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Title: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Brownie on June 29, 2018, 06:29:28 AM
Now I'm sure I know someone on here who would be both delighted and gutted at the same time if this was true. Just can't remember who 😉

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/kieran-tierney-lined-up-everton-12815008
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Ramjam on June 29, 2018, 06:40:22 AM
Would be a top class signing but won’t be cheap now that Celtic have him stitched up
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Audrey Horne on June 29, 2018, 07:50:16 AM
he wont come to Everton.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Toddacelli on June 29, 2018, 02:05:15 PM
Everything I've seen on him tells me he would be fucking amazing at Everton - or anywhere.

Everything I've seen on him tells me he's not going to leave Celtic for Everton - or anywhere.

I personally think that if this lad does go in the next few seasons, while he's still young - he'll probably set the world record transfer fee for a defender. For two reasons:

He's fucking brilliant
&
It would take an obscene amount of money to get him and Celtic to agree to it
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Gash on June 29, 2018, 02:21:23 PM
I like him, very good player who will only get better and seems very level headed and a sensible kid.

It'll take a lot of persuading to get him to leave Celtic as he genuinely loves being there and has said many time he would be happy to be a one club player. I think once money starts getting thrown around he'll sit up and take notice but any move will still be football motivated and when the move comes there will be several clubs after him.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Waltzer on June 29, 2018, 03:52:55 PM
Hes on 15k a week, if we agree a fee for him im sure there are probably about 75 thousand + reasons why he'd come to us
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Bluedylan on June 29, 2018, 03:57:57 PM
Everything I've seen on him tells me he would be fucking amazing at Everton - or anywhere.

Everything I've seen on him tells me he's not going to leave Celtic for Everton - or anywhere.

I personally think that if this lad does go in the next few seasons, while he's still young - he'll probably set the world record transfer fee for a defender. For two reasons:

He's fucking brilliant
&
It would take an obscene amount of money to get him and Celtic to agree to it

You think he'd cost more than £75m?

Nah mate, not having that.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Mick 1995 on June 29, 2018, 03:59:28 PM
Similarly to players in the French league - it's not reasonable to consider even the best ones anything more than a punt.
The odd, amped up champions league match aside is the same as basing an opinion of somebody on the world cup.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Macca77 on June 29, 2018, 04:00:29 PM
25-30 million tops
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Lxxx on June 29, 2018, 04:04:45 PM
Similarly to players in the French league - it's not reasonable to consider even the best ones anything more than a punt.
The odd, amped up champions league match aside is the same as basing an opinion of somebody on the world cup.

You can see a bit more than that. Every man and his dog could see VVD was head and shoulders above everyone else in that league week in week out, we just had a manager at the time who didn't unfortunately. Some players will stand out, others will look a decent punt like Andrew Robertson but a good scout should be able to tell if they've got something to work with or if it's just because the opponents are very poor.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Cereal Killer on June 29, 2018, 04:29:42 PM
Now I'm sure I know someone on here who would be both delighted and gutted at the same time if this was true. Just can't remember who 😉

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/kieran-tierney-lined-up-everton-12815008

Delighted and gutted?

I'd go more for "I told you so, didn't I tell you all, but you all laughed, but I'm right, I'm always right, who told you so"
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: brap2 on June 29, 2018, 05:16:09 PM
Delighted and gutted?

I'd go more for "I told you so, didn't I tell you all, but you all laughed, but I'm right, I'm always right, who told you so"

Perhaps a comment about how all Everton fans love Steven Naismith & hate the beautiful game, because nobody understands football quite like he does
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Bluedylan on June 29, 2018, 05:18:18 PM
Right, no games on today. Why the fuck haven't we signed anyone?
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Ramjam on June 29, 2018, 05:31:09 PM
Right, no games on today. Why the fuck haven't we signed anyone?
More shit to shovel first would be my guess
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Nicco on June 29, 2018, 05:53:20 PM
More shit to shovel first would be my guess
Big shovel...
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Brownie on June 29, 2018, 05:59:37 PM
Perhaps a comment about how all Everton fans love Steven Naismith & hate the beautiful game, because nobody understands football quite like he does

Where is Citizen Tommy? Hasn't been on here in a while
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: blue slug on June 29, 2018, 09:19:48 PM
Have we got a chance of signing this lad? got no idea how much celtic would want for him to
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Toffee1 on June 29, 2018, 09:24:15 PM
This fans site opinion on the possibility of him moving south.

https://celtsarehere.com/hes-not-for-you-kieran-tierney-reality-check/
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: blue slug on June 29, 2018, 09:27:35 PM
not favourable that is it lol
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Toffee1 on June 29, 2018, 09:33:52 PM
not favourable that is it lol

Going for ten in a row - not hard when the other teams can't compete with you over the length of the season.

As others have posted if we do make a move for him, it will come down to whether he want to move to a more competitive league and test himself there?

I would like him here as he does have lots of ability and is young but with lots of playing experience.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Gash on June 29, 2018, 09:44:16 PM
This fans site opinion on the possibility of him moving south.

https://celtsarehere.com/hes-not-for-you-kieran-tierney-reality-check/

They're absolutely deluded, as always. Ten in a row is like the double treble, outside of Celtic fans they're meaningless titles, it's hard to finish second in a one horse race. Ten in row shouldn't be seen as an achievement it should be seen as an embarrassment, if not by Celtic then certainly by the rest of Scottish football.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: TheRam on June 29, 2018, 09:46:06 PM
I doubt he’s arsed about ten in a row myself.

Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Gash on June 29, 2018, 09:54:46 PM
I doubt he’s arsed about ten in a row myself.

He does, I'm pretty sure he's even said it before. To be fair he is a die hard Celtic fan as well as a player. I've said before though, I'd question his ambition if he was given a decent offer by a big club and he opted to stay at Celtic.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: TheRam on June 29, 2018, 10:02:39 PM
He does, I'm pretty sure he's even said it before. To be fair he is a die hard Celtic fan as well as a player. I've said before though, I'd question his ambition if he was given a decent offer by a big club and he opted to stay at Celtic.

Only so long he can stay there before his development hits a wall.

I’d rather we looked elsewhere myself for a left back.

Not doubting this lad is the business but full back is still a position where you can get untapped quality for a good price.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: blue slug on June 29, 2018, 10:02:42 PM
I don't understand how the players feel they have really achieved anything when their league is so one sided, like sticking man city in league one or two
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 29, 2018, 10:12:09 PM
They're absolutely deluded, as always. Ten in a row is like the double treble, outside of Celtic fans they're meaningless titles, it's hard to finish second in a one horse race. Ten in row shouldn't be seen as an achievement it should be seen as an embarrassment, if not by Celtic then certainly by the rest of Scottish football.

The league is laughable bad. 1 top championship side. Couple of league 1 and league 2 sides and a load of non league quality

They could win 20 in a row. It’s utterly meaningless. Scot Sinclair who failed at villa in the championship is a world beater up there
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: D15TIN on June 29, 2018, 10:17:57 PM
Be a great signing, could potentially be our LB for the next 10 years or so, so even a big fee wouldn't bother me too much.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Gash on June 29, 2018, 10:19:28 PM
Scot Sinclair who failed at villa in the championship is a world beater up there

Not really, he couldn't hold down a place in the team for a lot of last season.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: D15TIN on June 29, 2018, 10:22:38 PM


Not doubting this lad is the business but full back is still a position where you can get untapped quality for a good price.
Fair point
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 29, 2018, 11:09:08 PM
Not really, he couldn't hold down a place in the team for a lot of last season.

Has he lost his place. Was player of the year the season before wasn’t he?
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Brownie on June 29, 2018, 11:21:58 PM
I reckon a side made up of posters from here would challenge Celtic for the title. As long as I was in goals though. I've done all the running about I ever want to do
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: blueToffee on June 29, 2018, 11:49:17 PM
Anybody see how he was when they were in Europe? I don't think I saw any of their CL or EL games last season and that is one of the few real gauges of a Celtic player these days.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: GLewis on June 30, 2018, 12:43:46 AM
Anybody see how he was when they were in Europe? I don't think I saw any of their CL or EL games last season and that is one of the few real gauges of a Celtic player these days.

He looks good to be fair.

But then again so did McGeady ;)
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Goaljira on June 30, 2018, 12:52:49 AM
They're absolutely deluded, as always. Ten in a row is like the double treble, outside of Celtic fans they're meaningless titles, it's hard to finish second in a one horse race. Ten in row shouldn't be seen as an achievement it should be seen as an embarrassment, if not by Celtic then certainly by the rest of Scottish football.

Whats a double-treble?
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Gash on June 30, 2018, 12:57:52 AM
Whats a double-treble?

They won the domestic treble two years in a row.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Ross on June 30, 2018, 12:59:09 AM
Whats a double-treble?

A breakfast drink in Glasgow.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: blue slug on June 30, 2018, 12:59:49 AM
The Scottish league, league cup and fa cup two years in a row
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Gash on June 30, 2018, 01:00:53 AM
Anybody see how he was when they were in Europe? I don't think I saw any of their CL or EL games last season and that is one of the few real gauges of a Celtic player these days.

Seen more of him in internationals than club and he's looked decent. It was hard to tell in the CL last year seeing Rogers thought it would be a good idea to go toe to toe with PSG and Bayern which resulted in chaos, especially the two PSG bummings.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Goaljira on June 30, 2018, 01:02:04 AM
They won the domestic treble two years in a row.

So nothing amazing then.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: blue slug on June 30, 2018, 01:03:01 AM
So nothing amazing then.

No especially with rangers on their arses
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Gash on June 30, 2018, 01:09:12 AM
So nothing amazing then.

Not when there isn't much competition.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Shogun on June 30, 2018, 01:14:55 AM
Haven’t seen him much but don’t think he’s worth the risk considering there’ll be options elsewhere.

I’d rather Shaw.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Outworlder47 on June 30, 2018, 02:46:32 AM
Several things here are obvious:
1. Celtic are so far above the standard of the rest of Scottish football it's laughable.
2. By virtue of winning the league every year and jumping to the 2nd Qualifying Round of the CL every season, their club coefficient is reasonably high. They stay in the top 50 by virtue of beating teams from Lithuania in the qualifiers, then flailing miserably at the group stages.
3. Their overall quality is remarkable for its inconsistency. Somehow holding Man City to a 3-3 home draw after losing to Lincoln Red Imps from Gibraltar is bizarre.

They'd likely receive a club record fee for Tierney, which would only have to be ~£15M or so to exceed what they got for Van Dijk. For Celtic fans to suggest it will take anything like a world record fee for a defender is delusional, even given the current markets. Records for fullbacks are around £50M (Mendy and Walker), and I wouldn't pay more than half of that. For £22M, the club could activate the release clause for Júnior Firpo from Real Betis, who is the same age and looked impressive after making his debut in a much tougher league.


Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Bob Sacamano on June 30, 2018, 02:49:54 AM
This guy logics 👆
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: TheRam on June 30, 2018, 03:40:30 AM
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2018/06/29/everton-poised-make-25m-bid-celtic-full-back-kieran-tierney/

From Bascombe this who you must assume has good sources at the club.

Consider this one a goer
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: brap2 on June 30, 2018, 03:47:20 AM
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2018/06/29/everton-poised-make-25m-bid-celtic-full-back-kieran-tierney/

Wow actually might be true that we are bidding
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Alanvideo on June 30, 2018, 03:54:00 AM
Punching above our weight according to ' The Celtic Star '  :wag:
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: TheRam on June 30, 2018, 03:54:03 AM
Forget what I said earlier about wanting us to look elsewhere.

This would be boss.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Bluedylan on June 30, 2018, 04:01:18 AM
Would be loving a bit of that, but would imagine it would cost more than £25m.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Brownie on June 30, 2018, 04:05:15 AM
Punching above our weight according to ' The Celtic Star '  :wag:

Just read that. Knew they had much in common with our neighbours but didn't realise delusion was part of it 😂
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: brap2 on June 30, 2018, 04:06:57 AM
Had my heart set on him for a while.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Gash on June 30, 2018, 04:07:19 AM
£25m is probably the upper limit for anyone in Scottish football, maybe a touch more but I don't think Celtic can expect to get any daft transfer fees for him and I don't see him rocking the boat to move either. In the world of fooballers and their egos he comes across as a really decent, down to earth lad, much like Baines ironically.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Gash on June 30, 2018, 04:08:47 AM
Just read that. Knew they had much in common with our neighbours but didn't realise delusion was part of it 😂

Got a lad at work who supports both Liverpool and Celtic, double the delusions.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: blargins on June 30, 2018, 04:09:21 AM
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2018/06/29/everton-poised-make-25m-bid-celtic-full-back-kieran-tierney/

Wow actually might be true that we are bidding

Page doesnt exist.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Jaydel1975 on June 30, 2018, 04:11:26 AM
Some Celtic fans have dismissed the link with everton.. labelling us as as a small club... aren't man city a small club.  And who wouldn't go there... besides any player worth his salt would jump at the chance to play in the premier league.  And in my opinion no better club than EVERTON FC..
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: brap2 on June 30, 2018, 04:12:16 AM
Page doesnt exist.

Oh well that’s not a great sign is it
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: blueToffee on June 30, 2018, 04:17:41 AM
Page doesnt exist.

That's weird, perhaps doesn't bode well. I read it like 5 mins ago, found a cached version here in case it remains down:

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:ikqyJ5jehBsJ:https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2018/06/29/everton-poised-make-25m-bid-celtic-full-back-kieran-tierney/+&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: blue slug on June 30, 2018, 04:18:11 AM
Does this link work

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2018/06/29/everton-poised-make-25m-bid-celtic-full-back-kieran-tierney/
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: TheRam on June 30, 2018, 04:21:37 AM
Links be taken down.

Fucks sake.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Goaljira on June 30, 2018, 04:21:48 AM
Link isnt working here?
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Bluedylan on June 30, 2018, 04:23:42 AM
Links be taken down.

Fucks sake.

Still the story's out there, and has been written by Bascombe. Maybe an embargo was broken or summat.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Gash on June 30, 2018, 04:25:39 AM
It's probably been released on line too early so taken down until the morning. They still need to sell the paper versions.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: blueToffee on June 30, 2018, 04:25:49 AM
Link isnt working here?

See the cached version I posted above, however, either they pulled the story because it was incorrect (that'd be bad) or they maybe they were asked to by someone at Everton/Celtic so the deal isn't compromised (most hopeful scenario I could muster).

Seems odd the speed it came down though.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Cozzie on June 30, 2018, 04:31:13 AM
The telegraph link works fine for me.

Exciting news.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Macca77 on June 30, 2018, 04:32:53 AM
Link works fine for me
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: blueToffee on June 30, 2018, 04:33:02 AM
The telegraph link works fine for me.

Exciting news.

Ha, yeah it's back...maybe just a typo :)

Got to love a bit of transfer intrigue though.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Cozzie on June 30, 2018, 04:34:21 AM
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/everton-ready-raid-celtic-scottish-12822698

Mirror on it now in all, yeah the mirrors shite like but still exciting.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: TheRam on June 30, 2018, 04:36:00 AM
Bascombe posting it before the 10:30pm embargo the cheeky boy.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: blue slug on June 30, 2018, 04:36:06 AM
He’s signing for sure now
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Cozzie on June 30, 2018, 04:37:44 AM
Now the Mail follows suit.

Love the 10:30 tomorrow papers.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-5902407/amp/Everton-ready-make-summer-swoop-Tierney-despite-Celtic-slapping-25m-price-tag-defender.html?__twitter_impression=true
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: blargins on June 30, 2018, 04:38:27 AM
Does this link work

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2018/06/29/everton-poised-make-25m-bid-celtic-full-back-kieran-tierney/

That works. Thanks.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: TheRam on June 30, 2018, 04:39:12 AM
Dominic king on the act.

The club have briefed the media.

This is most certainly on.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: blue slug on June 30, 2018, 04:39:50 AM
Must be something in this then
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Audrey Horne on June 30, 2018, 04:42:33 AM
Be very excited if this comes off.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Ramjam on June 30, 2018, 04:47:34 AM
This fella is a class act, I’ve been beating his drum for a couple of years now so I hope he signs and proves me right, that 10 in a row will be more difficult for Celtic without him.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Alanvideo on June 30, 2018, 04:47:44 AM
For anyone who can't see the link.................

Everton poised to make £25m bid for Celtic full-back Kieran Tierney

Everton are preparing to bid £25 million for Celtic’s highly-rated left back Kieran Tierney.
New manager Marco Silva and director of football Marcel Brands are looking to rebuild the squad over the pre-season, and Tierney is a prime target. Silva wants a long-term successor to Leighton Baines, and the versatile Scot has proved himself capable in both full-back roles.
For his country he has played right back recently as he fights for his favoured position with Liverpool’s Andrew Robertson. The 21-year-old has also excelled at centre-back for his club.
Tierney is a prized asset for the Scottish champions, who have become accustomed to Premier League interest in the youngster since he made his breakthrough.
He has been the Scottish Premier League’s Young Player of the Year for the last three seasons, and was given the Celtic captaincy on occasion over the last 12 months. He has also been tipped for international captaincy recently.
It would be a coup if Everton could convince the player to make the move to Goodison Park, or agree terms with Celtic. Brendan Rodgers will be desperate to keep his side together, not only to match the domestic treble feats of successive campaigns, but to make more of a mark in the Champions League.
Silva knows Everton’s squad needs a major revamp, despite the significant spending of a year ago. He must not only inject younger, pacier players but also offload the ageing stars he does not see as part of the future. That may be easier said than done given some significant salaries, despite the high profile exit of Wayne Rooney to Major League Soccer earlier this week.
Everton are overloaded with players  past their prime, and the imbalance was fatal to both Ronald Koeman and Sam Allardyce during the course of last season, facilitating another era of change at Goodison.
Tierney is the prototype target of the new management team – a young and exciting player who may be tempted by the challenge of the English Premier League.


Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Cozzie on June 30, 2018, 04:55:56 AM
Reckon it will deffo take more than £25M though.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Macca77 on June 30, 2018, 04:57:08 AM
I refuse to get excited til Joyce reports it as a done deal
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: GLewis on June 30, 2018, 05:05:10 AM
What’s the record fee from Scotland?

Can’t be paying much more than £25m for a defender.

The market they play in must still dictate value to a large extent.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: TheRam on June 30, 2018, 05:06:59 AM
Can’t see it being more than 25mil myself.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Macca77 on June 30, 2018, 05:07:16 AM
What’s the record fee from Scotland?

Can’t be paying much more than £25m for a defender.

The market they play in must still dictate value to a large extent.

Think it's 15 million that Southampton paid for VVD
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Ramjam on June 30, 2018, 05:08:04 AM
Can't see it being more than 25mil myself.
Can’t see it being less myself
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Gash on June 30, 2018, 05:10:18 AM
What’s the record fee from Scotland?

Can’t be paying much more than £25m for a defender.

The market they play in must still dictate value to a large extent.

Think it was £13m for VVD.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Brownie on June 30, 2018, 05:11:53 AM
Ummmmm has anyone read the last line of Kng's article?
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: GLewis on June 30, 2018, 05:13:00 AM
Can’t see it being less myself

Might be why we’ve bid £25m.

One thing with modern transfers is that you don’t bid unless you know the player will sign (or at least wants to exempting if another team comes in as well) if their current club is willing to sell.

Might be pushing this to show the type of player we’re after, of course.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: brap2 on June 30, 2018, 05:15:25 AM
Ummmmm has anyone read the last line of Kng's article?

One of the more surprising ones this isn’t it. Mason going?
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Alanvideo on June 30, 2018, 05:16:54 AM
Record fee for a full back from Scotland is £9m Alan Hutton to Spurs 10 years ago
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Ramjam on June 30, 2018, 05:17:34 AM
Might be why we've bid £25m.

