Fuck me Eden Hazard is an absolute joy to watch.

Was brilliant. Being able to glide past a defender opens up so much space for everyone else. We desperately need a playmaker. Sigurdsson was very good today but he's really not a playmaker.
Could do with barkley staying(though it seems unlikely)
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: The Analog Kid on December 23, 2017, 09:02:21 PM
Really don't get people complaining. They have 6 or 7 attacking outlets better than we have. We are missing a striker winger and playmaker of real quality and people want us to go out and open up against Chelsea

Thought we did great. They didn't really actually create much either. Allardyce is doing a fantastic job so far. Let's get bolasie back. Let's sign a striker. Let's get barkley back or a replacement in and see where we are then

Good football is overrated anyway. At the end of the day the results decide if we are smiling or not

Before allardyce we were talking about just surviving until the window. How none of our defenders were good enough. Look at us now. Unbeaten in 6. Conceded 2 in 6

Win, or at least draw, ugly. Couldnít give a fuck.

Iím enjoying the fact we arenít getting dicked any more, the team looks a lot happier, the fans more so and even the most stubborn members of NSNO are turning.

Just gotta work itís magic on GOT now. 😎
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Bluedylan on December 23, 2017, 09:04:44 PM
We've got a few players costing between £20-45m. We're not Huddersfield. Of course we should be playing some football. It'll do today but it will have to get better.

If we carry on playing like that and start to lose a few, if the deflections go in, or a long ranger flies in, people will get pissed off very quickly. 0 attempts on target at home should never be ok.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Macca77 on December 23, 2017, 09:06:01 PM
I was moaning to begjn with but let's not forget they were near enough full strength today, we're on our arses through injuries, its a good point
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: The Analog Kid on December 23, 2017, 09:06:53 PM
I was moaning to begjn with but let's not forget they were near enough full strength today, we're on our arses through injuries, its a good point

Even the changes they made were very strong. So much depth in that squad to cause damage.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Audrey Horne on December 23, 2017, 09:13:49 PM
Gana out for 4 games?
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Alanvideo on December 23, 2017, 09:19:04 PM
Don’t want to see us approach a home match like that ever again.

He can get away with at this point of his reign but post-January, these performances have to be a thing of the past.
...............does New Years Day count ? - cos it's going to be the same as today.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Dr. Sponge on December 23, 2017, 09:19:06 PM
We've got a few players costing between £20-45m. We're not Huddersfield. Of course we should be playing some football. It'll do today but it will have to get better.

If we carry on playing like that and start to lose a few, if the deflections go in, or a long ranger flies in, people will get pissed off very quickly. 0 attempts on target at home should never be ok.

It doesn't matter how much we've spent, because a lot of it was spent very badly. If we went toe to toe with Chelsea today, with the players available to us, then we get absolutely tonked. Although I do agree that a lot of players are very poor in possession this season, I just think we shouldn't be concerning ourselves with that as long as we are finally getting the results.

I don't care about the shots on targets stats at all.. the only stats that matter at the moment is our undefeated run. We can't ask for much more than that, especially when you consider how we were performing a couple of months ago.

The only way our form could have been better is by beating those knobheads at Anfield, or beating the reigning champions today.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: montanatoffeefan on December 23, 2017, 09:21:19 PM
Win, or at least draw, ugly. Couldn’t give a fuck.

Arsene Wenger just un-liked you on Facebook.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Bluedylan on December 23, 2017, 09:23:10 PM
It doesn't matter how much we've spent, because a lot of it was spent very badly. If we went toe to toe with Chelsea today, with the players available to us, then we get absolutely tonked. Although I do agree that a lot of players are very poor in possession this season, I just think we shouldn't be concerning ourselves with that as long as we are finally getting the results.

I don't care about the shots on targets stats at all.. the only stats that matter at the moment is our undefeated run. We can't ask for much more than that, especially when you consider how we were performing a couple of months ago.

The only way our form could have been better is by beating those knobheads at Anfield, or beating the reigning champions today.

Can people comprehend that there's a massive middle ground between all out defence/pure hoofball, and toe-to-toe?

No one is expecting toe-to-toe or dazzling football. Just the occasional bit of football as a starter. Allardyce said the same, so I'm hardly going out on a limb.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 23, 2017, 09:34:09 PM
Can people comprehend that there's a massive middle ground between all out defence/pure hoofball, and toe-to-toe?

No one is expecting toe-to-toe or dazzling football. Just the occasional bit of football as a starter. Allardyce said the same, so I'm hardly going out on a limb.

We need better players.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: GLewis on December 23, 2017, 09:35:39 PM
We've got a few players costing between £20-45m. We're not Huddersfield. Of course we should be playing some football. It'll do today but it will have to get better.

If we carry on playing like that and start to lose a few, if the deflections go in, or a long ranger flies in, people will get pissed off very quickly. 0 attempts on target at home should never be ok.

Weíve got some good players but not that many in the front positions.

No shots from the DCL tackle chance, Kenny crossing instead of pulling back just after half time, the Keane header and the the break where Azpilicueta tackled Sandro is due to not having top players in those areas.

We obviously need to be better overall but a clinical side can still be defensive and win the game.

We need a top forward.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: blueToffee on December 23, 2017, 09:37:52 PM
We need some genuine pace up top to make that kinda performance work better from an attacking standpoint.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: montanatoffeefan on December 23, 2017, 09:39:36 PM
Can people comprehend that there's a massive middle ground between all out defence/pure hoofball, and toe-to-toe?

No one is expecting toe-to-toe or dazzling football. Just the occasional bit of football as a starter. Allardyce said the same, so I'm hardly going out on a limb.

Think the issue right now is what a massive gap formed early this season between Everton and a competent football team that can defend or attack, much less effectively mix the two.

We were not some elite squad when Alardyce came in. We were a shambles, a rehab project that is now progressing nicely. Shoring up the defense has been the first part of it. Being able to hold Chelsea scoreless and earn a draw qualifies as a minor miracle considering where we were a couple months back.

The bigger miracles like being able to go out to beat top teams like Chelsea will take a while longer to develop. Though at this rate, we could well be doing it by spring.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on December 23, 2017, 09:41:22 PM
Watching that Davey Moyes team now, they attack like fuck.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Silas on December 23, 2017, 09:42:10 PM
Can i just say I thought Schneiderlin was good today
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 23, 2017, 09:45:30 PM
Can i just say I thought Schneiderlin was good today
Thought Martina had a good game too
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: The Analog Kid on December 23, 2017, 09:45:54 PM
Arsene Wenger just un-liked you on Facebook.

