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Title: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Toffee1 on April 04, 2018, 03:23:42 PM
http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/11316202/psv-technical-director-marcel-brands-to-join-everton
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Zoolander on April 04, 2018, 03:25:56 PM
That’ll be Walsh gone
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: TheRam on April 04, 2018, 03:26:17 PM
Boss.

Looks like this is done then.

Have to also assume this spells the end of Allardyce.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Zoolander on April 04, 2018, 03:33:36 PM


Have to also assume this spells the end of Allardyce.
You’d imagine so wouldn’t you. I just don’t want to get my hopes up just yet!
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Mick 1995 on April 04, 2018, 03:37:29 PM
Jesus, omnipresent this guy isn' the:

Quote
The 55-year old Dutchman is represented by agent Mino Raiola and Everton's owner Farhad Moshiri believes the pair could help them land the talent to make them a top-four Premier League team.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Ramjam on April 04, 2018, 03:38:52 PM
That’s Lukaku’s agent, isn’t it?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Escla on April 04, 2018, 03:39:12 PM
Reading that article sounds like Mosh may be giving Raiola a nice brown envelope under the table “to help make Everton a top four team”
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Toffee1 on April 04, 2018, 03:39:35 PM
He is due to join the club at the end of the month according to this article, so you would think/hope that this is to give him time to start the planning for the summer including the search/negotiations for a new manager.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Macca77 on April 04, 2018, 03:39:44 PM
Excellent news, do one Walsh and fuck off Allardyce
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Brownie on April 04, 2018, 03:48:34 PM
What did I say about the potential signing of Fabra? Obviously my Maths is not as bad as I thought
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Jimmywhack on April 04, 2018, 04:14:44 PM
Decent news
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Jamokachi on April 04, 2018, 04:36:18 PM
I think there's a lot that goes on behind doors between us and Raiola. Sensible money would be a manager he represents also coming in over the summer. Whathisface at Wolves is one, as I think Silva might be?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Lxxx on April 04, 2018, 04:38:25 PM
Sensible to get him in now so we don't have another write off of a summer.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: alexb on April 04, 2018, 04:42:36 PM
That lovely feeling of optimism has been washed away :(

https://twitter.com/marcotimmer/status/981459462711111681
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: TheTone on April 04, 2018, 04:49:10 PM
That lovely feeling of optimism has been washed away :(

https://twitter.com/marcotimmer/status/981459462711111681

I'll have a go at translating that

oof, sky sports are a bunch of melts and there's no interest in big Marcel

tweet of the week that like

big brands got a blowjob at PSV once
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Jamokachi on April 04, 2018, 04:53:29 PM
That lovely feeling of optimism has been washed away :(

https://twitter.com/marcotimmer/status/981459462711111681

Sky Sports is now also reporting interest in Marcel Brands! My tweet from last week remains in effect. No one has yet reported for Brands at #PSV.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Mick 1995 on April 04, 2018, 05:00:05 PM
Yeah, his first tweet is saying that PSV have told him nobody has approached Brands.

But that means nobody has approached Brands via them.
Thankfully he doesn't have a master manipulator of an agent - maybe they've been advised he is 99.99% sure to stay at PSV in the summer?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Waltzer on April 04, 2018, 05:01:35 PM
I think there's a lot that goes on behind doors between us and Raiola. Sensible money would be a manager he represents also coming in over the summer. Whathisface at Wolves is one, as I think Silva might be?

Mendes is the agent at Wolves I think, we were in negotiations with him over Fonseca too? But its a good point, it appears you have to get in bed with the devil if you want to get anywhere.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Hawkandro on April 04, 2018, 05:03:23 PM
Brands has a good record of signing young players and selling them for a big profit, can see us taking Raiola's younger players and signing them to long-term deals with a high release clause?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Lxxx on April 04, 2018, 05:16:14 PM
Brands has a good record of signing young players and selling them for a big profit, can see us taking Raiola's younger players and signing them to long-term deals with a high release clause?

Works for everyone.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Toffee1 on April 04, 2018, 05:19:08 PM
Brands has a good record of signing young players and selling them for a big profit, can see us taking Raiola's younger players and signing them to long-term deals with a high release clause?

Just for information but here are some of the young players signed with Raiola.

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/mino-raiola/beraterfirma/berater/282
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Toffee1 on April 04, 2018, 05:22:57 PM
https://twitter.com/pbsportswriter/status/981464601127776256
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: gizzblue on April 04, 2018, 05:26:21 PM
https://twitter.com/pbsportswriter/status/981464601127776256
Like him already 😅
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: dazfrancis on April 04, 2018, 05:45:04 PM
I want this to happen right now. So badly. Fuck waiting.

Fuck off Walsh and Allardyce
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on April 04, 2018, 05:53:32 PM
Encouraging.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Cereal Killer on April 04, 2018, 06:09:53 PM
Just for information but here are some of the young players signed with Raiola.

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/mino-raiola/beraterfirma/berater/282

Balotelli  :bonk:

Looking at a return to the Prem.... no transfer fee, so bigger signing on fee/wages and better cut for the agent.... not that I think agents are only ever interested in money....
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Hawkandro on April 04, 2018, 06:46:54 PM
Just for information but here are some of the young players signed with Raiola.

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/mino-raiola/beraterfirma/berater/282

I'll take Kean, Kluivert and Pellegrini for starters.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: blue1948 on April 04, 2018, 07:52:28 PM
What did I say about the potential signing of Fabra? Obviously my Maths is not as bad as I thought

Don't count your chickens yet!
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Cozzie on April 04, 2018, 09:16:05 PM
Best news I could have possibly heard all day.

Made up, get the dinosaurs Allardyce and Walsh out sharpish.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: KingdingalingNL on April 04, 2018, 11:12:42 PM
Not as nailed on as Sky make it look as according to reports here PSV have not been approached officially yet! BUT!!!!! According to a friend who has contacts at PSV they are preparing for him to leave and are considering promoting John de Jong as his replacement! I really hope this comes off as Brands is a massive improvement on what we have at the club now! I also cannot see him working with Allardyce, so that also gives me hope!
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Ell Capitan on April 04, 2018, 11:43:00 PM
Great news. Even though we have very limited facts and it’s hard to apportion blame, it’s clear Walsh isn’t working out. Fresh start and hopefully a new manager and some good signings coming through the door soon.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: blargins on April 04, 2018, 11:50:33 PM
Knowing us, we'll end up with fucking Russell Brand.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: sam of the south on April 04, 2018, 11:56:26 PM
Knowing us, we'll end up with fucking Russell Brand.

Or end up fucking Russell Brand.

Ah, why not, every other slag has
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Fynci on April 05, 2018, 02:39:12 PM
I’m freelancing at a Dutch company at present and there is a super knowledgeable guy who talks a lot about football. I mentioned the rumor and he said that it has been in the Dutch press too, he says that Brands has a good scouting network in Central and South America and finds good players from Mexico and Columbia.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Hawkandro on April 05, 2018, 02:55:20 PM
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-retain-marcel-brands-interest-14492403

I don't know how true this is, but it doesn't sound promising with regards to a 'summer of sweeping changes'.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Mick 1995 on April 05, 2018, 03:07:34 PM
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-retain-marcel-brands-interest-14492403

I don't know how true this is, but it doesn't sound promising with regards to a 'summer of sweeping changes'.

I was in favour of keeping one (Walsh) for a year and sacking the other (Allardyce) to allow for a bit of continuity. Giving Walsh the benefit of the doubt as most of his signings were probably the right call at the time.

That article makes it sound like we are keeping one & sacking one in the summer, but arse about tit and Allardyce is the one staying.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Cassius on April 05, 2018, 03:19:25 PM
I’m freelancing at a Dutch company at present and there is a super knowledgeable guy who talks a lot about football. I mentioned the rumor and he said that it has been in the Dutch press too, he says that Brands has a good scouting network in Central and South America and finds good players from Mexico and Columbia.

Not many Mexican or Columbian players have made it in the Prem, have they? Doesn't seem to suit their style. Not that I'm playing Brands down or anything.

I was in favour of keeping one (Walsh) for a year and sacking the other (Allardyce) to allow for a bit of continuity. Giving Walsh the benefit of the doubt as most of his signings were probably the right call at the time.

That article makes it sound like we are keeping one & sacking one in the summer, but arse about tit and Allardyce is the one staying.

Isn't the DoF's objectives to decide the fate of the manager?

I hope the club have decided to give the job to Brands now and give him the rest of the season to evaluate the health of the club, the squad, understand its strengths and weaknesses and then decide that Sam is a calamity and then fire him as soon as the whistle blows on this clusterfuck of a season.

That removes Moshiri from the process and he can say it was the new guy implementing his regime.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Ramjam on April 05, 2018, 03:31:35 PM
Just to play devils advocate, and I hope I’m wrong as I don’t know anything about Brands, but As he’s familiar with the Dutch league and the Dutch players would that not make him more likely to sign players such as Klaassen and others he’s been working with. Just a thought like.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Hawkandro on April 05, 2018, 03:33:24 PM
Regardless of how Klaassen has (or hasn't) done this season, it wouldn't put me off looking to bring over players from Holland. Hirving Lozano, Hakim Zayech, De Ligt, Dolberg; there is quality there.

Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Escla on April 05, 2018, 03:46:41 PM
Just to play devils advocate, and I hope I’m wrong as I don’t know anything about Brands, but As he’s familiar with the Dutch league and the Dutch players would that not make him more likely to sign players such as Klaassen and others he’s been working with. Just a thought like.

I honestly don’t think that we will ever find out how good/bad Klaasen is untill he is given the opportunity to play in position within a system that works, personally hope he is kept on and given a chance with a new manager in a structured pre season.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Brownie on April 05, 2018, 04:06:06 PM
Just to play devils advocate, and I hope I’m wrong as I don’t know anything about Brands, but As he’s familiar with the Dutch league and the Dutch players would that not make him more likely to sign players such as Klaassen and others he’s been working with. Just a thought like.

By all accounts he favours South American players
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: BlueMaquis on April 05, 2018, 04:11:49 PM
By all accounts he favours South American players

Hmm... would most of us rather Heitinga and Klaassen or Oviedo and Funes Mori?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Ramjam on April 05, 2018, 04:16:37 PM
Hmm... would most of us rather Heitinga and Klaassen or Oviedo and Funes Mori?
Cruyf and Van Basten or Maradona and Socratese
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Escla on April 05, 2018, 04:16:46 PM
Or maybe Van Persie or  Bergkamp or Arden Robbin or Rudd Gullit or Van Nistelroy or..or... a Koeman !
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Cereal Killer on April 05, 2018, 04:42:55 PM
I’m freelancing at a Dutch company at present and there is a super knowledgeable guy who talks a lot about football. I mentioned the rumor and he said that it has been in the Dutch press too, he says that Brands has a good scouting network in Central and South America and finds good players from Mexico and Columbia.

Mexico and Colombia you say?!

Jose Baxter is already preparing his CV for a new scouting job
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Waltzer on April 05, 2018, 04:52:06 PM
Hmm... would most of us rather Heitinga and Klaassen or Oviedo and Funes Mori?

Heitinga was our player of the season and made it to a World Cup final, we havent had an Everton player in that for over 50 years.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: dunkster on April 05, 2018, 05:36:49 PM
So the Echo reporting that his imminent arrival is s bit far from the mark.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Brownie on April 05, 2018, 05:45:18 PM
So the Echo reporting that his imminent arrival is s bit far from the mark.

I don't believe much the echo posts anymore tbh
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Mick 1995 on April 05, 2018, 05:50:27 PM
The Echo are confirming everything that has been said in here (Sky say it's on, PSV say they've not heard anything), but then go on to add their own spin/info:

PSV have heard nothing as we have not approached them, however Brands is on our radar and a decision will be made if/when he becomes available.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Macca77 on April 05, 2018, 05:50:28 PM
So the Echo reporting that his imminent arrival is s bit far from the mark.

If it doesn't involve the RS then it's not worth printing
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: dunkster on April 05, 2018, 06:54:40 PM
Hoping for a major shake up this summer. Been quite depressing swimming with the bottom feeders this season.players from moyes, martinez and koeman era. From young boys to guys getting on more my age. Serious stuff needs to happen
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: BlueForYou on April 05, 2018, 07:05:18 PM
Trust this isn't a Brands Hatchet job - be good to speed this one through
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on April 05, 2018, 07:11:44 PM
Trust this isn't a Brands Hatchet job - be good to speed this one through

Not upto your normal standard. Can you write only in haikus from now on please?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: BlueForYou on April 05, 2018, 07:19:47 PM
Haiku?

To con-vey one's mood
In sev-en-teen syll-able-s
Is ve-ry dif-fic

Not very good at that, either!
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: TheRam on April 05, 2018, 10:35:44 PM
Blue for you?

More like poo for you

Lol
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: BlueForYou on April 05, 2018, 10:50:46 PM
Lol for you!
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: bacon sarnie on April 06, 2018, 12:14:47 AM
Blue For You
Was good
Status Quo
Record
Still is
And sold many
Haiku
You are welcome!
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: BlueForYou on April 06, 2018, 12:45:15 AM
Well done!

A Frantic Four-de-Force!
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: plowman2 on April 06, 2018, 02:07:14 AM
Regardless of how Klaassen has (or hasn't) done this season, it wouldn't put me off looking to bring over players from Holland. Hirving Lozano, Hakim Zayech, De Ligt, Dolberg; there is quality there.


Hakim Zayech is class.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Fynci on April 06, 2018, 02:52:34 AM
I’m freelancing at a Dutch company at present and there is a super knowledgeable guy who talks a lot about football. I mentioned the rumour and he said that it has been in the Dutch press too, he says that Brands has a good scouting network in Central and South America and finds good players from Mexico and Columbia.

I'm guessing he was talking about these two in particular:

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/hirving-lozano/profil/spieler/316889


https://www.transfermarkt.com/santiago-arias/profil/spieler/120443




Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: brap2 on April 06, 2018, 06:05:29 AM
Seen a few less than congratulatory tweets re the brands stuff I.e we look like we’re taking another blind punt with no strategy and also that we’re hiring someone who potentially comes with raiola shaped baggage.

Frankly, I thought Walsh was a good move. Then we hired Charlie reeves the data guy from forest green, (who by the way (a) lists his job title on twitter as ‘conditional formatting’ which makes me think he’s not feeling particularly challenged or taken seriously in his role and (b) is a massive red who used to hve a coutinho account, and regularly likes Liverpool shite on twitter. Which annoys me no end.) and I thought that was a good sign.

We know different now, and maybe there will be more shakeups to come, but on reflection we probably are doing the same thing again aren’t we - buying an expensive pair of dangly dice when the engine is dragging on the road behind us.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Brownie on April 06, 2018, 07:40:16 AM
From Dominic King

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-5583847/Everton-weigh-potential-partnership-Marcel-Brands-Steve-Walsh.html
Title: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: kramer0 on April 06, 2018, 08:01:21 AM
"Everton weigh up backroom clusterfuck.”
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Ramjam on April 06, 2018, 09:55:34 AM
From Dominic King

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-5583847/Everton-weigh-potential-partnership-Marcel-Brands-Steve-Walsh.html
Obviously Moshiri seen Koeman as the main problem and not Walsh
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Alanvideo on April 06, 2018, 02:01:01 PM
The same article confirms that Elstone will leave at the end of the season. Seems a strange time to go just when the club is starting a major project and he was appointed to the board last year . I assume he will stand down from the board too.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: brap2 on April 06, 2018, 02:16:26 PM
"Everton weigh up backroom clusterfuck.”

Are you in the same boat here, a bit worried?

I mean - I think I do still want Brands because he’s signed some great players in the past and the reviews have been good, but Walsh was off the back of an incredible league win powered by Kante, Vardy and Mahrez, and all reports were extremely positive too.

I dunno, I don’t think we can afford for things to get worse than they are now, so whatever move they do make it needs to be the right one with long term planning in place, not relying on raiola to sign players who are above our current position...
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Lincs Toffee on April 06, 2018, 02:28:30 PM
I dunno, I don’t think we can afford for things to get worse than they are now, so whatever move they do make it needs to be the right one with long term planning in place, not relying on raiola to sign players who are above our current position...

Not sure they can get much worse can they?...I think they could work well together but only if we have the right manager in playing the right football and highlighting the areas needed to strengthen.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: brap2 on April 06, 2018, 02:41:55 PM
Not sure they can get much worse can they?...I think they could work well together but only if we have the right manager in playing the right football and highlighting the areas needed to strengthen.

I would say if we’re starting rooney and Morgan in CM next year then we are in a lot of trouble.

I genuinely think we were nearly dragged into it this year, and I know we’ve ended up safe and probably inside the top 10, but there literally by the grace of god imo.

If we get worse next year we will be in very bad shape, not to mention what the fans will be like after nearly 5 years of abject failure and listless drifting.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Jimmywhack on April 06, 2018, 02:43:01 PM
I'm really struggling to care about anything Everton do lately
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Hawkandro on April 06, 2018, 02:43:37 PM
Are you in the same boat here, a bit worried?

I mean - I think I do still want Brands because he’s signed some great players in the past and the reviews have been good, but Walsh was off the back of an incredible league win powered by Kante, Vardy and Mahrez, and all reports were extremely positive too.

I dunno, I don’t think we can afford for things to get worse than they are now, so whatever move they do make it needs to be the right one with long term planning in place, not relying on raiola to sign players who are above our current position...

Yeah, it sounds like we still haven't decided what the fuck we want. Let's chuck another cook into the mix, rather than maybe streamlining it back again.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: TheRam on April 06, 2018, 02:46:47 PM
Allardyce is staying.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Escla on April 06, 2018, 02:51:41 PM
Allardyce is staying.

Stop it you tease  :wag:
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Escla on April 06, 2018, 03:31:24 PM
Allardyce is staying.

Seamus the latest player to be singing Allardyce’s praise on the O.S. That’s, Jags, Keane, Gana and Rooney that have now done that, what’s going on ?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Ramjam on April 06, 2018, 03:33:26 PM
Seamus the latest player to be singing Allardyce's praise on the O.S. That's, Jags, Keane, Gana and Rooney that have now done that, what's going on ?
They all said the same about Koeman and Rhino and look what happened there, don’t read too much into it mate
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Mick 1995 on April 06, 2018, 03:37:14 PM
Most people in the game seem to like Allardyce. It's only the fans of the clubs he is at that hate him (except Sunderland and Bolton fans - they all think he is good).

RE: Brands/Walsh
I was never convinced about Walsh, signing 3 players in a 4 year period (12 for Vardy, 14 for Mahrez & 15 for Kante) out of an interupted 10 years at Leicester didn't strike me as impressive as people were saying.

Although, he was the guy who scouted out Drogba for Chelsea as well.

Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: sam of the south on April 06, 2018, 03:50:48 PM
Allardyce is staying.

That would be insane.

But I can see it happening.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Alanvideo on April 06, 2018, 04:03:01 PM
They all said the same about Koeman and Rhino and look what happened there, don’t read too much into it mate
..............exactly. Players aren't going to say Sam is a shithouse on the OS of the club paying their salary
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: brap2 on April 06, 2018, 04:11:04 PM
Allardyce is staying.

Would fuck it off personally. Keep an eye on the scores and watch it occasionally, but it would write off next year for me tbh
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: TheRam on April 06, 2018, 04:12:57 PM
Would fuck it off personally. Keep an eye on the scores and watch it occasionally, but it would write off next year for me tbh


We'll be hitting below 30k by December.

It's the sensible choice though.

Keep him for another year and avoid another massive pay off.

Moshiri really has fucked this massively.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Macca77 on April 06, 2018, 04:17:37 PM
Allardyce is staying.

No chance, Moshiri has made mistakes but he knows Allardyce is wrong for the club, brought him in cos he panicked, hes done what was expected, will be fucked off in the summer for an ambitious, young hungry manager
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Waltzer on April 06, 2018, 04:22:46 PM

We'll be hitting below 30k by December.

It's the sensible choice though.

Keep him for another year and avoid another massive pay off.

Moshiri really has fucked this massively.

Im not travelling a few hundred miles to watch that s**t thats for sure. Look at the rest of the leagues approach to games, its about attacking free flowing football, particularly those above us, our approach is to stink the place out with negativity and hope it gets us somewhere. If he stays beyond the end of the season it tells you all you need to know about Moshiris plans!
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: TheRam on April 06, 2018, 04:30:42 PM
No chance, Moshiri has made mistakes but he knows Allardyce is wrong for the club, brought him in cos he panicked, hes done what was expected, will be fucked off in the summer for an ambitious, young hungry manager

He's a business man.

He'll see the outlay we already have paying off Koeman and Martinez and look at that when it comes to Sam.

He'll see someone who's stabilised us, worked well in the market, with one year left on his deal to work with the squad.

To get rid of him would cost him another 6mil, and risk the stability that's been brought in.

I want him gone as much as anyone but it'll come down to a business decision at the end of the day and the right business decision is to just keep him for the duration of his deal.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Ross on April 06, 2018, 04:38:03 PM
Bringing in another DoF to work with the current DoF would be ridiculous.

I can definitely see Moshiri doing that.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Waltzer on April 06, 2018, 04:44:56 PM
He's a business man.

He'll see the outlay we already have paying off Koeman and Martinez and look at that when it comes to Sam.

He'll see someone who's stabilised us, worked well in the market, with one year left on his deal to work with the squad.

To get rid of him would cost him another 6mil, and risk the stability that's been brought in.

I want him gone as much as anyone but it'll come down to a business decision at the end of the day and the right business decision is to just keep him for the duration of his deal.

I get what your saying but I dont see it, if hes committed to making us top 4 contenders (which im still to be convinced of) treading water with Allardyce is going to do nothing to aid that. Fans are already frustrated with him and voice that on a regular occurrence and the last thing he wants is fans not turning up, especially as were looking at expanding our capacity at a new stadium .
There also in excess of a 10 million difference between finish 9th/10th to 5th/6th in the league and id argue we'd struggle to improve much on where we are under Sam so is 6 million a big outlay to get rid, or is it 6 million well spent if the next manager does deliver us a higher position? This summer comes down to Moshiris ambition and what he wants to see on the pitch, if his dull mediocrity we stay as we are, I hope we see something different.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: School of Science on April 06, 2018, 04:47:15 PM
Would feel a lot happier if we just got rid and started from scratch next season. Allardyce, Elstone, Kenwright and Walsh shown the door, replaced by Fonseca, Brands. Out with the old in with the new.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Hawkandro on April 06, 2018, 05:29:09 PM
Allardyce staying would drain most of - if not all of - my enthusiasm for next season.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Hawkandro on April 06, 2018, 05:44:48 PM
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Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Ramjam on April 06, 2018, 06:55:35 PM
Allardyce staying would drain most of - if not all of - my enthusiasm for next season.
Dan, forget about the 55.000 complicity we only need 25 to 30 thousand now that Sams staying
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: kramer0 on April 06, 2018, 06:57:51 PM
Are you in the same boat here, a bit worried?

It depends.

If we're clearing out Walsh and Allardyce and looking to rebuild from the top down, I'm fine with it. I don't know enough about Brands to feel any sort of confidence in the move but he's a better fit than Walsh in the sense that his background isn't just in scouting.

If we're bringing Brands in to work alongside Walsh... then I'm worried. I already think we have too many people pulling in too many directions. Adding another one isn't going to make things any better. We need some organization and calm behind the scenes. Throwing another director of football into the ring accomplishes neither of those things.

Short version: I don't think we'll see better results on the pitch until we get everyone at the club pulling in the same direction, in the boardroom and on the footballing side of things. If Brands is a step in that direction, great. If not, what's the point?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bluenose 91 on April 06, 2018, 07:08:34 PM
Surely this fella wouldn't even come here if he had to work alongside Walsh?

Could see it if Walsh gets demoted to just a scout or something but we aren't going to have two DoF's surely?!
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Cassius on April 06, 2018, 07:53:00 PM
He's a business man.

He'll see the outlay we already have paying off Koeman and Martinez and look at that when it comes to Sam.

He'll see someone who's stabilised us, worked well in the market, with one year left on his deal to work with the squad.

To get rid of him would cost him another 6mil, and risk the stability that's been brought in.

I want him gone as much as anyone but it'll come down to a business decision at the end of the day and the right business decision is to just keep him for the duration of his deal.

As a businessman, hitting 30k attendances by December and losing revenue and enthusiasm from a disenfranchised support might be more than £6m. I can't be arsed to work it out or do the maths to see if that's the case.

I don't think any sort of pay off will concern Moshiri.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: ajax_andy on April 06, 2018, 07:56:17 PM
'Working alongside' could mean anything, chill yer boots!

Could easily mean Brands comes in as Director of Football and Walsh becomes Director of recruitment or something like a glorified chief scout
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Macca77 on April 06, 2018, 08:00:05 PM
As a businessman, hitting 30k attendances by December and losing revenue and enthusiasm from a disenfranchised support might be more than £6m. I can't be arsed to work it out or do the maths to see if that's the case.

I don't think any sort of pay off will concern Moshiri.

I doubt there will be a massive pay off anyway, he will get his bonus and that will be that
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on April 06, 2018, 08:23:00 PM
Have to say, I am getting a little worried with all these whispers and rumours about Allardyce staying. Much less convinced that he's going than I was.

And that'll also be me fucking next season off altogether.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Jimmywhack on April 06, 2018, 08:24:02 PM
Have to say, I am getting a little worried with all these whispers and rumours about Allardyce staying. Much less convinced that he's going than I was.

And that'll also be me fucking next season off altogether.
Ive renewed but I cant see me going a game if he stays
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: BlueForYou on April 06, 2018, 08:48:06 PM
In Moshiri's eyes, what makes you think Allardyce won't stay?

For now, concentrate on him not getting an extended contract renewal
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on April 06, 2018, 08:52:58 PM
It depends.

If we're clearing out Walsh and Allardyce and looking to rebuild from the top down, I'm fine with it. I don't know enough about Brands to feel any sort of confidence in the move but he's a better fit than Walsh in the sense that his background isn't just in scouting.

If we're bringing Brands in to work alongside Walsh... then I'm worried. I already think we have too many people pulling in too many directions. Adding another one isn't going to make things any better. We need some organization and calm behind the scenes. Throwing another director of football into the ring accomplishes neither of those things.

Short version: I don't think we'll see better results on the pitch until we get everyone at the club pulling in the same direction, in the boardroom and on the footballing side of things. If Brands is a step in that direction, great. If not, what's the point?

To not get rid of Walsh and Allardyce, root and branch, is to ignore the basics of the "sunk cost fallacy" economics lesson.  Surely a businessman like Moshiri couldn't be that stupid/blind?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: sam of the south on April 06, 2018, 09:01:06 PM
To not get rid of Walsh and Allardyce, root and branch, is to ignore the basics of the "sunk cost fallacy" economics lesson.  Surely a businessman like Moshiri couldn't be that stupid/blind?

I think he might be a bit handstand, mate.

The Jim White stuff, the Lukaku voodoo thing (even if it happened, keep it to yourself) the Koeman and Allardyce fanboy shit.

I’m getting a feeling that he very much lucked out by becoming the accountant of the right guy.

Just because he’s a good accountant doesn’t make him an ace businessman.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: bluenuck on April 07, 2018, 12:23:21 AM
I think he might be a bit handstand, mate.

The Jim White stuff, the Lukaku voodoo thing (even if it happened, keep it to yourself) the Koeman and Allardyce fanboy shit.

I’m getting a feeling that he very much lucked out by becoming the accountant of the right guy.

Just because he’s a good accountant doesn’t make him an ace businessman.

Meh, I really don't know if he's a good businessman. I don't really think any of us do. Financially so far we can't complain what he's done for the club.

Is he being taken for a ride when it comes to the on field areas of a football club? I'd have to say probably, yes. All we can hope for is that he learns from the past 2 seasons.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: sam of the south on April 07, 2018, 01:13:21 AM
Meh, I really don't know if he's a good businessman. I don't really think any of us do. Financially so far we can't complain what he's done for the club.

Is he being taken for a ride when it comes to the on field areas of a football club? I'd have to say probably, yes. All we can hope for is that he learns from the past 2 seasons.

They’ve all been his choices, though, mate.

So, based on the decisions that he’s made thus far the jury is still out.

If he pulls off Bramley Moore successfully, bins Allardyce, gets in a coach like Fonseca, and brings in Brands who hits the ground running and works with or without Walsh, then my hat goes off to him.

Currently though my cap stays on, messing up my barnet.

Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Danny on April 07, 2018, 01:33:42 AM
I'll probably forgive most things if the stadium is everything we all hope it'll be, even if we just ended up in 10th for the next few seasons it would be worth it in the long run.

What we desperately need to avoid is a West Ham situation where we get a shit stadium, Goodison gets knocked down and Moshiri tries to sell us on to someone else looking to get a piece of the premier league pie.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: sam of the south on April 07, 2018, 01:39:11 AM
I'll probably forgive most things if the stadium is everything we all hope it'll be, even if we just ended up in 10th for the next few seasons it would be worth it in the long run.

What we desperately need to avoid is a West Ham situation where we get a shit stadium, Goodison gets knocked down and Moshiri tries to sell us on to someone else looking to get a piece of the premier league pie.

Unless that someone else is Usmanov
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Danny on April 07, 2018, 01:42:14 AM
Unless that someone else is Usmanov

Even if he was, if we get the stadium move wrong were stuck with it for 50 years.

Desperately hoping we get it right, it's looking really positive so far.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: sam of the south on April 07, 2018, 05:05:43 AM
Even if he was, if we get the stadium move wrong were stuck with it for 50 years.

Desperately hoping we get it right, it's looking really positive so far.

