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Title: Usmanov
Post by: Django on January 21, 2018, 06:44:40 PM
Don’t really know where to post this but suppose it’s a target of some description.

Apparently people high up at United have got wind that Usmanov is coming on board in the summer and are shitting it.

He’s already here in capacity but wants in with the ground etc.

Hopefully this comes to fruition, you’d like to think he’d run a better ship than his mate.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Jamokachi on January 21, 2018, 06:54:24 PM
@Django (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4371) going in with the big guns...
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Macca77 on January 21, 2018, 06:57:03 PM
Sorry if im being dozy here but why would United be shitting it,?
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: blueToffee on January 21, 2018, 06:57:23 PM
Don’t really know where to post this but suppose it’s a target of some description.

Apparently people high up at United have got wind that Usmanov is coming on board in the summer and are shitting it.

He’s already here in capacity but wants in with the ground etc.

Hopefully this comes to fruition, you’d like to think he’d run a better ship than his mate.

We’re certainly missing leadership. Would be the biggest thing we could do this summer.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 21, 2018, 06:57:27 PM
Don't really know where to post this but suppose it's a target of some description.

Apparently people high up at United have got wind that Usmanov is coming on board in the summer and are shitting it.

He's already here in capacity but wants in with the ground etc.

Hopefully this comes to fruition, you'd like to think he'd run a better ship than his mate.
Nice one pal, cheers for info
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Django on January 21, 2018, 06:57:47 PM
Time will tell I suppose, but source seems pretty happy with who it’s coming from.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: SANA_DR0 on January 21, 2018, 06:59:25 PM
Don’t really know where to post this but suppose it’s a target of some description.

Apparently people high up at United have got wind that Usmanov is coming on board in the summer and are shitting it.

He’s already here in capacity but wants in with the ground etc.

Hopefully this comes to fruition, you’d like to think he’d run a better ship than his mate.


been dreaming of this for a year or so.. lol

hopefully he brings in a decent manager.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: blueToffee on January 21, 2018, 07:00:15 PM
Sorry if im being dozy here but why would United be shitting it,?

I didn’t really get the link either, and makes me question the whole thing more. I suppose as it’d be another team with cash to challenge them (theoretically, ala Chelseaand Man City) so that’s detrimental to their chances of constantly finishing top 4.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Ridge on January 21, 2018, 07:00:46 PM
He's already on board in all but physical presence, it's not going to change much.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Lxxx on January 21, 2018, 07:00:56 PM
As long as he brings David Dein with him to rein Moshiri in and bring some football intelligence in how to run a football club.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: velimski on January 21, 2018, 07:01:07 PM
@Django (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4371) going in with the big guns...

We're talking RPG's and surface to air missiles here.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: MmmblueBernard on January 21, 2018, 07:01:40 PM
Permission to get a bit excited.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: BlueMaquis on January 21, 2018, 07:03:29 PM
@Django (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4371) going in with the big guns...

Or just a coffin.. I thought these rumours were dead and buried
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Ross on January 21, 2018, 07:05:27 PM
I realise this is passed on in good faith but isn’t it just the same thing people have been speculating on for the last 2 years?

Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Macca77 on January 21, 2018, 07:06:25 PM
Permission to get a bit excited.

Denied, save it til when it actually happens
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: blargins on January 21, 2018, 07:09:26 PM
Woohoo 4th place, here we come!!!
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Mayor Farnum on January 21, 2018, 07:10:17 PM
I didn’t really get the link either, and makes me question the whole thing more. I suppose as it’d be another team with cash to challenge them (theoretically, ala Chelseaand Man City) so that’s detrimental to their chances of constantly finishing top 4.

The Man U part is classic rumour. The more gullible like a nice, big, unsubtle element that they can understand.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Goaljira on January 21, 2018, 07:13:04 PM
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Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: indiantoffee1975 on January 21, 2018, 07:17:35 PM
Would be the best news above any manager or player joining IF this happens in the summer.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Trowel on January 21, 2018, 07:22:53 PM
@Django (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4371) going in with the big guns...
(https://i.makeagif.com/media/8-26-2015/2OP0Zc.gif)
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Polledreng on January 21, 2018, 07:23:08 PM
I realise this is passed on in good faith but isn’t it just the same thing people have been speculating on for the last 2 years?


it is but this is from Django so I’m rather sure this has some legs....
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Simon Paul on January 21, 2018, 07:25:18 PM
shame it's Sheffield United's board that are shitting it


poor buggers are getting Allardyce as their manager in August if this comes off!
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Lxxx on January 21, 2018, 07:29:24 PM
He could do a lot worse than look at that lot across the park in how to structure the football side of the business. They clearly have a strategy, a plan, a way of playing, a method of player recruitment which, in any other given season, would see them challenging for the title. All done while playing entertaining football and self sustainable by buying and selling wisely.

Pains me to say it but they're light years ahead both on and off that park.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Alanvideo on January 21, 2018, 07:38:49 PM
Permission to get a bit excited.
.................
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: TheRam on January 21, 2018, 07:43:48 PM
He's under investigation for buying out a company that was investigating him for money laundering, great stuff

I'm all for it. I think he's already running the show and Moshiri is just a front.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: GLewis on January 21, 2018, 08:24:45 PM
He could do a lot worse than look at that lot across the park in how to structure the football side of the business. They clearly have a strategy, a plan, a way of playing, a method of player recruitment which, in any other given season, would see them challenging for the title. All done while playing entertaining football and self sustainable by buying and selling wisely.

Pains me to say it but they're light years ahead both on and off that park.

They were all over the place for a bit though.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Bob Sacamano on January 21, 2018, 08:35:22 PM
Does coincide with the talks of a mega manager appointment in the summer too.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Audrey Horne on January 21, 2018, 08:45:52 PM
Does coincide with the talks of a mega manager appointment in the summer too.

Dont do this to yourself Bob!!
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on January 21, 2018, 08:46:22 PM
Anyone else worry that Usminov and Joe Anderson look like walking heart-attacks? Will they live long enough to make us great again?
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Ross on January 21, 2018, 08:51:38 PM
it is but this is from Django so I’m rather sure this has some legs....

Well we’ll see.

Like I said I’m sure it’s passed on in good faith but it’s been talked about for a long time now and it’s never come to anything yet.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Ridge on January 21, 2018, 09:10:33 PM
Anyone else worry that Usminov and Joe Anderson look like walking heart-attacks? Will they live long enough to make us great again?

I did actually wonder about this a while back, if Usmanov for some reason shuffled off his mortal coil, Moshiri would presumably own the club and no one to reclaim any debt.

At that point, would Moshiri look to sell the club and run off into the sunset, or would he push through with stadium and managing the club in his own way. I suspect the former if it happened before start of building the stadium and the latter if building had already started. If he did sell, it would potentially be the highest bidder, regardless of plans for club.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Lxxx on January 21, 2018, 09:15:50 PM
Does coincide with the talks of a mega manager appointment in the summer too.

It’s Wenger isn’t it. 🤑
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Lxxx on January 21, 2018, 09:17:37 PM
Anyone else worry that Usminov and Joe Anderson look like walking heart-attacks? Will they live long enough to make us great again?

Best investment we could make this month is a personal trainer and nutritionist for big Joe.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Thornton_19 on January 21, 2018, 09:21:10 PM
It's Wenger isn't it. 🤑
I honestly see him getting the Madrid job. (Obviously sacked after 12 months)
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Lxxx on January 21, 2018, 09:35:43 PM
They were all over the place for a bit though.

Relatively speaking.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Macca77 on January 21, 2018, 09:45:53 PM
Ancelotti

You heard it here 4th
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: TheRam on January 21, 2018, 10:12:41 PM
Ancelotti

You heard it here 4th

He'd take us down
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: brap2 on January 21, 2018, 10:15:55 PM
Does coincide with the talks of a mega manager appointment in the summer too.

Thought the same.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Lincs Toffee on January 21, 2018, 10:34:51 PM
 Probably also explains the “money no object” comment from Moshiri
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on January 21, 2018, 10:44:00 PM
He could do a lot worse than look at that lot across the park in how to structure the football side of the business. They clearly have a strategy, a plan, a way of playing, a method of player recruitment which, in any other given season, would see them challenging for the title. All done while playing entertaining football and self sustainable by buying and selling wisely.

Pains me to say it but they're light years ahead both on and off that park.
Being rescued from admin by the league sponsors helped a bit..
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: montanatoffeefan on January 21, 2018, 10:50:16 PM
Sorry if im being dozy here but why would United be shitting it,?

Because everything else they've touched over the last few years has turned to shit.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: BlueNoseMike on January 21, 2018, 10:58:53 PM
@Django (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4371) putting his well earned ITK credibility on the line with this. Would be incredible if true but can't see it
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Tinga on January 21, 2018, 11:25:19 PM
In the same minute I seen this thread on Reddit.

https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/7rxu3t/twitter_thread_the_everton_banter_era_20052018/?utm_content=comments&utm_medium=hot&utm_source=reddit&utm_name=soccer

Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Bob Sacamano on January 21, 2018, 11:35:31 PM
Thought the same.

I’m so easily blagged when it comes to Everton. I kid myself like 99% of the time that we’re in the cusp of greatness.

Like I could easily convince myself that Sky Sports next story is that big Usmanov will take over as majority shareholder, Allardyce has been relieved of duties and we’ve agreed compensation for Diego Simeone and he’s flying into John Lennon for advanced talks.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Bob Sacamano on January 21, 2018, 11:36:25 PM
Even after writing that I’m sat here holding my breath waiting for the ads to finish and read the SSN yellow bar with this as the breaking news.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 21, 2018, 11:38:19 PM
Best investment we could make this month is a personal trainer and nutritionist for big Joe.

Knowing our luck we'd appoint the fitness team we had under martinez
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Bluedylan on January 21, 2018, 11:40:27 PM
Django with some next level ITKing here.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on January 21, 2018, 11:44:31 PM
What's the United link all about though?

Not doubting it, fully behind @Django (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4371)  with this as I can't think of a time that he's ever been wrong, but I just wonder why United are worried? It's not like they were worried when Arseal had Moshiri, Usmanov and countless other billionaires.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Bluedylan on January 21, 2018, 11:54:23 PM
What's the United link all about though?

Not doubting it, fully behind @Django (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4371)  with this as I can't think of a time that he's ever been wrong, but I just wonder why United are worried? It's not like they were worried when Arseal had Moshiri, Usmanov and countless other billionaires.

They perhaps wouldn't want one of the world's richest men, with something to prove, in sole control of a club on their doorstep?
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: eugene on January 22, 2018, 12:04:17 AM
What's the United link all about though?

Not doubting it, fully behind @Django (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4371)  with this as I can't think of a time that he's ever been wrong, but I just wonder why United are worried? It's not like they were worried when Arseal had Moshiri, Usmanov and countless other billionaires.
But Usmanov never had control at Arsenal I think this is what it’s about, I think Mosh would just move sideways
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: eugene on January 22, 2018, 12:09:55 AM
But Usmanov never had control at Arsenal I think this is what it's about, I think Mosh would just move sideways
To put it in plain terms could Mosh be considered a scout to get in and settle the ground? If so job done.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Everton Mint on January 22, 2018, 12:15:46 AM
Sounds like he's willing to sell his Arsenal shares, just waiting for the right group:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/oct/04/alisher-usmanov-arsenal-shares-stan-kroenke

I think him selling them and taking over Everton is our only real hope: mega-money to attract the very obiggest players and manager.

The Moshiri-Kenwright situation is going nowhere and the latest signings and manager prove this.

I think the players know this too and why we have been in this kind of limbo for years. They know they are not good enough to challenge the top 6 and they dont have the fight the little clubs players have who are desperate to stay in the PL.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on January 22, 2018, 12:16:43 AM
But Usmanov never had control at Arsenal I think this is what it’s about, I think Mosh would just move sideways
He wrote to Arsenals board in october complaining of a lack of ambition, bit stated he wouldn't be seling up there, hope he's changed his mind.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Tinga on January 22, 2018, 12:26:32 AM
...Just can't see it lads, sorry.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: eugene on January 22, 2018, 12:29:10 AM
...Just can't see it lads, sorry.
Wait until they start the digging at The docks and then I think he will come in
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: eugene on January 22, 2018, 12:30:07 AM
Wait until they start the digging at The docks and then I think he will come in
I really think it’s nailed on but it’s just my opinion
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: brap2 on January 22, 2018, 12:30:21 AM
...Just can't see it lads, sorry.

Guess the season ticket renewal campaign isn’t doing as well as expected.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Craig_1878 on January 22, 2018, 12:30:32 AM
...Just can't see it lads, sorry.

Ahh gutted - might as well lock this one lads, Tinga cant see it happening :(
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Tinga on January 22, 2018, 12:33:04 AM
Ahh gutted - might as well lock this one lads, Tinga cant see it happening :(

Just wasn't meant to be, really. @Simon Paul (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=1) close this please.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: TheTone on January 22, 2018, 12:33:30 AM
The Mersey billionaires, is right
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Picko1975 on January 22, 2018, 12:33:42 AM
I’ve always thought, IF he was even thinking about coming in, then he would wait until any funding for the new stadium was actually formally signed with the council. That way he wouldn’t need to think about having to put 300-400 million in without even touching the playing side of things. Could you imagine the fume from the redshite though if he came in shortly after the current board agreed the funding with the council  :snigger:
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Brownie on January 22, 2018, 12:36:02 AM
I’m so easily blagged when it comes to Everton. I kid myself like 99% of the time that we’re in the cusp of greatness.

Like I could easily convince myself that Sky Sports next story is that big Usmanov will take over as majority shareholder, Allardyce has been relieved of duties and we’ve agreed compensation for Diego Simeone and he’s flying into John Lennon for advanced talks.

Wednesday- 10am
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Zoolander on January 22, 2018, 12:36:37 AM
Probably does hinge on the planning permission for BMD. Once that’s confirmed investing in Everton and the surrounding area will make huge profits - the commercial opportunities around that area once the stadium has the green light are huge.
USM BMD....
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: eugene on January 22, 2018, 12:43:00 AM
Probably does hinge on the planning permission for BMD. Once that's confirmed investing in Everton and the surrounding area will make huge profits - the commercial opportunities around that area once the stadium has the green light are huge.
USM BMD....
I fully agree, it’s a massive opportunity to invest in, let’s not forget Mosh has already bought the liver building and Peel don’t seem to be making any moves soon.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Alanvideo on January 22, 2018, 12:54:06 AM
I fully agree, it’s a massive opportunity to invest in, let’s not forget Mosh has already bought the liver building and Peel don’t seem to be making any moves soon.
.................for the sake of accuracy , Moshiri is only the joint owner of the Liver Building in a consortium with Corestate. It was said at the AGM that EFC will move some staff in and take the entire 7th floor - but you can be sure the club will pay full market rent.
As others have said Moshiri ,and maybe Usmanov ,are attracted to Everton partly because of the North Docks development .
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Mayor Farnum on January 22, 2018, 12:58:21 AM
If Usmanov's coming on board why are we fucking about giving the council two thirds of the new stadium?
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: GLewis on January 22, 2018, 01:08:00 AM
If Usmanov's coming on board why are we fucking about giving the council two thirds of the new stadium?

Why would anyone want to pay for it if there’s a cheaper alternative?

However much money you’ve got £500m is a lot so the club would be borrowing it from somewhere. 
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Lxxx on January 22, 2018, 01:09:18 AM
They perhaps wouldn't want one of the world's richest men, with something to prove, in sole control of a club on their doorstep?

It's also not in any of the top 6's interests to have that potentially enlarged to a top 7. I imagine most of the sponsorship deals the top clubs have are heavily predicated on Champions League qualification and the  exposure that playing in it gives those companies.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Cozzie on January 22, 2018, 01:09:35 AM
If Usmanov's coming on board why are we fucking about giving the council two thirds of the new stadium?

He may be the richest man in britain but if he could save 500M he obviously would.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Mayor Farnum on January 22, 2018, 01:11:05 AM
He may be the richest man in britain but if he could save 500M he obviously would.

Is he saving it or giving up a stake in something?
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: GLewis on January 22, 2018, 01:12:45 AM
Is he saving it or giving up a stake in something?

Council won’t be owning the ground. They’re guaranteeing the loan (which will be at lower rate than a private finance option).

If no council involvement we’d be paying x2 interest for example.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: blue slug on January 22, 2018, 01:18:29 AM
I so want this to be true that I’m going to believe in the power of djangos ITKing
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: TheRam on January 22, 2018, 01:27:08 AM
If Usmanov's coming on board why are we fucking about giving the council two thirds of the new stadium?

To make the kopites fume
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Silas on January 22, 2018, 01:43:20 AM
This would be huge.

Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: sam of the south on January 22, 2018, 01:45:40 AM
This would explain the Panorama spotlight, probably demanded and funded by the top 6!
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: bogie on January 22, 2018, 01:48:58 AM
This would explain the Panorama spotlight, probably demanded and funded by the top 6!

Stan Kroenke more like and letting all them players run there deals down so he can buy him out cheaper
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Shropshire Blue on January 22, 2018, 01:58:09 AM
Don't wish to appear too pessimistic about this because his sponsoring of FF shows he is interested at some level. However (correct me if I'm wrong) he can't be 'interested' in two clubs at the same time?
He would need to sell his shares in Arsenal first. Kroenke owns about 75% and Usmanov the rest give or take a few. If you're buying that many shares you want some influence but there is none because of Kroenke's majority share. So, whilst they are worth a lot in one sense who wants them in another? Kroenke doesn't need to buy them and refused to a few months ago.
Obviously what is said publicly may not be what the position is privately and that refusal may be no more than haggling over price
If this is 'on' then I suspect the first thing we see is news from Arsenal about share deals! If that happens it doesn't confirm anything from our point of view but I would indulge in a bit of dreaming and excitement at that point. It could also be the first step in Tranmere becoming a global football super power.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Alanvideo on January 22, 2018, 02:22:15 AM
If Usmanov's coming on board why are we fucking about giving the council two thirds of the new stadium?
................we're not. Joe Andersen gave the figures the other day ,something like this. The council have priority access to finance at say 3% and then loan it to EFC at say 5% . LCC will make £7m p.a.it was said.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Ravardo on January 22, 2018, 02:22:20 AM
I think the only thing united are worried about is that we will finally have some proper business men running the club meaning they wont be able to unload all there shit onto us anymore
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Alanvideo on January 22, 2018, 02:31:39 AM
Don't wish to appear too pessimistic about this because his sponsoring of FF shows he is interested at some level. However (correct me if I'm wrong) he can't be 'interested' in two clubs at the same time?
He would need to sell his shares in Arsenal first. Kroenke owns about 75% and Usmanov the rest give or take a few. If you're buying that many shares you want some influence but there is none because of Kroenke's majority share. So, whilst they are worth a lot in one sense who wants them in another? Kroenke doesn't need to buy them and refused to a few months ago.
Obviously what is said publicly may not be what the position is privately and that refusal may be no more than haggling over price
If this is 'on' then I suspect the first thing we see is news from Arsenal about share deals! If that happens it doesn't confirm anything from our point of view but I would indulge in a bit of dreaming and excitement at that point. It could also be the first step in Tranmere becoming a global football super power.
..............as recently as Oct 2017 Kroenke bid £525m to buy out Usmanov's stake .As I understand it it's Usmanov who is unwilling to sell to Kroenke.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/oct/04/alisher-usmanov-arsenal-shares-stan-kroenke
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Shropshire Blue on January 22, 2018, 03:47:47 AM
That's more hopeful but it does mean we are still dependent on Kroenke to make (from Usamov''s view') a reasonable offer.
I'm thinking it will happen but who knows when. There has to be something in it for Kroenke, whether that be the timing, some other thing we'll never know about or what he perceives as a good cash offer.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Ell Capitan on January 22, 2018, 03:52:05 AM
He could do a lot worse than look at that lot across the park in how to structure the football side of the business. They clearly have a strategy, a plan, a way of playing, a method of player recruitment which, in any other given season, would see them challenging for the title. All done while playing entertaining football and self sustainable by buying and selling wisely.

