Post by: D15TIN on July 06, 2018, 03:46:40 AM
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/everton-reject-12m-ademola-lookman-12861489
Post by: blue slug on July 06, 2018, 03:51:47 AM
12 mill bid rejected for Lookman - Mirror
Rbl?
Post by: D15TIN on July 06, 2018, 03:53:33 AM
Rbl?yep
Post by: blue slug on July 06, 2018, 03:54:23 AM
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 06, 2018, 03:58:37 AM
12 mill bid rejected for Lookman - Mirror
That’s an utterly laughable offer. The market has doubled since we bought him and he’s just off a very successful loan deal. You get fuck all for 12m in this market. He’s comfortably worth double that. Leicester have just paid 20 odd for a championship player
Post by: Tinga on July 06, 2018, 05:09:39 AM
Post by: Evertonian in NC on July 06, 2018, 08:09:14 AM
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 06, 2018, 12:15:44 PM
You'd have to triple that, minimum.
If it’s true is a really insulting offer. We’d have to be lunatics to consider anything like that fee. On the bright side such a shitty offer means we don’t even really have a decision to make
Post by: Bob Sacamano on July 06, 2018, 01:35:23 PM
Post by: Macca77 on July 06, 2018, 02:41:11 PM
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 06, 2018, 02:48:50 PM
I reckon we will accept 20 million for him, I'll be gutted if he leaves
We'd be crazy to. We wouldn't get a top championship player for that.
Really can't see him going? Think we'd want 30 plus as a bare minimum
Also can the board and the new management team really afford the bad press. All the shite we've bought and we sell a potentially great 1 on the cheap
Post by: Macca77 on July 06, 2018, 02:53:22 PM
Post by: dunkster on July 06, 2018, 02:56:49 PM
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 06, 2018, 03:02:50 PM
Our hands are tied if he wants to leave though, couldn't blame him either, especially after the way he was treated last season, no good keeping an unhappy player here. That said, you would hope Silva and Brands have already spoke to him and outlined their plans for the coming season, hopefully told him he is a very important player for us.
I’m not really having he was badly treated. He wasn’t in the first team and got the loan he wanted
It was obviously the wrong decision to not play him more but the chances he did get under various managers he didn’t really take
He’s got a long contract. The team that are bidding aren’t unbelievable and they aren’t, in my opinion, offering market value
Post by: Bluedylan on July 06, 2018, 03:15:29 PM
Post by: Macca77 on July 06, 2018, 03:20:34 PM
Our hands aren’t tied at all. If we want him to stay, he stays. Come ed Macca. Get a grip, lad.
Forgive me, it's early and I'm hungover and emotional
Post by: gizzblue on July 06, 2018, 03:30:23 PM
Post by: Nicco on July 06, 2018, 04:02:47 PM
For that piddley bid thry can have his old bootsOr keep the good memories.
Post by: Ramjam on July 06, 2018, 04:09:54 PM
He just wanted game time. I think he will be promised it and get it with marco.You can’t promise game time to anyone, it must be earned
Post by: Gash on July 06, 2018, 04:24:50 PM
Post by: Mick 1995 on July 06, 2018, 05:25:42 PM
Post by: Lxxx on July 06, 2018, 05:39:37 PM
" I can be clear in that because I know the player very well.
”He was on my list at PSV (to sign). He is a very talented young player and I think he has to be moved up next year (to the first team squad).”
Post by: TheRam on July 06, 2018, 06:28:03 PM
Post by: TheRam on July 06, 2018, 06:28:14 PM
Post by: Macca77 on July 06, 2018, 06:34:22 PM
Everton have told RB Leipzig that Ademola Lookman is not for sale and they are not willing to listen to any offers from other clubs. Marco Silva and Marcel Brands see him as an important part of the squad. (Source: Liverpool Echo)
That'll do for me
Post by: D15TIN on July 06, 2018, 06:51:33 PM
Post by: D15TIN on July 06, 2018, 06:53:28 PM
Post by: Audrey Horne on July 06, 2018, 06:59:16 PM
In all seriousness though, i think this will be a big year for him, and im excited to welcome him home.
Post by: blue slug on July 06, 2018, 08:00:42 PM
Post by: Toddacelli on July 06, 2018, 08:04:37 PM
Hopefully he is excited to work with a young, sexy manager with big ideas. And a handsome DOF who wants to take the club to the top.
In all seriousness though, i think this will be a big year for him, and im excited to welcome him home.
Really big year for him. He's generated some hype and got one or two headlines, but he could still be filed away by some at this point as 'looks good on YouTube but I can look good on YouTube!'
This year he needs to go one further, keep up the good stats from his short spell at RBL - add some more good stats and hopefully achieve something (cup run? too soon?). Big year for him personally tho - agreed.
Post by: Lxxx on July 06, 2018, 08:31:24 PM
I'd like to see the managerial team tell him he's a starter and to go and express himself. Build him up, give him confidence.
Post by: Bluedylan on July 06, 2018, 08:40:51 PM
Hopefully he is excited to work with a young, sexy manager with big ideas. And a handsome DOF who wants to take the club to the top.
In all seriousness though, i think this will be a big year for him, and im excited to welcome him home.
The main thing I took from that comment (and far be it from me to steer all conversations with women to a sexual level) is that you'd be well up for a threesome with Silva and Brands.
Post by: Audrey Horne on July 06, 2018, 08:46:31 PM
The main thing I took from that comment (and far be it from me to steer all conversations with women to a sexual level) is that you'd be well up for a threesome with Silva and Brands.
without a shadow of a doubt....yes.
Post by: School of Science on July 06, 2018, 10:14:11 PM
without a shadow of a doubt....yes.
Excellent work Liz's, you can be our ITK... ( In The Knack ) ;)
Post by: Macca77 on July 06, 2018, 10:15:34 PM
without a shadow of a doubt....yes.
You can have a go after me then
Post by: Evertonian in NC on July 07, 2018, 11:37:33 AM
Could fit in well in a 4-3-3 with him and Walcott as the pace and directness either side of a finisher in Tosun. Which would leave Sig as the energetic goal threat behind them with two grafters in midfield.
I'd like to see the managerial team tell him he's a starter and to go and express himself. Build him up, give him confidence.
I'm really looking forward to this 4-3-3, especially if we give proper time to expressive, young wingers like Lookman. I think it will suit us very well.
Post by: Thomas on July 09, 2018, 03:58:30 AM
Could fit in well in a 4-3-3 with him and Walcott as the pace and directness either side of a finisher in Tosun. Which would leave Sig as the energetic goal threat behind them with two grafters in midfield.
I'd like to see the managerial team tell him he's a starter and to go and express himself. Build him up, give him confidence.
I'd be very worried about us being caught out in midfield with that (Sig). That would be 4 players playing mostly in the attacking phase. Risky. I suppose it depends how we defend and how good our DMs will be. Gana has an engine on him as does Tom Davies.
Post by: Dr. Sponge on July 09, 2018, 04:54:43 AM
I'd be very worried about us being caught out in midfield with that (Sig). That would be 4 players playing mostly in the attacking phase. Risky. I suppose it depends how we defend and how good our DMs will be. Gana has an engine on him as does Tom Davies.
True but it’s a good option to have if we need to attack the game (which we should be looking to do against anyone outside the top 6).
Post by: Thomas on July 09, 2018, 05:32:52 AM
True but it’s a good option to have if we need to attack the game (which we should be looking to do against anyone outside the top 6).
Difference of philosophies maybe. We tried to be expansive against Burnley at home and they just soaked it up and took their chances.
Could Lookman develop even into a CF?
Post by: Redartin on July 09, 2018, 04:16:21 PM
Second bid of 14m rejected cause we want at least 20m.
We are also reportedly interested in one of their players, Emil Forsberg, valued at 25m +.
Potential swap on the cards ?
Post by: Lxxx on July 09, 2018, 04:34:03 PM
http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2018/07/08/report-everton-reject-second-ademola-lookman-bid-from-rb-leipzig/
Second bid of 14m rejected cause we want at least 20m.
We are also reportedly interested in one of their players, Emil Forsberg, valued at 25m +.
Potential swap on the cards ?
When hitc comes up on Google, keep scrolling down.
Post by: howard1334 on July 09, 2018, 05:12:50 PM
When hitc comes up on Google, keep scrolling down.
I think there are few sites on the internet with lower standards than hitc, which is saying something.
Post by: Danny on July 09, 2018, 05:13:58 PM
They'll want him now or not at all and I can't see them offering £20+ million because it doesn't fit their model.
Post by: Lxxx on July 09, 2018, 05:24:41 PM
He's under contract. We rate him. We only have Sandro and Bolasie in his position. He's going nowhere.
(Of course I'll look like a fool if he does but every bit of factual information at the minute points to him starting the season with us).
Post by: TheRam on July 09, 2018, 06:46:52 PM
Post by: Macca77 on July 09, 2018, 06:48:12 PM
Post by: blue slug on July 09, 2018, 07:57:57 PM
Post by: Hawkandro on July 09, 2018, 07:59:06 PM
Ragnick has come out and RBL want to sign three players and that lookman wants to leave and go them and are still in talks
Sounds like tapping up, to me.
Post by: stirlingblue on July 09, 2018, 10:06:02 PM
Sounds like tapping up, to me.
Nothing ever gets done about that though
Post by: blargins on July 09, 2018, 10:13:55 PM
Post by: Martip on July 09, 2018, 11:18:19 PM
Post by: D15TIN on July 09, 2018, 11:37:15 PM
Post by: MmmblueBernard on July 09, 2018, 11:38:46 PM
Post by: American Evertonian on July 09, 2018, 11:58:28 PM
Post by: Alanvideo on July 10, 2018, 12:24:26 AM
Post by: sam of the south on July 10, 2018, 01:42:48 AM
Post by: howard1334 on July 10, 2018, 01:53:01 AM
Is it tapping up if Leipzig is probably a step down? Alright theyre a decent little side in the bundesliga, but if he wants to better himself and earn a huge move in the future. His future for the next couple of seasons should be in the PL with Everton.
They are not a step down right now. Played in Champions League last year; playing in Europa this season; and they will be competing for Champions League qualification again.
Post by: gizzblue on July 10, 2018, 02:13:23 AM
Simples
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on July 10, 2018, 02:46:13 AM
Post by: Bluedylan on July 10, 2018, 02:48:10 AM
Other clubs and sporting directors can do what the fuck they want.
Post by: GLewis on July 10, 2018, 02:57:59 AM
Goes back to him picking to go there in Jan against club wishes (whatever you think of them).
Which is up to him of course, just surprised that all “blame” gets put on the club in this instance.
Anyway hope he stays.
Post by: Bob Sacamano on July 10, 2018, 03:07:20 AM
Post by: brap2 on July 10, 2018, 03:21:09 AM
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 10, 2018, 03:42:09 AM
We should have just played him and let him develop without the pressure of needing to “avoid relegation”. The coward in charge had other ideas though and thought points on the board would disguise his disgraceful brand of football and keep him in a job.
Allardyce wasn’t the only manager that didn’t play him. Unsworth and Koeman didn’t either
The truth is he blew a lot of the limited chances he got. Again I don’t think he was badly treated. Just a young player who wasn’t in a managers plans
Post by: Lxxx on July 10, 2018, 03:48:48 AM
Post by: Ross on July 10, 2018, 04:09:56 AM
Post by: GLewis on July 10, 2018, 04:20:26 AM
Allardyce wasn’t the only manager that didn’t play him. Unsworth and Koeman didn’t either
The truth is he blew a lot of the limited chances he got. Again I don’t think he was badly treated. Just a young player who wasn’t in a managers plans
Both started him a couple of times but I think he got hooked at half time a couple of times too.
Obviously hard to judge in the surrounding mess but equally it wasn’t as though he was making an impossible case to not pick him.
Post by: Bob Sacamano on July 10, 2018, 04:35:01 AM
Allardyce wasn’t the only manager that didn’t play him. Unsworth and Koeman didn’t either
The truth is he blew a lot of the limited chances he got. Again I don’t think he was badly treated. Just a young player who wasn’t in a managers plans
Not quite my point but I get yours, you’d like to think he would have taken advantage of any 3 managers giving him a go. I was more angling toward that because we were declared “safel” Allardyce had the most opportunities to play him. We had a fucker of a start to the season so RK wouldn’t play him then. Unsworth chopped and changed his sides after trying to pull the dressing room back together after RK. Plus he was (in my memory) inconsistent with his setups and selections to have a chance to consistently play him.
I do think it’s a missed opportunity not telling him we’d let him play, accept dips in form etc
Post by: howard1334 on July 10, 2018, 05:13:58 AM
Allardyce wasn’t the only manager that didn’t play him. Unsworth and Koeman didn’t either
The truth is he blew a lot of the limited chances he got. Again I don’t think he was badly treated. Just a young player who wasn’t in a managers plans
He was disrespected by Allardyce on a number of occasions. But this is an argument that we have had before and I don't feel like fully relitigating. So feel free to post that you disagree, and then I will leave it at that.
Post by: American Evertonian on July 10, 2018, 05:45:16 AM
Seems to me he’s keen on the move and RB are aware of his willingness to make the switch.
But if they are only going to put up an offer of £12m they either are no where close to having the funds or just trying to unsettle the player to try to gain negotiation power.
Post by: gizzblue on July 10, 2018, 06:33:22 AM
All we have is Ragnik blowing bubbles so far.
Post by: Ramjam on July 10, 2018, 06:57:11 AM
Until the lad puts in a transfer request ...it's all bullshit imho.Sounds like he should be at West Ham
All we have is Ragnik blowing bubbles so far.
Post by: brap2 on July 10, 2018, 01:50:24 PM
Just got a bad feeling he will go.
Post by: Cereal Killer on July 10, 2018, 02:11:27 PM
Post by: Bluenose 91 on July 10, 2018, 06:41:22 PM
Seems to me he’s keen on the move and RB are aware of his willingness to make the switch.
Nice one detective
Post by: Lxxx on July 10, 2018, 06:54:18 PM
I'm pretty ambivalent either way to be honest. He's done nothing for us so far and if he wants the move then we'll just have to trust the management team's judgement, whatever that may be.
Post by: Ross on July 10, 2018, 08:07:55 PM
Nice one detective
Happy to be of service.
Post by: Bluedylan on July 10, 2018, 08:10:57 PM
Post by: brap2 on July 10, 2018, 08:46:03 PM
Glad the WC's back on for two days. Be glad to escape the flapping and wild speculation, based on little to no information.
No way baby I’m here all week
Post by: Bluedylan on July 10, 2018, 08:51:32 PM
No way baby I’m here all week
Honestly wasn't a pop at you mate. I like and respect what you have to say.
Post by: Macca77 on July 10, 2018, 09:01:17 PM
Honestly wasn't a pop at you mate. I like and respect what you have to say.
Pathetic
Post by: MmmblueBernard on July 10, 2018, 09:30:43 PM
Post by: brap2 on July 10, 2018, 10:00:43 PM
Honestly wasn't a pop at you mate. I like and respect what you have to say.
Have upped my crank factor this summer like
Post by: Redartin on July 13, 2018, 05:57:29 PM
Post by: TheRam on July 13, 2018, 05:59:07 PM
Has anyone else read that we rejected a 14m bid from West Ham?
Not from anywhere reliable, no.
Post by: Goaljira on July 13, 2018, 05:59:46 PM
Has anyone else read that we rejected a 14m bid from West Ham?
Its a blag account. Was an Evwrton account up until a couple of months ago. Can't understand how a blue would decide to just one day decide to prwtend to be Jack Sullivan to wind up fellow blues?
Post by: blueToffee on July 13, 2018, 06:39:12 PM
If we struggle to shift any more of our expensive assets we might have to let him go in order to bring in a left back and central defender, which is apparently the two areas identified as needing strengthening as a priority. We may then have to utilise Sandro and throw him into the wide forward mix.
I'm pretty ambivalent either way to be honest. He's done nothing for us so far and if he wants the move then we'll just have to trust the management team's judgement, whatever that may be.
Nah, he’ll not be on much that we need to sell him. We’re clearly just trying to shift out the expensive/not working out players. We don’t need to raise money per se in order to buy as you seem to be suggesting.
Beside Brands is a fan, so I don’t think he’s heading out anywhere.
Post by: van der Meyde on July 13, 2018, 06:48:16 PM
Nah, he’ll not be on much that we need to sell him. We’re clearly just trying to shift out the expensive/not working out players. We don’t need to raise money per se in order to buy as you seem to be suggesting.Aye. Fairly sure it's a wage bill and squad numbers thing, rather than cash flow.
Beside Brands is a fan, so I don’t think he’s heading out anywhere.
Post by: GLewis on July 13, 2018, 06:52:36 PM
Aye. Fairly sure it's a wage bill and squad numbers thing, rather than cash flow.
Plus a more discreet way of saying some are rubbish!
Post by: blueToffee on July 13, 2018, 07:06:32 PM
Basically the players we're moving on we just don’t rate for whatever reason or wouldn’t fit with Silva’s approach.
Post by: Paddockoldie on July 13, 2018, 07:41:27 PM
If we struggle to shift any more of our expensive assets we might have to let him go in order to bring in a left back and central defender, which is apparently the two areas identified as needing strengthening as a priority. We may then have to utilise Sandro and throw him into the wide forward mix.
I'm pretty ambivalent either way to be honest. He's done nothing for us so far and if he wants the move then we'll just have to trust the management team's judgement, whatever that may be.
Quite difficult to do anything for us playing in Germany though to be fair on the lad. Did plenty there though. Enough to make them want him.
Post by: Lxxx on July 13, 2018, 08:15:12 PM
Nah, he’ll not be on much that we need to sell him. We’re clearly just trying to shift out the expensive/not working out players. We don’t need to raise money per se in order to buy as you seem to be suggesting.
Beside Brands is a fan, so I don’t think he’s heading out anywhere.
Yeh you’re right. Hopefully.
Post by: blue slug on July 13, 2018, 08:55:41 PM
Post by: TheRam on July 18, 2018, 04:47:02 AM
Post by: Shogun on July 18, 2018, 04:48:27 AM
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 18, 2018, 04:50:16 AM
RB Leipzig aren’t ready to match Everton’s valuation of Ademola Lookman. The Blues have already turned down two bids of €14m and €16m. Bild say Everton are planning their season with Lookman as a key part..
Piss taking cunts. Them offers an an insult
Post by: Thornton_19 on July 18, 2018, 05:01:44 AM
I may be wrong like.
Post by: Danny on July 18, 2018, 05:13:03 AM
Bild is a bit of a shit rag in Germany isnt it? Equivalent of the Sun or Star?
I may be wrong like.
Not with the football, but apparently they're only reliable for Bayern last I saw.
Post by: Redartin on July 18, 2018, 01:41:43 PM
Piss taking cunts. Them offers an an insultEverton are allegedly looking €20m. So their offers aren't that far away. €20m is approx £17.7m which seems a shit valuation if true. It doesn't exactly shout out "piss off your not getting him at any price"
Post by: TheRam on July 18, 2018, 01:47:52 PM
Everton are allegedly looking €20m. So their offers aren't that far away. €20m is approx £17.7m which seems a shit valuation if true. It doesn't exactly shout out "piss off your not getting him at any price"
Where have you seen we would sell him for 20mil?
Post by: Mick 1995 on July 18, 2018, 02:45:54 PM
Where have you seen we would sell him for 20mil?
That was the figure i'd seen in most reports as well.
Seemed well off to the point i'd ignored it.
Post by: howard1334 on July 18, 2018, 02:54:31 PM
Post by: Lxxx on July 18, 2018, 03:25:38 PM
However all we have to go off him wanting to leave is their Sporting Director telling the press, which is a bit naughty whichever way you look at it.
Post by: Redartin on July 18, 2018, 09:31:36 PM
Where have you seen we would sell him for 20mil?https://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=https://www.bild.de/sport/fussball/rb-leipzig/kaempft-um-lookman-56350492.bild.html&prev=search
The same Bild article you mentioned.
I didn't say we would sell him for 20m, I said we are ALLEGEDLY looking 20m.
Post by: kramer0 on July 18, 2018, 09:37:15 PM
The dinosaurs are gone. He should be playing regularly for Everton this season.
Post by: Evertonian in NC on July 18, 2018, 11:46:52 PM
Post by: bluenuck on July 19, 2018, 01:16:14 PM
Post by: Waltzer on July 19, 2018, 02:45:03 PM
Don't know about the rest of you. But I really hate these lookman rumours. Gotta keep that kid.
Did initially but im starting to think that if Koeman, Allardyce and now Silva dont fancy him then i'm willing to go with there judgement that he aint all that. The last one is based on the premise that the 'rumours' are true and we will let him go for 18 million
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on July 19, 2018, 02:59:15 PM
Post by: dunkster on July 19, 2018, 03:02:04 PM
Who knows what he's been like in training.
He was probably the one youngster for me who looked like he could go on to be a top player and we allowed him to go out on loan..ffs
Post by: TheRam on July 19, 2018, 03:06:58 PM
Did initially but im starting to think that if Koeman, Allardyce and now Silva dont fancy him then i'm willing to go with there judgement that he aint all that. The last one is based on the premise that the 'rumours' are true and we will let him go for 18 million
Absolutely no indication silva doesn’t fancy lookman.
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on July 19, 2018, 03:11:01 PM
Post by: TheRam on July 19, 2018, 09:12:48 PM
Oh man. It’s just not going away this.
Post by: Macca77 on July 19, 2018, 09:22:35 PM
Post by: Bluedylan on July 19, 2018, 09:25:01 PM
Not interested if he wants off, before anyone throws that argument in. You're a management team. You keep him, build a relationship with him and show him why he should stay here, by playing him and developing him.
One other point is that I've seen no actual indication from anywhere that we want to sell him. So I remain hopeful.
Post by: blueToffee on July 19, 2018, 09:32:39 PM
I still think Brands likes him, no reason to think Silva doesn't either. That said, they may feel if they got a decent offer they could bring in a player further along in their development perhaps?
Despite a decent loan spell he hasn't as yet proven himself a PL regular. Dunno. Still think it's unlikely, but I'd not be surprised if they've been given reason to keep this pursuit going, which isn't ideal but not irreversible either.
Post by: Macca77 on July 19, 2018, 09:32:54 PM
Post by: van der Meyde on July 19, 2018, 09:34:58 PM
One other point is that I've seen no actual indication from anywhere that we want to sell him. So I remain hopeful.Don't know about that. I think making a third bid would be a fairly clear indication Leipzig have not been told point blank that he's not for sale. At a minimum that would suggest Everton might be open to selling him (at the right price), even if we don't necessarily 'want' to.
Post by: D15TIN on July 19, 2018, 09:35:00 PM
He's not for sale, they need to fuck off and stop thinking theyre a big draw, because they're not.
Post by: kramer0 on July 19, 2018, 09:35:56 PM
Go Away.
Sincerely,
Kramer
Post by: blue slug on July 19, 2018, 09:36:35 PM
Post by: blueToffee on July 19, 2018, 09:37:36 PM
My fear is that he does seem to be one of our more sellable assets
I don't think we have any reason to think we need to sell to buy. He can't be on much wage wise, and I don't think any transfer fee would be of overwhelming significance it'd force our hand.
Fact is he is unproven still in the PL. The new management doesn't have a relationship Lookman beyond a few weeks so if the player is potentially kicking up a fuss, they might just decide to take the money and bring in another fresh face who does want to come. Dunno.
Post by: bigmanbob on July 19, 2018, 09:57:37 PM
Wish the club would come out and say hes not for saleExactly my thoughts, the fact they haven't makes you think they're willing to sell
Post by: American Evertonian on July 19, 2018, 10:01:54 PM
I don't think we have any reason to think we need to sell to buy. He can't be on much wage wise, and I don't think any transfer fee would be of overwhelming significance it'd force our hand.
Fact is he is unproven still in the PL. The new management doesn't have a relationship Lookman beyond a few weeks so if the player is potentially kicking up a fuss, they might just decide to take the money and bring in another fresh face who does want to come. Dunno.
Silva came out and even said we don't have to buy to sell.....not that he couldn't be lying but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt to start out
Post by: D15TIN on July 19, 2018, 10:11:58 PM
Silva came out and even said we don't have to buy to sell.....not that he couldn't be lying but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt to start outI think he's probably right, there will be money there. I just don't think he likes the idea of training 30 first team players everyday ha
Post by: Redartin on July 19, 2018, 11:05:17 PM
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/transfers/everton-transfer-news-ademola-lookman-rb-leipzig-third-bid-how-much-a8454531.html
Oh man. It’s just not going away this.
The prices quoted in this article are in £ sterling.
Yesterday's article in Bild, which was fairly similar in wording, the prices were in euros.
Just to clarify 20m Euro is £17.8m on today's rate.
If, as ALLEDGED, Everton are looking that sort of money, that in itself would be a good enough indicator to Lepzig that they are willing to
Post by: Escla on July 19, 2018, 11:25:58 PM
Post by: Hawkandro on July 19, 2018, 11:27:28 PM
Either that, or he has said he 100% wants to go.
Post by: sam of the south on July 19, 2018, 11:34:47 PM
Oh yeah, and the shite are continuing to buy good players.
Post by: blargins on July 19, 2018, 11:38:04 PM
I just wonder if he hadn’t scored that goal against Man City would so many people be in such a flap on here about our selling an unproven player for twice what we paid for him a year ago, just wondering.
Not sure the goal against City is even in people's thoughts. He really hasn't done anything for us of note, but when he was given the chance at Liepzig, he did begin to flourish. And now he's a bit older, a bit more experienced and the potential has been shown, I think most would like to see him stay and be given a decent chance with us to prove himself.
It would be a shame to lose him for that money, it's clear he's highly thought of elsewhere.
Post by: Ross on July 19, 2018, 11:42:28 PM
Not sure the goal against City is even in people's thoughts. He really hasn't done anything for us of note, but when he was given the chance at Liepzig, he did begin to flourish. And now he's a bit older, a bit more experienced and the potential has been shown, I think most would like to see him stay and be given a decent chance with us to prove himself.
It would be a shame to lose him for that money, it's clear he's highly thought of elsewhere.
Exactly he was only on the pitch that day for about 3 minutes that day.
Post by: blargins on July 19, 2018, 11:45:10 PM
Exactly he was only on the pitch that day for about 3 minutes that day.
I don't think he's done anything else that meaningful for us since he's been here. A couple of goals against a crap European team from a shit league in a game that didn't matter and that's really it.
I would like to see him given a proper chance to see if he is what they hype says and especially as no one else is an option on the wing, it's even more vital he stays at least for now.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 19, 2018, 11:45:24 PM
this is all part of the Darkest Timeline where gravy-swilling, hippo-headed fuck is given "just one more season, what could it hurt, really?"
🙄
You’d think lookman played all the time under koeman and unsworth the way folk want to point the finger
Post by: Escla on July 19, 2018, 11:47:27 PM
Exactly he was only on the pitch that day for about 3 minutes that day.
It’s the goal that sticks in mind, not how many minutes he was on the pitch, it was a quite spectacular goal, and Blargs, he would be even more highly thought of if he were playing in an even lesser league,
not saying the Bundesliga is shite but it’s a way off thevPremier League.
Post by: Ross on July 19, 2018, 11:55:21 PM
I don't think he's done anything else that meaningful for us since he's been here. A couple of goals against a crap European team from a shit league in a game that didn't matter and that's really it.
I would like to see him given a proper chance to see if he is what they hype says and especially as no one else is an option on the wing, it's even more vital he stays at least for now.
His last performance for us he turned the derby round at Mordor after people crying out for him to get more minutes, then he went off to Germany and obviously had a great time.
He’s clearly got something about him and needs a certain type of manager, Koeman or Allardyce are clearly not the type.
It’s the goal that sticks in mind, not how many minutes he was on the pitch, it was a quite spectacular goal, and Blargs, he would be even more highly thought of if he were playing in an even lesser league,
not saying the Bundesliga is shite but it’s a way off thevPremier League.
Are you mixing it up with Davies goal? Lookmans was decent but not the standout from that game.
The fact the German league is probably the closet around to the premier league for its fast physical natural is a good indication he’s able to make the step up from bit part player to first team with the right encouragement and tactics.