I want both.

A kick arse stadium and a really rich, ambitous owner.

Oh, and world peace ✌🏼
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Ross on April 07, 2018, 05:13:02 AM
No need to worry about the stadium Moshiri has brought onboard an expert for this kind of thing..






....”I hate that duck!
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Thornton_19 on April 07, 2018, 07:48:40 AM
Ill forgive Moshiri for a lot of things, if im ever annoyed at him or think he isnt doing whats right i just remember the summer we sold Arteta and loaned Strac and Drenthe. After selling Pienaar the Window prior.


Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on April 07, 2018, 04:40:34 PM
I'm really struggling to care about anything Everton do lately

This x10000

Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: dangermouse on April 07, 2018, 04:54:51 PM
Are you in the same boat here, a bit worried?

I mean - I think I do still want Brands because he's signed some great players in the past and the reviews have been good, but Walsh was off the back of an incredible league win powered by Kante, Vardy and Mahrez, and all reports were extremely positive too.

I dunno, I don't think we can afford for things to get worse than they are now, so whatever move they do make it needs to be the right one with long term planning in place, not relying on raiola to sign players who are above our current position...

Actively seeking a replacement so publicly is a sure fire way of loosing any case in an employment tribunal.
Much better to say partnership and hope Walsh realises he’s not wanted leaving of his own accord. I’d imagine Everton would still end up having to pay up as that’s constructive dismissal... worth a try though haha.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 07, 2018, 04:55:25 PM
It’s hard to be enthusiastic about anything around the club and it has been for a long long while barring the odd false down or promised then missed opportunity

What’s our highlights since 1995 FA Cup win?? A 4th place that then promptly saw us knocked out of the champions league and humiliated in the Europa League without even trying to build a squad that could compete
A fifth place under Martinez promptly followed by the realisation he was a lunatic
Moshiri coming in and wasting a couple of 100 million on proven not quite good enough

It’s painful being a blue. An endless cycle of shite and false hope. Very little faith in anyone at the club. Owners’ manager, director of football, the players. From the best of them to the worst of them they are all short of what we need

Honestly been losing interest in football for a few years now. First time I haven’t been arsed to watch Everton every week though
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on April 07, 2018, 05:05:22 PM
It’s hard to be enthusiastic about anything around the club and it has been for a long long while barring the odd false down or promised then missed opportunity

What’s our highlights since 1995 FA Cup win?? A 4th place that then promptly saw us knocked out of the champions league and humiliated in the Europa League without even trying to build a squad that could compete
A fifth place under Martinez promptly followed by the realisation he was a lunatic
Moshiri coming in and wasting a couple of 100 million on proven not quite good enough

It’s painful being a blue. An endless cycle of shite and false hope. Very little faith in anyone at the club. Owners’ manager, director of football, the players. From the best of them to the worst of them they are all short of what we need

Honestly been losing interest in football for a few years now. First time I haven’t been arsed to watch Everton every week though

Yeah, it's not been great, but then a lot of other clubs have suffered a lot, lot worse than us. So we need to keep things in perspective a bit, and not be so miserablist.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 07, 2018, 06:01:23 PM
Yeah, it's not been great, but then a lot of other clubs have suffered a lot, lot worse than us. So we need to keep things in perspective a bit, and not be so miserablist.

I think it’s almost made worse by the fact that we are kind of stuck. We have no highs or lows. We are just kind of stuck 7-10th every season without really much hope of going up or down. I can honestly see us finishing top 10 for the next 20 years but never top 4. It’s weird because like you say relative to most we are extremely successful. It’s just bloody boring too

It’s the hope and then failure to capitalise that’s killed me. Kings Dock at a time we could have ended up where City are had we got that right. Champions league only to then not buy any players. Now this with Moshiri. It’s not so much we’ve signed the wrong players it’s the lack of ambition in them signings. We had to show imagination and take some risks. We just seemed determined to cement our place on the outside with what we signed

Obviously allardyce hasn’t been great. I do think he’s carried too much of the weight for us being shit though. Not helped himself by biting and talking a lot of nonsense in response to it though. We need a new manager but do we have faith we have anyone qualified to decide who that should be. Probably need a new director of football too. In terms of finances we are still behind the 6 above us so we need the guy from arsenal to come in and take over from Moshiri. Then unfortunately we need to find 2 or 3 genuine world class players because all the top 6 have at least that.
It just feels that we are a little short everywhere. Very little to pin our hopes to. We need to find ourselves a hero. Just 1 really exciting player for us to get behind

Think they all fell a little short of what we dreamed but we’ve gone from having Barkley, lukaku, stones and del who people could make a genuine genuine argument for 1 day being top top players to a few who might have decent premier league careers

Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Macca77 on April 09, 2018, 12:02:36 AM
https://twitter.com/ALANMYERSMEDIA/status/983017562530304000
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: blue1948 on April 09, 2018, 12:30:31 AM
I think it’s almost made worse by the fact that we are kind of stuck. We have no highs or lows. We are just kind of stuck 7-10th every season without really much hope of going up or down. I can honestly see us finishing top 10 for the next 20 years but never top 4. It’s weird because like you say relative to most we are extremely successful. It’s just bloody boring too

It’s the hope and then failure to capitalise that’s killed me. Kings Dock at a time we could have ended up where City are had we got that right. Champions league only to then not buy any players. Now this with Moshiri. It’s not so much we’ve signed the wrong players it’s the lack of ambition in them signings. We had to show imagination and take some risks. We just seemed determined to cement our place on the outside with what we signed

Obviously allardyce hasn’t been great. I do think he’s carried too much of the weight for us being shit though. Not helped himself by biting and talking a lot of nonsense in response to it though. We need a new manager but do we have faith we have anyone qualified to decide who that should be. Probably need a new director of football too. In terms of finances we are still behind the 6 above us so we need the guy from arsenal to come in and take over from Moshiri. Then unfortunately we need to find 2 or 3 genuine world class players because all the top 6 have at least that.
It just feels that we are a little short everywhere. Very little to pin our hopes to. We need to find ourselves a hero. Just 1 really exciting player for us to get behind

Think they all fell a little short of what we dreamed but we’ve gone from having Barkley, lukaku, stones and del who people could make a genuine genuine argument for 1 day being top top players to a few who might have decent premier league careers


I thought your post was quite level headed until the word Del ,lost interest and belief then.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 09, 2018, 01:05:28 AM
I thought your post was quite level headed until the word Del ,lost interest and belief then.

I don’t rate him at all but he came with a massive reputation and lots still do. Don’t think we have anyone now any of us really believe we go to the very top
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Toffee1 on April 09, 2018, 02:09:10 AM
To add to @Macca77 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=1930) post earlier - Alan Myers seems quite confident in this tweet from earlier this evening.

https://twitter.com/ALANMYERSMEDIA/status/983038153941553154


Sky Sports reporting as much also.

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/11323347/everton-approach-for-psv-director-of-football-marcel-brands-confirmed-by-dutch-side
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Brownie on April 09, 2018, 02:37:48 AM
Good read this

http://inbedwithmaradona.com/journal/2016/3/28/unity-is-strength-marcel-brands-and-psv
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Ari on April 09, 2018, 03:34:08 AM
Boss.

Looks like this is done then.

Have to also assume this spells the end of Allardyce.

You didn't expect HIM to be DOF?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on April 09, 2018, 03:48:15 AM
It’s hard to be enthusiastic about anything around the club and it has been for a long long while barring the odd false down or promised then missed opportunity

What’s our highlights since 1995 FA Cup win?? A 4th place that then promptly saw us knocked out of the champions league and humiliated in the Europa League without even trying to build a squad that could compete
A fifth place under Martinez promptly followed by the realisation he was a lunatic
Moshiri coming in and wasting a couple of 100 million on proven not quite good enough

It’s painful being a blue. An endless cycle of shite and false hope. Very little faith in anyone at the club. Owners’ manager, director of football, the players. From the best of them to the worst of them they are all short of what we need

Honestly been losing interest in football for a few years now. First time I haven’t been arsed to watch Everton every week though
Spot on this...no matter how bad we've been over the years, Everton always gave us our odd day in the sun that kept us going, they aren't even capable of that anymore.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: BlueForYou on April 09, 2018, 04:38:23 AM
We haven't given up on going Dutch, then?

Has Louis Van Gaal retired?

Hmmmm - interesting to see where this one goes......................... ................
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: howard1334 on April 09, 2018, 07:44:36 AM
Yeah, it's not been great, but then a lot of other clubs have suffered a lot, lot worse than us. So we need to keep things in perspective a bit, and not be so miserablist.

The way our expectations were raised over Spring and Summer 2017 has made this season all the more difficult to swallow. Our situation is not really comparable to what many other clubs have faced.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on April 09, 2018, 10:47:53 AM
The way our expectations were raised over Spring and Summer 2017 has made this season all the more difficult to swallow. Our situation is not really comparable to what many other clubs have faced.

Of course it is. It's always comparable. No team is an island. Fans of certain other clubs have suffered much worse than we have.

Don't get me wrong, we've had a number of major disappointments and it's been hard going at times, but keep a bit of perspective.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Ramjam on April 09, 2018, 11:18:10 AM
Of course it is. It's always comparable. No team is an island. Fans of certain other clubs have suffered much worse than we have.

Don't get me wrong, we've had a number of major disappointments and it's been hard going at times, but keep a bit of perspective.
Exactly, picture this, supporting WBA, Southampton, Stoke, crystal Palace, Huddersfield or Liverpool
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: di_guyo on April 09, 2018, 02:16:41 PM
Exactly, picture this, supporting WBA, Southampton, Stoke, crystal Palace, Huddersfield or Liverpool

Ignoring the obvious... all lower expectations without massive amounts being spent on new players. Soton fans are probably the only team there that'll feel significantly disappointed - they've made little effort to address key sales and have struggled with managerial changes. Ultimately though, you look at their first 11....they're shite.

Not saying we've got the worst situation in the world or anything, but we're probably the biggest disappointment in the league this season. We were made a joke by the amounts we spent on players and how excited everyone got in the summer.

On the topic of the thread, quite impressed by what I've read on Brands. However, always a bit nervous about someone coming into a 'different' job. From having to focus on lower budgets and delivering sustainable stability, to what'll likely be quite a sizeable warchest isn't easy....from finding players that have flopped elsewhere but have potential, to top half side in the Premier League demanding European qualification....big change.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Hawkandro on April 09, 2018, 02:37:53 PM
Good read this

http://inbedwithmaradona.com/journal/2016/3/28/unity-is-strength-marcel-brands-and-psv

I could easily see us adopting the PSV model under Brands. Definitely have the youth setup to do so.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: howard1334 on April 09, 2018, 02:54:29 PM
Of course it is. It's always comparable. No team is an island. Fans of certain other clubs have suffered much worse than we have.

Don't get me wrong, we've had a number of major disappointments and it's been hard going at times, but keep a bit of perspective.

Bit of a straw man. I never stated that our situation is worse -- relegation is awful, and it is typically going to be more difficult to go through as a supporter than what we are dealing with now. But at least over the last decade or so, our situation is fairly unique -- making it more difficult to compare our emotional mindset to what others supporters going through other tough times might be feeling. Since Mishori arrived, we have been in the top 10 in spending in Europe, yet we languish at 9th in the table after finishing 11th, 11th, and 7th. We have not only failed to progress but arguably regressed. It is tough to find other teams that have dealt with similar extremes. You can make arguments that Liverpool and Tottenham similarly struggled after selling Suarez and Bale, respectively, and then reinvesting, but I think that would be overstating your case. There are lots of factors that distinguished our situation from theirs.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: penguinofdoom1878 on April 09, 2018, 06:19:21 PM
I could easily see us adopting the PSV model under Brands. Definitely have the youth setup to do so.

*bangs one man Jardim drum*

Brands/Jardim dream team
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Trowel on April 09, 2018, 08:45:18 PM
Asked about the Blues' interest, Brands told NRC: "Everton, it's flattering, but I've said no more than yes in recent years.

"I also said yes to PSV only the second time. I have a very nice job and a nice life here.

"The question is whether I want to give it up. I've never been a club-hopper."

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/marcel-brands-flattered-everton-interest-14509191
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: sam of the south on April 09, 2018, 09:09:55 PM
Asked about the Blues' interest, Brands told NRC: "Everton, it's flattering, but I've said no more than yes in recent years.

"I also said yes to PSV only the second time. I have a very nice job and a nice life here.

"The question is whether I want to give it up. I've never been a club-hopper."

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/marcel-brands-flattered-everton-interest-14509191

The Echo would love us to be stuck with the Allardyce/Walsh dreamteam, so I bet they collectively creamed themselves when they picked up this little quote. 
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Paddockoldie on April 09, 2018, 10:54:38 PM
I can't see him coming here to be honest. He sounds like he's happy doing what he does in his own country, so why gamble? Money isn't everything and he's probably on a good wage there. Was a nice idea but I'd jib the DOF myself because what benefit do they have over a good manager and scouting team? We're asking what does Walsh do, so would we see the difference if we dropped the role?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Paddockoldie on April 09, 2018, 10:55:56 PM
I still want the prick Allardyce gone, just to make that clear.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on April 09, 2018, 11:14:43 PM
I can't see him coming here to be honest. He sounds like he's happy doing what he does in his own country, so why gamble? Money isn't everything and he's probably on a good wage there. Was a nice idea but I'd jib the DOF myself because what benefit do they have over a good manager and scouting team? We're asking what does Walsh do, so would we see the difference if we dropped the role?

We've implemented it badly, but the idea is a sound one and works at plenty of clubs. In fact, we've implemented it catastrophically.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: 74Blue on April 09, 2018, 11:27:07 PM
On the topic of the thread, quite impressed by what I've read on Brands. However, always a bit nervous about someone coming into a 'different' job. From having to focus on lower budgets and delivering sustainable stability, to what'll likely be quite a sizeable warchest isn't easy....from finding players that have flopped elsewhere but have potential, to top half side in the Premier League demanding European qualification....big change.
Which was exactly what we were very, very good at when we had fuck all money and David Moyes at the helm. Pienaar, Arteta, Howard to name just three players who had stuggled to live up to expectations elsewhere and were brought in for very little only for DM to get a tune out of them.
I'm not saying for a second that I'd like to see DM return, but someone like him working with a DOF who is singing from the same hymnsheet in terms of the type of player that he's looking for would be very interesting indeed.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Lxxx on April 10, 2018, 12:07:10 AM
It’s hard to be enthusiastic about anything around the club and it has been for a long long while barring the odd false down or promised then missed opportunity

What’s our highlights since 1995 FA Cup win?? A 4th place that then promptly saw us knocked out of the champions league and humiliated in the Europa League without even trying to build a squad that could compete
A fifth place under Martinez promptly followed by the realisation he was a lunatic
Moshiri coming in and wasting a couple of 100 million on proven not quite good enough

It’s painful being a blue. An endless cycle of shite and false hope. Very little faith in anyone at the club. Owners’ manager, director of football, the players. From the best of them to the worst of them they are all short of what we need

Honestly been losing interest in football for a few years now. First time I haven’t been arsed to watch Everton every week though

Pretty much this for me.

I used to think it was just getting into my 40's and having a family that is making football fall (understandably) down the priority list but even up to a few years ago I still used to enjoy sitting down to watch a game on Sky if it was on. However I think the last 3-4 years of Everton has done me in.

Watching the club you've followed closely all your life turn into such a sorry state of affairs I think has turned me off football in general and we epitomise a lot of why football is losing it's appeal for me. Too many millionaire players who can't be arsed, a game awash with billions but no-one has any real passion anymore and complete football overkill on the TV every night of the week nearly.

I cancelled my Sky and BT subscriptions not because of cost but just so that £75/month could go to my kids instead of lining the pockets of the players we see today.

Having said that if Moshiri has an epiphany and decides he wants to make us the Leipzig of the Premier League and invest in young, exciting players as well as a similar looking manager and setup then I'd probably be at it again like a shot. Another season of Allardyce though would see me off. 
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Escla on April 10, 2018, 12:47:33 AM
Forget Sky subscriptions, just get a Now T.V. Box (subsidiary of Sky) and pay £7.99 for 24 hours sky sports all channels whenever we are on.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: School of Science on April 10, 2018, 03:29:56 AM
Asked about the Blues' interest, Brands told NRC: "Everton, it's flattering, but I've said no more than yes in recent years.

"I also said yes to PSV only the second time. I have a very nice job and a nice life here.

"The question is whether I want to give it up. I've never been a club-hopper."

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/marcel-brands-flattered-everton-interest-14509191

Does not sound promising at all that, think we got our billionaire 5 years too late.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: American Evertonian on April 10, 2018, 03:38:48 AM
The Echo would love us to be stuck with the Allardyce/Walsh dreamteam, so I bet they collectively creamed themselves when they picked up this little quote. 

Why do you say that?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: sam of the south on April 10, 2018, 03:53:32 AM
Why do you say that?

It’s a red rag
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Brownie on April 10, 2018, 03:54:57 AM
Does not sound promising at all that, think we got our billionaire 5 years too late.

Or, with their league not won yet maybe he is showing a bit of class and concentrating on that?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Macca77 on April 10, 2018, 04:45:45 AM
Why do you say that?

The clue is in the name, Liverpool echo, they don't give a shiny shite about us
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: dunkster on April 10, 2018, 06:05:49 AM
Maybe if we get a decent manager who comes in and somehow gets the best from klaasen, Walcott and co..  stabilised Keane at the back etc. May realise Walsh buys weren't actually that bad.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: brap2 on April 10, 2018, 06:16:25 AM
Need :

LB
CB
CMx2
LW
CF

And that’s mostly replacing old or outgoing players.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: dunkster on April 10, 2018, 06:19:48 AM
Yep.. big summer needed
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Thornton_19 on April 10, 2018, 07:25:28 AM
Need :

LB
CB
CMx2
LW
CF

And that's mostly replacing old or outgoing players.
I feel its paramount that we ship out a lot of players.

We desperately need a fresh slate between the squad and the fans.
We cant have too many of the culprits from this year hanging about for another year.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: School of Science on April 10, 2018, 08:36:02 AM
Or, with their league not won yet maybe he is showing a bit of class and concentrating on that?

Maybe, we shall see, I have my doubts though with Everton there is no point in being too optimistic.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: dunkster on April 10, 2018, 02:57:17 PM
Or, with their league not won yet maybe he is showing a bit of class and concentrating on that?

Maybe he didn't need to reply to any of it at all just yet?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Brownie on April 10, 2018, 02:59:48 PM
Maybe he didn't need to reply to any of it at all just yet?

If he's asked a question the polite thing to do is reply.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: dunkster on April 10, 2018, 03:03:45 PM
He was probably interested in the job so made sure he watched our last couple of performances and realised just HOW MANY rabbits he was gonna need to pull out of his hat to turn things around.
No wonder he's having serious doubts
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Toffee1 on April 10, 2018, 03:07:34 PM
He was probably interested in the job so made sure he watched our last couple of performances and realised just HOW MANY rabbits he was gonna need to pull out of his hat to turn things around.
No wonder he's having serious doubts

Hopefully, he will see it as a challenge and from the excellent article that @Brownie20 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=169) posted a couple of days ago, it is reminiscent of what he was faced with at PSV.

I think his diplomatic approach when asked the question could also be that he is seeking assurances that it will be his show to run and Steptoe (Allardyce) and Son (Walsh) won't be anywhere in the picture. 
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Waltzer on April 10, 2018, 03:09:21 PM
Need :

LB
CB
CMx2
LW
CF

And that’s mostly replacing old or outgoing players.

Think the difficulty will be getting rid, I expect we'll need to offload a fair few to do the level of overhaul thats required and they will be on big wages so its finding someone stupid enough to pay what they're on. With the exception of Pickford, Coleman, Walcott, Sigurdsson, Lookman, Vlasic and Tosun I wouldnt be too worried to see any of the rest leave
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Ramjam on April 10, 2018, 03:10:33 PM
The longer he keeps us dangling the bigger package he’d demand, no doubt he’s noticed the way we conducted our business with Siggy, Koeman and Martinez
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Toffee1 on April 10, 2018, 03:16:31 PM
The longer he keeps us dangling the bigger package he’d demand, no doubt he’s noticed the way we conducted our business with Siggy, Koeman and Martinez

And Raiola is his agent, so he will want his cut as well.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: dunkster on April 10, 2018, 03:20:03 PM
It may well be he's waiting on which manager he will be working with
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Lxxx on April 10, 2018, 03:23:20 PM
It may well be he's waiting on which manager he will be working with

Which is what any sensible person would do. You want to be on the same page as the guy you'll be working close to every day and not in completely different eras like he would be if Sam stayed.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: dunkster on April 10, 2018, 03:28:18 PM
Well yeah so we will have to take the positives out of his comments that others may read into as he's maybe not too keen.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Hawkandro on April 10, 2018, 03:51:36 PM
It may well be he's waiting on which manager he will be working with

Personally, I think he will enjoy working with Neil Warnock.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: dunkster on April 10, 2018, 05:21:06 PM
Quick question.. has Brands discovered many/any players who have gone on to do great things in English football? All very well discovering talent over there.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Hawkandro on April 10, 2018, 05:31:34 PM
Propper, Wijnaldum, Mousa Dembele and Depay are probably the biggest players PSV/AZ sold over here during his time with both clubs... he has 'discovered' and/or signed Strootman, Mertens and Pelle.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: American Evertonian on April 10, 2018, 07:33:14 PM
The clue is in the name, Liverpool echo, they don't give a shiny shite about us

They have their own dedicated Everton beat writers. As a business you want more people reading your articles, so it would be in their best interest to have both Everton and Liverpool being successful.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Hawkandro on April 10, 2018, 07:34:22 PM
They have their own dedicated Everton beat writers. As a business you want more people reading your articles, so it would be in their best interest to have both Everton and Liverpool being successful.

Yeah, you'd think that, wouldn't you?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: American Evertonian on April 10, 2018, 07:36:59 PM
Yeah, you'd think that, wouldn't you?

The writers don't overlap from what I've been able to tell so I hardly think there is an objective of undermining the club.

And as someone mentioned earlier about it being in the name, it's the city paper. What would people rather it be named? 🤷🏼‍♂️
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on April 10, 2018, 07:38:46 PM
Looks lads, there's loads more Liverpool fans in the world. Loads more. It's purely commercial interest that leans the Echo more towards the RS. Makes complete business sense.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Macca77 on April 10, 2018, 07:43:07 PM
They have their own dedicated Everton beat writers. As a business you want more people reading your articles, so it would be in their best interest to have both Everton and Liverpool being successful.

Their own dedicated Everton writers who wouldn't dream of ever saying anything risky about out lovely neighbours, the Liverpool journo's however constantly slag us off, James Pearce is the worst at it
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Lxxx on April 10, 2018, 08:21:59 PM
Looks lads, there's loads more Liverpool fans in the world. Loads more. It's purely commercial interest that leans the Echo more towards the RS. Makes complete business sense.

Some people see an agenda at every turn.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: American Evertonian on April 10, 2018, 10:26:03 PM
Their own dedicated Everton writers who wouldn't dream of ever saying anything risky about out lovely neighbours, the Liverpool journo's however constantly slag us off, James Pearce is the worst at it

I don't read their Liverpool section so I can't really comment on that at all. However, their team is better than ours right now and many of us would take their players (or a majority of them) over ours. Easy to say bad things about us when we are bad and Big Sam is our manager. The stories kind of write themselves.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: dunkster on April 10, 2018, 10:32:02 PM
I don't read their Liverpool section so I can't really comment on that at all. However, their team is better than ours right now and many of us would take their players (or a majority of them) over ours. Easy to say bad things about us when we are bad and Big Sam is our manager. The stories kind of write themselves.

Bit like BT sport concentrating soley on advertising the man city team and not a sniff on everton on our televised game, having shown one of the worst games I've ever seen (Watford v Everton couple weeks beforehand)
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: van der Meyde on April 10, 2018, 11:42:24 PM
Which is what any sensible person would do. You want to be on the same page as the guy you'll be working close to every day and not in completely different eras like he would be if Sam stayed.
If Brands is waiting to find out what manager he'll be working with then we're doing the Director of Football worse than we all thought.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 10, 2018, 11:59:29 PM
Their own dedicated Everton writers who wouldn't dream of ever saying anything risky about out lovely neighbours, the Liverpool journo's however constantly slag us off, James Pearce is the worst at it

He’s my mate on twitter. I insisted on it after I took the piss out of him. He is the fat smug 1 isn’t he
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Ross on April 11, 2018, 12:14:39 AM
If Brands is waiting to find out what manager he'll be working with then we're doing the Director of Football worse than we all thought.

Would it surprise you though?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Hawkandro on April 11, 2018, 02:02:03 PM
You would hope we would have sat down with Brands and said, here are our managerial targets, if you came aboard would you be happy to work with them.

Likewise, any managerial targets would be asked whether they have any issues working under a DoF/Technical Director.

You hope.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Hawkandro on April 11, 2018, 07:33:27 PM
Quick question.. has Brands discovered many/any players who have gone on to do great things in English football? All very well discovering talent over there.

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/mertens-dembele-strootman-players-helped-14511536
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Trowel on April 11, 2018, 07:55:48 PM
"Mertens... Dembele... Strootman..."

"Vardy... Mahrez... Kante..."

"Milligan... Cleese... Everett... Sessions..."
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: sam of the south on April 11, 2018, 08:10:30 PM
"Mertens... Dembele... Strootman..."

"Vardy... Mahrez... Kante..."

"Milligan... Cleese... Everett... Sessions..."

Mid-Sessions


(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/gxUPgMCmtwg/hqdefault.jpg)
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: KingdingalingNL on April 15, 2018, 07:06:42 PM
PSV have now drawn up a shortlist of 3 people to replace Brands ! It looks like it’s on.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Lxxx on April 15, 2018, 08:45:01 PM
PSV have now drawn up a shortlist of 3 people to replace Brands ! It looks like it’s on.

I suppose with the money on offer he can't really afford to turn us down. We're everyone's meal ticket at the minute.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: KingdingalingNL on April 15, 2018, 11:17:01 PM
I suppose with the money on offer he can't really afford to turn us down. We're everyone's meal ticket at the minute.

That’s the good thing about Brands though! He doesn’t care about the money, it has to be the challenge and also if he thinks he will feel at home! He has turned down jobs before to stay were he was, so that is why I would also be happy apart from the footballing side, he is a man with principles.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: blue slug on April 15, 2018, 11:57:34 PM
That’s the good thing about Brands though! He doesn’t care about the money, it has to be the challenge and also if he thinks he will feel at home! He has turned down jobs before to stay were he was, so that is why I would also be happy apart from the footballing side, he is a man with principles.

Something that’s lacking in the modern game dude
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: School of Science on April 16, 2018, 02:07:42 AM
PSV have now drawn up a shortlist of 3 people to replace Brands ! It looks like it’s on.

Is one of them Steve Walsh...( crosses both fingers and toes ).
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Brownie on April 16, 2018, 02:51:59 AM
PSV won the league today then beatingAjax 3-0
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Toffee1 on April 16, 2018, 02:58:49 AM
PSV won the league today then beatingAjax 3-0

Hopefully, that will mean that we will now get a clearer picture of what he intends to do and probably, as a result what the plans are for the club.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Hawkandro on April 16, 2018, 02:43:15 PM
Hopefully get this sorted soon and not let it drag out into another saga.

https://twitter.com/ToffeeTVEFC/status/985576807834546177
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Trowel on April 16, 2018, 03:09:01 PM
 “We are busy preparing for next season. We started doing so at the winter break.”

I dream of us preparing for a transfer window months in advance, rather than minutes before the deadline.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Hawkandro on April 16, 2018, 03:13:36 PM
“We are busy preparing for next season. We started doing so at the winter break.”

I dream of us preparing for a transfer window months in advance, rather than minutes before the deadline.

Steve Walsh has prepared his list of targets for the coming window too:

Jamie Vardy
Marc Albrighton
Robert Huth
Kevin Nolan
Daniel Drinkwater
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Escla on April 16, 2018, 03:14:00 PM
Hopefully, that will mean that we will now get a clearer picture of what he intends to do and probably, as a result what the plans are for the club.

Hope you’re not expecting that anytime soon ? Doubt he’s even coming.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Alanvideo on April 16, 2018, 03:23:14 PM
Hope you’re not expecting that anytime soon ? Doubt he’s even coming.
...................he won't commit himself until we have a new manager , if he comes at all.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Makis on April 16, 2018, 04:06:39 PM
So let's fuck around with this until mid-July at which point it becomes absolutely clear he's not coming. We should also not proceed with a managerial appointment until the DoF is in place. It's much more entertaining when the new guys have about two weeks to figure out what the squad needs and make the deals. Remember that the window closes mid-August this year.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: dunkster on April 16, 2018, 04:35:48 PM
Definately sounds like he ain't coming
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: sam of the south on April 16, 2018, 04:42:50 PM
Hopefully get this sorted soon and not let it drag out into another saga.

https://twitter.com/ToffeeTVEFC/status/985576807834546177

The insuation here is that it would take something special to tempt him away, so at least this will encourage Moshiri to show his ambition by at least binning Allardyce
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Polledreng on April 16, 2018, 04:47:29 PM
The insuation here is that it would take something special to tempt him away, so at least this will encourage Moshiri to show his ambition by at least binning Allardyce
Yeaah My English is far from perfect but I think I know the difference between very difficult and impossible
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Macca77 on April 16, 2018, 05:26:51 PM
Refusing to get excited at his arrival or pissed off when he turns us down.

Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Jamokachi on April 16, 2018, 05:57:30 PM
...................he won't commit himself until we have a new manager , if he comes at all.

