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Title: [News]Allardyce wants dull Everton to become more boring
Post by: Everton News on January 14, 2018, 03:33:51 AM
Allardyce wants dull Everton to become more boring

Everton boss Sam Allardyce says he wants the Blues to be more boring than having zero shots on target and touching the ball 8 times in the opposition penalty box.

Source: Allardyce wants dull Everton to become more boring (https://www.nsno.co.uk/everton-news/2018/01/allardyce-wants-dull-everton-become-boring/)
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Post by: Bob Sacamano on January 14, 2018, 03:41:59 AM
Good luck with that.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce wants dull Everton to become more boring
Post by: Simon Paul on January 14, 2018, 03:42:37 AM
Good luck with that.

I reckon he'll manage it you know
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce wants dull Everton to become more boring
Post by: Juanito on January 14, 2018, 03:48:33 AM
How anyone can defend this crooked, prehistoric, dour, stale dinasour is beyond me. How we can pay such a limited no mark 6 million highlights what this club has become. I miss the Kenwright/Moyes years.  We didnít have money but what we were a respectable, hard working club. Now we look like QPR when they were in the premiership, soulless.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce wants dull Everton to become more boring
Post by: blue slug on January 14, 2018, 03:54:02 AM
A bit of a shit comment, he does realise you have to have shots on target to enable us to achieve a goal and therefore getting a victory
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce wants dull Everton to become more boring
Post by: BlueWool on January 14, 2018, 03:55:38 AM
Inspiring stuff.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce wants dull Everton to become more boring
Post by: Risky on January 14, 2018, 04:01:58 AM
I actually think this headline misses the worse part for me, which is that he's already resorted to blaming the players just like he's always done in the past.  Obviously the players aren't blameless, but here's a manager who's infamous for taking the credit himself after a good result and throwing his players under the bus after a bad one.  Looks like we're seeing it already.

#terribletimes
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce wants dull Everton to become more boring
Post by: Simon Paul on January 14, 2018, 04:03:46 AM
Pointing at others is the first way to distract from your own shortcomings
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce wants dull Everton to become more boring
Post by: Juanito on January 14, 2018, 04:08:46 AM
I actually think this headline misses the worse part for me, which is that he's already resorted to blaming the players just like he's always done in the past.  Obviously the players aren't blameless, but here's a manager who's infamous for taking the credit himself after a good result and throwing his players under the bus after a bad one.  Looks like we're seeing it already.

#terribletimes

This must do wonders for team morale and spirit.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce wants dull Everton to become more boring
Post by: Risky on January 14, 2018, 04:14:00 AM
This must do wonders for team morale and spirit.

Yep.  It's basically a cunt's trick.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce wants dull Everton to become more boring
Post by: ally2 on January 14, 2018, 04:17:42 AM
Wish we could go back to the days when we were playing good stuff and winning all the time.  Y'know - wasn't long ago was it?  Oh wait a minute let's blame someone who's been here a month. 

I hope he stays.
I hope he bores the fuck out of everyone.
I hope you lads absolutely hate it.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce wants dull Everton to become more boring
Post by: Simon Paul on January 14, 2018, 04:19:55 AM
Wish we could go back to the days when we were playing good stuff and winning all the time.  Y'know - wasn't long ago was it?  Oh wait a minute let's blame someone who's been here a month. 

I hope he stays.
I hope he bores the fuck out of everyone.
I hope you lads absolutely hate it.

Be great for the club moving into a new stadium and failing to sell tickets wouldn't it?

Not like the business model depends on selling a certain amount of tickets each season is it?

Those of us who have been commenting on Everton for a number of years know that when the football is good, ticket sales are higher than when it's not.

Imagine if Allardyce made our stadium completely unfeasible.

Bet you'd love that as well.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce wants dull Everton to become more boring
Post by: Risky on January 14, 2018, 04:20:11 AM
Wish we could go back to the days when we were playing good stuff and winning all the time.  Y'know - wasn't long ago was it?  Oh wait a minute let's blame someone who's been here a month. 

I hope he stays.
I hope he bores the fuck out of everyone.
I hope you lads absolutely hate it.

We've gone backwards in many ways, that's why people are fucked off.  He's also got a proven record of not being that good, again which is why many of us didn't want him.

As for the last 3 sentences, you've got very strange priorities when it comes to Everton.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce wants dull Everton to become more boring
Post by: ally2 on January 14, 2018, 04:22:37 AM
Be great for the club moving into a new stadium and failing to sell tickets wouldn't it?

Not like the business model depends on selling a certain amount of tickets each season is it?

Those of us who have been commenting on Everton for a number of years know that when the football is good, ticket sales are higher than when it's not.

Imagine if Allardyce made our stadium completely unfeasible.

Bet you'd love that as well.

If it rooted out the wimps and cry baby fans then yeah I'd be all for it.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce wants dull Everton to become more boring
Post by: Simon Paul on January 14, 2018, 04:24:49 AM
If it rooted out the wimps and cry baby fans then yeah I'd be all for it.

Hahahahahahahahahahaha!!!

Fucking hell!!

Hahahahahahahahahahaha!

Get on you!

Hahahahahahahahahahaha ha!
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce wants dull Everton to become more boring
Post by: ally2 on January 14, 2018, 04:31:43 AM
Hahahahahahahahahahaha!!!

Fucking hell!!

Hahahahahahahahahahaha!

Get on you!

Hahahahahahahahahahaha ha!

We're not a big club any more Si.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce wants dull Everton to become more boring
Post by: Simon Paul on January 14, 2018, 04:42:03 AM
We're not a big club any more Si.

So turning fans off from paying to go the game is an even worse idea then isn't it

Being a big club has nothing to do with entertaining the fans
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce wants dull Everton to become more boring
Post by: Ell Capitan on January 14, 2018, 04:48:14 AM
I actually think this headline misses the worse part for me, which is that he's already resorted to blaming the players just like he's always done in the past.  Obviously the players aren't blameless, but here's a manager who's infamous for taking the credit himself after a good result and throwing his players under the bus after a bad one.  Looks like we're seeing it already.

#terribletimes

Heís not wrong is he though. We clearly did throw in the towel the minute that second goal went in.

It was the first time we played like that, with a total lack of effort or belief, since he arrived.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce wants dull Everton to become more boring
Post by: Risky on January 14, 2018, 04:52:41 AM
Heís not wrong is he though. We clearly did throw in the towel the minute that second goal went in.

It was the first time we played like that, with a total lack of effort or belief, since he arrived.

It's not whether he's right or wrong that's the issue though.  He's ultimately responsible, and calling out the players publicly like that rarely ends well and is rarely the sign of someone who's a good leader.

