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Title: AGM
Post by: Macca77 on January 08, 2018, 09:13:31 PM
Tomorrow night at the Philly in town, anyone going?
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: TheRam on January 08, 2018, 09:23:27 PM
Rumours Elstone is off to become CEO of rugby league.
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 08, 2018, 09:25:52 PM
Rumours Elstone is off to become CEO of rugby league.
Heard that before as well
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: sam of the south on January 08, 2018, 09:26:00 PM
Rumours Elstone is off to become CEO of rugby league.

Think this still applies


https://mobile.twitter.com/Tony_Scott11/status/949745382338199552/video/1
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on January 08, 2018, 09:33:47 PM
I put this on the tweets of the day thread, but it's relevant here too :)

The comments are hilarious

https://twitter.com/RedVeeDotNet/status/950122546816483328
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: Simon Paul on January 08, 2018, 09:37:25 PM
Not changed my address so didn't get notice. Can I still attend?
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: Alanvideo on January 08, 2018, 09:57:51 PM
Not changed my address so didn't get notice. Can I still attend?
..............the club sent out attendance letters i.e a form you hand in to register at the venue but I guess you can get in with some ID and your share certificate.?  Maybe give the club  a quick call.

Would be good to connect with you and any others on here tomorrow.  :cheers:
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: Simon Paul on January 09, 2018, 12:12:47 AM
I'm away tonight and wasn't sure what time I'll be back tomorrow so haven't made plans

Title: Re: AGM
Post by: therealdunc on January 09, 2018, 02:33:36 AM
I should be able to make it , although last years was pretty boring
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: Jamokachi on January 09, 2018, 04:34:22 AM
Rumours Elstone is off to become CEO of rugby league.

Hasn't this all stemmed from him being a guest speaker at a Rugby League event?
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: Alanvideo on January 09, 2018, 02:32:10 PM
Hasn't this all stemmed from him being a guest speaker at a Rugby League event?
..............He had a spell at Castleford from 2005 when he oversaw a potential move to a new stadium. They still haven't moved .
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: Polledreng on January 09, 2018, 02:49:10 PM
..............He had a spell at Castleford from 2005 when he oversaw a potential move to a new stadium. They still haven't moved .
Ohh god no
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: Simon Paul on January 09, 2018, 09:22:21 PM
I should be able to make it , although last years was pretty boring

thought it was alright to be honest

Moshiri spoke well and even Koeman and Walsh were prepared to sit next to each other for a bit without spitting

my highlight was being told off for live Tweeting it
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: therealdunc on January 09, 2018, 09:29:17 PM
thought it was alright to be honest

Moshiri spoke well and even Koeman and Walsh were prepared to sit next to each other for a bit without spitting

my highlight was being told off for live Tweeting it

Just comparing it to previous years

The last year before Kenwright threw his toys out the pram was good, free bar as well.
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: Simon Paul on January 09, 2018, 09:33:25 PM
Just comparing it to previous years

The last year before Kenwright three his toys out the pram was good, free bar as well.

the last "real" AGM was limited to a few bottles of Chang on each table.  don't even get that at these Powerpoint presentation evenings
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: therealdunc on January 09, 2018, 09:37:49 PM
Canít face sitting through an hour of Elstone rabbiting on about Everton in the community and talking about a plucky win against one of the top 6.

While woods sits there pulling his angry face an Bill stays at home allegedly pretending he is too busy/sick while allegedly getting live updates via phone throughout the meeting.

Itís a circus and the whole thing especially the obsession with Everton in the community stinks of small minded club syndrome aka Kenwrightitus
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: Bluenose 91 on January 09, 2018, 09:50:19 PM
Can’t face sitting through an hour of Elstone rabbiting on about Everton in the community and talking about a plucky win against one of the top 6.

While woods sits there pulling his angry face an Bill stays at home allegedly pretending he is too busy/sick while allegedly getting live updates via phone throughout the meeting.

It’s a circus and the whole thing especially the obsession with Everton in the community stinks of small minded club syndrome aka Kenwrightitus

Do you talk exclusively out of your arse hole or what?
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: School of Science on January 09, 2018, 09:59:03 PM
Do you talk exclusively out of your arse hole or what?

Let's face it it wouldn't be the same " inclusively".
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: therealdunc on January 09, 2018, 10:55:29 PM
Do you talk exclusively out of your arse hole or what?

Go on, whatís your latest moan?


Title: Re: AGM
Post by: nsno on January 09, 2018, 11:01:55 PM
Canít face sitting through an hour of Elstone rabbiting on about Everton in the community and talking about a plucky win against one of the top 6.

While woods sits there pulling his angry face an Bill stays at home allegedly pretending he is too busy/sick while allegedly getting live updates via phone throughout the meeting.

Itís a circus and the whole thing especially the obsession with Everton in the community stinks of small minded club syndrome aka Kenwrightitus

Everton in the community is something we should all be very proud of and I for one think the way the club champion it is admirable. Other clubs following suit and using Evertons model for their own Community initiatives shows how good a job the board/club do. Long may it continue.  @therealdunc (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=5069) it seems its you with the small club syndrome.
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: therealdunc on January 09, 2018, 11:05:48 PM
The board should Tell me how they are gonna make us competitive to win the league and champions league, not rabbiting on about community Work like it replaces the complete lack of trophies over the past 20 odd years.