I don't think that's the case. A DoF should be directly involved in the targeting and hiring of a manager. So if he is joining, I'd expect him to do so before we get a new manager, or at least announced a new manager.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: kramer0 on April 16, 2018, 06:53:19 PM
Whatever happens, I agree we can’t do the will he/won’t he dance for long.

1. This is the most important role at the club this summer and one that requires planning. We should have had a new director in place already, to be honest.

2. We have a bad habit of spending a long time pursuing targets only to not get the deal over the line, leaving us in a position where we have to make a rash decision (or where we do absolutely nothing at all). Look at the state we’re in now to see how well this has worked out.

If we let this drag out, there’s a serious possibility that Walsh/Allardyce end up running our summer business. Which, no thanks.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on April 16, 2018, 07:51:24 PM
I think we're probably getting him, and it's been agreed, but he seems like quite a classy fella who isn't going to say anything about leaving on the day they clinch the title.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on April 16, 2018, 07:52:34 PM
The DoF and new manager have to be a pair that mesh/fit together.  Otherwise, you are setting up both to fail and wasting more time and money.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Waltzer on April 16, 2018, 07:53:52 PM
I suspect this is all to do with the rumoured deal with Raiola, he is his agent and I expect bigger things than this are happening behind the scenes. Im expecting Moshiri to set up some alliance with him to oversea our summer recruitment plan and as part of that Brands will be pivotal. I wouldnt be surprised if its all done already
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on April 16, 2018, 08:04:05 PM
https://elpivoteftbl.wordpress.com/2018/04/15/the-marcel-brands-files/
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on April 16, 2018, 08:14:58 PM
https://elpivoteftbl.wordpress.com/2018/04/15/the-marcel-brands-files/

Identifying market inefficiencies instead of throwing money at "proven English 'talent'" - FUCK and YES.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on April 16, 2018, 08:37:00 PM
Hmmm...he said ‘no’ when we were in fairly good shape at the end of last season...why would it be any different now we’re on our fucking knees?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on April 16, 2018, 08:47:50 PM
Hmmm...he said ‘no’ when we were in fairly good shape at the end of last season...why would it be any different now we’re on our fucking knees?

More money, more control (ie, select the manager, no Walsh), feels he has accomplished all he can at PSV now, etc.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: colin on April 16, 2018, 09:39:40 PM
Hmmm...he said ‘no’ when we were in fairly good shape at the end of last season...why would it be any different now we’re on our fucking knees?

Maybe he didn't like Koeman?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: TheRam on April 16, 2018, 09:45:30 PM
Hmmm...he said ‘no’ when we were in fairly good shape at the end of last season...why would it be any different now we’re on our fucking knees?

Many reasons.

Maybe he feels like he's taken PSV as far as he can, for one?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: gizzblue on April 16, 2018, 09:56:57 PM
Maybe he didn't like Koeman?

He's sacked Koeman previously in sure I read somewhere .
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on April 16, 2018, 10:12:06 PM
He's sacked Koeman previously in sure I read somewhere .

oh yeah, talk about totes awkward  :D
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Polledreng on April 17, 2018, 12:19:33 AM
He's sacked Koeman previously in sure I read somewhere .
and I Think I read its the only manager he has sacked....
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Lxxx on April 17, 2018, 03:28:41 PM
...................he won't commit himself until we have a new manager , if he comes at all.

Any new manager will report in to him, if we're doing this whole Director of Football approach properly.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Lxxx on April 17, 2018, 03:30:19 PM
Hmmm...he said ‘no’ when we were in fairly good shape at the end of last season...why would it be any different now we’re on our fucking knees?

Why does any person move to a new job? New challenge, new life experience, more money, an opportunity that might not come round again....
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Waltzer on April 17, 2018, 04:54:22 PM
Marcel Brands loves talking about interest in himself and what a difficult step it would be to leave PSV. This is clear, he’s done it several times over the past couple of weeks or so and the leaks to the Dutch media only look like they have one source.

It’s unlikely Chelsea and then Everton both leaked almost identical stories about having interest in Brands to De Telegraaf newspaper a few months ago, and it’s unlikely it came from PSV.

Brands has been flirting with a move to the Premier League for a while, but now it’s seemingly a genuinely opportunity for him, he continues to play a little hard to get.

It’s all quite confusing.

Eindhoven Dagblad report Brands’ future will quickly become ‘clear’, quoting the PSV sporting director as saying: “I’m not going to wait too long and will soon make a decision. The decision has not yet been taken. It is difficult to leave all this behind. At PSV I work with people from whom I know what I have and who I cherish for years.”

Either the whole Everton interest has been talked up, by all involved, and it’s the Goodison Park club who aren’t so sure, with Brands saving face, or the Dutchman is genuinely stringing the English club out, which seems slightly odd.

Either Brands wants to leave PSV, and there was no point in flirting with an exit if he’s not sure, or he doesn’t. This really doesn’t need to become a soap opera.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: dunkster on April 17, 2018, 04:56:13 PM
'A soap opera.. right up Bills street.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Alanvideo on April 17, 2018, 04:57:01 PM
Any new manager will report in to him, if we're doing this whole Director of Football approach properly.
.................but this is Everton. We do things arse about face.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Mick 1995 on April 17, 2018, 05:09:08 PM
.................but this is Everton. We do things arse about face.

Yeah. We appointed Koeman a month before Walsh didn't we?
I suppose that can be brought up during the recruitment process though.

But, i've heard Brands may not be coming in as a DoF anyway. Sure i heard some other title. Techincal Director i think.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Lxxx on April 17, 2018, 05:41:23 PM
Yeah. We appointed Koeman a month before Walsh didn't we?
I suppose that can be brought up during the recruitment process though.

But, i've heard Brands may not be coming in as a DoF anyway. Sure i heard some other title. Techincal Director i think.

Walsh might smell a payout for constructive dismissal if that's deemed as basically doing his job in all but name. On the other hand if he's bright he'll know he isn't going to get paid what he's on now anywhere else in this universe so he'd be as well rolling with it in the hope of continuity of employment with a club supposedly going places.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Hawkandro on April 17, 2018, 06:48:03 PM
Marcel Brands loves talking about interest in himself and what a difficult step it would be to leave PSV. This is clear, he’s done it several times over the past couple of weeks or so and the leaks to the Dutch media only look like they have one source.

It’s unlikely Chelsea and then Everton both leaked almost identical stories about having interest in Brands to De Telegraaf newspaper a few months ago, and it’s unlikely it came from PSV.

Brands has been flirting with a move to the Premier League for a while, but now it’s seemingly a genuinely opportunity for him, he continues to play a little hard to get.

It’s all quite confusing.

Eindhoven Dagblad report Brands’ future will quickly become ‘clear’, quoting the PSV sporting director as saying: “I’m not going to wait too long and will soon make a decision. The decision has not yet been taken. It is difficult to leave all this behind. At PSV I work with people from whom I know what I have and who I cherish for years.”

Either the whole Everton interest has been talked up, by all involved, and it’s the Goodison Park club who aren’t so sure, with Brands saving face, or the Dutchman is genuinely stringing the English club out, which seems slightly odd.

Either Brands wants to leave PSV, and there was no point in flirting with an exit if he’s not sure, or he doesn’t. This really doesn’t need to become a soap opera.

I fully expect this be to dragged out over the summer, leading to another window of upheaval and disruption.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 17, 2018, 07:07:19 PM
Think we’ll get him. We tend to get our way these days..... our problem is we make bad choices
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Brownie on April 17, 2018, 09:06:11 PM
http://sportwitness.co.uk/im-not-going-wait-long-brands-speaks-everton-situation-will-clear-soon/
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: D15TIN on April 17, 2018, 09:29:31 PM
Seems to be joining, judging by his latest comments. Doesn't seem thrilled by it like haha, poor fella.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: American Evertonian on April 17, 2018, 10:04:13 PM
I think he will come. Wasn't it Myers that said that after they won the championship that he would make his intent and decision known?

I expect him to be signed on by this time next month (or at least confirmed that he will join after this season).
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Hawkandro on April 17, 2018, 10:18:03 PM
Seems to be joining, judging by his latest comments. Doesn't seem thrilled by it like haha, poor fella.

Which comments are these?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Ross on April 17, 2018, 10:23:54 PM
Think we may be getting the run around again by Raiola and this may all be about leveraging some longstanding interest from Chelsea.

Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: D15TIN on April 17, 2018, 10:33:04 PM
Which comments are these?
"I’m not going to wait too long and will soon make a decision. The decision has not yet been taken. It is difficult to leave all this behind. At PSV I work with people from whom I know what I have and who I cherish for years.”

To me that sounds like a goodbye
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Cereal Killer on April 17, 2018, 10:38:55 PM
"I’m not going to wait too long and will soon make a decision. The decision has not yet been taken. It is difficult to leave all this behind. At PSV I work with people from whom I know what I have and who I cherish for years.”

To me that sounds like a goodbye

More like 'I've been made an offer but it isn't that good really'
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Hawkandro on April 17, 2018, 10:39:14 PM
"I’m not going to wait too long and will soon make a decision. The decision has not yet been taken. It is difficult to leave all this behind. At PSV I work with people from whom I know what I have and who I cherish for years.”

To me that sounds like a goodbye

Thanks. Sounds like a demand for another 0 or two on the end of the last offer.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: D15TIN on April 17, 2018, 10:40:22 PM
Thanks. Sounds like a demand for another 0 or two on the end of the last offer.
Which we'll probably give him like
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on April 17, 2018, 10:40:37 PM
He's just being tactful and respectful to his employers, colleagues and friends. If anything, I'm pleased to hear that he's not a complete cunt.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Paddockoldie on April 17, 2018, 11:49:32 PM
Think we may be getting the run around again by Raiola and this may all be about leveraging some longstanding interest from Chelsea.



I reckon he's 99.9% gonna sign. When has that % ever been wrong eh? Just sit back now and wait and wait, then wait a bit longer. Then he'll move to Bayern.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Waltzer on April 18, 2018, 02:54:21 PM
Im always slightly sceptical as to what this will actually he achieve, especially in the short term? He has confirmed he has circa 90 people working for him so its certainly not a 1 man band, granted he may have recruited all of these and got them doing what he want, but I think if this does come off the benefits might be 5/10 years down the line?
He will have an idea of players he wants/likes but was it him that initially identified them or one of the 90 working for him?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Lxxx on April 18, 2018, 02:58:47 PM
Im always slightly sceptical as to what this will actually he achieve, especially in the short term? He has confirmed he has circa 90 people working for him so its certainly not a 1 man band, granted he may have recruited all of these and got them doing what he want, but I think if this does come off the benefits might be 5/10 years down the line?
He will have an idea of players he wants/likes but was it him that initially identified them or one of the 90 working for him?

We’ve spent the past few years looking short term and we’ve regressed. Now is the time to put a long term plan in place, even if it’s at the expense of short term gain. Which I don’t actually think it will be.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: dunkster on April 18, 2018, 03:19:27 PM
Just not really sure what this guy is angling  for with his kinda cryptic 'I may stay I may go stuff. Either waiting to see what manager we are getting (But surely he needs to be hired to be involved in that process), or he wants to get more money out of us (from what he's probably  been offered). Or he wants psv to give him more money to stay or he's waiting/putting himself out there for other offers.
Either way, I'm hoping he doesn't drag it out for weeks. Be a good signal of intent to get this sorted soon.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Waltzer on April 18, 2018, 03:58:17 PM
We’ve spent the past few years looking short term and we’ve regressed. Now is the time to put a long term plan in place, even if it’s at the expense of short term gain. Which I don’t actually think it will be.

I hope your right, but my worry is that if it is a long term appointment we dont seem that committed to sticking to the game plan
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: sam of the south on April 18, 2018, 06:37:07 PM
I hope your right, but my worry is that if it is a long term appointment we dont seem that committed to sticking to the game plan

But if that gameplan is going wrong (Martinez, Koeman, Walsh) are you suggesting we just stick with it just because it was initially intended to be a long-term solution?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Lxxx on April 18, 2018, 06:54:48 PM
I hope your right, but my worry is that if it is a long term appointment we dont seem that committed to sticking to the game plan

First couple of years are going to bring teething problems when you change ownership and have a divided board. I think Moshiri meant well but he flew out the blocks hoping to make a statement and in the end made a complete mess of it and panicked to preserve his investment. Hopefully someone will have told him to calm down and build a sustainable strategy, as is the case in every other industry, rather than trying to get from A to C without going through B first.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Nicco on April 18, 2018, 10:39:28 PM
Just not really sure what this guy is angling  for with his kinda cryptic 'I may stay I may go stuff. Either waiting to see what manager we are getting (But surely he needs to be hired to be involved in that process), or he wants to get more money out of us (from what he's probably  been offered). Or he wants psv to give him more money to stay or he's waiting/putting himself out there for other offers.
Either way, I'm hoping he doesn't drag it out for weeks. Be a good signal of intent to get this sorted soon.
He might be a fan of the Clash?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Waltzer on April 18, 2018, 10:58:53 PM
But if that gameplan is going wrong (Martinez, Koeman, Walsh) are you suggesting we just stick with it just because it was initially intended to be a long-term solution?
To some extend yes, I think clubs are far to willing to press the panic button. Who knows if we stuck with Martinez or Koeman where we'd be? We could have a really cohesive unit, thats been together for a while and really progressed or developed, or we could have been relegated, or we could have a relegation long ball merchant in charge? Consistency is a massive part of most success teams and a clear ownership structure and strategy should take into account ups and downs, its expected, but to keep replacing people at the first sign of trouble strikes me that people dont have a clear vision. That said I do want Walsh out!! :)
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 18, 2018, 11:09:15 PM
To some extend yes, I think clubs are far to willing to press the panic button. Who knows if we stuck with Martinez or Koeman where we'd be? We could have a really cohesive unit, thats been together for a while and really progressed or developed, or we could have been relegated, or we could have a relegation long ball merchant in charge? Consistency is a massive part of most success teams and a clear ownership structure and strategy should take into account ups and downs, its expected, but to keep replacing people at the first sign of trouble strikes me that people dont have a clear vision. That said I do want Walsh out!! :)

Championship with Martinez. You only had to read 1 of his interviews to know he'd completely lost the plot

Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: sam of the south on April 19, 2018, 01:28:33 AM
To some extend yes, I think clubs are far to willing to press the panic button. Who knows if we stuck with Martinez or Koeman where we'd be? We could have a really cohesive unit, thats been together for a while and really progressed or developed, or we could have been relegated, or we could have a relegation long ball merchant in charge? Consistency is a massive part of most success teams and a clear ownership structure and strategy should take into account ups and downs, its expected, but to keep replacing people at the first sign of trouble strikes me that people dont have a clear vision. That said I do want Walsh out!! :)

Martinez: relegated within two more seasons I reckon, certainly no progression on the cards.

Koeman: relegation battle for sure, possibly making it to the heady heights of 15th.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Paddockoldie on April 19, 2018, 02:17:02 AM
Martinez was sinking and showed no insight in to his weaknesses. If he'd have had a wobbly second season but recovered for the third I'd have been okay but we were getting worse. He'd have taken us down I think.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Hawkandro on April 19, 2018, 02:24:26 PM
Yeah, we would have definitely been relegated with Martinez in charge for another year or two.

I think we may have had a better season with Koeman if those first 6 PL fixtures weren't so tough. If we had have had another 5 or 6 games like the Stoke one, maybe the new players would have been given more of a chance. Who knows, but I do wonder.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Lxxx on April 19, 2018, 03:01:31 PM
Yeah, we would have definitely been relegated with Martinez in charge for another year or two.

I think we may have had a better season with Koeman if those first 6 PL fixtures weren't so tough. If we had have had another 5 or 6 games like the Stoke one, maybe the new players would have been given more of a chance. Who knows, but I do wonder.

Nah, we fucked the summer recruitment. Even playing against lesser sides we’d have struggled scoring with no striker and defending with Williams, Cuco, Keane and Kenny. Koeman was on a hiding to nothing, part of it his own making but most managers would have struggled with what we had.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: GLewis on April 19, 2018, 06:25:31 PM
Nah, we fucked the summer recruitment. Even playing against lesser sides we’d have struggled scoring with no striker and defending with Williams, Cuco, Keane and Kenny. Koeman was on a hiding to nothing, part of it his own making but most managers would have struggled with what we had.

I think it’s fair to assume that had we had easier games first up then improved confidence levels and trust in the new players would have made the tougher games less daunting when they came around.

As it was getting stuffed 3 games in a week confirmed everyone’s worries and left little room for patience.

It wouldn’t have made a huge difference but we wouldn’t have had issues of upheaval and the current nothingness and uncertainty that we have now.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: dunkster on April 19, 2018, 10:21:06 PM
Sam basking in the 'ive done better than koeman and unsworth' thing. Not acknowledging that they newer had Baines or Coleman available or the long awaited striker that came in January or even Walcott down the flanks
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Lxxx on April 20, 2018, 12:36:16 AM
I think it’s fair to assume that had we had easier games first up then improved confidence levels and trust in the new players would have made the tougher games less daunting when they came around.

As it was getting stuffed 3 games in a week confirmed everyone’s worries and left little room for patience.

It wouldn’t have made a huge difference but we wouldn’t have had issues of upheaval and the current nothingness and uncertainty that we have now.

The whole squad was over the place. I get what you’re saying in theory but in practice if we’d encountered Burnley for example we’d have been equally clueless to break them down or someone like Leicester with Vardy and Mahrez would have ran that defence ragged.
We were all over the place start of the season, there was no hiding the lack of quality or cohesion right through the team.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: pjk on April 22, 2018, 04:19:37 PM
Marcel Brands confirms. A good move by Everton. Let the Raiola hate train roll! ;D




https://twitter.com/stevie1919/status/987982068956229633
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Paddockoldie on April 22, 2018, 04:33:36 PM
If true this is a good start. The cherry would be SA going on Tuesday morning.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: BlueForYou on April 22, 2018, 04:40:31 PM
Forward thinking and a step in the right direction
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Brownie on April 22, 2018, 04:55:01 PM
Nothing other than a couple of paragraphs from the Mirror that appear to be a rehash of previous interviews being reported by HITC. I'll wait before popping the champagne
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: sam of the south on April 22, 2018, 05:00:36 PM
Nothing other than a couple of paragraphs from the Mirror that appear to be a rehash of previous interviews being reported by HITC. I'll wait before popping the champagne

Yeah, he confirms that Everton have MADE a move for him in 2016, but not that he has actually agreed to come to us
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: TheRam on April 22, 2018, 05:15:08 PM
Says he wants to bring Lozano here.

Oh my
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: pjk on April 22, 2018, 05:31:16 PM
https://twitter.com/stevie1919/status/987995498064875520
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: dunkster on April 22, 2018, 05:35:46 PM
Be nice to get the ball rolling. Hopefully coincides with the big meeting and fat twat being shown the door
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Lxxx on April 22, 2018, 06:32:10 PM
Says he wants to bring Lozano here.

Oh my

Bye bye Bolasie then.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: sam of the south on April 22, 2018, 06:52:30 PM
https://twitter.com/stevie1919/status/987995498064875520

I’d love it to be true, but I’ve never known that lad to be itk
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: pjk on April 22, 2018, 06:59:25 PM
I think there's something in this, personally, I'm almost convinced. I thought Allardyce might manage to hang on for his decent signings, but if he leaves, the new director of football teamed with Raiola can't really fail in the signing players stakes. No longer a need for Allardyce. That's what it say's to me. :)
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Cozzie on April 22, 2018, 07:09:43 PM
Says he wants to bring Lozano here.

Oh my

I remember thinking when we where linked with Brands what players from PSV he could bring with him. Lozano was top of my list. Would love him here.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Macca77 on April 22, 2018, 07:22:14 PM
Nah, refuse to get excited about us potentially bringing another dof in
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on April 22, 2018, 07:51:58 PM
If true, I'm excited as fuck. It means Allardyce is almost certainly off, and it also means that we're doing things the right way round, with the new DoF hopefully having a say in the new manager. Also should in theory mean that Brands will be doing a full assessment of the squad nice and early, to identify people who will be coming and going.

Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Macca77 on April 22, 2018, 07:54:13 PM
If true, I'm excited as fuck. It means Allardyce is almost certainly off, and it also means that we're doing things the right way round, with the new DoF hopefully having a say in the new manager. Also should in theory mean that Brands will be doing a full assessment of the squad nice and early, to identify people who will be coming and going.



Fucking hope so!
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: bogie on April 22, 2018, 08:08:30 PM
Bye bye Bolasie then.

hope he is gone even if we sign no one there
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: sam of the south on April 22, 2018, 08:27:17 PM
If true, I'm excited as fuck. It means Allardyce is almost certainly off, and it also means that we're doing things the right way round, with the new DoF hopefully having a say in the new manager. Also should in theory mean that Brands will be doing a full assessment of the squad nice and early, to identify people who will be coming and going.




Fuck!

I told myself I wouldn’t allow myself to get turned on by Everton again, because she’s an aloof, cold mistress, but fuck it, my kecks are off, and I’m lubed and biting the pillow in anticipation 😫
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: eugene on April 22, 2018, 10:18:34 PM

Fuck!

I told myself I wouldn't allow myself to get turned on by Everton again, because she's an aloof, cold mistress, but fuck it, my kecks are off, and I'm lubed and biting the pillow in anticipation
Easy tiger haven’t had my fuckin dinner yet and there’s you lubbed
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Mick 1995 on April 22, 2018, 11:19:50 PM
If true, I'm excited as fuck. It means Allardyce is almost certainly off, and it also means that we're doing things the right way round, with the new DoF hopefully having a say in the new manager. Also should in theory mean that Brands will be doing a full assessment of the squad nice and early, to identify people who will be coming and going.



Which will be all the more important this year due to the world cup and England being the only country in Europe to have brought the transfer window closure forward a couple of weeks.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: stirlingblue on April 22, 2018, 11:36:23 PM
Which will be all the more important this year due to the world cup and England being the only country in Europe to have brought the transfer window closure forward a couple of weeks.

Yeah, that’s going to be a nightmare for any English clubs selling players this summer.

It’s one of the blessings in disguise of such a shit year, we have no talent that anybody will be wanting to buy
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: blargins on April 23, 2018, 12:47:23 AM
Didn't know they'd moved the window. Although it was "enjoyable" having it the end of August, it really didn't make sense given the season started a few weeks before. And it means that when the season ends, it's only a few days before the window opens again. That should be how it works anyway if they're using a window system. Makes logical sense captain.

If there's a winter break as well, then that's when the window should be open again.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Fynci on April 23, 2018, 12:52:27 AM
Says he wants to bring Lozano here.

Oh my

....and Ziyech from Ajax.

Just scoured the Dutch press but can't find any new news yet, although the PSV forum seem fairly convinced it's happening. They are worried that they'll only get something like 30m for Lozano, but want 70m+ for him.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Fynci on April 23, 2018, 12:56:27 AM
I'm guessing he was talking about these two in particular:

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/hirving-lozano/profil/spieler/316889


https://www.transfermarkt.com/santiago-arias/profil/spieler/120443






Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Ross on April 23, 2018, 01:15:22 AM
....and Ziyech from Ajax.

Just scoured the Dutch press but can't find any new news yet, although the PSV forum seem fairly convinced it's happening. They are worried that they'll only get something like 30m for Lozano, but want 70m+ for him.

70m for a player from the Dutch league?

They’re clearly enjoying the liberal drug laws a bit to much.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: phillyt on April 23, 2018, 01:38:10 AM
Didn't know they'd moved the window. Although it was "enjoyable" having it the end of August, it really didn't make sense given the season started a few weeks before. And it means that when the season ends, it's only a few days before the window opens again. That should be how it works anyway if they're using a window system. Makes logical sense captain.

If there's a winter break as well, then that's when the window should be open again.
I disagree on this. I think the month at the start of the season is key to assessing your strengths/weaknesses. Do you need to buy again, can you afford to sell and get a half decent replacement. Assess your targets/find alternatives.
I think it’s utterly ridiculous to restrict our own transfer market while other European leagues don’t. Much like VAR technology,which there was a clamour for,  this buffoonery will last one season only to be abandoned as the clubs in European competition realise what a handicap it is to them.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: toffee_scot on April 23, 2018, 01:52:23 AM
Sounds promising, I just hope if we do bring him in then that means Steve Walsh will depart.

My worst nightmare is that Moshiri is actually trying to shoehorn Brands into some role alongside Walsh.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Lxxx on April 23, 2018, 01:55:10 AM
Does seem a bit silly to bring forward the transfer window in a World Cup year. Common sense would have it start next summer instead.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Mick 1995 on April 23, 2018, 03:01:25 AM
I agree with Blarg that the transfer window should coincide with lack of football. For all the advantages the current system holds for squad building, it's one of the main reasons prices became so high - panic buying when things look to have gone to shit.
This will create a more cautious approach and ensure some teams don't just throw money at a perceived problem (and, vicariously, add to the possibility of kids getting game time due to lack of alternative options).

However, shooting our load first and hoping everybody else follows us puts our European contingent at a disadvantage unless/until everybody else joins in.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: blueToffee on April 23, 2018, 03:36:48 AM
I don't think they need a longer window. I'm sure whether the window is open or not agents and clubs are very aware of options and who wants to go where etc. The past transfer window there seemed like weeks where nothing much happened after a flurry at the start and end.

I'd argue the window should actually be really short like 4 weeks or so. Cut it down and stop the procrastination. Focus the minds of the players, clubs and agents then let them go on holiday, etc.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: brap2 on April 23, 2018, 09:23:10 AM
I like the sound of it, but brands work has all been buy low sell high. Our philosophy recently has very much been buy high, give high wages, lose on a cheap, don’t build a working squad.

Hopefully will be a mix of the two, buying low but with the purse strings relaxed.

I absolutely refuse to believe we’ll get anywhere near ziyech or Lozano, but there’s about 5-6 young players in that league who are primed for CL level breakout seasons, they are two of them for sure and would definitely up our ‘game changer’ quota.

        Sigurdsson

Ziyech  Tosun  Lozano

Well that doesn’t look bad does it...
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Ramjam on April 23, 2018, 09:58:07 AM
I honestly don’t think Tuson will be here in 12 months time, I can’t see him linking the play nor scoring enough goals, hope I’m wrong but we’ll have to wait and see.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: blue1948 on April 23, 2018, 12:07:09 PM
I honestly don’t think Tuson will be here in 12 months time, I can’t see him linking the play nor scoring enough goals, hope I’m wrong but we’ll have to wait and see.
Going by reports from USM they all say he is a finisher ,a great finisher but he has had no service so wherever that comment comes from I cannot agree.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: bluenuck on April 23, 2018, 12:24:37 PM
Excited about the news of brands maybe joining us. Seems like a good choice for dof.

But, and maybe I'm just a little tainted by the last few seasons, it doesn't really matter who we bring in, or how good they are if we don't give one man the responsibility of building this team. If we have 2-3 people buying players and having their hands in the cookie jar nothing will get fixed. It doesn't matter how good they are at their job. It won't work.

One man. One man has to have the responsibility. One man has to have the final say in everything. None of this agreeing shit that Walsh and Koeman had. One vision.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: brap2 on April 23, 2018, 01:29:55 PM
I honestly don’t think Tuson will be here in 12 months time, I can’t see him linking the play nor scoring enough goals, hope I’m wrong but we’ll have to wait and see.

Still question marks for me as well, as there should after so few minutes, but being absolutely honest - I would not judge any of our new signings until this absolute stinker of a season is behind us, and we can see what some of these guys are like with a half-functioning side around them.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: GLewis on April 23, 2018, 01:40:33 PM
I like the sound of it, but brands work has all been buy low sell high. Our philosophy recently has very much been buy high, give high wages, lose on a cheap, don’t build a working squad.

Hopefully will be a mix of the two, buying low but with the purse strings relaxed.

I absolutely refuse to believe we’ll get anywhere near ziyech or Lozano, but there’s about 5-6 young players in that league who are primed for CL level breakout seasons, they are two of them for sure and would definitely up our ‘game changer’ quota.

        Sigurdsson

Ziyech  Tosun  Lozano

Well that doesn’t look bad does it...

Yes I was thinking about the model that he’s currently used to.

I suppose a positive can be taken from at PSV you don’t just have a money generating brief, you have to provide players who win too.

Plus by Dutch standards they do have money, so it’ll be about scaling it up a bit.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Ramjam on April 23, 2018, 03:04:12 PM
Going by reports from USM they all say he is a finisher ,a great finisher but he has had no service so wherever that comment comes from I cannot agree.
Fair enough, I’m judging him on what I’ve seen so far and Ive got my doubts, perhaps with a better manager and coaching staff as well as better players/providers he will kick on, here’s hoping
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Lxxx on April 23, 2018, 03:30:32 PM
If he'd like to keep his links with PSV there's always the chance some of our talented youngsters could go there to learn a different way of playing football playing for a big club with pressure. Lookman is showing that time abroad picking up invaluable experience playing in a different style and picking up minutes at a high level should stand him in good stead when he comes back. Someone like Dowell or Kenny might benefit also.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Macca77 on April 23, 2018, 03:45:31 PM
This been confirmed yet then?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: plumber on April 23, 2018, 04:08:49 PM
This been confirmed yet then?

Yes, some random blokes have confirmed it on Twitter. There were also a few vague hints in Mirror, so it's safe to say the deal is done and dusted.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Lxxx on April 23, 2018, 05:04:01 PM
This been confirmed yet then?

There's enough noise to think its in the works but waiting for the right time to release it. On the same day as Allardyce and Walsh leaving might be a good one. Sort of burying good news with even better news. 
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Ross on April 23, 2018, 05:58:51 PM
Excited about the news of brands maybe joining us. Seems like a good choice for dof.