Pains me to say it but they're light years ahead both on and off that park.

I'd prefer a strategy that ends in us winning a trophy thanks.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Waltzer on January 22, 2018, 03:58:39 AM
..............as recently as Oct 2017 Kroenke bid £525m to buy out Usmanov's stake .As I understand it it's Usmanov who is unwilling to sell to Kroenke.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/oct/04/alisher-usmanov-arsenal-shares-stan-kroenke
I think this is more like it. Id love Usmanov to come in but I don't believe he wants to. It'd be relatively easy for him to move, but he hasn't, he declares his love and passion for arsenal all the time
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Ell Capitan on January 22, 2018, 03:59:45 AM
Nice one @Django (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4371) but I won't believe it till it's been confirmed by @D15TIN (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=2618)'s source.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: sam of the south on January 22, 2018, 04:02:59 AM
But surely if he does come on board it will only prove that it was dodgy all along, and it will blocked by the EPL anyway?
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Thornton_19 on January 22, 2018, 04:07:10 AM
But surely if he does come on board it will only prove that it was dodgy all along, and it will blocked by the EPL anyway?
If he sells his shares in Arsenal then buys into us. He isn't doing anything illegal. Will be the exact same situation as when Moshiri bought into us.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: stirlingblue on January 22, 2018, 04:08:38 AM
If he sells his shares in Arsenal then buys into us. He isn't doing anything illegal. Will be the exact same situation as when Moshiri bought into us.

The league will never block another new person with a big pile of cash, they want the league to have all the stars and more 'big' (rich) clubs helps that
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Confucius on January 22, 2018, 04:17:07 AM
I really think it's nailed on but it's just my opinion

You chatting to yourself? Weird one.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: plowman2 on January 22, 2018, 04:31:24 AM
Before this season I don't think I would have been happy about some loads of money coming in and buying us a CL place or even the league, but after the absolute agony of this shit we've suffered so far I'm more than willing to entertain being some money bags toy for a while. The only reserve I have is that when he gets bored, we will probably be in even bigger shit, like disappearing shit.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Danny on January 22, 2018, 05:07:17 AM
Before this season I don't think I would have been happy about some loads of money coming in and buying us a CL place or even the league, but after the absolute agony of this shit we've suffered so far I'm more than willing to entertain being some money bags toy for a while. The only reserve I have is that when he gets bored, we will probably be in even bigger shit, like disappearing shit.

I was the same but realistically now you have to be owned by a billionaire, even then it's not guaranteeing success.

After City it was still believable you could work your way up (as Spurs have shown) but the problem is that you now have the whole top 6 who are mega rich or very rich, Leicester who are very rich and then a couple of other clubs with big backing and it's getting to the point now where Wolves could come up in the next few years and outspend us.

If we aren't set up with a new stadium and stabilised as a long term premier league club soon in a few years Moshiri's wealth will be comparable with Kenwrights a few years back respective to the teams around us.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Bluedylan on January 22, 2018, 04:08:04 PM
This is all over other Everton forums and twitter now (from @Django (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4371)).

No pressure :)
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: dunkster on January 22, 2018, 04:10:04 PM
Lol..poor old evertonians allowing ourself more torment
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Macca77 on January 22, 2018, 05:00:48 PM
One of the ITK'S on TEF has sort of backed this story up, saying Kenwright will be gone by March
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: eugene on January 22, 2018, 05:57:09 PM
You chatting to yourself? Weird one.
No just posting an afterthought
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 22, 2018, 06:14:35 PM
This is all over other Everton forums and twitter now (from @Django (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4371)).

No pressure :)
Aye its on TEF quoted form @Django (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4371)
A lad who seems ITK'd has backed it up as @Macca77 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=1930) says
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: MmmblueBernard on January 22, 2018, 06:40:09 PM
but but but the esk said.......
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Redartin on January 22, 2018, 06:52:06 PM
To put it in plain terms could Mosh be considered a scout to get in and settle the ground? If so job done.

Settled?
Us?
If anything we are in more turmoil than when he arrived.

Maybe that's the game plan - fuck things up big time, appoint shit managers, etc, and the fans will be willing to accept anything as a replacement.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: wilbur on January 22, 2018, 06:55:05 PM
That's already happened.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Everton Mint on January 22, 2018, 06:59:15 PM
There must be something behind the total shambles
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Jamokachi on January 23, 2018, 02:46:58 PM
There must be something behind the total shambles

The thing is, away from the pitch, we're not a shambles at all. We just need to find a way of translating how good we are off the pitch, onto it. Answers on a postcard please.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Waltzer on January 23, 2018, 02:58:35 PM
The thing is, away from the pitch, we're not a shambles at all. We just need to find a way of translating how good we are off the pitch, onto it. Answers on a postcard please.

I beg to differ, there are some commercial deals that have been a success but there are loads of things that seem to take an age for us to conclude. We've had numerous protracted transfers that have failed to materialise, or we end up spending millions more than we should. We employed a DoF who seems clueless, chased down managers for over a month and still didnt get him, and ended up with someone we'd previously rejected. Even the stadium is taking an age to get over the line. I do agree that certain aspects are better, but were a million miles behind teams like Man U, city, Arsenal, Chelsea, Spurs and Liverpool on and off the field
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: GLewis on January 23, 2018, 03:02:26 PM
We’re 20th in the Deloitte money league...

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/11218807/manchester-united-pip-real-madrid-to-top-deloitte-money-league

But only 10th in the PL.

I know it’s only revenue based but we’re not actually in a massively better position that teams we consider also rans.

From their CL run last year Leicester pulled in £60m more than us.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Jamokachi on January 23, 2018, 03:18:36 PM
I beg to differ, there are some commercial deals that have been a success but there are loads of things that seem to take an age for us to conclude. We've had numerous protracted transfers that have failed to materialise, or we end up spending millions more than we should. We employed a DoF who seems clueless, chased down managers for over a month and still didnt get him, and ended up with someone we'd previously rejected. Even the stadium is taking an age to get over the line. I do agree that certain aspects are better, but were a million miles behind teams like Man U, city, Arsenal, Chelsea, Spurs and Liverpool on and off the field

Sounds to me like you want everything done yesterday. You're also confusing "off field" and "on field".
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Cozzie on January 23, 2018, 03:30:28 PM
The fact that we are behind Southampton and West ham is fucking attrocious.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Jamokachi on January 23, 2018, 03:34:41 PM
The fact that we are behind Southampton and West ham is fucking attrocious.

Easy to see why they make more from their grounds though.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Cozzie on January 23, 2018, 03:36:26 PM
Easy to see why they make more from their grounds though.

Suppose with West ham yes.

For southampton I take it they took into account the billions the shite have given them down the years?
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Jamokachi on January 23, 2018, 03:39:41 PM
Suppose with West ham yes.

For southampton I take it they took into account the billions the shite have given them down the years?

Possibly. Though their ground is smaller it is much newer, and as such will be maximising their income from it.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: GLewis on January 23, 2018, 03:45:50 PM
Guessing their ticket prices are quite high?

Although I’ve no actual knowledge of the socio-economic situation in Southampton... :eh:
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Lxxx on January 23, 2018, 04:10:40 PM
Finishing in the top 8 last four seasons, having a stable board, a DoF that seems to know how to do his job properly and a sensible, self sustainable transfer strategy will all help them get to where they are. Clearly having a blip so far this season but wouldn't bet against them finishing comfortably mid table.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: van der Meyde on January 23, 2018, 04:38:39 PM
Guessing their ticket prices are quite high?

Although I’ve no actual knowledge of the socio-economic situation in Southampton... :eh:
More the League Cup run and Europa group games, I would imagine.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Waltzer on January 23, 2018, 06:46:09 PM
Sounds to me like you want everything done yesterday. You're also confusing "off field" and "on field".

Am I? I always treat 'on the field' as the team and players we have, I haven't referenced anything. As far as im concerned transfers and managerial appointments are all tasks undertaken 'off the field' its only when they come to fruition that they then convert to 'on field' issues, and then thats the domain of the manager. And I dont want things done yesterday, although our levels of professionalism, in my opinion, is still a long way behind others
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Macca77 on January 23, 2018, 07:32:03 PM
Arsenal owner Stan Kroenke has bought 22 more shares at £28,000 each. Owns 41,743 representing 67.09%
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: brap2 on January 23, 2018, 08:31:53 PM
We’re 20th in the Deloitte money league...

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/11218807/manchester-united-pip-real-madrid-to-top-deloitte-money-league

But only 10th in the PL.

I know it’s only revenue based but we’re not actually in a massively better position that teams we consider also rans.

From their CL run last year Leicester pulled in £60m more than us.

Really would like to understand why and how our commercial growth YoY looks so paltry - what is Other Commercial? That actually dropped YoY.

Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Lincs Toffee on January 23, 2018, 08:42:36 PM
Arsenal owner Stan Kroenke has bought 22 more shares at £28,000 each. Owns 41,743 representing 67.09%
Is that from Usmanov?...if so how may shares does he have left, any ideas mate ?
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Lxxx on January 23, 2018, 08:45:11 PM
Is that from Usmanov?...if so how may shares does he have left, any ideas mate ?

Nah probably just mopping up the dregs.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Lincs Toffee on January 23, 2018, 08:46:57 PM
Nah probably just mopping up the dregs.
I guessed as much, if Usmanov is going to sell, he'll want to sell them all
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Alanvideo on January 23, 2018, 09:39:45 PM
According to Wikipedia Usmanov owns about 18,000 shares  i.e. 29%. Don't know if that's up to date.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Toddacelli on January 23, 2018, 10:45:54 PM
I would imagine that because of the animosity between Usmanov and Kroenke that Usmanov could sell to someone who will claim to have no ties with Usmanov but has an agreement to frustrate Kroenke at every available opportunity.

If he goes.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: School of Science on January 23, 2018, 11:04:00 PM
Nah probably just mopping up the dregs.

Must be disheartening to see that greedy Bastard Kroenke hovering up shares he doesn't need.
Just come to us lad you know it makes sense.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Goaljira on January 24, 2018, 12:41:34 AM
Arsenal owner Stan Kroenke has bought 22 more shares at £28,000 each. Owns 41,743 representing 67.09%

Putting Arsenal's value at around £1.5B 

Not too shabby like
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: eugene on January 24, 2018, 12:46:56 AM
Putting Arsenal's value at around £1.5B 

Not too shabby like
All down to the ground,corporate facilities and sponsorship play it how we should and it could come to us, and that’s what Mosh and Usmanov are after
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Escla on January 24, 2018, 12:51:43 AM
All down to the ground,corporate facilities and sponsorship play it how we should and it could come to us, and that’s what Mosh and Usmanov are after

And the fact that it’s a huge piece of real estate in the heart of the capital city.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Lxxx on January 24, 2018, 12:56:20 AM
And the fact that it’s a huge piece of real estate in the heart of the capital city.

Which is the real reason they get so many fans, corporate and otherwise. I've been a few times and you can see most of the new fans weren't around in the Highbury days, the huge population growth in London feeds in to the football clubs hoovering up loads of extra fans every year.   
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: brap2 on January 24, 2018, 01:09:14 AM
Which is the real reason they get so many fans, corporate and otherwise. I've been a few times and you can see most of the new fans weren't around in the Highbury days, the huge population growth in London feeds in to the football clubs hoovering up loads of extra fans every year.   

Improved stadium capacity and facilities is directly correlated to amount of business a stadium takes.

There will be other factors of course but it does tend to follow apparently.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Jamokachi on January 24, 2018, 02:04:32 AM
Am I? I always treat 'on the field' as the team and players we have, I haven't referenced anything. As far as im concerned transfers and managerial appointments are all tasks undertaken 'off the field' its only when they come to fruition that they then convert to 'on field' issues, and then thats the domain of the manager. And I dont want things done yesterday, although our levels of professionalism, in my opinion, is still a long way behind others

Director of football, managers, player transfers... all correlate toward on field matters.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Ravardo on January 24, 2018, 05:45:26 AM
I saw somewhere the otherday stating usmanov and kroenke own 97% between them
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Cozzie on January 24, 2018, 03:25:19 PM
I saw somewhere the otherday stating usmanov and kroenke own 97% between them

Usmanov owns 30.4%

Kroenke owns 67.9%

Kroenke has been buying out more shares at £28,000 a pop even though it has no effect on his ownership. Hopefully showing that he would deffo be willing to buy Usmanov out if need be.
Title: Usmanov
Post by: Confucius on May 18, 2018, 12:30:10 PM
It’s on boys.

https://www.football.london/arsenal-fc/news/alisher-usmanov-latest-arsenal-news-14670722.amp
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Simon Paul on May 18, 2018, 12:46:13 PM
Paper reporting Internet rumours sparking more Internet rumours shocker
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Ramjam on May 18, 2018, 12:49:34 PM
The thrill of this is killing me. Trying to convince myself it’s all happening
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: bluenuck on May 18, 2018, 12:56:25 PM
Paper reporting Internet rumours sparking more Internet rumours shocker

Commas and periods for the old people please.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on May 18, 2018, 12:59:31 PM
Let us pray....
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: indiantoffee1975 on May 18, 2018, 12:59:35 PM
Didnt Django post something about this a couple months back?
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: indiantoffee1975 on May 18, 2018, 01:01:38 PM
Here we go.....
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: bluenuck on May 18, 2018, 01:01:45 PM
Didnt Django post something about this a couple months back?

Yup. It's the gift, or tease, that keeps on giving.

I just want it to happen or go away. Don't really care which one it is.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Makis on May 18, 2018, 01:15:48 PM
Why would we loan the money for the stadium through LCC if Usmanov could just loan the whole cost with zero interest?

So no, I don't believe this.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Cozzie on May 18, 2018, 01:20:26 PM
All about positive vibes.

If we all believe, it will happen.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Cozzie on May 18, 2018, 01:31:35 PM
Interesting how De Telegraff the dutch news paper is reporting this on the same time Brands gave an interview to them.

Maybe he let something slip and he knows something we don't?

Wishful thinking, but still.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: dangermouse on May 18, 2018, 01:32:36 PM
Why would we loan the money for the stadium through LCC if Usmanov could just loan the whole cost with zero interest?

So no, I don't believe this.


That’s why your here typing away on an Internet forum like the rest of us and he’s a billionaire.

Businesses are in the business of making money.. even better if you can make money by not spending your own.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Cozzie on May 18, 2018, 01:34:27 PM
Why would we loan the money for the stadium through LCC if Usmanov could just loan the whole cost with zero interest?

So no, I don't believe this.

Because if you don't have too why would you blow over 400M of your own dough?
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Makis on May 18, 2018, 02:07:10 PM
Because if you don't have too why would you blow over 400M of your own dough?
So even if Usmanov bought us he wouldn't bankroll any transfers then?

Paying the stadium would be an easy way to circumvent the FFP rules. Much easier than handing dough straight up. So this would be a huge opportunity missed.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Bob Sacamano on May 18, 2018, 02:15:08 PM
Would LCC securing fat interest payments have a factor in us securing the site?
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Cozzie on May 18, 2018, 02:15:29 PM
So even if Usmanov bought us he wouldn't bankroll any transfers then?

Paying the stadium would be an easy way to circumvent the FFP rules. Much easier than handing dough straight up. So this would be a huge opportunity missed.

That's a different matter, he will probably sponsor it instead.

FFP blocks rich owners from just ploughing money in like the old days of Abramovich and the Sheikhs. Id like to think he is much more savvy than that.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Escla on May 18, 2018, 02:17:10 PM
Would LCC securing fat interest payments have a factor in us securing the site?

Could well be, good shout.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Cereal Killer on May 18, 2018, 02:28:34 PM
So even if Usmanov bought us he wouldn't bankroll any transfers then?

Paying the stadium would be an easy way to circumvent the FFP rules. Much easier than handing dough straight up. So this would be a huge opportunity missed.

 ??? Again, why pay 400m of your own money if someone else will do it for you? Nothing to do with FFP
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Escla on May 18, 2018, 02:33:59 PM
Interesting how De Telegraff the dutch news paper is reporting this on the same time Brands gave an interview to them.

Maybe he let something slip and he knows something we don't?

Wishful thinking, but still.

Looks like he’s buying AC Milan as well  lolol paper talk, both rumours.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: TheTone on May 18, 2018, 02:36:16 PM
imagine the fume around the powers that be if plucky old Everton became seriously rich,powerful and a threat to the big 6, it would be investigated to death, kopites working full time to dig shit up from years ago etc
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Macca77 on May 18, 2018, 02:37:03 PM
Whats all this then? Is he coming to us or is it just more bullshit rumours?
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Escla on May 18, 2018, 02:44:15 PM
Whats all this then? Is he coming to us or is it just more bullshit rumours?

The latter
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Ramjam on May 18, 2018, 02:52:56 PM
The latter
He’s coming
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: TheRam on May 18, 2018, 02:55:04 PM
Reckon there's substance to it myself.

I've said for a while now I think he's the one funding the whole operation.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Waltzer on May 18, 2018, 02:57:23 PM
Reckon there's substance to it myself.

I've said for a while now I think he's the one funding the whole operation.

I genuinely hope you're right, but it doesnt explain why he offered 1 billion to buy Arsenal out only last summer if that was his intention? He clearly has a vested interest as hes sponsored our training ground, but im unsure if it goes much further than that.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Makis on May 18, 2018, 03:04:01 PM
??? Again, why pay 400m of your own money if someone else will do it for you? Nothing to do with FFP
So why would he buy Everton? Or to put it otherwise: if he bought Everton and then put none of his money at the club why would we want him? He's a crooked Russian businessman, if he's not putting his money in the club we'd be better off.

Club will pay to the tune of 20 million for the stadium per year for the next 40 years. 20 million that can't be used to e.g. pay wages. By paying for the stadium he would effectively boost Everton's income by that much. This would be AFAIK within FFP rules. Giving money outright or buying sponshorship deals which are worth way more than they should are not. So, pay for the stadium, rent it at peppercorn rate and let the club keep all the income == huge increase in turnover for the club
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Bob Sacamano on May 18, 2018, 03:14:40 PM
I think they missed a trick when appointing Denise here lads. 👆 lolol
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Mick 1995 on May 18, 2018, 03:20:48 PM
No chairman can just come in and spend serious money on transfers any more. It's such an odd point to raise .

An odd £20m here or there to them is irrelevant though, and that's the kind of investment levels on the pitch that we can hope for.

He won't have £400m just sitting in his arse pocket either. It's in shares, bonds, properties and imagined value of companies.

Also, the council is only lending us £280m from the central scheme.
So we still have to pony up £120m.
And on top of that, only a stark raving lunatic thinks this stadium will remain at £400m cost. Rest assured it will be more to the tune of £550-600m.
Where do you think the rest will be coming from?

That's not counting the financial corners that will be cut whilst laundering money and getting 'mates rates' on things like steel.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Bob Sacamano on May 18, 2018, 03:30:10 PM
Extra points to mick for the phrase “pony up”
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Waltzer on May 18, 2018, 03:40:08 PM
No chairman can just come in and spend serious money on transfers any more. It's such an odd point to raise .

An odd £20m here or there to them is irrelevant though, and that's the kind of investment levels on the pitch that we can hope for.

He won't have £400m just sitting in his arse pocket either. It's in shares, bonds, properties and imagined value of companies.


