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Title: Everton on the Counter Attack....
Post by: Thomas on January 14, 2018, 05:36:46 AM
Lets talk about the tactics that may well suit our squad best. Its an aging squad with not a lot of height or pace, so forgive me ignoring a few factors, but ideally this is where we need to be. Particularly when a coach who preaches simplicity is playing an absurdly adventurous 4-2-3-1 with a contradictory and defensive shape.

Before Mr Pints of Wine was appointed, Moshiri done his usual hypothetical PR stunt of saying he wanted Simeone. A counter attacking manager who plays 442. Unfortunately this platitude resembled Kenwrights bids for players half of what bigger teams had already bidded......zilch.

Anyway the one thing I'll give our bumbling majority shareholder was he realized something (at least till he shit himself and went back begging later) I did. We don't need a defensive, nihlist manager who plays 5 at the back at WBA and 3 DMs vs Bournemouth. We need quick, counter attacking football in a basic system. So he said Simeone was his ideal man.

As a basic HYPOTHETICAL example of just how effective this can be, Ranieri at Leicester. Claudio is hardly the greatest coach of all time but he used two players with pace, a good crosser of the ball (Albrighton) with some determination, and another forward who presses (Ottazaki) along with deep lying midfielders (Drinkwater) and Kante almost as a Half Back. It worked wonders. Its also working fairly well at Nantes without him spending much money and using all his man management skills and italian charm.

Basically, at the moment we are playing defensive football, probably because the team cant play on the counter attack as it doesn't have the pace or the defensive solidity. Maybe counter attack would work well for us? We certainly dont seem to win away from home frequently and a new model is needed.
Title: Re: Everton on the Counter Attack....
Post by: DanDan on January 14, 2018, 06:04:51 AM
How many home games has Sam managed us so far?
Huddersfield
Man Utd
Chelsea

Tough start if u ask me
Title: Re: Everton on the Counter Attack....
Post by: bluenuck on January 14, 2018, 06:21:20 AM
How many home games has Sam managed us so far?
Huddersfield
Man Utd
Chelsea

Tough start if u ask me

Koeman also had an horrendous schedule at the start of the season.

It's not the coaches, guys. Or the schedule.

It's the DoF and the players that we've assembled. They're both not up to par.
Title: Re: Everton on the Counter Attack....
Post by: bogie on January 14, 2018, 06:50:01 AM
we need to get as high up the league as well can or any talk of a new manager will be a waste of time you will just be trading like for like

Big Dunk needs to go 4 managers he has been with now still playing shit football

I just really hope the powers that be just don't think get Sam out in the summer and get a big name attacking or Counter Attack with this pack of shit we have
Title: Re: Everton on the Counter Attack....
Post by: stirlingblue on January 14, 2018, 04:16:11 PM
we need to get as high up the league as well can or any talk of a new manager will be a waste of time you will just be trading like for like

Big Dunk needs to go 4 managers he has been with now still playing shit football

I just really hope the powers that be just don't think get Sam out in the summer and get a big name attacking or Counter Attack with this pack of shit we have

What the fuck has Ferguson got to do with the type of football we play?

That's 100% down to the manager
Title: Re: Everton on the Counter Attack....
Post by: eugene on January 14, 2018, 04:23:01 PM
Counter attack with what I recon I could beat this lot over 100m
Title: Re: Everton on the Counter Attack....
Post by: TheTone on January 14, 2018, 04:38:29 PM
I was going well but clicked out at 'Mr Pints of Wine'
Title: Re: Everton on the Counter Attack....
Post by: bogie on January 14, 2018, 04:39:03 PM
What the fuck has Ferguson got to do with the type of football we play?

That's 100% down to the manager

track back in time to just before we started down this shit play
bobbys 1st year all looking good then he gets moved up and things start to go wrong and yes it is 100% down to the 4 managers that have been there with him and not done anything about it

I don't see are players getting any better more like its going the other way and he is the one that has been there all that time if he had never played for us he would have been gone long before now
Title: Re: Everton on the Counter Attack....
Post by: TheRam on January 14, 2018, 04:58:25 PM
What counter attack?
Title: Re: Everton on the Counter Attack....
Post by: GLewis on January 14, 2018, 05:04:39 PM
What counter attack?

