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Title: Usmanov
Post by: Django on January 21, 2018, 06:44:40 PM
Donít really know where to post this but suppose itís a target of some description.

Apparently people high up at United have got wind that Usmanov is coming on board in the summer and are shitting it.

Heís already here in capacity but wants in with the ground etc.

Hopefully this comes to fruition, youíd like to think heíd run a better ship than his mate.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Jamokachi on January 21, 2018, 06:54:24 PM
@Django (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4371) going in with the big guns...
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Macca77 on January 21, 2018, 06:57:03 PM
Sorry if im being dozy here but why would United be shitting it,?
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: blueToffee on January 21, 2018, 06:57:23 PM
Donít really know where to post this but suppose itís a target of some description.

Apparently people high up at United have got wind that Usmanov is coming on board in the summer and are shitting it.

Heís already here in capacity but wants in with the ground etc.

Hopefully this comes to fruition, youíd like to think heíd run a better ship than his mate.

Weíre certainly missing leadership. Would be the biggest thing we could do this summer.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 21, 2018, 06:57:27 PM
Don't really know where to post this but suppose it's a target of some description.

Apparently people high up at United have got wind that Usmanov is coming on board in the summer and are shitting it.

He's already here in capacity but wants in with the ground etc.

Hopefully this comes to fruition, you'd like to think he'd run a better ship than his mate.
Nice one pal, cheers for info
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Django on January 21, 2018, 06:57:47 PM
Time will tell I suppose, but source seems pretty happy with who itís coming from.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: SANA_DR0 on January 21, 2018, 06:59:25 PM
Donít really know where to post this but suppose itís a target of some description.

Apparently people high up at United have got wind that Usmanov is coming on board in the summer and are shitting it.

Heís already here in capacity but wants in with the ground etc.

Hopefully this comes to fruition, youíd like to think heíd run a better ship than his mate.


been dreaming of this for a year or so.. lol

hopefully he brings in a decent manager.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: blueToffee on January 21, 2018, 07:00:15 PM
Sorry if im being dozy here but why would United be shitting it,?

I didnít really get the link either, and makes me question the whole thing more. I suppose as itíd be another team with cash to challenge them (theoretically, ala Chelseaand Man City) so thatís detrimental to their chances of constantly finishing top 4.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Ridge on January 21, 2018, 07:00:46 PM
He's already on board in all but physical presence, it's not going to change much.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Lxxx on January 21, 2018, 07:00:56 PM
As long as he brings David Dein with him to rein Moshiri in and bring some football intelligence in how to run a football club.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: velimski on January 21, 2018, 07:01:07 PM
@Django (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4371) going in with the big guns...

We're talking RPG's and surface to air missiles here.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on January 21, 2018, 07:01:40 PM
Permission to get a bit excited.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: BlueMaquis on January 21, 2018, 07:03:29 PM
@Django (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4371) going in with the big guns...

Or just a coffin.. I thought these rumours were dead and buried
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Ross on January 21, 2018, 07:05:27 PM
I realise this is passed on in good faith but isnít it just the same thing people have been speculating on for the last 2 years?

Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Macca77 on January 21, 2018, 07:06:25 PM
Permission to get a bit excited.

Denied, save it til when it actually happens
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: blargins on January 21, 2018, 07:09:26 PM
Woohoo 4th place, here we come!!!
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Mayor Farnum on January 21, 2018, 07:10:17 PM
I didnít really get the link either, and makes me question the whole thing more. I suppose as itíd be another team with cash to challenge them (theoretically, ala Chelseaand Man City) so thatís detrimental to their chances of constantly finishing top 4.

