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Title: What to do with our current squad
Post by: SANA_DR0 on March 04, 2018, 06:51:47 PM
We have so many players,some great youth coming through, some dead weights.. which do you think deserve to be here next season, or which do you think have long term futures with us.



Goalkeepers             Nationality           Contract Expires    Status                                  what to do!

1    Jordan Pickford    England         June 2022                                             First team starter                           
22    Maarten Stekelenburg    Netherlands    June 2019                                 Sell
33    Joel Robles               Spain    June 2018                                                  Free   
 
Defenders    Nationality    Contract Expires    Status

3    Leighton Baines    England    June 2019                                               Squad player
4    Michael Keane    England    June 2022                                                            squad player/first team
5    Ashley Williams    Wales    June 2019                                                  Sell
6    Phil Jagielka    England    June 2019                                                          squad/backroom staff?                                       
13    Eliaquim Mangala    France    June 2018    On Loan Injured                    send him back
15    Cuco Martina    Curacao    June 2020                                                          free transfer/sell
23    Seamus Coleman    Ireland    June 2022                                                  first team
25    Ramiro Funes Mori    Argentina    June 2020                                          Squad player/maybe first team
30    Mason Holgate    England    June 2022                                                   First team/future prospect
36    Luke Garbutt    England    June 2020                                                           reserve player/sell if replacement found
43    Jonjoe Kenny    England    June 2022                                                           Squad/first team
 
Midfielders    Nationality    Contract Expires    Status
 
2    Morgan Schneiderlin    France    June 2021                                          SELL SELL SELL
16    James McCarthy    Ireland    June 2020    Injured                                     Squad player
17    Idrissa Gana Gueye    Senegal    June 2022                                            First team
18    Gylfi Sigurdsson    Iceland    June 2022                                                    First team
20    Davy Klaassen    Netherlands    June 2022                                           Squad
26    Tom Davies    England    June 2022                                                            First team
27    Nikola Vlasic    Croatia    June 2022                                                           Squad
54    Beni Baningime    DR Congo    June 2020                                             youth player with great prospects
 
Forwards    Nationality    Contract Expires    Status

7    Yannick Bolasie    DR Congo    June 2021                                            SELL SELL SELL
10    Wayne Rooney    England    June 2019                                                      Squad
11    Theo Walcott    England    June 2021                                                             first team
14    Cenk Tosun    Turkey    June 2022                                                             First team
19    Oumar Niasse    Senegal    June 2020                                                              squad player
   Shani Tarashaj    Switzerland    June 2020                                             sell
29    Dominic Calvert-Lewin    England    June 2023                                             squad player/prospect
 
U23 Players    Nationality    Contract Expires    Status
38    Matty Foulds    England    June 2020    
39    Conor Grant    England    June 2018    
40    Sam Byrne    Ireland    June 2018    
41    Mateusz Hewelt    Poland    June 2019    
42    Josh Bowler    England    June 2019    
44    Bassala Sambou    Germany & England    June 2019    
47    Calum Dyson    England    June 2018    
48    Morgan Feeney    England    June 2018    
51    Antony Evans    England    June 2020    
53    David Henen    Belgium    June 2018    
55    Nathan Broadhead    England    June 2018    
56    Chris Renshaw    England    June 2019    
57    Lewis Gibson    England    June 2020    
58    Nathangelo Markelo    England    June 2020    
59    Jose Baxter    England    June 2020    
61    Alex Denny              
62    Daniel Bramall              
63    Shane Lavery              
65    Joe Hilton              
66    Con Ozounidis              
67    Fraser Hornby    Scotland         
68    Stephen Duke-McKenna              
69    Michael Collins              
70    Anthony Gordon              
 
Players Out On Loan    Nationality    Contract Expires    Destination                                 
9    Sandro Ramirez    Spain    June 2021    Sevilla                                                   Sell
11    Kevin Mirallas    Belgium    June 2020    Olympiakos                                                   Sell
28    Kieran Dowell    England    June 2019    Nottingham Forest                                 Squad player/prospect
31    Ademola Lookman    England    June 2021    RB Leipzig                                        Squad player/prospect
32    Brendan Galloway    England    June 2019    Sunderland                                        sell?
35    Callum Connolly    England    June 2019    Ipswich Town                                    squad player/prospect
37    Harry Charsley    England    June 2019    Bolton Wanderers                             Squad player/prospect
45    Louis Gray    Wales    June 2018    Carlisle United                                            ????
46    Joe Williams    England    June 2020    Barnsley                                                    squad player/prospect
49    Antonee Robinson    England    June 2019    Bolton Wanderers                             maybe first team player/propesct
60    Boris Mathis    France    June 2019    Northampton Town                                     squad/prospect
     Matthew Pennington    England    June 2019    Leeds United                                sell
   Tyias Browning    England    June 2019    Sunderland                                           sell
   Henry Onyekuru    England    June 2022    Anderlecht                                          future prospect





we only have a few first team players really for next season

                                    Pickford
Coleman          Holgate/keane/Mori         ??????

Walcott       Davies/Gueye/siggy           ??????

                            Tosun ?????


cant believe how fucked our squad is...what are your views?

sorry for the crap layout.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: blargins on March 04, 2018, 06:57:37 PM
Yeah, I'd sell a few, loan a few, and buy a few.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Cereal Killer on March 04, 2018, 07:10:22 PM
Burn them all, witches!!
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Thornton_19 on March 04, 2018, 07:16:34 PM
Hard to know what to do without a plan and vision in place.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: brap2 on March 04, 2018, 07:24:37 PM
I would say whether itís in the summer or more gradual, you need to move a lot on, leaving the team like this:
Pickford
Robles

Coleman  Keane*  Other  Other
Other      Holgate   FM      Baines
Kenny

Gana   Davies
McCarthy Other

Walcott         Sigurdsson    Lookman
Vlasic            Other            Henry

Tosun
Other
DCL

Thatís banking on keeping lookman, Henry & vlasic developing and tosun coming good.

*keane is absolute wank but I think heís better than heís showing.wouldnt be gutted if he went and we had two new cbs inside 12 months.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: sam of the south on March 04, 2018, 07:42:50 PM
I would say whether itís in the summer or more gradual, you need to move a lot on, leaving the team like this:
Pickford
Robles

Coleman  Keane*  Other  Other
Other      Holgate   FM      Baines
Kenny

Gana   Other
McCarthy Other

Walcott         Sigurdsson    Lookman
Vlasic            Other            Henry

Tosun
Other
DCL

Thatís banking on keeping lookman, Henry & vlasic developing and tosun coming good.

*keane is absolute wank but I think heís better than heís showing.wouldnt be gutted if he went and we had two new cbs inside 12 months.

Are you considering Tom Davies as Ďotherí, brap?
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: brap2 on March 04, 2018, 07:49:25 PM
Are you considering Tom Davies as ‘other’, brap?

I’ve bloody deleted him, fixing now.

Edit: right fixed, yeah build the team around him imo.

Pickford, Coleman, Gana, Davies, Walcott, Sig are all guarantees for the next phase.

Likely Lookman, Tosun as well.

Outside of that, we need quality throughout the pitch and in depth.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Goaljira on March 04, 2018, 07:52:48 PM
Pickford
-New-

Coleman  Holgate -New-  -New-
Kenny     Keane     Mori  Baines

Gana
-New-
Klaassen        Sigurdsson
Davies                -New-
Walcott                                    -New-
Vlasic                                 Lookman
Tosun
-New-
DCL

Loan out Baningime, Dowell and Robinson again next year.

Sell/Release the rest.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Goaljira on March 04, 2018, 07:54:31 PM
And i've only got Davies as sub because of the amount of games he's already played at such a young age.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on March 04, 2018, 08:01:34 PM
Coleman, Pickford, maybe Walcott if he hasn't reverted to type like, Sig....the rest just plant drugs on um..
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: brap2 on March 04, 2018, 08:03:51 PM
And i've only got Davies as sub because of the amount of games he's already played at such a young age.

Worry about our cmís in both our line ups pretty much what we have now which is nowhere near good enough. Truth is Davies will likely be sub/squad for a few years and we need a new, good cm ASAP
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Silas on March 04, 2018, 08:15:35 PM
Pickford

Coleman Holgate Jags Baines

Walcott Gueye Davies Bolasie

Sigurddsson

Tosun

Would be my current 11 but Coleman, Jags and Baines all need to be squad players at best very soon.

I would like to think Klaassen, Calvert Lewin, Keane and Lookman will have big roles to play in the future but I wouldn't put money on it. We really need a centre back and creative midfielder desperately.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Mayor Farnum on March 04, 2018, 08:24:02 PM
Interesting that all have included Tosun but for me he looked nothing special again yesterday.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: brap2 on March 04, 2018, 08:26:59 PM
Interesting that all have included Tosun but for me he looked nothing special again yesterday.

Didnít see the game properly to be fair, Iíve more put him in under the assumption he comes good. Heís got more goodwill in the bank because he hasnít had as much time to utterly disgrace himself as some of he others.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Mayor Farnum on March 04, 2018, 08:28:49 PM
Quite agree he deserves time but 27 million it just has another EFC fuck up written all over it.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: TheRam on March 04, 2018, 08:35:05 PM
Interesting that all have included Tosun but for me he looked nothing special again yesterday.

Looked good to me albeit nothing to write home about.

We've got to start giving these players time to bed in though.

Even Keane who I don't rate at all needs another season.

Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Mayor Farnum on March 04, 2018, 08:40:36 PM
Looked good to me albeit nothing to write home about.

We've got to start giving these players time to bed in though.

Even Keane who I don't rate at all needs another season.


I just don't see what he offers over and above your average forward. Not particularly pacy and not physical enough to impose himself on most centre halves. His finishing may be his strength but without any other attributes he will rely on the team creating for him. Best I think we can hope for is a reliable forward who will get 15 goals in a good season.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: SANA_DR0 on March 04, 2018, 08:55:49 PM
Quite agree he deserves time but 27 million it just has another EFC fuck up written all over it.


he is a goal scorer, a class finisher..the proof is in his goals v the some of the best teams in european competition

I just don't see what he offers over and above your average forward. Not particularly pacy and not physical enough to impose himself on most centre halves. His finishing may be his strength but without any other attributes he will rely on the team creating for him. Best I think we can hope for is a reliable forward who will get 15 goals in a good season.


he offers goals and clinical finishing, also has a sublime first touch.. he is not pacy nor is he that physically imposing as you rightly pointed out..
no point having up top on his own.. or 40 yards away from the rest of the attackers.. every striker isnt like lukaku.. i actually think DCL and Cenk would make a great 2 up top... just need 2 wingers, and attacking full backs.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Goaljira on March 04, 2018, 08:59:43 PM
I just don't see what he offers over and above your average forward. Not particularly pacy and not physical enough to impose himself on most centre halves. His finishing may be his strength but without any other attributes he will rely on the team creating for him. Best I think we can hope for is a reliable forward who will get 15 goals in a good season.


Sounds about right for what we paid then.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: brap2 on March 04, 2018, 08:59:53 PM
Itís generally bad practice to take one season as Ďproofí of a goal scorer, even worse if you are only taking one competition from one season, or one season in a non top league.

Fact is we just donít know, and he has some goodwill in the bank, very hard to say outside of that.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: toffee_scot on March 04, 2018, 09:03:59 PM
Goalkeepers:

Keeping Pickford is a no brainer. Robles is out of contract, he'd want more games which we can't guarantee so I'd release. Stekelenburg has one more year left, I actually think he's a decent keeper overall so I'd happily keep him.

Defenders:

Martina and Williams should not be at Everton, sell at the earliest opportunity. Mangala will likely return to Man City anyway. Jags has one more season as well as Baines so I'd keep them as a back up. Give Keane another season to sort himself out. The rest I'm happy to keep. We really need to invest in a good quality centre back and left back this summer.

Midfield:

Sell Schneiderlin at the earliest opportunity, he's turned into a bit of a parasite. If Besic does well at Boro then I'd contemplate giving him another chance at Everton. Sell Klaassen if we can, we've had 3 managers who showed little to no confidence in him. Develop Beningime further into a first team player and give Vlasic more playing time. We need to invest in a more creative midfielder or just someone who can make a good forward pass.

Forward:

I'm really not a fan at all of Bolasie so if we can sell him I'd be fine with it. Not sure what the situation is with Tarashaj, probably another loan or sell him. The rest of the players I would keep. If Lookman does well at Leipzig then he should feature more for Everton next season.

Other Players On Loan:

Sell Pennington and Mirallas, probably Browning and Galloway as well as they don't seem to be making much progress. Hopefully Dowell is ready for the Everton first team. The others could maybe do with another loan spell next season.

Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: kramer0 on March 04, 2018, 09:19:52 PM
I wouldnít care if we sold most of those players.

We have one of the most boring squads in the league and we paid a fuck ton for it. Embarrassing on so many levels.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: beyondblue on March 04, 2018, 09:20:43 PM
What we really "need" is half of a new team.

An issue that should now be all too obvious to football as a whole is that signing a large number of players at the same time does not work. The players can't all gel at once and few seem to have a long-term impact on the club.

It hasn't happened for us (why is another debate), it didn't work for Tottenham after selling Bale, it didn't work for QPR and it hasn't totally worked for AC either.

The club needs to get its off-pitch backroom signings in order before spending another £150m, throwing money at a problem which has been proven won't be fixed in this way. As much as it pains me to say, to keep any form of consistency and familiarity off the pitch going into next season, I think some of the deadwood should be kept on.

I'd love to see Robles, Martina, Williams, Garbutt, Schneiderlin, Mirallas, Besic, Niasse, Bolasie and all of the of the others taken to the scrap heap, but I don't think we can really afford to.

Next year we realistically need to focus on stabilising the team, getting some consistency back and aiming for 7-9th. £150m for a back-up goalie, left back, right back, centre back, centre mid, winger and couple of strikers all at once might isn't likely to achieve this.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Dr. Sponge on March 04, 2018, 09:48:13 PM
Form aside, I think our nucleus for next season is:

Pickford
Holgate
Coleman
Davies
Gueye
Lookman
Walcott
Sigurdson

Rooney occasionally but his legs are going. Not sure about Keane, Iíd like to see him alongside someone that isnít Williams.

The rest are too old now, too young, or too crap. Havenít made my mind up about Tosun yet, heís had some good moments but then been anonymous for large periods.

Weíre a bit spineless at the moment, both metaphorically and literally. We need a CB, CM playmaker dude, and a striker. Plus a left back.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Bluedylan on March 04, 2018, 09:56:29 PM
We'd have Messi playing long balls into the channels and looking ordinary, under the setup for the last few seasons.

I'm genuinely reluctant to judge a single one of them until we get a competent managerial team in with a clear, progressive direction.

Klaassen, for example, is clearly a very talented player and yet the few times we've seen him he looks like he's never seen a football in his life.

Get the manager right and a lot of these players will play much closer to their potential.

Oh I nearly forgot, Ashley Williams is defo garbage regardless of the manager.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 04, 2018, 10:07:13 PM
For the life of me, I don't get why we wouldn't put Holgate next to Keane and leave the pairing alone for the rest of the season, minimum.  See if it gels, especially with Baines back.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Lxxx on March 04, 2018, 10:08:54 PM
I just don't see what he offers over and above your average forward. Not particularly pacy and not physical enough to impose himself on most centre halves. His finishing may be his strength but without any other attributes he will rely on the team creating for him. Best I think we can hope for is a reliable forward who will get 15 goals in a good season.


I'm not sure I've read that right but I think you've just rather disparagingly written him off as just 'a forward who might get you 15 goals a season.' For £27m that's a fuckin snip then in todays prices.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 04, 2018, 10:11:43 PM
I'm not sure I've read that right but I think you've just rather disparagingly written him off as just 'a forward who might get you 15 goals a season.' For £27m that's a fuckin snip then in todays prices.

and would certainly buy us some development time for our young forward players.  We've been in need of a "bridge solution" in the worst way.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Lxxx on March 04, 2018, 10:12:18 PM
For the life of me, I don't get why we wouldn't put Holgate next to Keane and leave the pairing alone for the rest of the season, minimum.  See if it gels, especially with Baines back.

Because that pairing wouldn't work. I can see your logic but one is a lad without much experience who plays off the cuff and the other is a lad who looks scared of a football at the minute.

I'd be pairing Holgate with Jags until the end of the season, telling Keane to go away and sort his head out and make sure he's ready to come in pre season ready for a fresh challenge and to start his Everton career afresh. Knowing he won't have to see Ashley Williams ever again. 
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 04, 2018, 10:20:26 PM
Because that pairing wouldn't work. I can see your logic but one is a lad without much experience who plays off the cuff and the other is a lad who looks scared of a football at the minute.

I'd be pairing Holgate with Jags until the end of the season, telling Keane to go away and sort his head out and make sure he's ready to come in pre season ready for a fresh challenge and to start his Everton career afresh. Knowing he won't have to see Ashley Williams ever again. 

If his head is really gone, that's fair enough.  I'd rather clear his head for maybe 2-3 weeks and give it a go.  Playing next to someone with Holgate's range could give Keane more confidence and allow him to play to his strengths.  And then if he still sucks, you know there is a permanent problem you have to fix, and/or have an open competition with Funes Mori for his spot next season.

I suspect we will have to use the bulk of our funds on LB and a creative passing midfielder this summer.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: blueToffee on March 04, 2018, 10:30:06 PM
Is Funes Mori fit now? Or close to it? Heís got to be considered with Williams out. At least he has some recovery pace.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: brap2 on March 04, 2018, 10:34:07 PM
Iíll be extremely disappointed if I see Ashley Williams, Schneiderlin or Martina at all next year.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on March 04, 2018, 10:41:07 PM
Iíll be extremely disappointed if I see Ashley Williams, Schneiderlin or Martina at all next year.
is that all ?
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Thornton_19 on March 04, 2018, 10:45:36 PM
I'll be extremely disappointed if I see Ashley Williams, Schneiderlin or Martina at all next year.
I have no particular problem with him, but I'd honestly be gutted if Jagielka has to start at all next season.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 04, 2018, 10:58:26 PM
I have no particular problem with him, but I'd honestly be gutted if Jagielka has to start at all next season.

He should be our 4th CB, and get a testimonial.  Holgate starts, alongside either Keane or Funes Mori.  Hopefully Baines is no more than splitting time, and gets his testimonial the following season.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: cantoffee on March 04, 2018, 11:02:19 PM
Think with a lot of the new signings we need to be patient and see how they do next year.

I think we overhauled too much of the team and that almost always causes problems unless the players are of exceptional quality in comparison to the existing ones.

I do think that we clearly need a new CB and LB in addition to a high end CM and probably a striker.

We likely won't bring all of those in, but priority wise I would put CB and LB at the top. We can probably get by without a top CM if we get the balance right and maybe Tosun will come good.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 04, 2018, 11:14:32 PM
Think with a lot of the new signings we need to be patient and see how they do next year.

I think we overhauled too much of the team and that almost always causes problems unless the players are of exceptional quality in comparison to the existing ones.

I do think that we clearly need a new CB and LB in addition to a high end CM and probably a striker.

We likely won't bring all of those in, but priority wise I would put CB and LB at the top. We can probably get by without a top CM if we get the balance right and maybe Tosun will come good.

I'd prioritize:

1) LB
2) play-making MF
3) CB (think we can make do with what we have if have to)
4) forward (ok with what we have if Lookman comes back and we get Onyekuru's work permit sorted)
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on March 04, 2018, 11:21:08 PM
This is more now than manager change and squad shuffling...our club is in deep deep shit..
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Shogun on March 04, 2018, 11:22:52 PM
Iíll be extremely disappointed if I see Ashley Williams, Schneiderlin or Martina at all next year.

Can see them all sticking around unfortunately.

A bit harsh to stick Martina into that as unlike the other two, he's playing as professionally and well as he possibly can.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Heisenberg on March 04, 2018, 11:34:46 PM
Pickford, Coleman, Gana, Davies, Lookman, JJK, Holgate, Sigi, Walcott. Out of the whole club these are the only players good enough/have some heart. Everyone else can go as far as Im concerned
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on March 04, 2018, 11:40:46 PM
What we really "need" is half of a new team.

An issue that should now be all too obvious to football as a whole is that signing a large number of players at the same time does not work. The players can't all gel at once and few seem to have a long-term impact on the club.

It hasn't happened for us (why is another debate), it didn't work for Tottenham after selling Bale, it didn't work for QPR and it hasn't totally worked for AC either.

The club needs to get its off-pitch backroom signings in order before spending another £150m, throwing money at a problem which has been proven won't be fixed in this way. As much as it pains me to say, to keep any form of consistency and familiarity off the pitch going into next season, I think some of the deadwood should be kept on.

I'd love to see Robles, Martina, Williams, Garbutt, Schneiderlin, Mirallas, Besic, Niasse, Bolasie and all of the of the others taken to the scrap heap, but I don't think we can really afford to.

Next year we realistically need to focus on stabilising the team, getting some consistency back and aiming for 7-9th. £150m for a back-up goalie, left back, right back, centre back, centre mid, winger and couple of strikers all at once might isn't likely to achieve this.
Agree. Itís a rebuild job and will take a couple of seasons to get back in the position to make an assault on the top 6...and thatís dependent on the board making the right decisions. The new manager wonít be given time though so I predict the new chap will be sacked within 6 months of his appointment.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: toffee_scot on March 04, 2018, 11:44:11 PM
Personally, this summer I think we should try and avoid signing too many players for the first team as that can really upset any dynamic that's in the squad. I'd bring in no more than a maximum of four players particularly in central defence, left back, central midfield and a creative attacking player, however if we do have an injury crisis in a particular position then of course we should have to look at bringing in cover.

