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Title: Lookman
Post by: Topper on January 06, 2018, 06:29:11 AM
I really hope this lad gets a run from now to the end of the season. His last game that I can remember was when he scored the 2 goals in Cyprus and has hardly featured since, yet tonight when he came on I thought he was excellent and gave us a real spark which we have been missing.  Him and Bolaise on either wing gave us a real out ball at times and surely with Vlasic available too we should be utilizing these players when we have been shite going forward.  Hopefully with players fitness coming back and a new striker to bed in we should already be planning for next season and get this batch of players gelling.

Yes at times he will lose the ball and it might be frustrating at times but I really think he has the potential to be a really good player if we could give him a run of games.  I know some people said he should be sent out on loan like Dowell but surely seeing we have nothing to play for now (hopefully we aren't dragged back into the lower end of the table) it is an ideal time to give him a run in the Prem to give him & Vlasic some game time as I think it has showed how well Kenny is adapting to the league with game time and how he will hopefully become the natural successor to Seamus.

I think I am just worried that he will become frustrated at the lack of game time and ask for a move back down to London where he rips up the league and shows his potential.  I know he can be raw but  I do hope there is a diamond in there and we don't shoot ourselves in the foot by not giving the lad an opportunity.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: brap2 on January 06, 2018, 06:30:34 AM
Play my man
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Ross on January 06, 2018, 06:46:32 AM
ďDoesnít track his runnersĒ.....
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: bluenuck on January 06, 2018, 01:50:09 PM
I wish he started.

Let the kids fucking play. I'm sure they can get us 13 more points.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: therealdunc on January 06, 2018, 02:01:57 PM
He still looked a bit raw, nothing yesterday to suggest he should be starting but definitely should be involved from the bench

Gilfy much better in the middle
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Juanito on January 06, 2018, 02:03:41 PM
Here here. Having Sigurdsson work his socks off at left wing/wing back when we smash our transfer record for him makes no sense. I mentioned in the other thread but having him in his natural position with pace, skill and power either side of him, encouraged me.

As Kenny, Holgate, Davies and DCL have proved, by improving with  first team football, so will Lookman. If these five stay together in and amongst the first team at Everton for a few years, we could have the nucleus of a very exciting young English side.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Rodenplav64 on January 06, 2018, 02:06:38 PM
I want to see him and Vlasic feature a bit more from the bench . More so now we have invested in a striker . He makes mistakes but he will learn from them and his final ball will be better when he has someone to pick out .
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Paddockoldie on January 06, 2018, 02:38:34 PM
With regards to LÚokman making mistakes,   it was accepted as part if his development when Stones made them and they cost us more because of his position.
If he doesn't get more oppertunities someone else will offer them... needs to know he's a first team choice and he's worth the chance. He deffo changes our attack when he comes on. Him and Bolasie out wide with Tosun in the middle. .. mmm
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Lxxx on January 06, 2018, 03:21:11 PM
I wouldnít be averse to him going elsewhere until the end of the season if heís guaranteed a game every week.
Needs to learn and grow like Dowell is doing.

Letís be honest, these flashes donít cover up the fact heís not ready for Premier League football every week.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: gizzblue on January 06, 2018, 05:23:23 PM
Play him against the shitter sides as we're only really playing for league position now ...nothing else.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: MexicanToffee on January 06, 2018, 10:43:44 PM
I wouldnít be averse to him going elsewhere until the end of the season if heís guaranteed a game every week.
Needs to learn and grow like Dowell is doing.

Letís be honest, these flashes donít cover up the fact heís not ready for Premier League football every week.
Yes, he still looks a little to raw but the flashes are very encouraging. Reminds me a lot of Adrian Heath when he first joined us and his diminutive size never held him back.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: brap2 on January 07, 2018, 12:06:44 AM
Seasons gone really so wouldnít be adverse to playing him more, get him ready to kick on next year.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Thomas on January 07, 2018, 06:36:05 PM
All the lads on the Celtic forum where raving about him after seeing his peformance vs the shite. They want him on loan haha
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Polledreng on January 07, 2018, 06:43:47 PM
Yes, he still looks a little to raw but the flashes are very encouraging. Reminds me a lot of Adrian Heath when he first joined us and his diminutive size never held him back.
If he will end up half the player Adrian was I'll be very pleased
Title: Lookman
Post by: eugene on January 07, 2018, 08:41:26 PM
Lookman is possibly our best young prospect and dare I say the best young player in the country, he wants more game time and rightly so however let's play him as we and the whole premier know what we have
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: JordanianEmbassy on January 07, 2018, 10:38:25 PM
Agree. Absolutely no reason to send him out on loan, he's already spent his time in the lower divisions - he's not some academy player who has only played in the U23s
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Bluedylan on January 07, 2018, 10:44:02 PM
Agree. Absolutely no reason to send him out on loan, he's already spent his time in the lower divisions - he's not some academy player who has only played in the U23s

It's more if he's only going to be involved 1 game in every 5, then he might as well go and play at the top of the Championship or at the bottom of the Prem every week.

We've got fuck all to actually play for. Amongst other things, Allardyce will earn plenty of credit with the sceptics if he starts playing Lookman and Vlasic regularly and making them into full fledged Prem players for next season.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Escla on January 08, 2018, 02:14:11 AM
It's more if he's only going to be involved 1 game in every 5, then he might as well go and play at the top of the Championship or at the bottom of the Prem every week.

We've got fuck all to actually play for. Amongst other things, Allardyce will earn plenty of credit with the sceptics if he starts playing Lookman and Vlasic regularly and making them into full fledged Prem players for next season.
Oops ! Didnít mean to like (not disliking either) just wondering if in your view it is a problem if Allardyce got credit should he successfully make Lookman and Vlassic full fledged prem players for next season, surely that would be a good thing ?
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Bluedylan on January 08, 2018, 02:54:43 AM
Oops ! Didnít mean to like (not disliking either) just wondering if in your view it is a problem if Allardyce got credit should he successfully make Lookman and Vlassic full fledged prem players for next season, surely that would be a good thing ?

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. A good way for Allardyce to appease the critics (which I'm one of) is to develop the better younger players into first teamers, as well as improving the football generally.

I'm attempting to be constructive, rather than just slagging him off.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Escla on January 08, 2018, 03:18:07 AM
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. A good way for Allardyce to appease the critics (which I'm one of) is to develop the better younger players into first teamers, as well as improving the football generally.

I'm attempting to be constructive, rather than just slagging him off.

Iím still confused ? So are you saying that you do not want Allardyce to succeed and get credit for it ? are you hoping that he fails ?
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: bogie on January 08, 2018, 03:28:47 AM
All the lads on the Celtic forum where raving about him after seeing his peformance vs the shite. They want him on loan haha

I really do think he needed to be loaned out but not in that league only real spot for him was to drop down one
if he had it in him (and I don't think he has yet ) then a loan to France would have been best move for him
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Bluedylan on January 08, 2018, 04:02:59 AM
Iím still confused ? So are you saying that you do not want Allardyce to succeed and get credit for it ? are you hoping that he fails ?

No. I'm not sure what confuses you. I'll spell it out in completely unambiguous terms.

I wasn't in favour of him being appointed. He's done ok but the football hasn't convinced me at all.

So I was thinking what could he do to win me and other critics over, given that the season is over in terms of targets.

And an answer I came up with is helping to blood the young attacking players and develop them, along with improving the attacking play/ball possession.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Escla on January 08, 2018, 02:23:28 PM
No. I'm not sure what confuses you. I'll spell it out in completely unambiguous terms.

I wasn't in favour of him being appointed. He's done ok but the football hasn't convinced me at all.