If Usmanov did come in wed spend loads, just look at PSG over recent years, there are a million and one ways around FFP. Also, with a wealth in excess of 9 billion id be willing to bet he has got 400 million in his back pocket, or easily accessible, not that I think he would blow it on a stadium
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Lxxx on May 18, 2018, 03:41:16 PM
Why would we loan the money for the stadium through LCC if Usmanov could just loan the whole cost with zero interest?

So no, I don't believe this.

He’s not a fan he’s a bloke worth a lot of money in assets acquired through various means.

I’m sure if he gets involved it’ll be by utilising his network and influence to assist us, not by writing cheques for hundreds of millions. Not even Abramovich has done that.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Makis on May 18, 2018, 03:47:57 PM
So basically I will hope he will not buy us. A crooked Russian businessman who can do no more than what Moshiri is doing. The club will still pay the stadium in full and also fund players purchases.

And yes, I think I have a pretty good idea how rich people keep their money. Usmanov, however, is worth well over 10 billion dollars. He wouldn't need to pull that money out of his arse pocket straight away. He could lend it from someone else for a very low margin (since he has so much assets, there's practically no risk involved for the lender) and use that to fund the stadium. Then he would have a half-a-billion pound asset for which he could easily pay for later. How do you people think rich people fund a multi-billion dollar deal? WIth a cheque or credit card?
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Escla on May 18, 2018, 03:52:01 PM
So basically I will hope he will not buy us. A crooked Russian businessman who can do no more than what Moshiri is doing. The club will still pay the stadium in full and also fund players purchases.

And yes, I think I have a pretty good idea how rich people keep their money. Usmanov, however, is worth well over 10 billion dollars. He wouldn't need to pull that money out of his arse pocket straight away. He could lend it from someone else for a very low margin (since he has so much assets, there's practically no risk involved for the lender) and use that to fund the stadium. Then he would have a half-a-billion pound asset for which he could easily pay for later. How do you people think rich people fund a multi-billion dollar deal? WIth a cheque or credit card?

If only you had been around before they appointed Denise  lolol
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: SANA_DR0 on May 18, 2018, 03:57:55 PM
I genuinely hope you're right, but it doesnt explain why he offered 1 billion to buy Arsenal out only last summer if that was his intention? He clearly has a vested interest as hes sponsored our training ground, but im unsure if it goes much further than that.

I read last year, He wanted to buy them shares to pass them onto his children(I think to his daughter)
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Macca77 on May 18, 2018, 04:00:06 PM
If Usmanov did come in wed spend loads, just look at PSG over recent years, there are a million and one ways around FFP. Also, with a wealth in excess of 9 billion id be willing to bet he has got 400 million in his back pocket, or easily accessible, not that I think he would blow it on a stadium

If he hasn't got it in his pocket, he could always withdraw it from the cash machine outside the sweet shop on County Road
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Makis on May 18, 2018, 04:31:44 PM
If only you had been around before they appointed Denise  lolol
What the fuck does that mean?
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: themilkycoffees on May 18, 2018, 04:32:32 PM
If he hasn't got it in his pocket, he could always withdraw it from the cash machine outside the sweet shop on County Road

Or check his front pocket instead.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Macca77 on May 18, 2018, 04:33:18 PM
Or check his front pocket instead.

Or bum bag
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Paddockoldie on May 18, 2018, 05:09:06 PM
He won't have £400m just sitting in his arse pocket either. It's in shares, bonds, properties and imagined value of companies.

Have you seen the size of his arse? Anythings possible these days
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: brap2 on May 18, 2018, 05:20:37 PM
I can’t imagjne a timeline where everton become rich and successful, but what I will say is this Usmanov stuff refuses to go away.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: themilkycoffees on May 18, 2018, 05:28:03 PM
I bet you City fans wouldn't have believed you if you told them ten years ago where they would be now. I'm not saying we can follow their example as the game has changed even in that time, but it just shows you things CAN change. Our time will come again.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Toddacelli on May 18, 2018, 05:31:06 PM
I bet you City fans wouldn't have believed you if you told them ten years ago where they would be now. I'm not saying we can follow their example as the game has changed even in that time, but it just shows you things CAN change. Our time will come again.

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/06/06/article-0-1E86C4FC00000578-317_964x656.jpg)
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Jamokachi on May 18, 2018, 06:09:01 PM
If he hasn't got it in his pocket, he could always withdraw it from the cash machine outside the sweet shop on County Road

Gotta be the cash machine over in West Derby, surely?
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Macca77 on May 18, 2018, 06:10:30 PM
https://twitter.com/Dean_Ryan77/status/997140054198931457
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: sam of the south on May 18, 2018, 06:28:46 PM
Trouble is they’ve already highlighted this scenario in that Panarama programme.

Surely if he weighs in we are banged to rights.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Bluedylan on May 18, 2018, 06:34:33 PM
I don't see it myself.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Simon Paul on May 18, 2018, 06:40:07 PM
Not the right time to be getting Russians involved is it?
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: TheTone on May 18, 2018, 07:19:22 PM
Not the right time to be getting Russians involved is it?

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Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Lxxx on May 18, 2018, 07:45:09 PM
You don’t know if this is a case of Chinese whispers derived from one internet rumour or if their is enough smoke coming from a number of random sources.

The whole scenario is plausible, he does sponsor our training ground so he’s invested to some degree, whether it’s probable or not who knows.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: School of Science on May 18, 2018, 07:47:08 PM
Not the right time to be getting Russians involved is it?

Someone has to start building bridges Si........................... ........






And stadiums  :whistle:
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: School of Science on May 18, 2018, 07:49:08 PM
Normally doesn't Usmanov wait a couple of days and then puts out there's no truth in this rumour. Usually just the annual kick up the arse for the Arsenal board.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Ross on May 18, 2018, 07:56:10 PM
If Usmanov was actually coming onboard we’d have already wrapped up our side of the financing for BM.

Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: brap2 on May 18, 2018, 07:58:05 PM
The djangerman didn’t get a lineup wrong for about 6 months straight like. Just sayin.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: themilkycoffees on May 18, 2018, 07:59:06 PM
If Usmanov was actually coming onboard we’d have already wrapped up our side of the financing for BM.

That's assuming the club tell the fans everything as soon as it's done, which they definitely don't. 

Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: dunkster on May 18, 2018, 07:59:36 PM
He's desperate not to sell to kroenke (spelling?) And as reported who's gonna buy his shares (£700 million) with no position on the board and no say in any matters in the club?
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Cereal Killer on May 18, 2018, 08:07:42 PM
Normally doesn't Usmanov wait a couple of days and then puts out there's no truth in this rumour. Usually just the annual kick up the arse for the Arsenal board.

It's amazing how this only comes about when a transfer window is open..... it's like he's trying to get the board to spend some money, or move over and let him do it.....
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Ross on May 18, 2018, 08:19:22 PM
That's assuming the club tell the fans everything as soon as it's done, which they definitely don't. 



The finances not being in place has the whole project on hold at the moment, they’ve supposedly been working on them for a year. As soon as it’s done they’ll be singing it from the roof tops and the plans will be revealed and planning permission will be going in.

There’s no way loans have been secured and they’re just sitting on it idly when they want to be in for 2022. If Usmanov is coming on board they’d have a que of lenders looking to give us money given his resources and connections.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: themilkycoffees on May 18, 2018, 08:21:07 PM
The finances not being in place has the whole project on hold at the moment, they’ve supposedly been working on them for a year. As soon as it’s done they’ll be singing it from the roof tops and the plans will be revealed and planning permission will be going in.

There’s no way loans have been secured and they’re just sitting on it idly when they want to be in for 2022. If Usmanov is coming on board they’d have a que of lenders looking to give us money given his resources and connections.

No, honestly, it doesn't. Not sure on the Usmanov links at all but it really isn't the finances holding BMD up at this stage.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Ross on May 18, 2018, 08:24:49 PM
No, honestly, it doesn't. Not sure on the Usmanov links at all but it really isn't the finances holding BMD up at this stage.

So what’s been the hold up given that the locations been sorted for about 18 months and the architects have been working with the club for over 2 years?
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: themilkycoffees on May 18, 2018, 08:27:08 PM
So what’s been the hold up given that the locations been sorted for about 18 months and the architects have been working with the club for over 2 years?

It's a very complex site and a relatively tight space for a huge stadium. I wouldn't expect planning permission to go in until early 2019.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Waltzer on May 18, 2018, 08:32:38 PM
He's desperate not to sell to kroenke (spelling?) And as reported who's gonna buy his shares (£700 million) with no position on the board and no say in any matters in the club?

But thats not technically true, Kronke has said he wont let Usmanov on the board, thats not to say he wouldn't allow someone else on the board should they buy the shares and have the same outlook and objectives as him? Plus Usmanov has also talked about selling to the fans, admittedly is a hefty chunk to find but its another option?
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Escla on May 18, 2018, 08:55:21 PM
What the fuck does that mean?

Prof. Denise Barret-Baxendale BA (Hons) , MBA, PhD , her deputy is

Alexander Ryazanstev - BsC. Economics and Biz management,, Masters in finance from London Business School. City high flyer specialising in debt capital markets, Corporate Finance, advisor to RBS and ABN Amro, main area of expertise raising capital from various sources of liquidity for U.K and corporate clients.

Farhad Moshiri - Charterd Accountant

....Just think they might have a better idea of how to fund this project than you, just my gut feeling, I may be wrong.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Makis on May 18, 2018, 09:28:45 PM
Prof. Denise Barret-Baxendale BA (Hons) , MBA, PhD , her deputy is

Alexander Ryazanstev - BsC. Economics and Biz management,, Masters in finance from London Business School. City high flyer specialising in debt capital markets, Corporate Finance, advisor to RBS and ABN Amro, main area of expertise raising capital from various sources of liquidity for U.K and corporate clients.

Farhad Moshiri - Charterd Accountant

....Just think they might have a better idea of how to fund this project than you, just my gut feeling, I may be wrong.
What sort of stuff have you been eating/drinking/inhaling? You try to be funny while completely misunderstanding what I said.

What does those people knowing about stadium finances got to do with what I wrote? Are you saying that they think that an interest-free loan with no repayments would be a worse idea than paying the debt + interest? Because that's the only way you could disagree with me in that sort of manner.

Why? Because my original point was that if Usmanov was coming the easiest way to give a substantial amount of money to Everton (because of FFP) would be to pay for the stadium. Now, Usmanov might think it's not a good way to spend money but why the fuck would someone like DBB think a 500 million pound gift to the club would be a bad idea?
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Cereal Killer on May 18, 2018, 09:38:01 PM
 ???

Two points - your arguement is backwards, he should spend 500m (say 400 stadium and 100 for players to avoid FFP)? Surely spending the 100 is easier for FFP

Secondly, again, why should he plough 500m of his own money in, when he can get others to fund 400m of it?

He's a business man, like most owners these days, not a fan, so he's not going to give away money where he doesn't need to
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Simon Paul on May 18, 2018, 09:52:27 PM
???

Two points - your arguement is backwards, he should spend 500m (say 400 stadium and 100 for players to avoid FFP)? Surely spending the 100 is easier for FFP

Secondly, again, why should he plough 500m of his own money in, when he can get others to fund 400m of it?

He's a business man, like most owners these days, not a fan, so he's not going to give away money where he doesn't need to
Stadium would be built by a separate company who would lease it to Everton. As is the plan in place. Him paying for the stadium would have no impact on FFP

Agree with the rest though.

And reckon we'd have done the board hokey cokey after he came in rather than before

And as a small shareholder I'd like to think I'd be informed of this kind of thing
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: kbh triangle on May 18, 2018, 10:03:30 PM
Stadium would be built by a separate company who would lease it to Everton. As is the plan in place. Him paying for the stadium would have no impact on FFP

Agree with the rest though.

And reckon we'd have done the board hokey cokey after he came in rather than before

And as a small shareholder I'd like to think I'd be informed of this kind of thing


I thought that the extra financing for stadium was coming through an offshore property investment trust, which has tax advantages to the lenders. I understand that a controlling interest (ie over 50%) wouldn’t be able to stick his money in, which might explain why mr M currently only has 49.9%. I think the trust will be set up before mr Woods shares are bought.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: bluenuck on May 18, 2018, 10:03:39 PM
It's a very complex site and a relatively tight space for a huge stadium. I wouldn't expect planning permission to go in until early 2019.

I work in construction...

99% of the time it's money holding back a project, not a complex site. Complex sites can be dealt with with the right engineers and the right people.

We are trying to secure the money to build the thing. There's nothing wrong with that either.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Toddacelli on May 18, 2018, 10:13:56 PM
Am I in the right place? Is this the speculating unprofessionals forum?

I am all for healthy debate and speculation, but if we could all just hold on to the one underlying truth - that is none of us really know and we're all just guessing - that would really help the tone and stop this descending into a slanging match.

Not aimed at everyone. Not even @TheTone (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4357) - despite mentioning him specifically by name! (Sorry Tone)
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: themilkycoffees on May 18, 2018, 10:16:22 PM
I work in construction...

99% of the time it's money holding back a project, not a complex site. Complex sites can be dealt with with the right engineers and the right people.

We are trying to secure the money to build the thing. There's nothing wrong with that either.

As do I. In this particular case I believe it is indeed being dealt with, but the main "delaying" factor is a planning one.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: brap2 on May 18, 2018, 10:29:30 PM
- that would really help the tone

Lord knows he needs it
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: bluenuck on May 18, 2018, 10:33:32 PM
As do I. In this particular case I believe it is indeed being dealt with, but the main "delaying" factor is a planning one.

I don't know man. There's only so many ways you can build a big stadium on such a complex site. That should make things easier, actually.

Like another person said, this has been a while.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: themilkycoffees on May 18, 2018, 10:39:23 PM
Of course. It's very frustrating for us as fans but I'm confident we'll get this one over the line.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Escla on May 18, 2018, 10:40:01 PM
What sort of stuff have you been eating/drinking/inhaling? You try to be funny while completely misunderstanding what I said.

What does those people knowing about stadium finances got to do with what I wrote? Are you saying that they think that an interest-free loan with no repayments would be a worse idea than paying the debt + interest? Because that's the only way you could disagree with me in that sort of manner.

Why? Because my original point was that if Usmanov was coming the easiest way to give a substantial amount of money to Everton (because of FFP) would be to pay for the stadium. Now, Usmanov might think it's not a good way to spend money but why the fuck would someone like DBB think a 500 million pound gift to the club would be a bad idea?

Yeh, good , whatever, you’re a financial genius.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: School of Science on May 18, 2018, 10:47:08 PM
It's amazing how this only comes about when a transfer window is open..... it's like he's trying to get the board to spend some money, or move over and let him do it.....

Ha yes I thought that, these rumours pop up once a year and when Usmanov can be arsed, usually after about 2 days, he dismisses it as a rumour. Which sends Arsenal fans into panic mode and gives the Arsenal board something to chew on.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Eddiesheeds on May 18, 2018, 11:10:30 PM
He's coming
So am I
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on May 18, 2018, 11:25:19 PM
If he was genuinely coming and bringing his money with him, you’d expect a higher profile managerial appointment than Marco Silva.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: pjk on May 19, 2018, 12:11:23 AM
Guys like Moshiri don 't put money into a project and just watch it drain away. I'm happy with Moshiri, personally. Things havn't gone smoothly. But whether anyone likes it or not, he didn't mess about when things got dodgy. He sacked Koeman and gave Allardyce his p.45. Cost him/us, a lot of money. Now we're back in the game. I'm as excited now, as I was at the beginning of last season. :)
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: bluenuck on May 19, 2018, 12:54:52 AM
Of course. It's very frustrating for us as fans but I'm confident we'll get this one over the line.

As am I.

But the planning isn't the problem imo. It's taken to long for that to be it.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: plumber on May 19, 2018, 01:27:45 AM
If he was genuinely coming and bringing his money with him, you’d expect a higher profile managerial appointment than Marco Silva.

I would expect a higher profile appointment than Silva even without Usmanov to be honest.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Makis on May 19, 2018, 01:47:03 AM
???

Two points - your arguement is backwards, he should spend 500m (say 400 stadium and 100 for players to avoid FFP)? Surely spending the 100 is easier for FFP

Secondly, again, why should he plough 500m of his own money in, when he can get others to fund 400m of it?

He's a business man, like most owners these days, not a fan, so he's not going to give away money where he doesn't need to
I'm working on the assumption that the point for him to the club would be to turn it into a top team. That needs money, lots of. But unlike, say, Abrahimovic back when he bought Chelsea, because of the FFP, he can't just hand over hundreds of millions (which those interest free loans basically are) so he needs to figure out some other ways. He also can't, say, buy the naming rights for some ridiculous amount because of the same FFP rules.

So, how do you think he could do it in any reasonable timescale? If Liverpool win the CL final they will make more new fans worldwide than we have in total. The gap is ridiculously large so they will make tons more money from merchandise and sponsorship deals for decades no matter what. Well, if we managed to win the CL five times in the next 20 years we might be in with a shout, but without the possibility of doing a Manchester City the chances are slim.

So would he buy the club and be happy with annual 4-6th place finishes with maybe a Carabao Cup or FA Cup?

And I want to repeat, he would NOT hand over half-a-billion pounds in the stadium case, not in his lifetime at least. He would hand over whatever the club will now pay in interest per year. And he would own the stadium. I would estimate this to be around 20 million pounds per year. Doesn't sound that much, except that it would still increase turnover by more than 10%. It could pay the wages for two world-class players. It's also not-so-insignificant if you consider that we are not going to get anywhere near that from the naming rights (well, it might be possible if USM Holdings buy the rights, could just pass as acceptable by FFP).

Now, if someone really wants to disagree with me, feel free. But please try to come up with actual arguments rather than "you the financial genious" or plain "you are wrong". If you think I'm wrong, please try to figure out why Usmanov would buy the club and whether he would like to make it a powerhouse. And if so, how could he do that if he's not going to put any of his own money in the club.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Makis on May 19, 2018, 01:48:01 AM
Yeh, good , whatever, you’re a financial genius.
I do understand these things can be a bit complex for you. Don't worry, you don't have to understand or partake in the discussion. It's totally voluntary.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Martip on May 26, 2018, 03:24:52 AM
We need to bring this hell hound on board
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: blargins on May 26, 2018, 03:33:47 AM
I would expect a higher profile appointment than Silva even without Usmanov to be honest.

I expect Spurs fans felt the same when they signed Poch.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 26, 2018, 03:54:01 AM
I would expect a higher profile appointment than Silva even without Usmanov to be honest.

Such as?
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Brownie on May 26, 2018, 04:10:21 AM
Such as?

God
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 26, 2018, 04:14:30 AM
God

Doesn't work Sundays which would be a problem if we qualified for the Europa league
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: blargins on May 26, 2018, 04:15:54 AM
Doesn't work Sundays which would be a problem if we qualified for the Europa league

Depends which God though. If we can make Europa, then it would just be the odd game on a Saturday we wouldn't have a manager for.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Brownie on May 26, 2018, 04:16:58 AM
Depends which God though. If we can make Europa, then it would just be the odd game on a Saturday we wouldn't have a manager for.

Beat me to that.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: MmmblueBernard on May 26, 2018, 04:26:24 AM
Such as?

Gold is better than silva....
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: plumber on May 26, 2018, 07:06:32 PM
I expect Spurs fans felt the same when they signed Poch.
I expect Barcelona fans felt the same when they signed Tata Martino. United fans felt the same about Moyes, Borussia Dortmund fans about Bosz, Chelsea fans about Grant, Aston Villa fans about McLeish, etc, etc, etc.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: plumber on May 26, 2018, 07:10:06 PM
Such as?