Iím sorry we are a football club first , and we need to start winning trophies again
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 09, 2018, 11:09:14 PM
The board should Tell me how they are gonna make us competitive to win the league and champions league, not rabbiting on about community Work like it replaces the complete lack of trophies over the past 20 odd years.

I'm sorry we are a football club first , and we need to start winning trophies again
Bore off
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: therealdunc on January 09, 2018, 11:13:25 PM
This is a thread about the AGM

At the AGMs the club has tried to hide the failings on and off the pitch.
One of the ways this is done is by occupying the meeting with lots of stuff on Everton in the community.

Everton in the community is great, but itís not a league title or a champions league .

Some of you donít understand as you have never been to the AGM, but many who have that Iíve spoken with agree the club use the success of Everton in the community to hide the failings of the 1st team and board.

Please remember this is an AGM thread, not a general rant for some of you to make nasty hateful remarks on a subject you know nothing about .

Thank you, any questions?
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: nsno on January 09, 2018, 11:14:12 PM
The board should Tell me how they are gonna make us competitive to win the league and champions league, not rabbiting on about community Work like it replaces the complete lack of trophies over the past 20 odd years.

Iím sorry we are a football club first , and we need to start winning trophies again

No we are a business first and football is just one aspect of that business, albeit a large aspect. As with all business's PR and public conception have a huge impact on future investment and balance sheets. Just look at the shit storm that's hit h&m today, looking like a caring, charitable organisation can offset future issues to a certain degree. So it isn't small minded, its the club looking at the bigger picture, whilst helping the local community it operates in.
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 09, 2018, 11:16:56 PM
This is a thread about the AGM

At the AGMs the club has tried to hide the failings on and off the pitch.
One of the ways this is done is by occupying the meeting with lots of stuff on Everton in the community.

Everton in the community is great, but it's not a league title or a champions league .

Some of you don't understand as you have never been to the AGM, but many who have that I've spoken with agree the club use the success of Everton in the community to hide the failings of the 1st team and board.

Please remember this is an AGM thread, not a general rant for some of you to make nasty hateful remarks on a subject you know nothing about .

Thank you, any questions?
Will you fuck off?
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: Lxxx on January 09, 2018, 11:17:53 PM
No we are a business first and football is just one aspect of that business, albeit a large aspect. As with all business's PR and public conception have a huge impact on future investment and balance sheets. Just look at the shit storm that's hit h&m today, looking like a caring, charitable organisation can offset future issues to a certain degree. So it isn't small minded, its the club looking at the bigger picture, whilst helping the local community it operates in.

 :eh:
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: TheRam on January 09, 2018, 11:32:01 PM
There's more to football, running a football club, and supporting a football club than winning trophies IMO.
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: Simon Paul on January 10, 2018, 12:06:22 AM
There's more to football, running a football club, and supporting a football club than winning trophies IMO.

there totally is

however, and it pains me to say this, I agree with @therealdunc (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=5069) here to an extent and feel that EitC is focused on a bit more than it could be

The focus of a football club is the success of it's first team - EVERYTHING ELSE is a distant second at best.

Last year they gave up probably 30% of the AGM time to speaking about EitC, and the only literature given out was a glossy booklet promoting their work - which is fantastic, don't get me wrong, but if a football club were a cake, then EitC would be the little bits of sugar that go on the top, not a whole layer to chew on.

anyway, not going tonight as anything that will be revealed will be revealed on Twitter and the official site either before or during the AGM, the same way the kit launches are done.
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: SANA_DR0 on January 10, 2018, 12:41:43 AM
personally the best thing about Everton is its work with in the community and helping others.

how can you hate when your club is giving back to people?
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: Confucius on January 10, 2018, 12:43:56 AM
Yeah, I am with @therealdunc (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=5069) here too. We too happy being mediocre at too much and overstating what we good at which is very little.
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on January 10, 2018, 12:51:09 AM
personally the best thing about Everton is its work with in the community and helping others.

how can you hate when your club is giving back to people?

It's not the best thing though is it. It's brilliant and something that we should be proud of, but It's not the first thing you think of when someone asks you why you continue to support Everton.
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: Macca77 on January 10, 2018, 12:51:54 AM
https://twitter.com/_pauljoyce/status/950796989574377473
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: D15TIN on January 10, 2018, 12:52:55 AM
https://twitter.com/_pauljoyce/status/950796989574377473
"WERE GONNA BUILD A STADIUM.. AND MAKE LIVERPOOL FANS PAY FOR IT" Donald Anderson
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on January 10, 2018, 12:53:22 AM
https://twitter.com/_pauljoyce/status/950796989574377473

Haha the fume from the kopites will be tremendous!
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: Macca77 on January 10, 2018, 12:55:27 AM
Heads falling off everywere
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on January 10, 2018, 12:55:48 AM
 lolol  lolol

https://twitter.com/davidjbricey/status/950799029402775552
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: Macca77 on January 10, 2018, 12:56:18 AM
Its badly worded, they arnt funding it, they're gonna be guarantors
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: D15TIN on January 10, 2018, 01:00:58 AM
"1 Year design and planning
3 Years Build
Open August 2022"
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: Macca77 on January 10, 2018, 01:01:21 AM
https://twitter.com/GregOK/status/950802385496084480