So I was thinking what could he do to win me and other critics over, given that the season is over in terms of targets.

And an answer I came up with is helping to blood the young attacking players and develop them, along with improving the attacking play/ball possession.

There you go again, responding to polite queries in your trademark patronising tone. For what itís worth I be.ive that our target is to finish as high in the table as possible.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Macca77 on January 08, 2018, 02:32:33 PM
There you go again, responding to polite queries in your trademark patronising tone. For what itís worth I be.ive that our target is to finish as high in the table as possible.

Well yes, that's every clubs target.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Mick 1995 on January 08, 2018, 02:49:00 PM
There you go again, responding to polite queries in your trademark patronising tone. For what itís worth I be.ive that our target is to finish as high in the table as possible.

Mate, you have utterly misread that entire conversation.

Obviously you missed the original point, which is fair enough - the written word can be a bit vague sometimes. No issues there. BD explained it in pretty simple terms and you asked for  further clarification. There was no clearer he could have been so he stated that.
You've then inferred condecension in a response that contained none because of your opinion on who wrote it.

FWIW, BD has raised the first balanced point i've seen about Allardyce. As long as we agree to become proponants of the man if he meets our targets.

Finish as high as we can in the league? Yeah, true. But 7th playing dinosaur football with tried & tested players or 8th whilst bedding in the kids and making mistakes whilst teaching them a more expansive style?
I'd take the £750k hit (or whatever it is for a single league place nowadays)
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Lxxx on January 08, 2018, 03:43:02 PM
Let's be honest we'd have to be really, really bad to not finish 7th in this league. It's as poor, as a whole, as I've seen it in some time and finishing 7th wouldn't be some kind of monumental achievement, bearing in mind it's the turn of the year, we're sat in 9th spot and we're one of the biggest spenders in Europe now.
 
What would be an achievement is if we got to the end of the season and had found a workable system, players in their right positions and a style of play which was both pleasing on the eye as well as giving us some kind of blueprint to go into our summer recruitment.

This has to be the aim now, not to solely to aim for the 7th place trophy.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Gary1878 on January 08, 2018, 04:10:53 PM
I think Big Sam should be using the performance at Anfield on Friday as a blueprint on how to play away from home. He took a little more risk in his tactics, and you could see that it paid off.

He clearly struggles with being the favourites though, and it is the performances at home against the lesser teams that will require some thought if he is to have any chance of staying beyond this season as Everton manager.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: brap2 on January 08, 2018, 04:18:40 PM
Heís a saucy baller and needs to play
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Macca77 on January 08, 2018, 04:22:37 PM
Fuck all to play for from now til the end of the season, we won't be in any sort of relegation fight so there is no reason why we shouldnt be giving the fringe players like Lookman more time on the pitch
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: eugene on January 08, 2018, 04:40:54 PM
Fuck all to play for from now til the end of the season, we won't be in any sort of relegation fight so there is no reason why we shouldnt be giving the fringe players like Lookman more time on the pitch
Canít agree more and letís try and introduce a more attacking style dependant on filling our required positions.
It will be a gamble however it would enable us to hit the ground running next season.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: gizzblue on January 08, 2018, 04:43:00 PM
Fuck all to play for from now til the end of the season, we won't be in any sort of relegation fight so there is no reason why we shouldnt be giving the fringe players like Lookman more time on the pitch
It's all down to the manager mentality from here now ....we will soon see if his park the bus will persist throughout the rest of the season (if so he will deffo be gone come end of the season).
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on January 08, 2018, 04:43:19 PM
Canít agree more and letís try and introduce a more attacking style dependant on filling our required positions.
It will be a gamble however it would enable us to hit the ground running next season.

Based on Sam's past he's likely to wait until we hit the 40 point mark before he starts to introduce more attacking play.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: eugene on January 08, 2018, 04:46:30 PM
Based on Sam's past he's likely to wait until we hit the 40 point mark before he starts to introduce more attacking play.
Last half hour depending on how the games are panning out perhaps,gradually introducing a more attack minded setup got to be the way forward
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Lxxx on January 08, 2018, 04:56:50 PM
Last half hour depending on how the games are panning out perhaps,gradually introducing a more attack minded setup got to be the way forward

So we start with the last half hour and then progress from there. Okay. At that rate by the end of the season we'll just about be starting games with a positive mindset and will have wasted half a season. 
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: eugene on January 08, 2018, 05:00:31 PM
So we start with the last half hour and then progress from there. Okay. At that rate by the end of the season we'll just about be starting games with a positive mindset and will have wasted half a season.
We have nothing to play for only positions
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Lxxx on January 08, 2018, 05:10:43 PM
We have nothing to play for only positions

Exactly, so why not start now then? We've just got a striker which we needed. We've got a genuine wide player back to fitness and we're in a window where we can potentially address other issues. Let's attempt to build a style of play for next season, not just consolidate our league position and then rest everything on summer recruitment, again.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: GLewis on January 08, 2018, 05:14:30 PM
Appreciate everyoneís good intentions here but you only have to look at players like Davies getting stick now to realise that itís not so easy to just play younger players regardless. Thereís barely any patience for player development.

The game was wide open (comparatively) on Friday which suits Lookman as thereís space for him to run into.

Most of the games where complaints arrive arenít like this so itís far from a given that heíd play like he did the other night.

Therefore itís unlikely that heíd be getting loads more game time; certainly not from the start of games unless heís improving from most other appearances recently.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Cereal Killer on January 08, 2018, 05:23:56 PM
I think he should start in games against the better teams that aren't going to sit back and will be pushing to score. Leaves more space for him and also forces them to worry about his pace, ok he may not get many opportunities to shine, but if we won't play him against compact defensive teams either then there's no point to him?!
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Bluedylan on January 08, 2018, 06:36:55 PM
There you go again, responding to polite queries in your trademark patronising tone. For what itís worth I be.ive that our target is to finish as high in the table as possible.

Sound. Nice chatting with you.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: therealdunc on January 08, 2018, 08:46:43 PM
Based on Sam's past he's likely to wait until we hit the 40 point mark before he starts to introduce more attacking play.

I disagree, the evidence of when he wasnít relegation fireman sam is of a manager who changes his tactics to both maximise his teams strength and limit the oppositions.

Heís always done it.

If we had 2 brilliant wingers, no doubt we would be playing it down the flanks more.

If you look at the heat maps and the touches maps from his games thus far, we have had the Hall in central areas where most of the teams creative strength is aka rooney.

Itís only in recent games with bolasie that has started to move more out to the flanks.

Heís a pragmatic manager, not an ideologue like Martinez.
He will use his resources the way he deems best to maximise points from games .

And thatís exactly what we need if wholesale changes are not going to take place until the summer transfer window
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: D15TIN on January 08, 2018, 09:45:09 PM
Always thought he looked better off the bench, he should definitely be more involved though, no question.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Escla on January 09, 2018, 12:58:55 AM
Mate, you have utterly misread that entire conversation.

Obviously you missed the original point, which is fair enough - the written word can be a bit vague sometimes. No issues there. BD explained it in pretty simple terms and you asked for  further clarification. There was no clearer he could have been so he stated that.
You've then inferred condecension in a response that contained none because of your opinion on who wrote it.

FWIW, BD has raised the first balanced point i've seen about Allardyce. As long as we agree to become proponants of the man if he meets our targets.

