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Title: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: D15TIN on May 08, 2018, 09:46:40 PM
Didn't see a topic for him, anyway few rumours flying around that were interested in him - has a relegation release clause of 14.5 million, good value in this market - at 26 I think we should get him, anyone agree? I get that he maybe lacks consistency at times, think he's got 7/8 goals this season in a struggling side
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: Audrey Horne on May 08, 2018, 09:47:43 PM
His lack of a neck unnerves me...
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: Goaljira on May 08, 2018, 09:49:13 PM
Its a no from me.
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: D15TIN on May 08, 2018, 09:50:51 PM
Its a no from me.
Really? For that price I think he's worth it, he's an improvement on what we have and he's at a good age
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: TheRam on May 08, 2018, 09:54:04 PM
Really? For that price I think he's worth it, he's an improvement on what we have and he's at a good age

Do you not think we need to stop making these type of signings though?

Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: D15TIN on May 08, 2018, 09:55:07 PM
Do you not think we need to stop making these type of signings though?


What type of signing would shaqiri fall into though?
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: Hawkandro on May 08, 2018, 09:55:17 PM
No. We already have one bang-average winger who offers little to nothing in the majority of matches on the left.

Why not - for once - try and compete and maybe go for Fakir?
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: Macca77 on May 08, 2018, 09:56:32 PM
He chose Stoke over us so fuck him, made up they've gone down, hope he rots
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: Audrey Horne on May 08, 2018, 09:59:01 PM
No. We already have one bang-average winger who offers little to nothing in the majority of matches on the left.

Why not - for once - try and compete and maybe go for Fakir?

Why the hell would he choose us over the RS??
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: Hawkandro on May 08, 2018, 10:00:01 PM
Why the hell would he choose us over the RS??

1) No one knows if they are actually in for him
2) If you don't buy a lottery ticket you won't win the jackpot
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: Alanvideo on May 08, 2018, 10:00:40 PM
Reasons to say no...............
1. he said his team-mates are not at his level
2.he looks like Harry Enfield
and 3. as @TheRam (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=1602)  says ,he turned us down before in favour of Stoke FFS
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: Goaljira on May 08, 2018, 10:02:10 PM
Really? For that price I think he's worth it, he's an improvement on what we have and he's at a good age

Even at half that price he's not worth it.  At absolute best he's an average extremely inconsistant 'winger' who lacks pace.
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: Hawkandro on May 08, 2018, 10:06:51 PM
Julian Brandt, Leon Bailey, Pione Sisto etc; start scouting these kind of players and get them in early. Bring Lookman back and make him a focal point next year. Don't go wasting more money on average players approaching their late 20's who have done fuck all for a relegated club.
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: Cereal Killer on May 08, 2018, 10:18:30 PM
 lolol

Maybe we can pull off a double swoop and get Shawcross as well.....
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: Bob Sacamano on May 08, 2018, 10:24:48 PM
His career is the definition of a downward trajectory.

Fuck. No.
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: Mac934 on May 08, 2018, 10:37:45 PM
Definite no from me. Bang average at best.
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: Evertonian in NC on May 08, 2018, 10:46:05 PM
plus, isn't he kind of a cunt?  Or do I just think that about everyone?
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: gizzblue on May 08, 2018, 10:55:36 PM
Fuck him...Grab lookman back get Kluivert in ...fuck bolasie and Mirralas off....job done 👍
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: BlueForYou on May 08, 2018, 11:24:05 PM
I think we were only interested in a loan deal three years ago and he wanted a permanent move

Clever player and coming into his prime

Big head, he is; nicknamed the Magic Dwarf and could be our X factor - Shaq, Rattle and Roll out that 15m
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: Silas on May 09, 2018, 12:18:24 AM
I don't get what he's supposed to be. He does nothing particularly outstandingly for a player in his position
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: Jimmywhack on May 09, 2018, 12:23:42 AM
Fuck him
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: Juanito on May 09, 2018, 12:24:00 AM
Julian Brandt, Leon Bailey, Pione Sisto etc; start scouting these kind of players and get them in early. Bring Lookman back and make him a focal point next year. Don't go wasting more money on average players approaching their late 20's who have done fuck all for a relegated club.

I thought that about Bailey. We were apparently linked a few years ago and now he is seen as potential world class.
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: Shropshire Blue on May 09, 2018, 12:37:36 AM
If one accepts that to get from where we are now to the 'elite' level will take several years and several steps then we have to accept that first we move from average players to good, then to very good and finally to world class. How we currently grade each player will be down to people's judgement on here and, more importantly, to people in the club who will do the business. They also have their 'vision' of what they want short, medium and long term and need to get in players who fit into that jigsaw.
So, perhaps the question to be asked is 'is Shaquiri (or any other name that comes up) better than we have now, will they fit into the jigsaw and improve us and move us to a place where we then look at a higher level'.
That's the gamble of football and look at how Stoke got it wrong (hence talk of Shaquiri's transfer) and how Leicester got it right. We tend to believe that we shouldn't make mistakes but that's not how gambling works and that is exactly what it is, a gamble. A good manager/coach/DoF or whatever tips the odds more in our favour but it doesn't guarantee success.
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: TheRam on May 09, 2018, 12:49:30 AM
What type of signing would shaqiri fall into though?

Predictable, uninspiring, decent, premier league player approaching his late 20s who won't make us any better.
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: Redartin on May 09, 2018, 12:56:21 AM
We were interested in him before, whether it was a loan or not I can't remember, but he opted for Stoke.

But what I do remember was someone posting about bullets we dodged, that is, players we were linked with who turned out to be shite, and he was one of them. Yes he scores an odd good goal every now and then, but that's just it, it's only every now and then. No consistency and we have enough players like that without bringing in more.
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: Gash on May 09, 2018, 12:59:25 AM
Presuambly one of the few Stoke players who hasn't ripped the piss out of them this season seeing he's been getting games?

Don't think he's done much in the Premier League (apart from slice a cross into our goal) to make him of interest since he's been here and being the best of a bad bunch doesn't really count.
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: bluenuck on May 09, 2018, 01:11:59 AM
8 goals 6 assist in the prem for a shit side.

This isn't saying much, but I'd take him over Bolasie right now.
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: Paddockoldie on May 09, 2018, 01:44:21 AM
No. We already have one bang-average winger who offers little to nothing in the majority of matches on the left.

Why not - for once - try and compete and maybe go for Fakir?

Heard he's a lazy motha..
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: benny on May 09, 2018, 02:22:04 AM
What type of signing would shaqiri fall into though?
               Desperation
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: blue slug on May 09, 2018, 02:41:47 AM
A shit one
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: howard1334 on May 09, 2018, 03:51:40 AM
No. We already have one bang-average winger who offers little to nothing in the majority of matches on the left.