Love the last statement
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on January 10, 2018, 01:04:28 AM
Here you go @Thomas (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=347)

https://twitter.com/GregOK/status/950804907141091328
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on January 10, 2018, 01:06:06 AM
The bastard must be reading this forum

https://twitter.com/ALANMYERSMEDIA/status/950805480502423553
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: Macca77 on January 10, 2018, 01:11:19 AM
https://twitter.com/_pauljoyce/status/950806675958784001
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: Macca77 on January 10, 2018, 01:17:49 AM
Haha fucking hell

https://twitter.com/Tyler_ND6/status/950805940797878272
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: Simon Paul on January 10, 2018, 01:18:29 AM
The bastard must be reading this forum

https://twitter.com/ALANMYERSMEDIA/status/950805480502423553

well he's blocked us on Tiwtter so he's not reading anything on there ;)
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: Simon Paul on January 10, 2018, 01:19:04 AM
Its badly worded, they arnt funding it, they're gonna be guarantors

so the same as it was when they set up the funding vehicle in their name then?
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: Polledreng on January 10, 2018, 01:19:41 AM
"WERE GONNA BUILD A STADIUM.. AND MAKE LIVERPOOL FANS PAY FOR IT" Donald Anderson
How the hell Can he use Oslo City Council money ?
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: School of Science on January 10, 2018, 01:28:54 AM
Bit disappointed we have no design to look at as such.
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: D15TIN on January 10, 2018, 01:29:47 AM
Bit disappointed we have no design to look at as such.
In a way im glad - weve jumped the gun on earlier projects released designs.. got excited.. then it fell apart time after time. This is the one hopefully.
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: Simon Paul on January 10, 2018, 01:31:24 AM
made up I didn't go now if Moshiri has stood up and said "I read Sam's autobiography before we brought him in"

no images of a new stadium that is expected to be built in 3 and a half years is also a bit odd
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: D15TIN on January 10, 2018, 01:41:00 AM
made up I didn't go now if Moshiri has stood up and said "I read Sam's autobiography before we brought him in"

no images of a new stadium that is expected to be built in 3 and a half years is also a bit odd
Tbh allardyce has said "Everton where the victims of last seasons success", moshiri then said later last season wasn't a success we wanted to finish 6th, and starting the season early in the qualifiers has cost us, lost confidence etc
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: therealdunc on January 10, 2018, 01:53:25 AM
It's not the best thing though is it. It's brilliant and something that we should be proud of, but It's not the first thing you think of when someone asks you why you continue to support Everton.

This
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: D15TIN on January 10, 2018, 01:54:20 AM
We offered Lukaku more than what others offered him, but his mind was made up
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: therealdunc on January 10, 2018, 01:55:54 AM
The bastard must be reading this forum

https://twitter.com/ALANMYERSMEDIA/status/950805480502423553

Alan Myers and @therealdunc (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=5069) on the same page.

Some of you owe me an apology for your nasty hate filled imature comments
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: therealdunc on January 10, 2018, 01:57:24 AM
Had to leave before the Q&A, one of the better AGMs of recent years.

Big Sam and Moshiri are great people for our club, both have a burning ambition.

Title: Re: AGM
Post by: Macca77 on January 10, 2018, 02:01:06 AM
Farhad saying to much here

https://twitter.com/GregOK/status/950816961042239489
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: D15TIN on January 10, 2018, 02:04:10 AM
Laid into Lukaku a bit, saying he refused to come back when he was in LA
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: TheRam on January 10, 2018, 02:04:30 AM
Moshiri coming out with some proper mental stuff haha.
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: Ross on January 10, 2018, 02:06:10 AM
Heís a crackpot.
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: Confucius on January 10, 2018, 02:06:40 AM
Love Moshiri me. He is wealthy and successful but probably has no idea when to keep quiet. he reminds me so much about myself except the wealth part.
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: Macca77 on January 10, 2018, 02:08:55 AM
Wont be giving any info to his mate Jim White anymore
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: Macca77 on January 10, 2018, 02:09:51 AM
https://twitter.com/AHunterGuardian/status/950821264649785345

 lolol
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: D15TIN on January 10, 2018, 02:09:55 AM
Love Moshiri me. He is wealthy and successful but probably has no idea when to keep quiet. he reminds me so much about myself except the wealth part.
Were lucky to have him IMO, imagine us trying to survive in this league now without his backing.
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: MmmblueBernard on January 10, 2018, 02:10:39 AM
Alan Myers and @therealdunc (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=5069) on the same page.

Some of you owe me an apology for your nasty hate filled imature comments

Nope, Myers is also a knobhead.
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: Macca77 on January 10, 2018, 02:12:39 AM
Barkleys agent went missing for 6 months
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: Shropshire Blue on January 10, 2018, 02:15:01 AM
The board should Tell me how they are gonna make us competitive to win the league and champions league, not rabbiting on about community Work like it replaces the complete lack of trophies over the past 20 odd years.

Iím sorry we are a football club first , and we need to start winning trophies again
There are plenty of clubs below us in the football pyramid. What makes us so different? Every club wants to win trophies. Get real, the top of the pyramid is totally dominated by financial clout. We haven't had that clout. We might be moving towards it but it takes time.
If you feel we have a right to be winning things you may be better off joining like minded people. There's quite a few at Old Trafford and Stamford Bridge.
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: bluestevie on January 10, 2018, 02:21:05 AM
Alan Myers and @therealdunc (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=5069) on the same page.