The Man U part is classic rumour. The more gullible like a nice, big, unsubtle element that they can understand.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Goaljira on January 21, 2018, 07:13:04 PM
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Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: indiantoffee1975 on January 21, 2018, 07:17:35 PM
Would be the best news above any manager or player joining IF this happens in the summer.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Trowel on January 21, 2018, 07:22:53 PM
@Django (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4371) going in with the big guns...
(https://i.makeagif.com/media/8-26-2015/2OP0Zc.gif)
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Polledreng on January 21, 2018, 07:23:08 PM
I realise this is passed on in good faith but isnít it just the same thing people have been speculating on for the last 2 years?


it is but this is from Django so Iím rather sure this has some legs....
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Simon Paul on January 21, 2018, 07:25:18 PM
shame it's Sheffield United's board that are shitting it


poor buggers are getting Allardyce as their manager in August if this comes off!
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Lxxx on January 21, 2018, 07:29:24 PM
He could do a lot worse than look at that lot across the park in how to structure the football side of the business. They clearly have a strategy, a plan, a way of playing, a method of player recruitment which, in any other given season, would see them challenging for the title. All done while playing entertaining football and self sustainable by buying and selling wisely.

Pains me to say it but they're light years ahead both on and off that park.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Alanvideo on January 21, 2018, 07:38:49 PM
Permission to get a bit excited.
.................
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: TheRam on January 21, 2018, 07:43:48 PM
He's under investigation for buying out a company that was investigating him for money laundering, great stuff

I'm all for it. I think he's already running the show and Moshiri is just a front.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: GLewis on January 21, 2018, 08:24:45 PM
He could do a lot worse than look at that lot across the park in how to structure the football side of the business. They clearly have a strategy, a plan, a way of playing, a method of player recruitment which, in any other given season, would see them challenging for the title. All done while playing entertaining football and self sustainable by buying and selling wisely.

Pains me to say it but they're light years ahead both on and off that park.

They were all over the place for a bit though.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Bob Sacamano on January 21, 2018, 08:35:22 PM
Does coincide with the talks of a mega manager appointment in the summer too.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Audrey Horne on January 21, 2018, 08:45:52 PM
Does coincide with the talks of a mega manager appointment in the summer too.

Dont do this to yourself Bob!!
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on January 21, 2018, 08:46:22 PM
Anyone else worry that Usminov and Joe Anderson look like walking heart-attacks? Will they live long enough to make us great again?
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Ross on January 21, 2018, 08:51:38 PM
it is but this is from Django so Iím rather sure this has some legs....

Well weíll see.

Like I said Iím sure itís passed on in good faith but itís been talked about for a long time now and itís never come to anything yet.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Ridge on January 21, 2018, 09:10:33 PM
Anyone else worry that Usminov and Joe Anderson look like walking heart-attacks? Will they live long enough to make us great again?

I did actually wonder about this a while back, if Usmanov for some reason shuffled off his mortal coil, Moshiri would presumably own the club and no one to reclaim any debt.

At that point, would Moshiri look to sell the club and run off into the sunset, or would he push through with stadium and managing the club in his own way. I suspect the former if it happened before start of building the stadium and the latter if building had already started. If he did sell, it would potentially be the highest bidder, regardless of plans for club.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Lxxx on January 21, 2018, 09:15:50 PM
Does coincide with the talks of a mega manager appointment in the summer too.

Itís Wenger isnít it. 🤑
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Lxxx on January 21, 2018, 09:17:37 PM
Anyone else worry that Usminov and Joe Anderson look like walking heart-attacks? Will they live long enough to make us great again?

Best investment we could make this month is a personal trainer and nutritionist for big Joe.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Thornton_19 on January 21, 2018, 09:21:10 PM
It's Wenger isn't it. 🤑
I honestly see him getting the Madrid job. (Obviously sacked after 12 months)
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Lxxx on January 21, 2018, 09:35:43 PM
They were all over the place for a bit though.

Relatively speaking.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Macca77 on January 21, 2018, 09:45:53 PM
Ancelotti

You heard it here 4th
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: TheRam on January 21, 2018, 10:12:41 PM
Ancelotti

You heard it here 4th

He'd take us down
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: brap2 on January 21, 2018, 10:15:55 PM
Does coincide with the talks of a mega manager appointment in the summer too.

Thought the same.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Lincs Toffee on January 21, 2018, 10:34:51 PM
 Probably also explains the ďmoney no objectĒ comment from Moshiri
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on January 21, 2018, 10:44:00 PM
He could do a lot worse than look at that lot across the park in how to structure the football side of the business. They clearly have a strategy, a plan, a way of playing, a method of player recruitment which, in any other given season, would see them challenging for the title. All done while playing entertaining football and self sustainable by buying and selling wisely.