Your reaction is a bit slow  :) If you asked me a week ago, I‘d have said Emery, Fonseca, a few weeks ago – Favre. At the moment I‘m not sure there are better candidates, as I said in another thread. Off the top of my head Hazenhuttl, but he would be even a bigger risk.
If we wait a couple of weeks more, Silva will definitely be the best.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: blargins on May 26, 2018, 07:15:04 PM
Your reaction is a bit slow  :) If you asked me a week ago, I‘d have said Emery, Fonseca, a few weeks ago – Favre. At the moment I‘m not sure there are better candidates, as I said in another thread. Off the top of my head Hazenhuttl, but he would be even a bigger risk.
If we wait a couple of weeks more, Silva will definitely be the best.

Emery was my first choice. Silva was probably third on my list of available candidates. Think he's now first based on what's left. Although the thought of Arteta as an unknown is strangely appealing, but very risky.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: brap2 on May 26, 2018, 07:41:11 PM
Emery isn’t all that you know
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: plumber on May 26, 2018, 07:42:24 PM
Emery was my first choice. Silva was probably third on my list of available candidates. Think he's now first based on what's left. Although the thought of Arteta as an unknown is strangely appealing, but very risky.

Agree with all that except Arteta. It would be madness.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: blargins on May 26, 2018, 07:54:30 PM
Agree with all that except Arteta. It would be madness.

It would be, but if it came off, it could be great.

Eddie Howe is becoming more appealing by the day as well, although I'd rather much better. At least he has a go and has been successful in beating the big sides.

Interesting times, Silva could become our version of Poch. Although I'd rather we won something though.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Waltzer on July 24, 2018, 02:02:10 PM
Please let it come off....

https://amp.ft.com/content/8221a448-8e8d-11e8-bb8f-a6a2f7bca546?__twitter_impression=true

Billionaire Alisher Usmanov explores sale of 30% Arsenal stake
Move marks beginning of the end of battle over English Premier League football club
 
Arsenal are preparing to move into a new era on the pitch as well as the boardroom © AFP

July 24, 2018 4:01 am by Murad Ahmed , Arash Massoudi and Patrick Jenkins in London
Russian billionaire Alisher Usmanov is actively exploring a sale of his stake in Arsenal, accepting that the London-based football club’s majority owner, the US sports mogul Stan Kroenke, will never sell control to him.
Mr Usmanov, a metals magnate who owns 30 per cent of the English Premier League club, has grown frustrated that Mr Kroenke is unwilling to engage in takeover talks and has given up all hope of acquiring the club outright, according to two people familiar with his thinking.
“He was really frustrated that Kroenke wouldn’t sell at any price and now just wants out,” said one of those with knowledge of Mr Usmanov’s intentions.

The decision marks the beginning of the end of a long-running battle for control over Arsenal, with the club’s two biggest shareholders locked in a bitter feud having repeatedly clashed over the direction of the club.
Last October, Mr Usmanov turned down a £525m offer from Mr Kroenke to acquire his shareholding, saying: “I have always been and will continue to be an ardent supporter of Arsenal and I see my 30 per cent stake as an important aspect in protecting the best interests of the fans in the club.”
A few months earlier, it was Mr Usmanov who made a $1.3bn bid to acquire Mr Kroenke’s 67 per cent stake, which is held through the US billionaire’s investment vehicle KSE UK, only to be rejected.
 
Alisher Usmanov is actively exploring a sale of his stake in Arsenal © AFP
Mr Usmanov has said he is willing to sell to any party — other than Mr Kroenke — who “shares my and undoubtedly the majority of fans’ vision for the club.”
But a person close to Mr Usmanov added this is a difficult sales pitch: he does not have a board seat at Arsenal or any say over the running of the club. Any new shareholder is likely to face the same problems with Mr Kroenke in effective control.
It remains unclear if Mr Usmanov has begun talks with interested parties, though another person familiar with Mr Usmanov’s thinking said the “logical buyer” would be Mr Kroenke.
A sale could also end the impasse in the boardroom just as Arsenal prepares to move into a new era on the pitch.
At the end of last season, Arsène Wenger departed the club he managed for 22 years. Though the French coach has been credited with revolutionising English football, introducing modern tactics and training techniques to guide Arsenal to several major trophy victories, the club’s on-pitch fortunes have waned in recent years leaving some fans disillusioned.
In May, Arsenal appointed Spanish manager Unai Emery as Wenger’s successor.
Mr Usmanov, who was born in what is now Uzbekistan, first acquired shares in Arsenal in 2007, when he teamed up with Anglo-Iranian businessman Farhad Moshiri to buy a 14.6 per cent stake for £75m. In 2016, Mr Usmanov increased his stake to 30 per cent, buying out Mr Moshiri, who went on to acquire rival Premier League club Everton.
Mr Kroenke also bought into Arsenal in 2007 and became majority shareholder four years later.
Mr Usmanov and Arsenal declined to comment. A representative for Mr Kroenke did not respond to requests for comment.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Cozzie on July 24, 2018, 02:04:59 PM
Start making space for his yacht on Bramley Moore dock boys.

If only.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: dunkster on July 24, 2018, 02:09:08 PM
Don't do it to yourselves lads.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: dunkster on July 24, 2018, 02:10:17 PM
Who in their right minds will spend that sort of money without getting a seat on the board or any say in the running and decisions the club takes?
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Waltzer on July 24, 2018, 02:21:38 PM
Who in their right minds will spend that sort of money without getting a seat on the board or any say in the running and decisions the club takes?

But whose to say they wont get a seat on the board? Kronke, as far as im aware, has only refused Usmanov as they dont get on, if it was someone that shared his vision then its a different story, also, if Usmanov sold it to fans he'd have a hard time saying no to them being on the board
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: dunkster on July 24, 2018, 02:41:05 PM
But whose to say they wont get a seat on the board? Kronke, as far as im aware, has only refused Usmanov as they dont get on, if it was someone that shared his vision then its a different story, also, if Usmanov sold it to fans he'd have a hard time saying no to them being on the board

Well i guess that's true. They certainly will want something back from their investment.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: bigmanbob on July 24, 2018, 02:50:21 PM
Stan called me last night and asked me to front up a business with £300 mill of his readies to buy out Jabba. I'm then going to sell it back to Stan with a tidy £1 mill in the bank for my troubles. Easy money
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: dunkster on July 24, 2018, 02:58:15 PM
Stan called me last night and asked me to front up a business with £300 mill of his readies to buy out Jabba. I'm then going to sell it back to Stan with a tidy £1 mill in the bank for my troubles. Easy money

I'm sure usmanov could have all sorts of clauses go into that sale to stop that, including the right to buy back the shares if the new party wanted to sell them on.

More likely, having sold them and got the fuck out of there, he probably wouldn't want to get dragged back into it though i expect.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Macca77 on July 24, 2018, 03:36:31 PM
Usmanov is already here, lurking in the shadows
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Shropshire Blue on July 24, 2018, 03:39:36 PM
Usmanov is already here, lurking in the shadows
Down in the Lower Gwladys something stirred..........😲
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Macca77 on July 24, 2018, 04:44:09 PM
Haha Super Kev

https://twitter.com/1kevincampbell/status/1021691748769247233
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: arteta4spain on July 24, 2018, 05:04:06 PM
Haha Super Kev

https://twitter.com/1kevincampbell/status/1021691748769247233
No smoke without fire or is he just stirring the pot?
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Robioto on July 24, 2018, 05:11:35 PM
No smoke without fire or is he just stirring the pot?

It looks like that one article is now spiralling.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: dunkster on July 24, 2018, 05:57:34 PM
I think it will forever come out of the woodwork every time he's mentioned  until he's here or one day we suddenly realise it's been ten years and unlikely to happen
Title: Usmanov
Post by: Dartfordblue on July 24, 2018, 09:27:48 PM
Looking at selling Arsenal shares according to Sky Sports News
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: eugene on July 24, 2018, 09:29:43 PM
Be great that but who would want them at £700 million with no say
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Dartfordblue on July 24, 2018, 09:36:14 PM
Kroenke putting an offer together for the shares, above £525 mil apparently
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Cozzie on July 24, 2018, 09:37:09 PM
Maybe making more Usmanov threads is the key to getting him here.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Macca77 on July 24, 2018, 09:46:05 PM
Usmanov sells his shares for 600+ million, buys us and pays for Bramley Moore

Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: D15TIN on July 24, 2018, 09:47:15 PM
Isn't he worth double what abramovich is?
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Macca77 on July 24, 2018, 10:02:24 PM
Isn't he worth double what abramovich is?

Usmanov 13 billion

Abramovich 9 billion

Me 27 pence
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: D15TIN on July 24, 2018, 10:21:56 PM
Usmanov 13 billion

Abramovich 9 billion

Me 27 pence
Imagine if we got him on board, we'd be getting charged 50 mill for Darren fletcher defo.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Cozzie on July 24, 2018, 11:26:02 PM
Richest man in England is he not?

If he did join and had major shares in us only Citys owner Sheikh Mansour (Approx 20Billion) would be richer than him in terms of the owners of clubs.

Would be a serious game changer which is why it wont happen. We are not allowed nice things.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Shropshire Blue on July 25, 2018, 05:56:30 AM
Not very often one can write this on the forum - THE FINANCIAL TIMES is saying he wants to sell. Do they have sports pages and transfer gossip as well?
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: dunkster on July 25, 2018, 05:59:10 AM
Not very often one can write this on the forum - THE FINANCIAL TIMES is saying he wants to sell. Do they have sports pages and transfer gossip as well?

Yes there's an article on what we spent on richarlson
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Shropshire Blue on July 25, 2018, 06:00:40 AM
Yes there's an article on what we spent on richarlson
Yes, but any good rumours?
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Paddockoldie on July 25, 2018, 02:18:43 PM
If he sells his arsenal shares there's only us I reckon who he'd buy in to seeing as he's already involved with USM. Good if it comes off but he looks a right sleeve ball but that's football these days. Like a hooker... Just think of the money
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: blue1948 on July 25, 2018, 02:23:32 PM
Not very often one can write this on the forum - THE FINANCIAL TIMES is saying he wants to sell. Do they have sports pages and transfer gossip as well?
Are you asking US ??
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Shropshire Blue on July 25, 2018, 04:19:20 PM
Are you asking US ??

Don't you read it? 😲
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: blue1948 on July 25, 2018, 07:08:31 PM
Don't you read it? 😲
I still can't read ,I use Alexa!
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: brap2 on July 29, 2018, 08:27:16 PM
Couldn’t find a boardroom thread so this will do.

Rumours Denise B-B close to walking away.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: eugene on July 29, 2018, 08:31:52 PM
Couldn't find a boardroom thread so this will do.

Rumours Denise B-B close to walking away.
Can you expand mate?
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: bluestevie on July 29, 2018, 08:31:57 PM
Couldn’t find a boardroom thread so this will do.

Rumours Denise B-B close to walking away.

That was posted on GOT, without any substance by a misogynist who didn't want her in charge anyway
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: dunkster on July 29, 2018, 08:50:30 PM
Can't see that.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: TheRam on July 29, 2018, 08:55:06 PM
Couldn’t find a boardroom thread so this will do.

Rumours Denise B-B close to walking away.

Where’s this from?
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: brap2 on July 29, 2018, 09:02:30 PM
I’ve just it on twitter like, absolutely zero details and I don’t even know what it would be over to be fair.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: School of Science on July 29, 2018, 10:18:32 PM
All kinds of shite flying around atm, the knives are out for us, sadly from our own fans it seems. DBB now supposedly walking away, we had Brands, " sold a turkey" a few weeks ago, players don't want to sign or are hanging back for better, Walcott supposed rift with Silva, the ground move has gone quiet, it must have fell through and even Moshiri walking away. I mean is there anything fucking else ? The world cup has finished nothing to occupy people's minds I suppose. What will be will be.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Lxxx on July 29, 2018, 10:27:23 PM
All kinds of shite flying around atm, the knives are out for us, sadly from our own fans it seems. DBB now supposedly walking away, we had Brands, " sold a turkey" a few weeks ago, players don't want to sign or are hanging back for better, Walcott supposed rift with Silva, the ground move has gone quiet, it must have fell through and even Moshiri walking away. I mean is there anything fucking else ? The world cup has finished nothing to occupy people's minds I suppose. What will be will be.

This is what happens in a vacuum. No football, stuttering transfer window, little coming back the other way in terms of press from the club/manager/DoF and a seriously despondent fan base.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: plumber on July 29, 2018, 11:00:05 PM
The end is near, we are all gonna die.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Brownie on July 29, 2018, 11:03:17 PM
Fucking Twittertards
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: blue slug on July 29, 2018, 11:04:28 PM
The end is near, we are all gonna die.

Really hasn’t been a good feeling about us in a while, well maybe the odd day 😆
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Bluedylan on July 30, 2018, 12:07:16 AM
Our fans are proper head-the-balls, as someone said the other day.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: sam of the south on July 30, 2018, 12:15:32 AM
I think we should make an NSNO pact of a Twitter blackout
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Bluedylan on July 30, 2018, 12:23:55 AM
I think we should make an NSNO pact of a Twitter blackout

A good few people will be happy, but I'm finding the site to be a lot of a drag at the moment. Misery feeding more misery, taking us nowhere, based on a couple of friendlies. The 'I never wanted Silva' crew are already rearing their heads. It's pretty grim and pretty fucking stupid. We haven't even played a competitive game yet.

And then people just randomly dropping in 'saw this on twitter' (possibly from one tweet, for all anyone knows) and leaving everybody to stress about the content of the tweet, even though there's almost certainly nothing to it.

I've got absolutely no doubt in my mind that some people get off on it a bit, like pigs in shit.

 
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: sam of the south on July 30, 2018, 12:26:42 AM
A good few people will be happy, but I'm finding the site to be a lot of a drag at the moment. Misery feeding more misery, taking us nowhere, based on a couple of friendlies. The 'I never wanted Silva' crew are already rearing their heads. It's pretty grim and pretty fucking stupid. We haven't even played a competitive game yet.

And then people just randomly dropping in 'saw this on twitter' (possibly from one tweet, for all anyone knows) and leaving everybody to stress about the content of the tweet, even though there's almost certainly nothing to it.

I've got absolutely no doubt in my mind that some people get off on it a bit, like pigs in shit.

 

Bang-on, unfortunately.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Brownie on July 30, 2018, 12:35:25 AM
A good few people will be happy, but I'm finding the site to be a lot of a drag at the moment. Misery feeding more misery, taking us nowhere, based on a couple of friendlies. The 'I never wanted Silva' crew are already rearing their heads. It's pretty grim and pretty fucking stupid. We haven't even played a competitive game yet.

And then people just randomly dropping in 'saw this on twitter' (possibly from one tweet, for all anyone knows) and leaving everybody to stress about the content of the tweet, even though there's almost certainly nothing to it.

I've got absolutely no doubt in my mind that some people get off on it a bit, like pigs in shit.

 

I can't imagine what painfully sad existence those type of people must lead either. Imagine wanting to be right about something you claim to love being fucked up
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on July 30, 2018, 01:19:09 AM
A good few people will be happy, but I'm finding the site to be a lot of a drag at the moment. Misery feeding more misery, taking us nowhere, based on a couple of friendlies. The 'I never wanted Silva' crew are already rearing their heads. It's pretty grim and pretty fucking stupid. We haven't even played a competitive game yet.

And then people just randomly dropping in 'saw this on twitter' (possibly from one tweet, for all anyone knows) and leaving everybody to stress about the content of the tweet, even though there's almost certainly nothing to it.

I've got absolutely no doubt in my mind that some people get off on it a bit, like pigs in shit.

 
Utter shite you talk, some are just sick of watching slow motion car crashes, and other people are entitled to a different view than your fucking smug bubble of a few, the doom merchants have been right the last few years unfortunately, and things look no better at the moment, but i'm sure everyone is hoping it takes the upward turn the club and all fans desperately want and need...
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Brownie on July 30, 2018, 01:22:42 AM
Utter shite you talk, some are just sick of watching slow motion car crashes, and other people are entitled to a different view than your fucking smug bubble of a few, the doom merchants have been right the last few years unfortunately, and things look no better at the moment, but i'm sure everyone is hoping it takes the upward turn the club and all fans desperately want and need...

Didn't know Yoda was an Evertonian
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: penguinofdoom1878 on July 30, 2018, 01:38:14 AM
that watchedbellend and his bunch of merrywankers most probably as they spin it into being Kenwright's sorry Kenwrong's master plan, as hes actually a life longer Liverpool fan
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Ross on July 30, 2018, 01:43:08 AM
Must be bollocks it’s not like she’s just been appointed CEO after coming in from somewhere else she’s been involved for years and only stepped up from deputy CEO.

She’s not come into this blind.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Paddockoldie on July 30, 2018, 01:48:24 AM
I can't imagine what painfully sad existence those type of people must lead either. Imagine wanting to be right about something you claim to love being fucked up

Many a husband has felt that way Brownie
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Brownie on July 30, 2018, 01:51:39 AM
Must be bollocks it’s not like she’s just been appointed CEO after coming in from somewhere else she’s been involved for years and only stepped up from deputy CEO.

She’s not come into this blind.

Can't see much about this on other forums either
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: bluestevie on July 30, 2018, 01:53:32 AM
Utter shite you talk, some are just sick of watching slow motion car crashes, and other people are entitled to a different view than your fucking smug bubble of a few, the doom merchants have been right the last few years unfortunately, and things look no better at the moment, but i'm sure everyone is hoping it takes the upward turn the club and all fans desperately want and need...

He's hardly talking utter shite, the amount of toxicity steaming out of the neganancies over the slightest thing has been draining to read across the Everton portion of the web. If it's not moaning about results, it's the immediate surrender of wanting players as soon as a vague link with another club comes in, or making up false rumours about people leaving or internal fallouts or suggesting replacements for Pickford based on a rumored interest by Chelsea like it's a given
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on July 30, 2018, 02:21:01 AM
He's hardly talking utter shite, the amount of toxicity steaming out of the neganancies over the slightest thing has been draining to read across the Every on poration of the web. If it's not moaning about results, it's the immediate surrender of wanting players as soon as a vague link with another club comes in, or making up false rumours about people leaving or internal fallouts or suggesting replacements for Pickford based on a rumored interest by Chelsea like it's a given
Saying anyone will be happy is talking shite, many didn't want Silva which should be fine, as should thinking he'll be the best since Kendall, alternative views and all that...As for rumours on twatter etc who gives a fuck. 
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Shropshire Blue on July 30, 2018, 02:26:06 AM
This is all a bit deja-vu. Remember project fear and everything will be wonderful before Brexit vote?
 We were in a mess last season, no real doubt about that. There is a new regime in the boardroom and on the playing side and we have to build our way out of it. It's a whole new ball game for us fans.
Reality probably lies somewhere in between disaster and finishing in the top 4.

Someone did make the point about there being an information vacuum and I think that might have some value. There must be loads the club cannot say but just them actually saying that shows they know we are still here and waiting. Saying nothing at all is risky.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Paddockoldie on July 30, 2018, 02:37:03 AM
We live in a world of fake news. Social media enables any crank to post shit. You can't control that but you can in how you react to it.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Ross on July 30, 2018, 02:41:22 AM
This is all a bit deja-vu. Remember project fear and everything will be wonderful before Brexit vote?
 We were in a mess last season, no real doubt about that. There is a new regime in the boardroom and on the playing side and we have to build our way out of it. It's a whole new ball game for us fans.
Reality probably lies somewhere in between disaster and finishing in the top 4.

Someone did make the point about there being an information vacuum and I think that might have some value. There must be loads the club cannot say but just them actually saying that shows they know we are still here and waiting. Saying nothing at all is risky.

Not really a big change in the boardroom though is there?