If we could somehow get rid of Robles, Martina, Williams, Schneiderlin, Mirallas, Klaassen, Pennington, Bolasie, plus maybe Sandro if he's not interested in staying at Everton and maybe a couple of the fringe players like Garbutt, Browning or Galloway, then that would really trim the squad and especially the wage bill which could go towards the new players. Of course it will be very difficult to sell all these players especially as many clubs will not want to pay anywhere near what we paid for many of our expensive transfers plus wages could be a huge issue.

Someone like Williams though, I'd happily accept a £12m loss and offer him more or less for free back to Swansea
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on March 04, 2018, 11:49:51 PM
Another squad rebuild isnít  ideal in this inflated market is it? How much would it cost to assemble Spurs squad in this market? Using them as an example as we were the last club to break into the Ďeliteí.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: brap2 on March 04, 2018, 11:53:10 PM
Can see them all sticking around unfortunately.

A bit harsh to stick Martina into that as unlike the other two, he's playing as professionally and well as he possibly can.

Yea agree, but it would be a sign weíve once again failed terribly.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Lxxx on March 05, 2018, 12:11:17 AM
Can see them all sticking around unfortunately.

A bit harsh to stick Martina into that as unlike the other two, he's playing as professionally and well as he possibly can.

There shouldn't be any need for a 28 year old 3rd choice right back in any squad, however honest and hard working he is.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: brap2 on March 05, 2018, 12:18:02 AM
Pickford

Coleman Holgate Jags Baines

Walcott Gueye Davies Bolasie

Sigurddsson

Tosun

Would be my current 11 but Coleman, Jags and Baines all need to be squad players at best very soon.

I would like to think Klaassen, Calvert Lewin, Keane and Lookman will have big roles to play in the future but I wouldn't put money on it. We really need a centre back and creative midfielder desperately.


Weíve been absolutely at sea all year and jags hasnít had a sniff.

Will leave the club or retire very soon I think.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Heisenberg on March 05, 2018, 12:49:39 AM
Another squad rebuild isnít  ideal in this inflated market is it? How much would it cost to assemble Spurs squad in this market? Using them as an example as we were the last club to break into the Ďeliteí.

I mean ideally we'd have a DoF who could get it done on the cheap. Unfortunately our one is a big fat fraud. 
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: blue slug on March 05, 2018, 01:37:46 AM
Weíve bought so poorly it will take 4 transfer windows to get reasonabley sorted
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Silas on March 05, 2018, 01:46:54 AM
Weíve been absolutely at sea all year and jags hasnít had a sniff.

Will leave the club or retire very soon I think.

He's had injury issues this year I think but yeah I think you are right
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Tony Clifton on March 05, 2018, 05:42:03 AM
I don't think we have to worry too much about getting shut of the likes of Williams, Schneiderlin, Mirallas.

Klaassen and Sandro as good as gone.   Baines, Jags, Rooney legs going, going...

Lookman one foot out of the door.  DCL and Holgate possibly growing more restless by the minute, understandably.  Can't see Vlasic wanting to hang around much longer.  Gana and Pickford likely to be targeted, and unsettled. 

There's our likely and potential losses.  Some welcome/needed, most not so. 

Hope we've got some answers in youth.

Someone get Moshiri a new etch a sketch.

Couldn't wait for last summer, this one coming terrifies me.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Redartin on March 05, 2018, 05:54:07 AM
We could sell another load of shite to Sunderland and take them down another division.

Do not be shocked if Seamus is no longer with us next season. Remember where you heard it first.

OP left out Besic, although he may stay at Borough, especially if they come up.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: SANA_DR0 on March 05, 2018, 03:34:01 PM
We could sell another load of shite to Sunderland and take them down another division.

Do not be shocked if Seamus is no longer with us next season. Remember where you heard it first.

OP left out Besic, although he may stay at Borough, especially if they come up.


No idea why i left out super Mo... wish he comes back.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: sam of the south on March 05, 2018, 03:42:12 PM
We could sell another load of shite to Sunderland and take them down another division.

Do not be shocked if Seamus is no longer with us next season. Remember where you heard it first.

OP left out Besic, although he may stay at Borough, especially if they come up.

What have you heard about Coleman?
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Alanvideo on March 05, 2018, 04:09:42 PM
What have you heard about Coleman?
..................Seamus is in the first year of a 5 year contract ,signed while he was injured. Probably be captain next season . I'd be surprised if wants to go.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: TheTone on March 05, 2018, 04:17:47 PM
Weíve bought so poorly it will take 14 transfer windows to get reasonabley sorted

fixed
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: sam of the south on March 05, 2018, 04:25:18 PM
..................Seamus is in the first year of a 5 year contract ,signed while he was injured. Probably be captain next season . I'd be surprised if wants to go.

Same here.

What an odd thing to want to claim itk for, though.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: dunkster on March 05, 2018, 05:28:44 PM
God so much depends upon this new manager that we HAVE to get. Can't imagine any of the current squad like or want SA. If the new manager doesn't inspire then I can see a mass exodus. Which by the way i welcome for a number of players here.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Jay on March 05, 2018, 06:39:03 PM
Id go after Sanches (and expect to get slated for saying so) and have Davis and Gana in mid with him.....covering a hell of a lot of ground with those three. Then get Lookman and Onyekuru (work permit permitting) on the wings and let them use their pace
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Dr. Sponge on March 05, 2018, 06:49:12 PM
Pickford

Coleman Holgate New New

Davies Sig Gueye

Lookman Walcott Onyekuru


Could work.... Maybe.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: brap2 on March 05, 2018, 06:56:11 PM
We need a new CM Iím absolutely convinced, maybe more than one.

If that means Davies plays less or forces himself in in front of sigurdsson at 10/slightly deeper than 10 in a three Iíd be fine with it, but at the moment we are very, very poor on the ball in the middle of the pitch.

Centre halves need totally rejuvenating as well. We need legs and we need bollocks and we need ball playing ability. Canít rustle up two out of the three at any one time at the moment, beginning to suspect holgates time at the club is coming to an unceremonious end as well, just not sure why..

Keane FM surely the next combo to try, but at this point it feels like keane writes his own ticket out the club with each game.

Be ruthless in the summer, anyone who is to play 20+ games needs to be <28 and at least very good or >28 and superb.

Anyone we need to play that amount of games who doesnít fit that, bin off and replace.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: bacon sarnie on March 05, 2018, 07:11:24 PM
Train them to play winning football until they get the idea.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Everton Mint on March 06, 2018, 12:45:31 AM
I really dont think with any of the players ability is the problem.. they have all done well either previously or elsewhere.

It is a mentality issue and shows up away from home and vs the top teams.

If three manager's cant sort this out then its time for a mass clearout and start again.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 06, 2018, 01:04:08 AM
Pickford

Coleman Holgate New New

Davies Sig Gueye

Lookman Walcott Onyekuru


Could work.... Maybe.


#Hammerin'Hank in the XI?  We can be Imaginary Friends!  :D
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: brap2 on March 06, 2018, 02:54:07 AM
if someone offered us 30 for sig in the summer Iíd bite their hands off btw
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Morta75 on March 06, 2018, 02:32:39 PM
Keane will come strong next season. I think we need to sell these, Schneiderlin, Klaassen, Bolasie, Williams, Ramirez, Mirallas, Niasse, Besic,
Buy new LB, CB central mid. with creativity and striker.
LB: Sessengon, Tierney, Philipp Max
CB: David Alaba, Tah, Andreas Christensen
Mid: Andre Gomez, Bryan Cristante, M.Dahoud
Striker: Anthony Martial, Timo Werner, Marcus Rashford

Most of these would not come to us unless we give them salary over the moon...
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: dunkster on March 06, 2018, 02:55:41 PM
The only players I'd hate to see us lose in the summer are pickford, Coleman and walcott.
I'd also keep the youth just to see if they come good. But the rest I couldn't really care much about. Jags, rooney and Baines are past it. So many mediocre players in the squad.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Bluedylan on March 06, 2018, 03:05:54 PM
Weíve bought so poorly it will take 4 transfer windows to get reasonabley sorted

One well planned, intelligently conceived summer window under a manager and a DOF on the same page, and you could sort this squad right out.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Escla on March 06, 2018, 03:12:57 PM
One well planned, idntelligently conceived summer window under a manager and a DOF on the same page, and you could sort this squad right out.

I agree with that but we would need that manager and DOF on board within the next few weeks, not mid July.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Bluedylan on March 06, 2018, 03:16:42 PM
I agree with that but we would need that manager and DOF on board within the next few weeks, not mid July.

Certainly in place by the end of May, at the latest. We'll see if any lessons have been learned from the Koeman/Walsh summer.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Grand Master C on March 06, 2018, 05:51:34 PM
Because that pairing wouldn't work. I can see your logic but one is a lad without much experience who plays off the cuff and the other is a lad who looks scared of a football at the minute.

I'd be pairing Holgate with Jags until the end of the season, telling Keane to go away and sort his head out and make sure he's ready to come in pre season ready for a fresh challenge and to start his Everton career afresh. Knowing he won't have to see Ashley Williams ever again. 

I agree at the moment, but I think Holgate and Keane for the future was the plan (God, I hope there was a plan !!) and in the long term should still be.

As much as I am not a fan of a back 3 I would like to see Keane, Jags, Holgate for the last few games. Let Jags coach them positioning, how to read the game and hopefully build their confidence in real game situations. We have to be looking at the future, as we can't afford another summer and start of the season like this.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: dazfrancis on March 06, 2018, 06:37:15 PM
We looked our most solid when Holgate had a run of games but we haven't seen him since.

He can't do any worse than Ashley Williams even if he was alongside Titus Bramble.

I might sound a bit mad but maybe having a bit of pace in defence helped and someone who can play out the back allowed us to retain possession a bit better.

It's fucking mental, if you were to grade our central defenders average rating against the number of game played Holgate would be top with the exception of Jags.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: SANA_DR0 on March 06, 2018, 06:58:33 PM
if someone offered us 30 for sig in the summer Iíd bite their hands off btw


I feel he is pretty awesome. does the dirty work and has the skill to do what he does, we shouldnt play him on the left tho..we should use pace on the wings.. i feel he would be awesome in front of Davies and Gueye... 3 combative CM's, 1 with energy and pace, 1 who just tries t o win the ball back and one with the vision to to get us attacking.

Siggy has probably been my fave new signing this season.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: brap2 on March 06, 2018, 07:31:16 PM

I feel he is pretty awesome. does the dirty work and has the skill to do what he does, we shouldnt play him on the left tho..we should use pace on the wings.. i feel he would be awesome in front of Davies and Gueye... 3 combative CM's, 1 with energy and pace, 1 who just tries t o win the ball back and one with the vision to to get us attacking.

Siggy has probably been my fave new signing this season.

Me too probably, I didnít want him particularly, certainly not for that amount but meh, heís done OK in a bad situation. And I think if we just made him shoot as much as possible and got him in and around the area as much as possible we could make him a success (through pure G+A) but heís not a midfielder really and he doesnít play like one.

This model doesnít rate his passing (or anything else) this year, but I do think heís been OK. I just think for his age and that, if we did get offered 30+ then Iíd take it.



https://twitter.com/mixedknuts/status/969271850864992261?s=21
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: TheRam on March 06, 2018, 07:54:05 PM
I like sig. He's someone we should be building the team around IMO.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: The blue vein on March 06, 2018, 08:10:41 PM
I like sig. He's someone we should be building the team around IMO.
He must play in the #10 role nowhere else
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Juanito on March 06, 2018, 08:27:32 PM
Just look at Swansea. Couple of tweaks here and there, a likeable manager who inspires the players and makes football enjoyable - what a turnaround. Allardyce, being anti - football and not a very likeable man....
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: SANA_DR0 on March 06, 2018, 09:32:53 PM
Me too probably, I didnít want him particularly, certainly not for that amount but meh, heís done OK in a bad situation. And I think if we just made him shoot as much as possible and got him in and around the area as much as possible we could make him a success (through pure G+A) but heís not a midfielder really and he doesnít play like one.

This model doesnít rate his passing (or anything else) this year, but I do think heís been OK. I just think for his age and that, if we did get offered 30+ then Iíd take it.



https://twitter.com/mixedknuts/status/969271850864992261?s=21


link dont work bro ;/

i wanted him initially, but when we bought Klaassen and Rooney i didnt want him anymore.. but im glad we did, as he has been much better than those 2..
i agree, get him to shoot as much as possible, thats why he would be better infront of the midfield 2, he should be allowed to roam where ever he wants, he probably does as much defensive work as Gueye, if not more, he has great positional sense where defending..
i think he plays like a midfielder, as wingers/attackers do not cover the ground or track back as much as Siggy.

I really dont want to get rid of him, so many other players have offered a lot less. siggy has been one of our best performers this season, imagine him in a confident attacking team..
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Gash on March 07, 2018, 01:15:39 AM
There's plenty I'd rather see shipped out the door before Sigurdsson, especially at a 2/3rds of what we paid for him.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 07, 2018, 01:19:45 AM
Sigurdsson has comfortably been our player of the year. He's done quite well a lot which is more than most. Unfortunately in a team crying out for real flair, pace and invention he's a playmaker who's built on doing the basics well and working hard. He'll always be judged on what he isn't. Absolutely the wrong signing for our squad. Though probably still our best player
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: brap2 on March 07, 2018, 01:35:51 AM
Anyone know how to link to a tweet then? Itís @mixedknuts anyway and basically, Sig is doing below average in most things. Heís still been one of our best players like but yeah, the numbers donít make him look great.

Please donít misunderstand me that I donít like Sig - I absolutely do and he should play every game possible, like I say we can still make him a success by getting him in and around the box as much as possible.

But we donít play with a ten because we havenít got the midfield for it, and it would be better to have a good left forward/winger than him shunted out left, and if someone did offer us 30+ it would be good business to take it and put the money into someone we do need like a good midfielder.

If he stayed for the duration of his contract I would be very happy and would want him to play the majority of games, he is an elite striker of the ball from the edge of the box, and has very nice hair.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Silas on March 07, 2018, 01:52:02 AM
Anyone know how to link to a tweet then? Itís @mixedknuts anyway and basically, Sig is doing below average in most things. Heís still been one of our best players like but yeah, the numbers donít make him look great.

Please donít misunderstand me that I donít like Sig - I absolutely do and he should play every game possible, like I say we can still make him a success by getting him in and around the box as much as possible.

But we donít play with a ten because we havenít got the midfield for it, and it would be better to have a good left forward/winger than him shunted out left, and if someone did offer us 30+ it would be good business to take it and put the money into someone we do need like a good midfielder.

If he stayed for the duration of his contract I would be very happy and would want him to play the majority of games, he is an elite striker of the ball from the edge of the box, and has very nice hair.


All true but I don't think we need the make the sacrifice of selling an asset to the team like Sigurddsson when we have Schneiderlin, Besic and several others taking up space first
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: brap2 on March 07, 2018, 02:03:55 AM
All true but I don't think we need the make the sacrifice of selling an asset to the team like Sigurddsson when we have Schneiderlin, Besic and several others taking up space first

Yes agree.

In the other comment I stated that the next phase should be built around Pickford, Coleman, Keane*, Sig, Gana, Walcott, Tosun*
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Silas on March 07, 2018, 02:55:09 AM
Yes agree.

In the other comment I stated that the next phase should be built around Pickford, Coleman, Keane*, Sig, Gana, Walcott, Tosun*

Yeah perfect world stuff but I think the roundabout point is that if we can get value for players then you need to sell while they are worth cash especially when they are high value.

I don't really see any one player in this team who I would class as totally irreplaceable. Maybe Coleman rght now
Title: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Dr. Sponge on March 07, 2018, 06:33:36 AM
I agree at the moment, but I think Holgate and Keane for the future was the plan (God, I hope there was a plan !!) and in the long term should still be.

As much as I am not a fan of a back 3 I would like to see Keane, Jags, Holgate for the last few games. Let Jags coach them positioning, how to read the game and hopefully build their confidence in real game situations. We have to be looking at the future, as we can't afford another summer and start of the season like this.

The only way a back 3 would work for us is if Baines and Coleman were fit to play fullback, and Ashley Williams evaporated.

Those who would sell Sigurdson are a bit mad, he's such a good player. He's got all the qualities to play at the tip of a midfield 3. For the goal against Burnley he won the ball, played a one-two, then played it out wide to Walcott. If anything I feel a bit sorry for him in this team.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: TheTone on March 07, 2018, 12:44:04 PM
if someone offered us 30 for sig in the summer Iíd bite their hands off btw

I think that would be great business, not been impressed with him at all , does some good things but not consistent enough for me, actually think Osman was better than him

Swansea have had our pants down on this one
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: gizzblue on March 07, 2018, 03:05:14 PM
Hate to think where we would be without the 7 goals Gylfi had a hand in in the league ....not great stats granted but in a shite team even,  he offers more than most ...Still think the best is yet to come and he needs to be a no 10 not a fucking winger.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Cereal Killer on March 07, 2018, 03:52:08 PM
Hate to think where we would be without the 7 goals Gylfi had a hand in in the league ....not great stats granted but in a shite team even,  he offers more than most ...Still think the best is yet to come and he needs to be a no 10 not a fucking winger.

Don't see point of judging any attacking player on just stats when we've been specifically trained/played percentage defensive football for most of the season with no coherent attacking shape or plan

Think was Sig was overpriced but would want to see him in a functioning team in the 10 position before discarding him....
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Makis on March 07, 2018, 03:55:22 PM
Complete squad reshuffles are hard to do but that's what I would do in any case.

Robles's contract runs out and he's going anyways. Stekelenburg can share a cab.

Willams, Jagielka, Funes Mori, Keane, Baines and Martina can share a minibus. Baines is one of my all-time favourite players but he was past it last season. Mangala obviously won't be here next season.

I'm sure a lot of fans would drive Schneiderlin to the airport, so no need for a taxi there. McCarthy, Bolasie, Besic and Mirallas are not needed either. Rooney can be offered a coaching position or something so he plays max half-a-dozen games next season. Klaassen can leave, too.

Tosun should be given a few starts until end of season. Probably he can go back to Turkey. Niasse and Sandro leave too.

So I would only keep these first team players: Pickford, Walcott, Gueye, Sigurdsson, Coleman, Davies, Vlasic, Calvert-Lewin, Holgate, Kenny, Baningime, Lookman and a few of the youngsters near the first team (Connolly etc). But this is not going to happen, there's no way all of those players can be shipped out & new ones brought in in one summer. But there's something rotten at the club and the squad needs a reboot. Too many players seem happy just to pick their paycheck and has no desire or hunger.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Lxxx on March 07, 2018, 04:54:02 PM
I don't think Sig is the No 10 we need so for that reason I'd like to see him slotted into a central midfield role. He works his nuts off, he's got a good brain, decent range of passing and the engine to get box to box for us as well as having an eye for goal when he gets there. 
I'd build the side around him, for no other reason than he's our most expensive signing, he's at peak age and he's going nowhere. We've got an abundance of players who all seem to do similar things so we need to make a call on who does what and stick with it and let the rest go, so we can focus on areas of the team that are lacking in genuine quality.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Toddacelli on March 07, 2018, 06:03:38 PM
This Year:

                                         Pickford

            Coleman       Keane       Funes Mori      Mangala

                            Gana Gueye      Davies
         Walcott                                                Sigudsson

                                 Tosun          DCL

Rooney, Vlasic, Klaasen, Bolasie, Lookman & Niasse getting time from the bench

Bin-off 10 players (see below) and buy:

Centre-Mid, Left Back, 2x Centre-Backs, Striker

Leaving 5 spaces for emerging youth players: Baningime, JJK, Dowell, Hornby, Feeney (for example)

Next Year:
                                         Pickford

               Coleman       Keane       NEW       Baines

                                     Gana Gueye     
           
                                      Sigurdsson
              Walcott                                                Onyekuru
                                           NEW

Rooney, Vlasic, Klaasen, Lookman, Tosun, DCL, Davies getting time from the bench

                       
Joel Robles                                   BIN
Eliaquim Mangala                         BIN
Ashley Williams                            BIN
Luke Garbutt                               BIN
Cuco Martina                               BIN
Morgan Schneiderlin                    BIN
James McCarthy                          BIN
Yannick Bolasie                           BIN
Shani Tarashaj                           BIN
Oumar Niasse                            BIN
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: SANA_DR0 on March 07, 2018, 06:57:31 PM
This Year:

                                         Pickford

            Coleman       Keane       Funes Mori      Mangala

                            Gana Gueye      Davies
         Walcott                                                Sigudsson

                                 Tosun          DCL

Rooney, Vlasic, Klaasen, Bolasie, Lookman & Niasse getting time from the bench

Bin-off 10 players (see below) and buy:

Centre-Mid, Left Back, 2x Centre-Backs, Striker

Leaving 5 spaces for emerging youth players: Baningime, JJK, Dowell, Hornby, Feeney (for example)

Next Year:
                                         Pickford

               Coleman       Keane       NEW       Baines

                                     Gana Gueye     
           
                                      Sigurdsson
              Walcott                                                Onyekuru
                                           NEW

Rooney, Vlasic, Klaasen, Lookman, Tosun, DCL, Davies getting time from the bench

                       
Joel Robles                                   BIN
Eliaquim Mangala                         BIN
Ashley Williams                            BIN
Luke Garbutt                               BIN
Cuco Martina                               BIN
Morgan Schneiderlin                    BIN
James McCarthy                          BIN
Yannick Bolasie                           BIN
Shani Tarashaj                           BIN
Oumar Niasse                            BIN


I pretty much agree with t his besides the binning of Niasse and McCarthy... they aint the best, but their solid i feel plus they seem to pretty much love Everton... for me players who love Everton need to stay, regardless of them not playing as their attitude and training would be infectious.

i wouldnt bring Henry as a first team starter either... He's been average in a rubbish league.. I would rather buy a winger/attacker for the left hand side.
I would also change the formation to 2 uptop, Tosun will be a gem for us, i have no doubt of that (like Jelavic) score planty of goals, aslong as he has someone with him, and he doesnt have to do the donkey work.. I'd like Mori at the back with Holgate... Hopefully Mori's time out has made him reflect and improve the aspects of his games that Evertonians berated him for (concentration and roaming up the pitch, even tho i liked his jaunts)
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Toddacelli on March 07, 2018, 09:01:22 PM

I pretty much agree with t his besides the binning of Niasse and McCarthy... they aint the best, but their solid i feel plus they seem to pretty much love Everton... for me players who love Everton need to stay, regardless of them not playing as their attitude and training would be infectious.

i wouldnt bring Henry as a first team starter either... He's been average in a rubbish league.. I would rather buy a winger/attacker for the left hand side.
I would also change the formation to 2 uptop, Tosun will be a gem for us, i have no doubt of that (like Jelavic) score planty of goals, aslong as he has someone with him, and he doesnt have to do the donkey work.. I'd like Mori at the back with Holgate... Hopefully Mori's time out has made him reflect and improve the aspects of his games that Evertonians berated him for (concentration and roaming up the pitch, even tho i liked his jaunts)

McCarthy is too injury prone and the amount of money we can get for him will dwindle with every season, but more than that is competition for places. I would place ahead of him:

1: New CM
2: Gana Gueye is already the better player in his position
3: Davies continual development as already looks a first team player but needs learning time
4: Baningime continual development as has not looked out of place for the seniors
5: Besic is easily good enough to replace McCarthy and he is better injury-wise

So for 6th option - McCarthy can go.