Finish as high as we can in the league? Yeah, true. But 7th playing dinosaur football with tried & tested players or 8th whilst bedding in the kids and making mistakes whilst teaching them a more expansive style?
I'd take the £750k hit (or whatever it is for a single league place nowadays)
Would have to disagree with you there, I was genuinely unsure whether BD was saying that Allardyce getting kudos was a good or a bad thing, to ME it was somewhat ambiguous, I felt that the response was somewhat condescending ďIíll spell it out for youĒ  nothing to do with what you perceive as my ďopinionĒof BD, I frequently like his posts and do consider him a valued poster, but I would also like to finish 7th in The hope that we may qualify for Europe.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: eugene on January 09, 2018, 02:49:45 AM
Would have to disagree with you there, I was genuinely unsure whether BD was saying that Allardyce getting kudos was a good or a bad thing, to ME it was somewhat ambiguous, I felt that the response was somewhat condescending "I'll spell it out for youĒ  nothing to do with what you perceive as my "opinionĒof BD, I frequently like his posts and do consider him a valued poster, but I would also like to finish 7th in The hope that we may qualify for Europe.
To be honest after this seasons toe dipping into Europe I would be happy to skip it next year and concentrate on getting a good team together then maybe the year after have a good run at Europe
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: brap2 on January 09, 2018, 03:04:46 AM
To be honest after this seasons toe dipping into Europe I would be happy to skip it next year and concentrate on getting a good team together then maybe the year after have a good run at Europe

If we were unable to fashion a team able to make a fist of it and likely get out of the group stage of the Europa league after January and the summer then we may as well pack it all in.

Itís important for the club to become accustomed to European competition, and itís valuable from a revenue pov as well.

Plus, Thursday nights on the ale..
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Heisenberg on January 09, 2018, 03:33:50 AM
To be honest after this seasons toe dipping into Europe I would be happy to skip it next year and concentrate on getting a good team together then maybe the year after have a good run at Europe

Nothing winds me up more than when people say they dont want europa. Whats the point then? so we can have less games to play next season so we can mount a real challenge for ...... the europa spots?

Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: blargins on January 09, 2018, 08:00:24 AM
I remember when the blood the young kids arguments came up during the seasons when we had nothing left to play for when Moues was manager. I used to champion them too.

Funny how things are cyclic.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 09, 2018, 03:03:31 PM
Lookman should be used as an impact sub
Bolasie for an hour, then lookman would be ideal
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: blue slug on January 09, 2018, 03:28:46 PM
Lookman should be used as an impact sub
Bolasie for an hour, then lookman would be ideal

I agree with you there jimmy, should be able to give him 20-30 minutes every game coming off the bench either wide left or right or even just behind the forward
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Lxxx on January 09, 2018, 03:41:56 PM
I agree with you there jimmy, should be able to give him 20-30 minutes every game coming off the bench either wide left or right or even just behind the forward

Is this really enough to aid his development though? He's been here a year and hardly played really, at a time he should be learning his trade week in week out like Dowell. I think Sam needs to make a decision on the lad shortly. Is he going to use him enough to really contribute or would he be better served going playing every week elsewhere and then coming back in the summer with a bit more under his belt.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 09, 2018, 03:55:46 PM
Is this really enough to aid his development though? He's been here a year and hardly played really, at a time he should be learning his trade week in week out like Dowell. I think Sam needs to make a decision on the lad shortly. Is he going to use him enough to really contribute or would he be better served going playing every week elsewhere and then coming back in the summer with a bit more under his belt.
If he stays yes
I do think a loan may help tho
Title: Lookman
Post by: Heisenberg on February 04, 2018, 01:21:03 AM
Couldn't see a thread for him. Move if there is one. Just scored the winner for Leipzig
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Gumpinio on February 04, 2018, 01:25:12 AM
At least someone involved with Everton has had a good day
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Ross on February 04, 2018, 01:28:54 AM
Donít need his sort here thank you very much.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Trowel on February 04, 2018, 01:29:11 AM
Nice goal too.

https://twitter.com/btsportfootball/status/959870900488126464
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: BlueForYou on February 04, 2018, 01:29:57 AM
Another Koeman signing...................... ........
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: brap2 on February 04, 2018, 01:31:37 AM
Haha, and thatís that then. What a
club m8
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: SANA_DR0 on February 04, 2018, 01:39:32 AM
please sack sam, before he gets rid of the youngsters as he deems Bolasie, Schneiderlin,Williams better than our prospects.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Macca77 on February 04, 2018, 01:41:46 AM
Won't see him in a blue shirt again, to much ambition for us
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Lazarou on February 04, 2018, 01:42:55 AM
I if I where him I would be playing my arse off for a transfer ASAP. Get the fuck out of dodge.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Martip on February 04, 2018, 01:56:12 AM
I'd play him over bolasie atm
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: SANA_DR0 on February 04, 2018, 01:59:43 AM
Won't see him in a blue shirt again, to much ambition for us

why make me sads :(
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Cozzie on February 04, 2018, 02:00:34 AM
Shame we are gonna lose this talent.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: bluenuck on February 04, 2018, 02:01:02 AM
We're losing this kid.  :(
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: brap2 on February 04, 2018, 02:30:28 AM
Spurs in the summer.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Cozzie on February 04, 2018, 02:34:41 AM
Spurs in the summer.

Nailed on.

Under pochettino, a proper coach, he will thrive.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Frevski on February 04, 2018, 04:28:15 PM
Don't need his sort here thank you very much.
Care to elaborate?
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: plumber on February 04, 2018, 04:35:49 PM
This place has been strange recently. People are fuming because Lookman scored a goal in Bundesliga? Does the fact Sandro was shit on his his first game for Sevilla makes you feel better?

And why on earth "we are losing" him? Because he played 12 minutes and scored on his debut? His only goal for us was also scored on his debut by the way.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Paddockoldie on February 04, 2018, 04:48:46 PM
Lookman came here because he believed he'd progress and develop. He has been dropped and benched but not played as much as he could to help him develop. Yes,  he makes some mistakes but we didn't drop Stones for that because he had to learn. If we don't show LÚokman that he is wanted here then he will go. I feel this is the beginning of that, which would be disgraceful. Allardyce will throw anyone under his save my arse bus... because it's all about him. His views on Tosun are so contradicting it shows how disingenuous he is. Get safe then get shut.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: toffee_scot on February 04, 2018, 07:44:15 PM
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/transfers/everton-arsenal-ademola-lookman-leipzig-goal-sam-allardyce-loan-short-termism-a8193656.html
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Jimmywhack on February 04, 2018, 07:55:02 PM
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/transfers/everton-arsenal-ademola-lookman-leipzig-goal-sam-allardyce-loan-short-termism-a8193656.html
Well said that man
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Confucius on February 04, 2018, 09:18:49 PM
Great article and absolutely spot on.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Evertonian in NC on February 04, 2018, 09:24:36 PM
Great closing punch from the article:

The longer he delays, the more precarious the clubís future appears. Allardyce has no interest in the long-term future of the club. Now is the time for Moshiri to prove that he does.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: brap2 on February 04, 2018, 09:31:09 PM
Wow are they actually saying sack him and get silva in?

Have to say it would spice up the rest of the year but I’d be mildly worried about going down tbh
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Jimmywhack on February 04, 2018, 09:42:26 PM
Wow are they actually saying sack him and get silva in?

Have to say it would spice up the rest of the year but I'd be mildly worried about going down tbh
I'm already worried about going down tbh
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Evertonian in NC on February 04, 2018, 09:53:22 PM
I'm already worried about going down tbh

I think the bottom is so bad that 36 points = safety this year.  We could stumble drunk and blind into 5 more points.

