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Title: [News]Allardyce: Tosun can't cope with cold English weather
Post by: Everton News on February 12, 2018, 11:57:34 PM
Allardyce: Tosun can't cope with cold English weather

Everton boss Sam Allardyce reckons that Cenk Tosun - who lived in Frankfurt where temperatures regularly hit freezing in January - can't cope with the cold English weather and is struggling to adapt to the Premier League.

Source: Allardyce: Tosun can't cope with cold English weather (https://www.nsno.co.uk/everton-news/2018/02/allardyce-tosun-cant-cope-cold-english-weather/)
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: Tosun can't cope with cold English weather
Post by: TheTone on February 12, 2018, 11:59:13 PM
 :snigger:
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: Tosun can't cope with cold English weather
Post by: gizzblue on February 13, 2018, 12:02:15 AM
Pahahahahaha 😅😅...the bullshit Sam spouts knows no bounds .
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: Tosun can't cope with cold English weather
Post by: Simon Paul on February 13, 2018, 12:02:50 AM
he's actually come to a warmer place!  hahahaha!

https://twitter.com/Syzlak_/status/963110634752634880
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: Tosun can't cope with cold English weather
Post by: Ross on February 13, 2018, 12:17:10 AM
I get the impression Allardyce thinks of scenes from Indiana Jones when he thinks of Istanbul, thousands of fellas running round with Fezs on carrying wicker baskets on their backs in the baking sun.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: Tosun can't cope with cold English weather
Post by: Bigstickytoffee on February 13, 2018, 12:26:15 AM
I am beginning to really hate this guy.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: Tosun can't cope with cold English weather
Post by: Evertonian in NC on February 13, 2018, 12:32:24 AM
I get the impression Allardyce thinks of scenes from Indiana Jones when he thinks of Istanbul, thousands of fellas running round with Fezs on carrying wicker baskets on their backs in the baking sun.

Yes, can we please gin this into a racism thing, so we can fuck him off?

/I think he's more generally ignorant than maliciously ignorant, so this is a joke (mostly)
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: Tosun can't cope with cold English weather
Post by: bacon sarnie on February 13, 2018, 12:39:51 AM
Are both of them still here?
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: Tosun can't cope with cold English weather
Post by: Outworlder47 on February 13, 2018, 12:50:55 AM
Let's compare, shall we:
Besiktas 2016-17: Scored 24 in 47 in all comps. From December through February, 11 in 14 (one CL match in Ukraine, one EL match in Israel).
Besiktas 2015-16: Scored 17 in 43. Dec-Feb, 8 in 17. Only started the first two, and the final league matches, plus the Turkish cup.
Besiktas 2014-15: Scored 9 in 28. Dec-Feb, 6 in 8. Had a foot injury over the new year, so he missed half the possible games.

At least recently, the "can't cope with cold weather" is decidedly untrue.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: Tosun can't cope with cold English weather
Post by: youngysenior on February 13, 2018, 12:55:13 AM
He won't cope with the weather if he his sat on his arse watching instead of playing. 😔😔😔
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: Tosun can't cope with cold English weather
Post by: AllyBlue14 on February 13, 2018, 12:57:43 AM
Cue ludicrous over-reactions.

I bet he says half of this shit just to wind people up. Other than 'I'm leaving Everton', there is not one thing he can say without people having a stick up their arse about it.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: Tosun can't cope with cold English weather
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on February 13, 2018, 01:21:57 AM
He never used to bother me, didn't even mind him being manager as long as we stayed up and we could re-group,but since the Arsenal team selection i hate everything that comes out of his chomp hole...
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: Tosun can't cope with cold English weather
Post by: Tony Clifton on February 13, 2018, 01:33:37 AM
What a season this has turned out to be, you just couldn't make this shit up.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: Tosun can't cope with cold English weather
Post by: gizzblue on February 13, 2018, 01:33:42 AM
He'd find it warmer if he was allowed to run around a bit 😆😆.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: Tosun can't cope with cold English weather
Post by: Alanvideo on February 13, 2018, 01:35:20 AM
He never used to bother me, didn't even mind him being manager as long as we stayed up and we could re-group,but since the Arsenal team selection i hate everything that comes out of his chomp hole...
.................I'm inclined to agree with you about the Arse team selection . Also my car was covered in ice this morning even though I sprayed it with pre-ice stuff and I'm blaming SA for that. Twat . :wag:
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: Tosun can't cope with cold English weather
Post by: BlueForYou on February 13, 2018, 01:56:09 AM
Struggling to adapt to the Premier League - he won't, if he's not playing