Why not - for once - try and compete and maybe go for Fakir?

Not really an accurate comparison, though. Look up Shaqiri's numbers since he has been in the league and compare them with Bolasie's. Not sure i want him, but end product is not really the issue.
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: Jamokachi on May 09, 2018, 04:25:37 AM
He's a fraud.
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: brap2 on May 09, 2018, 05:37:02 AM
Wouldnt be as bad a signing as many are making out.

We lack individual difference makers and he is that. He also has pace and is proven at prem level.

Wouldnt particularly fix any of our major issues but would help with the fact that we are dangerously boring to watch.

p.s would prefer Arnautovic. Can imagine what the majority opinion on that would be but for me hes like mirallas at his best, on steds.
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: Dr. Sponge on May 09, 2018, 06:07:29 AM
Heard a few pundits say hes lazy.

Has a lot of ability but Id like to see his distance covered stats.
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: MmmblueBernard on May 09, 2018, 01:59:51 PM
Hes a chunky monkey isnt he.

Hes have been a great prem player 10 years ago when the key ability wasnt closing and pressing the opposition.

Hes got a good eye for goal and passing vision we dont possess but he kinda reeks of Bilyletdown.
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: ajax_andy on May 09, 2018, 02:02:25 PM
We have one good winger... One.

I'd take him all day long, he's been their stand out player this year.

Scores goals and makes something out of nothing which we lack.

We'd still need 1 or 2 other wide players to rotate and compete...

Zaha or if not Kenedy would be good options imo.
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: Macca77 on May 09, 2018, 02:03:50 PM
Id rather sign Shakira

pmsl
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: Hawkandro on May 09, 2018, 02:09:48 PM
I thought that about Bailey. We were apparently linked a few years ago and now he is seen as potential world class.

Bailey has ripped it up in Germany this season. Absolute flyer too.
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: Bob Sacamano on May 09, 2018, 02:47:21 PM
You dont get shipped out of top clubs and end up getting relegated with Stoke City due to bad luck.
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: Tinga on May 09, 2018, 04:15:43 PM
He's better than what we can hope for, you realise we are nobody now right lads? I think a lot of you need to come back down from the heavenly heights of the europa league and realise we've not been special for years now.
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: Bluedylan on May 09, 2018, 04:25:02 PM
Yeah he's not good for us, and certainly not good enough for where we want to be. Someone like Newcastle or West Ham'll have him, and he'll score one outrageous goal, and then play garbage for 6 months, and pundits will say what a good buy he's been.
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: TheRam on May 09, 2018, 04:33:57 PM
He's better than what we can hope for, you realise we are nobody now right lads? I think a lot of you need to come back down from the heavenly heights of the europa league and realise we've not been special for years now.

We're better than what he can hope for more like.

Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: mikey_blue on May 09, 2018, 05:05:35 PM
Scores the odd worldie but is inconsistent at best. Could be our new McFadden.
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: School of Science on May 09, 2018, 05:39:01 PM
Only if it's a straight swap with Bolasie. If not never.
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: brap2 on May 09, 2018, 07:56:29 PM
Had a rough few years in a rough club, not sure what his injury history is like but if he can get anywhere near his Bayern/Inter ability then youd have a superb wide forward or shot monster 10.

If he was cheap enough I wouldnt be surprised to see a top 6 club pick him up for cover.

Not beyond the realm of possibility that hes finished but he wouldnt be the worlds worst gamble imo, and certainly not one to get up in arms about.
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: GLewis on May 09, 2018, 08:01:22 PM
If we signed another young wide player, brought Lookman back and kept Walcott then I think at that price hed be an ok squad player giving us a decent mix of wide options/ ages.
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: brap2 on May 09, 2018, 08:05:06 PM
If we signed another young wide player, brought Lookman back and kept Walcott then I think at that price hed be an ok squad player giving us a decent mix of wide options/ ages.

Lozano / Ziyech / Sisto / Kluivert all available 🙏
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: Gash on May 09, 2018, 08:24:43 PM
Not beyond the realm of possibility that hes finished but he wouldnt be the worlds worst gamble imo, and certainly not one to get up in arms about.

He's 26!
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: brap2 on May 09, 2018, 08:43:20 PM
He's 26!

I agree - plenty of time and would be a fine gamble.

But like I say, I dunno about his injury record and I just know his production has dropped off over s few bad years at a bad club. Its not beyond the realms of possibility that he is not just playing badly but is now just a bad player playing badly, I personally think hes be worth a gamble.

Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: kramer0 on May 09, 2018, 09:19:16 PM
He generally takes a lot of long-distance shots (over 60% of his shots for his career) and he's really only been scoring them the past two seasons (5 this season, 4 last season). He has 3 goals inside the penalty area this season, an improvement for him, and maybe a better team can generate better shots for him (his 2nd best goalscoring season in a "big" league was Bayern 13/14, where he took more shots inside the box than outside) but I always worry about regression to the mean for players who consistently take low-quality shots. There are really only a handful of players in the world who score them consistently.

In terms of chance creation, he's played over 2 key passes per 90 for his career, most of which WhoScored classes as "short" passes. With that said, when sorted by pass type, most of these chances seem to be created via set pieces and crosses. It's hard to say much about this without access to better data. WhoScored is the best I can find but their numbers don't always add up, which is obviously problematic.

According to WhoScored's style of play descriptors, he "likes to play long balls," "plays the ball off the ground often," "likes to shoot from distance," and "likes to cross," all of which sounds accurate based on those numbers and what I've seen from him and almost all of which sounds perfect for Allardyce (who cares about shot quality and generally discourages shooting from distance).

He's a pretty good Premier League winger but my general feeling is that we should be doing better, especially if we replace Allardyce with somebody more progressive.
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: Cozzie on May 09, 2018, 10:19:16 PM
Bin off Bolasie and Mirallas.

Get Lozano and Shaqiri in and get Lookman back.

Lookman, Walcott, Shaqiri, Lozano

Decent wide options there.

Despite the negatives hes gaining on here I wouldn't mind seeing Shaqiri here like, especially for the price quoted.

At 26 his best years should be starting right now.
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: TheRam on May 09, 2018, 10:24:05 PM
I just don't think he's even that good to be honest.

Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: Bluedylan on May 09, 2018, 10:28:46 PM
We should try to sign Richarlison, or someone of that ilk, age group and promise. Frig 1 in 6 players like Shaqiri who go missing for months at a time.
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: D15TIN on May 09, 2018, 10:41:43 PM
We should try to sign Richarlison, or someone of that ilk, age group and promise. Frig 1 in 6 players like Shaqiri who go missing for months at a time.
That Richarlison hasn't had a good game for some time now, I'd probably take Doucoure like
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: Macca77 on May 09, 2018, 10:57:16 PM
Shaqiri couldn't cope with a rainy game at Stoke during the winter
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: Outworlder47 on May 09, 2018, 10:57:58 PM
Shaqiri is a known quantity, and seems like a more developed version of Vlasic.

I'd be more in favor of Bailey, Brandt, and/or Havertz from Leverkusen. Lozano from PSV. Shoya Nakajima, perhaps, if a work permit could be sorted. That sort of player. Walcott especially, and Bolasie to a lesser degree, are sufficient in terms of knowing what you're going to get. The Shaqiris of the world are fine if we want to consolidate our position in the table, but we're 8th despite being crap for large periods this season and need to be aiming for better.
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: Gash on May 09, 2018, 10:59:00 PM
Richarlison's form seems to have mirrored Watford's, scored 5 up to November then hasn't scored since.
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: blueToffee on May 09, 2018, 11:12:00 PM
This didn't use to be the case but I feel like the talent pool in the bottom of the league (or perhaps even outside of the top 6) is not what it was. Perhaps it's the bigger clubs being able to hoard players more than they used to, but I don't think there is really a great case for any attacking player currently in the bottom half of the PL who'd really help us push on and challenge the top 6. Surely that is the aim for us with anyone we bring in. A few squad players perhaps but nobody standout starting XI calibre.

Zaha would probably be the best example of someone who people say deserves to be playing higher up the league, but I don't think he is quite as good as people make out and I not nearly consistent enough...I mean 3 assists this season is not exactly stellar stuff and you know if he came here all those penalties he wins would dry up and he'd get 3 retroactive punishments for diving (which he frankly should've had this season anyhow).
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: brap2 on May 09, 2018, 11:30:00 PM
We should try to sign Richarlison, or someone of that ilk, age group and promise. Frig 1 in 6 players like Shaqiri who go missing for months at a time.

Havent seen Richarlison since before Christmas la, talking about 1 in 6 players.








I kid, I kid. In all honesty, richarlison looks twice the player (closer to arnautovic to my eye as well). Would love him here.
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: D15TIN on May 09, 2018, 11:31:30 PM
This didn't use to be the case but I feel like the talent pool in the bottom of the league (or perhaps even outside of the top 6) is not what it was. Perhaps it's the bigger clubs being able to hoard players more than they used to, but I don't think there is really a great case for any attacking player currently in the bottom half of the PL who'd really help us push on and challenge the top 6. Surely that is the aim for us with anyone we bring in. A few squad players perhaps but nobody standout starting XI calibre.

Zaha would probably be the best example of someone who people say deserves to be playing higher up the league, but I don't think he is quite as good as people make out and I not nearly consistent enough...I mean 3 assists this season is not exactly stellar stuff and you know if he came here all those penalties he wins would dry up and he'd get 3 retroactive punishments for diving (which he frankly should've had this season anyhow).
I think Zaha this season has gone up a notch, Palace have taken 0 points when he's not in the side, compared to 41 with - When you watch him now he looks a lot more dangerous - I'd also consider Loftus-Cheek as another option
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: Waltzer on May 09, 2018, 11:49:14 PM
I just don't think he's even that good to be honest.



He like a s**t Ozil, turns up when he fancies it and gets more plaudits than he deserves as when he does try its decent, people then forget about the dross and lack of effort applied previously
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: brap2 on May 09, 2018, 11:50:40 PM
I think Zaha this season has gone up a notch, Palace have taken 0 points when he's not in the side, compared to 41 with - When you watch him now he looks a lot more dangerous - I'd also consider Loftus-Cheek as another option

RLC would be a very good signing for our 3 man midfield. Great Barkley replacement.

Would probably say outside the top 6 the best attacking talents are maybe (no order) :

Shaqiri, Arnautovic, Sigurdsson, Mahrez, Lanzini, Boufal, Tadic, Redmond, Gross, Zaha...

Cant think of any more right now like. Any of the above would improve us a bit, three or four would take us up a level, one or two could comfortably play top 4 football with a bit of patience.
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: Cereal Killer on May 09, 2018, 11:58:06 PM
Havent seen Richarlison since before Christmas la, talking about 1 in 6 players.








I kid, I kid. In all honesty, richarlison looks twice the player (closer to arnautovic to my eye as well). Would love him here.

The problem is one's 14m and the other will be over 40m
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: Paddockoldie on May 10, 2018, 12:09:10 AM
RLC would be a very good signing for our 3 man midfield. Great Barkley replacement.

Would probably say outside the top 6 the best attacking talents are maybe (no order) :

Shaqiri, Arnautovic, Sigurdsson, Mahrez, Lanzini, Boufal, Tadic, Redmond, Gross, Zaha...

Cant think of any more right now like. Any of the above would improve us a bit, three or four would take us up a level, one or two could comfortably play top 4 football with a bit of patience.


Who dis Barkley kid you talking about? Has he got potential?
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: D15TIN on May 10, 2018, 12:26:18 AM

Who dis Barkley kid you talking about? Has he got potential?
Would anyone take him back on the cheap? Serious question
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: Audrey Horne on May 10, 2018, 12:47:18 AM
Would anyone take him back on the cheap? Serious question

no
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: Paddockoldie on May 10, 2018, 01:16:12 AM
Would anyone take him back on the cheap? Serious question

I think he wakes everyday from that dream. Badly advised and I reckon he knows it. I'd take him back for 8 but where do you play him?
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: Jimmywhack on May 10, 2018, 01:36:18 AM
Would anyone take him back on the cheap? Serious question
in a flash
Is he an improvement on what we have?
Yes
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: brap2 on May 10, 2018, 01:46:00 AM
Would anyone take him back on the cheap? Serious question

Yep
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 10, 2018, 01:52:00 AM
Id have Barkley back. I fancy theyd want more than they paid though and that would stick in the throat somewhat. Also hes good but we desperately have to find 1 or 2 with potential to be great if we are gonna bridge the gap

Redmond is massively overrated. Zaha is probably the best player outside of the top 6.

The problem we have is that Id imagine the likes of zaha would sooner wait for a better offer than sign for us. So even if we were the only interested party this summer hed probably give it another season at palace.
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: Bluedylan on May 10, 2018, 03:25:17 AM
Should 'is he an improvement on what we've got' be the defining characteristic of our transfer policy? I'm not sure it should.