It's a heavy worry in my mind for next season if we don't immediately clean house at season's end and get some intelligent, progressive-minded football people in.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Lazarou on February 05, 2018, 05:25:27 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2018/feb/05/ademola-lookman-slips-slides-from-everton-into-leipzig-affections (https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2018/feb/05/ademola-lookman-slips-slides-from-everton-into-leipzig-affections)
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Bluedylan on February 05, 2018, 05:41:38 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2018/feb/05/ademola-lookman-slips-slides-from-everton-into-leipzig-affections (https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2018/feb/05/ademola-lookman-slips-slides-from-everton-into-leipzig-affections)

Wish we were run like RB Leipzig.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Macca77 on February 05, 2018, 05:46:13 PM
He's got skill and pace which is the exact opposite of what Allardyce wants in a player.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Lazarou on February 05, 2018, 06:20:37 PM
Lookman is a player you pay to go and watch. Allardyce for all his analysis and stats would do well to remember why anyone watches football in the first place.

I still can't believe he has been allowed to go and not even to a lower club but to a better one, wtf does that say?
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Lxxx on February 05, 2018, 06:54:40 PM
Wasn't Rangnick interviewed for the manager's job at the same time as Martinez?
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Lxxx on February 05, 2018, 06:59:23 PM
Wish we were run like RB Leipzig.

Imagine having a clear strategy on how to spend your money to safeguard your investment and create a self sustaining, successful business model. Bonkers isn't it.

In my mind this is why we need a new CEO, someone from the top drawer of commerce with the brains and gravitas to manage upwards as well as create a vision that the whole club, fans alike, buy into.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Jimmywhack on February 05, 2018, 06:59:39 PM
Sam and his trusted steads deemed that Lookman is about Championship level, the lad himself thought he was better than that
If he is a success at Leipzig, theres no way he will want to come back to a management team that so underrate him
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: mikey_blue on February 05, 2018, 06:59:46 PM
Wasn't Rangnick interviewed for the manager's job at the same time as Martinez?

Her certainly was. It's all worked out quite well, hasn't it?
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: sam of the south on February 05, 2018, 08:24:07 PM
Her certainly was. It's all worked out quite well, hasn't it?

For him it has, yes
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: dazfrancis on February 05, 2018, 08:47:30 PM
We're in danger of going a bit overboard here.

I'm a big fan of Lookman and really want him to do well but he's only played 12 mins for Leipzig.

He scored after 1 min of his debut for us against the current league leaders but couldn't consistently put it together for 90 mins.

The reasoning for sending him to the championship would have been that it is similar to the Premier League in terms of physicality and he would have got more opportunities compared to Leipzig where he will face more competition for his place. However, maybe the less physical nature of the German league might benefit him.

Hopefully, after this blistering start he gets the opportunity to do it consistently over 90 mins for a run of games before the end of the season.

It's also good for him to be as far away from this pile of bollocks as possible at the moment
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on February 05, 2018, 09:00:52 PM
We're in danger of going a bit overboard here.

I'm a big fan of Lookman and really want him to do well but he's only played 12 mins for Leipzig.

He scored after 1 min of his debut for us against the current league leaders but couldn't consistently put it together for 90 mins.


The reasoning for sending him to the championship would have been that it is similar to the Premier League in terms of physicality and he would have got more opportunities compared to Leipzig where he will face more competition for his place. However, maybe the less physical nature of the German league might benefit him.

Hopefully, after this blistering start he gets the opportunity to do it consistently over 90 mins for a run of games before the end of the season.

It's also good for him to be as far away from this pile of bollocks as possible at the moment

Was he even given a chance?

I can't remember if ever got 2 consecutive 90 minutes under his belt.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Escla on February 05, 2018, 09:08:49 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2018/feb/05/ademola-lookman-slips-slides-from-everton-into-leipzig-affections (https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2018/feb/05/ademola-lookman-slips-slides-from-everton-into-leipzig-affections)

Well we well and truly fucked that one up didnít we ! Want the banners out and Unsy/Royle back untill the end of the season, they can get the 9 points we need, sack Walsh and Allardyce before Saturday and collect the first three points.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Escla on February 05, 2018, 09:11:55 PM
We're in danger of going a bit overboard here.

I'm a big fan of Lookman and really want him to do well but he's only played 12 mins for Leipzig.

He scored after 1 min of his debut for us against the current league leaders but couldn't consistently put it together for 90 mins.

The reasoning for sending him to the championship would have been that it is similar to the Premier League in terms of physicality and he would have got more opportunities compared to Leipzig where he will face more competition for his place. However, maybe the less physical nature of the German league might benefit him.

Hopefully, after this blistering start he gets the opportunity to do it consistently over 90 mins for a run of games before the end of the season.

It's also good for him to be as far away from this pile of bollocks as possible at the moment

On current form wouldnít put it past Allardyce/Walsh/Moshiri accepting an offer from Leipzig for him clause or no clause.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: kramer0 on February 05, 2018, 09:42:13 PM
Our fortunes could have been very different if we had hired Rangnick instead of Martinez. I doubt we would have hit the heights of Martinez's first season but we'd be a lot closer to the top 6 now, with a more aggressive, energetic approach and players that are much more fun to watch.

I think Evertonians would love a high-pressing team. It's unfortunate that we're so far away from having one. We could probably could have made a convincing offer for someone like Schmidt or Hutter when we hired Allardyce but it would have been suicide to do it with this squad. It would even be risky to do it this summer given the amount of turnover necessary to get the right players.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: blue slug on February 05, 2018, 11:10:30 PM
Any player with pace, skill and wants to play a forward pass will be deemed a big no no by the current fucktards in charge
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: bluenuck on February 06, 2018, 12:19:16 AM
Don't know if this has been posted.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/sport/evertons-transfer-plan-flawed-as-ademola-lookman-lights-up-leipzig-hg9p6vqq8

Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Juanito on February 06, 2018, 03:13:41 AM
Don't know if this has been posted.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/sport/evertons-transfer-plan-flawed-as-ademola-lookman-lights-up-leipzig-hg9p6vqq8




This is more like it, Allardyce being questioned in the media and Walsh too.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Bob Sacamano on February 06, 2018, 04:08:36 AM
Could someone copy/paste that article? Muchas gracias.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: bluenuck on February 06, 2018, 05:44:18 AM
Sam Allardyce might have hoped that his critique of Evertonís pathetic (his words) defeat by Arsenal would, in some way, have soothed the pain and yet he only succeeded in adding to the sense of disillusionment festering among a seething support.

The headline confession that he had borrowed the game plan of Swansea City, who had beaten ArsŤne Wengerís side four days earlier, and attempted to replicate it overlooked the reality that he has different players. For a start he has Michael Keane, not Alfie Mawson, in his defence.

However, it was the reasoning behind his insistence that Ademola Lookman would have made no difference to an abject 5-1 reverse at the Emirates that served to expose the sheer scale of the mess that has enveloped Everton.

ďNo,Ē Allardyce said. ďWeíve got £20 million Theo Walcott and £30 million Yannick Bolasie and if youíd put him [Lookman] out there he wouldnít have done any better than the rest because the whole team played crap.Ē

Never mind that Lookman had just stepped off the substitutesí bench for Champions League-chasing RB Leipzig in his first game after his deadline day loan move to Germany, streaked past Borussia MŲnchengladbachís retreating defenders before finding the corner of the net in a cutting cameo that his parent club have been crying out for this season.

By Allardyceís rationale, £21 million Cenk Tosun would have come on before £1.5million Dominic Calvert-Lewin in the second half. That the Turkey forward did not is something else for Everton to worry about. Everton are surely the last club that should be equating price tags to quality given the bucket loads of money they have wasted over the past 18-months in arguably the worst spending spree in football history and one which has left director of football, Steve Walsh, enduring death by 200 million cuts.