Post by: Alanvideo on July 19, 2018, 11:57:41 PM
Exactly he was only on the pitch that day for about 3 minutes that day................it's the only time I can remember Koeman smiling ,when that goal went in !
Post by: Escla on July 19, 2018, 11:58:24 PM
His last performance for us he turned the derby round at Mordor after people crying out for him to get more minutes, then he went off to Germany and obviously had a great time.
He’s clearly got something about him and needs a certain type of manager, Koeman or Allardyce are clearly not the type.
Are you mixing it up with Davies goal? Lookmans was decent but not the standout from that game.
The fact the German league is probably the closet around to the premier league for its fast physical natural is a good indication he’s able to make the step up from bit part player to first team with the right encouragement and tactics.
Yore right, mixing it up with Davies goal tbh. Still think he would be less in people’s minds if he hadn’t scored on his debut.
Post by: Ross on July 19, 2018, 11:58:27 PM
...............it's the only time I can remember Koeman smiling ,when that goal went in !
Wind?
Post by: blargins on July 20, 2018, 12:00:55 AM
It’s the goal that sticks in mind, not how many minutes he was on the pitch, it was a quite spectacular goal, and Blargs, he would be even more highly thought of if he were playing in an even lesser league,
not saying the Bundesliga is shite but it’s a way off thevPremier League.
I want to see him given the chance with us. He has something about him and it would be a lost opportunity to see him go, especially for a low bid.
BUt he is only potential right now, he needs to prove himself.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 20, 2018, 12:04:51 AM
We have made an absolute mess of our transfer the last season or 2. Can just imagine us adding to it by selling lookman cheap and this time next year him getting linked to top clubs for 60 or 70 million
Post by: blargins on July 20, 2018, 12:10:40 AM
Post by: Evertonian in NC on July 20, 2018, 12:15:27 AM
How the hell do you mix Davies up with Lookman??? lol
I don't see colour, hairstyle, size, or position on the pitch, man. Get with the times ,, smh.
Post by: Escla on July 20, 2018, 12:22:27 AM
How the hell do you mix Davies up with Lookman??? lol
Yeh, silly me, Davies hair is longer.
Post by: howard1334 on July 20, 2018, 02:10:50 AM
Yore right, mixing it up with Davies goal tbh. Still think he would be less in people’s minds if he hadn’t scored on his debut.
I really don't think so. My valuation -- and I think most others too -- has nothing to do with that first goal. It is rather based on his play for us (where his talent has definitely been apparent), his performances during the u-20 World Cup, and, especially, his terrific play in Germany.
Post by: howard1334 on July 20, 2018, 02:12:44 AM
I want to see him given the chance with us. He has something about him and it would be a lost opportunity to see him go, especially for a low bid.
BUt he is only potential right now, he needs to prove himself.
I don't think he is "only potential right now." He is not a player being called up from the U-18s. He has proved himself -- first at the lower levels and then in the Bundesliga. His performances in Germany, in particular, have moved him beyond "potential only." Just look how bad Liepzig want him.
Post by: blargins on July 20, 2018, 02:30:25 AM
I don't think he is "only potential right now." He is not a player being called up from the U-18s. He has proved himself -- first at the lower levels and then in the Bundesliga. His performances in Germany, in particular, have moved him beyond "potential only." Just look how bad Liepzig want him.
Perhaps he is moving from potential. Still want him to stay and see if he can be consistent in the prem for us.
Post by: Paddockoldie on July 20, 2018, 04:03:52 AM
Post by: Escla on July 20, 2018, 04:14:39 AM
We've got to give him this season to show his potential. After all we gave Barkley years to show his, even after that he never really got better... Lookman deserves that chance.
The only problem with that is Lookman doesn’t want that chance with us, he is adamant he wants to stay with Leipzig.
Post by: blargins on July 20, 2018, 04:18:28 AM
The only problem with that is Lookman doesn’t want that chance with us, he is adamant he wants to stay with Leipzig.
Well, tough shit, he has a contract with us.
Post by: Martip on July 20, 2018, 04:51:10 AM
Well, tough shit, he has a contract with us.This is the thing we shouldn't let players hold us to ransom and dictate. They want their big contracts honoured ala Klassen but then want to leave at the drop of a hat when they get an offer elsewhere.
Post by: Tony Clifton on July 20, 2018, 05:09:37 AM
Post by: Alanvideo on July 20, 2018, 05:14:23 AM
Post by: American Evertonian on July 20, 2018, 06:14:36 AM
I think he's probably right, there will be money there. I just don't think he likes the idea of training 30 first team players everyday ha
God I know. Reading all of these articles about who to sell and who to keep for the 25 man squad is exhausting. So many potential senior level players without even buying anyone.
Post by: Redartin on July 20, 2018, 06:21:13 AM
I really don't think so. My valuation -- and I think most others too -- has nothing to do with that first goal. It is rather based on his play for us (where his talent has definitely been apparent), his performances during the u-20 World Cup, and, especially, his terrific play in Germany.Not having a pop at you, I'm agreeing with most of what you say, just putting some reality in the mix.
I don't think he is "only potential right now." He is not a player being called up from the U-18s. He has proved himself -- first at the lower levels and then in the Bundesliga. His performances in Germany, in particular, have moved him beyond "potential only." Just look how bad Liepzig want him.
In one and a half seasons, as a 17 year old, he made 45 appearances and scored 10 goals for Charlton in both the Championship and League One. So yes, he certainly had it in the lower leagues.
He came to us for 7.5m rising to 11m with add ons and he stayed for 12 months.
He made 24 appearances for the first team in all competitions, totalling 809 minutes, and scored 3 goals. One against City on his debut and two against Apollon in the EPL. (Scored in 2 out of 24 games) so not exactly setting the place on fire, but that could be down to the managers.
Under Unsworth he also made 3 appearances for the U23 team, totalling 220 minutes and also scored 3 goals. So he can also produce the goods at Under 23 level and under a different manager.
He then went to Leipzig and made 11 appearances, totalling 575 minutes scoring 5 goals and 3 assists. These goals were against teams in the lower half of the Bundisliga, 2 against Wolfsburg who were relegated. He never played against your Bayern Munich or Schalke or Dortmund so we can't say how he would have performed against the best teams in Germany. But against lower opposition he can certainly produce the goods.
I don't think he is in Silva's first 11 plans, whereas if he goes to Germany he'll probably start each week. He's young, probably headstrong, (he dug the heels in about going to Derby), he more that likely wants to just play regular football. I don't think he is buying into the wonderful Brands/Siva project and the fact he remained on the bench against Bury was significant. I think he will go. It would be a bit ironical of Marco to force him to stay after his Watford scenario.
Just a thought if he does go for 20m euro do Charlton get a cut?
Post by: efcforlife on July 20, 2018, 06:22:05 AM
I'd say 20mill and above and I'm happy.
Post by: howard1334 on July 20, 2018, 08:34:06 AM
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/marco-silva-confirms-ademola-lookman-14930848
Post by: kramer0 on July 20, 2018, 09:01:36 AM
Just look at what Silva did with Richarlison early last season. I think Lookman has that sort of potential given the opportunity to play in a similar system.
It would be another sucker move to sell and attempt to replace him for double the cost with Zaha, Lozano, or Richarlison. Work with what you have.
(And he won’t kick up a fuss if he’s playing football regularly here.)
Post by: blueToffee on July 20, 2018, 09:14:29 AM
Good stuff from Silva. Should stay then unless he really kicks up a storm or Liepzig comes in with something like 22m +.
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/marco-silva-confirms-ademola-lookman-14930848
Just normal press comments isn't it?
"He's our player" is the most empty comment ever isn't it? I mean how many times have you heard that before a transfer?
I don't know which way this one will go, but it sounds like he wants off and that's rarely a good starting point. On the plus side as it's happening behind the scenes it's not too late for him to backtrack.
That said, while yes I'd like him to get a chance here, I genuinely am a little unsure what his potential contribution for the season would be. I can't imagine he's moved that far along in his development within that short loan spell.
Post by: howard1334 on July 20, 2018, 10:16:33 AM
Just normal press comments isn't it?
"He's our player" is the most empty comment ever isn't it? I mean how many times have you heard that before a transfer?
I don't know which way this one will go, but it sounds like he wants off and that's rarely a good starting point. On the plus side as it's happening behind the scenes it's not too late for him to backtrack.
That said, while yes I'd like him to get a chance here, I genuinely am a little unsure what his potential contribution for the season would be. I can't imagine he's moved that far along in his development within that short loan spell.
To an extent, I think you right: It is just run of the mill press stuff. But I think it still has import nonetheless. The silence was much more worrisome, and suggested that we would be selling in due course. By coming out with the statement, I think it draws a bit of a line in the sand, and suggests that we won't be parting ways with Lookman for a paltry, sub 20m, sum.
How can you not see what his potential contribution is?
Post by: blueToffee on July 20, 2018, 10:34:51 AM
To an extent, I think you right: It is just run of the mill press stuff. But I think it still has import nonetheless. The silence was much more worrisome, and suggested that we would be selling in due course. By coming out with the statement, I think it draws a bit of a line in the sand, and suggests that we won't be parting ways with Lookman for a paltry, sub 20m, sum.
How can you not see what his potential contribution is?
Well it's potential at the moment. That's kinda the point. He's not really proven anything as yet. I thought he looked good but raw in the limited appearances he's played for us so far, one game he's good, another he might be invisible...that's what you can get with a younger player though in particular. I'd play him every day of the week ahead of Bolaise or Mirallas, however I'd like us ideally to have a player a little further along in their development too that give us some real options to rotate between. I don't really want to have to rely on Lookman and I'd like to sell Bolasie and Mirallas.
If he plays the whole season though, I really don't know what sort of return we might get from him assists/goals wise. He might get a handful, he might get into double figures.
Post by: howard1334 on July 20, 2018, 10:44:18 AM
Well it's potential at the moment. That's kinda the point. He's not really proven anything as yet. I thought he looked good but raw in the limited appearances he's played for us so far, one game he's good, another he might be invisible...that's what you can get with a younger player though in particular. I'd play him every day of the week ahead of Bolaise or Mirallas, however I'd like us ideally to have a player a little further along in their development too that give us some real options to rotate between. I don't really want to have to rely on Lookman and I'd like to sell Bolasie and Mirallas.
If he plays the whole season though, I really don't know what sort of return we might get from him assists/goals wise. He might get a handful, he might get into double figures.
I get that he only played about half a season with RB Leipzig, and that there is a danger in putting too much weight on small sample sizes (see, e.g., Sandro), but you can't just ignore his play in Germany (as you seem to be), especially when he truly was excellent for Leipzig, getting 5 goals and 3 assists in just 11 matches. When you then also consider that there are some pretty strong arguments to be made that he was criminally underused last season by Koeman and Allardyce, don't you think that you might, possibly, be downplaying his potential impact a bit?
Also, maybe I am just more reckless than you are, but I would rather we do rely heavily on players like Lookman that have the potential -- even if it is not yet realized -- to become top 4 level talents, rather than older, more reliable players that don't. We can't attract top 4 talents, so if we are going to climb the ranks of the Prem, we are going to need to develop them. Indeed, RB Liepzig provides a model that we should be trying to emulate. And I would be very disappointed if we go and do the exact opposite by selling one of our players to them.
Post by: blueToffee on July 20, 2018, 11:06:42 AM
I get that he only played about half a season with RB Leipzig, and that there is a danger in putting too much weight on small sample sizes (see, e.g., Sandro), but you can't just ignore his play in Germany (as you seem to be), especially when he truly was excellent for Leipzig, getting 5 goals and 3 assists in just 11 matches. When you then also consider that there are some pretty strong arguments to be made that he was criminally underused last season by Koeman and Allardyce, don't you think that you might, possibly, be downplaying his potential impact a bit?
Also, maybe I am just more reckless than you are, but I would rather we do rely heavily on players like Lookman that have the potential -- even if it is not yet realized -- to become top 4 level talents, rather than older, more reliable players that don't. We can't attract top 4 talents, so if we are going to climb the ranks of the Prem, we are going to need to develop them. Indeed, RB Liepzig provides a model that we should be trying to emulate. And I would be very disappointed if we go and do the exact opposite by selling one of our players to them.
I'm not factoring it in as I didn't see any of those games, I don't know the opposition he was up against. Were they tap ins or 30 yarders? He was playing for the second best team in the country toward the end of the season so was he getting a ton of chances versus teams that maybe had nothing left to play for? Stats without context don't tell you all that much (as you point out with Sandro). Plus, frankly it is a different league and it's not a 1:1 with the PL.
Equally maybe he tore it up there and scored a brace against Bayern...basically I can't feel I can personally rate a player without being able to see them myself. All I know about his time there was decent stats and good reviews but I don't really know any deeper than that. So it makes me a bit unsure about going into the season with him as lets say first choice without really good other options as last time I saw Lookman he did seem pretty raw.
I'd be happy with Silva starting him in the first game of the season, I just want other options too. That aren't our current options.
Post by: Paddockoldie on July 20, 2018, 12:22:54 PM
The only problem with that is Lookman doesn’t want that chance with us, he is adamant he wants to stay with Leipzig.
Where did you read that?
Post by: howard1334 on July 20, 2018, 12:39:34 PM
I'm not factoring it in as I didn't see any of those games, I don't know the opposition he was up against. Were they tap ins or 30 yarders? He was playing for the second best team in the country toward the end of the season so was he getting a ton of chances versus teams that maybe had nothing left to play for? Stats without context don't tell you all that much (as you point out with Sandro). Plus, frankly it is a different league and it's not a 1:1 with the PL.
Equally maybe he tore it up there and scored a brace against Bayern...basically I can't feel I can personally rate a player without being able to see them myself. All I know about his time there was decent stats and good reviews but I don't really know any deeper than that. So it makes me a bit unsure about going into the season with him as lets say first choice without really good other options as last time I saw Lookman he did seem pretty raw.
I'd be happy with Silva starting him in the first game of the season, I just want other options too. That aren't our current options.
Okay, fine. But maybe it would have been worth noting those points originally rather than ignoring his play in Germany entirely. Just b/c you don't posses relevant information does not make it irrelevant. And it is a bit weird that you are seemingly trying to spin your own lack of knowledge as some sort of defense in your favor during an online debate, especially when it suggests that you are not really in the best position to evaluate his potential impact on our team.
And for the record, while I did not watch any of his games live, I did read each review and watch every highlight (including all his goals and assists) from his time in Germany that I could get my hands on, and I am basing my own evaluation, in part, on that information.
Post by: Ramjam on July 20, 2018, 12:46:12 PM
Post by: Hawkandro on July 20, 2018, 02:17:44 PM
Basically, don't be taken for a fucking mug, Everton.
Post by: Hawkandro on July 20, 2018, 02:37:01 PM
Sounds like Lookman has made his mind up and wants to go.
Post by: Bally on July 20, 2018, 02:51:19 PM
Post by: Cereal Killer on July 20, 2018, 02:53:00 PM
He is not for sale, the club have said this at least 3 times.
But that doesn't suit people's agendas that we're shit, skint and desperate so they ignore that....
Post by: School of Science on July 20, 2018, 03:49:36 PM
We dig our heels in then; put a high price tag on him or demand a swap deal for one of their players; Forsberg, Yussuf, Upamecano, Orban etc.
Basically, don't be taken for a fucking mug, Everton.
This. Said before maybe we should try and unsettle Leipzig's players.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 20, 2018, 04:16:00 PM
To lose a player we don’t want to sell on the cheap would rank amongst our poorest business. Which is a strong contest in recent transfer windows. Also we’d have gone from a ridiculous not taking no for an answer strategy to getting taken advantage of
Post by: Hawkandro on July 20, 2018, 04:23:09 PM
Post by: Macca77 on July 20, 2018, 04:30:34 PM
Post by: brap2 on July 20, 2018, 04:37:01 PM
This. Said before maybe we should try and unsettle Leipzig's players.
Being able to tempt the player themselves is a different matter but I actually think RBL are ran in the way that every player probably does have a price & they would be confident with their plan B in each position as well as the laundry list of potential targets.
Post by: Juanito on July 20, 2018, 04:38:16 PM
To me, it sounds like we will sell him if they meet our £20m valuation.
Where did this valuation come from? Archaic Red Wine Pint Man?
Post by: van der Meyde on July 20, 2018, 04:52:07 PM
He is not for sale, the club have said this at least 3 times.They probably need to use the actual phrase "not for sale" for me to believe it personally.
The fact that Leipzig have come in with bids of £12m, £14m and are apparently readying another one suggests to me they haven't said those words to Leipzig either.
Post by: Lxxx on July 20, 2018, 05:18:33 PM
Post by: blue slug on July 20, 2018, 05:23:44 PM
They probably need to use the actual phrase "not for sale" for me to believe it personally.
The fact that Leipzig have come in with bids of £12m, £14m and are apparently readying another one suggests to me they haven't said those words to Leipzig either.
Those bids suggest to me that they are a piss pot team with piss takers in charge of player recruitment
Post by: Ross on July 20, 2018, 05:25:14 PM
Do we know if they have actually made these bids or is it just Twitter gossip. There's a lot written but I don't think I've read anything official out of the club or in the press about any of it really. Apart from Rangnick's naughty comments.
How often do the club (or any) give running commentary on player sales and negotiations?
Especially unpopular ones.
Post by: Lxxx on July 20, 2018, 05:25:59 PM
Those bids suggest to me that they are a piss pot team with piss takers in charge of player recruitment
Or they're run like a proper football club, within their means and have a clear strategy in what they pay and who they bring in. Crazy hey.
Post by: Lxxx on July 20, 2018, 05:27:43 PM
How often do the club (or any) give running commentary on player sales and negotiations?
Especially unpopular ones.
Exactly. In the absence of much going on we're going round and round in circles on numerous threads on internet gossip.
Post by: Ross on July 20, 2018, 05:29:16 PM
Those bids suggest to me that they are a piss pot team with piss takers in charge of player recruitment
Its just that European clubs don’t throw cash about like English teams do.
That plus the fact everyone is expecting the English player premium but forgetting he wouldn’t be joining another English club. If Leipzig were buying a German player with his potential from another German club they’d have to pay more for his nationality as well.
Post by: Ross on July 20, 2018, 05:30:10 PM
Exactly. In the absence of much going on we're going round and round in circles on numerous threads on internet gossip.
Well it’s not internet gossip is it? It’s being reported in the media both here and in Germany.
Post by: blue slug on July 20, 2018, 05:48:55 PM
Its just that European clubs don’t throw cash about like English teams do.
That plus the fact everyone is expecting the English player premium but forgetting he wouldn’t be joining another English club. If Leipzig were buying a German player with his potential from another German club they’d have to pay more for his nationality as well.
They wouldn't, the only german team that really pays a premium for german talent is Bayern and even that's nowhere near on the scale we do with English talents
Post by: Ross on July 20, 2018, 05:53:38 PM
They wouldn't, the only german team that really pays a premium for german talent is Bayern and even that's nowhere near on the scale we do with English talents
Which proves my point that European (German) clubs don’t throw cash around like they do here.
And most definitely they would have to pay more for a player a German player, likewise a Spanish club would pay more for a Spanish player or French for a French player.
Post by: blue slug on July 20, 2018, 05:58:22 PM
Which proves my point that European (German) clubs don’t throw cash around like they do here.
And most definitely they would have to pay more for a player a German player, likewise a Spanish club would pay more for a Spanish player or French for a French player.
Yeah well they need to if they want to sign a talented English youngster under a long contract, I personally would accept less than 30m for lookman
Post by: Normm on July 20, 2018, 06:09:19 PM
Yeah well they need to if they want to sign a talented English youngster under a long contract, I personally would accept less than 30m for lookman
You mean "wouldn't" ... - I hope that clarifies matters.
Post by: blue slug on July 20, 2018, 06:14:12 PM
Post by: blueToffee on July 20, 2018, 06:40:11 PM
Okay, fine. But maybe it would have been worth noting those points originally rather than ignoring his play in Germany entirely. Just b/c you don't posses relevant information does not make it irrelevant. And it is a bit weird that you are seemingly trying to spin your own lack of knowledge as some sort of defense in your favor during an online debate, especially when it suggests that you are not really in the best position to evaluate his potential impact on our team.
And for the record, while I did not watch any of his games live, I did read each review and watch every highlight (including all his goals and assists) from his time in Germany that I could get my hands on, and I am basing my own evaluation, in part, on that information.
I’m not trying to spin anything, I’m just saying I didn’t see those games. That doesn’t make them irrelevant, but it also doesn’t make them something that they’re not.
In total minutes terms he played about 6 and a half games of football during his loan spell there. Even if I was sat in the stands in Germany, that’s a very small sample size of football.
My really tiny original point was simply that it’s hard to gauge his potential contribution for the season still despite his loan time. He’s not had any close a full season in the Premier League yet. Sure he has the potential to do well because he has talent, but is he up to the rigors of a full season?
Personally, I still see him as a work in progress that may still make some of his better contributions from the bench against tired legs. Given how RB used him, they treated him kinda the same...he moved there in January after all and only started 7 games I think so they gave him plenty of time out of the limelight. So I’d rather we had another player to rotate with and not put too much reliance on Lookman.
That’s not an attack on Lookman, it’s about having options as a club and being prepared as a club for a player who might well have some ups and downs...and also giving him and us some proper competition for his place.
Post by: gizzblue on July 20, 2018, 08:58:25 PM
Lookman is ours 30m or fuck off Leipzig.
Post by: D15TIN on July 20, 2018, 09:02:47 PM
If everton had any balls at all and wanted to make a statement of intent it should read simply''Leipzig are wasting their time, he's not going" wouldn't name figures.
Lookman is ours 30m or fuck off Leipzig.
Post by: Lxxx on July 20, 2018, 09:04:01 PM
If everton had any balls at all and wanted to make a statement of intent it should read simply
Lookman is ours 30m or fuck off Leipzig.
But that doesn't make a statement that he's ours does it. it's like asking a woman if she'd sleep with a man for £10,000 and she says no chance but she would for £10m. She's basically a hooker for sale, the only thing to determine is the price.
Post by: blue slug on July 20, 2018, 09:09:42 PM
Post by: gizzblue on July 20, 2018, 09:15:44 PM
But that doesn't make a statement that he's ours does it. it's like asking a woman if she'd sleep with a man for £10,000 and she says no chance but she would for £10m. She's basically a hooker for sale, the only thing to determine is the price.
No the statement is stop pissing about with piddly bids our terms or nowt .
Simple really
Post by: D15TIN on July 20, 2018, 09:19:46 PM
Post by: sam of the south on July 20, 2018, 09:20:47 PM
You mean "wouldn't" ... - I hope that clarifies matters.
Donald Trump concurs
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 20, 2018, 09:21:03 PM
But that doesn't make a statement that he's ours does it. it's like asking a woman if she'd sleep with a man for £10,000 and she says no chance but she would for £10m. She's basically a hooker for sale, the only thing to determine is the price.
I’d sleep with a man for 10 million.
Post by: sam of the south on July 20, 2018, 09:22:40 PM
I’d sleep with a man for 10 million.
*gets out chequebook*
Post by: D15TIN on July 20, 2018, 09:29:59 PM
Post by: blargins on July 20, 2018, 09:33:54 PM
Anyone know if Lookman has travelled?
Only when he plays basketball.
Post by: Macca77 on July 20, 2018, 09:41:41 PM
Anyone know if Lookman has travelled?
The usual scaremongers on twitter are saying he hasn't
Post by: Redartin on July 20, 2018, 09:43:47 PM
I’d sleep with a man for 10 million.There are some on here who would suck Marcel & Marco's testicles for free.
Post by: sam of the south on July 20, 2018, 09:47:08 PM
There are some on here who would suck Marcel & Marco's testicles for free.
My sexual devotion to Marcel is pending
Post by: D15TIN on July 20, 2018, 10:00:15 PM
Post by: blue slug on July 20, 2018, 10:07:27 PM
he hasn't travelled
Not a good sign that then
Post by: Redartin on July 20, 2018, 10:13:38 PM
Not a good sign that thenSoft tissue injury.
Ah remember those days.
Post by: Macca77 on July 20, 2018, 10:14:36 PM
Soft tissue injury.
Ah remember those days.
Code for - he's off
Post by: Audrey Horne on July 20, 2018, 10:16:23 PM
Post by: Lincs Toffee on July 20, 2018, 10:17:39 PM
Post by: brap2 on July 20, 2018, 10:23:03 PM
Gutted and now I’m part of @brap2 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=666) flapper gang
Come on in and take a seat. The Lookman fume is at 17.01 when I get out of work, get your placards from the man at the door. thank you
Post by: blue slug on July 20, 2018, 10:28:51 PM
Post by: Lxxx on July 20, 2018, 10:30:00 PM
Post by: Macca77 on July 20, 2018, 10:35:25 PM
Post by: sam of the south on July 20, 2018, 11:16:54 PM
I’m blaming walrus head for this.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 20, 2018, 11:20:09 PM
I can accept he wants to leave which makes it very difficult to keep him but I think when we revisit the price this time next year it will show we’ve been done on price (if it’s close to what’s being reported)
It seems we’ve gone from a ridiculous position of getting no value on buys because we won’t tske no for an answer to getting no value on sales because we are weak as piss
Post by: D15TIN on July 20, 2018, 11:23:16 PM
Oh fuck off.He'd defo still be here next season had we not loaned him out.
I’m blaming walrus head for this.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 20, 2018, 11:32:01 PM
He'd defo still be here next season had we not loaned him out.
He’d still be here had we loaned him out to a side without more appeal than us.
Post by: brap2 on July 20, 2018, 11:32:46 PM
He'd defo still be here next season had we not loaned him out.
Like letting your bird go on holiday with notorious cocksman Mandingo, only to be surprised she’s not that into it when you get her back to your ma’s box room a fortnight later.
Post by: plumber on July 20, 2018, 11:38:29 PM
Oh fuck off.
I’m blaming walrus head for this.
It's nonsense.
If we sell lookman the current manager and DOF take the blame or the credit on the price.
Absolutely. If Lookman is leaving, it means Silva doesn't rate him.
I don't even think it's difficult to keep him. It's not like Barcelona are after him.
It's a nothing club made to sell an energy drink.
Post by: sam of the south on July 20, 2018, 11:44:48 PM
It's nonsense.
Absolutely. If Lookman is leaving, it means Silva doesn't rate him.
I don't even think it's difficult to keep him. It's not like Barcelona are after him.
It's a nothing club made to sell an energy drink.
It’s not nonsense.
If he hadn’t gone on loan he wouldn’t have felt unwanted here, and he wouldn’t have become enamoured with them or vice versa.
Post by: School of Science on July 20, 2018, 11:50:42 PM
It's nonsense.
Absolutely. If Lookman is leaving, it means Silva doesn't rate him.
I don't even think it's difficult to keep him. It's not like Barcelona are after him.
It's a nothing club made to sell an energy drink.
He's done well there, he will get a hefty pay rise, his head has probably been turned and if I'm not mistaken Leipzig play in the champions league next year.
Post by: Escla on July 20, 2018, 11:50:56 PM
he hasn't travelled
Says who ?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 20, 2018, 11:54:10 PM
It’s not nonsense.
If he hadn’t gone on loan he wouldn’t have felt unwanted here, and he wouldn’t have become enamoured with them or vice versa.
We sent a young player out on loan. How does that ever mean he’s unwanted. We sure as hell shouldn’t have sent him to a team who are currently better than us though. Beyond that if we don’t get a good price it’s on the people who currently make the decisions not the previous lot
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 20, 2018, 11:54:34 PM
He's done well there, he will get a hefty pay rise, his head has probably been turned and if I'm not mistaken Leipzig play in the champions league next year.
Europa
Post by: brap2 on July 20, 2018, 11:54:58 PM
Says who ?
Yeah I can’t see it anywhere.
Sure I saw an article this morning saying silva was going to use him this weekend.
I really can’t see silva and brands being into selling him and I’d be very gutted.
Post by: Evertonian in NC on July 20, 2018, 11:57:32 PM
Yeah I can’t see it anywhere.
Sure I saw an article this morning saying silva was going to use him this weekend.
I really can’t see silva and brands being into selling him and I’d be very gutted.
Doubly gutted since the quoted prices look at least 50% of what seems equitable to me.