I think it should be more 'is he enough of an improvement?'.
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: kramer0 on May 10, 2018, 04:33:35 AM
Should 'is he an improvement on what we've got' be the defining characteristic of our transfer policy? I'm not sure it should.

I think it should be more 'is he enough of an improvement?'.

Yep. And potential should be a factor as well. You can get away with signing someone slightly better (or as good) as what you have if that player has lots of room to grow and you have the coaches to teach him.

Aside: I do think Barkley is an interesting project for the right manager. If you set him up with, say, Pochettino, it's not too hard to imagine him turning into a powerful, press-resistant midfielder like Mousa Dembele.
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: TheRam on May 10, 2018, 04:44:06 AM
Fuck Ross Barkley.

Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: Confucius on May 10, 2018, 04:49:59 AM
Fuck Ross Barkley.



I would...


This is how this goes right?
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: brap2 on May 10, 2018, 05:26:07 AM
I dont think anyones saying shaqiri should be bought and is the answer to any problems.

But the fact is, for a cut price fee he wouldnt be a bad signing for many prem teams, us included. Yeah, I get it, I want the next sane too, but he would add quality and ability to a squad that is among the most boring in the league.

Surely we can all agree on this fact ; he doesnt look great at stoke, but for the right price hed be useful.

Would not be surprised to see Chelsea buy him as a Hazard back up, or Liverpool as a Salah back up.
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: Evertonian in NC on May 10, 2018, 05:32:39 AM
We need "ceiling" purchases.  Not "floors."  We have plenty of adequacy in the pipeline.
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: Goaljira on May 10, 2018, 05:32:41 AM
Richarlison's form seems to have mirrored Watford's, scored 5 up to November then hasn't scored since.

He was great under Silva.  Anonymous since he left.

Conspiracy theorists could summarise he's been driving his price down to follow his old boss to his new club...
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: van der Meyde on May 10, 2018, 04:49:56 PM
I dont think anyones saying shaqiri should be bought and is the answer to any problems.

But the fact is, for a cut price fee he wouldnt be a bad signing for many prem teams, us included. Yeah, I get it, I want the next sane too, but he would add quality and ability to a squad that is among the most boring in the league.

Surely we can all agree on this fact ; he doesnt look great at stoke, but for the right price hed be useful.

Would not be surprised to see Chelsea buy him as a Hazard back up, or Liverpool as a Salah back up.
It might be a cut price fee, but it wouldn't be cut price wages.

Players on free transfers end up getting higher wages/signing on fees, so I suspect any savings we'd make on the fee would disappear pretty quickly.
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: Escla on May 10, 2018, 05:23:15 PM
Would anyone take him back on the cheap? Serious question

No way, snide cunt the way he played us.
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: 74Blue on May 10, 2018, 06:21:39 PM
No way, snide cunt the way he played us.
100% this.
He didn't want to be here and chose to shit all over the club. Leave the cunt to rot on Chelsea's bench!
Whilst Barkley is obviously a talented player, I really think that he lacks the mentality to be a top level player.
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: Hawkandro on May 10, 2018, 07:14:23 PM
Ask Palace if they fancy swapping Bolasie for Zaha.
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: brap2 on May 10, 2018, 07:20:25 PM
Everton fans would turn on zaha inside a couple of matches.

One of the worst passers in the league.

Shaqiri genuinely a better player.
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: gizzblue on May 10, 2018, 07:31:58 PM
Can't we aim a bit higher than some twat who already chose another team over us .
Another Bolasie ,Miralas type signing ...who just isn't a whole lot better than what we have .
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: Evertonian in NC on May 10, 2018, 07:41:56 PM
There are so many other footballers in the world.  This is why we need a Brands, or some other legitimate DoF.  Stop making sentimental signings, or "I've heard of that guy!" deals.
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: Bluedylan on May 10, 2018, 08:32:11 PM
Everton fans would turn on zaha inside a couple of matches.

One of the worst passers in the league.

Shaqiri genuinely a better player.

Zaha's miles better than Shaqiri.
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: Evertonian in NC on May 10, 2018, 08:57:10 PM
Zaha's miles better than Shaqiri.

That's a pretty easy sentence to fill in (at the beginning), mind.  :D

/also, hips don't lie (dodges rotten veg)
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: brap2 on May 10, 2018, 10:02:10 PM
Zaha's miles better than Shaqiri.

Whats that based on?

I dont think its that clear cut tbh. Even with shaqiri in apparently poor form and zaha in blistering POTM winning level form, while stoke are going down and palace have had a resurgence under hodge - shaqiri matches him for goals this season and doubles his assists.

I like zaha and would LOVE him at Everton, but hed cost about 40m and would probably produce about the same stats end of year - only thing you could comfortably say is zaha is much much the better dribbler and could get you up the pitch much better than shaqiri, but shaqiris better passing can do the same job.

I know hes getting hype this year and hes fulfilling his promise a little bit, but sigurdssons better than zaha, lanzini is better than zaha, mahrez is better than zaha, Vardy is better than zaha, and Im not convinced shaqiri isnt.

Will admit Im potentially being a bit of a contrarian, but I just dont think its cut and dry.
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: duncandisorderly on May 11, 2018, 12:02:50 AM
Shaqiri would be an upgrade on Bolasie, for that reason and the fact the price quoted is low, I'd be happy with him.
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: kramer0 on May 11, 2018, 12:26:00 AM
Zaha and Shaqiri are both fine but I think we should probably stop signing attackers from the bottom of the table.
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: Bluedylan on May 11, 2018, 12:30:20 AM
Whats that based on?

I dont think its that clear cut tbh. Even with shaqiri in apparently poor form and zaha in blistering POTM winning level form, while stoke are going down and palace have had a resurgence under hodge - shaqiri matches him for goals this season and doubles his assists.

I like zaha and would LOVE him at Everton, but hed cost about 40m and would probably produce about the same stats end of year - only thing you could comfortably say is zaha is much much the better dribbler and could get you up the pitch much better than shaqiri, but shaqiris better passing can do the same job.

I know hes getting hype this year and hes fulfilling his promise a little bit, but sigurdssons better than zaha, lanzini is better than zaha, mahrez is better than zaha, Vardy is better than zaha, and Im not convinced shaqiri isnt.

Will admit Im potentially being a bit of a contrarian, but I just dont think its cut and dry.

Point taken. I've had a look at the stats and they are closer than I'd expected. Different players I suppose. I feel that Zaha has an upward curve still, whereas I think Shaqiri's at least levelled off. But fair enough, it was a closer comparison than I'd anticipated.
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: brap2 on May 11, 2018, 12:54:24 AM
Zaha and Shaqiri are both fine but I think we should probably stop signing attackers from the bottom of the table.

