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Title: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: Bluedylan on February 15, 2018, 09:43:02 PM
Genuine question, to gauge the feelings of the '15 people on the internet'...
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: BlueForYou on February 15, 2018, 09:58:37 PM
Genuine answer: Depends on who the new gaffer is

In the meantime, 7th and Sam - we're back in business!
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: Mac934 on February 15, 2018, 10:02:18 PM
7th and a new manager would be better. But, 10th and a new manager as per vote. Regroup sort the mess out properly and start again with a solid base to challenge better.
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: Macca77 on February 15, 2018, 10:04:29 PM
I couldn't cope with him here next season
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: BlueForYou on February 15, 2018, 10:05:45 PM
Start coping - it's better than the alternative
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: blueToffee on February 15, 2018, 10:08:30 PM
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Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: Danny on February 15, 2018, 10:09:18 PM
After how it's been so far I think there would be a decent chance of him getting sacked despite finishing 7th, we'll need to put together some incredible form between now and the end of May for him to be kept on.
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: Evertonian in NC on February 15, 2018, 10:09:21 PM
That's easy.  You'd have to get to around 16th before I'd equivocate.
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: Jimmywhack on February 15, 2018, 10:45:37 PM
Talk of a new contract when we are safe

Hope it's bollocks like
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: Macca77 on February 15, 2018, 10:48:36 PM
Talk of a new contract when we are safe

Hope it's bollocks like

It fucking better be
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: Alanvideo on February 15, 2018, 10:56:47 PM
It's a moot point. I'm convinced SA will be gone in the summer wherever we finish. 
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: Risky on February 15, 2018, 10:58:06 PM
Personally I reckon he'll still be here next season if we finish 10th. I'm not sure where the optimism that he's likely to be gone comes from.
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: Lxxx on February 15, 2018, 10:59:53 PM
Start coping - it's better than the alternative

Which is?
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on February 15, 2018, 11:00:06 PM
most would much rather fail than be a success with someone they don't like
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: Lxxx on February 15, 2018, 11:00:40 PM
most would much rather fail than be a success with someone they don't like

Yawn.
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: Shropshire Blue on February 15, 2018, 11:04:34 PM
After how it's been so far I think there would be a decent chance of him getting sacked despite finishing 7th, we'll need to put together some incredible form between now and the end of May for him to be kept on.
The people who do the 'hiring and firing' will look at the overall situation come summer and compare it with the situation when Koeman left. They have the knowledge of what goes on behind the scenes whereas we really only see the 90mins on the field so they will judge how far we have moved on irrespective of whether we are seeing it at games yet. If they see progress and Sam 'sells' them a plan that looks credible and in line with their vision then I suppose they may offer him a longer contract?
If they don't see sufficient progress then I suppose it's goodbye?
If I was neutral I'd be curious to see what he could do with financial resources he's never had before rather than being judged on trophies won when competing with teams who spend more on one player than he's probably ever had to spend on a whole team.
I'd feel quite happy seeing that pan out but just wish it was somewhere else where it was proved or disproved!
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: Jimmywhack on February 15, 2018, 11:11:10 PM
There's a few rumours of kenwright stepping aside for someone by the end of March. If he is stepping aside for usmanov like the rumours say I can't possibly imagine Allardyce and Walsh being here

Can't see anyone entrusting Walsh with money again and you'd like to think we can get a forward thinking manager

A lot of ifs and buts.

For me Id like 7th, thank Sam for his effort and show him and Walsh the door
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: Lxxx on February 15, 2018, 11:12:01 PM
The man is an embarrassment every time he opens his mouth. He takes credit for any positives and throw the players under the bus when it suits. He has no humility, has an arrogance bordering on some kind of narcissistic personality disorder and his ideas on football belong in the last century. I'd just like my club to be represented by someone with a bit more class and forward thinking about them but clearly that's just my opinion, others will have their own.
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: Thornton_19 on February 15, 2018, 11:32:11 PM
He isn't the person to develop the abundance of quality youngsters we have on the cusp of the first team.
I think regardless of position at the end of the season he needs to be moved on. We need to look at the next 5/10 years to develop a sustained success, not the next 12 months in hoping to maybe get in Europe and have a cup run.

He is not the man for long term team building. In fact I feel he is so short term, it could do a lot of damage to us him being here another 12 months.
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: School of Science on February 15, 2018, 11:33:39 PM
Eleventh new manager and DOF.
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: Waltzer on February 15, 2018, 11:35:38 PM
I think regardless of league position the fans need to start voicing their disapproval at games before the end of the season to make sure its crystal clear we need a fresh start. Our exec team need to act quickly in removing and installing a new manager asap so we don't have another farcical situation. I hope the Fonseca rumours are true and hes in place the day after the final game of the season
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: Lxxx on February 15, 2018, 11:40:33 PM
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Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: Lxxx on February 15, 2018, 11:41:23 PM
I think regardless of league position the fans need to start voicing their disapproval at games before the end of the season to make sure its crystal clear we need a fresh start. Our exec team need to act quickly in removing and installing a new manager asap so we don't have another farcical situation. I hope the Fonseca rumours are true and hes in place the day after the final game of the season

If he came on as sub we could always boo him maybe?
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: kramer0 on February 15, 2018, 11:41:34 PM
Talk of a new contract when we are safe

Hope it's bollocks like

Where is that from, if you don't mind me asking?

I haven't had time for anything but NSNO this week.
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: Ross on February 15, 2018, 11:59:19 PM
Canít see him going anywhere but I can imagine thereís a clause in his contract that triggers an extension if he gets us into Europe this season.
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on February 16, 2018, 12:03:05 AM
Yawn.

Isn't that exactly what we are voting on?
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on February 16, 2018, 12:05:25 AM
I think regardless of league position the fans need to start voicing their disapproval at games before the end of the season to make sure its crystal clear we need a fresh start. Our exec team need to act quickly in removing and installing a new manager asap so we don't have another farcical situation. I hope the Fonseca rumours are true and hes in place the day after the final game of the season

Yep let's boo and protest regardless of how we do.

Fucking fans who put up with kenwrights bullshit should now protest someone regardless of the job they do
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: TheRam on February 16, 2018, 12:19:46 AM
Isn't that exactly what we are voting on?

No.

1. 7th isn't successful.

2. People are thinking about the bigger picture.
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: brap2 on February 16, 2018, 12:41:02 AM
Canít see him going anywhere but I can imagine thereís a clause in his contract that triggers an extension if he gets us into Europe this season.

Donít say this please
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: BlueForYou on February 16, 2018, 01:02:05 AM
For Lxxx: The alternative to coping - not coping/suicide

It's better to cope
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: Bob Sacamano on February 16, 2018, 01:03:30 AM
10th. Not even a challenging question.
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: Cereal Killer on February 16, 2018, 01:07:02 AM
I can't stand Allardyce, he's shit and not for us, but in terms of this poll

Rather 7th

Bigger problems higher up than the manager need resolving first and sooner

We need an actual DoF who knows what they're doing to be in control of transfers in the summer, not letting Walsh piss away another 100m on players Sam fancies.

Would be good if the DoF was in place long before the summer though so they can get a feel for the club, the players, what we need etc

They'll dictate the players we go for, not Sam, and if they don't think he can get the right performances out of them (more than likely not) then we can get rid, at least there would be hopefully more of a long term plan in place

Whether we get a new manager or not, next season will be another write off if Walsh is still here
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: Macca77 on February 16, 2018, 01:27:23 AM
The thought of him still being here next week makes me sick
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: Gash on February 16, 2018, 01:35:47 AM
Giving him an 18 month deal pretty much finished off Moshiri's 'window of opportunity' that he spoke of, it's such a short term option and I don't see extending it as an option either as he's not and never has been a manager for a club with top 6 ambitions and don't mention Bolton it's been a long time since then. He's here for a one last pay day, we clearly didn't want him (allowing for the pursuit of Silva) judging by his comments about not getting a good vibe and the way he spoke before he joined he was neither up nor down about taking the job either. That's been one of the problems for me, I've never believed he wants to be here or is totally committed to it.

