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Title: Cuco Martina
Post by: Bigjmill on February 01, 2018, 04:57:06 PM
Let's start off by saying I am not trying to start off a pro-Cuco Martina thread. However, I thought he had one of his better games last night and I have a theory about this.

The reason, in short, is the return of Coleman.

Why? I 100% believe that when a player is "weak" or "young and unproven" in a position, you tend to get the player/s next to him covering. Unfortunately for us, we have had 2 cases of this on both sides of defence, Martina and Kenny. Both left and right centre-backs have been or should have pushed wide to help them out, causing gaps in our defence. The wingers have been dropping deep just to cover for both of them also which will be to the detriment of our attack.

Now that Coleman is back, the right wing will not be overly worried and the right-sided centre-back will trust whats going on to the right of him too.

In turn, this means that only the left side will cover as they have been and Martina will get allot more protection because there will be less space in the middle for the centre-backs to worry about.

If Coleman stays fit then the rest is history. Just wait until we get Baines back as well! Bliss.
Title: Re: Cuco Martina
Post by: Mick 1995 on February 01, 2018, 05:08:06 PM
Let's start off by saying I am not trying to start off a pro-Cuco Martina thread. However, I thought he had one of his better games last night and I have a theory about this.

The reason, in short, is the return of Coleman.

Why? I 100% believe that when a player is "weak" or "young and unproven" in a position, you tend to get the player/s next to him covering. Unfortunately for us, we have had 2 cases of this on both sides of defence, Martina and Kenny. Both left and right centre-backs have been or should have pushed wide to help them out, causing gaps in our defence. The wingers have been dropping deep just to cover for both of them also which will be to the detriment of our attack.

Now that Coleman is back, the right wing will not be overly worried and the right-sided centre-back will trust whats going on to the right of him too.

In turn, this means that only the left side will cover as they have been and Martina will get allot more protection because there will be less space in the middle for the centre-backs to worry about.

If Coleman stays fit then the rest is history. Just wait until we get Baines back as well! Bliss.

Very good point that. May be why we saw a return to form of Keane as well. Still learning his trade as well but, when playing, has been asked to keep an eye on the right flank as well as do his own job.
Title: Re: Cuco Martina
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on February 02, 2018, 01:37:56 AM
Out of position, the lads tried his rocks off and done ok for me, did well last night....
Title: Re: Cuco Martina
Post by: mikey_blue on February 02, 2018, 01:48:59 AM
Out of position, the lads tried his rocks off and done ok for me, did well last night....


Set up the goal and blocked one off the line like.
Title: Re: Cuco Martina
Post by: gizzblue on February 02, 2018, 01:52:43 AM
Let's start off by saying I am not trying to start off a pro-Cuco Martina thread. However, I thought he had one of his better games last night and I have a theory about this.

The reason, in short, is the return of Coleman.

Why? I 100% believe that when a player is "weak" or "young and unproven" in a position, you tend to get the player/s next to him covering. Unfortunately for us, we have had 2 cases of this on both sides of defence, Martina and Kenny. Both left and right centre-backs have been or should have pushed wide to help them out, causing gaps in our defence. The wingers have been dropping deep just to cover for both of them also which will be to the detriment of our attack.

Now that Coleman is back, the right wing will not be overly worried and the right-sided centre-back will trust whats going on to the right of him too.

In turn, this means that only the left side will cover as they have been and Martina will get allot more protection because there will be less space in the middle for the centre-backs to worry about.