One thing with modern transfers is that you don't bid unless you know the player will sign (or at least wants to exempting if another team comes in as well) if their current club is willing to sell.

Might be pushing this to show the type of player we're after, of course.
Usually start with a lower bid than your prepared to pay and hope for the best, same as we did with Siggy but the low bid didn’t work out too well on that one
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: GLewis on June 30, 2018, 05:17:58 AM
Record fee for a full back from Scotland is £9m Alan Hutton to Spurs 10 years ago

To be fair with inflation that’s about £80m...

Always good for a horrendous tackle too.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Gash on June 30, 2018, 05:23:15 AM
Record fee for a full back from Scotland is £9m Alan Hutton to Spurs 10 years ago

That's another one that blows open the myth that Levy's a great negotiator. Although there was quite possibly more to that given Joe Lewis/Levy's previous Rangers connections.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Alanvideo on June 30, 2018, 05:31:39 AM
That's another one that blows open the myth that Levy's a great negotiator. Although there was quite possibly more to that given Joe Lewis/Levy's previous Rangers connections.
........from Wikipedia......
During the January transfer window in the 2007–08 season, Premier League side Tottenham Hotspur made a bid, believed to be in the £5 million region, for Hutton. He initially rejected the chance to join Spurs, and did so again when they improved their offer. The protracted transfer was finally completed on 30 January 2008, with the fee reported to be in the region of £9 million.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Gash on June 30, 2018, 05:37:37 AM
........from Wikipedia......
During the January transfer window in the 2007–08 season, Premier League side Tottenham Hotspur made a bid, believed to be in the £5 million region, for Hutton. He initially rejected the chance to join Spurs, and did so again when they improved their offer. The protracted transfer was finally completed on 30 January 2008, with the fee reported to be in the region of £9 million.


Yeah, I wasn't doubting the fee.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Trowel on June 30, 2018, 06:05:10 AM
Brenda admits he might have to sell:

https://thecelticstar.com/brendan-says-everton-offer-25m-kt-may-go/

"It will be down to the club in the end. If an astronomical fee comes in for a player and he has wages to match that, the transfer window can dictate he may have to go."
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: MmmblueBernard on June 30, 2018, 06:29:43 AM
Exactly the kind of player we should be buying
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Bob Sacamano on June 30, 2018, 06:33:19 AM
Is he currently seriously linked with anyone other than us?
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Bob Sacamano on June 30, 2018, 06:34:07 AM
Thought we’d shift a couple more before bidding. Trying to keep my excitement to a minimum!
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: blargins on June 30, 2018, 08:41:08 AM
Ummmmm has anyone read the last line of Kng's article?
We’ll need to find a new measurement system if that happens.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: bluenuck on June 30, 2018, 02:36:16 PM
Ummmmm has anyone read the last line of Kng's article?

Can't stand the guy. But what does it say???
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Brownie on June 30, 2018, 02:58:00 PM
Can't stand the guy. But what does it say???

We are open to offers for Holgate
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Lincs Toffee on June 30, 2018, 03:48:37 PM
A guy on Twitter saying confirmed that a £22.8m bid been accepted by Celtic
Fucking awesome if true but resisting getting my cock out just yet !
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Alanvideo on June 30, 2018, 03:54:16 PM
A guy on Twitter saying confirmed that a £22.8m bid been accepted by Celtic
Fucking awesome if true but resisting getting my cock out just yet !
..........yes , 'Agent Kevin' also saying Besic to Celtic for £4.5m . Seems to spout a lot about Scottish football. Who knows.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Bluedylan on June 30, 2018, 03:55:26 PM
..........yes , 'Agent Kevin' also saying Besic to Celtic for £4.5m . Seems to spout a lot about Scottish football. Who knows.

Any chance we can offload McCarthy onto them as well? Kill two birds n that.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Bob Sacamano on June 30, 2018, 04:03:54 PM
Besic would go full Scott Brown up there. Best place for him in a league like that. He’d probably be one of the more entertaining players there too. That would be a great move for him.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Ross on June 30, 2018, 04:18:23 PM
The oracle has spoken..

Quote
Everton have made Kieran Tierney their main transfer target, but will have to pay Celtic more than £25 million to recruit the Scotland left back.

Tierney is understood to be interested in a move that would make him Marco Silva’s first signing, but the 21-year-old will not agitate to leave the Scottish champions, who have given him the platform to launch his burgeoning career.

Silva has made signing a left back and a central defender his priorities since succeeding Sam Allardyce this summer but Everton will have to come up with a bid that will double Celtic’s transfer record received of £13 million for Virgil van Dijk from Southampton in 2015.

There has been no contact between the clubs, but that is likely to change and Celtic will not stand in the player’s way if the money is right.

Tierney has won an army of admirers throughout Europe. Atletico Madrid were said to be monitoring him last season, and he would be the sort of eye-catching signing Silva wants. Everton spent last season without strong competition at left back for Leighton Baines, who missed several months of the campaign due to injury.


Baines has been linked with a move to Portland Timbers, following the MLS path of Wayne Rooney who moved to DC United this week. However, the 33-year-old is understood to be bemused by the speculation and has returned to training before pre-season officially begins to be in the best possible condition for the new campaign.

Everton have been looking to trim back a bloated squad and a hefty wage bill, with Marcel Brands, the director of football, overseeing the reshaping of a squad that underwhelmed last season.

Along with the departure of Rooney, Ramiro Funes Mori, the Argentina defender, has moved to Villarreal for an initial fee of £10 million.

Silva and Brands also want to resolve the futures of Morgan Schneiderlin and Davy Klaassen to name just two players with Everton’s squad due to report for pre-season training on Monday. Schneiderlin is looking to move on after becoming a target for fans’ unrest last season, but the Everton manager has not given up hope of persuading him to stay.


https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/88965526-7bd7-11e8-8b01-f67602c33163
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: TheRam on June 30, 2018, 04:37:07 PM
I absolutely adore Paul Joyce.

Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Gash on June 30, 2018, 04:44:06 PM
Really would be chuffed if we could get this over the line.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Free Agent on June 30, 2018, 04:57:00 PM
I can see Besic becoming a cult hero there. This move is in the best interest of all parties. Let’s get it done!
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: brap2 on June 30, 2018, 04:57:34 PM
I absolutely adore Paul Joyce.



Get a Pavlovian drool going every time I see that little journalistic squiggle on twitter
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: brap2 on June 30, 2018, 04:59:43 PM
I strongly suspect spurs or United will pinch him off our toes so not getting too excited.

But if it comes in I’d be absolutely made up.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Bluedylan on June 30, 2018, 05:01:39 PM
We must be going in properly for him, if all the heavy hitting journos are having some of it simultaneously.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: sam of the south on June 30, 2018, 05:13:17 PM
I strongly suspect spurs or United will pinch him off our toes so not getting too excited.

But if it comes in I’d be absolutely made up.

Yeah, I’m expecting that too.

Would be gutting, I’m all in on this one now
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Alanvideo on June 30, 2018, 05:17:20 PM
I don't think they like us at Celtic Talk............ lolol

<<<  but i swear to * if this board forces KT out the door to join that * mob of tracksuit wearin, glue snifin, dole monkeys there will be riots
25m like
only a mid table epl trophyless * hole like everton could be so * cheeky
and if any of you toffee * are lurkin, go back to banging your sister and reminiscing about your last trophy, the * charity sheild, 23 years ago >>> 
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: TheRam on June 30, 2018, 05:18:25 PM
I should just let it pass but it does wind me up when they bring out the dole shouts
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: sam of the south on June 30, 2018, 05:20:26 PM
I should just let it pass but it does wind me up when they bring out the dole shouts

Yep, it’s totally right-wing and bigoted
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Cozzie on June 30, 2018, 05:23:18 PM
Paul Joyce is the one I was waiting for.

This confirms it then. Not getting too excited mind as I cant for the life of me see us as the only club in for him.

Great if we can get this over the line.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: brap2 on June 30, 2018, 05:25:33 PM
I should just let it pass but it does wind me up when they bring out the dole shouts

I personally hate the way Celtic fans bum the arse off Liverpool but hate everton.

Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: velimski on June 30, 2018, 05:27:11 PM
Never seen him play but happy to get overly excited based on the opinions of most on here.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Gash on June 30, 2018, 05:28:41 PM
I don't think they like us at Celtic Talk............ lolol

<<<  but i swear to * if this board forces KT out the door to join that * mob of tracksuit wearin, glue snifin, dole monkeys there will be riots
25m like
only a mid table epl trophyless * hole like everton could be so * cheeky
and if any of you toffee * are lurkin, go back to banging your sister and reminiscing about your last trophy, the * charity sheild, 23 years ago >>> 

Has ScouseHoops commented yet? He'll have some split loyalties there. :)
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: mikey_blue on June 30, 2018, 05:30:34 PM
I should just let it pass but it does wind me up when they bring out the dole shouts

Especially when Glasgow is hardly known for us opulence.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Bluedylan on June 30, 2018, 05:33:18 PM
I should just let it pass but it does wind me up when they bring out the dole shouts

Drives me insane. The insanity of one working class, industrial city that's been fucked over attacking another is incredible really. Breathtakingly stupid on every level.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Macca77 on June 30, 2018, 05:34:03 PM
I don't think they like us at Celtic Talk............ lolol

<<<  but i swear to * if this board forces KT out the door to join that * mob of tracksuit wearin, glue snifin, dole monkeys there will be riots
25m like
only a mid table epl trophyless * hole like everton could be so * cheeky
and if any of you toffee * are lurkin, go back to banging your sister and reminiscing about your last trophy, the * charity sheild, 23 years ago >>> 

I pictured Rab C Nesbitt while reading that.

And yes I'm a tad excited now Joyce has confirmed our interest
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Alanvideo on June 30, 2018, 05:37:53 PM
I personally hate the way Celtic fans bum the arse off Liverpool but hate everton.


.............I believe they are very conflicted now that Gerrard is at Rangers. 
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: sam of the south on June 30, 2018, 05:45:07 PM
Drives me insane. The insanity of one working class, industrial city that's been fucked over attacking another is incredible really. Breathtakingly stupid on every level.

It is the hallmark of divide & rule, unfortunately: get those on the lower parts of the feudal pyramid to see each other as direct competitors/enemies, and to not look up to see the real reason they are oppressed.

Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Brownie on June 30, 2018, 05:46:07 PM
I don't think they like us at Celtic Talk............ lolol

<<<  but i swear to * if this board forces KT out the door to join that * mob of tracksuit wearin, glue snifin, dole monkeys there will be riots
25m like
only a mid table epl trophyless * hole like everton could be so * cheeky
and if any of you toffee * are lurkin, go back to banging your sister and reminiscing about your last trophy, the * charity sheild, 23 years ago >>> 

Oh, I think I'm going to have to create an account on there now. Get the popcorn ready lads
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Macca77 on June 30, 2018, 05:48:37 PM
Celtic would struggle in the championship, the Scottish Prem is a joke
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Alanvideo on June 30, 2018, 05:57:20 PM
Has ScouseHoops commented yet? He'll have some split loyalties there. :)
.................haven't seen his posts. Tbf  quite a few of their posters 'don't mind Everton ' because we have local support but we are not worthy of Tierney and why would he want to leave ' Paradise ' anyway.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: AllyBlue14 on June 30, 2018, 06:03:40 PM
Yep, it’s totally right-wing and bigoted

Is Glasgow even right wing?
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Brownie on June 30, 2018, 06:04:48 PM
Has ScouseHoops commented yet? He'll have some split loyalties there. :)

Is that Thomas?
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 30, 2018, 06:17:46 PM
Celtic are a tiny club. The reality is it’s very difficult to rise much above the standard of league you play in and they play in a pub league
Their trophies are almost meaningless. They can’t compete on wages and transfers with even good championship clubs. Their fans are in denial. They aren’t some sort of super club. Plenty of worse clubs than ours have pinched their best players
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: sam of the south on June 30, 2018, 06:44:38 PM
Is Glasgow even right wing?

No, but a lot of British, white working class males of a certain age are in their thought processes
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Brownie on June 30, 2018, 07:12:14 PM
Celtic are a tiny club. The reality is it’s very difficult to rise much above the standard of league you play in and they play in a pub league
Their trophies are almost meaningless. They can’t compete on wages and transfers with even good championship clubs. Their fans are in denial. They aren’t some sort of super club. Plenty of worse clubs than ours have pinched their best players

One fan on their forum saying they should offer him £50k a week to stay says it all really. He'd pocket that easily in the PL at a nothing club
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 30, 2018, 07:27:35 PM
One fan on their forum saying they should offer him £50k a week to stay says it all really. He'd pocket that easily in the PL at a nothing club

Exactly and that’s an outlandish sum in their heads to suit their argument.

He could get double that with us no problem and then a couple of seasons down here and he could be getting 250-300k a week if a top team comes in for him. He’s on 15k a week I think I read. They have zero hope of keeping their talents
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Shropshire Blue on June 30, 2018, 07:30:00 PM
Never trust a man who eats fried mars bars and wears a skirt.

Good advice that has served me well over the years
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Paddockoldie on June 30, 2018, 07:41:26 PM
I don't think they like us at Celtic Talk............ lolol

<<<  but i swear to * if this board forces KT out the door to join that * mob of tracksuit wearin, glue snifin, dole monkeys there will be riots
25m like
only a mid table epl trophyless * hole like everton could be so * cheeky
and if any of you toffee * are lurkin, go back to banging your sister and reminiscing about your last trophy, the * charity sheild, 23 years ago >>>

That's some comment from a skirt wearing piss head. I'd love us to sign him now, just to piss these toothless tramps off. As for banging yer sister? I haven't got one.. #whynotme?
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on June 30, 2018, 07:42:58 PM
Id love to be wearing a kilt and drinking ale today tbf, Fuckin roasting.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Gash on June 30, 2018, 07:45:41 PM
Never trust a man who eats fried mars bars and wears a skirt.

Good advice that has served me well over the years

Lovely bit of stereotyping there.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Toddacelli on June 30, 2018, 08:57:08 PM
You think he'd cost more than £75m?

Nah mate, not having that.

Maybe he won't in this move, maybe it'll be his next...
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Brownie on June 30, 2018, 09:18:21 PM
Just signed him for £19m on FM. Have that you sweaties!!!!
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Free Agent on June 30, 2018, 09:49:20 PM
Just signed him for £19m on FM. Have that you sweaties!!!!

But he’s not the best LB in the game  :evil:
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Shropshire Blue on June 30, 2018, 10:32:25 PM
Lovely bit of stereotyping there.
Stereotyping?
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Shropshire Blue on June 30, 2018, 10:37:34 PM
Not worth a thread of it's own but it brought back memories of a benefit game for one of our players donkeys years ago against Rangers. Was at the Park End of the, then, paddock,  and throughout the whole game there was the continual sound of breaking glass as their fans just kept lobbing their empty bottles to the empty front of the Park End as it was pissing down and they were stood under the old stand at the back. Nothing malicious, just convenient!!
Haven't thought about that for years.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: MmmblueBernard on June 30, 2018, 11:05:33 PM
MmmBlueTierney

Yes!
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Ross on June 30, 2018, 11:09:45 PM
MmmBlueTierney

Yes!

The poor bastards doomed now!
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Mac934 on July 01, 2018, 12:02:26 AM
Not worth a thread of it's own but it brought back memories of a benefit game for one of our players donkeys years ago against Rangers. Was at the Park End of the, then, paddock,  and throughout the whole game there was the continual sound of breaking glass as their fans just kept lobbing their empty bottles to the empty front of the Park End as it was pissing down and they were stood under the old stand at the back. Nothing malicious, just convenient!!
Haven't thought about that for years.
Ken McNaught's Testimonial, the pitch was flooded and a mad Jock did a streak from Park End towards the Gwladys Street, copper grabbed him by the goolies from behind and marched him off. Remember it well. And the Rangers fans attacked the Gwladys street end when they opened the gates with about ten minutes to go. Fuck knows what the score was, I just remember the incidents, I was only 15 at the time!
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: sam of the south on July 01, 2018, 12:07:57 AM
Fuck, my hopes are totally raised.

I’ll be thoroughly grimmed out when we wheel out Patrick Van Aanholt now.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: brap2 on July 01, 2018, 12:34:32 AM
The poor bastards doomed now!

Having bluebanega flash backs
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: gizzblue on July 01, 2018, 01:03:19 AM
That Celtic rant gave me a giggle ....sounds like he was reading from a Maggie Thatcher advisors script in the early eighties with his slurs  lolol. ...be asking to build a walk round Liverpool city next .


Sure it's already been said but only the shite fans share the delusion heights of Celtic probably why they share an arse .
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Silas on July 01, 2018, 01:26:09 AM
This is a real statement if we pull it off and shows a strong awareness by Brands and Silva of the need to build for the future. Give Baines a season to tutor Tierney plenty of games available
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: blue slug on July 01, 2018, 01:32:21 AM
This is a real statement if we pull it off and shows a strong awareness by Brands and Silva of the need to build for the future. Give Baines a season to tutor Tierney plenty of games available

Definitely would be a great signing and more inspiring than Walsh’s efforts
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Brownie on July 01, 2018, 01:34:00 AM
Seems the stories of Silva liking to sort the defence out first are true. Expecting a CB to come in soon too
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Cereal Killer on July 01, 2018, 01:50:46 AM
Seems the stories of Silva liking to sort the defence out first are true. Expecting a CB to come in soon too

But but but he didn't make Watford defend, he's just another Martinez who doesn't bother with defence  :hail:
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: MmmblueBernard on July 01, 2018, 02:11:59 AM
Having bluebanega flash backs

The nightmare is real. He’s exactly what we need.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Evertonian in NC on July 01, 2018, 08:23:11 AM
MmmBlueTierney

Yes!

Does this mean I should also duct tape over the back of my #9 Sandro shirt?  As y'all know, I'm quite the classy fella.  :D
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Shropshire Blue on July 01, 2018, 08:50:48 AM
Ken McNaught's Testimonial, the pitch was flooded and a mad Jock did a streak from Park End towards the Gwladys Street, copper grabbed him by the goolies from behind and marched him off. Remember it well. And the Rangers fans attacked the Gwladys street end when they opened the gates with about ten minutes to go. Fuck knows what the score was, I just remember the incidents, I was only 15 at the time!
It's  a great relief as one gets older that the memory remains reasonably intact! You've made me feel much better.☺
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Brownie on July 01, 2018, 03:26:24 PM
Little toerag has just handed in a transfer request in his first season despite me having us in 4th and in the semis of the EL. Swerve him lads. Serve him
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Trowel on July 01, 2018, 03:53:28 PM
Little toerag has just handed in a transfer request in his first season despite me having us in 4th and in the semis of the EL. Swerve him lads. Serve him
Sounds like a story the Echo would run with - give their news desk a call!
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Brownie on July 01, 2018, 04:13:47 PM
Sounds like a story the Echo would run with - give their news desk a call!

I'm on the blower now.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Toffee1 on July 01, 2018, 04:20:49 PM
Little toerag has just handed in a transfer request in his first season despite me having us in 4th and in the semis of the EL. Swerve him lads. Serve him

Sounds like you are managing him in the way Jose is handling Luke Shaw and not cuddling him and filling him with false hope like Roberto.

Shame this is not real and you can't get on the phone to the Echo as this quote from the late and great Brian Clough would be perfect here.

Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Shogun on July 01, 2018, 04:37:29 PM
Little toerag has just handed in a transfer request in his first season despite me having us in 4th and in the semis of the EL. Swerve him lads. Serve him

These games are so accurate these days that I wouldn’t be surprised if that was a true reflection of his personality.