Pains me to say it but they're light years ahead both on and off that park.
Being rescued from admin by the league sponsors helped a bit..
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: montanatoffeefan on January 21, 2018, 10:50:16 PM
Sorry if im being dozy here but why would United be shitting it,?

Because everything else they've touched over the last few years has turned to shit.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: BlueNoseMike on January 21, 2018, 10:58:53 PM
@Django (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4371) putting his well earned ITK credibility on the line with this. Would be incredible if true but can't see it
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Tinga on January 21, 2018, 11:25:19 PM
In the same minute I seen this thread on Reddit.

https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/7rxu3t/twitter_thread_the_everton_banter_era_20052018/?utm_content=comments&utm_medium=hot&utm_source=reddit&utm_name=soccer

Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Bob Sacamano on January 21, 2018, 11:35:31 PM
Thought the same.

Iím so easily blagged when it comes to Everton. I kid myself like 99% of the time that weíre in the cusp of greatness.

Like I could easily convince myself that Sky Sports next story is that big Usmanov will take over as majority shareholder, Allardyce has been relieved of duties and weíve agreed compensation for Diego Simeone and heís flying into John Lennon for advanced talks.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Bob Sacamano on January 21, 2018, 11:36:25 PM
Even after writing that Iím sat here holding my breath waiting for the ads to finish and read the SSN yellow bar with this as the breaking news.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 21, 2018, 11:38:19 PM
Best investment we could make this month is a personal trainer and nutritionist for big Joe.

Knowing our luck we'd appoint the fitness team we had under martinez
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Bluedylan on January 21, 2018, 11:40:27 PM
Django with some next level ITKing here.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on January 21, 2018, 11:44:31 PM
What's the United link all about though?

Not doubting it, fully behind @Django (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4371)  with this as I can't think of a time that he's ever been wrong, but I just wonder why United are worried? It's not like they were worried when Arseal had Moshiri, Usmanov and countless other billionaires.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Bluedylan on January 21, 2018, 11:54:23 PM
What's the United link all about though?

Not doubting it, fully behind @Django (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4371)  with this as I can't think of a time that he's ever been wrong, but I just wonder why United are worried? It's not like they were worried when Arseal had Moshiri, Usmanov and countless other billionaires.

They perhaps wouldn't want one of the world's richest men, with something to prove, in sole control of a club on their doorstep?
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: eugene on January 22, 2018, 12:04:17 AM
What's the United link all about though?

Not doubting it, fully behind @Django (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4371)  with this as I can't think of a time that he's ever been wrong, but I just wonder why United are worried? It's not like they were worried when Arseal had Moshiri, Usmanov and countless other billionaires.
But Usmanov never had control at Arsenal I think this is what itís about, I think Mosh would just move sideways
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: eugene on January 22, 2018, 12:09:55 AM
But Usmanov never had control at Arsenal I think this is what it's about, I think Mosh would just move sideways
To put it in plain terms could Mosh be considered a scout to get in and settle the ground? If so job done.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Everton Mint on January 22, 2018, 12:15:46 AM
Sounds like he's willing to sell his Arsenal shares, just waiting for the right group:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/oct/04/alisher-usmanov-arsenal-shares-stan-kroenke

I think him selling them and taking over Everton is our only real hope: mega-money to attract the very obiggest players and manager.

The Moshiri-Kenwright situation is going nowhere and the latest signings and manager prove this.

I think the players know this too and why we have been in this kind of limbo for years. They know they are not good enough to challenge the top 6 and they dont have the fight the little clubs players have who are desperate to stay in the PL.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on January 22, 2018, 12:16:43 AM
But Usmanov never had control at Arsenal I think this is what itís about, I think Mosh would just move sideways
He wrote to Arsenals board in october complaining of a lack of ambition, bit stated he wouldn't be seling up there, hope he's changed his mind.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Tinga on January 22, 2018, 12:26:32 AM
...Just can't see it lads, sorry.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: eugene on January 22, 2018, 12:29:10 AM
...Just can't see it lads, sorry.
Wait until they start the digging at The docks and then I think he will come in
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: eugene on January 22, 2018, 12:30:07 AM
Wait until they start the digging at The docks and then I think he will come in
I really think itís nailed on but itís just my opinion
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: brap2 on January 22, 2018, 12:30:21 AM
...Just can't see it lads, sorry.