Sigurdsson’s goal at Anfield? :)
Title: Re: Everton on the Counter Attack....
Post by: GLewis on January 14, 2018, 05:06:34 PM
On a serious point we’ve no guarantee that the ball will be transitioned well from either defence or the midfield.

Even a pass is only a yard out it can kill any attempted momentum.

Thought there were a few in the first half where a lack of accuracy spoiled good positions.
Title: Re: Everton on the Counter Attack....
Post by: therealdunc on January 14, 2018, 05:40:16 PM
Suprised no one has mentioned how bad Rooneys and Bolasies pass accuracy was yesterday


Title: Re: Everton on the Counter Attack....
Post by: ally2 on January 14, 2018, 05:44:16 PM
Suprised no one has mentioned how bad Rooneys and Bolasies pass accuracy was yesterday

I've been quite shocked with Rooney's passing in general. I know he's lost some speed but he is extremely careless in some of his passing. If a youth player was making those mistakes they'd get pummeled for it. Don't know why it is. I guess we've not seen so much of his passing ability in this area of the field through most of his career.
Title: Re: Everton on the Counter Attack....
Post by: piggypop on January 14, 2018, 06:02:16 PM
I've been quite shocked with Rooney's passing in general. I know he's lost some speed but he is extremely careless in some of his passing. If a youth player was making those mistakes they'd get pummeled for it. Don't know why it is. I guess we've not seen so much of his passing ability in this area of the field through most of his career.
Completely agree. Barkley used to get castigated for giving the ball away, but he was nowhere near as bad as Rooney has been.
It seems Rooney can pull out a lovely cross field ball as long as nobody is near him. Put a player within 5 yards and it all goes to shit.
He shouldn't be anywhere near the starting lineup in my opinion. It's already the same as he'd become for United and England in that he still scores goals but is detrimental to the overall team.
Title: Re: Everton on the Counter Attack....
Post by: eugene on January 14, 2018, 06:18:12 PM
Yes I fully agree Rooney should not be a nailed on starter he should be on the bench and brought on for impact
Title: Re: Everton on the Counter Attack....
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 14, 2018, 07:11:33 PM
Attack?
Title: Re: Everton on the Counter Attack....
Post by: gizzblue on January 14, 2018, 08:29:00 PM
We have proved a few times this year we can actually counter quite well ....if we actually set up for it we could work wonders.
Title: Re: Everton on the Counter Attack....
Post by: bogie on January 15, 2018, 12:46:55 AM
Yes I fully agree Rooney should not be a nailed on starter he should be on the bench and brought on for impact

I would think he has it in his deal if he is fit he plays 80/90% of are games I hope we are really making some money if it is like that
Title: Re: Everton on the Counter Attack....
Post by: Cozzie on January 15, 2018, 01:20:45 AM
5 shots on target in the last 6 games.
Title: Re: Everton on the Counter Attack....
Post by: gizzblue on January 15, 2018, 07:15:25 AM
5 shots on target in the last 6 games.
I'm actually suprised ...watching it seemed a fuking he'll of a lot less .
Title: Re: Everton on the Counter Attack....
Post by: dangermouse on January 15, 2018, 02:25:06 PM
On a serious point we’ve no guarantee that the ball will be transitioned well from either defence or the midfield.

Even a pass is only a yard out it can kill any attempted momentum.

Thought there were a few in the first half where a lack of accuracy spoiled good positions.

The team is so unbalanced at the moment, add to this our terrible link up play between defense, midfield and attack and its no wonder we are not getting a shot on target... the whole team needs a overhaul or lots of time to re adjust. Either way I think we have been put back a couple of seasons by Koeman / Walsh. 
Title: Re: Everton on the Counter Attack....
Post by: Macca77 on January 15, 2018, 02:30:13 PM
Actual footage of us on the counter attack