Seamus Coleman once told me on FIFA 17 he wanted to leave Everton because he couldn’t get used to the language.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Lxxx on July 01, 2018, 04:38:57 PM
I like the fact Silva is coming at it from the Pochettino school of thought in that a young athletic full back offers so much more to a team than just restricting the opposition attacking down one side.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Jamokachi on July 01, 2018, 05:16:02 PM
Seamus Coleman once told me on FIFA 17 he wanted to leave Everton because he couldn’t get used to the language.

Haha, I had similar. Board sold him as he was "homesick". They sold him to Spurs ffs.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Gash on July 01, 2018, 05:23:21 PM
I like the fact Silva is coming at it from the Pochettino school of thought in that a young athletic full back offers so much more to a team than just restricting the opposition attacking down one side.


And coincidentally Spurs are reported to be after him as well.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Ramjam on July 01, 2018, 05:24:31 PM
And coincidentally Spurs are reported to be after him as well.
Rose to Everton it is then
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Lxxx on July 01, 2018, 05:28:54 PM
And coincidentally Spurs are reported to be after him as well.

They could sell Rose for about double what it would cost them for Tierney. It'd be a great way to help rebuild their squad, Levy would love that kind of deal.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Morta75 on July 02, 2018, 12:23:57 AM
Yes, please  :cheers:
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Martip on July 02, 2018, 02:32:39 AM
Havent seen much if him is he any good ?
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: brap2 on July 02, 2018, 02:42:25 AM
Havent seen much if him is he any good ?

Like if Baines and Coleman had a baby. A good footballer & great athlete who’d run through brickwalls.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Martip on July 02, 2018, 02:52:19 AM
Like if Baines and Coleman had a baby. A good footballer & great athlete who’d run through brickwalls.
I'm all in then !
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Simon Paul on July 02, 2018, 03:53:47 AM
Only time I watched Tierney was when we were linked with him in January and he got bullied by an elderly Rangers forward who would be playing football with a bell in it if Rangers hadn't been so desperate
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Gash on July 02, 2018, 04:05:36 AM
Only time I watched Tierney was when we were linked with him in January and he got bullied by an elderly Rangers forward who would be playing football with a bell in it if Rangers hadn't been so desperate

Kenny Miller? He only played in one Old Firm game and that was as a second half sub in September.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Jimmywhack on July 02, 2018, 02:12:51 PM
I'd take Tierney as an understudy to baines but not at the money they would want
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Toddacelli on July 02, 2018, 02:27:17 PM
Love the story about him breaking his jaw and losing two teeth in the cup final and then racing back from the hospital and running into the stadium, still in his kit in time to get a medal with the rest of the team. No-one's wanted a medal on the pitch that badly since John Terry!
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Ramjam on July 02, 2018, 02:34:38 PM
Love the story about him breaking his jaw and losing two teeth in the cup final and then racing back from the hospital and running into the stadium, still in his kit in time to get a medal with the rest of the team. No-one's wanted a medal on the pitch that badly since John Terry!
To be fair, he’s a Celtic fanatic as well as professional footballer and I think he’d want to be there whether he was getting a medal or not. If he signs for us I hope we get the same dedication, would be nice to see that at our club again rather than some of the money grabbing shite that’s there atm, and I’m sure no names need to be mentioned as we all already know who they are.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Macca77 on July 02, 2018, 02:52:23 PM
Whats the latest on this then, have we made an official approach for him or is it still just speculation and paper chat?
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Ramjam on July 02, 2018, 03:01:04 PM
Whats the latest on this then, have we made an official approach for him or is it still just speculation and paper chat?
Apparently Rogers has said that a good offer would be considered and Tierney has said that he won’t force a move and it would be between the two clubs to sort it out
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Toffee1 on July 02, 2018, 03:22:01 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-5907575/Everton-push-Kieran-Tierney-asking-price-prepare-25m-move.html
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Macca77 on July 02, 2018, 03:36:10 PM
ITK after his name almost certainly means this fella a complete whopper

https://twitter.com/AgentKevinITK/status/1012980039519014912
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Brownie on July 02, 2018, 04:11:22 PM
ITK after his name almost certainly means this fella a complete whopper

https://twitter.com/AgentKevinITK/status/1012980039519014912

Stopped reading at agent
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Bluedylan on July 02, 2018, 04:16:13 PM
Really good player, and would be happy to get him, but about half of me wanting to sign him now revolves around wanting to ram it down Celtic fans' throats and remind them of their lowly status on the football pyramid.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Lxxx on July 02, 2018, 04:24:37 PM
If the rumours of Besic in part exchange are true it would make sense. Besic's salary would be within their structure, he'd look great up there and it'd allow us to get another off the wage bill and get Tierney's fee down.
Hope this one comes off, it'd future proof that position for the next decade. Although Man U probably thought similar when they bought Shaw so you never know how big money moves will affect young lads, granted we're not at the same pressure levels as them though.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Mick 1995 on July 02, 2018, 04:28:25 PM
As I say, I'm not in anyway optimistic about anyone from league's like Scotland/France/Holland and the ilk. They're gambles.

But fair enough, of the entire league this guy looks like he can make the step up. (As long as is drive isn't tied to boyhood club loyalties, few of the 30+ group will remember being gutted we missed out on Barry Ferguson from rangers and then seeing what he was like at Blackburn).

In today's market I'd be happy to pay £20m and send up both Besic and McCarthy to be honest. They'd both do a good job up there and clear out our squad further.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on July 02, 2018, 04:33:06 PM
Jesus, 55 appearances last season, and played a bit at right back and centre back too.

Obviously bored :) so just for a bit of fun at this stage, if this happens, and with one or two more speculations coming true... here's my team to start away to Wolves ;)

Pickford

Keane ----- Lascelles

Coleman ---------------------------- Tierney
Carvallo

RLC -------- Sig

Walcott ----------------------- Lozano
Tosun


#NotTooSerious

Yes, I still think he wants Carvallo. so to balance the slow and crab like claims:

Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: di_guyo on July 02, 2018, 05:24:26 PM
If the rumours of Besic in part exchange are true it would make sense. Besic's salary would be within their structure, he'd look great up there and it'd allow us to get another off the wage bill and get Tierney's fee down.
Hope this one comes off, it'd future proof that position for the next decade. Although Man U probably thought similar when they bought Shaw so you never know how big money moves will affect young lads, granted we're not at the same pressure levels as them though.

Agreed, Besic would do well there. Something like receiving 20m plus Besic would be great business for Celtic.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Toddacelli on July 02, 2018, 05:30:58 PM
Besic would boss their league without breaking a sweat.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on July 02, 2018, 05:56:32 PM
Could be their new Scott Brown.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Waltzer on July 02, 2018, 06:11:05 PM
Besic would be their joint highest earner on 25k per week if he got the same deal, McCarthy would have to take a 50% cut for them even to consider him so I cant see that ever happening
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: MmmblueBernard on July 02, 2018, 07:18:33 PM
Besic at Celtic? Proper cult hero stuff. Especially after the 30s dismissal in his first old firm derby.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Mick 1995 on July 02, 2018, 07:41:47 PM
Besic would be their joint highest earner on 25k per week if he got the same deal, McCarthy would have to take a 50% cut for them even to consider him so I cant see that ever happening

He'd agreed that deal in principle before he got injured a little while ago.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Simon Paul on July 02, 2018, 08:11:21 PM
Kenny Miller? He only played in one Old Firm game and that was as a second half sub in September.
He got absolutely ransacked in the first half of a game where Rangers ran riot in the first half until celtic destroyed them while carrying this kid
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Thomas on July 02, 2018, 08:16:48 PM
Delighted and gutted?

I'd go more for "I told you so, didn't I tell you all, but you all laughed, but I'm right, I'm always right, who told you so"
https://youtu.be/ujg0Penfups

Na delighted and gutted would be more accurate.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: D15TIN on July 02, 2018, 09:52:21 PM
As I say, I'm not in anyway optimistic about anyone from league's like Scotland/France/Holland and the ilk. They're gambles.

But fair enough, of the entire league this guy looks like he can make the step up. (As long as is drive isn't tied to boyhood club loyalties, few of the 30+ group will remember being gutted we missed out on Barry Ferguson from rangers and then seeing what he was like at Blackburn).

In today's market I'd be happy to pay £20m and send up both Besic and McCarthy to be honest. They'd both do a good job up there and clear out our squad further.
In fairness to celtic - Wanyama, Van Dijk & Forster all made the grade in the PL
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: D15TIN on July 02, 2018, 09:54:30 PM
If the rumours of Besic in part exchange are true it would make sense. Besic's salary would be within their structure, he'd look great up there and it'd allow us to get another off the wage bill and get Tierney's fee down.
Hope this one comes off, it'd future proof that position for the next decade. Although Man U probably thought similar when they bought Shaw so you never know how big money moves will affect young lads, granted we're not at the same pressure levels as them though.
Not seen the besic link, wheres that? Besic would boss that league
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Mick 1995 on July 02, 2018, 10:14:54 PM
In fairness to celtic - Wanyama, Van Dijk & Forster all made the grade in the PL

There are plenty from the Dutch & French leagues that have made the step.

I'm not saying that playing there automatically makes you shit. I'm just saying that playing there automatically makes you more of a gamble than playing in Germany/Spain/Italy/England (and there have been plenty of flops from all of them leagues as well).
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Goaljira on July 02, 2018, 10:27:35 PM
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Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Confucius on July 02, 2018, 10:30:55 PM
That was my point too
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Thomas on July 03, 2018, 12:24:02 AM
I'll ignore the ignorant posts about Scott Sinclair (who doesn't even start) or Tims preferring Liverpool (A WEEK ON TALK CELTIC WILL TELL YOU THEY DONT) OR Celtic being a 'tiny'/right wing club and people slagging players they haven't even seen in a league they never watch and dimishing a clubs achievements when Everton haven't won anything for 23 years. Plenty of stars (as have been mentioned by better posters) have come out of that league from VVD to Wanyama and Roberston. The next one will be James Maddison who an EPL club will buy after a great year at Aberdeen and a decent year at Norwich. Also although I think @Gash (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=14) has always been dead on with this issue i'd remind him that did Matt Lettiser etc lack ambition for not leaving Southampton? Still made him a quality international player.

That aside why should KT sign for Everton? Its dead simple. He encapsulates what an Everton player should be. Determined, brave and an absolute workhorse but he is someone who can also play football in an attractive way. Good in defence and attack. He plays the game with his heart on his sleeve and I'll be amazed if he doesn't captain a Premier League Team. He reminds me a lot of Leighton Baines and also Dennis Irwin. Both quality full backs. The lad got me believing in football again as for once it was about loving his boyhood club and playing his natural game rather than money and talent being coached out of him. He usually plays well in important games and can score in them too (See his goal vs Aberdeen away).

@Simon Paul (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=1) mentioned how he has had poor games in big situations such as at Ibrox. All young players have poor games. Tom Davies has a poor game week in week out but nobody says anything on here but instead blows smoke out of his arse. The fact is KT was voted best full back in the group stages of the CL which for a team coming 3rd is a big statement. Athletico Madrid where touted by all reputable media outlets as watching him last season.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40889350
https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/teams/celtic/celtic-s-kieran-tierney-named-in-uefa-s-champions-league-xi-1-4646894

As @Brownie20 (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=169) knows I would happily spend a king's ransom on the lad as I've not seen a player in a while I'm so excited about. Selling him for Celtic would be like a Rooney moment. Sad but the club's board as in Rooney's case might do the pushing rather than the other way around. That is the fear of the Celtic fans as they rightly see a player who does not want to leave, has CLEARLY as @Gash (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=14) himself has rightly said wants to stay for 10 in a row and captain the club. This brings me onto my next point.....

The only teams Celtic supporters can see KT leaving for and being worth his while are the top 4. I have a Man Utd mate at Uni who has loved him for 2 years although he is aware they ruined Liam Miller and as mentioned Barry Ferguson turned out to be shite in our league. But Celtic supporters (If you read the Celtic forums) are clear this is a one in a generation player. He is priceless. The Dembele circus helped keep the limelight and suitors off him because he is equally if not more important to the team than Moussa. As Tims keep saying unless someone offers him silly wages and its a club who can CLEARY win things at without a huge transitional phase, he is better off staying where he belongs. My heart says  I would love him at Everton buy my head agrees with fellow Tims. Unless its a team capable of getting itno the CL he should stay put.

If however he did sign for us I can guarantee you that every Evertonian would fall in love with him. As @Toddacelli (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=2432) has said the lad breaking his jaw, carrying on, being brought off against his will in a treble chasing final against 'The Sheep' (Aberdeen) and then rushing to hospuital and back to pick up the cup tells you the type of lad he is. He has the talent but has the maturity as well. If we buy him it would be an amazing signing but I still think he will stay put and sign for Man Utd or someone further up the league.

The whole situation reminds me of Yarmolenko/Rooney at Dynamo Kyiv or Everton,





Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Brownie on July 03, 2018, 12:32:01 AM
Matt Le Tissier a quality international. Didn't he play like three games for England?
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Audrey Horne on July 03, 2018, 12:34:03 AM
Maddison is already with Leicester...
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Thomas on July 03, 2018, 12:34:14 AM
Matt Le Tissier a quality international. Didn't he play like three games for England?
Haha. Good point poorly made by me. But basically all's I was trying to say was Evertonian's would love KT. He is exactly the type of player our fans would love. Plus Weedgies and Scousers are so similar and have always appreciated the same qualities/things.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on July 03, 2018, 12:34:36 AM
Dennis Irwin...
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Audrey Horne on July 03, 2018, 12:34:45 AM
Also its ATLETICO ...
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Thomas on July 03, 2018, 12:34:48 AM
Maddison is already with Leicester...
Well you've just proved my point, They also wanted to buy Paddy Roberts too. So the SPL isn't as bad as some think.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Thomas on July 03, 2018, 12:36:34 AM
Dennis Irwin...

Great left foot and two footed. Good in defence and attack. Won everything at Man Utd. He was in Roy Keane's all time best Man Utd team.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Gash on July 03, 2018, 12:36:39 AM
Matt Le Tissier a quality international. Didn't he play like three games for England?

I did wonder that, 8 according to Wiki. Hardly an England legend but that's for another day.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Brownie on July 03, 2018, 12:38:44 AM
I did wonder that, 8 according to Wiki. Hardly an England legend but that's for another day.

Opens the General Football Forum 😉
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: blargins on July 03, 2018, 12:49:19 AM
Great left foot and two footed. Good in defence and attack. Won everything at Man Utd. He was in Roy Keane's all time best Man Utd team.

Dennis Irwin was quality. Don't think Utd have ever replaced him properly.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Thomas on July 03, 2018, 12:52:13 AM
Dennis Irwin was quality. Don't think Utd have ever replaced him properly.

Thanks for the love our Tricky. :)
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: blue slug on July 03, 2018, 12:53:42 AM
Yeah Irwin was brilliant defensively and going forward to a class player
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Thomas on July 03, 2018, 12:57:52 AM
Yeah Irwin was brilliant defensively and going forward to a class player

Thats the best comparison i can make for KT.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: blue slug on July 03, 2018, 01:04:32 AM
Thats the best comparison i can make for KT.

If he’s that good we should be really pushing for this transfer
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: brap2 on July 03, 2018, 01:05:22 AM
They bum the fucking arse off Liverpool
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Thomas on July 03, 2018, 01:13:33 AM
If he’s that good we should be really pushing for this transfer

This is a one off mate. The lad as @Gash (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=14)  has said has clearly explained he has a few thing to do at his boyhood club first. I'm also certain unless he leaves for a top 4 club the supporters will be disappointed.  A better situation/way to leave would be a Gravesen going to Real Madrid type scenario where no fan could question that. I still think he'll be at Celtic for a couple of years yet. Down to earth boy although I'm not soft, money plays its part.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Thomas on July 03, 2018, 01:14:46 AM
They bum the fucking arse off Liverpool

You sure? Read their forum. Steven Gerrard is a hun ffs.

Talking nonsense. Especially when the Irish Toffees are one of our best supporters clubs and some of them watch both.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Thomas on July 03, 2018, 01:16:17 AM
They bum the fucking arse off Liverpool

Who would you buy instead?

Instead of being a little cliquey #safe poster, tell me who you would buy instead.

At the moment the best people can say is some lad from Porto or Van Aarnholt at Palace.

Ad hominem attacks and trying to be funyn wont answer my question.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Bob Sacamano on July 03, 2018, 01:20:44 AM
Still a pub league though innit.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: toffee_scot on July 03, 2018, 01:20:47 AM
Would be great if we could pull this transfer off.

My concern though is how long the club might spend on negotiations etc, if he is going to cost a lot of money and if he is actually happy to remain at Celtic then I hope the club have a backup plan, otherwise I can see Baines being the only left back at Everton until January.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Makis on July 03, 2018, 01:22:37 AM
Well you've just proved my point, They also wanted to buy Paddy Roberts too. So the SPL isn't as bad as some think.
So why do they loose to these partners in Europe and why do teams apart from Celtic have such poor coefficients?
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: blue slug on July 03, 2018, 01:24:06 AM
I don’t think anyone can deny the Scottish league is shite but there are some good players up there sometimes
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: eugene on July 03, 2018, 01:25:41 AM
I don't think anyone can deny the Scottish league is shite but there are some good players up there sometimes
And a hell of a lot of PL hasbeens
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: blue slug on July 03, 2018, 01:30:16 AM
Agree eugene but you do get the odd good one like wanyama and van dijk
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Thomas on July 03, 2018, 01:31:43 AM
So why do they loose to these partners in Europe and why do teams apart from Celtic have such poor coefficients?

Because the CL is a European SUper League in all but name, its a complete cartel dedicated to protecting the big teams for marketing purposes The last final had a team in it who hadn't won their domestic league in 29 years and Real Madrid who had not won their own in a while either.

Basically, Uefa screwed the smaller nations teams who actually win their own leagues in favour of the top 4 of each big nation.  You can say thats practical but its also immoral.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Goaljira on July 03, 2018, 01:40:27 AM
Because the CL is a European SUper League in all but name, its a complete cartel dedicated to protecting the big teams for marketing purposes The last final had a team in it who hadn't won their domestic league in 29 years and Real Madrid who had not won their own in a while either.

Basically, Uefa screwed the smaller nations teams who actually win their own leagues in favour of the top 4 of each big nation.  You can say thats practical but its also immoral.

How is it immoral?
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: brap2 on July 03, 2018, 01:43:53 AM
Who would you buy instead?

Instead of being a little cliquey #safe poster, tell me who you would buy instead.

At the moment the best people can say is some lad from Porto or Van Aarnholt at Palace.

Ad hominem attacks and trying to be funyn wont answer my question.

I would love Tierney here.

But Celtic bum the fucking arse off Liverpool & it’s a fact.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: AllyBlue14 on July 03, 2018, 01:46:27 AM
Or it's a competition that pits the best talent in Europe. I agree if it's the 'Champions League', then it should be the teams that have finished top of their leagues. But it would be an absolutely nothing tournament if Celtic, Skonto Riga and Glentoran, for example, were playing before Real Madrid and United.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: D15TIN on July 03, 2018, 01:57:07 AM
He's 1/1 with Skybet to join us
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Bob Sacamano on July 03, 2018, 02:04:47 AM
Get the deal done Brandawg
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Makis on July 03, 2018, 02:57:08 AM
Because the CL is a European SUper League in all but name, its a complete cartel dedicated to protecting the big teams for marketing purposes The last final had a team in it who hadn't won their domestic league in 29 years and Real Madrid who had not won their own in a while either.