But, and maybe I'm just a little tainted by the last few seasons, it doesn't really matter who we bring in, or how good they are if we don't give one man the responsibility of building this team. If we have 2-3 people buying players and having their hands in the cookie jar nothing will get fixed. It doesn't matter how good they are at their job. It won't work.

One man. One man has to have the responsibility. One man has to have the final say in everything. None of this agreeing shit that Walsh and Koeman had. One vision.

Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Cozzie on April 23, 2018, 08:43:45 PM
That WRD fella on TEF reckons Walsh is as good as gone.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Jimmywhack on April 23, 2018, 08:51:04 PM
That WRD fella on TEF reckons Walsh is as good as gone.
Says there will be more to follow
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Cozzie on April 23, 2018, 08:52:56 PM
Says there will be more to follow

Hopefully Allerdyce as well, to be announced before the game tonight, one can hope.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Macca77 on April 23, 2018, 09:13:42 PM
Says there will be more to follow

It's inevitable, Walsh goes, then his mate Allardyce follows
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: BlueMaquis on April 23, 2018, 09:26:36 PM
What do WRD and TEF mean?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Cereal Killer on April 23, 2018, 09:29:56 PM
Says there will be more to follow

Lee and Shakespeare?

Hardly putting his neck out for anything requiring inside knowledge
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Hawkandro on April 23, 2018, 09:33:36 PM
What do WRD and TEF mean?

WRD = William Ralph Dean (a username)
TEF = The Everton Forum (a place where oddballs who support a football team can argue amongst each other. It'll not catch on)
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Lxxx on April 23, 2018, 09:54:59 PM
Hopefully Allerdyce as well, to be announced before the game tonight, one can hope.

Be nice if they announced us parting company at half-time. In true Everton style.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: TheRam on April 23, 2018, 10:02:01 PM
Be nice if they announced us parting company at half-time. In true Everton style.

And did a price is right type thing and got someone from the crowd to manage the team for the second half.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: pjk on April 23, 2018, 10:05:26 PM
More from Twitter. The rumours aren't going away. :)




https://twitter.com/SportsPeteO/status/988402488893165568
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Fynci on April 23, 2018, 10:28:02 PM
This is the one time I think it is okay for us to announce the signing during a game. Ideally tonight along with Sam being given the boot.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: blueToffee on April 23, 2018, 10:33:27 PM
More from Twitter. The rumours aren't going away. :)




https://twitter.com/SportsPeteO/status/988402488893165568

I think the rumours are all coming from the same source.

Waiting on someone credible still.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on April 23, 2018, 10:35:03 PM
The best part is I am 99% sure Brands wouldn't be coming if he didn't have a free hand to clean house and run things his way.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Cozzie on April 23, 2018, 10:36:33 PM
Be nice if they announced us parting company at half-time. In true Everton style.

Imagine Sams face if that was the case.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Toffee1 on April 23, 2018, 10:37:55 PM
Imagine Sams face if that was the case.

The post match interview would be interesting.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: dunkster on April 23, 2018, 10:39:24 PM
I think sam will already know if hes getting fucked off tbh.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Goaljira on April 23, 2018, 11:11:32 PM
And did a price is right type thing and got someone from the crowd to manage the team for the second half.

Half Time
"Steve Jones sat in F146, TB3......Come on down!"

Steve makes it down from the Top Balcony to the bench just as the 4th official holds up the  added time board at the end of the second half.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Fynci on April 23, 2018, 11:31:46 PM
The post match interview would be interesting.

He'll blame marketing again.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: dunkster on April 24, 2018, 06:08:13 PM
Haven't really seen anything else about him joining. (No denial either mind you)..

"Hi Fahrad it's Marcel. I know I told you I was open to joining you as technical director to get the club moving forwards but I watched the Newcastle game last night and realised..I'm not a fuckin magician !!...I'm out"
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: School of Science on April 24, 2018, 07:47:02 PM
Haven't really seen anything else about him joining. (No denial either mind you)..

"Hi Fahrad it's Marcel. I know I told you I was open to joining you as technical director to get the club moving forwards but I watched the Newcastle game last night and realised..I'm not a fuckin magician !!...I'm out"

C'mon mate easiest job in football atm, all's he has to do is get us to have two shots on target and he's improved us by 100%.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: dunkster on April 24, 2018, 08:21:26 PM
C'mon mate easiest job in football atm, all's he has to do is get us to have two shots on target and he's improved us by 100%.
He could get us aguero and Ronaldo but we still wouldn't get more than one shot away with fat twat in charge.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: dunkster on April 24, 2018, 08:22:31 PM
Oh. I just added to your actual post..bottom bit was my response
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: kramer0 on April 24, 2018, 09:22:03 PM
I imagine a prospective technical director would watch our recent performances and think "this team is absolutely nothing and can be molded into whatever I want." Which should be an exciting prospect given the resources we have.

They should be more worried about the likes of Moshiri and Kenwright (and maybe some of the longer-serving members of the coaching staff) meddling in their responsibilities than anything else.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: dunkster on April 24, 2018, 09:34:07 PM
I think he needs to be totally in tune with the manager and what the two of them hope to achieve/get out of the players together.
Here lies the problem, with old fart head allardyce on the scene. I can't see how a person like Brands who tends to discover young, cheap, players with  potential possibly fits into SA way of playing. He'll go out and discover the Lookmans of the world only for Sam to say they aren't ready and he can't possibly risk playing them as HE'S the one who gets it in the neck if we lose.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bluebridge on April 24, 2018, 09:40:02 PM
I think he needs to be totally in tune with the manager and what the two of them hope to achieve/get out of the players together.
Here lies the problem, with old fart head allardyce on the scene. I can't see how a person like Brands who tends to discover young, cheap, players with  potential possibly fits into SA way of playing. He'll go out and discover the Lookmans of the world only for Sam to say they aren't ready and he can't possibly risk playing them as HE'S the one who gets it in the neck if we lose.
Dont worry, Allardyce will not be on the scene.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: dunkster on April 24, 2018, 09:42:50 PM
90% of me agrees with you...The 'Everton' part of me says the twat will stay.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: dunkster on April 24, 2018, 09:44:12 PM
But in all honesty I don't think Brands would have joined knowing SA was staying. Hence why he was on the fence about coming or staying at psv.
That's my hope
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: everton1952 on April 24, 2018, 09:46:02 PM
When the new manager comes in after Sam, say early May, he cannot possibly know all about all of our players. If the present coaching staff disappear with Sam, who advises the new man on for example whether Rooney should get another season or whether maybe as many as 6 or 7 others including a few in the current 1st team squad are not good enough for the PL?

Could we be condemned to wait until say October before he is personally able to judge how deficient some of our players are? In other words there may be almost nil clearout this close season. Could Ferguson advise or is he gone as well when the new man comes in?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Lxxx on April 24, 2018, 09:47:21 PM
He'll not want to come here and be told to work with a dinosaur who thinks team selection should be based on how much you cost in transfer fee rather than ability.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: dunkster on April 24, 2018, 10:02:48 PM
Tosun is a classic example of the player bought for a lot of money after months of crying out for a striker who SA refused to play for ages. Giving every excuse under the sun. Too slow, prem is too physical, doesn't like the cold, he's foreign so it'll take 12 months before he'll adjust.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: dunkster on April 24, 2018, 10:04:54 PM
I might be wrong but I think Brands is more likely to look abroad for players than Walsh. so SA would be pulling his hair out when a Spanish 20 year old gets drafted in.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: gizzblue on April 24, 2018, 11:06:00 PM
We need to get the man in now ....get rid of the dinosaurs Sam and Sammy also Shakespeare ....Give brands what he wants who he wants and before the summer.too to stand anychance of a forward move .
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: penguinofdoom1878 on April 24, 2018, 11:24:52 PM
Has Brands actually joined yet or are we getting excited about something which might not happen?



Ive no problem with this, getting our hopes up to be disappointed is what supporting Everton is all about
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: BlueForYou on April 24, 2018, 11:30:48 PM
Stay excited - pretty much confirmed for a Brands new start
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on April 24, 2018, 11:44:39 PM
Stay excited - pretty much confirmed for a Brands new start

(https://media.giphy.com/media/JvKiskVTqzgk0/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: BlueForYou on April 24, 2018, 11:50:10 PM
Like it, Audrey

Always got that reaction in night clubs!

Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: themilkycoffees on April 25, 2018, 07:51:45 PM
Bring Lozano with you, Marcel.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Hawkandro on April 25, 2018, 08:04:25 PM
Bring Lozano with you, Marcel.

Yeah, Marcel; bring Lozano with you, you shit.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Cereal Killer on April 25, 2018, 08:14:03 PM
Yeah, Marcel; bring Lozano with you, you shit.

He's not brining Lozano?!

Brands out!!
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: themilkycoffees on April 25, 2018, 08:15:13 PM
Yeah, Marcel; bring Lozano with you, you shit.

I'm addressing him directly. I hope he's reading this forum  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Paddockoldie on April 25, 2018, 11:37:10 PM
Yeah, Marcel; bring Lozano with you, you shit.

He's smelling your cheese as we speak
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Ridge on April 26, 2018, 03:57:51 AM
Rather underwhelmed by his potential appointment, his record is good for Dutch league. But I can't help but feel he has that magic ingredient of looking good on paper, like most our acquisitions in last couple of years.

The South Americans he's signed, wouldn't have got a work permit in the UK, which is why they ended up in the Dutch league. If they can get a work permit, then the better calibre of players are likely to have teams above us in race.

Raiola could be a handy friend, but if he has exceptional players, they would likely go to United first.

Just seems another bizarre appointment to me.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Hawkandro on April 26, 2018, 02:02:18 PM
Rather underwhelmed by his potential appointment, his record is good for Dutch league. But I can't help but feel he has that magic ingredient of looking good on paper, like most our acquisitions in last couple of years.

The South Americans he's signed, wouldn't have got a work permit in the UK, which is why they ended up in the Dutch league. If they can get a work permit, then the better calibre of players are likely to have teams above us in race.

Raiola could be a handy friend, but if he has exceptional players, they would likely go to United first.

Just seems another bizarre appointment to me.

Re: Raiola, we could in effect sign his players and insert big release clauses/sell-on fees for down the line.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: dunkster on April 26, 2018, 03:05:16 PM
http://sportwitness.co.uk/marcel-brands-everton/

Says he's a week away from making up his mind.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Hawkandro on April 26, 2018, 03:10:23 PM
Take your time, Marcel. It's not like we need to know anytime soon.

The speed we wrap up deals, I expect this to be completed by September 27th.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Escla on April 26, 2018, 03:28:17 PM
http://sportwitness.co.uk/marcel-brands-everton/

Says he's a week away from making up his mind.

Can’t blame him though can you, clearly wants to know if they or going to sack Allardyce or not, if not then clearly he won’t come to us.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Lincs Toffee on April 26, 2018, 03:31:25 PM
http://sportwitness.co.uk/marcel-brands-everton/

Says he's a week away from making up his mind.
99% sure then !
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Alanvideo on April 26, 2018, 03:33:11 PM
http://sportwitness.co.uk/marcel-brands-everton/

Says he's a week away from making up his mind.
.....................clutching at straws here but he says ' within a week ' which sounds a bit more hopeful . Could be today . Or not.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: brap2 on April 26, 2018, 03:33:21 PM
Re: Raiola, we could in effect sign his players and insert big release clauses/sell-on fees for down the line.

Raiola would be a bad move, long term wise.

Your scouting network effectively becomes - what players does raiola see fit to give us?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Ramjam on April 26, 2018, 03:35:34 PM
We really do struggle to sign anyone with caliber these days
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: TheRam on April 26, 2018, 03:46:59 PM
Raiola would be a bad move, long term wise.

Your scouting network effectively becomes - what players does raiola see fit to give us?

It's a policy that works though.

I'm happy with him using us as a stepping stone for good young talent.

Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 26, 2018, 03:52:06 PM
Can’t blame him though can you, clearly wants to know if they or going to sack Allardyce or not, if not then clearly he won’t come to us.

Clearly 🙄
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Hawkandro on April 26, 2018, 03:52:37 PM
I don't imagine it will exclusively be Raiola signings, but if we could tap into his contacts and networks, then why not see what we can mine from it?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 26, 2018, 03:54:01 PM
It's a policy that works though.

I'm happy with him using us as a stepping stone for good young talent.



Absolutely what we need to be selling ourselves as. Top young players who the big sides would have sat on their bench. Come play for us. We’ll play you. Have release clause that will make us a bit and allow them to get their move.
We could make a lot of money doing it and build a good team too.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Hawkandro on April 26, 2018, 03:56:25 PM
It's the only real way forward for us, if you ask me.

We're not going to be able to compete with signings the Top 4 make, so you go for the next level down, the players under 23 who are going to be ready to make the next step up. Fed up of us wasting money on 29 year olds with little to no re-sale value and bodies that are not getting any younger.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Lxxx on April 26, 2018, 04:00:59 PM
Absolutely what we need to be selling ourselves as. Top young players who the big sides would have sat on their bench. Come play for us. We’ll play you. Have release clause that will make us a bit and allow them to get their move.
We could make a lot of money doing it and build a good team too.

Makes perfect sense for a club our size and of our standing. You'd have players wanting to come to us for footballing reasons instead of players past their best who see us as a wealthy retirement home.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 26, 2018, 04:24:53 PM
Makes perfect sense for a club our size and of our standing. You'd have players wanting to come to us for footballing reasons instead of players past their best who see us as a wealthy retirement home.

And as much as it would pain us to lose players on the cheap when they go to the bigger sides we’d still be making decent profits and the reality would be they’d only come because of this deal. We could build an exciting young team and be a desirable place for the best young players to come and actually play

We have to market ourselves as something different. It’s impossible to bridge the gap by just having our pick of available players the better sides have no interest in
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Lxxx on April 26, 2018, 04:28:21 PM
And as much as it would pain us to lose players on the cheap when they go to the bigger sides we’d still be making decent profits and the reality would be they’d only come because of this deal. We could build an exciting young team and be a desirable place for the best young players to come and actually play

We have to market ourselves as something different. It’s impossible to bridge the gap by just having our pick of available players the better sides have no interest in

....and paying them over inflated salaries to tempt them here. We have a higher wage bill than Tottenham despite having far inferior players and being behind them on every footballing metric you wish to use.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 26, 2018, 04:41:36 PM
....and paying them over inflated salaries to tempt them here. We have a higher wage bill than Tottenham despite having far inferior players and being behind them on every footballing metric you wish to use.

Our transfer policy has been ridiculous. We seem to have gone for proven but a little short at great cost or punts at under 18 level which is always a bit of a lottery and completely missed the gap in the middle that's the only real way we have any chance of competing
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: dunkster on April 26, 2018, 05:03:10 PM
Wonder how Brands would feel about Raiola making transfer decisions as well though
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Brownie on April 26, 2018, 05:12:32 PM
Wonder how Brands would feel about Raiola making transfer decisions as well though

He's just signed with him hasn't he?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Hawkandro on April 26, 2018, 05:14:47 PM
He's just signed with him hasn't he?

He is represented by Raiola yes. Another reason why we are now probably more open to the suggestion.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: dunkster on April 26, 2018, 05:30:04 PM
Oh I see..not sure what I make of it tbh. Good things and bad things could come of it. We probably wouldn't be made aware of the buy out clauses and other contract elements that may well not be great for the club. I don't want to feel like a stepping stone in a Raiola production line from talented youngster to champions league team.
Getting hold of some player who is amazing for us, who we wouldn't possibly want as a club to sell, but suddenly finding out he's gone to a champions league side for half of what we consider his price to be because that's what clauses were put in place in order to get the player.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Waltzer on April 26, 2018, 05:37:57 PM
Oh I see..not sure what I make of it tbh. Good things and bad things could come of it. We probably wouldn't be made aware of the buy out clauses and other contract elements that may well not be great for the club. I don't want to feel like a stepping stone in a Raiola production line from talented youngster to champions league team.
Getting hold of some player who is amazing for us, who we wouldn't possibly want as a club to sell, but suddenly finding out he's gone to a champions league side for half of what we consider his price to be because that's what clauses were put in place in order to get the player.

I dont see the negatives and also what would be the incentive for Raiola getting a cheap clause inserted into their contracts, so he doesnt get as much commission? Raiola would want everyone to go for world record fees id imagine as it pushes up his commission. Look at the transformation of Wolves who have got a good working relationship with Mendes, if it had the same success here id be well happy
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: brap2 on April 26, 2018, 06:02:59 PM
It's a policy that works though.

I'm happy with him using us as a stepping stone for good young talent.



Personally I do think maybe Wolves is the case study - like it seems great for them and being honest hard to say I wouldn’t take that - young talented players who are clearly above our level coming in and helping us achieve something spectacular, sounds great.

But anything that increases the power of leeches like him is bad. And anything that increases the chances that we are not signing purpose-sought players to fill a specific role in our system, and more just taking expensive punts on whatever that absolute used car salesman chooses to send our way, is very bad.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Ross on April 26, 2018, 06:15:44 PM
Does Raiola have any decent young players worth having at the moment?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Escla on April 26, 2018, 06:46:39 PM
Clearly 🙄

Yes, it’s a commonly used expression, try not to worry too much about my use of it.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Hesmenos on April 26, 2018, 06:47:58 PM
Lozano and Kluivert
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 26, 2018, 06:57:27 PM
Yes, it’s a commonly used expression, try not to worry too much about my use of it.

Well he's talking about leaving a job he's been very successful in uprooting his family and coming here. Clearly it all hinges on Sam allardyce?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: kramer0 on April 26, 2018, 07:07:51 PM
Can’t blame him though can you, clearly wants to know if they or going to sack Allardyce or not, if not then clearly he won’t come to us.

We may as well forget the director of football role if that's how we're going to continue to do things. If we're really invested in him, Brands needs to have a say in who manages the club next.

It's a policy that works though.

I'm happy with him using us as a stepping stone for good young talent.

Does it really work, though?

It's certainly gone well for Wolves but they've gotten CL quality youngsters in the Championship so no real surprise there. Mendes tried a lot of the same things at Valencia (same manager, even) and failed horribly. Valencia have only turned it around since hiring Marcelino (great manager who doesn't get enough attention) and cooling off on signing so many Mendes clients.

It's good to have good relationships with powerful agents but a dangerous game funneling most of your business through one.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on April 26, 2018, 07:26:01 PM
Well he's talking about leaving a job he's been very successful in uprooting his family and coming here. Clearly it all hinges on Sam allardyce?

No, it hinges on Moshiri (hopefully) sacking Allardyce.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Escla on April 26, 2018, 07:36:01 PM
Well he's talking about leaving a job he's been very successful in uprooting his family and coming here. Clearly it all hinges on Sam allardyce?

What’s your problem ?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 26, 2018, 07:38:32 PM
No, it hinges on Moshiri (hopefully) sacking Allardyce.

You know this how?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: bogie on April 26, 2018, 07:40:42 PM
Does Raiola have any decent young players worth having at the moment?

why don't you go and look
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 26, 2018, 07:42:10 PM
What’s your problem ?

My problem. I really don’t have 1. Just not sure people should be passing stuff off as fact when they’ve absolutely no clue what does and what doesn’t go into a man they’ve never mets decision. I mean come on it’s an extremely complex decision for him and his family. I assume you don’t actually know any of them. I’ve not even seen a single report saying his decision has anything to do with allardyce. So you’ve just decided it does cos you want it to be so and are now passing it off as a fact
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: GLewis on April 26, 2018, 07:44:12 PM
It’d be a question of dependence.

We don’t want to be too tied down to one source of player.

But equally have easier access to players should be beneficial.

Agents exist to make money so he’d be unlikely to offer a load of duds but equally we would be in line to make as much money from sales as if we’d procured everything ourselves.

I think we’d actually be quite well placed to be a breeding ground, so to speak, for young players ready to move towards the prime of their careers (like Lukaku) so the risk on the real big fees wouldn’t likely be with us as we’d be the middling fee area the career step before.

But regarding the balance there’d be no point having a DoF if we were just using one source for players.

I’d guess that this would be more of a benefit from the close relationship rather than Raiola driving things (like Mendes at Wolves).
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Escla on April 26, 2018, 07:48:51 PM
My problem. I really don’t have 1. Just not sure people should be passing stuff off as fact when they’ve absolutely no clue what does and what doesn’t go into a man they’ve never mets decision. I mean come on it’s an extremely complex decision for him and his family. I assume you don’t actually know any of them. I’ve not even seen a single report saying his decision has anything to do with allardyce. So you’ve just decided it does cos you want it to be so and are now passing it off as a fact

I’m not trying to pass anything off as fact, like I said, it’s a commonly used expression, doesn’t necessarily mean it’s definitive.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: bogie on April 26, 2018, 07:54:07 PM
Louis van Gaal linked with Everton today not managed a team in 2 years was crap at Man u with all the money he had there

is this what yous are hoping for with Brands coming in ?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bob Sacamano on April 26, 2018, 08:01:37 PM
Highly doubt we’d only get Raiola players lads. It’s a bit extreme thinking we aren’t allowed to sign others.

I reckon we’d get 2nd tier internationals and top tier youngsters if we jumped into bed with him.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: bogie on April 26, 2018, 08:05:50 PM
https://www.transfermarkt.com/mino-raiola/beraterfirma/berater/282

just so yous can go look at the players he has and stop making crap up
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bob Sacamano on April 26, 2018, 08:07:15 PM
Reckon Allardyce will have his eye on Maxwell lolol
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Hawkandro on April 30, 2018, 03:19:53 PM
Isn't the week up now, time to make a decision Marcel!

(...and no, another week doesn't count...)
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: brap2 on April 30, 2018, 03:29:50 PM
Really, really hate the idea of just signing whoever Raiola wants us to.

Again, may as well swerve having a scouting, analysis or DOF role if that’s what we’re going to do.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Hawkandro on April 30, 2018, 03:34:56 PM
Isn't the week up now, time to make a decision Marcel!

(...and no, another week doesn't count...)

Decision day, giving a week, would be Thursday actually...
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: dunkster on April 30, 2018, 03:37:39 PM
Unfortunately we live in 'everton time'.
Anyone or anything to do with this club and a week is likely to be a month
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: dunkster on April 30, 2018, 03:40:41 PM
To be honest I see it as being a positive thing. If SA is staying and brands had/has agreed to join as many it's claim is a done deal he'd have joined by now.
I'm hoping his lack of arrival is because he needs assurances of a new manager coming in first.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Macca77 on April 30, 2018, 03:43:21 PM
There's no rush really is there
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: dunkster on April 30, 2018, 03:48:24 PM
There's no rush really is there

Not sure really. Are there managers who would be interested in signing IF they see that Brands has signed up?
Bit of a catch 22 situation as I'm sure behind the scenes moshiri has/is contacting various managers he'd like to bring aboard.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Macca77 on April 30, 2018, 03:51:41 PM
Not sure really. Are there managers who would be interested in signing IF they see that Brands has signed up?
Bit of a catch 22 situation as I'm sure behind the scenes moshiri has/is contacting various managers he'd like to bring aboard.

Id guess that one or two managerial targets have been spoken to on numerous occasions over the last few weeks.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: dunkster on April 30, 2018, 03:52:51 PM
I bloody hope so
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: blargins on April 30, 2018, 04:59:29 PM
Really, really hate the idea of just signing whoever Raiola wants us to.

Again, may as well swerve having a scouting, analysis or DOF role if that’s what we’re going to do.

We wouldn't need scouts though. Raiola tends to represent the best. If he gets the best signing for us...
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: dunkster on May 02, 2018, 02:25:05 PM
Fookin dragging on this saga ain't it !!!
How long ago did he say he'll let people know within a week???
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Hawkandro on May 02, 2018, 02:35:55 PM
Last Thursday the story was released, so maybe last Wednesday. So, today or tomorrow we should know by, if true.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: dunkster on May 02, 2018, 02:42:42 PM
Seems like at least a month ago
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Hawkandro on May 02, 2018, 02:53:15 PM
I'm pretty sure the story mentioned that we hadn't yet started negotiating with PSV themselves, as we were waiting on an answer from Brands, so add another 6-8 weeks on for those to take place.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: phillyt on May 03, 2018, 05:01:00 AM
I'm pretty sure the story mentioned that we hadn't yet started negotiating with PSV themselves, as we were waiting on an answer from Brands, so add another 6-8 weeks on for those to take place.

Would we need to negotiate with PSv? He won’t be on a fixed term contract like players/managers. He will have to give notice, Which he will most likely serve on gardening leave.  I guess they could stop him starting his new role until that notice is served.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: SANA_DR0 on May 03, 2018, 09:35:12 PM
heard a rumor a week or so back that we would be getting Mino Raiola to be an agent to bring in some players... lol how would that even work with a new director of football,, and an anti footballing Sam Allerdyce... which of Raiola's stars would want to come here to play hoofball?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: dunkster on May 03, 2018, 09:38:07 PM
I'm pretty sure behind the scenes wheels are in motion that don't include hippo head
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: themilkycoffees on May 03, 2018, 09:39:48 PM
Hiving Lozano and Kenny Tete please Mino.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: dunkster on May 03, 2018, 09:40:44 PM
Hopefuuly fonseca will bring Bernard with him.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: dunkster on May 04, 2018, 02:08:54 PM
Now saying he'll make up his mind after this weekend..ffs
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Paddockoldie on May 04, 2018, 02:19:51 PM
Now saying he'll make up his mind after this weekend..ffs

Why does that sound different to he's on his way? He needs to know if Allardyce is off I reckon as part of his role will be selecting another one he can work with. Wouldn't surprise me if he said no thanks... It's the Everton way.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Toffee1 on May 04, 2018, 02:24:52 PM
Dutch season ends this weekend and maybe, he/we can't announce anything either way until then.

However, I think it is more likely, that he needs assurances of what his role (and who he will be working with) and the power that he will have here before deciding to leave a job, that he obviously enjoys and is comfortable in.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: dunkster on May 04, 2018, 02:24:55 PM
I can only assume he's hanging on for confirmation of a certain appointment or something. Either he wants the job or he doesn't. If he does, but doesn't want allardyce, are we actually going to sack him (allardyce)straight after this next game and sign the new manager he's waiting for by the end of the weekend?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Lincs Toffee on May 04, 2018, 02:28:45 PM
Lets be honest, none of us have a fucking clue what is going on behind closed doors, we can speculate as much as we like to entertain our hopes, but until it has come either directly from the club or the man himself I'm having myself a huge pinch of salt.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Toffee1 on May 04, 2018, 02:35:34 PM
Lets be honest, none of us have a fucking clue what is going on behind closed doors, we can speculate as much as we like to entertain our hopes, but until it has come either directly from the club or the man himself I'm having myself a huge pinch of salt.

Not too much though mate as it is not good for your blood pressure but then again so is watching Everton this season.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: dunkster on May 04, 2018, 02:40:10 PM
Well these are quotes directly from him. So he keeps pushing the timescale back. Nobody else.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: School of Science on May 04, 2018, 02:43:40 PM
Well these are quotes directly from him. So he keeps pushing the timescale back. Nobody else.

Makes sense though at the end of the season, another couple of days and a bit of respect for the club he's been years at. No longer though.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: TheRam on May 04, 2018, 02:45:03 PM
Well these are quotes directly from him. So he keeps pushing the timescale back. Nobody else.

Mate. Chill out.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: dunkster on May 04, 2018, 02:47:46 PM
I'm not sure it's that the. I think he won't commit until he has proof from moshiri that he's bringing someone else in.
I do wonder though if Brands was keen on teaming up with fonseca, and that with fonseca bumming us off (allegedly) that Brands is dragging his heels in to see what we come up with next.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on May 04, 2018, 02:50:28 PM
I'm not sure it's that the. I think he won't commit until he has proof from moshiri that he's bringing someone else in.
I do wonder though if Brands was keen on teaming up with fonseca, and that with fonseca bumming us off (allegedly) that Brands is dragging his heels in to see what we come up with next.

Not having a pop but you're just making a narrative up in your head.

It could well be that it's already sorted and signed off, and the club is waiting for an appropriate time to announce it.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Lxxx on May 04, 2018, 04:27:06 PM
I'm not sure it's that the. I think he won't commit until he has proof from moshiri that he's bringing someone else in.
I do wonder though if Brands was keen on teaming up with fonseca, and that with fonseca bumming us off (allegedly) that Brands is dragging his heels in to see what we come up with next.

That's a whole lot of wondering there brother.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: dunkster on May 04, 2018, 04:41:05 PM
Oh absolubtely. Just my mind figuring it all out.
What will be will be.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Makis on May 04, 2018, 04:49:28 PM
Next he'll tell us he's going on holiday and deciding after that.

Frankly, this sounds like he's not too keen on the job.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Lxxx on May 04, 2018, 04:53:21 PM
Next he'll tell us he's going on holiday and deciding after that.

Frankly, this sounds like he's not too keen on the job.

Frankly, I'm not sure anyone can read anything substantive into it at all. 
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: dunkster on May 04, 2018, 05:40:11 PM
I think it really depends on how much influence he's having on who becomes manager. Never quite sure who has the biggest influence on that decision. Ultimately the chairman I guess, but he must be having input if it's close to being done.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: boothill on May 04, 2018, 07:07:45 PM
Not having a pop but you're just making a narrative up in your head.

It could well be that it's already sorted and signed off, and the club is waiting for an appropriate time to announce it.
next derby is ages away though
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on May 04, 2018, 08:07:42 PM
Again, there's absolutely no way he comes without a new manager, and one that he either has a hand in picking and/or is pleased to work with.  He's not coming to us cap in hand, that is looney tunes fantasy crap.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 04, 2018, 08:14:01 PM
Again, there's absolutely no way he comes without a new manager, and one that he either has a hand in picking and/or is pleased to work with.  He's not coming to us cap in hand, that is looney tunes fantasy crap.