And also as right as he was about the players, you can kind of understand it in as much as it was certainly the exact same reaction I had when we went 2-0 down - at that point it was clear there was little point in competing any more.  Of course professional footballers shouldn't react that way, but sometimes they do and I can kind of understand the hopelessness they probably felt at that point.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce wants dull Everton to become more boring
Post by: Alanvideo on January 14, 2018, 04:53:29 AM
He’s not wrong is he though. We clearly did throw in the towel the minute that second goal went in.

It was the first time we played like that, with a total lack of effort or belief, since he arrived.
..................which is more or less what Sam said in his post-match. The manager isn't blameless but then neither are the players. We may as well not have come out for the second half.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce wants dull Everton to become more boring
Post by: GLewis on January 14, 2018, 04:54:43 AM
Heís not wrong is he though. We clearly did throw in the towel the minute that second goal went in.

It was the first time we played like that, with a total lack of effort or belief, since he arrived.

What I would say is that if itís accepted that you canít score 2 goals in a game then itís easier for players to give up.

One thing keeping it tight, but you need to give players the belief that theyíll actually be able to score.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce wants dull Everton to become more boring
Post by: bogie on January 14, 2018, 04:55:48 AM
We've gone backwards in many ways, that's why people are fucked off.  He's also got a proven record of not being that good, again which is why many of us didn't want him.

As for the last 3 sentences, you've got very strange priorities when it comes to Everton.

WANT and NEED for the love of god stop it with this crap we were in NEED and still are Sam is getting told we need to play a better style of football (attacking ) now you can think its Sam that cant get them attacking players in are team playing well all you want but you only blowing the smoke up your own ass
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce wants dull Everton to become more boring
Post by: bogie on January 14, 2018, 04:56:26 AM
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Title: Re: [News]Allardyce wants dull Everton to become more boring
Post by: Ell Capitan on January 14, 2018, 04:58:10 AM
It's not whether he's right or wrong that's the issue though.  He's ultimately responsible, and calling out the players publicly like that rarely ends well and is rarely the sign of someone who's a good leader.

And also as right as he was about the players, you can kind of understand it in as much as it was certainly the exact same reaction I had when we went 2-0 down - at that point it was clear there was little point in competing any more.  Of course professional footballers shouldn't react that way, but sometimes they do and I can kind of understand the hopelessness they probably felt at that point.

Well some managers blame players and others donít. I dont think itís proven one way or another what is more effective. If it was as black and white as you say then no decent manager would ever blame the players, ever. Also itís not like heís singled anyone out which (in my opinion) is worse for that player.

Regarding throwing in the towel at 2-0, fuck that. Thereís always a point in competing. Yeah I wouldíve put our chance of getting anything out that game at about 3% at that point, but it only takes one goal to make a game of it. It wasnít acceptable.

Title: Re: [News]Allardyce wants dull Everton to become more boring
Post by: Risky on January 14, 2018, 04:59:58 AM
WANT and NEED for the love of god stop it with this crap we were in NEED and still are Sam is getting told we need to play a better style of football (attacking ) now you can think its Sam that cant get them attacking players in are team playing well all you want but you only blowing the smoke up your own ass

We were in NEED, we just didn't NEED Sam Allardyce.  Why is it so hard for people to separate those points?
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce wants dull Everton to become more boring
Post by: ally2 on January 14, 2018, 05:01:25 AM
So turning fans off from paying to go the game is an even worse idea then isn't it

Being a big club has nothing to do with entertaining the fans

Nailed it. It's that sense of entitlement which is the problem. And that is in the context of what had gone before. If this was 1991 then I'd understand it. But this is the equivalent of a toddler having a tantrum. "Entertain me!".

If he feels we need to be pragmatic then so be it. We didn't actually sit back that deep today. The main problem was that spurs were significantly better in personnel in every single position on the field. But you would rather spin it as Allardyce being typical Allardyce seeing us up to fail etc etc.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce wants dull Everton to become more boring
Post by: Risky on January 14, 2018, 05:03:15 AM
Well some managers blame players and others donít. I dont think itís proven one way or another what is more effective. If it was as black and white as you say then no decent manager would ever blame the players, ever. Also itís not like heís singled anyone out which (in my opinion) is worse for that player.

Regarding throwing in the towel at 2-0, fuck that. Thereís always a point in competing. Yeah I wouldíve put our chance of getting anything out that game at about 3% at that point, but it only takes one goal to make a game of it. It wasnít acceptable.



For me it's the fact that this is one of the things I always disliked him for, and now I see it happening at Everton I really don't like it.  It's ok to criticise the players to a degree but if you look at the way he's done it over his career then he clearly used it as an excuse to often.  It's the fact he will credit himself when things go well which grates.

I don't disagree regarding the chucking in the towel bit, of course it's wrong for the players to do that.  I just want that situation managed well and in a positive manner, and I don't trust him to do that.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce wants dull Everton to become more boring
Post by: bogie on January 14, 2018, 05:13:32 AM
We were in NEED, we just didn't NEED Sam Allardyce.  Why is it so hard for people to separate those points?

out of all the managers we were in for really only 2 were a sure thing for keeping us up that was how bad this team was/is
Sam Allardyce and David Moyes I for one would of had Moyes back in a heart beat after the crap I have seen going on at this club over the last few years
but they were the only 2 sure things
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce wants dull Everton to become more boring
Post by: Juanito on January 14, 2018, 05:18:13 AM
I actually think this headline misses the worse part for me, which is that he's already resorted to blaming the players just like he's always done in the past.  Obviously the players aren't blameless, but here's a manager who's infamous for taking the credit himself after a good result and throwing his players under the bus after a bad one.  Looks like we're seeing it already.

#terribletimes

He really gets under my skin every time he speaks and never seems to say he has done a thing wrong, yet we have seen our worst attacking play probably in our history. I think he is a narcissist.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce wants dull Everton to become more boring
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on January 14, 2018, 05:26:23 AM
Well some managers blame players and others donít. I dont think itís proven one way or another what is more effective. If it was as black and white as you say then no decent manager would ever blame the players, ever. Also itís not like heís singled anyone out which (in my opinion) is worse for that player.

Regarding throwing in the towel at 2-0, fuck that. Thereís always a point in competing. Yeah I wouldíve put our chance of getting anything out that game at about 3% at that point, but it only takes one goal to make a game of it. It wasnít acceptable.



Over the past five season's are players have been praised when it was going good- and praised by bobby when we were shite-  they have been bollocked when they have been shite.

at the beginning we all loved it when Koeman told it how it was after years of Bobby telling us how phenominal we were.
both lost the dressing room apparently - and eventually the players did not believe in what he was trying to acomplish.

do the players really believe in Sam only time will tell  -  as this lot recently as we all know can turn it off like a switch
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Post by: Thomas on January 14, 2018, 05:28:33 AM
Now we look like QPR when they were in the premiership, soulless.