Some of you owe me an apology for your nasty hate filled imature comments

No one who tags themselves in their OWN post deserves any kind of apology
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 10, 2018, 02:24:04 AM
Alan Myers and @therealdunc (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=5069) on the same page.

Some of you owe me an apology for your nasty hate filled imature comments
Alan myers that genius of football
Ha bellend
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: Bluedylan on January 10, 2018, 02:27:48 AM
Moshiri's been top value there. People complain when nothing gets said, and when he says something, so the fella can't win.

I welcome seeing a bit of his personality, his humour and getting a bit of an idea of what's been happening.
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: Simon Paul on January 10, 2018, 02:31:39 AM
He probably forgot that we did actually get a year extra from Lukaku
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: Waltzer on January 10, 2018, 02:31:52 AM
Were lucky to have him IMO, imagine us trying to survive in this league now without his backing.
Interested to get an understanding of what extra backing he has given us that others before haven't? Not being pedantic, i just don't see it.
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: Simon Paul on January 10, 2018, 02:34:18 AM
Interested to get an understanding of what extra backing he has given us that others before haven't? Not being pedantic, i just don't see it.

Clearing our debt probably did quite a bit for us
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: Bluedylan on January 10, 2018, 02:34:33 AM
Interested to get an understanding of what extra backing he has given us that others before haven't? Not being pedantic, i just don't see it.

£150m of his own money. Getting deals like the FF sponsorship, which we never would've got before. Not to mention actually putting a feesible stadium building package together in an outstanding location.

Title: Re: AGM
Post by: School of Science on January 10, 2018, 02:35:48 AM
Barkleys agent went missing for 6 months

Then turned up with Chelsea's offer of £35m last day's of the summer transfer Window . Which then Barkley and his agent turn down...... Then opening days of the January's window, Chelsea offer £15 m. So where does the £20m difference go I wonder ....... So doesn't play a single minute for Everton this season and we provide his injury / operation. Ever feel swindled ? Looks like Ross and his agent have played Everton football club like a fiddle.

Earlier on Ross had promised to sign if we let John Stone's leave, Said Stones and Barkley have the same agent. There is probably the story that was going round earlier this week about Barkley's agent running rings around the club. Not slagging you off here Si but if this is only half true, do you think Ross is still a nice lad ?
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: Waltzer on January 10, 2018, 02:36:21 AM
Clearing our debt probably did quite a bit for us
But he didn't did he? I thought he cleared the debt, with a loan from himself, so in theory were still in debt.?
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: Bluedylan on January 10, 2018, 02:40:11 AM
But he didn't did he? I thought he cleared the debt, with a loan from himself, so in theory were still in debt.?

In theory yes, but it's thought to be highly unlikely that we'll ever have to repay that by the fellas on the blue room podcast.
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: Simon Paul on January 10, 2018, 02:40:17 AM
But he didn't did he? I thought he cleared the debt, with a loan from himself, so in theory were still in debt.?

With no repayment date set or interest payable. Much more favourable debt and not official so doesn't appear on credit ratings, making us more attractive to banks to lend to for stuff like stadiums
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: School of Science on January 10, 2018, 02:44:19 AM
But he didn't did he? I thought he cleared the debt, with a loan from himself, so in theory were still in debt.?

Interest free loan, with no payback date, we are saving £3m a year in interest rates alone.,  Which means we can get credit at better rates .
But like you if its only a third of the loan we are looking for why can't Moshiri give it us and we can pay him back. I know it's probably not that simple. But disappointed tonight we saw no designs as such.
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: Confucius on January 10, 2018, 04:04:15 AM
I am happy with no stadium designs. i really believe that needs to have it's own night with it's own gala dinner and unveiling personally.
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: kramer0 on January 10, 2018, 04:36:35 AM
We are completely batshit when it comes to actual football.
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on January 10, 2018, 04:36:45 AM
Considering FSG take £5m a year interest off the shite for their loans against their own club, we're on to a goodun with Moshiri.
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: TheRam on January 10, 2018, 04:41:10 AM
We are completely batshit when it comes to actual football.

You don't even know where to start with what's come out tonight.

Title: Re: AGM
Post by: kramer0 on January 10, 2018, 04:43:54 AM
You don't even know where to start with what's come out tonight.

Hahaha.

I think I give up, to be honest.
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on January 10, 2018, 04:44:10 AM
Still pissing meself over the voodoo story.
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 10, 2018, 05:02:36 AM
But he didn't did he? I thought he cleared the debt, with a loan from himself, so in theory were still in debt.?

He's never gonna literally clear the debt. He only owns half the club. He'd be gifting the other half of the money to the other shareholders.
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: kramer0 on January 10, 2018, 08:10:33 AM
These nuggets belong in here.

https://twitter.com/GregOK/status/950807469529419778 (https://twitter.com/GregOK/status/950807469529419778)

https://twitter.com/_pauljoyce/status/950807327732576256 (https://twitter.com/_pauljoyce/status/950807327732576256)

10/10 originality points for the "the ones other clubs signed were poor so trying and failing was okay" argument.
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: Jamokachi on January 10, 2018, 08:10:48 AM
He's a proper eccentric, this Moshiri fella lolol
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: Bluedylan on January 10, 2018, 11:09:45 AM
Turns out Ross Barkley is a cowardly little rat after all then. Bellend. Can't wait til he plays at Goodison again. Looking forward to seeing him crumble when the crowd absolutely destroy him.
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: Ramjam on January 10, 2018, 11:31:39 AM
Turns out Ross Barkley is a cowardly little rat after all then. Bellend. Can't wait til he plays at Goodison again. Looking forward to seeing him crumble when the crowd absolutely destroy him.