Basically, Uefa screwed the smaller nations teams who actually win their own leagues in favour of the top 4 of each big nation.  You can say thats practical but its also immoral.
So that's the reason teams like FC Copenhagen, Sparta Praha, Viktoria Plzen and Dnipro Dnipropetrovsk are above Celtic. They are #48 is UEFA coefficients. The next best Scottish team in that list is Aberdeen at #236. Then there are six teams between #263 and #270. The one other team in that bracket? None other than the footballing giants of Torpedo Zhodino. Let's look at some other giants that are above those six teams: FK Ventspils, PFC Litex Lovech, Käpäz PFK and Neftçi PFK. Above Aberdeen in the rankings you can find teams like CS Pandurii Târgu Jiu, Ermis Aradippou FC, Hapoel Ramat Gan FC, The New Saints FC, Gabala SC and FK Žalgiris Vilnius.

And it's UEFA's fault that Scottish teams loose to opponents like Progrès Niederkorn and Trakai?


Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Thomas on July 03, 2018, 03:12:33 AM
So that's the reason teams like FC Copenhagen, Sparta Praha, Viktoria Plzen and Dnipro Dnipropetrovsk are above Celtic. They are #48 is UEFA coefficients. The next best Scottish team in that list is Aberdeen at #236. Then there are six teams between #263 and #270. The one other team in that bracket? None other than the footballing giants of Torpedo Zhodino. Let's look at some other giants that are above those six teams: FK Ventspils, PFC Litex Lovech, Käpäz PFK and Neftçi PFK. Above Aberdeen in the rankings you can find teams like CS Pandurii Târgu Jiu, Ermis Aradippou FC, Hapoel Ramat Gan FC, The New Saints FC, Gabala SC and FK Žalgiris Vilnius.

And it's UEFA's fault that Scottish teams loose to opponents like Progrès Niederkorn and Trakai?




So you agree with top 4 dominance above league champions across Europe?
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Bally on July 03, 2018, 03:16:28 AM
ITK after his name almost certainly means this fella a complete whopper

https://twitter.com/AgentKevinITK/status/1012980039519014912
128 followers at the time of posting it too, the fucking arse truffle
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Bally on July 03, 2018, 03:20:05 AM
This Keiran Tierney isn't top 6 material though is he, fucking celtic ffs no challenge at all.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Brownie on July 03, 2018, 03:20:53 AM
This Keiran Tierney isn't top 6 material though is he, fucking celtic ffs no challenge at all.

Mwhahahahahaha
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Makis on July 03, 2018, 03:24:13 AM
Say what?

There is a big gulf to leagues some here say are poor, like the Dutch league. In the association club coefficients, which calculates all results from the past five years for every participating team from each member association, Scotland is #26 below leagues like Azerbaijan (#23), Cyprus (#19) and Israel (#18) and just above Belarus and Kazakhstan. Netherlands for instance is #14. What if were to sign a player from the Azerbaijan league? Would there be some questions on the quality of the league? Never mind that, I've seen people call the French league (#5) weak.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Thomas on July 03, 2018, 03:24:39 AM
This Keiran Tierney isn't top 6 material though is he, fucking celtic ffs no challenge at all.

Wanyama?
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Simon Paul on July 03, 2018, 03:26:51 AM
Wanyama?
Van Dyk as well

That's two in about 5 years. It's an improvement.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Bally on July 03, 2018, 03:28:38 AM
Wanyama?
The fuck has my Ma got to do with it
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Thomas on July 03, 2018, 03:31:30 AM
The fuck has my Ma got to do with it
Also VVD for Liverpool.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: GLewis on July 03, 2018, 03:37:49 AM
Interestingly Wanyama and VVD had to go to S’hampton first.

Doubt top 4/6 will take an spl player at top whack. They can afford to buy later.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: D15TIN on July 03, 2018, 03:40:09 AM
Interestingly Wanyama and VVD had to go to S’hampton first.

Doubt top 4/6 will take an spl player at top whack. They can afford to buy later.
That's the same argument im using for Lozano ha, player from the dutch league, comes in hopefully amazing and then sells on 2/3 years later at a big profit to a barca or united etc
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: GLewis on July 03, 2018, 03:40:50 AM
That's the same argument im using for Lozano ha

Probably true.

L’pool were rubbish when Suarez went there from Holland.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: brap2 on July 03, 2018, 03:44:07 AM
Interestingly Wanyama and VVD had to go to S’hampton first.

Doubt top 4/6 will take an spl player at top whack. They can afford to buy later.


Established prem stars or established stars in good quality leagues. Scotland isn’t quite good enough to make the risk of the latter. Why take the risk when you can pay whatever premium you need to a season or two down the line..
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Gash on July 03, 2018, 03:49:20 AM
Interestingly Wanyama and VVD had to go to S’hampton first.

Doubt top 4/6 will take an spl player at top whack. They can afford to buy later.

Robertson to Hull as well, although Liverpool got a decent deal on him.

I agree though, the top clubs can sit back, let the likes of us pay £25m for him and watch what happens. If it goes tits up they've saved the money, if he turns out to be a world beater they come in and buy him for a huge fee and have the finished article ready to walk into the team.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Ramjam on July 03, 2018, 07:34:17 AM
I'll ignore the ignorant posts about Scott Sinclair (who doesn't even start) or Tims preferring Liverpool (A WEEK ON TALK CELTIC WILL TELL YOU THEY DONT) OR Celtic being a 'tiny'/right wing club and people slagging players they haven't even seen in a league they never watch and dimishing a clubs achievements when Everton haven't won anything for 23 years. Plenty of stars (as have been mentioned by better posters) have come out of that league from VVD to Wanyama and Roberston. The next one will be James Maddison who an EPL club will buy after a great year at Aberdeen and a decent year at Norwich. Also although I think @Gash (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=14) has always been dead on with this issue i'd remind him that did Matt Lettiser etc lack ambition for not leaving Southampton? Still made him a quality international player.

That aside why should KT sign for Everton? Its dead simple. He encapsulates what an Everton player should be. Determined, brave and an absolute workhorse but he is someone who can also play football in an attractive way. Good in defence and attack. He plays the game with his heart on his sleeve and I'll be amazed if he doesn't captain a Premier League Team. He reminds me a lot of Leighton Baines and also Dennis Irwin. Both quality full backs. The lad got me believing in football again as for once it was about loving his boyhood club and playing his natural game rather than money and talent being coached out of him. He usually plays well in important games and can score in them too (See his goal vs Aberdeen away).

@Simon Paul (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=1) mentioned how he has had poor games in big situations such as at Ibrox. All young players have poor games. Tom Davies has a poor game week in week out but nobody says anything on here but instead blows smoke out of his arse. The fact is KT was voted best full back in the group stages of the CL which for a team coming 3rd is a big statement. Athletico Madrid where touted by all reputable media outlets as watching him last season.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40889350
https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/teams/celtic/celtic-s-kieran-tierney-named-in-uefa-s-champions-league-xi-1-4646894

As @Brownie20 (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=169) knows I would happily spend a king's ransom on the lad as I've not seen a player in a while I'm so excited about. Selling him for Celtic would be like a Rooney moment. Sad but the club's board as in Rooney's case might do the pushing rather than the other way around. That is the fear of the Celtic fans as they rightly see a player who does not want to leave, has CLEARLY as @Gash (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=14) himself has rightly said wants to stay for 10 in a row and captain the club. This brings me onto my next point.....

The only teams Celtic supporters can see KT leaving for and being worth his while are the top 4. I have a Man Utd mate at Uni who has loved him for 2 years although he is aware they ruined Liam Miller and as mentioned Barry Ferguson turned out to be shite in our league. But Celtic supporters (If you read the Celtic forums) are clear this is a one in a generation player. He is priceless. The Dembele circus helped keep the limelight and suitors off him because he is equally if not more important to the team than Moussa. As Tims keep saying unless someone offers him silly wages and its a club who can CLEARY win things at without a huge transitional phase, he is better off staying where he belongs. My heart says  I would love him at Everton buy my head agrees with fellow Tims. Unless its a team capable of getting itno the CL he should stay put.

If however he did sign for us I can guarantee you that every Evertonian would fall in love with him. As @Toddacelli (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=2432) has said the lad breaking his jaw, carrying on, being brought off against his will in a treble chasing final against 'The Sheep' (Aberdeen) and then rushing to hospuital and back to pick up the cup tells you the type of lad he is. He has the talent but has the maturity as well. If we buy him it would be an amazing signing but I still think he will stay put and sign for Man Utd or someone further up the league.

The whole situation reminds me of Yarmolenko/Rooney at Dynamo Kyiv or Everton,





Fantastic post
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Martip on July 03, 2018, 10:37:48 PM
I like the sound of this hellhound
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: TheRam on July 03, 2018, 11:00:28 PM
Reports in Scotland suggest he’s agreed a deal worth 85k a week over five years with us.

However, they’re saying no agreement between the two clubs and other teams interested

From the daily record which I presume is a decent enough source up there?
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Brownie on July 03, 2018, 11:23:00 PM
Reports in Scotland suggest he’s agreed a deal worth 85k a week over five years with us.

However, they’re saying no agreement between the two clubs and other teams interested

From the daily record which I presume is a decent enough source up there?

Makes the Celtic fans' throw £50k a week shouts st him show how small fry they are.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.thesportsman.com/articles/celtic-star-kieran-tierney-agrees-massive-contract-with-everton.amp
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: blue slug on July 03, 2018, 11:24:43 PM
haha the fannys
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: eugene on July 03, 2018, 11:33:43 PM
haha the fannys
No no no ha ha the Quims!
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Alanvideo on July 03, 2018, 11:42:57 PM
Daily Record headline...............
Kieran Tierney move from Celtic to Everton edging closer as consultant says megabucks terms 'agreed in principle'

megabucks  8)
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Cozzie on July 04, 2018, 12:17:40 AM
Good stuff.

Hilarious isnt it that someone on the Celtic forum touted "50K" as if thats some sort of astronomical wage in modern times.

To them maybe, drop in the water for mega bucks Everton!

Get him signed, be an amazing start to the window.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Gash on July 04, 2018, 12:17:46 AM
Reports in Scotland suggest he’s agreed a deal worth 85k a week over five years with us.

However, they’re saying no agreement between the two clubs and other teams interested

From the daily record which I presume is a decent enough source up there?

Think it's the same paper as the Mirror is in England. Tends to be called the Daily Ranger due to apprent leanings to Rangers but I would think like most nationals they'll have some sort of inside info.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: gizzblue on July 04, 2018, 12:49:54 AM
No no no ha ha the Quims!


Is it quims ????. ...or is it quime as a group ?.

Or do we treat it like cats .....like a glaring or murder of quim? .

Anybody? .
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Macca77 on July 04, 2018, 12:54:34 AM
Daily record saying done deal
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: MmmblueBernard on July 04, 2018, 12:54:34 AM

Is it quims ????. ...or is it quime as a group ?.

Or do we treat it like cats .....like a glaring or murder of quim? .

Anybody? .

Quimii
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: bluestevie on July 04, 2018, 01:00:08 AM
Daily record saying done deal

Initial 80k a week rising to 145k at the end of an initial 5yr deal
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Gash on July 04, 2018, 01:08:07 AM
Don't think it's so much confirming the deal but Ian McGarry giving the 'low down' on what's involved in the deal. Haven't a clue how much he actually knows.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/kieran-tierney-move-celtic-everton-12844238
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Trowel on July 04, 2018, 02:01:56 AM
"...on our Transfer Window Podcast with Duncan Castles..."

Stopped reading here.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: blue slug on July 05, 2018, 02:15:03 AM
As anymore happened with this? Is it looking likely
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: D15TIN on July 05, 2018, 02:17:55 AM
As anymore happened with this? Is it looking likely
We seem to actually be doing something now if the media is to be believed, Tierney, that guy from Rennes and Carvalho all heavily linked
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Bluedylan on July 05, 2018, 02:39:32 AM
"...on our Transfer Window Podcast with Duncan Castles..."

Stopped reading here.

It's actually quite a decent, informed listen, if you give it a whirl. Listened to it a couple of times in the past.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Thomas on July 05, 2018, 06:49:03 AM
It's actually quite a decent, informed listen, if you give it a whirl. Listened to it a couple of times in the past.
Hun podcast according to my mates in Glasgow.

Dissapointed you calling Celtic a small club as your normally a good/reasoned type of poster. Baz and Ped @Toffee TV made clear in their KT video Celtic is a massive club.


I agree with the Kopites. If the lad has any sense he will dodge a bullet with Everton, carry on in the goldfish bowl @Celtic winning some more trophies/captaining the side then join a club that can win trophies right away.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: TheRam on July 05, 2018, 07:11:50 AM
If he has any sense he’d jump at the first real opportunity to prove himself at a good premier league club.

Only so long he can stay at Celtic before he stagnates as a player.

He’d be a fool to turn us down. Just imagine the player he can become learning from someone like Baines and playing competitive football week in week out.

Come on @Thomas (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=347) la. Take the hoop tinted glasses off, remember the club you’re supposed to support and get behind this deal.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Thomas on July 05, 2018, 07:14:24 AM
If he has any sense he'd jump at the first real opportunity to prove himself at a good premier league club.

Only so long he can stay at Celtic before he stagnates as a player.

He'd be a fool to turn us down. Just imagine the player he can become learning from someone like Baines and playing competitive football week in week out.

Come on @Thomas (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=347) la. Take the hoop tinted glasses off, remember the club you're supposed to support and get behind this deal.
KT is very similar to Baines. Not only as a player but as a person. Did Baines basically KB a move to Man Utd?

Otherwise if KT wants to sign I hope he signs for Everton. Be an amazing acquisition but I still think he has unfinished business at Celtic.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Jamokachi on July 05, 2018, 10:19:11 AM
I agree with the Kopites. If the lad has any sense he will dodge a bullet with Everton, carry on in the goldfish bowl @Celtic winning some more trophies/captaining the side then join a club that can win trophies right away.

If he's to reach his full potential he needs to be playing with and against better players on a regular basis. As much as Celtic fans want this to be with them, a few CL appearances a year won't cut it. Not when the SPL offers absolutely zero challenge. It's time for the lad to move on, be that Everton or another club that plays in a top league. 
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Jamokachi on July 05, 2018, 10:20:35 AM
KT is very similar to Baines. Not only as a player but as a person. Did Baines basically KB a move to Man Utd?

Otherwise if KT wants to sign I hope he signs for Everton. Be an amazing acquisition but I still think he has unfinished business at Celtic.

If Baines had ambition to be a very top player he wouldn't have stayed at Everton. Great player for us but lacking in the drive that defines a world class player.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Ramjam on July 05, 2018, 10:58:09 AM
If Baines had ambition to be a very top player he wouldn't have stayed at Everton. Great player for us but lacking in the drive that defines a world class player.
If Baines had the drive he’d either went to Bayern or Man U when they came calling, glad he didn’t though
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: GLewis on July 05, 2018, 01:24:22 PM
Hun podcast according to my mates in Glasgow.

Dissapointed you calling Celtic a small club as your normally a good/reasoned type of poster. Baz and Ped @Toffee TV made clear in their KT video Celtic is a massive club.


I agree with the Kopites. If the lad has any sense he will dodge a bullet with Everton, carry on in the goldfish bowl @Celtic winning some more trophies/captaining the side then join a club that can win trophies right away.

The issue with him waiting would be that he never actually is perceived to be that much better (than he is now) to make them pay the big fee you’d presume it will take to get him.

That’s simply down to the quality of the competition, how can he really be assessed.

Also I’d guess Baines would have gone if we’d accepted an offer.

Issue was Utd only offered about £12m for him - not double(ish) the transfer record for the league.

If Utd has offered £30m for him (let alone £100m - record was Torres at £50m at the time) I’d guess we’d have accepted it
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: brap2 on July 05, 2018, 01:46:37 PM
Yeah Celtic are limited in what they can ask / who will bother asking for him, as we said big teams can wait and give these lads from shite leagues a year at Everton or Southampton and then pick them up.

If Celtic sell to us with a sell on fee, they guarantee themselves maximum income, if they believe in the player like.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: sam of the south on July 05, 2018, 02:15:11 PM
I think the days of a promising player coming to Everton for a year or two to then be sold onto United or City are over.

Brands and Silva will take us beyond that.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Mick 1995 on July 05, 2018, 02:30:41 PM
I think the days of a promising player coming to Everton for a year or two to then be sold onto United or City are over.

Brands and Silva will take us beyond that.

nah, it's still our only chance of getting top talent.
The hope is that we can turn around when they come to renegotiate and say "look, we're close to winning things here now, give us another year" and not look deluded.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Morta75 on July 05, 2018, 02:38:20 PM
Yes, please. Will be a good replacment for Bainsy
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: sam of the south on July 05, 2018, 03:03:35 PM
nah, it's still our only chance of getting top talent.
The hope is that we can turn around when they come to renegotiate and say "look, we're close to winning things here now, give us another year" and not look deluded.

Yes exactly, we’ll be trying to replicate the Spurs model, which by and large eventually results in a not selling passively to domestic ‘rivals’ policy (i.e. Lukaku: every man and his dog knew that Neymar and Coutinho would be sold for silly money, and we should have waited a few weeks to sell, instead of giving it up like a cheap Back Alley Sally)

Obviously it needs us to start getting some relative success on the pitch before we can implement it properly.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Lxxx on July 05, 2018, 03:08:32 PM
I think the days of a promising player coming to Everton for a year or two to then be sold onto United or City are over.

Brands and Silva will take us beyond that.

I think that's exactly why the Silva/Brands axis have been brought in. It's a given that if any young player outside the top 6 excels himself then he'll move up the ladder. We're a long way from being able to put up a persuasive argument for them to stay and pursue their aspirations with us, yet.
We should be aiming for more Stones and Lukaku type players/deals, at the very least it makes our squad planning self sustainable as well as enhancing the team while they're here.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Brownie on July 05, 2018, 03:26:26 PM
Celtic are the archetypal 'Big fish in a small pond' but in truth the SPL is more like a puddle than a pond. Big fan base and stadium, but in truth they'd struggle to establish themselves in the upper echelons of the PL for at least a decade.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Thomas on July 05, 2018, 03:34:04 PM
Yeah Celtic are limited in what they can ask / who will bother asking for him, as we said big teams can wait and give these lads from shite leagues a year at Everton or Southampton and then pick them up.

If Celtic sell to us with a sell on fee, they guarantee themselves maximum income, if they believe in the player like.

They basically did this with VVD and pocketed a tidy £8m smackers when he went to Liverpool which they then reinvested in Edouard from PSG who they only sold to Celtic because they are -£54m the wrong side of FFP. He's another great young prospect.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on July 05, 2018, 03:34:53 PM
They are mid-table Championship at best. No bigger than Leeds for example. Being a big fish in a very small pond. Everton would be a great stepping stone for him to be fair. IF we did well and ended up challenging for CL and maybe even getting CL then that may be at his eventual level. If we didnt challenge, yet he was playing above our current level, maybe like a Lukaku, then he would leave us for big money - win win tbh, but lets hope its the former rather than the latter if he was to join us.

There so much gossip and shit flying around, that god knows what movement we have made for him and others, but if the rumours are to be believd, and these 3 defenders in - excellent left back, excellent centre back and a young but fairly experienced ball playing defender that can cover both - thats a huge step forward for us with RFM gone and Williams fooked and seemingly on his way IF the moves happen. The problem being, this is Everton, so I'm just preparing myself for the disappointment on the yellow Sky Sports Breaking News Bar :D
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Ramjam on July 05, 2018, 03:38:49 PM
Celtic are the archetypal 'Big fish in a small pond' but in truth the SPL is more like a puddle than a pond. Big fan base and stadium, but in truth they'd struggle to establish themselves in the upper echelons of the PL for at least a decade.
True, but once they have got their foot in the door and established within that decade they’d be a real force and challenging at the top of the table every season, they are a huge club with a world wide fan base and shouldn’t be disregarded because the teams they play against are inferior, the same could be said for Rangers once they get their act together after their demotion in recent years
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 05, 2018, 03:39:50 PM
They basically did this with VVD and pocketed a tidy £8m smackers when he went to Liverpool which they then reinvested in Edouard from PSG who they only sold to Celtic because they are -£54m the wrong side of FFP. He's another great young prospect.