Happily get rid in the summer, get a new manager in on 1st June and give everyone a clean slate. I said before that big turnovers of squad in one window never work and I've never liked it and so we've proved it again. Get a new manager in, press the reset button and start the project from the beginning again instead of constantly having to put a plaster over things. We've gone from everyone sitting up and taking notice at the start of the summer to pissing themselves at the mess that's been made since then.
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: bacon sarnie on February 16, 2018, 02:02:12 AM
I reckon Allardyce would love it if Everton finished one point above relegation especially winning that point last game of the season so he can polish his crown and wear it for the media love-in....the narcissistic bollock.
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: Goaljira on February 16, 2018, 02:49:15 AM
Giving him an 18 month deal pretty much finished off Moshiri's 'window of opportunity' that he spoke of, it's such a short term option and I don't see extending it as an option either as he's not and never has been a manager for a club with top 6 ambitions and don't mention Bolton it's been a long time since then. He's here for a one last pay day, we clearly didn't want him (allowing for the pursuit of Silva) judging by his comments about not getting a good vibe and the way he spoke before he joined he was neither up nor down about taking the job either. That's been one of the problems for me, I've never believed he wants to be here or is totally committed to it.

Happily get rid in the summer, get a new manager in on 1st June and give everyone a clean slate. I said before that big turnovers of squad in one window never work and I've never liked it and so we've proved it again. Get a new manager in, press the reset button and start the project from the beginning again instead of constantly having to put a plaster over things. We've gone from everyone sitting up and taking notice at the start of the summer to pissing themselves at the mess that's been made since then.

The club top brass didnt want him.
The fans didnt want him.
He didn't feel wanted.
Half the squad don't feel wanted.
The rest of the squad know he's not here long term.

No wonder its not been all sunshine and lollipops.
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: van der Meyde on February 16, 2018, 02:53:03 AM
@Cereal Killer (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4774) has nailed pretty much everything I would have said there.
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: Heisenberg on February 16, 2018, 03:36:06 AM
Id take 7th and the club still getting rid of him. And if they didn't it would just be another for the list incompetence and not really knowing what they're doing since moshiri came in
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: Audrey Horne on February 16, 2018, 03:49:44 AM
Would rather finish 16th and get rid than 7th and him still being here
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: toffee_scot on February 16, 2018, 04:20:55 AM
I want Everton to finish as high up the table as possible, even if the manager is the footballing antichrist,

If the board had any ambition to actually challenge the current top 6, then they would come up with a good long term strategy with a good footballing structure in place including a good DOF and manager. Otherwise if they keep Allardyce & Walsh and sweep problems under the carpet then that tells me Moshiri and co are not up to the task of progressing Everton and we either accept the fact that we are just another run of the mill football club making up the numbers in the Premier League or we make it known that we are not happy with the regime in charge and demand change until a new more competent regime can take over.
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: Shropshire Blue on February 16, 2018, 04:35:08 AM
Like or hate Sam I don't think there is any doubt he will have sorted out a lot of the shit left behind by Koeman.
Whether he stays or whether someone else comes in there will be a clear structure and everyone will be singing off the same hymn sheet. Whether we like that hymn sheet or not doesn't matter because there is something organised to build or to change in an organised fashion.
This forum has been hyper critical of Bill, Moshiri, Elstone,  Walsh, players,  tactics, ground planning, transfer policies and I'm sure you can think of others.
Obviously it comes as a disappointment to some and a satisfaction to others that Sam hasn't sorted it all out in 10 weeks I still bet he leaves us better than he found us.
Again,  not a defence of him, but how do you recruit a top manager when the first 12 months or more of the job is basically shovelling shit left behind by others.
I can't be arsed checking now but how long has it taken Man City to get from where they were when the money arrived to where they are now? With stricter financial rules it will take us that  long and more besides.
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: fubarruk on February 16, 2018, 04:50:23 AM
I'd take 17th if it meant getting that scrotum out of our club
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: bogie on February 16, 2018, 04:58:52 AM
looking at that think them running this might want to think about having it for only Everton fans

but it will not mater 7th is in the bag
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: bogie on February 16, 2018, 05:03:12 AM
I reckon Allardyce would love it if Everton finished one point above relegation especially winning that point last game of the season so he can polish his crown and wear it for the media love-in....the narcissistic bollock.

and I reckon your talking shit that even you don't believe but hey
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: Paddockoldie on February 16, 2018, 05:10:20 AM
He's not taking us anywhere so if he stays we'd have been better under Moyes. At least he got us playing some decent football and we could defend too. If we are actually ambitious we need to find someone who is also but there's the rub.
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: Gash on February 16, 2018, 05:15:22 AM
looking at that think them running this might want to think about having it for only Everton fans

Not to go all "grammar police" but like most of your posts I've absolutely no idea what this is meant to say?
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: Ell Capitan on February 16, 2018, 05:23:46 AM
Not to go all "grammar police" but like most of your posts I've absolutely no idea what this is meant to say?

I think heís implying that people who voted for 10th are not Everton fans.

Itís comedic genius is what it is.
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: bogie on February 16, 2018, 05:37:34 AM
Not to go all "grammar police" but like most of your posts I've absolutely no idea what this is meant to say?

that's your problem not mine I on the other hand know what you trying to say and do so sad really
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: Nick on February 16, 2018, 07:02:45 AM
Everton will never finish the season in 7th place with Big Sam.

I know I'm not the most optimistic person in life, but we're proper screwed at the moment.

Second rate manager, and a second rate squad (bar literally one or two decent players/prospects).

As things stand, I'm struggling to think of what players would want to sign for us.  Big Sam isn't a pull for established premier league quality players, the only people willing to sign are players who can't get in their first teams, or are from other leagues in the hope that they can raise their profile and move to another club.

It's not all Allardyce's fault though.  The club was being run into the ground before he arrived.  Koeman's transfer history is the stuff of nightmares, as was his management of the players.

An average manager has inherited an average club and has somehow made us even more average.

Now for the optimism...

I'll admit, I didn't see the Palace game so not sure if we have genuinely turned a corner, or just managed to beat a more average team than ourselves.  However, I'll give Sam and the team the benefit of the doubt for now.  Plus we have a run of games to our advantage until City and Liverpool tear us a new one.  It's a chance for some points, although we're away for a few of those matches.

Finish the season in the top half...just.  Somehow make some funds available for some decent players.  Not has-beens, or not good enough for other clubs, or unknowns from other leagues.  Get rid of the crap, make a loss if we have to.  Move on, it's done and dusted.

Win the league next season :)

Ok, so it's pushing it for a definition of optimism, but it's a blueprint in the works.

Winning the league was obviously just put there to get your attention, but the point remains; improve the squad with real quality and surely things will improve.

I'm not sure how we do that with Big Sam though.  The man is a busted flush.

[/optimism]
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: Dr. Sponge on February 16, 2018, 07:09:13 AM
@bogie you ok for crayons little man?

If we put together a good run between now and the end of the season, then on the face of it he'd deserve the chance to take another season.

Personally I don't think Allardyce is the answer, but I don't think he's the problem either. It's further up the chain where things need changing, otherwise the new manager will have the same issues all over again. Obviously I mean Walsh and others at that level.

Anyway, I can't work out how to vote on Tapatalk, but no I wouldn't cut my nose off to spite my face. I'll always want us to finish as high as we can.
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: cantoffee on February 16, 2018, 08:28:52 AM
7th.

I think it's better for the club for us to finish as high as possible.

If he's still here and gets us to 7th again and his contract is up that's fine. It wouldn't be great but we would then have three consecutive 7th place finishes, more experience in Europe and maybe a bit more pull as a result.