Post by: sam of the south on July 21, 2018, 12:02:04 AM
We sent a young player out on loan. How does that ever mean he’s unwanted. We sure as hell shouldn’t have sent him to a team who are currently better than us though. Beyond that if we don’t get a good price it’s on the people who currently make the decisions not the previous lot
Because he clearly deserved to be in the squad at least with the appalling Bolasie blocking his path, anyone could see that, particularly after he made an impact in the derby.
But you crack on defending Allardyce 👌🏼
Post by: School of Science on July 21, 2018, 12:02:31 AM
Europa
Are you sure of that pal,I've just googled it and Leipzig finished second in their league ( Daily Mail ) and have qualified for the CL. Though there could be a problem which UEFA are looking into as Red Bull Salzburg won their league. They are both owned by the same owners.
Post by: Normm on July 21, 2018, 12:08:19 AM
RB Leipzig were due to watch Lookman at Gigg Lane in midweek after requesting a ticket for one of their scouts but Silva was not willing to risk the attacker ahead of back-to-back games in Portugal this weekend.' L Echo
“I'm pleased with the way he is working and I am sure – I am sure – he will improve more and more and more,” Silva added.
“He is our player, I am happy with his behaviour, how he is in training and I am sure about his skills and his ability and I am sure he will improve more.”
So, Lookman should be with the squad in Portugal, if he's not injured. I can't believe the Blues would sell one of our most promising talents.
Post by: Escla on July 21, 2018, 12:09:17 AM
Post by: blue slug on July 21, 2018, 12:10:10 AM
It’s because he (like 70% of the sqaud) didn’t appear in the photos on the O.S. Of the team leavin Liverpool.
Put my mind at ease
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 21, 2018, 12:10:49 AM
Because he clearly deserved to be in the squad at least with the appalling Bolasie blocking his path, anyone could see that, particularly after he made an impact in the derby.
But you crack on defending Allardyce 👌🏼
He went on a short term loan. He hasn’t been mistreated by anyone
Post by: eugene on July 21, 2018, 12:11:06 AM
Perhaps he is moving from potential. Still want him to stay and see if he can be consistent in the prem for us.Never had the chance
Post by: Escla on July 21, 2018, 12:11:49 AM
Doubly gutted since the quoted prices look at least 50% of what seems equitable to me.
What quoted prices ? Oh....the rumoured prices on assorted social media... don’t take much notice of that stuff me.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 21, 2018, 12:13:07 AM
Are you sure of that pal,I've just googled it and Leipzig finished second in their league ( Daily Mail ) and have qualified for the CL. Though there could be a problem which UEFA are looking into as Red Bull Salzburg won their league. They are both owned by the same owners.
They finished 6th. Were second the year before
Post by: Evertonian in NC on July 21, 2018, 12:13:47 AM
What quoted prices ? Oh....the rumoured prices on assorted social media... don’t take much notice of that stuff me.
And what Leipzig keep bidding, as if they might be circling a target. Never hear a sniff of a proper valuation. Agree all just paper talk so far, and hopefully fuckall behind it. He's worth 40m, minimum.
Post by: School of Science on July 21, 2018, 12:14:29 AM
They finished 6th. Were second the year before
Well that's google for ya a year behind the times.
Post by: sam of the south on July 21, 2018, 12:22:03 AM
He went on a short term loan. He hasn’t been mistreated by anyone
You love making out that those in opposition to your views have used overly dramatic language, don’t you 😂
He was/is a highly promising young player, Allardyce didn’t play him even though there was only Bolasie in his way, he then allowed him to go on loan, then publicly criticised him for insisting he got the particular loan he wanted.
Post by: Escla on July 21, 2018, 12:24:50 AM
And what Leipzig keep bidding, as if they might be circling a target. Never hear a sniff of a proper valuation. Agree all just paper talk so far, and hopefully fuckall behind it. He's worth 40m, minimum.
Minimum 40 million is really getting a bit carried away , so if 40 is the minimum what’s your actual valuation, 50, 60 ? For a 20 year old as yet unproven prospect ?
Post by: blue slug on July 21, 2018, 12:26:43 AM
Minimum 40 million is really getting a bit carried away , so if 40 is the minimum what’s your actual valuation, 50, 60 ? For a 20 year old as yet unproven prospect ?
If we’re going to pay 50 for richarlison then yeah 40 is a good place to start
Post by: Martip on July 21, 2018, 12:27:02 AM
Post by: Audrey Horne on July 21, 2018, 12:27:28 AM
I lookman is sold for 20m and we buy richarlison for 40m I propose a group sell harming session outside Goodison.
ugh
Post by: Macca77 on July 21, 2018, 12:29:41 AM
You love making out that those in opposition to your views have used overly dramatic language, don’t you 😂
He was/is a highly promising young player, Allardyce didn’t play him even though there was only Bolasie in his way, he then allowed him to go on loan, then publicly criticised him for insisting he got the particular loan he wanted.
Yep, treated him appallingly
Post by: Cozzie on July 21, 2018, 12:29:47 AM
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 21, 2018, 12:30:17 AM
You love making out that those in opposition to your views have used overly dramatic language, don’t you 😂
He was/is a highly promising young player, Allardyce didn’t play him even though there was only Bolasie in his way, he then allowed him to go on loan, then publicly criticised him for insisting he got the particular loan he wanted.
Unsworth didn’t play him either. His manager for the u23s. Why aren’t we blaming him
Post by: Macca77 on July 21, 2018, 12:32:17 AM
Post by: Ross on July 21, 2018, 12:38:44 AM
Unsworth didn’t play him either. His manager for the u23s. Why aren’t we blaming him
Played in 5 of Unsworths 8 games.
Post by: sam of the south on July 21, 2018, 12:39:02 AM
Unsworth didn’t play him either. His manager for the u23s. Why aren’t we blaming him
This proves that you reject any criticism of Allardyce at any cost😂
Unsworth didn’t send him on loan, nor did he dis him publicly. Unsworth was also the caretaker manager of a relegation-threatened side with no confidence.
Allardyce was a highly experienced manager, and his new manager bounce/pragmatic approach ensured that the side he managed were safe as houses, so playing young, expressive players held none of the trepidation that it did for Unsworth.
Post by: dunkster on July 21, 2018, 12:40:19 AM
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 21, 2018, 12:42:26 AM
This proves that you reject any criticism of Allardyce at any cost😂
Unsworth didn’t send him on loan, nor did he dis him publicly. Unsworth was also the caretaker manager of a relegation-threatened side with no confidence.
Allardyce was a highly experienced manager, and his new manager bounce/pragmatic approach ensured that the side he managed were safe as houses, so playing young, expressive players held none of the trepidation that it did for Unsworth.
It really doesn’t. I’m delighted allardyce is gone. It got to the stage where he was picking sides purely based on trying to survive. The football was shite and the atmosphere was toxic
I’m just not having that a young player being sent on a short term loan is dreadful treatment. He wasn’t in the managers plans and got an extremely good loan instead. He wasn’t badly treated by anyone.
Post by: howard1334 on July 21, 2018, 12:43:58 AM
Unsworth didn’t play him either. His manager for the u23s. Why aren’t we blaming him
First, that is actually a debatable claim. Over the course of the eight games Unsworth was in charge, he started Lookman twice and subbed him on four times. Second, regardless of the merit of your point, why the fuck are you still going out of your way to defend Allardyce? Are you his son? Is he blackmailing you?
Post by: dunkster on July 21, 2018, 12:44:26 AM
It really doesn’t. I’m delighted allardyce is gone. It got to the stage where he was picking sides purely based on trying to survive. The football was shite and the atmosphere was toxic
I’m just not having that a young player being sent on a short term loan is dreadful treatment. He wasn’t in the managers plans and got an extremely good loan instead. He wasn’t badly treated by anyone.
Glad allardyce is gone? Pretty sure you were one of the fans who wanted him to stay
Post by: howard1334 on July 21, 2018, 12:44:40 AM
It really doesn’t. I’m delighted allardyce is gone. It got to the stage where he was picking sides purely based on trying to survive. The football was shite and the atmosphere was toxic
I’m just not having that a young player being sent on a short term loan is dreadful treatment. He wasn’t in the managers plans and got an extremely good loan instead. He wasn’t badly treated by anyone.
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Post by: dunkster on July 21, 2018, 12:45:38 AM
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 21, 2018, 12:46:04 AM
First, that is actually a debatable claim. Over the course of the eight games Unsworth was in charge, he started Lookman twice and subbed him on four times. Second, regardless of the merit of your point, why the fuck are you still going out of your way to defend Allardyce? Are you his son? Is he blackmailing you?
I’m really not defending him. I don’t think anyone at Everton has done anything wrong in terms of the treatment of lookman. He wasn’t in a managers plans over a few months. That’s not dreadful treatment. It might be the wrong decision but he wasn’t treated badly
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 21, 2018, 12:48:33 AM
Glad allardyce is gone? Pretty sure you were one of the fans who wanted him to stay
I actually said he’d done an okay job and didn’t especially deserve to be sacked without a great replacement being in the pipeline
It did get worse from there when he openly said he didn’t give players minutes in meaningless games because he was concerned about his job (more than the club) and entered into battle with the fans through the media
Post by: sam of the south on July 21, 2018, 12:50:09 AM
It really doesn’t. I’m delighted allardyce is gone. It got to the stage where he was picking sides purely based on trying to survive. The football was shite and the atmosphere was toxic
I’m just not having that a young player being sent on a short term loan is dreadful treatment. He wasn’t in the managers plans and got an extremely good loan instead. He wasn’t badly treated by anyone.
Again, I haven’t used the terms “mistreated”, “dreadful treatment”, or “badly treated” 😂
It sounds like you’re talking about a tortured dog 😳
Mate, that “extremely good loan” you mention was because Lookman wanted it after rejecting the Derby one that good old Walsh had arranged, and then he was publicly dissed by Allardyce for doing so!
What a prick that man is!😂
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 21, 2018, 12:51:44 AM
Again, I haven’t used the terms “mistreated”, “dreadful treatment”, or “badly treated” 😂
It sounds like you’re talking about a tortured dog 😳
Mate, that “extremely good loan” you mention was because Lookman wanted it after rejecting the Derby one that good old Walsh had arranged, and then he was publicly dissed by Allardyce for doing so!
What a prick that man is!😂
If he’d gone to derby he wouldn’t have had his head turned
Post by: sam of the south on July 21, 2018, 12:53:16 AM
If he’d gone to derby he wouldn’t have had his head turned
You really are hilariously bad today 😂
Post by: howard1334 on July 21, 2018, 01:00:46 AM
You really are hilariously bad today 😂
This is just the topic that he has decided to dig his heals in on, and pick fights over, more than any other. Not only refuses to acknowledge any fault on Allardyce's part in his handling of Lookman, but goes out of his way to make that point all the time. It's truly crazy.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 21, 2018, 01:02:46 AM
You really are hilariously bad today 😂
Surely it’s common sense that you don’t loan players you might want to keep to better teams
Post by: Martip on July 21, 2018, 01:04:35 AM
Post by: sam of the south on July 21, 2018, 01:05:26 AM
Surely it’s common sense that you don’t loan players you might want to keep to better teams
😂
Post by: Evertonian in NC on July 21, 2018, 01:10:18 AM
Remember when Romelu Lukaku told Chelsea he wanted a transfer to Everton, and ONLY Everton?
Post by: Evertonian in NC on July 21, 2018, 01:11:39 AM
Not a big fan of Fat Sams handling of Lookman. It was the publicly slating him that got on my tits.
He slagged him in the papers after the loan, even after he was playing well. No wonder Mola had a bad taste in his mouth, even after the regime change.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 21, 2018, 01:12:42 AM
You send out a talented young player on loan, when he's really good enough to play for you, it can bite you in the ass.
Remember when Romelu Lukaku told Chelsea he wanted a transfer to Everton, and ONLY Everton?
That didn’t happen. He dragged signing for us out hoping for something better. You’re very naive if you think lukaku would have only signed for everton. He spent every international break since talking about leaving
Post by: howard1334 on July 21, 2018, 01:16:20 AM
Post by: Evertonian in NC on July 21, 2018, 01:27:29 AM
He slagged him in the papers after the loan, even after he was playing well. No wonder Mola had a bad taste in his mouth, even after the regime change.
No, I remember specifically Chelsea preferring to deal him outside of the Prem, but Rom dug in and insisted on us. The issue became whether we would seriously come up with the moneys.
Post by: blue slug on July 21, 2018, 01:28:30 AM
Surely it’s common sense that you don’t loan players you might want to keep to better teams
This just doesn’t make sense
Post by: GLewis on July 21, 2018, 01:50:58 AM
This just doesn’t make sense
He means that it wasn’t a good idea to loan him to a decent team.
If Lookman had gone to derby it’s very unlikely that he’d be angling for a move there this summer.
I said this at the time that Lookman insisting on a move there was being selfish - understandable as it’s a good place to play - but it was done with not being here in mind.
A symptom of how miserable most of the last few years have been is that nearly everyone is blaming all parties bar the player, whereas normally it’s the other way round.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 21, 2018, 01:57:06 AM
He means that it wasn’t a good idea to loan him to a decent team.
If Lookman had gone to derby it’s very unlikely that he’d be angling for a move there this summer.
I said this at the time that Lookman insisting on a move there was being selfish - understandable as it’s a good place to play - but it was done with not being here in mind.
A symptom of how miserable most of the last few years have been is that nearly everyone is blaming all parties bar the player, whereas normally it’s the other way round.
Exactly. A player we want to keep looking like pushing his way out on the cheap and everyone thinks he’s the 1 that’s been wronged
Post by: burkey17 on July 21, 2018, 02:08:21 AM
has said is the reason Lookman has not travelled. Walcott (ankle) and Bolasie (stomach bug) and Martina (stomach bug) have not travelled as well
Post by: Confucius on July 21, 2018, 02:16:26 AM
Post by: colin on July 21, 2018, 02:29:49 AM
I don't think Lookman is all that and if we can get a good fee we should let him go. His shoting is terrible, crossing horrible. has some pace and skill but not sure he knows what to do with it. Sure he is young and has potential. But sometimes 20M isn't to be sniffed at. look at the potential Rodwell and Barkley had.
I wonder what will happen with Barkley's career. Back to us in a few years? Slowly slide down the table?
Post by: Bluedylan on July 21, 2018, 02:44:23 AM
Post by: brap2 on July 21, 2018, 02:52:42 AM
He means that it wasn’t a good idea to loan him to a decent team.
If Lookman had gone to derby it’s very unlikely that he’d be angling for a move there this summer.
I said this at the time that Lookman insisting on a move there was being selfish - understandable as it’s a good place to play - but it was done with not being here in mind.
A symptom of how miserable most of the last few years have been is that nearly everyone is blaming all parties bar the player, whereas normally it’s the other way round.
Can only speak for myself but I’ve often (not always - lukaku) been able to convince myself that we had a reason for them to stay - squad or coming top 5/6/7 - essentially I’ve felt we’ve been in fairly positive positions and like most football fans I’ve ‘believed in the project’ - we’re on the cusp of that again I hope but we haven’t quite done enough and I’ve been so brow beaten over the last few years that instead of feeling betrayed by the player I feel let down by the club?
Wouldn’t be surprised if this is what others are feeling.
Post by: howard1334 on July 21, 2018, 02:57:34 AM
He means that it wasn’t a good idea to loan him to a decent team.
If Lookman had gone to derby it’s very unlikely that he’d be angling for a move there this summer.
I said this at the time that Lookman insisting on a move there was being selfish - understandable as it’s a good place to play - but it was done with not being here in mind.
A symptom of how miserable most of the last few years have been is that nearly everyone is blaming all parties bar the player, whereas normally it’s the other way round.
What was stupid was loaning him out at all. Not loaning him to Leipzig. If we had kept and played him last season, then he would not be looking to leave now. And I seriously doubt that sending him to Derby would have improved the situation. No way that Lookman would have been happy going there -- he knew he was above that level, which he certainly proved at RB Leipzig.
Let's stop putting the fucking blame on Lookman, when he was just trying to make the best out of a shitty situation that was not of his own creation. It's seriously ridiculous. The blame rests, rather, with Allardyce, Walsh, and the rest of management. And, similarly, it will be management's fault this summer -- not Lookman's -- if we end up selling him when we don't need to.
People are acting like Lookman has kicked up some big, public fuss in the media, which is simply not the case. He has been professional about this whole situation from the get go -- erring his (exceedingly reasonable) concerns in private, as professionals should. It's Allardyce and Leipzig's management that have made shit public.
Post by: Escla on July 21, 2018, 03:01:59 AM
If lookman is sold for 20m and we buy richarlison for 40m I propose a group self harming session outside Goodison.
You just go ahead son, we will all be right behind you !
(Not)
Post by: GLewis on July 21, 2018, 03:04:53 AM
What was stupid was loaning him out at all. Not loaning him to Leipzig. If we had kept him last season and played him, then he would not be looking to leave now. And I doubt sending him to Derby would have improved the situation. No way that Lookman would have been happy going there -- he knew he was above that level, which he certainly proved at RB Leipzig.
Let's stop putting the fucking blame on Lookman, when he was just trying to make the best out of a shitty situation that was not of his own creation. It's seriously ridiculous. The blame rests, rather, with Allardyce, Walsh, and the rest of management. And it will be management's fault this summer if we end up selling him when we don't need to.
So one manager, who’s not here nor the DoF, loaned him out and that’s it?
He’s a young player who up until the last few games of his loan spell, where he did very well, hadnt done that much.
He at least shares a very big chunk of the blame if he’s insisting on leaving now.
Post by: Escla on July 21, 2018, 03:06:24 AM
If we’re going to pay 50 for richarlison then yeah 40 is a good place to start
Where do you get that info from About paying 50m for Richarlison from ? Moshiri, Kenwright ? Silva ?
or some hack on the MIRROR ?
Post by: GLewis on July 21, 2018, 03:07:10 AM
Can only speak for myself but I’ve often (not always - lukaku) been able to convince myself that we had a reason for them to stay - squad or coming top 5/6/7 - essentially I’ve felt we’ve been in fairly positive positions and like most football fans I’ve ‘believed in the project’ - we’re on the cusp of that again I hope but we haven’t quite done enough and I’ve been so brow beaten over the last few years that instead of feeling betrayed by the player I feel let down by the club?
Wouldn’t be surprised if this is what others are feeling.
Yes that’s what I mean.
Don’t think it’s commensurate though as he’s barely done anything for us (unlike most other players who got slated).
Post by: howard1334 on July 21, 2018, 03:07:50 AM
So one manager, who’s not here nor the DoF, loaned him out and that’s it?
He’s a young player who up until the last few games of his loan spell, where he did very well, hadnt done that much.
He at least shares a very big chunk of the blame if he’s insisting on leaving now.
See my edited post above, which responds in part to this.
I'd also note that if I were Lookman, I would want to play for RB Leipzig over us too. It's on our management to convince him he should *want* to stay. As long as Lookman does not take shit public or refuse to train, then I have no problem with his behavior whatsoever.
Post by: Bluedylan on July 21, 2018, 03:08:55 AM
So one manager, who’s not here nor the DoF, loaned him out and that’s it?
He’s a young player who up until the last few games of his loan spell, where he did very well, hadnt done that much.
He at least shares a very big chunk of the blame if he’s insisting on leaving now.
D’you not think there’s an element of him being a young kid, away from home, we had three managers, including an anti-football presence and we messed him about and mishandled him a bit?
Just think if the situation was better managed by the club, it would never have got to this stage.
Post by: colin on July 21, 2018, 03:09:30 AM
Post by: GLewis on July 21, 2018, 03:12:19 AM
D’you not think there’s an element of him being a young kid, away from home, we had three managers, including an anti-football presence and we messed him about and mishandled him a bit?
Just think if the situation was better managed by the club, it would never have got to this stage.
A bit but everyone has gone.
He got moaned at by Allardyce after he had pushed through the move to Leipzig so he’d already decided he wanted that move.
Did say I can see why he’d go there - but I can also see why all players who have left us over the years did so.
More like, as @brap2 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=666) comment that it’s other factors that have people moaning at the club, rather than the player.
Post by: GLewis on July 21, 2018, 03:14:02 AM
See my edited post above, which responds in part to this.
I'd also note that if I were Lookman, I would want to play for RB Leipzig over us too. It's on our management to convince him he should *want* to stay. As long as Lookman does not take shit public or refuse to train, then I have no problem with his behavior whatsoever.
Yeah I’m not slagging him off - if he wants to go then fine.
But he does want to go, he’s not being forced out.
Post by: Bluedylan on July 21, 2018, 03:18:09 AM
A bit but everyone has gone.
He got moaned at by Allardyce after he had pushed through the move to Leipzig so he’d already decided he wanted that move.
Did say I can see why he’d go there - but I can also see why all players who have left us over the years did so.
More like, as @brap2 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=666) comment that it’s other factors that have people moaning at the club, rather than the player.
Still hopeful Silva and Brands won’t let him have his own way and get him back on side with a bit more support and development than he’s had previously.
I take your points but I reckon his footballing experience at Everton has been pretty poor and he’s had no reason to feel attached to us, the way we’ve handled him.
Post by: brap2 on July 21, 2018, 03:19:14 AM
Yes that’s what I mean.
Don’t think it’s commensurate though as he’s barely done anything for us (unlike most other players who got slated).
Yeah don’t want to get into it re: Barkley for us and how he was perceived and treated compared to others, but this feels kess like beings betrayed and more like being denied.
Post by: Juanito on July 21, 2018, 03:19:25 AM
You send out a talented young player on loan, when he's really good enough to play for you, it can bite you in the ass.
Remember when Romelu Lukaku told Chelsea he wanted a transfer to Everton, and ONLY Everton?
Spot on. He should have played (last game the Derby?) here instead of watching Bolasie’s embarrassing performances. Such poor management by that Archaic Narcissistic Twat.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 21, 2018, 03:24:46 AM
See my edited post above, which responds in part to this.
I'd also note that if I were Lookman, I would want to play for RB Leipzig over us too. It's on our management to convince him he should *want* to stay. As long as Lookman does not take shit public or refuse to train, then I have no problem with his behavior whatsoever.
If he doesn't misbehave and we still sell him then how is it on what's gone on previously? It's a decision of the new manager and dof and they haven't been forced into it
Post by: GLewis on July 21, 2018, 03:25:51 AM
Yeah don’t want to get into it re: Barkley for us and how he was perceived and treated compared to others, but this feels kess like beings betrayed and more like being denied.
Yeah and I think that’s because he’s not actually done anything.
A bit paradoxical that you get “let off” being hammered because you’re bailing out before actually contributing ;)
Post by: Juanito on July 21, 2018, 03:37:54 AM
Post by: Audrey Horne on July 21, 2018, 03:39:01 AM
This kid can finish and like Richarlison and Walcott, can play as a second striker. I want these three up top, inter changing, causing havoc with pace and guile. Tosun can be a sub.
Wut?
Post by: brap2 on July 21, 2018, 03:41:29 AM
So we'll need to sign another winger if he goes or we'll stick with Mirallas and Bolasie as the backups?
Not heard the news lad? Getting richarlison for a billion pesos
Post by: howard1334 on July 21, 2018, 03:41:45 AM
Yeah and I think that’s because he’s not actually done anything.
A bit paradoxical that you get “let off” being hammered because you’re bailing out before actually contributing ;)
Yeah, I don't think that really gets to the heart of why Lookman would be let off as compared to Barkley. Barkley was a boyhood blue that played for us for several years. And then he refused to go to Chelsea in the Fall, costing us millions of pounds, which is what really pissed me off. Some serious differences.
Post by: brap2 on July 21, 2018, 03:42:38 AM
Yeah and I think that’s because he’s not actually done anything.
A bit paradoxical that you get “let off” being hammered because you’re bailing out before actually contributing ;)
Yeah but surely you know by now the best way to raise your profile with Everton fans is to not get played.
Post by: howard1334 on July 21, 2018, 03:42:39 AM
If he doesn't misbehave and we still sell him then how is it on what's gone on previously? It's a decision of the new manager and dof and they haven't been forced into it
Holy shit. You will rationalize anything haha.
Post by: Gash on July 21, 2018, 03:46:09 AM
As someone said, he's no connection with us so I wouldn't expect him to show any loyalty and if he wants to go let him go and we'll move on, it won't be a disaster if we do get rid of him.
Post by: GLewis on July 21, 2018, 03:46:47 AM
Yeah, I don't think that really gets to the heart of why Lookman would be let off as compared to Barkley. Barkley was a boyhood blue that played for us for several years. And then he refused to go to Chelsea in the Fall, costing us millions of pounds, which is what really pissed me off. Some serious differences.
Yeah the Barkley one is different - plenty of other examples (unfortunately).
Post by: Juanito on July 21, 2018, 03:48:42 AM
Wut?
Barcelona were the first side I saw play 3 false 9’s and destroy teams. Then Man United with Tevez, Rooney and Ronaldo and now, unfortunately, Liverpool destroy teams with it. Tosun is good but quite predictable and not the quickest.
Richarlison Walcott Lookman is what I would like to see in a front 3 with Sigurdsson as one of the 3 behind.
http://www.thefalse9.com/2013/09/football-tactics-for-beginnersthe-false.html
Come on, you know it makes sense.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 21, 2018, 03:51:29 AM
Holy shit. You will rationalize anything haha.
Well if there’s nothing wrong with his behaviour then there’s absolutely no reason to sell him. How is that wrong. That seems logical.
Post by: Martip on July 21, 2018, 03:51:50 AM
Barcelona were the first side I saw play 3 false 9’s and destroy teams. Then Man United with Tevez, Rooney and Ronaldo and now, unfortunately, Liverpool destroy teams with it. Tosun is good but quite predictable and not the quickest.You just know the ball would keep coming back If we played that.
Richarlison Walcott Lookman is what I would like to see in a front 3 with Sigurdsson as one of the 3 behind.
http://www.thefalse9.com/2013/09/football-tactics-for-beginnersthe-false.html
Come on, you know it makes sense.
Post by: howard1334 on July 21, 2018, 03:53:54 AM
Well if there’s nothing wrong with his behaviour then there’s absolutely no reason to sell him. How is that wrong. That seems logical.
That is such a simplistic analysis. A player can want to leave, express that desire professionally, and the management can conclude that it is better to honor that request than have a player be at the club that does not want to be there.
Post by: Goaljira on July 21, 2018, 03:54:30 AM
So we'll need to sign another winger if he goes or we'll stick with Mirallas and Bolasie as the backups?
Why do you think Martina has been playing advanced in pre-season?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 21, 2018, 03:55:36 AM
That is such a simplistic analysis. A player can want to leave, express that desire professionally, and the management can conclude that it is best to honor that request than have a player be at the club that does not want to be there.
Well so long as he’ll behave professionally after being told no then we should tell him no. Not like it’s a massive fee
Post by: howard1334 on July 21, 2018, 03:59:52 AM
Well so long as he’ll behave professionally after being told no then we should tell him no. Not like it’s a massive fee
I agree with you! I think we should refuse to sell. And if we do, then I'll blame *both* Allardyce and Co. for refusing to play him and unsettling him, and our current management for unnecessarily giving in to his request.
Post by: GLewis on July 21, 2018, 04:02:56 AM
Barcelona were the first side I saw play 3 false 9’s and destroy teams. Then Man United with Tevez, Rooney and Ronaldo and now, unfortunately, Liverpool destroy teams with it. Tosun is good but quite predictable and not the quickest.
Richarlison Walcott Lookman is what I would like to see in a front 3 with Sigurdsson as one of the 3 behind.
http://www.thefalse9.com/2013/09/football-tactics-for-beginnersthe-false.html
Come on, you know it makes sense.
Not impossible.
Big difference with Barça players. Utd were all physical too.
They’re doing a good job with it though.
Post by: Juanito on July 21, 2018, 04:12:14 AM
You just know the ball would keep coming back If we played that.
Im not sure. Through balls, in the channels, on the counter. I think it could work but see your point.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 21, 2018, 04:13:00 AM
I agree with you! I think we should refuse to sell. And if we do, then I'll blame *both* Allardyce and Co. for refusing to play him and unsettling him, and our current management for unnecessarily giving in to his request.