Fuck him, he looks like someoneís nan.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: The Analog Kid on December 23, 2017, 09:46:53 PM
Watching that Davey Moyes team now, they attack like fuck.

Itís still West Ham though innit. Like putting a slab of spam in a fillet steak packaging.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: GLewis on December 23, 2017, 09:48:59 PM
We need some genuine pace up top to make that kinda performance work better from an attacking standpoint.

Decision making is a big factor too.

Make the right pass / cross more often than not and the development of good positions is a lot easier.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Bluedylan on December 23, 2017, 09:49:24 PM
Think the issue right now is what a massive gap formed early this season between Everton and a competent football team that can defend or attack, much less effectively mix the two.

We were not some elite squad when Alardyce came in. We were a shambles, a rehab project that is now progressing nicely. Shoring up the defense has been the first part of it. Being able to hold Chelsea scoreless and earn a draw qualifies as a minor miracle considering where we were a couple months back.

The bigger miracles like being able to go out to beat top teams like Chelsea will take a while longer to develop. Though at this rate, we could well be doing it by spring.

I'll make this my last comment because I don't want to hog the comments.

I just don't agree with the premise. We had a much better squad than our position, we were 11th before Allardyce's first game and had just won 4-0. I don't think things were nearly as bad as some suggested, and I argued that any competent manager would steer us to safety with no trouble at all.

Sam has done well, so I'm not attacking him. The run of results has been strong, players have improved and credit to him for that.

All I'm saying is that these players are definitely capable of playing football (which Sam himself has stressed a lot) and I'm hoping to see some of it eventually (as Sam is).

I know it's been a rough season but no attempts on target shouldn't ever be acceptable for any Everton side at Goodison. And again, I'm sure Sam would completely agree with that. He knows he's not in a relegation scrap with a minnow and that it'll need to improve in possession.

Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on December 23, 2017, 09:50:21 PM
Itís still West Ham though innit. Like putting a slab of spam in a fillet steak packaging.
Don't know why but i'm enjoying him doing well this time.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: chang on December 23, 2017, 09:51:04 PM
Since West Ham, we have played 6 league games, won 4, drawn 2, scored 11, conceded 2, and 4 clean sheets.

14 points from 18 - with Liverpool and Chelsea thrown in.

People see this form as a problem ?
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: The Analog Kid on December 23, 2017, 09:51:50 PM
Don't know why but i'm enjoying him do well this time.

Yeah i like Moyes
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Audrey Horne on December 23, 2017, 09:52:53 PM
https://twitter.com/Tony_Scott11/status/944593375965085698
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on December 23, 2017, 09:53:19 PM
Since West Ham, we have played 6 league games, won 4, drawn 2, scored 11, conceded 2, and 4 clean sheets.

14 points from 18 - with Liverpool and Chelsea thrown in.

People see this form as a problem ?
We were staring relegation in the ball sack, so it has to be ok.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: The Analog Kid on December 23, 2017, 09:54:54 PM
https://twitter.com/Tony_Scott11/status/944593375965085698

Thatís it, Iím done.

Iím off to get pissed.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Audrey Horne on December 23, 2017, 09:55:25 PM
Thatís it, Iím done.

Iím off to get pissed.

lolol
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 23, 2017, 09:56:02 PM
Decision making is a big factor too.

Make the right pass / cross more often than not and the development of good positions is a lot easier.
Kenny was criminal for this second half, got into decent positions and went for 1 2 but didn't find his man so got caught in possession and out of position
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 23, 2017, 09:57:36 PM
If it's been said, sorry, where was rooney today?
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Audrey Horne on December 23, 2017, 09:57:51 PM
If it's been said, sorry, where was rooney today?

Flu
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 23, 2017, 09:58:09 PM
Flu
Ah, cheers
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Lxxx on December 23, 2017, 09:58:28 PM
Since West Ham, we have played 6 league games, won 4, drawn 2, scored 11, conceded 2, and 4 clean sheets.

14 points from 18 - with Liverpool and Chelsea thrown in.

People see this form as a problem ?

I donít think anyone on here has said our form is a problem. I donít know what point you are trying to make.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 23, 2017, 10:01:03 PM
No problem with form
Problem with not stringing passes together. I don't really care if we go long as long as then we get men up there and play
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Mayor Farnum on December 23, 2017, 10:03:05 PM
If it's been said, sorry, where was rooney today?

Phoned in sick. Take a dim view of that in our place Christmas week.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Simon Paul on December 23, 2017, 10:04:22 PM
No problem with form
Problem with not stringing passes together. I don't really care if we go long as long as then we get men up there and play

it's like people can't separate results from performances isn't it?

results are good, performances are just meh.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 23, 2017, 10:05:57 PM
it's like people can't separate results from performances isn't it?

results are good, performances are just meh.

Defensively we've been fantastic.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 23, 2017, 10:07:46 PM
it's like people can't separate results from performances isn't it?

results are good, performances are just meh.
I know it's a results based world but it's difficult to get excited about the performances

Admittedly I don't want us to lose but I get so annoyed when we are knocking ten yard ball to the opposition, five yard balls out and then 40 yard balls to dcl but the team being 40 yards away from him

Not a single shot on target, at home, that's a dire stat
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Simon Paul on December 23, 2017, 10:07:59 PM
Defensively we've been fantastic.

I've got to be honest here, and say that I'd much rather watch the opposition defend than watch Everton defend.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 23, 2017, 10:10:59 PM
I've got to be honest here, and say that I'd much rather watch the opposition defend than watch Everton defend.

So would I but then we need more quality in all the attacking positions. The performances have been good though on the back of great defending.

Good performances aren't just attacking play
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Simon Paul on December 23, 2017, 10:11:51 PM
So would I but then we need more quality in all the attacking positions. The performances have been good though on the back of great defending.

Good performances aren't just attacking play

they're not just defensive play either, they are a combination.  today we saw us being solid defensively in isolation from anything else.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: chang on December 23, 2017, 10:16:58 PM
I donít think anyone on here has said our form is a problem. I donít know what point you are trying to make.