I said this earlier. Flashing the cash and going down down.

The problem is we should be counter attacking, not playing defensive.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce wants dull Everton to become more boring
Post by: Simon Paul on January 14, 2018, 05:31:10 AM
Nailed it. It's that sense of entitlement which is the problem. And that is in the context of what had gone before. If this was 1991 then I'd understand it. But this is the equivalent of a toddler having a tantrum. "Entertain me!".

If he feels we need to be pragmatic then so be it. We didn't actually sit back that deep today. The main problem was that spurs were significantly better in personnel in every single position on the field. But you would rather spin it as Allardyce being typical Allardyce seeing us up to fail etc etc.

 It's not entitlement. It's fact. I'm quite happy going the match and talking to my mates about work or shouting abuse at the away fans. The football doesn't need to entertain me personally, but it does need to entertain supporters as a whole in order to remain financially viable

Whether you like that or not, football clubs need to keep selling tickets and the majority of supporters need to be entertained to keep buying them

If that makes those fans "wimps" then tough shit, because it's those "wimps" who subsidise your ticket by actually going the game with you
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce wants dull Everton to become more boring
Post by: Thomas on January 14, 2018, 05:41:05 AM
I actually think this headline misses the worse part for me, which is that he's already resorted to blaming the players just like he's always done in the past.  Obviously the players aren't blameless, but here's a manager who's infamous for taking the credit himself after a good result and throwing his players under the bus after a bad one.  Looks like we're seeing it already.

#terribletimes

He was appointed as our prototype to Joe Royle. Unfortunately he is more a Walter Smith.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce wants dull Everton to become more boring
Post by: ally2 on January 14, 2018, 06:01:27 AM
It's not entitlement. It's fact. I'm quite happy going the match and talking to my mates about work or shouting abuse at the away fans. The football doesn't need to entertain me personally, but it does need to entertain supporters as a whole in order to remain financially viable

Whether you like that or not, football clubs need to keep selling tickets and the majority of supporters need to be entertained to keep buying them

If that makes those fans "wimps" then tough shit, because it's those "wimps" who subsidise your ticket by actually going the game with you

When I said "wimps", I was attacking the prevailing mentality of fans who give up the moment things aren't going well. That's the time when you need to stick together. I think it was Brownie's analogy (or maybe not) about who you'd want next to you 'in the trenches' as the old saying goes. Some people are so feeble.

We've lost some football games and aren't playing very well.  Most teams don't play good football. Most teams don't win. I want us to do both. Of course I do. But how you can pin that on a manager who's only been here a month and has only bought one player is ridiculous.

You're big on fan engagement. So should the fans be engaged on every managerial appointment until we are all happy?  Because that's the problem here. Most people didn't want Allardyce. That was me too but the way. Some of us have got over it and realise that it's important to pull together and show some patience. Others keep banging on about every week (every day actually) with no actual aim other than just to moan and agree with others that think like them.

Title: Re: [News]Allardyce wants dull Everton to become more boring
Post by: toffee_scot on January 14, 2018, 06:21:14 AM
Allardyce wants dull Everton to become more boring

If that's the route then we might as well replace Z Cars with Brahm's Lullaby on matchdays.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce wants dull Everton to become more boring
Post by: bogie on January 14, 2018, 06:23:37 AM
I said this earlier. Flashing the cash and going down down.

The problem is we should be counter attacking, not playing defensive.

PACE
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce wants dull Everton to become more boring
Post by: Ross on January 14, 2018, 06:30:28 AM
If that's the route then we might as well replace Z Cars with Brahm's Lullaby on matchdays.

More like the last post.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce wants dull Everton to become more boring
Post by: Ramjam on January 14, 2018, 06:47:27 AM
More like the last post.

Donít bring me down,
down down down down down
Oh e hoo
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce wants dull Everton to become more boring
Post by: Ravardo on January 14, 2018, 07:07:40 AM
What was left out on that report and is on the echo is sam thinks today we were too attacking :headbang:  :bonk: :wanker: lolol :thumbsup: and thinks  ďI might have a bit of responsibility to take here,Ē  ???
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce wants dull Everton to become more boring
Post by: Ramjam on January 14, 2018, 07:20:25 AM
What was left out on that report and is on the echo is sam thinks today we were too attacking :headbang:  :bonk: :wanker: lolol :thumbsup: and thinks  "I might have a bit of responsibility to take here,Ē  ???

There isnít a manager in the league who takes responsibility for their shortcomings
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce wants dull Everton to become more boring
Post by: Tony Clifton on January 14, 2018, 07:21:16 AM
WANT and NEED for the love of god stop it with this crap we were in NEED and still are Sam is getting told we need to play a better style of football (attacking ) now you can think its Sam that cant get them attacking players in are team playing well all you want but you only blowing the smoke up your own ass

This and...

1

that.

What a time to be alive, eh!
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce wants dull Everton to become more boring
Post by: Mick 1995 on January 14, 2018, 03:21:35 PM
Excellent statement to come out with whilst trying to persuade attacking players into the club.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce wants dull Everton to become more boring
Post by: GLewis on January 14, 2018, 03:26:26 PM
Excellent statement to come out with whilst trying to persuade attacking players into the club.

Well it should be easy for them to get places in the side ;)

Title: Re: [News]Allardyce wants dull Everton to become more boring
Post by: UnsyisaRhino on January 14, 2018, 05:00:04 PM
Martinez gave too much praise and wasnt critical enough, big sam is bring too critical and not taking any of the blame. You cant win!

I actually think allardyce was pretty accurate in his assessment of the players performances, and he even says how its going to be used as a learning experience to move forward.

I dont agree with his tactics and he hasnt and wont always get it right...but there wasnt much wrong with that interview.

I think some people are looking for any excuse to get on his case.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce wants dull Everton to become more boring
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on January 14, 2018, 05:15:25 PM
Sam = short term, draw/win against mid to bottom sides
What we needed/need short term after the shit we got into and how the league has gone this season
Contract = rest of this/nexy year ONLY
Then we need to fuck him, little sam, Walsh, and the rest of the dead wood off good and proper
Future = A Silva or the like to play more attractive players and actually buy established, decent players

Short Term = more of the same shit Im afraid
Mid Term = we WILL start to see positive devolopment
Long Term = very positive imo
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce wants dull Everton to become more boring
Post by: Lxxx on January 14, 2018, 05:17:01 PM
Moshiri read this football dinosaurís autobiography before appointing him.

I donít know who the ire should be directed against to be honest. The uninspiring idiots in charge of football and recruitment or the fool who appointed them?

