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Title: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Shogun on January 22, 2018, 02:31:42 AM
He's been pretty awful this season but for the six months he came in last season, he was one of our best players and looked like Gareth Barry with the ability to move.

What's become the issue?

Is he a victim or our terrible season, is he just lacking confidence or is he actually just a bit shit?
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Lxxx on January 22, 2018, 02:33:17 AM
He's been pretty awful this season but for the six months he came in last season, he was one of our best players and looked like Gareth Barry with the ability to move.

What's become the issue?

Is he a victim or our terrible season, is he just lacking confidence or is he actually just a bit shit?

He played 8 games for us after joining before he got injured.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: sam of the south on January 22, 2018, 02:35:13 AM
Unpopular opinion, but I think he was one of our better players yesterday, although he was still way too passive.

But yes, we need so much more from him.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: sam of the south on January 22, 2018, 02:37:08 AM
And he seems to have a tiny pair of knackers
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Goaljira on January 22, 2018, 02:41:35 AM
He needs to go visit the Wizard of Oz, as this season he's lacking a brain, heart and courage.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Ravardo on January 22, 2018, 02:41:57 AM
He's that good at defensive midfield he didnt make one tackle yesterday just like most games,,,he's a fucking wage thief and also how does nearly being the tallest man on the pitch not win 50-50 headers :wanker:
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: TheRam on January 22, 2018, 02:45:06 AM
He's a shithouse. Doesn't have the bottle to take control of the midfield and drag us through games.

The atmosphere towards him at the ground is toxic. Genuinely wouldn't surprise me if a nyarko situation happens with him.

If we were playing well he'd be sound, but he has no interest now it's gone to shit.

Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: dekko on January 22, 2018, 02:50:29 AM
Starting to think his time at Southampton was a fluke.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Thornton_19 on January 22, 2018, 02:53:15 AM
 My God is he fucking passive.
Every goal we concede when he Is on the pitch, he can be seen just behind the play slowly jogging back.
Fucking hate him.

I very rarely dislike players, this lad doesn't try and can't be arsed when we are in a tough game. Infuriates me how hard Gueye and Sigurrdson work and he barely moves.

He best not be here Sept 1st 2018.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: blue slug on January 22, 2018, 02:57:41 AM
He’s got as much bottle as Alex nyarko
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: bogie on January 22, 2018, 02:58:07 AM
slows the play down no long pass in him let alone the vision to see it

in NFL terms we need a QB in there

at Southampton it was a bit dif no QB in there per say but 2 DM players (not at the same time) that could and where willing to carry the ball up the pitch
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on January 22, 2018, 02:58:54 AM
Horrible bastard
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: UnsyisaRhino on January 22, 2018, 03:00:20 AM
He looks ok when we have possesion high up the pitch and he has time and space to make a decision...even if its between going backwards or sideways.

Outside of that he looks way off the pace, and lacking desire. Watching rondon walk past him was embarrassing.

Yesterday he was key to neutralising rondon or those that could feed off him. He made the decision to do neither.

Not once was he in positon to snap into rondon as he was bringing the ball down, or even double up on him so he was forced to head it rather than chest it, and he also didnt read where it might go after it was brought down and either force the ball into a less dangerous are...or win it back.

The 50/50 alone was enough for him to lose his spot. If i did that on a Saturday I'd get subbed, and probably dropped next game.

 You cant offer so little offensively and completely fail to impose yourself on the opposition.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on January 22, 2018, 03:00:45 AM
Yes
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Zoolander on January 22, 2018, 03:05:53 AM
Genuinely I think he’s a good footballer, a quality player.
Seems as if he’s lost his confidence and all his bottle though. He seems to be hiding and playing the easy ball too often and we really need players with their bottle intact when we are in poor form.
He should be one of the players grabbing the game by the horns and helping pull us through - but he seems to want others to do it.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Silas on January 22, 2018, 03:21:30 AM
I think he's a good player and I think he's been decent lately. He's the latest in a fucking mile long line of scapegoats.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Paddockoldie on January 22, 2018, 03:24:24 AM
He lacks commitment in terms of desire to wear the shirt, win tackles and take control of the area he's responsible for. I wonder whether he switched off after Koeman left?  I'd move him on if he doesn't want to be part of the team.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Ell Capitan on January 22, 2018, 03:29:32 AM
Just to provide a bit of a counterargument, people criticise him (and McCarthy) for not playing a forward pass but (a) he's almost certainly under strict instructions not to lose possession at all costs and (b) there's usually fuck all movement in front of him and he's probably under strict instructions not to pass to anyone that's marked.

Though in response to the original question, he's nowhere near good enough to run the centre of the pitch for us, particularly if the person next to him is someone utterly lacking in creativity like Gueye.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: charlatan on January 22, 2018, 03:33:52 AM
He's a fucking coward.  The biggest shithouse I've ever seen in a blue shirt.  I'll quite happily drive the twat to Dover and put him on a cross channel ferry with his P45 if I never have to see him in a blue shirt again
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: BlueMaquis on January 22, 2018, 03:42:01 AM
Just to provide a bit of a counterargument, people criticise him (and McCarthy) for not playing a forward pass but (a) he's almost certainly under strict instructions not to lose possession at all costs and (b) there's usually fuck all movement in front of him and he's probably under strict instructions not to pass to anyone that's marked.


Spot on. I do think Schneiderlin is a bit rubbish but even Iniesta could not do anything for us when the players in front of him can't be arsed moving into space. Mind you, you may well ask "what space?" as we are too slow to transition effectively.

The whole squad needs an overhaul.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: TheRam on January 22, 2018, 03:43:02 AM
Just to provide a bit of a counterargument, people criticise him (and McCarthy) for not playing a forward pass but (a) he's almost certainly under strict instructions not to lose possession at all costs and (b) there's usually fuck all movement in front of him and he's probably under strict instructions not to pass to anyone that's marked.

Though in response to the original question, he's nowhere near good enough to run the centre of the pitch for us, particularly if the person next to him is someone utterly lacking in creativity like Gueye.

He's played the same way under three different managers, though.

When you're picking the ball up, putting your foot on it and completely slowing the game down you're going to have limited options in playing the ball forward.

That's what Barry was so good at. Picking it up from the centre half and releasing the ball quickly to the three infront of him.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: toffee_scot on January 22, 2018, 03:43:20 AM
I think he is a good player, not only were Man Utd prepared to pay nearly £25m for him but so did we 18 months later.

He did well last season after he came in the January window. However I really do not know what has happened to him this season and why it has gone so wrong. I thought Koeman would probably be the manager to get the best out of him but even he performed poorly before Koeman was sacked.

Maybe he just lacks the bottle and determination and is just one of those players that you just cannot rely on unless the rest of the team are playing well (which has been rare this seasons). I thought he would have tried to make a huge effort to try and get back into the France squad for the World Cup.
Title: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: kramer0 on January 22, 2018, 03:44:53 AM
When you take stock of our squad, who do we really have that moves the ball forward effectively from deep?

Rooney? Baines? Davies? Keane? That's grim.

There's a real lack of care to how this squad was constructed. All of our players might be good in an absolute terms but they don't complement each other at all. There's room in the team for a safe ball-mover in defensive midfield but that player will look pretty bad if there's no one else to move it forward effectively.

Schneiderlin doesn't help his cause by hiding from the ball and generally looking off the pace. But a big part of the reason things feel so toxic is that it's near impossible to put out a functional eleven with this group of players.

And our recruitment team seems totally ignorant of the issue. We've gone for goalscorers when what we really need is midfielders, wingers, and full backs who get us into the final third consistently. Walcott and Tosun might be good but they aren't fixing what's really broken.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Ell Capitan on January 22, 2018, 03:44:57 AM
Spot on. I do think Schneiderlin is a bit rubbish but even Iniesta could not do anything for us when the players in front of him can't be arsed moving into space.

The whole squad needs an overhaul.

Or the players we have need to be coached on how move effectively and work together to create space.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: charlatan on January 22, 2018, 03:45:02 AM
I think he is a good player, not only were Man Utd prepared to pay nearly £25m for him but so did we 18 months later.

He did well last season after he came in the January window. However I really do not know what has happened to him this season and why it has gone so wrong. I thought Koeman would probably be the manager to get the best out of him but even he performed poorly before Koeman was sacked.

Maybe he just lacks the bottle and determination and is just one of those players that you just cannot rely on unless the rest of the team are playing well (which has been rare this seasons). I thought he would have tried to make a huge effort to try and get back into the France squad for the World Cup.

Ask any Man U fan about him.  He had been frozen out there as he was spineless.  They were pissing their pants when we gave them £25m for him
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Ell Capitan on January 22, 2018, 03:47:04 AM
When you take stock of our squad, who do we really have that moves the ball forward effectively from deep?

Rooney? Baines? Davies? Keane? That's grim.

There's a real lack of care to how this squad was constructed. All of our players might be good in an absolute terms but they don't complement each other at all. There's room in the team for a safe ball-mover in defensive midfield but that player will look pretty bad if there's no one else to move it forward effectively.

Schneiderlin doesn't help his cause by hiding from the ball and generally looking off the pace. But a big part of the reason things feel so toxic is that it's near impossible to put out a functional eleven with this group of players.

And our recruitment team seems totally ignorant of the issues. We've gone for goalscorers when what we really need is midfielders, wingers, and full backs (i.e. anybody) who get us into the final third consistently. Walcott and Tosun might be good but they aren't fixing what's really broken.

We did need a goalscorer as well. Get all the midfielders and wingers you want but we're not mounting a top 4 challenge with DCL or Niasse leading the line.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Ell Capitan on January 22, 2018, 03:49:48 AM
He's played the same way under three different managers, though.

When you're picking the ball up, putting your foot on it and completely slowing the game down you're going to have limited options in playing the ball forward.

That's what Barry was so good at. Picking it up from the centre half and releasing the ball quickly to the three infront of him.

Yeah true, I think that's more his limitation than him being a shithouse though. Just don't think he has the speed or vision of a Barry or Rooney to see that forward ball quickly enough to play someone in whilst they're still open.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: brap2 on January 22, 2018, 04:14:24 AM
When you take stock of our squad, who do we really have that moves the ball forward effectively from deep?

Rooney? Baines? Davies? Keane? That's grim.