As for Niasse:

1: New CF we still need to replace Lukaku
2: Tosun - I'm sure there is a player there - he needs some time
3: DCL - continual development and decent as a back-up or different option
4: Rooney - should be used from the bench and deeper than CF but when required, he still scores
5: Walcott - has played CF and can play CF
6: Onyekuru - not sure if it's too soon to have a look at him in the PL, especially after the injury, but if he does come over next year then I would be more interested in bedding him in
7: Lookman - plays as a winger but likes to cut in and is effective in the middle and needs more game time

As 8th choice - I love the lad and I'll miss that smile - but I think it's time to let him go and be first choice for someone like Brighton.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Gash on March 07, 2018, 10:37:16 PM
I don't think I've known a season where I've heard the phrase ''there's a player in there" as often. I don't know if it's more to do with buying badly or just managers not giving new players a chance?
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: gizzblue on March 07, 2018, 10:41:33 PM
I don't think I've known a season where I've heard the phrase ''there's a player in there" as often. I don't know if it's more to do with buying badly or just managers not giving new players a chance?
Think it's a lot to do with most of the new signings not getting enough time to bed in or even play  ....we can't really say if they're shite or not.

So imho it's mostly a hopeful statement .
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: blueToffee on March 07, 2018, 11:17:16 PM
I think it's a hopeful statement too, just I'm not sure it's optimism flying in the face of reality. If you're buying players without a plan, or without a manager who is enthusiastic about bringing them in then how is it good for any of the parties involved. I suppose it's a bit like the Chelsea approach, but that doesn't really feel like a progressive way to run a club. If you're looking at who is getting it right at the moment in terms of recruitment, you'd probably say Man City and Liverpool. We could certainly take a leaf out of the latter's playbook in terms of the age of player we're signing.

It seems only a matter of when not if Allardyce leaves, and then where does it leave us again? Presumably at the behest of the next manager and their approach to the game as I don't see much sign of Walsh commanding a grand plan of our footballing approach. So who knows if any of these players would fit that new plan. Also, it puts us back at square one, or perhaps even worse trying to recover what we can on players who haven't improved in value as we're not playing well as a team.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: bogie on March 08, 2018, 04:55:09 AM
Pickford

Coleman Holgate Jags Baines

Walcott Gueye Davies Bolasie

Sigurddsson

Tosun

Would be my current 11 but Coleman, Jags and Baines all need to be squad players at best very soon.

I would like to think Klaassen, Calvert Lewin, Keane and Lookman will have big roles to play in the future but I wouldn't put money on it. We really need a centre back and creative midfielder desperately.


Bolasie really

what is he in you Everton team on football manager

he is a fucking joke biggest waste of £35m I have ever seen shit before his knee went and shit after
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Jamokachi on March 08, 2018, 06:17:24 AM
Bolasie really

what is he in you Everton team on football manager

he is a fucking joke biggest waste of £35m I have ever seen shit before his knee went and shit after

Ah, welcome back knobhead.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Silas on March 08, 2018, 02:15:22 PM
Bolasie really

what is he in you Everton team on football manager

he is a fucking joke biggest waste of £35m I have ever seen shit before his knee went and shit after

I'm not sure on him but he's a winger and I'm a big fan of playing people in their correct position
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Waltzer on March 08, 2018, 02:48:10 PM
Bolasie really

what is he in you Everton team on football manager

he is a fucking joke biggest waste of £35m I have ever seen shit before his knee went and shit after

Bolasie cost £25 million, not 35!
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Lxxx on March 08, 2018, 03:20:56 PM
Bolasie cost £25 million, not 35!

Still makes the eyes water even at £10m less.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Waltzer on March 08, 2018, 03:58:35 PM
Still makes the eyes water even at £10m less.
I dont know, I actually thought before his injury he was looking decent.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Lxxx on March 08, 2018, 04:14:33 PM
I dont know, I actually thought before his injury he was looking decent.

I think when you step up a level you're judged on output. At teams like Palace you can be pretty ineffective statistically most weeks with the occasional good game against the top 6 to raise your profile and you'll stay in the team every week. I didn't really see any difference in his Palace form to ours really, although admittedly he was unlucky with his injury.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: SANA_DR0 on March 08, 2018, 06:24:50 PM
I dont know, I actually thought before his injury he was looking decent.

that may have been the case, but since his return he has looked pants, if i was Lookman andseeing Yannick get in the squad and even getting 20 mins.. i'd want to get the fuck out too.

Lookman with no experience (in 1st team football) has created so much more than Yannick.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: terrydarracotsbaldpate on March 09, 2018, 02:00:29 AM
We have so many players,some great youth coming through, some dead weights.. which do you think deserve to be here next season, or which do you think have long term futures with us.



Goalkeepers          Nationality        Contract Expires Status                                  what to do!

1 Jordan Pickford England      June 2022                                          First team starter                           
22 Maarten Stekelenburg Netherlands June 2019                              Sell
33 Joel Robles            Spain June 2018                                               Free   
 
Defenders Nationality Contract Expires Status

3 Leighton Baines England June 2019                                            Squad player
4 Michael Keane England June 2022                                                         squad player/first team
5 Ashley Williams Wales June 2019                                               Sell
6 Phil Jagielka England June 2019                                                       squad/backroom staff?                                       
13 Eliaquim Mangala France June 2018 On Loan Injured                    send him back
15 Cuco Martina Curacao June 2020                                                       free transfer/sell
23 Seamus Coleman Ireland June 2022                                               first team
25 Ramiro Funes Mori Argentina June 2020                                       Squad player/maybe first team
30 Mason Holgate England June 2022                                                First team/future prospect
36 Luke Garbutt England June 2020                                                        reserve player/sell if replacement found
43 Jonjoe Kenny England June 2022                                                        Squad/first team
 
Midfielders Nationality Contract Expires Status
 
2 Morgan Schneiderlin France June 2021                                       SELL SELL SELL
16 James McCarthy Ireland June 2020 Injured                                     Squad player
17 Idrissa Gana Gueye Senegal June 2022                                         First team
18 Gylfi Sigurdsson Iceland June 2022                                                 First team
20 Davy Klaassen Netherlands June 2022                                        Squad
26 Tom Davies England June 2022                                                         First team
27 Nikola Vlasic Croatia June 2022                                                        Squad
54 Beni Baningime DR Congo June 2020                                          youth player with great prospects
 
Forwards Nationality Contract Expires Status

7 Yannick Bolasie DR Congo June 2021                                         SELL SELL SELL
10 Wayne Rooney England June 2019                                                   Squad
11 Theo Walcott England June 2021                                                          first team
14 Cenk Tosun Turkey June 2022                                                          First team
19 Oumar Niasse Senegal June 2020                                                           squad player
Shani Tarashaj Switzerland June 2020                                          sell
29 Dominic Calvert-Lewin England June 2023                                          squad player/prospect
 
U23 Players Nationality Contract Expires Status
38 Matty Foulds England June 2020 
39 Conor Grant England June 2018 
40 Sam Byrne Ireland June 2018 
41 Mateusz Hewelt Poland June 2019 
42 Josh Bowler England June 2019 
44 Bassala Sambou Germany & England June 2019 
47 Calum Dyson England June 2018 
48 Morgan Feeney England June 2018 
51 Antony Evans England June 2020 
53 David Henen Belgium June 2018
55 Nathan Broadhead England June 2018 
56 Chris Renshaw England June 2019 
57 Lewis Gibson England June 2020 
58 Nathangelo Markelo England June 2020 
59 Jose Baxter England June 2020
61 Alex Denny     
62 Daniel Bramall     
63 Shane Lavery     
65 Joe Hilton     
66 Con Ozounidis     
67 Fraser Hornby Scotland   
68 Stephen Duke-McKenna     
69 Michael Collins     
70 Anthony Gordon     
 
Players Out On Loan Nationality Contract Expires Destination                                 
9 Sandro Ramirez Spain June 2021 Sevilla                                                   Sell
11 Kevin Mirallas Belgium June 2020 Olympiakos                                                   Sell
28 Kieran Dowell England June 2019 Nottingham Forest                                 Squad player/prospect
31 Ademola Lookman England June 2021 RB Leipzig                                        Squad player/prospect
32 Brendan Galloway England June 2019 Sunderland                                        sell?
35 Callum Connolly England June 2019 Ipswich Town                                    squad player/prospect
37 Harry Charsley England June 2019 Bolton Wanderers                             Squad player/prospect
45 Louis Gray Wales June 2018 Carlisle United                                            ????
46 Joe Williams England June 2020 Barnsley                                                    squad player/prospect
49 Antonee Robinson England June 2019 Bolton Wanderers                             maybe first team player/propesct
60 Boris Mathis France June 2019 Northampton Town                                     squad/prospect
  Matthew Pennington England June 2019 Leeds United                                sell
Tyias Browning England June 2019 Sunderland                                           sell
Henry Onyekuru England June 2022 Anderlecht                                          future prospect





we only have a few first team players really for next season

                                    Pickford
Coleman          Holgate/keane/Mori         ??????

Walcott       Davies/Gueye/siggy           ??????

                            Tosun ?????


cant believe how fucked our squad is...what are your views?

sorry for the crap layout.
Sell Williams ? The only director of football who would touch him would be Steve Walsh
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: gizzblue on March 09, 2018, 02:16:44 AM
Sell Williams ? The only director of football who would touch him would be Steve Walsh
Perhaps we could stuff him in Walsh's briefcase on the amazing Dof's (shite scouts) last day at FF.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: bacon sarnie on March 14, 2018, 07:55:51 PM
Allardyce wants to bring in Wilshere and Jones to give the team a spine according to the BBC.

I must stop reading the news!
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Ramjam on March 14, 2018, 08:30:27 PM
Allardyce wants to bring in Wilshere and Jones to give the team a spine according to the BBC.

I must stop reading the news!
He probably means Vinny Jones n all
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Hawkandro on April 09, 2018, 04:46:43 PM
Linked with Aaron Cresswell today, for £25m.

Luckily it is in The Sun, so no chance of that happening.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: themilkycoffees on April 11, 2018, 05:09:51 AM
Big changes needed, obviously. Some players have never been good enough, some too injury prone and some past their best.

Would get rid of Williams, Jagielka, Browning, Galloway, Baines, Garbutt, Martina, McCarthy, Schneiderlin, McCarthy, Besic, Bolasie and Mirallas.

Time for a fresh start under a new manager.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on April 11, 2018, 06:28:15 AM
It would be a massive mistake to get rid of Baines.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: themilkycoffees on April 11, 2018, 07:13:02 AM
It would be a massive mistake to get rid of Baines.

How? One of the best left backs in the league for a fair few seasons in his prime but think people are letting their love for him get in the way of facts. Heís been declining for 2-3 years and is nowhere near a top six left back anymore. He doesnít get into any top six side so why should he get in ours when weíre trying to get there?
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: kramer0 on April 11, 2018, 08:23:40 AM
At this point, we should probably just keep Jagielka and Baines around as cover until they become liabilities. Both are dependable (and dependable back-ups are hard to find) and neither will fetch much in terms of a fee. That, plus I see them both as part of the fabric of the club* as this point.

With that said, if either player is starting regularly next season you'll know we fucked up... again.

* Say what you will about them not winning anything but they played for some genuinely good Everton sides and winning stuff is hard in the super club era.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: themilkycoffees on April 11, 2018, 03:12:36 PM
Fabric of the club, part of the furniture attitude will get us nowhere unfortunately. They did play for some good Everton sides and they're not the reason we didn't win things during that time but the best clubs move players on when it's time. There's an argument for Baines staying as backup but would be disappointed to see Jagielka stay if we're looking to progress.
 
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: dunkster on April 11, 2018, 03:12:47 PM
Think we've already seen what not having a backup left back does when injury strikes. I'm all for Baines staying but ideally as the backup option.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: dunkster on April 11, 2018, 03:14:20 PM
But I'll be honest, the Only player I'd be gutted to lose in the summer is pickford.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: brap2 on April 11, 2018, 03:32:59 PM
It would be a massive mistake to get rid of Baines.

Also pointless, wonít get any money for Baines or jags. Much better for the culture at the club to keep them.

Plus ones still the best CB at the club, and the other is the best lb weíve ever had and is probably still top 10 in the prem.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: TheTone on April 11, 2018, 03:52:01 PM
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Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: themilkycoffees on April 11, 2018, 04:11:18 PM
Also pointless, wonít get any money for Baines or jags. Much better for the culture at the club to keep them.

Plus ones still the best CB at the club, and the other is the best lb weíve ever had and is probably still top 10 in the prem.

What culture? The one that gives up when the going gets tough or the no trophies in 23 years and counting culture?
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: brap2 on April 11, 2018, 04:21:10 PM
What culture? The one that gives up when the going gets tough or the no trophies in 23 years and counting culture?

Little from column A, little from column B.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on April 11, 2018, 04:36:55 PM
Jags is still the best CB at the club, I donít see any benefit in getting rid.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on April 11, 2018, 04:38:46 PM
Jags is still the best CB at the club, I donít see any benefit in getting rid.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: themilkycoffees on April 11, 2018, 04:50:30 PM
Think that says far more about the current lack of quality centre backs at the club than Jagielka's current ability. The players and a decent percentage of the fans are happy finishing mid-table as long as there's a good culture in the dressing room.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Lxxx on April 11, 2018, 05:11:18 PM
If we still have any of the current centre backs at the club starting the first game of next season it'll be another reason to boot Walsh back down the east lancs. None of them are good enough and I'll include Holgate in that, although he does have time on his side to get there eventually.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Silas on April 11, 2018, 05:18:02 PM
Think that says far more about the current lack of quality centre backs at the club than Jagielka's current ability. The players and a decent percentage of the fans are happy finishing mid-table as long as there's a good culture in the dressing room.

So the answer is to get rid of Williams maybe Mori not the best centre back we have then yes? If Jags then becomes our third or fourth choice centre back then he's more likely to put up with that and be dependable when called upon than our other defenders. Same goes for Baines.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: themilkycoffees on April 11, 2018, 05:26:28 PM
So the answer is to get rid of Williams maybe Mori not the best centre back we have then yes? If Jags then becomes our third or fourth choice centre back then he's more likely to put up with that and be dependable when called upon than our other defenders. Same goes for Baines.

Would rather see us bring in 2 new CBs and keep Holgate and Keane as the two other options myself but I take your point.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Lxxx on April 11, 2018, 05:47:11 PM
Would rather see us bring in 2 new CBs and keep Holgate and Keane as the two other options myself but I take your point.


I'm more in line with this however if we could get rid of Keane I would do. Never been as underwhelmed by a player in recent years given his reputation before arriving and the big price tag. Richard Dunne was a big lad and a plodder but he had a decent bit of pace once he got going, Keane looks like he's running in sand. 
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: boothill on April 11, 2018, 06:04:40 PM
I'm more in line with this however if we could get rid of Keane I would do. Never been as underwhelmed by a player in recent years given his reputation before arriving and the big price tag. Richard Dunne was a big lad and a plodder but he had a decent bit of pace once he got going, Keane looks like he's running in sand.
honey monster was great, and despite several warnings couldnt lay off the ale , and was becoming a bad influence on michael ball, so off he was sent
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Lxxx on April 11, 2018, 06:07:33 PM
honey monster was great, and despite several warnings couldnt lay off the ale , and was becoming a bad influence on michael ball, so off he was sent

Ended up having a decent career though, got better with age.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Macca77 on April 11, 2018, 06:12:03 PM
Wipe them out....all of them
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 11, 2018, 06:28:26 PM
Itís probably a 3 or 4 window job fixing this and thatís assuming we get the vast majority of it right which seems unlikely that weíve got almost everything wrong.

New left back, new cover at left back, new centre halves, a genuine play maker, a pacy striker, decent wingers

Itís more a question of what we donít need.

Pickford Coleman gueye sigurdsson Walcott and tosan. Weíve a 5 a side team and a sub with literally no star quality

We are at the stage where we need to prey that some of the young players come on leaps and bounds and fill some of the many gaps
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Silas on April 11, 2018, 06:46:43 PM
Itís probably a 3 or 4 window job fixing this and thatís assuming we get the vast majority of it right which seems unlikely that weíve got almost everything wrong.

New left back, new cover at left back, new centre halves, a genuine play maker, a pacy striker, decent wingers

Itís more a question of what we donít need.

Pickford Coleman gueye sigurdsson Walcott and tosan. Weíve a 5 a side team and a sub with literally no star quality

We are at the stage where we need to prey that some of the young players come on leaps and bounds and fill some of the many gaps

I think Baines becomes the cover at left back if we bring in a decent one. I agree on the rest though.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: themilkycoffees on April 11, 2018, 06:48:21 PM
Fully agree with the above. We have got some good young players too though, even if the current manager refuses to use them. Lookman and Vlasic are both promising talents who could develop into great players. The news CBs, the LB and the playmaker are absolute musts in the summer and they all need to be starting 11 players.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Lxxx on April 11, 2018, 06:53:22 PM
Itís probably a 3 or 4 window job fixing this and thatís assuming we get the vast majority of it right which seems unlikely that weíve got almost everything wrong.

New left back, new cover at left back, new centre halves, a genuine play maker, a pacy striker, decent wingers

Itís more a question of what we donít need.

Pickford Coleman gueye sigurdsson Walcott and tosan. Weíve a 5 a side team and a sub with literally no star quality

We are at the stage where we need to prey that some of the young players come on leaps and bounds and fill some of the many gaps

Aye. We need to hope Beningime gets in the gym and becomes a beast or one or two of the others flourish otherwise as you say it could be some time before we have a proper squad again. It's gonna need some creative trading this summer to remodel the squad to be fit for purpose, we have very few who are in or approaching the prime of their career.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Ross on April 11, 2018, 07:00:34 PM
Wonder whatíll happen with Mangala?
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: dunkster on April 11, 2018, 07:01:24 PM
The biggest issue I have with this squad this season is not having any manager who has brought out anything from these players. Klaasen is the biggest example. There's clearly a player there. Under the right manager, formation, tactics etc. He might be brilliant.
It's so hard to judge who's crap or not. Look how Walcott is falling back with each game under fat sams reign
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Bluedylan on April 11, 2018, 07:12:34 PM
Itís probably a 3 or 4 window job fixing this and thatís assuming we get the vast majority of it right which seems unlikely that weíve got almost everything wrong.

New left back, new cover at left back, new centre halves, a genuine play maker, a pacy striker, decent wingers

Itís more a question of what we donít need.

Pickford Coleman gueye sigurdsson Walcott and tosan. Weíve a 5 a side team and a sub with literally no star quality

We are at the stage where we need to prey that some of the young players come on leaps and bounds and fill some of the many gaps

Not sure I agree. I think the squad is better than you suggest.

Pickford, Coleman and Baines are all secure. I personally would stick with Keane, get him the right partner and just play him week after week to build a proper understanding. I think he's had a rough year, but is a good player and think we will see that in time. Kenny and Holgate are good prospects to develop.

Gana and Tom Davies are secure in the middle, and it would be awesome if we could put a proper playmaker in there next to them. Baningame and Klassen could provide good depth, and I still think we should persist with Klaasen under a proper manager.

In the attacking midfield positions, Gylfi and Walcott are quality, and then we have the chance to develop Vlasic and Lookman (again, hopefully under a better manager who understands their value and potential).

And then Tosun and DCL are good forward options, and we need another genuine first team quality striker to add to that.

I think there's absolutely loads to work with there. And if you signed the right 3/4 players in the obvious positions we need, you'd have a pretty strong squad to build with that could certainly push Arsenal for 6th.

Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Lxxx on April 11, 2018, 07:15:24 PM
Wonder whatíll happen with Mangala?

He'll probably get put out to pasture again
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Escla on April 11, 2018, 07:16:27 PM
Not sure I agree. I think the squad is better than you suggest.

Pickford, Coleman and Baines are all secure. I personally would stick with Keane, get him the right partner and just play him week after week to build a proper understanding. I think he's had a rough year, but is a good player and think we will see that in time. Kenny and Holgate are good prospects to develop.

Gana and Tom Davies are secure in the middle, and it would be awesome if we could put a proper playmaker in there next to them. Baningame and Klassen could provide good depth, and I still think we should persist with Klaasen under a proper manager.

In the attacking midfield positions, Gylfi and Walcott are quality, and then we have the chance to develop Vlasic and Lookman (again, hopefully under a better manager who understands their value and potential).

And then Tosun and DCL are good forward options, and we need another genuine first team quality striker to add to that.