Think as another poster said, we need a DOF who can build a squad regardless of the manager and that's more important long term than whether or not Sam is here for another 12 months.
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: Ramjam on February 16, 2018, 08:54:48 AM
Canít imagine BFS leading us out at BMD for the first game at the waterfront. After this season is secured, all out all change then push the peddle turn the wheel and off we go again to the next exciting chapter of our illustrious clubs adventure
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: BlueMaquis on February 16, 2018, 12:19:18 PM
For Lxxx: The alternative to coping - not coping/suicide

It's better to cope

Don't knock it if you haven't tried it
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: Mayor Farnum on February 16, 2018, 01:25:33 PM
Evertonians eh! Like we can be choosy as to who brings us success.
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: Polledreng on February 16, 2018, 01:58:29 PM
Still hasn't voted as I want 7 but no Sam
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: Macca77 on February 16, 2018, 02:04:31 PM
How about finish 8th, miss out on 7th by goal difference,  and Allardyce leaves with his nice little bonus less than 10 minutes after the last game of the season

Merry summer
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: Mick 1995 on February 16, 2018, 02:16:59 PM
Finish 7th, get into Europe.
Have a new DoF by the start of the transfer window.

Don't like the idea of getting a new manager and DoF in the same window - and i think Walsh has hurt the club more than Allardyce is financially.
There's no reason to doubt he can't get us top 7 next year as well.

But at that point it'd be clear it's as high as he can take us, we'd have had 3 years of Europe on the bounce (and i'd expect him to get us out of the group stages as well), we'll be able to look a bit higher than flavour of th emonth managers by then.
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: Toddacelli on February 16, 2018, 02:24:53 PM
Only voted for Sam because I cannot briong myself to vote for a lower league position and a worse season.

 :Sick:


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Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: Jamokachi on February 16, 2018, 02:33:48 PM
I'd take 10th and him gone. Shove it up your shitter if you think that makes me a poor fan. I think you're a poor fan accepting Allardyce as our manager.

(https://i.imgur.com/sB6giSr.gif)
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: Macca77 on February 16, 2018, 02:50:55 PM
I'd take 10th and him gone. Shove it up your shitter if you think that makes me a poor fan. I think you're a poor fan accepting Allardyce as our manager.

(https://i.imgur.com/sB6giSr.gif)

(https://media1.tenor.com/images/6c46839db6628bc22bf2b82a14144482/tenor.gif?itemid=7965371)

Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: BlueForYou on February 16, 2018, 02:57:04 PM
Alternative question:

7th and Allardyce

Or

Relegation and no Allardyce

Should sort the men from the boys
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: Cozzie on February 16, 2018, 02:58:58 PM
He could win us the league I would still want him gone.
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: Jamokachi on February 16, 2018, 03:01:34 PM
Alternative question:

7th and Allardyce

Or

Relegation and no Allardyce

Should sort the men from the boys

No, that's just stupid. A trained ape could avoid relegation with this squad. The original poll is realistic.
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: BlueForYou on February 16, 2018, 03:15:01 PM
Next season:

Win the league and keep Sam for three more years

Or

Relegation and hire a trained ape
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: Jamokachi on February 16, 2018, 03:17:25 PM
Stick to rhyming.
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: Lxxx on February 16, 2018, 03:21:16 PM
For Lxxx: The alternative to coping - not coping/suicide

It's better to cope

Bit of a thoughtless attempt at humour but if it makes you smile then just go with it. 
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: BlueForYou on February 16, 2018, 03:36:22 PM
Not humour, Mr - serious

Deadly serious - that's humour

Get on with that - got it?
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: TheRam on February 16, 2018, 03:39:12 PM
Not humour, Mr - serious

Deadly serious - that's humour

Get on with that - got it?

Stop ruining what is a very good discussion.
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: BlueForYou on February 16, 2018, 03:57:42 PM
It's called black humour - or are you gonna call that racist?

Yes, good discussion: Trained ape or Allardyce?
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: Ridge on February 16, 2018, 03:57:55 PM
I think the reality is that most managers could achieve better results.

But another manager and 7th or Allardyce and 13th wouldn't be much of a choice.
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: BlueForYou on February 16, 2018, 04:00:08 PM
But it would appear that most managers don't want to manage Everton
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: Lxxx on February 16, 2018, 04:03:43 PM
But it would appear that most managers don't want to manage Everton

Can you clarify 'most managers.'
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: Ridge on February 16, 2018, 04:07:38 PM
Earlier in the season, with good managers still in comps and our team failing in cups and league. And no window for months.

Now with our wallet, we could get nearly all except top 10-20 managers
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: plumber on February 16, 2018, 04:15:22 PM
Wow.  66% of fans prefer Everton to finish lower just because they don't like the manager. Nice.






Disclaimer: I'm not a perfect fan too. A little part of me want us to finish 12th and keep Sam just to see the meltdown on here ;)
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: TheRam on February 16, 2018, 04:26:41 PM
Wow.  66% of fans prefer Everton to finish lower just because they don't like the manager. Nice.






Disclaimer: I'm not a perfect fan too. A little part of me want us to finish 12th and keep Sam just to see the meltdown on here ;)

Wow, another one who's missed the point.
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: AllyBlue14 on February 16, 2018, 04:54:47 PM
7th for me. If the job were that easy, why were we in 19th when he agreed to join us?

We may have played some crap football and the bottom 14 of the league is pretty poor, but we were floundering and it was that run of games when he first joined that should see us staying up. And now we're maybe even pushing to finish 7th (not great from where we were last season but we did lose our 2 top scorers).

Yes, we're Everton and our ambitions should exceed Sam Allardyce, but that doesn't really mean anything when you haven't won anything for pushing 25 years. And reputation hasn't helped other fallen giants who are stuck in the Championship. Similarly, it didn't prevent us from falling to pretty much the bottom of the league.

Pisses me off that whatever happens, people will think he's done badly. It's the same sense of entitlement for which we hate other fans. I'm not saying I wouldn't rather bring in another manager with whom we can build a (positive) legacy for the next 10 years, but to downplay a top half finish and discredit Allardyce by saying any manager could have got us there is rewriting history.
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: TheRam on February 16, 2018, 04:57:34 PM
7th for me. If the job were that easy, why were we in 19th when he agreed to join us?

We may have played some crap football and the bottom 14 of the league is pretty poor, but we were floundering and it was that run of games when he first joined that should see us staying up. And now we're maybe even pushing to finish 7th (not great from where we were last season but we did lose our 2 top scorers).

Yes, we're Everton and our ambitions should exceed Sam Allardyce, but that doesn't really mean anything when you haven't won anything for pushing 25 years. And reputation hasn't helped other fallen giants who are stuck in the Championship. Similarly, it didn't prevent us from falling to pretty much the bottom of the league.

Pisses me off that whatever happens, people will think he's done badly. It's the same sense of entitlement for which we hate other fans. I'm not saying I wouldn't rather bring in another manager with whom we can build a (positive) legacy for the next 10 years, but to downplay a top half finish and discredit Allardyce by saying any manager could have got us there is rewriting history.

We weren't 19th when he took over.

Now that's re-writing history for you.

We were never near bottom of the league before he took over and we infact in a pretty decent position when after Unsworth left.
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: Macca77 on February 16, 2018, 05:01:46 PM
I've said it before and I'll say it again, we were never in danger of going down, yes we were awful but any half decent manager would be able to do what Allardyce has done since he took over.

What we need is a quality manager to come in and start again from scratch, an ambitious manager who will help us close the gap on the top 6 then top 4 and not someone who is happy with mid table mediocrity
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: gizzblue on February 16, 2018, 05:07:29 PM
It's the easiest relagation bonus he's never earned .... imho even Silva  attack no defence would have kept us safe .
I'm confident he will be gone at the end anyway ...as we will not get near seventh in reality ..too many lower league away games to shithouse at .
Tenth will do .


I must be a shit fan ... for wanting better in the long run and that ain't Sam's m.o. whatsoever.
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: Mick 1995 on February 16, 2018, 05:12:46 PM
First red line is Koeman going
Second red line is between Unsworth's West Ham & Allardyce's first match.

Koeman was relegation form/zone, Unsworth got us to within a win of top half, Allardyce did that and has maintained 9th basically (despite that 6 game streak without a win)
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: AllyBlue14 on February 16, 2018, 05:13:55 PM
We weren't 19th when he took over.

Now that's re-writing history for you.

We were never near bottom of the league before he took over and we infact in a pretty decent position when after Unsworth left.