"No doubting his goalscoring ability" - interesting

Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: Tosun can't cope with cold English weather
Post by: blargins on February 13, 2018, 02:19:50 AM
To be honest, I could never cope with the cold and damp English weather either. I think that's what makes it the worst. The damp. You can have a dry cold that might be colder, but it's never as bad as a damp cold.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: Tosun can't cope with cold English weather
Post by: eugene on February 13, 2018, 02:28:51 AM
To be honest, I could never cope with the cold and damp English weather either. I think that's what makes it the worst. The damp. You can have a dry cold that might be colder, but it's never as bad as a damp cold.
Itís a fucking disgrace is what it is, wake up Mosh and stop this squandering of money, get back to basics, research players, stop the panic buying but most of all tell Sam to shut the fuck up or ship out!
We where better off under Moyes with fuck all looking forward to see if we would sign something close season,
Itís just wanton mismanagement
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: Tosun can't cope with cold English weather
Post by: Macca77 on February 13, 2018, 02:31:04 AM
Hows he gonna cope when we go to Stoke in a few weeks

#PrayforCenk
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: Tosun can't cope with cold English weather
Post by: Ell Capitan on February 13, 2018, 03:03:07 AM
The article doesn't include the full quotes, which provide a bit more context:

Quote
ĎIt will be important for him to train really, really hard particularly when you are walking out and it is chucking it down with rain.

ĎIt is not that he is not used to it but it is freezing cold. When you are on the grass in short sleeves and shorts and a pair of boots players donít want to stop training and donít want to stop playing football, in fact we have to stop them and say you have done enough lads. ĎThey say: ďLets have another 10-15 minutes.Ē That is what you get when you get out in the right climate.í

My read on that is that Tosun is being a bit of a pussy when it comes to training in shitty conditions. Which would line up with what @Django (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4371)'s source said about Tosun being a joke in training.

But no, let's all dump on Allardyce instead. Much more fun.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: Tosun can't cope with cold English weather
Post by: bigmanbob on February 13, 2018, 03:27:09 AM
The article doesn't include the full quotes, which provide a bit more context:

My read on that is that Tosun is being a bit of a pussy when it comes to training in shitty conditions. Which would line up with what @Django (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4371)'s source said about Tosun being a joke in training.

But no, let's all dump on Allardyce instead. Much more fun.
I'd quite happily dump on Allardyce
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: Tosun can't cope with cold English weather
Post by: SANA_DR0 on February 13, 2018, 03:59:07 AM
for some reason, with Koeman i was ok, i never swore at him, or got to the point where i have random expletives in my head whenever i saw/heard his name.

but with Sam.,, everything  he says makes me cuss out loud.


i just wanted to explain before i said

fuck off you fucking cunt.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: Tosun can't cope with cold English weather
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on February 13, 2018, 04:14:06 AM
Yep, Iíve heard from a mate who is usually pretty clued up with matters at the club that Tosun has been swanning around in training, acting like the big I am. He was worshipped at Beşiktaş and could do what he wanted. Heís struggling here, just being one of the lads and having to fight for his place.