I think there's absolutely loads to work with there. And if you signed the right 3/4 players in the obvious positions we need, you'd have a pretty strong squad to build with that could certainly push Arsenal for 6th.
Agree with every word of that !
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: TheRam on April 11, 2018, 07:20:53 PM
The squad really isnt as bad as people are making out, it just isn't being used correctly.

To get back in the top 7 next year we wouldnt even need to sign anyone.

To challenge for 6th, a centre half, left back and a quality centre mid should see us mount a challenge to Arsenal.

To try and break into the top 4 will obviously take time, but it's easily achievable with our budget, the right manager and the right recruitment
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Ross on April 11, 2018, 07:26:33 PM
He'll probably get put out to pasture again

Which may mean we take him again this time for a full season Iíd have thought given our need for a centreback.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Lxxx on April 11, 2018, 07:26:57 PM
Not sure I agree. I think the squad is better than you suggest.

Pickford, Coleman and Baines are all secure. I personally would stick with Keane, get him the right partner and just play him week after week to build a proper understanding. I think he's had a rough year, but is a good player and think we will see that in time. Kenny and Holgate are good prospects to develop.

Gana and Tom Davies are secure in the middle, and it would be awesome if we could put a proper playmaker in there next to them. Baningame and Klassen could provide good depth, and I still think we should persist with Klaasen under a proper manager.

In the attacking midfield positions, Gylfi and Walcott are quality, and then we have the chance to develop Vlasic and Lookman (again, hopefully under a better manager who understands their value and potential).

And then Tosun and DCL are good forward options, and we need another genuine first team quality striker to add to that.

I think there's absolutely loads to work with there. And if you signed the right 3/4 players in the obvious positions we need, you'd have a pretty strong squad to build with that could certainly push Arsenal for 6th.



Some good points but I'm not sure when you pick the bones out of it what's left has enough quality in there. There's enough competent players who we can get an extra 30% out of under a different manager but even so we're relying on young players to kick on and it's not going to scare many teams.

The issue is we need 3 or 4 proper quality players to come into the first team and that costs a lot of money in todays market. I don't know whether Moshiri has another £100m+ to spend, bearing in mind the relatively low resale value of many of the ones we'd be looking to move on.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: kramer0 on April 14, 2018, 11:51:32 PM
I think you can make this squad watchable and pretty effective with the right coaching and the right additions. We have the foundation in place for a comfortable 7th place finish and some decent runs in the domestic cups.

Saying that, I don't even think the likes of Gana and Sigurdsson are good enough for what we really want, which is to be in the mix with the top 6 and in Europe every year. Only Coleman and Walcott are anywhere near that level right now and both of them are going to be in decline by the time the rest of the squad develops (Pickford, Davies, some others) or is rebuilt (a lot of the old, expensive trash we've bought post-Martinez).

Moyes, Martinez, Koeman/Walsh, and now Allardyce/Walsh have all played their part in letting the average age of the squad get out of control and, mostly due to the work of Martinez and Koeman/Walsh*, the quality has eroded as well.

We're in desperate need of someone who can identify cheap(ish) quality and players with genuine potential. Spending big on the best players from the bottom of the table and taking seemingly random punts on players from abroad is getting us nowhere.

* How did these two do so much worse than Martinez with so much money to spend?
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Shogun on April 15, 2018, 01:46:10 AM
Couldn't disagree more with you in regards to Gana and Sigurdsson @kramer0 (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4360)

If a player like Kante can be a major contributor to two titles then there's no reason to believe that Gana isn't good enough for top 6. I know you have issues with him in an attacking sense and they're valid but a top 6 standard manager wouldn't place that sort of expectation or responsibility on him. Like we see with the role Kante plays at Chelsea.

Sigurdsson has gotten better and better this season and considering he didn't play a pre-season with us then that bodes well for next season. We didn't see it much this season because of how awful we are against the top 6 but he regularly made the difference in those sort of matches at Swansea by coming up with goals in the biggest occasions and we need a player to do that if we are to close the gap. The fact he's a technically talented player as well as a supremely hard-working one makes him a vital asset to a top 6 charge in my opinion.

I also don't see what Walcott has done overall. Fortunately he's managed to keep himself fit so far which was a concern but he's as invisible as Mirallas much of the time.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: kramer0 on April 15, 2018, 03:30:59 AM
Couldn't disagree more with you in regards to Gana and Sigurdsson @kramer0 (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4360)

If a player like Kante can be a major contributor to two titles then there's no reason to believe that Gana isn't good enough for top 6. I know you have issues with him in an attacking sense and they're valid but a top 6 standard manager wouldn't place that sort of expectation or responsibility on him. Like we see with the role Kante plays at Chelsea.

Sigurdsson has gotten better and better this season and considering he didn't play a pre-season with us then that bodes well for next season. We didn't see it much this season because of how awful we are against the top 6 but he regularly made the difference in those sort of matches at Swansea by coming up with goals in the biggest occasions and we need a player to do that if we are to close the gap. The fact he's a technically talented player as well as a supremely hard-working one makes him a vital asset to a top 6 charge in my opinion.

I also don't see what Walcott has done overall. Fortunately he's managed to keep himself fit so far which was a concern but he's as invisible as Mirallas much of the time.


Yeah, I expect a lot of people will disagree with me. To me, the fact that theyíre two of the best players weíve bought these past two seasons is symptomatic of everything weíre doing wrong recruitment-wise.

My thoughts on Gana are pretty well known. I think his ball-winning is somewhat empty in the sense that he doesnít help us transition quickly into attack the way Kante does and that he isnít helpful at all when the opposition gets men behind the ball. I think heíd be a good midfield rotation option to use against superior opposition but to me, heís only a regular starter with a good, penetrative passer to partner him (and I donít think we know how or where to find that player).

Gylfi is a little less obvious. He works hard off the ball, has obvious technical ability, and is pretty clinical when it comes to the finish or final pass. My issue is that he doesnít get involved enough in possession over 90 minutes and that heís content to float around the periphery of the match unless a chance pops up around the box. Heís a useful player when weíre not seeing much of the ball, less so when we need to control matches against inferior opposition (which should be 13/20 teams in the league).

This is part of what happens when you sign older players from the bottom of the table. The skills needed to thrive down there are, in a lot of ways, different from what we need to get where we want to go.

I should say ó I think theyíre both pretty good players and theyíre effective in the right situation. I just think itís all wrong that theyíre two of our most important players (and that we spent such a ridiculous amount on Gylfi).
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Martip on April 15, 2018, 03:43:54 PM
It's glaringly obvious the squad needs a major overhaul despite recent investment with money having been spent very badly.....

Imo we need 2 centre halfs, a left back, two midfielders, a winger and a forward.... I make that 7.

Keane is neither clever or mobile enough and needs replacing along with the aging williams/jags who have a combined age of 250. Despite this jags easily still our best defender.

Klassen, Morgan, Rooney are no where near the answer in the engine room for differing reasons.

Bolasie is just terrible....was at the derby and he literally made my eyes bleed with one of the worst performances I've seen live in many a year.

Up front I like tosans endeavour and drive but dont think he's got the quality to lift us to challenge the top teams as is not mobile enough. Despite this he has fook all to with so it's probably a bit unfair to totally write him off.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Polledreng on April 15, 2018, 03:55:03 PM
You can't blame Sigurdsson for the fee we paid - that's just ridiculous @kramer0 (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4360) And have to say Shogun is spot on. Sigurdsson has shown so mutch more than Walcott. Have only noticed him in his first 2 games..
Title: What to do with our current squad
Post by: arteta4spain on April 15, 2018, 03:57:17 PM
I think the problem is, is that we're in sort of limbo in the sense that we're not a shit side and worried about constant relegation nor are we pushing the top six and we don't really have the recent record of hitting the top six or seven and players that we need might not be interested. It's a shit situation and it's a recurring theme. We do well (Martinez and Koemans first season) and then it goes to shit.
We can't sustain anything anymore the last time was under Moyes and the league was easier then.
If we'd found Moshiri then I think we'd be up there hopefully with Spurs and the shite, but now it's too congested and too many teams fighting for the same places. The perception of the leagues changed maybe ours need to. And in regards to that, the players we need might not come for a few more seasons yet. If you were a top drawer player or even a decent player and you were looking at us would you really wanna come here? 3 managers in a season. Inconsistency in the league, not been in Europe constantly, a failed and embarrassing europa league campaign. I just donít think right now weíre an attractive option right now.
You can spin the stadium talk all you want the majority of players will be coming here now prob wonít be here when the walk out onto Bramley Moore.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Martip on April 15, 2018, 04:01:36 PM
We definately overpaid for gylf but I reckon with more quality around him affording more time on the ball he'd be a baller.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Evertonian in NC on April 16, 2018, 12:11:15 AM
Lookman just scored a really excellent equalizer for Leipzig.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Juanito on April 16, 2018, 12:15:57 AM
Lookman just scored a really excellent equalizer for Leipzig.

He should take Bolasieís place next season.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Evertonian in NC on April 16, 2018, 12:19:53 AM
Announcers noting "not everything he does is right" but he brings a "dose of positivity" to the side and gives them the spark they lacked in the first half.

Gee, does that sound like it would be useful to anyone else?
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Juanito on April 16, 2018, 12:26:46 AM
Announcers noting "not everything he does is right" but he brings a "dose of positivity" to the side and gives them the spark they lacked in the first half.

Gee, does that sound like it would be useful to anyone else?

Iím watching this now and see he offers a lot more defensively, or perhaps could be moulded to do so a lot more easily than Bolasie can. Gonna do him the world of good training with players like Werner and Keita, even if he doesnít start every week.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: brap2 on April 16, 2018, 02:16:45 PM
Couldn't disagree more with you in regards to Gana and Sigurdsson @kramer0 (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4360)

If a player like Kante can be a major contributor to two titles then there's no reason to believe that Gana isn't good enough for top 6. I know you have issues with him in an attacking sense and they're valid but a top 6 standard manager wouldn't place that sort of expectation or responsibility on him. Like we see with the role Kante plays at Chelsea.

Sigurdsson has gotten better and better this season and considering he didn't play a pre-season with us then that bodes well for next season. We didn't see it much this season because of how awful we are against the top 6 but he regularly made the difference in those sort of matches at Swansea by coming up with goals in the biggest occasions and we need a player to do that if we are to close the gap. The fact he's a technically talented player as well as a supremely hard-working one makes him a vital asset to a top 6 charge in my opinion.

I also don't see what Walcott has done overall. Fortunately he's managed to keep himself fit so far which was a concern but he's as invisible as Mirallas much of the time.

Terrible take.

Iím a massive Gana fan, and I do think he could play in the top 6 actually, but Kante is twice the player frankly.

Sigurdsson is an individual talent with mercurial ball striking. Thatís fine if you have other good attributes e.g great vision, powerful/explosive running or good 1v1 ability, but he doesnít. Heís also the wrong side of 25 so I likely to ever show anything he hasnít showed so far.

A good tool (and a good player, again, I like him) but for top sides that number 10 or wide forward role is too important to waste on a Sigurdsson.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Evertonian in NC on April 17, 2018, 03:43:37 AM
Hey, at least we didn't sign Joe Fucking Hart.  Remember the calls for that?
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 17, 2018, 04:16:06 AM
Hey, at least we didn't sign Joe Fucking Hart.  Remember the calls for that?

At 40m too!! He's genuinely not worth 40k today. They'd give him away to get him off their books
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Grand Master C on April 17, 2018, 01:35:22 PM
Not sure I agree. I think the squad is better than you suggest.

Pickford, Coleman and Baines are all secure. I personally would stick with Keane, get him the right partner and just play him week after week to build a proper understanding. I think he's had a rough year, but is a good player and think we will see that in time. Kenny and Holgate are good prospects to develop.

Gana and Tom Davies are secure in the middle, and it would be awesome if we could put a proper playmaker in there next to them. Baningame and Klassen could provide good depth, and I still think we should persist with Klaasen under a proper manager.

In the attacking midfield positions, Gylfi and Walcott are quality, and then we have the chance to develop Vlasic and Lookman (again, hopefully under a better manager who understands their value and potential).

And then Tosun and DCL are good forward options, and we need another genuine first team quality striker to add to that.

I think there's absolutely loads to work with there. And if you signed the right 3/4 players in the obvious positions we need, you'd have a pretty strong squad to build with that could certainly push Arsenal for 6th.

I am not sure if this post makes me more optimistic for the future or depressed for the balls up that has been this season  ??? ???
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: D15TIN on April 17, 2018, 10:39:33 PM
Not sure I agree. I think the squad is better than you suggest.

Pickford, Coleman and Baines are all secure. I personally would stick with Keane, get him the right partner and just play him week after week to build a proper understanding. I think he's had a rough year, but is a good player and think we will see that in time. Kenny and Holgate are good prospects to develop.

Gana and Tom Davies are secure in the middle, and it would be awesome if we could put a proper playmaker in there next to them. Baningame and Klassen could provide good depth, and I still think we should persist with Klaasen under a proper manager.

In the attacking midfield positions, Gylfi and Walcott are quality, and then we have the chance to develop Vlasic and Lookman (again, hopefully under a better manager who understands their value and potential).

And then Tosun and DCL are good forward options, and we need another genuine first team quality striker to add to that.

I think there's absolutely loads to work with there. And if you signed the right 3/4 players in the obvious positions we need, you'd have a pretty strong squad to build with that could certainly push Arsenal for 6th.


Think I agree with most of that, we do need a young, hungry manager, whose going to build something over the next few years, let players express themselves, I am actually expecting us back in the Top 7 next season, that says more about the rest of the league than us though.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: bogie on April 18, 2018, 05:30:03 AM
get shot of all players over 32 years old and any player without pace
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: D_murph0278 on April 18, 2018, 11:30:56 PM
Easier said than done but the following need to be shown the door......
 
Stekelenburg, Martina, Williams, Scheiderlin, Rooney imo, Mirallas, maybe Bolasie, maybe even Klassen.....
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: gizzblue on April 18, 2018, 11:41:58 PM
Easier said than done but the following need to be shown the door......
 
Stekelenburg, Martina, Williams, Scheiderlin, Rooney imo, Mirallas, maybe Bolasie, maybe even Klassen.....

Exactly these players(aside Klassen not given enough time to tell) all nowhere near the level we need to strive to be at ,although Besic, McCarthy, Browning all could go too.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: brap2 on April 19, 2018, 07:23:47 AM
Perfect world for me would be :

Pickford
Other

Coleman Keane* Other Baines
Other     Jags      Other  Other

Gana Other Other
Davies Other Other

Walcott   Tosun*   Gylfi
Other      Other     Other

* maybes, like 60/40 sure they will be first teamers.

Some of the above it would be great to get a few younger, better upgrades e.g Baines, Gylfi, Tosun perhaps, but it feels a bit daft to suggest that when we have basically a black hole weíre a top 6 midfield should be and no proven game changer in the squad.

Hopefully some from :

DCL
Holgate
Henry
Lookman

Step up and take some of those Other spots.

What happens to the rest I donít really mind. Would be an egregious error if Williams for example continued to get minutes next year, but if the likes of Bolasie, FM, Niasse, got a few minutes without taking from good players or young players then sound. Equally if they are sold to the lowest bidder Iím not really arsed.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Toddacelli on April 20, 2018, 10:27:33 PM
What I can't deal with right now is being linked with every player under the sun - when clearly, nothing is in the works because the current management team have got one foot out of the door and the new management team haven't even been chosen yet (probably haven't even been approached yet).
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on April 20, 2018, 10:43:09 PM
Weíre in an awkward position whereby weíre desperate for stability and to reduce the turnover of the squad...but we need to bring in lots of quality and to get rid of a shed load of dross.

It could take a fair few transfer windows to unpick this ball of string.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: kramer0 on April 20, 2018, 10:56:58 PM
Weíre in an awkward position whereby weíre desperate for stability and to reduce the turnover of the squad...but we need to bring in lots of quality and to get rid of a shed load of dross.

It could take a fair few transfer windows to unpick this ball of string.

One of the reasons why we should have been investing serious minutes in our "good enough to be on the pitch" young players -- Calvert-Lewin, Davies, Holgate, Vlasic* -- the moment our games became meaningless. Those players are young enough to make significant improvements and if you can build a solid base with some (or all) of them, it gives you a stable platform to swap out not-good-enough older players in other positions.

But it's Allardyce who gets the stick if he does that, so...

* They're not really "young" but Klaassen and Keane (who's mostly been playing, to be fair) should probably be included here too. I'm leaving Pickford out of it because he's clearly our #1 keeper and it's a non-issue.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: brap2 on April 24, 2018, 01:25:21 PM
Perfect world for me would be :

Pickford
Other

Coleman Keane* Other Baines
Other     Jags      Other  Other

Gana Other Other
Davies Other Other

Walcott   Tosun*   Gylfi
Other      Other     Other

* maybes, like 60/40 sure they will be first teamers.

Some of the above it would be great to get a few younger, better upgrades e.g Baines, Gylfi, Tosun perhaps, but it feels a bit daft to suggest that when we have basically a black hole weíre a top 6 midfield should be and no proven game changer in the squad.

Hopefully some from :

DCL
Holgate
Henry
Lookman

Step up and take some of those Other spots.

What happens to the rest I donít really mind. Would be an egregious error if Williams for example continued to get minutes next year, but if the likes of Bolasie, FM, Niasse, got a few minutes without taking from good players or young players then sound. Equally if they are sold to the lowest bidder Iím not really arsed.

Starting to think very strongly that a better front man will be needed.

Would personally be starting DCL if we had to win games, but Iím happy with either because both need minutes.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Lxxx on April 24, 2018, 03:02:22 PM
Starting to think very strongly that a better front man will be needed.

Would personally be starting DCL if we had to win games, but I’m happy with either because both need minutes.

Absolutely. Tosun is a willing runner but compared to what we've had the past few years he's light years away and it's no wonder we don't create much as his movement is very standard, no real intelligence there. Granted we're not going to attract another Lukaku but if we're serious about making a real go at this your front man is the one you go big on.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Bluedylan on April 24, 2018, 03:04:05 PM
We don't really get or keep the ball in the final third, so not really sure we can judge Tosun personally.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Lxxx on April 24, 2018, 03:25:47 PM
We don't really get or keep the ball in the final third, so not really sure we can judge Tosun personally.

I think that's fair but we can only go off what we see at the moment. He's not awful and has some nice touches but we can't assume he'll offer more if we play a different way until we start playing a different way. I'm not getting on his back or anything but he is prone to ball watching quite often, although to be fair he is probably just bored.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: themilkycoffees on April 24, 2018, 05:04:22 PM
Starting to think very strongly that a better front man will be needed.

Would personally be starting DCL if we had to win games, but Iím happy with either because both need minutes.

Hard to judge Tosun when we don't create any chances. He doesn't look the type of player to create a goal out of nothing but not a lot of players are, especially not our players. That said, if we're going to push on and break into the top six, we do need to bring in someone else who can score goals when the team isn't creating chances. I think Tosun will be a good option though, he looks a decent finisher from what we've seen. Don't really understand what DCL has done to justify being the striker to win us games, he's not exactly clinical.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: blue slug on April 24, 2018, 05:24:01 PM
Agree with you there milky its hard to really judge a lot of the players the way we are playing under allardyce
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: brap2 on April 24, 2018, 05:26:52 PM
We don't really get or keep the ball in the final third, so not really sure we can judge Tosun personally.

Yes, only thing stopping me from being in the Ďthis guy is a turkeyí camp. As I said in a previous thread, hard to judge anyone until this mess is all behind us.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: SANA_DR0 on May 01, 2018, 12:36:28 AM
Starting to think very strongly that a better front man will be needed.

Would personally be starting DCL if we had to win games, but Iím happy with either because both need minutes.

Depends how we play.. Tosun isnt a donkey. we are wasting him using him to do the donkey work, he is a class finisher,, but we're not set up to use him at what he's great at (finishing chances).
If  we want a striker to do the hard/dirty work, we should play Tosun with DCL.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Jimmywhack on May 01, 2018, 12:53:35 AM
Tosun is a proper finisher imo. If we give him chances he will score goals.

Sadly we are so negative that the team is about fifty yards away from him aiming hopeless balls at him
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: brap2 on May 01, 2018, 01:09:30 AM
That goal was special like.

Saw someone saying heís a bit harry Kane ish.

Is he? That goal had a shade of him, in that he got half a yard and buried it. The xg for that shot wasnít very high I canít imagine but he stuck it low into the corner. Sort of goal Kane scores lots of.

Would really like to see a good creator behind him. Or yeah, another cf alongside him. Just chances would be good.

He did a good bit of silkyness as well after the goal - sort of spun one or two men and drove into the box. Would love to see more of that but yeah, at the moment heís chasing flickons or running
channels like a shane long which obviously isnít ideal, and would arguably suit DCL better.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: D15TIN on May 01, 2018, 01:23:47 AM
We don't really get or keep the ball in the final third, so not really sure we can judge Tosun personally.
This
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: dunkster on May 02, 2018, 01:54:29 PM
So according to kenwright - klaasen, Ramires and vlasic are not going to be sold in the summer and will be given more chance to adapt and prove themselves.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Waltzer on May 02, 2018, 01:57:55 PM
So according to kenwright - klaasen, Ramires and vlasic are not going to be sold in the summer and will be given more chance to adapt and prove themselves.

If that is the case, and I hope it is to some extent, its criminal if all of those that are available arent included in the match day squads for the remaining games
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: dunkster on May 02, 2018, 02:04:59 PM
Its been criminal that klaasen hasnt found minutes with the shit that tom davis, rooney, morgan and co. Have been playing.