Heíll have tweeked his hammy that day
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: Bluedylan on January 10, 2018, 11:42:37 AM
He’ll have tweeked his hammy that day

He wants to make sure he has.

And obviously not from me because 1) I don't live in Liverpool anymore, and 2) I'm a pussy, but he wants to watch himself coming back up to Liverpool any time soon. Can see a few lids wanting to have a right pop at him.
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: Ramjam on January 10, 2018, 12:30:56 PM
He wants to make sure he has.

And obviously not from me because 1) I don't live in Liverpool anymore, and 2) I'm a pussy, but he wants to watch himself coming back up to Liverpool any time soon. Can see a few lids wanting to have a right pop at him.

So where you live at now BD?
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: Bluedylan on January 10, 2018, 12:54:00 PM
So where you live at now BD?

Sheffield. Still get back regularly like. Was home for a couple of weeks at Chrimbo.
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: Bob Sacamano on January 10, 2018, 02:09:40 PM
What was said about Barkley?
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: Bob Sacamano on January 10, 2018, 02:10:20 PM
Sheffield. Still get back regularly like. Was home for a couple of weeks at Chrimbo.

I really like Sheff. I go there for work and always think I would be cool living there.
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: Bluedylan on January 10, 2018, 02:15:19 PM
What was said about Barkley?

They offered him big money. His agent went missing for 6 months. Then they reluctantly agreed to sell for 35m in the summer, and he fucked that up and sat on his arse getting paid and doing us out of 20m in the process.

Nothing massively new like but just a confirmation from the powers that be of his rat-like qualities.
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: Bluedylan on January 10, 2018, 02:17:40 PM
I really like Sheff. I go there for work and always think I would be cool living there.

Yeah it's proper green which is nice, and two good independent cinemas which I know you'd appreciate. Nice place to live. Redshite everywhere like but that's the case wherever you go.
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: Mick 1995 on January 10, 2018, 02:29:24 PM
They offered him big money. His agent went missing for 6 months. Then they reluctantly agreed to sell for 35m in the summer, and he fucked that up and sat on his arse getting paid and doing us out of 20m in the process.

Nothing massively new like but just a confirmation from the powers that be of his rat-like qualities.

also, he promised to enter into negotiations with a view to signing an extension if we let his "mate" Stones go to City.
We did but Barkley didn't come to the table/his agent blanked us for 6 months.
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: Simon Paul on January 10, 2018, 02:33:26 PM
I like the bit where he says he feels betrayed by Jim White for sharing his texts and calls on Sky and Twitter, at the exact moment that type of thing needs sharing on Sky or Twitter to help PR

Mad as a box of frogs this fella.
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: Bob Sacamano on January 10, 2018, 04:19:18 PM
also, he promised to enter into negotiations with a view to signing an extension if we let his "mate" Stones go to City.
We did but Barkley didn't come to the table/his agent blanked us for 6 months.

This is a whole new level of having us off. Wtf.
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: Simon Paul on January 10, 2018, 04:53:59 PM
This is a whole new level of having us off. Wtf.

We're believing this then?
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: Mick 1995 on January 10, 2018, 05:03:24 PM
We're believing this then?

Not saying i believe everything from the AGM. But other than it's absurd, is there another basis you doubt it?
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: Simon Paul on January 10, 2018, 05:37:54 PM
Not saying i believe everything from the AGM. But other than it's absurd, is there another basis you doubt it?

I don't see any reason to believe it to be honest

"If you don't sell one of our best defenders then I'm leaving"

"If you don't show your ambition by selling a hot young prospect then I"m off"

there's also very little to suggest that Barkley and Stones were *that* close

it's a very odd thing to make up, but after dealing with this football club for so long, it's not the strangest thing that would have been concocted by the board. it's not really necessary either, but it helps put the final nail in the coffin of any respect our fanbase may have possibly had for the boy.

there's also the fact that Ross Barkley is properly thick, and yet this is the first suggestion of this story in over 18 months.  there is absolutely no way he would have been quiet about it if he wanted "his mate" to move to City so badly that he dodged his own contract negotiations.

there is already enough bad feeling towards Ross but Moshiri seemed to want the last word and to have the last dig.  I'm not buying the Stones thing, personally, but then again I don't need to. 

the club have been wanting to sell Ross for years - it was part of the mandate given to Martinez for a start - and are pissed off that he held out and the club didn't get the maximum fee.
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: Lincs Toffee on January 10, 2018, 05:43:15 PM
Yeah it's proper green which is nice, and two good independent cinemas which I know you'd appreciate. Nice place to live. Redshite everywhere like but that's the case wherever you go.
My daughter was at Uni there and is now teaching at Rotherham but still lives in Crookes, she loves it and will never leave I don't think.
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: Mick 1995 on January 10, 2018, 05:47:49 PM
I'm not particularly buying the Lukaku/mother thing either to be honest.

I've put it all in the same space as Kenwright's "I went to the big bank and begged to borrow 10p more".