See I agree with that. Not think any of us were in favour of him going anywhere on loan originally. Turns out we are kindred spirits
Post by: Juanito on July 21, 2018, 12:20:19 PM
Not impossible.
Big difference with Barça players. Utd were all physical too.
They’re doing a good job with it though.
Good point on the physicality of the Unite 3. I have seen Walcott play through the middle and do ok and also see that Richarlison has the attributes to do it. So, I think it could work and is what I want to see as an alternative to a target man.
Post by: GLewis on July 21, 2018, 12:50:29 PM
Good point on the physicality of the Unite 3. I have seen Walcott play through the middle and do ok and also see that Richarlison has the attributes to do it. So, I think it could work and is what I want to see as an alternative to a target man.
I think all three examples that you mention dominate the play generally, or certainly look to be on the front foot all the time.
You couldn’t leave a big gap too often between the midfield and the attack.
Post by: penguinofdoom1878 on July 21, 2018, 12:53:48 PM
Why do you think Martina has been playing advanced in pre-season?
so what you're saying is Marco Silva is just a modern day Walter Smith ;)
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on July 21, 2018, 02:01:24 PM
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Post by: TheRam on July 21, 2018, 03:44:04 PM
Sounds like the agent and/or Lookman are making all the right noises to Leipzig.
Signing a player for big money in his position isn’t helping our cause.
Obviously we needed to strengthen that area of the pitch, but it shows we can’t really offer him anything RB can’t.
Really do hope we keep him but I’ve accepted that he’s probably going to leave.
Post by: Bob Sacamano on July 21, 2018, 03:45:18 PM
Signing a player for big money in his position isn’t helping our cause.
Obviously we needed to strengthen that area of the pitch, but it shows we can’t really offer him anything RB can’t.
Really do hope we keep him but I’ve accepted that he’s probably going to leave.
We could be shifting Walcott up top? I may be wrong but Silva binned Deeney for a more mobile focal point up front?
Post by: Gash on July 21, 2018, 03:51:29 PM
Signing a player for big money in his position isn’t helping our cause.
Possibly, although going by comments from Leipzig there's been interest from Lookman to go for a while now or they wouldn't be pushing as hard as they are. It's possible that we're resigned to the fact he wants to but are getting in a player before we sanction the move rather than have an unhappy player in the squad. We don't really know Lookman, the fact he already went against the club's wishes could suggest that he's a bit of a twat and we'd rather just move him on? I don't think it's as cut and dried that this is all the club's fault if he goes, the longer they chase him the more obvious it becomes that he's making plenty positive noises for them to come after him. I think he'll go but as said I don't think it'll be a disaster if he does.
Post by: Escla on July 21, 2018, 03:53:08 PM
Possibly, although going by comments from Leipzig there's been interest from Lookman to go for a while now or they wouldn't be pushing as hard as they are. It's possible that we're resigned to the fact he wants to but are getting in a player before we sanction the move rather than have an unhappy player in the squad. We don't really know Lookman, the fact he already went against the club's wishes could suggest that he's a bit of a twat and we'd rather just move him on? I don't think it's as cut and dried that this is all the club's fault if he goes, the longer they chase him the more obvious it becomes that he's making plenty positive noises for them to come after him. I think he'll go but as said I don't think it'll be a disaster if he does.
This, 100%
Post by: Lincs Toffee on July 21, 2018, 03:56:47 PM
Post by: Bally on July 21, 2018, 04:06:40 PM
If lookman is sold for 20m and we buy richarlison for 40m I propose a group self harming session outside Goodison.Either you edit it or I will, not having that at all.
Post by: Dr. Sponge on July 21, 2018, 04:55:30 PM
Post by: Sixx1402 on July 21, 2018, 05:01:02 PM
Lookman and Richarlison are basically the same player: same sort of age, play in the same position with similar attributes and have both just had very good half seasons.
IF the fees are to be believed (and I said if) then we're basically throwing £30 million away which is disgraceful.
AND Lookman is fucking English!!
Complete joke if it happens
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on July 21, 2018, 05:09:16 PM
I'm not having it.You could argue Lookman looked good at RBL because he was playing in a better team, in a poorer league.
Lookman and Richarlison are basically the same player: same sort of age, play in the same position with similar attributes and have both just had very good half seasons.
IF the fees are to be believed (and I said if) then we're basically throwing £30 million away which is disgraceful.
AND Lookman is fucking English!!
Complete joke if it happens
There just isn’t that much money in German football - no way are RBL coming in with a £30m bid. He’s got us over a barrel really.
Post by: blargins on July 21, 2018, 05:13:12 PM
You could argue Lookman looked good at RBL because he was playing in a better team, in a poorer league.He hasn’t really. He has three years left on his contract. Player power isn’t what it once was. If we’re firm and tell him to get on with it, what can he do?
There just isn't that much money in German football - no way are RBL coming in with a £30m bid. He's got us over a barrel really.
Post by: Sixx1402 on July 21, 2018, 05:14:55 PM
You could argue Lookman looked good at RBL because he was playing in a better team, in a poorer league.
There just isn’t that much money in German football - no way are RBL coming in with a £30m bid. He’s got us over a barrel really.
To be honest the German league isn't that much weaker than ours, they still have 4 or 5 very good teams compared to our 6 (hopefully 7) good teams.
And if that's the case then he has to stay. He's under contract so tough shit.
How can there be a £30 million value difference for basically the same player?!
It's fucking madness
Post by: Dr. Sponge on July 21, 2018, 05:30:15 PM
To be honest the German league isn't that much weaker than ours, they still have 4 or 5 very good teams compared to our 6 (hopefully 7) good teams.
And if that's the case then he has to stay. He's under contract so tough shit.
How can there be a £30 million value difference for basically the same player?!
It's fucking madness
Lookman has bags of potential, but if we take our Evertonian specs off for a moment then Richarlson is the better player. Not £30 million better, but better.
Post by: blargins on July 21, 2018, 05:36:34 PM
Post by: Escla on July 21, 2018, 05:37:04 PM
I'm not having it.
Lookman and Richarlison are basically the same player: same sort of age, play in the same position with similar attributes and have both just had very good half seasons.
IF the fees are to be believed (and I said if) then we're basically throwing £30 million away which is disgraceful.
AND Lookman is fucking English!!
Complete joke if it happens
Glad you qualified that fee with a big IF ! Majority of flappers on here taking 50 mil as gospel, will probably be 60 by the end of the day.
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on July 21, 2018, 05:42:38 PM
To be honest the German league isn't that much weaker than ours, they still have 4 or 5 very good teams compared to our 6 (hopefully 7) good teams.Kolasinac, Goretzka and Meyer have all left Shalke (who finished 2nd last year) on free transfers recently, as they cant afford to pay them a competitive wage.
And if that's the case then he has to stay. He's under contract so tough shit.
How can there be a £30 million value difference for basically the same player?!
It's fucking madness
But that’s an argument for another day.
Back on topic: Lookman is a snake lol.
Post by: Sixx1402 on July 21, 2018, 05:50:01 PM
Where is this 30 million difference coming from? Richarlison price is 35 million.
Where have you read that sir? All I've seen is £50 million including add ons?
And I don't give a fuck if it's add ons or not, if that's the case Lookman fee should be about the same, that's my opinion
Post by: Sixx1402 on July 21, 2018, 05:51:17 PM
Lookman has bags of potential, but if we take our Evertonian specs off for a moment then Richarlson is the better player. Not £30 million better, but better.
Yes maybe a bit better but like you say not £30 mill better. And Lookman is English
Post by: brap2 on July 21, 2018, 05:53:52 PM
Back on topic: Lookman is a snake lol.
@GLewis (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=258) likes this
Post by: Sixx1402 on July 21, 2018, 05:54:33 PM
Glad you qualified that fee with a big IF ! Majority of flappers on here taking 50 mil as gospel, will probably be 60 by the end of the day.
I'm just going on what I've read my friend. Yes hopefully it's bollocks and the Richarlison fee is lower, in that case no problems.
I trust Silva completely but we can't be made to look like mugs again, be honest those 2 figures back to back are a joke
Post by: blargins on July 21, 2018, 05:58:23 PM
Where have you read that sir? All I've seen is £50 million including add ons?
And I don't give a fuck if it's add ons or not, if that's the case Lookman fee should be about the same, that's my opinion
And what is the selling price of Lookman? How much have we sold him for in order for any calculation to be made?
Post by: Audrey Horne on July 21, 2018, 06:06:20 PM
Post by: Sixx1402 on July 21, 2018, 06:13:14 PM
Kolasinac, Goretzka and Meyer have all left Shalke (who finished 2nd last year) on free transfers recently, as they cant afford to pay them a competitive wage.
But that’s an argument for another day.
Back on topic: Lookman is a snake lol.
Haha fair play
Have they really? I knew about Meyer but not the other 2, that Goretzka is supposed to be ace
Post by: Sixx1402 on July 21, 2018, 06:15:51 PM
And what is the selling price of Lookman? How much have we sold him for in order for any calculation to be made?
Again I'm just going on what I've read that we've set a £20 million price tag. Which is a joke.
If it's wrong then no worries, just going on what has been reported sir
Post by: blargins on July 21, 2018, 06:18:23 PM
Again I'm just going on what I've read that we've set a £20 million price tag. Which is a joke.
If it's wrong then no worries, just going on what has been reported sir
No worries. But also take into account that Richarlson is an established premier league player while Lookman is not. But I would like more than 20 million if he were sold.
Post by: Sixx1402 on July 21, 2018, 06:18:40 PM
https://twitter.com/Chris78Williams/status/1020620416807731200
How are they allowed to go spouting this shit off in the press? Surely this is classed as tapping up?
If I were Silva I'd be telling them to fucking do one
Post by: TheRam on July 21, 2018, 06:19:41 PM
Post by: blargins on July 21, 2018, 06:22:42 PM
If we do sell him you have to think we’re back in the market for another wideman?
You would hope so. It would leave us with Bolasie and Mirallas at present.
Post by: Sixx1402 on July 21, 2018, 06:23:05 PM
No worries. But also take into account that Richarlson is an established premier league player while Lookman is not. But I would like more than 20 million if he were sold.
I wouldn't go as far as to say Richarlison is an established premier league player but I've got the mumps and I'm getting a bit feverish so I must apologise if I'm getting overly annoyed
I think both fees should be no more than £10 million apart. I'd be fine with that although I'd rather Lookman stayed to be fair
Post by: blargins on July 21, 2018, 06:52:30 PM
I wouldn't go as far as to say Richarlison is an established premier league player but I've got the mumps and I'm getting a bit feverish so I must apologise if I'm getting overly annoyed
I think both fees should be no more than £10 million apart. I'd be fine with that although I'd rather Lookman stayed to be fair
If we could stretch 25 for Lookman if he is to go (would prefer him to stay) and if the fee including add ons for Richarlison is 40 mill as reported in the Telegraph, I wouldn't have a problem with that. Again that 40 is with add ons and whatever it's taken to silence Watford over Silva.
Hope you get over your mumps soon though. Never had them, but heard they're not very nice.
Post by: brap2 on July 21, 2018, 06:58:40 PM
If we do sell him you have to think we’re back in the market for another wideman?
Hope so yeah, grim feeling Kevin has a locker next year though.
Post by: TheRam on July 21, 2018, 07:00:38 PM
Hope so yeah, grim feeling Kevin has a locker next year though.
Big kev Mirallas strutting his stuff.
Can’t wait.
Post by: Sixx1402 on July 21, 2018, 07:02:29 PM
If we could stretch 25 for Lookman if he is to go (would prefer him to stay) and if the fee including add ons for Richarlison is 40 mill as reported in the Telegraph, I wouldn't have a problem with that. Again that 40 is with add ons and whatever it's taken to silence Watford over Silva.
Hope you get over your mumps soon though. Never had them, but heard they're not very nice.
Thanks and yeah they are pretty painful, my face looks like a very fat version of myself
I guess i'd be ok with that deal although like i say i'd prefer it to be about £10 million apart but that deal would be much more reasonable.
Ideally i hope we keep him though and get Richarlison for a decent fee but you don't always get what you want, i want to go out tonight but i'd scare the kids lolol
Post by: blargins on July 21, 2018, 07:04:45 PM
Thanks and yeah they are pretty painful, my face looks like a very fat version of myself
I guess i'd be ok with that deal although like i say i'd prefer it to be about £10 million apart but that deal would be much more reasonable.
Ideally i hope we keep him though and get Richarlison for a decent fee but you don't always get what you want, i want to go out tonight but i'd scare the kids lolol
Ideally Richarlison, Lookman and Walcott as our three wide men and sack Mirallas and Bolasie off. We'd need to play triangular football to fit them all in at the same time though :)
Post by: Sixx1402 on July 21, 2018, 07:07:57 PM
Ideally Richarlison, Lookman and Walcott as our three wide men and sack Mirallas and Bolasie off. We'd need to play triangular football to fit them all in at the same time though :)
Yep those 3 would be pretty good i reckon, i'd have to be chuffed with that
Can't see anyone taking Kev though, hopefully Bolasie is off to Turkey
Post by: blargins on July 21, 2018, 07:09:12 PM
Yep those 3 would be pretty good i reckon, i'd have to be chuffed with that
Can't see anyone taking Kev though, hopefully Bolasie is off to Turkey
Leicester and Palace also interested in Bolasie.
Post by: Sixx1402 on July 21, 2018, 07:27:55 PM
Leicester and Palace also interested in Bolasie.
Swap Bolasie for Saha, that's a completely fair deal................... :snigger:
Post by: blargins on July 21, 2018, 07:30:42 PM
Swap Bolasie for Saha, that's a completely fair deal................... :snigger:
I'd be up for that.
Don't think Zaha wants to come back up north though.
Post by: Sixx1402 on July 21, 2018, 07:34:57 PM
I'd be up for that.
Don't think Zaha wants to come back up north though.
Haha well i don't think Palace would be up for that either! lolol
Post by: blargins on July 21, 2018, 07:37:03 PM
Haha well i don't think Palace would be up for that either! lolol
I like Zaha, but I prefer what we'll have to be honest. Think he's a very decent player and in his prime, but the investment wouldn't be as wise as with Richarlison I think.
Post by: Sixx1402 on July 21, 2018, 07:44:01 PM
I like Zaha, but I prefer what we'll have to be honest. Think he's a very decent player and in his prime, but the investment wouldn't be as wise as with Richarlison I think.
Yeah if Richarlison is £40 mill including the add ons then yes i agree, he's 4 years younger as well
Post by: blueToffee on July 21, 2018, 07:48:14 PM
https://twitter.com/Chris78Williams/status/1020620416807731200
It’s probably the point of such statements, but I see that and I kinda want rid. Tired of negativity around the club in recent times and I want players who have a desire to be here and aren’t pulling in the same direction.
If he’s using the old “I have a slight injury” BS to not play and try and force a move...well I’ve got very little time for that behaviour from someone so young and really has done nothing.
Surprised how many are defending him. This is Mirallas part 2.
Post by: TheRam on July 21, 2018, 07:52:20 PM
It’s probably the point of such statements, but I see that and I kinda want rid. Tired of negativity around the club in recent times and I want players who have a desire to be here and aren’t pulling in the same direction.
If he’s using the old “I have a slight injury” BS to not play and try and force a move...well I’ve got very little time for that behaviour from someone so young and really has done nothing.
Surprised how many are defending him. This is Mirallas part 2.
The club haven’t exactly treated him great, have we?
We’ve hardly played him. I’m not going to be up in arms over him wanting to go to a team that made him feel wanted.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 21, 2018, 07:58:08 PM
Post by: School of Science on July 21, 2018, 07:59:01 PM
The club haven’t exactly treated him great, have we?
We’ve hardly played him. I’m not going to be up in arms over him wanting to go to a team that made him feel wanted.
Don't think that matters much myself, old managers have gone, New progressive manager and DOF in, New slate. But I think we know his head has been turned. If he goes get as much as we can for him, or one of their players if we can.
Post by: GLewis on July 21, 2018, 08:01:34 PM
It’s probably the point of such statements, but I see that and I kinda want rid. Tired of negativity around the club in recent times and I want players who have a desire to be here and aren’t pulling in the same direction.
If he’s using the old “I have a slight injury” BS to not play and try and force a move...well I’ve got very little time for that behaviour from someone so young and really has done nothing.
Surprised how many are defending him. This is Mirallas part 2.
Yes I just think there’s a limit to what we can do.
What more can we do than say you’ll be in with a shot of the first xi?
He can either believe that or not.
He can have more trust in RB as he’s played there a bit, but not that much.
Also I think there’s a lot of worry about potential loss because we don’t have that many established players who will improve.
Hopefully we’re reasonably resolute if he doesn’t really push for the move as he does have potential and isn’t expensive.
But if he doesn’t want to be here then it’s disappointing rather than a guaranteed disaster.
Post by: UnsyisaRhino on July 21, 2018, 08:02:13 PM
Post by: blueToffee on July 21, 2018, 08:05:16 PM
The club haven’t exactly treated him great, have we?
We’ve hardly played him. I’m not going to be up in arms over him wanting to go to a team that made him feel wanted.
I do appreciate that, we have to put it kindly been a work in progress since he’s been here. However, decisions have been made to address these things and we have seemed to be making overtures to him that we want him to be a part of that moving forward. This isn’t like Lukaku at Chelsea not having a route to playing regularly.
Either way, at his age to be pulling antics like this...basically it seems refusing to play doesn’t make me think much of him. Nor does it make me think he’ll be worth investing in as a player.
Post by: GLewis on July 21, 2018, 08:05:34 PM
The club haven’t exactly treated him great, have we?
We’ve hardly played him. I’m not going to be up in arms over him wanting to go to a team that made him feel wanted.
That’s fair enough.
But equally he’s never made a big case for regular starts when here.
More often than not when starting games he’s been poor and taken off early.
Has shown promise off the bench of course.
So if they’ve treated him better then fine. But we’ve not treated him badly.
Post by: van der Meyde on July 21, 2018, 08:05:59 PM
What more can we do than say you’ll be in with a shot of the first xi?Not look to spend big money on someone who plays in his position?
He can either believe that or not.
(This argument is obviously dependent on the order of events, like.)
Post by: GLewis on July 21, 2018, 08:08:16 PM
Not look to spend big money on someone who plays in his position?
(This argument is obviously dependent on the order of events, like.)
That’s normal at any decent club though.
If he thinks he’s better off at Leipzig that’s fine, but he’s not leaving an awful position here for someone with his caree to date.
Post by: Gash on July 21, 2018, 08:15:28 PM
The club haven’t exactly treated him great, have we?
We’ve hardly played him. I’m not going to be up in arms over him wanting to go to a team that made him feel wanted.
I think we need to stop blaming all this on the club, it was Allardyce that spoke out against him and didn't play him much, he's gone now.
Ultimately the club gave in and gave him the loan he wanted so they haven't exactly treated him badly, Brands rates him and apparently both him and Silva have told him they want him to be in the first team. He's a 20 year old kid, there's not that many playing every week in the Premier League anyway so he's already done fairly well although he wasn't exactly pulling up trees but I can't remember a player who has achieved so relatively little be given such a pedestal to stand on by our fans. He may well turn out to be a great player but like many before him (not just with us but in general) he could easily end up having a fairly average career. I know it's not an exact science either but for such an apparently highly rated player and our lack of a firm "hands off", there's not exactly a queue of clubs getting into a bidding war for him.
Post by: blueToffee on July 21, 2018, 08:22:23 PM
I think we need to stop blaming all this on the club, it was Allardyce that spoke out against him and didn't play him much, he's gone now.
Ultimately the club gave in and gave him the loan he wanted so they haven't exactly treated him badly, Brands rates him and apparently both him and Silva have told him they want him to be in the first team. He's a 20 year old kid, there's not that many playing every week in the Premier League anyway so he's already done fairly well although he wasn't exactly pulling up trees but I can't remember a player who has achieved so relatively little be given such a pedestal to stand on by our fans. He may well turn out to be a great player but like many before him (not just with us but in general) he could easily end up having a fairly average career. I know it's not an exact science either but for such an apparently highly rated player and our lack of a firm "hands off", there's not exactly a queue of clubs getting into a bidding war for him.
I was just going add the same thing. If Allardyce was still here, I’d have a lot more sympathy with the situation and help him pack his bags.
The club may have made a mistake with their last managerial appointment, but we’ve done all we can do to rectify things and in the mean time got him playing time and acquiesced to his demands in terms of where that was.
Post by: brap2 on July 21, 2018, 08:39:27 PM
Post by: Redartin on July 21, 2018, 08:45:06 PM
lBrands rates him and apparently both him and Silva have told him they want him to be in the first team.
As in first eleven? Or on the bench with lots of appearances as a sub?
I always thought he had a better chance of the former in Germany, especially with the amount they are willing to pay for him, and that was the biggest attraction for wanting to go to Leipzig. (If that is to be believed)
Post by: brap2 on July 21, 2018, 08:48:44 PM
Post by: Gash on July 21, 2018, 09:09:01 PM
As in first eleven? Or on the bench with lots of appearances as a sub?
Clearly he'd need to earn his place and certainly wouldn't be guaranteed starts. He only played 90 minutes a couple of times for RB, subbed on the hour 3 times and one on and one off at half time and the rest were 10-20 minute sub appearance so he had a mixed spell there anyway.
Post by: dunkster on July 21, 2018, 09:14:44 PM
Post by: Lincs Toffee on July 21, 2018, 09:26:47 PM
So without trawling through last few pages, has he refused to play?Not to my knowledge, has an alleged thigh strain hence not in Portugal
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 21, 2018, 09:45:35 PM
So without trawling through last few pages, has he refused to play?
Doesn’t look like it. Which to me is quite promising. So what if he’d prefer to be somewhere else. If he’s not kicking up a fuss there’s no reason why we can’t keep him. Plus I think when he’s in the team and doing well he’ll be happy here
Post by: blargins on July 21, 2018, 11:04:52 PM
Post by: dunkster on July 21, 2018, 11:26:14 PM
And on the weekend's he's not playing, he can always pop over to Germany for a visit.
Yeah he could pop back like klaasen did for a standing ovation from the supporters
Post by: howard1334 on July 21, 2018, 11:32:39 PM
Clearly he'd need to earn his place and certainly wouldn't be guaranteed starts. He only played 90 minutes a couple of times for RB, subbed on the hour 3 times and one on and one off at half time and the rest were 10-20 minute sub appearance so he had a mixed spell there anyway.
Come on Gash, you may not be as big of fan as I am, but claiming he had a mixed spell at Leipzig is crazy. Truly. Not only did he get 5 goals and 3 assists in 11 games (an outstanding return), but he also started all four of Leipzig's last four games, going the full 90 in three of them.
Of course he was not going to be an instant starter when he came into a strong Bundesliga team half-way through the season. What especially matters is how he was being treated at the end of his loan, and from that perspective, it really could not have gone any better. He came in during a tough spell for the team, earned his minutes in training and in matches, and then was rewarded with significant game time. It's not like Leipzig were just handing him garbage minutes at the end of a long season either -- they were fighting for Champs and Europa League spots right through the last game of the season.
Post by: howard1334 on July 21, 2018, 11:33:21 PM
Not to my knowledge, has an alleged thigh strain hence not in Portugal
Yeah, I have not seen any evidence that he is refusing to do anything. People seem to just be making that shit up.
Post by: howard1334 on July 21, 2018, 11:34:08 PM
Doesn’t look like it. Which to me is quite promising. So what if he’d prefer to be somewhere else. If he’s not kicking up a fuss there’s no reason why we can’t keep him. Plus I think when he’s in the team and doing well he’ll be happy here
Holy shit, I agree with you again.
Post by: dunkster on July 21, 2018, 11:36:45 PM
Post by: blargins on July 21, 2018, 11:57:26 PM
Do we think he'll get many starting roles with Richarlison and Walcott?
Walcott doesn't have a great fitness record, plus there'll be some switching things around, so I think he'd get a decent amount of games.
Post by: Dr. Sponge on July 22, 2018, 12:11:58 AM
Do we think he'll get many starting roles with Richarlison and Walcott?
Healthy competition. Could even play all 3.
Post by: gizzblue on July 22, 2018, 12:14:02 AM
Do we think he'll get many starting roles with Richarlison and Walcott?
Ramon he will get plenty of playing time Walcott doesn't play full seasons ...historically.
Post by: Gash on July 22, 2018, 01:32:23 AM
Come on Gash, you may not be as big of fan as I am, but claiming he had a mixed spell at Leipzig is crazy. Truly. Not only did he get 5 goals and 3 assists in 11 games (an outstanding return), but he also started all four of Leipzig's last four games, going the full 90 in three of them.
Of course he was not going to be an instant starter when he came into a strong Bundesliga team half-way through the season. What especially matters is how he was being treated at the end of his loan, and from that perspective, it really could not have gone any better. He came in during a tough spell for the team, earned his minutes in training and in matches, and then was rewarded with significant game time. It's not like Leipzig were just handing him garbage minutes at the end of a long season either -- they were fighting for Champs and Europa League spots right through the last game of the season.
Of course it was mixed, that's not saying he was rubbish though. I haven't the time nor the interest in digging out reviews (they're only the reviewers opinion anyway) or some clips of his goals, they only give a snippet anyway. But from what I've can see he scored on his debut, then went a few games without a goal and receiving fairly average ratings, but had two good games against Hertha and Wolfsburg scoring three of his five goals and two of his three assists so he certainly ended his spell.
You rate him and that's fine, I don't have a problem with that but I think it's clear that he doesn't want to be here both from the bids continuing to come in and Rangnick's comments today and earlier in the summer. Lookman himself also refused to rule out going back when asked at the end of the season. We can debate all day long as to whether he should have been loaned there or not, I don't think he did enough to warrant being in the squad every week and it's not like loaning out young, fringe first teamers is uncommon but despite the previous regime being removed he still seems to want a move, let him go and move on as far as I'm concerned, no point having a young player here who doesn't want to be here.
Post by: howard1334 on July 22, 2018, 01:40:06 AM
Of course it was mixed, that's not saying he was rubbish though. I haven't the time nor the interest in digging out reviews (they're only the reviewers opinion anyway) or some clips of his goals, they only give a snippet anyway. But from what I've can see he scored on his debut, then went a few games without a goal and receiving fairly average ratings, but had two good games against Hertha and Wolfsburg scoring three of his five goals and two of his three assists so he certainly ended his spell.
You rate him and that's fine, I don't have a problem with that but I think it's clear that he doesn't want to be here both from the bids continuing to come in and Rangnick's comments today and earlier in the summer. Lookman himself also refused to rule out going back when asked at the end of the season. We can debate all day long as to whether he should have been loaned there or not, I don't think he did enough to warrant being in the squad every week and it's not like loaning out young, fringe first teamers is uncommon but despite the previous regime being removed he still seems to want a move, let him go and move on as far as I'm concerned, no point having a young player here who doesn't want to be here.
I would think that it is obvious that a player can have a hugely successful loan spell despite starting on the bench at first or having some mixed matches. A few bad matches does not automatically make a loan spell mixed. No player goes on loan and plays exceptionally every match, and I don't think anyone expected that to happen for Lookman. In turn, Lookman's loan spell as a whole -- from a playing perspective, considering expectations going in, and assessed in its entirety -- was anything but mixed. Rather, it was clearly a huge success. I don't think I can think of another Everton loan spell that has so enhanced a player's reputation. For a lot of people outside of our Everton bubble, it put Lookman on the map.
I agree that the merits of sending him out on loan are up for the debate, but the fact that he played very well, exceeded expectations, and impressed Leipzing is not.
Post by: Gash on July 22, 2018, 02:03:18 AM
I would think that it is obvious that a player can have a hugely successful loan spell despite having mixed games. A few bad games does not automatically make a loan spell mixed. No player goes on loan and plays exceptionally every match, and I don't think anyone expected that to happen for Lookman. In turn, Lookman's loan spell as a whole -- from a playing perspective, considering expectations going in, and assessed in its entirety -- was anything but mixed. I don't think I can think of another Everton loan spell that has so enhanced a player's reputation. For a lot of people outside of our Everton bubble, it put Lookman on the map.
Do me a favour, stop editing your posts every few minutes. It gives a notification whenever you do it so I've had about 12 notifications from your last two replies to me and I can't be arsed reading through it every time to see what you've added/deleted/changed. Cheers.