Do you know him?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: sam of the south on May 04, 2018, 11:42:24 PM
Do you know him?

Come on, mate, if you were a lauded DOF from the new champions of Holland would you want to come to England to enhance your career and/or reputation by working alongside Sam Allardyce, a manager who is very unpopular with his own club’s fanbase?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Waltzer on May 05, 2018, 02:45:09 AM
Just playing devils advocate here but I was looking at the respective players bought through or signed from Walsh and Brands and if I had to pick one set id probably go for Walsh's efforts. I think Walsh has messed up big time and deserves to go,  but I'm also slightly confused why others seem to think Brands is the answer? Some are talking about him almost being a messiah based on what he's done with PSV,  in a league which is comparable to Scotland,  when again you could easily  argue Walsh's achievements at Leicester are miles ahead of that.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on May 05, 2018, 04:03:14 AM
Shades of Koeman again.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Makis on May 05, 2018, 04:46:05 AM
Just playing devils advocate here but I was looking at the respective players bought through or signed from Walsh and Brands and if I had to pick one set id probably go for Walsh's efforts. I think Walsh has messed up big time and deserves to go,  but I'm also slightly confused why others seem to think Brands is the answer? Some are talking about him almost being a messiah based on what he's done with PSV,  in a league which is comparable to Scotland,  when again you could easily  argue Walsh's achievements at Leicester are miles ahead of that.
Walsh wasn't solely responsible for Leicester's signings.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: dunkster on May 05, 2018, 04:47:52 AM
Allardyce would not elaborate on how he sees any potential relationship with Brands unfolding but he did point out that all clubs now need Technical Directors to ease the burden on managers.

'Before Marcel Brands comes in, our position has to be the right flow for all departments to get to make the right decisions,' said Allardyce.

'Whatever we are doing and be brave enough to say no sometimes to what we want in terms of players coming in because sometimes it is too expensive.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-5692641/Sam-Allardyce-believes-trend-managerial-sackings-rising.html

Allardyces comments via the mail
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Trowel on May 05, 2018, 06:19:12 AM
Wow, so Brands confirmed then.

Like a turkey reminding you what 25th December is.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Trublue on May 05, 2018, 06:29:48 AM
How does it work, with the Director of Football? Doe's the manager say I'd like a player for a certain position, then there and get them, or does the manager tell them I'd like to sign a certain player?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: GLewis on May 05, 2018, 12:38:58 PM
How does it work, with the Director of Football? Doe's the manager say I'd like a player for a certain position, then there and get them, or does the manager tell them I'd like to sign a certain player?

I’d guess the finer details differ but yeah, in theory manager says I want a forward who makes x dribbles a game or makes x sprints etc. DoF then produces alist to pick from.

Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Waltzer on May 05, 2018, 12:51:54 PM
Walsh wasn't solely responsible for Leicester's signings.

And Brands has stated hes got 90 people working for him at PSV in that department, whats your point?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Fynci on May 05, 2018, 01:28:10 PM
Just playing devils advocate here but I was looking at the respective players bought through or signed from Walsh and Brands and if I had to pick one set id probably go for Walsh's efforts. I think Walsh has messed up big time and deserves to go,  but I'm also slightly confused why others seem to think Brands is the answer? Some are talking about him almost being a messiah based on what he's done with PSV,  in a league which is comparable to Scotland,  when again you could easily  argue Walsh's achievements at Leicester are miles ahead of that.

I work with an AZ fan who, when I mentioned the Brands rumour, spoke about him being the messiah while he was there. I don’t follow Dutch football but he seems to be really respected by a lot of people here.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: piggypop on May 05, 2018, 04:31:01 PM
Just playing devils advocate here but I was looking at the respective players bought through or signed from Walsh and Brands and if I had to pick one set id probably go for Walsh's efforts. I think Walsh has messed up big time and deserves to go,  but I'm also slightly confused why others seem to think Brands is the answer? Some are talking about him almost being a messiah based on what he's done with PSV,  in a league which is comparable to Scotland,  when again you could easily  argue Walsh's achievements at Leicester are miles ahead of that.
You liken the Dutch league to Scotland, yet compare his signings to ones that a Premier League club's money and status can attract.
It's hardly a fair comparison.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Makis on May 05, 2018, 04:44:32 PM
Brands has made money to the clubs he has worked with while still improving them. Walsh at Everton has managed to waste 200 million and make the team worse.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on May 05, 2018, 04:57:36 PM
So this is probably happening then eh? Doubt Allardyce would be name dropping him if it wasn't.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bob Sacamano on May 05, 2018, 05:45:57 PM
So this is probably happening then eh? Doubt Allardyce would be name dropping him if it wasn't.

I also think he’s dropping a name to associate and/or shift blame of his inevitable sacking, much like.... “we’ve all seen it before, when a new director comes in they like to bring in their own back room team and put their stamp on the club, me leaving Everton is not results or performance based decision blah blah blag”
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: BlueNoseMike on May 05, 2018, 06:44:22 PM
Brands has made money to the clubs he has worked with while still improving them. Walsh at Everton has managed to waste 200 million and make the team worse.

Is the full 200 mil wasted? Pickford is looking good, Sig is a good player (admittedly overpriced), the likes of Vlasic, Onyekuru, Gueye, Walcott, and Tosun are either a success, unproven or the jury is still out. Keane and Schneiderlin are starting to pick up form but I'd agree are lookinglike big misses at the moment (along with Klaassen, Sandro).

Walsh's biggest problem was he was never able to get the most important aspect of the business done in the summer (Striker and LB). For that reason he has to take his fair share of responsibility for the shit of a season, but I'd like to see some of these signings given more time
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Ross on May 05, 2018, 06:53:16 PM
No chance Brands walks in an immediately has the power to sack Allardyce.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Waltzer on May 05, 2018, 07:15:26 PM
You liken the Dutch league to Scotland, yet compare his signings to ones that a Premier League club's money and status can attract.
It's hardly a fair comparison.
But surely there's a point in that,  he's picked up players at that level,  that admittedly have done well,  but we're all (including myself) willing to write Walsh off despite the fact he's done it on a much bigger scale previously.  Brands and PSV  are competing with Ajax, where as were small fry in the league and in Europe,  why are people so confident that his skills are transferable when you can see the difficulties someone that's proven in this league is having? That was the main point
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: TheRam on May 05, 2018, 07:21:34 PM
But surely there's a point in that,  he's picked up players at that level,  that admittedly have done well,  but we're all (including myself) willing to write Walsh off despite the fact he's done it on a much bigger scale previously.  Brands and PSV  are competing with Ajax, where as were small fry in the league and in Europe,  why are people so confident that his skills are transferable when you can see the difficulties someone that's proven in this league is having? That was the main point

He's done it with AZ Alkmar as well.

Won the league with them which is a very impressive achievement.

Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Waltzer on May 05, 2018, 07:40:28 PM
He's done it with AZ Alkmar as well.

Won the league with them which is a very impressive achievement.



Dont get me wrong im not saying hes bad, im just saying if we rewound 18 months we were all ecstatic when Walsh arrived cause his CV was just as good, if not better. I think we need to temper some of the enthusiasm as to what is achievable here, especially in the short term. For one ill be really keen to see the types of player we do attract and if he opens up a different market for us then it should be beneficial.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Ridge on May 05, 2018, 07:54:50 PM
We signed Klaassen, who was one of the best players in the league and he can't get a kick.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on May 05, 2018, 07:58:20 PM
He's done it with AZ Alkmar as well.

Won the league with them which is a very impressive achievement.



And he's an actual DoF, and Head of Department overseeing 90 people. He understands the role, and how it should work, unlike (randomly, off the top of my head), promoting somebody else's scout into the role of DoF and then not even clearly delineating his roles and responsibilities.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Mayor Farnum on May 05, 2018, 08:13:30 PM
How have PSV done in Europe? I assume they are pretty much guaranteed qualification every year.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: bogie on May 05, 2018, 08:32:21 PM
How have PSV done in Europe? I assume they are pretty much guaranteed qualification every year.

2016–17 Champions League Group D
Germany Bayern Munich 1-2 (H), 1-4 (A)
Spain Atlético Madrid 0-1 (H), 0-2 (A)
Russia Rostov 0-0 (H), 2-2 (A)

not great is it even with the big teams in there
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Lxxx on May 05, 2018, 09:41:11 PM
We signed Klaassen, who was one of the best players in the league and he can't get a kick.

In his defence the reason he can't get a kick is because his manager told anyone who was prepared to listen that he'd like to play him in these last few dead rubber games but if it doesn't work out he's wary of getting criticism for it and damaging his own reputation. Which for a manager of a football club, whose responsibility it is to develop the group of players he has, is about as self serving a comment you could wish to hear.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: dunkster on May 05, 2018, 09:47:47 PM
I don't think Brands will particularly come in and make us great. Does he only find young talent in Holland?
I agree with a point made earlier that if a new manager comes in and suddenly klaasen looks good, then walsh's signings may not look too bad. Sandro was always a no brainer at 5 million.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Dunnaz on May 06, 2018, 02:06:58 AM
I don't think Brands will particularly come in and make us great. Does he only find young talent in Holland?
I agree with a point made earlier that if a new manager comes in and suddenly klaasen looks good, then walsh's signings may not look too bad. Sandro was always a no brainer at 5 million.
Brands’ thing is supposed to be his ability to identify you Central and South American talent for cheap that can be sold later on. I don’t know how true that is, because there aren’t that many players from there in PSV’s first team squad but it certainly isn’t exclusively Dutch by the looks of it.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 06, 2018, 02:34:37 AM
Brands’ thing is supposed to be his ability to identify you Central and South American talent for cheap that can be sold later on. I don’t know how true that is, because there aren’t that many players from there in PSV’s first team squad but it certainly isn’t exclusively Dutch by the looks of it.

Surely the problem with that is we won’t get work permits for them
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: sam of the south on May 06, 2018, 02:48:55 AM
Surely the problem with that is we won’t get work permits for them

Yeah, we best stick with Walsh and Allardyce
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: blue slug on May 06, 2018, 02:55:01 AM
The thing with other leagues is that it’s not necessarily the best players that will come and perform in our league it’s finding the right player and I think he’ll do that, like robben and kezman who were both amazing in the Dutch league, robben turned out to be a world class player whereas kezman utter shite
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: GLewis on May 06, 2018, 02:56:14 AM
Yeah, we best stick with Walsh and Allardyce

This for me.

We’ve got the money to not be bothered about the risk/ cost of change.

Brands doesn’t have to be a dead cert, nor a new manager.

They have to fit the profile and potential of what we want.

Then we see what happens.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Shogun on May 06, 2018, 05:20:30 AM
Think some need to remember that Brands doesn't manage the team on the pitch...
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Mayor Farnum on May 06, 2018, 05:30:29 AM
The thing with other leagues is that it’s not necessarily the best players that will come and perform in our league it’s finding the right player and I think he’ll do that, like robben and kezman who were both amazing in the Dutch league, robben turned out to be a world class player whereas kezman utter shite

Based on.....?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: TheRam on May 06, 2018, 08:26:41 AM
Think some need to remember that Brands doesn't manage the team on the pitch...

Forget that.

He's from a foreign country so is automatically shite.

Let's stick with people who know the English game, because that's worked great for us

Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Dunnaz on May 06, 2018, 08:45:46 AM
Surely the problem with that is we won't get work permits for them
Maybe, but we could always send them out on loan to another league which will give them a permit like Chelsea has been doing.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Cassius on May 06, 2018, 04:50:52 PM
I know it has been speculated, but if Allardyce has confirmed Brands leaving PSV for us, before he's personally had a chance to control the message to fans and how he leaves his current employer, then what an absolute shit house thing for him to do.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: sam of the south on May 06, 2018, 05:31:51 PM
I know it has been speculated, but if Allardyce has confirmed Brands leaving PSV for us, before he's personally had a chance to control the message to fans and how he leaves his current employer, then what an absolute shit house thing for him to do.

Sam Allardyce, doing something shithouse?

I’m not having it, wash your mouth out, young man  :wag:

Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Brownie on May 07, 2018, 10:54:29 PM
Rumour alert - to be announced this week
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: TheRam on May 07, 2018, 10:56:16 PM
Rumour alert - to be announced this week

Everton will make progress on appointing PSV Eindhoven director of football Marcel Brands as their next director of football and an announcement of the appointment could be made this week. (Source: De Telegraaf)

Good source as well.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Brownie on May 07, 2018, 10:57:27 PM
Everton will make progress on appointing PSV Eindhoven director of football Marcel Brands as their next director of football and an announcement of the appointment could be made this week. (Source: De Telegraaf)

Good source as well.

That's the source I got it from. Glad you're here to provide linkage young Ram
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Alanvideo on May 07, 2018, 11:38:51 PM
Brands also linked with Chelsea according to Sportwitness
http://sportwitness.co.uk/netherlands-marcel-brands-everton-progress-week-work/
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: blargins on May 07, 2018, 11:39:01 PM
It's a far better source than De Yourehavingalaaf.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Brownie on May 07, 2018, 11:48:20 PM
Brands also linked with Chelsea according to Sportwitness
http://sportwitness.co.uk/netherlands-marcel-brands-everton-progress-week-work/

That was a couple of seasons ago. Think they are saying that is who he's been linked with in the past
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Toffee1 on May 08, 2018, 12:13:33 AM
This is Chelsea's Director of Football, who has worked with Abromovich for a number of years, so they don't need a new one anyway.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marina_Granovskaia

In some pictures she has a resemblance to the gorgeous Eva Green.

Note to self, must read through thread before posting.

Will be glad to have him on board and hopefully, he can start to sort out the mess and formulate a plan that can be followed to move us forward.

Hopefully, this will shortly be followed with a new manager announcement.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: kramer0 on May 08, 2018, 12:13:41 AM
Good luck, Marcel.

The bar is low.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: bluenuck on May 08, 2018, 12:15:46 AM
Rumour alert - to be announced this week

So first week of August then?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Ross on May 08, 2018, 12:55:21 AM
That was a couple of seasons ago. Think they are saying that is who he's been linked with in the past

Brands was heavily linked to Chelsea before Christmas when Michael Emenalo left them, all before the links with us began, and I think before he’d become a client of you know who.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Brownie on May 08, 2018, 01:01:44 AM
Brands was heavily linked to Chelsea before Christmas when Michael Emenalo left them, all before the links with us began, and I think before he’d become a client of you know who.

I knew it wasn't now. Didn't realise it was as recent as then though
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Ross on May 08, 2018, 01:12:04 AM
I knew it wasn't now. Didn't realise it was as recent as then though

Yeah and they’ve not filled the position either.

With Raiola involved it’s not done until it’s signed and sealed as we all know.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Paddockoldie on May 08, 2018, 03:27:19 AM
Could mean Allardyce is off after hammers game? Could be a good week..
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Brownie on May 08, 2018, 03:38:52 AM
Could mean Allardyce is off after hammers game? Could be a good week..

Do not get my hopes up old man!! 😁
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Paddockoldie on May 08, 2018, 03:46:24 AM
Do not get my hopes up old man!! 😁

Hope's all that keeps me going Brownie.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on May 08, 2018, 03:56:29 AM
Could mean Allardyce is off after hammers game? Could be a good week..

Youre undercooking it somewhat.

That would be a a fucking brilliant week.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: brap2 on May 08, 2018, 08:02:46 PM
Still don’t really know if this is even a good idea, seems a little bit like another wild gamble to me, but fuck it, why not?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Alanvideo on May 09, 2018, 05:41:24 PM
from the Twittersphere............
PSV director Gerbrands: We can be proud if Brands leaves for Everton
PSV Eindhoven GM Toon Gerbrands concedes they could lose sports director Marcel Brands to Everton.
For the moment, Brands is still to commit to joining the Premier League outfit. However, Gerbrands admits PSV could lose him this summer.
He told Voetbal International: "If Marcel decides to leave, that is firstly a serious loss for PSV. But also for me personally, because I worked very well with him for nine years.
"On the other hand, it is also a very big compliment for Marcel and PSV. He has a very good name abroad and he is without doubt the architect of the technical organisation, the scouting and the training of PSV.
"The structure he has made here is worth gold."
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Toffee1 on May 09, 2018, 06:23:15 PM
from the Twittersphere............
PSV director Gerbrands: We can be proud if Brands leaves for Everton
PSV Eindhoven GM Toon Gerbrands concedes they could lose sports director Marcel Brands to Everton.
For the moment, Brands is still to commit to joining the Premier League outfit. However, Gerbrands admits PSV could lose him this summer.
He told Voetbal International: "If Marcel decides to leave, that is firstly a serious loss for PSV. But also for me personally, because I worked very well with him for nine years.
"On the other hand, it is also a very big compliment for Marcel and PSV. He has a very good name abroad and he is without doubt the architect of the technical organisation, the scouting and the training of PSV.
"The structure he has made here is worth gold."

Totally off topic but the PSV GMs name would not look out of place in the Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on May 09, 2018, 06:27:41 PM
Still don’t really know if this is even a good idea, seems a little bit like another wild gamble to me, but fuck it, why not?

I get that we're all a bit healthily sceptical about everything, but why? Surely if you want to improve and appoint someone in a key role, you identify someone who's been doing a good job elsewhere, and try to appoint them.

I mean appointing anyone, anywhere has some element of risk. Going out of the house in the morning is also risky.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: brap2 on May 09, 2018, 06:40:37 PM
I get that we're all a bit healthily sceptical about everything, but why? Surely if you want to improve and appoint someone in a key role, you identify someone who's been doing a good job elsewhere, and try to appoint them.

I mean appointing anyone, anywhere has some element of risk. Going out of the house in the morning is also risky.

Yeah I get that 100% and I’m trying to see it as a positive. As you’ve said previously I think, at least we’re hiring someone who has been in that role previously. And as glewis said when I mentioned the different way PSv operate - he still had to get them performing at s high level not just turn a profit ala Southampton so hopefully the remit here won’t be too different.

My skepticism comes from my lack of faith in moshiri and the rest of the gang, and as I say I don’t know if it’s a good move because there’s only a few weeks til the window and we still don’t know any further than we’ve targeted him publically while we still have the old guy in place, feels a bit chaotic and not conducive to a smooth summer but - we may well need to break some eggs to make this particular omelette and I would rather get him than not.

P.s not psyched about the raiola stuff either but suspect that is paper talk.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Hawkandro on May 09, 2018, 06:48:52 PM
Taking his sweet fucking time deciding.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: blargins on May 09, 2018, 07:14:10 PM
Taking his sweet fucking time deciding.

If he's like this over a job, what will he be like in transfers? Might make Dithering Dave look positively quick.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Jimmywhack on May 10, 2018, 12:19:47 AM
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/everton-s-wayne-rooney-to-wait-on-allardyce-decision-before-resolving-future-vvrxn9kcm

Joyce confirms brands... That's good enough for me tbh
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: TheRam on May 10, 2018, 12:32:31 AM
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/everton-s-wayne-rooney-to-wait-on-allardyce-decision-before-resolving-future-vvrxn9kcm

Joyce confirms brands... That's good enough for me tbh

Can we get this copy and pasted please :)
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: D15TIN on May 10, 2018, 12:41:29 AM
Yeah joyce has confirmed it, the start of us sorting ourselves out hopefully, big clearout needed

To me that confirms that allardyce wont be here next season too, you don't buy a fancy DOF and have a total dinosaur as a manager
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: GLewis on May 10, 2018, 12:42:02 AM
Wayne Rooney’s future will only be resolved when Everton offer clarity on whether Sam Allardyce will remain as the manager next season.

The former England captain wants to stay at Goodison Park, but until he knows if he is part of the club’s plans then his position is, to a degree, clouded.

There is interest in Rooney from Major League Soccer with DC United holding a long-standing desire to recruit the 32-year-old and also from China.

Whether Rooney could move to Washington this summer depends on a number of factors not least major shareholder Farhad Moshiri deciding whether to sack Allardyce and appoint a third permanent manager since 2016.

Allardyce, too, is awaiting a decision from Moshiri, who is facing a pivotal summer when his vision for Everton must take a step towards fruition.

Rooney is Everton’s leading goalscorer this season with ten goals, but has been dropped to the bench on occasions by Allardyce and substituted in other games with his ability to play in a midfield role against elite opposition having been questioned.

Allardyce said in an interview with talkSPORT this week that their relationship is fine, yet he has been unable to give Rooney assurances that he would remain integral to his plans if he stays in the dug-out.

Similarly, Rooney — who has 12 months remaining on his contract — does not know where he would stand with any successor. Marco Silva was Moshiri’s first choice ahead of Allardyce to replace Ronald Koeman in October only for Watford to reject an approach before subsequently sacking the Portuguese. Silva is still a strong candidate for Everton.

While the situation applies to every Everton player, Rooney’s status - allied to the fact that he rejected offers and took a pay cut to return to his boyhood club from Manchester United last summer - means he finds himself at the centre of the intrigue.

The prospect of contingency plans being drawn up in the event of him not being wanted are understandable, although Everton have deeper issues than sanctioning the departure of their leading scorer for the second successive summer. Romelu Lukaku was sold last year to United.

The onus is on Moshiri to act decisively after an underwhelming campaign. Marcel Brands is arriving from PSV Eindhoven to replace Steve Walsh as the club’s director of football, although there is the possibility of Walsh retaining a scouting role.

Progress also needs to be made with the appointment of a new chief executive to replace Robert Elstone and with financing for the proposed new stadium in Bramley-Moore dock.

Yet the managerial position is central to everything, not least to Rooney’s future plans.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: TheRam on May 10, 2018, 12:44:07 AM
Wayne Rooney’s future will only be resolved when Everton offer clarity on whether Sam Allardyce will remain as the manager next season.

The former England captain wants to stay at Goodison Park, but until he knows if he is part of the club’s plans then his position is, to a degree, clouded.

There is interest in Rooney from Major League Soccer with DC United holding a long-standing desire to recruit the 32-year-old and also from China.

Whether Rooney could move to Washington this summer depends on a number of factors not least major shareholder Farhad Moshiri deciding whether to sack Allardyce and appoint a third permanent manager since 2016.

Allardyce, too, is awaiting a decision from Moshiri, who is facing a pivotal summer when his vision for Everton must take a step towards fruition.

Rooney is Everton’s leading goalscorer this season with ten goals, but has been dropped to the bench on occasions by Allardyce and substituted in other games with his ability to play in a midfield role against elite opposition having been questioned.

Allardyce said in an interview with talkSPORT this week that their relationship is fine, yet he has been unable to give Rooney assurances that he would remain integral to his plans if he stays in the dug-out.

Similarly, Rooney — who has 12 months remaining on his contract — does not know where he would stand with any successor. Marco Silva was Moshiri’s first choice ahead of Allardyce to replace Ronald Koeman in October only for Watford to reject an approach before subsequently sacking the Portuguese. Silva is still a strong candidate for Everton.

While the situation applies to every Everton player, Rooney’s status - allied to the fact that he rejected offers and took a pay cut to return to his boyhood club from Manchester United last summer - means he finds himself at the centre of the intrigue.

The prospect of contingency plans being drawn up in the event of him not being wanted are understandable, although Everton have deeper issues than sanctioning the departure of their leading scorer for the second successive summer. Romelu Lukaku was sold last year to United.

The onus is on Moshiri to act decisively after an underwhelming campaign. Marcel Brands is arriving from PSV Eindhoven to replace Steve Walsh as the club’s director of football, although there is the possibility of Walsh retaining a scouting role.

Progress also needs to be made with the appointment of a new chief executive to replace Robert Elstone and with financing for the proposed new stadium in Bramley-Moore dock.

Yet the managerial position is central to everything, not least to Rooney’s future plans.

Sound.

Like the thought of Walsh staying on in a scouting role tbh.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Alanvideo on May 10, 2018, 01:07:35 AM
comment from some kopite in The Times following the above article................

<<<  Alan Bama
12 minutes ago
EFC fans so vocal about ousting Big Sam. They should have been relegated under the hapless Unsworth ("We need time to get information in to their heads"). Sam turned it around simply by sitting in the stand! They played like Billeo against WHUFC.
Let them get rid of Sam for a foreign Johnny: watch them fall and get relegated. I will laugh my head off as EFC play at home to Tranmere.
really the EFC fans are lacking in both memory and class. They should beg Sam to stay and take them into Europe.
In denial, all of them, And the owner is dreaming. >>>
 lolol
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bob Sacamano on May 10, 2018, 01:09:20 AM
Sound.

Like the thought of Walsh staying on in a scouting role tbh.

Same. He clearly knows his onions,would be good to keep that knowledge on the payroll. I think even he’d admit he seems a bit lost in the DoF role.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Toffee1 on May 10, 2018, 01:10:33 AM
comment from some kopite in The Times following the above article................

<<<  Alan Bama
12 minutes ago
EFC fans so vocal about ousting Big Sam. They should have been relegated under the hapless Unsworth ("We need time to get information in to their heads"). Sam turned it around simply by sitting in the stand! They played like Billeo against WHUFC.
Let them get rid of Sam for a foreign Johnny: watch them fall and get relegated. I will laugh my head off as EFC play at home to Tranmere.
really the EFC fans are lacking in both memory and class. They should beg Sam to stay and take them into Europe.
In denial, all of them, And the owner is dreaming. >>>
 lolol


For a bunch of fans who don't think much of us and the club, they don't half have a lot to say.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Macca77 on May 10, 2018, 01:27:23 AM
Wayne Rooney’s future will only be resolved when Everton offer clarity on whether Sam Allardyce will remain as the manager next season.

The former England captain wants to stay at Goodison Park, but until he knows if he is part of the club’s plans then his position is, to a degree, clouded.

There is interest in Rooney from Major League Soccer with DC United holding a long-standing desire to recruit the 32-year-old and also from China.

Whether Rooney could move to Washington this summer depends on a number of factors not least major shareholder Farhad Moshiri deciding whether to sack Allardyce and appoint a third permanent manager since 2016.

Allardyce, too, is awaiting a decision from Moshiri, who is facing a pivotal summer when his vision for Everton must take a step towards fruition.

Rooney is Everton’s leading goalscorer this season with ten goals, but has been dropped to the bench on occasions by Allardyce and substituted in other games with his ability to play in a midfield role against elite opposition having been questioned.

Allardyce said in an interview with talkSPORT this week that their relationship is fine, yet he has been unable to give Rooney assurances that he would remain integral to his plans if he stays in the dug-out.

Similarly, Rooney — who has 12 months remaining on his contract — does not know where he would stand with any successor. Marco Silva was Moshiri’s first choice ahead of Allardyce to replace Ronald Koeman in October only for Watford to reject an approach before subsequently sacking the Portuguese. Silva is still a strong candidate for Everton.

While the situation applies to every Everton player, Rooney’s status - allied to the fact that he rejected offers and took a pay cut to return to his boyhood club from Manchester United last summer - means he finds himself at the centre of the intrigue.

The prospect of contingency plans being drawn up in the event of him not being wanted are understandable, although Everton have deeper issues than sanctioning the departure of their leading scorer for the second successive summer. Romelu Lukaku was sold last year to United.

The onus is on Moshiri to act decisively after an underwhelming campaign. Marcel Brands is arriving from PSV Eindhoven to replace Steve Walsh as the club’s director of football, although there is the possibility of Walsh retaining a scouting role.

Progress also needs to be made with the appointment of a new chief executive to replace Robert Elstone and with financing for the proposed new stadium in Bramley-Moore dock.

Yet the managerial position is central to everything, not least to Rooney’s future plans.

Excellent news, Allardyce is deffo gone
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Confucius on May 10, 2018, 01:34:56 AM
Reckon the issues we have had over the last two years are Kenwright’s fault. Too buddy buddy, not enough vision and not enough ambition. He has had too much say and reckon Moshiri is sick of it and taking over.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: brap2 on May 10, 2018, 01:50:45 AM
Reckon the issues we have had over the last two years are Kenwright’s fault. Too buddy buddy, not enough vision and not enough ambition. He has had too much say and reckon Moshiri is sick of it and taking over.


Would be a convenient narrative but a few too many bits and bobs have happened to make me think we’re being passed from circus to circus.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 10, 2018, 01:56:38 AM
Same. He clearly knows his onions,would be good to keep that knowledge on the payroll. I think even he’d admit he seems a bit lost in the DoF role.

We’ve (the club) really not helped him either. I actually don’t think he’s even had a go at the role. Nothing was defined and hence the shit storm that followed with some blame for everyone
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Toffee1 on May 15, 2018, 04:44:55 PM
Not saying much more than has been reported recently but here goes.

http://www.insidefutbol.com/2018/05/15/everton-linked-technical-director-to-take-decision-on-future-soon/375540/

Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: dunkster on May 15, 2018, 11:19:42 PM
I can't help but feel he won't commit until he literally knows Sam has gone.
Whether he knows or is waiting to see who gets hired is also stopping him signing is another matter.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Paddockoldie on May 16, 2018, 12:50:28 AM
We’ve (the club) really not helped him either. I actually don’t think he’s even had a go at the role. Nothing was defined and hence the shit storm that followed with some blame for everyone

The thing with Walsh is you wouldn't know he was there. He doesn't communicate his ideas or what he's trying to achieve. Maybe that's not in his job spec but it would help us understand him if we knew he actually spoke. Since his appointment I've never heard a press release from him.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on May 16, 2018, 12:55:59 AM
Splitting the baby a little on Moshiri - I want him to both take responsibility for his SHARED role in the clusterfuckery of the last several years (especially falling for the Alardyche shite), and also take on more sole responsibility in fixing things going forward.