Ok, I think it was 19th before the Watford game.

It would appear we were 16th after the Southampton defeat - 2 points off the drop zone, 4 points off the bottom - when we brought in Allardyce (he was already in before the West Ham game). I can't remember when we announced it, but we started that match in 17th place. So not 19th, but I'd hardly say it's a decent position or not near the bottom.
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: Macca77 on February 16, 2018, 05:16:22 PM
Ok, I think it was 19th before the Watford game.

It would appear we were 16th after the Southampton defeat - 2 points off the drop zone, 4 points off the bottom - when we brought in Allardyce (he was already in before the West Ham game). I can't remember when we announced it, but we started that match in 17th place. So not 19th, but I'd hardly say it's a decent position or not near the bottom.

Unsworth was manager when we played West Ham, we were 13th when Allardyce took over
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: plumber on February 16, 2018, 05:17:42 PM
Wow, another one who's missed the point.

Nah. The point is too big, simple and obvious to miss.
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: Ross on February 16, 2018, 05:18:31 PM
Oh here we go again giving Allardyce praise for the West Ham game despite the rotund narcissist even admitting himself it was nothing to do with him and the fact heíd not taken a training season or picked the team or even signed a contract with the club.

Personally I prefer to give Unsworth credit for the Huddersfield result as Allardyce only had a day with the players prior to that and he didnít even change the team Unsworth picked to destroy West Ham 3 days earlier. 
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: AllyBlue14 on February 16, 2018, 05:19:56 PM
It's the easiest relagation bonus he's never earned .... imho even Silva  attack no defence would have kept us safe .
I'm confident he will be gone at the end anyway ...as we will not get near seventh in reality ..too many lower league away games to shithouse at .
Tenth will do .

I must be a shit fan ... for wanting better in the long run and that ain't Sam's m.o. whatsoever.

Everyone wants better, that's not in question. And if the right manager becomes available then we should try and go for him. But to just bin off Allardyce and then think managers are going to flock to us is ridiculous.

Silva may well have done well, but his record at Hull and now Watford haven't been hugely inspiring. Attack and no defence would have been an absolute disaster at the time for a team conceding at least 2 a game and relying on the much-maligned Niasse and Calvert-Lewin up front.
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: AllyBlue14 on February 16, 2018, 05:22:09 PM
Unsworth was manager when we played West Ham, we were 13th when Allardyce took over

Yeah, but we'd signed Allardyce before then, hadn't we? I'm not one of those that counts the West Ham win as one for Allardyce, but he was certainly at the club before the match.
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: gizzblue on February 16, 2018, 05:22:21 PM
Everyone wants better, that's not in question. And if the right manager becomes available then we should try and go for him. But to just bin off Allardyce and then think managers are going to flock to us is ridiculous.

Silva may well have done well, but his record at Hull and now Watford haven't been hugely inspiring. Attack and no defence would have been an absolute disaster at the time for a team conceding at least 2 a game and relying on the much-maligned Niasse and Calvert-Lewin up front.
Still relying on Niasse now though no?...despite a 20+ million pound buy .

I honestly don't see Sam wanting better just his money ....if he was building something he wouldn't start by tearing down players publicly imho...or he hasn't learned anything in two decades of management as most people progress in their lines of work ...Sams still putting out alleged fires ...so is he really progressing even in his own career?.
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: Macca77 on February 16, 2018, 05:24:10 PM
Yeah, but we'd signed Allardyce before then, hadn't we? I'm not one of those that counts the West Ham win as one for Allardyce, but he was certainly at the club before the match.

He was announced a few hours before the match
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: AllyBlue14 on February 16, 2018, 05:26:02 PM
Oh here we go again giving Allardyce praise for the West Ham game despite the rotund narcissist even admitting himself it was nothing to do with him and the fact heíd not taken a training season or picked the team or even signed a contract with the club.

Personally I prefer to give Unsworth credit for the Huddersfield result as Allardyce only had a day with the players prior to that and he didnít even change the team Unsworth picked to destroy West Ham 3 days earlier. 

Who's said that? If you're saying it was me, then you can get off your high horse.
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: AllyBlue14 on February 16, 2018, 05:32:08 PM
He was announced a few hours before the match

So yeah, we were 17th when he joined. Which in my book is 'near the bottom'. Maybe if we'd have waited until after that match, the board may have thought differently. But we were in horrendous shape at the time, hence they went for Allardyce. Given the dearth of options at the time, I'm not sure who else they could've brought in that would've 'guaranteed' safety.
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: Ross on February 16, 2018, 05:32:37 PM
Who's said that? If you're saying it was me, then you can get off your high horse.

Please amend all of the untruthful and misinformed parts of your previous posts and Iíll think about it.

http://www.evertonfc.com/content/history/players-and-managers/managers/sam-allardyce

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2746734-epl-table-2017-week-14-standings-after-wednesdays-premier-league-scores
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: bogie on February 16, 2018, 05:38:08 PM
funny how  things turn around I a thread something like this one a few weeks ago I posted that I would be happy with 8th or 7th if it did not take us into Europa league with the world cup and all this summer , and I got hammered on here by the same members that are now saying they would be happy with 10th

so for them saying they would be happy with 10th how can i believe that when it is clear that even yous don't

if your reposts on this start with if,s or but,s your only digging the hole deeper 
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: AllyBlue14 on February 16, 2018, 05:41:17 PM
Still relying on Niasse now though no?...despite a 20+ million pound buy .

I honestly don't see Sam wanting better just his money ....if he was building something he wouldn't start by tearing down players publicly imho...or he hasn't learned anything in two decades of management as most people progress in their lines of work ...Sams still putting out alleged fires ...so is he really progressing even in his own career?.


We're still relying on him, yeah, but Allardyce's strengths were in organising the defence. And to be fair to him, he's had his work cut out when you look at who he's had available.

And I'm not really sure you can judge whether he's progressing in his career after just 3 months and a January transfer window here. But no-one is prepared to give him the time, so the chances are we'll never find out.
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: Dr. Sponge on February 16, 2018, 05:58:36 PM
Please amend all of the untruthful and misinformed parts of your previous posts and I'll think about it.

http://www.evertonfc.com/content/history/players-and-managers/managers/sam-allardyce

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2746734-epl-table-2017-week-14-standings-after-wednesdays-premier-league-scores

Pedantic on here sometimes innit.

We all know the decision was taken to appoint him as manager before the West Ham game. So yeah we were 17th at the time.

Must have been a difficult decision to make, but I'd rather go through a season of this than be the next Leeds United and disappear into the abyss of the lower leagues. The guarantee of not going down was well worth the £6mil in the grand scheme of things.
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: AllyBlue14 on February 16, 2018, 06:00:31 PM
Please amend all of the untruthful and misinformed parts of your previous posts and Iíll think about it.

http://www.evertonfc.com/content/history/players-and-managers/managers/sam-allardyce

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2746734-epl-table-2017-week-14-standings-after-wednesdays-premier-league-scores


You're an arrogant prick, aren't you? It's not my fault you're choosing to misrepresent what I'm saying.

I said we were 19th, which I have since corrected. That's where we were before the Watford game.

However, as Macca said, we agreed to sign him before the West Ham match - it was announced officially afterwards. My comments were based on our position before that match that led us to bring him in - after the games on the Tuesday night, we were 17th. What's your point?
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: Lxxx on February 16, 2018, 06:01:45 PM
I just don't see why people want us to tread water for another 12 months, which is what we'd be doing if he stayed on. He was a short term appointment and it looks like he'll meet his brief.

If another manager comes available or expresses an interest to join us and buy into what we're looking to achieve then why would we not want to explore it? I don't see any positive in keeping a manager in charge who will probably set out next season to firstly make sure we don't get relegated and then once that's achieved will then tell us we shouldn't be expecting too much as the top 6 are light years ahead so let's be grateful if we can finish 7th and maybe have a cup run, providing we don't play any of the top 6 away otherwise we'll throw that game because it's an expected loss.

