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Title: Theo Walcott
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on January 10, 2018, 05:00:26 AM

Everton favourites to beat Southampton in race sign Arsenal forward Theo Walcott in £20m deal


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Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 10, 2018, 05:04:37 AM
Everton favourites to beat Southampton in race sign Arsenal forward Theo Walcott in £20m deal


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Really hope we lose this 1. We seem to have a transfer policy of signing all the players proven not good enough for the top 6
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on January 10, 2018, 05:05:25 AM
Really hope we lose this 1. We seem to have a transfer policy of signing all the players proven not good enough for the top 6

Ye I think I'd rather have Del back then Walcott tbh.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: ally2 on January 10, 2018, 05:06:08 AM
Please do not sign Walcott!
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: stirlingblue on January 10, 2018, 05:13:28 AM
We should be looking at Shaqiri, Stoke's season is fucked and he's a better investment than Walcott
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: TheRam on January 10, 2018, 05:15:34 AM
Awful piece of business
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on January 10, 2018, 05:24:18 AM
We should be looking at Shaqiri, Stoke's season is fucked and he's a better investment than Walcott

That's would be worse than Walcott.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Macca77 on January 10, 2018, 05:29:16 AM
Southampton odds on to sign him
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on January 10, 2018, 05:30:23 AM
Southampton odds on to sign him

Hope so
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Tony Clifton on January 10, 2018, 05:43:42 AM
Still can't make my mind up on this lad.  Fuck it, sign him yesterday.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: GoodisonPk on January 10, 2018, 05:58:30 AM
Not sure why we are thumbing our noses at Walcott. Have him in a heartbeat. He and Lennon can share one wing or he can play alongside Tosun if needed.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Bluedylan on January 10, 2018, 06:00:22 AM
Would be unhappy with Walcott or Del. Sign one of the best up and coming wingers, and let them improve at the club. Someone like that Hirving Lozano guy. Need to be thinking longer term than these expensive, short-term options.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Hawkandro on January 10, 2018, 06:11:07 AM
Would be unhappy with Walcott or Del. Sign one of the best up and coming wingers, and let them improve at the club. Someone like that Hirving Lozano guy. Need to be thinking longer term than these expensive, short-term options.

I agree. Plenty of other players to look at; Dominico Berardi, Pione Sisto, Leon Bailly, Hakim Zayech and so forth.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: BlueMaquis on January 10, 2018, 09:14:09 AM
I agree. Plenty of other players to look at; Dominico Berardi, Pione Sisto, Leon Bailly, Hakim Zayech and so forth.

Yeah but Moshiri hasn't read any of their autobiographies
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: brap2 on January 10, 2018, 01:20:41 PM
Would be unhappy with Walcott or Del. Sign one of the best up and coming wingers, and let them improve at the club. Someone like that Hirving Lozano guy. Need to be thinking longer term than these expensive, short-term options.
I agree. Plenty of other players to look at; Dominico Berardi, Pione Sisto, Leon Bailly, Hakim Zayech and so forth.

All great shouts but like, we’re a million miles off them players. Most at CL clubs already, the rest going for multi millions soon
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Macca77 on January 10, 2018, 01:28:40 PM
Decent signing at the right price, they want 30 million for him, we shouldnt be paying anywere near that, 20 million at a push, if they reject then move on
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Silas on January 10, 2018, 01:43:01 PM
I don't think he would be a bad signing at that price. It's very much a short term signing but we have younger players here already
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 10, 2018, 01:55:34 PM
Ye I think I'd rather have Del back then Walcott tbh.

Me too. I'm not a fan of del but least there's potential and a chance of vast improvement and surely he'd be much cheaper too
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Bluedylan on January 10, 2018, 02:12:23 PM
All great shouts but like, weíre a million miles off them players. Most at CL clubs already, the rest going for multi millions soon

Disagree. We could attract some of them. We pay top dollar and blew our competitors out of the water with Tosun.

Much rather that, than wasting 20m+ and 110k a week on an ageing Walcott who's well on the way to losing his only major asset as a player.

Avoid at all costs imo.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Ramjam on January 10, 2018, 02:18:18 PM
Disagree. We could attract some of them. We pay top dollar and blew our competitors out of the water with Tosun.

Much rather that, than wasting 20m+ and 110k a week on an ageing Walcott who's well on the way to losing his only major asset as a player.

Avoid at all costs imo.

Agreed, didnít Sam say last week that he needed to bring more younger players with high energy into the team so surely that would rule out the likes of Walcott
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Lxxx on January 10, 2018, 03:26:31 PM
Disturbing pattern beginning to happen now we have more money. Signing 'names' on big wages on the way down from bigger clubs or overpaying for players where Everton is the best they can do isn't going to help us bridge the gap.

Much preferred it when we were looking at players on the way up, players with talent who would see Everton as a stepping stone to bigger things so would be hungry to improve. Lukaku worked. Stones worked. Del didn't but it was worth the gamble. Surely this is a model a club like ours should be looking to implement for long term sustainability and to give us the best chance of succeeding.

The scruffy fucker over the park seems to have a long term vision. At Dortmund sold Sahin for big money to Madrid and replaced him with a cheap Gundogan and won the league. Later sold Kagawa to Man U and replaced him with Reus and reached the CL final. Sold Gotze to Munich and replaced him with Mkhitaryan and Aubameyang for the same money. Now Coutinho for silly money and he'll probably do the same again.
You could make a similar argument at Atletico.

A succession of short term managers leads to short term thinking. Not sure a dream team of Walsh/Allardyce offers us the chance to implement that kind of strategy unfortunately.

Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 10, 2018, 03:34:57 PM
Disturbing pattern beginning to happen now we have more money. Signing 'names' on big wages on the way down from bigger clubs or overpaying for players where Everton is the best they can do isn't going to help us bridge the gap.

Much preferred it when we were looking at players on the way up, players with talent who would see Everton as a stepping stone to bigger things so would be hungry to improve. Lukaku worked. Stones worked. Del didn't but it was worth the gamble. Surely this is a model a club like ours should be looking to implement for long term sustainability and to give us the best chance of succeeding.

The scruffy fucker over the park seems to have a long term vision. At Dortmund sold Sahin for big money to Madrid and replaced him with a cheap Gundogan and won the league. Later sold Kagawa to Man U and replaced him with Reus and reached the CL final. Sold Gotze to Munich and replaced him with Mkhitaryan and Aubameyang for the same money. Now Coutinho for silly money and he'll probably do the same again.
You could make a similar argument at Atletico.

A succession of short term managers leads to short term thinking. Not sure a dream team of Walsh/Allardyce offers us the chance to implement that kind of strategy unfortunately.



Totally agree. Paying a premium for players we are the pinnacle for or taking over the contracts of top 6 failures. It's crazy. We seem to be trying to create a 1 team league for 7th place.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Mick 1995 on January 10, 2018, 03:44:47 PM
Allardyce came out specifically and said he wanted to buy players for the "now" - in the prime years. So he wants to buy 26/27/28/29 year olds.
I'm not against that in principle. Especially as we can sink £100m+ every summer to rectify mistakes.

That's not to say i want to stop signing the lookman's & DCL's of the world. but we need some immediate impact in defence & in the creativity departments, so fuck it.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: therealdunc on January 10, 2018, 03:53:55 PM
Theo ,
If your reading this, please do the right thing and join Southampton.

Regards,
Your footballing friend,
Therealdunc
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Hawkandro on January 10, 2018, 03:58:14 PM
Arsenal looking to sign Christian Pavon, probably to replace Walcott. Another player we should be looking at instead; young, hungry and not yet hit his peak years.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Lxxx on January 10, 2018, 04:00:57 PM
Allardyce came out specifically and said he wanted to buy players for the "now" - in the prime years. So he wants to buy 26/27/28/29 year olds.
I'm not against that in principle. Especially as we can sink £100m+ every summer to rectify mistakes.

That's not to say i want to stop signing the lookman's & DCL's of the world. but we need some immediate impact in defence & in the creativity departments, so fuck it.

So did Koeman. So if our next manager after Allardyce has similar sentiments (because Koeman's 'now' and Allardyces 'now' are past their best) then we're left with a lot of expensive, ageing players who might not be what the new man wants.

Of course you need a balanced squad but to say that only players in their late 20's are able to deliver week in week out is bonkers.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: therealdunc on January 10, 2018, 04:05:14 PM
Arsenal looking to sign Christian Pavon, probably to replace Walcott. Another player we should be looking at instead; young, hungry and not yet hit his peak years.

Agree 100%, they will be buying someone up and coming on lower wages than Walcott and far more potential .

Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Mick 1995 on January 10, 2018, 04:07:56 PM
So did Koeman. So if our next manager after Allardyce has similar sentiments (because Koeman's 'now' and Allardyces 'now' are past their best) then we're left with a lot of expensive, ageing players who might not be what the new man wants.

Of course you need a balanced squad but to say that only players in their late 20's are able to deliver week in week out is bonkers.

It's not bonkers really.

Players who are physically in their prime can play more consitently than those not in their prime and learning their trade.
You've made an argument based on nothing more than you don't like the statement.

As mentioned, it doesn't matter that in a year we have ageing players - because we now have the funds to simply replace them.

It is clear that Unsworth has his own budget and he can deal with bringing in prospects. I want us to be promoting kids to the first team, not buying them.


Allardyce & Walsh = buy players who can walk into the team and replace somebody making us better immediately.
Unsworth & Walsh = buy kids with the express target of X amount of minutes spent on the pitch over the season by graduates.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Lxxx on January 10, 2018, 04:16:57 PM
It's not bonkers really.

Players who are physically in their prime can play more consitently than those not in their prime and learning their trade.
You've made an argument based on nothing more than you don't like the statement.

As mentioned, it doesn't matter that in a year we have ageing players - because we now have the funds to simply replace them.

It is clear that Unsworth has his own budget and he can deal with bringing in prospects. I want us to be promoting kids to the first team, not buying them.


Allardyce & Walsh = buy players who can walk into the team and replace somebody making us better immediately.
Unsworth & Walsh = buy kids with the express target of X amount of minutes spent on the pitch over the season by graduates.

But this is a topic about wingers. We already have two wingers arguably past their best in Lennon and Bolasie. We really don't need to be adding another one as well.

Plus rectifying mistakes every summer isn't really a sustainable model.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Mick 1995 on January 10, 2018, 04:29:18 PM
But this is a topic about wingers. We already have two wingers arguably past their best in Lennon and Bolasie. We really don't need to be adding another one as well.

Plus rectifying mistakes every summer isn't really a sustainable model.

Why isn't it sustainable? there are 6 clubs in this league who have a business model based upon it.

I'm not sure i'd agree Bolasie & Walcott are past their best either. I'd say both are as good as they will ever be. I'd agree they wont get better, but not that they are 'past' their best.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Lxxx on January 10, 2018, 04:54:23 PM
Why isn't it sustainable? there are 6 clubs in this league who have a business model based upon it.

I'm not sure i'd agree Bolasie & Walcott are past their best either. I'd say both are as good as they will ever be. I'd agree they wont get better, but not that they are 'past' their best.

Walcott has dropped out of the Arsenal and England reckoning having once been a regular in both. His career is on the way down. Whether we get a brief 'new club bounce' or not is a very expensive risk. One that didn't work with Schneiderlin.

With Bolasie that's why I said 'arguably' as we don't know what player we're getting back after a serious injury. He's 29 soon and was a player who relied largely on pace for his game, as most do on the flanks, so he is another whose future performance levels are as yet unknown. I personally don't think having two 29 year old's on the flanks is going to give us much longevity in those positions and you can't just keep saying 'oh we'll replace them next summer then because we can' because having players on six figures a week aren't easy to shift.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Mick 1995 on January 10, 2018, 05:20:24 PM
Simply disagree with the wingers ages.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: blue1948 on January 10, 2018, 05:27:13 PM
Why isn't it sustainable? there are 6 clubs in this league who have a business model based upon it.

I'm not sure i'd agree Bolasie & Walcott are past their best either. I'd say both are as good as they will ever be. I'd agree they wont get better, but not that they are 'past' their best.
I don't see your model as sustainable for us we simply don't have the financial clout the others have because the top six do it doesn't mean it is available to us .We get so many saying that Mr moshiri has put nothing into the club and then we get you saying we can blow 100mill every summer !
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: TheRam on January 10, 2018, 05:31:48 PM
We do have lookman, onyekuru to come back, vlasic and dowell, plus we have just got rid of Mirallas.

So signing someone of walcotts age is balanced out by the above. It's just a very uninspiring signing and makes you question the transfer strategy.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Lxxx on January 10, 2018, 05:34:39 PM
Simply disagree with the wingers ages.

I'm sure they could provide a birth certificate if requested.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Mick 1995 on January 10, 2018, 05:44:08 PM
I don't see your model as sustainable for us we simply don't have the financial clout the others have because the top six do it doesn't mean it is available to us .We get so many saying that Mr moshiri has put nothing into the club and then we get you saying we can blow 100mill every summer !

Those that say he has put nothing in are wrong though.

Until the TV bubble bursts (which we've been worried about for 20 years now) then we can easily spend £100m every summer without breaking sweat.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Lincs Toffee on January 10, 2018, 05:46:55 PM
We do have lookman, onyekuru to come back, vlasic and dowell, plus we have just got rid of Mirallas.

So signing someone of walcotts age is balanced out by the above. It's just a very uninspiring signing and makes you question the transfer strategy.

I think that is the problem, we don't appear to have any transfer strategy from what has passed.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: blue1948 on January 10, 2018, 05:48:31 PM
Those that say he has put nothing in are wrong though.

Until the TV bubble bursts (which we've been worried about for 20 years now) then we can easily spend £100m every summer without breaking sweat.
Yes basically but there are a lot more expenses like players increased wages that come into play but the top six actually buy only a few in that age group they all try to buy them young and groom them or sell them for a profit ,take Chelsea with 300 professionals on their books
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: GLewis on January 10, 2018, 05:49:37 PM
We do have lookman, onyekuru to come back, vlasic and dowell, plus we have just got rid of Mirallas.

So signing someone of walcotts age is balanced out by the above. It's just a very uninspiring signing and makes you question the transfer strategy.

We also bought Pickford, Keane, Klaassen and Sandro who are all under 25.

Issues is weíve only had 1 (and a half) out of those 4 players.

Weíve had a fairly mixed approach age wise of signings as you point out.

So Iíd say policy is buy some young and some here and now.

Issue is players like Schneiderlin havenít provided the consistency guarantee that you expect/want from that age profile.

From our position (way off top 6), unless out 20-24 scouting is immaculate then we do need some players above that who ďshouldĒ produce to a decent level every week while the younger ones we have signed improve to / past that level.

We always had the older profile players but difference was they were already here / were cheap in the first place (Cahill, Arteta, Pienaar)
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Mick 1995 on January 10, 2018, 05:54:13 PM
Yes basically but there are a lot more expenses like players increased wages that come into play but the top six actually buy only a few in that age group they all try to buy them young and groom them or sell them for a profit ,take Chelsea with 300 professionals on their books

We're doing that as well are we not?

DCL, Lookman, Onyekuru, Donkor, Henen & Sambou are all people that fall into the buy em young and either they make it or they are sold for more money that we bought type investments.
Added to that the miracle of sheer volume of kids coming through our own academy and then it all looks similar. We're covering from both ends.

Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: brap2 on January 10, 2018, 06:36:30 PM
We also bought Pickford, Keane, Klaassen and Sandro who are all under 25.

Issues is weíve only had 1 (and a half) out of those 4 players.

Weíve had a fairly mixed approach age wise of signings as you point out.

So Iíd say policy is buy some young and some here and now.

Issue is players like Schneiderlin havenít provided the consistency guarantee that you expect/want from that age profile.

From our position (way off top 6), unless out 20-24 scouting is immaculate then we do need some players above that who ďshouldĒ produce to a decent level every week while the younger ones we have signed improve to / past that level.

We always had the older profile players but difference was they were already here / were cheap in the first place (Cahill, Arteta, Pienaar)

Plus I think thereís an argument in the idea that age of player can lead to them being undervalued as an asset.

E.g Walcott got 19 Goals last year, how much would Zaha go for if he got 19 Goals this year?

I am playing devils advocate a bit cause Iím trying to convince myself itís not a terrible idea, but a goal scoring wide right forward is very difficult position to buy. Gamble on his fitness and production numbers. £20m and £120-£140k wages would be gruesome but not the end of the world.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on January 10, 2018, 06:40:14 PM
Plus I think there’s an argument in the idea that age of player can lead to them being undervalued as an asset.

E.g Walcott got 19 Goals last year, how much would Zaha go for if he got 19 Goals this year?

I am playing devils advocate a bit cause I’m trying to convince myself it’s not a terrible idea, but a goal scoring wide right forward is very difficult position to buy. Gamble on his fitness and production numbers. £20m and £120-£140k wages would be gruesome but not the end of the world.

Context.

Walcott got 19 goals for Arsenal.

We are no where near Arsenal. we muster a couple of chances per game.

Walcott would sink like a stone here.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: GLewis on January 10, 2018, 06:46:54 PM
Plus I think thereís an argument in the idea that age of player can lead to them being undervalued as an asset.

E.g Walcott got 19 Goals last year, how much would Zaha go for if he got 19 Goals this year?

I am playing devils advocate a bit cause Iím trying to convince myself itís not a terrible idea, but a goal scoring wide right forward is very difficult position to buy. Gamble on his fitness and production numbers. £20m and £120-£140k wages would be gruesome but not the end of the world.

I mean you can take each individual transfer and debate until whenever about it.

I do think we need a few more ďbigĒ fees for players who are 20-22 but then if theyíre anyway established then they wonít come here.

If theyíre half way to being established then say £40m for someone from France (or wherever) that isnít good enough yet for a CL team carries its own risks of never working out.

Out of Stones, Lukaku and Barkley only Lukaku was fairly certain of being a top player and immediately ready (for us) to be a first team player.

Barkley was a youth player (no reason why we wonít find another at some point); Stones no different from many of our recent signings as in a hopeful punt from lower leagues.

But until we have a settled side(s) that even when we are poor, never look like dropping below 7th then we do need some players who will be good for 2-3 years.

Otherwise weíll always be waiting for the next bus while in danger of poor performance dropping us way off the top 6 (as we have seen in 3 of last 4 seasons).

But as stated itís the players weíve signed rather than the profile mix for me.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: van der Meyde on January 10, 2018, 06:50:17 PM
Can't say I particularly buy the arguments of spending £20m+ on these established players in that 26-29 age bracket, personally.

These players are generally only available to us in the first place for one of two reasons. They're either too inconsistent for the teams above us or aren't good enough for them. Neither of which screams closing the gap or reliability.

If they've got a release clause like Gueye, it makes sense. But if it's players we can rely on in the short-term we're after, I think we're financially probably better off with older players (like Williams) or trying to get some free transfer bargains.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: D15TIN on January 10, 2018, 11:35:45 PM
We need to sign a LB before considering any wingers or anything else, left back has to be a priority at this moment

On Walcott - id take him definitely for a reasonable price (20mill or less), he scored 19 from midfield last season in all comps and has 3 in Europe this season, he's a more clinical version of aaron lennon I think and a year or 2 younger.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Dr. Sponge on January 10, 2018, 11:38:14 PM
A left back please.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Bob Sacamano on January 11, 2018, 05:41:43 AM
A left back please.

Will probs be Garbutt






 
:smug:





Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: dangermouse on January 11, 2018, 04:24:39 PM
Context.

Walcott got 19 goals for Arsenal.

We are no where near Arsenal. we muster a couple of chances per game.

Walcott would sink like a stone here.

Why bother buying anyone to improve the team then.....  Id argue that if we were to buy him he would easily be our best attacking player.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Robioto on January 11, 2018, 05:56:29 PM
Walcott belongs in the Jack Wilshere category - overatted, overpaid, media darling, but shit and never fulfilling any potential.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: blargins on January 11, 2018, 06:11:03 PM
Would Walcott in and Niasse out be acceptable?
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Redartin on January 11, 2018, 06:32:38 PM
Is Theo Walcott the best player Walsh can produce, for that position, for that sort of money? Really?

If he is, well I think it is time Walsh took a hike.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: ajax_andy on January 11, 2018, 06:39:02 PM
Would Walcott in and Niasse out be acceptable?

On paper yes... but wages would be what, treble maybe what Niasse is on, which will factor in improving other areas of the team.  So I'd still say no, he's just not worth the wage he'd command.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Hawkandro on January 11, 2018, 06:57:16 PM
Is Theo Walcott the best player Walsh can produce, for that position, for that sort of money? Really?

If he is, well I think it is time Walsh took a hike.

I bet this is Sam pushing this one, he has said he wants more players in the 26-30 age range.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: gizzblue on January 11, 2018, 07:13:20 PM
Half the shouts on here anyone would think NSNo'ers are paying his fucking wages 😅😅

Take him all fucking day we need attackers ...18 goals last year pretty much off the bench ffs.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 11, 2018, 07:15:31 PM
Half the shouts on here anyone would think NSNo'ers are paying his fucking wages 😅😅

Take him all fucking day we need attackers ...18 goals last year pretty much off the bench ffs.

Shouldn't we be concerned with value for money?
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: gizzblue on January 11, 2018, 07:21:11 PM
Shouldn't we be concerned with value for money?
Not unless its your money ...i really don't see the issue ...if the club think it's too much then fair enough 👍...but I'd doubt Walsh or Sam will be reading our input here before making decisions on finance ...this ain't FM .😅😅
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Lxxx on January 11, 2018, 07:24:02 PM
Is Theo Walcott the best player Walsh can produce, for that position, for that sort of money? Really?

If he is, well I think it is time Walsh took a hike.

This. Smacks to me of yet another manager dictating to Walsh and soft lad going along with it.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Major Clanger on January 11, 2018, 07:27:27 PM
Shouldn't we be concerned with value for money?

Would he be shitter than Klaassen?
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: gizzblue on January 11, 2018, 07:30:21 PM
Would he be shitter than Klaassen?
Fucking hell. ..he may have had injuries etc but Walcott can hack the prem. ..we ain't seen any of that from little Davy.. ..gets knocked pillar to post every time he's tried .
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: blargins on January 11, 2018, 07:44:06 PM
On paper yes... but wages would be what, treble maybe what Niasse is on, which will factor in improving other areas of the team.  So I'd still say no, he's just not worth the wage he'd command.


Agreed, there's other players other than Walcott.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 11, 2018, 07:46:25 PM
Not unless its your money ...i really don't see the issue ...if the club think it's too much then fair enough 👍...but I'd doubt Walsh or Sam will be reading our input here before making decisions on finance ...this ain't FM .😅😅

Well then who shouldn't we sign. Everyone might be useful at some stage.

You simply can't discuss a potential signing without considering value.

Walcott for 50m and 200k a week?? You still a yes? 100m and 500k a week? Not your money remember
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: gizzblue on January 11, 2018, 09:28:33 PM
Well then who shouldn't we sign. Everyone might be useful at some stage.

You simply can't discuss a potential signing without considering value.

Walcott for 50m and 200k a week?? You still a yes? 100m and 500k a week? Not your money remember
Like I said isn't that the club's problem though ...by all means if you think he's shite say he's shite. and I will gladly applaud your view ,that's fair enough but to worry about his big wage is worse than being  a "net spend" whinger imho and as futile too ☺...unless of course your paying him out your own pocket.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: brap2 on January 11, 2018, 09:37:18 PM
Walcott belongs in the Jack Wilshere category - overatted, overpaid, media darling, but shit and never fulfilling any potential.

Jack Wilshere is an absolute myth of a player





And would walk into our team and be the best midfielder with his feet tied together.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: gizzblue on January 11, 2018, 09:44:40 PM
Jack Wilshere is an absolute myth of a player





And would walk into our team and be the best midfielder with his feet tied together.
Id have him playing the way he's been the last ten games or so ....but that's probably all you will get for the best part of two seasons out of him now☺..could be a great addition to our treatment room though ....now Coleman is training .
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Waltzer on January 11, 2018, 09:46:31 PM
Well then who shouldn't we sign. Everyone might be useful at some stage.

You simply can't discuss a potential signing without considering value.