Merry Christmas  ...... https://www.twtd.co.uk/league-tables/competition:premier-league/form/matches:6/type:home-and-away
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 23, 2017, 10:17:45 PM
they're not just defensive play either, they are a combination.  today we saw us being solid defensively in isolation from anything else.

Totally agree it's a combination and so far we are doing only half of it but we are doing it brilliantly.

We just don't have attacking players that control possession. We don't have a winger with genuine quality and we don't have a striker who can consistently hold it up. When these things change we'll get better performances in attack
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: School of Science on December 23, 2017, 10:21:54 PM
I've got to be honest here, and say that I'd much rather watch the opposition defend than watch Everton defend.

Agree with you, but before Allardyce this season we couldn't defend either. Don't forget a few weeks ago we were getting regularly stuffed, devoid of formation, hardly any tactics but to hide when in possession and playing totally without confidence. Keane played well today as did Williams and Jagielka, we have Holgate starring in defence, these are players who have been basically shite all season. Schneiderlin another who has come alive, whatever Sam says to them in still confidence. Today we had most of our flair attacking players missing through injury and illness, but nobody's talking about that. Let's see where we are in late January I for one am pleased with our progress so far with the same players.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: SANA_DR0 on December 23, 2017, 10:22:32 PM
that Martini... pretty solid at left back.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Bluedylan on December 23, 2017, 10:26:06 PM
Really happy with what I've seen from Sigurdsson last few weeks. Proper stood up and been counted and not let the price tag weigh him down.

Fans will love him if he keeps grafting like that, and he's the main one producing little moments of quality (apart from Rooney). Looking forward to us getting more out of him when we improve in possession.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: everton1952 on December 23, 2017, 10:27:21 PM
Great support from the crowd, right behind the team. Never seen so many beaming faces after a 0 -0 draw at home. Allardyce is working his magic with the minimum resources. Chelsea were superior in every position, yet we held them. Fantastic, onwards and upwards. Imagine if Keane had scored with that header.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: The Analog Kid on December 23, 2017, 10:28:34 PM
that Martini... pretty solid at left back.

The bevvy?
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Everton Mint on December 23, 2017, 10:30:30 PM
Tough game vs Chelsea at any time and without Rooney and a really top striker (DCL is just a stop gap) we cant expect to be taking the game to the likes of Chelsea.

We have shown by being the 2nd highest scoring Home team in 2017 that we can play well and score goals, its just not possible in this situation.

Happy with the draw and expect more later in the season after signing a striker and our top players are all fit.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Mayor Farnum on December 23, 2017, 10:39:41 PM
it's like people can't separate results from performances isn't it?

results are good, performances are just meh.

Or maybe they are just taking the quality of the opposition into consideration.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 23, 2017, 10:39:49 PM
Really happy with what I've seen from Sigurdsson last few weeks. Proper stood up and been counted and not let the price tag weigh him down.

Fans will love him if he keeps grafting like that, and he's the main one producing little moments of quality (apart from Rooney). Looking forward to us getting more out of him when we improve in possession.

Me too. Was very good today. Flashes of real quality, lots of neat and tidy play and amazing workrate. Do think he's more Pedro than hazard though. Not really a genuine playmaker more someone who has great moments rather than controls any games
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 23, 2017, 10:41:36 PM
Really happy with what I've seen from Sigurdsson last few weeks. Proper stood up and been counted and not let the price tag weigh him down.

Fans will love him if he keeps grafting like that, and he's the main one producing little moments of quality (apart from Rooney). Looking forward to us getting more out of him when we improve in possession.
His link up with rooney has been a real positive and he missed him today but he works hard and has moments of class. Fans will be happy with that
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: everton1952 on December 23, 2017, 10:48:50 PM
One bit of gloom I suppose is the performances of Davies who was poor again today. I guess he would not have played if Rooney had been fit. I don't think he has done anything to impress the new manager. Surely Vlasic is worth a run in the team and will probably get his chance in the next hectic weeks. It is remarkable that Cuco who was the butt of everyone's criticism earlier is doing a decent job at left back. It takes the urgency out of that position particularly if Baines gets back to half decent form. Oh for a striker though. I wonder who Sam has his eyes on?  Wonder where Koeman got it so wrong with the same squad?
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Bluedylan on December 23, 2017, 10:55:02 PM
One bit of gloom I suppose is the performances of Davies who was poor again today. I guess he would not have played if Rooney had been fit. I don't think he has done anything to impress the new manager. Surely Vlasic is worth a run in the team and will probably get his chance in the next hectic weeks. It is remarkable that Cuco who was the butt of everyone's criticism earlier is doing a decent job at left back. It takes the urgency out of that position particularly if Baines gets back to half decent form. Oh for a striker though. I wonder who Sam has his eyes on?  Wonder where Koeman got it so wrong with the same squad?

Kevin Gameiro
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Lxxx on December 23, 2017, 10:59:39 PM
Merry Christmas  ...... https://www.twtd.co.uk/league-tables/competition:premier-league/form/matches:6/type:home-and-away

Still not sure what point you are making but merry Christmas anyway.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Macca77 on December 23, 2017, 11:09:40 PM
Roll on January, gonna be interesting
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Cuttyblue on December 23, 2017, 11:10:52 PM
Weíve got some good players but not that many in the front positions.

No shots from the DCL tackle chance, Kenny crossing instead of pulling back just after half time, the Keane header and the the break where Azpilicueta tackled Sandro is due to not having top players in those areas.

We obviously need to be better overall but a clinical side can still be defensive and win the game.

We need a top forward.

We win today's game 1 or 2-0 with Lukaku or a similar top-line striker up there.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Macca77 on December 23, 2017, 11:20:00 PM
Would like to see a performance against West Brom like
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Silas on December 23, 2017, 11:28:57 PM
The shapes there, the organisation and hard work and fitness is there. The confidence that leads to good performances still isn't. That will come and I reckon at some point somebody is going to get walloped post January. In the meantime slow and steady progress is more than good enough
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 23, 2017, 11:34:43 PM
He needs to be careful after all the shite he's spouted about his first signing showing the way forward
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on December 23, 2017, 11:35:17 PM
Give or take a place we are were we'll finish with this squad and it's limits, not an Evertonian alive wouldn't have taken that pre Allardyce.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Heisenberg on December 23, 2017, 11:46:16 PM
Would like to see a performance against West Brom like

Well this is it. For me, horrible ugly points against the top sides are sound. Providing we beat the bin heads, which we have been doing. Don't get the negativity. We also have our 5 most creative players out
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: therealdunc on December 24, 2017, 12:21:27 AM
Totally agree it's a combination and so far we are doing only half of it but we are doing it brilliantly.