There's a real lack of care to how this squad was constructed. All of our players might be good in an absolute terms but they don't complement each other at all. There's room in the team for a safe ball-mover in defensive midfield but that player will look pretty bad if there's no one else to move it forward effectively.

Schneiderlin doesn't help his cause by hiding from the ball and generally looking off the pace. But a big part of the reason things feel so toxic is that it's near impossible to put out a functional eleven with this group of players.

And our recruitment team seems totally ignorant of the issues. We've gone for goalscorers when what we really need is midfielders, wingers, and full backs (i.e. anybody) who get us into the final third consistently. Walcott and Tosun might be good but they aren't fixing what's really broken.

Yeah agree, I think he would be easier to watch if he had an agressive passer or dribbler near him.

His decent performances were with Barkley in midfield I think I remember correctly? Barkley is a good old fashioned ball hog. Wants on it constantly and thinks he can do something on it every time he gets it, so schneiderlein was free to either give it straight to Barkley or switch play which he likes to do.

And this year I DO think he’s looked a bit better next to rooney who is similarly a ball hog.

Needs someone next to him who just sucks the ball away from him immediately and allows him to be a safe, accurate passer.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Tony Clifton on January 22, 2018, 04:55:18 AM
He's a ghost.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Bluedylan on January 22, 2018, 05:01:53 AM
People don't half go over the top when criticising a player. 'Spineless bastard', 'surrender monkey' and all that sort of nonsense. It's all a bit much.

He's a decent player who doesn't seem to have the mentality to maximise his ability, or fight in a struggling team.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on January 22, 2018, 05:31:18 AM
What’s gutting is I thought he’d be a cornerstone of our team but he’s not. He’s just another well-paid, disinterested player.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: gizzblue on January 22, 2018, 05:42:51 AM
People don't half go over the top when criticising a player. 'Spineless bastard', 'surrender monkey' and all that sort of nonsense. It's all a bit much.

He's a decent player who doesn't seem to have the mentality to maximise his ability, or fight in a struggling team.
So pretty much just a shithouse ....phrasing what you said .

We should only be playing one DM Guaye with a two of .
Davies and Gylfi going forward or Rooney .
Schneids on the bench or ferry home.

Why do we constantly play shithouse tactics ?...inviting a dry bumming.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Jamokachi on January 22, 2018, 08:09:07 AM
I think it's down to confidence, personally. Seems to be well and truly on its arse.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 22, 2018, 02:19:33 PM
Dunno what to make of him this season
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Macca77 on January 22, 2018, 02:21:06 PM
I think he's a really good player but has completely lost his confidence this season and is struggling to get it back
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Django on January 22, 2018, 02:27:53 PM
I think he’s shite. Not mobile, no passing range, no fight. All he seems to do is them stupid lunge tackles that come off 1 in 5 leaving him a walking yellow card.

Not good enough and is completely lacking in attitude which is the worst part and why the fans hate him.

Look at Michael Keane. He’s been shite but is constantly coming out in the press saying he wants it to work and is trying his best. Doesn’t take much.

He’s not even premier league standard I don’t think. Had a good 18 months once. Fuck him off and get someone who’s remotely arsed.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: GLewis on January 22, 2018, 02:35:59 PM
Didn’t Pochettino want to take him to Spurs but S’hampton wouldn’t sell?

Think there’s enough managers who want him, bought him and pick him to suggest that he’s good enough.

Been disappointed that he’s looked so slow though.

Might be that he needs to play every week to get rhythm in his game.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: 74Blue on January 22, 2018, 02:36:43 PM
There is a talented player in there, but he is severely lacking in bottle. In the position that he plays, you can have all the talent in the world, but if you lack the balls to stick your foot in where it matters, you're fucking useless.
In summary, he's a gutless pile of shite!
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Lincs Toffee on January 22, 2018, 03:07:16 PM
Give him a big dose of passion a load of aggression, some more vision and a new pair of shiny big balls and maybe we have a player again, but at present yes he's fucking bad, right who's next ?
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Lxxx on January 22, 2018, 03:14:01 PM
His last run of sustained good form was nearly three years ago at Southampton. When are we going to stop making excuses for a player whose best days are clearly behind him. It's not his body that has caught up with him as he's not old so clearly his mental state is such that he either doesn't fancy it here or he doesn't fancy busting a gut anymore, now he's been on six figures a week for a good few years. He wouldn't be the first to lose the hunger and he won't be the last.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: SANA_DR0 on January 22, 2018, 06:23:43 PM
He's been pretty awful this season but for the six months he came in last season, he was one of our best players and looked like Gareth Barry with the ability to move.

What's become the issue?

Is he a victim or our terrible season, is he just lacking confidence or is he actually just a bit shit?

i would say he is more than a bit shit, he played decent the 6months when he initially joined us, I didnt think he was special or amazing.. or a rolls royce as many everton fans stated.. He was like McCarthy but not injured.. (yes i rate McCarthy; his best displays are the same as Schneiderlins) he did well for Saints, all them moons ago. did F all for Man utd, (for some reason i guess its got to do with payment clauses  for various players we have sold to man utd) we get their cast offs, for some reason our fans have aways loved MAN UTD castoffs.. such as Gibson/Neville/Howard (he did well for a few years) Saha/Gibson/Cleverley...)  while we have sold them our fucking star players, Lukaku,Rooney and Fellaini.

Howard was good for maybe 3 seasons. Neville well i hated him always and still do, He never offered anything apart from experience at being at man utd.

anyway, they give us shit. and for some reason Evertonians lap it up.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Green Bucket on January 22, 2018, 07:54:55 PM
He doesn't want the ball. That makes him a worse than a bad player. Watch him. He never demands the ball. He never makes angles to receive the ball. He could win the National Hide and Seek Championship during a game. If the ball gets passed to him he looks terrified and he immediately hits the shortest pass possible to another player who usually doesn't want it either. We are currently blessed with a lot of spineless players and he's the Chief Invertebrate.

He wasn't always like this.

Barry, even though his legs had gone, always took the ball and got stick if he got caught or hit a wayward pass. He would just shrug it off and go again. He spent three seasons trying to start moves from the back because no one else had the bottle. It's called taking responsibility. Schneiderlin's the polar opposite. A footballer who doesn't want the ball. Nyarko's ghost.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Faceatthefence on January 22, 2018, 07:56:21 PM
Unpopular opinion, but I think he was one of our better players yesterday, although he was still way too passive.

But yes, we need so much more from him.
Dont feel bad about it,he was a one on ratings...that was for putting his shirt on with the club crest on the front.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: formerKHL on January 22, 2018, 08:12:26 PM
ask yourself this those of you who play/played footy...

how hard was it to pass the ball into someone who is already man marked.......

and for me therein lies the problem......everyone wants him to play the ball forward all the time....who to ?

DCL ? cant lose his marker and find space......
NIasse......well it's niasse.....

hopefully Tosun will give him that pass......as well maybe bolasi and Walcott out wide will do...

remember last season (his best games for us) he had both barkley and Lukaku in front of him...

he does tend to play the short pass but that's probably because he's got rooney and sugurdson/Gueye next to him...easy ball....

if his job/instructions are win it and give it ..then he's doing his job...isn't he? I think his "lack of bottle" as people are saying are more an instruction to curb his yellow and red cards....

Just my opinion....
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: gizzblue on January 22, 2018, 08:23:45 PM
ask yourself this those of you who play/played footy...

how hard was it to pass the ball into someone who is already man marked.......

and for me therein lies the problem......everyone wants him to play the ball forward all the time....who to ?

DCL ? cant lose his marker and find space......
NIasse......well it's niasse.....

hopefully Tosun will give him that pass......as well maybe bolasi and Walcott out wide will do...

remember last season (his best games for us) he had both barkley and Lukaku in front of him...

he does tend to play the short pass but that's probably because he's got rooney and sugurdson/Gueye next to him...easy ball....

if his job/instructions are win it and give it ..then he's doing his job...isn't he? I think his "lack of bottle" as people are saying are more an instruction to curb his yellow and red cards....

Just my opinion....
Agree in some part but you added lukaku who's first touch marked or not was/is still fucking awful at best....but as for Schneids I've said before he's a victim of his own downfall ...we all know he can play he just isn't showing fuck all of a glimpse of himself these days.. .where as others are doing cameos of themselves at times even Jags in the derby was showing ..the aforementioned Schneider is gone completely.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on January 22, 2018, 08:53:23 PM
He's not a bad player, but he's not a good player either. We need someone better in his position. I'd roll him off to Southampton, who may think they need him (how he used to play) and then put the money towards N'Zonzi, or a player a step or two up, because we are really struggling in the middle of the park.

(and all over, tbh)
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: sam of the south on January 22, 2018, 09:26:30 PM
Dont feel bad about it,he was a one on ratings...that was for putting his shirt on with the club crest on the front.

First class
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Lxxx on January 22, 2018, 10:41:09 PM
He just seems unable to do anything with or without the ball. I'm sure (someone correct me if I am wrong) but at Southampton I'm pretty sure he used to surge forward with the ball and stride through midfield. I always remember Wanyama as the sitting player and he used to influence play more. Maybe it was at a time he was trying to impress and earn his big move away or he may have been hungrier/happier or my memory is playing tricks on me.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: kramer0 on January 22, 2018, 10:52:56 PM
He just seems unable to do anything with or without the ball. I'm sure (someone correct me if I am wrong) but at Southampton I'm pretty sure he used to surge forward with the ball and stride through midfield. I always remember Wanyama as the sitting player and he used to influence play more. Maybe it was at a time he was trying to impress and earn his big move away or he may have been hungrier/happier or my memory is playing tricks on me.

I've been thinking about that myself. Schneiderlin may have been a little more ambitious at the time but I think he and Wanyama were both holding players first and foremost.

That Southampton team had a lot of player types we don't and there's a good chance that those other things are what made the two DM approach work, at least in terms of build-ups:

- two attacking fullbacks (Bertrand, Clyne)
- an effective box-to-box midfielder (Davis)
- a genuinely good creative passer (Tadic)

Maybe Tom Davies is a good box-to-box player (maybe) but we're currently hurting for fullbacks that contribute to build-ups and anyone who can pick a pass in the final third.

(Probably also helped their cause to have Pelle (target man) and Mane/Elia/Long (pace!!!) when they needed to play more directly.)
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Major Clanger on January 22, 2018, 11:05:44 PM
ask yourself this those of you who play/played footy...

how hard was it to pass the ball into someone who is already man marked.......

and for me therein lies the problem......everyone wants him to play the ball forward all the time....who to ?