Post by: howard1334 on July 22, 2018, 02:04:11 AM
Do me a favour, stop editing your posts every few minutes. It gives a notification whenever you do it so I've had about 12 notifications from your last two replies to me and I can't be arsed reading through it every time to see what you've added/deleted/changed. Cheers.
Apologies -- did not realize that is the case.
Post by: Macca77 on July 22, 2018, 03:18:41 PM
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Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 22, 2018, 03:36:44 PM
https://twitter.com/swearimnotpaul/status/1020602879172849664
That’s a dreadful price. Really bad business if true. Only Everton could make so many expensive mistakes in the transfer market. Mistakes we are still paying for as we’ve got half a squad of shite on massive contracts.... then practically give away 1 of the few we potentially got right
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 22, 2018, 03:43:54 PM
I’d sooner we sent him back on loan. Could get double that in 12 months. Seems like we are going to practically give away our best young player if the reports are true
Post by: Alanvideo on July 22, 2018, 03:49:58 PM
Post by: TheRam on July 22, 2018, 07:17:44 PM
Post by: Normm on July 22, 2018, 08:21:52 PM
Everton should just make it clear that no one will be sold until a player has less than two years left on the contract, unless EFC indicate otherwise. The manager rates Lookman highly and doesn't want to sell, so that should be the end of it - no matter what Lookman may think at the moment.
Most supporters want him to stay - that's very clear. He's still very young and needs time to adjust to the new set-up.
Post by: blargins on July 22, 2018, 08:56:26 PM
So all we are hearing is about a couple of bids and a mouthy Leipzig chairman.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 22, 2018, 09:32:33 PM
Thing is, apart from Leipzig, Lookman hasn't said a thing about what's going on. I've not heard him say he wants to leave.
So all we are hearing is about a couple of bids and a mouthy Leipzig chairman.
Which is promising even if he does want to go. It looks like he might not kick up a fuss about it. Unless it’s been implied it’s in the pipeline
Post by: sam of the south on July 22, 2018, 09:34:51 PM
Thing is, apart from Leipzig, Lookman hasn't said a thing about what's going on. I've not heard him say he wants to leave.
So all we are hearing is about a couple of bids and a mouthy Leipzig chairman.
Experience tells me there is generally no smoke without fire
Post by: UnsyisaRhino on July 22, 2018, 10:00:46 PM
Experience tells me there is generally no smoke without fire
True but a playing being interested in a kove and that move going through are very different.
He might be happy either way and still be interested in the deal.
Post by: blargins on July 22, 2018, 10:11:06 PM
Experience tells me there is generally no smoke without fire
Indeed. But we are well experienced in this. We had Lukaku for several years remember.
Post by: Mick 1995 on July 22, 2018, 11:53:22 PM
Again, may all be posturing so they can get him to put a request in and forego his loyalty bonus. (Also, if we accept a bid and the buying club are offering less wages we actually leave ourselves open to "making up the difference").
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 23, 2018, 12:01:03 AM
Silva did an interview with Myers earlier and made noises about wanting Lookman to stay.
Again, may all be posturing so they can get him to put a request in and forego his loyalty bonus. (Also, if we accept a bid and the buying club are offering less wages we actually leave ourselves open to "making up the difference").
There’s no way we’d pay lookman something his contract doesn’t state to go. That only happens when you need the wage off the books
Post by: Paddockoldie on July 23, 2018, 12:12:18 AM
Post by: Mick 1995 on July 23, 2018, 01:24:18 AM
There’s no way we’d pay lookman something his contract doesn’t state to go. That only happens when you need the wage off the books
Ok, well, like people talking about transfer kitties and stuff, it's clear how you have just responded there that you're ignorant to how employment contracts work in football.
You say we wouldn't pay him if it isn't in his contract?
Well, his contract says we will pay him £xm a year for the next 3 years.
If we sell him, then it is us who have broken that contract and we would be liable for that. If he goes onto get gainful employment, then his claim is diminished by the amount he then earns. It's what did Leeds in and it's why were sueing the Dutch FA & Koeman.
If he hands a transfer request in then he forgoes any claim to said monies because it is him wanting to break the contract. It's the main reason we did what we did with people like Lescott and Rooney. We save/the player loses out loads of they formally request to leave.
Post by: Mick 1995 on July 23, 2018, 01:25:43 AM
I use it in its literal form ("dont know") and there is no negative connotations in its use)
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 23, 2018, 01:59:48 AM
Ok, well, like people talking about transfer kitties and stuff, it's clear how you have just responded there that you're ignorant to how employment contracts work in football.
You say we wouldn't pay him if it isn't in his contract?
Well, his contract says we will pay him £xm a year for the next 3 years.
If we sell him, then it is us who have broken that contract and we would be liable for that. If he goes onto get gainful employment, then his claim is diminished by the amount he then earns. It's what did Leeds in and it's why were sueing the Dutch FA & Koeman.
If he hands a transfer request in then he forgoes any claim to said monies because it is him wanting to break the contract. It's the main reason we did what we did with people like Lescott and Rooney. We save/the player loses out loads of they formally request to leave.
Well he doesn’t have to go. The contract he signs with his new club negates his old deal. The only time they get paid on top is when the seller has to sweeten the deal to get them to leave. It’s for a Williams or a rooney who are no longer worth the value of their contract never mind a fee. Absolutely no chance we’d pay lookman to leave.
Williams Garbutt klassen Sandro. Probably. Definitely. Maybe. Maybe.
Lookman. We’d surely make him ask for a transfer so he’s entitled to even less rather than give him more
Post by: Mick 1995 on July 23, 2018, 02:18:29 AM
Silva is saying he wants Lookman to stay. This is either true on the face of it (hopefully). But it could also be a "the ball is in your court Lookman, if you want to leave slap a request in and give up the loyalty bonus we'd owe you if we just accepted a bid".
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Post by: Lxxx on July 25, 2018, 01:28:06 PM
I keep banging on about it but Richarlison has the ability to play through the middle and having him and Lookman developing a partnership as two of the front three could blitz teams.
No-one has seen enough of him to know that.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 25, 2018, 02:12:30 PM
Post by: Nicco on July 25, 2018, 05:19:31 PM
http://www.skysports.com/football/news/15134/11447405/would-selling-ademola-lookman-to-rb-leipzig-be-a-mistake-by-evertonBut they write that Silva has said, not even alledgely, that he is NOT for sale.
But later on they write that they believe in german papers that RBL is closing in on EFC £20m valuation.
Are Sky so adamant to sell our players that they dont even want to listen to first hand sources. A bit Trump like that...
Post by: brap2 on July 25, 2018, 06:14:07 PM
But they write that Silva has said, not even alledgely, that he is NOT for sale.
But later on they write that they believe in german papers that RBL is closing in on EFC £20m valuation.
Are Sky so adamant to sell our players that they dont even want to listen to first hand sources. A bit Trump like that...
‘Everton don’t value the player as highly’
Well, the value we’ve put on him is obviously higher than the value they’ve bid so how’d they work that one out? arseholes.
Post by: themilkycoffees on July 25, 2018, 06:56:41 PM
Post by: themilkycoffees on July 30, 2018, 04:22:16 PM
Post by: Martip on July 30, 2018, 04:25:41 PM
Just posted a story on Instagram with two planes on it. Looks like he's off.Really hope not.
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on July 30, 2018, 04:25:53 PM
Post by: themilkycoffees on July 30, 2018, 04:28:24 PM
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Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on July 30, 2018, 04:31:42 PM
Post by: UnsyisaRhino on July 30, 2018, 04:35:54 PM
I'm probably overreacting, but every inch of my body thinks selling Lookman is bad idea and will come back to bite us. I really hope he stays.
Same
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 30, 2018, 04:39:05 PM
Post by: AllyBlue14 on July 30, 2018, 04:39:33 PM
I'd like to have seen him given a run this year, because I think a front 3 of Lookman, Richarlison and Walcott could cause some damage. But if he's intent on leaving, we should reinvest the funds in a more first-team-ready player and move on.
Post by: Lazarou on July 30, 2018, 04:45:20 PM
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Post by: brap2 on July 30, 2018, 04:47:22 PM
Been rumours he’s struggled to settle in Liverpool and that he club set him up in a hotel in town on his bill and he’s been very lonely and not into it. Hope we learn from this to invest in the process of helping players settle into the club, city and culture.
Post by: Lxxx on July 30, 2018, 04:48:25 PM
Post by: themilkycoffees on July 30, 2018, 04:49:46 PM
I don’t blame him really but it’s a shame. Will be lauded by the press for making a brave move abroad and have a feeling it will work out well for him.
Been rumours he’s struggled to settle in Liverpool and that he club set him up in a hotel in town on his bill and he’s been very lonely and not into it. Hope we learn from this to invest in the process of helping players settle into the club, city and culture.
Understand what you're saying mate, but this is surely a standard thing. Walcott was in the Titanic for weeks before he got himself set up. They have the means to bring friends and family up with them. The club can only do so much to help a player settle and I think Everton are usually pretty good at that type of thing.
Post by: brap2 on July 30, 2018, 04:53:44 PM
Understand what you're saying mate, but this is surely a standard thing. Walcott was in the Titanic for weeks before he got himself set up. They have the means to bring friends and family up with them. The club can only do so much to help a player settle and I think Everton are usually pretty good at that type of thing.
Yeah couldn’t say to be fair, no idea how the club are with this stuff but that soccernomics book has almost a whole chapter on it - some clubs are good at it and have members of staff who’s job is to help players settle, other clubs not so good at it.
The rumour I saw was that Lookman was in a hotel for months and had struggled to bond with anyone because of it.
Chances are it’s just the RBL are better than us, he’s actually played over there and in the next few years they’ll be playing regular CL and going for trophy’s with a young exciting team- fair enough.
Post by: sam of the south on July 30, 2018, 04:59:10 PM
Yeah couldn’t say to be fair, no idea how the club are with this stuff but that soccernomics book has almost a whole chapter on it - some clubs are good at it and have members of staff who’s job is to help players settle, other clubs not so good at it.
The rumour I saw was that Lookman was in a hotel for months and had struggled to bond with anyone because of it.
Chances are it’s just the RBL are better than us, he’s actually played over there and in the next few years they’ll be playing regular CL and going for trophy’s with a young exciting team- fair enough.
I didn’t know that about the hotel, that’s not ideal for a young player, particularly one who seems a bit shy.
Shame we haven’t got our own accomodation for new players, a bit like uni’s have, only far more plush, obviously ;D
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 30, 2018, 04:59:24 PM
Post by: themilkycoffees on July 30, 2018, 05:05:56 PM
Yeah couldn’t say to be fair, no idea how the club are with this stuff but that soccernomics book has almost a whole chapter on it - some clubs are good at it and have members of staff who’s job is to help players settle, other clubs not so good at it.
The rumour I saw was that Lookman was in a hotel for months and had struggled to bond with anyone because of it.
Chances are it’s just the RBL are better than us, he’s actually played over there and in the next few years they’ll be playing regular CL and going for trophy’s with a young exciting team- fair enough.
We do have a dedicated player liaison officer, but you're probably right. There are always improvements to be made. I personally think it's more to do with the fact he's had more opportunities thus far at Leipzig. I just don't feel we should sell him. If he really wants to go to Germany again, then I'd loan him because either he'll be back for us next season or we'd sell him for more in a year's time.
Post by: Ramjam on July 30, 2018, 05:08:00 PM
We do have a dedicated player liaison officer, but you're probably right. There are always improvements to be made. I personally think it's more to do with the fact he's had more opportunities thus far at Leipzig. I just don't feel we should sell him. If he really wants to go to Germany again, then I'd loan him because either he'll be back for us next season or we'd sell him for more in a year's time.It’s called the Barca way
Post by: dunkster on July 30, 2018, 05:09:26 PM
That's probably Bolasie and/or mirallas staying then.
Such a fuckin shame.
Post by: AllyBlue14 on July 30, 2018, 05:12:07 PM
If we sell him for 20m it will be comparable to any of the dreadful business we’ve done these last couple of seasons. If we loaned him to the championship and he did well we’d get more than 20m for him
We tried that in January, but he obviously has no intention of going to the Championship.
I agree that £20m seems low though.
Post by: Macca77 on July 30, 2018, 05:12:42 PM
Post by: Lxxx on July 30, 2018, 05:15:30 PM
Post by: GLewis on July 30, 2018, 05:16:10 PM
I don’t blame him really but it’s a shame. Will be lauded by the press for making a brave move abroad and have a feeling it will work out well for him.
Been rumours he’s struggled to settle in Liverpool and that he club set him up in a hotel in town on his bill and he’s been very lonely and not into it. Hope we learn from this to invest in the process of helping players settle into the club, city and culture.
Sure I read somewhere that we were actually really good at that stuff.
Maybe was only for foreign players though?
Post by: Sixx1402 on July 30, 2018, 05:20:43 PM
Jesus it's not rocket science
Post by: themilkycoffees on July 30, 2018, 05:23:31 PM
Funny how anyone who doesn't actually play any games for us goes up in everyone's estimation.
To be fair, I think we've seen enough to know he's got a bit about him. For example, he completely changed the game at Anfield in the FA Cup in January. A few flashes of brilliance for us and a decent return on goals/assists in Germany justifies people rating him the way they do IMO.
Post by: Audrey Horne on July 30, 2018, 05:24:40 PM
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 30, 2018, 05:27:42 PM
Funny how anyone who doesn't actually play any games for us goes up in everyone's estimation.
He’s comfortably our best prospect.
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on July 30, 2018, 05:27:44 PM
Post by: MmmblueBernard on July 30, 2018, 05:33:20 PM
Bite yer hand off.
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on July 30, 2018, 05:33:34 PM
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 30, 2018, 05:34:32 PM
But on the other hand, he doesnt want to play for us, hes seen his arse and his titty lip has come out, and if we kept hold of him, he would be a lazy twat around the club. Richarlison by all accounts, is 100% focussed, works hard, and sweats blood - not to mention affects games consistently. Its a shame things went the way they did with Lookman, but we arent in a position to accept shit like this now, if we dont up our game and work with players that WANT to play for Everton, then things could get a bit messy in a transitional year or two.
I think the issue isn’t so much him going but the fee. Don’t think anyone would be surprised if he put up much better numbers than the player who replaced him at what looks like twice the fee
A lot of us think he’s a sure thing. Players who’ve had a good season in the championship have gone for more this summer
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on July 30, 2018, 05:38:53 PM
If Lookman and Klassen tear it up over there, can we agree the Bundesliga is shite?
Post by: Ramjam on July 30, 2018, 05:41:08 PM
Yeah, big sell-on clause.Or there’s something wrong within our club
If Lookman and Klassen tear it up over there, can we agree the Bundesliga is shite?
Post by: Lxxx on July 30, 2018, 05:43:17 PM
To be fair, I think we've seen enough to know he's got a bit about him. For example, he completely changed the game at Anfield in the FA Cup in January. A few flashes of brilliance for us and a decent return on goals/assists in Germany justifies people rating him the way they do IMO.
I mean in general. Besic's star rises the longer he doesn't play a game and people were championing Garbutt again last season. Absence does indeed make the heart grow fonder it seems.
Post by: themilkycoffees on July 30, 2018, 05:47:27 PM
I mean in general. Besic's star rises the longer he doesn't play a game and people were championing Garbutt again last season. Absence does indeed make the heart grow fonder it seems.
Agree in general. The Garbutt shouts were mad, considering failed loan moves at Wigan and Fulham. Think the Besic shouts born out of desperation because he's had a decent pre-season and of our huge lack of quality in CM.
Post by: Toffee_4_Life on July 30, 2018, 05:49:13 PM
We signed him for £10Million right? I’m not sure where the 30+ valuations come from. Certainly done nothing to justify a Richarlison price tag. I think he’ll develop into a decent player but if we more than double our money on a player who’s clearly spat his dummy out and doesn’t want to be here then so be it.
Post by: blue1948 on July 30, 2018, 05:54:08 PM
Post by: themilkycoffees on July 30, 2018, 05:59:16 PM
I like the lad and he has lots of skill but I think he is just too lightweight for this league ,yes there are slightly built players but they are as hard as nails and I don't think he is .
He is only 20 though. Plenty of time to develop those attributes. It's terrible business if we do decide to cash in now IMO.
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on July 30, 2018, 06:01:26 PM
Post by: blue1948 on July 30, 2018, 06:06:05 PM
He is only 20 though. Plenty of time to develop those attributes. It's terrible business if we do decide to cash in now IMO.
Well as said ,if he doesn't want to be here ! Just wish Mirallas told them he doesn't want to as he has played his good game for the season .
Post by: brap2 on July 30, 2018, 06:06:57 PM
Post by: SANA_DR0 on July 30, 2018, 06:10:34 PM
fuck Koeman/Allardyce
Post by: TheRam on July 30, 2018, 06:14:31 PM
I mean in general. Besic's star rises the longer he doesn't play a game and people were championing Garbutt again last season. Absence does indeed make the heart grow fonder it seems.
He was very impressive in Germany.
Post by: terrydarracotsbaldpate on July 30, 2018, 06:19:51 PM
Shite business to lose him whatever way you cut it, especially to thrifty operators rather than a mega bid a few years down the line.Need a sell on clause Hope they did one for Klassen as well.
Post by: blargins on July 30, 2018, 06:20:32 PM
Post by: MmmblueBernard on July 30, 2018, 06:33:43 PM
He was very impressive in Germany.
Hmm
He had one good game of no consequence that flattered his stats.
Post by: blargins on July 30, 2018, 06:36:23 PM
Post by: gizzblue on July 30, 2018, 06:36:34 PM
I mean in general. Besic's star rises the longer he doesn't play a game and people were championing Garbutt again last season. Absence does indeed make the heart grow fonder it seems.
Imho ....most people were championing Garbutt because Coco was a clown in name and on the pitch too not because Garbutt was awesome.
as for Besic yes he may not be Pirlo ,Zico or even lee Carsley but instead of schneiderlin who can't or won't run or tackle and has give up in reality for Everton over the last season and a half ....I'd take Besic all day every day ...from what we've got .
Although I would agree ,the longer Bolasie was injured the better he got ....till he came back and was shit .
Post by: Bluedylan on July 30, 2018, 06:37:16 PM
Post by: TheRam on July 30, 2018, 06:37:37 PM
Hmm
He had one good game of no consequence that flattered his stats.
Just the one good game, was it?
Sound
Post by: Toffee1 on July 30, 2018, 06:39:39 PM
He might've just got his pilot's licence or summat.
Or he might be going to an airshow or the RAF Museum near me in Hendon.
We need some concrete news as the speculation of what may or may not be happening is in full swing today.
Post by: blargins on July 30, 2018, 06:41:03 PM
Two airplanes and he's off? I thought we'd accepted a bid.
Post by: TheRam on July 30, 2018, 06:43:42 PM
All very cryptic.
Post by: Evertonian in NC on July 30, 2018, 06:46:02 PM
And yes, he's in MY XI. Lookman, Walcott, Richarlison is the way to go.
Post by: Ross on July 30, 2018, 06:46:17 PM
Post by: Silas on July 30, 2018, 06:47:23 PM
Post by: Evertonian in NC on July 30, 2018, 06:48:30 PM
Post by: MmmblueBernard on July 30, 2018, 06:52:22 PM
Just the one good game, was it?
Sound
Don’t go back to being a twat.
I like the new Ram.
Post by: Hesmenos on July 30, 2018, 06:53:33 PM
If we are not planning on starting him and he has his heart set on Leipzig because they rate him higher than us then I think 20Million is not a bad price. The likes of Kluivert, Jota and Saar are better players and they all went for much less.
Post by: Lxxx on July 30, 2018, 06:58:41 PM
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on July 30, 2018, 07:03:39 PM
Next, to add to that: get rid of Williams, Kev, Bolasie and Niasse and bring in Mina. Similar net value, less wages and yet it will improve the team.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 30, 2018, 07:06:07 PM
So it looks like we'll sell Lookman and Klaassan and have bought Richarlison for around the same price and probably saved a little on the wage bill, which delivers on both Brands and Silva's wishes. Surely that's a positive in amongst all the negativity.
I’ll have you a bet that lookman posts better numbers than Richarlison next season (if he moves)
I think it just means we haven’t made any real progress. We needed both not to switch 1 for the other and at great cost to us
Post by: plumber on July 30, 2018, 07:06:28 PM
Sometimes I miss the 20th century.
Post by: themilkycoffees on July 30, 2018, 07:07:26 PM
So it looks like we'll sell Lookman and Klaassan and have bought Richarlison for around the same price and probably saved a little on the wage bill, which delivers on both Brands and Silva's wishes. Surely that's a positive in amongst all the negativity.
Hard to see how selling our best prospect for relative buttons is a positive to be honest. £20m buys you an average PL player these days. This lad has got all the tools to be very, very good and is still only 20 years old. Selling now would be madness from a football and business perspective.
Post by: Trowel on July 30, 2018, 07:09:27 PM
Post by: Lxxx on July 30, 2018, 07:11:12 PM
I’ll have you a bet that lookman posts better numbers than Richarlison next season (if he moves)
I think it just means we haven’t made any real progress. We needed both not to switch 1 for the other and at great cost to us
Two players operating in different leagues with varying opposition, not really a fair comparison.
I agree it would have been ideal to keep him but he doesn't want to be here apparently. In which case you make the best of a bad situation and move on. Richarlison looks at the level to be a starter and deliver every week, Lookman if he stayed wouldn't have been. I think we've traded up, all things considered.
Post by: pjk on July 30, 2018, 07:18:36 PM
Post by: dunkster on July 30, 2018, 07:20:07 PM
Post by: Goaljira on July 30, 2018, 07:21:52 PM
Hard to see how selling our best prospect for relative buttons is a positive to be honest. £20m buys you an average PL player these days. This lad has got all the tools to be very, very good and is still only 20 years old. Selling now would be madness from a football and business perspective.
He also may have the attitude to end up doing fuck all with his career.
Post by: Shropshire Blue on July 30, 2018, 07:22:38 PM
We've seen a few promising cameos on the pitch, Sam and Silva didn't /don't want him to go but I do think the 'potential' whilst promising needs to be kept in proportion.
Plus the part we have no idea of - his wants and ways of dealing with it. I do suspect there is a problem there and in the end talent with a bad attitude can cause more problems than it solves.
Post by: themilkycoffees on July 30, 2018, 07:24:14 PM
Lookman is an Everton player until the club say he isn't. The last 4 or 5 pages on here are bordering on mass hysteria. Two planes on an instagram post. lolol
Who is being hysterical? People just don't want to see our best prospects leave the club for what will likely be a relatively small fee.
As far as the Instagram post is concerned, it's just something that would suggest he's on the move. He may or may not be, but it's more reliable than most of the links that get posted to nonsense transfer rumours.
Post by: Jimmywhack on July 30, 2018, 07:24:57 PM
He Obviously has talent so its a shame but he also pretty obviously wants out
Post by: themilkycoffees on July 30, 2018, 07:26:57 PM
He also may have the attitude to end up doing fuck all with his career.
Based on what exactly? As far as I'm concerned, he challenged himself in going to a very good team in one of the best leagues in the world and by all accounts did quite well. Nothing to suggest he hasn't got the attitude to make it as a very good player.
Post by: pjk on July 30, 2018, 07:27:14 PM
Who is being hysterical? People just don't want to see our best prospects leave the club for what will likely be a relatively small fee.
As far as the Instagram post is concerned, it's just something that would suggest he's on the move. He may or may not be, but it's more reliable than most of the links that get posted to nonsense transfer rumours.
Ok. I will start to put less milk in my Coffee from now on. And wait for some tangible news. ;)
Post by: Gash on July 30, 2018, 07:28:57 PM
We've far more to worry about than whether Ademola Lookman want's to be here or how much we get for him, it'll get to the stage it becomes an unnecessary distraction.
Post by: AllyBlue14 on July 30, 2018, 07:29:39 PM
I’ll have you a bet that lookman posts better numbers than Richarlison next season (if he moves)
I think it just means we haven’t made any real progress. We needed both not to switch 1 for the other and at great cost to us
It's of absolutely no consequence what he does in Germany, though, is it?
Post by: themilkycoffees on July 30, 2018, 07:30:05 PM
Ok. I will start to put less milk in my Coffee from now on. And wait for some tangible news. ;)
To be fair, if this forum was all about tangible news then 90% of posts would have to be removed.
Post by: pjk on July 30, 2018, 07:38:03 PM
To be fair, if this forum was all about tangible news then 90% of posts would have to be removed.
Well I'm not sure if your post would make the 10% or not like. Thanks for pointing that out. That's a lot more useful to me than MOLa posting a couple of planes on his insta. :)
Post by: van der Meyde on July 30, 2018, 07:50:54 PM
£20m's not a bad fee for him, people making out we're selling him for less than we paid. Even with inflated prices, outside of the Premier League and the European super rich, clubs aren't paying massive fees for players so quoting prices paid between English clubs a fairly irrelevant, especially for a player with so little appearances.Fees inside the Premier League absolutely are relevant because, as a Premier League club, we have to pay inflated fees.
The fees we demand in return should really reflect that for players we want to keep.
Post by: Lxxx on July 30, 2018, 07:54:11 PM
Fees inside the Premier League absolutely are relevant because, as a Premier League club, we have to pay inflated fees.
The fees we demand in return should really reflect that for players we want to keep.
But teams outside of the Premier League, bar a handful, can't pay those fees. We have to be realistic when faced with situations that aren't ideal.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 30, 2018, 08:11:23 PM
It's of absolutely no consequence what he does in Germany, though, is it?
Surely when selling a prospect you have to consider his potential. So what he does after we sell him will be the evidence of if we got a good deal or not?
Post by: Gash on July 30, 2018, 08:13:25 PM
Fees inside the Premier League absolutely are relevant because, as a Premier League club, we have to pay inflated fees.
The fees we demand in return should really reflect that for players we want to keep.
It's not really though as clubs outside the Premier League don't pay those fees, Leipzig's offer reflects that, they're offering what they believe to be a fair offer.
It seems that there is a fee that we want, as we've not given a firm no and up until recently Leipzig keep bidding.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 30, 2018, 08:14:13 PM
It's of absolutely no consequence what he does in Germany, though, is it?
Surely when selling a prospect you have to consider his potential. So what he does after we sell him will be the evidence of if we got a good deal or not?
But teams outside of the Premier League, bar a handful, can't pay those fees. We have to be realistic when faced with situations that aren't ideal.
So he doesn’t leave then. I couldn’t go buy a mansion in London at a price I can afford because I’m poor. We don’t want him to leave. So they shouldn’t get a special rate because they don’t have our wealth
Post by: Toffee_4_Life on July 30, 2018, 08:14:18 PM
Lookman is an Everton player until the club say he isn't. The last 4 or 5 pages on here are bordering on mass hysteria. Two planes on an instagram post. lolol
He also removed ‘Everton’ from his twitter bio. Same as Richardson the day before he signed here
Post by: Lxxx on July 30, 2018, 08:14:44 PM
Surely when selling a prospect you have to consider his potential. So what he does after we sell him will be the evidence of if we got a good deal or not?
What is more pertinent is what we do with the money/how we replace him. Once they're gone they're gone. What Everton do has to be our main focus.
Post by: Evertonian in NC on July 30, 2018, 08:22:08 PM
Nor can you simultaneously say it's ok to pay an inflated fee based on Richarlison's untapped potential (a fair argument which I have found somewhat persuasive since he was signed) but also ok to not worry about Lookman's only partially-tapped potential when NOT getting a similarly inflated fee.
This is bad business, end of.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 30, 2018, 08:30:43 PM
What is more pertinent is what we do with the money/how we replace him. Once they're gone they're gone. What Everton do has to be our main focus.
Of course but the less we get the harder it becomes to improve with it. We can’t get a top championship prospect with what’s been reported to be the fee
Post by: sam of the south on July 30, 2018, 08:36:03 PM
He's only little...dunno why he needs 2 planes
It’s just greedy, isn’t it.
It’s like that rapper 2 Chains.
What’s wrong with the one?