I reckon it's all just hyperbole andtalking for the sake orf talking. Saying what thye think people want to hear.
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: Simon Paul on January 10, 2018, 05:54:49 PM
I'm not particularly buying the Lukaku/mother thing either to be honest.

I've put it all in the same space as Kenwright's "I went to the big bank and begged to borrow 10p more".

I reckon it's all just hyperbole andtalking for the sake orf talking. Saying what thye think people want to hear.

definitely

it's also making sure there is enough doubt in people's minds for when Barkley tells his side of the story too....
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: Escla on January 10, 2018, 06:39:05 PM
Not saying i believe everything from the AGM. But other than it's absurd, is there another basis you doubt it?

Was this actually said at the AGM, by whom ?
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: Audrey Horne on January 10, 2018, 06:43:11 PM
its all embarassing and stupid in my opinion. I dont side with those of you saying its great to see Moshiri's personality blah blah blah. To me he comes across as not having a clue about how to run a football club. Im cringing at the things he said.
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on January 10, 2018, 06:46:54 PM
I don't believe the Barkley story, he's wanted to go for ages, he's just held out for a better deal for him and his agent (directed by his agent obviously).

I 100% believe the Lukaku story though, seems to tie in with his agent saying the contract was 99.99% signed off.
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: Waltzer on January 10, 2018, 06:47:26 PM
its all embarassing and stupid in my opinion. I dont side with those of you saying its great to see Moshiri's personality blah blah blah. To me he comes across as not having a clue about how to run a football club. Im cringing at the things he said.

I agree, I read it on another forum but id love Elstone to gets the Rugby job thats mooted and for Moshiri to use his connections and get David Dein in, let him be the focal point and the one addressing all aspects rather than the mismatch of Kenwright/Moshiri/Elstone that is quite farcical.
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: Bluenose 91 on January 10, 2018, 07:04:22 PM
Lukaku getting his lawyers involved over the voodoo comments apparently.

What was Moshiri thinking saying that for fucks sake!
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on January 10, 2018, 07:10:07 PM
Lukaku getting his lawyers involved over the voodoo comments apparently.

What was Moshiri thinking saying that for fucks sake!

Doubt that would make a difference, Lukaku is a wealthy man, but nothing compared to Moshiri.
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: therealdunc on January 10, 2018, 07:42:46 PM
Lukaku getting his lawyers involved over the voodoo comments apparently.

What was Moshiri thinking saying that for fucks sake!

Rumoured to be consulting lawyers is not the same as getting them in and doing him for defamation
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: Bluenose 91 on January 10, 2018, 07:51:31 PM
My point is more so that it was just a fucking stupid thing to say regardless.
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: formerKHL on January 10, 2018, 07:53:03 PM
alright BD..i'm originally from toxteth but live just outside Barnsley...have done for some time now..

Title: Re: AGM
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on January 10, 2018, 08:06:26 PM
alright BD..i'm originally from toxteth but live just outside Barnsley...have done for some time now..



Trying to figure out if you work for Barnsley, Utd, Wednesday, Doncaster or Rotherham.
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: Bluedylan on January 10, 2018, 08:12:41 PM
Course he knows how to run a club. Just needs to improve his PR a bit. But compared to most other benefactors/investors, he's an absolute dream.
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: GLewis on January 10, 2018, 08:15:28 PM
I donít think signings is a useful yardstick either.

Do we really want him vetoing players who the DoF / manager have identified?

Surely thatís exactly the sort of thing that people (rightly) normally moan about.
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: Confucius on January 10, 2018, 08:23:06 PM
I don't think Barkley said sell my mate and I will sign. Think the agent negotiated that but then went missing.
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: Bluedylan on January 10, 2018, 08:32:05 PM
The Stones bit sounds unlikely, but that's not the worst of it. The worst of it is selling your supposed beloved, boyhood club that's looked after you and helped substantially to make you, down the frigging river.

Your agents are your representatives. Ross is an adult and presumably has full capacity. At any point he could've stepped in and said 'I want to stay at Everton, make that happen' but no. He's snuck out the back door, putting the club at a considerable loss. I've defended and loved the lad to the hilt for a long time but when it comes down to it he's treated us like shit.
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: Ross on January 10, 2018, 08:41:38 PM
See I donít understand how anybody who had such urgent business to conclude and was willing to get it done at all cost would let 6 months slide by by continuing to call the same number for the fixer time and again without thinking ďIím getting the colder shoulder here Iíll call their bosses because this is getting us nowhereĒ.
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: Mick 1995 on January 10, 2018, 08:46:29 PM
See I donít understand how anybody who had such urgent business to conclude and was willing to get it done at all cost would let 6 months slide by by continuing to call the same number for the fixer time and again without thinking ďIím getting the colder shoulder here Iíll call their bosses because this is getting us nowhereĒ.

What if it was the boss you were calling?
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on January 10, 2018, 09:00:24 PM
What if it was the boss you were calling?

Just go to his work car park and continuously shout DAN! DAN! at the window.
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: Ross on January 10, 2018, 09:04:40 PM
What if it was the boss you were calling?

Then assuming this started when we sold Stones, and Barkley had 2 years left on his deal, and communications have dried up you start hawking Barkley around with 18 months left on his deal and flush them out.

But surely Barkley isnít with some two man band agency and thereíll be people higher up the food chain than the Pimpernel, like a CEO or company chairman.
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: starblood on January 10, 2018, 09:05:55 PM
the club have been wanting to sell Ross for years - it was part of the mandate given to Martinez for a start - and are pissed off that he held out and the club didn't get the maximum fee.