True, were probably going to take them there anyway.

Really tho - izquierdo anyone?
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: Paddockoldie on May 11, 2018, 01:19:00 AM
Zaha and Shaqiri are both fine but I think we should probably stop signing attackers from the bottom of the table.

Especially as we don't play attacking football. What we need are 30+ expensive has beens.
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: Jamokachi on May 11, 2018, 04:20:33 AM
Everton fans would turn on zaha inside a couple of matches.

One of the worst passers in the league.

Shaqiri genuinely a better player.

wut
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: blue slug on May 11, 2018, 04:32:24 AM
I hope to god we dont sign shaqiri hes just a little shit house and definitely doesnt play for the team just himself, take Zaha every day of the week over him
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: brap2 on May 11, 2018, 05:22:35 AM
wut

If you think Lennon or Bolasie ran down blind alleyways, well my mate have I got something for you - how about arguably the worst passing decisions in the league?

Do you think Barkley got dispossessed a lot - well well, literally one of the most often dispossessed players per 90 minutes in the league (not a big deal, but not typically something everton fans are into).

Defensive contribution? Shmenesive shmontibution.

Basically, I think both are mid table players who could be decent back up for top 6 teams. Neither would take us up a level.

Shaqiri has done more in his career, not sure why hes getting this level of disrespect?
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 12, 2018, 01:25:02 AM
Id have him. Better than what we have, cheap and some margin for improvement. He ticks a lot of boxes. Hes not 1 whos going to transform us but most of our signings wont. Hes decent though and apparently available at a good price

Be very happy with 2 or 3 like him if they came with 1 or 2 with great potential
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: Silas on May 12, 2018, 01:37:44 AM
I don't rate Zaha at all Shaqiri is arguably better but I don't think either of them are particularly a big improvement even on Bolasie
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: Lxxx on May 12, 2018, 04:23:32 AM
I don't rate Zaha at all Shaqiri is arguably better but I don't think either of them are particularly a big improvement even on Bolasie

Not that wed even be in for Zaha but hes on a different level to Bolasie now.
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: BlueForYou on May 12, 2018, 01:53:32 PM
No question
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: bluenuck on May 12, 2018, 01:56:52 PM
If you think Lennon or Bolasie ran down blind alleyways, well my mate have I got something for you - how about arguably the worst passing decisions in the league?

Do you think Barkley got dispossessed a lot - well well, literally one of the most often dispossessed players per 90 minutes in the league (not a big deal, but not typically something everton fans are into).

Defensive contribution? Shmenesive shmontibution.

Basically, I think both are mid table players who could be decent back up for top 6 teams. Neither would take us up a level.

Shaqiri has done more in his career, not sure why hes getting this level of disrespect?

Shaqiri is a good player. can't believe people are calling him shit.
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: BlueForYou on May 12, 2018, 01:57:56 PM
Good player, he is
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: Lxxx on May 12, 2018, 02:16:05 PM
Totally uninspired signing if it was to happen. It would again demonstrate we have no model, no strategy that were looking to implement when it comes to transfers or developing a style of play.
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: BlueForYou on May 12, 2018, 02:19:51 PM
Fair comment

But who would be an inspired signing and at what price?
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: Lxxx on May 12, 2018, 02:49:38 PM
Fair comment

But who would be an inspired signing and at what price?
I dont know, I dont get paid a million a year to develop this strategy.

Spurs have gatecrashed the top clubs by employing a young, hungry manager with an ethos of developing athletic players and implementing a style which is great to watch, effective and all done for a reasonable budget.

Of course Pochettinos dont grow on trees but it shouldnt be beyond the ability of a club like ours with the money we have to try and copy that model and identify managers who could grow/fit into that and sign players accordingly.

At the very least it would be better to watch than what we see now and give the fans something to buy into.

Ive digressed from the thread title, but no, I dont think Shaqiri is the answer.
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 12, 2018, 03:31:31 PM
Totally uninspired signing if it was to happen. It would again demonstrate we have no model, no strategy that were looking to implement when it comes to transfers or developing a style of play.

Disagree. Think hed be a signing in the sigurdsson mould but at possibly a third of the price. If they were all like that Id agree but a keep good proven player alongside a couple of younger bigger risk bigger reward signings and I think wed be on the right track
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: Free Agent on May 12, 2018, 07:47:16 PM
Sign him, hes cheap and can still resell later if it doesnt work out. Hes better than bolasie.
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: Gash on May 12, 2018, 08:08:05 PM
Why is being "better than Bolasie" such an apparent justification to sign him? Just because someone is better than a player we have here doesn't mean he's the level of player we want.
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: Mayor Farnum on May 12, 2018, 08:37:25 PM
Sign him, hes cheap and can still resell later if it doesnt work out. Hes better than bolasie.

I can't believe you've seen enough of him to make that statement with such certainty.
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 12, 2018, 08:41:35 PM
Why is being "better than Bolasie" such an apparent justification to sign him? Just because someone is better than a player we have here doesn't mean he's the level of player we want.

Well its not but being coupled with the fact that hes available for well below market value (apparently) he would surely be a decent enough signing
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: Lxxx on May 12, 2018, 08:43:52 PM
Well its not but being coupled with the fact that hes available for well below market value (apparently) he would surely be a decent enough signing

So you want us to sign players just because they look decent value as opposed to whether we actually need them or not. Okay.
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: Gash on May 12, 2018, 08:44:06 PM
Well its not but being coupled with the fact that hes available for well below market value (apparently) he would surely be a decent enough signing

Then you've low standards for a guy who's spent every ten minutes this season telling us how shit everyone and everything is.
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 12, 2018, 08:46:10 PM
So you want us to sign players just because they look decent value as opposed to whether we actually need them or not. Okay.

Decent value and better than what we have seems a good place to start. Hes a good premier league player whod get in our team and is way under market value. Yeah Id be okay with us signing him
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 12, 2018, 08:48:33 PM
Then you've low standards for a guy who's spent every ten minutes this season telling us how shit everyone and everything is.

Hes comparable to sigurdsson in quality at a third of the cost. Who do you want us to sign?
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: Gash on May 12, 2018, 08:57:14 PM
Hes comparable to sigurdsson in quality at a third of the cost. Who do you want us to sign?

Not Shaqiri.

He's not really comparable to Sigurdsson anyway, over the period Shaqiri's been in the Premier League Sigurdsson's scored 24 to his 15 and assisted 21 to his 14 and that's allowing for Sigurdsson struggling at the start this season and missing the last 2 months, there's only about 10 starts difference between the two of them as well.