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Title: Re: Everton on the Counter Attack....
Post by: Hawkandro on January 15, 2018, 02:45:03 PM
Everton on the Counter Attack... is something I can only dream of.
Title: Re: Everton on the Counter Attack....
Post by: eugene on January 15, 2018, 05:09:16 PM
Counter attack with what I recon I could beat this lot over 100m
To confirm I meant over 5 yards and I get a 2 second start,leave our midfield standing
Title: Re: Everton on the Counter Attack....
Post by: gizzblue on January 15, 2018, 05:18:37 PM
This unbalanced argument keeps raising its head .... we do have players in positions we need but don't have a manager capable of playing them there imho...even after three attempts.
Title: Re: Everton on the Counter Attack....
Post by: eugene on January 15, 2018, 05:53:48 PM
This unbalanced argument keeps raising its head .... we do have players in positions we need but don't have a manager capable of playing them there imho...even after three attempts.
Go on mate put your toe in the water, what are our options
Title: Re: Everton on the Counter Attack....
Post by: gizzblue on January 15, 2018, 05:59:33 PM
Go on mate put your toe in the water, what are our options
For a start bench one of the Dm's play with two proper wingers we've got a few now it's WBA next so even Lookman or Vlasic ,play Sig through the middle where he belongs ....Martina has been that bad Stick Holgate out there (id wager he can't be worse he knows how to defend at least)...more in attack the ball would stick better no?.

Where is the unbalance everyone speaks of then? .
Title: Re: Everton on the Counter Attack....
Post by: School of Science on January 15, 2018, 06:42:37 PM
Consider we sign Walcott for a moment. Like to see us try

                                                      Pickford

                  Johnjoe Kenny.                                          Garbutt

                                       Holgate.                 Williams


                                  Gueye                           Schneiderlin

                                                    Sigurdsson
 
                       Bolasie.                      Tosun.                   Walcott

One of the D /M's to switch with Rooney / Davies depending on who we are playing.
                                                 
Title: Re: Everton on the Counter Attack....
Post by: eugene on January 15, 2018, 06:46:15 PM
For a start bench one of the Dm's play with two proper wingers we've got a few now it's WBA next so even Lookman or Vlasic ,play Sig through the middle where he belongs ....Martina has been that bad Stick Holgate out there (id wager he can't be worse he knows how to defend at least)...more in attack the ball would stick better no?.

Where is the unbalance everyone speaks of then? .
Better plan than Sams mate, job coming up in about 16 months time, and that’s it, how come we all know yet our manager seems perplexed and imo that stretches back from Moyes
Title: Re: Everton on the Counter Attack....
Post by: Cereal Killer on January 15, 2018, 07:21:29 PM
Consider we sign Walcott for a moment. Like to see us try

                                                      Pickford

                  Johnjoe Kenny.                                          Garbutt

                                       Holgate.                 Williams


                                  Gueye                           Schneiderlin

                                                    Sigurdsson
 
                       Bolasie.                      Tosun.                   Walcott

One of the D /M's to switch with Rooney / Davies depending on who we are playing.
                                                 

I reckon we'll see that for about 30mins one game, where it looks quite promising, but then never again
Title: Re: Everton on the Counter Attack....
Post by: dangermouse on January 16, 2018, 05:36:49 PM
This unbalanced argument keeps raising its head .... we do have players in positions we need but don't have a manager capable of playing them there imho...even after three attempts.

Consider we sign Walcott for a moment. Like to see us try

                                                      Pickford

                  Johnjoe Kenny.                                          Garbutt

                                       Holgate.                 Williams


                                  Gueye                           Schneiderlin

                                                    Sigurdsson
 
                       Bolasie.                      Tosun.                   Walcott

One of the D /M's to switch with Rooney / Davies depending on who we are playing.
                                                 

One thing missing from that... someone that can pass forward and create things. Two assists in that whole midfield this season. For me Sigurdsson plays his better football to far forward. The team has looked much better when Rooney has come deep I think...

I'll just say it.... I think we've missed Barkley.
Title: Re: Everton on the Counter Attack....
Post by: School of Science on January 16, 2018, 05:46:31 PM
One thing missing from that... someone that can pass forward and create things. Two assists in that whole midfield this season. For me Sigurdsson plays his better football to far forward. The team has looked much better when Rooney has come deep I think...

I'll just say it.... I think we've missed Barkley.

Still think we need an energetic Arteta type in the centre of our midfield, with that a left back and possibly Walcott I think we could progress again.