I feel like we've entered the twilight zone and gone back to pre-2010.
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: Macca77 on February 16, 2018, 06:03:52 PM
So yeah, we were 17th when he joined. Which in my book is 'near the bottom'. Maybe if we'd have waited until after that match, the board may have thought differently. But we were in horrendous shape at the time, hence they went for Allardyce. Given the dearth of options at the time, I'm not sure who else they could've brought in that would've 'guaranteed' safety.

We were 13th when he took over, not 17th
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: AllyBlue14 on February 16, 2018, 06:07:53 PM
We were 13th when he took over, not 17th

Again, pedantry. We were 17th when we made the deal to sign him. We were 13th when he was officially named manager. What does that change?
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: Ross on February 16, 2018, 06:10:37 PM
You're an arrogant prick, aren't you? It's not my fault you're choosing to misrepresent what I'm saying.

I said we were 19th, which I have since corrected. That's where we were before the Watford game.

However, as Macca said, we agreed to sign him before the West Ham match - it was announced officially afterwards. My comments were based on our position before that match that led us to bring him in - after the games on the Tuesday night, we were 17th. What's your point?

No need to be abusive, you were wrong I simply pointed you towards the correct information. A thank you would have been nice though obviously.

In future though please try and post the correct information and facts it saves all the nastiness.
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: TheRam on February 16, 2018, 06:11:42 PM
Again, pedantry. We were 17th when we made the deal to sign him. We were 13th when he was officially named manager. What does that change?

He took over a team that was 13 and had just won 4-0 looking upwards in the table, not 17th looking downwards at relegation which is what you're making out.
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: AllyBlue14 on February 16, 2018, 06:16:21 PM
I just don't see why people want us to tread water for another 12 months, which is what we'd be doing if he stayed on. He was a short term appointment and it looks like he'll meet his brief.

If another manager comes available or expresses an interest to join us and buy into what we're looking to achieve then why would we not want to explore it? I don't see any positive in keeping a manager in charge who will probably set out next season to firstly make sure we don't get relegated and then once that's achieved will then tell us we shouldn't be expecting too much as the top 6 are light years ahead so let's be grateful if we can finish 7th and maybe have a cup run, providing we don't play any of the top 6 away otherwise we'll throw that game because it's an expected loss.

I feel like we've entered the twilight zone and gone back to pre-2010.

Now I agree with this, to an extent. If another manager becomes available or we know they can be cherry-picked, then we should go for them. Unlike Martinez and Koeman, though, I wouldn't just sack Allardyce at the end of the season unless we have this replacement lined up.

But a lot of it depends on how we play between now and the end of the season. If we look like we're being more progressive, achieve 7th and prove we can actually outclass teams, then I reckon he'd have earned another go - unless this mystery manager becomes available and the opportunity is too good to turn down. If we bumble along playing more dull, uninspiring stuff then yeah, the need becomes more pressing to look elsewhere.
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: gizzblue on February 16, 2018, 06:16:23 PM
We're still relying on him, yeah, but Allardyce's strengths were in organising the defence. And to be fair to him, he's had his work cut out when you look at who he's had available.

And I'm not really sure you can judge whether he's progressing in his career after just 3 months and a January transfer window here. But no-one is prepared to give him the time, so the chances are we'll never find out.
We've had twenty years to tell and his career has stagnated 👍..still doing the same things now as he was back when ...exactly ...sports science must move remarkably slow .
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: bogie on February 16, 2018, 06:18:52 PM
We were 13th when he took over, not 17th

ffs tell me when we went looking a new manager were we 13th

stop with the trying to make it look better than it was you talking to people that seen how bad it was
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: Dr. Sponge on February 16, 2018, 06:21:19 PM
Is this the famous clique I've heard so much about?
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: Ross on February 16, 2018, 06:22:50 PM
Pedantic on here sometimes innit.

We all know the decision was taken to appoint him as manager before the West Ham game. So yeah we were 17th at the time.

Must have been a difficult decision to make, but I'd rather go through a season of this than be the next Leeds United and disappear into the abyss of the lower leagues. The guarantee of not going down was well worth the £6mil in the grand scheme of things.

We were looking at managers from the day Koeman was sacked, either getting knocked back by clubs or failing to entice others.

The fact is when Allardyce walked in we werenít 19th or 17th we were in fact 13th after a decent league run and our form had steadied out.
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: Dr. Sponge on February 16, 2018, 06:24:38 PM
We were looking at managers from the day Koeman was sacked, either getting knocked back by clubs or failing to entice others.

The fact is when Allardyce walked in we weren't 19th or 17th we were in fact 13th after a decent league run and our form had steadied out.

Yeah ok. But we were 17th when the board were trying to appoint him, which is the point that's trying to be made, is it not?
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: AllyBlue14 on February 16, 2018, 06:26:09 PM
He took over a team that was 13 and had just won 4-0 looking upwards in the table, not 17th looking downwards at relegation which is what you're making out.

I'm not making anything out. When we agreed to sign him we were 17th looking down. The fact that we had a good result against West Ham had absolutely no impact on him signing whatsoever. After the Southampton away match, clearly a panic had set in that we were in for a tough ride.

I don't see what spin I'm putting on this - I'm not saying he won us the West Ham match or anything like that. The only slight subjective slant I would put on it is that yes, we won, but we'd beaten Watford and hoped we kick on after that. But we didn't. There was no indication whatsoever that that would lead to us suddenly turning around our problems.

I'd have loved Unsworth to stay on and be our manager for the next 20 years. I actually remember defending him on here at the time because he was been given a rough time.
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: AllyBlue14 on February 16, 2018, 06:28:50 PM
No need to be abusive, you were wrong I simply pointed you towards the correct information. A thank you would have been nice though obviously.

In future though please try and post the correct information and facts it saves all the nastiness.

If it's ok with you, I'll take my credibility lessons from someone who hasn't spent 17000 posts blindly defending Roberto Martinez.
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: Macca77 on February 16, 2018, 06:29:48 PM
ffs tell me when we went looking a new manager were we 13th

stop with the trying to make it look better than it was you talking to people that seen how bad it was

Allardyce took over as manager when we were 13th in the league, what part of that do you not understand?
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: Ross on February 16, 2018, 06:30:36 PM
Yeah ok. But we were 17th when the board were trying to appoint him, which is the point that's trying to be made, is it not?

He was appointed after the round 14 games, after the round 13 games we sat 16th.

Again the point is he walked into a favourable position with things on the up,  all though for some desperate reason people are trying to make out we were practically done for to try and make his time here look more than simply adequate.
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: AllyBlue14 on February 16, 2018, 06:35:43 PM
Yeah ok. But we were 17th when the board were trying to appoint him, which is the point that's trying to be made, is it not?

Thank you!

People didn't want Allardyce from the start and so it's all about finding reasons to get him out. It's pathetic. Every story is another tenuous shred of fabricated evidence to get rid of him.

It's not like I even particularly want him here, but I believe in meritocracy - if you do well, you deserve the chance to carry on. I've clarified my position in response to Lxxx, if we can get a better manager in the summer then go for it. But I'm not going to spend the next 3 months shoving a stick further up my arse if we actually get a couple of wins, worrying if we'll see the back of him or not.
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: Dr. Sponge on February 16, 2018, 06:36:42 PM
Well this is grim.
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: AllyBlue14 on February 16, 2018, 06:38:46 PM
Allardyce took over as manager when we were 13th in the league, what part of that do you not understand?

Officially yes, but you do accept that the deal was agreed when we were 17th?
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: Polledreng on February 16, 2018, 06:41:16 PM
Thank you!

People didn't want Allardyce from the start and so it's all about finding reasons to get him out. It's pathetic. Every story is another tenuous shred of fabricated evidence to get rid of him.

It's not like I even particularly want him here, but I believe in meritocracy - if you do well, you deserve the chance to carry on. I've clarified my position in response to Lxxx, if we can get a better manager in the summer then go for it. But I'm not going to spend the next 3 months shoving a stick further up my arse if we actually get a couple of wins, worrying if we'll see the back of him or not.
Finding reasons to get him out ??  Travelled from Denmark to Watch us "play" Spurs and Arsenal away. Reason enough to get him sacked ASAP.
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: Ross on February 16, 2018, 06:49:17 PM
If it's ok with you, I'll take my credibility lessons from someone who hasn't spent 17000 posts blindly defending Roberto Martinez.