I mean, really.  It's his club now.  Time to step up.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: bluenuck on May 16, 2018, 12:58:41 AM
Splitting the baby a little on Moshiri - I want him to both take responsibility for his SHARED role in the clusterfuckery of the last several years (especially falling for the Alardyche shite), and also take on more sole responsibility in fixing things going forward.

I mean, really.  It's his club now.  Time to step up.

"several" years??

Jesus, man. He's owned us for just 2 years now.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on May 16, 2018, 01:00:13 AM
oops, I thought it was 2.5-3.  I am not super awesome with time.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: bluenuck on May 16, 2018, 01:05:08 AM
oops, I thought it was 2.5-3.  I am not super awesome with time.

lol

I believe He came in at the end of 2015/16 season when Martinez was let go. Brought in Koeman and Walsh and we had a solid season. Then this season started...
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Cozzie on May 16, 2018, 01:08:31 AM
The thing with Walsh is you wouldn't know he was there. He doesn't communicate his ideas or what he's trying to achieve. Maybe that's not in his job spec but it would help us understand him if we knew he actually spoke. Since his appointment I've never heard a press release from him.

This is the closest you will get to the type of person he is and what he is supposed to do.

Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Lxxx on May 16, 2018, 03:39:36 AM
Every time I see Steve Walsh I have to double check I’ve got his age right.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: sam of the south on May 16, 2018, 03:43:10 AM
This is the closest you will get to the type of person he is and what he is supposed to do.


He is mind-numbingly dull, bless him
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Tony Clifton on May 16, 2018, 04:59:06 AM
I can't help but feel he won't commit until he literally knows Sam has gone.
Whether he knows or is waiting to see who gets hired is also stopping him signing is another matter.

DoF should be heavily involved in identifying the "perfect candidate" for any managerial/coaching role at the club.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Brownie on May 16, 2018, 05:45:20 AM
https://mobile.twitter.com/FootballOranje_/status/996512708966141952?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fs9e.github.io%2Fiframe%2Ftwitter.min.html%23996512708966141952
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Jamokachi on May 16, 2018, 06:04:14 AM
Board restructure, then managerial restructure. Makes sense.
Title: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Ramjam on May 16, 2018, 06:58:13 AM
We seem to be getting our affairs in order quick smart, has to be a good sign
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: bluenuck on May 16, 2018, 10:27:55 AM
We seem to be getting our affairs in order quick smart, has to be a good sign

Window opens on Thursday.

Glad to see we actually give a shit. Or are at least trying to give a shit.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: blue slug on May 16, 2018, 01:10:13 PM
If we have allardyce out and brands in by the end of the week I’ll be a very happy chappy
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: blue1948 on May 16, 2018, 02:27:04 PM
We seem to be getting our affairs in order quick smart, has to be a good sign
Just like getting all the deals done early last summer ?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Mick 1995 on May 16, 2018, 02:38:56 PM
Just like getting all the deals done early last summer ?

Not all the deals, some.
The two main deals that needed to be done weren't done at all last summer.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Cozzie on May 16, 2018, 02:39:41 PM
Just like getting all the deals done early last summer ?

This.

We where actually efficient in getting deals over the line last summer, they where just the wrong ones.

Recruitment is vital this time around.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 16, 2018, 03:05:20 PM
This.

We where actually efficient in getting deals over the line last summer, they where just the wrong ones.

Recruitment is vital this time around.

Was only because we overpaid though.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Ramjam on May 16, 2018, 04:10:33 PM
Just like getting all the deals done early last summer ?
After the shit fight that was dished up last season hopefully we’ve learned a lot of expensive lessons, there the ones that make you wiser.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: blue1948 on May 16, 2018, 04:51:58 PM
Not all the deals, some.
The two main deals that needed to be done weren't done at all last summer.
Well if they weren't done then they weren't deals!! Shall I explain ?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Mick 1995 on May 16, 2018, 05:01:31 PM
Well if they weren't done then they weren't deals!! Shall I explain ?

You may need to, because your condescending tone coupled with your pig-headed idiocy sometimes confuses people.

The use of the word *all* seemed incorrect. We carried on doing deals late into the summer.
My two sentences were mutually exclusive.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Macca77 on May 16, 2018, 05:19:40 PM
https://twitter.com/ALANMYERSMEDIA/status/996695139912441856
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: TheRam on May 16, 2018, 05:27:07 PM
https://twitter.com/ALANMYERSMEDIA/status/996695139912441856

Should be done now not in a few weeks.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: DanDan on May 16, 2018, 05:29:42 PM
Should be done now not in a few weeks.

The Dutch love their summer holidays remember
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Sixx1402 on May 16, 2018, 05:29:47 PM
https://twitter.com/ALANMYERSMEDIA/status/996695139912441856

"The coming weeks" is no good. He needs to be in place asap and so does the new manager.

If they're going to work together and identify targets for a certain system then is has to be done sooner rather than later

With the world cup this summer and the shortened transfer window there's no time for waiting a few weeks, we need to hit the ground running mid August with everything in place and a sense of stability rather than chaos
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Lxxx on May 16, 2018, 05:37:05 PM
https://twitter.com/ALANMYERSMEDIA/status/996695139912441856

I believe he has a golfing holiday booked in Portugal with a few of the old Dutch legends.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: blargins on May 16, 2018, 07:09:04 PM
I believe he has a golfing holiday booked in Portugal with a few of the old Dutch legends.
Does Moshiri play golf? Get it done on the course like all other deals are done.

Ffs presidents of the USA has been doing it for years.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: blue1948 on May 16, 2018, 08:09:59 PM
You may need to, because your condescending tone coupled with your pig-headed idiocy sometimes confuses people.

The use of the word *all* seemed incorrect. We carried on doing deals late into the summer.
My two sentences were mutually exclusive.
You are a prick sometimes if you would care to look at the context of my comment ,it was meant to illustrate that our recent history of getting things done is not that good .and this pig headed idiocy seems to go both ways .Now get back on ye perch
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Robioto on May 16, 2018, 09:10:03 PM
https://twitter.com/psveindhoven/status/996753832356007939

PSV saying good luck at Everton. Matter of time now...
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Mick 1995 on May 16, 2018, 09:12:24 PM
https://twitter.com/ALANMYERSMEDIA/status/996754725235298304

Myers using the phrsae "replace Steve Walsh".
Could mean one of two things really.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on May 16, 2018, 09:15:34 PM
Awesome. Moshiri's getting shit done.

He must've been sitting on all of this and planning it all for months. Bet he's buzzing he can finally put it into action.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: School of Science on May 16, 2018, 09:16:51 PM
Things are starting to take shape.... Brands news now on SSN yellow banner. Cobb.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Mick 1995 on May 16, 2018, 09:17:54 PM
Hahaha, maybe he was waiting for the Allardyce news after all.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: pjk on May 16, 2018, 09:28:55 PM
This is more like it. Where Steve walsh is concerned, I read somewhere that he's been offered a scouting role. :)
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: TheRam on May 16, 2018, 09:29:36 PM
Boss.

Looks like there's been an actual coherent plan all along.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: School of Science on May 16, 2018, 09:30:10 PM
Hahaha, maybe he was waiting for the Allardyce news after all.

You would definitely think so now wouldn't you.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bluenose 91 on May 16, 2018, 09:31:54 PM
Does feel like a proper fresh start is beginning now.

Please god don't fuck this up again.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Macca77 on May 16, 2018, 09:32:20 PM
Today is a very good day
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: TheRam on May 16, 2018, 09:33:07 PM
Feel proper boss here. Grin on my face sitting at my desk like a knobhead.

Don't even know why. Just feels like a completely new Everton now.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: blargins on May 16, 2018, 09:33:16 PM
Holy cow.

Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Macca77 on May 16, 2018, 09:33:47 PM
https://twitter.com/GregOK/status/996759182341820417
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Macca77 on May 16, 2018, 09:34:27 PM
I'm going for a pint, fuck it
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Risky on May 16, 2018, 09:34:52 PM
It's amazing what positive stuff can do for you. All of a sudden I'm excited about about football again.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: kramer0 on May 16, 2018, 09:35:20 PM
https://twitter.com/GregOK/status/996759182341820417

That is the correct order.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Mick 1995 on May 16, 2018, 09:36:03 PM
Jesus, i saw somebody give Allardyce a bit of praise saying that the club was rocked after last summers high and now we can go into this August in the same frame of mine.
Didn't really get it, but my optimism has just shot back up to last year when we were signing boss players like Pickford and Keane really early.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: eugene on May 16, 2018, 09:36:30 PM
Just like getting all the deals done early last summer ?
Please mate let’s have some peace
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on May 16, 2018, 09:38:50 PM
Brands is a proper DoF who's done that role at a few clubs for years. He gets the brief. It's so much better than hiring some arl fella who once spotted Mahrez.

Thank fuck for the reset button.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Macca77 on May 16, 2018, 09:39:31 PM
Deffo getting our mojo back arnt we

*Awaits obvious reply
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Toffee1 on May 16, 2018, 09:40:51 PM
Deffo getting our mojo back arnt we

*Awaits obvious reply

That was a quick pint.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Lazarou on May 16, 2018, 09:41:02 PM
Is it sad that I just got my first case of Toffee goosebumps in I don't know how long, by a new director of football of all things!
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Gary1878 on May 16, 2018, 09:41:55 PM
I know this isn't the right thread, but I have received information today from a very close source that Kenwright is potentially being pushed out sooner rather than later, as Moshiri wants full control. It is from one of Bill's close friends in football so i have no reason not to believe him.

Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: dunkster on May 16, 2018, 09:42:00 PM
Hopefully brands will bolster our opinions of SA  instead of the allardyce loving media. when asked he'll reply "I only said I'd come if they got rid of someone I couldn't possibly have imagined working with."
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on May 16, 2018, 09:42:08 PM
Marcel Brands: “It is a very difficult decision, but I think this is a good step at the right time. I have had a great time here and PSV gave me the choice to do it for more years. It’s really hard to let go of something that’s good, but I’m going to do that now.”

“In my job, the Premier League is of course a great thing. It is the biggest competition in the world, in all respects. Now, I get the chance to do something there in my own way. I am looking forward to that.”
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Toffee1 on May 16, 2018, 09:42:24 PM
Does he start his job on the 1st June?

If so we won't have a manager announced before then, I would assume?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: D15TIN on May 16, 2018, 09:43:19 PM
Everton have done well last couple of days
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Fynci on May 16, 2018, 09:50:28 PM
Brands selecting the new manager? Let's hope we don't see this...

(https://www.sportlineng.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/brands_marcel_van_gaal_54_Diashow.jpg)
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Toffee1 on May 16, 2018, 09:53:36 PM
https://twitter.com/GierSam/status/996756746604511232?s=20

Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Macca77 on May 16, 2018, 09:54:27 PM
Bizarre how much a bit of good news can brighten us all up, instead of going into the summer pissed off we're all smiling and excited because we're finally doing things right
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Toffee1 on May 16, 2018, 09:57:46 PM
Bizarre how much a bit of good news can brighten us all up, instead of going into the summer pissed off we're all smiling and excited because we're finally doing things right

The fact it has been done so quickly, is the most pleasing for me as this summer window is truncated due to the World Cup. Having a DOF, who has experience of hiring (and firing) managers, in charge of the appointment of our new manager, is a real positive.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Tinga on May 16, 2018, 09:57:53 PM
Apparently this Brands doesn't know how to sign a left back, he'll fit right in at Everton!.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: blargins on May 16, 2018, 09:59:13 PM
At least we're not dependent on a manager for signing players immediately. That will be in the hands of Brands.

Hey that rhymes.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Macca77 on May 16, 2018, 10:06:20 PM
The fact it has been done so quickly, is the most pleasing for me as this summer window is truncated due to the World Cup. Having a DOF, who has experience of hiring (and firing) managers, in charge of the appointment of our new manager, is a real positive.

Moshiri has obviously had enough of how shit we were and finally cracked his whip
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on May 16, 2018, 10:07:14 PM
I've been supporting Everton for 50 years, so, although I'm feeling happier and a bit more positive, I won't be smiling too widely in public until we sign a Manager that sounds like Silva, Fonseca, or even Howe, rather than Moyes or LvG.

Everton, no matter how much you love it, does that to you.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: plumber on May 16, 2018, 10:07:17 PM
https://twitter.com/GregOK/status/996759182341820417

That's promising. Hopefully decision about the manager is not made yet, and there are more and better candidates than Silva.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on May 16, 2018, 10:07:38 PM
Boss!!! Off for a bevvie after my meeting :D
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: KingdingalingNL on May 16, 2018, 10:08:50 PM
My friend says he was already onboard and has already had talks over the future etc. He took his time to make it known so the focus was on PSV and now the season has ended he finished a couple of deals he was already working on for PSV, but he already has had an influence on Everton. He did not go into which influence it was but has talked multiple times. He also IS interested in bringing Lozano and Ziyech, he doesn’t want to upset PSV so he doesn’t know how hard he will try for Lozano and Ziyech is in talks with Roma so wether that will or will not come off is also uncertain. If he lets me know anything else I will let you guys know!
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: plowman2 on May 16, 2018, 10:18:50 PM
My friend says he was already onboard and has already had talks over the future etc. He took his time to make it known so the focus was on PSV and now the season has ended he finished a couple of deals he was already working on for PSV, but he already has had an influence on Everton. He did not go into which influence it was but has talked multiple times. He also IS interested in bringing Lozano and Ziyech, he doesn’t want to upset PSV so he doesn’t know how hard he will try for Lozano and Ziyech is in talks with Roma so wether that will or will not come off is also uncertain. If he lets me know anything else I will let you guys know!
I just can't express enough how much I want Ziyech to sign for us.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on May 16, 2018, 10:22:11 PM
Given that he's left PSV on very amicable terms, with their blessing, maybe it'll be more palatable to go back in for their best players. And maybe those players would be more willing to come, under his stewardship.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Trowel on May 16, 2018, 10:22:55 PM
Brilliant work to get this done early in a World Cup year.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: D15TIN on May 16, 2018, 10:23:34 PM
what positions are Lozano and Ziyech? Not really up to date with the dutch league
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Toffee1 on May 16, 2018, 10:25:03 PM
what positions are Lozano and Ziyech? Not really up to date with the dutch league

Winger and attacking midfielder.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: themilkycoffees on May 16, 2018, 10:25:46 PM
Lozano would be a major coup.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Outworlder47 on May 16, 2018, 10:28:31 PM
Just noting that Ziyech is an Ajax player, so even if there were a gentleman's agreement in place about pursuing PSV's players, it wouldn't apply to the Moroccan midfielder.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: DanDan on May 16, 2018, 10:29:31 PM
Does this mean Walsh is getting the boot or will he just be an over paid Scout
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: KingdingalingNL on May 16, 2018, 10:31:21 PM
I just can't express enough how much I want Ziyech to sign for us.

I am trying also to get info out of an ex Ajax player on Ziyech, but he is being a right dick! He either doesn’t know anything or he is just messing with me he just keeps smiling and saying he doesn’t know but in a way it looks as though he does know!!! He is normally straight forward and this is getting to me and he knows it.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: TheRam on May 16, 2018, 10:31:53 PM
Lozano would be a game changer.

Him, Walcott and lookman and we suddenly have one of the best set of wide men in the league
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bally on May 16, 2018, 10:33:12 PM
http://www.evertonfc.com/news/2018/05/16/brands-becomes-everton-new-director-of-football

Done
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Ross on May 16, 2018, 10:34:04 PM
http://www.evertonfc.com/news/2018/05/16/brands-becomes-everton-new-director-of-football

Quote
Marcel Brands has outlined his ideas and ambitions for Everton having joined the Club as Director of Football.

The Dutchman, 56, has established a reputation for developing players and building clubs, overseeing PSV Eindhoven’s charge to the Eredivisie title in three of the past four seasons having previously been instrumental in transforming the fortunes of RKC Waalwijk and AZ Alkmaar.

In his role as technical director at RKC Waalwijk, he appointed Martin Jol as manager in 1998 and, despite operating on one of the lowest budgets in the Eredivisie, RKC rose to within touching distance of qualification for European football.

In 2005 Brands assumed a similar role at AZ Alkmaar and, working with Louis van Gaal, consolidated on second and third-place finishes in 2006 and 2007 respectively to secure the Eredivisie title in 2009.

Playing fluid, passing football, AZ became the first Dutch side outside the traditional ‘Big Three’ powerhouses of Ajax, Feyenoord and PSV Eindhoven to win the title in 28 years.

In 2010 Brands was lured to PSV and tasked with refocussing the team’s transfer strategy and underperforming academy while extending the scouting network.

Building one of the youngest teams ever to win the Eredivisie, Brands has helped PSV to sustained success with back-to-back titles in 2014/15 and 2015/16 followed up with the Dutch team’s 24th Eredivisie title this season, clinched with an emphatic 3-0 home win over Ajax.

“It is a privilege to be joining Everton as Director of Football and I am incredibly excited to take on this challenge,” said Brands.

“The fantastic passion of the fans for their Club, the magnificent history of the Club over the years and the ambition and purpose we have as people tasked with driving the Club forward all mean that we need to be competing for honours against the Premier League elite.

“It is no straightforward challenge but this must be our motivation each and every day.

“I am looking forward to working with Farhad Moshiri and Chairman Bill Kenwright, whom I thank for entrusting me with this role and responsibility, and I am also looking forward to working with the Board of Directors and with our new CEO, Denise Barrett-Baxendale. I know we have very committed people here who want only the best for Everton.

“It is only a challenge such as this which could have persuaded me to leave PSV where I am indebted to the many people whose collective effort led to some great achievements.

“Now we will look to build something really strong and lasting here at Everton.”

Everton’s major shareholder, Farhad Moshiri, added: “Marcel’s record of achievement has cemented his reputation across Europe and I am extremely pleased that we will be bringing his drive, energy and expertise to Everton.

“It was clear to me in our conversations that he shares in the vision we have for the Club and he has much to contribute in making us better and more equipped to challenge the top teams in the Premier League.”

Chairman Bill Kenwright said: “I would like to welcome Marcel to Everton Football Club and I’m looking forward to working with him. His successful track record is there for all to see and having him here to help lead Everton forward is something which I’m sure will excite all Evertonians.”

Everton Director, Professor Denise Barrett-Baxendale, said: “I’m very much looking forward to working closely with Marcel whose experience in the areas of player recruitment and development pathways for young players has forged an outstanding reputation in European football. I know that Marcel will bring an unsurpassed level of quality and prowess to his work at Everton.

“Chief among my priorities is to structure and resource our Club to enable us to fully achieve our ambitions. We will work alongside Marcel on the recruitment of a new manager, which is now our biggest focus.”

Marcel replaces Steve Walsh who joined the Club in July 2016. Professor Denise Barrett-Baxendale added: “On behalf of the Board and Mr Moshiri, I’d also like to express our thanks to Steve Walsh, our first ever Director of Football, who has now left the Club. We all wish Steve well for his future.”
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: TheRam on May 16, 2018, 10:34:06 PM
http://www.evertonfc.com/news/2018/05/16/brands-becomes-everton-new-director-of-football

Walsh has gone
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on May 16, 2018, 10:36:09 PM
Buzzing.

Brands - “It is only a challenge such as this which could have persuaded me to leave PSV where I am indebted to the many people whose collective effort led to some great achievements.

“Now we will look to build something really strong and lasting here at Everton.”
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: blargins on May 16, 2018, 10:36:49 PM
Wow, this is a fantastic clear out.

The club has listened and is delivering.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Macca77 on May 16, 2018, 10:36:54 PM
Walsh gone, fucking hell what day
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Macca77 on May 16, 2018, 10:37:26 PM
Love him already
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on May 16, 2018, 10:41:43 PM
Proper DILF vibes from Brands.

The kind of fella who’s 20 years older than you but looks like he could nail your missus at least 20 times longer.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on May 16, 2018, 10:43:38 PM
Proper DILF vibes from Brands.

The kind of fella who’s 20 years older than you but looks like he could nail your missus at least 20 times longer.

If he brings Lozano, he's welcome to have a session with the Mrs.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on May 16, 2018, 10:47:05 PM
The problem with all this...? I’ve gone and got my fucking hopes up again!

We’re back laaaaaaaaaaaaa!
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Juanito on May 16, 2018, 10:48:35 PM
The problem with all this...? I’ve gone and got my fucking hopes up again!

We’re back laaaaaaaaaaaaa!

EVERTOOOOON FC
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on May 16, 2018, 10:53:20 PM
We’ve gone about this in the right order. At least we know any incoming manager has been approved by Brands.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Dr. Sponge on May 16, 2018, 10:55:31 PM
What a day.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Macca77 on May 16, 2018, 10:55:42 PM
Proper cleaned house haven't we, ruthless
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: kramer0 on May 16, 2018, 10:57:17 PM
Yeah, I’m not going to pass any judgment — good or bad — on any of the new personnel we’re bringing in.

I’m just pleased that we appear to be doing things in an organized and coherent way, which is all I can really ask for from the people who run club.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Ross on May 16, 2018, 10:57:22 PM
We’ve gone about this in the right order. At least we know any incoming manager has been approved by Brands.

Given the way all the dominoes have fallen over the last 24 hrs I expect the incoming manager has already been approved by Brands and the board. In fact I’d expect there’s been preliminary talks been the two about targets and strategies as well.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: dunkster on May 16, 2018, 10:57:52 PM
So assuming ive read right and he's joining June 1st and he apparently will come in and choose the manager, are we therefore not expecting any manager news for 2 weeks?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: sirblue57 on May 16, 2018, 10:58:08 PM
Its like we are a professional outfit at last..
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: School of Science on May 16, 2018, 11:02:02 PM
Christ was it the other day that Allardyce mentioned in a SSN interview that he wouldn't mind working with Marcel Brands, well Brands has given him his answer, the same day Sam's sacked, Brands takes the job.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Cozzie on May 16, 2018, 11:03:04 PM
Great news.

Absolutely PMSL, ROFL & LMFAO at Walsh leaving the club, what an absolute bag of shite he was.

Its good that it seems Brands is going to have a major say in the next managerial appointment which is how it should be.

Get in, got my first Everton hard on in ages.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: blargins on May 16, 2018, 11:05:08 PM
It feels like last summer again :)
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on May 16, 2018, 11:05:16 PM
Walsh gone completely has made my day.  I didn't want him lingering, even in a basement office playing solitaire.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on May 16, 2018, 11:06:49 PM
Yeah, I'm not going to pass any judgment — good or bad — on any of the new personnel we're bringing in.

I'm just pleased that we appear to be doing things in an organized and coherent way, which is all I can really ask for from the people who run club.
Indeed, none of these appointments guarantee success but they prove that Moshiri is prepared to rip it up and start again. He’s essentially held his hands up to what proceeded and gone ‘right, let’s do this fucking properly this time’.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Jimmywhack on May 16, 2018, 11:07:04 PM
Today has been a good day
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: bluenuck on May 16, 2018, 11:09:13 PM
Walsh gone!!
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Gash on May 16, 2018, 11:10:00 PM
Indeed, none of these appointments guarantee success but they prove that Moshiri is prepared to rip it up and start again. He’s essentially held his hands up to what proceeded and gone ‘right, let’s do this fucking properly this time’.

That's why I told you to calm down yesterday. ;)

Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on May 16, 2018, 11:11:54 PM
One can always end up with "good process, bad result" but at least we got "good process" right, so far.  All you can do.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Gash on May 16, 2018, 11:13:08 PM
Just got a text from a Man Utd fan about Brands, "another proven Premier League man". Why are people so obsessed with Premier League experience? Even the proven people had to start somewhere, it's that kind of mentality that keeps getting people like Allardyce and Pardew jobs.

If everyone relied on Premier League experience sooner or later there'd be no one left. Have a bit of ambition and bravery for fucksake.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Grand Master C on May 16, 2018, 11:16:31 PM
Brands selecting the new manager? Let's hope we don't see this...

(https://www.sportlineng.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/brands_marcel_van_gaal_54_Diashow.jpg)

Kevin Bacon and Van Gaal ??
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Gary1878 on May 16, 2018, 11:16:57 PM
This guy has got a serious track record of success. His biggest challenge will be helping to pick the right manager. Hopefully we can get it right this time around!
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Alanvideo on May 16, 2018, 11:18:56 PM
Walsh gone!!
.................yes ,confirmed by Denise B-B . Steve Walsh has left the club .Kinell it's like night of the long knives.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on May 16, 2018, 11:19:22 PM
.................yes ,confirmed by Denise B-B . Steve Walsh has left the club .Kinell it's like night of the long knives.

Nice historical reference.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on May 16, 2018, 11:28:39 PM
Just got a text from a Man Utd fan about Brands, "another proven Premier League man". Why are people so obsessed with Premier League experience? Even the proven people had to start somewhere, it's that kind of mentality that keeps get people like Allardyce and Pardew jobs.

If everyone relied on Premier League experience sooner or later there'd be no one left. Have a bit of ambition and bravery for fucksake.

especially if you want a DoF, for fuck's sake!
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on May 16, 2018, 11:48:35 PM
Shame, Walsh would have made a good head scout.

Edit: obvs I’m delighted about Brands.....
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: dunkster on May 16, 2018, 11:50:09 PM
So assuming brands is now in charge of players sales in and out. Should be interesting to see what he has in mind for rooney
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on May 16, 2018, 11:51:48 PM
Today has been a good day



Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Lxxx on May 17, 2018, 12:06:35 AM
 




Bollocks beat me to it.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Toffee1 on May 17, 2018, 12:29:39 AM
Was just thinking about the last day and some of the lyrics here especially the chorus sum it up nicely.

Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 17, 2018, 12:34:37 AM
So assuming brands is now in charge of players sales in and out. Should be interesting to see what he has in mind for rooney

Hopefully he’s booked him his flights for America.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: blargins on May 17, 2018, 12:51:58 AM
Shame, Walsh would have made a good head scout.

Edit: obvs I’m delighted about Brands.....

I'm not sure I could stick around a place where I'd been demoted though.

It's right for both parties he leaves.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: American Evertonian on May 17, 2018, 12:54:52 AM
Walsh gone completely has made my day.  I didn't want him lingering, even in a basement office playing solitaire.

Unless someone can show me concrete evidence otherwise, I have to assume that's what he was hired to do in the first place.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Cassius on May 17, 2018, 01:20:13 AM
I'm delighted about today's changes and I'm trying to work out if I feel a bit sorry for Steve Walsh.

I don't think I do as he was truly dogshit at the DoF role. But was he ever really given a chance to do it properly or was he given the head of scouting role under a different job title? How much influence did he have in some of the signings? How much influence did he have in Sam's appointment?

Whatever it was it didn't work out and I'm glad he's gone and we're bringing in a new man who will be doing a proper DoF role.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Mayor Farnum on May 17, 2018, 01:23:31 AM
Walsh had neither the conviction or personality to be a DoF. Already Brands has shown more leadership than Walsh managed in twelve months and two transfer windows.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Toffee1 on May 17, 2018, 01:35:18 AM
https://www.psv.nl/english-psv/news/article/marcel-brands-joins-everton.htm
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: toffee_scot on May 17, 2018, 01:35:21 AM
I take it Walsh's pitch to the board to sign Phil Jones, Wilshere, Yaya Toure and splashing the cash on Jamie Vardy didn't go down too well.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Toffee1 on May 17, 2018, 01:40:19 AM
I take it Walsh's pitch to the board to sign Phil Jones, Wilshere, Yaya Toure and splashing the cash on Jamie Vardy didn't go down too well.

Like your new avatar mate.

He tried and failed and now we have a proper Director of Football. He will no doubt get a job wherever Allardyce or Shakespeare end up.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: arteta4spain on May 17, 2018, 01:43:19 AM

Bollocks beat me to it.
Same!
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Makis on May 17, 2018, 02:05:00 AM
Just got a text from a Man Utd fan about Brands, "another proven Premier League man". Why are people so obsessed with Premier League experience? Even the proven people had to start somewhere, it's that kind of mentality that keeps getting people like Allardyce and Pardew jobs.

If everyone relied on Premier League experience sooner or later there'd be no one left. Have a bit of ambition and bravery for fucksake.
Walsh was "proven Premier League man"...
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: blue slug on May 17, 2018, 02:08:26 AM
There’s loads of prem proven managers that are utter shite, much rather try and fail trying something different
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Macca77 on May 17, 2018, 02:20:04 AM
Walsh had a couple of nice holidays on us so it's not all bad for him
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: blue slug on May 17, 2018, 02:21:57 AM
Just been reading an article in the echo that Sam is disgusted by Everton and not being told about the reshuffle 😆 ah gravy chops how i will miss you
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on May 17, 2018, 03:18:54 AM
Just been reading an article in the echo that Sam is disgusted by Everton and not being told about the reshuffle 😆 ah gravy chops how i will miss you

Don’t believe for one minute that he’s the only person on this planet that didn’t see what was coming. He’s as big a bullshit merchant and Bobby Brownshoes.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: van der Meyde on May 17, 2018, 03:24:27 AM
Walsh was "proven Premier League man"...
And so were Koeman and Allardyce.

And most of the players we've signed who've performed so well this season.

I'm not sure I get that comment at all.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: brap2 on May 17, 2018, 03:29:30 AM
Don’t believe for one minute that he’s the only person on this planet that didn’t see what was coming. He’s as big a bullshit merchant and Bobby Brownshoes.