Guess the season ticket renewal campaign isnít doing as well as expected.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Craig_1878 on January 22, 2018, 12:30:32 AM
...Just can't see it lads, sorry.

Ahh gutted - might as well lock this one lads, Tinga cant see it happening :(
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Tinga on January 22, 2018, 12:33:04 AM
Ahh gutted - might as well lock this one lads, Tinga cant see it happening :(

Just wasn't meant to be, really. @Simon Paul (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=1) close this please.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: TheTone on January 22, 2018, 12:33:30 AM
The Mersey billionaires, is right
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Picko1975 on January 22, 2018, 12:33:42 AM
Iíve always thought, IF he was even thinking about coming in, then he would wait until any funding for the new stadium was actually formally signed with the council. That way he wouldnít need to think about having to put 300-400 million in without even touching the playing side of things. Could you imagine the fume from the redshite though if he came in shortly after the current board agreed the funding with the council  :snigger:
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Brownie20 on January 22, 2018, 12:36:02 AM
Iím so easily blagged when it comes to Everton. I kid myself like 99% of the time that weíre in the cusp of greatness.

Like I could easily convince myself that Sky Sports next story is that big Usmanov will take over as majority shareholder, Allardyce has been relieved of duties and weíve agreed compensation for Diego Simeone and heís flying into John Lennon for advanced talks.

Wednesday- 10am
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Zoolander on January 22, 2018, 12:36:37 AM
Probably does hinge on the planning permission for BMD. Once thatís confirmed investing in Everton and the surrounding area will make huge profits - the commercial opportunities around that area once the stadium has the green light are huge.
USM BMD....
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: eugene on January 22, 2018, 12:43:00 AM
Probably does hinge on the planning permission for BMD. Once that's confirmed investing in Everton and the surrounding area will make huge profits - the commercial opportunities around that area once the stadium has the green light are huge.
USM BMD....
I fully agree, itís a massive opportunity to invest in, letís not forget Mosh has already bought the liver building and Peel donít seem to be making any moves soon.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Alanvideo on January 22, 2018, 12:54:06 AM
I fully agree, itís a massive opportunity to invest in, letís not forget Mosh has already bought the liver building and Peel donít seem to be making any moves soon.
.................for the sake of accuracy , Moshiri is only the joint owner of the Liver Building in a consortium with Corestate. It was said at the AGM that EFC will move some staff in and take the entire 7th floor - but you can be sure the club will pay full market rent.
As others have said Moshiri ,and maybe Usmanov ,are attracted to Everton partly because of the North Docks development .
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Mayor Farnum on January 22, 2018, 12:58:21 AM
If Usmanov's coming on board why are we fucking about giving the council two thirds of the new stadium?
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: GLewis on January 22, 2018, 01:08:00 AM
If Usmanov's coming on board why are we fucking about giving the council two thirds of the new stadium?

Why would anyone want to pay for it if thereís a cheaper alternative?

However much money youíve got £500m is a lot so the club would be borrowing it from somewhere. 
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Lxxx on January 22, 2018, 01:09:18 AM
They perhaps wouldn't want one of the world's richest men, with something to prove, in sole control of a club on their doorstep?

It's also not in any of the top 6's interests to have that potentially enlarged to a top 7. I imagine most of the sponsorship deals the top clubs have are heavily predicated on Champions League qualification and the  exposure that playing in it gives those companies.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Cozzie on January 22, 2018, 01:09:35 AM
If Usmanov's coming on board why are we fucking about giving the council two thirds of the new stadium?

He may be the richest man in britain but if he could save 500M he obviously would.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Mayor Farnum on January 22, 2018, 01:11:05 AM
He may be the richest man in britain but if he could save 500M he obviously would.

Is he saving it or giving up a stake in something?
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: GLewis on January 22, 2018, 01:12:45 AM
Is he saving it or giving up a stake in something?

Council wonít be owning the ground. Theyíre guaranteeing the loan (which will be at lower rate than a private finance option).