DCL ? cant lose his marker and find space......
NIasse......well it's niasse.....

hopefully Tosun will give him that pass......as well maybe bolasi and Walcott out wide will do...

remember last season (his best games for us) he had both barkley and Lukaku in front of him...

he does tend to play the short pass but that's probably because he's got rooney and sugurdson/Gueye next to him...easy ball....

if his job/instructions are win it and give it ..then he's doing his job...isn't he? I think his "lack of bottle" as people are saying are more an instruction to curb his yellow and red cards....

Just my opinion....

There's also the matter of the speed with which we play. If you don't play the ball quickly, every option you'd have will be marked by the time you make up your mind. (And your slowness might in turn be caused by the ball to you already being a shit one, and so on.)

But he has definitely been lackadaisical at times, both on and off the ball.
Title: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Dr. Sponge on January 23, 2018, 12:08:21 AM
He has the ability, but he doesn't have the desire or mental strength to sustain high level performances. To be a top player you need both of these traits, so I think he needs replacing.

Unfortunately though, he's just one part of the perfect shit storm this season. We were lacking a striker, some pace, a left back, a right back and a creative DM.

Tosun and Walcott should help with the first two, and Coleman is on his way back. 3 down 2 to go, and then we have our balance back.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: SANA_DR0 on January 23, 2018, 12:22:32 AM
First class

pretty sure he stole that from Toffee Tvs player ratings on youtube. lol
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: griff969 on January 23, 2018, 12:40:45 AM
It used to be fine having a holding midfielder sitting in front of your back four. Now we need two because one of them has not got the legs to get about and stop runners with the ball. Was the same when we had Barry holding, he could not do it on his own.

It is so easy just to run at our back four with little protection in place. We need pace and dynamism in that position.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Ridge on January 23, 2018, 12:49:19 AM
Personally, I think he's just a bit of a selfish prick.

Cowardice comes from selfishness.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: cantoffee on January 23, 2018, 02:07:06 AM
I've been thinking about that myself. Schneiderlin may have been a little more ambitious at the time but I think he and Wanyama were both holding players first and foremost.

That Southampton team had a lot of player types we don't and there's a good chance that those other things are what made the two DM approach work, at least in terms of build-ups:

- two attacking fullbacks (Bertrand, Clyne)
- an effective box-to-box midfielder (Davis)
- a genuinely good creative passer (Tadic)

Maybe Tom Davies is a good box-to-box player (maybe) but we're currently hurting for fullbacks that contribute to build-ups and anyone who can pick a pass in the final third.

(Probably also helped their cause to have Pelle (target man) and Mane/Elia/Long (pace!!!) when they needed to play more directly.)
Plenty of players who could carry the ball up the field helps and a strong target man as well for when that isn't working.

Mane, Tadic, Clyne, Bertrand, Redmond, even Davis all get up and down the field well with good quick movement and most can carry the ball.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Wayno on January 23, 2018, 03:29:58 AM
We need to get rid quickly 
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: brap2 on January 23, 2018, 04:44:09 AM
I've been thinking about that myself. Schneiderlin may have been a little more ambitious at the time but I think he and Wanyama were both holding players first and foremost.

That Southampton team had a lot of player types we don't and there's a good chance that those other things are what made the two DM approach work, at least in terms of build-ups:

- two attacking fullbacks (Bertrand, Clyne)
- an effective box-to-box midfielder (Davis)
- a genuinely good creative passer (Tadic)

Maybe Tom Davies is a good box-to-box player (maybe) but we're currently hurting for fullbacks that contribute to build-ups and anyone who can pick a pass in the final third.

(Probably also helped their cause to have Pelle (target man) and Mane/Elia/Long (pace!!!) when they needed to play more directly.)

Going to get shit for this but don’t forget lallana. A fantastic pass and move midfielder who again is a classic ball hog.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: kramer0 on January 23, 2018, 04:51:33 AM
Going to get shit for this but don’t forget lallana. A fantastic pass and move midfielder who again is a classic ball hog.

Yes, true.

Lallana was the playmaker when Pochettino was in charge, Tadic replaced him after they both left.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: GLewis on January 23, 2018, 04:56:39 AM
With his best in possession skill being the switch of play, it’s only useful if the opposition is dragged towards the ball on one side of the pitch, exposing the other.

That doesn’t happen unless you’ve got good possession high up the pitch.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: blueski on January 23, 2018, 04:58:59 AM
I wonder if you looked back at his good performances last season how many of them were with Barry alongside making little cuts and creating little angles, picking up the ball and playing it forward; maybe it would confirm he wasn't as good as we thought
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Heisenberg on January 23, 2018, 04:59:07 AM
i think he pretty much epitomises the whole of everton at the minute. Think of the Moyes teams that finished 5th-7th almost every year and even nicked top 4. Very limited teams. They all had drive though and all loved the club. Now I feel like we have the complete opposite in having loads of great footballers, but players who have zero drive. Think back to any old man rant in the pub about "overpaid prima donnas". That's what we've assembled, a team of players who just aren't that bothered
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Lxxx on January 23, 2018, 09:34:27 PM
i think he pretty much epitomises the whole of everton at the minute. Think of the Moyes teams that finished 5th-7th almost every year and even nicked top 4. Very limited teams. They all had drive though and all loved the club. Now I feel like we have the complete opposite in having loads of great footballers, but players who have zero drive. Think back to any old man rant in the pub about "overpaid prima donnas". That's what we've assembled, a team of players who just aren't that bothered

It's why I thought Moyes as a stop gap till the end of the season might have worked, before West Ham snapped him up. I think we badly needed, and still do, some professionalism and a few need a kick up the arse and personally I think Moyes would have brought some stability until the summer. There was a two weeks window from sacking Koeman to Moyes going to West Ham where we hadn't a clue what we were going to do, which then ran on for another 3 weeks while we courted Silva, spoke to Allardyce twice and who knows inbetween.

Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Ell Capitan on January 24, 2018, 05:08:51 AM
Despite in my opinion otherwise being a decent move, Moyes would've gone down like a sack of shit with a lot of the fans. For that reason I think it would've been a bad move.

Though perhaps (as Moyes once said) the passage of time and the shite we've been through since have made fans a bit more appreciative of what Moyes achieved for us.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Shogun on January 24, 2018, 05:27:33 AM
of what Moyes achieved for us.

Which was what exactly?

I'm not going to pretend he did a bad job but he didn't actually achieve anything.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: gizzblue on January 24, 2018, 06:15:26 AM
Which was what exactly?

I'm not going to pretend he did a bad job but he didn't actually achieve anything.
Kept is steady and at least fighting as a football team on a fuck all budget while all around us were spending millions .

And id have had him easily over Sam seven days a week....the lads would run through walls for him .
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Heisenberg on January 24, 2018, 11:16:40 PM
Remember them seasons we used to finish 5th with a team of bin heads. Imagine we had that 150mil to spend then, we'd have really pushed on. He set us up nicely and poor managerial appointments since have really screwed us. Thinking back, the moyes appointment could have easily went pear shaped. I just think we are terrible with managerial appointments in general
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: TheRam on January 24, 2018, 11:22:31 PM
Can't believe we're still having the same debate.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: gizzblue on January 24, 2018, 11:25:07 PM
Can't believe we're still having the same debate.
Id say general consensus says yeah he is ...so thread lock now required .😅
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Ravardo on January 29, 2018, 07:12:59 PM
The daily fail are saying westham are looking to take him on loan, which would be great but i dont see sam getting rid really and boro want besic on loan
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Ell Capitan on January 29, 2018, 07:53:38 PM
Can't believe we're still having the same debate.

Just wait till someone starts a thread about Barkley’s comments to the press this week about Koeman.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on January 29, 2018, 08:14:01 PM
West ham have bid £20m
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: BlueMaquis on January 29, 2018, 08:14:17 PM
Just wait till someone starts a thread about Barkley’s comments to the press this week about Koeman.

Do tell.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Lxxx on January 29, 2018, 08:14:55 PM
West ham have bid £20m

Grab the cheque and run down to the nearest branch before 3:30pm so it gets banked today.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on January 29, 2018, 08:16:31 PM
Do tell.

He said very complimentary things about Koeman.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Lxxx on January 29, 2018, 08:22:49 PM
He said very complimentary things about Koeman.

Koeman was the victim of a bonkers summer. Granted he played his part in it but if we'd have brought in the players he said we needed and we'd got off to a decent start then he'd still be in a job now. For all his faults, and he had many, he understood football and Barkley was showing signs of improvement under him.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Lxxx on January 29, 2018, 08:28:23 PM
On the Sky Sports yellow bar now. £20m to West Ham would get us out of a massive hole with a player who is neither use nor ornament at the minute and make a decent sized dent in the wage bill too.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: TheRam on January 29, 2018, 08:33:44 PM
He is so fucking West Ham.

Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Goaljira on January 29, 2018, 08:34:12 PM
Much rather we sold them him than Davies.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Lxxx on January 29, 2018, 08:36:36 PM
I'm not so sure Moyes and Kenwright aren't still on some kind of beneficial arrangement relationship as whenever we have players we're happy to see disappear for decent money up he pops with a big cheque for uncle Bill. This one would probably top the Gibson deal.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on January 29, 2018, 08:39:49 PM
I’d bite their hands off for £20m!
He just offers nothing; doesn’t protect the back 4, can’t pass forward, suspect temperament, no athleticism. He’s just a body in there.

Back to the OP - is there a difference between a bad player or a good player that consistently puts in bad performances?

He certainly won’t be missed and he should be reasonably easy to replace.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Lxxx on January 29, 2018, 08:43:33 PM
If he goes for £20m then we've not spent a penny this window and improved the squad and wage bill, which should leave us in a decent position come the summer for the next manager to kick us on again with hopefully some sensible recruitment.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Bigstickytoffee on January 29, 2018, 08:45:58 PM
Quick take the money before they have a chance to review his recent performances in detail!
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: gizzblue on January 29, 2018, 08:46:35 PM
I'd bite their hands off for £20m!
He just offers nothing; doesn't protect the back 4, can't pass forward, suspect temperament, no athleticism. He's just a body in there.

Back to the OP - is there a difference between a bad player or a good player that consistently puts in bad performances?