Walcott for 50m and 200k a week?? You still a yes? 100m and 500k a week? Not your money remember

I think you need to consider wages, im never really worried about the fee. The fee is just a figure someone is happy to pay and someone is happy to sell at, the wages can cause discontent within the ranks. I think there does need to be a structure within a team to keep that cohesion and im worried weve been a bit hap hazard in dishing out big contracts to players that aren't good enough and we'll struggle to shift.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: brap2 on January 11, 2018, 09:47:07 PM
Id have him playing the way he's been the last ten games or so ....but that's probably all you will get for the best part of two seasons out of him now☺..could be a great addition to our treatment room though ....now Coleman is training .

For the price and wages itíd be a bad idea because heís got injury and fitness and attitude problems (biftas) but heís well better than any CM weíve got.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Bob Sacamano on January 11, 2018, 09:56:08 PM
In the majority here of not being overly keen. But I also know heíd finish our top scorer for the next 2 seasons.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: boothill on January 11, 2018, 10:05:16 PM
have we got anybody better than him at the moment ?
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: brap2 on January 11, 2018, 10:05:21 PM
In the majority here of not being overly keen. But I also know heíd finish our top scorer for the next 2 seasons.

I keep flip flopping Iím really not sure.

End of the day, at his worst heís probably still better than say Mirallas or Lennon.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: toshyboy on January 11, 2018, 10:30:49 PM
https://evertonthat.com/2018/01/11/breaking-everton-lodge-first-bid-for-theo-walcott-premier-league-transfer-news/#more-786
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 11, 2018, 10:44:11 PM
Can't make my mind up on him
He is quick and direct and a decent finisher, something we have not got, however he is rarely fit and is prone to being, well, a bit shit too
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: TheRam on January 11, 2018, 10:46:04 PM
In the majority here of not being overly keen. But I also know heíd finish our top scorer for the next 2 seasons.

Nahhhh. Can't see that myself.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: therealdunc on January 11, 2018, 11:24:47 PM
Heís an ageing athlete, not a footballer
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Shropshire Blue on January 11, 2018, 11:44:00 PM
Well then who shouldn't we sign. Everyone might be useful at some stage.

You simply can't discuss a potential signing without considering value.

Walcott for 50m and 200k a week?? You still a yes? 100m and 500k a week? Not your money remember
The only people who can judge 'value' are the people within the club who put up the money and know what they are looking for.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Alanvideo on January 11, 2018, 11:44:58 PM
It's going to be another Giroud where his wife has the final say
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: boothill on January 11, 2018, 11:48:08 PM
He's an ageing athlete, not a footballer
And here's me thinking he was employed by arsenal football club as a professional footballer all these years, won england caps and trophies too. i must have an appropriate lack of respect , fake history. He was really turning out in the modern pentathlon for london city AAC
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: boothill on January 11, 2018, 11:49:37 PM
It's going to be another Giroud where his wife has the final say
ive heard hes married to john terrys mam, so could be a goer
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 12, 2018, 12:09:01 AM
The only people who can judge 'value' are the people within the club who put up the money and know what they are looking for.

So what are we commenting on here? What's the point. Just start a topic and everyone can write whatever the club decides underneath

Isn't that what a forums for to put ourselves in their position and give our opinions.

I mean what do you think of Niasse? Same as the coaching staff. Any opinion on the new stadium. Ask the architect? We best shut the forum down
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Bluedylan on January 12, 2018, 12:28:53 AM
I suspect that when people think of and picture Walcott they are thinking of him about 6 years ago, tearing Liverpool apart and being absolutely lightening, rather than the reality of his current situation where the vast majority of Arsenal fans want him out of the club because he's so ineffective as a player, has never developed and has absolutely no edge to his personality or his game.

Swerve.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: woodduck on January 12, 2018, 12:33:47 AM
My opinion is Walcott is not the sort of player we should be going for.
We are supposed to be ambitious now. We are supposed to be able to offer great contracts. We are supposed to be looking for upcoming talent with our new DoF.
What are people in the club getting paid for here? I could have recommended Theo and ask for half the salary of Walsh.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Macca77 on January 12, 2018, 12:56:58 AM
25 million bid made apparently, he prefers us to Southampton
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Shropshire Blue on January 12, 2018, 12:59:50 AM
So what are we commenting on here? What's the point. Just start a topic and everyone can write whatever the club decides underneath

Isn't that what a forums for to put ourselves in their position and give our opinions.

I mean what do you think of Niasse? Same as the coaching staff. Any opinion on the new stadium. Ask the architect? We best shut the forum down
People can have an opinion of what type of player he is, an opinion of his temperament, what he might bring to the squad and a million other things but the only people who JUDGE value are the people within the club who put up the money and know what THEY are looking for.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: School of Science on January 12, 2018, 01:01:05 AM
I'd take him scored 19 last year, needs a run in a team to improve, just a little worried over his injury record.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: kramer0 on January 12, 2018, 01:06:01 AM
The only people who can judge 'value' are the people within the club who put up the money and know what they are looking for.

What concerns me is that the people who put up the money don't seem understand value or know what they're looking for.

That's how we ended up making boring, average managers like Ronald Koeman and Sam Allardyce among the top 10 highest paid in Europe.

That's how, with (at least) the 7th highest wage bill in England, we're scrapping to fight off the likes of Burnley, Leicester, and Watford for 7th place.

That's how, with a top 20 wage bill in Europe, we didn't even look like we belonged on the pitch against Lyon and Atalanta (whose marquee signing last summer was Marten de Roon from relegated Middlesbrough).

Maybe if more fans speak up and say "hey, stop being so fucking stupid," the club might actually try to make positive changes to the way it makes football decisions. We should be Europa League contenders with the amount we spend.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: blue slug on January 12, 2018, 01:10:59 AM
Heís not my first choice but if he can get a run of games and stay fit heís definitely better than miralles and Lennon so worth signing if fee is reasonable
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Stumpy on January 12, 2018, 01:15:32 AM
He’s an ageing athlete, not a footballer

My lads a goner,and he's always refered to Walcott as a sprinter in football boots.It's a big no off me,i've never rated him.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Stumpy on January 12, 2018, 01:19:07 AM
My lads a goner,and he's always refered to Walcott as a sprinter in football boots.It's a big no off me,i've never rated him.
Sorry,my lads not a goner,he's a gooner lol.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Major Clanger on January 12, 2018, 01:20:59 AM
Maybe if more fans speak up and say "hey, stop being so fucking stupid," the club might actually try to make positive changes to the way it makes football decisions.

Don't put money on it.

Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Confucius on January 12, 2018, 01:24:17 AM
Heís an ageing athlete, not a footballer

IS this your new phrase? It's a load of shit so stop it now.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: eugene on January 12, 2018, 01:30:00 AM
Would be unhappy with Walcott or Del. Sign one of the best up and coming wingers, and let them improve at the club. Someone like that Hirving Lozano guy. Need to be thinking longer term than these expensive, short-term options.
I agree to a point but I would prefer a winger for the now
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: bigl1cks on January 12, 2018, 01:41:16 AM
Could be our Vardy
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 12, 2018, 01:53:05 AM
People can have an opinion of what type of player he is, an opinion of his temperament, what he might bring to the squad and a million other things but the only people who JUDGE value are the people within the club who put up the money and know what THEY are looking for.


Sorry but that's nonsense. You can't debate the value of a signing if you don't factor in cost

Andy Carroll was a bad buy because they paid 35m for him. If they'd got him for 500k the same player would have been a fantastic buy
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: gizzblue on January 12, 2018, 02:49:06 AM
Sorry but that's nonsense. You can't debate the value of a signing if you don't factor in cost

Andy Carroll was a bad buy because they paid 35m for him. If they'd got him for 500k the same player would have been a fantastic buy
But again does value really matter to anyone on here ???.. when it's sweet fuck all to do with any of us in reality.

He's either good enough 'go get him' or shite 'don't bother' ..... especially in the ever increasing mad hatters tea party figures being bandied about for players and the wages lately .
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 12, 2018, 02:56:22 AM
But again does value really matter to anyone on here ???.. when it's sweet fuck all to do with any of us in reality.

He's either good enough 'go get him' or shite 'don't bother' ..... especially in the ever increasing mad hatters tea party figures being bandied about for players and the wages lately .

Of course it does because we have a budget. We get more for the money if we get value

Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: gizzblue on January 12, 2018, 03:00:26 AM
Of course it does because we have a budget. We get more for the money if we get value
But we don't get shit in reality .. ..cos we Don't get a say at the end of the day do we .

The control freaks among us..really have to let the men actually running the club worry about the money😆.side of it.
Also what budget are we talking has Moshi told you how much has willing to spend like ?.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 12, 2018, 03:13:29 AM
But we don't get shit in reality .. ..cos we Don't get a say at the end of the day do we .

The control freaks among us..really have to let the men actually running the club worry about the money😆.side of it.
Also what budget are we talking has Moshi told you how much has willing to spend like ?.

So what's the point of a Walcott thread..... we don't get a say. What's the point of any of them. Should just have threads on what we are having for tea or what colour pants we are gonna wear.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: blue slug on January 12, 2018, 03:19:31 AM
So what's the point of a Walcott thread..... we don't get a say. What's the point of any of them. Should just have threads on what we are having for tea or what colour pants we are gonna wear.

I had chicken and rice and wearing Star Wars pants 👍
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 12, 2018, 03:21:45 AM
I had chicken and rice and wearing Star Wars pants 👍

Very nice. I'm currently in a pair of superman jimjams and shamefully I had 8 penguins for tea. The chocolate bar not the bird. Just not very good for a diet
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: blue slug on January 12, 2018, 03:25:43 AM
We should start a new thread lol 😆
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: UnsyisaRhino on January 12, 2018, 03:29:50 AM
But we don't get shit in reality .. ..cos we Don't get a say at the end of the day do we .

The control freaks among us..really have to let the men actually running the club worry about the money😆.side of it.
Also what budget are we talking has Moshi told you how much has willing to spend like ?.

Such a bizarre point of view. We dont have unlimited funds and we do have to consider the long term effects of what we spend, on who and with shat wages.

 The value of any player is automatically linked to what you pay and how that compares to players in the squad and of similar ability elsewhere.

Its not about being a control freak, its about assessing thr quality of a purchase, any purchase.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Ramjam on January 12, 2018, 03:30:47 AM
Pork curry and my lucky Everton undies, curry was great but need a couple of new signings for the undies to kick on
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: gizzblue on January 12, 2018, 03:32:45 AM
So what's the point of a Walcott thread..... we don't get a say. What's the point of any of them. Should just have threads on what we are having for tea or what colour pants we are gonna wear.
Oh well debate away to your hearts content on "value" as only you and Moshi know how much he has to blow on wages and transfers  ..the rest of us will just debate if their good enough or not ...and he is .😉
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on January 12, 2018, 05:22:21 AM
https://twitter.com/bbcsport_david/status/951592473427574784
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: blargins on January 12, 2018, 07:02:54 AM
Thought he would have had a better ratio than 1 in 4.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Hawkandro on January 12, 2018, 02:51:48 PM
I agree to a point but I would prefer a winger for the now

Lozano would be a winger for the now. Great talent.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: TheRam on January 12, 2018, 03:12:17 PM
Be surprised if this doesn't happen given the constant reports.

Don't know if that makes me happy or not.

He's 29 in March and hasn't started a single premier league game this season.

Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Mick 1995 on January 12, 2018, 03:16:12 PM
Did he really score 19 last year?
Because if he did that seems to fly int he face of the "he's ineffective" opinion held by a few on here (including some people who's opinion i trust on football).

Financial & value arguments are all relative.
£20m nowadays is insignificant. We've just paid more than that on somebody who has all the hallmarks of being a Mikel Madar type signing.
Wages? yeah, i think that's something that's more important, because that's relative to other people currently in the squad.

But from the sounds of things Moshiri was willing to pay weekly wages that "we wouldn't believe" to Lukaku. Wage as a percentage of turnover has gone down this year so we can afford a decent old rise in wages in the summer. so th eonly argument is how the Bolasie's & Sigurdssons of the world judge the value of £120k a week for Walcott
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on January 12, 2018, 03:19:21 PM
Sam in his conference then just spoke openly about how the talks with Walcott are progressing, looks like it's defo gonna happen.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Gumpinio on January 12, 2018, 03:25:55 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42660224

"Everton manager Sam Allardyce has confirmed the club is negotiating with Arsenal to sign Theo Walcott on a permanent deal."
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Cozzie on January 12, 2018, 03:26:45 PM
I'd still be happy with him here.

Not exactly a signing to set the pulse racing but an improvement on Mirallas if you are looking at the "one in, one out" side of things.

He will step us up that level I believe.

Him and Bolasie on the wings with the options of Lennon, Lookman and Vlasic also we cant argue we dont have decent wide options.

I get the argumemt we should buy players with potential to improve but nothing wrong with getting players in for the now either and getting the balance right, we have Vlasic and Lookman for the later if they prove their potential.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Waltzer on January 12, 2018, 03:26:49 PM
I think he'd Walk into our team and from my perspective thats the main thing. Hes got pace and with him one side and Bolasie the other, Sig behind Tosun I think that would be a pretty respectable front line. They could really do some damage and tire the opposition allowing the likes of Lookman to come on and have a real go for the last 30 mins
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Macca77 on January 12, 2018, 03:28:13 PM
Hes an instant upgrade on Mirallas and Lennon

Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Macca77 on January 12, 2018, 03:37:23 PM
Wenger was pretty coy as well there, just said I cannot tell you anything but he is still an Arsenal player
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: dax78 on January 12, 2018, 03:51:10 PM
Is he currently fit, and available
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Lxxx on January 12, 2018, 03:51:58 PM
Wenger was pretty coy as well there, just said I cannot tell you anything but he is still an Arsenal player

Probably because he knows he's fucked up. If he gets decent offers for Walcott, Sanchez and Ozil then he's left with an ageing Giroud, an injury-probe Welbeck and a badly out of form Lacazette to try and get top 4.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Robioto on January 12, 2018, 03:54:02 PM
Happening isn't it? Brings pace but little else.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Waltzer on January 12, 2018, 03:57:48 PM
Probably because he knows he's fucked up. If he gets decent offers for Walcott, Sanchez and Ozil then he's left with an ageing Giroud, an injury-probe Welbeck and a badly out of form Lacazette to try and get top 4.

They're after Malcom, whoever he is, and Sanchez is a difficult one, why sell him for 20 million and miss out on CL, I can see them keeping him and letting him go for nothing in the summer?

And id still have an ageing Giroud if we could get him as part of the Walcott deal, maybe their wife's are friends and Mrs Giroud would be open to the move of moving up North?
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: dangermouse on January 12, 2018, 04:03:29 PM
Can't make my mind up on him
He is quick and direct and a decent finisher, something we have not got, however he is rarely fit and is prone to being, well, a bit shit too

Id suggest saying hes "rarely fit"  is a bit harsh. Hes played more than 30 games a season for all but two seasons of his Arsenal career.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Waltzer on January 12, 2018, 04:05:49 PM
Happening isn't it? Brings pace but little else.

Little else?
2017/18 = 15 games 4 goals
2016/17 = 37 games 19 goals
2015/16 = 42 games 9 goals
2014/15 = 22 games 7 goals
2013/14 = 18 games 6 goals

Hes basically got a 1 in 3 record over that period, and you can see when he gets a run of games hes very productive. If he brings very little else, how would you quantify what Lennon, Miralles or any of our other wingers bring to the team? Granted he isnt Messi but to say he brings little else is harsh!
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: TheRam on January 12, 2018, 04:06:44 PM
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theo_Walcott

There's the numbers for people.

Last season was his most productive, yet he couldn't get in the team this season?

Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: dangermouse on January 12, 2018, 04:09:09 PM
But we don't get shit in reality .. ..cos we Don't get a say at the end of the day do we .

The control freaks among us..really have to let the men actually running the club worry about the money😆.side of it.
Also what budget are we talking has Moshi told you how much has willing to spend like ?.

I imagine you have some really interesting opinions on net spend too.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: dangermouse on January 12, 2018, 04:15:06 PM
Happening isn't it? Brings pace but little else.

19 goals last season, 10 goals in 23 prem starts........
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: BlueNoseMike on January 12, 2018, 04:16:48 PM
2 years younger I believe this would be a snip. As it is it's probably still a decent price in today's market.

My only worry is if lookman and vlasic look at this and think I'm leaving.

If they stay then we've gone from having no pace/width  to lots of it next season

Bolasie
Walcott
Lookman
Onyekuru
Lennon (probably off)
Vlasic (less pacey but a good wide player
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Macca77 on January 12, 2018, 04:18:23 PM
Imagine being an Arsenal fan, Wenger took the to new heights when he arrived, the invincibles etc, now all of their best players want to leave, he still refuses to spend the huge amount of money he's got on new players (denied the Malcolm link and said he will only bring the right players in yet again) the majority of fans them want him gone, in reality he should've gone years ago.

We'd be made up with a few FA Cups like.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Lxxx on January 12, 2018, 04:20:32 PM
He kind of plays in an inside right position, always looking to get in and around the box and on the back of the last defender to be a goal threat. All our other wingers don't get anywhere near the area so on that score he'd be an asset.

I keep flip flopping on this signing. Pretty unimaginative but could be pretty productive.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Macca77 on January 12, 2018, 04:22:27 PM
He kind of plays in an inside right position, always looking to get in and around the box and on the back of the last defender to be a goal threat. All our other wingers don't get anywhere near the area so on that score he'd be an asset.

I keep flip flopping on this signing. Pretty unimaginative but could be pretty productive.

I'm pretty much the same, he offers pace and scores goals though which is better than what we've got now, than what we've had for years actually, Walcott and a fully fit Bolasie will be great to see.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Waltzer on January 12, 2018, 04:22:28 PM
2 years younger I believe this would be a snip. As it is it's probably still a decent price in today's market.

My only worry is if lookman and vlasic look at this and think I'm leaving.

If they stay then we've gone from having no pace/width  to lots of it next season

Bolasie
Walcott
Lookman
Onyekuru
Lennon (probably off)
Vlasic (less pacey but a good wide player

Thats my main concern, I think the positives with Walcott are that he'd still be a genuine threat through the middle if required. We dont know how Tosun will get on, but if he struggles we could chuck Walcott up there and still play one of the others. I also think it'll take him a few weeks to get up to speed to play a full 90 minutes so id expect them to get plenty of game time anyway
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Mick 1995 on January 12, 2018, 04:25:27 PM
Allardyce confirming that we are only going after one target at a time and everything is tied up in Walcott at the minute.
The past has hinted that we do this, but it's devastating to find out it's actually true.

So if this dfrags on and falls through late we will have insufficient time to do anything else.

This club, man.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on January 12, 2018, 04:30:50 PM
True

https://twitter.com/1878carter/status/951761890010595328
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Cereal Killer on January 12, 2018, 04:31:32 PM
Allardyce confirming that we are only going after one target at a time and everything is tied up in Walcott at the minute.
The past has hinted that we do this, but it's devastating to find out it's actually true.

So if this dfrags on and falls through late we will have insufficient time to do anything else.

This club, man.

Steve Walsh needs to take a training course in multi-tasking
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 12, 2018, 04:31:37 PM
Imagine being an Arsenal fan, Wenger took the to new heights when he arrived, the invincibles etc, now all of their best players want to leave, he still refuses to spend the huge amount of money he's got on new players (denied the Malcolm link and said he will only bring the right players in yet again) the majority of fans them want him gone, in reality he should've gone years ago.

We'd be made up with a few FA Cups like.

He's got a bit of the Roberto martinezs about him. His project over the actual results. Though at least Wenger does seem to have some of the basics down
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: blargins on January 12, 2018, 04:35:41 PM
Steve Walsh needs to take a training course in multi-tasking
Or we need to hire a woman for the job.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on January 12, 2018, 04:37:27 PM
Context:

19 goals for Arsenal

Weíre not Arsenal. Nowhere near.

Last time I said this I also suggested Walcott would sink like a stone here. I was perhaps a little hasty in staying that.

Given the players at our disposal we would improve significantly to create more chances to help Walcott shine.

Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Mick 1995 on January 12, 2018, 04:41:48 PM
Context:

19 goals for Arsenal

Weíre not Arsenal. Nowhere near.

Last time I said this I also suggested Walcott would sink like a stone here. I was perhaps a little hasty in staying that.

Given the players at our disposal we would improve significantly to create more chances to help Walcott shine.



So, and i assume i must be massively wide of the mark here because it seems like nonsense:

We shouldn't buy good players because we don't have the calibre of players to play around them for them to continue being good?
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: dangermouse on January 12, 2018, 04:44:56 PM
So, and i assume i must be massively wide of the mark here because it seems like nonsense:

We shouldn't buy good players because we don't have the calibre of players to play around them for them to continue being good?

exactly, lets not buy good players because we arnt a good team   .......................
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Lxxx on January 12, 2018, 04:49:11 PM
So, and i assume i must be massively wide of the mark here because it seems like nonsense:

We shouldn't buy good players because we don't have the calibre of players to play around them for them to continue being good?

That's not the point he made.

He's saying (I think) that the way Arsenal play always creates chances for their attacking players to get on the scoresheet. The way we play of late significantly hinders the chances of our front players getting on the scoresheet. Of course the better the players we sign the higher likelihood we'll offer more up top but it's not a given he'll replicate his stats here.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: dangermouse on January 12, 2018, 04:52:50 PM
That's not the point he made.

He's saying (I think) that the way Arsenal play always creates chances for their attacking players to get on the scoresheet. The way we play of late significantly hinders the chances of our front players getting on the scoresheet. Of course the better the players we sign the higher likelihood we'll offer more up top but it's not a given he'll replicate his stats here.

I think that's a given but surely buying better players brings greater chance of success?
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: ally2 on January 12, 2018, 04:53:17 PM
I'm extremely whelmed
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on January 12, 2018, 04:54:14 PM
So, and i assume i must be massively wide of the mark here because it seems like nonsense:

We shouldn't buy good players because we don't have the calibre of players to play around them for them to continue being good?

Not sure where your going with this Mick.

Iím not suggesting we shouldnít sign him.

Heís a better option than Niasse or anyone else for that matter apart from maybe Tosun.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Mick 1995 on January 12, 2018, 04:58:19 PM
Not sure where your going with this Mick.

Iím not suggesting we shouldnít sign him.

Heís a better option than Niasse or anyone else for that matter apart from maybe Tosun.

oki, i did start it off with a caveat saying i must have it wrong because it looke da lot like you were saying we shouldn't sign him.
@Lxxx (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4362) cleared it up well though and i get where you were coming from now.

fwiw, i think Sigurdsson, Bolasie and Rooney are all capable of feeding/creating space & chances for Walcott. I think his very presence & movement will raise Schneiderlin as well to be fair.

But yeah, he is never, ever getting 19 goals in our team as it stands.
but, he will get into double figures over a season and gives Walsh/Allardyce a piece of good looking jigsaw to work with in the summer when identifying targets.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Confucius on January 12, 2018, 05:02:02 PM
For it to be mentioned by Sam means it's pretty much done.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: The Analog Kid on January 12, 2018, 05:24:19 PM
What does it mean for the likes of Lennon and Vlasic though?
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 12, 2018, 05:27:58 PM
So this is happening then
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Mick 1995 on January 12, 2018, 05:29:42 PM
What does it mean for the likes of Lennon and Vlasic though?

That they're getting moved down the pecking order.

Buying players that are better than the ones we have should never be stopped because we feel bad on the existing players.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: mikey_blue on January 12, 2018, 05:35:37 PM
What does it mean for the likes of Lennon and Vlasic though?

I reckon he's going to play him wide or up top in a 442. Lennon will be making way, there has been interest in him lately. 
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Cereal Killer on January 12, 2018, 05:37:25 PM
What does it mean for the likes of Lennon and Vlasic though?

I'd say Vlasic would be the bench option for wing, Lookman out on loan and Lennon as backup for any injuries/bans then released when his contract is up at the end of the season.....
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Macca77 on January 12, 2018, 05:41:16 PM
He could turn our fab 4 into the fantastic 5

No?