If no council involvement weíd be paying x2 interest for example.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: blue slug on January 22, 2018, 01:18:29 AM
I so want this to be true that Iím going to believe in the power of djangos ITKing
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: TheRam on January 22, 2018, 01:27:08 AM
If Usmanov's coming on board why are we fucking about giving the council two thirds of the new stadium?

To make the kopites fume
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Silas on January 22, 2018, 01:43:20 AM
This would be huge.

Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: sam of the south on January 22, 2018, 01:45:40 AM
This would explain the Panorama spotlight, probably demanded and funded by the top 6!
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: bogie on January 22, 2018, 01:48:58 AM
This would explain the Panorama spotlight, probably demanded and funded by the top 6!

Stan Kroenke more like and letting all them players run there deals down so he can buy him out cheaper
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Shropshire Blue on January 22, 2018, 01:58:09 AM
Don't wish to appear too pessimistic about this because his sponsoring of FF shows he is interested at some level. However (correct me if I'm wrong) he can't be 'interested' in two clubs at the same time?
He would need to sell his shares in Arsenal first. Kroenke owns about 75% and Usmanov the rest give or take a few. If you're buying that many shares you want some influence but there is none because of Kroenke's majority share. So, whilst they are worth a lot in one sense who wants them in another? Kroenke doesn't need to buy them and refused to a few months ago.
Obviously what is said publicly may not be what the position is privately and that refusal may be no more than haggling over price
If this is 'on' then I suspect the first thing we see is news from Arsenal about share deals! If that happens it doesn't confirm anything from our point of view but I would indulge in a bit of dreaming and excitement at that point. It could also be the first step in Tranmere becoming a global football super power.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Alanvideo on January 22, 2018, 02:22:15 AM
If Usmanov's coming on board why are we fucking about giving the council two thirds of the new stadium?
................we're not. Joe Andersen gave the figures the other day ,something like this. The council have priority access to finance at say 3% and then loan it to EFC at say 5% . LCC will make £7m p.a.it was said.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Ravardo on January 22, 2018, 02:22:20 AM
I think the only thing united are worried about is that we will finally have some proper business men running the club meaning they wont be able to unload all there shit onto us anymore
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Alanvideo on January 22, 2018, 02:31:39 AM
Don't wish to appear too pessimistic about this because his sponsoring of FF shows he is interested at some level. However (correct me if I'm wrong) he can't be 'interested' in two clubs at the same time?
He would need to sell his shares in Arsenal first. Kroenke owns about 75% and Usmanov the rest give or take a few. If you're buying that many shares you want some influence but there is none because of Kroenke's majority share. So, whilst they are worth a lot in one sense who wants them in another? Kroenke doesn't need to buy them and refused to a few months ago.
Obviously what is said publicly may not be what the position is privately and that refusal may be no more than haggling over price
If this is 'on' then I suspect the first thing we see is news from Arsenal about share deals! If that happens it doesn't confirm anything from our point of view but I would indulge in a bit of dreaming and excitement at that point. It could also be the first step in Tranmere becoming a global football super power.
..............as recently as Oct 2017 Kroenke bid £525m to buy out Usmanov's stake .As I understand it it's Usmanov who is unwilling to sell to Kroenke.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/oct/04/alisher-usmanov-arsenal-shares-stan-kroenke
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Shropshire Blue on January 22, 2018, 03:47:47 AM
That's more hopeful but it does mean we are still dependent on Kroenke to make (from Usamov''s view') a reasonable offer.
I'm thinking it will happen but who knows when. There has to be something in it for Kroenke, whether that be the timing, some other thing we'll never know about or what he perceives as a good cash offer.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Ell Capitan on January 22, 2018, 03:52:05 AM
He could do a lot worse than look at that lot across the park in how to structure the football side of the business. They clearly have a strategy, a plan, a way of playing, a method of player recruitment which, in any other given season, would see them challenging for the title. All done while playing entertaining football and self sustainable by buying and selling wisely.

Pains me to say it but they're light years ahead both on and off that park.