I’m not having that a prospect PSG wanted to keep best option was Celtic
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Thomas on July 05, 2018, 03:40:45 PM
They are mid-table Championship at best. No bigger than Leeds for example. Being a big fish in a very small pond. Everton would be a great stepping stone for him to be fair. IF we did well and ended up challenging for CL and maybe even getting CL then that may be at his eventual level. If we didnt challenge, yet he was playing above our current level, maybe like a Lukaku, then he would leave us for big money - win win tbh, but lets hope its the former rather than the latter if he was to join us.

There so much gossip and shit flying around, that god knows what movement we have made for him and others, but if the rumours are to be believd, and these 3 defenders in - excellent left back, excellent centre back and a young but fairly experienced ball playing defender that can cover both - thats a huge step forward for us with RFM gone and Williams fooked and seemingly on his way IF the moves happen. The problem being, this is Everton, so I'm just preparing myself for the disappointment on the yellow Sky Sports Breaking News Bar :D

Could a mid table championship team beat Rosenborg away OR Wolfsburg or handle Man City? I still find people's perception of that league wierd. In fact if they played Everton they'd probably win. The last time they did play us was a pre season friendly I went to and they won comfortably.

Otherwise I agree with you,
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Thomas on July 05, 2018, 03:42:02 PM
True, but once they have got their foot in the door and established within that decade they’d be a real force and challenging at the top of the table every season, they are a huge club with a world wide fan base and shouldn’t be disregarded because the teams they play against are inferior, the same could be said for Rangers once they get their act together after their demotion in recent years

Find an Everton Supporters Club like this....

Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 05, 2018, 03:42:21 PM
True, but once they have got their foot in the door and established within that decade they’d be a real force and challenging at the top of the table every season, they are a huge club with a world wide fan base and shouldn’t be disregarded because the teams they play against are inferior, the same could be said for Rangers once they get their act together after their demotion in recent years

Probably true but the reality is they’ll never be invited to play in England and so they are trapped paying mid table championship wages and playing in a dreadful league for eternity
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Thomas on July 05, 2018, 03:43:55 PM
Probably true but the reality is they’ll never be invited to play in England and so they are trapped paying mid table championship wages and playing in a dreadful league for eternity

The Premier League is dreadful.

How many teams can win it?

As a league its equal as much a cartel as the CL along with the SPL.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Glory on July 05, 2018, 03:46:47 PM
Lincoln Red Imps FC
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Macca77 on July 05, 2018, 03:49:01 PM
The Scottish League is one of the worst in Europe, its a complete farce. Celtic would struggle in the Championship
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: MmmblueBernard on July 05, 2018, 03:50:40 PM
Jeez, someone’s gone full kit Celtic wanker.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Thomas on July 05, 2018, 03:53:22 PM
The Scottish League is one of the worst in Europe, its a complete farce. Celtic would struggle in the Championship

When we signed Seamas Coleman from Sligo Rovers, did you worry about the fact he had plied his trade in the League of Ireland?

No.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Macca77 on July 05, 2018, 03:53:36 PM
Could a mid table championship team beat Rosenborg away OR Wolfsburg or handle Man City? I still find people's perception of that league wierd. In fact if they played Everton they'd probably win. The last time they did play us was a pre season friendly I went to and they won comfortably.

They beat us in a pre season friendly, they must be better than us then eh.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 05, 2018, 03:54:59 PM
The Premier League is dreadful.

How many teams can win it?

As a league its equal as much a cartel as the CL along with the SPL.

Could swap any of the top 50 or 60 English clubs for Celtic and each and every 1 of them would win the Scottish prem
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Macca77 on July 05, 2018, 03:56:02 PM
When we signed Seamas Coleman from Sligo Rovers, did you worry about the fact he had plied his trade in the League of Ireland?

No.

Not getting the point of this here? I'm not saying anything against Tierney, would love him here, what I am saying is that Celtic and the entire Scottish league are extremely average.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Thomas on July 05, 2018, 03:58:01 PM
They beat us in a pre season friendly, they must be better than us then eh.

The CB Is a starter for Belgium (Kompany is injured like) and the RB if he wasn't suspended would be lining up against England for Sweden.

Cally McGregor reminds me of Osman, Tom Rogic can play a bit, Nitcham aint bad either and I don't think Everton would mind Dembele either.

There's not a lot of difference in qualtiy for me. Everton are obviously better but who are we to criticize a player for wanting to possibly stay at Celtic? If he leaves to come here brilliant, if he doesn't good luck to the lad.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on July 05, 2018, 03:58:59 PM
Could a mid table championship team beat Rosenborg away OR Wolfsburg or handle Man City? I still find people's perception of that league wierd. In fact if they played Everton they'd probably win. The last time they did play us was a pre season friendly I went to and they won comfortably.

Otherwise I agree with you,

Yes, on their day, they could. I'm not saying Celtic are a bad side, but like most others, I just dont think they would compete with the big boys in the Prem League.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Thomas on July 05, 2018, 03:58:59 PM
Not getting the point of this here? I'm not saying anything against Tierney, would love him here, what I am saying is that Celtic and the entire Scottish league are extremely average.

A league doesn;'t make a player or even a team an average one. That was my point pal.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Macca77 on July 05, 2018, 04:02:59 PM
The CB Is a starter for Belgium (Kompany is injured like) and the RB if he wasn't suspended would be lining up against England for Sweden.

Cally McGregor reminds me of Osman, Tom Rogic can play a bit, Nitcham aint bad either and I don't think Everton would mind Dembele either.

There's not a lot of difference in qualtiy for me. Everton are obviously better but who are we to criticize a player for wanting to possibly stay at Celtic? If he leaves to come here brilliant, if he doesn't good luck to the lad.

Who is criticizing him?

Tierney is the only player of theirs who gets in our team, none of the others will, Dembele looks great up there, but so does Scot Sinclair, he couldn't hack in it the Premier League that tells its own story.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Mick 1995 on July 05, 2018, 04:09:14 PM
you're simply wrong about so much here.

We paid £60k for Coleman and no Sligo supporters where on here telling us he's better than anything we have, is a guaranteed success and is better than us.

Celtic gaining a few results against a few shit teams and a City side playing at walking pace for most of the match means precisely fuck all. We beat Wolfsburg & have rarely lost to City over the last decade.

Celtic are a massive club. Anyone who argues against that is simply wrong.
The SPL is a stinking corpse of a league and anybody who argues with that is a deluded moron.

How many teams can win the English league you ask? Well, considering no champion has succesfully defended the title in a decade, i'd say a damn site fucking more than in Scotland.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Audrey Horne on July 05, 2018, 04:13:42 PM
Find an Everton Supporters Club like this....


You hate Everton so much dont you.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Goaljira on July 05, 2018, 04:27:09 PM
When we signed Seamas Coleman from Sligo Rovers, did you worry about the fact he had plied his trade in the League of Ireland?

No.

No, because he cost 1/400th the price and wasn't expected to go straight into the first team.  He spent 2 years either on loan in the Championship or playing right midfield before he became a fulltime right back for Everton.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Macca77 on July 05, 2018, 04:30:44 PM
No, because he cost 1/400th the price and wasn't expected to go straight into the first team.  He spent 2 years either on loan in the Championship or playing right midfield before he became a fulltime right back for Everton.

The brief loan spell he had at Blackpool was crucial for us, that helped his development so much.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Ramjam on July 05, 2018, 04:31:45 PM
Find an Everton Supporters Club like this....

I’ll play devils advocate here Thomas, I grew up in Ireland and all of my mates are die hard Celtic supporters and during the 90s when Rangers were winning everything and on the road to 10 league titles in a row of which they fell one short of the Celtic supporters were kicking the fuck out of each other all because Rangers were tearing them apart with the Laudrup brothers, Ally McCoist, Mark Hateley , and Terry Hurlock etc. So with the Hoops supporters it’s good atm but once Rangers get a foot hold again they WILL return to their cave man mentality
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Thomas on July 05, 2018, 04:36:01 PM
You hate Everton so much dont you.

Your avatar is shit.

Now jog on.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Thomas on July 05, 2018, 04:36:58 PM
I’ll play devils advocate here Thomas, I grew up in Ireland and all of my mates are die hard Celtic supporters and during the 90s when Rangers were winning everything and on the road to 10 league titles in a row of which they fell one short of the Celtic supporters were kicking the fuck out of each other all because Rangers were tearing them apart with the Laudrup brothers, Ally McCoist, Mark Hateley , and Terry Hurlock etc. So with the Hoops supporters it’s good atm but once Rangers get a foot hold again they WILL return to their cave man mentality

Thats what KT has to consider. They can only take him so high. Be good watching Slippy G screw everything up though.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Thomas on July 05, 2018, 04:37:34 PM
No, because he cost 1/400th the price and wasn't expected to go straight into the first team.  He spent 2 years either on loan in the Championship or playing right midfield before he became a fulltime right back for Everton.

I probably should have remembered all this.

Fair points.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Audrey Horne on July 05, 2018, 04:43:53 PM
Your avatar is shit.

Now jog on.

HAHAHAH

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Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Tinga on July 05, 2018, 04:44:38 PM
I don't know why you argue with him..
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Bluedylan on July 05, 2018, 05:55:32 PM
Hun podcast according to my mates in Glasgow.

Dissapointed you calling Celtic a small club as your normally a good/reasoned type of poster. Baz and Ped @Toffee TV made clear in their KT video Celtic is a massive club.


I agree with the Kopites. If the lad has any sense he will dodge a bullet with Everton, carry on in the goldfish bowl @Celtic winning some more trophies/captaining the side then join a club that can win trophies right away.

Listen. Take some constructive criticism. I'm going to try my best not to name-call, because it appears to drive you insane and then the whole conversation gets derailed in some weird 'boy cries wolf' scenario.

Thomas, you do speak to people terribly at times. You haven't done that to me, but I've seen you do it to other reasonable posters. Acknowledge that. Take some responsibility for that.

Yes, people maybe sometimes go over the top in their responses, when you wind them up. It's not all one way. But what do you expect? It's a forum full of opinionated Everton fans, and generally if someone is talking shit (which you do with regularity), they get called out on it. Deal with it. Stop moaning and crying little a little bitch, because you're no angel yourself. It's a little pathetic of you, in my opinion.

Finally, no one gives a fuck about Celtic, so stop bombarding us with that nonsense. It's a nothing club in a tinpot league, and always will be. Deal with it.

Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: gizzblue on July 06, 2018, 02:52:46 AM
Piss myself if he came here and Robinson kept him out of the first team . lolol

Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: blueToffee on July 06, 2018, 04:28:38 AM
Could a mid table championship team beat Rosenborg away OR Wolfsburg or handle Man City? I still find people's perception of that league wierd. In fact if they played Everton they'd probably win. The last time they did play us was a pre season friendly I went to and they won comfortably.

Otherwise I agree with you,

Well League One Wigan beat a pretty much full strength Man City last season...so yes it's possible. Celtic only play in cups versus decent teams and cups do produce more unusual results than the league does (usually), but these days unfortunately cup competitions are all we can really use as gauge for Celtic players until the SPL at least gains some others teams that are actually competitive over a full season.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Thomas on July 06, 2018, 04:30:25 AM
Listen. Take some constructive criticism. I'm going to try my best not to name-call, because it appears to drive you insane and then the whole conversation gets derailed in some weird 'boy cries wolf' scenario.

Thomas, you do speak to people terribly at times. You haven't done that to me, but I've seen you do it to other reasonable posters. Acknowledge that. Take some responsibility for that.

Yes, people maybe sometimes go over the top in their responses, when you wind them up. It's not all one way. But what do you expect? It's a forum full of opinionated Everton fans, and generally if someone is talking shit (which you do with regularity), they get called out on it. Deal with it. Stop moaning and crying little a little bitch, because you're no angel yourself. It's a little pathetic of you, in my opinion.

Finally, no one gives a fuck about Celtic, so stop bombarding us with that nonsense. It's a nothing club in a tinpot league, and always will be. Deal with it.



Look, I'll ignore your selective blindness.

I speak to people how they speak to me. Which is shocking. Its dead simple. Once people play the ball not the man, that can change, for the time being though, I'll stick up for myself. People are NOT accepting of dissenting opinions on this board. Dont like Tom Davies? OMG everyone has a meltdown. How dare someone disagree with everybody else.

I know enough about football to not be treated with derision. If you want to be a bit of a know all about it, fine. But I've done some good interviews in the past, wrote some decent stuff and supported my club as best as I can. As @brap2 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=666) said you dont have to like or disagree with that but please, don't be a tit about it.

As for calling a team who consistently qualifies for the CL (the hard way) a 'small club'. That made me laugh. Particularly kicking us for talking about the club in a thread where their leading player might want to sign for us. Maybe he just might want to play in the CL for a little longer? Marking Robben out of a game vs Bayern Munich beats hustling Troy Deeney.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: UnsyisaRhino on July 06, 2018, 06:20:04 AM
Hopefully we sign this lad, looks good.

As for the rest of thread...

 :Sick:
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Topper on July 06, 2018, 07:07:43 AM

As for calling a team who consistently qualifies for the CL (the hard way) a 'small club'.

I know Celtic have qualifying rounds to go through but to say they qualify the hard way is a load of rubbish.  They have finished top of a 12 team league where their budget is a hell of a lot more than the rest of the teams in the division with their main 'big 2' rivals playing in lower leagues up to recently.

Bit of a difference in qualifying for the champions league by finishing in the top 4 in England than dominating the Scottish league and having a couple of knock out qualifying rounds where anything can happen.

Just my opinion mind
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Toddacelli on July 06, 2018, 02:43:47 PM
I really think Tierney has what it takes for the Prem. He's immense in the SPL, he's outgrown it - and he's still at an age where he's getting better.

All this big club, small pond shit is irrelevant. Celtic are a huge club. In Scotland. They even have history and some European pedigree in there. However it is a victim of its own success. Loads of kids support Celtic or Rangers in Scotland - their pull goes way beyond their immediate geography because up there, if you want to see decent, competitive football with the chance of silverware, you have to pick Celtic or Rangers.

Other clubs in England can all dream big. People on here should all remember Wigan winning the FA Cup - and even Portsmouth. Portsmouth! I remember Coventry City winning it and Wimbledon as well. There may be a few posters on here who can remember Ipswich winning it? West Ham? West Brom? Wolves? Look at Brighton and Bournemouth. So-called small clubs whoi reached the Premiership and are trying to consolidate their position and build on it to work their way slowly up the table.

The point is, as a football supporter in England you may not support a glamorous team - but at least you should, over your lifetime, see highs and lows. In Scotland (as an outsider) it seems you must pick green or blue if you want to see those sorts of scenes and this is killing local support for local teams and when you haven't got a huge sponsorship deal - your supporters and gates are massively important.

The saddest part of all though, is that we look to be doing the same thing here. It might be 4 teams instead of two, but now there are loads of kids around the country who only want to support the big clubs. Why? Because they see them as winners and they want to be part of that, aspire to that - and that itself is not a bad thing.

I just don't want to be on here in 30 years time posting about how it's shit outside the GSL (Global Super League) and how fed up we are of those stealing all our young talent.

I don't know where this post went, sorry. I certainly went into it a bit for something I called irrelevant!

I like Kieran Tierney. I hope we sign him.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: brap2 on July 06, 2018, 04:25:40 PM
This is a ridiculous conversation and we should abandon it
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Shropshire Blue on July 06, 2018, 05:05:16 PM
This is a ridiculous conversation and we should abandon it
It just needs splitting into 2 separate threads and the largely 'none Tierney' stuff being talked about independently. How football deals with the inequality of wealth or talent is interesting and relevant to us all. There's a whole world outside our cosy affluent little PL bubble.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Bluedylan on July 06, 2018, 05:12:38 PM
Look, I'll ignore your selective blindness.

I speak to people how they speak to me. Which is shocking. Its dead simple. Once people play the ball not the man, that can change, for the time being though, I'll stick up for myself. People are NOT accepting of dissenting opinions on this board. Dont like Tom Davies? OMG everyone has a meltdown. How dare someone disagree with everybody else.

I know enough about football to not be treated with derision. If you want to be a bit of a know all about it, fine. But I've done some good interviews in the past, wrote some decent stuff and supported my club as best as I can. As @brap2 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=666) said you dont have to like or disagree with that but please, don't be a tit about it.

As for calling a team who consistently qualifies for the CL (the hard way) a 'small club'. That made me laugh. Particularly kicking us for talking about the club in a thread where their leading player might want to sign for us. Maybe he just might want to play in the CL for a little longer? Marking Robben out of a game vs Bayern Munich beats hustling Troy Deeney.

You've ignored my main point, which was about your hypocrisy. You speak to people terribly, they don't complain but they give you the same back, then they speak to you terribly and you bitch and whine about 'disablism' and 'bullying'. That doesn't reflect well on you. Take some responsibility for your side of things. I'm not saying people haven't been out of order with you at times. Just take responsibility for your part in it. A little humility and self-reflection.

Is there an issue with people with dissenting views on here? Maybe there is, I'm not sure. I'm forever putting out unpopular views on here that many might disagree with, and people will come back at me and argue the toss. Even if people disagree, as long as you argue coherently and justify the way you feel, I think people tend to say 'fair enough, agree to disagree'.

My opinion is worth fuck all and feel free to disregard it, but I think it's your communication style that maybe leads to confrontational responses, rather than the content of what you say.

Also, genuinely we don't want to hear all about how great Celtic are, because I would imagine most of us don't feel that way and frankly don't care. Well done for getting in the CL every year in a tinpot league, and well done for getting sent packing every year by substandard European teams.

Anyway, I'm not trying to get on your case. I'm trying to give you a considered, constructive response. As I say, feel free to ignore it, if that's your want.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Ramjam on July 06, 2018, 05:44:33 PM
I really think Tierney has what it takes for the Prem. He's immense in the SPL, he's outgrown it - and he's still at an age where he's getting better.

All this big club, small pond shit is irrelevant. Celtic are a huge club. In Scotland. They even have history and some European pedigree in there. However it is a victim of its own success. Loads of kids support Celtic or Rangers in Scotland - their pull goes way beyond their immediate geography because up there, if you want to see decent, competitive football with the chance of silverware, you have to pick Celtic or Rangers.

Other clubs in England can all dream big. People on here should all remember Wigan winning the FA Cup - and even Portsmouth. Portsmouth! I remember Coventry City winning it and Wimbledon as well. There may be a few posters on here who can remember Ipswich winning it? West Ham? West Brom? Wolves? Look at Brighton and Bournemouth. So-called small clubs whoi reached the Premiership and are trying to consolidate their position and build on it to work their way slowly up the table.

The point is, as a football supporter in England you may not support a glamorous team - but at least you should, over your lifetime, see highs and lows. In Scotland (as an outsider) it seems you must pick green or blue if you want to see those sorts of scenes and this is killing local support for local teams and when you haven't got a huge sponsorship deal - your supporters and gates are massively important.

The saddest part of all though, is that we look to be doing the same thing here. It might be 4 teams instead of two, but now there are loads of kids around the country who only want to support the big clubs. Why? Because they see them as winners and they want to be part of that, aspire to that - and that itself is not a bad thing.

I just don't want to be on here in 30 years time posting about how it's shit outside the GSL (Global Super League) and how fed up we are of those stealing all our young talent.

I don't know where this post went, sorry. I certainly went into it a bit for something I called irrelevant!

I like Kieran Tierney. I hope we sign him.
Cracking post Todacelli, fucking cracking post sunshine
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: brap2 on July 06, 2018, 06:52:15 PM
It just needs splitting into 2 separate threads and the largely 'none Tierney' stuff being talked about independently. How football deals with the inequality of wealth or talent is interesting and relevant to us all. There's a whole world outside our cosy affluent little PL bubble.