I'd have had a lot more respect for allardyce that once we were safe and past the city and Liverpool games that he had played klaasen and vlasic a fair bit. He could have said our results may suffer but it's important to see what they can do. But instead he made it all about himself 'Not getting it in the neck'
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: blue slug on May 02, 2018, 03:46:52 PM
If its true about those three staying then hopefully that means allardyce leaving as he clearly doesnít rate them
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Toffee1 on May 02, 2018, 03:55:29 PM
If its true about those three staying then hopefully that means allardyce leaving as he clearly doesnít rate them

I was thinking that last night, as for the last couple of weeks, Allardyce has been saying that the squad needs to be trimmed down and hinted that it would be the players on the fringes. Kenwright has gone against that with this statement.

I suppose we will just have to 'Watch This Space' and see what happens. I suspect that if anything is going to happen (fingers and toes crossed that it does), it will be more likely at the end of next week as the season draws to an end.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Jimmywhack on May 02, 2018, 03:58:09 PM
Not sure who chats the more wham.... Allardyce or kenwright
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Macca77 on May 02, 2018, 04:05:44 PM
Sandro won't be coming back, that's for sure.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Shogun on May 02, 2018, 04:22:01 PM
Sandro won't be coming back, that's for sure.

Seems the sort to just go AWOL
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: dunkster on May 02, 2018, 04:51:19 PM
Sandro won't be coming back, that's for sure.

Oh I dunno, if there's a new manager in place,(that he respects) who says to him I've seen you play and it's what I believe will be fit into how I want to play..could happen
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Gash on May 02, 2018, 05:50:17 PM
Saw an interview with Koeman saying he was disappointed with how Klaassen had turned out and doubts he'll ever adapt to the Premier League.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Macca77 on May 02, 2018, 06:05:22 PM
Interesting instragram from Schneiderlin

https://twitter.com/everton4life88/status/991606386038583296
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Brownie20 on May 02, 2018, 06:16:03 PM
Interesting instragram from Schneiderlin

https://twitter.com/everton4life88/status/991606386038583296

She's expecting
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Gash on May 02, 2018, 06:17:37 PM
Maybe she's pregnant?
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: dunkster on May 02, 2018, 06:44:27 PM
So that's where he's been directing his energy and work ethic....into her minge
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: sam of the south on May 02, 2018, 06:51:51 PM
So that's where he's been directing his energy and work ethic....into her minge

Canít blame him really
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: gizzblue on May 02, 2018, 07:08:37 PM
So that's where he's been directing his energy and work ethic....into her minge

Fuck me I'm suprised he can even score in the bedroom that cunt .
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Macca77 on May 02, 2018, 07:21:03 PM
I want him to stay, he's been slowly getting back his best recently
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: brap2 on May 02, 2018, 07:59:53 PM
I want him to stay, he's been slowly getting back his best recently

Not worth the risk imo.

Sell.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Brownie20 on May 03, 2018, 06:16:48 AM
What about the forgotten man Brendan Galloway? Gutted how things have turned out for him. Thought he was going to do well for us
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Alanvideo on May 03, 2018, 02:33:24 PM
What about the forgotten man Brendan Galloway? Gutted how things have turned out for him. Thought he was going to do well for us
................me too .He looked decent when he had a run in our first team. Only played 10 games in 2 seasons for WBA and Sunderland. Must be back at FF now ,him and Tyas Browning
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on May 03, 2018, 03:08:02 PM
The transfer window opens is just over 5 weeks and closes in 14 weeks time.

Quite scary how many decisions need to be made about backroom and playing staff before then.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Waltzer on May 03, 2018, 03:46:19 PM
Looks like Henry might be staying out on loan?

It appears that negotiations are underway between Everton and Anderlecht that could see Henry Onyekuru playing in Belgium for another year. As reported by Belgian outlet Het Laatste Nieuws (HLN) in their print edition, an agreement is in the draft stage for the Purple & White to keep the young forward.

However, any negotiations for the Nigerian to extend his loan period appear contingent on Anderlecht qualifying for the Champions League. The club are currently sitting in third place in the Jupiler League playoff stage with four games left to play. Anderlecht are tied on points with second-placed Genk, and four points adrift of leaders Standard Liege.

His broker William DíAvila added in comments to the same daily -

ďThatís right. If Henry could play in the Champions League with Anderlecht, that would make the conversations easier.

ďAt the moment our focus is on the return of Henry and his chances for World Cup participation. Afterwards, all options are open: Everton, Anderlecht or another European club.Ē

Reports from Italy say that AC Milan have been linked with the player recently after receiving glowing reports from their scouts before the player got injured. Onyekuru played an hour on Monday for the Anderlecht reserves after getting 25 minutes the previous week in his first appearance on the pitch in 2018.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Shogun on May 03, 2018, 03:52:54 PM
Absolutely no way he should be going out on loan again.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Escla on May 03, 2018, 04:00:43 PM
Absolutely no way he should be going out on loan again.

If Allardyce has a say in the matter and sanctions a new loan deal that will be the final straw.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: brap2 on May 03, 2018, 04:37:32 PM
Absolutely no way he should be going out on loan again.

Does he qualify for a permit next year?
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on May 03, 2018, 05:38:28 PM
Yeah, unless Henry gets to the WC and gets more caps, he wonít qualify for a work permit.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: SANA_DR0 on May 03, 2018, 09:36:47 PM
I want him to stay, he's been slowly getting back his best recently

I see it differently, I see him playing better due to him putting himself in the shop window.

Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Lxxx on May 03, 2018, 09:39:50 PM
Depends how we play.. Tosun isnt a donkey. we are wasting him using him to do the donkey work, he is a class finisher,, but we're not set up to use him at what he's great at (finishing chances).
If  we want a striker to do the hard/dirty work, we should play Tosun with DCL.

I don't think DCL is experienced or strong enough to do the leg work. He plays on the fringes and will chase balls into the corner all day long but while we have Tosun stood in the box and the rest of the side 40 yards away we're wasting them both.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: dunkster on May 03, 2018, 09:42:48 PM
I think dcl needs a season on loan, as long as we buy in a quality striker. That's also dependant upon us playing one striker up front.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Lxxx on May 03, 2018, 09:43:33 PM
Absolutely no way he should be going out on loan again.

He should definitely be going out on loan. He was playing at a not too dissimilar level to Lookman before he joined Anderlecht this season and he's missed a lot of the season through injury. Lookman was way off the pace in terms of his overall play when he arrived so I'd hate to see Henry be in that position. Let him progress, play in the Champions League and then come when he's had another year.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: SANA_DR0 on May 03, 2018, 09:47:38 PM
I don't think DCL is experienced or strong enough to do the leg work. He plays on the fringes and will chase balls into the corner all day long but while we have Tosun stood in the box and the rest of the side 40 yards away we're wasting them both.

I agree with this, but we have no one else in our squad atm,. who can do the donkey work.... hopefully we wont need a striker to do the donkey work, cos Allardyce would be gone by the start of next season....

i hate that 40 yards away from the rest of the team shit, we did it with Lukaku for years... its not how you attack, i dont know any other team whose midfielders/2 wide men; be so far away from the central striker.. shocking really.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: dunkster on May 03, 2018, 09:54:54 PM
I do hope the media ask SA about the club (kenwright)keeping klaasen and Sandra next year at his press conference.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Macca77 on May 03, 2018, 11:42:50 PM
Beningame has signed a new 4 year contract
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Hannibal Lecter on May 03, 2018, 11:52:22 PM
Absolutely no way he should be going out on loan again.
And if he does ut should preferably choose Oldham, Derby or such...
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: kramer0 on May 17, 2018, 09:48:45 PM
Outgoing

Definite

Williams - He's been poor and he's not going to improve.
Rooney - Harsh because he's played an important role this season but he's on big wages and there's a firm offer on the table.
Funes Mori - He's so rash and unpredictable that I just can't get behind him. You could argue that he deserves a chance under a new manager but I don't think he's worth the fuss.
Robles - Contract expiring. No reason to renew.
Besic - He will almost certainly be wanted by Boro so it should be an easy sale. Again, you could argue that he deserves a chance under a new manager but I don't think he offers enough on the ball to be worth it.
Mirallas - No sane club should want him but someone will inevitably talk themselves into it.

If Possible

Martina - He did a solid job in difficult circumstances this season but he's plainly not good enough for this level. I really can't see anybody buying him, unfortunately.
McCarthy - I don't see a way back into the team for him, especially as our biggest need in midfield is extra quality on the ball. Unlikely to be sold coming off a major injury, though.
Garbutt - Zero use to us but I can't imagine anybody would want him given the wage he's on.

After Being Evaluated By New Manager

Schneiderlin - I think there's a chance the new manager will be able to use him but if not, he's a prime candidate to be sold.
Bolasie - I'm not a fan but I'm open to the possibility that he'll have some utility to the new boss.
Klaassen - He's been professional in difficult circumstances. Hopefully, he can show what he's about in a set-up more amenable to his style. Should be easy to unload if we decide he's not needed.
Sandro - If he's even willing to return. I have my reservations (https://differentgame.wordpress.com/2017/07/04/the-data-scout-sandro-ramirez/ (https://differentgame.wordpress.com/2017/07/04/the-data-scout-sandro-ramirez/)) but I can also see someone like Silva improving his attacking positioning him and helping him become the goalscorer we thought he was at Malaga. Should be an easy sale if he goes.

Sell If You Can Upgrade

Niasse - This is tough because I absolutely love what he brings off the bench. Still, he's ill-suited to starting matches and the squad would probably be better off with another forward who can challenge Calvert-Lewin and Tosun for starts. (And we absolutely don't need four centre forwards on our books.)

Incoming

Any incomings players should be age 25 or younger. This squad is old and we're not close to winning anything. We shouldn't do anything that might hamstring us in the near future.

Also, I've tried to "bring in" as few players as possible because I'm wary of too much upheaval given changes at the top of the club, a shortened pre-season due to the World Cup, and what happened last summer.

No Matter What

CM - Anyone who helps us progress the ball into the final third, either through passing or dribbling. We don't get the ball into attacking positions enough and that's the #1 thing that needs to change going into next season.
LB - Someone with genuine creative ability to replace Baines (who should be retained as a reliable cover/rotation option)
CB - A strong defender, preferably comfortable on the left side of defense, to replace Jagielka (who, again, should be retained as reliable cover)

If The Right Player Is Available

CF - It's only worth it if we get an opportunity to sign someone with genuine quality or obvious potential (like Tammy Abraham, who's coming off a poor year for a horrible attacking side but is still a serious prospect). Centre forwards are expensive and the vast majority of them aren't worth the fuss.

It Depends

CM - If we sell enough midfielders, we may need someone extra.
RW/LW - There are a lot of factors here. Are we selling Bolasie and/or Sandro? Is Onyekuru going on loan? Do we think we can cover these positions with Sigurdsson/Sandro/Lookman/Vlasic? Is a big talent like Lozano available? So yeah, no clue.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: brap2 on May 18, 2018, 06:39:37 AM
CM - Max Meyer contract running out. Hes Young but good enough by far. Carvalho linked, like for like with schneiderlin. Paredes, bit of a mix of both, could you tempt from zenit? Frenkie De Jong a bit early and destined for CL?

LB - honesty no idea. Would have said Luke Shaw was nailed on for Walshy, but Franky Fabra could be a goer under Brands,despite the seemingly Cronenbergian timeline.

CB - someone said Tah? Like the idea of that. De Ligt if we want to go down the Stones route. I think I would prefer an athletically dominant CB...Mawson still realistic?

CF - iheanacho would be my choice if Leicester aren’t entirely convinced. Would still be interested in dembele, embolo, Dolberg, Willian Josť....belotti ? Someone has to buy him at some point.

Superstar factor : neres, lozano, mahrez (old but OK), bergwijn, kluivert, Oyarzabal, inaki Williams, Adama traore, guedes, ziyech, sisto, demarai gray, James Maddison.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: American Evertonian on May 18, 2018, 09:57:32 AM
CM - Max Meyer contract running out. Hes Young but good enough by far. Carvalho linked, like for like with schneiderlin. Paredes, bit of a mix of both, could you tempt from zenit? Frenkie De Jong a bit early and destined for CL?

LB - honesty no idea. Would have said Luke Shaw was nailed on for Walshy, but Franky Fabra could be a goer under Brands,despite the seemingly Cronenbergian timeline.

CB - someone said Tah? Like the idea of that. De Ligt if we want to go down the Stones route. I think I would prefer an athletically dominant CB...Mawson still realistic?

CF - iheanacho would be my choice if Leicester arenít entirely convinced. Would still be interested in dembele, embolo, Dolberg, Willian Josť....belotti ? Someone has to buy him at some point.

Superstar factor : neres, lozano, mahrez (old but OK), bergwijn, kluivert, Oyarzabal, inaki Williams, Adama traore, guedes, sisto, demarai gray, James Maddison.

I could get on board with some of these for sure.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: SANA_DR0 on May 18, 2018, 04:04:23 PM
CM - Max Meyer contract running out. Hes Young but good enough by far. Carvalho linked, like for like with schneiderlin. Paredes, bit of a mix of both, could you tempt from zenit? Frenkie De Jong a bit early and destined for CL?

LB - honesty no idea. Would have said Luke Shaw was nailed on for Walshy, but Franky Fabra could be a goer under Brands,despite the seemingly Cronenbergian timeline.

CB - someone said Tah? Like the idea of that. De Ligt if we want to go down the Stones route. I think I would prefer an athletically dominant CB...Mawson still realistic?

CF - iheanacho would be my choice if Leicester arenít entirely convinced. Would still be interested in dembele, embolo, Dolberg, Willian Josť....belotti ? Someone has to buy him at some point.

Superstar factor : neres, lozano, mahrez (old but OK), bergwijn, kluivert, Oyarzabal, inaki Williams, Adama traore, guedes, sisto, demarai gray, James Maddison.

Wanted Dolberg here since the beginning of last season.. wish Brands can twist his arm.. Dolberg and Tosun would be a pretty lethal partnership with Mayer in behind them.. Maddison would also be a great signing..Cant see him playing week in week out for any club above us..
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: dunkster on May 18, 2018, 09:18:09 PM
Klaasen looking to stay and fight for his place next season, apparently.
I like that in a player.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on May 18, 2018, 10:45:03 PM
Klaasen looking to stay and fight for his place next season, apparently.
I like that in a player.
TBF whatís the alternative? He ainít going back to Ajax on £100k a week.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: kramer0 on May 18, 2018, 11:05:06 PM
TBF what's the alternative? He ain't going back to Ajax on £100k a week.

Iím pretty confident that some good European sides would be interested if he was available.

Iím happy he wants to stick around to show the new boss what he has to offer. He was arguably the least suited of our new signings to Koeman/Allardyce long-ball tactics and probably has the most to gain from us hiring someone more progressive.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Jimmywhack on May 18, 2018, 11:37:58 PM
I'm pretty confident that some good European sides would be interested if he was available.

I'm happy he wants to stick around to show the new boss what he has to offer. He was arguably the least suited of our new signings to Koeman/Allardyce long-ball tactics and probably has the most to gain from us hiring someone more progressive.
Good on him for wanting to stay and fight for his place. He has nothing to lose and neither do we, it's not like clubs are banging down the doors for him and he's rejecting moves
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Ramjam on May 19, 2018, 02:41:32 AM
He did reject a loan to Napoli in January though
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Brownie20 on May 19, 2018, 03:22:09 AM
Literally never wanted a player to come good as much as I do for Davy
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: blue slug on May 19, 2018, 03:36:15 AM
CM - Max Meyer contract running out. Hes Young but good enough by far. Carvalho linked, like for like with schneiderlin. Paredes, bit of a mix of both, could you tempt from zenit? Frenkie De Jong a bit early and destined for CL?

LB - honesty no idea. Would have said Luke Shaw was nailed on for Walshy, but Franky Fabra could be a goer under Brands,despite the seemingly Cronenbergian timeline.

CB - someone said Tah? Like the idea of that. De Ligt if we want to go down the Stones route. I think I would prefer an athletically dominant CB...Mawson still realistic?

CF - iheanacho would be my choice if Leicester arenít entirely convinced. Would still be interested in dembele, embolo, Dolberg, Willian Josť....belotti ? Someone has to buy him at some point.

Superstar factor : neres, lozano, mahrez (old but OK), bergwijn, kluivert, Oyarzabal, inaki Williams, Adama traore, guedes, ziyech, sisto, demarai gray, James Maddison.

Good suggestions there matey and realistic
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: blue slug on May 19, 2018, 03:37:55 AM
Think someone at the echo mentioned Fabinho from Monaco and Phillip Max a German left back
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Outworlder47 on May 19, 2018, 09:34:53 AM
He did reject a loan to Napoli in January though

To be fair he wouldn't sniff their XI, especially not while Napoli was chasing the Serie A title. Hamsik (attack), Jorginho (distribute), and the Brazilian Allan (protect) have been the preferred midfield three with Zielinski tending to come on for one of them each match. Klaassen would play most similarly to either of the first two, and he's not currently shown that level of play.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: GLewis on May 19, 2018, 12:37:08 PM
To be fair he wouldn't sniff their XI, especially not while Napoli was chasing the Serie A title. Hamsik (attack), Jorginho (distribute), and the Brazilian Allan (protect) have been the preferred midfield three with Zielinski tending to come on for one of them each match. Klaassen would play most similarly to either of the first two, and he's not currently shown that level of play.

I was wondering whether he had the physical attributes to play how Napoli do.

So Iíd be interested if in a more coherent attacking system whether thereís something thatís heís lost here that can be extracted by a more suitable tactical approach.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 19, 2018, 01:07:08 PM
Literally never wanted a player to come good as much as I do for Davy

Be great if him and Sandro make decent contributions next season
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Lxxx on May 19, 2018, 03:43:41 PM
Be great if him and Sandro make decent contributions next season

Save us a fortune if they turn out to be able to contribute. Plus theyíre both a good age to invest in and hopefully improve.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Dr. Sponge on May 19, 2018, 05:47:35 PM
Be great if him and Sandro make decent contributions next season

Hopefully, but it doesnít bode well that he went on loan in January to get more playing time and only made one appearance.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: SANA_DR0 on May 19, 2018, 06:20:04 PM
I can see Sandro running down his contract with us, as no one will pay him anything like what we do, i feel we need to get rid of over 50% of our players and buy a whole new team..

keep the youngsters + Rooney/Jags/Baines and Gueye, bin the rest.

This summers going to be fun.. more fun than last year and the Siggy saga.

I dont even care if we get Raiola's lesser stars just to give them a better shop window.. hopefully by the time we come to sell them.. we'd be regular top 6... so they might even stay!
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Dr. Sponge on May 19, 2018, 06:46:53 PM
I can see Sandro running down his contract with us, as no one will pay him anything like what we do, i feel we need to get rid of over 50% of our players and buy a whole new team..

keep the youngsters + Rooney/Jags/Baines and Gueye, bin the rest.

This summers going to be fun.. more fun than last year and the Siggy saga.

I dont even care if we get Raiola's lesser stars just to give them a better shop window.. hopefully by the time we come to sell them.. we'd be regular top 6... so they might even stay!

Counting your chickens a little early, but I like the optimism.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Rodenplav64 on May 19, 2018, 07:44:11 PM
Some football manager like spending sprees on here .
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Lxxx on May 19, 2018, 11:34:18 PM
Pretty sure a proper manager who can coach would get more of a tune out of Sandro and Klaassan.

Not saying theyíll definitely come good but Iíd like to think if theyíre here next season theyíd show more than weíve seen so far.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: brap2 on May 19, 2018, 11:44:28 PM
Some football manager like spending sprees on here .

Ä100m budget, maybe plus whatever we pull in from transfers.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: blue slug on May 20, 2018, 01:17:49 AM
Ä100m budget, maybe plus whatever we pull in from transfers.


100m wonít really sort us out
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: GLewis on May 20, 2018, 01:26:24 AM
100m wonít really sort us out

Although the money has ballooned thereís no way that with good scouting etc that £100m wonít improve us.

We just need to avoid overpaying in the English market.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: SANA_DR0 on May 20, 2018, 02:20:26 AM
we made 128 million this season on TV rights/finishing where we did in the league, at the very minimum i expect that to be invested... we really should be investing another 72m on top of that.. with some Lukaku cash, and the players we will offload.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: sam of the south on May 20, 2018, 02:35:32 AM
Ä100m budget, maybe plus whatever we pull in from transfers.


About an extra £50, then  ;)
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Mayor Farnum on May 20, 2018, 02:56:32 AM
Pretty sure a proper manager who can coach would get more of a tune out of Sandro and Klaassan.

Not saying theyíll definitely come good but Iíd like to think if theyíre here next season theyíd show more than weíve seen so far.

Assuming Sig will be in the team as well we'll have to add lot of pace to the rest of the team in that case.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: GLewis on May 20, 2018, 03:04:24 AM
we made 128 million this season on TV rights/finishing where we did in the league, at the very minimum i expect that to be invested... we really should be investing another 72m on top of that.. with some Lukaku cash, and the players we will offload.

We have expenses to be paid too though (most of it wages).

That £128m isnít profit.

Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: GLewis on May 20, 2018, 03:05:43 AM
Assuming Sig will be in the team as well we'll have to add lot of pace to the rest of the team in that case.

Yes that would be true. But those two donít have to be in the team.

Just being able to use them as part of the squad would be a big improvement.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: SANA_DR0 on May 20, 2018, 03:18:55 AM
We have expenses to be paid too though (most of it wages).

That £128m isnít profit.

Regardless of where we finished, we would have to pay the wages and expenses anyway.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: TheTone on May 20, 2018, 03:20:26 AM
We have expenses to be paid too though (most of it wages).

That £128m isnít profit.



not to mention paying off various managers , doesn't take long to spend that
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: GLewis on May 20, 2018, 04:23:29 AM
Regardless of where we finished, we would have to pay the wages and expenses anyway.

Yes but the prize money is budgeted at the start of the year.

Iíd imagine we budgeted to finish 7th (we got the 7th most money) so we wonít now have loads more unexpected funds.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on May 20, 2018, 04:28:40 AM
I doubt Moshiri would have scrapped the off-field staff, restructured the board - just to tread water. Heíll support the new manager and technical director, financially.