Just swapped Elstone for DBB with a bit of musical chairs.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Shropshire Blue on July 30, 2018, 02:49:39 AM
Not really a big change in the boardroom though is there?

Just swapped Elstone for DBB with a bit of musical chairs.
I was referring more to Moshiri arriving and, like him or hate him, the change from the more predictable Bill to...... what? I think we're still discovering that.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on July 30, 2018, 02:51:32 AM
This is all a bit deja-vu. Remember project fear and everything will be wonderful before Brexit vote?
 We were in a mess last season, no real doubt about that. There is a new regime in the boardroom and on the playing side and we have to build our way out of it. It's a whole new ball game for us fans.
Reality probably lies somewhere in between disaster and finishing in the top 4.

Someone did make the point about there being an information vacuum and I think that might have some value. There must be loads the club cannot say but just them actually saying that shows they know we are still here and waiting. Saying nothing at all is risky.
Think you can take the silence any which way, for some it's a relief the Mosh isn't on the phone to SSN every night during the transfer period, for others it's taken as there being deep unrest and power struggle going off, but they do seem to be keeping their heads down, lets hope it's because Usmanov needs it quiet before a big entrance, we can hope.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Ross on July 30, 2018, 03:09:45 AM
I was referring more to Moshiri arriving and, like him or hate him, the change from the more predictable Bill to...... what? I think we're still discovering that.

Definitely worth noting predicable had us a lot more stable and closer to the top tier, winning things, than we’ve been for a while.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Confucius on July 30, 2018, 03:12:15 AM
When is Usmanov’s funeral?
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: TheTone on July 30, 2018, 03:14:24 AM
Whatever happened to @Django (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4371) ? Proper itk that lad
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Shropshire Blue on July 30, 2018, 03:32:12 AM
When is Usmanov’s funeral?
I've just checked and he's still clinging on. Just.☺
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Cereal Killer on July 30, 2018, 03:36:38 AM
Whatever happened to @Django (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4371) ? Proper itk that lad

Got busted by Big Sam for pinching the team sheet every week and exiled to Siberia
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: dangermouse on July 30, 2018, 07:09:23 AM
All kinds of shite flying around atm, the knives are out for us, sadly from our own fans it seems. DBB now supposedly walking away, we had Brands, " sold a turkey" a few weeks ago, players don't want to sign or are hanging back for better, Walcott supposed rift with Silva, the ground move has gone quiet, it must have fell through and even Moshiri walking away. I mean is there anything fucking else ? The world cup has finished nothing to occupy people's minds I suppose. What will be will be.

My opinion....these rumours all come from one place... a dark scary place were people are desperate to be heard.

I won’t give away the details... as I’ve lost my tin hat and they might be watching.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: School of Science on July 30, 2018, 11:27:03 AM
My opinion....these rumours all come from one place... a dark scary place were people are desperate to be heard.

I won’t give away the details... as I’ve lost my tin hat and they might be watching.

The truth is out there bro......keep searching.  ;)
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Bluedylan on July 30, 2018, 11:47:03 PM
Yeah Denise Barrett Baxendale defo looks on the way out, as she's fronting the new move to the Liver Building on the OS.

Another big win for the twitterati.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Brownie on July 31, 2018, 12:05:26 AM
Yeah Denise Barrett Baxendale defo looks on the way out, as she's fronting the new move to the Liver Building on the OS.

Another big win for the twitterati.

Twatterati
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Cozzie on July 31, 2018, 01:27:36 AM
Too many tweets make a twat.

I blame twitter for everything to be honest.

Near enough every meltdown can be attributed too it.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: brap2 on July 31, 2018, 01:32:22 AM
Definitely bad for your mental health, Twitter.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: blue slug on July 31, 2018, 01:34:43 AM
Definitely bad for your mental health, Twitter.

One thing I’ve never been on at all
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Macca77 on July 31, 2018, 01:38:38 AM
Unfollowed quite a few blues over the last few days, absolute cranks
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Lxxx on July 31, 2018, 08:15:26 PM
Never bothered with it for years, didn't know what the fuss was about. Now it's the most entertaining thing I've ever seen.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Toddacelli on July 31, 2018, 10:29:33 PM
Whatever happened to @Django (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4371) ? Proper itk that lad

Legged it with @Shorty (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=5)
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Waltzer on August 07, 2018, 01:22:43 PM
 Kronke has just offered 1.8 billion to buy arsenal, could these next few days get even better?
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Fynci on August 07, 2018, 01:36:45 PM
Kronke has just offered 1.8 billion to buy arsenal, could these next few days get even better?

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/45094538

BBC breaking news
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Fynci on August 07, 2018, 01:41:29 PM
I hope he gets a reveal video, pulling up in a yacht waving wads of cash.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Cozzie on August 07, 2018, 01:43:58 PM
Don't do this to me.

Not after the Bernard news.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: stirlingblue on August 07, 2018, 01:47:09 PM
Kronke says that Usmanov has agreed to sell to him
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Gary1878 on August 07, 2018, 01:49:32 PM
Usmanov apparently let Kroenke know that he was now open to selling and hence came the offer.

Usmanov is in a losing position at Arsenal with both men not agreeing, and Kroenke has a 67% position, leaving him in control. Usmanov doesnt even have a position on the board.

Come over to the blue side my sweet Russian Oligarch
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Macca77 on August 07, 2018, 01:51:58 PM
Blimey, hope big Usmanov has uncle Bill's number
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Macca77 on August 07, 2018, 01:55:43 PM
Why do people think he will now invest in us though? It's just speculation isn't it?
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: phillyt on August 07, 2018, 01:56:09 PM
Sky news are saying he has accepted the offer.

Hope he hasn’t ever tweeted anything naughty or the red shite will find it. 😂
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: 74Blue on August 07, 2018, 01:56:25 PM
Blimey, hope big Usmanov has uncle Bill's number
It's sound, he can always text his mate Mosh for uncle Bill's digits.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Robioto on August 07, 2018, 02:01:15 PM
Imagine if we have our Man City moment on deadline day as Uzmanov buys into Everton. Who would be our Robinho?

I'm dreaming again...
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Robioto on August 07, 2018, 02:01:42 PM
Why do people think he will now invest in us though? It's just speculation isn't it?

Yes.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: brap2 on August 07, 2018, 02:05:57 PM
Imagine if we have our Man City moment on deadline day as Uzmanov buys into Everton. Who would be our Robinho?

I'm dreaming again...

Koulibaly and N’dombele.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: stirlingblue on August 07, 2018, 02:10:41 PM
Sky news are saying he has accepted the offer.

Hope he hasn't ever tweeted anything naughty or the red shite will find it.

They won’t have to look far, he’s got a very shady past with strong rumours of being a bit of a gangster
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Heisenberg on August 07, 2018, 02:14:41 PM
Show me the dirty Russian money
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: MmmblueBernard on August 07, 2018, 02:22:07 PM
They won’t have to look far, he’s got a very shady past with strong rumours of being a bit of a gangster

So what? If it’s not been an issue for Arsenal then why should it be an issue for us (morals cast aside for a moment)?

Yes the redshite will cry foul and dig a little deeper for some shit to fling but would it stick and do damage? doubt it.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Trowel on August 07, 2018, 02:24:33 PM
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Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Waltzer on August 07, 2018, 02:26:48 PM
I want Mbappe......
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Trowel on August 07, 2018, 02:32:22 PM
Kronke is saddling Arsenal with £557m of debt to push this through.

Bodes well for us passing them in the future, even if Usmanov passes on us.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Macca77 on August 07, 2018, 02:35:54 PM
The USM arena
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Cozzie on August 07, 2018, 02:36:40 PM
Imagine the fume from the Arsenal fans if Usmanov builds a dynasty here and we over take them.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Lxxx on August 07, 2018, 02:38:01 PM
Why do people think he will now invest in us though? It's just speculation isn't it?

This. Just because he invested in a club previously, a local club to where he has a house and was on record as doing it for his family, there’s no suggestion he’ll swap them for us. He might just walk away from football.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Bigstickytoffee on August 07, 2018, 02:40:29 PM
Holy shit! What a 24hrs this has been, the potential for what could be is unreal!
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Hawkandro on August 07, 2018, 02:42:38 PM
He will probably be looking to take his money out of the UK, after seeing what has happened at Chelsea, and with the political issues between the two countries. Doesn't mean he can't be a silent partner though... Imagine he would be interested in using some of his steel to build the USM Arena.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Waltzer on August 07, 2018, 02:44:08 PM
This. Just because he invested in a club previously, a local club to where he has a house and was on record as doing it for his family, there's no suggestion he'll swap them for us. He might just walk away from football.
It's a case of putting 2 and 2 together and hopefully getting 4. He has gone on record as wanting to lead a club,  he has worked extensively with Moshiri, Moshiri has an agreement to buy the remaining Everton shares yet has never done so? Usmanov USM sponsor or training facility. Yes it could be wrong,  but there are a lot of things that indicate it might just happen?
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: stirlingblue on August 07, 2018, 02:51:42 PM
So what? If it's not been an issue for Arsenal then why should it be an issue for us (morals cast aside for a moment)?

Yes the redshite will cry foul and dig a little deeper for some shit to fling but would it stick and do damage? doubt it.

Casting morals aside is never a great stance to take, that’s stooping to RS levels.

It’s not like I’d stop supporting the club, but I’d certainly be unhappy about having somebody like Usmanov associated with the club.

I like to think we’re a ‘good’ club with the history we have of supporting past players and things like Everton in the community. We all want success, but not at the cost of that identity.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on August 07, 2018, 02:54:42 PM
Identity? Ask a City fan if they prefer their old identity of being the poor mans, ugly sister but loveable identity in the shadow of a mighty United. Or their new identity of being the best, richest, most attractive team in England, full of new silverware and now challenging the world elite. I know which one most would prefer...
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Waltzer on August 07, 2018, 02:55:21 PM
Casting morals aside is never a great stance to take, that’s stooping to RS levels.

It’s not like I’d stop supporting the club, but I’d certainly be unhappy about having somebody like Usmanov associated with the club.

I like to think we’re a ‘good’ club with the history we have of supporting past players and things like Everton in the community. We all want success, but not at the cost of that identity.

Get what you're saying but us winning stuff having a great team, Champions League football etc etc etc would get me over that moral dilemma
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Cozzie on August 07, 2018, 02:56:25 PM
Casting morals aside is never a great stance to take, that’s stooping to RS levels.

It’s not like I’d stop supporting the club, but I’d certainly be unhappy about having somebody like Usmanov associated with the club.

I like to think we’re a ‘good’ club with the history we have of supporting past players and things like Everton in the community. We all want success, but not at the cost of that identity.

Couldn't give 2 shits.

Don't think City did either when Aguero scored that goal.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Hawkandro on August 07, 2018, 02:57:53 PM
Plus, I doubt it would stop us doing the Everton in the Community stuff, City do really well in that area, and are pretty much leading the redevelopment of East Manchester.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: blargins on August 07, 2018, 03:00:00 PM
We’re a football club first.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: phillyt on August 07, 2018, 03:24:20 PM
This. Just because he invested in a club previously, a local club to where he has a house and was on record as doing it for his family, there’s no suggestion he’ll swap them for us. He might just walk away from football.

He is already backing us. He’s always worked with moshiri, the only thing stopping it being official was his arsenal ownership. That seems to have been solved now.

On a side note the esk( yeah I know) is suggesting the deal to sell arsenal will be done by 3pm. Is that likely to be accurate. How can it be so quick?
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Sir Stealth on August 07, 2018, 03:24:53 PM
For anyone needing a finance and football expert to explain the whole thing to them in a super informative and interesting way there's a guy on Twitter called The Esk who has the inside track

I'm fairly sure he has detailed information from behind the scenes. He knew stuff about the Richarlison and now Bernard deals literally just hours after it became public knowledge
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Macca77 on August 07, 2018, 03:25:01 PM
So its looking like Usmanov will have £600 million quid burning a hole in his arse picket pretty soon
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: phillyt on August 07, 2018, 03:28:26 PM
So its looking like Kenwright and woods will have £200 million quid burning a hole in their arse picket pretty soon

I fixed it for you.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on August 07, 2018, 03:29:14 PM
Bit late now. Could have got Ronaldo!

;)
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Cereal Killer on August 07, 2018, 03:32:10 PM
For anyone needing a finance and football expert to explain the whole thing to them in a super informative and interesting way there's a guy on Twitter called The Esk who has the inside track

I'm fairly sure he has detailed information from behind the scenes. He knew stuff about the Richarlison and now Bernard deals literally just hours after it became public knowledge

 :headbang: just no, stop it

He knows no more than anyone on here, he may have researched and spent loads of time looking at football finance, but when it comes to knowledge of what's actually going on at Everton he spouts more random guesses than most journalists. If you spout enough shit, you'll get something right eventually leading to the gullible to assume you actually know what you're talking about
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Sir Stealth on August 07, 2018, 03:37:05 PM
:headbang: just no, stop it

He knows no more than anyone on here, he may have researched and spent loads of time looking at football finance, but when it comes to knowledge of what's actually going on at Everton he spouts more random guesses than most journalists. If you spout enough shit, you'll get something right eventually leading to the gullible to assume you actually know what you're talking about

Oh I was being 100% sarcastic
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Ramjam on August 07, 2018, 03:38:29 PM
We’re on the march with Ally’s army

Ally Usmanov that is.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: dunkster on August 07, 2018, 03:39:55 PM
How the rich get richer eh. Bought his share 500 odd million..no seat on the board, no say in anything...sells for 1.8 billion
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Sixx1402 on August 07, 2018, 03:41:17 PM
Why is anyone so bothered?

It's not like we can go out and spend £300 mill anyway because of FFP so what difference does it make?

Moshiri has plenty of cash anyway I don't see the big deal, am I missing something?
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Lxxx on August 07, 2018, 03:43:31 PM
He is already backing us. He’s always worked with moshiri, the only thing stopping it being official was his arsenal ownership. That seems to have been solved now.

On a side note the esk( yeah I know) is suggesting the deal to sell arsenal will be done by 3pm. Is that likely to be accurate. How can it be so quick?

He's not already backing us, he's sponsoring the training ground. As for stopping it being official, I think your wishful thinking is clouding your judgement there.

Let's just start dealing in facts and if and when things do materialise then let's get excited.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: KingdingalingNL on August 07, 2018, 03:44:52 PM
How the rich get richer eh. Bought his share 500 odd million..no seat on the board, no say in anything...sells for 1.8 billion

I think it prices arsenal at 1.8billion but Usmanov gets 600m for his shares
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Macca77 on August 07, 2018, 03:51:04 PM
600 million would build us a lovely new stadium
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: indiantoffee1975 on August 07, 2018, 04:06:38 PM
I dont care about being a 'good football club', others clubs have history as well and are still successful in the PL era.
Its about winning and winning Silverware at any cost. If the dynamics of the club have to change to an extent with Usmanov on board then i'm all for it.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Jacko4468 on August 07, 2018, 04:09:01 PM
£600m could buy us 3 or 4 world class players 😀
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on August 07, 2018, 04:12:33 PM
Balls to it, lets let United have Mina, and we can buy Alderweireld and Maguire, and Casemiro too. That should do the trick ;)
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Makis on August 07, 2018, 04:17:33 PM
:headbang: just no, stop it

He knows no more than anyone on here, he may have researched and spent loads of time looking at football finance, but when it comes to knowledge of what's actually going on at Everton he spouts more random guesses than most journalists. If you spout enough shit, you'll get something right eventually leading to the gullible to assume you actually know what you're talking about
Yeah, Esk is full of shit. He's been saying Usmanov is not selling his shares for a good two years now. He is also adamant we should build a 60k+ stadium but his calculations are wonky. I have pointed this out twice but he refuses to even discuss this.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on August 07, 2018, 04:18:26 PM
So its looking like Usmanov will have £600 million quid burning a hole in his arse picket pretty soon

If he doesn’t give us the whole 600m for players before Thursdays deadline he’s a fraud
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on August 07, 2018, 04:19:46 PM
Where's The Usmanov money Bill? (C)

NURSE? MAKE IT STOP :(
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Toffee1 on August 07, 2018, 04:20:49 PM
Where's The Usmanov money Bill? (C)

NURSE? MAKE IT STOP :(

Depends on how good looking the nurse is and what she is doing.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: toshyboy on August 07, 2018, 04:29:43 PM
Don't really know where to post this but suppose it's a target of some description.

Apparently people high up at United have got wind that Usmanov is coming on board in the summer and are shitting it.

He's already here in capacity but wants in with the ground etc.

Hopefully this comes to fruition, you'd like to think he'd run a better ship than his mate.

Just reading the op from January, all seems to be coming together
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Bluedylan on August 07, 2018, 04:30:26 PM
Bit premature to get carried away by any of this.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: TheTone on August 07, 2018, 04:32:49 PM
On a side note the esk( yeah I know) is suggesting the deal to sell arsenal will be done by 3pm. Is that likely to be accurate. How can it be so quick?

It takes just a minute to sign 'Big Usi' on a few legal papers like
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: toshyboy on August 07, 2018, 04:34:51 PM
It takes just a minute to sign 'Big Usi' on a few legal papers like

Thank fuck there’d be no medical
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Macca77 on August 07, 2018, 04:45:59 PM
Deal will be announced to the stock exchange this afternoon
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Jimmywhack on August 07, 2018, 04:49:25 PM
 A lot of 2 + 2 = Usmanov on here
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Jamokachi on August 07, 2018, 04:50:27 PM
How the rich get richer eh. Bought his share 500 odd million..no seat on the board, no say in anything...sells for 1.8 billion

He's not getting 1.8 billion for his shares. The sales of his shares values the club at 1.8 billion.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Gash on August 07, 2018, 04:50:56 PM
On a side note the esk( yeah I know) is suggesting the deal to sell arsenal will be done by 3pm. Is that likely to be accurate. How can it be so quick?

It'll have been going on for weeks probably months, it's only now that it's getting close to the end that it's been made public.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Trowel on August 07, 2018, 04:52:39 PM
The 3pm thing was part of the official public announcement to the stock exchange this morning.

That's how ITK The Esk is.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: toshyboy on August 07, 2018, 04:53:01 PM
A lot of 2 + 2 = Usmanov on here

U gotta have hope and dreams, which suddenly today seem more feasible than ever

Might not happen, but surely we’ve all dreamt of “doing a city”
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Macca77 on August 07, 2018, 04:58:27 PM
A lot of 2 + 2 = Usmanov on here


Surely it should be, 2 + 2 = £600 million?
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Gary1878 on August 07, 2018, 05:03:33 PM
Telegraph reporting it - https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2018/08/07/alisher-usmanov-could-now-invest-everton-deal-agreed-sell-arsenal/
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Bluedylan on August 07, 2018, 05:04:59 PM
Bloody hell, Bascombe's having some of it.

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Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Waltzer on August 07, 2018, 05:05:16 PM
Why is anyone so bothered?

It's not like we can go out and spend £300 mill anyway because of FFP so what difference does it make?

Moshiri has plenty of cash anyway I don't see the big deal, am I missing something?

FFP can be easily manipulated, do you think PSG turnover is that great that they can buy Neymar for 200 million, Mpabbe for 140 odd and pay them about 500k a week? If Usmanov came in all of a sudden our stadium naming rights go from about 15 million a year from the Tesco Stadium to about 80 million a year and its the USM arena. There are more than one way to skin a cat and hopefully we'll find that out.