We just don't have attacking players that control possession. We don't have a winger with genuine quality and we don't have a striker who can consistently hold it up. When these things change we'll get better performances in attack

This is spot on

We donít have any top quality wingers in the squad (Bolasie pre injury was not top class)

We donít have any top quality strikers in the squad

You could even argue we donít have any top quality midfielders, Davies found out again today, Schneiderlin did OK and no more than OK.

A real quality box to box midfielder, winger (or 2) and striker (or 2) and we would be pushing at the right end of the table.

Allardyce didnít have many options today
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: montanatoffeefan on December 24, 2017, 12:26:02 AM
If it's been said, sorry, where was rooney today?

Flu

No, her name was "Flo"
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 24, 2017, 12:30:37 AM
No, her name was "Flo"
Hilarious as always
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Bluedylan on December 24, 2017, 12:32:51 AM
Think some people have forgotten that Tom Davies is 19, and is playing in the hardest part of the pitch against people like Kante. He tries the riskier passes and doesn't just crab his way around.

'Found out'...don't make me laugh.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: SANA_DR0 on December 24, 2017, 12:38:25 AM
The bevvy?

i think i've had a few 2 many of them, Martina was our best defender today!

totally different player on the left and with out koeman.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: blargins on December 24, 2017, 12:40:31 AM
Spurs beating Burnley is good news for us. That has to be the aim, to get past Leicester and Burnley. Think any higher is going to be a tough ask.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 24, 2017, 12:42:50 AM
Spurs beating Burnley is good news for us. That has to be the aim, to get past Leicester and Burnley. Think any higher is going to be a tough ask.

Totally agree. Playing for 7th. Anything else would be an absolute miracle. Rather the top 6 beat our rivals for that
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Confucius on December 24, 2017, 12:43:43 AM
Spurs dropping points is always good. Burnley will drop away after xmas.

Our problem is we don't have good enough technical players linking midfield and attack. Someone like Klassen would be ideal if we could get him going.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 24, 2017, 12:45:17 AM
Spurs dropping points is always good. Burnley will drop away after xmas.

Our problem is we don't have good enough technical players linking midfield and attack. Someone like Klassen would be ideal if we could get him going.
But he's offered nothing
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Confucius on December 24, 2017, 12:47:22 AM
But he's offered nothing

Yes I agree. It might not be him but someone gifted technically like Hazard is. I think Klassen would look 10x the player now if given a game when we defending better
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: blargins on December 24, 2017, 12:52:24 AM
I think he would offer something now the team is more settled and structured. Before everyone was thrown together without any kind of plan.

Soon will be the time to give him a chance.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Mayor Farnum on December 24, 2017, 12:58:17 AM
It wasn't a game to risk Klassen today but he needs a chance in a fixture were we'll have more possession.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Lxxx on December 24, 2017, 01:02:55 AM
Spurs dropping points is always good. Burnley will drop away after xmas.

Our problem is we don't have good enough technical players linking midfield and attack. Someone like Klassen would be ideal if we could get him going.
It'd be ideal if we can get him going back to Ajax for somewhere clsoe to what we paid so we can buy a player we need. 
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Simon Paul on December 24, 2017, 01:10:00 AM
Or maybe they are just taking the quality of the opposition into consideration.

like the first half against Huddersfield?

or against Newcastle?

the results are good, but we're playing some proper boring football at times, even against utter shite sides like those above.

oh, and Palace.

Allardyce is working his magic with the minimum resources.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Merry Christmas lad, I'm off for some of that sherry!
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Mayor Farnum on December 24, 2017, 01:17:43 AM
like the first half against Huddersfield?

or against Newcastle?

the results are good, but we're playing some proper boring football at times, even against utter shite sides like those above.

oh, and Palace.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Merry Christmas lad, I'm off for some of that sherry!

Surely you would admit that even Ian Holloway would struggle to get ninety minute performances out of the plodders and cloggers  Sam has at his disposal.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Simon Paul on December 24, 2017, 01:20:28 AM
Surely you would admit that even Ian Holloway would struggle to get ninety minute performances out of the plodders and cloggers  Sam has at his disposal.

sorry, is this the same squad as we had in August that people are referring to here?
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Mayor Farnum on December 24, 2017, 01:23:09 AM
sorry, is this the same squad as we had in August that people are referring to here?

Yes, an awful unbalanced squad that the top six wouldn't consider taking a single outfield player off us. Minus a few injuries since August by the way.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: therealdunc on December 24, 2017, 01:26:37 AM
like the first half against Huddersfield?

or against Newcastle?

the results are good, but we're playing some proper boring football at times, even against utter shite sides like those above.

oh, and Palace.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Merry Christmas lad, I'm off for some of that sherry!

Hi Simon,
Your coming across as really bitter

Seems Sam can do no right

There were so few options going forward today, the same circumstances that Sam has faced since taking over, yet people expect miracles in both defence and attack

Really donít get it

This month was all about getting as many points as possible, nothing else

Your judging s manager on 6 games with someone elseís unbalanced squad including a game vs the champs and a game away at our rivals who we havenít beaten in decades at their place
Really harsh
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 24, 2017, 01:36:24 AM
Hi Simon,
Your coming across as really bitter

Seems Sam can do no right

There were so few options going forward today, the same circumstances that Sam has faced since taking over, yet people expect miracles in both defence and attack

Really donít get it

This month was all about getting as many points as possible, nothing else

Your judging s manager on 6 games with someone elseís unbalanced squad including a game vs the champs and a game away at our rivals who we havenít beaten in decades at their place
Really harsh

That's not the half of it though. We've 14 points from them 6 games and he's judging him negatively

How's silva doing who half the forum wanted based on nothing really. They are 4pts behind us now and I think allardyce gave him a 9pt start. Had he come here and produced watfords recent form we'd be in the middle of a relegation battle now
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: bluenuck on December 24, 2017, 01:38:08 AM
whats the news on Gueye?

How long?
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Simon Paul on December 24, 2017, 01:38:45 AM
Yes, an awful unbalanced squad that the top six wouldn't consider taking a single outfield player off us. Minus a few injuries since August by the way.

we all know what we wrote back in August.  There's no need for me to waste time trawling through your posts to bring it back up.