He'll be a marginal upgrade at best to what we've got, all I'm saying is that doesn't mean it's reason to sign a player.
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: SANA_DR0 on May 12, 2018, 09:00:00 PM
Why is being "better than Bolasie" such an apparent justification to sign him? Just because someone is better than a player we have here doesn't mean he's the level of player we want.

cos Bolasie is the benchmark..

*sarcasm*
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: Goaljira on May 12, 2018, 09:11:46 PM
Hes comparable to sigurdsson in quality at a third of the cost. Who do you want us to sign?

(https://78.media.tumblr.com/cc20cc7f1827db7a5c6f82a7eb61164f/tumblr_p4m1lxboXx1qdhizao3_r2_540.gif)

I don't think there's a single fan of a premier league team (yourself aside) who would even think of taking Shakiri over Sigurdsson.
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: blueToffee on May 12, 2018, 09:14:24 PM
Decent value and better than what we have seems a good place to start. Hes a good premier league player whod get in our team and is way under market value. Yeah Id be okay with us signing him

Hes an average PL player who just about stands out in a team that got relegated. Hes the same player who signed for them a few years ago, have you seen much change in him since he moved to the PL? So its unlikely hed significantly improve if he moved here.

There is a reason hes playing at Stoke, as he does have the odd stand out goal most of the time hes not offering much special.

I dont mind him, but hes at his level now. Hes a good player for a team that has ambitions of midtable or thereabouts.
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: brap2 on May 12, 2018, 10:40:20 PM
Meh, not going to continue fighting his corner, partly because hes not really worth it. If we did get him I wouldnt be breaking out the champagne, but I would say if you put him in eredvisie in say kluiverts place, hed probably tear the shite out of it.

Is what it is. Im sure someone will have him.
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: Silas on May 12, 2018, 10:42:20 PM
He's not Mc Geady or nothing like. He would be a perfectly adequate signing but he wouldn't make us much better than what we are.
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 12, 2018, 10:44:48 PM
Meh, not going to continue fighting his corner, partly because hes not really worth it. If we did get him I wouldnt be breaking out the champagne, but I would say if you put him in eredvisie in say kluiverts place, hed probably tear the shite out of it.

Is what it is. Im sure someone will have him.

If hes really available so cheaply I wouldnt be that surprised to see 1 of the top 6 take him as a squad player
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: Silas on May 12, 2018, 10:48:18 PM
If hes really available so cheaply I wouldnt be that surprised to see 1 of the top 6 take him as a squad player

I would be massively surprised if that happens
Title: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: Confucius on May 12, 2018, 10:57:23 PM
Is McCarthy still on our books?
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: GLewis on May 12, 2018, 11:13:39 PM
Is McCarthy still on our books?

Yeah I forgot about him!
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 12, 2018, 11:14:54 PM
I would be massively surprised if that happens

Doesnt say much about him but he looks like the sort of player Chelsea like to take a punt on (and never play)
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: Lxxx on May 12, 2018, 11:23:27 PM
If hes really available so cheaply I wouldnt be that surprised to see 1 of the top 6 take him as a squad player

You come out with some fuckin rubbish too frequently.
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 12, 2018, 11:27:03 PM
You come out with some fuckin rubbish too frequently.

Im probably a bit stupid. Would explain the frequency xx
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: brap2 on May 12, 2018, 11:30:14 PM
If hes really available so cheaply I wouldnt be that surprised to see 1 of the top 6 take him as a squad player

Chelsea written all over him imo.

Depends how the new manager is backed, but had an eerily similar profile to hazard when they were both early 20s so could probably play that little dribbler role as back up.
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: brap2 on May 12, 2018, 11:35:22 PM
Is McCarthy still on our books?

Palace after him apparently
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: Mayor Farnum on May 12, 2018, 11:58:47 PM
Can't imagine Shaqiri at any top club. His work-rate is poor.
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: TheRam on May 13, 2018, 01:16:28 AM
People are proper overrating him here.
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: brap2 on May 13, 2018, 01:42:57 AM
Zaha off to city which sort of goes against me there haha. 50m apparently.

Lash the lot at Mahrez play Walcott RW or Mahrez 10
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: Bluedylan on May 13, 2018, 02:08:25 AM
Zaha's miles better than Shaqiri.
Title: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: Dr. Sponge on May 13, 2018, 02:15:11 AM
He's actually really talented, it's just a shame about his application. I'd certainly take him over Bolasie in a swap deal. Tempted to buy Footy Manager and make it happen.
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: GLewis on May 13, 2018, 02:20:15 AM
Zaha off to city which sort of goes against me there haha. 50m apparently.

Lash the lot at Mahrez play Walcott RW or Mahrez 10

Mahrez too old for us.

Not that I think hed come here.
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: Bluedylan on May 13, 2018, 02:23:47 AM
I'd sooner play Lookman in the role for an entire season than Shaqiri.
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: brap2 on May 13, 2018, 02:28:22 AM
Mahrez too old for us.

Not that I think hed come here.

Hed coooome, course he would. Only 27, elite attacker...

Sure id rather like the next mahrez or whatever I just think well get beaten to them so I wouldnt say no to an established superstar age or no. Beggars cant be choosers type thing.

Interestingly I saw an analyst say their model had ranked ziyech 1st out of erdevisie players. The top scorer j-something came second. Neres top 20, kluivert was only like 66 or something which is not quite fitting his hype.

That Bergius was top 5...

Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: Cereal Killer on May 13, 2018, 09:36:15 PM
Decent assist  :whistle:
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: Bob Sacamano on May 14, 2018, 05:20:57 AM
Is McCarthy still on our books?

Urgh.
Title: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: Escla on June 07, 2018, 04:00:54 PM
According to the Times today we are competing with Liverpool and Leicester for Shaquiri.
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: TheRam on June 07, 2018, 04:13:07 PM
According to the Times today we are competing with Liverpool and Leicester for Shaquiri.

Ive come round to the idea that spending 12 mil on him is a bit of a no brainer.

Im sure a few weeks ago I was adamantly against it.
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: Macca77 on June 07, 2018, 04:18:21 PM
According to the Times today we are competing with Liverpool and Leicester for Shaquiri.

Of course we are, I wonder who he will choose, its a tough one
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: Ramjam on June 07, 2018, 04:19:31 PM
Of course we are, I wonder who he will choose, its a tough one
Whoever offers him the best terms
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: Macca77 on June 07, 2018, 04:24:51 PM
Whoever offers him the best terms

You mean like the last time we went after him and offered him the slightly better terms, he still chose Stoke.
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 07, 2018, 04:33:17 PM
Ive come round to the idea that spending 12 mil on him is a bit of a no brainer.

Im sure a few weeks ago I was adamantly against it.