Ok then
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Lxxx on January 12, 2018, 05:42:09 PM
Swapping Walcott for Lennon, Bolasie for Sig (moving him inside) and Tosun for DCL means the front three look a lot more threatening and we can actually play on the counter attack again with a bit of presence and pace up top. I'm coming round to the idea now.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: TheRam on January 12, 2018, 05:51:22 PM
Walcott, bolasie, Sigurdsson is a very good midfield attacking three.

It's got everything you want. Add Rooney into the mix as well.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: The Analog Kid on January 12, 2018, 05:52:49 PM
I forgot about Lookman as well, fuckin ell.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: blargins on January 12, 2018, 05:56:50 PM
I love the way we're all trying to justify it now lol.

For 20 mill though, it's a no brainer.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: MIG on January 12, 2018, 06:04:25 PM
I'm actually pretty excited by this, been a Walcott fan for a long time. 
I see the risk and I get that the price may be too big but this is the type of signing I want to see.  I think he is a step up from what we have, is direct with pace and good finishing.  Him and Bolasie either side of the striker will create chances.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Juanito on January 12, 2018, 06:05:18 PM
Just asked a season ticket holder at Arsenal. He said ďrapid, no brain, too niceĒ
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Lxxx on January 12, 2018, 06:08:26 PM
Just asked a season ticket holder at Arsenal. He said “rapid, no brain, too nice”

He does look like he's shitting his pants when he has more than a split second to think about what he's going to do but if that split second is in the penalty area on the end of a through ball from Rooney/Sig then I'll take it as he's actually not a bad finisher.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on January 12, 2018, 06:10:50 PM
He's better than Niasse, Lennon (and Mirallas).

We're not going to get a Kane, or Sanchez (just yet).

Hes 28, fairly proven, and will get us goals and give us an actual threat of pace. So if his fitness is kind to us, then hes a good improvement for our attacking options, imo.

Sorry to all those who are expecting Messi, but it's a yes from me.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: gizzblue on January 12, 2018, 06:17:19 PM
I imagine you have some really interesting opinions on net spend too.
Not really I don't work in the financial department at Everton or for Moshiri ...so in 'reality' it means nowt to me or any supporter really .👍..as im not balancing the books and not working towards financial fair play rules .
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Bigjmill on January 12, 2018, 06:23:15 PM
Didn't Walcott have an issue with playing wide or was that just the media (or I am making it up). I always had it in my head that if he moved it would be to play up front.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: loroloco on January 12, 2018, 06:25:12 PM
I'm actually pretty excited by this, been a Walcott fan for a long time. 
I see the risk and I get that the price may be too big but this is the type of signing I want to see.  I think he is a step up from what we have, is direct with pace and good finishing.  Him and Bolasie either side of the striker will create chances.

agreed. however he seems to be a bit of a dick at times and i could foresee a situation where he thinks heīs too good for us and starts making demands that he wants to play up front and all that nonsense. personally i still think weīre a mid table team and need players that are up for a fight from time time, as well as them having the talent. i donīt think heīs the type. having the right characters is crucial. i wish him all the best in blue if he comes though and hope to be proved wrong.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Waltzer on January 12, 2018, 06:26:54 PM
Lennon has been a good servant, but hes out of contract in the summer and nowhere near good enough as a player, he seems like a nice bloke and all, but what happens to him really shouldnt affect our pursuit of Walcott.
Im more concerned about Lookman and Vlasic, but you'd hope they'd try to raise their own games to the new challenge that lies ahead, if they dont want to then why would we want them to stick around anyway?
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Tinga on January 12, 2018, 06:28:13 PM
I'd rather play him as a striker in all honesty.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Bluenose 91 on January 12, 2018, 06:31:41 PM
Unimaginative but will prove to be a decent signing I reckon.

Walcott Sigurdsson Bolasie

              Tosun

For the first time in a while that looks like a balanced attack.

Providing this Tosun isn't dog shit like.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Waltzer on January 12, 2018, 06:32:58 PM
Didn't Walcott have an issue with playing wide or was that just the media (or I am making it up). I always had it in my head that if he moved it would be to play up front.

He said he sees himself as a striker, Wenger rarely used him there. What it does emphasis is the fact that he'll give us options, which is another positive.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on January 12, 2018, 06:33:56 PM
I'm not getting too wet over it, but it is an improvement on what we have. Him and Bolasie wide, and Coleman coming back, and hopefully a new fast left back (here's hoping) would be a huge pace improvement over our oil tanker style of play we've suffered recently.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: eugene on January 12, 2018, 06:39:00 PM
I believe he would be a cracking signing, just hope he is over his injuries all we need is to ship out sick notes McCarthy Besic just to inherit a new one.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Bluedylan on January 12, 2018, 06:42:42 PM
Deeply, deeply unimaginative.

Also very short-term thinking.

Another nice player who goes missing when it's a fight, and who has no edge or snide to his game, things that we've lacked.

I don't believe 'is he better than what we have?' should be the defining criteria because every other winger in the league has a better goal scoring record than Aaron Lennon over the last two seasons, but that doesn't mean we should sign them.

We should be looking at players like Lozano or Pavon. The next generation of superstar wingers. Theo will need replacing and moving on in 18 months probably.

Also we need more players with football intelligence. He is severely lacking.

Anyway, that's my view and I'll leave it at that and not badger people with it.

I'll submit a full apology and retraction later on the season when he's banging them in for us.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: van der Meyde on January 12, 2018, 06:43:25 PM
I think he's a good player. He's unquestionably better than what we've got.

In the context of a season that's all but over though, it's a little more short-term than I'd like.

We have a window of opportunity to give our young players 5 months of pressure free first-team football. Yet here we are putting additional barriers in front of Calvert-Lewin, Lookman and Vlasic.

It's a results-driven business. Allardyce will 100% of the time choose a proven Walcott over an unproven Lookman (for example). Is Walcott better than Lookman now? Of course he is. Would Lookman be better for us in a couple of years time than a 30+ year old Walcott though? Quite possibly. Will Lookman progress if he's not actually playing first team football though? Not a chance.

Walcott's not going to be the difference between us winning a trophy or not this season. He's not going to be the difference between finishing in the top 4. He's not even going to be decisive in finishing the top 6. He might help us finish 7th, but half our fans don't even want that.

I don't particularly have any faith that Walcott or Tosun will prove the difference in future years either. So at this point it's all just a little disappointing for me really.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: blargins on January 12, 2018, 06:49:32 PM
I think he's a good player. He's unquestionably better than what we've got.

In the context of a season that's all but over though, it's a little more short-term than I'd like.

We have a window of opportunity to give our young players 5 months of pressure free first-team football. Yet here we are putting additional barriers in front of Calvert-Lewin, Lookman and Vlasic.

It's a results-driven business. Allardyce will 100% of the time choose a proven Walcott over an unproven Lookman (for example). Is Walcott better than Lookman now? Of course he is. Would Lookman be better for us in a couple of years time than a 30+ year old Walcott though? Quite possibly. Will Lookman progress if he's not actually playing first team football though? Not a chance.

Walcott's not going to be the difference between us winning a trophy or not this season. He's not going to be the difference between finishing in the top 4. He's not even going to be decisive in finishing the top 6. He might help us finish 7th, but half our fans don't even want that.

I don't particularly have any faith that Walcott or Tosun will prove the difference in future years either. So at this point it's all just a little disappointing for me really.

What barrier are we putting in front of DCL? He's had half a season to make the claim for the striker position, and while he has battled on and done the best he can, he is clearly not good enough to make the role his own. Whether he will improve to be that player, only time will tell. But he is clearly not the answer and having better quality strikers in the squad should help him be better. In terms of better quality rubbing off on him, competition, and also to ease the pressure of being the main man.

Would I prefer someone younger than Walcott? Of course, but a player in his mid 20s is going to cost a ton of money and likely wouldn't come to us. We need the mix of older and younger players throughout the squad.

At the end of the day, if he comes in for 20 mill, I think that's a reasonable fee. If we get the 13 for Niasse that's being branded about, then for just 7 more, we're getting a proven premiership player who is actually good.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 12, 2018, 06:52:19 PM
So, and i assume i must be massively wide of the mark here because it seems like nonsense:

We shouldn't buy good players because we don't have the calibre of players to play around them for them to continue being good?

We shouldn't buy the weakest players at the top sides and expect them to produce the form that made them the weakest players at the top sides

Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Mick 1995 on January 12, 2018, 06:55:33 PM
I don't believe 'is he better than what we have?' should be the defining criteria because every other winger in the league has a better goal scoring record than Aaron Lennon over the last two seasons, but that doesn't mean we should sign them.
Point blank disagree with you there. It is absolutely the defining criteria. Without passing that test then you get no further (after that you get into the 'is he the best we can get'/'is he worth the fee' questions. but they're all irrelevant compared to the above.

We should be looking at players like Lozano or Pavon. The next generation of superstar wingers.
2 genuine questions about this:
1) Will they be ready to start the first game of next season and actually be better than what we have immediately?
2) The second we put an offer in that is accepted, do you reckon Chelsea/City/Juve/Arsenal would sit back and let us have them?

 
keep reading @KoemansNumberTens (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=3905) , it was cleared up. (although, to your point specifically. What if the weakest players of the top sides are still miles better than our best players? Swerve them because they won't be quite as good for us?)
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: van der Meyde on January 12, 2018, 06:57:13 PM
What barrier are we putting in front of DCL?
I would have thought it was clear that I was more concerned by our wider players, like Lookman, but Tosun and Walcott are clearly barriers for Calvert-Lewin. Whether or not you rate him is entirely besides the point.

Whether he will improve to be that player, only time will tell. But he is clearly not the answer and having better quality strikers in the squad should help him be better. In terms of better quality rubbing off on him, competition, and also to ease the pressure of being the main man.
A player improving without playing because better players around him? I'm not sure I can think of one of those, to be honest. I'd love to hear a few examples?
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on January 12, 2018, 07:00:41 PM
For it to be mentioned by Sam means it's pretty much done.

The brown envelopes stuffed with unmarked fifties have been exchanged.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: blargins on January 12, 2018, 07:02:53 PM
I would have thought it was clear that I was more concerned by our wider players, like Lookman, but Tosun and Walcott are clearly barriers for Calvert-Lewin. Whether or not you rate him is entirely besides the point.
A player improving without playing because better players around him? I'm not sure I can think of one of those, to be honest. I'd love to hear a few examples?

It will be up to DCL to up his game then to prove he should be the main man. The fact he hasn't done it for half a season is why we're buying reinforcements.

As for the other wide players, they are not as good as Walcott yet. They've shown flashes, but they are not consistent enough for a prolonged spell in the team.

Your final question, being around better players should certainly help improve a player. Absolutely. When you learn something, do you learn from someone who knows less or more about the subject than you?
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Bluedylan on January 12, 2018, 07:04:24 PM
Point blank disagree with you there. It is absolutely the defining criteria. Without passing that test then you get no further (after that you get into the 'is he the best we can get'/'is he worth the fee' questions. but they're all irrelevant compared to the above.
2 genuine questions about this:
1) Will they be ready to start the first game of next season and actually be better than what we have immediately?
2) The second we put an offer in that is accepted, do you reckon Chelsea/City/Juve/Arsenal would sit back and let us have them?

 
keep reading @KoemansNumberTens (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=3905) , it was cleared up. (although, to your point specifically. What if the weakest players of the top sides are still miles better than our best players? Swerve them because they won't be quite as good for us?)

So should we sign Chris Brunt or James McLean, because I think they've scored more than Lennon?

I think the question should be 'are they sufficiently better than what we have to justify the overall spend?' and will they improve.

Yes, Pavon or Lozano would be ready.

The big clubs don't sign all the best young players. A number of those players realise they need game time to develop. That's why Malcolm joined Bordeaux for example. That's why Lozano went to PSV. So for me, that argument doesn't wash at all.   
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: van der Meyde on January 12, 2018, 07:07:36 PM
It will be up to DCL to up his game then to prove he should be the main man. The fact he hasn't done it for half a season is why we're buying reinforcements.

As for the other wide players, they are not as good as Walcott yet. They've shown flashes, but they are not consistent enough for a prolonged spell in the team.

Your final question, being around better players should certainly help improve a player. Absolutely. When you learn something, do you learn from someone who knows less or more about the subject than you?
Not if I'm not putting it into action, no.

Would still love to hear some examples of players who've improved sat on the bench though.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Mick 1995 on January 12, 2018, 07:10:48 PM
So should we sign Chris Brunt or James McLean, because I think they've scored more than Lennon?

I think the question should be 'are they sufficiently better than what we have to justify the overall spend?' and will they improve.

Yes, Pavon or Lozano would be ready.

The big clubs don't sign all the best young players. A number of those players realise they need game time to develop. That's why Malcolm joined Bordeaux for example. That's why Lozano went to PSV. So for me, that argument doesn't wash at all.   

I don't, personally, think goal output is the only factor when judging if a non-striker is better than what we have.
I think, by any metric for those wide positions, Walcott is better than anybody we have. By some way.
So the peanuts we are paying for him doesn't come into it. Being honest, £20m is nothing nowadays (sickening as that is),

RE: 'next best things'. They are a gamble. They may or may not make it. the closer it is to certain that they will make it, the more chance the big clubs are already on their way with a cheque.
Now, obviously i'm not saying don't even bother. We should 100% be trying for that type of player.
I actually think we should be looking at both though.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: TheRam on January 12, 2018, 07:10:49 PM
I cant look past 19 goals last season at the moment.

If he can at least get double figures next season the that will make a massive difference to where we finish

But, I do still agree with a lot of points people like @Bluedylan (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=3747) are making

 
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: ally2 on January 12, 2018, 07:13:26 PM
It's annoying as there are so many clubs around Europe that play good football with very good players that they pick up for peanuts. It annoys me that the English game is seen as a money pit, and it annoys me further that we are paying an active part in it (compared to a team like Southampton for example).

On the other hand Allardyce may feel under pressure to deliver results to the owner and the fans so I can understand why he would be happy with this deal.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Waltzer on January 12, 2018, 07:16:46 PM
So should we sign Chris Brunt or James McLean, because I think they've scored more than Lennon?

I think the question should be 'are they sufficiently better than what we have to justify the overall spend?' and will they improve.

Yes, Pavon or Lozano would be ready.

The big clubs don't sign all the best young players. A number of those players realise they need game time to develop. That's why Malcolm joined Bordeaux for example. That's why Lozano went to PSV. So for me, that argument doesn't wash at all.   

Why does it have to be one or the other with regards to established or up and coming, you can get both, like I think we would if we got Walcott?

We've had Deulofeu, arguably one of the most sought after wingers in the world at that time and that didnt work, weve got Lookman who has massive potential and most teams would be after him, same with Vlasic. Swansea have got Sanchez, who was similar to Gerry, and he looks average at best. At least with Walcott it will give you the opportunity to play the up and coming players as and when it suits, and if they perform better than him then so be it.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Bluedylan on January 12, 2018, 07:23:12 PM
Why does it have to be one or the other with regards to established or up and coming, you can get both, like I think we would if we got Walcott?

We've had Deulofeu, arguably one of the most sought after wingers in the world at that time and that didnt work, weve got Lookman who has massive potential and most teams would be after him, same with Vlasic. Swansea have got Sanchez, who was similar to Gerry, and he looks average at best. At least with Walcott it will give you the opportunity to play the up and coming players as and when it suits, and if they perform better than him then so be it.

Fair enough mate. We just see it differently.

I feel like it's another 'secure 7th place at best' signing.

We don't have more money than other clubs so for me the only way to crack the top 6 (like Spurs) with less resources is to be cleverer and more astute in our transfers than the big boys.

For me, this is the opposite of that. Obvious, uninspiring and not taking us anywhere special.

I may be totally wrong, and like I say it's just a difference of opinion.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: blargins on January 12, 2018, 07:25:31 PM
Not if I'm not putting it into action, no.

Would still love to hear some examples of players who've improved sat on the bench though.

It wasn't a yes or no question.

As a player, do you think you would learn more by being around the likes of Wayne Rooney, Walcott etc or the likes of Shane Long or less than average players like that?

DCL will still get opportunities. He'll also be able to go back to learning at his own pace and not have the pressure to be the main goal scorer in one of the top clubs in the country. That will be of greater benefit to him.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: van der Meyde on January 12, 2018, 07:27:59 PM
Why does it have to be one or the other with regards to established or up and coming, you can get both, like I think we would if we got Walcott?

We've had Deulofeu, arguably one of the most sought after wingers in the world at that time and that didnt work, weve got Lookman who has massive potential and most teams would be after him, same with Vlasic.
Lookman has played 154 minutes for us in the league this season.

Vlasic has started 4 and came off the bench 4.

They're not going to suddenly get more game time with Walcott coming in and Bolasie coming back to fitness. That's why it's either or.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Waltzer on January 12, 2018, 07:28:22 PM
Fair enough mate. We just see it differently.

I feel like it's another 'secure 7th place at best' signing.

We don't have more money than other clubs so for me the only way to crack the top 6 (like Spurs) with less resources is to be cleverer and more astute in our transfers than the big boys.

For me, this is the opposite of that. Obvious, uninspiring and not taking us anywhere special.

I may be totally wrong, and like I say it's just a difference of opinion.

No I agree with you in principle, I don't think we can compete with those above us with regards to recruiting the elite players so getting the next 'elite' player is our main way of progressing. However, I think we first need to get a stable platform to build on and cement ourselves as the 6th/7th best team, thats why people like Walcott will help to do that. Although to be fair coming into this season I thought we had that, but apparently not!!
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: van der Meyde on January 12, 2018, 07:29:24 PM
It wasn't a yes or no question.

As a player, do you think you would learn more by being around the likes of Wayne Rooney, Walcott etc or the likes of Shane Long or less than average players like that?
So you can't give an example then?

Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Waltzer on January 12, 2018, 07:32:36 PM
Lookman has played 154 minutes for us in the league this season.

Vlasic has started 4 and came off the bench 4.

They're not going to suddenly get more game time with Walcott coming in and Bolasie coming back to fitness. That's why it's either or.

Dont know how you can say that categorically, weve only played 30 odd games and had 3 different managers with different expectations?

With Walcott, Tosun and Bolasie back I think we will have more attacking threat during the games now, with the potential of us being a couple goals up in games meaning substitutions wont be as game critical. Its easier to bring on youth with 10 to 20 minutes to go if you're 2 or 3 up compared to 1 up when any mistake could result in lost points.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: van der Meyde on January 12, 2018, 07:44:03 PM
Dont know how you can say that categorically, weve only played 30 odd games and had 3 different managers with different expectations?

With Walcott, Tosun and Bolasie back I think we will have more attacking threat during the games now, with the potential of us being a couple goals up in games meaning substitutions wont be as game critical. Its easier to bring on youth with 10 to 20 minutes to go if you're 2 or 3 up compared to 1 up when any mistake could result in lost points.
I mean, the sample size is more than just 30 games. Football is littered with players who had to move to succeed.

I think there's a lot of validity in that second point though.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Optimistic Blue on January 12, 2018, 07:46:26 PM
Rooney and Walcott up front?

Shouldn't they have won England a world cup by now?
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Redartin on January 12, 2018, 07:47:10 PM
25 million bid made apparently, he prefers us to Southampton
probably because they have more sense than us and wont pay as much.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Cereal Killer on January 12, 2018, 07:47:16 PM
Fair enough mate. We just see it differently.

I feel like it's another 'secure 7th place at best' signing.

We don't have more money than other clubs so for me the only way to crack the top 6 (like Spurs) with less resources is to be cleverer and more astute in our transfers than the big boys.

For me, this is the opposite of that. Obvious, uninspiring and not taking us anywhere special.

I may be totally wrong, and like I say it's just a difference of opinion.

This, however I feel we need to buy a number of this level of player in order to achieve 6th/7th/European football consistently and become more attractive when trying to secure potential/next tier of players

It's not an exciting signing, but I'm not enraged by it either
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Ross on January 12, 2018, 07:51:49 PM
It wasn't a yes or no question.

As a player, do you think you would learn more by being around the likes of Wayne Rooney, Walcott etc or the likes of Shane Long or less than average players like that?

DCL will still get opportunities. He'll also be able to go back to learning at his own pace and not have the pressure to be the main goal scorer in one of the top clubs in the country. That will be of greater benefit to him.

DCL has been directly involved in 40% of our league goals, and heís only played in his true position for a quarter of a season the rest of the time was spent either out wide or bizarrely as a wingback. Youíre doing him a massive disservice here Blargs itís clear to see heís being asked to carry the attack on his own and any experienced striker would struggle with that, as will Tosun if we continue to employe the sort of tactics that places our soul forward 40 yards advanced of any support and asked to battle with 3 or 4 defenders on his own.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on January 12, 2018, 07:52:19 PM

It's not an exciting signing

Really, not even the faintest dick twitch?

Ive gone max horn-dog.

Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: D15TIN on January 12, 2018, 07:54:44 PM
-------Gana Rooney

Walcott Sigurdsson Bolasie

----------Tosun

This the plan then?
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on January 12, 2018, 07:57:15 PM
The whole Ďnever reached his potentialí thing is so boring. How good did people think was going to be?! Such a lazy media narrative. Heís got almost 200 career goals/assists and heís won plenty. Heís had a good career.

Iíd rather someone younger but he will improve us in the short term and might get us further up the league so weíre in the position to tempt young talent, going forward.

Iím not sure I get the clubís transfer strategy...Ok, I donít actually think we have one. We seem to buy young players that arenít quite ready or solid pros for the Ďhere and nowí. I suppose the whole picture would like ok rosier if Klaassen, Sandro and Keane were cornerstones of the starting 11. Weíd certainly have a better average starting age.

I suppose itís a constant struggle as managers want the Ďheat and nowí bit yet DoFs have to be seen to have an eye on the future.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: mikey_blue on January 12, 2018, 07:58:43 PM
-------Gana Rooney

Walcott Sigurdsson Bolasie

----------Tosun

This the plan then?

Depending on how Tosun settles in, that would be a pretty nice line up. Vlasic and Lookman coming off the bench.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Redartin on January 12, 2018, 08:13:10 PM
-------Gana Rooney

Walcott Sigurdsson Bolasie

----------Tosun

This the plan then?
Don't think this is the finished article.
If you look at Big Sam teams of the past the plan is probably fill the place with ex international has beens, so we are getting there.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: blargins on January 12, 2018, 08:22:09 PM
So you can't give an example then?



If you are going to isolate one specific point and treat it as that is the only condition, then no, I cannot, which is why as a combination of the several reasons I gave, this will hopefully help him to kick on. Playing week in, week out clearly isn't the answer either. You seem to have quite a binary attitude towards this. I don't get why you seem to think that DCL won't be playing anymore, because I certainly didn't say that.

DCL has been directly involved in 40% of our league goals, and heís only played in his true position for a quarter of a season the rest of the time was spent either out wide or bizarrely as a wingback. Youíre doing him a massive disservice here Blargs itís clear to see heís being asked to carry the attack on his own and any experienced striker would struggle with that, as will Tosun if we continue to employe the sort of tactics that places our soul forward 40 yards advanced of any support and asked to battle with 3 or 4 defenders on his own.

We've only scored 25 goals, so while the 40% stat you provided sounds good, that's actually 10 goals, and he's only scored 3 of them. Which for a striker is pants really.

But I don't think I've dissed him, he's done well for his age and experience, but we've been crying out for someone to lead the line all season. DCL is a decent player, but he's nowhere near as good as Lukaku when he first arrived.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Ross on January 12, 2018, 08:38:19 PM
If you are going to isolate one specific point and treat it as that is the only condition, then no, I cannot, which is why as a combination of the several reasons I gave, this will hopefully help him to kick on. Playing week in, week out clearly isn't the answer either. You seem to have quite a binary attitude towards this. I don't get why you seem to think that DCL won't be playing anymore, because I certainly didn't say that.

We've only scored 25 goals, so while the 40% stat you provided sounds good, that's actually 10 goals, and he's only scored 3 of them. Which for a striker is pants really.

But I don't think I've dissed him, he's done well for his age and experience, but we've been crying out for someone to lead the line all season. DCL is a decent player, but he's nowhere near as good as Lukaku when he first arrived.