Title: Re: [News]Allardyce wants dull Everton to become more boring
Post by: therealdunc on January 14, 2018, 05:34:21 PM
Same dinosaur who is a leader in sports science and player analytics?

Bloody hell, heís had barely a month and the haters are angry he hasnít turned Martina into Messi
Title: [News]Allardyce wants dull Everton to become more boring
Post by: ally2 on January 14, 2018, 05:37:59 PM
Same dinosaur who is a leader in sports science and player analytics?

Bloody hell, he's had barely a month and the haters are angry he hasn't turned Martina into Messi

Yeah it's ludicrous isn't it?

Basically there's a vast majority of fans on here who don't like Allardyce and it won't matter what he does or says - they'll use anything to have a pop. Proper school playground stuff.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce wants dull Everton to become more boring
Post by: TheRam on January 14, 2018, 05:44:25 PM
Yeah it's ludicrous isn't it?

Basically there's a vast majority of fans on here who don't like Allardyce and it won't matter what he does or says - they'll use anything to have a pop. Proper school playground stuff.

Who do you hold accountable for our recent performances then?

You're going round spouting shite having constant digs at people for questioning the manager yet you're not offering any a opinion as to who is responsible for the recent inept performances.

Surely you'll agree that when a team doesn't win in six games, failing to have a more than one shot on goal for the majority, the manager has to take the brunt? If not, then I'd like to hear your reasons for absolving that manager of any blame.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce wants dull Everton to become more boring
Post by: Lxxx on January 14, 2018, 05:46:46 PM
Same dinosaur who is a leader in sports science and player analytics?

Bloody hell, heís had barely a month and the haters are angry he hasnít turned Martina into Messi

He might be able to tell me the levels of ascorbate in a players blood plasma for recovery but heís not shown me he can put 11 players on a football pitch with the intention of putting the round thing in the oppositions net.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce wants dull Everton to become more boring
Post by: Confucius on January 14, 2018, 05:47:04 PM
Same dinosaur who is a leader in sports science and player analytics?

Bloody hell, he's had barely a month and the haters are angry he hasn't turned Martina into Messi

10 years ago maybe. Not anymore.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce wants dull Everton to become more boring
Post by: SANA_DR0 on January 14, 2018, 05:55:49 PM
lol at Allerdyce..

im kinda confused.. i;ve tried not to post and be too negative and give him a chance (no i dont like him as a person or rate his managerial skills.. the only team i liked of his was the old bolton team, with Okocha.. anyway)

i dont get why, against West Brom & Bournemouth we where so fucking negative and defensive, playing 3 defensive midfielders against teams who are below us and who we should/could be beating if we played to our strengths.Then against Man Utd and Spurs, we where very open and trying to be attacking, leaving us very open at the back..  and inevitably conceding goals..


why keep it tight v crap teams and then be open against good teams ? makes no sense..
feels like we are Koeman levels now, no style, no passion..

why change the clean sheets up for more attacking, when he plays the wrong players? we have wide players who have been decent and the fans want to see more of them.. but instead plays Bolassi again who loses the ball over and over.. bring him on for the last 20 or 30. why start off with 10 fully fit players (9 really if you count McCarthy)

Sams more of a disgrace than Koeman. really didnt think that was possible after Koeman.

Pisses me of a lot more, knowing if we had had Moyes, we wouldbt be spunking away 8 million on Sam, and we would have had someone who knew the club and would give his all.. hell it even looks that Moyes has improoved over the years.


i wonder if we can be like real QPR and sack 2 managers in 1 season.

We need someone who will take us on..push us forwards..
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce wants dull Everton to become more boring
Post by: ally2 on January 14, 2018, 06:04:19 PM
Who do you hold accountable for our recent performances then?

You're going round spouting shite having constant digs at people for questioning the manager yet you're not offering any a opinion as to who is responsible for the recent inept performances.

Surely you'll agree that when a team doesn't win in six games, failing to have a more than one shot on goal for the majority, the manager has to take the brunt? If not, then I'd like to hear your reasons for absolving that manager of any blame.

I was clear that I didn't want Koeman to go. We were in Europe with money to spend and we blew it that summer. I accept that. I never wanted Everton to be a club with three managers in one season, sacking someone after 10 games when they'd sorted out the Martinez car crash and got us into Europe. I wanted patience. I naively thought we were better than the club's who do all this sacking. I want the club to be unified and supportive because I think that will provide the best framework for success. That's why it annoys me so much when fans turn on a manager who's only been here for one month and made one signing and has had some very tough games.

But to answer your question - yes I think it was bad recruitment. I don't know how much fault that was of Steve Walsh. Scouting networks take years to build don't they?  And players get scouted for years too sometimes. So I also think that could be a reason.

But the broader point here is - why does does everyone have to go around slagging off anyone and everyone and looking to blame?  I think part of it is that expectations have been raised with new ownership, and fans just haven't dealt with that expectation very well. It'll take time. We've regressed if anything so I understand that frustration. But I wouldn't even say these were tough times. In the grand scheme of things we've lost a few games of football and aren't scoring goals. But we have wealthy and ambitious owner at last and we're hopefully moving to a new stadium. That's enough for me to know things are generally on the up.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce wants dull Everton to become more boring
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 14, 2018, 06:11:13 PM
Sweet baby jesus
How can we be more boring? More defensive?
We are a fucking shambles
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce wants dull Everton to become more boring
Post by: SANA_DR0 on January 14, 2018, 06:19:41 PM
Sweet baby jesus
How can we be more boring? More defensive?
We are a fucking shambles

i think the stat is.. no shots on target in the first half of the last 5 premier league games.

and some people like Ally are happy with that and moaning at others.. lol

Ally doesnt even want fans to moan about it, he also doesnt think it will effect Everton f.c if fans stop going to the games due to the boring / negative football..

i mean.. really..  we have a lot of young fans, young people want to be entertained (thats why most of the younger football peoples support the attacking teams) if we want to build on our gates/fans/exposure, hell if we want to break into america or be a world wide known team, that will be done with creative players.. not by boring football..

its like watching a movie that you know is going to be shit, has shit actors shit storyline, even tho its been produced by M. Night Shyamalan and had a budget of 10 billion..

no longevity in what we are doing now :(
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce wants dull Everton to become more boring
Post by: ally2 on January 14, 2018, 06:32:55 PM
No issue with moaning about performances. 5 shots on target in 6 games is utterly, utterly pathetic. Just not into the Allardyce bashing that's all.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce wants dull Everton to become more boring
Post by: gizzblue on January 14, 2018, 06:37:09 PM
Steadied the ship maybe....but now he's drilling holes in the hull .
And some supporters are suprised 😅😅😅😅😅

It's Sam Allardyce guys we knew what we were getting no biography needed.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce wants dull Everton to become more boring
Post by: AllyBlue14 on January 14, 2018, 06:48:12 PM
Bear in mind, 4 of these last 6 games have been against Chelsea, United, the RS and Spurs. Sure, the West Brom and Bournemouth games were shit, and if that's the pattern as we move forward then questions should start to be raised.