Competition is tough but Lookman may actually stand as the most pertinent symbol of Evertonís flawed transfer strategy.

One tranche of Walshís policy was to recruit the best youngsters in the country. Lookman arrived from Charlton Athletic last January for £11 million only to become so desperate to leave within 12 months due to a lack of opportunities that he was prepared to go against Evertonís wishes by moving to the Bundesliga rather than Championship high-fliers Derby County.

One of the Merseyside clubís unique selling points has been their willingness to give youth a chance and they can reel out the statistics that point out that they have given more minutes to youngsters than any other top-flight club this season. Yet examine that more closely and the burden was placed on them because a replacement for Romelu Lukaku was not immediately recruited.

Jonjoe Kenny has played primarily because of injuries, while Tom Davies has been in and out of the side during a difficult second season.

Allardyce was brought in to steer the club away from the relegation zone. He will do that despite the weekend embarrassment. But Everton are not just losing games, they are in danger of losing their identity.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Thomas on February 06, 2018, 06:32:28 AM
Don't know if this has been posted.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/sport/evertons-transfer-plan-flawed-as-ademola-lookman-lights-up-leipzig-hg9p6vqq8



I genuinely cannot understand him stating he felt Leipzig was 'beyond' Lookman yet the lad scores the winner the other night...
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on February 06, 2018, 06:38:29 AM
I genuinely cannot understand him stating he felt Leipzig was 'beyond' Lookman yet the lad scores the winner the other night...

Did he actually say that though, that Leipzig was 'beyond' him? From the interview I saw he just said it's a tough league and he didn't want him to leave.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: bluenuck on February 06, 2018, 06:40:02 AM
I genuinely cannot understand him stating he felt Leipzig was 'beyond' Lookman yet the lad scores the winner the other night...

I said it in the transfer thread that he'll love that league. It's a great league for attacking players with creative and imaginative head coaches. You won't see guys like Pardew, Allardyce and Pulis coaching in that league.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Thomas on February 06, 2018, 06:40:26 AM
Did he actually say that though, that Leipzig was 'beyond' him? From the interview I saw he just said it's a tough league and he didn't want him to leave.

Not but thats basically how i interpreted it. I also believe SA didn't want him here. Just instinct.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: bluenuck on February 06, 2018, 08:05:57 AM
Did he actually say that though, that Leipzig was 'beyond' him? From the interview I saw he just said it's a tough league and he didn't want him to leave.

I believe he said it was tough because he won't know the language. From what I know Leipzig have at least 6 non Germans who are constantly in and out of the starting 11.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Fynci on February 10, 2018, 03:55:20 AM
Another 11 minute substitute appearance tonight, although he didn't bother scoring this time. ;)
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: BlueForYou on February 10, 2018, 02:57:43 PM
Same role, different club
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Lxxx on February 10, 2018, 03:48:45 PM
The lad should have been out on loan last September playing every week for a full season same as Dowell. The fact he was overlooked in our quest to amass the biggest first team squad in our history is a sad indictment of our footballing strategy. Or lack of it.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on February 10, 2018, 04:48:08 PM
Surely if this continues we'll have to concede allardyce was right and he shouldn't have gone there. Not much point sending someone out on loan so they can play 10 minutes a week. He needs a loan where he's playing most of the minutes
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on February 10, 2018, 04:56:11 PM
Surely if this continues we'll have to concede allardyce was right and he shouldn't have gone there. Not much point sending someone out on loan so they can play 10 minutes a week. He needs a loan where he's playing most of the minutes
We know heís got the ability to come on  and change games. He needs to prove he can look after the ball and contribute to the team over 90 mins.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Cassius on February 10, 2018, 05:18:01 PM
Surely if this continues we'll have to concede allardyce was right and he shouldn't have gone there. Not much point sending someone out on loan so they can play 10 minutes a week. He needs a loan where he's playing most of the minutes

Kid's been in Germany for 10 days. He's two games in.

Can hardly write him off as a 10 min sub and concede either side was right at this stage.

Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: AllyBlue14 on February 10, 2018, 05:19:17 PM
He's going to play exactly the same role for Leipzig as he did with us. The fact he scored a last minute winner last week when we were losing 5-1 was a stark contrast in fortunes, but ultimately in terms of minutes on the pitch he hasn't picked the best option.

As has been said, he should have been out on loan from the start of the season to continue his education. The fact that he was one of our only fit genuine wide players at the time shows the shortcomings in our summer transfer activity.

I'd also say this has nothing really to do with Allardyce - Lookman isn't going to displace Walcott and we need Sigurdsson to babysit Martina until Baines is back. Bolasie is an option too but has still to prove that he can remember how to actually play football.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Bob Sacamano on February 10, 2018, 06:45:43 PM
Kid's been in Germany for 10 days. He's two games in.

Can hardly write him off as a 10 min sub and concede either side was right at this stage.



lolol man I thought exactly the same
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: GLewis on February 10, 2018, 06:54:10 PM
Kid's been in Germany for 10 days. He's two games in.

Can hardly write him off as a 10 min sub and concede either side was right at this stage.



Yeah as you say it should be remembered both ways.

At the end of the season letís see whatís happened.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Shogun on February 10, 2018, 06:57:38 PM
Itís not really the same role, he wasnít even getting substitute appearances for us.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: brap2 on February 10, 2018, 06:58:26 PM
Kid's been in Germany for 10 days. He's two games in.

Can hardly write him off as a 10 min sub and concede either side was right at this stage.



Also he might benefit from the coaching.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Ross on February 10, 2018, 07:02:34 PM
Whatís the lad thinking? He could have been watching Derby Norwich today, some of these young English players just want to pick up their massive wages and have no fucking ambition if you ask me. 
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: GLewis on February 10, 2018, 07:12:23 PM
Whatís the lad thinking? He could have been watching Derby Norwich today, some of these young English players just want to pick up their massive wages and have no fucking ambition if you ask me. 

Well from a selfish point of view if heís angling for a move then itís not great, is it?

We want his ambition to be to play for us, going against club wishes doesnít look great at this point (ignoring obvious issues from our side).

If he didnít play for us then Iíd think it was a great move for him, though.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: GLewis on February 10, 2018, 07:13:16 PM
Itís not really the same role, he wasnít even getting substitute appearances for us.

Ha this is true.

But odd cameos arenít his problem.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Ross on February 10, 2018, 07:17:48 PM
Well from a selfish point of view if heís angling for a move then itís not great, is it?

We want his ambition to be to play for us, going against club wishes doesnít look great at this point (ignoring obvious issues from our side).

If he didnít play for us then Iíd think it was a great move for him, though.

Can you blame him for going against the clubs suggestions with regards to a loan?

Look at the players weíve had out over the last 2 years, thereís been far more badly advised loan deals than good. In fact other than Dowell whoís worked out?
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: blargins on February 10, 2018, 07:19:51 PM
Itís not really the same role, he wasnít even getting substitute appearances for us.

He was at first.

Scored on his debut for us as well. Then nothing until a meaningless game.

Think he has something about him, and I hope he stays as he could develop into a decent player.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on February 10, 2018, 07:39:17 PM
He should be loaned to a club where he's playing 60 minutes a week plus. I'll be utterly amazed if that's what he gets in Germany

The odds are allardyce was right. Time will tell though.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: van der Meyde on February 10, 2018, 08:11:13 PM
Can you blame him for going against the clubs suggestions with regards to a loan?