He certainly won't be missed and he should be reasonably easy to replace.
I've got an old shop mannequin we could use that would do the same job .
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on January 29, 2018, 08:47:21 PM
On the Sky Sports yellow bar now. £20m to West Ham would get us out of a massive hole with a player who is neither use nor ornament at the minute and make a decent sized dent in the wage bill too.
Agreed. Imagine a 33 year old Schneiderlein loping around our midfield! Major let-off.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Macca77 on January 29, 2018, 08:49:02 PM
We would be silly to reject that sort of money
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Goaljira on January 29, 2018, 08:56:11 PM
If he goes for £20m then we've not spent a penny this window and improved the squad and wage bill, which should leave us in a decent position come the summer for the next manager to kick us on again with hopefully some sensible recruitment.

Who else have we sold?
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: kramer0 on January 29, 2018, 08:58:14 PM
£20m plus no chance of ever seeing the Gana/Schneiderlin gruesome twosome again?

I like Schneiderlin more than most but... sold.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Macca77 on January 29, 2018, 08:58:28 PM
Would we need a replacement though, especially with McCarthy being out?
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Lxxx on January 29, 2018, 09:00:59 PM
Who else have we sold?

Schneiderlin plus Barkley plus Mirallas plus Lennon sees us about evens or even up with money saved off the wage bill, seeing as we only paid 20m euros up front for Tosun, with the potential for a further fee for Mirallas at the end of the season.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Paddockoldie on January 29, 2018, 09:03:55 PM
I don't think he's a bad player, he's just not an Everton type player.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Goaljira on January 29, 2018, 09:04:40 PM
Schneiderlin plus Barkley plus Mirallas plus Lennon sees us about evens or even up with money saved off the wage bill, seeing as we only paid 20m euros up front for Tosun, with the potential for a further fee for Mirallas at the end of the season.

I forgot we got money for Barkley, and completely forgot about Mirallas at all.  Says everything I guess.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Confucius on January 29, 2018, 09:11:21 PM
Can totally see us rejecting this some how for some unknown reason and giving him a new deal and wage increase.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: nwatson on January 29, 2018, 09:14:27 PM
£20 million bid from West Ham.
I'll get the next ferry over from Belfast, hire a Car, and drive him there myself.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Lxxx on January 29, 2018, 09:14:49 PM
Wouldn't be such a bad move to try Sigurdsson in Schneiderlin's place with the protection of Gueye next to him, if the move comes off. I think he could make a pretty decent midfielder and extend his career there. He's never a £45m one but we are where we are. 
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Waltzer on January 29, 2018, 09:20:50 PM
Would we need a replacement though, especially with McCarthy being out?

This is Everton, we'll think that far ahead once the window has closed
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Macca77 on January 29, 2018, 09:24:23 PM
Replace him with N'Zonzi

Simples
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: kramer0 on January 29, 2018, 09:24:32 PM
Wouldn't be such a bad move to try Sigurdsson in Schneiderlin's place with the protection of Gueye next to him, if the move comes off. I think he could make a pretty decent midfielder and extend his career there. He's never a £45m one but we are where we are. 

Agreed. Gana gives us the ability to play with two box-to-box midfielders, provided he actually stays in position (which he has done when asked to play as a lone DM this season).

Gana-Sigurdsson-Davies
Gana-Rooney-Davies
Gana-Rooney-Sigurdsson (probably not going to happen based on Allardyce's comments)

I'd be happy with any of those midfield configurations.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: toshyboy on January 29, 2018, 09:24:59 PM
Replace him with N'Zonzi

Simples

Would be a great move
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: formerKHL on January 29, 2018, 09:31:07 PM
Replace him with N'Zonzi

Simples
THIS or keep him..
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Major Clanger on January 29, 2018, 09:31:36 PM
Back to the OP - is there a difference between a bad player or a good player that consistently puts in bad performances?

A bad player can be relied upon to produce a certain level of performance, even if that level isn't too high. You can organise your team to cover up his weaknesses, you can only deploy him in certain situations and so on, you've got a whole host of options.

A good player playing badly is worse, as you can't build anything on him, no consistency to his game, not even in his mistakes, there's literally fuck all you can do.

And that's before we get into how it affects the dressing room.

So for practical reasons I'd much rather have a shit player playing his heart out than a good player who can't be arsed.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Lxxx on January 29, 2018, 09:38:22 PM
Agreed. Gana gives us the ability to play with two box-to-box midfielders, provided he actually stays in position (which he has done when asked to play as a lone DM this season).

Gana-Sigurdsson-Davies
Gana-Rooney-Davies
Gana-Rooney-Sigurdsson (probably not going to happen based on Allardyce's comments)

I'd be happy with any of those midfield configurations.

I'd even factor Klaassan in there if he can prove he has a little more cojones to his game than he first showed. We're now starting to get some pace and movement back into the team which would probably suit his game a lot more as he looks like his strengths are manipulating the ball quickly to build and then finish attacks, which should in theory be easier with players around him who are now a little more mobile and offensive.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: kramer0 on January 29, 2018, 09:41:12 PM
I'd even factor Klaassan in there if he can prove he has a little more cojones to his game than he first showed. We're now starting to get some pace and movement back into the team which would probably suit his game a lot more as he looks like his strengths are manipulating the ball quickly to build and then finish attacks, which should in theory be easier with players around him who are now a little more mobile and offensive.

I'd like another look at Klaassen but I'm resigned to the fact that Allardyce wants to get rid of him.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Gary1878 on January 29, 2018, 09:58:41 PM
Good Points:

- Can get out of tight spot with very good ball control
- Passes sideways very well
- Can take people out when they drift past him

Bad Points

- Doesn't score
- Doesn't create
- Doesn't look forwards for a pass
- Doesn't dribble
- Isn't fast

Why is he even in our squad let alone first team. Genuinely would rather see Klaassen being given a go for a few games in CM. At least he has a track record of doing something in games.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Macca77 on January 29, 2018, 10:03:25 PM
My 6 month old nephew is a better dribbler
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 29, 2018, 10:06:19 PM
Is this to make room for next week Nzonzi
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: bigac on January 29, 2018, 10:10:05 PM
He's particularly good at being a coward, one of the best I've seen!
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Goaljira on January 29, 2018, 10:13:31 PM
Is this to make room for next week Nzonzi

Getting him next week is no good.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Lxxx on January 29, 2018, 10:13:47 PM
I'd like another look at Klaassen but I'm resigned to the fact that Allardyce wants to get rid of him.

Unless Sam was told he has to make £20m of room before he can add another £20m midfielder (N'zonzi?) into the squad, and Klaassan was the obvious fall guy. Before Moyes rode to the rescue.
I agree he must be worth a second look if he doesn't go this window.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Lxxx on January 29, 2018, 10:15:24 PM
He's particularly good at being a coward, one of the best I've seen!

I don't think he's at McCarthy's level but they're about as bad as it gets as a pair. He would have been another target to offload to a Newcastle/West Ham if he didn't get injured. 
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: kramer0 on January 29, 2018, 10:15:47 PM
Unless Sam was told he has to make £20m of room before he can add another £20m midfielder (N'zonzi?) into the squad, and Klaassan was the obvious fall guy. Before Moyes rode to the rescue.
I agree he must be worth a second look if he doesn't go this window.

More like £20m to make room for van Aanholt.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Macca77 on January 29, 2018, 10:17:42 PM
More like £20m to make room for van Aanholt.

Please don't
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Lxxx on January 29, 2018, 10:18:42 PM
Please don't

You know it's only a matter of time before we see it rolling across the SSN yellow bar....
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Lincs Toffee on January 29, 2018, 10:18:50 PM
More like £20m to make room for van Aanholt.
WTF @kramer0 (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4360) lad ?, don't piss on our chips !
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: kramer0 on January 29, 2018, 10:19:34 PM
Please don't

Sorry. Whispers from reliable sources on other forums that Allardyce rejected Walsh's left back shortlist and wants his old pal.

Brace yourself.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 29, 2018, 10:20:35 PM
Sorry. Whispers from reliable sources on other forums that Allardyce rejected Walsh's left back shortlist and wants his old pal.

Brace yourself.
Walsh left back list was

Fuchs
Garbutt
Sammy Lee
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: TheRam on January 29, 2018, 10:20:56 PM
Sorry. Whispers from reliable sources on other forums that Allardyce rejected Walsh's left back shortlist and wants his old pal.

Brace yourself.

Please die
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Lxxx on January 29, 2018, 10:21:35 PM
Serious question but is Van Aarnholt actually as bad as everyone makes out? Whenever I've seen him he's looked pretty athletic and bombs up and down the left flank and pops up with a few goals too. Compared to the current encumbent of the left back slot that sounds pretty orgasmic.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: kramer0 on January 29, 2018, 10:22:05 PM
Please die

Me or van Aanholt?
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 29, 2018, 10:23:34 PM
Serious question but is Van Aarnholt actually as bad as everyone makes out? Whenever I've seen him he's looked pretty athletic and bombs up and down the left flank and pops up with a few goals too. Compared to the current encumbent of the left back slot that sounds pretty orgasmic.
Tbh, anyone with a left foot has to be an improvement on what we have now. And I don't think Martina is as bad as everyone else thinks!
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on January 29, 2018, 10:24:55 PM
Wouldn't be such a bad move to try Sigurdsson in Schneiderlin's place with the protection of Gueye next to him, if the move comes off. I think he could make a pretty decent midfielder and extend his career there. He's never a £45m one but we are where we are.
I remember Chelsea having Matic and Fabregas as their 2 ‘defensive’ midfielders. Had a nice balance to it.
Gylfi certainly has the fitness and passing ability for that role.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Macca77 on January 29, 2018, 10:25:26 PM
Rumour's on twitter that we have rejected West Ham's bid
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 29, 2018, 10:26:24 PM
Rumour's on twitter that we have rejected West Ham's bid
Oh you had to piss on it didn't you
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Macca77 on January 29, 2018, 10:27:45 PM
Oh you had to piss on it didn't you

I started the rumour.....
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: TheRam on January 29, 2018, 10:37:13 PM
As much as I want him gone, it wouldn't be the best squad management to sell a first team player right at the end of the window with not much time to replace.

I'm not too arsed about a replacement myself and I'd love to see more of beni, but can understand why the club would be reluctant to sell.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: kramer0 on January 29, 2018, 10:41:46 PM
As much as I want him gone, it wouldn't be the best squad management to sell a first team player right at the end of the window with not much time to replace.