Haha hardly.

Yeah I did back Martinez, but you know what Iíd much rather watch us under him than Allardyce. I liked watching us get a record premier league haul, reach two semi finals in one season, not capitulate in Europe, attract and play some of Europeís brightest talent here, promoting our own youth players and giving them a chance.   

All that said and done he got his fair share of criticism off me during his time, but it sure as hell beats watching us got to Arsenal with a tub of KY in our hand or line up with a back five and two defensive mids against the bottom of the league in my book.
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: AllyBlue14 on February 16, 2018, 06:57:41 PM
Haha hardly.

Yeah I did back Martinez, but you know what Iíd much rather watch us under him than Allardyce. I liked watching us get a record premier league haul, reach two semi finals in one season, not capitulate in Europe, attract and play some of Europeís brightest talent here, promoting our own youth players and giving them a chance. All that said and done he got his fair share of critism off me as well during his time. 

All that said and done he got his fair share of criticism off me during his time, but it sure as hell beats watching us got to Arsenal with a tub of KY in our hand or line up with a back five and two defensive mids against the bottom of the league in my book.

I loved him - as a keen Hispanist, I loved all the 'sin miedo' and 'solo lo mejor' stuff. And the first season was great.

But we'd be in the Championship if he'd have still been here. And you could even argue that despite bringing in the very talented young players, he's the biggest reason they moved on, because he actually took the club backwards during his time here.
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: Mick 1995 on February 16, 2018, 07:01:09 PM
Look, after that Southampton dicking myself and many others genuinely thought this season could turn into a relegation scrap.
It wasn't an over reation and it wasn't being pessimistic. It was a realistic and genuine fear.
The side looked like it was shot. Utterly devoid of an attacking idea and far too similar to the teams some of us had to sit through in the 90s.

It was after that game that the board seemed to crystalise on Allardyce and swallow their pride.
they announced him just before the West Ham game. But he had already met the players before the announcement.

But that is besides the point @AllyBlue14 (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=1439) is making. His point wasn't about if Allardyce is any good. It wasn't even whether we were truly in danger of going down.
It was simply that, at the time the board made their decision, there was a general perception that we had a decent chance of finding ourselves in a bid to avoid a relegation battle.
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: Ross on February 16, 2018, 07:01:48 PM
I loved him - as a keen Hispanist, I loved all the 'sin miedo' and 'solo lo mejor' stuff. And the first season was great.

But we'd be in the Championship if he'd have still been here. And you could even argue that despite bringing in the very talented young players, he's the biggest reason they moved on, because he actually took the club backwards during his time here.

Please donít try and derail the thread with another Martinez bashing session.
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: AllyBlue14 on February 16, 2018, 07:04:41 PM
Thanks Mick, that's it exactly :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: Audrey Horne on February 16, 2018, 07:25:42 PM
Haha hardly.

Yeah I did back Martinez, but you know what Iíd much rather watch us under him than Allardyce. I liked watching us get a record premier league haul, reach two semi finals in one season, not capitulate in Europe, attract and play some of Europeís brightest talent here, promoting our own youth players and giving them a chance.   

All that said and done he got his fair share of criticism off me during his time, but it sure as hell beats watching us got to Arsenal with a tub of KY in our hand or line up with a back five and two defensive mids against the bottom of the league in my book.

Yesss the semi final shout has arrived!!
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: BlueForYou on February 16, 2018, 09:03:55 PM
For Lxxx: 65% have voted for 10th with Allardyce out - that is an example for the definition of most

The term "most managers" would, therefore, become self-explanatory

I am one of the 35% who would like to see us finish as high as possible(7th) in return for honouring the remainder of Sam's contract with a new manager installed for 2019-20 season

Patience is a virtue and good things come to those who wait - and stand by their word







 
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: bogie on February 16, 2018, 10:20:49 PM
Finding reasons to get him out ??  Travelled from Denmark to Watch us "play" Spurs and Arsenal away. Reason enough to get him sacked ASAP.

I call bull shit on that show me you stubs and pic of you at the game
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: Lxxx on February 16, 2018, 10:23:52 PM
For Lxxx: 65% have voted for 10th with Allardyce out - that is an example for the definition of most

The term "most managers" would, therefore, become self-explanatory

I am one of the 35% who would like to see us finish as high as possible(7th) in return for honouring the remainder of Sam's contract with a new manager installed for 2019-20 season

Patience is a virtue and good things come to those who wait - and stand by their word







 

Your quote was 'most managers wouldn't want to manage Everton.' Currently Sam is one of the highest paid managers in world football, we're in the top 10 spenders in Europe and our majority shareholder has told the world money will never be an issue under his watch.

I'd suggest most managers would be interested in the job.
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: bacon sarnie on February 16, 2018, 10:24:42 PM
I call bull shit on that show me you stubs and pic of you at the game

Who opened the window and let this daft cunt in?
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: bogie on February 16, 2018, 10:25:34 PM
For Lxxx: 65% have voted for 10th with Allardyce out - that is an example for the definition of most

The term "most managers" would, therefore, become self-explanatory

I am one of the 35% who would like to see us finish as high as possible(7th) in return for honouring the remainder of Sam's contract with a new manager installed for 2019-20 season

Patience is a virtue and good things come to those who wait - and stand by their word


is that the same most that some 5/6 weeks ago hammered me and a few other for saying they did not want Europa league next year

65% lol well you take the bandwagon posters out and your down to about 35% tops and 50% of them wanted 7th 5 weeks ago
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: bogie on February 16, 2018, 10:28:38 PM
Who opened the window and let this daft cunt in?

reported now lets see if it works both ways
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: Jimmywhack on February 16, 2018, 10:30:15 PM
is that the same most that some 5/6 weeks ago hammered me and a few other for saying they did not want Europa league next year

65% lol well you take the bandwagon posters out and your down to about 35% tops and 50% of them wanted 7th 5 weeks ago
The choice is europa league and Sam stays

You didn't want europa league cos you thought it's too much for us

Most on here would love Europe again

Most on here don't want Sam.

So, the majority will say no Europe as long as Sam is gone

It's not rocket science
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: BlueForYou on February 16, 2018, 10:31:26 PM
After the long wait for a manager after Koeman was sacked, then ending up with someone that supposedly turned us down a couple of weeks before - quote "it would appear that most managers don't want to manage Everton" unquote
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: gizzblue on February 16, 2018, 10:34:20 PM
reported now lets see if it works both ways
There is a difference between calling someone a cunt and actually posting like a cunt and calling people plazzy supporters on a website for Everton supporters though ...no?.
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: bogie on February 16, 2018, 10:37:46 PM
The choice is europa league and Sam stays

You didn't want europa league cos you thought it's too much for us

Most on here would live Europe again

Most on here don't want Sam.

So, the majority will say no Europe as long as Sam is gone

It's not rocket science

yeah and most on here would be happy with marco silva but to anyone outside of the haters on here it would see us go down the guy linked with west brom today
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: BlueForYou on February 16, 2018, 10:38:05 PM
It's all gone Mickie Most around here
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: bogie on February 16, 2018, 10:39:32 PM
There is a difference between calling someone a cunt and actually posting like a cunt and calling people plazzy supporters on a website for Everton supporters though ...no?.

I got banned for calling someone a C... ok now go away
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: Cereal Killer on February 16, 2018, 10:41:13 PM
For Lxxx: 65% have voted for 10th with Allardyce out - that is an example for the definition of most

The term "most managers" would, therefore, become self-explanatory

I am one of the 35% who would like to see us finish as high as possible(7th) in return for honouring the remainder of Sam's contract with a new manager installed for 2019-20 season

Patience is a virtue and good things come to those who wait - and stand by their word

I voted for 7th but I in no way hold the same view as you in regards to Allardyce

He is a corrupt, self serving manager who shouldn't be anywhere near the club. I don't want him here, I don't want to see us basically forfeiting games without a fight and playing shit football constantly

But i do want us to finish as high as possible every year

So don't assume that 35% of voters are happy with him and want to honour a contract etc etc, that wasn't the poll
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: BlueForYou on February 16, 2018, 10:42:25 PM
Fair comment
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: TheRam on February 16, 2018, 10:57:28 PM
Yet to see anyone put a coherent defence of Allardyce up yet.

Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: BlueForYou on February 16, 2018, 11:06:27 PM
He's Farhad's appointed manager
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: Jimmywhack on February 16, 2018, 11:08:04 PM
yeah and most on here would be happy with marco silva but to anyone outside of the haters on here it would see us go down the guy linked with west brom today
Last I read he was linked with Chelsea but imo he wasn't exactly what I wanted but I still think he is more progressive than Allardyce yes
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: bogie on February 16, 2018, 11:17:45 PM
Last I read he was linked with Chelsea but imo he wasn't exactly what I wanted but I still think he is more progressive than Allardyce yes

Chelsea was that you linked him with them ahh bless
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: bogie on February 16, 2018, 11:19:06 PM
Yet to see anyone put a coherent defence of Allardyce up yet.



same can be said the other way round all I here is but I just don't like him
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: BlueForYou on February 16, 2018, 11:21:42 PM
And most people may well think that Silva would be more progressive than Allardyce

Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: Polledreng on February 16, 2018, 11:21:43 PM
I call bull shit on that show me you stubs and pic of you at the game
Fucking hell you are deluded Want a picture of my seasonticket aswelll Next year all tickets will go on Stub>Hub if Big Sam is still around
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: Jimmywhack on February 16, 2018, 11:50:54 PM
Chelsea was that you linked him with them ahh bless
Yeah I'm a journalist
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: plumber on February 17, 2018, 12:01:40 AM
I'm not quite sure what "progressive" means (not giving a shit about defense probably?) but Silva can rightly fuck off.
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: BlueForYou on February 17, 2018, 12:55:54 AM
As with "Prog Rock" in music, progressive would mean moving forward

Bramley Moore Dock: The home of "Prog Football" - nice ring to it!

Cue Peter Johnson's "Fanfare For The Common Man" by Emerson, Lake & Palmer" - remember when?

Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: Bally on February 18, 2018, 07:04:03 PM
I got banned for calling someone a C... ok now go away
You were not banned for solely calling someone a cunt
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on February 18, 2018, 07:07:20 PM
I got banned for calling someone a cunt too. Think it might be frowned upon
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: Bally on February 18, 2018, 07:08:59 PM
I got banned for calling someone a cunt too. Think it might be frowned upon
No
Not for solely calling someone a cunt.
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: bogie on February 18, 2018, 07:09:41 PM
You were not banned for solely calling someone a cunt
well you had seen what was going on and warned me over it and did nothing to the 3/4/5/6 members that were having a go at me
so I had a pop at you I did see the ban coming no big deal
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: Bally on February 19, 2018, 12:17:28 AM
well you had seen what was going on and warned me over it and did nothing to the 3/4/5/6 members that were having a go at me
so I had a pop at you I did see the ban coming no big deal
You had a pop at me????
Must've missed that, don't assume is was me that banned you though
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: bogie on February 19, 2018, 12:19:55 AM
You had a pop at me????
Must've missed that, don't assume is was me that banned you though

sorry mix up there with posting

yeah I seen the ban coming was sure it was you might not have been but no big deal
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: brap2 on February 19, 2018, 05:39:16 AM
If allardyce doesnít go and he starts next year in the dugout - does anyone think he would actually manage to last out his contract?
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: gizzblue on February 19, 2018, 05:47:26 AM
If allardyce doesn't go and he starts next year in the dugout - does anyone think he would actually manage to last out his contract?
**shudders**
I fucking hope not or it will be even more proof Moshiri should be doing anything else but owning football club...or running his mates football club whichever reality were actually in .
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: Shropshire Blue on February 19, 2018, 06:42:06 AM
BBC gossip saying Pardew could be on his way soon.
Life beyond Sam for next season?
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: Mayor Farnum on February 19, 2018, 06:45:08 AM
If allardyce doesnít go and he starts next year in the dugout - does anyone think he would actually manage to last out his contract?

If he recovers us to seventh he deserves a crack at next season and the chance to see out his contract. We aren't going to make ourselves any more attractive to named managers by continuing to sack managers at the first sign of trouble.
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on February 19, 2018, 12:27:37 PM
No
Not for solely calling someone a cunt.


Well I'm generally quite annoying too. I don't think that helped
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: brap2 on February 19, 2018, 01:31:44 PM
If he recovers us to seventh he deserves a crack at next season and the chance to see out his contract. We aren't going to make ourselves any more attractive to named managers by continuing to sack managers at the first sign of trouble.

Wonít be at trouble though, weíll finish the season comfortably top 10, which is a success given where we were.

However, heís not the man for the big project, Iím sure we can all agree on that.

Major sea change in the summer i think, and hope.
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: Rodenplav64 on February 19, 2018, 04:42:42 PM
most would much rather fail than be a success with someone they don't like

I don't think that's the reality . If we start winning then I think we would endure rather than enjoy him . Moyes I feel had become unpopular due to failing to take us forward and his constant punching above our weight rubbish . Allardyce has basically set himself up ( rather arrogantly ) as our saviour and his pride may well come before his fall . Even shite anti footballing Managers can gain begrudging appreciation though. Look at George Grahams Arsenal .
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: blue1948 on February 19, 2018, 04:57:05 PM
Can't stand his bullshit tho' he says the squad is too big and ships some out ,this week he is saying the sooner we get players fit we will have more choice ?
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: Lxxx on February 19, 2018, 05:04:23 PM
Can't stand his bullshit tho' he says the squad is too big and ships some out ,this week he is saying the sooner we get players fit we will have more choice ?

Too much choice is what is destroying any attempt at formulating a system that the players look comfortable in. We're constantly chopping and changing the bloke hasn't got a clue what his best side is, or formation, and he's been here long enough to at least have sussed that out.
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: brap2 on February 19, 2018, 05:35:33 PM
Donít buy the idea the squad was too big.

Too many players who arenít good enough sure, but we had shite u23 players who havenít done a minute for us in the squad.
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: van der Meyde on February 19, 2018, 06:20:44 PM
Donít buy the idea the squad was too big.

Too many players who arenít good enough sure, but we had shite u23 players who havenít done a minute for us in the squad.
By pure numbers it wasn't too big.

We did/do have too many players in some positions and too few in others though.
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: Hawkandro on February 19, 2018, 06:57:17 PM
Even if we finished 7th and qualified for Europe, I wouldn't want Sam here next year.
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on February 19, 2018, 07:20:01 PM
Even if we finished 7th and qualified for Europe, I wouldn't want Sam here next year.

What about if we finish 7th with a great end to the season and there's no clear proven options for a different manager
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: Lxxx on February 19, 2018, 07:24:26 PM
What about if we finish 7th with a great end to the season and there's no clear proven options for a different manager

What a ridiculous statement.
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on February 19, 2018, 07:29:34 PM
What a ridiculous statement.

In what sense. Most seem to want anyone but and it seems to be regardless of the current managers performance
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: Ridge on February 19, 2018, 07:33:04 PM
When you qualify for europe, there is a gap in terms of required squad size. Outside of europe you can get by with a good first 11 for the season, in europe, you've got half a dozen games impacting a third of that seasons PL games.

So when you're in europe, you'll probably be short of options, and when out of europe, you have a wealth of resources.
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: Lxxx on February 19, 2018, 07:35:02 PM
It's a ridiculous statement to query that there are no other options out there other than Sam Allardyce, a guy we had to tempt out of retirement with one big top up for his pension.
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on February 19, 2018, 07:39:14 PM
It's a ridiculous statement to query that there are no other options out there other than Sam Allardyce, a guy we had to tempt out of retirement with one big top up for his pension.