Agree but it’s largely just been

1. Nah Celtic are in a tin pot league (true)

2. Nah they’re a big club (true)

3. Some tierney stuff

3. Totally off topic Thomas arguments that weave between the others
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Normm on July 06, 2018, 08:38:30 PM
He could be a good prospect and if he is willing to learn, he will have a good mentor and exemplar in Baines. If the price is not over the top, he could fit well into future plans. It's about time Scotland produced another class footballer. If he comes here, he will get every opportunity to prove himself.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Brownie on July 07, 2018, 05:06:14 PM
Deal in principle done?

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/kieran-tierney-everton-deal-principle-14877889
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Gash on July 07, 2018, 05:10:53 PM
Deal in principle done?

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/kieran-tierney-everton-deal-principle-14877889

Think that's just the same story the Record ran earlier in the week.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: TheRam on July 07, 2018, 05:12:22 PM
Word is silva was watching him last season and had him identified as his number one target.

Good to know we already had the ball rolling if true.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Brownie on July 07, 2018, 05:24:07 PM
Think that's just the same story the Record ran earlier in the week.

Is it? It posted about an hour ago on my notifications so I thought it might be something new
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Gash on July 07, 2018, 05:32:06 PM
Is it? It posted about an hour ago on my notifications so I thought it might be something new

It's today's date on the article but I think it's the same Ian McGarry comments from earlier in the week. Aren't the Echo and Record owned by the same company, probably didn't have much new news so just ran with the story?
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Jamokachi on July 07, 2018, 05:37:28 PM
The echo have just listened to the podcast and typed up the content.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Cozzie on July 07, 2018, 05:38:35 PM
Yeah that Echo article is just a re hash.

Would love to see this come off.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Jimmywhack on July 07, 2018, 05:45:03 PM
Decent if we get him
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Bluedylan on July 07, 2018, 05:47:27 PM
What I would say is that it's quite specific details from Ian McGarry re: the contract etc. That's either genuine info, or an elaborate and relatively sophisticated fabrication.
Title: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Ramjam on July 07, 2018, 05:52:29 PM
One of my mates who's a Celtic fanatic has just told me that they have asked Everton for a £30m fee and Everton are at £22.8. They need to realise that they're not dealing with the Everton regime of last year. Don't shoot the messenger, just passing on info, he's usually on the pulse of all things Celtic.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Bluedylan on July 07, 2018, 06:21:08 PM
I think I'd pay £30m tbh. I think you're getting one of the better young full backs in Europe, and then you've got that position sorted for the future. £30m could look like a very good deal, very quickly, similar to spending £30m on Pickford.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Alanvideo on July 07, 2018, 06:21:59 PM
One of my mates who's a Celtic fanatic has just told me that they have asked Everton for a £30m fee and Everton are at £22.8. They need to realise that they're not dealing with the Everton regime of last year. Don't shoot the messenger, just passing on info, he's usually on the pulse of all things Celtic.
..................the figure of £22.8m was used by 'Agent Kevin ' or whatever his name was ,last week. No idea if it's pukka gen or not.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: blueToffee on July 07, 2018, 06:27:11 PM
One of my mates who's a Celtic fanatic has just told me that they have asked Everton for a £30m fee and Everton are at £22.8. They need to realise that they're not dealing with the Everton regime of last year. Don't shoot the messenger, just passing on info, he's usually on the pulse of all things Celtic.

Frankly they’d be dumb not to given our tendency for handing out oversized transfer fees in recent times. Who wouldn’t try it on?
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Paddockoldie on July 07, 2018, 06:50:11 PM
One of my mates who's a Celtic fanatic has just told me that they have asked Everton for a £30m fee and Everton are at £22.8. They need to realise that they're not dealing with the Everton regime of last year. Don't shoot the messenger, just passing on info, he's usually on the pulse of all things Celtic.


If it was part of add ons I'd be okay with that. The market dictates but he'd be a sound investment and Utd would give us 50 if he's any good in a year or two.. Joking but you know they'll come knocking.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Alanvideo on July 08, 2018, 02:03:20 PM
The McSun saying we've pulled the plug on Kierney because we won't meet their price
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Brownie on July 08, 2018, 02:23:53 PM
The McSun saying we've pulled the plug on Kierney because we won't meet their price

The same article says we are now after Danny Rose - who would cost more and is possibly not as good. No quotes in the article. I'm calling bullshit
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: eugene on July 08, 2018, 02:29:10 PM
Get the feeling Everton are getting a lot done and will announce all signings at once, think the Kieran deal is in the bag tbh
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Alanvideo on July 08, 2018, 02:33:24 PM
The same article says we are now after Danny Rose - who would cost more and is possibly not as good. No quotes in the article. I'm calling bullshit
......................yes I think it's unlikely we'd be put off by a £25m tag ,especially when we've been in negotiations for a while.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on July 08, 2018, 02:35:12 PM
The McSun saying we've pulled the plug on Kierney because we won't meet their price
That’d be a shame if true; we get our fingers burned overpaying for the likes of Bolasie and Klassen and then walk away from a top youngster.

Again, if true, hopefully it’s because Brands has someone of similar talent at a better price, in his little black book.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Free Agent on July 08, 2018, 03:13:58 PM
The McSun saying we've pulled the plug on Kierney because we won't meet their price

Boooooo... Mosh out!


I still think he’s coming, this ‘news’ is probably just Celtic appeasing their fans, making it look like they tried keeping him. At least, thats what I hope it is.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Brownie on July 08, 2018, 03:23:01 PM
Boooooo... Mosh out!


I still think he’s coming, this ‘news’ is probably just Celtic appeasing their fans, making it look like they tried keeping him. At least, thats what I hope it is.

Every other news outlet that's reported it has said we've made him our big target for the summer. Two days later "he's not worth it?" Nah, not having it
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Toffee1 on July 08, 2018, 04:18:42 PM
As soon as I saw that it was an article from a  so-called newspaper that is named after the bright object in the sky that rises in the morning and sets at night - I thought it was rubbish. What will be will be - if he comes great, if not, I am confident that Mr Brands will have other options to turn to.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Audrey Horne on July 08, 2018, 06:37:37 PM
gutteddddd

https://twitter.com/BBCAlLamont/status/1015920329393430530
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Cozzie on July 08, 2018, 06:38:35 PM
gutteddddd

https://twitter.com/BBCAlLamont/status/1015920329393430530

Who the fuck is this complete biff?
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 08, 2018, 06:41:34 PM
Who the fuck is this complete biff?

He’s a reporter for BBC Scotland
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Shogun on July 08, 2018, 07:06:53 PM
Probably been told he won’t leave.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Toffee1 on July 08, 2018, 07:24:33 PM
https://thisisfutbol.com/2018/07/blogs/premier-league/everton-hunt-for-celtic-star-tierney-still-on-despite-report/
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: blargins on July 08, 2018, 08:02:33 PM
We didn't need a new left back anyway...
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Silas on July 08, 2018, 08:13:07 PM
It's a shame but if the deal isn't right rather that than is continue to throw infinite money at a problem
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Evertonian in NC on July 08, 2018, 08:19:01 PM
No to Danny Rose, please.  The new management team doesn't strike me as the kind who will fall into the "but he's ENGLISH" trap and pay out the nose for adequacy.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Bluedylan on July 08, 2018, 08:21:52 PM
No to Danny Rose, please.  The new management team doesn't strike me as the kind who will fall into the "but he's ENGLISH" trap and pay out the nose for adequacy.

People have forgotten, given their sometimes short memories, but he's a fair bit better than adequate:

https://cartilagefreecaptain.sbnation.com/2017/6/24/15865056/tottenham-hotspur-2016-17-season-in-review-danny-rose-left-back-England

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/05/09/top-25-best-defenders-world/danny-rose/
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Audrey Horne on July 08, 2018, 08:22:46 PM
would love Danny Rose. Prefer Tierney but Rose is very good too.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: TheRam on July 08, 2018, 08:25:25 PM
It’s still on I reckon.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Evertonian in NC on July 08, 2018, 08:25:40 PM
People have forgotten, given their sometimes short memories, but he's a fair bit better than adequate:

https://cartilagefreecaptain.sbnation.com/2017/6/24/15865056/tottenham-hotspur-2016-17-season-in-review-danny-rose-left-back-England

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/05/09/top-25-best-defenders-world/danny-rose/

I don't think the hunger is there anymore.  Just a feeling I get off him.  Spurs seemed quite happy moving on to see what they had in Trippier.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Bluedylan on July 08, 2018, 08:27:51 PM
I don't think the hunger is there anymore.  Just a feeling I get off him.  Spurs seemed quite happy moving on to see what they had in Trippier.

He's suffered with depression hasn't he? Obviously you can't or shouldn't discriminate against someone for that in any way, but I suppose any manager would take that into consideration, if you wanted to buy him.

Anyway, just sign us a boss left back please.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Evertonian in NC on July 08, 2018, 08:30:28 PM
He's suffered with depression hasn't he? Obviously you can't or shouldn't discriminate against someone for that in any way, but I suppose any manager would take that into consideration, if you wanted to buy him.

Anyway, just sign us a boss left back please.

oh, I didn't know that.  That changes everything, becomes just a matter of medical due diligence.  I wasn't trying to have a crack at a fellow depression sufferer, I assure you!
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Toffee1 on July 08, 2018, 08:38:10 PM
https://twitter.com/GregOK/status/1015941327819853825
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: blueToffee on July 08, 2018, 08:52:43 PM
Call me skeptical, but we've seen this play out a few times before.

1. Make an offer
2. They say he's not for sale
3. Make a slightly bigger offer
4. They say pay us a lot more
5. We say that's way too much, we're walking away
*intermission*
6. Ok, what about this number between the one you asked for and the last bid?
7. Deal

Step 8 may or may not involved last minute stress about someone else gazumping the deal.

Or maybe this time we really are walking away. We shall see.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Bally on July 08, 2018, 09:06:51 PM
Call me skeptical, but we've seen this play out a few times before.

1. Make an offer
2. They say he's not for sale
3. Make a slightly bigger offer
4. They say pay us a lot more
5. We say that's way too much, we're walking away
*intermission*
6. Ok, what about this number between the one you asked for and the last bid?
7. Deal

Step 8 may or may not involved last minute stress about someone else gazumping the deal.

Or maybe this time we really are walking away. We shall see.
Step 9
West ham
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Evertonian in NC on July 08, 2018, 09:10:33 PM
Step 9
West ham

oh noes.  You NEVER go full West Ham!  :D
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Bluedylan on July 08, 2018, 09:20:52 PM
Call me skeptical, but we've seen this play out a few times before.

1. Make an offer
2. They say he's not for sale
3. Make a slightly bigger offer
4. They say pay us a lot more
5. We say that's way too much, we're walking away
*intermission*
6. Ok, what about this number between the one you asked for and the last bid?
7. Deal

Step 8 may or may not involved last minute stress about someone else gazumping the deal.

Or maybe this time we really are walking away. We shall see.

It's the same with other clubs. They go through transfer sagas just the same. Certain elements are beyond your control (desires of the player, agent, other club), so I don't think the club can be blamed in anyway
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: blargins on July 08, 2018, 09:28:04 PM
I'm really not that arsed.

I have confidence in Brands to do the right thing. Tierney would take a season or two to get up to speed, so if we go for a more developed lb, or if Robinson is good enough to be developed, that could save us a fortune too.

What will be will be.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: blueToffee on July 08, 2018, 09:47:02 PM
It's the same with other clubs. They go through transfer sagas just the same. Certain elements are beyond your control (desires of the player, agent, other club), so I don't think the club can be blamed in anyway

Yeah, this is just standard stuff.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: TheRam on July 08, 2018, 09:48:38 PM
It’s defo still on.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: MmmblueBernard on July 08, 2018, 10:27:09 PM
Posturing.

Celtic are about to bummed again by a bigger club for one of their best players.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Brownie on July 08, 2018, 11:08:24 PM
Echo saying it's off but I don't think they're credible these days are they?
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: gizzblue on July 08, 2018, 11:46:46 PM
Echo saying it's off but I don't think they're credible these days are they?

Especially were we are concerned ...redshite rag
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Escla on July 08, 2018, 11:51:51 PM
Echo saying it's off but I don't think they're credible these days are they?

BBC saying it too.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Brownie on July 09, 2018, 12:01:05 AM
BBC saying it too.

Yeah just saw that
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Cereal Killer on July 09, 2018, 12:06:01 AM
This all came from a S*n article? A truly reliable source well known for its love and precise coverage of our club and players
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Escla on July 09, 2018, 12:09:09 AM
This all came from a S*n article? A truly reliable source well known for its love and precise coverage of our club and players

That’s not from the Sun
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44681836
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Brownie on July 09, 2018, 12:10:07 AM
Heads falling off all over the place on other sites and social media because of this
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 09, 2018, 12:18:52 AM
Heads falling off all over the place on other sites and social media because of this

This is surely much better than last seasons formula where we ended up paying too much for everyone. Prefer we have a value and we stick to it
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Bob Sacamano on July 09, 2018, 12:21:28 AM
We have a price and we should stick to it. Obliviously Brands isn’t being held ransom for a kid who rinses a bunch of farmers and candlestick makers week in week out.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Brownie on July 09, 2018, 12:23:07 AM
This is surely much better than last seasons formula where we ended up paying too much for everyone. Prefer we have a value and we stick to it

I agree
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Brownie on July 09, 2018, 12:23:29 AM
We have a price and we should stick to it. Obliviously Brands isn’t being held ransom for a kid who rinses a bunch of farmers and candlestick makers week in week out.

Just laughed out loud at that
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: brap2 on July 09, 2018, 01:38:56 AM
I’m not pleased at this news obviously but Brands has got goodwill in the bank just yet before I get too worried. This could still work out like.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Martip on July 09, 2018, 01:45:56 AM
If this lads as good as everyone is saying (can't judge as not seen much of him) £25 m doesn't seem unreasonable in this climate. Luke Shaw went for 30m several years ago so.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: blue slug on July 09, 2018, 01:48:20 AM
I’m trying not to read anything into any of this media stuff at the moment to be honest
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: blue slug on July 09, 2018, 01:53:01 AM
If we want Tierney there’s no way we would give up for a few million
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: TheTone on July 09, 2018, 01:53:55 AM
Saw this lad bombing up the left wing once and I thought, tasty this fella

Could have been playing against St Mirren or summat though
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 09, 2018, 02:03:04 AM
If we want Tierney there’s no way we would give up for a few million

Why not? We had the exact same conversations last season and we paid a premium on pretty much every signing we made.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Brownie on July 09, 2018, 02:04:02 AM
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/everton-kieran-tierney-what-celtics-14881867
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: blargins on July 09, 2018, 02:13:53 AM
Good decision if true.

Unproven at top level and Celtic have sold more proven players for far less. Brands is the man to find bargains so again I’m not fussed either way on this.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Shogun on July 09, 2018, 02:13:57 AM
Luke Shaw went for 30m several years ago so.

Didn't turn out well did it
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Macca77 on July 09, 2018, 02:17:06 AM
Move on to other targets, simple as that really
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Shogun on July 09, 2018, 02:17:48 AM
Move on to other targets, simple as that really

Is Chilwell still popular?
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Ross on July 09, 2018, 02:21:44 AM
Is Chilwell still popular?

Oh god no.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Shogun on July 09, 2018, 02:23:39 AM
Oh god no.

Who do you want Ross?
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: toffee_scot on July 09, 2018, 02:28:58 AM
It's a shame that transfer talks have cooled.

At the same time, I'm quite happy to see that we are not wasting time over prolonged transfer sagas or being held to ransom just because we have money and paid way over the top for a few players last year.

Hopefully Brands and Silva have identified other left back targets that are good quality and will be reasonably priced.

Not worried yet about our transfer business.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: blue slug on July 09, 2018, 02:31:30 AM
No same here I’m actually quite relaxed about what transfers will happen
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Ross on July 09, 2018, 02:31:45 AM
Who do you want Ross?

Not Chilwell certainly, well not him for the price it’d take Shogun.


Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Shogun on July 09, 2018, 02:33:01 AM
Not Chilwell certainly, well not him for the price it’d take Shogun.

How much would it take?
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Ross on July 09, 2018, 02:35:19 AM
How much would it take?

I’d imagine you’d be looking at £35m+, you?
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: MmmblueBernard on July 09, 2018, 02:35:27 AM
No probs in missing out on KT. As long as the other fella is even better.....
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Dr. Sponge on July 09, 2018, 02:37:42 AM
I don’t follow Scottish football so I’d never heard of him before this thread, therefore I can’t say I’m too hurt by the deal falling through.

Rose on the other hand, I have seen a lot of. He’s an excellent left back.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Shogun on July 09, 2018, 02:38:52 AM
I’d imagine you’d be looking at £35m+, you?

You're probably right actually.

Wouldn't mind seeing us avoid transfers from PL clubs all together this season
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Gash on July 09, 2018, 02:41:27 AM
It'll just be Celtic posturing for a couple of reasons. He's their prized asset and while they're wealthy in Scottish terms they're not wealthy compared to the top leagues in Europe so £25m would be very hard to turn down but he's the only player they have worth top money so they'll want to maximise it. They don't have huge money to pay on transfers, they only signed Odsonne Edouard from PSG as they had the kick back from VVD going to Liverpool, an extra £25m could buy them some very good players at that level. They'll also want to appease the fans, he's a fans favourite so they need to convince them that the money was too good to turn down, letting him go for £22m without a fight isn't going to do that.

I wouldn't be surprised if they came back to us, one way or another I think it'll still happen. We're not walking away for the sake of £3-4m even if it means the deal is broken down in a different way.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Ross on July 09, 2018, 02:45:39 AM
You're probably right actually.

Wouldn't mind seeing us avoid transfers from PL clubs all together this season

What’s your take on Joyce saying Tierney is our “number 1” target,yet we’re supposedly refusing to pay the £25m?



Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Lxxx on July 09, 2018, 02:47:56 AM
What’s your take on Joyce saying Tierney is our “number 1” target,yet we’re supposedly refusing to pay the £25m?





Exactly that really.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Shogun on July 09, 2018, 02:48:17 AM
What’s your take on Joyce saying Tierney is our “number 1” target,yet we’re supposedly refusing to pay the £25m?

That's how negotiation works, isn't it?

As long as you don't let it go on all summer like Sigurdsson (and end up caving anyway) and have a list of other targets then it's not a problem.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: School of Science on July 09, 2018, 02:50:37 AM
Agree that the squad is too big and we need to get rid of some high earners, but if Brands / Silva have made Tierney a top priority, then they shouldn't walk away over a few million quid. Other teams won't and there is a chance that we could fall even further behind.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Ross on July 09, 2018, 02:52:25 AM
That's how negotiation works, isn't it?

As long as you don't let it go on all summer like Sigurdsson (and end up caving anyway) and have a list of other targets then it's not a problem.

Clocks ticking though this summer isn’t it, more than any other obviously given the World Cup and the advanced deadline.

If he’s our number 1 surely there’s little point haggling if you want to impress the new manager or DoF?

Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: TheRam on July 09, 2018, 02:57:08 AM
Until I see Joyce report the move is dead I’m not beliveing any of this.

We’re not naive enough to think we can get somebody so highly rated for less than 25mil.

We’ve probably said we’re walking away hoping Celtic flap it at the thought of missing out on 25mil.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: sam of the south on July 09, 2018, 03:06:58 AM
Anthonee Robinson could be great anyway
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 09, 2018, 03:07:22 AM
What’s your take on Joyce saying Tierney is our “number 1” target,yet we’re supposedly refusing to pay the £25m?