And on a side note, Moshiri is rich compared to us on here, but I dont even think hes in the top 8 in the Premiership, let alone Europe. His billion came to late to influence us like they would've 10 years ago, Usmanov on the other hand propels us to a different stratosphere
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Lxxx on August 07, 2018, 05:07:40 PM
Telegraph reporting it - https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2018/08/07/alisher-usmanov-could-now-invest-everton-deal-agreed-sell-arsenal/

Nothing new there though.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Gary1878 on August 07, 2018, 05:09:42 PM
FFP can be easily manipulated, do you think PSG turnover is that great that they can buy Neymar for 200 million, Mpabbe for 140 odd and pay them about 500k a week? If Usmanov came in all of a sudden our stadium naming rights go from about 15 million a year from the Tesco Stadium to about 80 million a year and its the USM arena. There are more than one way to skin a cat and hopefully we'll find that out.

And on a side note, Moshiri is rich compared to us on here, but I dont even think hes in the top 8 in the Premiership, let alone Europe. His billion came to late to influence us like they would've 10 years ago, Usmanov on the other hand propels us to a different stratosphere

I believe this is true to some extent but not entirely. The sponsorship has to have a realistic value, otherwise it will break FFP rules. However, all PSG and City do is pay the £50m fine from UEFA and be done with it.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Jamokachi on August 07, 2018, 05:11:31 PM
Telegraph reporting it - https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2018/08/07/alisher-usmanov-could-now-invest-everton-deal-agreed-sell-arsenal/

Oh hello.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: TheRam on August 07, 2018, 05:13:51 PM
Not a chance Bascombe reports that without a nod from the club.

Always thought usmanov was the man behind us since moshiri. He’s coming in sooner or later.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on August 07, 2018, 05:15:15 PM
I'm sure far, far superior minds than ours will already have solutions. Or know how much to pay the right people ;)

With a new ground move on the way, and a mahoosive redevelopment of a large dock front and cosmopolitan area of a major city, there will be plenty of opportunities...

Rejoice in the jizzyness of all this positivity and happiness, as we all know we will be brought back down to earth and reality soon enough. But for now, lets make the most of it :D

Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Ramjam on August 07, 2018, 05:23:45 PM
USM stadium at BMD

That works for me
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Macca77 on August 07, 2018, 05:24:50 PM
It's on lads, the money he gets will be used to build USM Bramley Moore
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Hawkandro on August 07, 2018, 05:26:00 PM
I believe this is true to some extent but not entirely. The sponsorship has to have a realistic value, otherwise it will break FFP rules. However, all PSG and City do is pay the £50m fine from UEFA and be done with it.

I also believe he couldn't sponsor the stadium or the training ground if he comes on-board, so maybe he will sit as a silent partner?
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Lazarou on August 07, 2018, 05:26:21 PM
USM stadium at BMD

That works for me

BUMMDS Stadium
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Ravardo on August 07, 2018, 05:31:40 PM
Would there be any chance he might buy newcastle out right instead of coming here
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: themilkycoffees on August 07, 2018, 05:32:40 PM
"Hello and welcome to the USM Arena at Bramley Moore Dock..."
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Ramjam on August 07, 2018, 05:36:12 PM
Would there be any chance he might buy newcastle out right instead of coming here
Is Newcastle for sale?
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: MmmblueBernard on August 07, 2018, 05:41:43 PM
Is Newcastle for sale?

Yes, but fathead Ashley wants absolutely silly money for a no-mark club with no history.

Nice stadium big mind.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Alanvideo on August 07, 2018, 05:43:39 PM
It's on lads, the money he gets will be used to build USM Bramley Moore
........................not quite as simple as that. If Usmanov comes in I reckon we'll still take the council loan and USM might facilitate the rest in the form of another loan .  Rich people don't spend capital ,they always use other people's money  .
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: dunkster on August 07, 2018, 05:48:09 PM
Would there be any chance he might buy newcastle out right instead of coming here

That would surprise me. The whole sponsorship of the training ground thing is a very clear indication that he is involved in everton. Be hard not to get excited at the potential of what is trying to be achieved.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: dunkster on August 07, 2018, 05:50:57 PM
Wouldn't this make us the second richest club (backing wise) in the premiership?
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Gary1878 on August 07, 2018, 05:51:01 PM
........................not quite as simple as that. If Usmanov comes in I reckon we'll still take the council loan and USM might facilitate the rest in the form of another loan .  Rich people don't spend capital ,they always use other people's money  .

They should be able to get the loan for 1%+LIBOR (currently 0.8 for GBP 3m LIBOR) which is common terms for institutional investors. This is as long as the loan is secured against collateral. Given that UK interest rates aren't due to go much past 2% at their peak before falling again, then it is a good medium/long term business plan.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Waltzer on August 07, 2018, 05:55:54 PM
Wouldn't this make us the second richest club (backing wise) in the premiership?

Think so, although its still something like 20 billion behind City, that blokes family have an estimated wealth in excess of 1 trillion and his personal wealth is about 30 billion.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: GLewis on August 07, 2018, 05:55:54 PM
I also believe he couldn't sponsor the stadium or the training ground if he comes on-board, so maybe he will sit as a silent partner?

The rules are that the sponsorship has to be in line with the market.

So if we had a deal that was 100 times more than anyone else, it would look dodgy.

If it’s in line with other deals (which for us is a big increase) then it would be fine.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on August 07, 2018, 05:57:27 PM
They should be able to get the loan for 1%+LIBOR (currently 0.8 for GBP 3m LIBOR) which is common terms for institutional investors. This is as long as the loan is secured against collateral. Given that UK interest rates aren't due to go much past 2% at their peak before falling again, then it is a good medium/long term business plan.

If we get anywhere near 2% in the next 5 years then I'd be surprised if they fell again.

In theory it sounds good though.
Still not sure the club would get 1% above Libor, they're usually quite high risk, even with collateral and wealthy backers.

If we're looking to borrow the money, then the best place (interest rate wise) will still be jumping in to bed with the Local Council.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on August 07, 2018, 05:58:18 PM
It doesnt matter how rich someone is.

You could have someone worth 100 billion and spend 1 billion over 5 years.

Or someone worth a MEASELEY 3 billion and spend 2 billion over 2 years.

The affluence is in the spending. So lets get 2 centre backs, a def mid, a world class striker and a proper pair of trainers.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Lxxx on August 07, 2018, 06:00:52 PM
Yes, but fathead Ashley wants absolutely silly money for a no-mark club with no history.

Nice stadium big mind.

Man City had no history but they had a nice new stadium. Newcastle mightn't have no real tradition but they do have a large city full of idiots who'll line up to fill the stadium every week and have hundreds of thousands of people buy every bit of club merchandise going just to prove they're a fan, in a one club city.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: dangermouse on August 07, 2018, 06:02:14 PM
Why is anyone so bothered?

It's not like we can go out and spend £300 mill anyway because of FFP so what difference does it make?

Moshiri has plenty of cash anyway I don't see the big deal, am I missing something?

USM Goodison Park will bring in a nice £100m
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Waltzer on August 07, 2018, 06:02:41 PM
It doesnt matter how rich someone is.

You could have someone worth 100 billion and spend 1 billion over 5 years.

Or someone worth a MEASELEY 3 billion and spend 2 billion over 2 years.

The affluence is in the spending. So lets get 2 centre backs, a def mid, a world class striker and a proper pair of trainers.


Thats true, but I think if youve got 100 billion you're more like to spend 2 billion than someone with 3 billion, wasting a 66.6% of your wealth isnt as appealing as wasting 2% is it!
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on August 07, 2018, 06:04:38 PM
It’s still all very 2+2 = 5 at the moment. Nothing concrete in this at all, just conjecture and speculation.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Gary1878 on August 07, 2018, 06:04:44 PM
If we get anywhere near 2% in the next 5 years then I'd be surprised if they fell again.

In theory it sounds good though.
Still not sure the club would get 1% above Libor, they're usually quite high risk, even with collateral and wealthy backers.

If we're looking to borrow the money, then the best place (interest rate wise) will still be jumping in to bed with the Local Council.

BoE has said that they want to get to 2% by 2020 to normalise rates before loosening again, so you can only go on their guidance. With a tighening labour market, they will need to raise rates, but not too far given the UK consumers debt level.

My clients with only £1m collateral in terms of securities (equities and bonds) obtain 1%+LIBOR, so whilst a bridging loan might be higher than this whilst the stadium is being built, Everton should be able to achieve very close to these terms once they have collateral and the stadium is built.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on August 07, 2018, 06:04:56 PM
USM Goodison Dock. A modular 60, 70, 80,000 super stadium.

USM Goodison Park, kept going to develop and showcase our amazing academy/u23 games...
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on August 07, 2018, 06:09:37 PM
BoE has said that they want to get to 2% by 2020 to normalise rates before loosening again, so you can only go on their guidance. With a tighening labour market, they will need to raise rates, but not too far given the UK consumers debt level.

My clients with only £1m collateral in terms of securities (equities and bonds) obtain 1%+LIBOR, so whilst a bridging loan might be higher than this whilst the stadium is being built, Everton should be able to achieve very close to these terms once they have collateral and the stadium is built.

I'd persoanlly be surprised if they got to 2% in 17 months, stranger things have happenned I suppose.

Maybe there will be an element of regeneration the club commit to and we use both the club and the council.
Either way, it's a lot better than the old days of paying ridiculous % from offshore lenders.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on August 07, 2018, 06:31:24 PM
Not a chance Bascombe reports that without a nod from the club.

Always thought usmanov was the man behind us since moshiri. He’s coming in sooner or later.

Like a useful Phillip green
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Cereal Killer on August 07, 2018, 06:48:24 PM
The rules are that the sponsorship has to be in line with the market.

So if we had a deal that was 100 times more than anyone else, it would look dodgy.

If it’s in line with other deals (which for us is a big increase) then it would be fine.

A Danny Murphy led PL panel would decide that the deal is far too large and inappropriate for little Everton and so veto it  ::)
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: SANA_DR0 on August 07, 2018, 06:50:38 PM
what great news :D KSE thankyou.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Toffee1 on August 07, 2018, 06:50:45 PM
A Danny Murphy led PL panel would decide that the deal is far too large and inappropriate for little Everton and so veto it  ::)

I really hate that Gollum wannabe - speaks and acts like he knows a lot but in reality knows very little.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Simon Paul on August 07, 2018, 06:54:13 PM
Bet he just buys an island and fucks off for a bit
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Bob Sacamano on August 07, 2018, 07:04:19 PM
Not having this at all. Two reasons:

1. We’re not allowed nice things.
2. I’ve been hurt before.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Toffee1 on August 07, 2018, 07:07:05 PM
Was thinking the other day that teams like the Boston Red Sox and the Chicago Cubs have now got over their so-called curses and won things/progressed, why not us?

A long way to go but maybe things are turning in the right direction for us.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Waltzer on August 07, 2018, 07:07:38 PM
Nearly a year old, but its worth reviewing again to see how closely aligned Moshiri and Usmanov are and where the money came from to initially buy Everton:

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/nov/05/arsenal-everton-stakeholders-close-ties-leaked-files-alisher-usmanov-farhad-moshiri
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Hawkandro on August 07, 2018, 07:30:44 PM
https://twitter.com/david_conn/status/1026806623749267456
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Macca77 on August 07, 2018, 07:33:02 PM
Didn't want him anyway

 :hmph:
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Jimmywhack on August 07, 2018, 07:33:21 PM
https://twitter.com/david_conn/status/1026806623749267456

(http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/BooThisMan.gif)
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Lazarou on August 07, 2018, 07:37:11 PM
https://twitter.com/david_conn/status/1026806623749267456

Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: TheRam on August 07, 2018, 07:38:43 PM
I think he’s investing in another club.

Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: brap2 on August 07, 2018, 07:42:00 PM
Well that would be fucking shit.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Hawkandro on August 07, 2018, 07:43:21 PM
I think he’s investing in another club.

Please don't be West Ham. Please don't be West Ham. Please don't be West Ham.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Bigstickytoffee on August 07, 2018, 07:45:50 PM
What he says and what he does may be 2 different things. To say he's investing drives up prices of players we're interested in now and would hardly be helpful.

Fingers crossed it is a bit of a smoke screen.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Robioto on August 07, 2018, 07:47:25 PM
https://twitter.com/david_conn/status/1026806623749267456

I'm not sure this means a lot at the moment. But my heart did sink a bit when I read it.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Mick 1995 on August 07, 2018, 07:48:12 PM
Fucking hell. No indication he's coming: he probably is
Actually comes out and says no: it's a bluff.

I can't wait till Con actually does kill him
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Robioto on August 07, 2018, 08:01:15 PM
Fucking hell. No indication he's coming: he probably is
Actually comes out and says no: it's a bluff.

I can't wait till Con actually does kill him

You're right, I'm clutching at straws here...
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Lxxx on August 07, 2018, 08:01:28 PM
As if anyone involved with or around him would let the press or general public know what his real intentions are about anything.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Cereal Killer on August 07, 2018, 08:03:17 PM
Yeah he's not investing

He's buying us outright  :cheers:
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Macca77 on August 07, 2018, 08:12:28 PM
As if anyone involved with or around him would let the press or general public know what his real intentions are about anything.

Exactly
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Shropshire Blue on August 07, 2018, 08:20:52 PM
As if anyone involved with or around him would let the press or general public know what his real intentions are about anything.
Disappointingly for us is that David Conn is right up there with the best and responsible journalists. Have a lot of time for him given his campaigning journalism over many years.
Fingers crossed it changes. 🙁]
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Lxxx on August 07, 2018, 08:28:48 PM
Disappointingly for us is that David Conn is right up there with the best and responsible journalists. Have a lot of time for him given his campaigning journalism over many years.
Fingers crossed it changes. 🙁]

I'm sure he is but a man of Usmanov's standing isn't going to let any of his close business associates or employees divulge sensitive information about his plans to a journalist, no matter how respected the journalist is.

What is relayed to the press will be exactly what he wants it to be. If he genuinely is planning on moving his wealth to Everton we won't know about it until it's all been agreed and completed behind the scenes.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: TheTone on August 07, 2018, 08:30:41 PM
(https://media2.giphy.com/media/9Y5BbDSkSTiY8/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Waltzer on August 07, 2018, 08:32:31 PM
Disappointingly for us is that David Conn is right up there with the best and responsible journalists. Have a lot of time for him given his campaigning journalism over many years.
Fingers crossed it changes. 🙁]

Not disappointing really as he is only repeating what someone has said, but people say lots of things, including these direct quotes from Usmanov late last year:

"In light of [reports], I would like to be clear that I am not holding any talks with Mr. Kroenke about a sale," Usmanov's statement read. "My interest in Arsenal from the beginning was long term and my intention has always been to buy additional shares should they become available.

"This I did with the purchase of the stake of my business partner Farhad Moshiri with which I increased my shareholding from 15 percent to 30 percent, and also with my proposed offer for the stake of the majority shareholder which valued the Club at some £2billion ($2.65bn). That offer remains valid today.

"I have always been and will continue to be an ardent supporter of Arsenal and I see my 30 percent stake as an important aspect in protecting the best interests of the fans in the Club."
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Brownie on August 07, 2018, 08:33:21 PM
Big Al said not too long ago that he'd be staying at Arsenal and was there for the long haul. Just saying
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Waltzer on August 07, 2018, 09:18:28 PM
Sources close to Usmanov, who has previously tried to buy Arsenal from Kroenke, have told Sky Sports News that he has decided to pursue other opportunities because of the US mogul's refusal to sell the club.

Doesnt mean its us, but....
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Waltzer on August 07, 2018, 09:28:08 PM
Alisher Usmanov’s decision to sell his stake to Arsenal’s majority shareholder Stan Kroenke may not end his involvement at a Premier League football club.

The prominent USM sign at Everton’s Finch Farm training facility is proof enough of the Russian billionaire’s empire’s enduring influence elsewhere.

The indications from the close to Usmanov, however, suggest he is more likely to look at other Premier League or European clubs rather than switch his attention to Goodison Park.

That will disappoint Everton fans, who have noted Usmanov’s business and personal relationship with Goodison’s majority shareholder Farhad Moshiri.

Moshiri sold his £200 million stake in Arsenal shareholder group Red and White Holdings, which he co-owned with Usmanov, to fund his initial £49.9 per cent purchase of Everton in 2016.

The Premier League investigated and ratified the deal amid whispers of Usmanov involvement, deeming it exclusively Moshiri’s project.

Although it was determined the ex-partners broke no rules, there is no hiding the fact Usmanov’s empire has already invested in Everton.

In January, 2017, Everton announced a £75 million deal with USM Holdings, which Usmanov and Moshiri founded in 2012, taking in several commercial packages.

The most significant was the rebranding of the Everton training ground.

Despite this most visible presence at a Premier League rival, Usmanov initially dismissed the idea Moshiri’s Everton switch impacted on his loyalty to Arsenal.

“I am committed to Arsenal and I will proudly retain my holding as a long-term investment for myself and my family to enjoy and benefit for generations to come,” he once said.

“I want the absolute best for Arsenal and am prepared to do whatever is necessary to ensure the success of the club.”

Evidently, that is no longer the case, but there is no suggestion at this stage he is planning to redirect his wealth to Merseyside.

Moshiri, who needs to push on with Everton’s stadium project on Liverpool’s docks, will not be counting on his friend to assist with his major plans for the club.

Last December, Everton confirmed they had secured a 200 year lease on the site at Bramley Moore Dock and would be submitting a planning application in 2018.

The new arena will cost £500 million, and although initial financing of £280 million comes from Liverpool City Council via the Public Works Loan Board - to be paid pack over 25 years - another £220 million must be immediately paid by the club.

Despite the club preparing for another new era on the pitch under manager Marco Silva, revitalising an ageing, overpaid and underperforming squad, Everton’s stadium proposals remain the most important and pressing issue to protect and enhance the club’s future.

For all Moshiri’s well-documented wealth, neither he nor Everton are shy to admit they welcome further investment to facilitate their vision.

Regardless of the significance of the Arsenal sale to the future finances at Everton – and it this stage there appear to be none -  it is unlikely to be the last time Usmanov is linked to an English club.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2018/08/07/alisher-usmanov-could-now-invest-everton-deal-agreed-sell-arsenal/
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Robioto on August 07, 2018, 09:31:03 PM
:(
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: kramer0 on August 07, 2018, 09:34:07 PM
We have everything we need to be a quality European side if we invest in the right staff and players. Genuinely not bothered about this guy.

Plus, isn't he sketchier than Abramovich?
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on August 07, 2018, 09:38:06 PM
"I have decided to sell my shares in Arsenal, which could be the best football club in the world," he said.


That OBVIOUSLY means that he is going to take over at Everton and make US the best football club in the world ;)
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Jimmywhack on August 07, 2018, 09:52:06 PM
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2018/08/07/alisher-usmanov-could-now-invest-everton-deal-agreed-sell-arsenal/
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Cozzie on August 07, 2018, 09:58:28 PM
Already been posted Jimmy but I really want this to happen now
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: TheRam on August 07, 2018, 10:07:30 PM
He’ll suit the club he’s going to.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Shropshire Blue on August 07, 2018, 10:08:44 PM
I hope Usmanov does come but the point I was making was that David Conn is not a cheap tabloid journo just tweeting for effect. What he puts out will be from a reliable source but what agenda is behind that reliable source is another matter.
Most rumours are little more than hearsay titbits put out to sell papers etc. His info will be better.

Do any of us really believe anything we read at a time like this?
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: sam of the south on August 07, 2018, 10:20:03 PM
He’ll suit the club he’s going to.

What have you heard, mate?
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Toddacelli on August 07, 2018, 10:20:41 PM
Nailed on coming.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Cozzie on August 07, 2018, 10:21:30 PM
Has to be us if he is to invest.

