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Title: [News]Allardyce: We've turned the club around
Post by: Everton News on February 23, 2018, 06:48:06 PM
Allardyce: We've turned the club around

Everton manager Sam Allardyce says that he has turned the club around from facing relegation to the players putting in good performances.

Source: Allardyce: We've turned the club around (https://www.nsno.co.uk/everton-news/2018/02/allardyce-weve-turned-club-around/)
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: We've turned the club around
Post by: Bluenose 91 on February 23, 2018, 06:49:59 PM
This thread should be good.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: We've turned the club around
Post by: Macca77 on February 23, 2018, 06:53:03 PM
Oh dear
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: We've turned the club around
Post by: TheRam on February 23, 2018, 06:59:18 PM
We were not fighting relegation when he came in.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: We've turned the club around
Post by: Jimmywhack on February 23, 2018, 07:01:06 PM
Everton manager Sam Allardyce says that he has turned the club around from facing relegation to the players putting in good performances.

Both statements are bollocks
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: We've turned the club around
Post by: Macca77 on February 23, 2018, 07:07:28 PM
The man loves himself doesn't he, taking all the glory for keeping us up when we werent in danger in the first place. Its laughable really, and quite embarrassing
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: We've turned the club around
Post by: Gash on February 23, 2018, 07:09:48 PM
If that's what he classes as good performances I dread to think what we'll be like if we have to grind a result out.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: We've turned the club around
Post by: blueski on February 23, 2018, 07:15:18 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/qSBi9w5.gif)
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: We've turned the club around
Post by: Cereal Killer on February 23, 2018, 07:35:24 PM
 :Holgate:
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: We've turned the club around
Post by: blue slug on February 23, 2018, 07:39:35 PM
He donít half talk shite
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: We've turned the club around
Post by: Bob Sacamano on February 23, 2018, 07:48:27 PM
The comms department should just stick the mic in front of him then turn it off. He thinks he has the attention he deserves and we donít have to listen to his Bolton Wanderers bollocks. Everyone wins.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: We've turned the club around
Post by: gizzblue on February 23, 2018, 08:05:42 PM
Sam talks bollocks in interview ....


Could be twenty years old this statement ....just insert everton in the space were any 'actual' relagation club was previously .
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: We've turned the club around
Post by: formerKHL on February 23, 2018, 08:08:01 PM
I actually agree with him....

he has turned us around...... from playing shite sometimes......to completely playing shite all the time.....
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: We've turned the club around
Post by: Macca77 on February 23, 2018, 08:09:24 PM
There is no I in team, unless your name is Allardyce
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: We've turned the club around
Post by: formerKHL on February 23, 2018, 08:12:41 PM
There is no I in team, unless your name is Allardyce

AllIdyce
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: We've turned the club around
Post by: Ross on February 23, 2018, 08:15:18 PM
If weíre ever running short of pies and ale at halftime I reckon he could knock up a quick fish super with accompanying wine and still have enough time left to bring on another defensive midfielder.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: We've turned the club around
Post by: Macca77 on February 23, 2018, 08:16:58 PM
He taught Dynamo the magician how to walk on water.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: We've turned the club around
Post by: TheTone on February 23, 2018, 08:30:20 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/rULwcLx.gif)
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: We've turned the club around
Post by: Bluedylan on February 23, 2018, 08:32:47 PM
I don't like the man at all, but I don't have a massive issue with anything he's said there. I know it's fashionable to slaughter Newsbot, and that's not my intention, but I'm not sure the headline of the article particularly reflects the content.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: We've turned the club around
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on February 23, 2018, 08:41:35 PM
I actually agree with him....

he has turned us around...... from playing shite sometimes......to completely playing shite all the time.....

I get that people don't like him but are you really saying we've gotten worse since he came in? Honestly?
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: We've turned the club around
Post by: formerKHL on February 23, 2018, 08:51:23 PM
yes..
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: We've turned the club around
Post by: bacon sarnie on February 23, 2018, 09:26:19 PM
This bit killed me....