You canít compare him to Lukaku at 20 because the teams set up completely different with different criteria and the role they both have in those respective teams is completely different. 25 goals so far is the clear indication of this as is 4 shots on target in our last 5 games. Unless weíre signing Suarez circa 2013/14 a new striker wonít change that.

Anyway this is about Walcott, whoís an upgrade on what weíve got but not likely to be the sort of transfer to push us closer to the leading clubs. It actually reminds of something weíd have done under Moyes expect the figures are a little different and itís Arsenal and not Utd.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: blueToffee on January 12, 2018, 09:06:06 PM
Deeply, deeply unimaginative.

Also very short-term thinking.

Another nice player who goes missing when it's a fight, and who has no edge or snide to his game, things that we've lacked.

I don't believe 'is he better than what we have?' should be the defining criteria because every other winger in the league has a better goal scoring record than Aaron Lennon over the last two seasons, but that doesn't mean we should sign them.

We should be looking at players like Lozano or Pavon. The next generation of superstar wingers. Theo will need replacing and moving on in 18 months probably.

Also we need more players with football intelligence. He is severely lacking.

Anyway, that's my view and I'll leave it at that and not badger people with it.

I'll submit a full apology and retraction later on the season when he's banging them in for us.

I like Walcott. However, it does smack of the same limited thinking behind the Sigurdsson move, which had similar issues. I don't blame Allardyce as clearly and for good reason (his contract) is thinking short term, so this is all at Walsh's door. He does (for me) get leeway for this one as I think he has enough in his locker for a good few years of service, but we simply have to get better at targeting the type of up and coming players that are that next stage beyond the likes of Lookman, who I feel is a year or two shy in his development of what we need and it does him no good sitting on the bench.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: brap2 on January 12, 2018, 09:11:37 PM
265 PL aps
65 G (24.1%)
48 A (18.2%)
42.3% G+A contribution

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Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Dr. Sponge on January 12, 2018, 09:12:01 PM
I like Walcott. However, it does smack of the same limited thinking behind the Sigurdsson move, which had similar issues. I don't blame Allardyce as clearly and for good reason (his contract) is thinking short term, so this is all at Walsh's door. He does (for me) get leeway for this one as I think he has enough in his locker for a good few years of service, but we simply have to get better at targeting the type of up and coming players that are that next stage beyond the likes of Lookman, who I feel is a year or two shy in his development of what we need and it does him no good sitting on the bench.

Unimaginative is true. But Sigurdson is starting to show his quality, I hope he gets more chances to play central in the next few games. So if Walcott can also bring his strengths to the team; pace to burn and a decent finisher, then we'll be much better off and teams won't push up so high against us. Which will mean more space for us to play etc.

Not my first choice by a long shot, but I'm warming to the idea.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: blargins on January 12, 2018, 09:24:53 PM
You canít compare him to Lukaku at 20 because the teams set up completely different with different criteria and the role they both have in those respective teams is completely different. 25 goals so far is the clear indication of this as is 4 shots on target in our last 5 games. Unless weíre signing Suarez circa 2013/14 a new striker wonít change that.

Anyway this is about Walcott, whoís an upgrade on what weíve got but not likely to be the sort of transfer to push us closer to the leading clubs. It actually reminds of something weíd have done under Moyes expect the figures are a little different and itís Arsenal and not Utd.

The only fact we need to know is we need better than DCL. Walcott is a definite upgrade as is Tuscon.

DCL can develop more naturally now.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: kramer0 on January 12, 2018, 09:27:51 PM
At this point... it is what it is. We've hired boring, mid-table people to make decisions and we're getting boring, mid-table outcomes.

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Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 12, 2018, 09:57:57 PM
At this point... it is what it is. We've hired boring, mid-table people to make decisions and we're getting boring, mid-table outcomes.

(https://i.imgflip.com/22kbef.jpg) (https://imgflip.com/i/22kbef)



We've signed 1 player under allardyce. It seems like a quite imaginative signing too. Am I wrong?
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Ridge on January 12, 2018, 09:58:22 PM
Tell Walcott to have a word with Giroud.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on January 12, 2018, 10:04:27 PM
265 PL aps
65 G (24.1%)
48 A (18.2%)
42.3% G+A contribution

Robbed from reddit

So based on that, he averages about 6 assists a season and about 9 goals a season, it's not bad stats like.

Be interesting to see how many chances he creates rather than assists.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: themilkycoffees on January 12, 2018, 10:10:42 PM
On one hand, Walcott is a pretty good player and a decent addition to the squad. On the other, I'm worried he's not good enough to take us to the next level and his signing will ensure that two of our most exciting young players in Lookman and Vlasic get far less playing time. Surely with the season being pretty much over, given we're going to finish somewhere between 7th and 11th, it would be better to play the young lads.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Lxxx on January 12, 2018, 10:19:04 PM
Not that itís solely a reflection on him but in less than 18 months the £100m attacking midfield three of Bolasie, Sig and Walcott will all be in their 30ís. They hopefully might still be doing the business but itís not great long term planning as theyíll all be declining together so weíll be looking to phase them out at a similar time with very little resale value between them.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: dax78 on January 12, 2018, 10:29:15 PM
Not that it’s solely a reflection on him but in less than the 18 months the £100m attacking midfield three of Bolasie, Sig and Walcott will all be in their 30’s. They hopefully might still be doing the business but it’s not great long term planning as they’ll all be declining together so we’ll be looking to phase them out at a similar time with very little resale value between them.

Is that not why we bought Lookman and Vlasic etc?
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: blargins on January 12, 2018, 11:31:56 PM
Not that itís solely a reflection on him but in less than the 18 months the £100m attacking midfield three of Bolasie, Sig and Walcott will all be in their 30ís. They hopefully might still be doing the business but itís not great long term planning as theyíll all be declining together so weíll be looking to phase them out at a similar time with very little resale value between them.

You can make any investment sound bad by including Sig though. He's the only bad investment. Walcott at 20 mill and Bolasie at 27 doesn't sound so bad. Sig is the freak in the calculation and we paid well over the odds.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 12, 2018, 11:39:56 PM
Got to say I'm warming to Sigurdsson a little even at the price. He's improved of late and the market is making an attempt to catch that deal up now.

I guess if courtinho is 145m then Sigurdsson at 45 ain't that bad.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Lxxx on January 12, 2018, 11:52:25 PM
Got to say I'm warming to Sigurdsson a little even at the price. He's improved of late and the market is making an attempt to catch that deal up now.

I guess if courtinho is 145m then Sigurdsson at 45 ain't that bad.

I must admit I'd like to see Sam tell him the No 10 position is his from now on and let him grow with the new attacking options he's got around him. We won't see what he can bring until he's able to find players with his passes and get on the end of things coming from deep centrally.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on January 13, 2018, 12:33:55 AM
It's never dull this Everton Malarky lately...
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Waltzer on January 13, 2018, 12:48:36 AM
Not that it's solely a reflection on him but in less than the 18 months the £100m attacking midfield three of Bolasie, Sig and Walcott will all be in their 30's. They hopefully might still be doing the business but it's not great long term planning as they'll all be declining together so we'll be looking to phase them out at a similar time with very little resale value between them.
I used to think like that but I genuinely don't think anyone worries about the future anymore, it's all here and now.  The signing of Walcott makes our team stronger with immediate effect, who knows what might happen in 2/3 years, Sam won't be in charge I doubt and who knows if Walcott bangs in 20 goals the next 2 years we could be fishing from a different pound regarding players as will be in that champions league
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Heisenberg on January 13, 2018, 12:50:20 AM
Not that itís solely a reflection on him but in less than the 18 months the £100m attacking midfield three of Bolasie, Sig and Walcott will all be in their 30ís. They hopefully might still be doing the business but itís not great long term planning as theyíll all be declining together so weíll be looking to phase them out at a similar time with very little resale value between them.

That's honestly awful. Its like we have no scouting network at all. 100 fucking mil on that
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Ross on January 13, 2018, 12:55:27 AM
That's honestly awful. Its like we have no scouting network at all. 100 fucking mil on that

Depressing when you realise Lukaku, Barkley, Stones and Deulofeu will all be about to enter their prime years as well.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Heisenberg on January 13, 2018, 12:57:50 AM
Depressing when you realise Lukaku, Barkley, Stones and Deulofeu will all be about to enter their prime years as well.

Id honestly rather pay the few mil for deulofeu back than the 30 mil or whatever we'd pay on walcot. Walcott is known by the arsenal fans for being a shit crosser
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: gizzblue on January 13, 2018, 12:59:14 AM
Depressing when you realise Lukaku, Barkley, Stones and Deulofeu will all be about to enter their prime years as well.
In all honestly though only Delofeu would have stayed out of them three ...so it's kind of a mute point .
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Waltzer on January 13, 2018, 01:06:46 AM
Id honestly rather pay the few mil for deulofeu back than the 30 mil or whatever we'd pay on walcot. Walcott is known by the arsenal fans for being a shit crosser
And Deulofeu is known by us as having poor decision making and lazy, hence the reason he's failed at Barca (twice), Seville and Everton, and yes, I am aware Barca are decent.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Mayor Farnum on January 13, 2018, 01:08:33 AM
This argument that he's not good enough for Arsenal, and as we want to be where Arsenal are, therefore he can't be good enough for us is a little simplistic.

Different teams have different strengths and weaknesses depending on how they want to play and who is available to them. How many teams would have started Victor Moses in the last two years yet he has a Championship medal. Gordon Strachen's career was supposed to be over when he left Man United yet he won a Championship with Leeds.

We need pace and all the goal threat we can muster and Walcott is an obvious upgrade on what we have.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: eugene on January 13, 2018, 01:17:17 AM
Lookman has played 154 minutes for us in the league this season.

Vlasic has started 4 and came off the bench 4.

They're not going to suddenly get more game time with Walcott coming in and Bolasie coming back to fitness. That's why it's either or.
But if he is playing as we know he can it will hopefully give us the cushion to bring them on itís all win
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: eugene on January 13, 2018, 01:21:51 AM
We've signed 1 player under allardyce. It seems like a quite imaginative signing too. Am I wrong?
Better than Koeman who bought captains from ďthe best teamsĒ fair play sam
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Silas on January 13, 2018, 01:25:51 AM
Deulofeus a bit shite. Walcott is much better right now
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on January 13, 2018, 01:58:56 AM
Walcott's low mileage for that age of car..
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Robioto on January 13, 2018, 01:59:30 AM
Little else?
2017/18 = 15 games 4 goals
2016/17 = 37 games 19 goals
2015/16 = 42 games 9 goals
2014/15 = 22 games 7 goals
2013/14 = 18 games 6 goals

Hes basically got a 1 in 3 record over that period, and you can see when he gets a run of games hes very productive. If he brings very little else, how would you quantify what Lennon, Miralles or any of our other wingers bring to the team? Granted he isnt Messi but to say he brings little else is harsh!

Fair enough and a point well made. I'll wait and see.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Cozzie on January 13, 2018, 02:03:47 AM
Hopefully we can look forward to more of this when he signs.

https://twitter.com/Jackcarter98_/status/802890183939072000
Title: Theo Walcott
Post by: Dr. Sponge on January 13, 2018, 02:22:19 AM
I wouldn't worry about his age, because isn't our average team age this season 25-26? We have a lot of youngsters in the squad.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: D_murph0278 on January 13, 2018, 02:38:43 AM
I would rather we give Lookman a proper run of 10 games plus in the 2nd half of the season. He's got more natural talent in my eyes than Walcott.
Just look what happened with Jonjoe Kenny after an extended run and the confidence it gave him.
After all, we've got jack shit to play for!
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Macca77 on January 13, 2018, 03:31:50 AM
1/8 to sign for us on Skybet
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Heisenberg on January 13, 2018, 04:11:33 AM
Hopefully we can look forward to more of this when he signs.

https://twitter.com/Jackcarter98_/status/802890183939072000

Just going off the tweet. Zaha is definitely someone we should be going for
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: ally2 on January 13, 2018, 04:39:33 AM
Oh jeez. I'm starting to somehow convince myself that he'd be a really good signing. What has happened to me?  I'm so disappointed in myself.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on January 13, 2018, 02:01:06 PM
Oh jeez. I'm starting to somehow convince myself that he'd be a really good signing. What has happened to me?  I'm so disappointed in myself.
We tend to do that to ourselves...
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: sirblue57 on January 13, 2018, 03:29:27 PM
City are prepared to walk away from Sanchez because arsenal want £35m no way would I pay more than £20m for Walcott if Sanchez is worth £35m
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Brownie20 on January 13, 2018, 03:36:52 PM
City are prepared to walk away from Sanchez because arsenal want £35m no way would I pay more than £20m for Walcott if Sanchez is worth £35m

They don't want to pay it because of the length of his remaining contract and because he favours a move to City over Utd. They hold the cards there
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Cozzie on January 13, 2018, 03:38:19 PM
City are prepared to walk away from Sanchez because arsenal want £35m no way would I pay more than £20m for Walcott if Sanchez is worth £35m

Isn't sanchez in the final 6 months of his contract though?

Could go for nothing in the summer.

If anything Sanchez is worth more than £35M
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Cereal Killer on January 13, 2018, 03:40:37 PM
If we got 15 for Barkley, then I'd say 35 for Sanchez was a bargain....
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Ramjam on January 13, 2018, 03:42:19 PM
So letís buy Sanchez
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: blue slug on January 13, 2018, 03:50:04 PM
So letís buy Sanchez

If only it were that simple 😆
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: sirblue57 on January 13, 2018, 03:55:28 PM
i would still make an offer, and if not accepted, walk away. Walcott is not worth £30m, age, injuries and consistency are against him, if he really wants game time, and to come to us, he will do what he can to make the move happen.
 
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 13, 2018, 04:02:25 PM
City are prepared to walk away from Sanchez because arsenal want £35m no way would I pay more than £20m for Walcott if Sanchez is worth £35m

5 months of Sanchez is worth 35m
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Redartin on January 13, 2018, 04:28:01 PM
So letís buy Sanchez
The only Sanchez we are likely to get is Hugo, the Mexican.

Even he would be as good as Walcott
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: BlueNoseMike on January 13, 2018, 04:45:29 PM
Just going off the tweet. Zaha is definitely someone we should be going for

Yeah if it was a choice of theo now for 20 or zaha in summer for 40 to 50 I'd be all over zaha. The best player outside that top 6 imo.

Think he's nailed on for spurs though maybe Chelsea. Plus it's funny we'd probably only be in with a shout if we got Europe and we'd need a Walcott type signing to get that and pip Leicester to 7th
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Shogun on January 13, 2018, 04:49:06 PM
Walcott will give us more than Lookman like (at the moment), he needs a season playing every week somewhere.

I know it's a bit of a basic way of thinking but I just don't see the point in signing players that aren't good enough for the top six in order to try and get there ourselves.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: everton1952 on January 13, 2018, 05:11:40 PM
It might be hard to get players good enough for the top 6 to sign for a club aiming for 10th with one eye on the dog fight a few points below.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: mikey_blue on January 13, 2018, 05:40:08 PM
To be competitive you usually need 4 wingers and 3 strikers, Walcott can fill two of those places. He instantly makes the team stronger, and gives us another experienced head in the team. He's not going to pull up any trees, but his pace will cause teams problems. We saw the same when Lennon came in. I'm not too happy about the wages, but as people have mentioned, when city began their siege on the league, they had to buy a whole lot of Santa Cruz's before they got their Silva's.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Shropshire Blue on January 13, 2018, 06:20:32 PM
Walcott will give us more than Lookman like (at the moment), he needs a season playing every week somewhere.

I know it's a bit of a basic way of thinking but I just don't see the point in signing players that aren't good enough for the top six in order to try and get there ourselves.
That's where you meet the reality of building a team. Too many of us have an expectation that we should only buy the absolute 'elite' players and that is impossible to achieve for all sorts of reasons. But if one keeps improving then one's recruitment improves as well until you reach the point where the 'Messi's' of this world start to find us an attractive proposition.
I agree with mikey_blue there will certainly be more 'Walcotts' to come before we start seeing the 'Agueros'.
The frustrating part of watching us at the moment is the impatience many of us have. We talk ourselves down too much. Overall our situation is improving - if you don't think so look at the teams outside the top 5 and ask 'are they on the way to the top?'  I can't see it. Leicester did it for one season and that fluke event does give other teams hope, but season after season at the top? I don't think so.
There is a lot of pleasure and satisfaction in watching a good team develop but we seem to have lost that in favour of wanting and expecting we can have it all now, now, now.
Life isn't like that.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: ncstate4jpc on January 13, 2018, 06:24:07 PM
The only Sanchez we are likely to get is Hugo, the Mexican.

Even he would be as good as Walcott

That would be Dirty
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: .Rimbo. on January 13, 2018, 06:28:53 PM
Walcott will add some pace and a goal threat which is very lacking at the moment.

However, do we really need another player at his peak/about to decline?

It just seems weíre getting led down the garden path; selling our young talents like Lukaku, Deulofeu, Stones and Barkley only to replace them with players that will need to be replaced again in 3/4 years.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: ally2 on January 13, 2018, 06:36:54 PM
Walcott's finest hour was probably when he was terrifying Barca at the nou camp on the right wing, then second was probably his hat trick for England as a kid. He is still capable of that in my opinion but his career is a mess at the moment.

A manager will always think that they can get a tune out of a player when someone else can't. It's not necessarily anyone's fault that he has stagnated but arsenal is a very weird club in that they want to push development but are hamstrung by the demand to succeed because of such financial strength. Basically they've never found that balance or Wenger hasn't been decisive enough to commit to a successful team above all else. The result is bunch of players who, unless they are supremely talented, end up in and out of the team, and I think players like Walcott and Oxlade-Chamberlain have suffered most.

I'd be happy with a loan with a view to buy in the summer but it looks like that isn't on the cards. On the other hand, I think this might drag but that's OK - we are in a relationship strong position for once because of the state of Arsenal and Walcott's career. We can afford to drive a hard bargain, but Walcott must be committed enough to drop wages and want to play. If he does that then great, but if there's any doubt then we should run a mile.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Lxxx on January 13, 2018, 06:38:32 PM
Walcott will add some pace and a goal threat which is very lacking at the moment.

However, do we really need another player at his peak/about to decline?

It just seems weíre getting led down the garden path; selling our young talents like Lukaku, Deulofeu, Stones and Barkley only to replace them with players that will need to be replaced again in 3/4 years.

I can kind of see the value in bringing in some experienced players, if we take the view that we'll be losing Williams, Jags, Baines and Rooney within the next 18 months and replacing them with longer term replacements. This will then leave us with very few senior pros at the club and you do need a good mix of ages and experience levels.
I'm going round and round in circles on this one but if we get him for a decent price and Moshiri thinks the numbers work then I suppose on balance it's probably a decent signing, as long as we have plans in place to enable Lookman and Vlasic to progress to give them the best possible opportunity to eventually take over.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: indiantoffee1975 on January 13, 2018, 06:40:53 PM
Walcott will add some pace and a goal threat which is very lacking at the moment.

However, do we really need another player at his peak/about to decline?

It just seems weíre getting led down the garden path; selling our young talents like Lukaku, Deulofeu, Stones and Barkley only to replace them with players that will need to be replaced again in 3/4 years.

The scouting system is clearly shit since Moyes left. We'll continue to take cast offs from the top 6 clubs and achieve nothing.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: .Rimbo. on January 13, 2018, 06:45:43 PM
I can kind of see the value in bringing in some experienced players, if we take the view that we'll be losing Williams, Jags, Baines and Rooney within the next 18 months and replacing them with longer term replacements. This will then leave us with very few senior pros at the club and you do need a good mix of ages and experience levels.
I'm going round and round in circles on this one but if we get him for a decent price and Moshiri thinks the numbers work then I suppose on balance it's probably a decent signing, as long as we have plans in place to enable Lookman and Vlasic to progress to give them the best possible opportunity to eventually take over.

Weíll also need to replace Rooney in 18 months and start thinking about replacements for Sigurdsson and Schneiderlin (whoíll both be around 30). Players who combined cost us around £80million in the last 12 months.

We donít have a bottomless pit of money or sellable assets. And we donít have mouth-watering commerical revenue streams (sorry to sound like The Esk) to sustain this level of spending.

There is no medium or long term planning in our recruitment.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 13, 2018, 06:46:23 PM
I think the problem is we have nothing in the middle. We have potential that's not ready and we have decent older players. We don't have anyone young who's already good enough and looks like they could be fantastic

I don't see why we can't compete for young players the top teams want on account they'll play for us and sit on their bench
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: .Rimbo. on January 13, 2018, 06:48:51 PM
The scouting system is clearly shit since Moyes left. We'll continue to take cast offs from the top 6 clubs and achieve nothing.

I donít know what the NSNO concensus of Steve Walsh is, but to continue on from your point, Iím struggling to understand how he kept his job?
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Frevski on January 13, 2018, 06:51:45 PM
The scouting system is clearly shit since Moyes left. We'll continue to take cast offs from the top 6 clubs and achieve nothing.
This is part of the problem with premiership management at the moment, most managers won't entertain long term outlooks, hell why would they? If you have 6/8 bad games you are at risk.

This breeds short term thinking, it is the position of the rest of the club to develop youth to an extent it can be pushed/pulled  into the first team.

Big Sam is picking someone he thinks will fill the gap for pace and a goal threat needed by the team, why would he care what happens after 18 months?
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Lxxx on January 13, 2018, 06:59:31 PM
Weíll also need to replace Rooney in 18 months and start thinking about replacements for Sigurdsson and Schneiderlin (whoíll both be around 30). Players who combined cost us around £80million in the last 12 months.

We donít have a bottomless pit of money or sellable assets. And we donít have mouth-watering commerical revenue streams (sorry to sound like The Esk) to sustain this level of spending.

There is no medium or long term planning in our recruitment.

I'd agree with all that, however not all players will fall off a cliff once they reach 30. Rooney did because he'd played a full career by his late 20's but someone like Sig could feasibly go on well into his 30's as he looks to have a clever brain about him. Walcott may well keep his pace like Lennon has too.

I'm just playing devils advocate though as I would ideally like to see a more joined up and imaginative recruitment strategy but we where we are and if it's not coming for whatever reason then I suppose he's better than what we have so I'll take it as it might make us less boring to watch if nothing else. 
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Juanito on January 13, 2018, 07:12:31 PM
He is now favourite to join Southampton at 4/7 and us at 9/4 on Skybet.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: efc1111 on January 13, 2018, 07:34:45 PM
He is now favourite to join Southampton at 4/7 and us at 9/4 on Skybet.
That's a huge swing. We were 1/8 yesterday evening and the rest nowhere.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 13, 2018, 07:38:46 PM
That's a huge swing. We were 1/8 yesterday evening and the rest nowhere.


They know nowt. Be a few hundred quid in bets that's moved the market
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: indiantoffee1975 on January 13, 2018, 07:40:08 PM
I donít know what the NSNO concensus of Steve Walsh is, but to continue on from your point, Iím struggling to understand how he kept his job?

My guess is that he lives to fight another day. Should have been turfed out with Koeman. He will need to deliver this summer bigtime.

You don't need a DoF to bring in players like Williams, Sigurdsson, Schneiderlin, Keane, Pickford, Klaassen and Rooney.

Start unearthing the next Mahrez and Kante's and earning your doe.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on January 13, 2018, 07:41:36 PM
With Sam's "one at a time" comment, if this isn't done by early next week I would move on.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Thomas on January 14, 2018, 02:12:35 AM
Why is Sam trying to sign a winger when we already have them, and not concentrating on a LB?
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: GLewis on January 14, 2018, 02:17:29 AM
Why is Sam trying to sign a winger when we already have them, and not concentrating on a LB?

The ones we havenít arenít very good.

You can get by with very limited defenders if you make the team solid.

If youíre attackers arenít good thereís not much you can do, relatively.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Stumpy on January 14, 2018, 02:19:20 AM
Why is Sam trying to sign a winger when we already have them, and not concentrating on a LB?

Exactly.I can't believe the lack of urgency to get a left back in.It's paramount we get one just to get that fraud martina out of the side.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Thomas on January 14, 2018, 02:25:20 AM
The ones we havenít arenít very good.