What's this? It's news to me - what mandate was Martinez given?
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: Mick 1995 on January 10, 2018, 09:09:06 PM
Then assuming this started when we sold Stones, and Barkley had 2 years left on his deal, and communications have dried up you start hawking Barkley around with 18 months left on his deal and flush them out.

But surely Barkley isnít with some two man band agency and thereíll be people higher up the food chain than the Pimpernel, like a CEO or company chairman.

Most of these super agents are at the top of their business model.

I do sort of agree with you in principle. But players have so much power now what can a club realistically do?
We could have agreed a deal with Guangzhou Evergrande for a billion yen. Barkley can simply say no to the contract.
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: GLewis on January 10, 2018, 09:30:43 PM
Then assuming this started when we sold Stones, and Barkley had 2 years left on his deal, and communications have dried up you start hawking Barkley around with 18 months left on his deal and flush them out.

But surely Barkley isnít with some two man band agency and thereíll be people higher up the food chain than the Pimpernel, like a CEO or company chairman.

Stones went when he (Barkley) had 12 months left.

Also likely that the main agent has people underneath doing menial stuff. Eg Raiola is involved in negotiations but wonít be sorting out regular supply of alpine mineral water etc.
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: Ross on January 10, 2018, 09:33:03 PM
Stones went when he (Barkley) had 12 months left.

Also likely that the main agent has people underneath doing menial stuff. Eg Raiola is involved in negotiations but wonít be sorting out regular supply of alpine mineral water etc.

Thatíd mean Stones went last summer.
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on January 10, 2018, 09:34:21 PM
Stones went when he (Barkley) had 12 months left.

Also likely that the main agent has people underneath doing menial stuff. Eg Raiola is involved in negotiations but wonít be sorting out regular supply of alpine mineral water etc.

Stones went when Barkley had 2 years left on his deal didn't he? when Koeman first started.
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: GLewis on January 10, 2018, 09:49:18 PM
Thatíd mean Stones went last summer.

Oh yeah.

Self preservatory blurring of time...
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: blueski on January 10, 2018, 10:05:03 PM
Most of these super agents are at the top of their business model.

I do sort of agree with you in principle. But players have so much power now what can a club realistically do?
We could have agreed a deal with Guangzhou Evergrande for a billion yen. Barkley can simply say no to the contract.
When a Chinese club makes a cheeky bid in Japanese currency he should say no outright
 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: Sixx1402 on January 10, 2018, 10:07:20 PM
Yeah it's proper green which is nice, and two good independent cinemas which I know you'd appreciate. Nice place to live. Redshite everywhere like but that's the case wherever you go.

Not too far from me then, got a few mates in Sheff. I'm in Leeds

You're right they are everywhere, i watched he cup tie in a local pub but left because of all the redshite fans chanting. Went to a different bar instead. Both the bar tenders were redshite. Wonderful.
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: Simon Paul on January 10, 2018, 10:21:39 PM
What's this? It's news to me - what mandate was Martinez given?

was mentioned that he told someone that he was told to sell Lukaku, Stones and Barkley for a combined £150m

it's been discussed on the forum before

the club made their valuation of the three players, so I'm not sure why they are crying over £20m that - if anything - was over and above what they expected for them
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: Lxxx on January 10, 2018, 10:25:11 PM
was mentioned that he told someone that he was told to sell Lukaku, Stones and Barkley for a combined £150m

it's been discussed on the forum before

the club made their valuation of the three players, so I'm not sure why they are crying over £20m that - if anything - was over and above what they expected for them

Sounds like a load of rubbish to me.
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: Simon Paul on January 10, 2018, 10:31:48 PM
Sounds like a load of rubbish to me.

gutted
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: Shropshire Blue on January 10, 2018, 11:38:58 PM
In my limited involvement with another club knowing some of what went on behind the scenes I genuinely wouldn't be surprised at anything!
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: SANA_DR0 on January 11, 2018, 12:18:43 AM
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post AGM

Title: Re: AGM
Post by: mikey_blue on January 11, 2018, 12:36:07 AM
Didn't it turn out that Barkley and Stones have the same agent?
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: Simon Paul on January 11, 2018, 02:04:27 AM
Didn't it turn out that Barkley and Stones have the same agent?

yeah, so basically his agent says "unless you do this deal then I'm not doing that deal" and Barkley gets blamed

agents have been running the game for ages, but it seems Evertonians have only just caught on thanks to some voodoo curse being lifted, or something
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: Waltzer on January 11, 2018, 02:17:39 AM
Probably not as much as a transfer but surely agents get a fair wedge for contract renewals don't they? Also, if Ross had ever indicated a willingness to stay I'm sure he'd still be here.
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: Simon Paul on January 11, 2018, 02:31:50 AM
Probably not as much as a transfer but surely agents get a fair wedge for contract renewals don't they? Also, if Ross had ever indicated a willingness to stay I'm sure he'd still be here.

most footballers just let their agents get on with it don't they?

his agent won't have had to work too hard to get in his ear though.  it's not as if his manager called him out in public at all, or dragged him off at half time and slated him afterwards, or he got dropped from the England squad because he wasn't being played at Everton by his manager.  And it's not like the manager at the time had form for being an absolute twat to players he didn't like, was it?  and it's defo not like the club's major shareholder (not fucking majority, he's made fucking sure of that, Liverpool fucking Echo) went on live TV and slagged him off is it?