'Performances have been pretty good since I arrived here.'


Move over Jimmy Tarbuck!
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: We've turned the club around
Post by: Rodenplav64 on February 23, 2018, 10:12:15 PM
I blame Moshiri for making our club a laughing stock .
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: We've turned the club around
Post by: Rodenplav64 on February 23, 2018, 10:14:25 PM
I get that people don't like him but are you really saying we've gotten worse since he came in? Honestly?

We are honestly no better than when he came in . The standard below Arsenal , and they are not great , is as bad as it has been in many a long year.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: We've turned the club around
Post by: Jimmywhack on February 23, 2018, 10:17:40 PM
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/sam-allardyce-blasts-utter-rubbish-14328390

We have a system?
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: We've turned the club around
Post by: Simon Paul on February 23, 2018, 10:31:02 PM
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/sam-allardyce-blasts-utter-rubbish-14328390

We have a system?
No mention of our lack of shots on target in that article.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: We've turned the club around
Post by: AllyBlue14 on February 23, 2018, 10:31:41 PM
 This thread in emojis:

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Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: We've turned the club around
Post by: gizzblue on February 23, 2018, 10:37:01 PM
No mention of our lack of shots on target in that article.
Obviously wasnt including the two west brom games Bournmouth or the Arsenal dry bumming he dragged us to.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: We've turned the club around
Post by: Shropshire Blue on February 23, 2018, 11:29:15 PM
No mention of our lack of shots on target in that article.
Absolutely true and no mention of the forward power, midfield and defence he inherited either.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: We've turned the club around
Post by: TheRam on February 23, 2018, 11:29:50 PM
https://twitter.com/evertonarentwe/status/967084339690459136

Think that sums it up nicely.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: We've turned the club around
Post by: velimski on February 24, 2018, 12:08:15 AM
Yea I don't really want to give the bloke any credit, but lets not underestimate how much of a fucking mess we were in before he got here.


Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: We've turned the club around
Post by: indiantoffee1975 on February 24, 2018, 01:01:31 AM
Should be used to it. Same level of shite which also came out from Moyes, Martinez and Koeman. Martinez probably taking it further than the others.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: We've turned the club around
Post by: Ridge on February 24, 2018, 01:09:20 AM
We're worse than what he inherited, the anxiety is gone and is replaced by despair.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: We've turned the club around
Post by: howard1334 on February 24, 2018, 11:22:44 PM
I am really tired of the notion that escaping relegation with the 12th or so most expensive team in the world is any sort of an accomplishment.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: We've turned the club around
Post by: blargins on February 25, 2018, 12:29:22 AM
What he means is we've turned the club around. Thing is we needed it to be a 180 turnaround, not the full 360!
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: We've turned the club around
Post by: Martip on February 25, 2018, 01:27:26 AM
The fact is the club has not been turned around at all there has been some papering over the cracks done in the short term.

The team is so poor from back to front it's painful and it beggars belief that a team could spend so much money on so much crap AND HAS CONTINUED TO DO IT. Walsh is terrible end of.

The team today....

Pickford- no real improvement on what we had in all honesty but shouts a lot so we excuse his deficencies
Martina- crap
Keane- crap
Williams - crap
Kenny- average and too young
Rooney- too old so crap
Davies- hit and miss but young
Gueye - good player but not doing it atm
Walcott- looks our best player
Siggy- 45m ?
Niasse- well it's niasse.
Tosan- fooking carthorse running in quicksand..another Walsh gem.

Atm only Walcott looks anywhere near good enough.



Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: We've turned the club around
Post by: bogie on February 25, 2018, 01:32:54 AM
and don't forget yannick bolasie every cunt that had anything to do with us signing the thief needs kicked out of football never mind the club
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: We've turned the club around
Post by: Ramjam on February 25, 2018, 08:16:24 AM
Our only attacking threat is from our goalkeeper,

demoralising.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: We've turned the club around
Post by: blueToffee on February 25, 2018, 10:07:07 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/O3tsC5Y.gif)

You could quite reasonably argue that other managers would've been able to get a similar amount of points from the games since he came in. No arguments there, but we didn't seem to have any plan about appointing those people.