Heíll know that revamping the squad will take more than a couple of seasons anyway, so itís not like we have to find all the money to get us where he wants us to be, all at once.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Jimmywhack on May 20, 2018, 04:34:35 AM
There's Not a chance in the world that we are gonna get rid of 10 plus players and replace them like people seem to think, it's gonna take time and a plan, hopefully brands can provide that platform
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Lxxx on May 20, 2018, 04:40:14 AM
Weíve got a huge squad at the minute. Iíd be amazed if we bring in more than 4-5 whilst letting 7-8 go.
The next manager will have to work with the majority of the players that have failed us the past 18 months. Heíll have find a system and develop a style that gets the best out of what we have. Which should still be comfortably enough to at least be the best of the rest next season, which is where weíll be budgeting to finish.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Confucius on May 20, 2018, 04:43:08 AM
I don't think we need to let 10 players go. 3-4 might be let go, some of the others will be good for depth. We need a few areas of improvement, a better manager and things will be vastly different.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: brap2 on May 20, 2018, 05:35:57 AM
Being extremely conservative, I would say :

1. Williams
2. Mirallas

Slightly less conservative would include also :

3. Rooney
4. Schneiderlin
5. Funes Mori
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Trowel on May 20, 2018, 02:19:42 PM
Personally I'd like to see Schneiderlin get a run out under a new coach and tactics. He showed enough toward the end of the season to suggest he can cement his place in the starting eleven.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: fubarruk on May 20, 2018, 02:28:56 PM
we made 128 million this season on TV rights/finishing where we did in the league, at the very minimum i expect that to be invested... we really should be investing another 72m on top of that.. with some Lukaku cash, and the players we will offload.
You do realise football clubs also cost money to run and not every penny that comes in can go back out on transfers..?

If spending £128 million is the 'minimum' you expect I'd set yourself up for some dissapointment.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: phillyt on May 20, 2018, 02:41:22 PM
I was thinking about our squad a couple of days ago. Assuming (hopefully incorrectly) that we make no signings how do we look,

          Pickford
Coleman Keane jags Baines
(Kenny)    (Mori holgate)
   Gueye davies
 (baningime, Schneiderlin, rooney)
Lookman sigurdson walcott
(Klaasen, bolasie, Vlasic, mirralas)
          tosun
  (Niasse, dcl, sandro)

I think with more confidence Keane and klaasen could prove useful. Holgate May improve enough to make jags a decent back up. And we have no back up for Baines. Defensive mid is ok the 3 behind the striker is a good mix of pace and craft and tosun has impressed.

That side, with guidance, motivation and fitness would keep us were we are, maybe push 6th if Arsenalís decline continues.

I think we need to prioritise the backline in the summer. A quality left back to replace/back up Baines is a must and at least 1/2 center backs. Beyond that Iíd say a striker to replace/back up tosun would be helpful.

Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Thornton_19 on May 20, 2018, 03:02:33 PM
I feel that we will sell 3 or 4 and bring in probably
Left back
Center back
Winger
Center mid
Striker.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: sam of the south on May 20, 2018, 04:51:53 PM
I reckon we could move on 8, bring in 5, and have four returning loans (Lookman, Robinson, Besic, and Sandro could go into the first-team squad; I feel Dowell may go out on loan again)

I think the areas we will look to strengthen are:
LB
CB
CB
CM/DCM
W/FW
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Goaljira on May 20, 2018, 04:54:42 PM
There's Not a chance in the world that we are gonna get rid of 10 plus players and replace them like people seem to think, it's gonna take time and a plan, hopefully brands can provide that platform

I'd be quite happy seeing 12 go and 4 come in.  We've got something ridiculous like 38 first team players which without Europe is far far too many.

Robles
Martina
Connolly
Williams
Funes Mori
Browning
Galloway
Garbutt
Mirallas
Rooney
McCarthy
Besic

Could lose all those and not even notice.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Jimmywhack on May 20, 2018, 04:57:27 PM
I'd be quite happy seeing 12 go and 4 come in.  We've got something ridiculous like 38 first team players which without Europe is far far too many.

Robles
Martina
Connolly
Williams
Funes Mori
Browning
Galloway
Garbutt
Mirallas
Rooney
McCarthy
Besic

Could lose all those and not even notice.
Yeah was thinking this last night I should have changed my post to ten out of the matchday squads as there's plenty of shite in the actual squad that we could easily lose
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Toffee1 on May 20, 2018, 05:03:37 PM
I'm more confident that Brands will do what is needed than Steve (Arthur Daley) Walsh.

Read some positive articles about Robinson's loan at Bolton and Lookman (despite what the previous manager said) has had a very positive loan away.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: SANA_DR0 on May 20, 2018, 06:08:24 PM
There's Not a chance in the world that we are gonna get rid of 10 plus players and replace them like people seem to think, it's gonna take time and a plan, hopefully brands can provide that platform

I'm just thinking of Martina, Schneiderlin, Bolasie,Williams, Tarashaj and maybe Becis ( *sadface* )

atleast buy 5-6 players who can improve the squad, the rest of the squad can be full of the youngsters we have.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: SANA_DR0 on May 20, 2018, 06:14:09 PM
You do realise football clubs also cost money to run and not every penny that comes in can go back out on transfers..?

If spending £128 million is the 'minimum' you expect I'd set yourself up for some dissapointment.

we spent that much last year. i think its like 250 million since Moshiri has been in charge..
I wont be disappointed at all even if we just spend 50 million, its how you invest the money.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: blue slug on May 20, 2018, 09:59:07 PM
we spent that much last year. i think its like 250 million since Moshiri has been in charge..
I wont be disappointed at all even if we just spend 50 million, its how you invest the money.

Thatís my issue you say itís how you invest and we invest it badly, Keane and Klaassen is 50m and shite
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Silas on May 20, 2018, 10:33:15 PM
Thatís my issue you say itís how you invest and we invest it badly, Keane and Klaassen is 50m and shite

Hence new DOF and Manager and CEO though things could change dramatically and it's not going to take much for that to be an upward change
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Macca77 on May 21, 2018, 02:36:30 PM
Get rid of the shite and bring in 3 or 4 quality players.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Cereal Killer on May 21, 2018, 02:51:11 PM
Get rid of the shite and bring in 3 or 4 quality players.

We still need to be able to field 11 players!
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: TheTone on May 21, 2018, 04:50:33 PM
it still amazes me that the players in general get off too lightly

even this thread has only 18 pages

manager threads though? fucking hell, lively those
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: SANA_DR0 on May 21, 2018, 05:17:52 PM
it still amazes me that the players in general get off too lightly

even this thread has only 18 pages

manager threads though? fucking hell, lively those

you made me chuckle.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: themilkycoffees on May 21, 2018, 05:27:49 PM
The only players I definitely want us to keep are Pickford, Coleman, Kenny, Holgate, Gana, Beni, Vlasic, Sigurdsson, Lookman, Walcott, Niasse, Tosun. A lot of those only because they're young players who shouldn't be judged on a terrible season. I wouldn't be arsed about losing any of the others.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Hesmenos on May 21, 2018, 05:40:30 PM
I think a big part of Brands job will be trimming the squad. We had too many players last year when we were in the Europa, we have far too many this year especially if we are looking to add a few as well.
It won't be easy either, as we have a lot of dross and with many of them on high wages.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: arteta4spain on May 21, 2018, 05:43:13 PM
The only players I definitely want us to keep are Pickford, Coleman, Kenny, Holgate, Gana, Beni, Vlasic, Sigurdsson, Lookman, Walcott, Niasse, Tosun. A lot of those only because they're young players who shouldn't be judged on a terrible season. I wouldn't be arsed about losing any of the others.
No Davies? Really?
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: ChewyIsABlue on May 21, 2018, 05:53:17 PM
I agree with no Davies and I'm still not sure about Kenny either. Would loan them both out next year. But would have Calvert-Lewin, still think he could turn into a superb striker.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: themilkycoffees on May 21, 2018, 05:54:28 PM
No Davies? Really?

I wouldn't mind if we kept Davies. Obviously got ability, but not sure if he's good enough to be playing CM for us if we want to progress. Just my opinion.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Jimmywhack on May 21, 2018, 06:01:56 PM
We can easily lose

Robles
Steklenburg
Galloway
Browning
Garbutt
Williams
Martina
Besic (tempted to keep)
Mirallas
Bolasie

And it have minimal effect. Probs get about 20-30m there

If Sandro is desperate to go add him to it although id like to see him with a different management style

Bring in 3 or 4 and then see where we stand
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: TheRam on May 21, 2018, 06:08:19 PM
I reckon there's about 8 players you could lose that wouldnt need replacing there.

Galloway, shame really as i really rated him. Shows what happens if you just loan players out with no thought.
Browning
Martina
Williams
One of the keepers
Garbutt
Besic
Sandro

Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: themilkycoffees on May 21, 2018, 06:09:33 PM
We can easily lose

Robles
Steklenburg
Galloway
Browning
Garbutt
Williams
Martina
Besic (tempted to keep)
Mirallas
Bolasie

And it have minimal effect. Probs get about 20-30m there

If Sandro is desperate to go add him to it although id like to see him with a different management style

Bring in 3 or 4 and then see where we stand

Surely worth keeping Stekelenburg as the sub GK? Robles too good to sit on our bench forever.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Macca77 on May 21, 2018, 06:12:29 PM
Robles has already gone hasn't he? Sure I read somewhere that he has already signed a pre contract agreement with a Spanish club
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: themilkycoffees on May 21, 2018, 06:15:31 PM
Heard lots of rumours he was signing for Getafe. Makes sense with him being from Madrid originally. Not sure anything was actually confirmed, although his contract is up so he'll definitely be going somewhere. Decent move for him, think they finished top 10 in La Liga this season.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Lxxx on May 21, 2018, 06:19:35 PM
Surely worth keeping Stekelenburg as the sub GK? Robles too good to sit on our bench forever.


Stek was visibly declining under Koeman, he's only going to get worse sitting on his arse as his birthdays tick off. You want your third goalkeeper to be a young lad and your reserve goalkeeper able to do a reliable job if needed.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: themilkycoffees on May 21, 2018, 06:24:22 PM
Stek was visibly declining under Koeman, he's only going to get worse sitting on his arse as his birthdays tick off. You want your third goalkeeper to be a young lad and your reserve goalkeeper able to do a reliable job if needed.

Visibly declining in what way? He kept 2 clean sheets in 3 games this season and his form got him back in the Dutch squad the year before. Saves us spending any money on a keeper who's just coming to sit on the bench. Have we even got any decent young keepers coming through?
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: brap2 on May 21, 2018, 06:25:49 PM
Deffo some additions I missed by accident in there yeah. Robles, McCarthy, Besic, Garbutt, got to be another £20m in shifting them..
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: TheRam on May 21, 2018, 06:27:17 PM
Robles has had a deal agreed with Getafe since last summer.

Was told to sit on his contract and get that sweet signing on fee
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Macca77 on May 21, 2018, 06:29:42 PM
Deffo some additions I missed by accident in there yeah. Robles, McCarthy, Besic, Garbutt, got to be another £20m in shifting them..

Can't see McCarthy leaving anytime soon, won't be fit until November / December
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Macca77 on May 21, 2018, 06:30:58 PM
Robles has had a deal agreed with Getafe since last summer.

Was told to sit on his contract and get that sweet signing on fee

A million peseta's which works out at about 37p
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Jimmywhack on May 21, 2018, 06:33:30 PM
A million peseta's which works out at about 37p
Pesetas ha
Kids, ask your dad
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: TheRam on May 21, 2018, 06:38:41 PM
A million peseta's which works out at about 37p

wot r peseta's m8
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Ramjam on May 21, 2018, 06:40:05 PM
wot r peseta's m8
Old Spanish currency
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Macca77 on May 21, 2018, 07:26:44 PM
Pesetas ha
Kids, ask your dad

Remember going to Spain on hols when I was a kid and my mum and dad giving me 10,000 pesetas to spend, I thought I was loaded, think it worked out at just over 9 quid
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Alanvideo on May 21, 2018, 07:36:38 PM
Old Spanish currency
........................was working in Spain when the currency changed on 1st.Jan 2002. The supermarkets had smart  tills so you could pay in pesetas and get your change in euros otherwise it would have been chaos.
There was an amnesty on 'black money ' . People were queuing up at the banks with bags of old peseta notes to change into euros.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: brap2 on May 21, 2018, 07:56:40 PM
Did one of them have a little hole in it? Seem to remember that.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Jimmywhack on May 21, 2018, 08:03:49 PM
Did one of them have a little hole in it? Seem to remember that.
Yeah perfect for burning off a bit of rocky
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: gizzblue on May 21, 2018, 08:07:21 PM
Yeah perfect for burning off a bit of rocky

Haha my miss spent youth comes flooding back 😅😅.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Evertonian in NC on May 21, 2018, 08:26:24 PM
Yeah perfect for burning off a bit of rocky

God, how I love all of the cutesy drug references I have learned here.  NSNO!!
Title: Keep / Sell / Loan - What would you do?
Post by: gslick on June 01, 2018, 03:40:02 PM
This is Everton's first team, I would do the following for us to get into the top 6

S = Sell
L = Loan
The rest I would keep and buy new players

Jordan Pickford
Morgan Schneiderlin (S)
Leighton Baines
Michael Keane
Ashley Williams (S)
Phil Jagielka
Yannick Bolasie
Tom Davies
Sandro Ramirez (S)
Wayne Rooney  (S)
Kevin Mirallas (S)
Theo Walcott
Cenk Tosun
Cuco Martina
James McCarthy (S)
Idrissa Gueye
Gylfi Sigurdsson
Oumar Niasse (S)
Davy Klaassen
Muhamed Besic
Maarten Stekelenburg
Seamus Coleman
Ramiro Funes Mori (S)
Nikola Vlaöić (L)
Kieran Dowell (L)
Dominic Calvert-Lewin (L)
Mason Holgate (L)
Ademola Lookman
Brendan Galloway (L)
Joel Robles
Luke Garbutt (L)
Matthew Pennington (L)
Conor Grant (L)
Mateusz Hewelt (L)
Jonjoe Kenny (L)
Beni Baningime (L)
Shani Tarashaj (L)
Tyias Browning (L)
Henry Onyekuru (L)
Title: Re: Keep / Sell / Loan - What would you do?
Post by: Glory on June 01, 2018, 03:46:44 PM
Think we'll struggle with only 13 players available all season peronally.
Title: Re: Keep / Sell / Loan - What would you do?
Post by: gslick on June 01, 2018, 03:51:59 PM
Would buy new players :)
Title: Re: Keep / Sell / Loan - What would you do?
Post by: themilkycoffees on June 01, 2018, 03:53:34 PM
Jordan Pickford
Morgan Schneiderlin (S)
Leighton Baines
Michael Keane (S)
Ashley Williams (S)
Phil Jagielka (S)
Yannick Bolasie (S)
Sandro Ramirez (S)
Wayne Rooney  (S)
Kevin Mirallas (S)
Theo Walcott
Cenk Tosun
Cuco Martina (S)
James McCarthy (S)
Idrissa Gueye
Gylfi Sigurdsson
Oumar Niasse
Davy Klaassen
Muhamed Besic
Maarten Stekelenburg
Seamus Coleman
Ramiro Funes Mori
Nikola Vlaöić
Kieran Dowell (L)
Dominic Calvert-Lewin (L)
Mason Holgate
Ademola Lookman
Brendan Galloway (S)
Joel Robles
Luke Garbutt (S)
Matthew Pennington (S)
Conor Grant (L)
Mateusz Hewelt (L)
Jonjoe Kenny
Beni Baningime
Shani Tarashaj (S)
Tyias Browning (S)
Henry Onyekuru (L)
Title: Re: Keep / Sell / Loan - What would you do?
Post by: brap2 on June 01, 2018, 04:01:23 PM
Pickford
Other

Coleman Keane Other Baines
Other     Jags    Holgate Other

Gana Other* Other
Beni  Other   Davies

Walcott  Tosun Gylfi^
Other     Other Lookman
             DCL    Bolasie

* Carvalho? Torreira? Keep Schneiderlin? The other CM is most important, potentially this Ozyakup.

^or in the 10 preferably. Still wouldnít mind him as an advanced CM. Would launch Bolasie if a big bid comes in but would be interested to see what silva can get out of him, probably using him as a push and run merchant on the break, which would be great imo.

So minimum 3 first team players plus at least two or three who can be relied on for ~10-20 apps in LB and maybe up top.

Not cheap, but anyone who isnít either a) still OK and completely worthless in revenue like Jags, Baines or b) young enough with a potential upside like Lookman, Davies, Holgate can go at the right price.
Title: Re: Keep / Sell / Loan - What would you do?
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on June 01, 2018, 04:11:50 PM
you missed Tom Davies off the list mate,


Jordan Pickford
Morgan Schneiderlin (S)
Leighton Baines
Michael Keane
Ashley Williams (S)
Phil Jagielka
Yannick Bolasie (S)
Sandro Ramirez (S)
Wayne Rooney  (S)
Kevin Mirallas (S)
Theo Walcott
Cenk Tosun
Cuco Martina (S)
James McCarthy
Idrissa Gueye
Gylfi Sigurdsson
Oumar Niasse
Davy Klaassen
Muhamed Besic (S)
Maarten Stekelenburg (S)
Seamus Coleman
Ramiro Funes Mori
Nikola Vlaöić
Kieran Dowell (L)
Dominic Calvert-Lewin
Mason Holgate
Ademola Lookman
Brendan Galloway (S)
Joel Robles
Luke Garbutt (S)
Matthew Pennington (S)
Conor Grant (L)
Mateusz Hewelt (L)
Jonjoe Kenny
Beni Baningime
Shani Tarashaj (S)
Tyias Browning (S)
Henry Onyekuru (L)
Antonee Robinson (L)
Tom Davies

that would leave us with
KEEPERS
Pickford , Joel
DEFENDERS
Coleman Baines Kenny Jagielka Keane Mori Holgate
MIDFIELD
Baningime Sigurdsson McCarthy(Injured) Gueye Klaassen Davies
Vlaöić Lookman
FORWARDS
Calvert-Lewin Tosun Walcott Niasse
SELLING 12 players will not happen but these are the players who have a lot less to offer, and should not feature ,  selling the main 4 Rooney Williams Morgs Bolassie( would sell but cant see happening)
BUY:?? 
Title: Re: Keep / Sell / Loan - What would you do?
Post by: TheRam on June 01, 2018, 04:15:25 PM
Lads, some of you are getting rid of half the squad here.

Title: Re: Keep / Sell / Loan - What would you do?
Post by: blue1948 on June 01, 2018, 04:21:51 PM
This is Everton's first team, I would do the following for us to get into the top 6

S = Sell
L = Loan
The rest I would keep and buy new players

Jordan Pickford
Morgan Schneiderlin (S)
Leighton Baines
Michael Keane
Ashley Williams (S)
Phil Jagielka
Yannick Bolasie
Tom Davies
Sandro Ramirez (S)
Wayne Rooney  (S)
Kevin Mirallas (S)
Theo Walcott
Cenk Tosun
Cuco Martina
James McCarthy (S)
Idrissa Gueye
Gylfi Sigurdsson
Oumar Niasse (S)
Davy Klaassen
Muhamed Besic
Maarten Stekelenburg
Seamus Coleman
Ramiro Funes Mori (S)
Nikola Vlaöić (L)
Kieran Dowell (L)
Dominic Calvert-Lewin (L)
Mason Holgate (L)
Ademola Lookman
Brendan Galloway (L)
Joel Robles
Luke Garbutt (L)
Matthew Pennington (L)
Conor Grant (L)
Mateusz Hewelt (L)
Jonjoe Kenny (L)
Beni Baningime (L)
Shani Tarashaj (L)
Tyias Browning (L)
Henry Onyekuru (L)
I love how you have interpreted the plans for M & M they love to bring youth through and you have binned off most of them .I feel you might not get your wishes .Which by the way will suit me .We have a lot of good lads that have been waiting for the step after Unsie to blossom.
Title: Re: Keep / Sell / Loan - What would you do?
Post by: Macca77 on June 01, 2018, 04:24:21 PM
Its all well and good saying sell some players, doesn't mean anyone will buy them
Title: Re: Keep / Sell / Loan - What would you do?
Post by: ZVictorOne on June 01, 2018, 04:25:35 PM
Joel is leaving isn't he, out of contract?
Title: Re: Keep / Sell / Loan - What would you do?
Post by: Lxxx on June 01, 2018, 04:26:32 PM
It's only when you see it written down in it's entirety you realise how horrendously bloated and average our squad is.
Title: Re: Keep / Sell / Loan - What would you do?
Post by: Macca77 on June 01, 2018, 04:29:45 PM
This is Everton's first team, I would do the following for us to get into the top 6

S = Sell
L = Loan
The rest I would keep and buy new players

Jordan Pickford
Morgan Schneiderlin (S)
Leighton Baines
Michael Keane
Ashley Williams (S)
Phil Jagielka
Yannick Bolasie
Tom Davies
Sandro Ramirez (S)
Wayne Rooney  (S)
Kevin Mirallas (S)
Theo Walcott
Cenk Tosun
Cuco Martina
James McCarthy (S)
Idrissa Gueye
Gylfi Sigurdsson
Oumar Niasse (S)
Davy Klaassen
Muhamed Besic
Maarten Stekelenburg
Seamus Coleman
Ramiro Funes Mori (S)
Nikola Vlaöić (L)
Kieran Dowell (L)
Dominic Calvert-Lewin (L)
Mason Holgate (L)
Ademola Lookman
Brendan Galloway (L)
Joel Robles
Luke Garbutt (L)
Matthew Pennington (L)
Conor Grant (L)
Mateusz Hewelt (L)
Jonjoe Kenny (L)
Beni Baningime (L)
Shani Tarashaj (L)
Tyias Browning (L)
Henry Onyekuru (L)

Bizarre this, loan out young talent like Vlasic, Holgate and Kenny and yet you wanna keep shite like Martina, Besic, Robles and even Steklenburg
Title: Re: Keep / Sell / Loan - What would you do?
Post by: Cereal Killer on June 01, 2018, 04:58:11 PM
Bizarre this, loan out young talent like Vlasic, Holgate and Kenny and yet you wanna keep shite like Martina, Besic, Robles and even Steklenburg

Must have been reading Big Sams autobiography....
Title: Re: Keep / Sell / Loan - What would you do?
Post by: Rodenplav64 on June 01, 2018, 05:06:08 PM
Get rid of those we know are now consistently average and give a bit of experience to some of our youngsters who will be helped by playing with a bit more pace . Vlasic , DCL , Beni , Dowell and Lookman definitely worth risking in the League Cup and a few of the easier games to have a look as you can loan them out later . Loaning out millions worth of talent while trying to improve doesn't make sense to me . Especially as we might not spend like last season given what a fucking disaster it was . Some silly assumptions being made that we will sign about 15 players .
Title: Re: Keep / Sell / Loan - What would you do?
Post by: Hawkandro on June 01, 2018, 05:18:36 PM
This summer I would definitely be looking - under the guise of trimming the wage - to off-load:

Rooney
Martina
Williams
McCarthy
Besic
Mirallas
Bolasie

RFM maybe, but I think getting rid of both Williams and RFM could be tricky, especially as Jags is now a year older and potentially more injury prone. I'd like to keep Klaassen and Sandro and see how they work under Silva, but there are 2 others to get off the wage bill if neither are fancied.