You can get by with very limited defenders if you make the team solid.

If youíre attackers arenít good thereís not much you can do, relatively.

Bolasie for the moment is fine, Siggurdson/Rooney etc. We need another CF but christ sort out the LB position to link up with our wide men as without a combination any forward play is screwed and the wingers get pinned by 2 players.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Waltzer on January 14, 2018, 02:26:52 AM
Exactly.I can't believe the lack of urgency to get a left back in.It's paramount we get one just to get that fraud martina out of the side.
By his own admission Martina is surprised he has played so much.  He's doing his best he can as a right back playing left back, cut him some slack. It isn't his fault  the ineptitude at the club made him the only one available to play that position
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: GLewis on January 14, 2018, 02:28:35 AM
Bolasie for the moment is fine, Siggurdson/Rooney etc. We need another CF but christ sort out the LB position to link up with our wide men as without a combination any forward play is screwed and the wingers get pinned by 2 players.

Obviously Martina isnít ideal but Bolasie has scored 10 PL goals in his career (3 in one game too).

Sigurdsson is fine on the left and will get better with Baines (a left footer out there) but out and out wingers offer no guarantee of goals or assists. 
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: GLewis on January 14, 2018, 02:29:43 AM
By his own admission Martina is surprised he has played so much.  He's doing his best he can as a right back playing left back, cut him some slack. It isn't his fault  the ineptitude at the club made him the only one available to play that position

Itís pointless scapegoating moaning about him all the time when others do worse in specific games.

Obviously heís not good enough
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Heisenberg on January 14, 2018, 02:31:17 AM
This would be a pointless signing. I'd be happy enough not spending anymore money untill we get another manager in. Walcott will change nothing and be almost 30 by the time we get a new manager
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Juanito on January 14, 2018, 03:54:17 AM
Looks like he is going to Southampton now anyway. Not a good player but I think he would improve us, simply because he would have to play Sigurdsson in his actual position.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Lxxx on January 14, 2018, 03:55:33 AM
Probably saw thatís shite today and decided to swerve. Donít blame him.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: blueToffee on January 14, 2018, 03:59:59 AM
Looks like he is going to Southampton now anyway. Not a good player but I think he would improve us, simply because he would have to play Sigurdsson in his actual position.

Says who?
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Juanito on January 14, 2018, 04:05:27 AM
Says who?


He went from 1/8 to sign for us to 9/4 and Saints are 4/7. I think there must be something in that.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: duncandisorderly on January 14, 2018, 04:09:09 AM
Walcott in for bolasie at the moment sounds like heaven. Bolasie is a poor footballer, he was before the injury and although he's not back to full fitness, nothing has changed. He's too interested in trying to fill up a YouTube highlight reel than actually contribute to the team on a semi consistent basis. Yes he has talent but he'll never learn how to channel it properly. You'll see the odd game where he'll look like a world beater, but they come for a couple of games (if your lucky) a season.

Walcott in the side will be far more effective, will score more and assist more. I don't see that we have an option NOT to sign him, if he will come after watching that shite tonight. I get the arguments about age and future thinking, but I don't think we have much of a choice at the moment.

Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: GLewis on January 14, 2018, 04:50:07 AM

He went from 1/8 to sign for us to 9/4 and Saints are 4/7. I think there must be something in that.

Suggests thereís very little money in the market to me.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Alanvideo on January 14, 2018, 04:59:25 AM
I think we can forget about Walcott if he's seen our performance today. I doubt he wanted to uproot his family anyway.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: TheRam on January 14, 2018, 05:31:28 AM
He's a much better player than bolasie.

Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: bogie on January 14, 2018, 06:58:15 AM
He's a much better player than bolasie.



if this was 30 years ago they would not even be in the same division but its the sad times in football the pace in a player like him will get some DOF to spend money on
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: ajax_andy on January 14, 2018, 05:02:31 PM
If it means we play Sig in the middle instead of wide left I'd happily take Walcott... Or ANY winger tbh
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: gizzblue on January 14, 2018, 08:44:16 PM
By his own admission Martina is surprised he has played so much.  He's doing his best he can as a right back playing left back, cut him some slack. It isn't his fault  the ineptitude at the club made him the only one available to play that position
Inneptitude of koeman and Walsh you mean surely.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Waltzer on January 14, 2018, 08:52:05 PM
Inneptitude of koeman and Walsh you mean surely.
Well yes, although Koeman said enough times he wanted a left sided defender and striker, take your pick who you blame, but I no it's not Martina
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: brap2 on January 14, 2018, 09:02:51 PM
Getting beat 4-0 should never be your left backs fault, ever.

If you have a weak position your manager finds a way tactically to cope. Having a shit left back can drag the team into bad positions and can allow teams to overload you but it does not at all in any shape or form excuse the other 10 dickheads.

Iím a big believer that football games are won and lost in the middle of the park. Defend it, control it.

A football game should not be won and lost at left back.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Ridge on January 14, 2018, 09:45:54 PM
He's a much better player than bolasie.

You do realise, you're in the Theo Walcott thread?  :snigger:
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Stumpy on January 14, 2018, 10:07:56 PM
By his own admission Martina is surprised he has played so much.  He's doing his best he can as a right back playing left back, cut him some slack. It isn't his fault  the ineptitude at the club made him the only one available to play that position

I'm not really having a go at martina per se,he's not good enough for us end of story.It's not his fault he's playing week in week out,he's not the worst player all the time,but it is a massive problem for us,and has been since baines was injured.My rant is the lack of urgency sorting this out.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: brap2 on January 14, 2018, 10:09:28 PM
You do realise, you're in the Theo Walcott thread?  :snigger:

Has about 5x the G+A and is younger.

Think theyíre both shite.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: TheRam on January 14, 2018, 10:12:42 PM
You do realise, you're in the Theo Walcott thread?  :snigger:

Yes. He is much better
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Ridge on January 14, 2018, 11:47:48 PM
Has about 5x the G+A and is younger.

Think theyíre both shite.

I think the better comparison for Walcott would be to Lennon or Deulofeu. Lightning quick, Lennon plays wider and is better at tracking back, Walcott is a more direct running, wide forward. In terms of output, you'd expect more of Walcott, because he's taking more of the teams chances and contributing less in other areas.

With Bolasie, he's changing direction, moving players off balance, using his strength to go past players, creating space for others. Bolasie covers more ground with the ball at his feet than almost any other player in PL, more similar to Barkley, Hazard, Sanchez, Mane. Teams often double up against him and while it rarely comes to something, he's often hurdled 4 barriers before he's fallen at the 5th.

Walcott has got a decent return for what is generally a simple trick, he's a decent squad option, I don't see him being part of a successful team. With Bolasie I think any team in the world would be happy to have him as a wild card. He's a chronic underachiever for his talent, in terms of doing more of the hard work than the easy stuff. But like Barkley, he would have less responsibility to create in a better team where the creative burden is more shared. Create space for others and one of them can put in the cross or through ball. We wouldn't be anywhere near as bad this season, if we'd had a fit Bolasie playing, we've had no one who wants the ball or can go past a player and/or create, 2 out of 3 ain't bad. And give him some time to recalibrate his legs and then we'll see what he can do.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Ravardo on January 14, 2018, 11:57:55 PM
Anyone how well walcott did today coming on as a sub?
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Ridge on January 14, 2018, 11:59:09 PM
Yes. He is much better

Walcott is a clever sprinter who learned to toe poke forward or pass to the left at 15. Bolasie is one of the most technically gifted players to play in the PL, he just hasn't done much with it.

It's like comparing Milli Vanilli to Bob Dylan.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: blueToffee on January 15, 2018, 12:01:01 AM
Anyone how well walcott did today coming on as a sub?

Only ended up seeing a few mins after he came on, but he didnít receive the ball that much. Got into a couple of decent positions but player with the ball didnít pass. Couple of offsides when he was trying to run in behind.

Really, nothing you could judge from that. I didnít see the FA Cup game sadly.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Shogun on January 15, 2018, 12:01:57 AM
Don't really know why they're playing him when it's obvious he's off.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: sam of the south on January 15, 2018, 12:03:18 AM
Walcott is a clever sprinter who learned to toe poke forward or pass to the left at 15. Bolasie is one of the most technically gifted players to play in the PL, he just hasn't done much with it.

It's like comparing Milli Vanilli to Bob Dylan.

Is this Yannick Bolasie you are talking about? 😳
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: TheRam on January 15, 2018, 12:07:21 AM
Walcott is a clever sprinter who learned to toe poke forward or pass to the left at 15. Bolasie is one of the most technically gifted players to play in the PL, he just hasn't done much with it.

It's like comparing Milli Vanilli to Bob Dylan.

Can't believe you've just called yannick bolasie one of the most technically gifted players in the league.

That's the maddest thing anyone has ever said on here.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: brap2 on January 15, 2018, 12:07:28 AM
I think the better comparison for Walcott would be to Lennon or Deulofeu. Lightning quick, Lennon plays wider and is better at tracking back, Walcott is a more direct running, wide forward. In terms of output, you'd expect more of Walcott, because he's taking more of the teams chances and contributing less in other areas.

With Bolasie, he's changing direction, moving players off balance, using his strength to go past players, creating space for others. Bolasie covers more ground with the ball at his feet than almost any other player in PL, more similar to Barkley, Hazard, Sanchez, Mane. Teams often double up against him and while it rarely comes to something, he's often hurdled 4 barriers before he's fallen at the 5th.

Walcott has got a decent return for what is generally a simple trick, he's a decent squad option, I don't see him being part of a successful team. With Bolasie I think any team in the world would be happy to have him as a wild card. He's a chronic underachiever for his talent, in terms of doing more of the hard work than the easy stuff. But like Barkley, he would have less responsibility to create in a better team where the creative burden is more shared. Create space for others and one of them can put in the cross or through ball. We wouldn't be anywhere near as bad this season, if we'd had a fit Bolasie playing, we've had no one who wants the ball or can go past a player and/or create, 2 out of 3 ain't bad. And give him some time to recalibrate his legs and then we'll see what he can do.

Heís 5x better than him and theyíre both shite
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: blargins on January 15, 2018, 12:11:18 AM
Can't believe you've just called yannick bolasie one of the most technically gifted players in the league.

That's the maddest thing anyone has ever said on here.
Iím trying to work out which ones Bob Dylan.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: sam of the south on January 15, 2018, 12:22:10 AM
Can't believe you've just called yannick bolasie one of the most technically gifted players in the league.

That's the maddest thing anyone has ever said on here.

It's astounding
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Faceatthefence on January 15, 2018, 01:15:33 AM
Iím trying to work out which ones Bob Dylan.
It aint me babe!
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Paddockoldie on January 15, 2018, 01:24:26 AM
If Bolasie would cut out the fannying round and just beat the man and did the simple things well he'd be a much better player for it. I remember when Fergie told Ronaldo to fuck the step overs and showing off out and he went on to be world class. Bolasie won't do that but he'd improve no end.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Ridge on January 15, 2018, 01:32:33 AM
Can't believe you've just called yannick bolasie one of the most technically gifted players in the league.

That's the maddest thing anyone has ever said on here.

I'm struggling to think of better dribblers we've had at club in my memory and effective dribblers are worth their weight in gold. In terms of being able to do tricks and incorporate them into the running path, it takes a level of touch and improvisation that very few players possess. Christiano Ronaldo was a show pony that became productive. Some players need to beat opponents half a dozen times because they can't get away from them, some just can't stop taking the piss, until they decide they want to be more effective.

Bolasie's final ball is often shocking, decision making near opposition goal is dire, but in terms of his skill on the ball, pace to go past a man, strength to hold a player off, there are not many who influence a game as strongly as he does. In terms of efficiency Walcott is highly clinical, Bolasie is highly inefficient, despite similar outputs in recent years. But Bolasie contributes far more to outside of assists and goals, working out of possession, moving the team out of trouble, but also in terms of movement and passing.

We've been crying out all season for someone who wants the ball, run at players, make something or create space for others to do so. Barkley and Bolasie averaged about 3 dribbles a game in recent seasons. This season only Niasse, Lookman and Vlasic average atleast 1 and they've not got many minutes and only 2 assists between them.

Spurs tend to use Dembele as the player who can hold off players, he runs forward as an extra man with Eriksen left t create. While players like Hazard, Mahrez, Sanchez have very little in the way of defensive responsibility. But they all provide a safe passage for the ball through the opposition midfield and onto defence. Think of it like US Football, we end up chucking long passes, because we have no short passing game, because we have no running game. When you lose an ability, your opponent doesn't have to cover that eventuality. Even if they do cover it, you're not going to break the lines without incisive passing or reliable routes, we have neither.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Ridge on January 15, 2018, 01:56:17 AM
Iím trying to work out which ones Bob Dylan.

I was thinking in terms of the creative type, who produces some masterpieces, but never really got away from the attraction of abstract dreams, over the glory, success or accolades. But Milli Vanilli is probably a bad example of simple chart success, as they are all show and no substance, which is a bit Bolasie at times. Maybe Status Quo would have been a better example, it's a simple trick and it gets results.

But just strikes me as similar to Sigurdsson signing, where stats paint a more favourable impression. There has to be some thought to how the pieces are supposed to fit together, Walcott plays for a top team on a big pitch against slow or tired defenders when other players are out. I wouldn't be surprised if Sandro would did well in those circumstances and we've got no way of utilising his pace at the moment, plus we've got Lennon as a whippet on the right. We seem to just be accumulating the same types of player, and all of them key cogs in other teams, then keeping them as spare parts with no balance or plan how it fits together.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 15, 2018, 01:58:07 AM
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say bolasie is pretty shit tbh
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Shogun on January 15, 2018, 02:14:52 AM
Bolasie was our best player before he got injured last season. Haven't seen enough to judge him properly yet.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: hannu on January 15, 2018, 02:28:49 AM
Iím trying to work out which ones Bob Dylan.

Bob Dylan is the shit one
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Trowel on January 15, 2018, 02:32:09 AM
Walcott is a clever sprinter who learned to toe poke forward or pass to the left at 15. Bolasie is one of the most technically gifted players to play in the PL, he just hasn't done much with it.
I'm one of the most technically gifted lovers in the world.

I just haven't done much with it.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: brap2 on January 15, 2018, 02:36:48 AM
I'm struggling to think of better dribblers we've had at club in my memory and effective dribblers are worth their weight in gold. In terms of being able to do tricks and incorporate them into the running path, it takes a level of touch and improvisation that very few players possess. Christiano Ronaldo was a show pony that became productive. Some players need to beat opponents half a dozen times because they can't get away from them, some just can't stop taking the piss, until they decide they want to be more effective.

Bolasie's final ball is often shocking, decision making near opposition goal is dire, but in terms of his skill on the ball, pace to go past a man, strength to hold a player off, there are not many who influence a game as strongly as he does. In terms of efficiency Walcott is highly clinical, Bolasie is highly inefficient, despite similar outputs in recent years. But Bolasie contributes far more to outside of assists and goals, working out of possession, moving the team out of trouble, but also in terms of movement and passing.

We've been crying out all season for someone who wants the ball, run at players, make something or create space for others to do so. Barkley and Bolasie averaged about 3 dribbles a game in recent seasons. This season only Niasse, Lookman and Vlasic average atleast 1 and they've not got many minutes and only 2 assists between them.

Spurs tend to use Dembele as the player who can hold off players, he runs forward as an extra man with Eriksen left t create. While players like Hazard, Mahrez, Sanchez have very little in the way of defensive responsibility. But they all provide a safe passage for the ball through the opposition midfield and onto defence. Think of it like US Football, we end up chucking long passes, because we have no short passing game, because we have no running game. When you lose an ability, your opponent doesn't have to cover that eventuality. Even if they do cover it, you're not going to break the lines without incisive passing or reliable routes, we have neither.

I think the problem is youíve said technically gifted. Generally people think of technical ability they donít just think beat a man, they think bergkamp, zidane, de bruyne.

I absolutely agree that he is a good ball carrier and something weíve desperately missed wibut hour Barkley. E.g the play down the left against MU when he stood two players up and knocked it past them in quick succession and suddenly turned defence into attack - absolutely fantastic he should do that as much as possible. Stand them up then go, very few can stick with him. But to be honest, I enjoy his flicks and tricks itís great to watch, just wish he would be more productive and efficient with his style.

Re: technical ability - itís definitely a factor, but Iíd argue Bolassie is probably more like something on the Adama Traore scale of exception that proves the rule than any of the others :

https://twitter.com/rfahy00/status/951053118409773057
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: mikey_blue on January 15, 2018, 02:38:28 AM
I'm one of the most technically gifted lovers in the world.

I just haven't done much with it.

My new tinder bio.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: GLewis on January 15, 2018, 02:42:37 AM
Bolasie was our best player before he got injured last season. Haven't seen enough to judge him properly yet.

Yes but problem was heíd only scored one goal at that point.

Heís not bad but itís just very unlikely that heís going to start producing numbers that make you sit up and take notice.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Dr. Sponge on January 15, 2018, 03:01:58 AM
Bolasie was our best player before he got injured last season. Haven't seen enough to judge him properly yet.

I thought he was rubbish tbh. He scored that one goal where he took charge of the ball when he and Lukaku were through on goal, but apart from that he lost the ball half the time he got it.

He was the same for Palace as well. Does something amazing with the ball every now and then but in the main, he's poop
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Silas on January 15, 2018, 03:16:57 AM
He's neither Simon Davies or Andrei Kanchelskis he's somewhere in between.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: TheTone on January 15, 2018, 03:24:34 AM
Great director of footballing from Walsh, must have spent months scouting this lad
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: duncandisorderly on January 15, 2018, 03:31:56 AM
Bolasie was our best player before he got injured last season. Haven't seen enough to judge him properly yet.
He had a few decent games, the rest of the time he frustrated the life out of everyone.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Ridge on January 15, 2018, 03:33:05 AM
I think the problem is youíve said technically gifted. Generally people think of technical ability they donít just think beat a man, they think bergkamp, zidane, de bruyne.

I absolutely agree that he is a good ball carrier and something weíve desperately missed wibut hour Barkley. E.g the play down the left against MU when he stood two players up and knocked it past them in quick succession and suddenly turned defence into attack - absolutely fantastic he should do that as much as possible. Stand them up then go, very few can stick with him. But to be honest, I enjoy his flicks and tricks itís great to watch, just wish he would be more productive and efficient with his style.

Re: technical ability - itís definitely a factor, but Iíd argue Bolassie is probably more like something on the Adama Traore scale of exception that proves the rule than any of the others :

https://twitter.com/rfahy00/status/951053118409773057

Traore is more Walcott for me, but he hasn't learned to pass or shoot yet, once you've learned to outrun someone, what more do you need. Niasse is more productive than Walcott, and also demonstrates how difficult it is to run with the ball at pace, while trying to do more than go in a straight line or go through players.

Bolasie is carrying the ball past oncoming traffic, squared up, while tap dancing sideways, sleight of foot with either foot. He's patting his stomach, rubbing his head, performing the riverdance and then miskicking it out of play. But when he's confident and has his rhythm multiple opponents can't live with him. At the moment it's 'on his day', but once he gets back up to speed, his day will become more often.

He always wants the ball and rarely loses it, often carries it huge distances, its a pretty rare trait for a footballer at this level and hard to do consistently. I wouldn't compare Bolasie to Zidane, De Bruyne, Bergkamp, in terms of productivity atm, or in terms of passing vision, crossing or shooting anything to do with releasing the ball, but in terms of technical ability with the ball and dribbling at players, I'm not sure there's a player in PL with more ways to beat a man or who does it more often. And all those players got better with age.

He's more like a quick Denilson, over complicating things, but its how creative players progress to productive ones and Bolasie had already shown improvement in this area at Palace. You have to make mistakes to experiment, but at some point you're not adding much to overall package, for that you need to be a bit more wise. When you get near 30 you shouldn't be making the same mistakes you were making a decade earlier, work smarter rather than just working hard. But he also needs team mates to bounce of and work with and it's hard to see who at the moment.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: ally2 on January 15, 2018, 03:36:28 AM
He had a few decent games, the rest of the time he frustrated the life out of everyone.

I'm getting confused here over who at Everton I should hate most so I need help.  It's weird because I consider myself a supporter.  I'll call myself a follower of Everton woes instead.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: brap2 on January 15, 2018, 03:37:11 AM
Traore is more Walcott for me, but he hasn't learned to pass or shoot yet, once you've learned to outrun someone, what more do you need. Niasse is more productive than Walcott, and also demonstrates how difficult it is to run with the ball at pace, while trying to do more than go in a straight line or go through players.

Bolasie is carrying the ball past oncoming traffic, squared up, while tap dancing sideways, sleight of foot with either foot. He's patting his stomach, rubbing his head, performing the riverdance and then miskicking it out of play. But when he's confident and has his rhythm multiple opponents can't live with him. At the moment it's 'on his day', but once he gets back up to speed, his day will become more often.

He always wants the ball and rarely loses it, often carries it huge distances, its a pretty rare trait for a footballer at this level and hard to do consistently. I wouldn't compare Bolasie to Zidane, De Bruyne, Bergkamp, in terms of productivity atm, or in terms of passing vision, crossing or shooting anything to do with releasing the ball, but in terms of technical ability with the ball and dribbling at players, I'm not sure there's a player in PL with more ways to beat a man or who does it more often. And all those players got better with age.

He's more like a quick Denilson, over complicating things, but its how creative players progress to productive ones and Bolasie had already shown improvement in this area at Palace. You have to make mistakes to experiment, but at some point you're not adding much to overall package, for that you need to be a bit more wise. When you get near 30 you shouldn't be making the same mistakes you were making a decade earlier, work smarter rather than just working hard. But he also needs team mates to bounce of and work with and it's hard to see who at the moment.

Disagree with a great deal you have said above but I understand where you are coming from.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Cereal Killer on January 15, 2018, 03:57:37 AM
I think the problem is youíve said technically gifted. Generally people think of technical ability they donít just think beat a man, they think bergkamp, zidane, de bruyne.

I absolutely agree that he is a good ball carrier and something weíve desperately missed wibut hour Barkley. E.g the play down the left against MU when he stood two players up and knocked it past them in quick succession and suddenly turned defence into attack - absolutely fantastic he should do that as much as possible. Stand them up then go, very few can stick with him. But to be honest, I enjoy his flicks and tricks itís great to watch, just wish he would be more productive and efficient with his style.

Re: technical ability - itís definitely a factor, but Iíd argue Bolassie is probably more like something on the Adama Traore scale of exception that proves the rule than any of the others :

https://twitter.com/rfahy00/status/951053118409773057

Ahhhhh Brahimi..... if only.....
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Django on January 15, 2018, 05:29:01 PM
Walcott wants to come to Everton and wages are no issue.

Just the club haggling over the fee now.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Macca77 on January 15, 2018, 09:42:45 PM
Fella on TEF who is normally spot on reckons Walcott will sign and make his debut agaisnt West Brom on Sat.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Waltzer on January 15, 2018, 09:54:25 PM
Fella on TEF who is normally spot on reckons Walcott will sign and make his debut agaisnt West Brom on Sat.

I hope so, although I still get the feeling he'll end up at Southampton?
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: D15TIN on January 15, 2018, 09:55:42 PM
Fella on TEF who is normally spot on reckons Walcott will sign and make his debut agaisnt West Brom on Sat.
I'd be more inclined to believe that had he not been in the arsenal squad yesterday
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: kramer0 on January 15, 2018, 09:58:34 PM
We will eventually pay for all of this short-term bullshit. Worse than we are already.

And yes, I'm aware that I'm a miserable cunt.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Bluedylan on January 15, 2018, 10:09:44 PM
Hope he joins Southampton.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: TheRam on January 15, 2018, 10:12:06 PM
I hope so, although I still get the feeling he'll end up at Southampton?

Because you could find a negative in absolutely anything. Proper glass half empty

Why would he join Southampton over us?
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: D15TIN on January 15, 2018, 10:19:48 PM
Because you could find a negative in absolutely anything. Proper glass half empty

Why would he join Southampton over us?
Just location for him probably, gets to stay down south etc
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Lxxx on January 15, 2018, 10:26:43 PM
Arsed.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Simon Paul on January 15, 2018, 11:22:59 PM
Because you could find a negative in absolutely anything. Proper glass half empty

Why would he join Southampton over us?