However, that is different to the fact that we were in a big mess when he came in. I think you could quite easily make a case for us being the worst team in the league for a not insignificant period of time this season. We offered so little up front and were so ridiculously fragile at the back...I mean just look at our goal difference, it reflects the reality of our season. There has been tiny handful of games where we were really deserved winners, with plenty of others you wonder how we picked up points.

We are still in a decent mess, both in terms of the squad and off the field issues. We've just managed to be a little less crap. I mean for a little while today, Newcastle were just 3 pts different to us and we're almost into March. We still can't win away from home and we only have 5 games left at home, of which perhaps 2 or 3 of those (Brighton, Newcastle and possibly Southampton) you'd think were games we should be winning. I can't imagine anyone here is particularly confident about playing Liverpool or Man City at home and expecting points.

So, I guess from that I say I don't think Allardyce should be particularly proud, however the fact is really there is currently very little between us and any of the teams from 7th downwards. We get by on individual moments, but things need to change if we hope to compete and not have a repeat this sort of season again next year.

We need a better manager, and we definitely need better recruitment. That's just the beginning.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: We've turned the club around
Post by: sirblue57 on February 25, 2018, 03:29:38 PM
Should be used to it. Same level of shite which also came out from Moyes, Martinez and Koeman. Martinez probably taking it further than the others.

Moyes, for all his faults, was never this bad. At least we had shape, and a defence. If he had come in instead of Sam we would have improved much more .
Martinez best period was built on the foundation Moyes left . Since then we have gone to shit, the whole structure is rotten and needs replacing, but with quality.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: We've turned the club around
Post by: Lxxx on February 25, 2018, 03:37:29 PM
Itís just sad to see the mess we have become in all honesty.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: We've turned the club around
Post by: Redartin on February 25, 2018, 04:04:27 PM
Yes, the club have turned around, and around, and around. It is called a spin, and they are spiralling downwards.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: We've turned the club around
Post by: Bob Sacamano on February 25, 2018, 04:04:43 PM
The fact is the club has not been turned around at all there has been some papering over the cracks done in the short term.

The team is so poor from back to front it's painful and it beggars belief that a team could spend so much money on so much crap AND HAS CONTINUED TO DO IT. Walsh is terrible end of.

The team today....

Pickford- no real improvement on what we had in all honesty but shouts a lot so we excuse his deficencies
Martina- crap
Keane- crap
Williams - crap
Kenny- average and too young
Rooney- too old so crap
Davies- hit and miss but young
Gueye - good player but not doing it atm
Walcott- looks our best player
Siggy- 45m ?
Niasse- well it's niasse.
Tosan- fooking carthorse running in quicksand..another Walsh gem.

Atm only Walcott looks anywhere near good enough.





lolol
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: We've turned the club around
Post by: Bluedylan on February 25, 2018, 04:21:48 PM
To quote the film, Vanilla Sky, 'every passing minute is another chance to turn it all around'.

And I agree with that. There's no such thing as being doomed, in my view. Essentially you just need to start making better decisions from now, and that applies equally to a person's life or running a club.

We're not resigned to our fate. We just need to start making better decisions and this season can be viewed as a crazy aberration, and nothing more. Lots of clubs have had awful seasons and terrible managerial appointments and then quickly reversed it and left it behind them.

We need to view it like that, quite dispassionately.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: We've turned the club around
Post by: Rodenplav64 on February 25, 2018, 04:23:18 PM
Brian Glanville , a respected journalist and not a fan on a downer wrote in this months World Soccer Magazine . Under the strapline       " Allardyces time has been and gone " he wrote "Evertons poor recent form has posed serious questions about the competence of SamAllardyce , brought in to revitalise the team after the abrupt departure of Ronald Koeman . After one or two useful victories, which at least seemed to keep the spectre of relegation at bay, he has left both Wayne Rooney and Gylfi Siggurdsson on the bench of late .They could hardly have done any worse in a team which has been overwhelmed at times .It also surprised me that he loaned talented winger Ademola Lookman to RB Leipzig of the Bundesliga where he has made an immediate impact . He is a player I have much admired for his pace , control and efficacy since his early days at Charlton where he developed . I feel Allardyce as a Manager has passed his meridian but it would be very expensive for Everton to fire him now . And whom would they bring in ? "

There is also an excellent article entitled 25 next Generation coaches but I think I will start another thread to discuss those on the list . Any of them would require a bit of forward thinking but those at the helm of our club don't seem to have any .
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: We've turned the club around
Post by: Ell Capitan on February 25, 2018, 04:26:12 PM
We finished 11th under Martinez. Twice.

Even Allardyce wonít have us sinking that low.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: We've turned the club around
Post by: Lxxx on February 25, 2018, 04:44:27 PM
We finished 11th under Martinez. Twice.

Even Allardyce won’t have us sinking that low.

In truth there's not much difference between 7th and 17th at the minute, so league positions below 6th aren't really a great barometer of progress. It's the direction the club is heading which needs to be used as an indicator and we're stagnating, badly.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: We've turned the club around
Post by: TheRam on February 25, 2018, 04:44:49 PM
We finished 11th under Martinez. Twice.

Even Allardyce wonít have us sinking that low.

Only because of the teams around us.

Truth is there's been no real upturn in results during his reign here.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: We've turned the club around
Post by: Rodenplav64 on February 25, 2018, 04:50:53 PM
We finished 11th under Martinez. Twice.

Even Allardyce won’t have us sinking that low.

You sure of that ?
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: We've turned the club around
Post by: AllyBlue14 on February 25, 2018, 04:52:25 PM
To quote the film, Vanilla Sky, 'every passing minute is another chance to turn it all around'.

And I agree with that. There's no such thing as being doomed, in my view. Essentially you just need to start making better decisions from now, and that applies equally to a person's life or running a club.

We're not resigned to our fate. We just need to start making better decisions and this season can be viewed as a crazy aberration, and nothing more. Lots of clubs have had awful seasons and terrible managerial appointments and then quickly reversed it and left it behind them.

We need to view it like that, quite dispassionately.

I don't agree with a lot of what you say, to be honest, but this sums it up exactly.

We are definitely in a better position (table-wise) than when Allardyce arrived and I think the board will look at that first and foremost. But the margin between us and the bottom is getting smaller, while we seem to be getting further away from the top 6. If Allardyce doesn't work out - and it increasingly appears he isn't going to - the board needs to make sure they take the time to identify the best and most realistic target to take us forward in the long-term.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: We've turned the club around
Post by: Bluedylan on February 25, 2018, 05:02:31 PM
I don't agree with a lot of what you say, to be honest, but this sums it up exactly.

We are definitely in a better position (table-wise) than when Allardyce arrived and I think the board will look at that first and foremost. But the margin between us and the bottom is getting smaller, while we seem to be getting further away from the top 6. If Allardyce doesn't work out - and it increasingly appears he isn't going to - the board needs to make sure they take the time to identify the best and most realistic target to take us forward in the long-term.

I appreciate the olive branch but I suspect we're still in disagreement, broadly speaking. I don't think the plan was ever to keep Allardyce beyond this season. I don't have an overwhelming body of evidence to support that. It's more intuition.

I think Moshiri is and was holding his nose, while appointing Allardyce, viewing it as a necessary evil in the short term. If that is the case, I disagree with him but I can understand it.

Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: We've turned the club around
Post by: Lxxx on February 25, 2018, 05:14:21 PM
I appreciate the olive branch but I suspect we're still in disagreement, broadly speaking. I don't think the plan was ever to keep Allardyce beyond this season. I don't have an overwhelming body of evidence to support that. It's more intuition.

I think Moshiri is and was holding his nose, while appointing Allardyce, viewing it as a necessary evil in the short term. If that is the case, I disagree with him but I can understand it.



My only concern is that on past evidence he doesn't look like he's a great fan of due diligence, to make sure the next appointment is a good fit for the club for the short and medium term. Which is surprising for an accountant used to conducting large financial transactions. 
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: We've turned the club around
Post by: AllyBlue14 on February 25, 2018, 05:19:59 PM
I appreciate the olive branch but I suspect we're still in disagreement, broadly speaking. I don't think the plan was ever to keep Allardyce beyond this season. I don't have an overwhelming body of evidence to support that. It's more intuition.

I think Moshiri is and was holding his nose, while appointing Allardyce, viewing it as a necessary evil in the short term. If that is the case, I disagree with him but I can understand it.


I agree pretty much entirely, right up until the last point. I think we were in such a mess after the Southampton game that once it became apparent we weren't going to get Silva, appointing Allardyce became a necessity. Personally, I was against Silva anyway as I don't think he'd really given much cause for believing that he could stop the rot, particularly defensively.

If results/performances don't turn around, it then becomes a question of how long we keep Allardyce. Sack him and bring in someone else for the short-term or hold on and wait for someone who could hopefully stick around longer (assuming they're not already available). That's my only real allegiance to Sam at the moment - there's no point binning him off and then bumbling around starting the manager search from scratch again.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: We've turned the club around
Post by: Lxxx on February 25, 2018, 05:25:38 PM
I agree pretty much entirely, right up until the last point. I think we were in such a mess after the Southampton game that once it became apparent we weren't going to get Silva, appointing Allardyce became a necessity. Personally, I was against Silva anyway as I don't think he'd really given much cause for believing that he could stop the rot, particularly defensively.

If results/performances don't turn around, it then becomes a question of how long we keep Allardyce. Sack him and bring in someone else for the short-term or hold on and wait for someone who could hopefully stick around longer (assuming they're not already available). That's my only real allegiance to Sam at the moment - there's no point binning him off and then bumbling around starting the manager search from scratch again.

Agreed. No point in binning him now, even though we'd like to. It'd send out the wrong message to everyone that we are even more of a joke than we are. We need to maintain some kind of respectability and we're not getting relegated, so suck it up until the end of the season and use these next few months wisely to conduct a proper search and conduct a thorough interview process at the end of the season. For both the DoF and manager's positions.

None of this chasing manager's based on name, like Koeman, or appointing in panic, like Allardyce. Or without any reasoning other than a hunch, like Walsh.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: We've turned the club around
Post by: Tinga on February 25, 2018, 05:28:15 PM
Nah you're just turning fans away, haven't watched Everton for a few weeks now and probably wont until he's gone.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: We've turned the club around
Post by: Escla on February 25, 2018, 05:45:27 PM
Nah you're just turning fans away, haven't watched Everton for a few weeks now and probably wont until he's gone.

Yet every home game has been and will be a sell out, away tickets mostly impossible to get unless you are an ST holder with at least ten credits.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: We've turned the club around
Post by: TheRam on February 25, 2018, 05:55:00 PM
Yet every home game has been and will be a sell out, away tickets mostly impossible to get unless you are an ST holder with at least ten credits.

There always empty seats though.

A lot of ST holders seem to have packed it in.

I know a few by me who have jibbed it.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: We've turned the club around
Post by: Escla on February 25, 2018, 06:02:48 PM
There always empty seats though.

A lot of ST holders seem to have packed it in.

I know a few by me who have jibbed it.
Thatís also true, a couple near me been empty a while, donít know why they donít put them on stub hub.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: We've turned the club around
Post by: AllyBlue14 on February 25, 2018, 06:04:15 PM
Nah you're just turning fans away, haven't watched Everton for a few weeks now and probably wont until he's gone.

So who do we appoint as our 4th manager this season?
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: We've turned the club around
Post by: Jimmywhack on February 25, 2018, 06:11:32 PM
That's also true, a couple near me been empty a while, don't know why they don't put them on stub hub.
My mates put his up last three games and it's not sold
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: We've turned the club around
Post by: gizzblue on February 25, 2018, 06:26:51 PM
Wonder how bad Sam being here next year would affect season ticket sales ....if people are fucked off now ...that prospect would damage the future .
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: We've turned the club around
Post by: blue1948 on February 25, 2018, 07:00:47 PM
To quote the film, Vanilla Sky, 'every passing minute is another chance to turn it all around'.

And I agree with that. There's no such thing as being doomed, in my view. Essentially you just need to start making better decisions from now, and that applies equally to a person's life or running a club.

We're not resigned to our fate. We just need to start making better decisions and this season can be viewed as a crazy aberration, and nothing more. Lots of clubs have had awful seasons and terrible managerial appointments and then quickly reversed it and left it behind them.

We need to view it like that, quite dispassionately.

Fuck me what would you write if we were in the bottom three ? I was close to ending it all reading this.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: We've turned the club around
Post by: Rodenplav64 on February 25, 2018, 07:03:40 PM
Nah you're just turning fans away, haven't watched Everton for a few weeks now and probably wont until he's gone.

I was looking at coming up for the Brighton game with my mate who supports them . Couldn't get tickets near each other , 600 mile round trip , hotel and beer for a couple of nights . Phone my mate and said I can't be arsed we should wait till next season if you stay up . Hopefully Allardyce is gone and it will be worth the outlay .
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: We've turned the club around
Post by: Lxxx on February 25, 2018, 07:11:01 PM
I was looking at coming up for the Brighton game with my mate who supports them . Couldn't get tickets near each other , 600 mile round trip , hotel and beer for a couple of nights . Phone my mate and said I can't be arsed we should wait till next season if you stay up . Hopefully Allardyce is gone and it will be worth the outlay .

Similar here. My mate texted me last night and said do I fancy travelling over to Liverpool for a game and a night out before the end of the season. Told him I'm up for a night out but can bin the game off till next season.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: We've turned the club around
Post by: Jimmywhack on February 25, 2018, 07:21:23 PM
Similar here. My mate texted me last night and said do I fancy travelling over to Liverpool for a game and a night out before the end of the season. Told him I'm up for a night out but can bin the game off till next season.
Probs best for both of you, Do the night out, do the pre game stuff down county road or wherever then swerve the game
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: We've turned the club around
Post by: brap2 on February 25, 2018, 07:39:34 PM
I watched it with a gang of kopites it was fucking grim. They could barely believe how boring we are. Need aba 6 first team players.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: We've turned the club around
Post by: dunkster on February 25, 2018, 07:59:11 PM
The question I'm constantly asking myself lately is whether a different manager could totally transform these players and tactics and have us play great football...or... Are our players simply very very shit?
Because to be perfectly honest I'm not convinced there's more than half dozen players I'd keep.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: We've turned the club around
Post by: Rodenplav64 on February 25, 2018, 08:15:32 PM
The question I'm constantly asking myself lately is whether a different manager could totally transform these players and tactics and have us play great football...or... Are our players simply very very shit?
Because to be perfectly honest I'm not convinced there's more than half dozen players I'd keep.
Well Martinez season 1 sort of nails that one . There is no future with Allardyce , no style , no legacy . There are plenty of Managers out there who have developed players without massive outlays but they need time . Moshiri should accept as the fans should that 6th season 1 is just not going to happen now that everyone has more money . I think most fans would be happy to see a style develop at the club rather than just chucking money at players and Managers and ending up like Villa or Sunderland .
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: We've turned the club around
Post by: blueToffee on February 25, 2018, 08:18:07 PM
Almost everything comes back to recruitment. As a simple example, had we kept or adequately replaced Lukaku we'd be closer to Arsenal rather than hanging around trying to claw our way to 40 points. It wouldn't really have mattered who was in charge.

Some players we've brought in are ok, but we haven't bought any that lift us to a better level. To put it another way, we've not identified talent that any of the top teams would try and poach from us. That is us failing in recruitment and it leads to mediocrity at best. During both Moyes era and Martinez's "era" I was always a little concerned a couple of players would be snapped up. However perhaps with the exception of Coleman, maybe Davies there is nobody anymore I'd be bothered by us losing. In fact, almost the opposite as I want a lot of the players out of the door.

Recruitment is our single biggest issue right now. Albeit followed closely by the manger.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: We've turned the club around
Post by: Lxxx on February 25, 2018, 08:28:13 PM
Almost everything comes back to recruitment. As a simple example, had we kept or adequately replaced Lukaku we'd be closer to Arsenal rather than hanging around trying to claw our way to 40 points. It wouldn't really have mattered who was in charge.

Some players we've brought in are ok, but we haven't bought any that lift us to a better level. To put it another way, we've not identified talent that any of the top teams would try and poach from us. That is us failing in recruitment and it leads to mediocrity at best. During both Moyes era and Martinez's "era" I was always a little concerned a couple of players would be snapped up. However perhaps with the exception of Coleman, maybe Davies there is nobody anymore I'd be bothered by us losing. In fact, almost the opposite as I want a lot of the players out of the door.

Recruitment is our single biggest issue right now. Albeit followed closely by the manger.

We had a strategy back then though, we bought players in the main not good enough for the top clubs but who had the potential to be, partly down to money but it seemed to work for us and where we were in the pecking order. Now we just buy players the top clubs don't or wouldn't want anyway and the ones who might fall into our previous criteria we don't invest in and play.

Need a top down cleaning of house but before we do that we need to decide on what we are and what we're aiming to achieve, to recruit players and managers who want to be here for footballing reasons and not just the money.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: We've turned the club around
Post by: Bluedylan on February 25, 2018, 08:57:21 PM
Fuck me what would you write if we were in the bottom three ? I was close to ending it all reading this.

Not sure you've understood it, in that case.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: We've turned the club around
Post by: Escla on February 25, 2018, 09:28:39 PM
Not sure you've understood it, in that case.

Yeah, I read it as being quite upbeat, hope where there is despair etc.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: We've turned the club around
Post by: sam of the south on February 25, 2018, 09:30:25 PM
To quote the film, Vanilla Sky, 'every passing minute is another chance to turn it all around'.

And I agree with that. There's no such thing as being doomed, in my view. Essentially you just need to start making better decisions from now, and that applies equally to a person's life or running a club.

We're not resigned to our fate. We just need to start making better decisions and this season can be viewed as a crazy aberration, and nothing more. Lots of clubs have had awful seasons and terrible managerial appointments and then quickly reversed it and left it behind them.

We need to view it like that, quite dispassionately.

This is all true from you, as usual, mate, but we have to hope that Moshiri can see it.

The only evidence of his decisions so far are:

Sack Martinez ✅
Hire Walsh ❌
Hire Koeman ❌
Sack Koeman ✅
Give it to Unsworth (with no back-up plan) ❌
Hire Allardyce ❌

So, in my opinion, his decisions have been mainly poor.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: We've turned the club around
Post by: Bluedylan on February 25, 2018, 09:59:43 PM
Yeah, I read it as being quite upbeat, hope where there is despair etc.

That was the intention.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: We've turned the club around
Post by: Bluedylan on February 25, 2018, 10:00:39 PM
This is all true from you, as usual, mate, but we have to hope that Moshiri can see it.

The only evidence of his decisions so far are:

Sack Martinez ✅
Hire Walsh ❌
Hire Koeman ❌
Sack Koeman ✅
Give it to Unsworth (with no back-up plan) ❌
Hire Allardyce ❌

So, in my opinion, his decisions have been mainly poor.

Aye
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: We've turned the club around
Post by: sam of the south on February 25, 2018, 10:08:05 PM
I watched it with a gang of kopites it was fucking grim. They could barely believe how boring we are. Need aba 6 first team players.

Christ, I donít know how you could do that.

Apart from incidental situations at family get togethers, the last time I intentionally watched Everton with RS was the Ď86 Cup Final with my grandad, uncle, and cousins (all RS) and even then it wasnít my decision because I was just a nipper.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: We've turned the club around
Post by: MarcusFenix on February 26, 2018, 12:15:43 AM
There is also an excellent article entitled 25 next Generation coaches but I think I will start another thread to discuss those on the list . Any of them would require a bit of forward thinking but those at the helm of our club don't seem to have any .

I was thinking about how Koeman got sacked and how we ended up with Allardyce. Blind panic from the board in the end but it got me thinking about the process of recruitment.

Moshiri and Kenwright should have a clear strategy in mind how they move the club forward and they need to appoint a DOF inline with this strategy. Then Moshiri, Kenwright and new DOF should start looking at coaches who fit that strategy. In the long term they would have an eye of 2 or 3 new coaches who with more experience could make that step up to coaching the PL footballers and their massive ego's.

If you think in Formula 1 all the big teams have a smaller feeder team where they blood their new drivers and see if they can hack it in the big team. This is how we should do it in terms of the coaches. Identify those potential coaches who show exceptional ability early on in their coaching careers and make arrangements with their clubs to have first option on the coach. Maybe pay a fee to keep the smaller club happy and at the same time have a dialogue with the coach and tell them if they develop in the right way that in 2 or 3 years they could be first team coach at Everton with the best possible players that we can buy and look to develop these players into a genuinely good football team.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: We've turned the club around
Post by: Rodenplav64 on February 26, 2018, 03:52:31 PM
I was thinking about how Koeman got sacked and how we ended up with Allardyce. Blind panic from the board in the end but it got me thinking about the process of recruitment.

Moshiri and Kenwright should have a clear strategy in mind how they move the club forward and they need to appoint a DOF inline with this strategy. Then Moshiri, Kenwright and new DOF should start looking at coaches who fit that strategy. In the long term they would have an eye of 2 or 3 new coaches who with more experience could make that step up to coaching the PL footballers and their massive ego's.

If you think in Formula 1 all the big teams have a smaller feeder team where they blood their new drivers and see if they can hack it in the big team. This is how we should do it in terms of the coaches. Identify those potential coaches who show exceptional ability early on in their coaching careers and make arrangements with their clubs to have first option on the coach. Maybe pay a fee to keep the smaller club happy and at the same time have a dialogue with the coach and tell them if they develop in the right way that in 2 or 3 years they could be first team coach at Everton with the best possible players that we can buy and look to develop these players into a genuinely good football team.

I think that's what Red Bull have done with their ownership of Leipzig and Salzburg . They also have feeder teams in Ghana and Brazil and I think we had Home Farm Everton . Forward thinking requires forward thinking people . Moshiri has Walsh and Allardyce and Kenwright is emotionally attached to his scarf , rattle and the boys pen .
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: We've turned the club around
Post by: winny5366 on March 04, 2018, 12:48:37 AM
I was thinking about how Koeman got sacked and how we ended up with Allardyce. Blind panic from the board in the end but it got me thinking about the process of recruitment.

Moshiri and Kenwright should have a clear strategy in mind how they move the club forward and they need to appoint a DOF inline with this strategy. Then Moshiri, Kenwright and new DOF should start looking at coaches who fit that strategy. In the long term they would have an eye of 2 or 3 new coaches who with more experience could make that step up to coaching the PL footballers and their massive ego's.

If you think in Formula 1 all the big teams have a smaller feeder team where they blood their new drivers and see if they can hack it in the big team. This is how we should do it in terms of the coaches. Identify those potential coaches who show exceptional ability early on in their coaching careers and make arrangements with their clubs to have first option on the coach. Maybe pay a fee to keep the smaller club happy and at the same time have a dialogue with the coach and tell them if they develop in the right way that in 2 or 3 years they could be first team coach at Everton with the best possible players that we can buy and look to develop these players into a genuinely good football team.
Totally agree with you.
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: We've turned the club around
Post by: SANA_DR0 on March 04, 2018, 02:34:35 AM
i think he was misquoted.

the original statement said 'i've turned the club upside down.'
Title: Re: [News]Allardyce: We've turned the club around
Post by: Nick on March 04, 2018, 03:19:49 AM
That's a relief.

Thanks Sam.