I talked you round didnt I.
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: AllyBlue14 on June 07, 2018, 04:38:17 PM
Swerve Shaqiri
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: Escla on June 07, 2018, 04:39:42 PM
Swerve Shaqiri

If Brands and Silva want him then Im in !
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 07, 2018, 04:39:56 PM
Swerve Shaqiri

Hes a bargain at 12m. Be worth more than double that had stoke stayed up
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: brap2 on June 07, 2018, 04:45:28 PM
Swerve Shaqiri

As I said will go to a top 6 club as cheap back up.

Chelsea for hazard or the shite for salah.
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: Lxxx on June 07, 2018, 04:45:59 PM
Hes a bargain at 12m. Be worth more than double that had stoke stayed up

Has he actually enhanced his reputation at Stoke though? I'm not sure he'd be worth 25m+ if they'd survived the drop.
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: Macca77 on June 07, 2018, 04:51:05 PM
He's shite for a dozen games, then scores a screamer, then shite again and so on....
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 07, 2018, 04:57:44 PM
Has he actually enhanced his reputation at Stoke though? I'm not sure he'd be worth 25m+ if they'd survived the drop.

His numbers were pretty good last season. Not sure you get a good premier league player for less than 25m these days.
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: AllyBlue14 on June 07, 2018, 05:01:01 PM
Has he actually enhanced his reputation at Stoke though? I'm not sure he'd be worth 25m+ if they'd survived the drop.

Exactly.

We have Walcott on one wing, he starts every week. At the moment we have Bolasie (who, as much as I like, would look to move on) and the relatively unknown quantity of Lookman on the other.

I'd much rather we stick to the Lozano-like targets than settle for someone like Shaqiri, who is the kind of player I'd expect us to end up with on Deadline Day after missing out on our first 4 options.
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: AllyBlue14 on June 07, 2018, 05:14:00 PM
His numbers were pretty good last season. Not sure you get a good premier league player for less than 25m these days.

Yeah, but doesn't our policy stretch beyond that now? I thought last summer was the year of the 'good Premier League player'.
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 07, 2018, 05:16:51 PM
Yeah, but doesn't our policy stretch beyond that now? I thought last summer was the year of the 'good Premier League player'.

We need a squad and getting a good player at half price seems a clever move. I want great young prospects too but theres nothing wrong with a safe bet on the cheap to go with it.

Deals like this and Walcott arent the problem. Its the 45m for sigurdsson and 30 for Keane. Cant turn down a bargain when they are better than what we have
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: TheTone on June 07, 2018, 05:59:18 PM
I'd be all in for the shaq
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: dunkster on June 07, 2018, 06:17:58 PM
Is he left sided?  because I can't see him replacing Walcott on the right and he certainly won't be playing in the deeper midfield.
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: gizzblue on June 07, 2018, 06:38:33 PM
Fuck going cap in hand to any cunt who turned us down for stoke ....

Surely he's been a Liverpool supporter all his life and his dream is to play for them since he wore red pyjamas as a kid .
and he always hated Ramos anyway .
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: AllyBlue14 on June 07, 2018, 09:44:59 PM
We need a squad and getting a good player at half price seems a clever move. I want great young prospects too but theres nothing wrong with a safe bet on the cheap to go with it.

Deals like this and Walcott arent the problem. Its the 45m for sigurdsson and 30 for Keane. Cant turn down a bargain when they are better than what we have

We do need a squad, but we also need to bring in quality. We'd then have 3 (or 4, if you count Mirallas) players who can cover the left.

He'd be ok as a back-up but the squad is bloated enough as it is. I'd rather take a punt on someone like Lozano, for example, with Lookman as an alternative.
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: Bluedylan on June 07, 2018, 09:52:19 PM
I just don't like him. I'm probably wrong, and he's probably a good option and has excellent stats and all that. But yeah, not into him at all.
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: Macca77 on June 07, 2018, 10:13:15 PM
He's a snide twat so the shite are the perfect club for him
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: Evertonian in NC on June 07, 2018, 10:15:58 PM
I just don't like him. I'm probably wrong, and he's probably a good option and has excellent stats and all that. But yeah, not into him at all.

I don't want the likes of him taking minutes away from Lookman, and eventually, Onyekuru.  Plus, as you allude, he's just such a total fucking cunt.  No more cunts unless they are really, really good please.
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: Rodenplav64 on June 07, 2018, 11:19:15 PM
Nope .
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: Cozzie on June 07, 2018, 11:26:10 PM
I am gonna be 100% honest here, I was banging the Shaqiri drum a lot as soon as Stoke went down and wanted us to go for him.

After some extensive research and some adequate thinking time, I have come to the conclusion that he is basically just a compressed Kevin Mirallas.

Don't want him anymore. 
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: Jimmywhack on June 07, 2018, 11:39:09 PM
I am gonna be 100% honest here, I was banging the Shaqiri drum a lot as soon as Stoke went down and wanted us to go for him.

After some extensive research and some adequate thinking time, I have come to the conclusion that he is basically just a compressed Kevin Mirallas.

Don't want him anymore.
Miles better than mirallas but it's still a no from me.
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: blue slug on June 07, 2018, 11:40:29 PM
I just don't like him. I'm probably wrong, and he's probably a good option and has excellent stats and all that. But yeah, not into him at all.

Totally agree BD, he's a mardy arse who offers fuck all when the games not going his way
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: brap2 on June 07, 2018, 11:43:09 PM
Dont think anyones remotely arsed are they.

If we get him hell flop, if the shite get him hell score a derby winner.

Lose / lose innit.
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: Macca77 on June 07, 2018, 11:43:18 PM
Off to the shite, medical tomorrow
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: blue slug on June 07, 2018, 11:44:40 PM
Off to the shite, medical tomorrow

good
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: Cozzie on June 08, 2018, 01:33:20 AM
Miles better than mirallas but it's still a no from me.

I mean in terms of his application and attitude.

Hes miles better than Mirallas agreed but he does seem like he never applies himself.

You could make the argument under a different regime and management he would be different and for the price quoted wouldn't be the worst shout like but just can't see it.
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: Shogun on June 08, 2018, 02:43:08 AM
I am gonna be 100% honest here, I was banging the Shaqiri drum a lot as soon as Stoke went down and wanted us to go for him.

After some extensive research and some adequate thinking time, I have come to the conclusion that he is basically just a compressed Kevin Mirallas.

Don't want him anymore. 