Hi Simon,
Your coming across as really bitter

Seems Sam can do no right

There were so few options going forward today, the same circumstances that Sam has faced since taking over, yet people expect miracles in both defence and attack

Really donít get it

This month was all about getting as many points as possible, nothing else

Your judging s manager on 6 games with someone elseís unbalanced squad including a game vs the champs and a game away at our rivals who we havenít beaten in decades at their place
Really harsh

if by "bitter" you mean someone who wants to see his side play good football then yes, you are spot on.

xxx
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Simon Paul on December 24, 2017, 01:41:42 AM
That's not the half of it though. We've 14 points from them 6 games and he's judging him negatively

How's silva doing who half the forum wanted based on nothing really. They are 4pts behind us now and I think allardyce gave him a 9pt start. Had he come here and produced watfords recent form we'd be in the middle of a relegation battle now

I'm judging the football played

But like I said three pages ago, it's like people like you can't separate performances from results.

Still, a win's a win.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Mayor Farnum on December 24, 2017, 01:42:30 AM

we all know what we wrote back in August.  There's no need for me to waste time trawling through your posts to bring it back up.

if by "bitter" you mean someone who wants to see his side play good football then yes, you are spot on.

xxx

You would be wasting your time if you think I got giddy because we overpaid for lower-half Premier League players and imports from two-team leagues in Europe.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: sam of the south on December 24, 2017, 01:44:27 AM
like the first half against Huddersfield?

or against Newcastle?

the results are good, but we're playing some proper boring football at times, even against utter shite sides like those above.

oh, and Palace.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Merry Christmas lad, I'm off for some of that sherry!

Blimey, Si.

How would you be reacting if we were actually losing games under Allardyce? 😳

It has had a whiff of Moyes' knife to a gunfight philosophy, but let's not forget just how open and panicked we looked before Allardyce and his backroom team arrived in the building.
(Not giving his crew all the credit for the West Ham performance, but knowing a totally new broom was sweeping clean would definitely have an effect on most at the club, whether that be optimism, relief, or fear)
 
And we are currently doing ok, even with the hapless Martina and Williams who are part of a now stingy defence, a midfield with a dearth of creativity, wings lacking real inspiration, and a forward group that is among the weakest in the division.

Our summer recruitment was shown up under both Koeman's and Unsworth's respective reigns to be lopsided at best, and disatrous at worst; it is apparent to me that Lukaku and Barkley really carried us last year, and neither were replaced (top-class striker and ball carrying midfielder) 

If we are still playing solidly and conservatively after the January Window has closed yet we are also starting to lose our fair share of games, then I agree that the appointment of Allardyce and his staff will not be to my liking.

However, if we carry on winning and not losing, and there is steady improvement in our ambition on the pitch I will be cool with it all, just like I am now.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 24, 2017, 01:46:16 AM

we all know what we wrote back in August.  There's no need for me to waste time trawling through your posts to bring it back up.

if by "bitter" you mean someone who wants to see his side play good football then yes, you are spot on.

xxx


I think he just means bitter. You had a very negative opinion on allardyce when he came. An opinion shared by most. Most have softened with the results and his interviews. You just refuse to

Good football such as what? When did we ever play good football. 1 year under Martinez. Couple of seasons here and there under Moyes. So 3 or 4 seasons of maybe the last 20. Let you give allardyce no time to get his own players in before making judgements and that despite the results being fantastic

Utd don't play good football. Liverpool don't get the results they should because they are as lobsided as us (attack to our defence) and not half as pragmatic.

I'd love to see us play good football but we don't have quality attacking players. Who did you want? Who's this mythical manager that would have turned DCL into Aguero. Lennon into Salah. Sigurdsson into Pogba??

We were hopeless. We are now winning and defensively we've been superb. Enjoy it.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 24, 2017, 01:46:50 AM
Surely you would admit that even Ian Holloway would struggle to get ninety minute performances out of the plodders and cloggers  Sam has at his disposal.
This squad is not full of plodders and cloggers tho
It's a side that finished comfortably 7th last season
Needed a new keeper, we signed the best English talent
Needed a new cb, signed a player who was massively rated and a full international
Needed creativity, signed sigurdsson and rooney
Needed a cf, fucked that up

Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on December 24, 2017, 01:47:09 AM
Hard to enjoy not having a single shot on target at home though isn't it.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: therealdunc on December 24, 2017, 01:50:46 AM

I think he just means bitter. You had a very negative opinion on allardyce when he came. An opinion shared by most. Most have softened with the results and his interviews. You just refuse to

Good football such as what? When did we ever play good football. 1 year under Martinez. Couple of seasons here and there under Moyes. So 3 or 4 seasons of maybe the last 20. Let you give allardyce no time to get his own players in before making judgements and that despite the results being fantastic

Utd don't play good football. Liverpool don't get the results they should because they are as lobsided as us (attack to our defence) and not half as pragmatic.

I'd love to see us play good football but we don't have quality attacking players. Who did you want? Who's this mythical manager that would have turned DCL into Aguero. Lennon into Salah. Sigurdsson into Pogba??

We were hopeless. We are now winning and defensively we've been superb. Enjoy it.

This is it

Everton have never been famous for playing good football

We never have

We do not have a philosophy and the school of science stuff is bollocks

Everton play to win leagues and cups, and thatís all I want is to do
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: bluenuck on December 24, 2017, 01:51:39 AM
heated in here for us being undefeated in the last 6 league games...

defensively we're sorted now. We're not at all very pleasing on the eye going forward though. Let's see if Allardyce can figure out how to get us going forward now.

chill.

Anyway, How long is gueye gone for??
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: therealdunc on December 24, 2017, 01:53:04 AM
This squad is not full of plodders and cloggers tho
It's a side that finished comfortably 7th last season
Needed a new keeper, we signed the best English talent
Needed a new cb, signed a player who was massively rated and a full international
Needed creativity, signed sigurdsson and rooney
Needed a cf, fucked that up

Sold out best player, signed 4 slow number 10s and no wingers
Failed to move on ageing defenders
Didnít sign a left back
People are judging big sam on Koemans recruitment

Give Sam 2 transfer windows to get players in and more importantly out, then judge him
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Simon Paul on December 24, 2017, 02:05:02 AM
Hard to enjoy not having a single shot on target at home though isn't it.