Left them at 15 and might feel he owes them?
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Paddockoldie on January 15, 2018, 11:28:38 PM
I'm not too concerned with short terminism  because our problem is now not the future. If don't sort the now out future is even less certain. Hopefully the younger quality players we have will be the future.. live in the now because yesterday has gone and can't be changed and tomorrow hasn't arrived.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Waltzer on January 15, 2018, 11:40:18 PM
Because you could find a negative in absolutely anything. Proper glass half empty

Why would he join Southampton over us?

Its not glass half empty but there are other things to consider, its been stated everywhere else, his wife lives close to there and works near there I think, hes from the area and its his first club?
He doesnt strike me as the type that would need the money so its probably more of a lifestyle choice for him and there are bigger factors for him to consider. Lets be honest when it comes to the choice of the 2 clubs the only real difference is who he thinks will finish higher in the league as the reality is neither will win anything in his career, so you tell me, what is the big draw, with the exception of financial elements we've done nothing for over 20 years so is 'our history' a bigger pull than his personal circumstance?
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: brap2 on January 15, 2018, 11:44:45 PM
I think a head down pace merchant with his best days behind him are exactly what we need to fix our broken midfield






In all honesty though, just see it a straight swap for Lennon with more productivity. Probably less defencive nous tbh and much less personality. But he has the ability to produce.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 15, 2018, 11:59:20 PM
We will eventually pay for all of this short-term bullshit. Worse than we are already.

And yes, I'm aware that I'm a miserable cunt.

No issue with short term but they aren't even great players. Just decent 1s. Would it be that hard to find a comparable player to Walcott with potential
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Silas on January 16, 2018, 12:23:17 AM
No issue with short term but they aren't even great players. Just decent 1s. Would it be that hard to find a comparable player to Walcott with potential

Yes if there's potential then there's a massive premium on that
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: GLewis on January 16, 2018, 12:29:10 AM
Yes if there's potential then there's a massive premium on that

If weíre going for potential then I think what people mean is Lukaku when he first joined / signed potential rather than Lookman / Vlasic potential.

If they do mean the former then, as you say, youíre looking at £35-40m in todayís prices.

Then thereís the fight on for them if a CL team also has an interest.

If itís the latter, who are cheaper and easier to sign, we already have those types here.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: eugene on January 16, 2018, 12:54:51 AM
Just location for him probably, gets to stay down south etc
Itís a pain of a drive to Southampton from London by the way, I wouldnít like the commute
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Silas on January 16, 2018, 01:09:50 AM
If weíre going for potential then I think what people mean is Lukaku when he first joined / signed potential rather than Lookman / Vlasic potential.

If they do mean the former then, as you say, youíre looking at £35-40m in todayís prices.

Then thereís the fight on for them if a CL team also has an interest.

If itís the latter, who are cheaper and easier to sign, we already have those types here.

Yep if you want the current ability of Walcott with the potential for me there's a big markup on that or you take a risk on someone who hasn't done it in a while but might for cheap like a Bojan
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Goaljira on January 16, 2018, 01:51:07 AM
If weíre going for potential then I think what people mean is Lukaku when he first joined / signed potential rather than Lookman / Vlasic potential.

If they do mean the former then, as you say, youíre looking at £35-40m in todayís prices.

Then thereís the fight on for them if a CL team also has an interest.

If itís the latter, who are cheaper and easier to sign, we already have those types here.

Yep, if Walcott was 18 and coming through at Southampton now he'd be on his way to Liverpool for £75m.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Juanito on January 16, 2018, 03:06:40 AM
Left them at 15 and might feel he owes them?

Gone back to 2/7 for him to join us. Saints at 7/2.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Audrey Horne on January 16, 2018, 03:32:35 AM
Paul Joyce spoken, announced tmoro or weds
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Goaljira on January 16, 2018, 03:43:00 AM
Paul Joyce spoken, announced tmoro or weds

No, he's not.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: GLewis on January 16, 2018, 03:45:41 AM
No, he's not.

Maybe he literally has spoken (rather than tweeted) ;)
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: pjk on January 16, 2018, 03:45:50 AM
He might have. :)



https://twitter.com/_pauljoycee/status/953007114078838784
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Macca77 on January 16, 2018, 03:47:03 AM
Paul Joyce spoken, announced tmoro or weds

Its not the real Joyce, blag twitter account
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: GLewis on January 16, 2018, 03:47:08 AM
This is his account...

https://mobile.twitter.com/_pauljoyce

One e at the end :)
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: bluenuck on January 16, 2018, 03:50:09 AM
I went to his twitter feed and couldn't find that tweet anywhere.  lolol

Thought i was going crazy
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: TheRam on January 16, 2018, 04:12:24 AM
Still probably sign in a few days.

This absolutely has to be the last of this type of signing.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Cereal Killer on January 16, 2018, 04:19:23 AM
Still probably sign in a few days.

This absolutely has to be the last of this type of signing.

 lolol
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: GLewis on January 16, 2018, 04:25:59 AM
Still probably sign in a few days.

This absolutely has to be the last of this type of signing.

Yeah donít need more experience than Walcott, Sigurdsson and Rooney as options in attacking positions.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: TheRam on January 16, 2018, 04:29:56 AM
Yeah donít need more experience than Walcott, Sigurdsson and Rooney as options in attacking positions.

I actually like this signing.

He's basically replacing Mirallas and Lennon, and that's good business.

Only issue is how will he adapt once he loses has pace. I'm hoping his goalscoring record shows he can still get himself into goalscoring positions once he slows down.

Keep him fit and he'll have the best output from a wide player since kanchelskis
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: brap2 on January 16, 2018, 04:49:46 AM
I actually like this signing.

He's basically replacing Mirallas and Lennon, and that's good business.

Only issue is how will he adapt once he loses has pace. I'm hoping his goalscoring record shows he can still get himself into goalscoring positions once he slows down.

Keep him fit and he'll have the best output from a wide player since kanchelskis

Very decent passer of the ball but theyíre probably safeish passes Iíd guess. Got players like Sanchez Ozil Ramsey Wilshere Xhaka around him through who are all really good at receiving the ball and Iím sure weíre all shite except rooney and sig.

https://twitter.com/mixedknuts/status/952112308234407937

Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Tony Clifton on January 16, 2018, 04:57:35 AM
He might have. :)



https://twitter.com/_pauljoycee/status/953007114078838784

Add ons?

(https://i.makeagif.com/media/6-30-2015/miHbV6.gif)
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Mayor Farnum on January 16, 2018, 04:58:52 AM
Add ons?

(https://i.makeagif.com/media/6-30-2015/miHbV6.gif)

They'll want more money off us when we win the Champions League.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Tony Clifton on January 16, 2018, 05:01:04 AM
They'll want more money off us when we win the Championship.

Fixed for realism ;)
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: brap2 on January 16, 2018, 05:04:36 AM
Add ons?

(https://i.makeagif.com/media/6-30-2015/miHbV6.gif)

Let me check with the boys down at the transfer delegation.

Walshy’s got us workin’ in shifts!
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: bluenuck on January 16, 2018, 05:27:04 AM
Very decent passer of the ball but theyíre probably safeish passes Iíd guess. Got players like Sanchez Ozil Ramsey Wilshere Xhaka around him through who are all really good at receiving the ball and Iím sure weíre all shite except rooney and sig.

https://twitter.com/mixedknuts/status/952112308234407937

Those touches in the box will drop dramatically. All those numbers will get worse after being here for the next ~4 months.

These stats vary way to heavily on the talent you play with.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: brap2 on January 16, 2018, 05:29:16 AM
Those touches in the box will drop dramatically. All those numbers will get worse after being here for the next ~4 months.

These stats vary way to heavily on the talent you play with.

Yep donít disagree but it is what it is, at least on some metrics heís starting from a good place.

Some of our signings are already poor at major things and then come into a shite side.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Goaljira on January 16, 2018, 12:02:38 PM
Now he has spoken.

https://twitter.com/_pauljoyce/status/953132252212465664
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Lxxx on January 16, 2018, 01:02:04 PM
We just need to get the ball out to him early and get in the box to support him now. Not just lazy balls out wide then standing and hoping he creates something on his own.
He was always good at Ďgive n goísí around the right hand side of the box. We need to give him someone to give it to.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Zoolander on January 16, 2018, 01:17:22 PM
We just need to get the ball out to him early and get in the box to support him now. Not just lazy balls out wide then standing and hoping he creates something on his own.
He was always good at "give n go's' around the right hand side of the box. We need to give him someone to give it to.
So obvious isnít it. The amount of times a player of ours passes and then stops dead is unbelievable. Itís been like that for ages though.
If we can get Coleman back to his best him and Walcott on one side would work well.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Macca77 on January 16, 2018, 02:01:19 PM
Now he has spoken.

https://twitter.com/_pauljoyce/status/953132252212465664

Dozens of comments from reds again, and yet they say they really don't care about us, honest
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: eugene on January 16, 2018, 02:12:18 PM
I actually like this signing.

He's basically replacing Mirallas and Lennon, and that's good business.

Only issue is how will he adapt once he loses has pace. I'm hoping his goalscoring record shows he can still get himself into goalscoring positions once he slows down.

Keep him fit and he'll have the best output from a wide player since kanchelskis
More like how will he adapt to not getting the ball passed to him
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Macca77 on January 16, 2018, 02:13:31 PM
Good signing, he offers pace and his goalscoring record is pretty good
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: GLewis on January 16, 2018, 02:16:05 PM
More like how will he adapt to not getting the ball passed to him

I donít think heís someone that needs the ball a lot of the time though, as in his best bits are at the end of moves rather than being involved all the way through.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Macca77 on January 16, 2018, 02:17:56 PM
https://twitter.com/Tony_Scott11/status/953037148839710722
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Jamokachi on January 16, 2018, 02:22:00 PM
https://twitter.com/Tony_Scott11/status/953037148839710722

Whats that now? 'Cos he's about 12 there.

Wait, I get it know... Walcott signs. Aaahhhh.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Macca77 on January 16, 2018, 02:34:18 PM
20 million plus 5 million in addons.

Having a little debate with the reds in work who claim Walcott is worth no where near 20 million because he's "done fuck all for years", now I mentioned that the same could be said about Oxlaide-Chamberlain, they paid 35 million for him plus another few million in addons, and hes done fuck all since he signed, they're not having it though, "the OX is now a 60 million plus player blah blah blah bullshit bullshit bitter bitter etc..". They seem to forget that Klopp wanted Walcott last summer, they were all buzzing then
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: TheTone on January 16, 2018, 02:43:55 PM
In the sweep I'm going 4 games until his hammy goes
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: School of Science on January 16, 2018, 02:46:42 PM
20 million plus 5 million in addons.

Having a little debate with the reds in work who claim Walcott is worth no where near 20 million because he's "done fuck all for years", now I mentioned that the same could be said about Oxlaide-Chamberlain, they paid 35 million for him plus another few million in addons, and hes done fuck all since he signed, they're not having it though, "the OX is now a 60 million plus player blah blah blah bullshit bullshit bitter bitter etc..". They seem to forget that Klopp wanted Walcott last summer, they were all buzzing then

You are right but believe me as underwhelming as the Ox is and be is. That goal alone against Man City and just the thought that he happens to have played for the shite, will ensure that if they sold him tomorrow.....They would fucking get around about £60m.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Hawkandro on January 16, 2018, 02:50:43 PM
Those touches in the box will drop dramatically. All those numbers will get worse after being here for the next ~4 months.

These stats vary way to heavily on the talent you play with.

"...and that's Walcott's first goal for 4 months..."
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: School of Science on January 16, 2018, 02:54:51 PM
Christ lads I'm as miserable as the next Evertonian, but can we give him a chance ? After all he hasn't even fkin signed yet  :)
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Hawkandro on January 16, 2018, 02:55:32 PM
I'm wallowing.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: School of Science on January 16, 2018, 02:59:21 PM
I'm wallowing.

Haha the same, in fact go on just any Everton website forum and you'll see the same. The Big Sam Effect....AKA.  The Great depression.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on January 16, 2018, 03:07:19 PM
I can honestly say Iím really looking forward to seeing him pull on the blue shirt and tearing the bullens touchline a new one as he flies towards the Gwladys.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Lxxx on January 16, 2018, 03:08:46 PM
Heís better than every other attacking player at the club so on that basis itís got to be a good move.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on January 16, 2018, 03:57:48 PM
Just a couple of signings and Coleman back, would make a huge difference. If we cant find any money down the back of the sofa, maybe flip Kenny from RB to LB, as flipping Cuco doesnt seem to be working... This would give a lot more pace and threat, but still have a solid 4 further back with 2 energetic fullbacks providing cover/overlaps. Other than Kennny, all other Players actually playing where they are best suited.

Pickford

Keane ---------- PJ/AW

Coleman ---------------------------------------- Kenny/LB

Gueye ---------- N'Zonzie

Sigurdsson

Walcott ---------------------------------- Lookman
Tosun
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: brap2 on January 16, 2018, 03:59:12 PM
Kenny is a liability unfortunately
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Waltzer on January 16, 2018, 04:07:26 PM
Kenny is a liability unfortunately

He is isnt having his best spell but I think he'll be a valuable member of the squad for years to come. I've been looking at the games lately and I also don't think Gueye helps us a great deal. Im not saying hes bad, but when you look at his positional sense I think he leaves us with huge holes. He reminds me sometimes of a school boy player as you see him tearing around the pitch chasing the ball from one side to the other, and when he gets bypassed there are huge holes in our midfield. I still think hes the best option in CM, but I think he needs to be a bit more disciplined to help us retain our shape.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Lxxx on January 16, 2018, 04:07:37 PM
Kenny is a liability unfortunately

He needs a break. This is his first season in top flight football and mentally he's showing it. It's a tough ask for a young kid in a struggling side, same with DCL. They've been overplayed for their talent and stage of development.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 16, 2018, 04:10:10 PM
At Finch Farm now apparently
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: blargins on January 16, 2018, 04:11:27 PM
You are right but believe me as underwhelming as the Ox is and be is. That goal alone against Man City and just the thought that he happens to have played for the shite, will ensure that if they sold him tomorrow.....They would fucking get around about £60m.
Given they paid 35 mill for him in the last year of his contract, as soon as he signed his value increased to 60 at a minimum.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: School of Science on January 16, 2018, 04:22:14 PM
Think Kenny has been excellent this season, will agree he had the run around against Son, but let's not let one performance cloud our judgement. Son is in fantastic form and has been one of Spurs best players for the last two seasons. I would have no problem seeing Kenny eventually take over from Seamus.
Title: Theo Walcott
Post by: mikey_blue on January 16, 2018, 04:45:57 PM
With Walcott being used to a side that play pass and love football, I do wonder (like I do with every wide player) could he link well with Baines? Bailcott?
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: brap2 on January 16, 2018, 04:55:44 PM
Think Kenny has been excellent this season, will agree he had the run around against Son, but let's not let one performance cloud our judgement. Son is in fantastic form and has been one of Spurs best players for the last two seasons. I would have no problem seeing Kenny eventually take over from Seamus.

No problem with him being in and around the side but long term taking over from Coleman needs to be another athlete with naturally attacking nature.

Kenny is small, not quick, and a poor dribbler. Not going to take over long term I’m afraid.

Edit : get tavernier in the summer with Kenny going on loan to rangers.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: TheRam on January 16, 2018, 05:06:48 PM
No problem with him being in and around the side but long term taking over from Coleman needs to be another athlete with naturally attacking nature.

Kenny is small, not quick, and a poor dribbler. Not going to take over long term Iím afraid.

Edit : get tavernier in the summer with Kenny going on loan to rangers.

That's a poor shout.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Macca77 on January 16, 2018, 05:12:58 PM
https://twitter.com/bbcsport_david/status/953215751934169089
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: ally2 on January 16, 2018, 05:14:44 PM
I'm hardly doing cart wheels over this. Someone on the phone-in after the Arsenal-Forest game described Walcott as "Pathetic" haha. On the other side of the coin Allardyce loves a good restoration project, and he would improve our first 11 no doubt. He needs a new environment. It could work wonders. Just hope he tones down the social media selfie stuff a little bit.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 16, 2018, 05:24:18 PM
If Arsenal lose Walcott and Sanchez and spend that money on Aubemyang that would be a sound Window for them
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Alanvideo on January 16, 2018, 05:29:25 PM
No problem with him being in and around the side but long term taking over from Coleman needs to be another athlete with naturally attacking nature.

Kenny is small, not quick, and a poor dribbler. Not going to take over long term Iím afraid.

.............that's extremely harsh on Kenny
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Hawkandro on January 16, 2018, 05:57:22 PM
If Arsenal lose Walcott and Sanchez and spend that money on Aubemyang that would be a sound Window for them

Malcom looks like a potential superstar too.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on January 16, 2018, 06:10:45 PM
Malcom looks like a potential superstar too.

I'm assuming they'd play him in the middle....
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: blargins on January 16, 2018, 06:11:31 PM
I would love us to go after those players too. But we're not in that market at present.

Walcott for 20 million is pretty good business though.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 16, 2018, 06:11:58 PM
I'm assuming they'd play him in the middle....
Boom

In other news, Have Brazilians just got bored with names now?
Pele, Jairzinho, Socrates, Jo, Fred, Bernard, Malcolm

Come on ffs, lets get back on track
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Ross on January 16, 2018, 06:15:32 PM
I'm assuming they'd play him in the middle....

Yes, no, maybe...
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Macca77 on January 16, 2018, 06:18:44 PM
At Finch Farm now
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Cozzie on January 16, 2018, 06:21:51 PM
https://twitter.com/bbcsport_david/status/953215751934169089

Some of the photoshops in the comment section of that man are epic haha.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Cozzie on January 16, 2018, 06:25:12 PM
I think with Tosun and Walcott we have two players giving us what we have lacked a lot this season, I just fear we have got the wrong manager to get the best out of them.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: The Analog Kid on January 16, 2018, 06:26:21 PM
Walcott at Broad Green now having first part of medical.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Macca77 on January 16, 2018, 06:27:32 PM
Walcott at Broad Green now having first part of medical.

Hows his hair looking? That's the most important question here
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Goughie on January 16, 2018, 06:28:12 PM
Wouldnt say that im massively excited about signing Walcott, but immhapoy with the addition.  Its a massive improvement on Mirallas, another attacker to add to the mix, a pace which weíve been desperately short of.
I think this could relegare Rooney to the bench and push Sig into middle.

Now for a LB!
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: The Analog Kid on January 16, 2018, 06:28:25 PM
Hows his hair looking? That's the most important question here

Iíve no idea lar.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Redartin on January 16, 2018, 06:28:36 PM
I hate Southampton.

First they let us take Koeman, and now they didn't push hard enough to prevent this, AND, they have supplied the red shite with players for years.

Nuke them.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Django on January 16, 2018, 06:45:17 PM
Walcott is a good piece of business imo. Instant upgrade on Lennon and will offer much more than Mirallas did post 2012-13.

His record really stands up. He's nearing on 1 in 4. Which for a player who has constantly been played in various roles and from the bench is really good.

I think people forget the quality difference of players playing for the likes of Arsenal, United etc. He'll come in and have a better touch and more instinct than anyone in our squad.

Not over the moon that we seem to be going for short term fixes but then again we do have the like of Lookman and Vlasic who look like the real deal but it's just way too soon for them to contribute consistently.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Goaljira on January 16, 2018, 06:46:16 PM
I hate Southampton.

First they let us take Koeman, and now they didn't push hard enough to prevent this, AND, they have supplied the red shite with players for years.

Nuke them.

And Schneiderlin.  And Martina.  And Steklenberg.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Ross on January 16, 2018, 06:47:26 PM
And Schneiderlin.  And Martina.  And Steklenberg.

Now I fuckin hate Southampton as well.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Macca77 on January 16, 2018, 06:48:53 PM
And Schneiderlin.  And Martina.  And Steklenberg.

Koeman signed Martina twice, TWICE!! Fuck sake
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Goaljira on January 16, 2018, 06:59:25 PM
Koeman signed Martina twice, TWICE!! Fuck sake

And Shaw and Bertrand are both either at Southampton or ex-Southampton. 

Everton and Liverpool's scouts basically watch Southampton's end of season DVDs don't they.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Lxxx on January 16, 2018, 07:04:18 PM
Walcott is a good piece of business imo. Instant upgrade on Lennon and will offer much more than Mirallas did post 2012-13.

His record really stands up. He's nearing on 1 in 4. Which for a player who has constantly been played in various roles and from the bench is really good.

I think people forget the quality difference of players playing for the likes of Arsenal, United etc. He'll come in and have a better touch and more instinct than anyone in our squad.

Not over the moon that we seem to be going for short term fixes but then again we do have the like of Lookman and Vlasic who look like the real deal but it's just way too soon for them to contribute consistently.

I've seen this posted a few times but as yet Sam hasn't given any indication he seems to think the same, certainly with Vlasic and aside from a fleeting half hour against the shite Lookman either.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Macca77 on January 16, 2018, 07:05:18 PM
Song sorted -

Theo
Theo
Theo
Theo
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: TheRam on January 16, 2018, 07:05:50 PM
https://twitter.com/arsenalfantv/status/953217803355656192

Not many kind words from the Arsenal fans here. One fan even said he hopes he dies which I found slightly harsh.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Coyney83 on January 16, 2018, 07:07:36 PM
We desperately need pace and the option to run in behind (assuming we 1. have possession of the ball and 2. a player who can play a forward pass), so he certainly offers that.

I think he will excite and frustrate in equal measure. But either way I'll support him.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Ell Capitan on January 16, 2018, 07:08:36 PM
Surprised at the resistance to this one to be honest.

Will walk into our first team.

It would be nice to sign unknown 20 year olds for cheap who quickly turn into a Ronaldo, but those signings fail more often than they work.

Now we have money we can balance out buying potential with proven talent. I think a look at our recent transfers suggests thatís exactly what we are doing.

Whether we are doing it well is another question, but thereís every reason to suggest Walcott will immediately improve us. So I donít see the issue.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Major Clanger on January 16, 2018, 07:10:17 PM
Will walk into our first team.

Isn't this sort of the problem with Walcott? :)
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: kramer0 on January 16, 2018, 07:10:30 PM
assuming we 1. have possession of the ball and 2. a player who can play a forward pass

1.
Spoiler: show
We won't.


2.
Spoiler: show
We don't.


The midfield is a much bigger issue than the attack. Even lousy attackers will score if you feed them.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Lxxx on January 16, 2018, 07:14:20 PM
It's hardly surprising Sam's not concerning himself too much with options for the 2019/20 season when he's on an 18 month contract. He's bothered about his reputation and the here and now, it'll be someone else's job to pick the bones out of an ageing midfield while he's sat in his villa in Portugal or wherever waiting for the next panicking chairman to top up his pension.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Redartin on January 16, 2018, 07:19:45 PM
We desperately need pace and the option to run in behind (assuming the players forming the bus at the back can hoof into those open spaces), so he certainly offers that.

I think he will excite and frustrate in equal measure. But either way I'll support him.

fixed it
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: TheTone on January 16, 2018, 07:26:49 PM
getting bored with signing Man Utd cast offs so we're turning to the Arse now

bet we've had another go at Giroud too

future looks great
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Craig_1878 on January 16, 2018, 07:27:39 PM
He's at finch farm according to SSN
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 16, 2018, 07:38:21 PM
https://twitter.com/BenRansomSky/status/953252299564048384

Errr is he mad? Or is this total shit
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Lxxx on January 16, 2018, 07:39:01 PM
https://twitter.com/BenRansomSky/status/953252299564048384

Errr is he mad? Or is this total shit

We offered to match his astronomical wages.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Macca77 on January 16, 2018, 07:43:03 PM
https://twitter.com/BenRansomSky/status/953252299564048384

Errr is he mad? Or is this total shit


Haha nothing to do with the 120k a week we've offered him
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Audrey Horne on January 16, 2018, 07:48:21 PM
Im happy with him, think he will do well for us
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Gash on January 16, 2018, 07:52:53 PM
Never thought I'd see the words "wanted to work with Sam Allardyce" in the same sentence ever again after Kevin Nolan retired.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Bluedylan on January 16, 2018, 07:57:01 PM
Meh
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Gash on January 16, 2018, 07:58:22 PM
I'm not that excited about this deal but in the current climate it's not bad at all. Get him for roughly half a Sigurdsson with very similar stats, he's got more goals per games and nearly the same assists but brings a bit of pace to the team as well.