I think one thing we can all agree on is that we were all disappointed to be in a position where Sam Allardyce was even a contender to be our manager. With our new investment, potential new stadium etc., this wasn't in the script. But it does feel like some people have waited for the first signs of trouble to jump on his back - even the good results were only received begrudgingly in some quarters.

With the entertaining thing too, we got 4th place by playing a pretty dry, uninspiring brand of football. Equally, I'm sure when Chelsea won the league under Mourinho they didn't care how they got the results. Obviously, though, if you're football is crap and you're not even getting results, you need to change tack.

He's been brought in with a short-term goal and started off really well - with that, though, you only have a limited honeymoon period because you have to produce good results quickly. There's been a dip in results and we definitely need to improve, that's plain to see. But he's been here for a month and a half and has brought in one player. Put the knives away and get behind the team - if the results and performances are still like this a little while down the line, then that's when he should be criticised.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce wants dull Everton to become more boring
Post by: Rodenplav64 on January 14, 2018, 06:57:00 PM
Same dinosaur who is a leader in sports science and player analytics?

Bloody hell, he’s had barely a month and the haters are angry he hasn’t turned Martina into Messi

What the fuck are you on about ? Where in the fuck is he a leader of anything ? Fine to give him a chance like anyone else until he is sacked in the close season but please stop chatting absolute shite .
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce wants dull Everton to become more boring
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 14, 2018, 07:04:46 PM
Same dinosaur who is a leader in sports science and player analytics?

Bloody hell, he's had barely a month and the haters are angry he hasn't turned Martina into Messi
He was the leader in that twenty fucking years ago
The world's turned since then
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce wants dull Everton to become more boring
Post by: everton1952 on January 14, 2018, 07:41:45 PM
It was a good result for the lynch mob who are out in force as expected. The result was never in question before a ball was kicked. You can't expect 2nd/3rd rate players like McCarthy, Gueye, Cuco, and green rookies like Holgate and Kenny to cope with Tottenham. Add that to an over the hill Jags and a half fit Bolassie, plus  a bench full of dross and there was no chance.  Cenk was a highlight. The worst part was the collapse in morale, although it must be difficult to play against a team 10 times better than you.  Allardyce was brought in to retrieve a near wrecked playing squad. He should still get us another 13 points to stay up. After  that who knows?  All those who wanted Silva, Unsie, Koeman back and a variety of known and half known managers from overseas will have their say. All would struggle with the crap and unfit players we have available.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce wants dull Everton to become more boring
Post by: Simon Paul on January 14, 2018, 07:42:22 PM
When I said "wimps", I was attacking the prevailing mentality of fans who give up the moment things aren't going well. That's the time when you need to stick together. I think it was Brownie's analogy (or maybe not) about who you'd want next to you 'in the trenches' as the old saying goes. Some people are so feeble.

We've lost some football games and aren't playing very well.  Most teams don't play good football. Most teams don't win. I want us to do both. Of course I do. But how you can pin that on a manager who's only been here a month and has only bought one player is ridiculous.

You're big on fan engagement. So should the fans be engaged on every managerial appointment until we are all happy?  Because that's the problem here. Most people didn't want Allardyce. That was me too but the way. Some of us have got over it and realise that it's important to pull together and show some patience. Others keep banging on about every week (every day actually) with no actual aim other than just to moan and agree with others that think like them.

I think when the opinion is so loud then it has to be listened to, the same as when the fanbase has wanted a manager sacked

I'm not sure if I've ever posted this on a public forum, but here goes....

The week before Martinez's last derby game in charge of us, two weeks before the semi final at Wembley, I met with a very senior executive at Everton for tea.  Naturally there weer many subjects talked about, but the main one was Roberto's future.  "Listen Simon, he's a very nice man and everyone at the club has total faith in him" was what I was told at the start of the conversation.  I went on to say that I too thought Roberto was a very nice man, and that I hoped it would work, but that if we lost both the derby and the semi final, then there would be no way the fans would allow him to carry on as manager.  This person was totally shocked by this statement.  He - and I believe most people at board level - had no idea the fans felt so strongly.  TWO WEEKS before they sacked him.

I'm not claiming any kind of credit and definitely not any kind of responsibility, but up until that point, the board had absolutely no idea that the fans felt things were so bad with Martinez.  They had no idea themselves that things were so bad.  They had no plans to sack him, and clearly no plans on who to replace him with.

Then they sacked him and Moshiri chased Koeman all over Hampshire.

I don't have the same working relationship with the club as I did, and I partly blame that on Koeman and the way he wanted the club run, but also on Moshiri, and finally on myself for being a bit lazy.

But I do believe that the club needs to listen to fans when public opinion is so strong. 

I've not met anyone in person who wanted Allardyce.  Plenty are pragmatic after the event and agree that we needed someone to sort us out - but my main gripe there is that it got so bad before it was acted upon.  It was - again - the fans who forced this action to sack Koeman.  But again there was absolutely no plan to replace him.

Moshiri claims all the credit for everything now, and he must take responsibility for this.  He had no intentions of sacking Koeman until it got so bad the fans forced it.  He had no plans to replace him so left Unsworth in charge with players knowing he was never going to be their boss full time, so the shit-house ones downed tools and hung him out to dry.  Then he is rejected by Allardyce but says he has another manager in line, but Watford said no publicly and Burnley told us to wait until the end of the season privately.

So he goes back to Allardyce cap in hand and agrees to everything he wants.

Moshiri didn't appoint Martinez so we can't land him with that one, but he did fail to put plans in place for when he was sacked - but he got lucky in that the season was basically done anyway.  If he'd been sacked earlier plenty were saying we'd have beaten United at Wembley and then had a good shot at a trophy.  But he was kept too long for that - by Moshiri.

Moshiri then got his man in Koeman, but again seemed to never believe he would sack him before eventually doing so without a plan when it was very nearly too late.  But in the process dented the confidence of a promising young coach by giving him an impossible job.

Sean Dyche was the man we needed both short and long term.  Instead we got the older, less adventurous version.

And Sammy Lee.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce wants dull Everton to become more boring
Post by: Rodenplav64 on January 14, 2018, 08:03:57 PM
It was a good result for the lynch mob who are out in force as expected. The result was never in question before a ball was kicked. You can't expect 2nd/3rd rate players like McCarthy, Gueye, Cuco, and green rookies like Holgate and Kenny to cope with Tottenham. Add that to an over the hill Jags and a half fit Bolassie, plus  a bench full of dross and there was no chance.  Cenk was a highlight. The worst part was the collapse in morale, although it must be difficult to play against a team 10 times better than you.  Allardyce was brought in to retrieve a near wrecked playing squad. He should still get us another 13 points to stay up. After  that who knows?  All those who wanted Silva, Unsie, Koeman back and a variety of known and half known managers from overseas will have their say. All would struggle with the crap and unfit players we have available.