Easier for some than is comfortable to be honest
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: blueski on December 24, 2017, 02:19:44 AM
when we have an actual striking talent capable of putting 15+ in the net a season I think its fair to have a go at Allardyce for being negative

who have we got? DCL? like him but lets be fair he's 2 solid years from being the goods if groomed carefully and sent out on loan to the right places. Rooney? fan favourite but he hasn't the legs anymore to threaten the league's best CB's one on one. Lennon? Solid tryer with a bit of pace who's past his shelf life and could never shoot or cross. Sig? Good allround player but capable of leading the line? no. Niasse - another tryer who just isn't good enough.

So Allardyce could play positive and lose or do what he's doing and grind out results.

Meanwhile he'll have to take some stick from some I guess. The concern will be whether or not we bring in actual forward talent to get us where we want to go or not. We couldn't hold on to Lukaku and didn't replace him and now have to convince a new Lukaku or 3 to come and play under Allardyce.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 24, 2017, 02:21:01 AM
I couldn't see any striker scoring 15 plus from open play in our side tbh
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on December 24, 2017, 02:25:45 AM
Hopefully he'll only be here 5 or 6 years Si, when he walks out the tunnel on match day with his jammas,dressing gown and a shower cap on it'll be time to worry.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on December 24, 2017, 02:29:35 AM
Was Davies injured or was he taken off because he was terrible today? Not had the benefit of any replay or highlights.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Silas on December 24, 2017, 02:33:47 AM
This teams definitely capable of playing better football but I don't think anyone from the players to Allardyce to the fans believe different do they?
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: bluenuck on December 24, 2017, 02:50:01 AM
This teams definitely capable of playing better football but I don't think anyone from the players to Allardyce to the fans believe different do they?

I do.

And I don't mind how we played today at all.

Next 2 games I'd like to see different though as we will be able to be on the front foot more and put more players forward.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: burkey17 on December 24, 2017, 02:57:01 AM
Si- been on the sherry lad or too many sleepless night or are you being a wum- haha!
Respect your opinions and like the majority of the fanbase didn't want Big Sam. Saying that you didn't like Koeman either.
Hey ho that was hard to watch today and obviously set up to get a point. I wished I had gone Christmas shopping.... not.... because it's what we do going the game. What I would do to have one of Hazard, Willian or Pedro, I'm not greedy. Great expectations eh. We played the League Champions today. Yes it wasn't pretty and I never saw much from our side offensively but 3 weeks? ago after being stuffed by Southampton I thought the worst and points wise we have risen from 17th to 9th. I'll take the points for now and yes performances are meh but I'll take that for now and hopefully we will progress in the New Year. Merry Christmas one and all!
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: van der Meyde on December 24, 2017, 03:03:55 AM
Despite the cost of our players, I think it's probably a bit much to expect them to improve in all facets in less than a month.

Even at the best of times under Koeman we weren't a great footballing side.

We've made great strides in terms of defensive organisation which is enough for me. Once the basics are ingrained, hopefully we can build on that foundation. I certainly don't think decent football is impossible with Allardyce's guiding principles (play the first ball forward, don't give it away in the defensive third etc.).
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: DanDan on December 24, 2017, 03:27:07 AM
Was Davies injured or was he taken off because he was terrible today? Not had the benefit of any replay or highlights.
I would say the latter one based on my view
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Lxxx on December 24, 2017, 03:32:11 AM
I couldn't see any striker scoring 15 plus from open play in our side tbh

I'd back Rooney to beat that this season.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: bacon sarnie on December 24, 2017, 03:45:33 AM
On the way up. Too bad 10 man Leicester just drew with United. Missed the match but going by this thread and the Guardian we put up a mighty shield to thwart Conte's men who unlike Klopp & Benitez didn't whinge and whine about it.

Pickford or Keane MOTM by the sound of things?
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 24, 2017, 03:57:07 AM
I'd back Rooney to beat that this season.
Open play?
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Mayor Farnum on December 24, 2017, 03:59:54 AM
Open play?

Technically his first goal against West Ham was from open play.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: American Evertonian on December 24, 2017, 04:49:57 AM
I do.

And I don't mind how we played today at all.

Next 2 games I'd like to see different though as we will be able to be on the front foot more and put more players forward.

I don't mind how we played either. Think we played how we had to and got a result. I expect our setup against Utd to be the same.

One point is more than we could have had with Koeman.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: TheRam on December 24, 2017, 05:46:32 AM
Open play?

He'll certainly get close to that figure and that's from midfield.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 24, 2017, 06:43:21 AM
He'll certainly get close to that figure and that's from midfield.
I really hope he does
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: School of Science on December 24, 2017, 08:28:05 AM
I'm judging the football played

But like I said three pages ago, it's like people like you can't separate performances from results.

Still, a win's a win.

So was the football so good with Koeman and the same team earlier in the season ?
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: blue1948 on December 24, 2017, 11:10:14 AM
I couldn't see any striker scoring 15 plus from open play in our side tbh
Come on Jimmy ,we just sold one !
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: blue1948 on December 24, 2017, 11:17:02 AM
I was devastated when we took Sam on and I am still gutted that we had to do it but fair play to him and his team,anyone who supports us would have taken the points and results in the blink of an eye .That doesn't mean I am as happy as a dog with two dicks but it means I am pleased with the points and results and looking forward to see what he does in January.THis is the biggest club job he has ever had and I feel his team realise that and that they need to get this one right .I will  never be happy in my heart with the two Sams though.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: therealdunc on December 24, 2017, 02:12:07 PM
I was devastated when we took Sam on and I am still gutted that we had to do it but fair play to him and his team,anyone who supports us would have taken the points and results in the blink of an eye .That doesn't mean I am as happy as a dog with two dicks but it means I am pleased with the points and results and looking forward to see what he does in January.THis is the biggest club job he has ever had and I feel his team realise that and that they need to get this one right .I will  never be happy in my heart with the two Sams though.