Maybe we don’t think he’s worth 25m. I have much more of a problem with how we negotied deals last season. Value is everything
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Bluedylan on July 09, 2018, 03:14:09 AM
Maybe we don’t think he’s worth 25m. I have much more of a problem with how we negotied deals last season. Value is everything

Value's totally subjective and constantly changing though. Pickford's price has changed from this time last week.

You have to rely on the quality of scouting, and then if that's the player you identify as perfect in all the criteria, pay what they want (unless it's obscene, which £25-30m isn't at all).

If they think he's good enough, and he's 'the one' in the sense that he'll play our LB role to a high standard for 5 years say, then pay the price. It makes me think they've got other targets, and Tierney isn't head and shoulders above the others in their eyes.

£30m for a 21 year old potential star is really fuck all now. It's a fair to middling Prem transfer fee.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Ross on July 09, 2018, 03:27:52 AM
Maybe we don’t think he’s worth 25m. I have much more of a problem with how we negotied deals last season. Value is everything

Yeah I agree we’ve pissed away far to much recently which I’ think has lead to us not being confident in pushing the envelope on this sort of deal.

We’ve become victims of our own stupidity it seems.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Cereal Killer on July 09, 2018, 03:29:32 AM
£30m for a 21 year old potential star is really fuck all now. It's a fair to middling Prem transfer fee.

Agree with most of what you said apart from last bit, £30m is still a shit load of money and would be transfer record for anyone outside the top 6, its in no way a middling transfer fee
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Bluedylan on July 09, 2018, 03:33:12 AM
Agree with most of what you said apart from last bit, £30m is still a shit load of money and would be transfer record for anyone outside the top 6, its in no way a middling transfer fee

I think it's becoming that way, for potential stars. People are saying £60-70m for Zaha. The £30m looked a bit OTT on Pickford, and now that looks like a cracking deal.

If Tierney is as good as some people think (haven't seen enough of him to know either way, myself), and is pretty much one of the star young LBs in Europe, £30m would look pretty cheap, pretty quickly in my view.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Thomas on July 09, 2018, 03:38:07 AM
They don't have huge money to pay on transfers, they only signed Odsonne Edouard from PSG as they had the kick back from VVD going to Liverpool, an extra £25m could buy them some very good players at that level. .

Fundamentally, looking at KTs very recent BBC Scotland interview, I think the lad still wants to stay. I'm not saying he is going to do a Francesco Totti, but he is still in love with the club. If we where going to get him at a knockdown price he'd have to have been unhappy.

As for Eduoard, that was a coup for Celtic and your more or less correct @Gash (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=14) but they also got him because PSG shit themselves because of FFP (£54m in the red) so where resorting to selling some of there top youth prospects for knockdown prices which luckily matched (as you said) the VVD ££££.

I honestly cannot thanotherntother LB though who we can sign instead of KT. Particularly as he is so similar to Baines. I just don't fancy Danny Rose at all.

The biggest problem for Everton is the football world and even ex Celtic players (Scott McDonald) who are respected at the club feel KT is too good to go to Everton and should stay another few years. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44669337
"I think he might possibly just stay on for even another year, maybe two more," McDonald told BBC Radio Scotland's Sportsound.

"If they're offering the amounts of money that can be offered down in England then it would be a huge temptation but we've seen in the past how much he loves the football club and he's still only young.

"If he holds out another year or two, I think opportunities do open up. Someone like Man United, that has been touted with the struggles that they have found at left-back.

"Certainly, if they were the ones tabling the bid, you would jump. I think you would have to jump to go to a Manchester United or the likes of them in the Champions League competitions. Everton, outside the top six clubs, you would argue are probably the next one."

Free agent McDonald, 34, believes it will be left up to the player if an acceptable bid arrives.

"It really depends on Kieran Tierney himself for me at this point," said the striker, who scored 64 goals in 128 Celtic appearances between 2007 and 2010.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Thomas on July 09, 2018, 03:39:59 AM
Agree with most of what you said apart from last bit, £30m is still a shit load of money and would be transfer record for anyone outside the top 6, its in no way a middling transfer fee

Pickford wasn't much older than that and I'd rather spend £30m on KT than near that amount we laid out on Bolasie.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: brap2 on July 09, 2018, 03:40:42 AM
Anthonee Robinson could be great anyway

Well yeah maybe but let’s be absolutely clear that’s a last resort
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Thomas on July 09, 2018, 03:42:31 AM
Well yeah maybe but let’s be absolutely clear that’s a last resort

Who was the portuguese lad somebody mentioned? Has a release clause in his contract for like £20m. Didn't Man UTD get that Portuguese Right Back for under £20m? Mourihno was saying he was the best in Europe. So there is value out there.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 09, 2018, 03:42:51 AM
Value's totally subjective and constantly changing though. Pickford's price has changed from this time last week.

You have to rely on the quality of scouting, and then if that's the player you identify as perfect in all the criteria, pay what they want (unless it's obscene, which £25-30m isn't at all).

If they think he's good enough, and he's 'the one' in the sense that he'll play our LB role to a high standard for 5 years say, then pay the price. It makes me think they've got other targets, and Tierney isn't head and shoulders above the others in their eyes.

£30m for a 21 year old potential star is really fuck all now. It's a fair to middling Prem transfer fee.


But if we are walking away then we are relying on our scouts manager and dof. Paying just a few more million over what we value him at wouldn’t be using the knowledge of the experts we pay
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Bluedylan on July 09, 2018, 03:43:53 AM
Fundamentally, looking at KTs very recent BBC Scotland interview, I think the lad still wants to stay. I'm not saying he is going to do a Francesco Totti, but he is still in love with the club. If we where going to get him at a knockdown price he'd have to have been unhappy.

As for Eduoard, that was a coup for Celtic and your more or less correct @Gash (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=14) but they also got him because PSG shit themselves because of FFP (£54m in the red) so where resorting to selling some of there top youth prospects for knockdown prices which luckily matched (as you said) the VVD ££££.

I honestly cannot thanotherntother LB though who we can sign instead of KT. Particularly as he is so similar to Baines. I just don't fancy Danny Rose at all.

The biggest problem for Everton is the football world and even ex Celtic players (Scott McDonald) who are respected at the club feel KT is too good to go to Everton and should stay another few years. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44669337
"I think he might possibly just stay on for even another year, maybe two more," McDonald told BBC Radio Scotland's Sportsound.

"If they're offering the amounts of money that can be offered down in England then it would be a huge temptation but we've seen in the past how much he loves the football club and he's still only young.

"If he holds out another year or two, I think opportunities do open up. Someone like Man United, that has been touted with the struggles that they have found at left-back.

"Certainly, if they were the ones tabling the bid, you would jump. I think you would have to jump to go to a Manchester United or the likes of them in the Champions League competitions. Everton, outside the top six clubs, you would argue are probably the next one."

Free agent McDonald, 34, believes it will be left up to the player if an acceptable bid arrives.

"It really depends on Kieran Tierney himself for me at this point," said the striker, who scored 64 goals in 128 Celtic appearances between 2007 and 2010.

I think you overstate Celtic's importance, and diminish Everton (and the Prem's) ability to get players.

Celtic have sold their best players to Southampton more than once. Celtic don't have pull. The report was that the fee was agreed with the agent in this instance. He's on 15k, and it said we offered a starting wage of 85k. That's over a 400% wage increase, to play at a better level that will improve you more.

It'll be about the fees between the two clubs.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Thomas on July 09, 2018, 03:51:10 AM
I think you overstate Celtic's importance, and diminish Everton (and the Prem's) ability to get players.

Celtic have sold their best players to Southampton more than once. Celtic don't have pull. The report was that the fee was agreed with the agent in this instance. He's on 15k, and it said we offered a starting wage of 85k. That's over a 400% wage increase, to play at a better level that will improve you more.

It'll be about the fees between the two clubs.

Its possibly my heart talking lad. But I'm not the only person who has said in this thread that if you watch his interviews, it doesn't at all look like he is desperate to leave.

But Stuart Armstrong leaving Celtic for Southampton who can easily be replaced by John McGinn is a world away from KT leaving. For reasons you did/didnt mention.

Takeaway > The lad doesn't feel he needs to leave. Yet.

I've heard a lot about how we 'develop young players' over the years or about this 'new leadership structure' being a step forward. Yet as discussed we haggle over £3m. Kind of reminds me of the day of Peter Johnson not letting Joe Royle have a few quid more for Tore Andre Flo or CLiff FInch (same act) for Dion Dublin who Kendall wanted to sign.

I know you say its the club but I really do knowing it think the player either thinks he has better options or would do better elsewhere. So I'm becoming a little worried how young players are viewing Everton as a place to develop at the moment. See Lookman as a fine example.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: brap2 on July 09, 2018, 03:51:18 AM
Who was the portuguese lad somebody mentioned? Has a release clause in his contract for like £20m. Didn't Man UTD get that Portuguese Right Back for under £20m? Mourihno was saying he was the best in Europe. So there is value out there.

The last resort is relying on Robinson. We should absolutely buy a L.B., who exactly if not KT, I dunno.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Thomas on July 09, 2018, 03:56:04 AM
The last resort is relying on Robinson. We should absolutely buy a L.B., who exactly if not KT, I dunno.

Is RS at Fulham more of a winger or a full back and why is nobody mentioning him for Everton?

Probably the same reasons as KT. They (arguably/we can speculate) are looking at playing for a top 4 club and are comfortable at their home grown clubs.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Bluedylan on July 09, 2018, 04:04:59 AM
Its possibly my heart talking lad. But I'm not the only person who has said in this thread that if you watch his interviews, it doesn't at all look like he is desperate to leave.

But Stuart Armstrong leaving Celtic for Southampton who can easily be replaced by John McGinn is a world away from KT leaving. For reasons you did/didnt mention.

Takeaway > The lad doesn't feel he needs to leave. Yet.

I've heard a lot about how we 'develop young players' over the years or about this 'new leadership structure' being a step forward. Yet as discussed we haggle over £3m. Kind of reminds me of the day of Peter Johnson not letting Joe Royle have a few quid more for Tore Andre Flo or CLiff FInch (same act) for Dion Dublin who Kendall wanted to sign.

I know you say its the club but I really do knowing it think the player either thinks he has better options or would do better elsewhere. So I'm becoming a little worried how young players are viewing Everton as a place to develop at the moment. See Lookman as a fine example.

Under the previous manager, I'd be equally worried. But we know that Brands and Silva do value young players, and have both explicitly said so more than once. Why are you worried about Lookman? Brands couldn't wait to work with him and talk about him being in the first team squad.

I just think you're being a bit stressy and again getting digs in at the club, with no real reason so far to be like that. Trust me, I'll join you if there is good reason to criticise.

I think Tierney is close to Celtic and it would be a wrench for him to leave for anybody, but if he's a driven person, he'll already know that his career needs to be elsewhere to maximise his footballing and earning potential. Rodgers himself has said the same. There's an acceptance there.



Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Goaljira on July 09, 2018, 04:13:30 AM
Anthonee Robinson could be great anyway

Could send him the other way on loan as a makeweight.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Bluedylan on July 09, 2018, 04:14:42 AM
Could send him the other way on loan as a makeweight.

Be the best player in their league after a season
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Thomas on July 09, 2018, 04:21:28 AM
Be the best player in their league after a season

The politest answer I can have for that is (I could be a whopper and give you the Joey Barton example) is Man Utd have sent two of their youth prospects up to Celtic and neither made it. The fact I can barely remember their names tells you a couple of things about the Deila era and the players.

The main benefactor of KT leaving would be Calvin Miller, who normally if KT wasn't such a freak would be a decent replacement and a homegrown/Celtic fan type replacement at that level. However Ralston on the other side is probably better if you look at the academy players.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Bluedylan on July 09, 2018, 04:23:36 AM
The politest answer I can have for that is (I could be a whopper and give you the Joey Barton example) is Man Utd have sent two of their youth prospects up to Celtic and neither made it. The fact I can barely remember their names tells you a couple of things about the Deila era and the players.

The main benefactor of KT leaving would be Calvin Miller, who normally if KT wasn't such a freak would be a decent replacement and a homegrown/Celtic fan type replacement at that level. However Ralston on the other side is probably better if you look at the academy players.

That was a wind up. Thought it was a clear one, but no offence intended.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Thomas on July 09, 2018, 04:30:16 AM
That was a wind up. Thought it was a clear one, but no offence intended.

Ambiguity for someone with Aspergers isn't their specialty. Especially online.

But cool, tongue in cheek and all that.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Bluedylan on July 09, 2018, 04:39:44 AM
Ambiguity for someone with Aspergers isn't their specialty. Especially online.

But cool, tongue in cheek and all that.

Didn't realise you had Aspergers. Apologies if you had said previously, I didn't recall. Can understand the ambiguity. That maybe explains a fair bit with some of the cross purpose conversations at times. Context being difficult on the internet and that.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Lxxx on July 09, 2018, 01:26:44 PM
I think the issue is not so much the actual fee as Celtic wanting it paying up front and us baulking at such an outlay in one go, which is understandable.

If that’s the case I can see it getting sorted once they’ve stopped trying it on and start to negotiate. It’s always good to posture for the fan base before rolling over.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Cozzie on July 09, 2018, 02:20:55 PM
I think this will carry on.

How many times did we walk away from the Siggurdson deal before it got completed.

Even if this drags on remember the transfer window shuts BEFORE the season starts, so even if its a deadline day deal he will be in the squad if and when he signs.

Thats the benefit of the window shutting on the 9th we can't blame potential early bad form on lack of signings because we will have no choice but to have them all in.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Macca77 on July 09, 2018, 02:28:39 PM
Heads falling off everywhere because we are refusing to overpay for a player. Do people not remember last summer, getting rinsed for Keane, Klaassen etc..or maybe paying 28 million for Bollasie the year before enough is enough.

Evertonians that.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Toddacelli on July 09, 2018, 02:32:18 PM
Heads falling off everywhere because we are refusing to overpay for a player. Do people not remember last summer, getting rinsed for Keane, Klaassen etc..or maybe paying 28 million for Bollasie the year before enough is enough.

Evertonians that.

I know what you're saying but how much is too much.

I believe in this kid - I think he's a left-sided Seamus and I'm quite happy for people to bookmark this post and throw it in my face in the future if the opportunity ever arises - because I truly believe it won't.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Macca77 on July 09, 2018, 02:38:15 PM
I know what you're saying but how much is too much.

I believe in this kid - I think he's a left-sided Seamus and I'm quite happy for people to bookmark this post and throw it in my face in the future if the opportunity ever arises - because I truly believe it won't.

25 million is way to much for a player who is unproven, yes he looks great in the Scottish Prem, but so could I, that said I still expect us to get this lad, will end up being undisclosed.

We can't afford to let this one drag on, make the a final offer, if they reject then we move on.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Waltzer on July 09, 2018, 02:43:20 PM

We can't afford to let this one drag on, make the a final offer, if they reject then we move on.

By the sounds of it thats the stage we are at, they want 25 million upfront and we've said no, and are moving on
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 09, 2018, 02:44:34 PM
I know what you're saying but how much is too much.

I believe in this kid - I think he's a left-sided Seamus and I'm quite happy for people to bookmark this post and throw it in my face in the future if the opportunity ever arises - because I truly believe it won't.

Too much is when the people we pay to make the decisions decide it’s too much. They might be wrong but surely that’s better than ending up with a player that our experts even believe we’ve overpaid for
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Macca77 on July 09, 2018, 02:46:46 PM
By the sounds of it thats the stage we are at, they want 25 million upfront and we've said no, and are moving on

And rightly so, he ins't the only left back in the world
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Alanvideo on July 09, 2018, 03:02:05 PM
I reckon we will be happy to pay £25m over a period of time but Celtic want it all up front. We did something similar with Pickford apparently.

<<<  The man who made Jordan Pickford the most expensive English goalkeeper in history can allow himself a satisfied smile as the country celebrates reaching the World Cup quarter-finals.
Steve Walsh was Everton’s Director of Football when he urged the club to pay what may eventually be £30million for the 24-year-old. Walsh’s greatest concern was not overvaluing Pickford when agreeing the deal with Sunderland, but how long Everton might keep him if Real Madrid called.
“We never actually paid £30million. The initial outlay was not that much, but was built on Premier League and international appearances,” says Walsh.
“It is fair to say it might eventually be that much. >>>
(Telegraph )

Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Mick 1995 on July 09, 2018, 04:07:51 PM
My reading of the situation is that we want to top-load with add-ons and bonus payments up to about £23m and Celtic are wanting £25m up front. It's not that we're squirming over £2m. We just want some financial protection in the deal and Celtic want top dollar up front for their star player. Fair play to both sides.

On top of that, and referencing what @Thomas (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=347) and @Bluedylan (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=3747) have been talking about:
Tierney may not want to leave Celtic and will not kick up a fuss if his board don't sanction it - exactly like Baines & United when Moyes went there.
But that's not the same as prefering to stay. He'll be ambivilent about it. He'll want to come to the premier league. He'll want the wages we have offered (although, let's be fair, we've probably already agreed the wages with him via his agent). but if it doesn't happen? He gets to spend another year with his boyhood club. He's ok with either situation.

Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Lxxx on July 09, 2018, 04:32:53 PM
My reading of the situation is that we want to top-load with add-ons and bonus payments up to about £23m and Celtic are wanting £25m up front. It's not that we're squirming over £2m. We just want some financial protection in the deal and Celtic want top dollar up front for their star player. Fair play to both sides.

On top of that, and referencing what @Thomas (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=347) and @Bluedylan (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=3747) have been talking about:
Tierney may not want to leave Celtic and will not kick up a fuss if his board don't sanction it - exactly like Baines & United when Moyes went there.
But that's not the same as prefering to stay. He'll be ambivilent about it. He'll want to come to the premier league. He'll want the wages we have offered (although, let's be fair, we've probably already agreed the wages with him via his agent). but if it doesn't happen? He gets to spend another year with his boyhood club. He's ok with either situation.



Even if we only want to pay half now and the rest in dribs and drabs it's still a huge amount of money for Celtic to be staring down the barrel of potentially losing. There will be members of that board worrying that the lad may badly break a leg or his form may fall off a cliff and ruin how that balance sheet could look. It's a tinpot league with little revenue coming from it. You'd like to think it'd be worked out to our benefit, especially now we have a better negotiating team.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Mick 1995 on July 09, 2018, 05:00:50 PM
Generally yeah. But it may be that they're hoping another premier league club think £25m isn't too much of a punt and go with it.

In todays market, i can't see us being the only suitors at that price to be honest. United buying both Tierney and Lozano would be a bit tough to taske to be honest.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Lxxx on July 09, 2018, 05:29:44 PM
Generally yeah. But it may be that they're hoping another premier league club think £25m isn't too much of a punt and go with it.

In todays market, i can't see us being the only suitors at that price to be honest. United buying both Tierney and Lozano would be a bit tough to taske to be honest.

The time to have been testing Celtic's resolve was last summer really and there were a few rumours around at the time. There wouldn't have been the same level of interest in him and we would have been in a better position. I think this is where we'll see the value of Brands in the coming years. 
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Juanito on July 09, 2018, 05:37:22 PM
Generally yeah. But it may be that they're hoping another premier league club think £25m isn't too much of a punt and go with it.

In todays market, i can't see us being the only suitors at that price to be honest. United buying both Tierney and Lozano would be a bit tough to taske to be honest.

I don’t get where Lozano will fit in there with Sanchez, Lingard, Rashford, Martial, Mata....
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Mick 1995 on July 09, 2018, 05:44:33 PM
I don’t get where Lozano will fit in there with Sanchez, Lingard, Rashford, Martial, Mata....


I don't.
I also don't actually believe the reports linking both players with United. I don't disbelieve them either - hard to know what is guess work, genuine information, agents pumping up press, overhyping basic enquiries and just outright lies.