I am not lynching him but he got a draw against Chelsea and a draw against Liverpool with those you have just mentioned so why not against Spurs ? I will answer for you , he got it wrong and he then blamed the players . Like he always has like he always will because he believes his own hype .
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce wants dull Everton to become more boring
Post by: everton1952 on January 14, 2018, 08:51:04 PM
Fair enough. Playing Sigurdsson and Rooney together was a mistake. Vlasic would have been better getting back to cover Cuco.  The real underlying blame lies with terrible recruitment, especially the likes of Sandro and Klassen who do not feature at all, the demise of Baines and the long term loss of Coleman. We will stay up.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce wants dull Everton to become more boring
Post by: Simon Paul on January 14, 2018, 08:54:40 PM
Fair enough. Playing Sigurdsson and Rooney together was a mistake. Vlasic would have been better getting back to cover Cuco.  The real underlying blame lies with terrible recruitment, especially the likes of Sandro and Klassen who do not feature at all, the demise of Baines and the long term loss of Coleman. We will stay up.

We are Everton. Staying up should be a given.

The fact that it's seen as a positive shows how far we have been dragged down. Then the fact that people aren't sure if you and therealdunc are WUMs or not when you blindly stick by Allardyce (no real human actually thinks the things you two type) shows that Everton have been dragged down even more than in the darkest days of having to sell Nick Chadwick to pay for a new pitch mid season and not being sure we could afford to pay the players on FA Cup weekend unless Blackburn brought a load of fans

Title: Re: [News]Allardyce wants dull Everton to become more boring
Post by: brap2 on January 14, 2018, 08:58:39 PM
Iíve genuinely considered the realdunc as a potential club plant
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce wants dull Everton to become more boring
Post by: Rodenplav64 on January 14, 2018, 09:00:59 PM
Fair enough. Playing Sigurdsson and Rooney together was a mistake. Vlasic would have been better getting back to cover Cuco.  The real underlying blame lies with terrible recruitment, especially the likes of Sandro and Klassen who do not feature at all, the demise of Baines and the long term loss of Coleman. We will stay up.

I can't be arsed pointing fingers but at the start of this season most on here and in the press thought our recruitment was bang on and Koeman would lead us to glory . Those that thought the opposite were slated .
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce wants dull Everton to become more boring
Post by: TheRam on January 14, 2018, 09:01:24 PM
Iíve genuinely considered the realdunc as a potential club plant

He's certainly a plant like.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce wants dull Everton to become more boring
Post by: Simon Paul on January 14, 2018, 09:19:21 PM
I've genuinely considered the realdunc as a potential club plant

Doesn't fit the MO of a club plant. Maybe Sam's wife though?
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce wants dull Everton to become more boring
Post by: Bally on January 14, 2018, 09:20:27 PM
If it rooted out the wimps and cry baby fans then yeah I'd be all for it.
What in the screaming blue fuck is this shit
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce wants dull Everton to become more boring
Post by: gizzblue on January 14, 2018, 09:22:05 PM
What in the screaming blue fuck is this shit
The agenda police Newest recruit.
Title: [News]Allardyce wants dull Everton to become more boring
Post by: Simon Paul on January 14, 2018, 09:22:46 PM
The agenda police Newest recruit.

We haven't recruited since 2006?

Sorry 2005 Bally joined our gang
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce wants dull Everton to become more boring
Post by: gizzblue on January 14, 2018, 09:24:24 PM
We haven't recruited since 2006?
Haha no the people who think Sam is the second coming ...and to think otherwise is some sort of agenda ....them police.😅
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce wants dull Everton to become more boring
Post by: Simon Paul on January 14, 2018, 09:25:40 PM
Haha no the people who think Sam is the second coming ...and to think otherwise is some sort of agenda ....them police.

Ohhhhh

Sorry. Trying to multitask and failing.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce wants dull Everton to become more boring
Post by: Bob Sacamano on January 14, 2018, 09:28:28 PM
Why are we even surprised by this shite. Heís played shite football for decades.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce wants dull Everton to become more boring
Post by: Simon Paul on January 14, 2018, 09:30:08 PM
Why are we even surprised by this shite. He's played shite football for decades.

Some are. Most aren't. Those who are seem to be the ones shouting loud.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce wants dull Everton to become more boring
Post by: Bob Sacamano on January 14, 2018, 09:31:17 PM
Some are. Most aren't. Those who are seem to be the ones shouting loud.

Heís awful and has been ridiculed by literally every set of fans that heís come across.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce wants dull Everton to become more boring
Post by: mikey_blue on January 14, 2018, 09:43:28 PM
Hopefully we put some leg work in before the summer and get a replacement lined up.

.... It's Everton though and I know this won't happen. But the cycle of slight optimism to bone crushing disappointment must continue, at all costs.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce wants dull Everton to become more boring
Post by: Bluedylan on January 14, 2018, 10:27:59 PM
No issue with moaning about performances. 5 shots on target in 6 games is utterly, utterly pathetic. Just not into the Allardyce bashing that's all.

What's this utter nonsense you keep spouting about Allardyce not being able to be judged?

He's been here a couple of months. Is he getting paid to manage the team? Yes he is, so then he will be judged. Your really weird attitude seems to be that this entire season is a free pass and no-one should be able to have an opinion on his performance as manager. Frig that.

You're right to say that plenty of people weren't into getting him, so there are pre-conceived ideas that he has to face. He knows that, and that's not unreasonable. Barring us signing a complete unknown, any manager who comes here would have to deal with preconceptions. The problem is, Sam has done fuck all to challenge them, and in fact a number of games with no shots on target has completely confirmed them.

Basically, I don't think your argument stands up to even the tiniest bit of scrutiny.

Also, can you give us a date in the future that we're allowed to judge Allardyce from, in your esteemed opinion. March? May? August? Christmas? Just let us know. It'll save a lot of wasted comments.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce wants dull Everton to become more boring
Post by: Lxxx on January 14, 2018, 10:37:31 PM
Watching the shite play against City is just so fuckin depressing. They've clearly got a style, a recruitment strategy and a manager with an ethos and a personaility who players want to play for. Everything we lack.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce wants dull Everton to become more boring
Post by: Bob Sacamano on January 14, 2018, 10:48:43 PM
What's this utter nonsense you keep spouting about Allardyce not being able to be judged?