So Allardyce would do anything to keep hold of this dream job heís blagged...yet heís keeping a worldly player of the team? Why?
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: Tosun can't cope with cold English weather
Post by: UnsyisaRhino on February 13, 2018, 04:54:02 AM
Yep, Iíve heard from a mate who is usually pretty clued up with matters at the club that Tosun has been swanning around in training, acting like the big I am. He was worshipped at Beşiktaş and could do what he wanted. Heís struggling here, just being one of the lads and having to fight for his place.

So Allardyce would do anything to keep hold of this dream job heís blagged...yet heís keeping a worldly player of the team? Why?

He wouldn't be playing niasse if the lad was showing enough to present himself as a genuine alternative
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: Tosun can't cope with cold English weather
Post by: Shropshire Blue on February 13, 2018, 04:56:27 AM
Allardyce makes a rod for his own back by saying considerably more in press conferences etc than any other manager I can remember here. Given he's disliked by so many it gives them ammunition whatever he says.
He'd be better to do like most other managers - say as little as possible in as few a words as possible. Telling us what is happening and why he thinks it's right or wrong is the wrong approach?
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: Tosun can't cope with cold English weather
Post by: bluenuck on February 13, 2018, 06:00:30 AM
To be honest, I could never cope with the cold and damp English weather either. I think that's what makes it the worst. The damp. You can have a dry cold that might be colder, but it's never as bad as a damp cold.

This is actually true.

In Vancouver(on the coast) -5 can feel like -15. But in Saskatoon(inland) -5 can feel like +5.

But I can't believe this is actually coming from sam as an excuse.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: Tosun can't cope with cold English weather
Post by: Dr. Sponge on February 13, 2018, 06:01:10 AM
So... after the debacle of Klassen and Sandro effectively ruining our season, we've spent a further 27 million of our pounds on another player that's a long way from being ready for the league?
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: Tosun can't cope with cold English weather
Post by: bacon sarnie on February 13, 2018, 06:16:32 AM
To be honest, I could never cope with the cold and damp English weather either. I think that's what makes it the worst. The damp. You can have a dry cold that might be colder, but it's never as bad as a damp cold.

Cold is cold when you're locked out in yer skivvies but he's supposed to be a footballer!

#pussiesRus
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: Tosun can't cope with cold English weather
Post by: Hesmenos on February 13, 2018, 01:14:38 PM
Cold and wet feels different when you are at home with your family and mates around you. Its harder to deal with when you are in a foreign country with no friends, going back to an empty house and possibly doubting your career choice.

As for what Sam said, I see nothing wrong with it. The rumours are out in the press about Tosun's lack of effort in training. He's defending his player. I thought that was something we all wanted to see him do.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: Tosun can't cope with cold English weather
Post by: Juanito on February 13, 2018, 01:20:44 PM
So... after the debacle of Klassen and Sandro effectively ruining our season, we've spent a further 27 million of our pounds on another player that's a long way from being ready for the league?

Look at Keane. Doesnít look ready does he and he got into the England squad on last seasons premiership performances. Itís our squad and team that is not ready, our managment, not the players.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: Tosun can't cope with cold English weather
Post by: Macca77 on February 13, 2018, 01:58:33 PM
Does he not have some under armour gear, gloves and a snood?
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: Tosun can't cope with cold English weather
Post by: Bally on February 13, 2018, 02:20:23 PM
I'd quite happily dump on Allardyce
He prefers to be lubed up in gravy and pissed on
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: Tosun can't cope with cold English weather
Post by: Macca77 on February 13, 2018, 02:23:36 PM
He prefers to be lubed up in gravy and pissed on

Oooh sounds so erotic
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: Tosun can't cope with cold English weather
Post by: BlueForYou on February 13, 2018, 03:33:15 PM
When Tosun signed, he said that Allardyce was the reason he joined Everton

Allardyce quoted that value for money, Tosun was the number one striker in Europe


One month later........................ .............
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: Tosun can't cope with cold English weather
Post by: SANA_DR0 on February 13, 2018, 04:30:21 PM
Tosun, from the looks of his European goals is a pretty good finisher, possibly the best finisher in our squad (sorry Niasse)