Look at the players weíve had out over the last 2 years, thereís been far more badly advised loan deals than good. In fact other than Dowell whoís worked out?
Jonjoe Kenny at Wigan/Oxford. Liam Walsh at Yeovil.

This season: Joe Williams at Barnsley, Callum Connolly at Ipswich, Antonee Robinson at Bolton.

Plenty of bad ones though, aye. I tend to think going off to Germany, playing in different tactical systems with and against good players will be better for Lookman than Derby personally.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: GLewis on February 10, 2018, 09:54:54 PM
Jonjoe Kenny at Wigan/Oxford. Liam Walsh at Yeovil.

This season: Joe Williams at Barnsley, Callum Connolly at Ipswich, Antonee Robinson at Bolton.

Plenty of bad ones though, aye. I tend to think going off to Germany, playing in different tactical systems with and against good players will be better for Lookman than Derby personally.

Yeah I just donít think heís doing it for us.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: GLewis on February 10, 2018, 09:56:19 PM
Can you blame him for going against the clubs suggestions with regards to a loan?

Look at the players weíve had out over the last 2 years, thereís been far more badly advised loan deals than good. In fact other than Dowell whoís worked out?

No if it was me Iíd want to play for Leipzig.

But Iím just thinking from efc point of view.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: van der Meyde on February 10, 2018, 09:58:50 PM
Yeah I just donít think heís doing it for us.
I wouldn't expect any player to though.

And with 3 years left on his contract, he doesn't really hold all the cards either.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: van der Meyde on February 10, 2018, 10:01:15 PM
No if it was me Iíd want to play for Leipzig.

But Iím just thinking from efc point of view.
Would also add that even if he was putting himself in the shop window somewhat at Leipzig, the same would be true at Derby.

EFC's perspective might be that he's better off at Derby, but given some of the loan moves our players have had recently, they're not necessarily right. Tom Lawrence has been one of Derby's best players this season and he plays in the same position as Lookman, for example.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: GLewis on February 10, 2018, 10:02:23 PM
I wouldn't expect any player to though.

And with 3 years left on his contract, he doesn't really hold all the cards either.

Iíd expect a young player too, I think.

Derby at the moment is what youíd class as a standard, experience gaining loan.

Leipzig isnít an obvious choice as a) not guaranteed to start b) the league isnít as relevant.

So if people are hammering the club then it should be remembered that he might not want to be here. Which normally doesnít go down well.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: van der Meyde on February 10, 2018, 11:44:31 PM
Iíd expect a young player too, I think.
I'm not sure I'd agree with that.

On the face of it, Derby might make more sense to Everton but, in general, I don't think we've really put a lot of thought into some of these development loans. Galloway going off on loan to a Pulis side last season was always a massive risk, for example. Did we loan to them because we thought that was the best option at the time - or did they, perhaps, just pay us the biggest fee?

I suspect youth players are going to become more powerful in this regard in the near future. The player (and their agents!) have much more at stake than the club in these matters after all.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: GLewis on February 10, 2018, 11:47:40 PM
I'm not sure I'd agree with that.

On the face of it, Derby might make more sense to Everton but, in general, I don't think we've really put a lot of thought into some of these development loans. Galloway going off on loan to a Pulis side last season was always a massive risk, for example. Did we loan to them because we thought that was the best option at the time - or did they, perhaps, just pay us the biggest fee?

I suspect youth players are going to become more powerful in this regard in the near future. The player (and their agents!) have much more at stake than the club in these matters after all.

Maybe!

Weíll see if heís improved with more appearances for us next season ;)
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: van der Meyde on February 10, 2018, 11:52:03 PM
Maybe!

Weíll see if heís improved with more appearances for us next season ;)
I suspect his decision making will have improved, but we won't be able to rely on him defensively. :)
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Lxxx on February 11, 2018, 04:03:34 AM
There have been rumours around for a while that he was homesick. Which might have played into his choice of wanting a clean break and to experience somewhere completely new and different rather than moving to another place in the UK just to be homesick in a different city here.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Heisenberg on February 11, 2018, 04:16:44 AM
I mean the 90 minute match they play every weekend is just a snippet of a footballers week really. Will be much more beneficial to him training every day with world class coaching and team mates than getting vollied by a bunch of yard dogs for 90mins of a weekend in the championship. He's already proven he can do it in the championship
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Lxxx on February 11, 2018, 04:17:34 AM
I mean the 90 minute match they play every weekend is just a snippet of a footballers week really. Will be much more beneficial to him training every day with world class coaching and team mates than getting vollied by a bunch of yard dogs for 90mins of a weekend in the championship. He's already proven he can do it in the championship

He came from League One.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Heisenberg on February 11, 2018, 04:18:46 AM
He came from League One.

My point still stands
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on February 11, 2018, 05:03:57 AM
There have been rumours around for a while that he was homesick. Which might have played into his choice of wanting a clean break and to experience somewhere completely new and different rather than moving to another place in the UK just to be homesick in a different city here.

Homesick young English footballers donít go to Germany to get over said homesickness.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Lxxx on February 11, 2018, 05:15:44 AM
Homesick young English footballers donít go to Germany to get over said homesickness.

I think my post was pretty self explanatory
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: GLewis on February 12, 2018, 12:36:30 AM
I mean the 90 minute match they play every weekend is just a snippet of a footballers week really. Will be much more beneficial to him training every day with world class coaching and team mates than getting vollied by a bunch of yard dogs for 90mins of a weekend in the championship. He's already proven he can do it in the championship

Youíd never send players out on loan if that was the case as weíd always have better facilities coaches than lower league sides.

I can see the argument that if he gets 30 min run outs for them then thatís better than 90 mins at championship level.

But training doesnít have the risk factor that real games do.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Heisenberg on February 12, 2018, 04:14:00 AM
Youíd never send players out on loan if that was the case as weíd always have better facilities coaches than lower league sides.

I can see the argument that if he gets 30 min run outs for them then thatís better than 90 mins at championship level.

But training doesnít have the risk factor that real games do.

I get your point that game time is important. But to a player like Lookman I really think he's better off with say 15 mins in a top league that 60 in a lower league where they'll boot him everywhere due to his style
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: GLewis on February 12, 2018, 06:32:34 PM
I get your point that game time is important. But to a player like Lookman I really think he's better off with say 15 mins in a top league that 60 in a lower league where they'll boot him everywhere due to his style

My worry with cameos is that heís likely to be used with a remit of go one and try something.

Whereas it looks like he needs the pressure of the responsibility that starting games brings.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Polledreng on February 12, 2018, 06:55:32 PM
I get your point that game time is important. But to a player like Lookman I really think he's better off with say 15 mins in a top league that 60 in a lower league where they'll boot him everywhere due to his style
At the moment he gets 10 minutes so hope that improves... Then Again it was 10 minutes more than Sandro
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Juanito on February 12, 2018, 07:19:27 PM
Good on the lad, would rather take the risk and live in Germany for a team fighting for the champions league, rather than live in Derby. Shows confidence and ambiton. More English players should do it to stretch themselves.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Alanvideo on February 12, 2018, 08:15:34 PM
Was Lookman intended to go into the first team when he signed ? I thought he was one for the future .If he hadn't scored his goal we might not be having this conversation.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: hannu on February 12, 2018, 08:17:26 PM
Good on the lad, would rather take the risk and live in Germany for a team fighting for the champions league, rather than live in Derby. Shows confidence and ambiton. More English players should do it to stretch themselves.