I'm not saying no other options other than. I'm ruling out all the daft 1s people voted for like simeone and ancolotte (excuse the spelling)

I'm talking about a great finish to the season then would we rather have allardyce or say silva... or some other flavour of the month

7th is all we can manage I just wondered if a really strong finish would see people lose their appetite for another long search
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: Rodenplav64 on February 19, 2018, 07:40:38 PM
It's a ridiculous statement to query that there are no other options out there other than Sam Allardyce, a guy we had to tempt out of retirement with one big top up for his pension.

But Mosh read his book . I don't trust in the new leadership going forward . I think its going to end in tears ( not that I haven't been crying watching us this season ).
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: Thornton_19 on February 19, 2018, 07:44:46 PM
It's a ridiculous statement to query that there are no other options out there other than Sam Allardyce, a guy we had to tempt out of retirement with one big top up for his pension.
I thought it was ridiculous more so because it suggested a great end to the season.
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: Macca77 on February 19, 2018, 07:50:55 PM
If we do finish 7th and end up in Europe then it just re confirms how poor the premier league has become
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on February 19, 2018, 07:51:49 PM
I thought it was ridiculous more so because it suggested a great end to the season.

I actually assumed that's what he meant

It just seems there's an assumption that we will continue as we are performance wise til the end of the season and finish anywhere between 7th and 9th. Just wondered if a good 7th made any difference to a 7th as we currently are
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: Lxxx on February 19, 2018, 07:53:22 PM
If we're going to have a second stab at this 'project' then this summer is the time to do it.

If I think back to the most excited I've felt about us in a very long time it was the Martinez first season. We had young, talented players playing with a smile on their face, with pace, energy and an attitude that we could play the big boys and have a go. 

We also had a young charismatic manager who looked the part and talked the talk. Granted we found out he couldn't walk the walk further down the line but for that one season we were everyone's second team.

I think it's this we have to try and replicate and build from top down. At a time when we're looking to build the club up for a new stadium, to increase our commercial deals, to generate interest across our fanbase we need to somehow get that back. No multi-nationals are going to want to associate with a team playing dour football under a manager waiting for retirement, no promising players are going to want to come here if they have other options when we don't fully utilise the ones we have and our DoF looks and acts like someone from a different era.

Perception is reality and I think we need to give the impression we are like a Leipzig, or a Spurs in the making. Not a well paid retirement home for staff and players alike.
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: brap2 on February 19, 2018, 07:58:44 PM
What about if we finish 7th with a great end to the season and there's no clear proven options for a different manager

And what should me Aunty do with that new set of bollocks while weíre st it?
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: van der Meyde on February 19, 2018, 08:05:16 PM
I actually assumed that's what he meant

It just seems there's an assumption that we will continue as we are performance wise til the end of the season and finish anywhere between 7th and 9th. Just wondered if a good 7th made any difference to a 7th as we currently are
It's a fair question to ask, I think.

I think it's fine to base opinions on the preceding 20 odd years of evidence, but I do wonder if winning 7/8 of our remaining games would change opinions much.
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on February 19, 2018, 08:09:53 PM
And what should me Aunty do with that new set of bollocks while weíre st it?

I'm not sure what you're trying to say. Nothing is certain. It's all ifs and buts the entire thread
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: Ridge on February 19, 2018, 08:27:08 PM
Since Allardyce was appointed, we've had the least shots, least shots on target of anyone in league. Only West Ham have conceded more shots, and only Brighton, Newcastle and Stoke have conceded more shots on target in that time.

I'd be interested to see the x90 stats for shots. Interestingly West Ham have conceded 9 more shots, but 9 less on target, they are 20th for shots conceded, but 7th for number of shots on target conceded, but they've had 33% more shots on target in that time and convert a higher percentage of shots on target into goals.

Stats are from here (http://www.footstats.co.uk/index.cfm?task=league_shots). We were 9th for shots and 12th for shots on target before Allardyce arrival, we concede on average 2 more shots per game under Allardyce, 16 more in 1 less game. Shots on target per game, we conceded 5.07 before and 4.92 after.
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: Hawkandro on February 19, 2018, 08:31:32 PM
What about if we finish 7th with a great end to the season and there's no clear proven options for a different manager

Like in King Ralph? They all get electrocuted at once in a freak accident?
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on February 19, 2018, 08:33:58 PM
Like in King Ralph? They all get electrocuted at once in a freak accident?

Well we don't have a great track record with managers. You that confident we won't have a long failed chase for a flavour of the month before we get someone we don't like? Or maybe a successful chase for a flavour of the month like Martinez or koeman were
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: Hawkandro on February 19, 2018, 08:39:48 PM
Maybe I am being wildly optimistic, but you would hope Moshiri and his team will be working on identifying the replacement. Silva is obviously available, Fonseca is out of contract soon and even Ancelotti is still holding out for a PL gig. Then, factor in there will be upheavals around the world come the summer, I don't think it will be that tough to find a replacement.
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: formerKHL on February 19, 2018, 08:57:00 PM
Apparently pep nearly signed for wigan because his mate bobby was there and he wanted to follow him there...

lets hope and pray he wants to follow in bobby's footsteps....
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: Mick 1995 on February 20, 2018, 03:26:31 PM
The bit in bold was when asked if he would bring the Everton squad back to Dubai next season.

This appointment isn't viewed as a stop-gap lads.


Quote
Sam Allardyce says he is hoping to return to Dubai with his Everton squad next season.

The Blues spent last week in the Gulf on a warm weather training trip, and Allardyce has been a regular visitor to Dubai throughout his managerial career.

With a two-week gap between the win over Crystal Palace on February 10 and this Saturday's trip Watford, Everton were afforded an ideal chance to recharge their batteries with some warm weather training.

Allardyce has been thoroughly impressed with how his players have adapted to their temporary surroundings and revealed he would have no hesitation returning.

"It's been absolutely outstanding, the way the hotel has looked after us," he said.

"The training facilities are fantastic, the players have really enjoyed the training.

"In fact, we've had to make them stop training they have been enjoying it so much!

"The benefits are too great for us not to return.

"We are sorry we're out the FA Cup. Of course we would have loved to have stayed in it, and it was a spirited performance against Liverpool.

"We got knocked out with the late header from [Virgil] van Dijk, so we take this opportunity to take the break.

"I come back every year and there's no doubt about [returning]."

Allardyce also reiterated his desire to see Everton's poor away form improve when they return to Premier League action at Vicarage Road this weekend.

"We need to improve our away form, it's been a bit on the poor side, so we need to increase that," he told Big Rossi Radio in Dubai.

"It's been the opposite to the home form and like every other team outside of the top six, it's always a struggle to get that consistency home and away.

"We've been no better or worse than anyone else.

"We're all new, we haven't been together long and we can all get to know each other a bit [in Dubai], and hopefully, as we get to know each other a bit more, it will help on the pitch."
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: Lxxx on February 20, 2018, 03:33:37 PM
Hardly conclusive.
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: Mick 1995 on February 20, 2018, 03:41:03 PM
Hardly conclusive.

Nothing short of a contract extension would be conclusive enough for some people.
Even that wouldn't be seen as reason to believe he will be here next season.

He has spoke about planning for the future
Spoke about planning for the summer window
Now spoke about winter training camps away next year

He is, 100%, mentally in the space that he will be here at the start of next season.
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: Lxxx on February 20, 2018, 03:43:07 PM
Nothing short of a contract extension would be conclusive enough for some people.
Even that wouldn't be seen as reason to believe he will be here next season.

He has spoke about planning for the future
Spoke about planning for the summer window
Now spoke about winter training camps away next year

He is, 100%, mentally in the space that he will be here at the start of next season.

It doesn't really matter though what he thinks. Every manager in the league is planning for next season as they have a contract for it. A certain proportion of them won't see it though as the people above them will fancy a change, we just have to hope our majority shareholder feels the same.
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: Macca77 on February 20, 2018, 04:39:11 PM
He can say all he wants, he's fucking gone in the summer, I'm 87% certain of that
Title: Re: 7th and more Allardyce or 10th and a new manager?
Post by: Confucius on February 20, 2018, 11:05:57 PM
I hate the guy but as long as Everton do well, I don't really care.