I'm not too arsed about a replacement myself and I'd love to see more of beni, but can understand why the club would be reluctant to sell.

I see the logic in that. But I'm with you in not being bothered about a replacement.

I can't think of a coherent lineup that includes Schneiderlin and I think that's a big part of why we're seeing the absolute worst of him.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: brap2 on January 29, 2018, 11:38:15 PM
I think he’s a genuinely good player but for whatever reason I just can’t picture a midfield built around him that plays well.

I’ve said previously maybe with natural ball magnets around him to totally alleviate any responsibility at all, but we don’t have any really.


Needs to go really and hopefully a nice new CM will change how we look.

I think I don’t particularly hate PVA as much as others, either.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on January 29, 2018, 11:39:34 PM
Talk that WHU have offered to take him on loan but we’ll only sell.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: School of Science on January 29, 2018, 11:52:07 PM
Talk that WHU have offered to take him on loan but we’ll only sell.

Have West Ham got any real money, them spivs in charge are just taking the piss. If we sold Morgan, I think we would need a Barkley type of player myself, someone who can pass the ball forward, is comfortable with it and can run with it.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Ravardo on January 30, 2018, 12:02:08 AM
Id be made up if we sold him because when he plays its like he's not really there anyway but htc reckon whu are £4m off what we want for him
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Rodenplav64 on January 30, 2018, 12:10:58 AM
No but he can't be arsed putting it in for us .
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Cuttyblue on January 30, 2018, 12:25:48 AM
We need to get a little closer to WHU and Moyes's valuation here, take our medicine, and SELL.  Schneiderlin has been our most consistently useless player this season - GTFO.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Gash on January 30, 2018, 12:33:02 AM
Shame it hasn't really worked out for him, I still think he's a decent player but has a questionable attitude. He's sunk down to the level we've been playing at this season when in reality you want the experienced players like him to try and lift the rest and lead by example, not that he's only one. I like him but he's looked completely not arsed at times and if he goes I won't be too bothered.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Macca77 on January 30, 2018, 12:57:01 AM
https://twitter.com/BBCSport/status/958047972620750848
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: eugene on January 30, 2018, 01:07:19 AM
Have West Ham got any real money, them spivs in charge are just taking the piss. If we sold Morgan, I think we would need a Barkley type of player myself, someone who can pass the ball forward, is comfortable with it and can run with it.
Well that would definitely rule out Barkley
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Ell Capitan on January 30, 2018, 01:08:59 AM
Do tell.

Speaking to Sky Sports , he said: "Ronald Koeman pushed me very hard last season and I liked that. People can have opinions on the outside about Koeman and how things worked out with me but he did push and I enjoyed that.

"I probably worked harder myself when he was at Everton to keep improving, to improve everything, fitness, diet, defensive work, trying to get more goals, I was focused on everything.

"He had a belief that I could be much better than what I was showing. Obviously it didn't work out for him at Everton but he is a top coach."

Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Paddockoldie on January 30, 2018, 01:35:23 AM
Have West Ham got any real money, them spivs in charge are just taking the piss. If we sold Morgan, I think we would need a Barkley type of player myself, someone who can pass the ball forward, is comfortable with it and can run with it.

You forgot he needs to be able to think quickly and have better vision.... oh yeah, thicker skin would be a bonus.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: School of Science on January 30, 2018, 01:41:54 AM
You forgot he needs to be able to think quickly and have better vision.... oh yeah, thicker skin would be a bonus.

Ha never doubted Barkley's football abilities....
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: everton1952 on January 30, 2018, 02:34:51 AM
There is a player in there somewhere...
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Trublue on January 30, 2018, 02:44:48 AM
I thought he looked good last season.  Don't know what went wrong?
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Ari on January 30, 2018, 02:46:59 AM
To West Ham for 20 million pounds... yes yes yes...
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: UnsyisaRhino on January 30, 2018, 02:49:57 AM
Only worth it if we can also bring someone in. Another injury in midfield and we'd struggle!
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Lxxx on January 30, 2018, 05:00:24 AM
Only worth it if we can also bring someone in. Another injury in midfield and we'd struggle!

No we wouldn’t. We have one game a week left from here on in, we could easily bank the cash and it wouldn’t materially affect us at all if he left tomorrow.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Tony Clifton on January 30, 2018, 05:08:21 AM
Only worth it if we can also bring someone in. Another injury in midfield and we'd struggle!

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQU-JyzDBPINaksukcOP2AiW8xfhUD75NrKGHZewOcQR7kmUn6yow)

"Hello? Motherfuckin' Everton?"

So there's my January Manny for this year.  He's still only 31 y'know?  ;D

But seriously, the sooner Schneiderlin goes the better, pointless him even being around here let alone on the pitch.  The lad's a ghost with an attitude problem.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: American Evertonian on January 30, 2018, 05:24:11 AM
If he leaves and we get N'Zonzi or Brozovic then I think we can still consider it an upgrade
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Jamokachi on January 30, 2018, 06:59:56 AM
You know what, if I was a player bought in by a manager who believed in me, looked after me, pushed me, got the best out of me... then saw that manager replaced by Sam Allardyce, I'd be a bit fucking jaded too. Yes he was badly out of form at the start of the season, but that happens to every player. The 'Everton project' he was sold when we signed him has vastly changed. Anyone in the same position would be questioning their position, which in turn will affect performances, it's human nature.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: blargins on January 30, 2018, 07:30:19 AM
Schneiderlin was so good last season. So strange how he never got it back.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Ramjam on January 30, 2018, 09:10:35 AM
You know what, if I was a player bought in by a manager who believed in me, looked after me, pushed me, got the best out of me... then saw that manager replaced by Sam Allardyce, I'd be a bit fucking jaded too. Yes he was badly out of form at the start of the season, but that happens to every player. The 'Everton project' he was sold when we signed him has vastly changed. Anyone in the same position would be questioning their position, which in turn will affect performances, it's human nature.
Get your point however he’s getting paid £120,000 per week to play his bollocks off which he isn’t doing and whatever is going on within the club at board level is none of his business and if he’s worried about Koeman, he shouldn’t be, Everton bought him and pays his wages not Koeman. I do understand what you say about the project that was sold to him but he’s part of the problem that isn’t working within that project so he should probably have more of a go and try to put his stamp on the team as a senior player and lead by example as I do believe that there is a player in there somewhere
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Jamokachi on January 30, 2018, 09:58:39 AM
Get your point however he’s getting paid £120,000 per week to play his bollocks off which he isn’t doing and whatever is going on within the club at board level is none of his business and if he’s worried about Koeman, he shouldn’t be, Everton bought him and pays his wages not Koeman. I do understand what you say about the project that was sold to him but he’s part of the problem that isn’t working within that project so he should probably have more of a go and try to put his stamp on the team as a senior player and lead by example as I do believe that there is a player in there somewhere

Naive to think that players aren't affected by exactly the same work place stresses that impact us all, regardless of how much they earn.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Ramjam on January 30, 2018, 10:17:39 AM
Naive to think that players aren't affected by exactly the same work place stresses that impact us all, regardless of how much they earn.
He doesn’t look to stressed to me, he looks like he’s not arsed.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: TheRam on January 30, 2018, 12:04:47 PM
You know what, if I was a player bought in by a manager who believed in me, looked after me, pushed me, got the best out of me... then saw that manager replaced by Sam Allardyce, I'd be a bit fucking jaded too. Yes he was badly out of form at the start of the season, but that happens to every player. The 'Everton project' he was sold when we signed him has vastly changed. Anyone in the same position would be questioning their position, which in turn will affect performances, it's human nature.

Or you just get on with it and try to impress the new manager?

The fact he's threw the towel in as soon as things started not to go well vindicates a decision to get rid asap, if we do.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Morta75 on January 30, 2018, 02:11:23 PM
He looks totally lost, no interest in giving it all for EFC. If he's on 120.000 a week, it is a no brainer to offload him in my opinion. Bring in a young hungry player that will bleed for the shirt and work the ass of no matter what! Everybody can have a bad day technic and ball way, but no excuse when you don't run and try. Everyone can run for a hole game if they get 50.000 a week. No excuses… and yes this season he's been very, very bad
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Lxxx on January 30, 2018, 03:18:24 PM
You know what, if I was a player bought in by a manager who believed in me, looked after me, pushed me, got the best out of me... then saw that manager replaced by Sam Allardyce, I'd be a bit fucking jaded too. Yes he was badly out of form at the start of the season, but that happens to every player. The 'Everton project' he was sold when we signed him has vastly changed. Anyone in the same position would be questioning their position, which in turn will affect performances, it's human nature.

But these are professional sportsmen, it’s not like a normal job.
Most other footballers seem to cope with changes of manager okay, the fact his arse has fallen out means he’s soft and not one who can be relied upon so get rid.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: formerKHL on January 30, 2018, 03:24:37 PM
it's not a normal job to us.....but to them it is....it's their job..they get paid well to do it but that's not their fault...

my issues with this is if he goes.... everton being the way they are..... will never get a replacement across the line in time...

also based on the opinions posted on here.....if players aren't playing they mustn't be showing in training.....he plays every game therefore forum logic dictates he is showing in training...ergo allardyce probably doesn't want to lose him as his opinion is vastly different to the average fans opinion....
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Ross on January 30, 2018, 04:55:36 PM
The oracle has spoken he’s going nowhere.

#evertonfamily

https://twitter.com/JimWhite/status/958288329417658368?s=17
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: kramer0 on January 30, 2018, 04:57:30 PM
Does Allardyce bring Davies back in or does he try the Gana/Schneiderlin nightmare some more?
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Cereal Killer on January 30, 2018, 04:59:42 PM
Does Allardyce bring Davies back in or does he try the Gana/Schneiderlin nightmare some more?

I'm guessing he'll go with experience over youth 99% of the time
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Lxxx on January 30, 2018, 05:05:09 PM
Does Allardyce bring Davies back in or does he try the Gana/Schneiderlin nightmare some more?

Just the mere thought of it brings a little bit of vomit up in the throat.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: AllyBlue14 on January 30, 2018, 05:07:23 PM
Naive to think that players aren't affected by exactly the same work place stresses that impact us all, regardless of how much they earn.