I think he was playing for it all along.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Escla on May 17, 2018, 03:32:05 AM
I think he was playing for it all along.
He knew, and the Board knew, the day he signed an 18 month contract that he would be gone by the end of the season barring European qualification.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Jamokachi on May 17, 2018, 04:17:18 AM
Bloody brilliant news to wake up to!

Walsh was obviously out after Allardyce said in his mind meltdown that no one had told him or "my DOF" about changes at boardroom level.

See ya Walsh, don't let the door smack you in the arse on your way out!
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: American Evertonian on May 17, 2018, 04:19:15 AM
Walsh had a couple of nice holidays on us so it's not all bad for him

Like that trip to Milan to negotiate sales.....Apprently just for Italian suits and not Italian players.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Cozzie on May 17, 2018, 04:40:32 AM
The fact that Walsh only got a small footnote says it all about his time here at the club and how he was ultimately regarded.

A pure unadulterated bag of shite.

You can say a lot of things about Moshiri but you can't deny his ruthlessness.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: blue slug on May 17, 2018, 04:45:14 AM
Walsh contributed fuck all
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: bogie on May 17, 2018, 07:46:37 AM
window open for 1hr 45 mins what's this new guy playing at ffs
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Ramjam on May 17, 2018, 08:02:09 AM
window open for 1hr 45 mins what's this new guy playing at ffs
He’s calculating the pay offs to BFS, WFS, BFC and Walsh then he’ll have a look at what’s left before signing Glasgow Rangers rejects
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Lxxx on May 17, 2018, 02:00:08 PM
Brands is actually older than Steve Walsh but to look at you'd think Walsh was his dad. Now I'm not superficial at all but I'd much rather a sexy older bloke as the face of my club than someone who looks like he would be propping up the bar in the local legion.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Trowel on May 17, 2018, 02:01:25 PM
“Everton first contacted my two years ago via Mino Raiola and since that moment I maintained contact with the owner and chairman.

“Everton are planning to have a different model and they are trying to get Everton to reach a higher level in the coming years. I am not going to Everton to change their culture. We must keep the culture that Everton have. We just want to improve things.

“I spoke to Ronald Koeman in the times that I have seen him here at Eredivisie matches and we spoke about Everton. His opinion was that it will not be easy but that Everton are a great club with fantastic people.@

http://www.football-oranje.com/marcel-brands-everton-is-a-great-chance-for-me/
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Macca77 on May 17, 2018, 02:27:04 PM
Just read that Brands and whoever the new manager is will be given 100+ million to spend on transfers
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Lazarou on May 17, 2018, 02:35:07 PM
Just read that Brands and whoever the new manager is will be given 100+ million to spend on transfers

5 years ago I would be creaming myself over that, but these days whats £100 million two or three decent players?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Brownie on May 17, 2018, 02:35:25 PM
Brands is actually older than Steve Walsh but to look at you'd think Walsh was his dad. Now I'm not superficial at all but I'd much rather a sexy older bloke as the face of my club than someone who looks like he would be propping up the bar in the local legion.

Nothing wrong with propping up the bar in the local Legion. Been doing that since I was 18
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Macca77 on May 17, 2018, 02:38:03 PM
5 years ago I would be creaming myself over that, but these days whats £100 million two or three decent players?

Will probably be more after player sales, its just a ball park figure really
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: TheRam on May 17, 2018, 02:43:16 PM
5 years ago I would be creaming myself over that, but these days whats £100 million two or three decent players?

With a good director of football, a good scouting system and good contacts it could be anything.

Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Macca77 on May 17, 2018, 02:45:27 PM
With a good director of football, a good scouting system and good contacts it could be anything.

Mino Raiola
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Cereal Killer on May 17, 2018, 02:51:45 PM
Mino Raiola

So £100m will get us one player and a hefty 'agent fee'
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: dunkster on May 17, 2018, 02:51:57 PM
That 100million comment came from an article from paper in Holland. Which also claims usmanov is looking to sell his shares and invest in everton.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: dunkster on May 17, 2018, 02:54:21 PM
De Telegraaf quote the man himself as saying all the right things: “The amounts used in England and also at Everton are totally different than in the Netherlands. The market forces we know here are also there, but with much larger amounts. The greater the amounts, the greater the responsibility that is associated with this. Sometimes it seems like big money makes you a little lazy, but I don’t think I’m lazy.”

The Dutch newspaper also go over the Mino Raiola connection, and say Everton now want the agent to help them move forward. That’s being pushed by Farhad Moshiri and Alisher Usmanov, with it also being stated the latter now wants to get rid of his Arsenal shares and could invest in Everton.

Raiola played a ‘major role’ in getting the now former-PSV man to Everton, and Brands confirmed: “The first contact has come via Mino, but not for the rest. Mino is a good friend of mine. He has been that since my RKC-time.”

Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Lazarou on May 17, 2018, 02:56:01 PM
With a good director of football, a good scouting system and good contacts it could be anything.

Probably sounded a bit negative then, which I am far from being it's just the figures needed to make a move up the league have gone even further into the stratosphere. Who would have thought Kyle Walker would be worth £50 million, he has had a good season but £50 million!

I even fired FM18 up for the first time since Allardyce was appointed not even looked at it since then, that's how much it ruined professional football for me.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on May 17, 2018, 03:01:20 PM
Been thinking about Brands a fair bit, and overall I think this might be the most important appointment the club has made since Moshiri arrived.

Obviously the nature of his role and remit mean that it's fundamentally important anyway. But more than that, he is a reputable guy who clearly was very happy at PSV and wasn't particularly pimping himself out for jobs by all accounts. He said as much, in saying that it took a lot to make him consider leaving what he had at PSV.

So yeah, as a reputable dude, who was quite happy carrying on his existing role, we had to sell him and convince him of something significant. And to sell such a big lifestyle change like that to a reputable fella who is happy where he is, you can't be a mickey mouse operation, or come across as a mickey mouse operation in any way. He would sniff out any Tony Fernandes style offer in a heartbeat, because he knows what a proper football setup looks like. Therefore, this does reflect very well on Moshiri, in my view.

I wanted to make this point because I grew very tired of some people comparing Moshiri to Tony Fernandes and the like, when things were a bit grim. I think that's grossly unfair. Obviously he's not been perfect (who is?), and there's been mistakes along the way, but this fella has ploughed money in, has backed his managers with money (unlike plenty of other chairmen/owners) and is willing to change things when they're clearly not working. Big fan of his.

Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Macca77 on May 17, 2018, 03:14:44 PM
Been thinking about Brands a fair bit, and overall I think this might be the most important appointment the club has made since Moshiri arrived.

Obviously the nature of his role and remit mean that it's fundamentally important anyway. But more than that, he is a reputable guy who clearly was very happy at PSV and wasn't particularly pimping himself out for jobs by all accounts. He said as much, in saying that it took a lot to make him consider leaving what he had at PSV.

So yeah, as a reputable dude, who was quite happy carrying on his existing role, we had to sell him and convince him of something significant. And to sell such a big lifestyle change like that to a reputable fella who is happy where he is, you can't be a mickey mouse operation, or come across as a mickey mouse operation in any way. He would sniff out any Tony Fernandes style offer in a heartbeat, because he knows what a proper football setup looks like. Therefore, this does reflect very well on Moshiri, in my view.

I wanted to make this point because I grew very tired of some people comparing Moshiri to Tony Fernandes and the like, when things were a bit grim. I think that's grossly unfair. Obviously he's not been perfect (who is?), and there's been mistakes along the way, but this fella has ploughed money in, has backed his managers with money (unlike plenty of other chairmen/owners) and is willing to change things when they're clearly not working. Big fan of his.

Spot on.

Yesterdays actions has also shown that Moshiri has clearly learned from the mistakes that have been made
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Ramjam on May 17, 2018, 03:15:34 PM
Moshiri has got just about every footballing decision wrong in his first two years in charge, it now seems like he’s learned from his mistakes as he appoints high profile personal around him to make the decisions on his behalf moving forward, must say I like what he’s done and long may it continue
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on May 17, 2018, 03:22:41 PM
Moshiri has got just about every footballing decision wrong in his first two years in charge, it now seems like he’s learned from his mistakes as he appoints high profile personal around him to make the decisions on his behalf moving forward, must say I like what he’s done and long may it continue

Even that's a bit unfair. Got rid of Martinez sharpish, which was massively popular and correct. Most people were quite happy with Koeman and from the outside it seemed a sound, ambitious appointment. Alright Steve Walsh takes some defending, and I'm not even going to attempt that.

Even Allardyce is justifiable to some extent, even though many of us were massively against it. It clearly was just a six month gig to ensure nothing catastrophic happened while we're trying to invest and put a stadium package together. It looks to me like Moshiri just went 'right, let's write this season off, get mid-table with some neanderthal manager, and put a proper package in place to start the season after'.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Alanvideo on May 17, 2018, 03:25:47 PM
Moshiri has got just about every footballing decision wrong in his first two years in charge, it now seems like he’s learned from his mistakes as he appoints high profile personal around him to make the decisions on his behalf moving forward, must say I like what he’s done and long may it continue
...........................maybe he's just stopped being guided by Kenwright ? I think BK stayed on to ease Moshiri into the world of football but we are now starting to see better business decisions.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on May 17, 2018, 03:25:54 PM
So, who’s he bringing with him, player-wise from PSV?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Ramjam on May 17, 2018, 03:27:02 PM
Even that's a bit unfair. Got rid of Martinez sharpish, which was massively popular and correct. Most people were quite happy with Koeman and from the outside it seemed a sound, ambitious appointment. Alright Steve Walsh takes some defending, and I'm not even going to attempt that.

Even Allardyce is justifiable to some extent, even though many of us were massively against it. It clearly was just a six month gig to ensure nothing catastrophic happened while we're trying to invest and put a stadium package together. It looks to me like Moshiri just went 'right, let's write this season off, get mid-table with some neanderthal manager, and put a proper package in place to start the season after'.
I’ll go with that
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on May 17, 2018, 03:31:00 PM
I’ll go with that

The thing is, if only we'd known. I wish he could've told us. It would've been a lot more bearable this season, if we knew for definite that the narcissist would be sent on his way, and there would be a new direction with some thought behind it. The sheer terror that we might just be in for another 12 months of it was unthinkable.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Lxxx on May 17, 2018, 03:35:00 PM
Been thinking about Brands a fair bit, and overall I think this might be the most important appointment the club has made since Moshiri arrived.

Obviously the nature of his role and remit mean that it's fundamentally important anyway. But more than that, he is a reputable guy who clearly was very happy at PSV and wasn't particularly pimping himself out for jobs by all accounts. He said as much, in saying that it took a lot to make him consider leaving what he had at PSV.

So yeah, as a reputable dude, who was quite happy carrying on his existing role, we had to sell him and convince him of something significant. And to sell such a big lifestyle change like that to a reputable fella who is happy where he is, you can't be a mickey mouse operation, or come across as a mickey mouse operation in any way. He would sniff out any Tony Fernandes style offer in a heartbeat, because he knows what a proper football setup looks like. Therefore, this does reflect very well on Moshiri, in my view.

I wanted to make this point because I grew very tired of some people comparing Moshiri to Tony Fernandes and the like, when things were a bit grim. I think that's grossly unfair. Obviously he's not been perfect (who is?), and there's been mistakes along the way, but this fella has ploughed money in, has backed his managers with money (unlike plenty of other chairmen/owners) and is willing to change things when they're clearly not working. Big fan of his.



All good points but you can only judge as you find and he has been found wanting up to now in a number of areas. This time last week he was responsible for two disastrous managerial appointments, a sham of a Director of Football decision seemingly made on a whim and some dubious at best, totally embarrassing at worst, media gaffes.

That's not to say he hasn't learnt from his mistakes, which it looks as if he has in delegating responsibility for football matters now to someone who understands the game better than him. There's a lot of good things about him and he looks committed to the long term plan which he's obviously sold to Brands, which is commendable. If we now get a proper structure in place to enable better performances in every aspect of the football side then it's great news.

He's had teething problems and it looks like he's now rectifying them but we shouldn't forget the speed in which things have unravelled under his watch either. Hopefully this is a fresh start though and a new club in effect from here on in.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: van der Meyde on May 17, 2018, 03:42:22 PM
So yeah, as a reputable dude, who was quite happy carrying on his existing role, we had to sell him and convince him of something significant. And to sell such a big lifestyle change like that to a reputable fella who is happy where he is, you can't be a mickey mouse operation, or come across as a mickey mouse operation in any way. He would sniff out any Tony Fernandes style offer in a heartbeat, because he knows what a proper football setup looks like. Therefore, this does reflect very well on Moshiri, in my view.
I'm not sure a lifestyle change that involves "more than doubling" his salary* requires much selling personally. :)

I definitely prefer your interpretation of it though!

* https://www.telegraaf.nl/sport/2046854/100-miljoen-voor-brands
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Mick 1995 on May 17, 2018, 03:44:34 PM
We don't have a "transfer budget". Mainly because you don't pay for players in their entirety up front.

Every year the papers publish this bullshit.

We don't have a "warchest". If we want a player, the funds will be made available.

Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on May 17, 2018, 03:52:40 PM
We don't have a "transfer budget". Mainly because you don't pay for players in their entirety up front.

Every year the papers publish this bullshit.

We don't have a "warchest". If we want a player, the funds will be made available.



True

Our biggest problem is being able to attract the players we can now afford.

Stinks of Man city pre-glory days.

I’d be happy to follow that path though.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Makis on May 17, 2018, 03:57:59 PM
So, who’s he bringing with him, player-wise from PSV?
Lozano, please.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Lxxx on May 17, 2018, 04:19:03 PM
True

Our biggest problem is being able to attract the players we can now afford.

Stinks of Man city pre-glory days.

I’d be happy to follow that path though.


Or go the other way and create a club that is attractive to players who are hungry enough to see us a potential stepping stone to the bigger clubs. Lukaku worked out well for us, he progressed and delivered while he was here we just wasted the money instead of identifying the next one. Same with Stones.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Django on May 17, 2018, 04:30:23 PM
Hearing two different accounts here.

Brands has got Rooney to stay next season.

Alternatively, he's off to DC United, was all sorted yesterday 3 1/2 year deal and gonna do his badges.

Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Lxxx on May 17, 2018, 04:32:28 PM
Hearing two different accounts here.

Brands has got Rooney to stay next season.

Alternatively, he's off to DC United, was all sorted yesterday 3 1/2 year deal and gonna do his badges.



I reckon one of them is correct.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Paddockoldie on May 17, 2018, 04:36:36 PM
I reckon one of them is correct.

There's always a third way with Everton mate.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: TheRam on May 17, 2018, 04:52:09 PM
Reliable Twitter accounts say he's gone.

Jim white says he's heard from the club he's staying.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Macca77 on May 17, 2018, 04:53:45 PM
Deal done a few ago according to some, deffo gone.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Ramjam on May 17, 2018, 04:55:02 PM
There won’t be much game time for him next season regardless who we appoint
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: arteta4spain on May 17, 2018, 05:01:25 PM
Reliable Twitter accounts say he's gone.

Jim white says he's heard from the club he's staying.
Jesus he’s only been in the job a day! 🤦‍♂️
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: brap2 on May 17, 2018, 05:44:12 PM
Probably sounded a bit negative then, which I am far from being it's just the figures needed to make a move up the league have gone even further into the stratosphere. Who would have thought Kyle Walker would be worth £50 million, he has had a good season but £50 million!

I even fired FM18 up for the first time since Allardyce was appointed not even looked at it since then, that's how much it ruined professional football for me.

Been thinking about getting it!
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Lxxx on May 17, 2018, 05:50:13 PM
Probably sounded a bit negative then, which I am far from being it's just the figures needed to make a move up the league have gone even further into the stratosphere. Who would have thought Kyle Walker would be worth £50 million, he has had a good season but £50 million!

I even fired FM18 up for the first time since Allardyce was appointed not even looked at it since then, that's how much it ruined professional football for me.

So we create the right environment to identify and nurture the next Kyle Walker then and play in a style that makes it easier for them to progress. Danny Rose will probably go for £50m this summer too. Stones went for £50m. Lukaku £100m all in. There's a sustainable business model there which enhances performance on the pitch too with young ambitious players.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: blargins on May 17, 2018, 06:05:10 PM
Maybe he's going to do what Australian cricketers do. He'll play for us in the winter when our season is on and in the MLS in the summer when that season is on. And I guess when the season's overlap, he'll go back and forth as needed. Kind of like a flying sub.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Cereal Killer on May 17, 2018, 06:58:57 PM
Maybe he's going to do what Australian cricketers do. He'll play for us in the winter when our season is on and in the MLS in the summer when that season is on. And I guess when the season's overlap, he'll go back and forth as needed. Kind of like a flying sub.

 lolol

If only he had the legs for it!
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Toddacelli on May 17, 2018, 08:54:25 PM
lolol

If only he had the legs for it!

You don't fly with your legs - you flap your arms!


Some people are so dumb!
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Escla on May 17, 2018, 11:43:51 PM
Maybe he's going to do what Australian cricketers do. He'll play for us in the winter when our season is on and in the MLS in the summer when that season is on. And I guess when the season's overlap, he'll go back and forth as needed. Kind of like a flying sub.

You mean do a Landon Donovan.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: brap2 on May 18, 2018, 02:48:37 AM
https://twitter.com/thomasschaling/status/997066852483387394?s=21

PSV scout with good reviews about Brands
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: toffee_scot on May 19, 2018, 05:18:27 AM
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/marcel-brands-outlines-everton-vision-14668895

“Everton are planning to have a different model and they are trying to get Everton to reach a higher level in the coming years.

"I am not going to Everton to change their culture. We must keep the culture that Everton have. We just want to improve things."

I wonder what he means by "culture".

Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Goaljira on May 19, 2018, 01:27:10 PM
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/marcel-brands-outlines-everton-vision-14668895

“Everton are planning to have a different model and they are trying to get Everton to reach a higher level in the coming years.

"I am not going to Everton to change their culture. We must keep the culture that Everton have. We just want to improve things."

I wonder what he means by "culture".



We're bringing the Super Lamb Bananas back.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: School of Science on May 19, 2018, 02:52:59 PM
Not going overboard about our new DOF, after the appointments of Walsh and Koeman previously I'll keep my powder dry this time. Wish him all the luck in the world of course.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on May 19, 2018, 03:19:13 PM
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/marcel-brands-outlines-everton-vision-14668895

“Everton are planning to have a different model and they are trying to get Everton to reach a higher level in the coming years.

"I am not going to Everton to change their culture. We must keep the culture that Everton have. We just want to improve things."

I wonder what he means by "culture".



NSNO
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Mayor Farnum on May 19, 2018, 05:48:35 PM
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/marcel-brands-outlines-everton-vision-14668895

“Everton are planning to have a different model and they are trying to get Everton to reach a higher level in the coming years.

"I am not going to Everton to change their culture. We must keep the culture that Everton have. We just want to improve things."

I wonder what he means by "culture".



There's a couple of yogurts in the fridge.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: SANA_DR0 on May 19, 2018, 06:16:31 PM
Brands/Silva/Railo

not a bad trinity that.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: gizzblue on May 19, 2018, 09:20:20 PM
There's a couple of yogurts in the fridge.

Quite a few unfiltered yoghurts on here too :badum:
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Trublue on May 19, 2018, 10:40:50 PM
I can only think, by culture he means a big club but withheld family home town club feeling. 
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on May 23, 2018, 11:30:17 PM
https://twitter.com/Everton/status/999320203178790912
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on May 23, 2018, 11:32:07 PM
Haha. Love the Alpha Male strut down the corridor.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Jimmywhack on May 23, 2018, 11:32:54 PM
He's a big unit
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on May 23, 2018, 11:33:35 PM
He's a big unit

He walks like he's packing a big unit.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: sam of the south on May 23, 2018, 11:33:45 PM
A big, beautiful, blonde bastard in beige 💥
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: hannu on May 23, 2018, 11:34:14 PM
bit mad he is doing that from psv's stadium, psv obviously not bitter about it
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: TheRam on May 23, 2018, 11:39:40 PM
Bet he would look stunning down the docks with a bottle of peroni.

Can't remember Steve Walsh coming out with anything remotely similar to what Brands said there.

Good stuff to read that
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: TheRam on May 23, 2018, 11:43:39 PM
Telegraph also reporting he's going to have talks with Lookman to persuade him to stay here.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on May 23, 2018, 11:50:11 PM
http://www.evertonfc.com/evertontv/archive/2018/05/23/watch-brands-on-his-everton-blueprint-and-new-manager
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: brap2 on May 23, 2018, 11:59:29 PM
Haha. Love the Alpha Male strut down the corridor.

Looks like vince McMahon
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: TheRam on May 24, 2018, 12:09:07 AM
Looks like vince McMahon

Wayne Lineker.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Fynci on May 24, 2018, 12:24:35 AM
http://www.evertonfc.com/evertontv/archive/2018/05/23/watch-brands-on-his-everton-blueprint-and-new-manager

His Dutch accent is almost as good as Steve McClaren.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Toffee1 on May 24, 2018, 12:24:55 AM
Bet he would look stunning down the docks with a bottle of peroni.

Can't remember Steve Walsh coming out with anything remotely similar to what Brands said there.

Good stuff to read that


Steve Walsh modelled his buying and selling technique on this.

Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: gizzblue on May 24, 2018, 12:33:03 AM
Loving the talk about the youngsters and the academy .....music to the ears, when we've had dinosaurs shipping our best next prospects out

He's got his work cut out but for once I'm confident Everton have got the right man ....this time.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Toffee1 on May 24, 2018, 12:38:58 AM
I also liked this quote from him.

"I will take care of the long-term strategy but the first job now is to find a manager as soon as possible and straight away go to work with the squad.”

Unlike Walsh he has experience of this role and has a clear idea and vision of what is needed here. It will probably take a bit of time to get fully implemented but Brands, knows what is needed and more importantly how to do it.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Goaljira on May 24, 2018, 12:50:58 AM
https://twitter.com/Everton/status/999320203178790912

Thats a proper Vince McMahon walk down the corridor there!

@brap2 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=666)  beat me to it.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Goaljira on May 24, 2018, 12:53:58 AM
Bet he would look stunning down the docks with a bottle of peroni.

Can't remember Steve Walsh coming out with anything remotely similar to what Brands said there.

Good stuff to read that

Can you remember Walsh saying anything let alone anything interesting. ☆
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Silas on May 24, 2018, 01:25:44 AM
Increasingly clear Walsh was out of his depth in the role
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Waltzer on May 24, 2018, 01:37:22 AM
I know its easy to bash someone when they clearly failed, like Walsh did in not getting a Lukaku replacement, but when you break it down he also did some good stuff and did a lot of the things Brands has discussed. He invested massively in youth getting Lookman, Vlasic, Sandro, Bowler, Donkor, Onyekuru these were some of the most sought after kids around and we got them. Yes the Lukaku thing effectively cost us our season and for that alone he should've gone immediately, but when you look at that list he also contributed a lot and it wasnt his fault that managers didnt chose to play them.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: GLewis on May 24, 2018, 01:49:54 AM
I know its easy to bash someone when they clearly failed, like Walsh did in not getting a Lukaku replacement, but when you break it down he also did some good stuff and did a lot of the things Brands has discussed. He invested massively in youth getting Lookman, Vlasic, Sandro, Bowler, Donkor, Onyekuru these were some of the most sought after kids around and we got them. Yes the Lukaku thing effectively cost us our season and for that alone he should've gone immediately, but when you look at that list he also contributed a lot and it wasnt his fault that managers didnt chose to play them.

Yes.

But it’s his presence, or lack of that’s apparent.

He clearly didn’t have the clout or willingness to impose on the managers what the club’s wishes were etc.

A DoF is also a key person for expressing what the club wants to do from a footballing angle and you rarely heard anything from him.

I know they’re only words but Brands is immediately setting his stall out re managers and that we need to compete. It’s laying down the marker everyone else in the hierarchy.

Doesn’t seem like he (Walsh) progressed from being a scout.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Silas on May 24, 2018, 01:52:21 AM
Chief scout would have been a decent job for him
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Gash on May 24, 2018, 01:53:42 AM
Speaks well doesn't he, comes across with an air of authority about him, you can tell he gets things done. Nice to hear him mention long term plans as well, that's something Silva needs to get on board with if he comes, he can't just keep doing short term jobs, which probably works in our favour, sooner rather than later Silva's going to have to prove that he can build a team and put together 2-3 decent seasons.

The only slight concern is that jacket looks like it might just be a bawhair too small but we can live with that. :)
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 24, 2018, 01:55:12 AM
I feel a bit sorry for Walsh. Think every other cunt at the club wanted to do a bit of his job and the thing he was most guilty of was being a bit weak. The board have to take a lot of the blame too for allowing it to happen
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Macca77 on May 24, 2018, 01:55:13 AM
He's just smashing isn't he
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Paddockoldie on May 24, 2018, 02:02:11 AM
Speaks well doesn't he, comes across with an air of authority about him, you can tell he gets things done. Nice to hear him mention long term plans as well, that's something Silva needs to get on board with if he comes, he can't just keep doing short term jobs, which probably works in our favour, sooner rather than later Silva's going to have to prove that he can build a team and put together 2-3 decent seasons.

The only slight concern is that jacket looks like it might just be a bawhair too small but we can live with that. :)

Silva hasn't been touched by the 'Ball' yet. When he does nothing will be the same. If he's good enough I think he'll stay around, especially if he gets the backing and crowd support.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: blue slug on May 24, 2018, 02:03:25 AM
Think I love marcel already, think he’s going to do a great job
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Alex6691 on May 24, 2018, 02:03:29 AM

Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on May 24, 2018, 02:04:20 AM
I feel a bit sorry for Walsh. Think every other cunt at the club wanted to do a bit of his job and the thing he was most guilty of was being a bit weak. The board have to take a lot of the blame too for allowing it to happen

No left back replacement all season? No striker replacement? Bidding big money for Moussa Sissokho?

He got a big pay day, and a right cushy number here and performed lamentably. Sod him.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: blue slug on May 24, 2018, 02:07:24 AM
I can’t think of any reason to feel sorry for Walsh he’s useless
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 24, 2018, 02:18:59 AM
No left back replacement all season? No striker replacement? Bidding big money for Moussa Sissokho?

He got a big pay day, and a right cushy number here and performed lamentably. Sod him.

I might be completely wrong but I hold koeman responsible. I think he ended up with a small shortlist of strikers none of which proved possible. Obviously I don’t feel sorry for him in real terms. Like you say he won’t starve cos we sacked him. Just don’t think we gave him the best opportunity to succeed
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Jimmywhack on May 24, 2018, 02:26:01 AM
I might be completely wrong but I hold koeman responsible. I think he ended up with a small shortlist of strikers none of which proved possible. Obviously I don't feel sorry for him in real terms. Like you say he won't starve cos we sacked him. Just don't think we gave him the best opportunity to succeed
He had to be stronger, he was too weak
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: brap2 on May 24, 2018, 02:59:26 AM
http://www.evertonfc.com/evertontv/archive/2018/05/23/watch-brands-on-his-everton-blueprint-and-new-manager

Oh my god I think I might be in love
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Lxxx on May 24, 2018, 04:51:00 AM
Fills that jacket and those trousers doesn’t he. All the women in the office are defo putting an extra layer of slap on before they come in work starting from next week.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Lazarou on May 24, 2018, 02:45:47 PM
Talks the talk, walks the walk. Can't see many players or the manager fucking with big Marcel.

(https://media.giphy.com/media/vRf4Z1OZ21j9e/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: brap2 on May 24, 2018, 04:39:38 PM
He does also look like he might be a jet flyin’ kiss stealin’ wheelin’ dealin’ sonovagun
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: sam of the south on May 24, 2018, 05:44:04 PM
There’s gonna be a three in a bed scandal involving BBBB (Big Blonde Beige Brands, I’m going with it) and a couple of WAGS
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bally on May 27, 2018, 12:44:52 AM
Silva hasn't been touched by the 'Ball' yet. When he does nothing will be the same. If he's good enough I think he'll stay around, especially if he gets the backing and crowd support.
I'm not touching anyone!
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Paddockoldie on May 27, 2018, 03:19:14 AM
I'm not touching anyone!

Go on, just a tickle. You know you want to.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Paddockoldie on May 27, 2018, 03:54:46 AM
Well, my weekend just started to look up. Can relax now...
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: sam of the south on May 27, 2018, 03:18:56 PM
I'm not touching anyone!

Yeah, yeah.

Best hugger of all-time according to a lucky few on here.

#jealous 😔
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bally on May 27, 2018, 05:51:44 PM
Yeah, yeah.

Best hugger of all-time according to a lucky few on here.

#jealous
Oh yeah hugging is sound, fucking boss at that, touching, hmm. I suppose in certain circumstances....
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: loroloco on May 29, 2018, 07:09:51 AM
talking to some dutch mates last night and they were telling me about Brands. Big footy fans but they reckon there's nothing really much to talk about with this guy. He's very quiet and apparently quite a nice guy. with regards to his job they reckon he knew the dutch league quite well and worked well with his club. they're  absolutely adamant though that it's a huge risk for everton to sign him because they have no faith that his skills are in any way transferable to premier league standard. essentially, they reckon, that he was decent in Holland but that that doesn't really mean much. when i told them how excited everton fans were to get him they laughed it off. they simply don't get it. none of this means to say they're right of course but listening to guys who follow the dutch league and they don't rate him as anything more than being competent at what he did in Holland. totally different spin on what I've been reading on here. i suppose we'll find out soon enough.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Ramjam on May 29, 2018, 07:22:10 AM
There’s always someone ready to put the boot in at every opportunity. Every single appointment at every single premier league club is a risk.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Jamokachi on May 29, 2018, 08:12:10 AM
cool story
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Waltzer on May 29, 2018, 01:52:19 PM
talking to some dutch mates last night and they were telling me about Brands. Big footy fans but they reckon there's nothing really much to talk about with this guy. He's very quiet and apparently quite a nice guy. with regards to his job they reckon he knew the dutch league quite well and worked well with his club. they're  absolutely adamant though that it's a huge risk for everton to sign him because they have no faith that his skills are in any way transferable to premier league standard. essentially, they reckon, that he was decent in Holland but that that doesn't really mean much. when i told them how excited everton fans were to get him they laughed it off. they simply don't get it. none of this means to say they're right of course but listening to guys who follow the dutch league and they don't rate him as anything more than being competent at what he did in Holland. totally different spin on what I've been reading on here. i suppose we'll find out soon enough.