If Coleman stays fit then the rest is history. Just wait until we get Baines back as well! Bliss.
I'm a big critic of Coco but he deffo had his best game by far last night .
Long may his improvement continue till old Bainsey is back anyway 😅
Title: Re: Cuco Martina
Post by: Polledreng on February 02, 2018, 01:53:38 AM

Just wait until we get Baines back as well! Bliss.
Great post until this. Baines has been a great servant and a great player, but I'm afraid we will never see the old Baines Again. Seems like his legs are getting old and his mind is on more serious matters than football
Title: Re: Cuco Martina
Post by: gizzblue on February 02, 2018, 03:45:53 AM
Great post until this. Baines has been a great servant and a great player, but I'm afraid we will never see the old Baines Again. Seems like his legs are getting old and his mind is on more serious matters than football
Still world's better than Coco (despite playing well last night)he's nowhere near Baines even now.
Title: Re: Cuco Martina
Post by: Shogun on February 02, 2018, 03:50:36 AM
Had a good game and is still absolutely nowhere near good enough for us.
Title: Re: Cuco Martina
Post by: TheRam on February 02, 2018, 05:17:52 AM
He's been sound over the last few weeks.

He is what he is.
Title: Re: Cuco Martina
Post by: Macca77 on February 13, 2018, 06:29:05 PM
https://twitter.com/GwladysStViews/status/963135507126521858
Title: Re: Cuco Martina
Post by: Goaljira on February 14, 2018, 02:21:57 AM
He's been sound over the last few weeks.

He is what he is.

Had a discussion with an arl arse in the Top Balcony on Saturday (Who coincidently disappeared 10 mins before h/t and never returned) who wasn't having that i wasnt agreeing with him and that he wasnt he worst full back we've ever had.

I said Gary Naysmith, Terry Phelan and Pistone were borderline as bad as him in their natural positions, let alone if they were asked to play right back.

All he did until he disappeared was moan and make 'uh oh' noises anytime the ball went near Mangala or call Niasse shite.  It was almosy like there was a pattern to it....
Title: Re: Cuco Martina
Post by: Thornton_19 on February 14, 2018, 04:36:07 AM
It's not his fault he is not good enough to be our first team LB let alone RB. He works hard, he just lacks quality.
I can forgive a lack of quality for a player who works hard and this lad does.
Title: Re: Cuco Martina
Post by: Lxxx on February 14, 2018, 04:40:53 AM
To be fair to him hes getting more comfortable in that position every passing week.
Title: Re: Cuco Martina
Post by: Ridge on February 14, 2018, 06:33:26 AM
He came in as a squad player, nobody thought we were signing Cafu. Only 4 players have started more games, only 2 have more assists, only Gueye has averaged more passes and tackles per game, only Keane averages more interceptions per game. That is above expectations and at the same time a bit depressing.

He's rarely been wanting for effort when others around him have been. I'd rather have Cuco as a squad player than some of the other players we paid 20m+ with intention of going into first team.

I'd expect a first team left back signing to happen in summer, and I'd be hoping we develop a youth player to challenge him. At the moment we have neither and Baines isn't getting any younger or more energetic. Cuco is an experienced player with his best few years ahead of him, can fill in on both sides and could probably make a better go at centre back if things went tits up.

I don't think long term you'd want him to be here, but there's quite a few you'd replace or move on before him and he represents continuity more than most. In terms of fee, wages, value for money, he's been one of the better bits of business.
Title: Re: Cuco Martina
Post by: bogie on February 14, 2018, 07:00:06 AM
if he was your cover (3rd choice RB RWB LB LWB CB (would be 5th/6th for that ) and DM that he like jags has played a bit then yes having him about is all good and well but it really need to be just that
Title: Re: Cuco Martina
Post by: BlueMaquis on February 14, 2018, 12:50:37 PM
Great post until this. Baines has been a great servant and a great player, but I'm afraid we will never see the old Baines Again. Seems like his legs are getting old and his mind is on more serious matters than football

Looks that way

(https://s9.postimg.org/7cjo1r59b/ff1dc69dfd6f7df5f68ad0dc125e6ede.jpg)
Title: Re: Cuco Martina
Post by: Paddockoldie on February 14, 2018, 01:58:35 PM
He's been training to use his left foot for more than standing on. He actually crossed twice with his left which was a noticeable change. Put one on Niasse's head for the goal. Best game he's had for us.