I'd prefer a strategy that ends in us winning a trophy thanks.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Waltzer on January 22, 2018, 03:58:39 AM
..............as recently as Oct 2017 Kroenke bid £525m to buy out Usmanov's stake .As I understand it it's Usmanov who is unwilling to sell to Kroenke.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/oct/04/alisher-usmanov-arsenal-shares-stan-kroenke
I think this is more like it. Id love Usmanov to come in but I don't believe he wants to. It'd be relatively easy for him to move, but he hasn't, he declares his love and passion for arsenal all the time
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Ell Capitan on January 22, 2018, 03:59:45 AM
Nice one @Django (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4371) but I won't believe it till it's been confirmed by @D15TIN (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=2618)'s source.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: sam of the south on January 22, 2018, 04:02:59 AM
But surely if he does come on board it will only prove that it was dodgy all along, and it will blocked by the EPL anyway?
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Thornton_19 on January 22, 2018, 04:07:10 AM
But surely if he does come on board it will only prove that it was dodgy all along, and it will blocked by the EPL anyway?
If he sells his shares in Arsenal then buys into us. He isn't doing anything illegal. Will be the exact same situation as when Moshiri bought into us.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: stirlingblue on January 22, 2018, 04:08:38 AM
If he sells his shares in Arsenal then buys into us. He isn't doing anything illegal. Will be the exact same situation as when Moshiri bought into us.

The league will never block another new person with a big pile of cash, they want the league to have all the stars and more 'big' (rich) clubs helps that
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Confucius on January 22, 2018, 04:17:07 AM
I really think it's nailed on but it's just my opinion

You chatting to yourself? Weird one.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: plowman2 on January 22, 2018, 04:31:24 AM
Before this season I don't think I would have been happy about some loads of money coming in and buying us a CL place or even the league, but after the absolute agony of this shit we've suffered so far I'm more than willing to entertain being some money bags toy for a while. The only reserve I have is that when he gets bored, we will probably be in even bigger shit, like disappearing shit.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Danny on January 22, 2018, 05:07:17 AM
Before this season I don't think I would have been happy about some loads of money coming in and buying us a CL place or even the league, but after the absolute agony of this shit we've suffered so far I'm more than willing to entertain being some money bags toy for a while. The only reserve I have is that when he gets bored, we will probably be in even bigger shit, like disappearing shit.

I was the same but realistically now you have to be owned by a billionaire, even then it's not guaranteeing success.

After City it was still believable you could work your way up (as Spurs have shown) but the problem is that you now have the whole top 6 who are mega rich or very rich, Leicester who are very rich and then a couple of other clubs with big backing and it's getting to the point now where Wolves could come up in the next few years and outspend us.

If we aren't set up with a new stadium and stabilised as a long term premier league club soon in a few years Moshiri's wealth will be comparable with Kenwrights a few years back respective to the teams around us.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Bluedylan on January 22, 2018, 04:08:04 PM
This is all over other Everton forums and twitter now (from @Django (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4371)).

No pressure :)
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: dunkster on January 22, 2018, 04:10:04 PM
Lol..poor old evertonians allowing ourself more torment
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Macca77 on January 22, 2018, 05:00:48 PM
One of the ITK'S on TEF has sort of backed this story up, saying Kenwright will be gone by March
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: eugene on January 22, 2018, 05:57:09 PM
You chatting to yourself? Weird one.
No just posting an afterthought
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 22, 2018, 06:14:35 PM
This is all over other Everton forums and twitter now (from @Django (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4371)).

No pressure :)
Aye its on TEF quoted form @Django (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4371)
A lad who seems ITK'd has backed it up as @Macca77 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=1930) says
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on January 22, 2018, 06:40:09 PM
but but but the esk said.......
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Redartin on January 22, 2018, 06:52:06 PM
To put it in plain terms could Mosh be considered a scout to get in and settle the ground? If so job done.

Settled?
Us?
If anything we are in more turmoil than when he arrived.