ive lived in derby for 6 months dont blame the lad
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Thornton_19 on February 12, 2018, 08:33:02 PM
Was Lookman intended to go into the first team when he signed ? I thought he was one for the future .If he hadn't scored his goal we might not be having this conversation.
Koeman In a press conference said he was bought for the first team when we got him.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: bogie on February 13, 2018, 05:33:55 PM
so 2 games in he has played what 19 mins

we have 4 out in the champ that are getting real game time and all 4 doing well for the teams they are at 1 other out there not doing to well but hey 4 out of 5 is great news
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: gizzblue on February 13, 2018, 05:37:56 PM
so 2 games in he has played what 19 mins

we have 4 out in the champ that are getting real game time and all 4 doing well for the teams they are at 1 other out there not doing to well but hey 4 out of 5 is great news
19 mins more than your Messiah was giving him here though .
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: bogie on February 13, 2018, 05:43:07 PM
19 mins more than your Messiah was giving him here though .

see even you are getting it now Big Sam came in and saved us you took your time getting there but you got there in the end
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: bogie on February 13, 2018, 05:45:05 PM
19 mins more than your Messiah was giving him here though .

also I did say in the summer he needed to go out on loan and got hammered in here for it and oh look he is out on loan
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: BlueMaquis on February 13, 2018, 05:49:37 PM
also I did say in the summer he needed to go out on loan and got hammered in here for it and oh look he is out on loan

Doesn't prove he needed to though, does it?
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: bogie on February 13, 2018, 05:54:47 PM
Doesn't prove he needed to though, does it?

you tell yourself what ever makes you happy

take the 4th goal v man city out and he was/is nothing but a kid learning the game and needing game time he would have got more game time in the champ for sure

the sad thing is this might be the end of him at Everton
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: gizzblue on February 13, 2018, 06:28:21 PM
also I did say in the summer he needed to go out on loan and got hammered in here for it and oh look he is out on loan
I actually said "your" Messiah as you and one other(who's no longer around  see it that way) ....

Go on then you think you know it all ,defend Sam over the Arsenal result .

**Grabs popcorn. ..this should be good .**.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: bogie on February 13, 2018, 06:40:06 PM
I actually said "your" Messiah as you and one other(who's no longer around  see it that way) ....

Go on then you think you know it all ,defend Sam over the Arsenal result .

**Grabs popcorn. ..this should be good .**.

3-1 at the weekend he rested players in a game that even with the players he rested we would most likely lose sad but it is what it is and I think everyone seen that even the haters
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Jimmywhack on February 13, 2018, 06:42:44 PM
3-1 at the weekend he rested players in a game that even with the players he rested we would most likely lose sad but it is what it is and I think everyone seen that even the haters
So you think getting beat 5 1 to a poor Arsenal side, where we made no effort to exploit their defence, no effort to really attack because of his tactics and how he set us up is ok cos we beat Palace?
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: bogie on February 13, 2018, 06:51:15 PM
So you think getting beat 5 1 to a poor Arsenal side, where we made no effort to exploit their defence, no effort to really attack because of his tactics and how he set us up is ok cos we beat Palace?

no but it is what it is and it was not just down to how we set up there was a lot of players on that pitch that were shit pure shit and need to be gone asap if that game helps them at the club see it faster then we took something form the game

jimmy are last 3 games before a ball was kicked would you have took 6 points (yes ) did we get 6 points yes   job done well managed and now with 13 days to get ready for the next game all be it away form home I can see us winning it and that is a new feeling thinking we can win away form home
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: TheRam on February 13, 2018, 06:54:00 PM
no but it is what it is and it was not just down to how we set up there was a lot of players on that pitch that were shit pure shit and need to be gone asap if that game helps them at the club see it faster then we took something form the game

jimmy are last 3 games before a ball was kicked would you have took 6 points (yes ) did we get 6 points yes   job done well managed and now with 13 days to get ready for the next game all be it away form home I can see us winning it and that is a new feeling thinking we can win away form home

So, manager takes credit for the wins, players take the blame for defeats?
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: bogie on February 13, 2018, 06:56:42 PM
So, manager takes credit for the wins, players take the blame for defeats?

no not all the time but if you want to defend that lot of crap on the pitch that day go for it

it works both ways ram you cant blame sam every time we lose and then not thank him every time we win
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Mick 1995 on February 13, 2018, 07:11:39 PM
To be fair to @bogie (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=3344) , his theory is the only thing that makes that arsenal team selection/tactics make any sense to me.

Cause it fucking baffled me at the time.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Shogun on February 13, 2018, 07:15:13 PM
Look at Arsenal in their two games before that match and their match that followed.

We made them look like peak Barca
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Macca77 on February 13, 2018, 07:18:49 PM
Look at Arsenal in their two games before that match and their match that followed.

We made them look like peak Barca

To be fair we'd make West Brom look like Barca at the minute
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Lxxx on February 13, 2018, 07:27:22 PM
To be fair we'd make West Brom look like Barca at the minute

We did a few weeks ago. It's only because Rondon can't hit a barn door we didn't get spanked.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: gizzblue on February 13, 2018, 08:02:47 PM
3-1 at the weekend he rested players in a game that even with the players he rested we would most likely lose sad but it is what it is and I think everyone seen that even the haters
If players can't play two games in a week
....why the fuck even have a champions league ,fa cup, Europa league etc etc etc  ...
Spoiled my popcorn was expecting at least a coherent argument ...but again like Sam no real idea or thought as to what's going on .
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Macca77 on February 13, 2018, 08:30:19 PM
3-1 at the weekend he rested players in a game that even with the players he rested we would most likely lose sad but it is what it is and I think everyone seen that even the haters

Let's get one thing clear here, he didn't rest the players against Arsenal, he picked an extremely negative team in the hope of holding out for a draw, the tactics worked well for just over 4 minutes.

"We would most likely lose" - yes I get this but Arsenal had just lost at Swansea,  and were in poor form, they were there for the taking, and he set the game up perfectly for them, it was a complete embarrassment, as was him blaming the players at every opportunity afterwards
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: bogie on February 13, 2018, 10:47:22 PM
Let's get one thing clear here, he didn't rest the players against Arsenal, he picked an extremely negative team in the hope of holding out for a draw, the tactics worked well for just over 4 minutes.

"We would most likely lose" - yes I get this but Arsenal had just lost at Swansea,  and were in poor form, they were there for the taking, and he set the game up perfectly for them, it was a complete embarrassment, as was him blaming the players at every opportunity afterwards

and just signed how mush in attacking players £100m was it or more and all that crap that was going on with greedy balls is over

 any fan would take Arsenal,s home record this year bar top 3/4 away record is were they are getting let down
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Ross on February 13, 2018, 10:54:19 PM
and just signed how mush in attacking players £100m was it or more and all that crap that was going on with greedy balls is over

 any fan would take Arsenal,s home record this year bar top 3/4 away record is were they are getting let down

Thereís a massive difference between going away to Arsenal and expecting a tough game and going there all lubed up ready for a proper buggering.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Macca77 on February 13, 2018, 10:57:41 PM
and just signed how mush in attacking players £100m was it or more and all that crap that was going on with greedy balls is over

 any fan would take Arsenal,s home record this year bar top 3/4 away record is were they are getting let down

Doesn't matter how much they spent and on who, 3500 Everton fans paid good money to go see that game in the hope we came away with something, the team selection and tactics was a smack in the face to all of them, just added more to the growing proof that Allardyce doesn't give a shit about us.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Polledreng on February 13, 2018, 11:03:40 PM
and just signed how mush in attacking players £100m was it or more and all that crap that was going on with greedy balls is over

 any fan would take Arsenal,s home record this year bar top 3/4 away record is were they are getting let down
dont tell Big Sam He used the same tactic as Swansea without knowing that Arsenal away is another team than Arsenal at home. The sooner he is gone the better.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: bogie on February 13, 2018, 11:04:18 PM
There’s a massive difference between going away to Arsenal and expecting a tough game and going there all lubed up ready for a proper buggering.