Makes every bit of sense.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Bigjmill on August 07, 2018, 10:25:03 PM
Obviously, based on this picture from Sky Sports there is defo nothing in it!  :hmph:
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Hesmenos on August 07, 2018, 11:36:17 PM
He's skint. Didn't want him anyway.  :hmph:
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: eugene on August 07, 2018, 11:41:13 PM
He will probably be looking to take his money out of the UK, after seeing what has happened at Chelsea, and with the political issues between the two countries. Doesn't mean he can't be a silent partner though... Imagine he would be interested in using some of his steel to build the USM Arena.
O dear ladas where made from Russian steel
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Gumpinio on August 08, 2018, 01:28:37 AM
Just in from work and would rather not slog through 29 pages.

Is there something in this?  Or is it wishful thinking?
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Robioto on August 08, 2018, 01:35:30 AM
Just in from work and would rather not slog through 29 pages.

Is there something in this?  Or is it wishful thinking?

Wishful thinking.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Martip on August 08, 2018, 01:48:39 AM
Wishful thinking.
But we are hanging on to it !
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Shropshire Blue on August 08, 2018, 02:30:06 AM
Just in from work and would rather not slog through 29 pages.

Is there something in this?  Or is it wishful thinking?
It's official he is selling his stake in Arsenal to Kroenke.
The rest is wishful thinking based on facts we already know but sometimes things we wish for do happen.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: bluenuck on August 08, 2018, 01:44:46 PM
Just in from work and would rather not slog through 29 pages.

Is there something in this?  Or is it wishful thinking?

It's wishful thinking, but the first penny has dropped, and a lot of dots connect.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Waltzer on August 08, 2018, 04:29:09 PM
Apologies In advance for the source!!

Bill Kenwright is in line to step down as Evertonchairman as early as tomorrow in a boardroom reshuffle that could see Farhad Moshiri join forces with Russian billionaire Alisher Usmanov, according to the Sun.

The newspaper claim Usmanov will figure in Moshiri’s bid to take full control of Everton after selling his stake in Arsenal yesterday for £550million.
The Sun report Usmanov will move to the Goodison Park boardroom and help former Arsenal ally Moshiri as the club plan huge changes
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Alanvideo on August 08, 2018, 04:33:06 PM
Apologies In advance for the source!!

Bill Kenwright is in line to step down as Evertonchairman as early as tomorrow in a boardroom reshuffle that could see Farhad Moshiri join forces with Russian billionaire Alisher Usmanov, according to the Sun.

The newspaper claim Usmanov will figure in Moshiri’s bid to take full control of Everton after selling his stake in Arsenal yesterday for £550million.
The Sun report Usmanov will move to the Goodison Park boardroom and help former Arsenal ally Moshiri as the club plan huge changes

..................Can't wait for the headline  USMAN-EV   ::)
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: dunkster on August 08, 2018, 04:41:16 PM
Be great if he does. He may be dodgie but I just don't care..lol
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Escla on August 08, 2018, 04:43:53 PM
I think he is going to buy Newcastle and still have 150 million of his Arsenal money to spend on players.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: TheRam on August 08, 2018, 04:53:12 PM
I think he is going to buy Newcastle and still have 150 million of his Arsenal money to spend on players.

I reckon West Ham.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: sam of the south on August 08, 2018, 04:54:36 PM
I reckon West Ham.

That would be horrible
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Audrey Horne on August 08, 2018, 04:55:11 PM
I reckon West Ham.

id cry - cant fucking stand them
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Waltzer on August 08, 2018, 04:56:39 PM
I think he is going to buy Newcastle and still have 150 million of his Arsenal money to spend on players.

I really hope not, surely Moshiri has to be all over this? Even if he wanted to do it on his own there must be a part of him that realises that if Usmanov were to buy some pile of s**t like Newcastle it dramatically alters the Premiership dynamic and our ability to crack the top 4. They must get on relatively well for them to have such a good and long alliance?

Although the more I think about it I think im just trying to convince myself that this is happening and he will come and we're Premiership Champions within 3 years!!
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: dangermouse on August 08, 2018, 05:00:37 PM
Is easier to plough millions into the club while not being an owner.......

Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Waltzer on August 08, 2018, 05:07:00 PM
Is easier to plough millions into the club while not being an owner.......



Maybe, but hes made it clear he wants to be an owner and the one running the ship, thats why he left Arsenal? Cant see him just investing somewhere as a silent partner
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Waltzer on August 08, 2018, 05:24:10 PM
Never heard of Mikhelson, or how reliable this bloke is, but thought id post anyway!

https://twitter.com/EvertonEFC1878/status/1027131566961688576
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Gary1878 on August 08, 2018, 05:29:27 PM
Never heard of Mikhelson, or how reliable this bloke is, but thought id post anyway!

https://twitter.com/EvertonEFC1878/status/1027131566961688576

He is the wealthiest man in Russia.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Toddacelli on August 08, 2018, 05:31:46 PM
He is the wealthiest man in Russia.

I am the sexiest man in Jamaica.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Waltzer on August 08, 2018, 05:31:56 PM
He is the wealthiest man in Russia.

In that case, if hes wants a piece of the action im happy to welcome him on-board!! :)
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: DanDan on August 08, 2018, 05:35:46 PM
There was talk months back that Usmanov was interested in buying AC Milan
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Ramjam on August 08, 2018, 05:38:50 PM
Moshiri was maybe just keeping his seat warm for him until he sold his Arsenal shares then move to one side as the big man takes full control at Goodison Park
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Lxxx on August 08, 2018, 05:41:31 PM
Moshiri was maybe just keeping his seat warm for him until he sold his Arsenal shares then move to one side as the big man takes full control at Goodison Park

He can even park his yacht outside the office for a short walk in.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Macca77 on August 08, 2018, 05:50:43 PM
Stop the nonsense lads
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Ramjam on August 08, 2018, 05:52:55 PM
Stop the nonsense lads
Start living the dream mate
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Brownie on August 14, 2018, 05:41:26 PM
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-08-14/russian-billionaire-mulls-new-soccer-clubs-after-arsenal-sale
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Waltzer on August 14, 2018, 05:45:57 PM
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-08-14/russian-billionaire-mulls-new-soccer-clubs-after-arsenal-sale

“We are friends with Farhad Moshiri,” he said. “If he needs the support, I am happy to help.”

If Moshiri isnt or hasnt been on the phone to him saying we need support then there is something wrong!!
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Bluedylan on August 14, 2018, 05:46:54 PM
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-08-14/russian-billionaire-mulls-new-soccer-clubs-after-arsenal-sale

In all the months and years of speculation, that's the first bit of actual concrete information, as in a quote from the man himself, that something might be possible.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Mick 1995 on August 14, 2018, 05:50:56 PM
Actual quote from the article,just to distill it.

“We are friends with Farhad Moshiri. If he needs the support, I am happy to help. Should there be a proposal or a possibility to invest in them with good potential returns, I would consider the deal"

Not sure there would be any returns - investing/buying into a club.
Financing a project like a new stadium however?
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Waltzer on August 14, 2018, 05:51:39 PM
In all the months and years of speculation, that's the first bit of actual concrete information, as in a quote from the man himself, that something might be possible.

100%, imo it would be criminal if we didnt look to obtain the resources of one of the richest men in the world who has just declared he would be open to the option. You'd hope we would be having those discussions at some level?
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Ramjam on August 14, 2018, 05:53:23 PM
"We are friends with Farhad Moshiri,” he said. "If he needs the support, I am happy to help.”

If Moshiri isnt or hasnt been on the phone to him saying we need support then there is something wrong!!
I think he’s saying come and get me, show me the love and I’ll show you the money, just give me a seat on the board and a voice in the decision making at the club
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Bluedylan on August 14, 2018, 05:54:08 PM
100%, imo it would be criminal if we didnt look to obtain the resources of one of the richest men in the world who has just declared he would be open to the option. You'd hope we would be having those discussions at some level?

I think those conversations would've been had a long time ago, and would be ongoing. No way he's invested in our training ground without discussions about something more substantial, on a preliminary level.

Maybe Moshiri wants this as his own thing, and doesn't want to be in Usmanov's shadow as such.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: van der Meyde on August 14, 2018, 06:01:17 PM
Actual quote from the article,just to distill it.

“We are friends with Farhad Moshiri. If he needs the support, I am happy to help. Should there be a proposal or a possibility to invest in them with good potential returns, I would consider the deal"

Not sure there would be any returns - investing/buying into a club.
Financing a project like a new stadium however?
There's always been the suggestion that building a new stadium would put Moshiri in a stronger position to sell us on for a profit.



Do we have any idea what sort of return you'd be talking about there?
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Lxxx on August 14, 2018, 06:01:23 PM
Of course he has had all the discussions needed with Moshiri as he is his business partner in other ventures. What he's doing there is setting the scene, drip feeding the info out there so it doesn't look like this was all discussed while he was still a shareholder with Arsenal.

He's a different type of investor than the lot across the park with their Twitter feed from the US and photo opportunities training with Jordan Henderson. I like to think he acts with a little more class, more in keeping with the way we like to conduct ourselves.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: brap2 on August 14, 2018, 06:25:31 PM
Of course he has had all the discussions needed with Moshiri as he is his business partner in other ventures. What he's doing there is setting the scene, drip feeding the info out there so it doesn't look like this was all discussed while he was still a shareholder with Arsenal.

He's a different type of investor than the lot across the park with their Twitter feed from the US and photo opportunities training with Jordan Henderson. I like to think he acts with a little more class, more in keeping with the way we like to conduct ourselves.

If he’s anywhere NEAR the owner then lot have shown themselves to be then we would be extremely lucky.

He’s also an alleged violent gangster, so I don’t think we can take the moral high ground on that one like.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Waltzer on August 14, 2018, 06:34:44 PM
Maybe Moshiri wants this as his own thing, and doesn't want to be in Usmanov's shadow as such.

Thats my only concern, however, hes obviously an intelligent man and he must realise to full-fill our potential he needs support. A man with his wealth cant do it on his own (he doesnt even make it into the top 15 in English football as is behind Bristol City and Brighton, http://uk.businessinsider.com/the-15-richest-billionaire-football-club-owners-in-england-2017-5/#15-brighton-and-hove-albion-owner-tony-bloom-net-worth-around-1-billion-1)
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Hawkandro on August 14, 2018, 06:47:19 PM
Moshiri is the Silver Surfer to Usmanov's Galactus.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Macca77 on August 14, 2018, 07:14:53 PM
So basically it's on and our Russian sugar daddy will be with us shortly
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Jimmywhack on August 14, 2018, 07:15:16 PM
Hmm interesting this
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Lxxx on August 14, 2018, 07:18:23 PM
If he’s anywhere NEAR the owner then lot have shown themselves to be then we would be extremely lucky.

He’s also an alleged violent gangster, so I don’t think we can take the moral high ground on that one like.

Not that bothered about how he acquired his wealth, it's a sliding scale of morality once you get into the billions.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: blue1948 on August 14, 2018, 07:21:53 PM
May be just may be this is why there has been no real disclosure on the stadium details!! God I love a good plot.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: pjk on August 14, 2018, 07:24:55 PM
This is the clearest indication that I've seen yet, that Usmanov may be willing to join us.




https://twitter.com/ALANMYERSMEDIA/status/1029332444837830657



Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Gary1878 on August 14, 2018, 07:28:57 PM
This says to me, let's start a dialogue. If Moshiri is open to investment, I really think this will happen.

I do think we are now a lot more attractive than we were 2 years ago, however you are essentially investing in an off-plan Stadium development project, with a strong football club brand attached to it. That does come with risks, but the risks have dramatically decreased since Moshiri got involved.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Mayor Farnum on August 14, 2018, 07:30:47 PM
Better get it done quickly; he looks like one more flight of stairs will finish him off.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: eugene on August 14, 2018, 07:35:16 PM
Between him and bill they’ve got more chins than a Chinese phone book
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: blue1948 on August 14, 2018, 07:48:06 PM
 ;D
Between him and bill they’ve got more chins than a Chinese phone book

You must have waited years to get that on here . ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Alanvideo on August 14, 2018, 07:49:43 PM
Wonder if he wants to buy our shares @Simon Paul (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=1)   ?
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: pjk on August 14, 2018, 08:11:31 PM
It's gathering pace.



https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-08-14/russian-billionaire-mulls-new-soccer-clubs-after-arsenal-sale
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Tinga on August 14, 2018, 08:27:03 PM
oh yes baby
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: arteta4spain on August 14, 2018, 08:29:30 PM
Moshiri is the Silver Surfer to Usmanov's Galactus.
Should that be “Silva” Surfer? I’ll get my coat. 🤦‍♂️
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: eugene on August 14, 2018, 08:34:34 PM
;D
You must have waited years to get that on here . ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
YES I’ll sleep tonight
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Gary1878 on August 14, 2018, 08:36:18 PM
Apparently, the indicative price of an Everton share is £2,500, and there are 35,000 shares in circulation. This gives an estimated value of £87.5m.

http://www.evertonfc.com/content/club/shareholders-association/list-of-shareholders
https://www.blankstonesington.co.uk/our-services/additional-services/football-club-shares/

However, Moshiri bought his 17,465 shares for (probably) £174.65m, making this £10,000 per share. You would think to buyout the other shareholders, the valuation would have to be higher than this to even consider it. However, even if he paid £250m, it is pocket change for him.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: eugene on August 14, 2018, 08:38:03 PM
I think I remember quite a number of shares are untraceable?
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: sam of the south on August 14, 2018, 08:41:30 PM
Fucking hell 🍆
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Robioto on August 14, 2018, 08:44:35 PM
It's gathering pace.



https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-08-14/russian-billionaire-mulls-new-soccer-clubs-after-arsenal-sale

I'm pretty sure that's the source Alan Myers got his quote from. I've not seen anything outside Bloomberg, suggesting it is the orginal source so anything else you see over the coming days is likely to be re-hashs of that article.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Alanvideo on August 14, 2018, 08:49:09 PM
Apparently, the indicative price of an Everton share is £2,500, and there are 35,000 shares in circulation. This gives an estimated value of £87.5m.

http://www.evertonfc.com/content/club/shareholders-association/list-of-shareholders
https://www.blankstonesington.co.uk/our-services/additional-services/football-club-shares/

However, Moshiri bought his 17,465 shares for (probably) £174.65m, making this £10,000 per share. You would think to buyout the other shareholders, the valuation would have to be higher than this to even consider it. However, even if he paid £250m, it is pocket change for him.

............the indicative price has gone up quite a bit in the past two years . Of course ,large blocks of shares command a higher price per unit.

I think I remember quite a number of shares are untraceable?
.............I think there are a number of single shares that people have forgot they ( or their parents ) owned and the club have been unable to trace relatives. But the number is insignificant.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: themilkycoffees on August 14, 2018, 09:17:36 PM
Would be a huge boost in financing the new stadium. USM Bramley Moore anyone?
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Brownie on August 14, 2018, 09:19:54 PM
Still think we should call it 'Big Al's Mosh Pit'
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: dunkster on August 14, 2018, 10:11:34 PM
Sounds promising having quotes from him
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Mouse on August 14, 2018, 10:16:12 PM
I'm not sure I can cope with the possibility of attacking football, a new ground and TWO billionaire owners and all on top of the last day of the transfer window.

Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Heisenberg on August 14, 2018, 10:55:18 PM
Please don't fuck this kenwright
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: MexicanToffee on August 14, 2018, 11:04:15 PM
I'm not sure I can cope with the possibility of attacking football, a new ground and TWO billionaire owners and all on top of the last day of the transfer window.


Permission for bottom lip to wobble granted.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: sam of the south on August 14, 2018, 11:10:42 PM
Permission for bottom lip to wobble granted.

Unfortunately Blackadder doesn’t say cool lines like this anymore; he’s too busy praising Boris Bellend for his intentional ignorance.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Mouse on August 14, 2018, 11:40:22 PM
Permission for bottom lip to wobble granted.
Bottom lip, goose bumps and tears in eyes...haven't even been to a game yet. Football, eh?
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: MexicanToffee on August 15, 2018, 12:46:56 AM
Unfortunately Blackadder doesn’t say cool lines like this anymore; he’s too busy praising Boris Bellend for his intentional ignorance.
Sam .... you are confusing the character with the actor.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Alanvideo on August 15, 2018, 01:34:56 AM
Sam .... you are confusing the character with the actor.
................not even the right actor .it was George that said that line   lolol
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: sam of the south on August 15, 2018, 02:20:34 AM
Sam .... you are confusing the character with the actor.

Am I?
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: sam of the south on August 15, 2018, 02:21:46 AM
................not even the right actor .it was George that said that line   lolol

Nah, Blackadder replies to George’s request with “permission granted”
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Goaljira on August 15, 2018, 03:44:38 AM
Unfortunately Blackadder doesn’t say cool lines like this anymore; he’s too busy praising Boris Bellend for his intentional ignorance.

I thought it sounded like a Kryten line.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Brownie on August 15, 2018, 04:37:19 AM
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-respond-news-alisher-usmanov-15030776
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: sam of the south on August 15, 2018, 04:47:28 AM
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-respond-news-alisher-usmanov-15030776

Sounds like Orville squawked that
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Free Agent on August 15, 2018, 11:35:43 AM
I knew Keith Harris was involved in all this
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: GLewis on August 15, 2018, 12:33:30 PM
“Moral support”.

Yes I’m sure that’s what he might have meant.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Jimmywhack on August 15, 2018, 01:53:16 PM
Media running that he's interested in ac, Bayern or roma

Not us
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Bally on August 15, 2018, 02:04:21 PM
Media running that he's interested in ac, Bayern or roma

Not us
https://twitter.com/ballyefc/status/1029617267619897344?s=19
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: bigmanbob on August 15, 2018, 02:09:02 PM
All very non committal that, I've still got a boner on for this and nothing that Harris says can take that away
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Waltzer on August 15, 2018, 02:09:34 PM
Media running that he's interested in ac, Bayern or roma

Not us

I dont get the Italian interest if im honest, its miles adrift from the Premiership in terms of revenue and hes stated he wants a return on his investment. Buying Roma or AC would take a considerable wedge, plus he'd then need to invest loads to compete with Juve, yes there is the Champions League but its also harder to attract quality players. Bayern makes sense, but given how well they're run and structured I dont know why they would want to sell to Usmanov or why he'd be interested in a 1 team league? Probably blue tinted glasses on, but I think there is more potential for a return on his investment with us both on and off the pitch like Moshiri is tapping into with his property acquisitions.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Alanvideo on August 15, 2018, 02:30:41 PM
We're all getting ahead of ourselves here. Usmanov hasn't actually sold his shares yet ,the deal hasn't been reported as done . Anything could happen and probably will.  ???
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Hesmenos on August 15, 2018, 05:13:47 PM
Media running that he's interested in ac, Bayern or roma

Not us
Aren't teams in Germany controlled by the members rather than by the owners. Usmanov would find himself in the same position he was in at Arsenal.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: eugene on August 15, 2018, 05:17:00 PM
Media running that he's interested in ac, Bayern or roma

Not us
He puts up more smoke screens than an F16 with a mig up it’s arse, let’s see
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: hannu on August 15, 2018, 05:21:29 PM
He puts up more smoke screens than an F16 with a mig up it’s arse, let’s see

aircraft dont use some screens, tanks do tho
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: eugene on August 15, 2018, 05:23:18 PM
aircraft dont use some screens, tanks do tho
Flares
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Thornton_19 on August 15, 2018, 05:25:04 PM
He wouldn't be able to invest in Bayern because of the 50+1 rule they have over there.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: AllyBlue14 on August 15, 2018, 05:26:45 PM
He wouldn't be able to invest in Bayern because of the 50+1 rule they have over there.