Post by: Lxxx on July 30, 2018, 08:36:38 PM
Of course but the less we get the harder it becomes to improve with it. We can’t get a top championship prospect with what’s been reported to be the fee
We have got a top international prospect though with the reported Lookman fee and the anonymous Klaassan fee. Therefore you'd have to say the first team has been improved for little outlay. Which is what it's all about.
Post by: van der Meyde on July 30, 2018, 08:39:31 PM
But teams outside of the Premier League, bar a handful, can't pay those fees. We have to be realistic when faced with situations that aren't ideal.So does Lookman though.
If Everton aren't offered a fee with which we he can be adequately replaced, he shouldn't be sold.
If Brands and Silva think they can? Crack on then. But swapping Lookman for Richarlison, and paying an extra £20m for the privilege, is not what we should be looking to do.
Post by: Evertonian in NC on July 30, 2018, 08:42:22 PM
Losing our top prospect for peanuts, replacing him with the new manager's favourite for double the fee. That's it. Defense a shambles, less than 2 weeks from kickoff. Troubling.
Post by: GLewis on July 30, 2018, 08:50:32 PM
So does Lookman though.
If Everton aren't offered a fee with which we he can be adequately replaced, he shouldn't be sold.
If Brands and Silva think they can? Crack on then. But swapping Lookman for Richarlison, and paying an extra £20m for the privilege, is not what we should be looking to do.
Unless we think Richarlison is twice as likely to make it to the top ;)
Post by: van der Meyde on July 30, 2018, 08:54:57 PM
Unless we think Richarlison is twice as likely to make it to the top ;)Transfer fees are exponential, not linear, G! ;)
Post by: Lxxx on July 30, 2018, 08:59:45 PM
Don't get me wrong I think he has talent but if you were to offer me Richarlison or Lookman, if having both wasn't an option, then it'd be the bigger, more physical, more experienced player. Let the club worry about the finance side of it and let's see how we're looking in a fortnights time.
Post by: Evertonian in NC on July 30, 2018, 09:04:46 PM
Leipzig made the Europa semis, and they are desperate to have him there. Hardly some minor footy outpost, certainly better calibre than Watford.
Post by: GLewis on July 30, 2018, 09:05:03 PM
Transfer fees are exponential, not linear, G! ;)
*gets calculator out*
Nope gcse maths was a long time ago :(
Post by: GLewis on July 30, 2018, 09:06:29 PM
It shouldn't be either/or. I want them BOTH starting, unless we are getting big money from Lookman that we are putting immediately into a Batshuayi (or similar CF). Move Walcott to the middle, I am nonplussed with Tosun.
Leipzig made the Europa semis, and they are desperate to have him there. Hardly some minor footy outpost, certainly better calibre than Watford.
Unfortunately one wants to be here, the other doesn’t.
Post by: Lxxx on July 30, 2018, 09:13:56 PM
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 30, 2018, 09:23:55 PM
We have got a top international prospect though with the reported Lookman fee and the anonymous Klaassan fee. Therefore you'd have to say the first team has been improved for little outlay. Which is what it's all about.
By fractions maybe. Great scenes. Yet not compared to how the vast majority of how rivals have improved. If you improve less than everyone else is that improvement
Post by: Gash on July 30, 2018, 09:24:37 PM
I think people are just rationalizing because they don't want to think "oh, shit, here we go again with the same terrible business decision-making problems we've always had" - but I try to stay as objective as I can, and this just ain't good at all.
Losing our top prospect for peanuts, replacing him with the new manager's favourite for double the fee. That's it. Defense a shambles, less than 2 weeks from kickoff. Troubling.
It's not peanuts and we're not replacing him, he started one game in the Premier League and was on loan for the second half of the season, there's nothing there to replace.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 30, 2018, 09:26:28 PM
It's not peanuts and we're not replacing him, he started one game in the Premier League and was on loan for the second half of the season, there's nothing there to replace.
By that argument we might as well just get rid of all our youth teams. They'd be no loss
Post by: Gash on July 30, 2018, 09:27:12 PM
By that argument we might as well just get rid of all our youth teams. They'd be no loss
Most of them wouldn't be.
Post by: Evertonian in NC on July 30, 2018, 09:29:40 PM
Post by: Goaljira on July 30, 2018, 09:30:33 PM
Based on what exactly? As far as I'm concerned, he challenged himself in going to a very good team in one of the best leagues in the world and by all accounts did quite well. Nothing to suggest he hasn't got the attitude to make it as a very good player.
Based on reports very soon after he arrived surfacing that he wanted to go back to London, or that despite us being a team massively lacking pace and a creative spark he hardly figured under Koeman or Allardyce, then decided he didn't want to go on the loan the club had arranged and instead engineered a move of his choice with his agent, and then this summer has obviously made it clear to RBZ that he wants to go back despite both our new manager and director of football stating they want him to play an important role this season and he subsequently misses pre-season via 'injury'.
He looks like he's got the talent, but at the end of the day in the 18 months since he signed he scored on his debut, and then scored twice in a dead rubber european game. At Premier League level he's *just* potential. We'll have more than doubled our money on him as there's no way he's featured anywhere near enough for anything bar the initial fee to have been triggered.
Post by: themilkycoffees on July 30, 2018, 09:36:51 PM
Based on reports very soon after he arrived surfacing that he wanted to go back to London, or that despite us being a team massively lacking pace and a creative spark he hardly figured under Koeman or Allardyce, then decided he didn't want to go on the loan the club had arranged and instead engineered a move of his choice with his agent, and then this summer has obviously made it clear to RBZ that he wants to go back despite both our new manager and director of football stating they want him to play an important role this season and he subsequently misses pre-season via 'injury'.
He looks like he's got the talent, but at the end of the day in the 18 months since he signed he scored on his debut, and then scored twice in a dead rubber european game. At Premier League level he's *just* potential. We'll have more than doubled our money on him as there's no way he's featured anywhere near enough for anything bar the initial fee to have been triggered.
Reports or rumours? It does seem like he wants to go to Leipzig and personally I can't understand why.
I'm just saying we shouldn't sell for buttons when he's still got years left on his contract and his value is only likely to increase in the next 12 months. There is no way we get a player of his potential for the same price, so makes absolutely no sense to sell.
Post by: Evertonian in NC on July 30, 2018, 09:42:58 PM
Reports or rumours? It does seem like he wants to go to Leipzig and personally I can't understand why.
I'm just saying we shouldn't sell for buttons when he's still got years left on his contract and his value is only likely to increase in the next 12 months. There is no way we get a player of his potential for the same price, so makes absolutely no sense to sell.
Yep. Market rates or GTFO, happy or not.
Post by: Gash on July 30, 2018, 09:51:07 PM
I can't remember anyone making as little a contribution to the team causing such a stir and we've had our fair share of overhyped youngstes in the past.
Post by: themilkycoffees on July 30, 2018, 09:53:31 PM
So is it the 'rumoured fee' that's getting everyone upset or selling the player? Seems most people are more bothered about the cost rather the player and as long as we rinse RBL then that'll be okay.
I can't remember anyone making as little a contribution to the team causing such a stir and we've had our fair share of overhyped youngstes in the past.
I'd say a bit of both. Not happy we're selling him, because I think he's got all the attributes to be a great player. However, every player has their price but it looks like we're about to sell him on the cheap.
Post by: Bluedylan on July 30, 2018, 09:54:48 PM
So is it the 'rumoured fee' that's getting everyone upset or selling the player? Seems most people are more bothered about the cost rather the player and as long as we rinse RBL then that'll be okay.
I can't remember anyone making as little a contribution to the team causing such a stir and we've had our fair share of overhyped youngstes in the past.
I think people concerned about selling him think he has very high potential indeed, and feel the club have mismanaged him from day 1.
Post by: TheRam on July 30, 2018, 09:56:54 PM
Think he’s going to be a great player but it is what it is.
Not like he was really an important player and we’re getting a tidy profit for someone who’s hardly played for us.
Post by: SANA_DR0 on July 30, 2018, 09:57:17 PM
Most of them wouldn't be.
cos 2 negative managers didnt know how to best use them, we should get rid of them? with out an attacking/progressive manager trying them out?
the thing thats wrong with Everton is that we have spent crazy amounts the last 2 years, the players we have bought have literally no sell on value (besides Lookman and maybe Vlasic)
We'll struggle to get half of Schneiderlins fee, same goes for Siggy, same was shown for Klaassen.. as such, the only way to generate some extra income is better marketing/corporate side of things, or selling the young players.
i know the FPP and stuff dont come into play, but im sure Moshiri has seen us spend recklessly, we wont get shit back for Bolasie either.. there wages are crazily high (i think our wage bill last year was 140m or so, as such that isnt sustainable)
i hope to fuck Lookman doesnt go.
i'd rather take a hit/loss on Bolasie and the rest of the players who are on extortionate wages and offer hardly anything..
but what sort of club is going to pay those wages ?
Post by: blueToffee on July 30, 2018, 10:00:18 PM
So is it the 'rumoured fee' that's getting everyone upset or selling the player? Seems most people are more bothered about the cost rather the player and as long as we rinse RBL then that'll be okay.
I can't remember anyone making as little a contribution to the team causing such a stir and we've had our fair share of overhyped youngstes in the past.
I’d rather have Deulofeu back :)
We all have our slightly irrational attachments I suppose.
Seriously though while I’d like to have kept Lookman, I’d still have seen him as an up and coming player who would probably still be on the bench a lot. Much like RBL have used him really.
Richarlison looks much more like a PL ready player, so frankly money issues aside I’m quite comfortable that in that position we’ve upgraded our starting XI.
If we end up selling Lookman, to play Football Manager for a moment, I’d throw some money at Rennes for Siliki as he’s about the same age and he also looks like he could be ready for the PL too.
Post by: Gash on July 30, 2018, 10:02:12 PM
cos 2 negative managers didnt know how to best use them, we should get rid of them?
We're kind of going round in circles with this but I didn't say we should get rid of them, I said if we did most of them wouldn't be a miss. That's not just my opinion, that's a fact and not just at our club but all clubs, very few players make it to a top level and even less at the club they were in the academy at. Whether you like it or not, the majority of players knocking on the first team door won't get a game, not because of miss management or anything like that, just that they're simply not good enough.
Post by: Gash on July 30, 2018, 10:06:49 PM
I'd say a bit of both. Not happy we're selling him, because I think he's got all the attributes to be a great player. However, every player has their price but it looks like we're about to sell him on the cheap.
£20m's not cheap for a player with four Premier League starts under his belt, that's supposing it's the fee he goes for though.
I think people concerned about selling him think he has very high potential indeed, and feel the club have mismanaged him from day 1.
Possibly. We did invest a lot of money in him in the first place so he should try and appreciate that and the new regime want him as well. Maybe he just wasn't showing enough in training, I know it's easy to blame a succession of managers in hindsight, but there could be that as well?
Post by: Evertonian in NC on July 30, 2018, 10:14:51 PM
£20m's not cheap for a player with four Premier League starts under his belt, that's supposing it's the fee he goes for though.
If you don't factor in what he did with Leipzig (or just breezily discount it because it's Bundesliga, not the almighty Prem, which was 1 great side, 5 decent ones, and a world of shite last season), then sure, 20 seems ballpark reasonable.
I took the time to actually watch some of those Leipzig games.
Post by: Evertonian in NC on July 30, 2018, 10:16:25 PM
I think people concerned about selling him think he has very high potential indeed, and feel the club have mismanaged him from day 1.
Exactly this, plus all of the rationalizations are chapping my arse.
Post by: dunkster on July 30, 2018, 10:24:39 PM
Post by: Evertonian in NC on July 30, 2018, 10:25:38 PM
My issue isn't necessarily that Lookman may go, it's the likelyhood of us being out of time and keeping bolasie/mirallas .
How about actually PLAYING Bolasie/Mirallas? Won't that be a joy to watch. Again.
Post by: Cereal Killer on July 30, 2018, 10:26:28 PM
Im over it now.
Over what?? Two plane emojis on his instagram account??
Post by: dunkster on July 30, 2018, 10:31:26 PM
Yeah I'm keeping positive but what a huge blow it will be if our new look team we wete so excited about are as hopeless as what we had before.
Post by: Evertonian in NC on July 30, 2018, 10:34:01 PM
I really hope brands accelerates the incoming and outgoing a lot. We've got rid of how many toward that magical 25?? and added one so far.
Yeah I'm keeping positive but what a huge blow it will be if our new look team we wete so excited about are as hopeless as what we had before.
It's not helping how much of a positive vibe Wolves and Fulham have been able to establish for the start of their return seasons, whilst we are stuck in muck. Yet another pride injury, I suppose.
Post by: Gash on July 30, 2018, 10:37:06 PM
If you don't factor in what he did with Leipzig (or just breezily discount it because it's Bundesliga, not the almighty Prem, which was 1 great side, 5 decent ones, and a world of shite last season), then sure, 20 seems ballpark reasonable.
Like the Bundesliga?
I took the time to actually watch some of those Leipzig games.
I didn't, happy to admit it but it's still a very small snippet to base things on, especially when it appears three of his goals and two assists came in the last two games. RBL seem to see something in him but it's probably just potential as well, hence why they're not going to throw silly money at him in case he doesn't fulfill it.
Out of interest, what fee do you think we should be looking for?
Post by: Evertonian in NC on July 30, 2018, 10:42:47 PM
Like the Bundesliga?
I didn't, happy to admit it but it's still a very small snippet to base things on, especially when it appears three of his goals and two assists came in the last two games. RBL seem to see something in him but it's probably just potential as well, hence why they're not going to throw silly money at him in case he doesn't fulfill it.
Out of interest, what fee do you think we should be looking for?
35m would be the minimal acceptable bid, with sell-on percentage. I'd prefer 40-45m, he's shown real ability in a Top 5 League, good enough for a side playing in Europe. Young, fast, incredibly athletic, will only get better.
From what I watched, and from gambling, the middle and back end of the Bundesliga was considerably stronger than the Prem last season. What was once our strength (depth of competition) is no more.
Post by: Gash on July 30, 2018, 10:46:08 PM
35m would be the minimal acceptable bid, with sell-on percentage. I'd prefer 40-45m, he's shown real ability in a Top 5 League, good enough for a side playing in Europe. Young, fast, incredibly athletic, will only get better.
I'm out.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 30, 2018, 10:49:45 PM
Post by: Evertonian in NC on July 30, 2018, 10:51:27 PM
It's only now that it looks like it's actually happening that anyone is suddenly saying that 20m would be fine business. Like I said, it's rationalization.
Post by: Dr. Sponge on July 30, 2018, 10:54:55 PM
Post by: dunkster on July 30, 2018, 10:56:00 PM
Post by: MmmblueBernard on July 30, 2018, 11:01:13 PM
Post by: dunkster on July 30, 2018, 11:06:55 PM
Can we sell Bolasie before we know what's happening to Lookman?
Post by: Ross on July 30, 2018, 11:09:38 PM
Post by: dunkster on July 30, 2018, 11:12:12 PM
Post by: Hesmenos on July 30, 2018, 11:29:23 PM
Other people defended/supported that minimum price range LAST week, when we could argue that the bids being rumoured were just rumours. Very few people thought we were getting a market offer 10-15 pages ago or so.I understand the sell on clause and I'm sure Leipzig would be OK with that. But to ask them for 35M for a kid who has played 1000 minutes of top flight football when nobody else seems interested in him is a kin to telling them he's not for sale.
It's only now that it looks like it's actually happening that anyone is suddenly saying that 20m would be fine business. Like I said, it's rationalization.
Which is fine by me but you would then have to justify this valuation to the player by promising him that he will be a first choice for most games and probably also offering him a new contract which reflects how highly you value him. Especially if Lookman has already said that he wants to leave.
Post by: SANA_DR0 on July 30, 2018, 11:39:40 PM
We're kind of going round in circles with this but I didn't say we should get rid of them, I said if we did most of them wouldn't be a miss. That's not just my opinion, that's a fact and not just at our club but all clubs, very few players make it to a top level and even less at the club they were in the academy at. Whether you like it or not, the majority of players knocking on the first team door won't get a game, not because of miss management or anything like that, just that they're simply not good enough.
I agree with most of us, apart from that they're not good enough, how can we tell they're not good enough, especially being in teams that where managed by negative managers..
thats all im saying.. i dont see the need to go and spend millions on players, when the (younger) players we have 'could' turn out to be just as good, given a manager and a DOF, who know how to train/improve/implement a style of play.
Post by: Evertonian in NC on July 30, 2018, 11:42:29 PM
Keep him another season, happy or not.
Post by: Cereal Killer on July 30, 2018, 11:47:54 PM
It's not helping how much of a positive vibe Wolves and Fulham have been able to establish for the start of their return seasons, whilst we are stuck in muck. Yet another pride injury, I suppose.
They are also both far, far richer than us, also without having pissed away a chunk of it last year
Post by: Goaljira on July 30, 2018, 11:51:45 PM
Surely Arsenal, Spurs, and even West Ham would be all over it as they'll have likely scouted him extensively as his career has progressed?
Even the likes of Fulham and Palace you'd think would at least give it a sniff, or Leicester or Southampton who both have wide attacking positions to fill following summer departures?
Post by: Gash on July 30, 2018, 11:52:51 PM
I agree with most of us, apart from that they're not good enough, how can we tell they're not good enough, especially being in teams that where managed by negative managers..
I mean in general more than just the current players. Although the point still stands, the reality is that very few will have a career in the Premier League. And as I said earlier in the thread, it's all to easy to blame it on negative managers but the reality is that at any club in the league with any manager history has shown very few do make it at a high level and that's unlikely to change anytime soon.
Post by: Lxxx on July 30, 2018, 11:58:36 PM
Can’t see us getting anything over £20m for him there’s only ever been something like 25 transfers in the history of the Bundesliga that have breached that figure previously and the vast majority of them involved Bayern.
Don't bring your rationality into all this hysteria, it's not welcome.
Post by: Silas on July 31, 2018, 12:20:23 AM
Post by: Confucius on July 31, 2018, 12:26:04 AM
And if he wants to go, let him. Might have potential but if you don’t have the stomach to prove it you just a shit Ross Barkley.
Post by: Topper on July 31, 2018, 12:29:57 AM
Post by: Confucius on July 31, 2018, 01:09:26 AM
My Fiancee just changed her profile pic on Facebook and I'm not in it. Going by the reactions on here it must definitely mean i'm dumped. Ah well at least that's a few quid saved.
This might not turn out so well....
Post by: Topper on July 31, 2018, 01:21:38 AM
This might not turn out so well....
Gulp, I just saw a plane ticket to Leipzig on the kitchen table, who would have thought they both were connected. Guess I should have jumped to conclusions :shock:
Post by: Confucius on July 31, 2018, 01:25:56 AM
Gulp, I just saw a plane ticket to Leipzig on the kitchen table, who would have thought they both were connected. Guess I should have jumped to conclusions :shock:
HAHA. She left you for Lookman. he just doesn't know it yet.
Post by: AllyBlue14 on July 31, 2018, 02:11:24 AM
Like when someone wants to buy Old Kent Road in Monopoly and you say 'call it 50 mill'.
Post by: Ravardo on July 31, 2018, 06:53:49 AM
Post by: sam of the south on July 31, 2018, 07:42:27 AM
Daily mail reporting leipzig have improved their bid to £18m and we are holding out for £20m
Good times
Post by: Cozzie on July 31, 2018, 02:52:20 PM
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 31, 2018, 03:00:06 PM
Aren't leizpig flush with cash though? Or am I getting that wrong.
Yes but we are everybodies mugs
Post by: Lxxx on July 31, 2018, 03:48:23 PM
Aren't leizpig flush with cash though? Or am I getting that wrong.
They are but have a pretty clear strategy about how they go about things. They'll have an eye on Lookman going back to the Premier League in a few years for multiples of what they pay for him so it doesn't work to massively overpay at this stage.
Post by: MmmblueBernard on July 31, 2018, 04:06:57 PM
They are but have a pretty clear strategy about how they go about things. They'll have an eye on Lookman going back to the Premier League in a few years for multiples of what they pay for him so it doesn't work to massively overpay at this stage.
That is assuming the prophecy of Lookman you’ve made up in your head comes true.....
Post by: Lxxx on July 31, 2018, 04:10:39 PM
That is assuming the prophecy of Lookman you’ve made up in your head comes true.....
I think the fact they're pursuing him so hard means they rate him and think he'll improve with them.
Post by: brap2 on July 31, 2018, 04:20:25 PM
If Leipzig want your youth player, do not let them have him. It won’t always work out, but gamble and let someone stupider buy him.
Post by: Bluedylan on July 31, 2018, 05:18:53 PM
''Leipzig had hoped that £20m would be enough to secure Lookman’s permanent signature, but have found Everton reluctant to negotiate further and so have not yet submitted a third bid for the player''
Sounds like we are still reluctant to sell him, in keeping with Brands and Silva's comments.
Post by: Cereal Killer on July 31, 2018, 06:24:26 PM
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/transfers/everton-transfer-news-ademola-lookman-deal-rb-leipzig-a8470961.html
''Leipzig had hoped that £20m would be enough to secure Lookman’s permanent signature, but have found Everton reluctant to negotiate further and so have not yet submitted a third bid for the player''
Sounds like we are still reluctant to sell him, in keeping with Brands and Silva's comments.
But but but, he put planes on his Instagram!! Fucking planes!!!! :bonk:
Post by: Jimmywhack on July 31, 2018, 07:19:27 PM
But but but, he put planes on his Instagram!! Fucking planes!!!! :bonk:(https://images.ridemonkey.com/index.php?size=full&src=http%3A%2F%2Fonionzeta.files.wordpress.com%2F2007%2F09%2Fislafantasia.jpg)
Post by: dunkster on July 31, 2018, 07:21:35 PM
Post by: blargins on July 31, 2018, 07:23:51 PM
Be like a new signing if he stays
You're actually not wrong there given his history with us.
Post by: themilkycoffees on July 31, 2018, 07:26:42 PM
But but but, he put planes on his Instagram!! Fucking planes!!!! :bonk:
Take the piss all you want. I very much doubt he'll be an Everton player in 2 weeks time.
Post by: Lxxx on July 31, 2018, 08:09:07 PM
Post by: Bluedylan on July 31, 2018, 08:17:53 PM
I suppose there is still the potential we tell the lad to shut up, stop moaning and put your boots on. Which looks likely the longer Walcott stays AWOL.
Baz on Toffee TV said Walcott was back in training, after his injury, yesterday. Dunno if true or not.
Post by: Lxxx on July 31, 2018, 08:21:50 PM
Baz on Toffee TV said Walcott was back in training, after his injury, yesterday. Dunno if true or not.
Hope so, he's one of the very few with a football brain. He might have had his critics at Arsenal but years spent playing with quality players at the highest level means he stands out in our team. You'd like to think Silva can utilise him more than the lone furrows he was ploughing under Allardyce.
Post by: Bluedylan on July 31, 2018, 08:22:55 PM
Hope so, he's one of the very few with a football brain. He might have had his critics at Arsenal but years spent playing with quality players at the highest level means he stands out in our team. You'd like to think Silva can utilise him more than the lone furrows he was ploughing under Allardyce.
Yeah I didn't wanna sign him. Couldn't have been more wrong.
Post by: TheRam on July 31, 2018, 08:24:20 PM
Don’t have a bad word to say about Theo.
Post by: Lxxx on July 31, 2018, 08:25:09 PM
Yeah I didn't wanna sign him. Couldn't have been more wrong.
Same here. I thought it was a very uninspiring and obvious signing at the time. Now to get his experience and ability in the final third for £20m looks to be a great piece of business.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 31, 2018, 08:34:35 PM
I suppose there is still the potential we tell the lad to shut up, stop moaning and put your boots on. Which looks likely the longer Walcott stays AWOL.
We should be doing just that/ we’ve so much work to do with our squad. Can’t be letting someone we want to keep go
Post by: everton1952 on July 31, 2018, 08:48:31 PM
Post by: brap2 on July 31, 2018, 11:32:52 PM
Post by: MmmblueBernard on July 31, 2018, 11:40:44 PM
Walcott meh
Heathen!
Post by: brap2 on July 31, 2018, 11:47:08 PM
Heathen!
Nah he’s alright, he’s prem quality.
He’s just old, a pace merchant, injury prone and on big, long wages. Wasn’t a victory by any means but it improved the first team so you can’t grumble too much.
Post by: blargins on July 31, 2018, 11:47:57 PM
Post by: gizzblue on July 31, 2018, 11:53:23 PM
Walcott's ace. Easily my favorite outfield player for Everton at the moment.
Seamus will be gutted lolol
Post by: Martip on August 01, 2018, 03:04:00 AM
Post by: blueToffee on August 01, 2018, 10:08:58 AM
Walcott's ace. Easily my favorite outfield player for Everton at the moment.
Hard not to like players with a good footballing brain. For all Wenger’s faults you can tell Walcott had the benefit of a much better footballing education than most of our outfield.
Signs Richarlison has similar, so looking forward to seeing them play together. Just need someone with similar in the middle.
Post by: Macca77 on August 01, 2018, 01:27:09 PM
Post by: brap2 on August 01, 2018, 02:00:50 PM
Big Kev Mirallas, please step forward.
Post by: TheRam on August 01, 2018, 02:45:47 PM
Reports in Germany lookman’s getting his way.
Big Kev Mirallas, please step forward.
Looking forward to seeing big kev in action next season.
Deserves the opportunity to show us what he can do.
Always been nothing but a reliable, professional player.
A true Everton man.
Post by: Lxxx on August 01, 2018, 02:50:59 PM
Reports in Germany lookman’s getting his way.
Big Kev Mirallas, please step forward.
….and keep walking.
Post by: Escla on August 01, 2018, 02:55:29 PM
Reports in Germany lookman’s getting his way.
Big Kev Mirallas, please step forward.
Who exactly were we expecting Lookman to keep out of the starting 11 ? Walcott or Richarlison ?
He knows that he is a starter at Leipzig and a steady bench warmer with us, can’t blame the kid.
Post by: brap2 on August 01, 2018, 03:23:07 PM
Who exactly were we expecting Lookman to keep out of the starting 11 ? Walcott or Richarlison ?
He knows that he is a starter at Leipzig and a steady bench warmer with us, can’t blame the kid.
Well I mean he didn’t start for them last time.
And yes I would 100% start him over Walcott who will be our injured for most of the season anyway.
Post by: AllyBlue14 on August 01, 2018, 04:31:23 PM
Post by: dazfrancis on August 01, 2018, 04:32:14 PM
Post by: DanDan on August 01, 2018, 04:34:56 PM
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on August 01, 2018, 04:35:57 PM
Pickford
Coleman ----- Jags ----- CB ----- Digne
Lookman ----- Gana ----- Sig ----- Richarlison
Walcott ----- Tosun
Coleman ----- Jags ----- CB ----- Digne
Lookman ----- Gana ----- Sig ----- Richarlison
Walcott ----- Tosun
Started off as a joke, but may actually look ok, with Gana (Drinkwater) deeper and Sig closer to the attack. Assuming we had a decent CB come in and full backs and widemen worked intelligently out of posession :) Would never happen as Silva will stick to his 4-3-3 :D
Post by: Sixx1402 on August 01, 2018, 04:41:21 PM
He's played both flanks. ANYWAY! FOUR FOUR FUCKING TWO! would fix it :)Pickford
Coleman ----- Jags ----- CB ----- Digne
Lookman ----- Gana ----- Sig ----- Richarlison
Walcott ----- Tosun
Started off as a joke, but may actually look ok, with Gana (Drinkwater) deeper and Sig closer to the attack. Assuming we had a decent CB come in and full backs and widemen worked intelligently out of posession :) Would never happen as Silva will stick to his 4-3-3 :D
442 is probably the most balanced formation when you get the system right
I'm surprised not many teams use it anymore
Post by: brap2 on August 01, 2018, 04:44:27 PM
No way Lookman keeps a fit Walcott out. I could see the argument for playing Walcott through the middle and Lookman and Richarlison on the wings, but Walcott is streets ahead.
Walcott will keep himself out don’t worry about it
Post by: sam of the south on August 01, 2018, 04:53:55 PM
Walcott will keep himself out don’t worry about it
Injuries, you mean?
Post by: brap2 on August 01, 2018, 06:02:51 PM
Injuries, you mean?