Maybe that's the game plan - fuck things up big time, appoint shit managers, etc, and the fans will be willing to accept anything as a replacement.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: wilbur on January 22, 2018, 06:55:05 PM
That's already happened.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Everton Mint on January 22, 2018, 06:59:15 PM
There must be something behind the total shambles
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Jamokachi on January 23, 2018, 02:46:58 PM
There must be something behind the total shambles

The thing is, away from the pitch, we're not a shambles at all. We just need to find a way of translating how good we are off the pitch, onto it. Answers on a postcard please.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Waltzer on January 23, 2018, 02:58:35 PM
The thing is, away from the pitch, we're not a shambles at all. We just need to find a way of translating how good we are off the pitch, onto it. Answers on a postcard please.

I beg to differ, there are some commercial deals that have been a success but there are loads of things that seem to take an age for us to conclude. We've had numerous protracted transfers that have failed to materialise, or we end up spending millions more than we should. We employed a DoF who seems clueless, chased down managers for over a month and still didnt get him, and ended up with someone we'd previously rejected. Even the stadium is taking an age to get over the line. I do agree that certain aspects are better, but were a million miles behind teams like Man U, city, Arsenal, Chelsea, Spurs and Liverpool on and off the field
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: GLewis on January 23, 2018, 03:02:26 PM
Weíre 20th in the Deloitte money league...

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/11218807/manchester-united-pip-real-madrid-to-top-deloitte-money-league

But only 10th in the PL.

I know itís only revenue based but weíre not actually in a massively better position that teams we consider also rans.

From their CL run last year Leicester pulled in £60m more than us.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Jamokachi on January 23, 2018, 03:18:36 PM
I beg to differ, there are some commercial deals that have been a success but there are loads of things that seem to take an age for us to conclude. We've had numerous protracted transfers that have failed to materialise, or we end up spending millions more than we should. We employed a DoF who seems clueless, chased down managers for over a month and still didnt get him, and ended up with someone we'd previously rejected. Even the stadium is taking an age to get over the line. I do agree that certain aspects are better, but were a million miles behind teams like Man U, city, Arsenal, Chelsea, Spurs and Liverpool on and off the field

Sounds to me like you want everything done yesterday. You're also confusing "off field" and "on field".
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Cozzie on January 23, 2018, 03:30:28 PM
The fact that we are behind Southampton and West ham is fucking attrocious.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Jamokachi on January 23, 2018, 03:34:41 PM
The fact that we are behind Southampton and West ham is fucking attrocious.

Easy to see why they make more from their grounds though.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Cozzie on January 23, 2018, 03:36:26 PM
Easy to see why they make more from their grounds though.

Suppose with West ham yes.

For southampton I take it they took into account the billions the shite have given them down the years?
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Jamokachi on January 23, 2018, 03:39:41 PM
Suppose with West ham yes.

For southampton I take it they took into account the billions the shite have given them down the years?

Possibly. Though their ground is smaller it is much newer, and as such will be maximising their income from it.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: GLewis on January 23, 2018, 03:45:50 PM
Guessing their ticket prices are quite high?

Although Iíve no actual knowledge of the socio-economic situation in Southampton... :eh:
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Lxxx on January 23, 2018, 04:10:40 PM
Finishing in the top 8 last four seasons, having a stable board, a DoF that seems to know how to do his job properly and a sensible, self sustainable transfer strategy will all help them get to where they are. Clearly having a blip so far this season but wouldn't bet against them finishing comfortably mid table.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: van der Meyde on January 23, 2018, 04:38:39 PM
Guessing their ticket prices are quite high?

Although Iíve no actual knowledge of the socio-economic situation in Southampton... :eh:
More the League Cup run and Europa group games, I would imagine.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Waltzer on January 23, 2018, 06:46:09 PM
Sounds to me like you want everything done yesterday. You're also confusing "off field" and "on field".

Am I? I always treat 'on the field' as the team and players we have, I haven't referenced anything. As far as im concerned transfers and managerial appointments are all tasks undertaken 'off the field' its only when they come to fruition that they then convert to 'on field' issues, and then thats the domain of the manager. And I dont want things done yesterday, although our levels of professionalism, in my opinion, is still a long way behind others
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Macca77 on January 23, 2018, 07:32:03 PM
Arsenal owner Stan Kroenke has bought 22 more shares at £28,000 each. Owns 41,743 representing 67.09%
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: brap2 on January 23, 2018, 08:31:53 PM
Weíre 20th in the Deloitte money league...