This may be fair enough, but when you are a senior member of the squad, you have to stand up and be counted. The fact that we are paying him all this money means that we expect a certain level of performance, which he has clearly not delivered this season.

Going through a bad patch is one thing, but when you look as if you are apathetic to the result and there have been reports of a bad attitude, then it is time to move him on.

And in any case, he was shit at the start of the season and for Unsworth too, long before he knew anything about Allardyce joining. Even then, if you are earning half a million pounds a month, is it too much to expect a little effort?
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Lxxx on January 30, 2018, 05:12:35 PM
I know I've said it numerous times but I keep reading similar sentiments on here so I think it must be some kind of selective memory when it comes to Schneiderlin. He only played eight games for us before getting injured when he joined last year and then came back in fits and starts until the end of the season. This notion that he was amazing when he joined probably did coincide with a good run of form for us but in reality he played a handful of games in that stretch, so he wasn't on a long run of good form like some seem to think.   
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Macca77 on January 30, 2018, 05:14:50 PM
The oracle has spoken he’s going nowhere.

#evertonfamily

https://twitter.com/JimWhite/status/958288329417658368?s=17

https://twitter.com/Tony_Scott11/status/958288729478746112
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Lincs Toffee on January 30, 2018, 05:14:53 PM
He did actually score for us if I remember rightly, fuck all chance of that now as he hardly moves from the centre circle
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Ravardo on January 30, 2018, 05:30:45 PM
The bubble bursts gutted westham dont want him and we wanna keep him
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Jamokachi on January 30, 2018, 06:31:38 PM
Or you just get on with it and try to impress the new manager?

The fact he's threw the towel in as soon as things started not to go well vindicates a decision to get rid asap, if we do.

I never said he shouldn't, I'm only saying that I can appreciate how a player might feel jaded by the scenario. And that can manifest into any reaction.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Jamokachi on January 30, 2018, 06:32:52 PM
But these are professional sportsmen, it’s not like a normal job.
Most other footballers seem to cope with changes of manager okay, the fact his arse has fallen out means he’s soft and not one who can be relied upon so get rid.

Maybe so, who knows. It's very easy to look past the human element, though.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Rodenplav64 on January 30, 2018, 06:50:23 PM
He looks totally lost, no interest in giving it all for EFC. If he's on 120.000 a week, it is a no brainer to offload him in my opinion. Bring in a young hungry player that will bleed for the shirt and work the ass of no matter what! Everybody can have a bad day technic and ball way, but no excuse when you don't run and try. Everyone can run for a hole game if they get 50.000 a week. No excuses… and yes this season he's been very, very bad

Davies .
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: AllyBlue14 on January 30, 2018, 07:16:50 PM
I never said he shouldn't, I'm only saying that I can appreciate how a player might feel jaded by the scenario. And that can manifest into any reaction.

But Schneiderlin has been shit all season, regardless of the scenario - he is arguably part of the reason we find ourselves with Allardyce as manager (i.e. one of a number of players not playing to expectations).
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 30, 2018, 07:22:16 PM
Looks like it could be either Schneiderlin or Besic to leave

Who you would prefer to lose/let go?
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: AllyBlue14 on January 30, 2018, 07:24:15 PM
Looks like it could be either Schneiderlin or Besic to leave

Who you would prefer to lose/let go?

Schneiderlin - at least, as far as we know, Besic has a good attitude and is probably on less than 120k a week.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Macca77 on January 30, 2018, 07:27:04 PM
Besic, because he's shitter than Schneiderlin
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Lxxx on January 30, 2018, 07:52:24 PM
Looks like it could be either Schneiderlin or Besic to leave

Who you would prefer to lose/let go?

Would snap their hands off if we got offers for both of them. We have Rooney, Davies, Sig, Gana and Beni who can play in the centre and with one game a week from here on it, at the most, then we should have plenty to get by.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: formerKHL on January 30, 2018, 07:59:17 PM
Would snap their hands off if we got offers for both of them. We have Rooney, Davies, Sig, Gana and Beni who can play in the centre and with one game a week from here on it, at the most, then we should have plenty to get by.

TBH I like both of them and think they both offer something different to each other.....

with wats left.....
rooney - no legs, loadsa experience plus goals.....if he gets injured ???
Davies - loadsa legs, some experience, no end product...
siggurdson - bit of everything, not loads of anything ...at the moment
Gana - loadsa legs, experience, no positional discipline...
Beni - not a lot of anything......at the moment ( not a negative just explanation)

sez it all imo....
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Lxxx on January 30, 2018, 08:10:37 PM
TBH I like both of them and think they both offer something different to each other.....

with wats left.....
rooney - no legs, loadsa experience plus goals.....if he gets injured ???
Davies - loadsa legs, some experience, no end product...
siggurdson - bit of everything, not loads of anything ...at the moment
Gana - loadsa legs, experience, no positional discipline...
Beni - not a lot of anything......at the moment ( not a negative just explanation)

sez it all imo....

There's enough in those five, with Klaassan if Sam can't get rid and wants another look, to bank the cash, (if offered)  and get us through until we can buy some quality in the summer.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: formerKHL on January 30, 2018, 08:14:44 PM
There's enough in those five, with Klaassan if Sam can't get rid and wants another look, to bank the cash, (if offered)  and get us through until we can buy some quality in the summer.

its sam tho....he'll go for experience over youth everytime so you can rule the 2 young lads out and then klaassan....well I think its all been sed about davy........he wont get a look in with sam ...

I get the feeling the only reason we'll see a change from the "usual" will be because of injuries or suspensions....then a midfield will be forced on him and touch wood...it will work out perfectly as the "right" choices....if you get my drift..
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Lxxx on January 30, 2018, 08:18:23 PM
its sam tho....he'll go for experience over youth everytime so you can rule the 2 young lads out and then klaassan....well I think its all been sed about davy........he wont get a look in with sam ...

I get the feeling the only reason we'll see a change from the "usual" will be because of injuries or suspensions....then a midfield will be forced on him and touch wood...it will work out perfectly as the "right" choices....if you get my drift..

If, reading between the lines, you're saying he's a football dinosaur then I agree.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: formerKHL on January 30, 2018, 08:21:13 PM
you named that tune in one......

also saying he's jammy enough to fall onto a midfield/system by pure luck and it will work out for him...
Title: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: kramer0 on January 30, 2018, 09:04:38 PM
When is the last time we played well without Davies? Sad as it is, I think he's one of our most influential players.

I don't see why his form is a stick to beat him with. Everyone in this team is out of form. At least Davies tries stuff.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: eugene on January 30, 2018, 09:11:49 PM
Besic, because he's shitter than Schneiderlin
Wow now that’s a tough call
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: formerKHL on January 30, 2018, 09:21:41 PM
When is the last time we played well without Davies? Sad as it is, I think he's one of our most influential players.

I don't see why his form is a stick to beat him with. Everyone in this team is out of form. At least Davies tries stuff.

unfortunately when you've got a group of players underperforming like we have every little mishap, misplaced pass/tackle error is highlighted and exaggerated.......davies for me is a work in progress and to learn he has to make mistakes and learn from them....his personal development has been accelerated by poor managers and poor team performances.....now his "form" is suffering....

for me personally all i'd like to see from davies at present is an end product.... whether that be a 5 yard/25 yard pass, a slotted channel pass or any positive his effort deserves would be enough......
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Lxxx on January 30, 2018, 09:29:29 PM
unfortunately when you've got a group of players underperforming like we have every little mishap, misplaced pass/tackle error is highlighted and exaggerated.......davies for me is a work in progress and to learn he has to make mistakes and learn from them....his personal development has been accelerated by poor managers and poor team performances.....now his "form" is suffering....

for me personally all i'd like to see from davies at present is an end product.... whether that be a 5 yard/25 yard pass, a slotted channel pass or any positive his effort deserves would be enough......

He's more likely to get that now though as it looks like he'd have players to pass to. Bolasie, Walcott and Tosun all look like they'd appreciate an early pass whereas I'm not sure what benefit an early ball would give to Lennon, Sig or DCL.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Goaljira on January 30, 2018, 09:29:37 PM
When is the last time we played well without Davies? Sad as it is, I think he's one of our most influential players.

I don't see why his form is a stick to beat him with. Everyone in this team is out of form. At least Davies tries stuff.

The Davies/Gana/Rooney midfield is the only one that seems to work of the one's we've tried.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: kramer0 on January 30, 2018, 09:32:44 PM
The Davies/Gana/Rooney midfield is the only one that seems to work of the one's we've tried.

Yep. I think you could swap Sigurdsson for Rooney and make it work too.

Davies-Gana are non-negotiable for me.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: formerKHL on January 30, 2018, 09:46:51 PM
He's more likely to get that now though as it looks like he'd have players to pass to. Bolasie, Walcott and Tosun all look like they'd appreciate an early pass whereas I'm not sure what benefit an early ball would give to Lennon, Sig or DCL.

you cant beat the early through ball into the box from your midfielder...catches the defender square on 99 times out of a 100....
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Lxxx on January 30, 2018, 09:47:36 PM
Yep. I think you could swap Sigurdsson for Rooney and make it work too.

Davies-Gana are non-negotiable for me.

Yep. You could dispense with Besic, Schneiderlin and you could have added McCarthy to that too. Maybe even Klaassan to bank some cash and start again, to no material detriment to the team.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Goaljira on January 30, 2018, 09:49:26 PM
Yep. I think you could swap Sigurdsson for Rooney and make it work too.

Davies-Gana are non-negotiable for me.

I'd like to think Klaassen could work in the Davies role in that trio too, but he's been outcast completely.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: eugene on January 30, 2018, 09:56:09 PM
Yes it pains me to say klaassan has had his time with us with no impact at all, not once have I looked at him this season and thought he has anything to offer, shame really because his signing had me buzzing
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Lincs Toffee on January 30, 2018, 10:29:01 PM
Yep. I think you could swap Sigurdsson for Rooney and make it work too.

Davies-Gana are non-negotiable for me.
Looks like its going to be them for tomorrow according to @Django (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4371)
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: SANA_DR0 on January 31, 2018, 03:17:26 AM
i just seen a post on facebook that says we came out with a statement that we're not looking to sell Schneiderlin due to him being QUALITY.

seriously wtf, the worst player this season..actually think mike fucking milligan did more for us than that crab.

going to boo him every time he touches the ball tomorrow night.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Cassius on January 31, 2018, 03:18:52 AM
i just seen a post on facebook that says we came out with a statement that we're not looking to sell Schneiderlin due to him being QUALITY.

seriously wtf, the worst player this season..actually think mike fucking milligan did more for us than that crab.

going to boo him every time he touches the ball tomorrow night.