Yeah, missed 79 games over the last 5 seasons due to injuries, including a 280 day ACL injury.
Have to wonder when and how hard his physical cliff will be.
I’m being harsh on him though, practically a revelation when he joined. I’m just feeling very frustrated with the Lookman thing and taking it out on poor Theo.
Post by: sam of the south on August 01, 2018, 06:16:04 PM
Yeah, missed 79 games over the last 5 seasons due to injuries, including a 280 day ACL injury.
Have to wonder when and how hard his physical cliff will be.
I’m being harsh on him though, practically a revelation when he joined. I’m just feeling very frustrated with the Lookman thing and taking it out on poor Theo.
I’m 100% with you, particularly the last sentence.
The chance of having Richarlison, Lookman, Walcott as forward options is tantalising, and fucking annoying that it won’t happen.
Post by: blueToffee on August 01, 2018, 06:24:52 PM
Who exactly were we expecting Lookman to keep out of the starting 11 ? Walcott or Richarlison ?
He knows that he is a starter at Leipzig and a steady bench warmer with us, can’t blame the kid.
He was on the bench for them a bunch too. He only started 6 games since he went there in January.
Post by: blargins on August 01, 2018, 06:28:42 PM
I’m 100% with you, particularly the last sentence.
The chance of having Richarlison, Lookman, Walcott as forward options is tantalising, and fucking annoying that it won’t happen.
I'm not even so much bothered about Lookman, we'll find other players like him with potential. I'm just really hoping to see Theo and Richarlison in the same team together and have a feeling it might be some time before that happens. Like when I wanted to see Arteta and Fellaini in center midfield or Limpar and Kanchelskis on at the same time. Rarely if ever happened.
Post by: Gary1878 on August 01, 2018, 06:38:00 PM
442 is probably the most balanced formation when you get the system right
I'm surprised not many teams use it anymore
Primarily because you can counter teams easily with it using wingbacks or 4-5-1/4-1-4-1 and it has less defensive cover. It also stretches the midfield 4 if opposition fullbacks push on. IMO, Walcott is best used wide right, making late runs into the box from the wing.
Post by: Gary1878 on August 01, 2018, 06:41:43 PM
I'm not even so much bothered about Lookman, we'll find other players like him with potential. I'm just really hoping to see Theo and Richarlison in the same team together and have a feeling it might be some time before that happens. Like when I wanted to see Arteta and Fellaini in center midfield or Limpar and Kanchelskis on at the same time. Rarely if ever happened.
I think it will happen a lot quicker than we think. Richarlison and Walcott are both hard working players willing to cover defensively. Even if it means sitting Schneiderlin 10 yards in front of the back 4 (he can't do much else anyway), we need to get both these guys in the wide positions.
Post by: Sixx1402 on August 01, 2018, 10:53:16 PM
Primarily because you can counter teams easily with it using wingbacks or 4-5-1/4-1-4-1 and it has less defensive cover. It also stretches the midfield 4 if opposition fullbacks push on. IMO, Walcott is best used wide right, making late runs into the box from the wing.
Fair enough but didn't Leicester play 442 when they won the league? Not saying we should do it, just saying can be very balanced and effective if done right with the right players
Post by: dunkster on August 02, 2018, 06:22:54 AM
Teams rarely have to contain 2 strikers nowadays as well.
Post by: blargins on August 02, 2018, 07:06:20 AM
Post by: Toddacelli on August 02, 2018, 02:26:46 PM
He's the future.
Learn from Theo and get even better if poss.
Post by: Hawkandro on August 02, 2018, 02:31:39 PM
Post by: Escla on August 02, 2018, 02:35:59 PM
The problem with Lookman, so I have been told, is that he has never liked it in Liverpool, and doesn't want to stay here as he feels he cannot settle. Apparently his attitude all summer has been highly questionable too, with Silva taking offence at it, especially after both Silva and Brands have stated they see him as an important part of the first-team.
That all sounds very plausible.
Post by: DanDan on August 02, 2018, 02:38:12 PM
Post by: Hawkandro on August 02, 2018, 02:38:19 PM
That all sounds very plausible.
Brands and Silva are doing their utmost to entice him to stay, but he also feels let down by Koeman and Allardyce and feels he has wasted the last 2 years.
Post by: Lxxx on August 02, 2018, 02:44:02 PM
Brands and Silva are doing their utmost to entice him to stay, but he also feels let down by Koeman and Allardyce and feels he has wasted the last 2 years.
I get the not settling bit but these constant references back to Koeman and Allardyce are tiresome and completely irrelevant.
Post by: Hawkandro on August 02, 2018, 02:45:14 PM
I get the not settling bit but these constant references back to Koeman and Allardyce are tiresome and completely irrelevant.
Only passing on what I have been told. :thumbsup:
Post by: pjk on August 02, 2018, 02:47:05 PM
Post by: Lxxx on August 02, 2018, 03:07:54 PM
Only passing on what I have been told. :thumbsup:
Wasn't particularly having a pop at you pal, it's just that it was probably a half arsed stab at ITK which has been repeated ad nauseam without anyone stopping to think whether it actually makes any sense in the real world. Which of course it doesn't. The old regime has been and gone and the new one is bending over backwards for him. If he genuinely doesn't want to be here fine but it's not because some blokes who are no longer here didn't allegedly treat him very well.
Post by: bigmanbob on August 02, 2018, 03:25:41 PM
The problem with Lookman, so I have been told, is that he has never liked it in Liverpool, and doesn't want to stay here as he feels he cannot settle. Apparently his attitude all summer has been highly questionable too, with Silva taking offence at it, especially after both Silva and Brands have stated they see him as an important part of the first-team.Put a £30 mill price tag on him then, that's what every fucker is doing with all our targets, if nobody pays it he'll soon come around
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on August 02, 2018, 03:28:46 PM
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on August 02, 2018, 03:29:31 PM
This is going to go on until the end of August isn't it
Nope, window shuts in just over a week.
(in England) ;)
Post by: DanDan on August 02, 2018, 03:30:55 PM
Nope, window shuts in just over a week.
Not in Germany it doesnt
Post by: D15TIN on August 02, 2018, 03:31:18 PM
Nope, window shuts in just over a week.Only in England
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on August 02, 2018, 03:33:24 PM
Post by: Sixx1402 on August 02, 2018, 04:52:24 PM
He needs to realise he was plucked from obscurity and brought into the limelight by us
I couldn't care less what he thinks about koeman or allardyce as they're not around now obviously
What the kid really needs to do is get his head down and push for a first team place
If not hand in a transfer request and lose your bonuses
If true about his attitude of course
Post by: Lxxx on August 02, 2018, 05:33:29 PM
If it's true about his attitude this summer then he needs to put in a transfer request so that he forfeits any loyalty bonuses as he shouldn't get a penny.
He needs to realise he was plucked from obscurity and brought into the limelight by us
I couldn't care less what he thinks about koeman or allardyce as they're not around now obviously
What the kid really needs to do is get his head down and push for a first team place
If not hand in a transfer request and lose your bonuses
If true about his attitude of course
Broadly agree with this. If he's that unhappy then formally request the opportunity to leave.
Post by: Evertonian in NC on August 03, 2018, 04:59:54 AM
Only passing on what I have been told. :thumbsup:
It's completely logical whether we like it or not. He's been burned by two people hired by Everton, thus he is suspicious when he KNOWS he likes how they run things with Leipzig.
Post by: Ravardo on August 03, 2018, 05:22:58 AM
Post by: American Evertonian on August 03, 2018, 08:09:16 AM
Brands and Silva are doing their utmost to entice him to stay, but he also feels let down by Koeman and Allardyce and feels he has wasted the last 2 years.
Maybe he can find sentiment in that we all also have felt like we wasted two years.
If he wants to leave then his agent better drum up a business willing to pay up. If I was in charge I would accept nothing less than £30m or a fee of £20m with a 50% sell on fee and additional £5-7m if he runs out his contract without being sold.
Not going to be held hostage. If he doesn't like living in Liverpool he never should excepted our generous offer to come to the Premier League.
Post by: SANA_DR0 on August 03, 2018, 06:18:40 PM
Maybe he can find sentiment in that we all also have felt like we wasted two years.
If he wants to leave then his agent better drum up a business willing to pay up. If I was in charge I would accept nothing less than £30m or a fee of £20m with a 50% sell on fee and additional £5-7m if he runs out his contract without being sold.
Not going to be held hostage. If he doesn't like living in Liverpool he never should excepted our generous offer to come to the Premier League.
Other Premier teams where watching him/after him too..
i find it astounding that we want 30 m for a player who hasnt played for us at.
Hopefully Silva and Brands can convince him we are heading in a new path and that Lookman is important to us.
Post by: Lxxx on August 03, 2018, 06:25:21 PM
Post by: American Evertonian on August 04, 2018, 06:26:53 AM
Other Premier teams where watching him/after him too..
i find it astounding that we want 30 m for a player who hasnt played for us at.
Hopefully Silva and Brands can convince him we are heading in a new path and that Lookman is important to us.
I'm only putting that number there because that's what the market dictates. People pay a premium for young English potential. Look at James Madison who went for £23m and has never played in the prem. ademola is worth as much as he should be - if not more.
Post by: American Evertonian on August 04, 2018, 06:27:49 AM
I know I've mentioned it previously but with Onyekuru starting brightly in Turkey and here next summer we might just decide to sell Lookman then if they pony up enough cash. If the kid doesn't fancy it then spend the cash on a new centre half.
🤞🏻🤞🏻 on that work permit
Post by: howard1334 on August 04, 2018, 12:38:48 PM
If it's true about his attitude this summer then he needs to put in a transfer request so that he forfeits any loyalty bonuses as he shouldn't get a penny.
He needs to realise he was plucked from obscurity and brought into the limelight by us
I couldn't care less what he thinks about koeman or allardyce as they're not around now obviously
What the kid really needs to do is get his head down and push for a first team place
If not hand in a transfer request and lose your bonuses
If true about his attitude of course
Let's not overstate our role here. If we did not buy him, then another Prem club was going to soon.
Post by: howard1334 on August 04, 2018, 12:40:51 PM
Post by: Trublue on August 04, 2018, 02:49:58 PM
Post by: sam of the south on August 04, 2018, 04:26:44 PM
You'd think with a new manager and loads off lads his own age around the first team he'd be happy?
Yeah, I was banking on this.
Doesn’t look like it’s had much of an effect, though.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on August 04, 2018, 04:32:30 PM
Yeah, I was banking on this.
Doesn’t look like it’s had much of an effect, though.
Got to wonder if he’s got much in common with the other young players. His bio on Twitter (I think it’s twitter) says god is great. We probably need to marry him off rather than get him on the party scene.
Regardless we’ve struggled to get numbers in this window so surely it would be crazy to sell 1 we want to keep. He needs to be told no. That we’ll look at it again in jan. Then given plenty of opportunities with us
Post by: gizzblue on August 04, 2018, 04:58:17 PM
Got to wonder if he’s got much in common with the other young players. His bio on Twitter (I think it’s twitter) says god is great. We probably need to marry him off rather than get him on the party scene.
Regardless we’ve struggled to get numbers in this window so surely it would be crazy to sell 1 we want to keep. He needs to be told no. That we’ll look at it again in jan. Then given plenty of opportunities with us
Sounds like our resident miserable fucker has a soft spot for Ade Lookman. ..I'm truly humbled :thumbsup:
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on August 04, 2018, 05:01:14 PM
Sounds like our resident miserable fucker has a soft spot for Ade Lookman. ..I'm truly humbled :thumbsup:
He’s 1 of my faves. I could make a good 5 a side team out of who I like. Don’t hate them all
Post by: sam of the south on August 04, 2018, 05:29:01 PM
He’s 1 of my faves. I could make a good 5 a side team out of who I like. Don’t hate them all
I’m going to guess: Pickford, Coleman, Baines/Digne, Lookman, Richarlison
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on August 04, 2018, 05:34:36 PM
I’m going to guess: Pickford, Coleman, Baines/Digne, Lookman, Richarlison
Yeah probably that’s about right. Don’t mind Tosan or Walcott either. Lot of time for Jagielka too though he’s obviously over the hill now. Even sigurdsson under different circumstances (smaller fee and not signed as our playmaker)
Post by: SANA_DR0 on August 04, 2018, 06:45:54 PM
I'm only putting that number there because that's what the market dictates. People pay a premium for young English potential. Look at James Madison who went for £23m and has never played in the prem. ademola is worth as much as he should be - if not more.
that premium is only for English teams, selling English/premier league players abroad, that premium is subtracted :p
Post by: gizzblue on August 04, 2018, 06:49:26 PM
Yeah probably that’s about right. Don’t mind Tosan or Walcott either. Lot of time for Jagielka too though he’s obviously over the hill now. Even sigurdsson under different circumstances (smaller fee and not signed as our playmaker)
I'm now completely sold, your a big softie who loves a rant .
lolol
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on August 04, 2018, 06:51:01 PM
that premium is only for English teams, selling English/premier league players abroad, that premium is subtracted :p
But why would we accept that on a player we don’t want to lose.
Post by: SANA_DR0 on August 04, 2018, 07:02:22 PM
But why would we accept that on a player we don’t want to lose.
i dont want to lose him either, but some fans say he's not good..
he's hardly played for us,, so that reflects his value to RB, we cant just keep bumping up the price, when he really hasnt played for us.
Post by: Free Agent on August 04, 2018, 07:06:08 PM
i dont want to lose him either, but some fans say he's not good..
he's hardly played for us,, so that reflects his value to RB, we cant just keep bumping up the price, when he really hasnt played for us.
We bump up the price because we don’t want to sell, not because he hasn’t played for us
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on August 04, 2018, 07:19:19 PM
i dont want to lose him either, but some fans say he's not good..
he's hardly played for us,, so that reflects his value to RB, we cant just keep bumping up the price, when he really hasnt played for us.
Can do what we like if we don’t want to sell him
It’s absolutely not in our interests to let him go now or to Germany
We’ve struggled to get lots of players in so why sell 1 we want to keep now
Why sell to Germany when we won’t get the English premium
Why sell a player cheap cos he hasn’t played for us when we now intend to play him.
It’s absolutely the worst possible time to sell lookman.
Post by: Evertonian in NC on August 05, 2018, 11:20:17 PM
Post by: Audrey Horne on August 05, 2018, 11:37:09 PM
On the positive side, his body language looked encouraging yesterday (watched the match intently, looked keen to get onto the pitch), and the crowd's enormous support can only help.
Thought he looked sulky in my opinion.
Post by: Escla on August 05, 2018, 11:38:55 PM
Thought he looked sulky in my opinion.
He always does though.
Post by: Alanvideo on August 05, 2018, 11:41:24 PM
On the positive side, his body language looked encouraging yesterday (watched the match intently, looked keen to get onto the pitch), and the crowd's enormous support can only help.........................are you being sarcastic ? From my seat in the Main Stand he looked like he wasn't arsed when the subs were warming up . Got a good reception from the crowd though .
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on August 05, 2018, 11:51:27 PM
Post by: Silas on August 05, 2018, 11:54:07 PM
Post by: Trowel on August 06, 2018, 12:08:15 AM
Post by: bigmanbob on August 06, 2018, 12:52:14 AM
Maybe he can find sentiment in that we all also have felt like we wasted two years.A-fucking-men brother
If he wants to leave then his agent better drum up a business willing to pay up. If I was in charge I would accept nothing less than £30m or a fee of £20m with a 50% sell on fee and additional £5-7m if he runs out his contract without being sold.
Not going to be held hostage. If he doesn't like living in Liverpool he never should excepted our generous offer to come to the Premier League.
Post by: Trowel on August 06, 2018, 04:51:53 AM
However, Silva has insisted Ademola Lookman will not be leaving despite interest from RB Leipzig, where he enjoyed a successful loan spell last season. “He is our player and he stays,” the Everton manager said.
Post by: Bluedylan on August 06, 2018, 04:58:38 AM
https://amp.theguardian.com/football/2018/aug/05/marco-silva-everton-must-sign-central-defender-transfer-deadline
However, Silva has insisted Ademola Lookman will not be leaving despite interest from RB Leipzig, where he enjoyed a successful loan spell last season. “He is our player and he stays,” the Everton manager said.
I think that's quite definitive and consistent with the message that Brands/Silva have put across all summer. If he is sulking a bit, they'll back themselves to get past the window closing, involve the lad and show him that this club can be a good place for him.
Post by: Goaljira on August 06, 2018, 05:00:45 AM
https://amp.theguardian.com/football/2018/aug/05/marco-silva-everton-must-sign-central-defender-transfer-deadline
However, Silva has insisted Ademola Lookman will not be leaving despite interest from RB Leipzig, where he enjoyed a successful loan spell last season. “He is our player and he stays,” the Everton manager said.
Does anyone else read that as him saying aside from Holgate who's injured we haven't got a decent CB? Its true like, but for him to say it in an interview is surprising.
Post by: blargins on August 06, 2018, 05:04:14 AM
Does anyone else read that as him saying aside from Holgate who's injured we haven't got a decent CB? Its true like, but for him to say it in an interview is surprising.I read it as saying we only have three central defenders and one of them is injured.
Post by: Goaljira on August 06, 2018, 05:17:36 AM
I read it as saying we only have three central defenders and one of them is injured.
Ah okay.
Post by: American Evertonian on August 06, 2018, 05:17:53 AM
https://amp.theguardian.com/football/2018/aug/05/marco-silva-everton-must-sign-central-defender-transfer-deadline
However, Silva has insisted Ademola Lookman will not be leaving despite interest from RB Leipzig, where he enjoyed a successful loan spell last season. “He is our player and he stays,” the Everton manager said.
That took long enough
Post by: blargins on August 06, 2018, 05:19:06 AM
That took long enough
He'll be sold by Wednesday then.
Post by: Lincs Toffee on August 06, 2018, 06:45:01 AM
Post by: blargins on August 06, 2018, 07:18:21 AM
Post by: Ramjam on August 06, 2018, 08:11:48 AM
Post by: oztoffee on August 06, 2018, 11:41:21 AM
He seems to be a cancer within the club.How can you possibly know that? Everything on this thread is pure conjecture.
Post by: Ramjam on August 06, 2018, 02:17:30 PM
How can you possibly know that? Everything on this thread is pure conjecture.I didn’t say I know that i said he SEEMS to be.
Post by: Bluedylan on August 06, 2018, 02:28:31 PM
I didn’t say I know that i said he SEEMS to be.
Describing him as possibly a 'cancer' is way over the top. Pretty horrible way of describing a young lad who has got a few misgivings (in my opinion, understandably) about the club.
Post by: dazfrancis on August 06, 2018, 04:30:10 PM
He seems to be a cancer within the club. Can't be good having him around just like the Mirallas scenario, sell on deadline day when some desperate club will pay top dollar for him.Cancer is a bit extreme!
The lad hasn't done anything overtly unprofessional. His behaviour certainly doesn't warrant being called a cancer.
If he's being called a cancer in person or on social media by other blues then wanting to move away is totally understandable.
Post by: Macca77 on August 06, 2018, 04:41:58 PM
Post by: Brownie on August 06, 2018, 11:33:47 PM
https://twitter.com/joannaaicher/status/1026044068088958976?s=21
Fucking hell - that literally has no substance to it. The online version of my mate's mother's brother's ex's window cleaner said
Post by: Cozzie on August 06, 2018, 11:39:12 PM
Post by: BlueForYou on August 09, 2018, 02:52:24 AM
Post by: sam of the south on August 09, 2018, 02:58:24 AM
£30m asking price
Where’s this from?
Post by: BlueForYou on August 09, 2018, 03:34:03 AM
Wait 'till tomorrow
Post by: blargins on August 09, 2018, 04:44:47 AM
Post by: Redartin on August 09, 2018, 04:57:13 AM
I think we should lock him in st ruperts tower until deadline day.
Which one? Tomorrow or Germany's on Aug 31st?
Post by: Macca77 on August 09, 2018, 06:18:24 PM
Post by: blargins on August 09, 2018, 06:20:07 PM
https://twitter.com/SkySportsPL/status/1027513407958929414
I hope he's happy with the decision and doesn't sulk. Really needs to work hard to break into the team now.
Post by: SANA_DR0 on August 09, 2018, 06:20:26 PM
https://twitter.com/SkySportsPL/status/1027513407958929414
Great news.. its like a new signing :D
Post by: dekko on August 09, 2018, 06:25:55 PM
Post by: dunkster on August 09, 2018, 06:26:47 PM
Post by: blue slug on August 09, 2018, 06:30:08 PM
Post by: Mick 1995 on August 09, 2018, 06:30:49 PM
https://twitter.com/ALANMYERSMEDIA/status/1027516766220689411
Post by: Ramjam on August 09, 2018, 06:32:30 PM
Sky sources being the guy Alan Myers spoke to:Johnny come lately
https://twitter.com/ALANMYERSMEDIA/status/1027516766220689411
Post by: Lxxx on August 09, 2018, 06:34:32 PM
Post by: dangermouse on August 09, 2018, 06:48:34 PM
Post by: Gary1878 on August 09, 2018, 06:50:12 PM
Post by: BlueForYou on August 09, 2018, 07:47:46 PM
Post by: Bluedylan on August 09, 2018, 09:51:44 PM
Nah! Just good negotiating from Everton. Still think he will be sold.
I've no idea why you think that. Silva couldn't have been any clearer in saying that he's staying here and he's our player.
Post by: Evertonian in NC on August 09, 2018, 09:54:47 PM
£30m price tag, good move - by us
You missed the part where everyone decided I was insane for saying 30-35 (plus sell-on fee), minimum, last week. Glad management agreed 20m wasn't value at all, whether Bundesliga only pay that or nae.
Post by: BlueForYou on August 09, 2018, 09:56:12 PM
Post by: Gash on August 09, 2018, 10:10:00 PM
You missed the part where everyone decided I was insane for saying 30-35 (plus sell-on fee), minimum, last week. Glad management agreed 20m wasn't value at all, whether Bundesliga only pay that or nae.
You said £35m minimum but would prefer £40-£45m all of which was insane at the time and still is. Bottom line is the club have stuck to their guns with the "not for sale" line, the £20m asking price was purely press speculation anyway as no club makes public their selling price. No one else was kicking the door down for him either, never mind going remotely near your daft valuations.
Post by: sam of the south on August 10, 2018, 08:00:36 PM
That’s like something you say to a girl to ensure you get a blowie before the evening is over.
Post by: Fynci on August 10, 2018, 08:02:55 PM
Post by: blue slug on August 10, 2018, 08:05:38 PM
With the new signings it does seem like we have a lot of wide players, do you think he'll get a look in, or is it more likely that he'll be a bit part player (at best)?
I think both richarlison and Bernard could play in the middle behind cenk
Post by: Robioto on August 10, 2018, 08:16:24 PM
I think both richarlison and Bernard could play in the middle behind cenk
And Walcott can play up top too. So it seems 3 of our wingers are able to play in other positions which is good. I think the three behind Tosun will be dynamic and interchange a lot anyway.
Post by: Bluedylan on August 10, 2018, 08:20:10 PM
“He is our present and our future”
That’s like something you say to a girl to ensure you get a blowie before the evening is over.
Actually laughed out loud at that one, while walking round town. Cheers.
Post by: Mick 1995 on August 10, 2018, 08:21:13 PM
Post by: sam of the south on August 10, 2018, 08:21:41 PM
Actually laughed out loud at that one, while walking round town. Cheers.
Always at your service, big bro :hug:👊🏼
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on August 10, 2018, 08:22:31 PM
Post by: blargins on August 10, 2018, 09:52:17 PM
Post by: Jamokachi on August 11, 2018, 06:04:22 AM
It's up to the lad now to prove he has the tools to do the job now. 2 years and not a lot to show for it. He's now of age, but I don't think he's as good as Bernard, Walcott or Richarlison. Not yet at least.
18 months. 6 of which were spent at RBL, where I'd say he has plenty "to show for it".
Post by: Tinga on August 11, 2018, 06:49:11 AM
Post by: blargins on August 11, 2018, 07:10:49 AM
18 months. 6 of which were spent at RBL, where I'd say he has plenty "to show for it".Needs to show it here. Not bothered about the splash of form he had over there. Apart from a goal against city and that meaningless game in Europe he’s really struggled with us.
Hope he makes it but the onus is on him to prove it.
Post by: blargins on August 11, 2018, 07:34:50 AM
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/football/2018/aug/10/marco-silva-ademola-lookman-everton
Post by: Jamokachi on August 11, 2018, 11:23:29 AM
Needs to show it here. Not bothered about the splash of form he had over there. Apart from a goal against city and that meaningless game in Europe he’s really struggled with us.
Hope he makes it but the onus is on him to prove it.
That's a very ignorant view to take. We sent him out on loan to develop, and the evidence he has done just that. Yes he needs to take his chance, but he's a young kid who made a 2 league jump and got very few chances. He was handled poorly from the outset in terms of his development.
Post by: Confucius on August 11, 2018, 11:44:52 AM
That's a very ignorant view to take. We sent him out on loan to develop, and the evidence he has done just that. Yes he needs to take his chance, but he's a young kid who made a 2 league jump and got very few chances. He was handled poorly from the outset in terms of his development.
He thinks he is a top player or should be playing for a top side. I agree he needs minutes and he needs time but he thinks he is better than developing slowly and for that reason he doesn’t get the time or the patience from the fans to develop. He has to show it this season.
Post by: blargins on August 11, 2018, 01:04:28 PM
That's a very ignorant view to take. We sent him out on loan to develop, and the evidence he has done just that. Yes he needs to take his chance, but he's a young kid who made a 2 league jump and got very few chances. He was handled poorly from the outset in terms of his development.It’s the facts. And Silva said as much in that article I posted.
We also wanted to send him to Derby as he would have got more minutes there.
Post by: Juanito on August 11, 2018, 01:29:22 PM
It’s the facts. And Silva said as much in that article I posted.
We also wanted to send him to Derby as he would have got more minutes there.
So what if he would have got more minutes at Derby, he did well at Leipzig and scored goals in front of big crowds, training with top players day in day out. He proved himself at a top club and is seen as one of the best players for his age in the country. Good for him for having the confidence to go to Germany and challenge himself more than he would have to do at Derby County.
Post by: Jamokachi on August 11, 2018, 01:32:52 PM
The "he thinks he's better than he is" shouts are also just as daft.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on August 11, 2018, 02:28:14 PM
There doesn't need to be pressure on the lad. "Time to step up" is a ridiculous argument from you both. He's a young player that needs nurturing in order that he reaches his potential. Proper 'bloke down the pub' shout the whole "time to perform" bollocks.
The "he thinks he's better than he is" shouts are also just as daft.
He doesn’t seem to think anything that’s not true. It appears he wanted to play elsewhere but as they actually wanted him he’s obviously right to think he could play there
Like to see him start today (assuming a lot of our new players aren’t quite ready)
Good that we’ve got plenty of options in his postitions now so there’s not pressure for him to carry our attack
Post by: Goaljira on August 11, 2018, 02:35:24 PM
He doesn’t seem to think anything that’s not true. It appears he wanted to play elsewhere but as they actually wanted him he’s obviously right to think he could play there
Like to see him start today (assuming a lot of our new players aren’t quite ready)
Good that we’ve got plenty of options in his postitions now so there’s not pressure for him to carry our attack
I hope Walcott starts, tbh. Then give Lookman the last 20.
Post by: Martip on August 11, 2018, 02:53:39 PM
Just read this. Perfect assessment of the situation.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/football/2018/aug/10/marco-silva-ademola-lookman-everton
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Really good read that
Post by: Ross on August 11, 2018, 03:38:34 PM
Post by: pjk on August 11, 2018, 03:53:40 PM
Post by: blargins on August 11, 2018, 04:41:34 PM
There doesn't need to be pressure on the lad. "Time to step up" is a ridiculous argument from you both. He's a young player that needs nurturing in order that he reaches his potential. Proper 'bloke down the pub' shout the whole "time to perform" bollocks.So you disagree with Silva as well then? He said pretty much what I’m saying in the article I posted. The onus is now on Lookman to finally perform for us.
The "he thinks he's better than he is" shouts are also just as daft.
Really not sure what’s got your knickers in a twist of late. You’re being very defensive and argumentative in this thread and another thread too.