he did not go there looking to get done 5-1 he went there trying something that did not work but on the other hand made sure we had the best bet of getting 6 points form 9
if you think for 1 min he did not give a fuck about the 5-1 then your even more a hater than it seems
if the players on the pitch had a bit more about them and lost it 2-1 3-2 what ever it would have been seen as trying something new
but the players were shit and that's a fact

did anyone on here think we were going to go there and win with the same setup we have being playing all season ?

one other thing how many times did Moyes lose 4/5 to them and he got 10 years here !
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Cereal Killer on February 13, 2018, 11:05:49 PM
Take the tired old ramblings back to the Allardyce thread

So Lookman..... is he eligible to play in Europe for them??
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: bogie on February 13, 2018, 11:06:05 PM
dont tell Big Sam He used the same tactic as Swansea without knowing that Arsenal away is another team than Arsenal at home. The sooner he is gone the better.

he will be here next year so suck it up lad
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: bogie on February 13, 2018, 11:09:32 PM
Doesn't matter how much they spent and on who, 3500 Everton fans paid good money to go see that game in the hope we came away with something, the team selection and tactics was a smack in the face to all of them, just added more to the growing proof that Allardyce doesn't give a shit about us.

were did he say he did not give a shit about us
if he did not give a shit we would be in the bottom 3 and he would be gone with a big pay day and at his age it would not hurt any job hunt
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Polledreng on February 13, 2018, 11:11:07 PM
he will be here next year so suck it up lad
My god are you his son. And please dont Call me lad. If he is here next season Iíll have to put my season ticket on StubHub. Did you go to Spurs ? Did you go to Arsenal ?   If you Think even our board Think thats good enough for Everton Iím afraid you are in for a shock
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: bogie on February 13, 2018, 11:20:01 PM
My god are you his son. And please dont Call me lad. If he is here next season I’ll have to put my season ticket on StubHub. Did you go to Spurs ? Did you go to Arsenal ?   If you Think even our board Think thats good enough for Everton I’m afraid you are in for a shock

did you go to any games before he got here (this season not 30 years ago ) some mind blowing football played then (if you were smoking the same shit as Koeman )
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Ross on February 13, 2018, 11:24:12 PM
he did not go there looking to get done 5-1 he went there trying something that did not work but on the other hand made sure we had the best bet of getting 6 points form 9
if you think for 1 min he did not give a fuck about the 5-1 then your even more a hater than it seems
if the players on the pitch had a bit more about them and lost it 2-1 3-2 what ever it would have been seen as trying something new
but the players were shit and that's a fact

did anyone on here think we were going to go there and win with the same setup we have being playing all season ?

one other thing how many times did Moyes lose 4/5 to them and he got 10 years here !

He went there with our two most productive players banished to the bench (never to get off it), packing a defence with as many bodies as possible and trying to protect them with two defensive players planted 10 yards ahead of them. Clearly the game plan wasnít to get beat 5-1 but it was to keep it to a minimum and that plan went out the window after 5 mintutes, in fact it went so far out the window after another 30 minuets itíd left the postcode and boarded a train home like most fans.

Oh and please letís not pretend we should be prioritising a home game against a team in the bottom half of the table whoíd won only two away games all season seven days later as thatís a weaker excuse than Allardyce saying he wanted us to copy Swansea and the players didnít do it.

On the Moyes thing, did you ever explain how somebody like yourself can have so much hatred for a man who did so well at our club for so long, to a point of getting yourself banned from other forums, to resolutely worshipping a manager whoís never even achieved half of what Moyes did in his time here?
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: bogie on February 13, 2018, 11:32:36 PM
He went there with our two most productive players banished to the bench (never to get off it), packing a defence with as many bodies as possible and trying to protect them with two defensive players planted 10 yards ahead of them. Clearly the game plan wasn’t to get beat 5-1 but it was to keep it to a minimum and that plan went out the window after 5 mintutes, in fact it went so far out the window after another 30 minuets it’d left the postcode and boarded a train home like most fans.

Oh and please let’s not pretend we should be prioritising a home game against a team in the bottom half of the table who’d won only two away games all season seven days later as that’s a weaker excuse than Allardyce saying he wanted us to copy Swansea and the players didn’t do it.

On the Moyes thing, did you ever explain how somebody like yourself can have so much hatred for a man who did so well at our club for so long, to a point of getting yourself banned from other forums, to resolutely worshipping a manager who’s never even achieved half of what Moyes did in his time here?

Moyes tell me or even better show me were all my hate for Moyes is
I would of and still would have him back here if just to see what he could do with an Everton team with a few bob
so any crap you have about me hatting Moyes is all in your head or it could just be that anything I say or type you will jump on because I for one will not get onbroad with the Big Sam hate club

I did not like the way he left it was a bit under handed yes but would love to see what he could do with us with money and that will always be there
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Ross on February 13, 2018, 11:34:34 PM
Moyes tell me or even better show me were all my hate for Moyes is
I would of and still would have him back here if just to see what he could do with an Everton team with a few bob
so any crap you have about me hatting Moyes is all in your head or it could just be that anything I say or type you will jump on because I for one will not get onbroad with the Big Sam hate club

I did not like the way he left it was a bit under handed yes but would love to see what he could do with us with money and that will always be there

You must have posted about that under your other username.

Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Polledreng on February 13, 2018, 11:36:35 PM
did you go to any games before he got here (this season not 30 years ago ) some mind blowing football played then (if you were smoking the same shit as Koeman )
As I'm a seasonticketholder you should know the answer. And yes the football was as mind blowing as now - and it got Koeman sacked
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: bogie on February 13, 2018, 11:38:37 PM
You must have posted about that under your other username.



yeah sure I did

you can get tablets for that now

who was that WWE guy that hear voices in his head

Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: bogie on February 13, 2018, 11:40:12 PM
As I'm a seasonticketholder you should know the answer. And yes the football was as mind blowing as now - and it got Koeman sacked

and the demanding of players to be signed that were/are shit had a BIG part to play in it
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Audrey Horne on February 14, 2018, 12:44:51 AM
Why are there so many thick people on this forum?
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: blue slug on February 14, 2018, 02:52:25 AM
Why are there so many thick people on this forum?

I was going to like your comment but I might be one of the said thick people
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: TheRam on February 14, 2018, 02:59:04 AM
yeah sure I did

you can get tablets for that now

who was that WWE guy that hear voices in his head



Al snow
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Goaljira on February 14, 2018, 03:04:00 AM
Al snow

I thought he meant Benoit and didnt want to post about it.  Al Snow makes more sense.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: brap2 on February 14, 2018, 03:50:01 AM
Couldnít have played more into Arsenalís hands that day.

Let shite like xhaka have the ball and heíll make you look shit. Get Tom Davies up his arsehole from minute dot and heíd shit his kecks.

Is what it is though.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: benny on February 14, 2018, 04:11:28 AM
I was going to like your comment but I might be one of the said thick people
                   nod
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: BlueForYou on February 14, 2018, 02:41:49 PM
I am thick - no lighty, no likey
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Mick 1995 on February 14, 2018, 02:49:13 PM
I thought he meant Benoit and didnt want to post about it.  Al Snow makes more sense.

spat my coffee out laughing at that, ya prick hahaha
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Toddacelli on February 16, 2018, 08:10:38 PM
Why are there so many thick people on this forum?

Shit.

I don't even know the answer to this.

 :bonk: