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Title: 25 Next Generation Coaches
Post by: Rodenplav64 on February 25, 2018, 04:49:04 PM
If we want to move forward then probably each and every person on this list would see Everton as an opportunity they couldn't afford to turn down .

Guiellermo ALMADA - Barcelona ( The Ecuadorian one )
Ludovic BATELLI - Lens
Manuel BAUM - Augsburg
Miguel CARDOSO - Rio Aves
Sergio CONCEICOA ( Conshaycow according to Motty ) - FC Porto
Luigi Di BIAGIO - Italy U23 and Temporary national team .
Paulo FONSECA - Shakhtar Donetsk
Ricardo GARECA - Peru National Team
Asier GARITANO - Leganes
Ariel HOLAN - Independiente
Adi HUTER - Young Boys Bern
Niko KOVAC - Eintracht Frankfurt
Thierry LAURY - Strasbourg
Razvan LUCESCU - PAOK Salonika
Jose MENDILIBAR - Eibar
Julian NAGELSMANN - Hoffenheim
Massimo ODDO - Uddinese
Sunday OLISEH - FC Eupen
PEPA - Tondela
Willy SAGNOL - Bordeaux
Maurizio SARRI - Napoli
Maurice STEIJN - VV Venlo
Juan Carlos UNZUE - Celta Vigo
Michael VAN DER GAAG - Excelsior
Patrick VIEIRA - New York Red Bulls


There are some real achievements and some real potential in there . Maybe Mosh should have read this instead of wasting time on Allardyces Book " Football in the dark ages " .
Title: Re: 25 Next Generation Coaches
Post by: Gash on February 26, 2018, 03:33:23 AM
Surprised Vieira's never tried to get to a better level of coaching.
Title: Re: 25 Next Generation Coaches
Post by: Evertonian in NC on February 26, 2018, 03:35:59 AM
Yes!  There's a new Porto Guy!
Title: Re: 25 Next Generation Coaches
Post by: TheRam on February 26, 2018, 05:03:15 AM
Willy Sagnol please with bixente lizarazu as assistant.

In all seriousness Sarri and Fonseca are the two names we should be going for off that list.

Obviously Sarri is an ambitious shout and I can see him going to Chelsea or Arsenal.

The football shaktar and Napoli have been playing this season is everything the modern game is about. I'd love us to get playing like that one day.
Title: Re: 25 Next Generation Coaches
Post by: bluenuck on February 26, 2018, 12:36:32 PM
I gotta admit Nagelsmann would be pretty awesome. The guys 30 years old.

Kovac is working a miracle right now, too.

I find these Bundesliga coaches so tactically sound, aggressive, and forward thinking. I'd love for one to be our next coach.

Bundesliga is One of the best leagues to watch because of it.
Title: Re: 25 Next Generation Coaches
Post by: dekko on February 26, 2018, 02:34:36 PM
Paulo Fonseca
Title: Re: 25 Next Generation Coaches
Post by: Hawkandro on February 26, 2018, 02:45:00 PM
Someone on Twitter threw out Arteta's name as a potential. Not sure if too soon, but would be interesting.
Title: Re: 25 Next Generation Coaches
Post by: Audrey Horne on February 26, 2018, 03:12:30 PM
Got my heart set on Fonseca.
Title: Re: 25 Next Generation Coaches
Post by: Makis on February 26, 2018, 03:23:04 PM
Most of those names are nowhere near the level required. They have shown some promise but that's all.
Title: Re: 25 Next Generation Coaches
Post by: Rodenplav64 on February 26, 2018, 03:41:54 PM
Most of those names are nowhere near the level required. They have shown some promise but that's all.

Yes I just copied the list and obviously some of them are just starting out and nowhere near the required level . However at the start of last season that applied to Nagelsmann and now he is heavily linked with Bayern . I also think I would take the guy from Barcelona in Ecuador over Allardyce .
Title: Re: 25 Next Generation Coaches
Post by: Liam on February 26, 2018, 03:42:22 PM
Surprised Vieira's never tried to get to a better level of coaching.

Being groomed for the Man City Job when pep leaves I reckon
Title: Re: 25 Next Generation Coaches
Post by: Rodenplav64 on February 26, 2018, 04:01:36 PM
Being groomed for the Man City Job when pep leaves I reckon

I agree . I think City are setting up a bit of a dynasty as the clubs are owned by the same interests it seems likely . You could see Vieira to City , Arteta to NY for instance .
Title: Re: 25 Next Generation Coaches
Post by: Mick 1995 on February 26, 2018, 04:18:09 PM
I agree . I think City are setting up a bit of a dynasty as the clubs are owned by the same interests it seems likely . You could see Vieira to City , Arteta to NY for instance .

Think there will need to be a middle club somewhere to make that work.
But agree the principle is probably there.

Coach at City
Manage NYRB
Try and cut your teeth properly somewhere decent in Europe
Manage City
Title: Re: 25 Next Generation Coaches
Post by: MmmblueBernard on February 26, 2018, 04:23:26 PM
Distinct lack of UK & Ireland representatives on the list. Begs the question who should be on it.
Title: Re: 25 Next Generation Coaches
Post by: Paddockoldie on February 26, 2018, 04:26:22 PM
I think any unproven manager is a risk but sometimes you've got to take chances. Koeman, Martinez and Allardyce have experience but look at what they provided? I think Nagelsman would do okay here but would be take the chance with us?
Title: Re: 25 Next Generation Coaches
Post by: TheRam on February 26, 2018, 04:38:05 PM
Isn't Viera doing awful at New York?
Title: Re: 25 Next Generation Coaches
Post by: Rodenplav64 on February 26, 2018, 05:47:27 PM
Isn't Viera doing awful at New York?

They finished bottom in 2014/15 , 8th in 2015/16 and 2nd in 2016/17 . Vieira only took over in Jan 2016 so I think he has done OK without really knowing if it is just investment or him that has made the difference.
Title: Re: 25 Next Generation Coaches
Post by: Rodenplav64 on February 26, 2018, 05:49:25 PM
I think any unproven manager is a risk but sometimes you've got to take chances. Koeman, Martinez and Allardyce have experience but look at what they provided? I think Nagelsman would do okay here but would be take the chance with us?

There can't be too many managers on £6M but it would be a question of whether they wanted to try but risk crashing ( as is likely with our current set up ) and wrecking their CV .
Title: Re: 25 Next Generation Coaches
Post by: kramer0 on February 26, 2018, 06:54:12 PM
I'm surprised Domenico Tedesco isn't on there. He's doing a great job with Schalke this season. I loved this interview:

https://spielverlagerung.com/2017/12/02/interview-with-schalke-head-coach-domenico-tedesco/ (https://spielverlagerung.com/2017/12/02/interview-with-schalke-head-coach-domenico-tedesco/)

Looks like another brilliant find from Christian Heidel (who appointed Tuchel and Klopp (yeah, I know) at Mainz).
Title: Re: 25 Next Generation Coaches
Post by: Bluenose 91 on February 26, 2018, 07:27:03 PM
You'd like to think we'd be in for a coach like some of the names mentioned here.

We were after Fonseca so there is hope that's the sort of manager we're looking for.

Just got a horrible feeling we'll end up going ''Prem proven'' again though with the likes of a Benitez, Howe etc
Title: Re: 25 Next Generation Coaches
Post by: Rodenplav64 on February 26, 2018, 09:09:41 PM
I'm surprised Domenico Tedesco isn't on there. He's doing a great job with Schalke this season. I loved this interview:

https://spielverlagerung.com/2017/12/02/interview-with-schalke-head-coach-domenico-tedesco/ (https://spielverlagerung.com/2017/12/02/interview-with-schalke-head-coach-domenico-tedesco/)

Looks like another brilliant find from Christian Heidel (who appointed Tuchel and Klopp (yeah, I know) at Mainz).

That's an interesting interview . I would just love to see the look on Ashley Williams face as the art of defending for the benefit of the team is explained to him .
Title: Re: 25 Next Generation Coaches
Post by: Rodenplav64 on February 26, 2018, 09:10:43 PM
You'd like to think we'd be in for a coach like some of the names mentioned here.

We were after Fonseca so there is hope that's the sort of manager we're looking for.

Just got a horrible feeling we'll end up going ''Prem proven'' again though with the likes of a Benitez, Howe etc

Yet so few Managers have actually not proven anything other than an ability to survive in the Prem .
Title: Re: 25 Next Generation Coaches
Post by: Bluenose 91 on February 26, 2018, 09:11:59 PM
Yet so few Managers have actually proven anything other than an ability to survive in the Prem .

Yeah it's pretty much a split between top level coaches we could never get and then the relegation fighting plodders at the bottom.

Got to take a punt haven't we?
Title: Re: 25 Next Generation Coaches
Post by: Rodenplav64 on February 26, 2018, 09:26:13 PM
Yeah it's pretty much a split between top level coaches we could never get and then the relegation fighting plodders at the bottom.

Got to take a punt haven't we?

The blind are leading the blind though and I can't see it getting any better in the short term .
Title: Re: 25 Next Generation Coaches
Post by: Bluenose 91 on February 26, 2018, 09:27:49 PM
The blind are leading the blind though and I can't see it getting any better in the short term .

The next appointment will give us a big clue as to whether Moshiri has any idea at all what he's doing.
Title: Re: 25 Next Generation Coaches
Post by: D15TIN on February 26, 2018, 09:39:01 PM
Just no more Eddie fucking Howe shouts please.
Title: Re: 25 Next Generation Coaches
Post by: Hawkandro on February 26, 2018, 09:52:21 PM
The next appointment will give us a big clue as to whether Moshiri has any idea at all what he's doing.

#WelcomeDyche #WelcomeAshleyBarnes
Title: Re: 25 Next Generation Coaches
Post by: Frevski on February 27, 2018, 01:27:38 AM
Anyone looked at Graham Potter
Title: Re: 25 Next Generation Coaches
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on February 27, 2018, 04:23:22 AM
Anyone looked at Graham Potter

Not my type.
Title: Re: 25 Next Generation Coaches
Post by: Thornton_19 on February 27, 2018, 05:05:43 AM
Anyone looked at Graham Potter
I really like what he has done at Östersunds. Here is a cool article about him.

https://www.coachesvoice.com/outliers/

For his Mangerial career I hope he avoids the UK and stays in Europe for a while though. He wouldn't get the time of day in England (from the he has never done it at a proper team brigade). He needs pedigree elsewhere first sadly as I think he would be a good management choice for a Championship side at the moment.

I could see him moving to Bundesliga 2 or maybe the Dutch league next, and being a success.
Title: Re: 25 Next Generation Coaches
Post by: brap2 on February 27, 2018, 05:08:13 AM
Cannot wait til Arteta rocks up back at Goodison Park, hair blacker than ever.
Title: Re: 25 Next Generation Coaches
Post by: Tony Clifton on February 27, 2018, 05:14:40 AM
Anyone looked at Graham Potter

Barely heard of him, but we could do with a wizard...  so, if he's any relation to Harry, I'm in.

Nah, I reckon Silva's nailed on.  If I'm wrong, then I wouldn't be surprised if we go complete fuckwit (again) and end up waiting on someone who does ok at the WC.  Hope I'm wrong on both though.  Unless we're talking Martinez and he's won the fucker with that bastard bunch of Belgian's. ;D
Title: Re: 25 Next Generation Coaches
Post by: Tony Clifton on February 27, 2018, 05:17:30 AM
Cannot wait til Arteta rocks up back at Goodison Park, hair blacker than ever.

Would be very nice if he was the man to sort us out and get us moving forward.  He'd without doubt have some very good, positive, actual football ideas.
Title: Re: 25 Next Generation Coaches
Post by: Rodenplav64 on February 27, 2018, 02:11:12 PM
Would be very nice if he was the man to sort us out and get us moving forward.  He'd without doubt have some very good, positive, actual football ideas.

I think after Allardyce the fans would be a bit more forgiving of a Manager who was just that .
Title: Re: 25 Next Generation Coaches
Post by: Mick 1995 on February 27, 2018, 03:40:06 PM
Word on the street is that "influential figures" at the club pushed for Arteta last October.

And by 'word' i mean one tweet from O'Keeffe:

https://twitter.com/GregOK/status/968400015335899137

Title: Re: 25 Next Generation Coaches
Post by: Outworlder47 on February 28, 2018, 01:08:32 AM
They finished bottom in 2014/15 , 8th in 2015/16 and 2nd in 2016/17 . Vieira only took over in Jan 2016 so I think he has done OK without really knowing if it is just investment or him that has made the difference.

Not quite correct. MLS has a weird structure where the overall points leader gets an otherwise meaningless trophy, as the title is awarded after a postseason knockout tournament. The top six sides from the Eastern and Western Conferences make the playoffs.

NYCFC started in 2015 (here in America, the season runs from March through October, with the playoff final at the beginning of December). They finished 17th of 20 teams. Their manager was sacked, Vieira replaced him, and they improved to 4th of 20 in 2016, qualifying 2nd out of the Eastern Conference. They lost their playoff tie 7-0 on aggregate to runners-up Toronto FC. Of note, their defense was much the same, but they scored about 25% more goals.

They again finished 2nd in the Eastern Conference in 2017 under Vieira, this time with a much better defensive record. They were 2nd in the overall points table, but again lost their first playoff tie after losing the first leg 4-1 (down 1-0 before a red card).

A lot of the improvement from 2015 to 2016 came from Frank Lampard scoring 12 in 19. The defensive improvement from 2016 into 2017 is harder to track, but maybe that comes from not playing Pirlo+Lampard together in midfield.

The main problem with MLS, and what makes it so hard to gauge, is that it's run by retirees from Europe and League One-standard players. (Bradley Wright-Phillips won the Golden Boot in 2016.) I expect NYCFC won't have the same success this season. Pirlo retired, and Jack Harrison was bought by City, leaving them an aging David Villa and not much else in attacking positions.
Title: Re: 25 Next Generation Coaches
Post by: TheRam on February 28, 2018, 06:50:14 PM
http://www.espn.co.uk/football/blog/marcottis-musings/62/post/3215575/man-city-vulnerable-to-dense-defending-as-shown-by-shakhtar-donetsk

An article of how Fonseca got the better of pep

https://theback3.wordpress.com/2017/06/14/paulo-fonseca-a-man-of-style-and-maybe-europes-next-coaching-commodity/

Another one detailing his approach tactically
Title: Re: 25 Next Generation Coaches
Post by: Bluenose 91 on February 28, 2018, 07:14:11 PM
He's the man for me.
Title: Re: 25 Next Generation Coaches
Post by: brap2 on February 28, 2018, 07:21:45 PM
He's the man for me.

Me too, think we’ll have to buy a few players in order to make it work though.
Title: Re: 25 Next Generation Coaches
Post by: Bluenose 91 on February 28, 2018, 07:35:44 PM
Me too, think we’ll have to buy a few players in order to make it work though.

Yeah definitely.

Would probably be a fairly slow start to his time here as well but I think if there was a clear plan of what he was doing and a more attack minded approach he'd get time from the fans.
Title: Re: 25 Next Generation Coaches
Post by: brap2 on February 28, 2018, 07:54:48 PM
Pickford

Coleman Keane De Vrij Baines

Gana Nzonzi
   

Walcott Davies Promes

Tosun



NB: Davies/Rooney/Sigurdsson interchangeable

Title: Re: 25 Next Generation Coaches
Post by: piggypop on March 01, 2018, 12:56:16 AM
Yeah definitely.

Would probably be a fairly slow start to his time here as well but I think if there was a clear plan of what he was doing and a more attack minded approach he'd get time from the fans.
I think the time of any manager getting time from the fans has gone.
Title: Re: 25 Next Generation Coaches
Post by: blue slug on March 01, 2018, 12:59:37 AM
Can he bring Fred with him too
Title: Re: 25 Next Generation Coaches
Post by: Jimmywhack on March 01, 2018, 01:01:08 AM
I think the time of any manager getting time from the fans has gone.
If it was fonseca I think he'd be given time cos of what he has done elsewhere

Allardyce has been given no shrift cos he's done fuck all his entire life. His arrogance because of winning the not got relegated Cup every is astounding
Title: Re: 25 Next Generation Coaches
Post by: piggypop on March 01, 2018, 01:02:19 AM
If it was fonseca I think he'd be given time cos of what he has done elsewhere

Allardyce has been given no shrift cos he's done fuck all his entire life. His arrogance because of winning the not got relegated Cup every is astounding
Maybe. I just think if we lost the first couple of games, the usual gobshites would be out in force immediately.
Title: Re: 25 Next Generation Coaches
Post by: Jimmywhack on March 01, 2018, 01:04:43 AM
Maybe. I just think if we lost the first couple of games, the usual gobshites would be out in force immediately.
Maybe but I think, well I'd like to think, that people realise how big a job he has and if he gets us playing with a set tactic and style he'd get a bit of time
Title: Re: 25 Next Generation Coaches
Post by: piggypop on March 01, 2018, 01:07:59 AM
Maybe but I think, well I'd like to think, that people realise how big a job he has and if he gets us playing with a set tactic and style he'd get a bit of time
I think most of us just want some coherent style that involves shots on goal. Even with fonseca being available,  it's likely that Silva will still be in the picture. Some people have already written him off as Martinez MkII. I just wonder that any goal conceded would see him written off.

It's odd. After all the shite this season, it's hard to have faith on anything.
Title: Re: 25 Next Generation Coaches
Post by: Jimmywhack on March 01, 2018, 01:10:32 AM
I think most of us just want some coherent style that involves shots on goal. Even with fonseca being available,  it's likely that Silva will still be in the picture. Some people have already written him off as Martinez MkII. I just wonder that any goal conceded would see him written off.

It's odd. After all the shite this season, it's hard to have faith on anything.
Yeah, a system, a style, an attacking unit but a team that can play away too... Be nice wouldn't it
Title: Re: 25 Next Generation Coaches
Post by: Frevski on March 01, 2018, 01:16:42 AM
I think it's a balance, we gave Roberto more time because he was likeable, Ronald got more than time compared to what other clubs would  but Sam has shown such a lack of attractive attacking football and such a lack of loyalty to his players and the club it has us calling for him gone sooner
Title: Re: 25 Next Generation Coaches
Post by: Rodenplav64 on March 01, 2018, 03:07:44 AM
Maybe. I just think if we lost the first couple of games, the usual gobshites would be out in force immediately.

Personally I think under Martinez we had a go at the big teams and got some good results . Koeman seemed to surrender most of them which I found a bit annoying as we beat City and Arsenal at one point but then got hammered by Chelsea and Arsenal waving a white flag . The football was dire under Koeman and got worse as the season went on . No surprise ten that there was no patience with him after all the spending led to a massive backward step . I would prefer to try and forget Allardyce already .