He's been here a couple of months. Is he getting paid to manage the team? Yes he is, so then he will be judged. Your really weird attitude seems to be that this entire season is a free pass and no-one should be able to have an opinion on his performance as manager. Frig that.

You're right to say that plenty of people weren't into getting him, so there are pre-conceived ideas that he has to face. He knows that, and that's not unreasonable. Barring us signing a complete unknown, any manager who comes here would have to deal with preconceptions. The problem is, Sam has done fuck all to challenge them, and in fact a number of games with no shots on target has completely confirmed them.

Basically, I don't think your argument stands up to even the tiniest bit of scrutiny.

Also, can you give us a date in the future that we're allowed to judge Allardyce from, in your esteemed opinion. March? May? August? Christmas? Just let us know. It'll save a lot of wasted comments.

October apparently lolol
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce wants dull Everton to become more boring
Post by: Cassius on January 14, 2018, 11:01:20 PM
Why are we even surprised by this shite. Heís played shite football for decades.

But, but, but Jay Jay Okocha...
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce wants dull Everton to become more boring
Post by: Ross on January 14, 2018, 11:06:12 PM
But, but, but Jay Jay Okocha...

Donít forget Sport Science
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce wants dull Everton to become more boring
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on January 14, 2018, 11:07:21 PM
The most snide false ,fake bullshit Everton news headline ever, whoever wrote that title is a fucking tosser, how low can you fucking go? probably more left in the tank..how old are you 10?
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce wants dull Everton to become more boring
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on January 14, 2018, 11:12:37 PM
Oh no the bastard Allardyce what a mess, it was him that did it all, he bought all the statues and the has been, bastard Allardyce...bastard.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce wants dull Everton to become more boring
Post by: Everton Mint on January 14, 2018, 11:22:41 PM
What I think Allardyce was saying was that the defensive football that worked for his first 6 games got results. That was also against lesser teams.

But as soon as people see us climb up the table they immediately want us to become more expansive.
This has been tried with Bolasie back and Tosun coming in, BUT its been against Man U, Lpool and Spurs... so therefore it hasnt come off.

However at least we have played a bit better football albeit with little end product in terms of shots on target against these top teams.

With the easier games coming up we can get back to winning ways and build confidence. The players coming in and coming back will improve and we should get some decent results AND better play.

Keep the faith.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce wants dull Everton to become more boring
Post by: Simon Paul on January 14, 2018, 11:36:22 PM
The most snide false ,fake bullshit Everton news headline ever, whoever wrote that title is a fucking tosser, how low can you fucking go? probably more left in the tank..how old are you 10?

Getting splinters up there la
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce wants dull Everton to become more boring
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on January 14, 2018, 11:44:52 PM
What I think Allardyce was saying was that the defensive football that worked for his first 6 games got results. That was also against lesser teams.

But as soon as people see us climb up the table they immediately want us to become more expansive.
This has been tried with Bolasie back and Tosun coming in, BUT its been against Man U, Lpool and Spurs... so therefore it hasnt come off.

However at least we have played a bit better football albeit with little end product in terms of shots on target against these top teams.

With the easier games coming up we can get back to winning ways and build confidence. The players coming in and coming back will improve and we should get some decent results AND better play.

Keep the faith.
Your right, and if anything he went soft yesterday and tried things the players are just not good enough to carry out, he's been left with a fucking mess the last 2 dick heads left us with plus bad steering from upstairs that goes back fuckin decades, up from relegation zone to 9th and still slagged off, you couldn't make it up...
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce wants dull Everton to become more boring
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on January 14, 2018, 11:47:46 PM
Getting splinters up there la
Well for fucks sake, how can he be blamed for owt?
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce wants dull Everton to become more boring
Post by: bacon sarnie on January 14, 2018, 11:48:59 PM
I reckon he'll manage it you know

Ditto and he'll be given loads of time to achieve it.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce wants dull Everton to become more boring
Post by: bacon sarnie on January 14, 2018, 11:51:24 PM
Watching the shite play against City is just so fuckin depressing. They've clearly got a style, a recruitment strategy and a manager with an ethos and a personaility who players want to play for. Everything we lack.

Its not their fault!
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce wants dull Everton to become more boring
Post by: Simon Paul on January 14, 2018, 11:54:33 PM
Well for fucks sake, how can he be blamed for owt?

He's the manager. The blame stops with him.

Incidentally, when he took over we were five points above the relegation zone. We are seven above it now.

Not exactly the resurgence you speak of so eloquently.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce wants dull Everton to become more boring
Post by: Ross on January 15, 2018, 12:00:29 AM
Your right, and if anything he went soft yesterday and tried things the players are just not good enough to carry out, he's been left with a fucking mess the last 2 dick heads left us with plus bad steering from upstairs that goes back fuckin decades, up from relegation zone to 9th and still slagged off, you couldn't make it up...

We werenít in the relegation zone when he took over EAB. In fact heís only improved our position by 2 places from where he took charge.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce wants dull Everton to become more boring
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on January 15, 2018, 12:04:46 AM
He's the manager. The blame stops with him.

Incidentally, when he took over we were five points above the relegation zone. We are seven above it now.

Not exactly the resurgence you speak of so eloquently.
There is no resurgence just survival, that's all he was brought in for...
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce wants dull Everton to become more boring
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on January 15, 2018, 12:06:24 AM
We werenít in the relegation zone when he took over EAB. In fact heís only improved our position by 2 places from where he took charge.
Yep we were flying..
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce wants dull Everton to become more boring
Post by: TheTone on January 15, 2018, 12:12:56 AM
Great, really looking forward to the rest of the season now

Just another 13 points needed
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce wants dull Everton to become more boring
Post by: Ravardo on January 15, 2018, 12:18:22 AM
Great, really looking forward to the rest of the season now

Just another 13 points needed

13 draws then
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce wants dull Everton to become more boring
Post by: TheTone on January 15, 2018, 12:21:09 AM
13 draws then

Nah 3 wins and 4 nil nils, up the ev
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce wants dull Everton to become more boring
Post by: UnsyisaRhino on January 15, 2018, 12:23:45 AM
He's the manager. The blame stops with him.

Incidentally, when he took over we were five points above the relegation zone. We are seven above it now.

Not exactly the resurgence you speak of so eloquently.

Previous managers don't take any?

Or the players? If we play well and the system, style and line up all work but our players make individual errors resulting in us losing. Is it still down to the manager?
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce wants dull Everton to become more boring
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on January 15, 2018, 12:27:01 AM
13 draws then
Can't beat a bit of optimism.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce wants dull Everton to become more boring
Post by: ally2 on January 15, 2018, 03:20:59 AM
What's this utter nonsense you keep spouting about Allardyce not being able to be judged?

He's been here a couple of months. Is he getting paid to manage the team? Yes he is, so then he will be judged. Your really weird attitude seems to be that this entire season is a free pass and no-one should be able to have an opinion on his performance as manager. Frig that.

You're right to say that plenty of people weren't into getting him, so there are pre-conceived ideas that he has to face. He knows that, and that's not unreasonable. Barring us signing a complete unknown, any manager who comes here would have to deal with preconceptions. The problem is, Sam has done fuck all to challenge them, and in fact a number of games with no shots on target has completely confirmed them.

Basically, I don't think your argument stands up to even the tiniest bit of scrutiny.

Also, can you give us a date in the future that we're allowed to judge Allardyce from, in your esteemed opinion. March? May? August? Christmas? Just let us know. It'll save a lot of wasted comments.

Standard agressive response.  You're displaying that famous lack of self-awareness again.  It's not a good trait.  And you admitted that yourself which makes it worse.

But to answer your question - let me put it this way: If you were drafted into a new job (let's say any field of work for simplicity) in which the team that you were hired to managed were performing badly, then how long would it be until you thought it was fair for others to judge your performance?
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce wants dull Everton to become more boring
Post by: Bob Sacamano on January 15, 2018, 03:40:25 AM
Standard agressive response.  You're displaying that famous lack of self-awareness again.  It's not a good trait.  And you admitted that yourself which makes it worse.

But to answer your question - let me put it this way: If you were drafted into a new job (let's say any field of work for simplicity) in which the team that you were hired to managed were performing badly, then how long would it be until you thought it was fair for others to judge your performance?

Allardyce is doing what Allardyce does,  shit football with mediocre results. You could give him another 12 months but youíre probably only get what heís been doing for the past few decades, shit football with mediocre results.

If we wanted any different we should have hired someone else. Same as @Bluedylan (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=3747) ís hypothetical employer.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce wants dull Everton to become more boring
Post by: ally2 on January 15, 2018, 04:55:32 AM
Allardyce is doing what Allardyce does,  shit football with mediocre results. You could give him another 12 months but you're probably only get what he's been doing for the past few decades, shit football with mediocre results.

If we wanted any different we should have hired someone else. Same as @Bluedylan (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=3747) 's hypothetical employer.

Not disagreeing. And I've said I wasn't an Allardyce fan either. So what are we going to do then? One of these days one of you lads will come up with something other than perpetual moaning. And maybe realise that this is a moment in time. A shit moment in time. But we'll get over it, hopefully without anyone crapping their pants in the next 6 months. In the mean time, how about stop blaming someone who is way down the list of people to blame? I don't need or want a list, but a lot of people do, and that's their wish.  It may even help the club if the team knew that fans weren't blaming the manager. 
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce wants dull Everton to become more boring
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on January 15, 2018, 05:17:00 AM
Just been the creamy house  handfull of blues having same arguments, ground will have to be split to avoid blue on blue aggro.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce wants dull Everton to become more boring
Post by: toffee_scot on January 16, 2018, 03:11:23 AM
Nah 3 wins and 4 nil nils, up the ev

Where the hell will those 3 shots on target come from?
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce wants dull Everton to become more boring
Post by: Cereal Killer on January 16, 2018, 03:30:36 AM
Where the hell will those 3 shots on target come from?

2 pens and an own goal
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce wants dull Everton to become more boring
Post by: Juanito on January 16, 2018, 03:57:28 AM
Not disagreeing. And I've said I wasn't an Allardyce fan either. So what are we going to do then? One of these days one of you lads will come up with something other than perpetual moaning. And maybe realise that this is a moment in time. A shit moment in time. But we'll get over it, hopefully without anyone crapping their pants in the next 6 months. In the mean time, how about stop blaming someone who is way down the list of people to blame? I don't need or want a list, but a lot of people do, and that's their wish.  It may even help the club if the team knew that fans weren't blaming the manager. 


Allardyce is a man that likes to blame the players when he loses, so you should be ok about letting fans blame him, when we record 3 shots on target in our last 4 games of football.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce wants dull Everton to become more boring
Post by: Mick 1995 on January 16, 2018, 02:44:13 PM
Excellent statement to come out with whilst trying to persuade attacking players into the club.

Merson said:
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Whoever Everton buy, they have to buy pace, theyíve not got a lot of pace in the team. He would be a good signing for Everton, very good signing. My question would be would you go to Everton?
People say heís got to play because heís going to the World Cup, I donít see him going to the World Cup. I think heís well down the pecking order. There would have to be a few injuries and heíd have to majorly pull up trees at Everton, and the way Everton play, itís going to be hard to pull up trees.
The perfect fit, for me, with him would be Bournemouth. They play 4-4-2, they play attacking football, pacey.

Now, it's easy to write that off as being 'only merson'. But that attitude will be rippling throughout the football media, which will start to permeate through to everybody.

Honestly, shit football this year is the least of our concerns with Allardyce in charge long term.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce wants dull Everton to become more boring
Post by: TheTone on January 16, 2018, 02:45:22 PM
Where the hell will those 3 shots on target come from?

1 og, 1 freekick and a dodgy pen
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce wants dull Everton to become more boring
Post by: TheTone on January 16, 2018, 02:48:10 PM
2 pens and an own goal

haha ooops, in before me
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce wants dull Everton to become more boring
Post by: Hawkandro on January 16, 2018, 03:03:49 PM
At no one point in the past few matches have I sat there and thought, 'Bloody hell Everton, we need to stop being so cavalier here.'.

I kind of understand what Sam was saying, he wants us to tighten up at the back again, fair enough, but that statement was ludicrous in the extreme. Cannot remember a worse attacking side.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce wants dull Everton to become more boring
Post by: Macca77 on January 16, 2018, 03:52:29 PM
Dull and boring you say Sam? Ill just leave this here

https://twitter.com/ToffeeTweeter/status/953037754287476736
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce wants dull Everton to become more boring
Post by: everton1952 on January 16, 2018, 04:11:21 PM
It wasn't the wisest statement to make by the manager that's for sure. On the other hand can you imagine the likes of regular choices Lennon, McCarthy, DCL, Gueye, Siggy (playing left back), Davies, Bolassie etc etc getting more than one shot at the goal in any period of 3 months? Those are the players we are lumbered with. You have to be a fantasist to imagine a shot from outside the box from Everton. Our only chances come from corner kicks, just like WBA who we play next.  Now if he stopped playing Siggy as a cover for Cuco then who knows? We might see a few shots from him. Then there is Cenk. I can't see any great change this side of May in the goalscoring department. The Sandro fans have been quiet for a while. Maybe there is a glimmer of hope from him alongside Cenk. Just get the boring 13 points and regroup.