Your position is Really sad ,
I couldnít stand Moyes and I got lots of stick on forums including being banned from blue kipper and toffeeweb for criticising him, but I still supported the club 100%

Everyone should be judged on results , not hearsay

If we win a trophy, that is all that matters
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on December 24, 2017, 02:20:35 PM
A way forward for us that really really works is calling young talent shite, Tom Davies the latest, young, very talented, blue as it gets, had the mis-fortune to be under the awful Koeman, which would help nobody.
Barkely the same young, very talented served under Martinez and Koeman for fucks sake, had 2 bad injuries at vital times as well, he's now a brain dead traitor according to many.  Even going back to John Stones booed for turning inside once too often in his teenage years, and he's really turned out shite.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Bluedylan on December 24, 2017, 02:29:02 PM
Your position is Really sad ,
I couldnít stand Moyes and I got lots of stick on forums including being banned from blue kipper and toffeeweb for criticising him, but I still supported the club 100%

Everyone should be judged on results , not hearsay

If we win a trophy, that is all that matters

Let people have their opinion and stop badgering everyone who disagrees with you. There's loads of people who agree with @blue1948 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4273) , and they have perfectly valid reasons for feeling that way. You're coming across as an Allardyce fundamentalist, and not recognising that people might just feel differently to you and that that's ok.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Rodenplav64 on December 24, 2017, 02:37:05 PM
I really expected Big Sam to beat Chelsea 5-0 after 5 games in charge. Oh well .
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 24, 2017, 02:48:25 PM
Let people have their opinion and stop badgering everyone who disagrees with you. There's loads of people who agree with @blue1948 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4273) , and they have perfectly valid reasons for feeling that way. You're coming across as an Allardyce fundamentalist, and not recognising that people might just feel differently to you and that that's ok.

To be fair saying I'll never be happy regardless is the sad standpoint.

I like allardyce but I'm not happy regardless. I expect a certain level in terms of results. Baffled as to how someone can say they are always going to be unhappy regardless of what he does
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Bluedylan on December 24, 2017, 02:52:58 PM
To be fair saying I'll never be happy regardless is the sad standpoint.

I like allardyce but I'm not happy regardless. I expect a certain level in terms of results. Baffled as to how someone can say they are always going to be unhappy regardless of what he does

Can't speak for him, but might just not like the fella. Who knows? Everybody has their reasons, to paraphrase an old film director.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on December 24, 2017, 03:03:25 PM

I think he just means bitter. You had a very negative opinion on allardyce when he came. An opinion shared by most. Most have softened with the results and his interviews. You just refuse to

Good football such as what? When did we ever play good football. 1 year under Martinez. Couple of seasons here and there under Moyes. So 3 or 4 seasons of maybe the last 20. Let you give allardyce no time to get his own players in before making judgements and that despite the results being fantastic

Utd don't play good football. Liverpool don't get the results they should because they are as lobsided as us (attack to our defence) and not half as pragmatic.

I'd love to see us play good football but we don't have quality attacking players. Who did you want? Who's this mythical manager that would have turned DCL into Aguero. Lennon into Salah. Sigurdsson into Pogba??

We were hopeless. We are now winning and defensively we've been superb. Enjoy it.
Guardiolaís fault - heís turned the majority of footy fans into whinging dickheads with a ridiculous sense of entitlement when it comes to the style of football they expect their team to play.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Bluedylan on December 24, 2017, 03:10:13 PM
Guardiolaís fault - heís turned the majority of footy fans into whinging dickheads with a ridiculous sense of entitlement when it comes to the style of football they expect their team to play.

Yeah we never had disagreements about style of play when Moyes was here, or Martinez or Koeman. It's definitely a completely new thing.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: sirblue57 on December 24, 2017, 03:29:37 PM
Getting really pathetic here. I didn't want Sam, still not what I want , despite results. Was not keen on Martinez or Koeman. Thought both were bad decisions. Especially Martinez.
 But the vitriol against moyes? I will never fully understood. When he came we were a joke.
He turned the club round, and did it with fuck all, yeah there were bad times, but none like Smith etc.
Yeah he probably stayed to long, left a bad taste. But I will always thank him for some of the players he signed for buttons. And we did play some good football under him.
Sam has shown a similar mindset, don't  concede and you will get a point.
Not pretty, but effective.
But I am not judging him yet....the board and our DoF however, I am waiting to see the next move from them, they have to decide if they are going to back Sam or if he is actually a stopgap. If he is, our signings will reflect that and we will know where we are going from there.
However, if they back him , we will see by the signings he makes if he is the manager we want.
Moyes never got the chances that the last 3 managers had with financial backing, yet still brought some excellent players in.
Over to you Sam.....and Mr Moshiri...
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Simon Paul on December 24, 2017, 03:39:30 PM
Getting really pathetic here. I didn't want Sam, still not what I want , despite results. Was not keen on Martinez or Koeman. Thought both were bad decisions. Especially Martinez.
 But the vitriol against moyes? I will never fully understood. When he came we were a joke.
He turned the club round, and did it with fuck all, yeah there were bad times, but none like Smith etc.
Yeah he probably stayed to long, left a bad taste. But I will always thank him for some of the players he signed for buttons. And we did play some good football under him.
Sam has shown a similar mindset, don't  concede and you will get a point.
Not pretty, but effective.
But I am not judging him yet....the board and our DoF however, I am waiting to see the next move from them, they have to decide if they are going to back Sam or if he is actually a stopgap. If he is, our signings will reflect that and we will know where we are going from there.
However, if they back him , we will see by the signings he makes if he is the manager we want.
Moyes never got the chances that the last 3 managers had with financial backing, yet still brought some excellent players in.
Over to you Sam.....and Mr Moshiri...

Moyes stayed too long. Not his fault he was offered the biggest contracts of his life though.

He steadied us and moved us forward from where we were. He should have been a springboard but the board had no money.

His football went from the sublime to ridiculous though and playing two up top was swearing at him. He hated "showboating" as he called it (schooling the arsenal midfield as we called it) and let his ego swell - again though, not his fault people fawned over him despite his shortcomings.

Did well with what he had, but showed at United that "what he had" was actually his level. A level we should have moved on from in 2010
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: everton1952 on December 24, 2017, 04:15:39 PM
Hard to enjoy not having a single shot on target at home though isn't it.
Most of the people I saw had smirks on their faces leaving the ground.  Wonder why? Guess they enjoyed frustrating the champions with our team of not so good players. Pity you didn't enjoy that and did not get your money's worth. I was well pleased.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: brap2 on December 24, 2017, 04:23:03 PM
Didnít really enjoy watching it but was relieved to get a point.

Being completely honest I think weíve rode our luck a number of times since sam come in, and itís probably a matter of time.