At this point im firmly sat with your Dutch mates in terms of scepticism but am hopeful he'll prove me wrong
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Cozzie on May 29, 2018, 02:35:54 PM
We are not asking this guy to give us the world, all we merely want him to do is to just simply do his job properly as a director of football.

Walsh failed miserably as he was basically a glorified scout who was way out of his depth and did not know what he was doing.

We have just appointed a guy with over 8 years experience doing the role. I now fully expect us to be run like a business and not a circus like last season.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Lxxx on May 29, 2018, 03:07:40 PM
We are not asking this guy to give us the world, all we merely want him to do is to just simply do his job properly as a director of football.

Walsh failed miserably as he was basically a glorified scout who was way out of his depth and did not know what he was doing.

We have just appointed a guy with over 8 years experience doing the role. I now fully expect us to be run like a business and not a circus like last season.

I think this is the crux of it. We just need him to do the job that it was designed to do. He's not picking or coaching the players, he just needs to put in place a strategy and a system that delivers what the manager and the club needs long term.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on May 29, 2018, 03:46:46 PM
talking to some dutch mates last night and they were telling me about Brands. Big footy fans but they reckon there's nothing really much to talk about with this guy. He's very quiet and apparently quite a nice guy. with regards to his job they reckon he knew the dutch league quite well and worked well with his club. they're  absolutely adamant though that it's a huge risk for everton to sign him because they have no faith that his skills are in any way transferable to premier league standard. essentially, they reckon, that he was decent in Holland but that that doesn't really mean much. when i told them how excited everton fans were to get him they laughed it off. they simply don't get it. none of this means to say they're right of course but listening to guys who follow the dutch league and they don't rate him as anything more than being competent at what he did in Holland. totally different spin on what I've been reading on here. i suppose we'll find out soon enough.

Your friends don't really make sense. Why wouldn't the skills be transferable, from one league to another, if he's doing the same job he's been doing for 8 years at a different club? Of course they're transferable.

Sounds to me like they're being knobs just for the sake of it.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Mick 1995 on May 29, 2018, 04:11:08 PM
Yeah, i'd be fucking made up with a 'competent' DoF.
Imagine having a balanced squad?

If this guy was the main scout & had the only say on buying players then i'd be worried.
But he has the funds to buy whatever scouting network he wants & won't be soft enough to think a player that could storm the Eredivisie would be able to do the same here.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: van der Meyde on May 29, 2018, 05:05:16 PM
Your friends don't really make sense. Why wouldn't the skills be transferable, from one league to another, if he's doing the same job he's been doing for 8 years at a different club? Of course they're transferable.

Sounds to me like they're being knobs just for the sake of it.
The skills of building a squad, overseeing the youth academy etc definitely will be.

I think it's fair to say that talent identification might not be an immediate success though. He had the advantage at PSV of being one of the biggest clubs in the country, which helped him sign the likes of Strootman, Wijnaldum, Mertens etc from smaller clubs who'd already established themselves elsewhere. Though he obviously did well at Alkmaar too, it's not an advantage he has here.

I've got every faith that given his track record he'll prove to be a success long term, but I do worry that - especially given the markets he's historically shopped in and their hit and miss record in the PL - it might take him a bit of time to get a handle on which players will hit the ground running here.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on May 29, 2018, 05:10:30 PM
The skills of building a squad, overseeing the youth academy etc definitely will be.

I think it's fair to say that talent identification might not be an immediate success though. He had the advantage at PSV of being one of the biggest clubs in the country, which helped him sign the likes of Strootman, Wijnaldum, Mertens etc from smaller clubs who'd already established themselves elsewhere. Though he obviously did well at Alkmaar too, it's not an advantage he has here.

I've got every faith that given his track record he'll prove to be a success long term, but I do worry that - especially given the markets he's historically shopped in and their hit and miss record in the PL - it might take him a bit of time to get a handle on which players will hit the ground running here.

Yeah, not expecting him to completely change the club overnight. Everything he's said has contained the word 'long term' numerous times so it might be some time before structural and more fundamental changes are even noticeable.

I take your points, but conversely he will have a higher budget than he had previously so he might also have access to players he would've wanted to sign for PSV but couldn't afford, or perhaps couldn't get them to come to Holland.

I just think saying 'his skills aren't transferable' is a bit of a nonsense comment.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Lxxx on May 29, 2018, 05:58:13 PM
Yeah, not expecting him to completely change the club overnight. Everything he's said has contained the word 'long term' numerous times so it might be some time before structural and more fundamental changes are even noticeable.

I take your points, but conversely he will have a higher budget than he had previously so he might also have access to players he would've wanted to sign for PSV but couldn't afford, or perhaps couldn't get them to come to Holland.

I just think saying 'his skills aren't transferable' is a bit of a nonsense comment.

Yes you would think his methodology, systems, approach and structure would all be transferrable. It's just the details that change.

Walsh was being asked to carry out a role without any existing brief, with no prior knowledge or experience of how to approach it and no-one with any clue looking over his shoulder to tell him if he was even in the right ball park or not.

I'm less concerned about the future now we have someone with experience of forward planning at the helm.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: blargins on May 29, 2018, 06:18:11 PM
8 years experience. We've been in contact over the past 2 years. Appears to know what he's doing. Hell, we're already up on the past couple of years.

Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: loroloco on May 29, 2018, 06:19:14 PM
Yeah, not expecting him to completely change the club overnight. Everything he's said has contained the word 'long term' numerous times so it might be some time before structural and more fundamental changes are even noticeable.

I take your points, but conversely he will have a higher budget than he had previously so he might also have access to players he would've wanted to sign for PSV but couldn't afford, or perhaps couldn't get them to come to Holland.

I just think saying 'his skills aren't transferable' is a bit of a nonsense comment.

they never said his skills weren't transferable. just that there is a doubt that they might not be. seeing so many negative comments about  group of people's opinion is worrying for me. i never said my friends were correct. i was merely pointing out that they follow the division and that they are big fans and know more about brands than i do. it seems that a lot of people are saying that the skills are transferable but we've seen at every single position in a football club, quite often, people just weren't up to the standard, be it players, couches, managers, owners or whatever... even dof. we signed walsh on the back of this huge hype after what he did at leicester and he was pushed out the door because he didn't live up to expectation. there's a lot of hysteria around brands and that often means that when things don't change over night, people get frustrated and start getting on said person's back. there's no one wants him to do well more than me but my mates view of him has just got me thinking that maybe we should just wait and see the proof here at everton before we go building him up to be something that he may not be. i'm not looking for an argument here, and none of this is aimed at you specifically. you know yourself how hype can very quickly turn sour. patience will be key to this man's success. something that evertonians have run out of in recent time. anyway, queue the "me and my mates are a bunch of cunts" chants. how dare i try and put things in context.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: loroloco on May 29, 2018, 06:30:09 PM
sorry. that last bit was quite passive aggressive. not very becoming of a gentleman's discussion.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on May 29, 2018, 06:34:50 PM
they never said his skills weren't transferable. just that there is a doubt that they might not be. seeing so many negative comments about  group of people's opinion is worrying for me. i never said my friends were correct. i was merely pointing out that they follow the division and that they are big fans and know more about brands than i do. it seems that a lot of people are saying that the skills are transferable but we've seen at every single position in a football club, quite often, people just weren't up to the standard, be it players, couches, managers, owners or whatever... even dof. we signed walsh on the back of this huge hype after what he did at leicester and he was pushed out the door because he didn't live up to expectation. there's a lot of hysteria around brands and that often means that when things don't change over night, people get frustrated and start getting on said person's back. there's no one wants him to do well more than me but my mates view of him has just got me thinking that maybe we should just wait and see the proof here at everton before we go building him up to be something that he may not be. i'm not looking for an argument here, and none of this is aimed at you specifically. you know yourself how hype can very quickly turn sour. patience will be key to this man's success. something that evertonians have run out of in recent time. anyway, queue the "me and my mates are a bunch of cunts" chants. how dare i try and put things in context.

No fair enough mate. I didn't mean to have a pop. I just think the skills are definitely transferable, whether it works out of not. And yeah, there's no guarantees. The proof will be in the pudding, and like almost everything else, the quality and effectiveness of the decision making.

And it seems to make much more sense to appoint someone in a job who has been doing that job elsewhere (albeit the nuances of the club and the league are different), rather than appointing an ex-PE teacher who probably couldn't even oversee a decent PE lesson anymore. That's probably a bit harsh on Walsh, but I have very little time or sympathy for the fella given the apparent negligence with which he's carried out his job.

I'm dubious really how much your mates could comment on Brands' performance for PSV, if I'm honest. I mean we're all massively into the Premier League (as your mates are really into the Eredivisie) but how much do we know, or are we able to comment on, the performances of the various DoFs/sporting directors in England realistically? Probably not that much.

Like I say, I don't mean to have a pop and it's interesting to get a different perspective from some Dutch football fans. I'm just a bit dubious as to the content of the perspective, not because it could be potentially negative towards Everton, but because it doesn't really add up to me.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: blargins on May 29, 2018, 06:42:21 PM
The proof will be in the pudding. No one is perfect and we will see how things develop. As has already been said, every appointment is a gamble in all walks of life.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: plumber on May 29, 2018, 07:28:24 PM
they never said his skills weren't transferable. just that there is a doubt that they might not be. seeing so many negative comments about  group of people's opinion is worrying for me. i never said my friends were correct. i was merely pointing out that they follow the division and that they are big fans and know more about brands than i do. it seems that a lot of people are saying that the skills are transferable but we've seen at every single position in a football club, quite often, people just weren't up to the standard, be it players, couches, managers, owners or whatever... even dof. we signed walsh on the back of this huge hype after what he did at leicester and he was pushed out the door because he didn't live up to expectation. there's a lot of hysteria around brands and that often means that when things don't change over night, people get frustrated and start getting on said person's back. there's no one wants him to do well more than me but my mates view of him has just got me thinking that maybe we should just wait and see the proof here at everton before we go building him up to be something that he may not be. i'm not looking for an argument here, and none of this is aimed at you specifically. you know yourself how hype can very quickly turn sour. patience will be key to this man's success. something that evertonians have run out of in recent time. anyway, queue the "me and my mates are a bunch of cunts" chants. how dare i try and put things in context.

It’s nice to see a bit of level-headedness here for a change.
It’s all good we have finally signed a DoF who is actually a DoF and hopefully he’ll be decent, but watching all the hysteria around him you could think we’ve just witnessed  the second coming of Christ.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: TheRam on May 29, 2018, 07:34:17 PM
Don't see any 'hysteria' myself like.

Just positivity that the club is moving in the right direction.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Macca77 on May 29, 2018, 07:40:19 PM
The proof will be in the pudding. No one is perfect and we will see how things develop. As has already been said, every appointment is a gamble in all walks of life.

I beg to differ
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Toddacelli on May 29, 2018, 07:41:26 PM
Haha. Love the Alpha Male strut down the corridor.


Is anyone still in any doubt over who's house this is now?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on May 29, 2018, 07:53:16 PM
It’s nice to see a bit of level-headedness here for a change.
It’s all good we have finally signed a DoF who is actually a DoF and hopefully he’ll be decent, but watching all the hysteria around him you could think we’ve just witnessed  the second coming of Christ.


Hysteria? where?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: plumber on May 29, 2018, 07:59:10 PM
Hysteria? where?

Here. In this thread.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on May 29, 2018, 08:07:28 PM
Here. In this thread.

I think youre over reacting a bit, cant people be excited at the prospect of turning this shit heap of a season around and starting fresh with someone who seems to be capable of doing his job?
Title: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: arteta4spain on May 29, 2018, 08:15:01 PM
I think youre over reacting a bit, cant people be excited at the prospect of turning this shit heap of a season around and starting fresh with someone who seems to be capable of doing his job?
Think that's the proverbial nail on the head. Last season was seen as our "breakthrough” season into the higher echelons of the premier league. The fact it was derailed more or less from the start made such a sudden impact of how we were going to be perceived. Sick of being the underdog and "plucky little Everton”.
Unfortunately it just didn't turn out that way.
Koeman gone and now Walsh too it feels like we're starting to show that ruthlessness that those top sides have when they get it wrong and want to improve.
Hopefully this will happen. But as it's been said it's gonna take a little time. Give Brands the time to implement his ideas and not want him gone when we've lost a few games. As long as there's some kind of plan and structure in place I think we'll start bearing some fruit in the next 9-12 months.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: plumber on May 29, 2018, 08:24:38 PM
Don't see any 'hysteria' myself like.

Just positivity that the club is moving in the right direction.

Each to his own mate. I find all that alpha male, Big Marcel and "have you heard his interview" things a bit cringey.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on May 29, 2018, 09:10:41 PM
Each to his own mate. I find all that alpha male, Big Marcel and "have you heard his interview" things a bit cringey.

Yeah sorry for being excited that things might be changing for the positive at the club. Dunno what we we're thinking.

Much better to be fashionably cynical and distanced like your good self, pouring scoring on anything and everything that might possibly make people a bit happier.

Also, I think you've just made fun of people for wanting to listen to an interview and hearing what the fella has to say. Weird. That ironic detachment must be so enjoyable for you.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Redartin on May 29, 2018, 09:23:05 PM
Each to his own mate. I find all that alpha male, Big Marcel and "have you heard his interview" things a bit cringey.
Cue the arrogant, condescending put downs.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on May 29, 2018, 09:26:42 PM
Cue the arrogant, condescending put downs.

Eyup mucker. How you been keeping?

I think if you look closely, plumber made the first comment which was an attack on others. I am responding in kind, which I don't think plumber can argue with (don't give it out, if you can't take it and all that).

You should think about what you say a bit more, before you say it. It doesn't seem like much thought goes into any of it.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on May 29, 2018, 09:34:03 PM
Yeah sorry for being excited that things might be changing for the positive at the club. Dunno what we we're thinking.

Much better to be fashionably cynical and distanced like your good self, pouring scoring on anything and everything that might possibly make people a bit happier.

Also, I think you've just made fun of people for wanting to listen to an interview and hearing what the fella has to say. Weird. That ironic detachment must be so enjoyable for you.

I have not seen anything beyond cautious optimism and the collective sigh of relief that the dire shite we had in the front office and on the touchline is gone.  Everyone seems well ready for the long-haul rebuild, and patient to lay the foundation for the future.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Redartin on May 29, 2018, 09:41:33 PM
Your friends don't really make sense.
Sounds to me like they're being knobs just for the sake of it.
I just think saying 'his skills aren't transferable' is a bit of a nonsense comment.
Yeah sorry for being excited that things might be changing for the positive at the club. Dunno what we we're thinking.

Much better to be fashionably cynical and distanced like your good self, pouring scoring on anything and everything that might possibly make people a bit happier.

Also, I think you've just made fun of people for wanting to listen to an interview and hearing what the fella has to say. Weird. That ironic detachment must be so enjoyable for you.
You should think about what you say a bit more, before you say it. It doesn't seem like much thought goes into any of it.
You just can't help yourself, can you?
Maybe you should think a bit.

Did the Queen die overnight and someone make you King?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on May 29, 2018, 09:48:28 PM
You just can't help yourself, can you?
Maybe you should think a bit.

Did the Queen die overnight and someone make you King?

I'll indulge you.

You complain about being condescended to A LOT. That's usually indicative of somebody with a massive inferiority complex. Being condescended to is about a power dynamic between two people and the state of mind of the two people speaking. You only get genuinely condescended to, if you allow it to happen, no matter what the other person is saying. So you need to stop allowing yourself to be condescended to or entering conversations with that pre-conceived inferiority complex, and you won't feel that way anymore.

Oh course I can be an arrogant arsehole. I've said as much myself numerous times on here. I mean...you're stating nothing new or insightful there, dude.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Lxxx on May 29, 2018, 09:50:35 PM
Each to his own mate. I find all that alpha male, Big Marcel and "have you heard his interview" things a bit cringey.

It's called humour with a side dish of Partridge thrown in for good measure. You seem like the type of guy who prefers his laughs in an American accent, in which case I can't help you.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on May 29, 2018, 09:52:36 PM
We can all be arrogant assholes sometimes (dunno about arrogant, I hate myself too much for that, but I surely am an asshole).  But BD is one of the nicest folks on here, and has been a very positive force during some awfully dark times.  I for one have appreciated it.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on May 29, 2018, 09:53:32 PM
It's called humour with a side dish of Partridge thrown in for good measure. You seem like the type of guy who prefers his laughs in an American accent, in which case I can't help you.

fookin' ouch! :D
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Fynci on May 29, 2018, 09:54:31 PM
I live and work in Amsterdam and currently work with an AZ fan and an Ajax supporter (who is ridiculously knowledgeable about world football), both sing his praises. Naturally, we will have to see but the talk from my Dutch colleagues differs considerably from what has been posted earlier.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Lxxx on May 29, 2018, 09:55:19 PM
fookin' ouch! :D

Didn't take you long to bite.... :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on May 29, 2018, 09:57:44 PM
We can all be arrogant assholes sometimes (dunno about arrogant, I hate myself too much for that, but I surely am an asshole).  But BD is one of the nicest folks on here, and has been a very positive force during some awfully dark times.  I for one have appreciated it.

Cheers for the kind words, mate. Appreciate it really, but honestly there's no need. He's entitled to have a pop at me, and given that I am opinionated, I have to expect some comeback and disagreement sometimes without moaning about it.

I'm more than happy to argue the toss with that negative, 'poor scorn on everything' attitude all day long, because it's a very easy argument to debunk with basic logic.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Macca77 on May 29, 2018, 10:19:07 PM
We can all be arrogant assholes sometimes (dunno about arrogant, I hate myself too much for that, but I surely am an asshole).  But BD is one of the nicest folks on here, and has been a very positive force during some awfully dark times.  I for one have appreciated it.

I'm not an arsehole, twat yes, but an arsehole I am not  ;D
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Redartin on May 29, 2018, 10:22:00 PM
I'll indulge you.
Thank you Your Highness, I feel so privileged that such a superior being took time to reply.

I hope your "man crush" for Brands continues to prosper, and that your move to Sheffield is successful and that the people of that good city warm to your ways.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Normm on May 29, 2018, 10:24:32 PM
The proof will be in the pudding.

Please! No more pudding!

I've had my fill.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: blargins on May 29, 2018, 10:26:05 PM
Please! No more pudding!

I've had my fill.

As long as you've eaten your meat.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on May 29, 2018, 10:26:49 PM
Thank you Your Highness, I feel so privileged that such a superior being took time to reply.

I hope your "man crush" for Brands continues to prosper, and that your move to Sheffield is successful and that the people of that good city warm to your ways.

Thanks mate. That's much better. There was a bit more belief and self-esteem in that response.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: AllyBlue14 on May 29, 2018, 10:27:11 PM
I'll indulge you.

You complain about being condescended to A LOT. That's usually indicative of somebody with a massive inferiority complex. Being condescended to is about a power dynamic between two people and the state of mind of the two people speaking. You only get genuinely condescended to, if you allow it to happen, no matter what the other person is saying. So you need to stop allowing yourself to be condescended to or entering conversations with that pre-conceived inferiority complex, and you won't feel that way anymore.

Oh course I can be an arrogant arsehole. I've said as much myself numerous times on here. I mean...you're stating nothing new or insightful there, dude.

Bit like saying you're only bullied in the school playground if you allow yourself to be.

You've basically agreed with what he said but made out like it's his shortcoming - like being a self-proclaimed arrogant arsehole is a badge of honour.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: TheRam on May 29, 2018, 10:30:43 PM
Team BD here.

Some people have just seen their arse and needlessly flew off the handle here.

Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: AllyBlue14 on May 29, 2018, 10:30:53 PM
I'm not an arsehole, twat yes, but an arsehole I am not  ;D

If you're a fanny, you could get away with being both. Split personality
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on May 29, 2018, 10:32:37 PM
Bit like saying you're only bullied in the school playground if you allow yourself to be.

You've basically agreed with what he said but made out like it's his shortcoming - like being a self-proclaimed arrogant arsehole is a badge of honour.

I think physical violence is a bit different, because some people are just physically stronger and there's no way to change or overcome that, whereas you can control your mental approach to situations (assuming you're healthy and well, obviously). So I wouldn't say that was the same at all.

I'll give you an example. I meet more intelligent, more successful, more attractive, richer people than me all the time through my job, like probably most of us do, but I'd never let myself be condescended to or even feel condescended to by any of them. Not in an arsey way. I just don't see myself as worse than them (or better than them, for that matter).

In terms of agreeing with him about me being an arrogant arsehole, I said I can be like that, not that I am only that. More of an acknowledgement than wearing a badge and being proud of it. But fair enough, if you see it that way.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Macca77 on May 29, 2018, 10:39:26 PM
If you're a fanny, you could get away with being both. Split personality

That's what he said

No I didn't

Shurrup up you, shithouse.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Jimmywhack on May 29, 2018, 10:48:03 PM
I've not seen any of the hysteria, I have seen people being excited that the club appear to have brought in someone with a decent track record and getting excited after listening to him speak, if you listened it was hard to not be impressed him.

I know in general we are pessimists as blues so let's just see how it turns our, I for one am excited and hopeful
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: plumber on May 29, 2018, 11:06:27 PM
I'll indulge you.

You complain about being condescended to A LOT. That's usually indicative of somebody with a massive inferiority complex. Being condescended to is about a power dynamic between two people and the state of mind of the two people speaking. You only get genuinely condescended to, if you allow it to happen, no matter what the other person is saying. So you need to stop allowing yourself to be condescended to or entering conversations with that pre-conceived inferiority complex, and you won't feel that way anymore.

Oh course I can be an arrogant arsehole. I've said as much myself numerous times on here. I mean...you're stating nothing new or insightful there, dude.
Cheers for the kind words, mate. Appreciate it really, but honestly there's no need. He's entitled to have a pop at me, and given that I am opinionated, I have to expect some comeback and disagreement sometimes without moaning about it.

I'm more than happy to argue the toss with that negative, 'poor scorn on everything' attitude all day long, because it's a very easy argument to debunk with basic logic.

You are a funny guy. Sometimes it seems to me you're trying to parody yourself.
Anyway, it's good to have high self-esteem, isn't it?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: AllyBlue14 on May 29, 2018, 11:08:50 PM
I think physical violence is a bit different, because some people are just physically stronger and there's no way to change or overcome that, whereas you can control your mental approach to situations (assuming you're healthy and well, obviously). So I wouldn't say that was the same at all.

I'll give you an example. I meet more intelligent, more successful, more attractive, richer people than me all the time through my job, like probably most of us do, but I'd never let myself be condescended to or even feel condescended to by any of them. Not in an arsey way. I just don't see myself as worse than them (or better than them, for that matter).

In terms of agreeing with him about me being an arrogant arsehole, I said I can be like that, not that I am only that. More of an acknowledgement than wearing a badge and being proud of it. But fair enough, if you see it that way.

1) Beside the point, but I wasn't really going for physical violence.

2) I agree entirely, I treat the people I work with/have managed in the same way as the people who managed me. Hell, I ended up marrying my boss!

3) Semantics really - you acknowledge it but show little interest in doing anything about it. It just seems strange to agree with someone that you can be arrogant but then say he should be controlling his own mental approach, while you carry on regardless.

Anyway, this is off-topic (I hate reading these diversions when there's hope of news) and I have a mountain of work to get through. Definite cause for optimism from Brands.

Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 29, 2018, 11:18:45 PM
Don’t think anyone’s expecting miracles where we suddenly find half a dozen players for buttons who end up fantastic

Just a proper plan where we sign what we need. They’ll still be mistakes in the market. There always is but we will hopefully sign the types of player we actually need rather than a scattergun approach.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: KingdingalingNL on May 29, 2018, 11:46:53 PM
I live and work in Amsterdam and currently work with an AZ fan and an Ajax supporter (who is ridiculously knowledgeable about world football), both sing his praises. Naturally, we will have to see but the talk from my Dutch colleagues differs considerably from what has been posted earlier.

I think you will struggle to find anybody in Holland who does not respect Brands! I also did not understand the post or what they said as he is very well liked and respected by most supporters here!

We all do not know if he will be a success at Everton, but if he brings half of the dedication and knowledge of the game he has then we should be happy we have him! He is a workaholic and is very good at his job, at least we have someone in the role we know has experience in doing the job he has been employed to do, rather than Walsh.

As I said even I do not know if he will succeed, but I do know for sure Brands will do it to his best ability!
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Redartin on May 30, 2018, 12:05:37 AM
Thanks mate.

 lolol

Let's keep it real pet.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Jamokachi on May 30, 2018, 07:55:16 AM
Some proper misery arses floating around in here.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: sam of the south on May 30, 2018, 08:52:30 AM
We can all be arrogant assholes sometimes (dunno about arrogant, I hate myself too much for that, but I surely am an asshole).  But BD is one of the nicest folks on here, and has been a very positive force during some awfully dark times.  I for one have appreciated it.

Nah, @Bluedylan (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=3747) is a right cunt ;)
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Redartin on May 30, 2018, 11:50:03 AM
Nah, @Bluedylan (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=3747) is a right cunt ;)

Nah, he's not a cunt. He lacks depth and warmth. :)
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: School of Science on May 30, 2018, 01:55:18 PM
Nah, he's not a cunt. He lacks depth and warmth. :)

This could be the beginning of a beautiful relationship, between you and BD.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: AllyBlue14 on May 30, 2018, 02:26:44 PM
Don’t think anyone’s expecting miracles where we suddenly find half a dozen players for buttons who end up fantastic

Just a proper plan where we sign what we need. They’ll still be mistakes in the market. There always is but we will hopefully sign the types of player we actually need rather than a scattergun approach.

Exactly. We need an identity and then players who fit/buy into that. As I've said previously, I hope we go for blanket pace across the front, 3 Walcott-in-his-prime-type players, with an eye for goal.

There is also a hope that we may cast our net wider than last season's bottom 5. I'm a strong advocate of PL experience - when City first had their riches, they bought the best players from the 2 or 3 clubs around them (although mainly Arsenal); whereas we seem to offer a route away from relegation battles or a life in the Championship - but it really isn't very imaginative and there are plenty of players outside the Premier League who could take us forward.

There's always a risk associated with change, but this has to be a positive step towards where we want to go. And it's definitely more progressive than Steve Walsh and Sam Allardyce.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: dunkster on May 30, 2018, 02:30:44 PM
Exactly. We need an identity and then players who fit/buy into that. As I've said previously, I hope we go for blanket pace across the front, 3 Walcott-in-his-prime-type players, with an eye for goal.

There is also a hope that we may cast our net wider than last season's bottom 5. I'm a strong advocate of PL experience - when City first had their riches, they bought the best players from the 2 or 3 clubs around them (although mainly Arsenal); whereas we seem to offer a route away from relegation battles or a life in the Championship - but it really isn't very imaginative and there are plenty of players outside the Premier League who could take us forward.

There's always a risk associated with change, but this has to be a positive step towards where we want to go. And it's definitely more progressive than Steve Walsh and Sam Allardyce.

Finally back on topic. And not pages and pages of people slagging each other off.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Toffee1 on June 02, 2018, 12:53:34 AM
https://twitter.com/Everton/status/1002557885170245632

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/david-unsworth-meets-everton-director-14734178

Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Goaljira on June 02, 2018, 01:10:02 AM
Started watching it at work and 10 seconds in had to make it clear to the others in the office I wasnt watching porn.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Toffee1 on June 02, 2018, 01:45:46 AM
Started watching it at work and 10 seconds in had to make it clear to the others in the office I wasnt watching porn.

I thought Huggy Bear was going to get out of the people carrier with him.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Macca77 on June 03, 2018, 05:41:45 AM
Taking in the sites

https://twitter.com/Pri1878/status/1002986721833779200
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: blue slug on June 03, 2018, 05:43:12 AM
Handsome bastard
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: TheRam on June 03, 2018, 05:52:26 AM
Taking in the sites

https://twitter.com/Pri1878/status/1002986721833779200

‘So where’s this slag and lettuce place rhino was telling me about’

Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Bob Sacamano on June 03, 2018, 06:20:19 AM
Anyone think Unsworth has trimmed down a tad since Joey Barton was giving it the billy big bollocks?
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on June 03, 2018, 02:06:54 PM
Anyone think Unsworth has trimmed down a tad since Joey Barton was giving it the billy big bollocks?
Stress can do that to you
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Gash on June 03, 2018, 02:18:05 PM
Anyone think Unsworth has trimmed down a tad since Joey Barton was giving it the billy big bollocks?

Not in the video of him showing Brands round Finch Farm.
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: Trowel on June 03, 2018, 02:28:42 PM
Sucking it in, like me on the beach.

(https://i2-prod.liverpoolecho.co.uk/incoming/article14734266.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/JS153438525.jpg)
Title: Re: Marcel Brands to Join Everton
Post by: dunkster on June 03, 2018, 03:09:53 PM
Lol..you can spot a 'sucking-it-up' pose a mile off. Good old undsie