50 stone?
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Brownie on August 15, 2018, 05:52:43 PM
https://twitter.com/ballyefc/status/1029617267619897344?s=19


You know something?
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Bally on August 15, 2018, 05:55:26 PM
You know something?
No
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Brownie on August 15, 2018, 05:56:58 PM
No

😉
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: MmmblueBernard on August 15, 2018, 06:18:40 PM
No

Lips are clearly sealed.

Nothing to see here.

Move on.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Free Agent on August 15, 2018, 07:10:21 PM
We're all getting ahead of ourselves here. Usmanov hasn't actually sold his shares yet ,the deal hasn't been reported as done . Anything could happen and probably will.  ???

He’s accepted the irrevocable KSE offer.
That’s as good as a gentlemen’s agreement.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Simon Paul on August 15, 2018, 07:24:58 PM
He's just emptied all the cash machines on County Road
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Hawkandro on August 15, 2018, 07:40:07 PM
He's just emptied all the cash machines on County Road

Lacina Traore's just walked out of WH Smiths empty handed.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: pjk on August 15, 2018, 08:46:58 PM
Flares



Suits you Sir!!! :))
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: eugene on August 15, 2018, 08:48:10 PM


Suits you Sir!!! :))
Oooooo suits you sir pmsl
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Alanvideo on August 15, 2018, 10:06:43 PM
He’s accepted the irrevocable KSE offer.
That’s as good as a gentlemen’s agreement.

.............is that like a  Gosling ?
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Cozzie on August 15, 2018, 10:11:19 PM
Probably means fuck all but interesting to see that Usmanov is a producer for one of Kenwrights shows.

(https://s33.postimg.cc/6gpuvoeb3/2_F794_BE0-7757-4_E54-8049-7_DDA04_E2955_F.png)
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on August 15, 2018, 10:14:50 PM
Probably means fuck all but interesting to see that Usmanov is a producer for one of Kenwrights shows.

(https://s33.postimg.cc/6gpuvoeb3/2_F794_BE0-7757-4_E54-8049-7_DDA04_E2955_F.png)

Our owners are quite a random lot. Selection of weird and wonderful joint ventures. They need to stop playing at it and get him on board officially.

I’d be amazed if he ended up anywhere else now. It’s the hope that kills you though isn’t it
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: TheRam on August 15, 2018, 10:18:18 PM
Alisher Usmanov is not interested in buying a stake in #EFC as things stand. Whispers around the club that him and the owner have had talks about business opportunities relating to the new stadium, how he can help Everton fund it & present wider advertising for his companies.

From Everton insider on twitter.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: KingdingalingNL on August 15, 2018, 10:18:56 PM
Am I wrong in thinking AC Milan have not long been bought by a rich group and AS Roma also have a filthy rich owner and Bayern would be even harder to buy as they have large companies as investors?

I would think trying to buy or heavily invest in one of them will either be more expensive or near impossible to maybe being in the same situation as he was at Arsenal? Surely we are a better option?
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Lazarou on August 15, 2018, 10:20:23 PM
(https://media.giphy.com/media/mmYy42RNrgA0w/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Normm on August 15, 2018, 10:27:59 PM
If Usmanov does come (which seems very likely), I hope he insists upon a 60-62,000+ stadium. The blue contingent of Merseyside always had larger crowds in the glory days. - Crowds regularly reached above 60,000 in the 60's. Of course, as the team gains success and becomes more entertaining, more want to attend. 70,000 plus crowds were reached in an overcrowded stadium in the past when the local population wasn't as great as now.

I've no doubt, Everton could easily fill a 60,000 capacity stadium - the local support is huge and the extra revenue would soon pay for it.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on August 15, 2018, 10:35:49 PM
Am I wrong in thinking AC Milan have not long been bought by a rich group and AS Roma also have a filthy rich owner and Bayern would be even harder to buy as they have large companies as investors?

I would think trying to buy or heavily invest in one of them will either be more expensive or near impossible to maybe being in the same situation as he was at Arsenal? Surely we are a better option?

Milan were bought by a Chinese group but it was funded by a hedge fund. They’ve defaulted in their payments and the hedge fund have taken over control. It was assumed they’d be sold again but apparently the hedge fund has pledged more investment. I guess it’s up in the air what will be happening in the longer term.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Waltzer on August 15, 2018, 10:37:28 PM
Am I wrong in thinking AC Milan have not long been bought by a rich group and AS Roma also have a filthy rich owner and Bayern would be even harder to buy as they have large companies as investors?

I would think trying to buy or heavily invest in one of them will either be more expensive or near impossible to maybe being in the same situation as he was at Arsenal? Surely we are a better option?

AC were bought by some Chinese consortium apparently but they then failed to make payment so they are now owned by some Management firm, unless things have changed? Last thing I heard was they wouldn't be against selling at a profit, but would be around £650m, which goes back to an earlier point I raised, why invest that amount when the returns are so minimal compared to the Prem and we'd be cheaper to invest in?
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Lxxx on August 15, 2018, 10:43:18 PM
Alisher Usmanov is not interested in buying a stake in #EFC as things stand. Whispers around the club that him and the owner have had talks about business opportunities relating to the new stadium, how he can help Everton fund it & present wider advertising for his companies.

From Everton insider on twitter.

Makes sense. If he can help us with the materials to build a new stadium, maybe offer to sponsor the arena for x number of years which can be borrowed against, offer his contacts for Moshiri to leverage off. He can assist his friend financially without officially ploughing money into the club. Either way it's good for us.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Cozzie on August 15, 2018, 11:06:30 PM
Makes sense. If he can help us with the materials to build a new stadium, maybe offer to sponsor the arena for x number of years which can be borrowed against, offer his contacts for Moshiri to leverage off. He can assist his friend financially without officially ploughing money into the club. Either way it's good for us.

Part of me maybe thinks that is what's happening now anyway.

Moshiri was quoted as saying, I believe, something along the lines of "as long as I am involved here money will never be an issue". I think Usmanov is writing the guy cheques left, right and centre.

As long as Moshiri is involved here then so will Usmanov, in some capacity, even if it isn't having a direct seat on the board.

This is evident with his company already sponsoring the training ground.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Alanvideo on August 15, 2018, 11:13:35 PM
Part of me maybe thinks that is what's happening now anyway.

Moshiri was quoted as saying, I believe, something along the lines of "as long as I am involved here money will never be an issue". I think Usmanov is writing the guy cheques left, right and centre.

As long as Moshiri is involved here then so will Usmanov, in some capacity, even if it isn't having a direct seat on the board.

This is evident with his company already sponsoring the training ground.
.........................Usmanov has no need to be on the board to have influence. Moshiri isn't on the board either but his 'nominee ' Sasha is his representative. He could do the same for Usmanov.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Bally on August 16, 2018, 01:20:24 AM
He's just emptied all the cash machines on County Road
He's in the oak on the 2 for 1cocktails
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Escla on August 16, 2018, 01:27:52 AM
Our owners are quite a random lot. Selection of weird and wonderful joint ventures. They need to stop playing at it and get him on board officially.

I’d be amazed if he ended up anywhere else now. It’s the hope that kills you though isn’t it

Co producer means nothing more than he’s invested a bit in the production cost of Bills new show on the recommendation of fellow co producer Moshiri, nothing more than a chat between mosh and Usmanov with Mosh saying Bills got a new show, put a few bob in looks like a good return.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on August 16, 2018, 04:20:46 AM
Co producer means nothing more than he’s invested a bit in the production cost of Bills new show on the recommendation of fellow co producer Moshiri, nothing more than a chat between mosh and Usmanov with Mosh saying Bills got a new show, put a few bob in looks like a good return.

I realise that. Just seems like a random business for a couple of billionaires to get involved with. I mean how much can he make from a share of a musical.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Escla on August 16, 2018, 04:27:14 AM
I realise that. Just seems like a random business for a couple of billionaires to get involved with. I mean how much can he make from a share of a musical.

Sometimes you invest in vanity/fun projects, no idea what musical we’re talking about but just an example, Cats made a 3,500% return for its original investors, to date has  $ 5.6 billion
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Lazarou on August 16, 2018, 04:35:48 AM
Lets hope

Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Hawkandro on August 16, 2018, 02:32:39 PM
Am I right in thinking there is nothing stopping him from buying a foreign club and still investing in us? I can easily see him just chuck us some money to help with the stadium in exchange for naming rights, but he must be tempted to get on board as the North Liverpool regeneration is a licence to print money.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Cassius on August 16, 2018, 02:51:22 PM
Am I right in thinking there is nothing stopping him from buying a foreign club and still investing in us? I can easily see him just chuck us some money to help with the stadium in exchange for naming rights, but he must be tempted to get on board as the North Liverpool regeneration is a licence to print money.

Yeah, it's what the city owners have done with New York, Melbourne etc.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: dunkster on August 16, 2018, 02:57:08 PM
If I was his age and as filthy rich, I think I'd like the idea of using my money to help build a stadium if named after me.
He's got yo be tempted if moshiri is open to the idea.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on August 16, 2018, 02:58:58 PM
I wonder what Bill would want, and how receptive to let go he would be, if a massive takeover was offered?
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: dunkster on August 16, 2018, 03:02:57 PM
Wasn't it this month that talk was of Bill leaving/stepping down?
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Escla on August 16, 2018, 03:04:39 PM
If I was his age and as filthy rich, I think I'd like the idea of using my money to help build a stadium if named after me.
He's got yo be tempted if moshiri is open to the idea.

He could probably think of a million more meaningful things that he could do with his money to create a lasting legacy, the creation of a humanitarian foundation to alleviate human suffering or advancement of human rights would be a far greater gesture than putting up a load of concrete in a city with which he has no relationship whatsoever, in the meantime he’s only 64 and will probably still be commercially active for at least onather ten years or so, plenty of time to lose his fortune.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Ramjam on August 16, 2018, 03:12:07 PM
Wasn't it this month that talk was of Bill leaving/stepping down?
Yep, I think is was all to happen by the end of this month, the stars are all aligning at the same time
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Cereal Killer on August 16, 2018, 03:15:12 PM
He could probably think of a million more meaningful things that he could do with his money to create a lasting legacy, the creation of a humanitarian foundation to alleviate human suffering or advancement of human rights would be a far greater gesture than putting up a load of concrete in a city with which he has no relationship whatsoever, in the meantime he’s only 64 and will probably still be commercially active for at least onather ten years or so, plenty of time to lose his fortune.

Do most billionaires do anything meaningful with their fortunes though? The odd one or two at most
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Lxxx on August 16, 2018, 03:22:34 PM
He could probably think of a million more meaningful things that he could do with his money to create a lasting legacy, the creation of a humanitarian foundation to alleviate human suffering or advancement of human rights would be a far greater gesture than putting up a load of concrete in a city with which he has no relationship whatsoever, in the meantime he’s only 64 and will probably still be commercially active for at least onather ten years or so, plenty of time to lose his fortune.

I'm thinking Usmanov might not be a guy for whom building a humanitarian foundation is at the forefront of his thinking.

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2007/09/alisher_usmanov/
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Ramjam on August 16, 2018, 03:24:37 PM
I'm thinking Usmanov might not be a guy for whom building a humanitarian foundation is at the forefront of his thinking.

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/category/usmanov/
Lol, pmsl
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: ajax_andy on August 16, 2018, 03:31:00 PM
Am I right in thinking there is nothing stopping him from buying a foreign club and still investing in us? I can easily see him just chuck us some money to help with the stadium in exchange for naming rights, but he must be tempted to get on board as the North Liverpool regeneration is a licence to print money.

I don't think he could buy another European club, obviously if both teams met in Europa or Champs League it'd be massive conflict of interest
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Cereal Killer on August 16, 2018, 03:33:00 PM
I don't think he could buy another European club, obviously if both teams met in Europa or Champs League it'd be massive conflict of interest

Rules are meant to be bought out though, just ask Red Bull
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Alanvideo on August 16, 2018, 03:34:25 PM
Apologies if posted already...............
https://www.forbes.com/sites/cybrown/2018/08/15/what-an-investment-from-alisher-usmanov-could-mean-for-everton/amp/
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Escla on August 16, 2018, 03:45:18 PM
Do most billionaires do anything meaningful with their fortunes though? The odd one or two at most
[/quote

Well here’s more than the odd one or two ! It will become the norm in the future.


https://www.cnbc.com/2017/05/31/14-billionaires-signed-bill-gates-and-warren-buffetts-giving-pledge.html
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Escla on August 16, 2018, 03:48:00 PM
I'm thinking Usmanov might not be a guy for whom building a humanitarian foundation is at the forefront of his thinking.

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2007/09/alisher_usmanov/

Ah o.k. So if that’s all true we clearly don’t want to have any association whatsoever with him or his mate Moshiri, let’s have no more talk of wanting his investment in fact let’s kick him out of Finch Farm !

On the other side of the coin however, again if that is all true then maybe all the more reason to do something to redeem himself before his mortal coil departs.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on August 16, 2018, 03:49:17 PM
I think you missed the irony (again).
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Escla on August 16, 2018, 03:54:18 PM
I think you missed the irony (again).

Please explain ?
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Lxxx on August 16, 2018, 03:55:32 PM
Ah o.k. So if that’s all true we clearly don’t want to have any association whatsoever with him or his mate Moshiri, let’s have no more talk of wanting his investment in fact let’s kick him out of Finch Farm !

On the other side of the coin however, again if that is all true then maybe all the more reason to do something to redeem himself before his mortal coil departs.

I think you need to lay off the coffee in a morning.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Escla on August 16, 2018, 04:05:56 PM
I think you need to lay off the coffee in a morning.

I really don’t thing that my response to your post was disproportionate ? You post an article to which I perhaps could have responded I think you need to lay off the coffee in the morning but I didn’t, why are you so judgemental ?
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: dunkster on August 16, 2018, 05:32:52 PM
I think usmanov is more likely to prefer the idea of some giant monument built from his fortune, and in some way named after him or associated to him, than going off  to help feed  millions of starving Africans.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on August 16, 2018, 05:34:55 PM
As long as he invests in us so we can compete (at least financially) with most of the big boys then I dont care too much. It would obviously take a few years, even with big investment, but Rome (and Chelsea, PSG, City, etc) werent built in a day.

Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Robioto on August 16, 2018, 05:36:57 PM
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Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on August 16, 2018, 06:08:03 PM
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100% agree mate
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: pjk on August 16, 2018, 06:16:36 PM
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Yeah! A good post. Just missing John and Yoko.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Polledreng on August 16, 2018, 07:55:00 PM
Do most billionaires do anything meaningful with their fortunes though? The odd one or two at most
Bill Gates ?
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Gary1878 on August 16, 2018, 09:05:53 PM
Do most billionaires do anything meaningful with their fortunes though? The odd one or two at most

Warren Buffett has given more than $20bn to charity since 2000.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Escla on August 16, 2018, 09:35:15 PM
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/05/31/14-billionaires-signed-bill-gates-and-warren-buffetts-giving-pledge.html
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Brownie on August 16, 2018, 09:54:47 PM
Can we have a separate thread for billionaire philanthropists and how good they are? Every time I see the new sign next to this I'm expecting a huge announcement 😉
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: SANA_DR0 on August 16, 2018, 11:56:39 PM
I really don’t thing that my response to your post was disproportionate ? You post an article to which I perhaps could have responded I think you need to lay off the coffee in the morning but I didn’t, why are you so judgemental ?

theres a few salty posters on this site, that turn throwaway comments into something that they aren't.

certain posters think they're the knowers of all, thus the judgments.

Lexx to my knowledge isnt one of those salty posters tho.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Brownie on August 17, 2018, 12:37:40 AM
theres a few salty posters on this site, that turn throwaway comments into something that they aren't.

certain posters think they're the knowers of all, thus the judgments.

Lexx to my knowledge isnt one of those salty posters tho.

Name and shame
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Alanvideo on August 17, 2018, 01:46:12 AM
Name and shame
.......................yeh this site is peppered with salty posters  :bonk:
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: sam of the south on August 17, 2018, 01:50:57 AM
theres a few salty posters on this site, that turn throwaway comments into something that they aren't.

certain posters think they're the knowers of all, thus the judgments.

Lexx to my knowledge isnt one of those salty posters tho.

Don’t be unsavoury  :wag:
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: eugene on August 17, 2018, 01:58:08 AM
Mmmm salty is gooooooood
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Normm on August 18, 2018, 06:24:46 AM
I'm thinking Usmanov might not be a guy for whom building a humanitarian foundation is at the forefront of his thinking.

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2007/09/alisher_usmanov/

Craig Murray also reported this: "The Novichok Story Is Indeed Another Iraqi WMD Scam"
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2018/03/the-novichok-story-is-indeed-another-iraqi-wmd-scam/

This displays a zeal to lecture on matters about which he only partly understands and to form conclusions based on suspect evidence, at best. We live in an era when it is difficult for the ordinary person to sift the truth from fiction, and darn right lies. Personally, I tend to trust those reporters whom I know to have gained a solid reputation - but even then, I try to check the sources. Unfortunately, fake news and made-up stories are here to stay - as we know all too well!

I wouldn't want to condemn anyone on alleged evidence that could have been concocted for political or countless other reasons. - Just a word of caution. We can only judge what we know.  :cheers: Cheers all!
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on August 18, 2018, 01:22:02 PM
theres a few salty posters on this site, that turn throwaway comments into something that they aren't.

certain posters think they're the knowers of all, thus the judgments.

Lexx to my knowledge isnt one of those salty posters tho.
Don't do it look what happened to Big Sam the saviour..
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: Lxxx on August 18, 2018, 05:34:34 PM
Craig Murray also reported this: "The Novichok Story Is Indeed Another Iraqi WMD Scam"
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2018/03/the-novichok-story-is-indeed-another-iraqi-wmd-scam/

This displays a zeal to lecture on matters about which he only partly understands and to form conclusions based on suspect evidence, at best. We live in an era when it is difficult for the ordinary person to sift the truth from fiction, and darn right lies. Personally, I tend to trust those reporters whom I know to have gained a solid reputation - but even then, I try to check the sources. Unfortunately, fake news and made-up stories are here to stay - as we know all too well!

I wouldn't want to condemn anyone on alleged evidence that could have been concocted for political or countless other reasons. - Just a word of caution. We can only judge what we know.  :cheers: Cheers all!

Clearly it's best to get your information from a whole range of sources. However getting some of that information about a prominent Uzbeki billionaire from the ex-British Ambassador to Uzbekistan might be a useful place to get a decent portion of it from.
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: pjk on August 18, 2018, 05:41:35 PM
Craig Murray also reported this: "The Novichok Story Is Indeed Another Iraqi WMD Scam"
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2018/03/the-novichok-story-is-indeed-another-iraqi-wmd-scam/

This displays a zeal to lecture on matters about which he only partly understands and to form conclusions based on suspect evidence, at best. We live in an era when it is difficult for the ordinary person to sift the truth from fiction, and darn right lies. Personally, I tend to trust those reporters whom I know to have gained a solid reputation - but even then, I try to check the sources. Unfortunately, fake news and made-up stories are here to stay - as we know all too well!

I wouldn't want to condemn anyone on alleged evidence that could have been concocted for political or countless other reasons. - Just a word of caution. We can only judge what we know.  :cheers: Cheers all!



To be fair to Craig Murray, it's touch and go as to whether there is any truth in what he's saying about the Novichok incidents. There are a lot of unanswered questions involving the whole issue. Something doesn't add up. However: Come on you mighty blues. Is the important matter in hand. Just now like:)
Title: Re: Usmanov
Post by: SANA_DR0 on August 18, 2018, 06:09:17 PM
Don’t be unsavoury  :wag:

lol, true i prefer to be spicy.

Mmmm salty is gooooooood

not true when it comes to internet terminology.

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Salty

Don't do it look what happened to Big Sam the saviour..

Niasse was the actual saviour to me... and he did it with a huge smile..