making Barkley want to leave Everton will be his agent's easiest job ever thanks to Koeman and Moshiri
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 11, 2018, 02:37:42 AM
Agent got 7m according to the press. Easiest job in the world
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: Waltzer on January 11, 2018, 02:53:24 AM
most footballers just let their agents get on with it don't they?

his agent won't have had to work too hard to get in his ear though.  it's not as if his manager called him out in public at all, or dragged him off at half time and slated him afterwards, or he got dropped from the England squad because he wasn't being played at Everton by his manager.  And it's not like the manager at the time had form for being an absolute twat to players he didn't like, was it?  and it's defo not like the club's major shareholder (not fucking majority, he's made fucking sure of that, Liverpool fucking Echo) went on live TV and slagged him off is it?

making Barkley want to leave Everton will be his agent's easiest job ever thanks to Koeman and Moshiri
Can't argue with that, but didn't he have the initial contract offer before Koeman started, when things were going well and he was playing for both club and country?
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: blueski on January 11, 2018, 04:45:23 AM
Can't argue with that, but didn't he have the initial contract offer before Koeman started, when things were going well and he was playing for both club and country?
the counter argument is Ross probably saw that Martinez was on the way out and wanted to see who his replacement would be, whether that individual would improve him as a player as well as back him in the way of starts and appearances

As said, Koeman began slating him to the press almost immediately. Warranted? maybe, handled as if Ross was a valued Everton asset, clearly no.
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: everton1952 on January 11, 2018, 04:53:34 AM
Sick to death of hearing about Barkley. He is a Chelsea player.
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 11, 2018, 05:37:16 AM
Surely the reality is he never had any real intention of signing because he could get a hell of a lot richer and play at a higher level if he didn't

Not about koeman or Martinez or moshiri. It's about barkley wanting champions league football and 10 million signing on fee. Sick of people making excuses for him. Making out people forced his hand. It's Everton that got the shitty end of the deal and him that got rich
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: Ramjam on January 11, 2018, 07:47:57 AM
Now that the Judas bastard has joined Chelsea whatís the bet heíll be straight back into the England squad?
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: gizzblue on January 11, 2018, 07:38:28 PM
most footballers just let their agents get on with it don't they?

his agent won't have had to work too hard to get in his ear though.  it's not as if his manager called him out in public at all, or dragged him off at half time and slated him afterwards, or he got dropped from the England squad because he wasn't being played at Everton by his manager.  And it's not like the manager at the time had form for being an absolute twat to players he didn't like, was it?  and it's defo not like the club's major shareholder (not fucking majority, he's made fucking sure of that, Liverpool fucking Echo) went on live TV and slagged him off is it?

making Barkley want to leave Everton will be his agent's easiest job ever thanks to Koeman and Moshiri
Agree with most of this although it has fuck all to do with Everton when Woy hodgson started calling Ross a thick fucker really did it .
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: Simon Paul on January 11, 2018, 07:51:13 PM
Agree with most of this although it has fuck all to do with Everton when Woy hodgson started calling Ross a thick fucker really did it .

no but Koeman did nothing to help improve the footballing part of his intelligence, did he?

the other part nobody can help with!
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: Bluenose 91 on January 11, 2018, 07:54:32 PM
He played the best footy of his career under Koeman imo
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: ally2 on January 11, 2018, 07:56:51 PM
no but Koeman did nothing to help improve the footballing part of his intelligence, did he?

the other part nobody can help with!

I'm getting confused with too many negatives and possibly sarcasm so I have no idea what you mean but yes Koeman did improve Ross's football intelligence.
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: DIXIEDEAN on January 11, 2018, 08:00:34 PM
koeman can't be blamed for improving him with some soft public comments, because essentially koeman massively improved barkley during the 2nd half of last season his tackling his effort his all round game improved due to koeman making these comments in public which had the desired effect that it was intended.smalll minded barkley probably couldn't see that. shat on us from a great height and i hope he rots on there bench because thats not how you treat people that have looked after you all your life.
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: GLewis on January 11, 2018, 08:08:45 PM
Yeah Iíd say at home particularly he was very consistent with his play around the box, linking attacks, little through balls etc. in the second half of the season.

Title: Re: AGM
Post by: kramer0 on January 14, 2018, 12:57:52 AM
I don't know what to say if Moshiri really thinks this is just a road bump in his multi-year plan. We've spent a fuck ton on players, fees and wages, and have been completely destroyed by basically every good team we've played.

The business and community stuff is great but it would be nice to see any sort of change that makes us less of an embarrassment where football is concerned.
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: Cozzie on January 14, 2018, 01:23:22 AM
Agreed.

Gotta bin off that dour cunt Steve Walsh to start.
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: Tony Clifton on January 14, 2018, 03:14:41 AM
Got around to watching a fair chunk of this on YouTube last night.  What a cringefest.

It goes without saying how good the community stuff the club does is, but they need to stop blowing themselves off about it so much.  We get it, we will continue to support it, now get on with the football in football club. 
Title: Re: AGM
Post by: Simon Paul on January 14, 2018, 03:38:01 AM
think it's fair to say that Moshiri isn't really a football man now isn't it?