He's a point to prove so could turn out to be a very good piece of business.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: brap2 on January 16, 2018, 08:00:45 PM
That's a poor shout.

Yeah it might be actually. Think Iíve let Son roasting him go to my head a bit.

What I will say is heís deceptively good in the air and defends his back post better than Baines ever has, and is a good 1v1 tackler with a hibbo-esque slidey in the locker.

Maybe his attacking outlook will improve with Walcott / Tosun ahead of him.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: blargins on January 16, 2018, 08:03:56 PM
At the price, it really is a no brainer. If it was another 10 mill more, then I'd rather pass onto someone else. Or rather hoof onto someone else.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Cozzie on January 16, 2018, 08:05:09 PM
As I said my biggest worry is that we practically have the most negative manager in the league.

We will probably still see 3 DM's and Rooney in forcing Sig out wide.

Can't help but feel we wont see the potential of the players we have under Sam. 
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Lxxx on January 16, 2018, 08:06:57 PM
He's 18 months younger than Mirallas and Lennon and offers more in terms of productivity so on that score he'll be an improvement. Not very imaginative but if as our owner says money is no longer an issue (silly statement) then it has to be seen to be a step in the right direction.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Ross on January 16, 2018, 08:10:35 PM
Looks like Moshiri can still rely on Jimbo Whitey even after what he said about him at the AGM.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: everton1952 on January 16, 2018, 08:16:59 PM
As I said my biggest worry is that we practically have the most negative manager in the league.

We will probably still see 3 DM's and Rooney in forcing Sig out wide.

Can't help but feel we wont see the potential of the players we have under Sam. 

Which players in particular do you fear will not have their potential realised under Allardyce?
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: therealdunc on January 16, 2018, 08:17:37 PM
As I said my biggest worry is that we practically have the most negative manager in the league.

We will probably still see 3 DM's and Rooney in forcing Sig out wide.

Can't help but feel we wont see the potential of the players we have under Sam.

The defence much improved under Sam

Sam has a record for turning players around, especially midfielders

But yeah, he is the most negative manager in the world ever and itís trendy to hate someone whoís had barely 6 weeks in a job with someone elseís squad

Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Cozzie on January 16, 2018, 08:21:07 PM
Which players in particular do you fear will not have their potential realised under Allardyce?

Lookman and Vlasic will probably not get the game time needed under his tenure here, at least that is what it feels like.

Sig will most likely never get played centrally either, with Rooney being accommodated.

The defence will always be sound in essence, but he just doesn't do attacking football, regardless of who he has at his disposal. 
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: therealdunc on January 16, 2018, 08:26:10 PM
Lookman and Vlasic will probably not get the game time needed under his tenure here, at least that is what it feels like.

Sig will most likely never get played centrally either, with Rooney being accommodated.

The defence will always be sound in essence, but he just doesn't do attacking football, regardless of who he has at his disposal.

I do wonder how all those teams he kept up did so without ever playing attacking football?
What a load of rubbish not based on any of the evidence

Lookman and Vlasic didnít get a look in under Koeman and Unsy, but of course itís big sams fault they are not ready for first team football.

I must be watching different matches as every time rooney goes off, Sigurdsson goes central. But as you say it Ďneverí happens.

But as you say, itís all about ho you feel - when you footballing opinions are based on feelings not facts, you need to have a word with yourself
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: gizzblue on January 16, 2018, 08:26:53 PM
Which players in particular do you fear will not have their potential realised under Allardyce?
Anybody north of the halfway line imho....will be playing ten mins per 90.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: gizzblue on January 16, 2018, 08:28:46 PM
Sam has a record for turning midfield players round ....
As the ball flies over their heads .

Fixed
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: themilkycoffees on January 16, 2018, 08:31:04 PM
I do wonder how all those teams he kept up did so without ever playing attacking football?
What a load of rubbish not based on any of the evidence

Lookman and Vlasic didnít get a look in under Koeman and Unsy, but of course itís big sams fault they are not ready for first team football.

I must be watching different matches as every time rooney goes off, Sigurdsson goes central. But as you say it Ďneverí happens.

But as you say, itís all about ho you feel - when you footballing opinions are based on feelings not facts, you need to have a word with yourself

It can seem he's being blamed for everything when in reality he's not. The chronic lack of shots on target/shots at all is very worrying though. There does seem to be a lack of any sort of tactics when we're going forward which is probably why people are getting frustrated at Sigurdsson playing out of position and attacking players like Vlasic and Lookman being overlooked.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Django on January 16, 2018, 08:31:14 PM
Number 11. All sorted.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Cozzie on January 16, 2018, 08:33:52 PM
I do wonder how all those teams he kept up did so without ever playing attacking football?
What a load of rubbish not based on any of the evidence

Lookman and Vlasic didnít get a look in under Koeman and Unsy, but of course itís big sams fault they are not ready for first team football.

I must be watching different matches as every time rooney goes off, Sigurdsson goes central. But as you say it Ďneverí happens.

But as you say, itís all about ho you feel - when you footballing opinions are based on feelings not facts, you need to have a word with yourself

The "facts" are we have had 5 shots on target in our last 6 games.

He kept those teams up with dire football because that was his brief, his brief here will not have been to "keep us up" If you think Allardyce has in any way promoted good attacking football at any point in his managerial career so far then I salute your delusion.

He has time to turn this around but I am not confident he will ever get us playing in any way shape or form a style of threatening football at all.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: bluestevie on January 16, 2018, 08:40:28 PM
Number 11. All sorted.

11? Interesting, I was thinking he might have been given 8 for some reason
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: sam of the south on January 16, 2018, 08:46:30 PM
11? Interesting, I was thinking he might have been given 8 for some reason


Nah, that will be reserved for Gazza



(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180116/010b49acbdf59773cc0a6bc6876eb6fc.jpg)
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on January 16, 2018, 08:51:56 PM
Now can we have a Left Back and a defensive midfielder that can pass/tackle/hold on to the ball.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Lincs Toffee on January 16, 2018, 08:56:40 PM
11? Interesting, I was thinking he might have been given 8 for some reason
N'Zonzi will be 8
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Cozzie on January 16, 2018, 08:57:54 PM
Now can we have a Left Back and a defensive midfielder that can pass/tackle/hold on to the ball.

N'zonzi and a new LB will be a good window, if we can continue to turf out the dead wood.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: bluestevie on January 16, 2018, 09:03:09 PM
The defence much improved under Sam

Sam has a record for turning players around, especially midfielders

But yeah, he is the most negative manager in the world ever and itís trendy to hate someone whoís had barely 6 weeks in a job with someone elseís squad



Much improved? Mate since we beat Swansea on December 18th, we've conceded 10 in 6 games and only scored twice, 4 of the games we barely managed a shot on target for Christ sake. If that's improvement then fuck me we are screwed
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on January 16, 2018, 09:03:16 PM
Walcott in
Cresswell rumoured
N'Zonzi rumoured

Would make the team a LOT more balanced if they all came in... 4-5-1 general, 4-3-3 attacking, etc. rather than 8-1-1:



Pickford/MS

Keane/MH ---------- Jags/AW/FM
Coleman/JK ------------------------------------------------ Cresswell/LB

Gueye/MB ---------- N'Zonzi/MS

Sigurdsson/WR

Walcott/NV ------------------------- Lookman/YB (HO*)
Tosun/DCL

Don't forget our Henry, who was knocking them in left right and centre.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Cuttyblue on January 16, 2018, 09:11:00 PM
Never thought I'd see the words "wanted to work with Sam Allardyce" in the same sentence ever again after Kevin Nolan retired.

Serious question: isnít Sam supposed to be popular with his players/good man mgt?

Also, can he play over on the left wing? Does he get back to defend if required?
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Waltzer on January 16, 2018, 09:13:13 PM
Walcott in
Cresswell rumoured
N'Zonzi rumoured

Would make the team a LOT more balanced if they all came in... 4-5-1 general, 4-3-3 attacking, etc. rather than 8-1-1:



Pickford/MS

Keane/MH ---------- Jags/AW/FM
Coleman/JK ------------------------------------------------ Cresswell/LB

Gueye/MB ---------- N'Zonzi/MS

Sigurdsson/WR

Walcott/NV ------------------------- Lookman/YB (HO*)
Tosun/DCL

Don't forget our Henry, who was knocking them in left right and centre.

Having Walcott and Nzonzi, but not Creswell, he is average at best and isnt better than Baines I dont think
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Ross on January 16, 2018, 09:15:50 PM
I do wonder how all those teams he kept up did so without ever playing attacking football?
What a load of rubbish not based on any of the evidence

Lookman and Vlasic didnít get a look in under Koeman and Unsy, but of course itís big sams fault they are not ready for first team football.



Lookman featured in 6 of Unsworths 8 games.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on January 16, 2018, 09:17:33 PM
Having Walcott and Nzonzi, but not Creswell, he is average at best and isnt better than Baines I dont think

Cresswell isnt a bad player. Got a cracking cross on him and a tremendous engine, but obviously not a world beater. However, he is 10 times better than Martina, and dont forget Baines is 34 in December, so a fly farting near him will injure him, when hes not injured ;)

Be nice to set the bar a bit higher, but I can see some kind of deal between us and West Ham, if they are really after Davies. Lanzini hopefully coming into that deal as more a winger than a playmaker maybe? We've only got 15 days of the window left, so you would think they had something up their sleeves :D
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Waltzer on January 16, 2018, 09:19:24 PM
Cresswell isnt bad player. Got a cracking cross on him and a tremendous engine, but obviously not a world beater. However, he is 10 times better than Martina, and dont forget Baines is 34 in december, so a fly farting near him will injure him, when hes not injured ;)

I think Baines needs replacing but not with someone substandard, most West Ham fans are okay with him leaving as he isnt very good. There has to be better options out there, and i bet they'd want a wedge for him too
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on January 16, 2018, 09:23:25 PM
Bertrand.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: TheTone on January 16, 2018, 09:24:24 PM
From the beeb

January Sale at Argosnal!

**Super Sanchez** - was £80m now £35m plus (very high) maintenance and signing on charges.

**Speedster Walcott** - was £50m now £20m (batteries not included)

Hurry, Sale ends 31st January!

Warning:- your club could be at risk if you don't keep these products pampered
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: pjk on January 16, 2018, 09:35:49 PM
The Star saying it's all done and dusted. It is the Star like, so maybe we need confirmation from Twitter. ;)



https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/674532/Everton-transfer-news-Theo-Walcott-done-deal-Arsenal-20m
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: D15TIN on January 16, 2018, 09:39:03 PM
Creswell is shite, a kopite and not long term
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Cozzie on January 16, 2018, 09:39:34 PM
Just read that Walcott grew up a Liverpool fan.

Why do I do this to myself?
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: BlueForYou on January 16, 2018, 09:44:30 PM
Nolan for the coaching staff next, then?

A Kopite and Allardyce man!
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Mayor Farnum on January 16, 2018, 09:50:42 PM
Nolan for the coaching staff next, then?

A Kopite and Allardyce man!

Exaggerate much?
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: everton1952 on January 16, 2018, 09:56:06 PM
If it isn't bad enough watching a great Shite team beat a great City team last week, and listening to Carra tossing himself off over it ever since, now we get massive infiltration by former Kopites. I hear they want Goodison Park as a car park for their matchdays. Where does it all end?  Have you heard the Kopite joke about Everton's new ground? They have named it "The Pothole". i.e. it will never get filled. It is all a joke I know, except for last week's match which was painfully true and the Carra gloating.   
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Django on January 16, 2018, 10:01:20 PM
If it isn't bad enough watching a great Shite team beat a great City team last week, and listening to Carra tossing himself off over it ever since, now we get massive infiltration by former Kopites. I hear they want Goodison Park as a car park for their matchdays. Where does it all end?  Have you heard the Kopite joke about Everton's new ground? They have named it "The Pothole". i.e. it will never get filled. It is all a joke I know, except for last week's match which was painfully true and the Carra gloating.   

They sell pizza at their ground and the majority of fans watch behind an ipad.

Carragher can toss himself off as much as he likes, they always get great performances at Anfield. Their manager is a bottle job as well don't forget.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Cozzie on January 16, 2018, 10:01:38 PM
If it isn't bad enough watching a great Shite team beat a great City team last week, and listening to Carra tossing himself off over it ever since, now we get massive infiltration by former Kopites. I hear they want Goodison Park as a car park for their matchdays. Where does it all end?  Have you heard the Kopite joke about Everton's new ground? They have named it "The Pothole". i.e. it will never get filled. It is all a joke I know, except for last week's match which was painfully true and the Carra gloating.   

I usually think I am bad but Christ mate, you aren't half one negative bastard.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: blargins on January 16, 2018, 10:14:31 PM
If it isn't bad enough watching a great Shite team beat a great City team last week, and listening to Carra tossing himself off over it ever since, now we get massive infiltration by former Kopites. I hear they want Goodison Park as a car park for their matchdays. Where does it all end?  Have you heard the Kopite joke about Everton's new ground? They have named it "The Pothole". i.e. it will never get filled. It is all a joke I know, except for last week's match which was painfully true and the Carra gloating.   

Didn't we beat a similar Man City team 4-0 last season, inflicting Pep's biggest league defeat to date?

We are in bad shape at the moment, so were Spurs a few years ago. We seem to have mirrored their bad spending when they sold Bale. Seem to recall them languishing towards the bottom of the league for half a season too. We need to create a team again.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: everton1952 on January 16, 2018, 10:25:45 PM
I usually think I am bad but Christ mate, you aren't half one negative bastard.
Errr no, I was trying to lighten the mood by being funny. The Pothole bit was funny wasn't it?
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: blue slug on January 16, 2018, 10:37:10 PM
Didn't we beat a similar Man City team 4-0 last season, inflicting Pep's biggest league defeat to date?

We are in bad shape at the moment, so were Spurs a few years ago. We seem to have mirrored their bad spending when they sold Bale. Seem to recall them languishing towards the bottom of the league for half a season too. We need to create a team again.

Thatís the spirit blargs a bit of positivity
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: D15TIN on January 16, 2018, 10:39:12 PM
If it isn't bad enough watching a great Shite team beat a great City team last week, and listening to Carra tossing himself off over it ever since, now we get massive infiltration by former Kopites. I hear they want Goodison Park as a car park for their matchdays. Where does it all end?  Have you heard the Kopite joke about Everton's new ground? They have named it "The Pothole". i.e. it will never get filled. It is all a joke I know, except for last week's match which was painfully true and the Carra gloating.   
I was by their main stand for the derby, there was a good 100 seats empty, they don't sell theirs out these days
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: everton1952 on January 16, 2018, 10:45:13 PM
Some of them may be like the City/Utd fans who are so rich they buy the tickets and don't turn up. West Ham's last home game announced a full house. There were thousands of empty seats.  Arsenal ditto. It is raining, it is cold, it is on the box, why bother travelling? Who cares if you are loaded?
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Bwana on January 16, 2018, 10:56:22 PM
Having Walcott and Nzonzi, but not Creswell, he is average at best and isnt better than Baines I dont think

He is, at least at the moment when Baines is doing the water running. Would definitely welcome him.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Thomas on January 16, 2018, 11:02:29 PM
Where does Walcott fit into our side?

Odd signing.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: BlueForYou on January 16, 2018, 11:04:11 PM
No exaggeration, Lord Mayor Show

Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Bwana on January 16, 2018, 11:06:18 PM
Just read that Walcott grew up a Liverpool fan.

Why do I do this to myself?

Youngsters make mistakes. Ask Shankly.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Macca77 on January 16, 2018, 11:07:04 PM
https://twitter.com/EvertonNewsFeed/status/953307191418802176
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: DanDan on January 16, 2018, 11:08:27 PM
Where does Walcott fit into our side?

Odd signing.

Any of the three forward positions
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: blueToffee on January 16, 2018, 11:10:31 PM
Where does Walcott fit into our side?

Odd signing.

He replaces someone up front, because he's better than what we have. Not Tosun, so that leaves 1 of 3 at the moment...take your pick.

Could well be Bolasie in the short term.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Heisenberg on January 16, 2018, 11:26:16 PM
Our midfield looks like someones fantasy team from 4 seasons ago
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Ell Capitan on January 16, 2018, 11:32:05 PM
Where does Walcott fit into our side?

Odd signing.

I would assume on the wing.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 16, 2018, 11:34:00 PM
We are a marhez (or 6 more big club rejects) away from being as good as Leicester. Keep spending.... the dizzy heights are within reach
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: School of Science on January 16, 2018, 11:50:49 PM
Surely we'll play a front interchangeable three similar to Liverpool's, Walcott, Tosun and Bolasie. Hopefully with Sigurdsson just behind.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Simon Paul on January 16, 2018, 11:51:50 PM
Left wing letting Sigurdsson play centrally

Rooney dropping back replacing McCarthy
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: School of Science on January 16, 2018, 11:57:11 PM
Left wing letting Sigurdsson play centrally

Rooney dropping back replacing McCarthy

Would you have Bolasie on the right wing as well Si ?
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: gizzblue on January 17, 2018, 12:09:02 AM
Left wing letting Sigurdsson play centrally

Rooney dropping back replacing McCarthy
Would take any and all of that ....we may even get out out own half despite the managers(sniggers) ideas.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Mayor Farnum on January 17, 2018, 12:16:17 AM
Where does Walcott fit into our side?

Odd signing.

Yea, 28 years old, 10 years PL experience, nearly 100 goals, pace to burn and all for less that we paid for Klaassen. Bizarre signing!
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: D15TIN on January 17, 2018, 12:16:38 AM
These selections will count for nothing if we don't sign a LB
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: brap2 on January 17, 2018, 12:21:43 AM
Left wing letting Sigurdsson play centrally

Rooney dropping back replacing McCarthy

Everything crossed for this
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Simon Paul on January 17, 2018, 12:24:24 AM
Would you have Bolasie on the right wing as well Si ?

definitely

Bolasie is mustard when he's fit
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: TheTone on January 17, 2018, 12:24:30 AM
https://twitter.com/EvertonNewsFeed/status/953307191418802176

fuck me, he's put on serious timber and aged a lot
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Macca77 on January 17, 2018, 12:26:03 AM
Medical done, personal terms being finalised
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Goaljira on January 17, 2018, 12:28:20 AM
Medical done, personal terms being finalised

They're filming his 'welcome' video.  Personal terms were done yesterday according to @Django (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4371)
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: velimski on January 17, 2018, 12:28:47 AM
Can't recall Walcott ever playing on the left.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Goaljira on January 17, 2018, 12:29:12 AM
Can't recall Walcott ever playing on the left.

Bolasie has though.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Silas on January 17, 2018, 12:29:32 AM
This is a very smart signing, he's a big improvement on several on our option across the three up front. Quite excited about this.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Cozzie on January 17, 2018, 12:30:47 AM
Yeah I am pretty sure he is predominantly a right sided player.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Goaljira on January 17, 2018, 12:31:00 AM
A Sandro - Tosun - Walcott front 3 at home against the lesser sides might be good.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: velimski on January 17, 2018, 12:31:12 AM
Bolasie has though.

I know. Just don't understand the shouts for Walcott to play on the left.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Simon Paul on January 17, 2018, 12:31:33 AM
Yeah I am pretty sure he is predominantly a right sided player.

nah, Wenger's had it wrong all these years and he's going to smash it on the left
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: plowman2 on January 17, 2018, 12:34:41 AM
Left wing letting Sigurdsson play centrally

Rooney dropping back replacing McCarthy
Rather have Mcarthy there than Rooney to be honest. Too deep for errors.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Simon Paul on January 17, 2018, 12:40:43 AM
no idea what Everton are playing at to be honest

no way a player should sign before a thread reaches 50 pages on here these days
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: mikey_blue on January 17, 2018, 12:44:30 AM
no idea what Everton are playing at to be honest

no way a player should sign before a thread reaches 50 pages on here these days

"Personal terms to finalised" - There's still time for fume.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Simon Paul on January 17, 2018, 12:48:46 AM
"Personal terms to finalised" - There's still time for fume.

going to have to start the offers at a Mars Bar a day to get us over 100 pages though!
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on January 17, 2018, 01:17:41 AM
Bolasie used to rip us down the left, if i recall right
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Lxxx on January 17, 2018, 01:26:48 AM
Bolasie has though.

Bolasie spent most of his career at Palace on the left, with Puncheon cutting inside from the right.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: DanDan on January 17, 2018, 01:28:59 AM
Bolasie used to rip us down the left, if i recall right

Gave Coleman a torrid time
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Paddockoldie on January 17, 2018, 02:10:37 AM
Decent signing for us. Him on the right with Bolasie left and Sig number 10 as already stated could be tasty, especially with a target man now. The problem is getting Sam to be that adventurous.... if we play on the counter we'll have some pace at last.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Jamokachi on January 17, 2018, 02:21:16 AM
Who was the last player we signed from Arsenal, was it Richard Wright?
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: eugene on January 17, 2018, 02:22:04 AM
Has it been officially announced
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 17, 2018, 02:22:58 AM
Who was the last player we signed from Arsenal, was it Richard Wright?
Jeffers or senderos on loan?
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Jamokachi on January 17, 2018, 02:28:31 AM
Jeffers or senderos on loan?

Ah yea... how could I forget those halcyon days!
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Mayor Farnum on January 17, 2018, 02:31:10 AM
Who was the last player we signed from Arsenal, was it Richard Wright?
Simon Hughes?
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: velimski on January 17, 2018, 02:32:10 AM
Simon Hughes?

Stephen.

That would have been pre Richard Wright.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Mayor Farnum on January 17, 2018, 02:33:48 AM
Stephen.

That would have been pre Richard Wright.

and both as forgettable as the other.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: eugene on January 17, 2018, 02:34:11 AM
Has he signed!
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Jamokachi on January 17, 2018, 02:41:34 AM
Has he signed!

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=have+everton+announced+the+signing+of+theo+walcott%3F
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Trowel on January 17, 2018, 03:14:40 AM
Has he signed!
Our press office are waiting until 3am to release it to minimise coverage.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Redartin on January 17, 2018, 03:29:04 AM
They're filming his 'welcome' video.

Delay in hiring an excitable crowd?
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Lxxx on January 17, 2018, 03:37:39 AM
Contract Dave is the team captain of the Tuesday night quiz at his local so it has to wait till the morning.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Goaljira on January 17, 2018, 03:55:03 AM
going to have to start the offers at a Mars Bar a day to get us over 100 pages though!

Blue Moon have got a 4250+ page thread for Alexis Sanchez not signing for them.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: sam of the south on January 17, 2018, 04:02:27 AM
Blue Moon have got a 4250+ page thread for Alexis Sanchez not signing for them.

Flash bastards with their big numbers
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Ridge on January 17, 2018, 04:06:45 AM
Won't believe it until Jim White says we've completed it for £70m
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: woodduck on January 17, 2018, 04:08:54 AM
Not a smart signing in my opinion. He averages around 40 days out a year, and that doesn't include his cruciate ligament injury in 2014 or his shoulder injury in 2008 (big layoffs).
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on January 17, 2018, 04:12:44 AM
Not a smart signing in my opinion. He averages around 40 days out a year, and that doesn't include his cruciate ligament injury in 2014 or his shoulder injury in 2008 (big layoffs).

Suppose we only need him for 38 and the first games that we get knocked out of the FA Cup and League Cup, so he'll be sound.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Escla on January 17, 2018, 04:16:56 AM
Not a smart signing in my opinion. He averages around 40 days out a year, and that doesn't include his cruciate ligament injury in 2014 or his shoulder injury in 2008 (big layoffs).