I've never seen Tosun play a whole match, all i've caught is highlights, so i dont know if he is the sort of player to track back and put the defense under pressure (ala Niasse and DCL)

But if he is going to be alone upfront (as part of a 3) Why does he need to track back? He's a finisher, let him be in the position we have bought him for. Every striker doesn't need to track back, why waste time tracking back, then be out of energy when u get the ball, cos you ran back 50 yards..
Also goes for training,, who cares he doesnt put in 100% give the lad some confidence, stick him in the team (preferably someone with him like DCL, who can do the work)
What does Sam want Tosun to do in training? run like a maniac? or get Tosun to understand the long ball game?
Tosun has shown some great touches, he has the vision to create, we need him to play but on his own upfront he's going to be shit.

It sucks that in 'modern football'  every player is supposed to put in a massive shift, we have had players who have not put in a shift all  season and still get picked in the squad.

so why cant he do that to Tosun? or Vlasic? 

One of his last interviews was on building for next season... you cant do that by playin the same players that have continued to under perform.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: Tosun can't cope with cold English weather
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on February 13, 2018, 04:32:48 PM
he also said we would be judged on his 1st signing and if he gets it wrong then the fans will have no trust in him along with the board etc,  he said he will be "knackered" ,   some of the press need to ask this question
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: Tosun can't cope with cold English weather
Post by: Lxxx on February 13, 2018, 04:37:07 PM
I wonder if he understands scouse as I can't imagine Rooney would let him waltz around in training if he thinks he's the big man when one of the best players England has ever produced is grafting away next to him.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: Tosun can't cope with cold English weather
Post by: bigmanbob on February 13, 2018, 11:35:58 PM
Pretty sure "Oi bollocks, pull yer finger out yer arse" can be universally understood
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: Tosun can't cope with cold English weather
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on February 13, 2018, 11:57:20 PM
He prefers to be lubed up in gravy and pissed on
Had to stop for a wank there...thanks.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: Tosun can't cope with cold English weather
Post by: Bally on February 14, 2018, 04:40:13 AM
Had to stop for a wank there...thanks.
I hope you weren't on the bus
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: Tosun can't cope with cold English weather
Post by: Redartin on February 14, 2018, 02:42:58 PM
To be honest, I could never cope with the cold and damp English weather either. I think that's what makes it the worst. The damp. You can have a dry cold that might be colder, but it's never as bad as a damp cold.
If you could play at left back they'd probably sign you.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: Tosun can't cope with cold English weather
Post by: blargins on February 14, 2018, 05:16:31 PM
If you could play at left back they'd probably sign you.

Be a great job to have then. Get paid a ton of money to not do anything. I'd be shit in training so would never get picked. Win win.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: Tosun can't cope with cold English weather
Post by: Toddacelli on February 14, 2018, 05:25:29 PM
He'd find it warmer if he was allowed to run around a bit 😆😆.

Bastard - I was going to say this!  :)
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: Tosun can't cope with cold English weather
Post by: Toddacelli on February 14, 2018, 05:29:40 PM
Look at Keane. Doesnít look ready does he and he got into the England squad on last seasons premiership performances. Itís our squad and team that is not ready, our managment, not the players.

I think this is definitely a big part of the picture. I know it is the players who get out there and do the job but when it comes to the top of any sport it is those minute percentage changes that make the difference between gold/relegation/trophies etc
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: Tosun can't cope with cold English weather
Post by: brap2 on February 14, 2018, 06:36:21 PM
I hope you weren't on the bus

He was driving it
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: Tosun can't cope with cold English weather
Post by: MmmblueBernard on February 14, 2018, 06:37:21 PM
IF (and its a big IF) Tosun is giving it the big 'I am" in training then yes he does need putting in order.

Fundamentally something is wrong if Niasse is starting ahead of him and he's fit.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: Tosun can't cope with cold English weather
Post by: Redartin on February 14, 2018, 08:09:48 PM
He was driving it
a bus wanker