However, few months ago I thought we were proper fucked. If the plan is to provide solidity then gradually introduce more front footy then OK, thatís his next test I think.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on December 24, 2017, 04:51:46 PM
Most of the people I saw had smirks on their faces leaving the ground.  Wonder why? Guess they enjoyed frustrating the champions with our team of not so good players. Pity you didn't enjoy that and did not get your money's worth. I was well pleased.

Ye it was great watching us survive at home.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Lxxx on December 24, 2017, 04:59:19 PM
Open play?

Yeh I reckon think so. Confidence is high and if he stays fit then he'll be at the heart of everything we do attacking-wise. 
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Rodenplav64 on December 24, 2017, 05:13:27 PM
Yeah we never had disagreements about style of play when Moyes was here, or Martinez or Koeman. It's definitely a completely new thing.

My main gripe with Koeman was he didn't seem to have a style or a game plan and we looked like headless chickens . I loved that we beat Chelsea fairly and squarely under Martinez but they humiliated us twice under Koeman . Because of that I am quite happy with yesterdays result . The Allardyce appointment didn't exactly inspire me but I will get behind him and the team as that is what we at least now resemble , a team . If players like Martina lack a bit of ability but play to the max of the ability they do have then hats of to defensive organisation until we can get our better players back or new ones in .
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Simon Paul on December 24, 2017, 05:15:33 PM
I'll say this about Sam Allardyce....he's not Ronald
Koeman, and anyone who isn't Ronald koeman is already better than Ronald koeman
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: blue1948 on December 24, 2017, 05:44:58 PM
Your position is Really sad ,
I couldnít stand Moyes and I got lots of stick on forums including being banned from blue kipper and toffeeweb for criticising him, but I still supported the club 100%

Everyone should be judged on results , not hearsay

If we win a trophy, that is all that matters
Who did I criticise ?
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Ross on December 24, 2017, 05:52:59 PM
I canít understand how someone hates Moyes to the point of being banned from other forums yet turns out to be a massive disciple of Allardyce.


Oh hang on I think Iíve just figured it out!
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Macca77 on December 24, 2017, 05:54:50 PM
Horrible football to watch right now, yes we're getting results but we can't continue to just hoof it anywhere all the time, hes sort of said that himself, i still don't want him here, but let's see where we are when we have players back from injury and maybe a few new faces in next month.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: blue1948 on December 24, 2017, 05:55:16 PM
Just a word on my thoughts .I am behind Big Sam for the sole reason that he just might bring the cup to Goodison,it would be so nice to get a trophy before she is retired .I respect his knowledge and experience ,something that  has pleasantly surprised me .I think he is a more than competent manager who has the job of his life and I wish him luck and every success .He just isn't the one for me .
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: Bally on December 24, 2017, 05:58:31 PM
I'll say this about Sam Allardyce....he's not Ronald
Koeman, and anyone who isn't Ronald koeman is already better than Ronald koeman
Except Martinez... Deffo not him
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: sirblue57 on December 24, 2017, 05:59:12 PM
Moyes stayed too long. Not his fault he was offered the biggest contracts of his life though.

He steadied us and moved us forward from where we were. He should have been a springboard but the board had no money.

His football went from the sublime to ridiculous though and playing two up top was swearing at him. He hated "showboating" as he called it (schooling the arsenal midfield as we called it) and let his ego swell - again though, not his fault people fawned over him despite his shortcomings.

Did well with what he had, but showed at United that "what he had" was actually his level. A level we should have moved on from in 2010

Sorry but have to disagree with some of that. Look at his tenure without prejudice.
His first "5 year plan" was immense. Did so much right. The next phase did not happen because the funding was not there, and continual failure to provide this did not help. Imo, he should have walked then , it would have shown the board and its failings in all its forms. But he was to honourable maybe.
And his friendship with Bill was ultimately his biggest flaw, he was on a hiding to nothing eventually. Man U was the wrong club at the wrong time, no one would have succeeded after AF.
Wether you like it or not, we owe him more than we owe the board at the time. And it's time for the snide comments and childish stuff about him to stop.
He deserves better...and we ARE better than that. We treated Shankley with respect. Let's thank DM for his input and.move on.
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: sirblue57 on December 24, 2017, 06:06:04 PM
And as for showboating..look at his reaction to Osman v Larissa, or Pienaar v Arsenal. There are others but i feel that is enough.
But if not, look how he almost purred about Yakubu sending two defenders "for a pie and a bovril" Iirc.   Yeah, but he didn't like showboating.....
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: therealdunc on December 25, 2017, 02:51:15 PM
Sorry but have to disagree with some of that. Look at his tenure without prejudice.
His first "5 year plan" was immense. Did so much right. The next phase did not happen because the funding was not there, and continual failure to provide this did not help. Imo, he should have walked then , it would have shown the board and its failings in all its forms. But he was to honourable maybe.
And his friendship with Bill was ultimately his biggest flaw, he was on a hiding to nothing eventually. Man U was the wrong club at the wrong time, no one would have succeeded after AF.
Wether you like it or not, we owe him more than we owe the board at the time. And it's time for the snide comments and childish stuff about him to stop.
He deserves better...and we ARE better than that. We treated Shankley with respect. Let's thank DM for his input and.move on.

Shankly won trophyís

Moyes was negative, predictable and too scared to try and win games

One crap over rated manager who has been found out

Someone who never takes responsibilty for his failings

Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: sirblue57 on December 25, 2017, 06:24:30 PM
Shankly won trophyís

Moyes was negative, predictable and too scared to try and win games

One crap over rated manager who has been found out

Someone who never takes responsibilty for his failings


Well that was a well thought out and informative response....
Title: Re: Everton v Chelsea
Post by: montanatoffeefan on December 26, 2017, 11:11:07 PM
Think the issue right now is what a massive gap formed early this season between Everton and a competent football team that can defend or attack, much less effectively mix the two.

We were not some elite squad when Alardyce came in. We were a shambles, a rehab project that is now progressing nicely. Shoring up the defense has been the first part of it. Being able to hold Chelsea scoreless and earn a draw qualifies as a minor miracle considering where we were a couple months back.

The bigger miracles like being able to go out to beat top teams like Chelsea will take a while longer to develop. Though at this rate, we could well be doing it by spring.

Shut out by the Saggies today...okay, I get it--we have a real problem in attack.