Certainly didnít mean to like that, why such fucking negativity before the guy has even kicked a ball !
It must be horrible to have such a negative outloook, try a little positive thinking instead of raking up negative stats that have no bearing on the future.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Mick 1995 on January 17, 2018, 04:22:05 AM
Not a smart signing in my opinion. He averages around 40 days out a year, and that doesn't include his cruciate ligament injury in 2014 or his shoulder injury in 2008 (big layoffs).

Fucking hell, that makes his stats look all the more impressive
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: bogie on January 17, 2018, 04:44:12 AM
Certainly didn’t mean to like that, why such fucking negativity before the guy has even kicked a ball !
It must be horrible to have such a negative outloook, try a little positive thinking instead of raking up negative stats that have no bearing on the future.

any player signing with big Sam here will not get a go from some on here
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: plowman2 on January 17, 2018, 04:51:10 AM
If we don't get this done soon the chloroform is going to wear off! Imagine when he wakes up and big Sam is lying next to him with a big satisfied smile on his face.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: pjk on January 17, 2018, 04:51:45 AM
Think he's a good signing personally. If we can keep him fit, he's going to be very useful. Maybe not on the same scale, but I think something like getting Kanchelskis from United was a similar purchase.  I could be wrong, but I think he's going to be loved by the fans. If Allardyce can get anywhere near the upturn in form that he got with Jermaine Defoe, we're going to do alright. :)
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: TheRam on January 17, 2018, 05:13:46 AM
https://twitter.com/thepieman13/status/953226076800585728
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 17, 2018, 05:21:48 AM
He undoubtedly brings a goal threat
There's going to have be a pretty big tactical switch tho for him to carry that threat for us
After the derby I'd have said this will be sound, after Allardyce saying we need to be more boring I just have images of him and tosun 40 yards away from everyone else
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: brap2 on January 17, 2018, 05:51:19 AM
Says more about me than him but I donít really know what kinds of goals he scores. Has anyone got a boss highlight video to whet the old appetite?

Positives :

Fast
Knows the prem
Can score
Can assist
Can be direct
Generally better than what we have in general
Tactically flexibility - RW/LW/ST
Has scored in big, clutch moments
Big club experience
European experience
4-4-2 RWíers who score are extremely rare and generally expensive
Potential fun return of the ex narrative moment when walcott scores the winner against the arse and wenger explodes.

Negatives
Expensive wages
Age (not too bad but you know)
Injury record
Looks a bit like Lewis Hamilton
Reminds me a bit of Lewis Hamilton
I donít like Lewis Hamilton
Doubt we can sell him on unless we get a mad China offer 🇨🇳
Potentially horrible flop
Looks like his arse has gone
Feel like heís probably a bit of a boring slug
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: ally2 on January 17, 2018, 06:18:30 AM
Slightly concerned that he will have more onus on him to create and score in a team with so little other attacking quality. He'll be one of our main threats whereas at Arsenal the opposition would have to worry about all areas of the pitch. I think that lack of attacking balance may be why we have suffered so much from the full back situation this season. He does know pressure and expectation though, so hopefully he can do the job.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on January 17, 2018, 08:05:31 AM
Can we keep Wayne out of his ficking way..
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Shogun on January 17, 2018, 09:32:37 AM
Says more about me than him but I donít really know what kinds of goals he scores. Has anyone got a boss highlight video to whet the old appetite?

Positives :

Fast
Knows the prem
Can score
Can assist
Can be direct
Generally better than what we have in general
Tactically flexibility - RW/LW/ST
Has scored in big, clutch moments
Big club experience
European experience
4-4-2 RWíers who score are extremely rare and generally expensive
Potential fun return of the ex narrative moment when walcott scores the winner against the arse and wenger explodes.

Negatives
Expensive wages
Age (not too bad but you know)
Injury record
Looks a bit like Lewis Hamilton
Reminds me a bit of Lewis Hamilton
I donít like Lewis Hamilton
Doubt we can sell him on unless we get a mad China offer 🇨🇳
Potentially horrible flop
Looks like his arse has gone
Feel like heís probably a bit of a boring slug


Kopite
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Waltzer on January 17, 2018, 01:00:08 PM
I think its a great signing, we now have is a bit more creativity, pace and goal threat, allowing us to push the opposition back, they arent going to have free players as we have no attacking threat, they're actually going to have to think about the threats we have and pick them up, this will hopefully free up more space in the central areas.
There have been games when the opposition are happy to go 1 on 1 or 2 v 1 against the likes of DCL and Niasse as you know they wont really hurt you, your not going to do that with our front line now
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: boothill on January 17, 2018, 01:18:12 PM
i think its great, cant wait for him and coleman to be giving left backs a new arsehole
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Trublue on January 17, 2018, 01:29:54 PM
any player signing with big Sam here will not get a go from some on here

True, like him or not Sam is the manager.  To be honest January is a difficult market to deal in. I'm quite excited to get Walcott, no he isn't a world class player, but loads of premier experience with international and Champions league games too.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: brap2 on January 17, 2018, 01:35:41 PM
Kopite

Shall we put that down twice, or perhaps in bold?
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Mick 1995 on January 17, 2018, 02:12:16 PM
He comes in last summer and Koeman is still in a job i reckon.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Audrey Horne on January 17, 2018, 02:21:27 PM
https://twitter.com/SkySportsNews/status/953541156440338432
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Rodenplav64 on January 17, 2018, 02:35:16 PM
If he can register a shot on target in any of the 10-15 games a season he will play in then he is worth it . There is a good player in there but I thought that about Schneiderlin , Sigurdsson , Klassen , Sandro , Vlasic , Lookman ....................... we are just not delivering as a team and don't seem to be able to get anywhere near finishing the jigsaw . Big worry is we only had to beat Southampton to his signature .
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Simon Paul on January 17, 2018, 02:46:04 PM
Blue Moon have got a 4250+ page thread for Alexis Sanchez not signing for them.


Blue Moon are lucky bastards though

Two takeovers from growing football cultures right when forums were at their height

And Mica Richards used to post the team news on there too
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Rodenplav64 on January 17, 2018, 02:51:53 PM
Certainly didn’t mean to like that, why such fucking negativity before the guy has even kicked a ball !
It must be horrible to have such a negative outloook, try a little positive thinking instead of raking up negative stats that have no bearing on the future.

As positive as those who thought Sandro would bag us 20 a season . Its an opinion and he is entitled to it like you are so why argue with everyone who doesn't agree with you . Try just ignoring comments you don't like instead .
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: ajax_andy on January 17, 2018, 03:01:25 PM
Tosun & Walcott have improved our first team quality massively, regardless of whether everyone is onboard with the latter there's no doubting we are considerably more of an attacking threat than before the window opened.

If we can bring in a left back too this has to surely be the best Jan window we've ever had.

Kudos to the board who have got 2 first team players in for relatively low transfer fees during a window where there's never usually any value.

They've got a lot wrong recently and received a lot of criticism for it, so deserve some praise for their work so far this window (please get an LB though!)
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Escla on January 17, 2018, 03:33:29 PM
As positive as those who thought Sandro would bag us 20 a season . Its an opinion and he is entitled to it like you are so why argue with everyone who doesn't agree with you . Try just ignoring comments you don't like instead .
Youíre right, we are both entitled to an opinion, heís expressed his, ive expressed mine, thatís all.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: brap2 on January 17, 2018, 03:34:05 PM
He doesnít NOT improve us, and i expect Lennon, Niasse, Sandro 🙁, and Klaassen 🙁 to go shortly.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Mick 1995 on January 17, 2018, 03:59:44 PM
He doesnít NOT improve us, and i expect Lennon, Niasse, Sandro 🙁, and Klaassen 🙁 to go shortly.

I think it's hard to argue that he will be anything other than the best player in our squad.

Any of them 4 going wouldn't be noticed. But i'd keep hold of Klaassen of at all possible. In the right system i think he could be a top player. Especially in cups or Europe (if we ever make it back into it)

Allardyce mentioned it was one-out, one-in after Tosun and that he wanted to trim the squad. Mirallas out, Walcott in. Niasse/Lennon/Sandro out and a left back in would do me fine.
In fact, i'd think it was a really productive window.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Ramjam on January 17, 2018, 04:10:22 PM
Did someone say earlier in the week that Swansea was interested in Klaassen?
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Rodenplav64 on January 17, 2018, 05:04:59 PM
You’re right, we are both entitled to an opinion, he’s expressed his, ive expressed mine, that’s all.

Maybe you should have just given yours then without having a go at his perceived negativity . For me Walcott has coasted his career and yes he has undoubted ability . Ian Wright thinks along those lines as an out and out Arsenal fan . I just struggle to see a player like Walcott getting a new lease of life and busting a gut . Pairing him with such an ineffective and inconsistent player as Bolasie for me is not wise given how poor we are out of possession . I am not sure how creative Walcott is as to be honest , interest wise , he rarely starts and he just passes me by along with Arsenal . Can he provide the ammunition Tosun will need if he is not to look as hopeless as Sandro has when he has had a chance ? If he does then for the price someone with his reputation ( all he has at times ) then he is doubtless a potentially very good buy . Despite everyone saying this is the worse squad we have ever had I am just not having that on paper we have some excellent players and some very promising youngsters . If only we had the right Manager for long term development .
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Lxxx on January 17, 2018, 05:09:29 PM
I guess we'll soon enough won't we.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Mick 1995 on January 17, 2018, 05:18:15 PM
Despite everyone saying this is the worse squad we have ever had I am just not having that on paper we have some excellent players and some very promising youngsters . If only we had the right Manager for long term development .

Think there is a semantics issue there. When i see people like you saying stuff like this:
There is a good player in there but I thought that about Schneiderlin , Sigurdsson , Klassen , Sandro , Vlasic , Lookman ....................... we are just not delivering as a team and don't seem to be able to get anywhere near finishing the jigsaw .

Then it's easy to assume it means people think our squad is shit.
But all of those players *are* really good. Every one of them is a really bright talent.

But any questions as to why they are not playing well has to lead towards the managers and that get's shot down as being wrong.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Escla on January 17, 2018, 05:24:05 PM
Maybe you should have just given yours then without having a go at his perceived negativity . For me Walcott has coasted his career and yes he has undoubted ability . Ian Wright thinks along those lines as an out and out Arsenal fan . I just struggle to see a player like Walcott getting a new lease of life and busting a gut . Pairing him with such an ineffective and inconsistent player as Bolasie for me is not wise given how poor we are out of possession . I am not sure how creative Walcott is as to be honest , interest wise , he rarely starts and he just passes me by along with Arsenal . Can he provide the ammunition Tosun will need if he is not to look as hopeless as Sandro has when he has had a chance ? If he does then for the price someone with his reputation ( all he has at times ) then he is doubtless a potentially very good buy . Despite everyone saying this is the worse squad we have ever had I am just not having that on paper we have some excellent players and some very promising youngsters . If only we had the right Manager for long term development .

Respect your view and as Lxxx says, time will tell, donít think thereís really any merit in making any comparison with Sandro, dropped into a mismanaged squad straight from a minor Spanish club compared to a player with 12 years Premiership experience. Was maybe a bit harsh with my original comment but negativity wasnít ďperceivedĒ it was quite real and I just donít get how sometimes we condemn players before they have been given a chance.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Rodenplav64 on January 17, 2018, 05:24:44 PM
Think there is a semantics issue there. When i see people like you saying stuff like this:
Then it's easy to assume it means people think our squad is shit.
But all of those players *are* really good. Every one of them is a really bright talent.

But any questions as to why they are not playing well has to lead towards the managers and that get's shot down as being wrong.

I thought right from day one that Koeman was pretty clueless and had no tactics in mind . We looked like headless chickens and under him Messi would have looked shite . Allardyce has tactics and no one argues that . They are negative and after 5 or 6 shit performances the solution was to be more negative . To me again it doesn't matter about the players if the tactics and mind set are wrong . You rely on moments of brilliance and they have been few and far between this season . Walcott has scoring ability but not if he is 2 feet from his own area for most of the game .
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Ridge on January 17, 2018, 05:25:55 PM
This made me chuckle, not sure the 2 reasons are carrying equal weight.

Quote from: Sky Sports
Sky Sports News understands that the Merseyside club's spending power and Walcott's desire to work with Allardyce are the key reasons for his decision to head to the north-west.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Mick 1995 on January 17, 2018, 05:26:21 PM
yeah, i don't buy the "worst squad in ages" thinking.

I do buy the "worst footballing philosophy in ages" though
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: formerKHL on January 17, 2018, 05:26:48 PM
don't know whether it's already been said in this thread....not read through it all..

but why does it take everton so long to get a signing done ?

with regards to the Walcott "argument"  is he/isn't he....he's hardly played etc...

my first worry is his injury record....
I have no worries however about his undoubted ability.....his goal record is good for an arsenal team where "he couldn't get in the team" to coin a phrase posted on here...couple his injury record with the players who got above him in the pecking order, because of his injury record....and for me there's the answer....

so keep him injury free and we've got ourselves an class player...imo
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Rodenplav64 on January 17, 2018, 05:27:11 PM
I guess we'll soon enough won't we.

That will be the clubs motto soon as the old one has no merit these days .
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: sam of the south on January 17, 2018, 05:56:45 PM
I guess we'll soon enough won't we.

That depends on what you mean by 'soon'.

Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on January 17, 2018, 06:10:39 PM
Makes you wonder where we would have been now, if we would have had a forward line-up of Tosun and Walcott from the first game. I'd guess around 10 points better off and fighting with Arsenal for 6th, not currently 7 points off relegation.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: formerKHL on January 17, 2018, 06:19:50 PM
Makes you wonder where we would have been now, if we would have had a forward line-up of Tosun and Walcott from the first game. I'd guess around 10 points better off and fighting with Arsenal for 6th, not currently 7 points off relegation.


or 7 points of 7th ?...glass half full...
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Macca77 on January 17, 2018, 06:31:13 PM
Fee agreed days ago, personal terms agreed and medical passed yesterday afternoon and yet still no official announcement
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Lincs Toffee on January 17, 2018, 06:33:00 PM
Fee agreed days ago, personal terms agreed and medical passed yesterday afternoon and yet still no official announcement

Probably pulled his hammy while walking up the stairs doing the welcome video and now we are trying to back out of the deal.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Rodenplav64 on January 17, 2018, 06:38:46 PM
Makes you wonder where we would have been now, if we would have had a forward line-up of Tosun and Walcott from the first game. I'd guess around 10 points better off and fighting with Arsenal for 6th, not currently 7 points off relegation.

Give them a chance to play before you start making predictions of where we would have been . Before the season started we were going to be in 4th by now according to some .
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: GLewis on January 17, 2018, 06:44:38 PM
Fee agreed days ago, personal terms agreed and medical passed yesterday afternoon and yet still no official announcement


Itís all the videos and interviews they like to do to put out straight away.

Surely people are more bothered about the announcement and can wait 24 hrs for an interview etc?!
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: mikey_blue on January 17, 2018, 06:53:58 PM
Fee agreed days ago, personal terms agreed and medical passed yesterday afternoon and yet still no official announcement


Waiting for some good lighting to film the video.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: School of Science on January 17, 2018, 07:04:50 PM
Itís all the videos and interviews they like to do to put out straight away.

Surely people are more bothered about the announcement and can wait 24 hrs for an interview etc?!

As long as he's available for the next game yes.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: TSGun on January 17, 2018, 07:07:15 PM
Waiting for some good lighting to film the video.
Nah, they're waiting for halftime in the game Saturday.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Macca77 on January 17, 2018, 07:39:56 PM
Press conference about to start with Allardyce and Tosun, it would be very Everton to announce Walcott during it
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: brap2 on January 17, 2018, 08:23:09 PM
yeah, i don't buy the "worst squad in ages" thinking.

I do buy the "worst footballing philosophy in ages" though

One of the slowest back fours in the prem due to injuries and bad planning

Only two left footed players in the squad both dreadfully injured

No recognised left back in the squad despite Baines age and injuries and form

3 of our backline are now 30+ And it is showing badly in injuries and form

Worst striking options in the Prem bar none up until last week.

Glaring gaps in midfield, both defensive and attacking abilities

Relying on teenagers week in week out

Back up goalies absolutely shite

Distinct lack of chance creators from open play and it is showing.

I mean, weíve had SOME of these problems before, but never all at once.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Mick 1995 on January 17, 2018, 08:37:05 PM
One of the slowest back fours in the prem due to injuries and bad planning
Coleman, Keane, Jags/Williams, Baines is not even close to the worst back 4 we have had in living memory.
We've had to play tony Hibbert as centre half before today.

Only two left footed players in the squad both dreadfully injured

Outside of the left back position i'm not having that as some kind of marker to be honest

No recognised left back in the squad despite Baines age and injuries and form
I'm sure i remember a time when both Pistone and Naysmith were injured.

3 of our backline are now 30+ And it is showing badly in injuries and form

more than 3 of our defenders are less than 30. Gough, Weir and Stubbs were all over 30 at the same time.

Worst striking options in the Prem bar none up until last week.
As an Evertonian, dont dare come at me with a stat like this? You genuinely think this is the worst attacking line up we've fielded?
Do you remember Steve Watson playing up front? (granted, he scored a hattrick like. But fuck me)

Glaring gaps in midfield, both defensive and attacking abilities
Defensively? You mean like Gueye who people were rating as a second tier Kante 18 months ago? Schneiderlin who was our best player when he came in?
Offensively? You mean like our record signing who tore up trees in the prem for years and a clutch of really bright kids?

Relying on teenagers week in week out
"you win nothing with kids"

Back up goalies absolutely shite

good job backup keepers are only needed every few years. There have been looong periods where our first choice kepper has been absolutely shite.

Distinct lack of chance creators from open play and it is showing.
I think you're conflating my two actual points here.

I mean, weíve had SOME of these problems before, but never all at once.
No, we've had them all and worse at times.



We still have a squad much, much stronger than at nearly any point in the premier league. (because squads as an entity didn't exist before that then you could say it's amongst the best ever).

OK, the team itself has been a bit lopsided. but you've definitely fell into the trap of thinking shit performance/tactics equals shit players.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: brap2 on January 17, 2018, 08:48:31 PM
One of the slowest back fours in the prem due to injuries and bad planning
Coleman, Keane, Jags/Williams, Baines is not even close to the worst back 4 we have had in living memory.
We've had to play tony Hibbert as centre half before today.


Slowest

Only two left footed players in the squad both dreadfully injured

Outside of the left back position i'm not having that as some kind of marker to be honest

A sign of imbalance imo but fair enough I wonít argue too much.

No recognised left back in the squad despite Baines age and injuries and form
I'm sure i remember a time when both Pistone and Naysmith were injured.

Right and who filled in? But if it are going back to 2000-2007 itís still 10-11 years mate


3 of our backline are now 30+ And it is showing badly in injuries and form

more than 3 of our defenders are less than 30. Gough, Weir and Stubbs were all over 30 at the same time.

Different era altogether, if you are slow you are going to get punished. Massive investment needed. Again how far are you going back here??

Worst striking options in the Prem bar none up until last week.

As an Evertonian, dont dare come at me with a stat like this? You genuinely think this is the worst attacking line up we've fielded?
Do you remember Steve Watson playing up front? (granted, he scored a hattrick like. But fuck me)

I mean in the current prem. that Everton side was worse. 2003. And yeah, I would have 18 year old rooney or an aging Ferguson/Campbell over Niasse and DCL.

2003 lad.


Glaring gaps in midfield, both defensive and attacking abilities

Defensively? You mean like Gueye who people were rating as a second tier Kante 18 months ago? Schneiderlin who was our best player when he came in?
Offensively? You mean like our record signing who tore up trees in the prem for years and a clutch of really bright kids?

You are right we are solid as a rock and creating so many chances for our strikers I cant believe my eyes.

I said glaring gaps, not every single player is shite at every single thing.

Relying on teenagers week in week out
"you win nothing with kids"

ďYou win nothing with average kidsĒ


Back up goalies absolutely shite


good job backup keepers are only needed every few years. There have been looong periods where our first choice kepper has been absolutely shite.

Sound ok

Distinct lack of chance creators from open play and it is showing.
I think you're conflating my two actual points here.

Apologies if I am. Iím talking about squad weaknesses and thatís one of them.

I mean, weíve had SOME of these problems before, but never all at once.

No, we've had them all and worse at times.

So weíre not as bad as were 15 years ago when we nearly went down.

Great news everyone.



We still have a squad much, much stronger than at nearly any point in the premier league. (because squads as an entity didn't exist before that then you could say it's amongst the best ever).

OK, the team itself has been a bit lopsided. but you've definitely fell into the trap of thinking shit performance/tactics equals shit players.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Mick 1995 on January 17, 2018, 08:55:18 PM
I dont think 15-20 years is ages.
I don't think this is the worst squad we have had either side of that time period.
I think you are confusing managers initiating shit football with players being shit.

There is not a squad in world football that would do well if they took to the field with the instructions these guys seem to be getting given.
It was criminal not to bring a striker in during the summer yeah. The left back position needs sorting out as well.
but those things do not make this a bad squad.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: brap2 on January 17, 2018, 09:00:46 PM
I dont think 15-20 years is ages.
I don't think this is the worst squad we have had either side of that time period.
I think you are confusing managers initiating shit football with players being shit.

There is not a squad in world football that would do well if they took to the field with the instructions these guys seem to be getting given.
It was criminal not to bring a striker in during the summer yeah. The left back position needs sorting out as well.
but those things do not make this a bad squad.

Totally agree that tactically we are a mess, but have to agree to disagree re:squad quality over 15 years. Thatís a long time to go back to say ĎEy we were worse then?í Madness to me that.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: dax78 on January 17, 2018, 09:13:31 PM
So........................... ................has he signed yet
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Mick 1995 on January 17, 2018, 09:16:15 PM
Totally agree that tactically we are a mess, but have to agree to disagree re:squad quality over 15 years. Thatís a long time to go back to say ĎEy we were worse then?í Madness to me that.

it all depends on the word ages though doesn't it?

I said it's not the worst squad we've had in ages. I stand by that.
It just seems we differ as to what an age is  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: eugene on January 17, 2018, 09:17:33 PM
So...........................................has he signed yet
Ffs donít ask that mate got a smart arse IT guy on here will direct you to GOOGLE however just read that Cenk has said he has,
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: School of Science on January 17, 2018, 09:30:03 PM
Ffs donít ask that mate got a smart arse IT guy on here will direct you to GOOGLE however just read that Cenk has said he has,

Cenk got it off Google mate.....
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Mick 1995 on January 17, 2018, 09:54:30 PM
https://twitter.com/ODDSbible/status/953254197192949760
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Ridge on January 17, 2018, 10:05:46 PM
I think squad quality is very high, the problem is the team quality. The sums of our parts is fuck all, they are all good cogs just none of them fit together.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: brap2 on January 17, 2018, 10:08:04 PM
it all depends on the word ages though doesn't it?

I said it's not the worst squad we've had in ages. I stand by that.
It just seems we differ as to what an age is  :thumbsup:

No worries, Iím potentially going overboard again anyway...it has been known.

Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: Major Clanger on January 17, 2018, 10:25:55 PM
I think squad quality is very high, the problem is the team quality. The sums of our parts is fuck all, they are all good cogs just none of them fit together.

Yes, the balance of the squad (or rather, the complete lack of it) is also part of the equation for overall squad quality. So you can't just compare players from this squad and another one and say, look, we've got better players because it's all worth fuck all if all your players happen to be goalkeepers.

My biggest problem with the current squad is that I don't see any kind of vision or direction. We're signing players on an ad hoc basis, whereas under Moyes and Martinez we had some kind of idea what their vision was, even if we may not have liked that vision.
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: pjk on January 17, 2018, 10:33:02 PM
A 3.5-year deal seems pretty short for a 20 million plus player. Maybe there's a year option at the end of it. It looks all done and dusted then! I think he's a top signing. :)



https://twitter.com/bbcsport_david/status/953664281140236289
Title: Re: Theo Walcott
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 17, 2018, 11:08:35 PM
Think as a stand alone transfer it's a pretty good 1. Gives us pace, goals and a little more balance and 20m is cheap these days

I think opposition to it including my own is more the theme of this alongside rooney, Sigurdsson, Morgan etc. Rather than any of them individuallly.