The kids should have a chance under Brands and Silva now.
Title: Re: Keep / Sell / Loan - What would you do?
Post by: sam of the south on June 01, 2018, 05:24:05 PM
I would imagine an intense and detailed manager like Silva can get a pretty good tune out of a fair few of these players that some of you are willing to loan out.
Title: Re: Keep / Sell / Loan - What would you do?
Post by: Bob Sacamano on June 01, 2018, 05:34:52 PM
Iíve noticed Garbutt is taking a nice lavish holiday after a long hard season of intense football. Well deserved lad, enjoy.
Title: Re: Keep / Sell / Loan - What would you do?
Post by: Waltzer on June 01, 2018, 05:36:27 PM
When you list them out like that it becomes even more apparent how much work is needed. From my perspective I could only see Pickford and Coleman as players that would get in most of the teams above us, or that they would like to have. Gueye, Sig, Walcott are maybes but we are pretty short of quality in the team and overloaded with average players
Title: Re: Keep / Sell / Loan - What would you do?
Post by: Lxxx on June 01, 2018, 05:37:13 PM
Iíve noticed Garbutt is taking a nice lavish holiday after a long hard season of intense football. Well deserved lad, enjoy.

If someone wanted to give me £20k a week on a 5 year contract I'd be accumulating lovely young ladies with which to enjoy it with too.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Cereal Killer on June 01, 2018, 05:48:26 PM
Goalkeepers
Robles is going, we've got more pressing issues than a backup keeper, so unless a decent youngster is available at a low price, we'll be sticking with Pickford and Stek as sub

Defenders
Sell Williams, Martina and Garbutt
Buy a new CB and LB
Assuming we get another CB I can see RFM being sold, we'd still have Jags, Holgate, Keane, new guy, plus Pennington out on loan somewhere with recall clause if we get injuries
RB of Coleman and Kenny is fine

Midfielders
Sell Rooney, Besic and Mirallas
McCarthy is injured and we won't be able to shift him
Buy new CM
Not sure if we'll go for a creative/winger at this stage, if we did you'd imagine Bolasie would be sold

Strikers
A new pacy striker would be nice, send DCL out on loan as he'd be down at 4th choice


So sell Williams, Martina, Garbutt, Besic, Mirallas, Rooney

Get in a new CB, LB, CM, CF
Title: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Dr. Sponge on June 01, 2018, 08:17:52 PM
Defence
Well starting from the back, there's question marks over 3 CBs. Jags (old), Williams (old and has been awful) and Mori (bad injury and prone to a howler anyway).

Can't see us getting shot of all of them. I love Jags so I hope he has another season left in him, but who knows. I'd get rid of Williams as Mori is a bit younger and more athletic. High hopes for Holgate. Keane.. meh, give him a fresh start.


Coleman and Kenny at RB. That'll do.


Keep Baines as back up and to be around the squad, but it's essential that we buy a new first team LB.

Midfield
Our midfield is as messy as the CB area. Who do we keep faith with? Schneiderlin was considered one of the best in the squad before last season. Hopefully Silva can get a better tune out of him this season, but I think a player that can dictate play should be No.1 on our shopping list.

Rooney looks gone. Gueye has amazing qualities but hindered our play a lot last season. Davies is young and I know a lot of Evertonian don't rate him but I do. He's dynamic, good touch, reads the game well and is box to box. Sigurdson will be the main man and I think we should build the team around him next season, instead of shoving him on the left. Kalassen - who knows.

Forwards
Our wingers are hit and miss. Walcott is our best, with Lookman hopefully back in blue and raring to go. Vlasic looks tidy on the ball but yet to show his full potential. And Bolasie... I still remember my disappointment after we signed him.

Tosun knows where the goal is, I'm happy with that. I don't like Niasse in the team, he runs down a lot of blind alleys. Scores a few goals but never seems on the same wavelength as the rest of the team. Would like a pacey last man striker, which i imagine Sandro was meant to be.

So we're looking at something like....

óóóóóPickford

Coleman Keane NewCB NewLB

óóó NewCM Davies
óóóóSigurdson

ó-Walcott Tosun Lookman
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 01, 2018, 08:20:39 PM
I love how you have interpreted the plans for M & M they love to bring youth through and you have binned off most of them .I feel you might not get your wishes .Which by the way will suit me .We have a lot of good lads that have been waiting for the step after Unsie to blossom.

Canít polish a turd. I think most of our young players will struggle on account of not being good enough
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Lxxx on June 01, 2018, 08:26:53 PM
Can’t polish a turd. I think most of our young players will struggle on account of not being good enough

I don't think we can make a definitive judgement on any of our young players until we've seen how they do this season. We've had an 18 month shitstorm which hasn't really been great for their development so I'd like to see how they do with a bit of stability under a manager who says he wants to play the right way.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: blargins on June 01, 2018, 11:51:31 PM
I'm very hopeful that Silva will be able to make something of Klaassen.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 02, 2018, 01:33:21 AM
I don't think we can make a definitive judgement on any of our young players until we've seen how they do this season. We've had an 18 month shitstorm which hasn't really been great for their development so I'd like to see how they do with a bit of stability under a manager who says he wants to play the right way.

I agree with that. I just don't think it's as simple as giving them games as some imply. I think only lookman might turn out to have the quality to be a top player. I'd be okay with the rest going on loan and seeing where we stood in 12 months. Though that's probably not realistic in terms of squad numbers
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: SANA_DR0 on June 03, 2018, 06:30:51 PM
I really dont want any of our young 'stars' to go out on loan, DCL/Dowell/Kenny/Davies/Holgate/Beni will get a better understanding of the game with a proper head of football and a real manager... i'd hate for shit to happen like it has with Galloway and Garbutt.. they fucked up once they went on loan.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: dunkster on June 03, 2018, 06:46:18 PM
Can't see dcl, lookman, Davies, beni, kenny, holgate, vlasic all getting the game time they need to make massive strides tbh.
Certainly wouldn't want to see them all in team at once.
Most of them I feel are too average to make any inroads into the top 6.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Shogun on June 03, 2018, 06:48:27 PM
Can't see dcl, lookman, Davies, beni, kenny, holgate, vlasic all getting the game time they need to make massive strides tbh.
Certainly wouldn't want to see them all in team at once.
Most of them I feel are too average to make any inroads into the top 6.

Not many youngsters get near the top 6 anyway
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Juanito on June 04, 2018, 01:18:15 AM
Wisful thinking;

Out

Williams
Mirallas
Besic
Martina
Rooney
Mori
Bolasie


Out on loan
Klaassen
Kenny
DCL
Dowell

In

Maddison
Nathan Ake
Phillip Max
Torreira
Lozano
Kluivert





Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: blargins on June 04, 2018, 01:24:05 AM
I liked the look of Loftus Cheek when I saw him playing for England yesterday. Don't think he had an outstanding game, but could see how he could be effective.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Trowel on June 04, 2018, 04:15:09 AM
Klaassen linked with a loan move to Besiktas.

Do the Turks ever pay for anything? I'm still bitter from the Yobo farce.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 04, 2018, 04:24:56 AM
I liked the look of Loftus Cheek when I saw him playing for England yesterday. Don't think he had an outstanding game, but could see how he could be effective.

Thought he was brilliant in the first game against us last season
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: blargins on June 04, 2018, 04:31:13 AM
Thought he was brilliant in the first game against us last season

You've got a great memory. I'm trying to think who he played for against us lol
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 04, 2018, 04:32:57 AM
You've got a great memory. I'm trying to think who he played for against us lol

Was on loan at palace last season. Thought he ran the first game against us. The game where Niasse got his diving ban
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: blargins on June 04, 2018, 04:35:29 AM
Was on loan at palace last season. Thought he ran the first game against us. The game where Niasse got his diving ban

That's right. For some reason I was thinking Watford. Only saw bits of that game. To be honest, most games from last season have been a blur.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: TheRam on June 04, 2018, 05:50:00 AM
I liked the look of Loftus Cheek when I saw him playing for England yesterday. Don't think he had an outstanding game, but could see how he could be effective.

Big fan.

Iím a sucker for a tall attacking midfielder though.

Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Juanito on June 04, 2018, 11:36:40 AM
Big fan.

Iím a sucker for a tall attacking midfielder though.



You must have loved Ballack in his prime then.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: brap2 on June 04, 2018, 02:10:17 PM
You must have loved Ballack in his prime then.

Still watches vids of prime yaya walking through teams for fun
Title: 12 players to go
Post by: Macca77 on June 06, 2018, 02:50:23 PM
Schneiderlin the shithouse wants to leave

Bye then
Title: Re: 12 players to go
Post by: Ramjam on June 06, 2018, 03:08:00 PM
Schneiderlin the shithouse wants to leave

Bye then
Of course he does, thatís because the going is about to get a bit tougher and he doesnít have the stomach for a fight to retain a starting berth on a Saturday, let the fucker go heís been stealing his wages for almost two years now.
Title: 12 players to go
Post by: phillyt on June 06, 2018, 03:15:35 PM
So reports are that brands/silva want to shift around 12 players. Fairly obvious who they are going to be.

Rooney-looks like a done deal but if he stayed and accepted a bit part role  he could be useful. Big wages tho
Robles- ✅
Stek-✅
Martina✅
Williams✅
Mori-wouldnít be offended if he stayed. Again as back up though.
Schneiderlin ✅
McCarthy-been injured and at times had looked ok, at other times shite we have better in the squad do deffo get rid.
Bolasie- recovering from serious injury. Been shocking this season but then so have everyone. Be happier to see him kept on till jan to asses if he will improve.
Niasse- be sorry to see him go but we need better.
Mirralas ✅
Garbutt✅
Sandro- personally like to see him come back and get a run in and he u23. See if he can come on.
Klaasen- see Sandro
Besic-not worked out thru injury. Maybe found his level at boro. Another one who I will be sad to see go but the time is right i think.

I know thatís 14 but I guess we wonít be seeing them all go. You also have the likes of jags/Baines who are getting on and need moving on soon.
Is there anyone else? Someone on the list who shouldnít be there?
Title: Re: 12 players to go
Post by: Hesmenos on June 06, 2018, 03:32:37 PM
I've said before that a major part of Brand's job will be in getting rid of players. It looks like this was explained to both him and Silva before they came as they both talked about looking at what players we already have before we think about going out to buy someone.
It won't be easy to do as not many teams will be clamouring for players who've had a poor season and will be on ridiculous wages. I believe we ended up with a bloated squad because Walsh thought it would be easy to get rid of the old after we brought in the new, only to realise he didn't have a clue how to do it. This is why we have now brought  in a technical director instead of a scout to do the job.
Title: Re: 12 players to go
Post by: SANA_DR0 on June 08, 2018, 04:56:27 AM
Schneiderlin the shithouse wants to leave

Bye then

Schneiderlin and Bolasie have been told that they're not needed :D
Newcastle supposed to be in for Yannick.
happy days!
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Dr. Sponge on June 08, 2018, 11:37:35 AM
Schneiderlin and Bolasie have been told that they're not needed :D
Newcastle supposed to be in for Yannick.
happy days!

Where did ya hear this?

🤞🏻
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Bob Sacamano on June 08, 2018, 12:57:44 PM
I really wish people would stop reminding me that McCarthy is still on the payroll.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Hannibal Lecter on June 08, 2018, 01:08:24 PM
I really wish people would stop reminding me that McCarthy is still on the payroll.
Mr Brands is working on that matter for you.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Gash on June 08, 2018, 01:46:47 PM
Mr Brands is working on that matter for you.

We're not getting rid of him anytime soon, he'll still be about 6-8 months from getting back to fitness.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Shogun on June 12, 2018, 06:40:43 AM
Quite clear there's going to be a lot of exits this summer, this is our squad as things stand...

Pickford
Stekelenburg

Baines
Robinson

Keane
Jagielka
Williams
Holgate
Funes Mori
Pennington

Coleman
Martina
Kenny

Bolasie
Lookman

Schneiderlin
Gana
Rooney
McCarthy
Davies
Beningime
Dowell
Klaassen
Sigurdsson
Besic

Vlasic
Mirallas
Walcott

Tosun
Calvert-Lewin
Niasse
Sandro

Sell the reds and that leaves us a squad of 21 players and room for additions. Seems mad to bin 11 players but the way Brands has been talking, it could happen.

Benny, Robinson and Kenny all to go out on loan would give us 18 players.

So we'd need:

1x GK (Don't mind Stek but he's not that arsed about football and is probably on a fair wedge)
1x LB (Tierney?)
1x RB (Some random South American)
1x CB (Daley Blind)
2x CM (Chalobah? Carvalho?)
1x Winger (Lozano)

A Squad of 25.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: tisonlyjk on June 12, 2018, 08:21:50 AM
Quite clear there's going to be a lot of exits this summer, this is our squad as things stand...

Pickford
Stekelenburg

Baines
Robinson

Keane
Jagielka
Williams
Holgate
Funes Mori
Pennington

Coleman
Martina
Kenny

Bolasie
Lookman

Schneiderlin
Gana
Rooney
McCarthy
Davies
Beningime
Dowell
Klaassen
Sigurdsson
Besic

Vlasic
Mirallas
Walcott

Tosun
Calvert-Lewin
Niasse
Sandro

Sell the reds and that leaves us a squad of 21 players and room for additions. Seems mad to bin 11 players but the way Brands has been talking, it could happen.

Benny, Robinson and Kenny all to go out on loan would give us 18 players.

So we'd need:

1x GK (Don't mind Stek but he's not that arsed about football and is probably on a fair wedge)
1x LB (Tierney?)
1x RB (Some random South American)
1x CB (Daley Blind)
2x CM (Chalobah? Carvalho?)
1x Winger (Lozano)

A Squad of 25.

Canít see Kenny going on loan, decent backup for Seamus.

Donít see Stek going either, canít see why a better keeper would want to sit on the bench.

Ainít getting rid of McCarthy with his injury. (Heíll also suit Silvaís pressing style)

Iíd be keeping Klaassen personally, think heíll have something to offer a more forward thinking side.

And Iíd only be loaning Robinson/Beni to either promoted sides or top championship sides with guarantees of gameplay.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Goaljira on June 12, 2018, 12:27:37 PM
Quite clear there's going to be a lot of exits this summer, this is our squad as things stand...

Pickford
Stekelenburg

Baines
Robinson

Keane
Jagielka
Williams
Holgate
Funes Mori
Pennington

Coleman
Martina
Kenny

Bolasie
Lookman

Schneiderlin
Gana
Rooney
McCarthy
Davies
Beningime
Dowell
Klaassen
Sigurdsson
Besic

Vlasic
Mirallas
Walcott

Tosun
Calvert-Lewin
Niasse
Sandro

Sell the reds and that leaves us a squad of 21 players and room for additions. Seems mad to bin 11 players but the way Brands has been talking, it could happen.

Benny, Robinson and Kenny all to go out on loan would give us 18 players.

So we'd need:

1x GK (Don't mind Stek but he's not that arsed about football and is probably on a fair wedge)
1x LB (Tierney?)
1x RB (Some random South American)
1x CB (Daley Blind)
2x CM (Chalobah? Carvalho?)
1x Winger (Lozano)

A Squad of 25.

You've got Connolly, Galloway and Browning on top of that list too.  And Tarashaj.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Tofifee on June 13, 2018, 01:29:51 AM
If we don't buy a new CB, whats our back 4
Do we persist with Jags
Do we trust that Keane and Holgate could work despite their age and give them a go
Does Funes come into it?
Anyone even mentions that other shithouse can do one!

Personally, my back 4 from current squad would be  Coleman Jags Keane Baines
Keane has to improve, HAS to improve but you have to think he can and will and we will all laugh about the time we thought he was sh*te
Mason still too young to be Keanes partner and Keane starts over him every time for me
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: tisonlyjk on June 13, 2018, 02:35:41 AM
Iíve a feeling that a lot of our Ďoutsí will be loans with us paying a portion of the wages. Canít see anyone taking Schneiderlin or Williams at the wages theyíre on.

Hopefully Iím proved wrong!
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Cereal Killer on June 13, 2018, 02:41:48 AM
Iíve a feeling that a lot of our Ďoutsí will be loans with us paying a portion of the wages. Canít see anyone taking Schneiderlin or Williams at the wages theyíre on.

Hopefully Iím proved wrong!

That would be fairly pointless? We'd free up a bit of the wage bill temporarily, only to be in a worse situation next summer. Can't see us loaning out any of the senior squad members, it's keep or sell
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: dunkster on June 13, 2018, 02:59:41 AM
Schneiderlin and Bolasie have been told that they're not needed :D
Newcastle supposed to be in for Yannick.
happy days!

Presumably you know of all others who have been told?
Would be dissapointed for klaasen not to get a bit of game time.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: tisonlyjk on June 13, 2018, 03:05:23 AM
That would be fairly pointless? We'd free up a bit of the wage bill temporarily, only to be in a worse situation next summer. Can't see us loaning out any of the senior squad members, it's keep or sell

As I said I hope Iím wrong but I canít see there being a queue for some of our castoffs
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: blue slug on June 13, 2018, 03:10:12 AM
As I said I hope Iím wrong but I canít see there being a queue for some of our castoffs

Whereís Sunderland when you need them
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: GLewis on June 13, 2018, 03:16:28 AM
That would be fairly pointless? We'd free up a bit of the wage bill temporarily, only to be in a worse situation next summer. Can't see us loaning out any of the senior squad members, it's keep or sell

Might sell them with a pay off, or if we did loan them weíd save some money this year and collect a potentially decent loan fee.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Juanito on June 13, 2018, 03:18:21 AM
You've got Connolly, Galloway and Browning on top of that list too.  And Tarashaj.

Would let Connolly go on loan again and sell the other two. Connolly did very well at Ipswich.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Toffee1 on June 13, 2018, 03:38:46 PM
https://twitter.com/EvertonBlueArmy/status/1006637624520560640


https://twitter.com/EvertonBlueArmy/status/1006632626810163200
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: brap2 on June 13, 2018, 04:09:12 PM
Two Ďoutsí for me there
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Macca77 on June 13, 2018, 04:24:21 PM
Mirallas - arrogant bellend, no loss to us whatsoever, shame, I like him
Galloway - Nowhere near good enough, Championship is his level, again no loss
Title: Players leaving
Post by: Jimmywhack on June 14, 2018, 04:46:21 AM
Oh and schneiderlin staying

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2018/06/13/everton-manager-marco-silva-keen-givemorgan-schneiderlin-fresh/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
Title: Re: Players leaving
Post by: dunkster on June 14, 2018, 04:49:47 AM
Thought someone on here stated that he's been told he can go?
Could just be paper talk I guess.
Title: Re: Players leaving
Post by: indiantoffee1975 on June 14, 2018, 04:50:49 AM
Can't get rid of under performers in one window, will take time.
Title: Re: Players leaving
Post by: Brownie20 on June 14, 2018, 04:55:43 AM
Talk that Klaassen will be used in a deal for Oguzhan Ozyakup

Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Macca77 on June 14, 2018, 05:00:52 AM
Oh and schneiderlin staying

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2018/06/13/everton-manager-marco-silva-keen-givemorgan-schneiderlin-fresh/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

I'm ok with this
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Bluedylan on June 14, 2018, 05:02:08 AM
Thought someone on here stated that he's been told he can go?
Could just be paper talk I guess.

Bascombe's quite reliable, so it's probably true.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Bob Sacamano on June 14, 2018, 05:02:29 AM
Talk that Klaassen will be used in a deal for Oguzhan Ozyakup



Got a link?
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Brownie20 on June 14, 2018, 05:03:36 AM
Got a link?

It's on my fb page and I can't get the link to copy. I'll see if I can find one after
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Bob Sacamano on June 14, 2018, 05:34:16 AM
Bascombe's quite reliable, so it's probably true.

True staying or true leaving?
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Bluedylan on June 14, 2018, 05:40:22 AM
True staying or true leaving?

True staying, judging on the article. He was a French international not long ago. Silva and Brands probably reckon they can get him back to his Saints form, with the right setup and guidance. I know that seems a world away now, but we'll have to wait and see.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Brownie20 on June 14, 2018, 05:40:49 AM
Got a link?