Mirallas will be a big player for us next season
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: blue slug on June 08, 2018, 02:49:59 AM
Mirallas will be a big player for us next season

Only if he eats loads
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: sam of the south on June 08, 2018, 03:03:48 AM
Mirallas will be a big player for us next season

You reckon?  :shock:
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: TheRam on June 08, 2018, 03:05:25 AM
Mirallas will be a big player for us next season

You are proper stressing me out with this.
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: Paddockoldie on June 08, 2018, 03:07:05 AM
Shaqiri will improve over there... You just know it. Think he could have been good for us, especially at that price.
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: sam of the south on June 08, 2018, 03:09:43 AM
Shaqiri will improve over there... You just know it. Think he could have been good for us, especially at that price.

Hes not a bad player to have on the bench, thats for sure
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: Dr. Sponge on June 08, 2018, 11:41:52 AM
Were not desperate for a winger, when compared to CM, LB and CB positions.

But....

Shaqiri > Bolasie & Mirallas

So if that could be sorted then Id be very happy with Lookman, Walcott and Shaqiri as our options. (Not made my mind up on Vlasic yet, but hes still young).
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: Confucius on June 08, 2018, 01:27:04 PM
Hope they get Shaqiri as a replacement for Salah.
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: Audrey Horne on June 08, 2018, 02:54:39 PM
Bit gutted he is going there and not here.
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: Cereal Killer on June 08, 2018, 03:07:26 PM
Hope they get Shaqiri as a replacement for Salah.

No no no, Fekir is the replacement for Salah, Shaqiri is the replacement for Mane
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 08, 2018, 03:12:19 PM
I think the likes of shaqiri, barkley and delph aren't clever enough with their careers. They don't seem to take into account the attractively of a low fee when the big sides come in for them. None of the 3 would get them moves at their real market value because none of the 3 were really valued by the top sides
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: Rodenplav64 on June 08, 2018, 04:13:03 PM
I am gonna be 100% honest here, I was banging the Shaqiri drum a lot as soon as Stoke went down and wanted us to go for him.

After some extensive research and some adequate thinking time, I have come to the conclusion that he is basically just a compressed Kevin Mirallas.

Don't want him anymore. 

I think Mirallas is taller . Inflated is a better description all round .
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: Rodenplav64 on June 08, 2018, 04:17:26 PM
We’re not desperate for a winger, when compared to CM, LB and CB positions.

But....

Shaqiri > Bolasie & Mirallas

So if that could be sorted then I’d be very happy with Lookman, Walcott and Shaqiri as our options. (Not made my mind up on Vlasic yet, but he’s still young).

Lookman needs to be given a chance . Look how Alexander - Armstrong has developed over the season . Didn't get punished by his Manager for a few errors early on and has developed because of it . Get a style of play sorted that involves pace ( which Silva appears to do ) and use the tools we have for the job . If needed add a few tools to build up your toolbox . No need for a whole new toolbox . Bolasie and Mirallas have shown themselves to be not up to the job . Time to give Lookman a try .
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: Gash on June 08, 2018, 04:47:03 PM
Look how Alexander - Armstrong has developed over the season .

He's been pointless. ;)
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: Topper on June 08, 2018, 04:47:30 PM
Look how Alexander - Armstrong has developed over the season .

Playing Alexander-Armstrong at all is just pointless......
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: blue slug on June 08, 2018, 05:18:37 PM
Playing Alexander-Armstrong at all is just pointless......

Brilliants haha
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: Ravardo on June 18, 2018, 10:49:22 PM
Anyone still think its worth signing this lazy prick after yesterdays lazy display,, he looks like he's been coached by bobby martinez his whole career
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: gizzblue on June 19, 2018, 12:04:03 AM
Still a no from me ....he's awful at best .
Title: Shaqiri
Post by: Tofifee on June 28, 2018, 09:58:44 PM
So Pool deal agreed apparently
Not too long ago we were linked but the majority opinion here was "steer clear of tubby"
Pool fans seems made up about getting him in........


Have we missed a trick here........................??
Title: Re: Shaqiri
Post by: Goaljira on June 28, 2018, 10:00:13 PM
No.
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: Gash on June 28, 2018, 10:02:02 PM
So Pool deal agreed apparently
Not too long ago we were linked but the majority opinion here was "steer clear of tubby"
Pool fans seems made up about getting him in........


Have we missed a trick here........................??

No, just the 13 page thread that was further down the page.
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: D15TIN on June 28, 2018, 10:05:07 PM
We’re not desperate for a winger, when compared to CM, LB and CB positions.

But....

Shaqiri > Bolasie & Mirallas

So if that could be sorted then I’d be very happy with Lookman, Walcott and Shaqiri as our options. (Not made my mind up on Vlasic yet, but he’s still young).
Vlasic looked better in the number 10 role, in the couple of games he played there (in Europe)
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: Macca77 on June 28, 2018, 10:06:05 PM
Gets nowhere near their starting 11
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: Lxxx on June 28, 2018, 10:14:44 PM
Gets nowhere near their starting 11

Lallana is never fit and an injury to Salah or Mane and they're a bit light.
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: TheRam on June 28, 2018, 10:37:38 PM
Very good squad player for them.
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: Bluedylan on June 28, 2018, 10:41:00 PM
Couldn't give a fuck about them tbh.
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: TheTone on June 28, 2018, 11:08:34 PM
He has the face to qualify as an RS player
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: gizzblue on June 28, 2018, 11:24:25 PM
He has the face to qualify as an RS player

Hateful prick that's punchable ....I concur .
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: bluenuck on June 28, 2018, 11:32:55 PM
Lookman needs to be given a chance . Look how Alexander - Armstrong has developed over the season . Didn't get punished by his Manager for a few errors early on and has developed because of it . Get a style of play sorted that involves pace ( which Silva appears to do ) and use the tools we have for the job . If needed add a few tools to build up your toolbox . No need for a whole new toolbox . Bolasie and Mirallas have shown themselves to be not up to the job . Time to give Lookman a try .

I'm all for giving lookman a go, a long long go at it. But we still need cover there with a decent winger. Especially if Mirallis and Bolasie leave. I will not want to go into a season with Walcott and Lookman as our main wingers. Walcott will be injured at some point as well.

We need a winger.
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: dchans on June 29, 2018, 01:32:51 AM
Cunt cost me 1500 quid in the World Cup

Dick
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: brap2 on June 29, 2018, 01:50:37 AM
Gets nowhere near their starting 11

Doesnt need to
Title: Re: Xherdan Shaqiri
Post by: Bob Sacamano on June 29, 2018, 02:09:53 AM
The next step in this guys downward career trajectory is playing about 12 games out of a possible 60 ish. Im genuinely amazed at this guys career.

He will play like 25 games in 2 years and then move to a side shitter than Stoke.

This guy is a true YouTube clip player.