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/11218807/manchester-united-pip-real-madrid-to-top-deloitte-money-league

But only 10th in the PL.

I know itís only revenue based but weíre not actually in a massively better position that teams we consider also rans.

From their CL run last year Leicester pulled in £60m more than us.

Really would like to understand why and how our commercial growth YoY looks so paltry - what is Other Commercial? That actually dropped YoY.

Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Lincs Toffee on January 23, 2018, 08:42:36 PM
Arsenal owner Stan Kroenke has bought 22 more shares at £28,000 each. Owns 41,743 representing 67.09%
Is that from Usmanov?...if so how may shares does he have left, any ideas mate ?
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Lxxx on January 23, 2018, 08:45:11 PM
Is that from Usmanov?...if so how may shares does he have left, any ideas mate ?

Nah probably just mopping up the dregs.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Lincs Toffee on January 23, 2018, 08:46:57 PM
Nah probably just mopping up the dregs.
I guessed as much, if Usmanov is going to sell, he'll want to sell them all
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Alanvideo on January 23, 2018, 09:39:45 PM
According to Wikipedia Usmanov owns about 18,000 shares  i.e. 29%. Don't know if that's up to date.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Toddacelli on January 23, 2018, 10:45:54 PM
I would imagine that because of the animosity between Usmanov and Kroenke that Usmanov could sell to someone who will claim to have no ties with Usmanov but has an agreement to frustrate Kroenke at every available opportunity.

If he goes.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: School of Science on January 23, 2018, 11:04:00 PM
Nah probably just mopping up the dregs.

Must be disheartening to see that greedy Bastard Kroenke hovering up shares he doesn't need.
Just come to us lad you know it makes sense.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Goaljira on January 24, 2018, 12:41:34 AM
Arsenal owner Stan Kroenke has bought 22 more shares at £28,000 each. Owns 41,743 representing 67.09%

Putting Arsenal's value at around £1.5B 

Not too shabby like
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: eugene on January 24, 2018, 12:46:56 AM
Putting Arsenal's value at around £1.5B 

Not too shabby like
All down to the ground,corporate facilities and sponsorship play it how we should and it could come to us, and thatís what Mosh and Usmanov are after
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Escla on January 24, 2018, 12:51:43 AM
All down to the ground,corporate facilities and sponsorship play it how we should and it could come to us, and thatís what Mosh and Usmanov are after

And the fact that itís a huge piece of real estate in the heart of the capital city.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Lxxx on January 24, 2018, 12:56:20 AM
And the fact that it’s a huge piece of real estate in the heart of the capital city.

Which is the real reason they get so many fans, corporate and otherwise. I've been a few times and you can see most of the new fans weren't around in the Highbury days, the huge population growth in London feeds in to the football clubs hoovering up loads of extra fans every year.   
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: brap2 on January 24, 2018, 01:09:14 AM
Which is the real reason they get so many fans, corporate and otherwise. I've been a few times and you can see most of the new fans weren't around in the Highbury days, the huge population growth in London feeds in to the football clubs hoovering up loads of extra fans every year.   

Improved stadium capacity and facilities is directly correlated to amount of business a stadium takes.

There will be other factors of course but it does tend to follow apparently.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Jamokachi on January 24, 2018, 02:04:32 AM
Am I? I always treat 'on the field' as the team and players we have, I haven't referenced anything. As far as im concerned transfers and managerial appointments are all tasks undertaken 'off the field' its only when they come to fruition that they then convert to 'on field' issues, and then thats the domain of the manager. And I dont want things done yesterday, although our levels of professionalism, in my opinion, is still a long way behind others

Director of football, managers, player transfers... all correlate toward on field matters.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Ravardo on January 24, 2018, 05:45:26 AM
I saw somewhere the otherday stating usmanov and kroenke own 97% between them
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Cozzie on January 24, 2018, 03:25:19 PM
I saw somewhere the otherday stating usmanov and kroenke own 97% between them

Usmanov owns 30.4%

Kroenke owns 67.9%

Kroenke has been buying out more shares at £28,000 a pop even though it has no effect on his ownership. Hopefully showing that he would deffo be willing to buy Usmanov out if need be.