Yeah! Let's boo him into becoming a better player!
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: SANA_DR0 on January 31, 2018, 03:23:30 AM
Yeah! Let's boo him into becoming a better player!

no boo him so he's not picked. surely if the Everton fans dont want him, he wont want to stay/will be sold.

regardless even if he is cheered for 15 mins.. he will make the Everton fans boo him with his crab like play. not to mention the amount of times he has given the ball away this season costing us a goal.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: indiantoffee1975 on January 31, 2018, 03:25:02 AM
Booing any player before a ball has not been kicked is not on.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: SANA_DR0 on January 31, 2018, 03:29:13 AM
well if sam insists on playing him over Davies, and he keeps making mistakes and keeps slowing our playdown, and keeps passing backwards.. then how do we get sam to see what he refuses to see?


whats pissed me off is that Everton have said he is QUALITY. seriously wtf. where has he shown any quality this season?

least if Sam doesnt pick him, we may have some attaking play which might be faster than crab pace.

or are most nsnoers of the theory that we should start him again and give him a chance to fuck up, then change it? but by that time we will be losing.. ;/

how many times do the same mistakes need to be repeated?
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Gash on January 31, 2018, 03:30:29 AM
i just seen a post on facebook that says we came out with a statement that we're not looking to sell Schneiderlin due to him being QUALITY.

Even though he's the self appointed mouth piece of Everton, a tweet by Jim White doesn't qualify as a the club 'coming out with a statement'.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: SANA_DR0 on January 31, 2018, 03:32:27 AM
Even though he's the self appointed mouth piece of Everton, a tweet by Jim White doesn't qualify as a the club 'coming out with a statement'.

lol i never knew it was Jim White, i just read someones  status who is an everton fan, who a statement came from the club saying we are keeping MS cos he is quality.. hence my venting!! i was so happy yesterday when west ham came in with a bid..
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: bigac on January 31, 2018, 03:37:38 AM
He's the best player in the world Mr Gold and Mr Sullivan, he really, really is!
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Shropshire Blue on January 31, 2018, 03:46:30 AM
i just seen a post on facebook that says we came out with a statement that we're not looking to sell Schneiderlin due to him being QUALITY.

seriously wtf, the worst player this season..actually think mike fucking milligan did more for us than that crab.

going to boo him every time he touches the ball tomorrow night.
How would you describe something you want to sell for as much as possible?
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Brownie on January 31, 2018, 03:46:34 AM
The problem is we never changed his squad number from 2. Ridiculous number for a DM. Should be 4 and let him get the psychological edge back
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: SANA_DR0 on January 31, 2018, 03:57:48 AM
How would you describe something you want to sell for as much as possible?

Sorry, it might butcher your question, but i dont see it like that. I'd rather cut our losses now before costs us more.
Plus with Banninigme or Davies in the side, or Rooney playing there it would improve us immensely.

getting rid for a loss has so many benefits.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Gash on January 31, 2018, 04:07:48 AM
The problem is we never changed his squad number from 2. Ridiculous number for a DM. Should be 4 and let him get the psychological edge back

Wilfried Bony wears 2 for Swansea, fries my brain every time I see it.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Shropshire Blue on January 31, 2018, 04:10:48 AM
Sorry, it might butcher your question, but i dont see it like that. I'd rather cut our losses now before costs us more.
Plus with Banninigme or Davies in the side, or Rooney playing there it would improve us immensely.

getting rid for a loss has so many benefits.
I'm not actually disagreeing with you but the club still have someone to sell and have a duty to get as much as possible for him so they are right to big him up.
Can you imagine the reaction if we publicly said he was crap and then tried to sell him?
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Ravardo on January 31, 2018, 04:31:31 AM
Westham have already dropped there interest anyway due to bad feedback
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: blargins on January 31, 2018, 04:37:28 AM
lol i never knew it was Jim White, i just read someones  status who is an everton fan, who a statement came from the club saying we are keeping MS cos he is quality.. hence my venting!! i was so happy yesterday when west ham came in with a bid..
Maybe the club have learnt from the Barkley mistakes that led to a quality player leaving for peanuts?

Maybe instead of airing laundry in the open they are publicly rating our players so as to get more money for them?

Schneiderlin is a quality player. We were delighted when we bought him last year. He has been shite though this season but he is still a good player.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Ell Capitan on January 31, 2018, 04:49:24 AM
I'm not actually disagreeing with you but the club still have someone to sell and have a duty to get as much as possible for him so they are right to big him up.
Can you imagine the reaction if we publicly said he was crap and then tried to sell him?

That’s what Koeman did with Niasse.

Unsurprisingly we couldn’t flog him. And as it turns out he wasn’t even that shit.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Tony Clifton on January 31, 2018, 04:50:12 AM
Wilfried Bony wears 2 for Swansea, fries my brain every time I see it.

That's because he's a shit as well ;)
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Jamokachi on January 31, 2018, 04:58:33 AM
going to boo him every time he touches the ball tomorrow night.

You're a bad tit, you know that?
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Confucius on January 31, 2018, 05:19:38 AM
Westham have already dropped there interest anyway due to bad feedback

As in when they called Bill they couldn't hear each other because of the feedback?
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: SANA_DR0 on January 31, 2018, 06:02:46 AM
You're a bad tit, you know that?

i know, its cos i got a heart shaped areola.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: everton1952 on January 31, 2018, 06:16:04 AM
Schneids is probably a good player with a lousy attitude, but we can only guess.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: GLewis on February 10, 2018, 10:56:01 PM
Embarrassing booing him when he came on today.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on February 10, 2018, 10:58:03 PM
Ridiculous to boo him.

Makes the "Barkley gets booed" brigade look a bit daft though, he never got anything close to that.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: blue1948 on February 10, 2018, 10:59:51 PM
I never like to hear boos before they get a chance to kick the ball .
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Gash on February 10, 2018, 11:00:03 PM
Embarrassing booing him when he came on today.

I'd hoped it was for the change rather than the person but probably not.

Just a generally shite atmosphere all over the club at the moment, even when we're winning.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: GLewis on February 10, 2018, 11:02:15 PM
I'd hoped it was for the change rather than the person but probably not.

Just a generally shite atmosphere all over the club at the moment, even when we're winning.

Yes it was probably a bit of both but there was a second wave of boos when he ran on.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Shogun on February 10, 2018, 11:05:02 PM
The main reason he was boo'd was because our £27m striker was sitting on the bench whilst we were 3-0 up at home.

They boo'd Schneiderlin as well like but the main reason was the above.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Jimmywhack on February 10, 2018, 11:07:30 PM
Defo aimed at him when he came on the pitch like

Pre that who knows
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Mayor Farnum on February 10, 2018, 11:09:56 PM
The main reason he was boo'd was because our £27m striker was sitting on the bench whilst we were 3-0 up at home.

They boo'd Schneiderlin as well like but the main reason was the above.

If it wasn't for the forced substitutions during today's game I'm sure Cenk would have got ten of fifteen minutes today. Crowd should have realised that.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Shogun on February 10, 2018, 11:11:51 PM
If it wasn't for the forced substitutions during today's game I'm sure Cenk would have got ten of fifteen minutes today. Crowd should have realised that.

Don't buy that.

There's no reason you should need to bring a shite out of form player like Schneiderlin on at 3-0 up at home over Tosun.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: gizzblue on February 10, 2018, 11:14:10 PM
Nobody wants him that's pretty evident ....and if @ Sam had anything about him Tosun would've been on as the third went in ....for some much needed minutes you know to adjust to a league...slaying the lad for not adjusting and not giving him minutes is beyond shit.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Mayor Farnum on February 10, 2018, 11:14:16 PM
Don't buy that.

There's no reason you should need to bring a shite out of form player like Schneiderlin on at 3-0 up at home over Tosun.

It was to retain a larger share of possession to protect a much needed result. Common practice.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Dr. Sponge on February 10, 2018, 11:14:39 PM
I'd never boo one of our own players myself, but the clip of him not being arsed to close a shot down properly against Arsenal has made a lot of fans angry.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Shogun on February 10, 2018, 11:15:50 PM
It was to retain a larger share of possession to protect a much needed result. Common practice.

3-0 at home to Crystal Palace with 15 minutes to go. Morgan Schneiderlin (over Gana) is never going to be the difference between protecting that result and throwing it away..
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: GLewis on February 10, 2018, 11:16:17 PM
I'd never boo one of our own players myself, but the clip of him not being arsed to close a shot down properly against Arsenal has made a lot of fans angry.

In a sheep like fashion.

As if the rest of the team wasn’t completely useless.

Whoever did that video did it to scapegoat.

A bit like Martina was at fault for every goal / dropped point a few weeks ago.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Mayor Farnum on February 10, 2018, 11:20:33 PM
3-0 at home to Crystal Palace with 15 minutes to go. Morgan Schneiderlin (over Gana) is never going to be the difference between protecting that result and throwing it away..
Perhaps but confidence is low and the result is paramount. No problem with a cautious approach.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Shogun on February 10, 2018, 11:21:46 PM
Perhaps but confidence is low and the result is paramount. No problem with a cautious approach.


Lost 1-0 whilst he was on the pitch so it worked well.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: gizzblue on February 10, 2018, 11:21:51 PM
In a sheep like fashion.

As if the rest of the team wasn't completely useless.

Whoever did that video did it to scapegoat.

A bit like Martina was at fault for every goal / dropped point a few weeks ago.
Yeah because Schneiderlin has been nothing short of class this season and deserves a break 😅😅....never seen a player so "not arsed" since Jo sat on his arse on the pitch before he got shipped out ....cant believe people still want this fraud of a shithouse on the pitch tbh.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Mayor Farnum on February 10, 2018, 11:24:54 PM
Lost 1-0 whilst he was on the pitch so it worked well.

Never looked at it like that. I'm convinced; put the new guy on because we're all giddy when it comes to new signings.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: GLewis on February 10, 2018, 11:26:55 PM
Yeah because Schneiderlin has been nothing short of class this season and deserves a break 😅😅....never seen a player so "not arsed" since Jo sat on his arse on the pitch before he got shipped out ....cant believe people still want this fraud of a shithouse on the pitch tbh.