But both of the players you would expect would be "marquee" signings for us have also been linked to United.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: blue slug on July 09, 2018, 06:48:18 PM
I don't.
I also don't actually believe the reports linking both players with United. I don't disbelieve them either - hard to know what is guess work, genuine information, agents pumping up press, overhyping basic enquiries and just outright lies.

But both of the players you would expect would be "marquee" signings for us have also been linked to United.

If they sign Lozano perhaps it means martial off, spurs were interested in him weren't they?
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: claimabstract on July 09, 2018, 08:44:05 PM
"Welcome to your spot on the bench, Lozano." I think it would be catastrophic to his career to go there.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: blue slug on July 09, 2018, 09:29:13 PM
Apparently ian McGarry via the daily star has said deal not dead for tierney
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Mick 1995 on July 09, 2018, 09:34:37 PM
Whilst i wouldn't bet on us actually landing him, i would be astonished if this "we've ended our interest" wasn't part of a negotiating tactic. Once in which Celtic know it is a tactic.
And we know that they know it's a tactic.
etc
etc

Just about whoever is going to blink first.
But i suspect both clubs are lying about what is on the table being their 'final offer'.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Lxxx on July 09, 2018, 09:36:50 PM
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Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Free Agent on July 09, 2018, 10:20:13 PM
I prefer the good old days when we did our transfer through a handshake and a gentleman’s agreement
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: blue slug on July 09, 2018, 10:20:53 PM
I prefer the good old days when we did our transfer through a handshake and a gentleman’s agreement

and you found out on Ceefax when it was done
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: blargins on July 09, 2018, 10:34:52 PM
And then Dan Gosling buggers off to Newcastle.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Shropshire Blue on July 09, 2018, 10:44:52 PM
And then Dan Gosling buggers off to Newcastle.
That bastard also robbed us of one of the few things we could currently sing to the koppites
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: D15TIN on July 09, 2018, 11:13:09 PM
and you found out on Ceefax when it was done
ha remember that, followed by a game of Bamboozled
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: eugene on July 09, 2018, 11:20:45 PM
ha remember that, followed by a game of Bamboozled
And the ticker tape scores running along the bottom of the screen just brill
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: blargins on July 09, 2018, 11:31:09 PM
And being lucky enough to hear the match on Radio 2 and not having a clue who scored because the crowd cheers would mix in with the medium wave distortion and it would take a few minutes to figure out what went down.

Ah the good old days...
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Alanvideo on July 10, 2018, 12:19:36 AM
And being lucky enough to hear the match on Radio 2 and not having a clue who scored because the crowd cheers would mix in with the medium wave distortion and it would take a few minutes to figure out what went down.

Ah the good old days...
..................the teleprinter on Grandstand when it used to stall for a few seconds..................
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: blargins on July 10, 2018, 12:26:20 AM
..................the teleprinter on Grandstand when it used to stall for a few seconds..................

Oh I loved that. The excitement and anticipation.

And then Grandstand would be showing horse racing or something really boring like that and it seemed to take ages for them to get to the scores.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Toddacelli on July 10, 2018, 12:34:35 AM
Too much is when the people we pay to make the decisions decide it’s too much. They might be wrong but surely that’s better than ending up with a player that our experts even believe we’ve overpaid for

Fuck that - if we buy him for #25M he'll be worth more than double that after his first full season with us. Kyle Walker went for #50M a year ago FFS!
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Paddockoldie on July 10, 2018, 12:50:14 AM
If they sign Lozano perhaps it means martial off, spurs were interested in him weren't they?


That's what's being reported. I think he'd have progressed better with us but I would say that. As for Tierney? We'll see if his heads been turned. Could still happen so think the walking away is strategy. Time will tell but shows Marcel ain't fucking around.. Liking it.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Robber Rodwell on July 10, 2018, 12:50:50 AM
Surprised we have not looked at Chilwell from Leicester for the left back role.  Any time I have seen him he immediately reminds me of a young Baines.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: School of Science on July 10, 2018, 12:51:28 AM
Fuck that - if we buy him for #25M he'll be worth more than double that after his first full season with us. Kyle Walker went for #50M a year ago FFS!

That's just it how much is too much and will other team's think it's too much. Yes lessons need to be learned from last year, but not at the detriment of our team. Liverpool spent £75m on a centre half last year, if you want to progress, you have to keep up. Every signing is a gamble, but if Brands / Silva have picked him, then we as a club must back them.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 10, 2018, 01:23:34 AM
That's just it how much is too much and will other team's think it's too much. Yes lessons need to be learned from last year, but not at the detriment of our team. Liverpool spent £75m on a centre half last year, if you want to progress, you have to keep up. Every signing is a gamble, but if Brands / Silva have picked him, then we as a club must back them.


They’ve picked him at a price. I genuinely can’t believe people are advocating doing the same nonsense we did last summer. Let’s sign them regardless of price. That’s not keeping up. We didn’t keep up last season. Just paid more and more for players who weren’t worth it
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: School of Science on July 10, 2018, 01:33:35 AM

They’ve picked him at a price. I genuinely can’t believe people are advocating doing the same nonsense we did last summer. Let’s sign them regardless of price. That’s not keeping up. We didn’t keep up last season. Just paid more and more for players who weren’t worth it

When did we all become accountants ? We didn't keep up last season not because of what we spent, we made th WRONG choices. So believe what you will.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Thomas on July 10, 2018, 01:49:45 AM
My reading of the situation is that we want to top-load with add-ons and bonus payments up to about £23m and Celtic are wanting £25m up front. It's not that we're squirming over £2m. We just want some financial protection in the deal and Celtic want top dollar up front for their star player. Fair play to both sides.

On top of that, and referencing what @Thomas (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=347) and @Bluedylan (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=3747) have been talking about:
Tierney may not want to leave Celtic and will not kick up a fuss if his board don't sanction it - exactly like Baines & United when Moyes went there.
But that's not the same as prefering to stay. He'll be ambivilent about it. He'll want to come to the premier league. He'll want the wages we have offered (although, let's be fair, we've probably already agreed the wages with him via his agent). but if it doesn't happen? He gets to spend another year with his boyhood club. He's ok with either situation.
Dead on.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: GLewis on July 10, 2018, 02:05:22 AM
When did we all become accountants ? We didn't keep up last season not because of what we spent, we made th WRONG choices. So believe what you will.

Yes but his point is that it looks like Brands is putting a top limit on what he thinks he’s worth, so if we’re backing his judgement re whether he’s a good player we have to back his judgement re what’s a fair value to pay.

@Toddacelli (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=2432) Kyle Walker went for £50m as he was proven in a top PL team at a peak age.

For all we know, we might think Tierney is worth £15m but we’re prepared to pay a premium on top of that to get him.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 10, 2018, 02:08:41 AM
When did we all become accountants ? We didn't keep up last season not because of what we spent, we made th WRONG choices. So believe what you will.

The accountants and the football people are saying it's too much. This isn't my opinion. I'm not even sure I've ever seen him play. It's the opinion of people of experts we pay millions to. Yet people are saying just pay a few extra million. Like it doesn't matter.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Shropshire Blue on July 10, 2018, 03:47:13 AM
The accountants and the football people are saying it's too much. This isn't my opinion. I'm not even sure I've ever seen him play. It's the opinion of people of experts we pay millions to. Yet people are saying just pay a few extra million. Like it doesn't matter.
It doesn't matter if it's someone else's money!!
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: School of Science on July 10, 2018, 03:55:57 AM
It doesn't matter if it's someone else's money!!

Effinell, it's getting like the Tory party on here calling for " Austerity "  ;)
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: School of Science on July 10, 2018, 04:01:29 AM
Yes but his point is that it looks like Brands is putting a top limit on what he thinks he’s worth, so if we’re backing his judgement re whether he’s a good player we have to back his judgement re what’s a fair value to pay.

@Toddacelli (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=2432) Kyle Walker went for £50m as he was proven in a top PL team at a peak age.

For all we know, we might think Tierney is worth £15m but we’re prepared to pay a premium on top of that to get him.

But is it Brands that's saying this, I know the Echo said it was, but what do they know. I hate Twitter with a passion, but there has been a fair bit of rumblings about Brands / Silva being not at all happy about this situation. Being Twitter and ITK's probably bullshit or at least I hope so. But as people say there's no smoke without fire.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: blargins on July 10, 2018, 04:10:50 AM
It doesn't matter if it's someone else's money!!
But it’s always easier spending other people’s money.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: School of Science on July 10, 2018, 04:18:44 AM
But it’s always easier spending other people’s money.

Wouldn't know never done it  :)
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: GLewis on July 10, 2018, 04:25:31 AM
But is it Brands that's saying this, I know the Echo said it was, but what do they know. I hate Twitter with a passion, but there has been a fair bit of rumblings about Brands / Silva being not at all happy about this situation. Being Twitter and ITK's probably bullshit or at least I hope so. But as people say there's no smoke without fire.

Brands made it clear in his first press conference that the squad needs trimming and we can’t just blow money without thinking about the longer term.

Just because he’s young doesn’t mean that he has an unlimited value so if what they want is pushing the boundaries of what we think he’s worth then Brands will say no.

Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: School of Science on July 10, 2018, 04:32:22 AM
Brands made it clear in his first press conference that the squad needs trimming and we can’t just blow money without thinking about the longer term.

Just because he’s young doesn’t mean that he has an unlimited value so if what they want is pushing the boundaries of what we think he’s worth then Brands will say no.



And I agree the squad does need trimming, aging players, and to be honest quite a bit of the players not deemed good enough that we bought last year. To date we have got a few off the wage bill, but how long do we have to wait for urgently needed signings,in left back / centre half and midfield areas ? Why can't we sell after we've bought their replacements, then the players would know for certain there's no future here. Not panicking at all as yet, but the clock is ticking.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: GLewis on July 10, 2018, 04:37:21 AM
And I agree the squad does need trimming, aging players, and to be honest quite a bit of the players not deemed good enough that we bought last year. To date we have got a few off the wage bill, but how long do we have to wait for urgently needed signings,in left back / centre half and midfield areas ? Why can't we sell after we've bought their replacements, then the players would know for certain there's no future here. Not panicking at all as yet, but the clock is ticking.

Getting shut of someone one £100k pw won’t be that easy, especially if we want a decent fee.

We should be trying to maximise all we can get from those players we want to leave too.

Plus we all know that you can make a signing in a matter of hours when the deadline is approaching.

Not ideal but we’re a week into preseason.

And maybe there are some players who Silva isn’t sure about but would like a closer look at. They may influence who is let go.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Martip on July 10, 2018, 05:00:19 AM
After last year's debacle so really hope we don't start cutting off out nose to spite our faces and end up losing top players for peanuts. Appreciate we need to be seen as no longer pushovers though.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Cods on July 10, 2018, 05:50:47 AM
But as people say there's no smoke without fire.
Unless it’s newspapers ‘smouldering’ on newsagent front counters...
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Escla on July 10, 2018, 06:00:55 AM
After last year's debacle so really hope we don't start cutting off out nose to spite our faces and end up losing top players for peanuts. Appreciate we need to be seen as no longer pushovers though.

Anyone on here able to translate that for me ?
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: AllyBlue14 on July 10, 2018, 06:38:03 AM
Effinell, it's getting like the Tory party on here calling for " Austerity "  ;)

Brands made it clear in his first press conference that the squad needs trimming and we can’t just blow money without thinking about the longer term.

Just because he’s young doesn’t mean that he has an unlimited value so if what they want is pushing the boundaries of what we think he’s worth then Brands will say no.

It does have a certain May 2010 Liam Byrne 'I'm afraid there's no money' kind of feel to it.

Although encouragingly, we do actually have money, but it would appear they don't want to be held to ransom like the ludicrous situation with Gylfi last year and Funes Mori three years ago. It's frustrating and we all want to sign players, but hopefully it's a sign of financial prudence rather than the 'money's no issue for us' approach Moshiri started blurting last year.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 10, 2018, 11:01:06 AM
It doesn't matter if it's someone else's money!!

It matters to them. It’s them that are walking away.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Hawkandro on July 10, 2018, 02:32:38 PM
Anyone on here able to translate that for me ?

I take it that we shouldn't just make massive losses on players just to get rid of them. We know we need to bring the salary amounts down, but losing Schneiderlin for, say, £10m and we pay 50% of his wages would still be a shit deal, just slightly less shit than if he had stayed?
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Escla on July 10, 2018, 02:43:23 PM
I take it that we shouldn't just make massive losses on players just to get rid of them. We know we need to bring the salary amounts down, but losing Schneiderlin for, say, £10m and we pay 50% of his wages would still be a shit deal, just slightly less shit than if he had stayed?

Thanks, might well be what he meant.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Ramjam on July 10, 2018, 02:46:39 PM
Thanks, might well be what he meant.
Lol, it was difficult to work out
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Lxxx on July 10, 2018, 06:18:28 PM
I take it that we shouldn't just make massive losses on players just to get rid of them. We know we need to bring the salary amounts down, but losing Schneiderlin for, say, £10m and we pay 50% of his wages would still be a shit deal, just slightly less shit than if he had stayed?

At some stage we need to move forwards and draw a line under the past regime, or as much as we can do anyway. If Brands thinks he can get a bright young midfield prospect for £10m and £60k/week then it would make sense to take a reduced fee for Schneiderlin and ship him out and subsidise his wages, as we're swapping like for like but strengthening the squad with an asset that will (hopefully) have upside potential instead of one with depreciating value.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Cereal Killer on July 10, 2018, 10:37:24 PM
I'm sure he'll put the mighty Armenian champions to the sword shortly....
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on July 11, 2018, 04:28:11 AM
Yup. Played in CL tonight. Small hint that maybe no CL teams are seriously interested.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Gash on July 11, 2018, 04:38:32 AM
Yup. Played in CL tonight. Small hint that maybe no CL teams are seriously interested.

Wouldn't matter, a player can play for a club in the qualifiers and then a different club in the group stages.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Thomas on July 12, 2018, 06:55:03 AM
Brands made it clear in his first press conference that the squad needs trimming and we can't just blow money without thinking about the longer term.

Just because he's young doesn't mean that he has an unlimited value so if what they want is pushing the boundaries of what we think he's worth then Brands will say no.
For me the lad is worth a kings ransom.

Either that or Man Utd buy him in 2 years.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Jamokachi on July 12, 2018, 09:50:40 AM
Lads on the Echo podcast reckon we're still in fo him and this is a negotiation tactic.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Hawkandro on July 12, 2018, 02:48:54 PM
Lads on the Echo podcast reckon we're still in fo him and this is a negotiation tactic.

I think so - we are happy to pay the money I reckon, Celtic want it in one lump sum and we want to pay in instalments.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Dr. Sponge on July 12, 2018, 03:37:37 PM
I’m just happy to even be linked with a left back, after the circus in charge of our club the last 2 years.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Thomas on July 12, 2018, 04:49:05 PM
My reading of the situation is that we want to top-load with add-ons and bonus payments up to about £23m and Celtic are wanting £25m up front. It's not that we're squirming over £2m. We just want some financial protection in the deal and Celtic want top dollar up front for their star player. Fair play to both sides.

On top of that, and referencing what @Thomas (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=347) and @Bluedylan (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=3747) have been talking about:
Tierney may not want to leave Celtic and will not kick up a fuss if his board don't sanction it - exactly like Baines & United when Moyes went there.
But that's not the same as prefering to stay. He'll be ambivilent about it. He'll want to come to the premier league. He'll want the wages we have offered (although, let's be fair, we've probably already agreed the wages with him via his agent). but if it doesn't happen? He gets to spend another year with his boyhood club. He's ok with either situation.



The Baines to Man Utd situation is a very good comparison. Neither kicked up a fuss.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 12, 2018, 08:55:45 PM
The Baines to Man Utd situation is a very good comparison. Neither kicked up a fuss.

Surely the difference is that Celtic would quite like the money.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Evertonian in NC on July 12, 2018, 09:04:12 PM
But unlike w/ Bainesy, this is hardly a "now or never" situation.  Otherwise I agree, fairly comparable.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: D15TIN on July 12, 2018, 09:39:43 PM
They don't have to sell, and im not so sure the player is the type to force it either. So I think if we want him badly enough offer the money or a player + cash deal, weve about 5/6 players who they can have
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on July 12, 2018, 10:05:56 PM
Tierney for Besic and Ashley Williams, plus 5 mil if we finish in the top 4. 2.5 if we win the FA or Mickey Mouse Cup.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Lxxx on July 12, 2018, 10:33:03 PM
They don't have to sell, and im not so sure the player is the type to force it either. So I think if we want him badly enough offer the money or a player + cash deal, weve about 5/6 players who they can have

Most of whom will be on a salary that would smash their pay ceiling so we'd end up paying them off to go.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: blue slug on July 12, 2018, 10:38:38 PM
Tierney for Besic and Ashley Williams, plus 5 mil if we finish in the top 4. 2.5 if we win the FA or Mickey Mouse Cup.

I'd offer them besic and Williams and 15m, the pair are stealing a wage here
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: D15TIN on July 12, 2018, 11:02:02 PM
Most of whom will be on a salary that would smash their pay ceiling so we'd end up paying them off to go.
likes of besic on 25k, they can have him. I actually think McCarthy would take a slight cut to go there. Even the likes of browning and Galloway would be good players in that division
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Macca77 on July 18, 2018, 02:42:58 PM
Scottish press saying Juventus are after him now
Title: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Hawkandro on July 29, 2018, 04:20:15 AM
Alan Meyers just tweeted that Fulham are bidding £25m for Tierney.
Title: Kieran Tierney
Post by: brap2 on July 29, 2018, 04:27:58 AM
Alan Meyers just tweeted that Fulham are bidding £25m for Tierney.

Mother fucker
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: TheRam on July 29, 2018, 04:35:33 AM
Alan Meyers just tweeted that Fulham are bidding £25m for Tierney.

The replies to this.

Fucking hell.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 29, 2018, 04:39:17 AM
The replies to this.

Fucking hell.

It’s the least of our worries. Left back is a problem we look to have addressed. It’s everything else that’s still fucked
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: bluestevie on July 29, 2018, 05:37:35 AM
The replies to this.

Fucking hell.

Some of our fans are cringy bells, turning their noses at a French international LB who's played at 3 top sides  for £18m but fapping over the 2nd choice left back for the Scottish national team at a team that's run away with a poor league for 7 straight years, and I say that as a fan of Tierney, who would cost £7m more
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Gash on July 29, 2018, 07:11:51 AM
Some of our fans are cringy bells, turning their noses at a French international LB who's played at 3 top sides  for £18m but fapping over the 2nd choice left back for the Scottish national team at a team that's run away with a poor league for 7 straight years, and I say that as a fan of Tierney, who would cost £7m more

He's hardly second choice, we've two really good players on then left, he's played right back a couple of times and also on the left in a back three and captained Scotland as well.  It's a toss up between the two as to who's better though.
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Brownie on July 29, 2018, 03:57:04 PM
Something in this, click bait or a Kourno who's been in a coma?

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/sport/football/995662/Transfer-news-Chelsea-Man-Utd-Tierney-Everton-Grealish-Tottenham-rumours-gossip-news/amp
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: Ramjam on July 29, 2018, 04:05:32 PM
So is Tierney back on? Perhaps Dinge has got into be with someone else
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: blue slug on July 29, 2018, 04:10:56 PM
Really can’t see Tierney happening, late last night said we had few agreed etc with digne
Title: Re: Kieran Tierney
Post by: bluestevie on July 29, 2018, 06:40:38 PM
He's hardly second choice, we've two really good players on then left, he's played right back a couple of times and also on the left in a back three and captained Scotland as well.  It's a toss up between the two as to who's better though.

Ah right, didn't know he'd switched positions at times, only read reports that Robertson had been keeping him out