Gash has posted it in the thread about him
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: dunkster on June 14, 2018, 05:41:55 AM
Well silva did mention him by name when explaining his tactics the other day
Title: Re: Players leaving
Post by: tisonlyjk on June 14, 2018, 06:00:49 AM
Oh and schneiderlin staying

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2018/06/13/everton-manager-marco-silva-keen-givemorgan-schneiderlin-fresh/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Really disappointed with this. Watch him down tools again in six months.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Brownie20 on June 14, 2018, 06:06:56 AM
Really disappointed with this. Watch him down tools again in six months.

Why will he do that?
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: tisonlyjk on June 14, 2018, 06:10:01 AM
Why will he do that?

He seems like the type to down tools if things arenít going his way.

I hoped he was one of the first names on Marcelís list for the cull.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Shogun on June 14, 2018, 06:12:28 AM
Some of his performances were unforgivable for me last season.

Lyon away was a joke.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: blargins on June 14, 2018, 07:05:30 AM
Very much a binary player. He's either very good or very poor. No in between.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: brap2 on June 14, 2018, 02:10:11 PM
Oh and schneiderlin staying

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2018/06/13/everton-manager-marco-silva-keen-givemorgan-schneiderlin-fresh/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Very conflicted on this.

On one hand, I agree with @Shogun (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=1108) that some of his performances have been genuinely unforgivable, and that’s without getting to the bottom of the ‘if you’re not up for a scrap go home’ stuff that came about under unsie.

HOWEVER - I do believe that in the right midfield, he has almost all the qualities to be a CL level screening DM. If you put him side by side across his career versus say Carvalho (who I like) you’d probably on a blind test pick Morgan.

It just means the end for Gueye imo, because Morgan will need two ball-hungry energy / passing machines next to him.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Lxxx on June 14, 2018, 03:55:08 PM
Very conflicted on this.

On one hand, I agree with @Shogun (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=1108) that some of his performances have been genuinely unforgivable, and thatís without getting to the bottom of the Ďif youíre not up for a scrap go homeí stuff that came about under unsie.

HOWEVER - I do believe that in the right midfield, he has almost all the qualities to be a CL level screening DM. If you put him side by side across his career versus say Carvalho (who I like) youíd probably on a blind test pick Morgan.

It just means the end for Gueye imo, because Morgan will need two ball-hungry energy / passing machines next to him.

Good points. Although I feel you need someone in there with a bit of physical presence who can actually put a tackle in and disrupt play. Even on a good day his attempts at being physical are a bit powder puff. Not quite as bad as Klaassan, but not far off.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: themilkycoffees on June 14, 2018, 04:35:19 PM
Why will he do that?

People far too quick to forgive him IMO. A couple of average performances at the end of the season shouldn't make up for his complete lack of effort before that.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Brownie20 on June 14, 2018, 04:47:58 PM
People far too quick to forgive him IMO. A couple of average performances at the end of the season shouldn't make up for his complete lack of effort before that.

Maybe, but fresh start in my eyes.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: themilkycoffees on June 14, 2018, 04:52:24 PM
Maybe, but fresh start in my eyes.


That's your view, fair enough. If he does stay, I hope he performs well and we get to see the best of him. Every player can have bad games and bad spells but I just think a lack of effort is unforgivable.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Tofifee on June 14, 2018, 04:53:11 PM
Re Mo, its not so much that we forgive him, but we acknowledge that he still COULD be a player for us and we are willing to let another manager have a go at it
He defo COULD still work out so I am willing to give him a chance
Easy forget how good he was when he arrived too
Doesnt mean we have to lose Gana tho..............One of our better players too

I would also be willing to let Sandro have another go

new brush and all that
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Ross on June 14, 2018, 04:57:56 PM
Schneiderlin had about half a dozen good games for us over 18 months and itís not as if weíve played that badly in all that time. Heís definitely one we should be looking to move on if we can find a buyer for a player with a questionable attitude and a heart of a pea, the talent he does have is far outweighed by his character flaws.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: dunkster on June 14, 2018, 05:04:43 PM
It wouldn't have missed silvas attention how poorly MS played last season. He obviously believes with a new formation and tactics and his own man-management skills, that he can bring out the best.
There's definately a player in there,  it's just motivating him to putting in 100% every game.
(That's been the problem for all the managers so far.)
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: formerKHL on June 14, 2018, 05:07:15 PM
I personally think schneiderlin was the product of our poor season overall throughout the whole club...

as fans we wanted to vent our frustration at someone and for me it fell at his feet.....yes he had a few bad games....but who didn't...with that in mind.....

his good games become average..his average games become poor....( in the fans opinion) every little mistake is highlighted as a "lack of effort".....his "lack of passion" is constantly raised...yet he gets booked every game with a couple of sending off's thrown in...?

as a comparison look at davies..i thought he had a very poor season overall.....yet he's forgiven because of his age and he's a local lad..apart from his energy.... for me he didn't develop any further at all....and probably contributed as much as schneiderlin did...

energy with a bad game v "lack of effort" with a bad game.......whats the difference ? because the end result is the same..

just my opinion...
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Lxxx on June 14, 2018, 05:08:30 PM
Schneiderlin had about half a dozen good games for us over 18 months and it’s not as if we’ve played that badly in all that time. He’s definitely one we should be looking to move on if we can find a buyer for a player with a questionable attitude and a heart of a pea, the talent he does have is far outweighed by his character flaws.

Pretty much sums it up perfectly.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: dunkster on June 14, 2018, 05:09:13 PM
The alleged incident with mirallas when they played up in training and got sent home is definately a black mark.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: themilkycoffees on June 14, 2018, 05:26:49 PM
I personally think schneiderlin was the product of our poor season overall throughout the whole club...

as fans we wanted to vent our frustration at someone and for me it fell at his feet.....yes he had a few bad games....but who didn't...with that in mind.....

his good games become average..his average games become poor....( in the fans opinion) every little mistake is highlighted as a "lack of effort".....his "lack of passion" is constantly raised...yet he gets booked every game with a couple of sending off's thrown in...?

as a comparison look at davies..i thought he had a very poor season overall.....yet he's forgiven because of his age and he's a local lad..apart from his energy.... for me he didn't develop any further at all....and probably contributed as much as schneiderlin did...

energy with a bad game v "lack of effort" with a bad game.......whats the difference ? because the end result is the same..

just my opinion...

The sending off in Lyon was a disgrace and because he couldn't be arsed anymore. Massive coward.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Ravardo on June 14, 2018, 05:27:45 PM
Shame there isnt a youtube montage of schniederlin either being at fault for goals against us or where he was able to something to stop the goals,, i pad him quite a lot of attention last season  and he didnt even do the most simplest of things like tracking  a one two...if he made as much effort as gana running and tackling he would of probably been one of our best players
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: gizzblue on June 14, 2018, 05:44:17 PM
Really hope im completely wrong tbh.....but his lack of giving any sort of shit over a good half a dozen goals last season screams a shithouse who has give up completely ...

He gets carded and sent off because his tackling is so poor .

As for him over Gana(out best spoiler and tackles easily) ..ffs it shouldn't even be mentioned as a posibility.

Think Brands is wrong in this,  someone should show him strolling back to his own area countless times last year .

My only saving thought is Brands is being clever ....no no we don't wanna sell him ...bumping his price up. (Wishful thinking? ).
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Waltzer on June 14, 2018, 05:50:26 PM
Shame there isnt a youtube montage of schniederlin either being at fault for goals against us or where he was able to something to stop the goals,, i pad him quite a lot of attention last season  and he didnt even do the most simplest of things like tracking  a one two...if he made as much effort as gana running and tackling he would of probably been one of our best players

Or, alternatively if Gana didnt spend all game chasing the ball over the pitch like a 6 year old and leaving the midfield massively exposed he would have been one of our better players, instead of being massively exposed all the time?
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: brap2 on June 14, 2018, 06:00:31 PM
Good points. Although I feel you need someone in there with a bit of physical presence who can actually put a tackle in and disrupt play. Even on a good day his attempts at being physical are a bit powder puff. Not quite as bad as Klaassan, but not far off.

Had a monstrous defensive output at saints.

At his best for us defensive numbers were something closer to Matic at Chelsea than klaassen.

No worries at all about his tackles / interceptions, but his head is powder puff for me. Heís a jogger. When he gets beat heís beat for good.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: brap2 on June 14, 2018, 06:01:56 PM
Problem is, I love Gana but he cannot play that holding role on his own.

The only role he can play is pressing like a mad man in a 3, and we might not be able to accommodate that.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: TheRam on June 14, 2018, 06:07:20 PM
Problem is, I love Gana but he cannot play that holding role on his own.

The only role he can play is pressing like a mad man in a 3, and we might not be able to accommodate that.

Be sound if we put a creative player next to him infront of morgan.

I'm more worried about how Sig fits in this 4-3-3.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on June 14, 2018, 06:09:21 PM
People are thinking usual "Everton" style. I can see both Gana and Schneiderlin starting together in front of a traditional back 4, as Silva prefers a 4-2-3-1 version of a 4-3-3. Our Full backs would be more attack minded and our def mids will be closer to the defence, laying it off to a creative mid (no10) or killer ball wide, or over the top, when we quickly spread wide in a 4-1-4-1 on the counter. We have to stop thinking Fat Sam or Koeman, and think "modern". Something like this, with a couple of additions, with the vital one being a proper 10...

Pickford


Keane ............ Jags

Coleman ............................. ................. Baines

Gana ........ Schneiderlin

Sig (Maddison)*
Walcott ........................... Lookman (Lozano)*

Tosun

I'd like to see another young playmaker, ideally a 25 year old Paul Scholes (Maddison?) type player, and proper out and out left winger, that can play right or through the middle.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: brap2 on June 14, 2018, 06:09:27 PM
Be sound if we put a creative player next to him infront of morgan.

I'm more worried about how Sig fits in this 4-3-3.

Yeah I am myself. Gana / Davies / Gylfi - someone, maybe all three, is in for a tough year.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: TheRam on June 14, 2018, 06:10:35 PM
Thing is, we cant get rid of everyone who underperformed.

There's going to be some players who Silva wants to work with and think's he can get the best out of.

A fresh start under a new manager could bring out the best in him. I've got my doubts like, but I'm fine with the decision to keep him and see what he can offer in what should hopefully be a much more coherent team.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: TheRam on June 14, 2018, 06:12:18 PM
Yeah I am myself. Gana / Davies / Gylfi - someone, maybe all three, is in for a tough year.

The obvious is to go 4-2-3-1 but then managers seem to use this to just accommodate players.

I.E the awful three attacking players of klassen, sig and rooney vs spurs, also Davies shifted out to the right in other games
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: brap2 on June 14, 2018, 06:16:25 PM
The obvious is to go 4-2-3-1 but then managers seem to use this to just accommodate players.

I.E the awful three attacking players of klassen, sig and rooney vs spurs, also Davies shifted out to the right in other games

Gylfi can surely play in a 3 - heís even played DM for Iceland and excelled as a regista style playmaker.

Just baffling we didnít see it last year, if we had it may have made me a bit more comfortable
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Juanito on June 14, 2018, 06:25:26 PM
Gylfi can surely play in a 3 - heís even played DM for Iceland and excelled as a regista style playmaker.

Just baffling we didnít see it last year, if we had it may have made me a bit more comfortable

Exactly, his work rate, size and footballing intelligence shows why he would do well in a midfield 3 and has done it before. I keep saying it but I would love to see him in a 3 with Gana and a new box to box machine, with Lookman, Walcott and hopefully Lozano up top.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Lxxx on June 14, 2018, 06:40:11 PM
Had a monstrous defensive output at saints.

At his best for us defensive numbers were something closer to Matic at Chelsea than klaassen.

No worries at all about his tackles / interceptions, but his head is powder puff for me. He’s a jogger. When he gets beat he’s beat for good.

This is the argument always held up for him though. His time at Southampton was years ago now and at a totally different stage of his career. He should be hitting his peak now but it seems like his peak was his final year at Southampton when mentally he was on it, searching for his big move.

His head isn't in it anymore and we need players who are strong enough to drive us forward. I've not seen a sustained run of good form from him since 2015, which tells a story.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Waltzer on June 14, 2018, 07:00:36 PM
Think we'll see the best of Sig this year, we were trying to fit square pegs in round holes last year. With Rooney going I think we'll see Sig on the left of the front 3, with Lookman coming on later on in games. We definitely need a more creative CM, I know he has his injury concerns but I wouldnt mind seeing us go and get Wilshere.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Cereal Killer on June 14, 2018, 07:22:04 PM
Sorry what??

4-2-3-1??

With Gana and Schneids as the 2??

I know I've tried to forget most of last season but isn't this exactly what we did? And it was a shambles, the opposition just walked through us time and again
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: kramer0 on June 14, 2018, 07:29:57 PM
Sorry what??

4-2-3-1??

With Gana and Schneids as the 2??

I know I've tried to forget most of last season but isn't this exactly what we did? And it was a shambles, the opposition just walked through us time and again

That midfield pairing is death.

There are so many things I would do to never see it again.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: brap2 on June 14, 2018, 08:39:02 PM
Starting to flap about the lack of movement tbh
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Jimmywhack on June 14, 2018, 08:43:51 PM
Starting to flap about the lack of movement tbh
Why mate? No one is moving around the world, its not just us
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: themilkycoffees on June 14, 2018, 08:46:54 PM
Starting to flap about the lack of movement tbh

Think we'll start seeing stuff happen early July. Wouldn't worry too much just yet.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: brap2 on June 14, 2018, 08:52:45 PM
Why mate? No one is moving around the world, its not just us

I know I know I just FEEEL like others are closer.

Iím a flap merchant, I know.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: kramer0 on June 14, 2018, 08:58:16 PM
It would make sense for Silva to want a week or two of training with the squad before he and Brands make any big transfer decisions.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: formerKHL on June 14, 2018, 09:00:21 PM
they'll be going through the player files/stats as we speak.....

mark my words
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: blue slug on June 14, 2018, 09:00:43 PM
It would make sense for Silva to want a week or two of training with the squad before he and Brands make any big transfer decisions.

They aren't blind I think all of us know of at least 6 players that just aren't up to it and positions that need urgent attention asap
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Cereal Killer on June 14, 2018, 09:22:44 PM
All the talk of everyone wanting to get their business done before the World Cup, and hardly anyone has done anything. It's not just us
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: themilkycoffees on June 14, 2018, 09:40:50 PM
The problem is clubs will want you to pay a huge premium just to do a deal before the World Cup. In case, one, a player has a great tournament and/or two, it allows you to get that player settled that little bit earlier.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Tofifee on June 14, 2018, 09:46:12 PM
There will be nothing done pre or during the WC so relax!!
We need to sell to buy, our saleable assets that we will maybe be happy to sell are Yannick, and I cant see us getting more than 18m for him, Williams maybe 3m, Klassen maybe 10m for him, Sandro maybe 10m for him from a Spanish club. That would bring in aroud 45m maybe.
Cant see us pulling up trees this summer in the market with that money.
Christ Steve Walsh did an TERRIBLE job!
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Lxxx on June 14, 2018, 09:49:37 PM
All our time will be taken trying to shift quite a few out the door at present. Brands has been quite explicit on the current situation.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: themilkycoffees on June 14, 2018, 09:50:14 PM
There will be nothing done pre or during the WC so relax!!
We need to sell to buy, our saleable assets that we will maybe be happy to sell are Yannick, and I cant see us getting more than 18m for him, Williams maybe 3m, Klassen maybe 10m for him, Sandro maybe 10m for him from a Spanish club. That would bring in aroud 45m maybe.
Cant see us pulling up trees this summer in the market with that money.
Christ Steve Walsh did an TERRIBLE job!

I really don't think we need to sell to buy in terms of transfer funds. More a case of we can't just keep spending silly money and silly wages, so let's reduce the wage bill before we go and spend any more money.

 
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Cereal Killer on June 14, 2018, 09:50:56 PM
There will be nothing done pre or during the WC so relax!!
We need to sell to buy, our saleable assets that we will maybe be happy to sell are Yannick, and I cant see us getting more than 18m for him, Williams maybe 3m, Klassen maybe 10m for him, Sandro maybe 10m for him from a Spanish club. That would bring in aroud 45m maybe.
Cant see us pulling up trees this summer in the market with that money.
Christ Steve Walsh did an TERRIBLE job!

 :headbang: we don't need to sell to buy, and we don't have just the money from sales to spend

We need to reduce the squad size drastically, and it would be continued stupid business sense to keep buying before we've actually rid ourselves of some of the shit in the squad
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Tofifee on June 14, 2018, 10:02:05 PM
Right, so when Marcel said "we need to sell to buy".......he didnt mean it?
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: sam of the south on June 14, 2018, 10:07:08 PM
Jesus
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Gash on June 14, 2018, 10:07:20 PM
Right, so when Marcel said "we need to sell to buy".......he didnt mean it?

Not in the way we did a few years ago. He means that we have far too big a squad so need to clear out some hangers on and reduce the wage bill before we can bring new players in.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: dunkster on June 14, 2018, 10:10:42 PM
Pretty sure Brands wouldn't have come here just as a guy to sell players and maybe pick up a few with the sales money.
Just how much moshiri is willing to pump in on top? Guess we will see.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: kramer0 on June 14, 2018, 10:34:05 PM
He came here to work on a long-term project.

Short-term, given the crowded mess of a squad we have, that means mostly selling with a few carefully considered purchases.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: brap2 on June 14, 2018, 11:35:40 PM
Made up weíre selling a few of these absolute turkeys we call players
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Macca77 on June 15, 2018, 12:13:54 AM
Right, so when Marcel said "we need to sell to buy".......he didnt mean it?

He didn't say we need to sell to buy, he said the squad is to big and needs trimming first which is the right thing to do
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Ross on June 15, 2018, 12:25:55 AM
Iím not expecting a big net spend this summer regardless of how Brands worded it or how itís been interpreted.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Goaljira on June 15, 2018, 04:29:01 AM
4-2-3-1 isn't a version of 4-3-3, its a completely different way of setting up.

I'm sick of having to play 2 defensive midfielders because we don't have 1 who can do everything required.  We had to play McCarthy and then Gana because Barry couldn't run.  We had to play Barry because the other 2 can't pass forwards.  Then we replaced Barry with Schneiderlin, but he never really fit in because with someone who could run along side him there seemed to be some crazy idea that Gana could be utilised further forward, even though he can't pass and offers nothing offensively, and it meant he wasn't there defensively.  Schneiderlin was left exposed by Gana's forays, and just didn't seem to fancy anything but strolling around fouling people.

It seems mental to think given how well he started, but Gana in the starting XI means we're weakening somewhere else to cover his limitations.  At this point I want to apologise to whoever it was who 18 months ago called it that we'd need to replace him if we wanted to crack the top 4.  If he has a good World Cup then i'd genuinely be okay with him moving on and us looking to invest in a more rounded midfielder(Not in the Tom Huddlestone way).
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: dunkster on June 15, 2018, 04:52:18 AM
I think silva suggested that if the central defensive midfielder is good enough it allows the other two to push up so therefore 4-1-2-3.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: dunkster on June 15, 2018, 04:53:02 AM
And when he said that he named Morgan as that player
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: dazfrancis on June 15, 2018, 03:10:48 PM
Gana and Schneiderlin both play better in the DM role when they are on their own. We just need to get the balance right because having 2 out and out attacking CM's we would be too open defensively.

It's one of the reasons Gana, Rooney and Davies was our best CM combination last year. Although Davies was in shite form the overall balance of the team was better because his energy allowed him to get forward and contribute to the attack without compromising our defense.

That's why I wouldn't be too surprised if next season our midfield 3 was something

        Gana / Schneiderlin

   Davies              Gylfi
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Waltzer on June 15, 2018, 03:28:57 PM
Iím not expecting a big net spend this summer regardless of how Brands worded it or how itís been interpreted.

We didnt have a big net spend last season either tbh, wasnt it only about 50 or 60 mill?
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Ross on June 15, 2018, 05:49:06 PM
We didnt have a big net spend last season either tbh, wasnt it only about 50 or 60 mill?

True or the season before so Iím not sure why people believe itís going to be different all of a sudden simply because weíve changed managerial positions, especially at a time were weíre knocking on doors looking for massive loans for a major development.

Weíve heard from Moshiri in the past about how the club needs to be self generating and Brands has said almost the exact thing himself last week. Doesnít mean we wonít spend on whats we needed this summer though given the number of players theyíre hopeful of getting shut of.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Lxxx on June 15, 2018, 07:01:01 PM
Wouldn't it be lovely if we had a midfielder who could actually tackle, run and pass the ball forwards as well. Instead of this obsession with only being able to do one part or the other and thinking that's your only remit.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: formerKHL on June 15, 2018, 07:08:30 PM
Wouldn't it be lovely if we had a midfielder who could actually tackle, run and pass the ball forwards as well. Instead of this obsession with only being able to do one part or the other and thinking that's your only remit.

i'd love a fabrigas/mata type midfielder.....oh the joy to see a slide rule pass played into the channel for our forward who just strokes it home deftly.....
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: TheRam on June 21, 2018, 10:12:13 PM
Word going round that Silva really likes dowell and has told him heís a big part of his plans.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Audrey Horne on June 21, 2018, 10:34:07 PM
Word going round that Silva really likes dowell and has told him heís a big part of his plans.

Be made up if true, i like him a lot.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: D15TIN on June 21, 2018, 10:51:04 PM
Word going round that Silva really likes dowell and has told him he’s a big part of his plans.
that would explain not bidding for maddison then, the two had similar stats last season I think
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: brap2 on June 22, 2018, 01:47:48 AM
Word going round that Silva really likes dowell and has told him heís a big part of his plans.

Reckon he uses him and Sigurdsson alternating in a cm playmaker role like de bruyne last year.
Title: Re: What to do with our current squad
Post by: Silas on June 22, 2018, 01:59:42 AM
I'm really surprised if this is true but it's a massive change if it's true and I'm all for that.