Nah it’s embarrassing.

If he wasn’t arsed would he have been picked by all 3 managers so far this season.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: School of Science on February 10, 2018, 11:30:16 PM
Thought it was embarrassing from us as a club booing one of our own players onto the field today. Not playing well but that will do him or his confidence no help at all.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Bigstickytoffee on February 10, 2018, 11:51:30 PM
Perhaps but confidence is low and the result is paramount. No problem with a cautious approach.

Sam allardyces thoughts no doubt. However he is oblivious to the the fact that schneids on the pitch is us effectively down to 10 men.

Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Simon Paul on February 11, 2018, 12:24:56 AM
actually don't think I remember a sub being booed whilst standing on the sidelines at Goodison in an Everton shirt

anyone remember differently?
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: blueski on February 11, 2018, 12:29:20 AM
actually don't think I remember a sub being booed whilst standing on the sidelines at Goodison in an Everton shirt

anyone remember differently?
well there was that game where heitinga was booed coming on and scored the game winning goal - can't remember the game - bolton maybe?
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Lazarou on February 11, 2018, 12:29:43 AM
actually don't think I remember a sub being booed whilst standing on the sidelines at Goodison in an Everton shirt

anyone remember differently?

New one for me. It seems anything goes these days in regards to voicing your opinion and reacting to things. I blame the internet and especially those forums that people seem to frequent these days.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Simon Paul on February 11, 2018, 12:35:36 AM
New one for me. It seems anything goes these days in regards to voicing your opinion and reacting to things. I blame the internet and especially those forums that people seem to frequent these days.


I thought Lescott but I don't think we booed him en masse against Arsenal and he started the game didn't he?

I couldn't work out what people were booing until I looked over the touchline and saw him stood there
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Polledreng on February 11, 2018, 12:54:30 AM
I thought Lescott but I don't think we booed him en masse against Arsenal and he started the game didn't he?

I couldn't work out what people were booing until I looked over the touchline and saw him stood there
yes he did start.... never should have though
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Simon Paul on February 11, 2018, 12:55:23 AM
yes he did start.... never should have though

wasn't the worst player on the pitch by a mile that day - not man of the match, but definitely not even in the bottom five performers
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Bob Sacamano on February 11, 2018, 12:57:59 AM
wasn't the worst player on the pitch by a mile that day - not man of the match, but definitely not even in the bottom five performers

My memory has him stinking the place out. Who else? Just out of morbid curiosity.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: gizzblue on February 11, 2018, 01:11:04 AM
Nah it's embarrassing.

If he wasn't arsed would he have been picked by all 3 managers so far this season.
Must be the opposite of all our other signings ...awesome in training ..  but still shite on a Saturday .
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Polledreng on February 11, 2018, 01:12:10 AM
wasn't the worst player on the pitch by a mile that day - not man of the match, but definitely not even in the bottom five performers
Could be wrong but I remember it the Way @Bob Sacamano (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=47) did
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Simon Paul on February 11, 2018, 01:12:39 AM
My memory has him stinking the place out. Who else? Just out of morbid curiosity.

match ratings thread from BITD

http://www.nsno.co.uk/oldforum/index.php?topic=781091.0 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/oldforum/index.php?topic=781091.0)
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Bob Sacamano on February 11, 2018, 01:14:10 AM
match ratings thread from BITD

http://www.nsno.co.uk/oldforum/index.php?topic=781091.0 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/oldforum/index.php?topic=781091.0)


Thought you were posting a BOTD thread then.

Anyway, back to the ratings. Fucking bleak reading man.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: American Evertonian on February 11, 2018, 01:14:25 AM
Would be very surprised to see him in an Everton shirt next year. Would prefer we sell him and get N'Zonzi.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: GLewis on February 11, 2018, 01:20:54 AM
My memory has him stinking the place out. Who else? Just out of morbid curiosity.

Think it was because everyone had it in their minds that he’d caused unrest; so that when we got stuffed his own performance was hammered.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Simon Paul on February 11, 2018, 01:24:15 AM
Think it was because everyone had it in their minds that he’d caused unrest; so that when we got stuffed his own performance was hammered.

not by you though!
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: gizzblue on February 11, 2018, 01:29:16 AM
I honestly don't think the bollocks over him and Mirralas "alleged" training incident did him any favours with supporters  And shouldve used it as a springboard to move on and improve but really just hasn't whatsoever ...and its bit him badly on the arse .
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: GLewis on February 11, 2018, 01:29:36 AM
not by you though!

Oh yeah!
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: School of Science on February 11, 2018, 01:31:32 AM
match ratings thread from BITD

http://www.nsno.co.uk/oldforum/index.php?topic=781091.0 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/oldforum/index.php?topic=781091.0)


Fookinhell, Ossie -1 hahaha.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: TheRam on February 11, 2018, 01:35:01 AM
I've got no time for him.

Hope he's really upset by the reaction and it ruins his Saturday night.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: starblood on February 11, 2018, 02:27:44 AM
He has been playing half-arsed all season. Any talk of form is way off, it is all to do with effort and application.

You can go back to the 4-0 loss at Old Trafford and watch him in that game - he was as bad as he was against Arsenal (costing us goals and everything). And the European game when he got sent off - Jermaine Jenas called him out after that.

To think we let Barry go (consummate professional) to pave the way for this guy.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Alanvideo on February 11, 2018, 02:41:53 AM
From my seat in the MS the boos sounded quite strong .Last time I heard it was when Moyes brought on Tony Hibbert when drawing against Spurs about 10 seasons ago. The crowd wanted to go for the win but Moyes was cautious and we eventually lost.
Now I don't agree with booing players but if anyone deserved it was Schneiderlin.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Lxxx on February 11, 2018, 03:39:09 AM
Listen you need to be a certain kind of character to make it at this club these days. The fans have always been quite vocal but they're pretty unforgiving now and if players are taking the piss, which Schneiderlin has been for the majority of his time here, then they're gonna get called out.
 
I don't think we're any worse than some of the crowds on the continent it just seems we're most vocal in the Premier League, but so what. We demand a certain level of effort and regardless of ability that should be a bare minimum. Niasse is one player who has it in spades and he's shown that Evertonians will forgive a lack of quality for leaving everything out on the pitch so let's not have it perceived we're a nasty bunch, we just pay our money and expect to see it returned.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: pedrotheblue on February 11, 2018, 04:13:05 AM
He's a cowardly excuse of a professional footballer, end of.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Bally on February 11, 2018, 04:19:37 AM
actually don't think I remember a sub being booed whilst standing on the sidelines at Goodison in an Everton shirt

anyone remember differently?
I can't
Not sure if it was the person or who it wasn't, just seemed to resonate through the Gwladys slowly then by the time we saw it was Schneiderlin it was to far gone.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Thornton_19 on February 11, 2018, 04:26:49 AM
Not a fan of booing your own players at all.
Schneiderlin has been a proper gobshite on the pitch as of late and depending on who you believe off it too. I think this sort of reaction has been coming and he is an easy target for it.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Bally on February 11, 2018, 04:31:52 AM
match ratings thread from BITD

http://www.nsno.co.uk/oldforum/index.php?topic=781091.0 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/oldforum/index.php?topic=781091.0)
Some old names knocking about on that thread I also think that was Stephens first season ticket game
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: NomadskiEFC on February 11, 2018, 07:28:09 PM
I'm still not sure what he does.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Mayor Farnum on February 11, 2018, 07:37:16 PM
Listen you need to be a certain kind of character to make it at this club these days. The fans have always been quite vocal but they're pretty unforgiving now and if players are taking the piss, which Schneiderlin has been for the majority of his time here, then they're gonna get called out.
 
I don't think we're any worse than some of the crowds on the continent it just seems we're most vocal in the Premier League, but so what. We demand a certain level of effort and regardless of ability that should be a bare minimum. Niasse is one player who has it in spades and he's shown that Evertonians will forgive a lack of quality for leaving everything out on the pitch so let's not have it perceived we're a nasty bunch, we just pay our money and expect to see it returned.

No-one's made it at this club for about thirty years. To make it here you have to have a mustache and a pair of tiny shorts.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: GLewis on February 12, 2018, 12:44:44 AM
Listen you need to be a certain kind of character to make it at this club these days. The fans have always been quite vocal but they're pretty unforgiving now and if players are taking the piss, which Schneiderlin has been for the majority of his time here, then they're gonna get called out.
 
I don't think we're any worse than some of the crowds on the continent it just seems we're most vocal in the Premier League, but so what. We demand a certain level of effort and regardless of ability that should be a bare minimum. Niasse is one player who has it in spades and he's shown that Evertonians will forgive a lack of quality for leaving everything out on the pitch so let's not have it perceived we're a nasty bunch, we just pay our money and expect to see it returned.


We’ve given players who try hard a load of stick over the years.

Not that level obviously but players like Hibbert and Osman were regularly hammered.

Pembridge or whoever got dogs abuse for years etc.

I do think that this has been exacerbated by the internet age where one video of him actually getting back in the box (when we’ve all seen players not even bothered getting back) causes mass indignation.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: brap2 on February 12, 2018, 01:08:55 AM
hes become a meme among the fan base. I do think the ire was exacerbated by the fact everyone was hoping for Tosun, but here’s no doubting he’s the boo boy de jour.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: bacon sarnie on February 13, 2018, 12:42:42 AM
hes become a meme among the fan base. I do think the ire was exacerbated by the fact everyone was hoping for Tosun, but here’s no doubting he’s the boo boy de jour.

No wonder he ran down the tunnel without waving bye-bye.
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: gizzblue on February 13, 2018, 02:12:37 AM
No wonder he ran down the tunnel without waving bye-bye.
He "ran" ....so he can actually do that then .😅😅
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Ramjam on February 13, 2018, 02:32:47 AM
No wonder he ran down the tunnel without waving bye-bye.
Should have opened the doors onto Goodison Road and told him to keep on running
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: Nicco on February 13, 2018, 01:34:46 PM
Should have opened the doors onto Goodison Road and told him to keep on running
Maybe we should do a Forrest Gump with him?
Title: Re: Is Schneiderlin a bad player?
Post by: BlueForYou on February 13, 2018, 04:37:59 PM
Bad player for us

Toxicton strikes again