Post by: gizzblue on August 11, 2018, 05:34:04 PM
Post by: blargins on August 11, 2018, 05:43:31 PM
Cant believe people still think he should have gone to Derby.
Who said that?
Post by: blargins on August 11, 2018, 05:49:26 PM
So what if he would have got more minutes at Derby, he did well at Leipzig and scored goals in front of big crowds, training with top players day in day out. He proved himself at a top club and is seen as one of the best players for his age in the country. Good for him for having the confidence to go to Germany and challenge himself more than he would have to do at Derby County.
And fair dos for wanting to have a go at a foreign league. Takes a lot of courage to move country at that age.
He's with us though, and if he wants to be successful, it's in his hands and it's on him to do it. He has a lot of quality ahead of him which will hopefully push him to be better. Otherwise he'll find himself with not a lot of game time.
So yeah, the pressure and onus is on him. Is he up to the challenge?
Post by: Bluedylan on August 11, 2018, 05:52:10 PM
The fans gave him a good reception last week so hopefully that's a good step in the right direction.
Silva couldn't be any clearer in his desire to keep him and work with him, which tells me he thinks he could be a very good player.
Post by: blargins on August 11, 2018, 06:01:18 PM
As Silva says, the onus is on him.
Post by: TheRam on August 11, 2018, 06:12:47 PM
Post by: blargins on August 11, 2018, 06:21:29 PM
Still think he’s going.
It wouldn't surprise me if he did. Given the extra competition, it's a lot harder for him now compared to simply having Bolasie to compete with.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on August 11, 2018, 06:24:15 PM
Still think he’s going.
Surely there’s no chance he leaves in this window now. Silva would look a bit daft if he did (unless lookman forced his way out)
Post by: TheRam on August 11, 2018, 06:30:59 PM
Surely there’s no chance he leaves in this window now. Silva would look a bit daft if he did (unless lookman forced his way out)
He doesn’t want to be here.
He’ll try and force through a move and we’ll probably just end up accepting a big of 25mil.
Any money he’s not in the squad again today.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on August 11, 2018, 06:49:49 PM
He doesn’t want to be here.
He’ll try and force through a move and we’ll probably just end up accepting a big of 25mil.
Any money he’s not in the squad again today.
Think he’ll get some minutes today. We shall see
Post by: GLewis on August 11, 2018, 06:53:21 PM
If he’s not, then it’s because he’s not trying in training.
Post by: blargins on August 11, 2018, 06:56:35 PM
If he isn't given the lack of depth right now, it would be very telling.
Post by: TheRam on August 11, 2018, 10:35:43 PM
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Post by: brap2 on August 12, 2018, 01:53:18 AM
Post by: GLewis on August 12, 2018, 01:58:25 AM
So Lookman doesn’t make the bench and looks to be pushing for a move and Jagielka throws the game for us. How quickly things can change. Hopefully Mina is ready to step in next week.
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If Lookman isn’t making the bench it’s his own fault.
Can’t understand how lenient some people are with him given that he seemingly doesn’t want to be here.
Post by: Gash on August 12, 2018, 02:00:13 AM
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If Lookman isn’t making the bench it’s his own fault.
Can’t understand how lenient some people are with him given that he seemingly doesn’t want to be here.
I've never known someone to contribute so little yet generate so much support.
Post by: GLewis on August 12, 2018, 02:02:18 AM
I've never known someone to contribute so little yet generate so much support.
I can absolutely see from a personal point of view why he went to Leipzig.
But if it had been under a manager that people liked, Lookman would be being booted out the door by most for not complying with club wishes.
Post by: blargins on August 12, 2018, 02:05:35 AM
I've never known someone to contribute so little yet generate so much support.
But... but... Leipzig... he scored a few goals...
Post by: Lxxx on August 12, 2018, 02:11:48 AM
We’ve moved on in terms of quality. If he doesn’t feel up to the challenge then we’re better off without him.
Post by: Juanito on August 12, 2018, 02:35:04 AM
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If Lookman isn’t making the bench it’s his own fault.
Can’t understand how lenient some people are with him given that he seemingly doesn’t want to be here.
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? At what point did I say it’s not his fault?
Post by: GLewis on August 12, 2018, 02:39:13 AM
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If Lookman isn’t making the bench it’s his own fault.
Can’t understand how lenient some people are with him given that he seemingly doesn’t want to be here.
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? At what point did I say it’s not his fault?
You didn’t.
But it just seemed odd to mention that he didn’t make it and link it to someone costing the game.
Sorry if misinterpreted.
Post by: Juanito on August 12, 2018, 02:42:16 AM
You didn’t.
But it just seemed odd to mention that he didn’t make it and link it to someone costing the game.
Sorry if misinterpreted.
It was at the point Jags got sent off and I catastrophically thought everything was bad.
Post by: Jamokachi on August 12, 2018, 02:35:51 PM
So you disagree with Silva as well then? He said pretty much what I’m saying in the article I posted. The onus is now on Lookman to finally perform for us.
Really not sure what’s got your knickers in a twist of late. You’re being very defensive and argumentative in this thread and another thread too.
My knickers aren't in the slightest of twists. It's just sad to see so many people seemingly unwilling to acknowledge that some young players need love and support to reach their potential, and not be saddled with unnecessary pressure. We signed him from League 1 and there should be no expectations that he should be needing to prove himself on the 1st team scene so soon. I personally don't think it was just that he got game time at RBL, but he was really shown the love, made to feel wanted and given an opportunity to develop. He wasn't given that by Koeman or Alardyce, for various reasons.
Post by: Gash on August 12, 2018, 03:37:54 PM
My knickers aren't in the slightest of twists. It's just sad to see so many people seemingly unwilling to acknowledge that some young players need love and support to reach their potential, and not be saddled with unnecessary pressure. We signed him from League 1 and there should be no expectations that he should be needing to prove himself on the 1st team scene so soon. I personally don't think it was just that he got game time at RBL, but he was really shown the love, made to feel wanted and given an opportunity to develop. He wasn't given that by Koeman or Alardyce, for various reasons.
People need to stop blaming Allardyce and Koeman for the current situation though, they're gone. He's getting the arm round him now, Brands and Silva have both talked him up and said he's very much in their plans yet he still apparently wants to go.
It's up to him to fight for a place in the team, if he hasn't got the stomach for that and wants to move everytime he's not getting games then he's not going to get far. The funny thing is people keep using age as his defence yet he's only 5 months younger than Richarlison and about 8 months older than Tom Davies, so it's not pressure from the outside that's being put on him, there's players the same age and younger who are doing better than him, only he can address that.
Post by: Jamokachi on August 12, 2018, 04:02:25 PM
People need to stop blaming Allardyce and Koeman for the current situation though, they're gone. He's getting the arm round him now, Brands and Silva have both talked him up and said he's very much in their plans yet he still apparently wants to go.
It's up to him to fight for a place in the team, if he hasn't got the stomach for that and wants to move everytime he's not getting games then he's not going to get far. The funny thing is people keep using age as his defence yet he's only 5 months younger than Richarlison and about 8 months older than Tom Davies, so it's not pressure from the outside that's being put on him, there's players the same age and younger who are doing better than him, only he can address that.
Well Koeman and Allardyce are specifically the reason we find ourselves in this position, particularly the latter. He seems to be the type that needs an arm around the shoulder, and neither of those offered that. So yes, we can continue to blame them, it's their doing.
What's to suggest he hasn't the stomach for it? He fought for his place at RBL? It's not as though he went there and walked into the team, he earned it. And because he did so, can he really be blamed to see there as a better place to develop his game?
Age is completely a factor. Players develop at different rates. Rooney was ready at 16, Osman at 24. Because he's around the same age as Davies and Richarlison should have no bearing on how we judge him. All that we know is that he has raw talent and we have the opportunity to potentially develop him into a top player.
Post by: BlueForYou on August 12, 2018, 04:21:31 PM
Post by: Gash on August 12, 2018, 04:31:43 PM
Well Koeman and Allardyce are specifically the reason we find ourselves in this position, particularly the latter. He seems to be the type that needs an arm around the shoulder, and neither of those offered that. So yes, we can continue to blame them, it's their doing.
Your point was he wasn't getting the arm put round him, he is now and what went on before should have a line drawn under it. It's just a convenient excuse for people.
What's to suggest he hasn't the stomach for it? He fought for his place at RBL? It's not as though he went there and walked into the team, he earned it. And because he did so, can he really be blamed to see there as a better place to develop his game?
I'm only speculating but going by Silva's comments he's said it's up to the player to show he's ready to play and regardless of the players signed he will play if he's good enough and doing enough, so he's been given assurances he'll play and is getting the arm round him but still doesn't want to be here.
Age is completely a factor. Players develop at different rates. Rooney was ready at 16, Osman at 24. Because he's around the same age as Davies and Richarlison should have no bearing on how we judge him. All that we know is that he has raw talent and we have the opportunity to potentially develop him into a top player.
We've a 50 odd page thread full of people telling us how good he is and using every excuse under the sun to defend him, if he's that good, or potentially that good then he's way ahead of Osman in his development and nearer to Rooney on some people's rating. Every week there's people moaning that he's not starting or in the squad(now and pre RB loan), he's been massively hyped and if anything the pressure's coming from people who rate him rather than the likes of Blarg saying he needs to step up, so for that reason he'll get compared to people of a similar age.
He obviously wants to leave, again Silva said it's up to him to make him happy again, that for me's a fairly clear suggestion that he's not happy at the moment.
I'd loan him out again and see how it goes but I don't really mind if we just sell him and move on, as said I don't remember such small contributor getting so much support. We've too much to look forward to rather than be worrying about Lookman and having Silva asked about him every week.
Post by: AllyBlue14 on August 12, 2018, 04:36:52 PM
Well Koeman and Allardyce are specifically the reason we find ourselves in this position, particularly the latter. He seems to be the type that needs an arm around the shoulder, and neither of those offered that. So yes, we can continue to blame them, it's their doing.
What's to suggest he hasn't the stomach for it? He fought for his place at RBL? It's not as though he went there and walked into the team, he earned it. And because he did so, can he really be blamed to see there as a better place to develop his game?
Age is completely a factor. Players develop at different rates. Rooney was ready at 16, Osman at 24. Because he's around the same age as Davies and Richarlison should have no bearing on how we judge him. All that we know is that he has raw talent and we have the opportunity to potentially develop him into a top player.
Bit like blaming your current girlfriend for your ex's failings, though. Let it go. If that's his mentality then he's better off leaving for all concerned, because when will he move on? Similarly for the fans - it was a bleak time for us but we (and the players) have to learn the lessons, draw a line and give Silva and Brands the chance to rebuild.
As for RBL, he'd made a point of going there, against the club's wishes - the least he could do is make an effort to earn his place. In reality, I think the club probably wanted to try out their loan signing and he took his chance when it came.
Post by: Jamokachi on August 12, 2018, 04:44:34 PM
Your point was he wasn't getting the arm put round him, he is now and what went on before should have a line drawn under it. It's just a convenient excuse for people.
I'm only speculating but going by Silva's comments he's said it's up to the player to show he's ready to play and regardless of the players signed he will play if he's good enough and doing enough, so he's been given assurances he'll play and is getting the arm round him but still doesn't want to be here.
We've a 50 odd page thread full of people telling us how good he is and using every excuse under the sun to defend him, if he's that good, or potentially that good then he's way ahead of Osman in his development and nearer to Rooney on some people's rating. Every week there's people moaning that he's not starting or in the squad(now and pre RB loan), he's been massively hyped and if anything the pressure's coming from people who rate him rather than the likes of Blarg saying he needs to step up, so for that reason he'll get compared to people of a similar age.
He obviously wants to leave, again Silva said it's up to him to make him happy again, that for me's a fairly clear suggestion that he's not happy at the moment.
I'd loan him out again and see how it goes but I don't really mind if we just sell him and move on, as said I don't remember such small contributor getting so much support. We've too much to look forward to rather than be worrying about Lookman and having Silva asked about him every week.
It's not a convenient excuse Gash, it's pointing out what happened. Marco et all might now be that arm around the shoulder, but it's only been a few weeks, so it's understandable that the lad doesn't feel 'a part of Everton'. It's the management's job to make that happen with new players, and it obviously wasn't the case here.
Look, I don't mind if he stays or goes. We have better than him so he won't be missed. It'll be sad that he hasn't reached his potential with us, but if that's the case so be it. I'm not offering excuses, simply painting the picture as I see it with the evidence at our disposal.
What I've taken issue with in this thread is individuals suggesting it's time for him to "step up to the plate" as though he's a seasoned pro who has failed to live up to expectations. He's got a lot of developing to do, and people should acknowledge that, whilst affording him the time to do so.
Post by: gizzblue on August 12, 2018, 04:45:04 PM
Post by: Jamokachi on August 12, 2018, 04:47:49 PM
Bit like blaming your current girlfriend for your ex's failings, though. Let it go. If that's his mentality then he's better off leaving for all concerned, because when will he move on? Similarly for the fans - it was a bleak time for us but we (and the players) have to learn the lessons, draw a line and give Silva and Brands the chance to rebuild.
As for RBL, he'd made a point of going there, against the club's wishes - the least he could do is make an effort to earn his place. In reality, I think the club probably wanted to try out their loan signing and he took his chance when it came.
Far more at stake for Lookman than us fans getting over those two managers. This is the lads career, we're fans regardless. So that's a moot point really.
Well of course RBL are going to try out their loan players, why else take them. You're repeating my point, he took his chance when he was given it. What are you getting at here?
Post by: Jamokachi on August 12, 2018, 04:48:52 PM
We have just seen true potential tear it up yesterday .....in every way better than Lookman at pretty much the same age .....if he's still adamant on moaning a move fuck him off for a huge fee or let him rot in the u23's ...I'm starting to realize he's nowhere near where he could/should be anyway .. .and we're not short in these areas now .
Bitterest blue I've ever come across you. You're probably the reason for the tag.
Post by: gizzblue on August 12, 2018, 04:54:50 PM
Bitterest blue I've ever come across you. You're probably the reason for the tag.
Oh bravo more quality posting from the nsno self appointed mothercare bully . lolol ...
you attack the lads in here so much I'm beginning to think your a klopp loving kopite . lolol
Post by: BlueForYou on August 12, 2018, 04:56:24 PM
Post by: Jamokachi on August 12, 2018, 04:57:16 PM
Oh bravo more quality posting from the nsno self appointed mothercare bully . lolol ...
you attack the lads in here so much I'm beginning to think your a klopp loving kopite . lolol
Standard.
Post by: Lxxx on August 12, 2018, 04:58:41 PM
Post by: BlueForYou on August 12, 2018, 05:00:29 PM
Post by: AllyBlue14 on August 12, 2018, 05:44:04 PM
Far more at stake for Lookman than us fans getting over those two managers. This is the lads career, we're fans regardless. So that's a moot point really.
Well of course RBL are going to try out their loan players, why else take them. You're repeating my point, he took his chance when he was given it. What are you getting at here?
He's employed by the club, who want him to stay. He's not even given Silva a chance - fair enough if it gets to January and he still hasn't played, call Silva out on it. But if he's intent on leaving, stop fannying about and hand in a transfer request.
As for the other point, you were making out as if he'd had a Niasse-like turnaround - written off but turned out round against the odds. Ok, maybe not quite as dramatic, but I wouldn't say he did anything particularly out the ordinary to fight for his place.
I'm not having that he can't see a drastic change in how things are run at Everton now. Plus, I would add that we acceded to his request to join RBL in the first place - albeit against our wishes - so that should indicate that we're invested in his development. But it obviously means nothing to him, he's made up his mind.
Post by: AllyBlue14 on August 12, 2018, 05:56:35 PM
What I've taken issue with in this thread is individuals suggesting it's time for him to "step up to the plate" as though he's a seasoned pro who has failed to live up to expectations. He's got a lot of developing to do, and people should acknowledge that, whilst affording him the time to do so.To this I'd say people recognise that he has a lot of developing to do & he has plenty of support from fans. Equally, he seems to want first team football (fair enough, perhaps). But in order to make it into the first team, he clearly needs to show more than he already is in training. It's a 2 way thing - the onus isn't just on the club to make him a better player.
I think his best chance with us went last season, went he left on loan. He should've played instead of Bolasie - whether that's his fault for not performing in training, or Allardyce's fault for not giving him a chance, we can only speculate. Currently, I think we have better options in his position and from his point of view, he clearly sees more of a chance at RBL.
Post by: dunkster on August 12, 2018, 06:04:35 PM
Post by: Dr. Sponge on August 12, 2018, 06:05:04 PM
Post by: Tinga on August 12, 2018, 06:06:06 PM
Post by: Lxxx on August 12, 2018, 09:42:45 PM
Post by: Shogun on August 13, 2018, 09:10:23 AM
Silva was asked if Lookman has been left out of the squad because of an injury but the Everton boss replied: “Not injured. My decision."
Post by: blargins on August 13, 2018, 09:52:01 AM
Post by: blargins on August 13, 2018, 09:52:57 AM
Or you know, we keep him as who else is going to play instead of Richalison?Bernard.
Sounds like his attitude is shot though if Shoguns post is anything to go by.
Post by: Free Agent on August 13, 2018, 12:08:43 PM
If he goes, he goes, but only when Django says so :wag:
Post by: Jimmywhack on August 13, 2018, 03:01:17 PM
Striking to get his move apparently
Ah well, In a bit lad
Post by: Shogun on August 13, 2018, 03:19:06 PM
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/marco-silva-reveals-reason-behind-15021524.amp?__twitter_impression=true
Striking to get his move apparently
Ah well, In a bit lad
Either that or Silva just thought his head wasn’t in it.
Post by: Escla on August 13, 2018, 03:20:05 PM
Post by: stirlingblue on August 13, 2018, 03:25:31 PM
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/marco-silva-reveals-reason-behind-15021524.amp?__twitter_impression=true
Striking to get his move apparently
Ah well, In a bit lad
Eh? That article doesn’t saying anything about him striking
Post by: Alanvideo on August 13, 2018, 03:33:42 PM
Post by: Escla on August 13, 2018, 03:38:51 PM
Has any other club apart from Leipzig shown any interest in Lookman ? just asking like.
Not that I’m aware of and I’m sure we would have heard if an English club were in for him, strange really, you would have thought that his agent would have put it out there to generate some interest ?
Post by: Ramjam on August 13, 2018, 03:43:51 PM
Post by: Escla on August 13, 2018, 03:57:17 PM
Loan to Derby it is then
Would do him the world of good, become a star player there then come back next year and fight for a place.
Post by: TheRam on August 13, 2018, 03:58:57 PM
Would do him the world of good, become a star player there then come back next year and fight for a place.
Why would he make the drop down when he’s already proven himself at a higher level?
Post by: Escla on August 13, 2018, 04:04:49 PM
Why would he make the drop down when he’s already proven himself at a higher level?
He might of proven himself in a league that has two dominant teams and a load of dross and if that’s where he wants to stay then up to him, should just put in a transfer request, we take the 20 mill and move on.
Post by: Bluedylan on August 13, 2018, 04:16:17 PM
He might of proven himself in a league that has two dominant teams and a load of dross and if that’s where he wants to stay then up to him, should just put in a transfer request, we take the 20 mill and move on.
That's spectacularly dismissive of the Bundesliga.
Post by: TheRam on August 13, 2018, 04:19:04 PM
He might of proven himself in a league that has two dominant teams and a load of dross and if that’s where he wants to stay then up to him, should just put in a transfer request, we take the 20 mill and move on.
I don’t want to have this discussion again, but can we stop calling every league outside the premier league dross for absolute fucks sake.
Anyway, yeah, just sell him now. Have that 20/25 mil in the pot for January to get somebody better.
Post by: van der Meyde on August 13, 2018, 04:21:39 PM
Not that I’m aware of and I’m sure we would have heard if an English club were in for him, strange really, you would have thought that his agent would have put it out there to generate some interest ?Not if the reason he wants to move is because he thinks not only is he likely to get more minutes at Leipzig but also that he's moving to a better team which will regularly compete in Europe.
There's no team in England that fulfils both of those requirements. Clubs lower down the table will know that he's not interested in moving there permanently. Similarly for most of the clubs above us because he's not at that level yet.
It's not really unusual that there aren't links/rumours of other teams really.
Post by: Escla on August 13, 2018, 04:21:57 PM
That's spectacularly dismissive of the Bundesliga.
Yes, not intended to be that extreme, just meant it’s a less competitive league than the Premier League
but sentiment the same, if he wants to go there he should just put in a transfer request and I’m sure that the club will facilitate it. Lukaku took a drop down from Chelsea to West Brom and us before hitting the big time.
Post by: Ramjam on August 13, 2018, 04:37:41 PM
Why would he make the drop down when he's already proven himself at a higher level?I think the lad needs a reality check, reading between the lines it seems like he’s got an attitude problem, not good enough to be a regular starter for us or any team above us but seemingly to good to play for a team below our level in the prem or championship
Post by: brap2 on August 13, 2018, 05:00:03 PM
Richarlison Tosun Lozano
Bernard
That’s a 3-season-in master league line up that.
Post by: Ross on August 13, 2018, 05:11:27 PM
Post by: brap2 on August 13, 2018, 05:17:08 PM
Post by: Lazarou on August 13, 2018, 05:19:32 PM
disclaimer: I personally have no knowledge if he wants away.
Post by: Lxxx on August 13, 2018, 05:21:23 PM
It's only when you look at it like this that our actual spend (not to be a net spend wanker) by the end of the month could well be buttons in Premier League terms if we're successful in moving players on. Take my hat off to Brands for this, shows the value in having a guy in the job who has actually done the role before.
Post by: gizzblue on August 13, 2018, 05:23:27 PM
Feels like people have no patience with young players anymore.
Think our fingers got burnt with Ross tbh ....so we now have little or no time for people who don't wanna be here ...although we dont know the full story on Mola its not looking good after what Marco is saying .
Post by: Escla on August 13, 2018, 05:26:42 PM
Feels like people have no patience with young players anymore.
Sorry but to me it seems like young player doesn’t have patience anymore with club that brought him up two divisions.
Post by: Ross on August 13, 2018, 05:31:59 PM
Yes, we should be patient while he engineers a move away from the club.
We’ve seen it before, been the other club as well, with more senior players and got past it. Think most acknowledge he’s a talented lad with a lot of potential, why wouldn’t you want to see him do well in blue?
Not like hes disappeared off on holiday and refusing to train or something.
Think our fingers got burnt with Ross tbh ....so we now have little or no time for people who don't wanna be here ...although we dont know the full story on Mola its not looking good after what Marco is saying.
Don’t think Silva has said much though has he? All I’ve read is he’s our player and staying, pretty standard stuff for a player linked with a move away really.
Post by: Ross on August 13, 2018, 05:44:09 PM
Sorry but to me it seems like young player doesn’t have patience anymore with club that brought him up two divisions.
Say he does feel he’s better moving on who could blame him when we’ve spent about £70-90m on wingers since he came to the club himself? Even our record signing came in an played in his position and he’s never a winger.
Think it’s fair to say he’s a talented young lad with a lot of potential, why not hope to see the best of that here?
Post by: Waltzer on August 13, 2018, 05:50:10 PM
Post by: Escla on August 13, 2018, 05:50:25 PM
Say he does feel he’s better moving on who could blame him when we’ve spent about £70-90m on wingers since he came to the club himself? Even our record signing came in an played in his position and he’s never a winger.
Think it’s fair to say he’s a talented young lad with a lot of potential, why not hope to see the best of that here?
Not a great believer in forlorn hope, of course I would have liked to see him succeed here but I don’t believe he has the patience to work hard and seize the chance when it comes along, he wants away so just needs to put in a transfer request and he can go.
Post by: Ross on August 13, 2018, 05:55:43 PM
Not a great believer in forlorn hope, of course I would have liked to see him succeed here but I don’t believe he has the patience to work hard and seize the chance when it comes along, he wants away so just needs to put in a transfer request and he can go.
For a person who seems to spend a great deal of his time on here demanding “proof” you're basing a lot of this on no evidence it seems.
Post by: Escla on August 13, 2018, 05:58:02 PM
For a person who seems to spend a great deal of his time on here demanding “proof” you're basing a lot of this on no evidence it seems.
Haven’t got a clue what you are talking about here so why don’t you just leave it.
Post by: AllyBlue14 on August 13, 2018, 05:59:59 PM
Id be tempted to offer him a new contract then send him out on loan as I cant see him getting much game time at all
Problem with a new contract might be a) he wouldn't want to sign it and b) if he did sign it and presumably increase his wages, we'd probably put ourselves in a position where we would either have to subsidise a loan move because the other team can't afford/don't want to pay his wages, or keep hold of a player who is just a money drain because we're not even playing them (and we already have two of those in his position with Bolasie and Sandro, not to mention Mirallas, when he inevitably returns, and others such as McCarthy, Besic etc.).
Post by: Ross on August 13, 2018, 06:08:07 PM
Haven’t got a clue what you are talking about here so why don’t you just leave it.
Well you said he won’t work hard, you said he won’t seize his chance, you said he wants away and you said we’d let him go if he put in a transfer request. But there’s no evidence to back any of that up really is there.
Post by: TheRam on August 13, 2018, 06:10:40 PM
Post by: Jimmywhack on August 13, 2018, 06:15:22 PM
Think it’s pretty obvious that he’s downed tools in training myself.Well that's the rumour and he refused to travel
Post by: Escla on August 13, 2018, 06:17:03 PM
Well you said he won’t work hard, you said he won’t seize his chance, you said he wants away and you said we’d let him go if he put in a transfer request. But there’s no evidence to back any of that up really is there.
I didn’t say he won’t work hard, I said I DONT BELIEVE HE HAS THE PATIENCE TO WORK HARD = my personal opinion, others may have a different opinion.
Rangnick has said in numerous tweets/interviews that “we want to make it a permanent signing and so does Ademola” I have not seen a refutal of this claim from Lookman, have you ?
Post by: van der Meyde on August 13, 2018, 06:21:30 PM
Show the likes of Richarlison and Pickford etc that kicking up a fuss isn't enough to get you a move.
The buying club actually needs to offer enough money first.
Post by: gizzblue on August 13, 2018, 06:30:00 PM
We’ve seen it before, been the other club as well, with more senior players and got past it. Think most acknowledge he’s a talented lad with a lot of potential, why wouldn’t you want to see him do well in blue?
Not like hes disappeared off on holiday and refusing to train or something.
Don’t think Silva has said much though has he? All I’ve read is he’s our player and staying, pretty standard stuff for a player linked with a move away really.
Left out Silvas choice (stated) ..doesnt fill with confidence ...when he went on to say Dowell was left out due to numbers .
Post by: blargins on August 13, 2018, 06:31:51 PM
Given I rate the lad, I'd like to see the club make a stand on this one.
Show the likes of Richarlison and Pickford etc that kicking up a fuss isn't enough to get you a move.
The buying club actually needs to offer enough money first.
This.
Leipzig want him that bad, they need to pay what we want.
He wants the move that bad, he must submit a transfer request.
Whatever happens, it sounds like he's screwed this season up for himself at least. Minimal appearances in pre-season, not getting games at all, so will be rusty for a good few months. So even if he does get his move, it's going to be a while before he gets up to speed.
Kind of like Swansea and Sigurddson last season.
Post by: Ross on August 13, 2018, 06:31:58 PM
I didn’t say he won’t work hard, I said I DONT BELIEVE HE HAS THE PATIENCE TO WORK HARD = my personal opinion, others may have a different opinion.
Rangnick has said in numerous tweets/interviews that “we want to make it a permanent signing and so does Ademola” I have not seen a refutal of this claim from Lookman, have you ?
And you’ve no evidence to back up the claim that he won’t work hard or seize his opportunity. In fact if anything the successful loan and public statements of intent from RB are a fair indication he is willing to work hard and seize an opportunity if and when it comes along.
I’d have thought Lookman saying nothing is proof enough you of all people wouldn’t be jumping to conclusions. But also don’t you think it’s much better to hear nothing off a player in cases like these rather then there family members or agents running to the media every other week belittling the club?
Post by: Ross on August 13, 2018, 06:36:39 PM
Left out Silvas choice (stated) ..doesnt fill with confidence ...when he went on to say Dowell was left out due to numbers .
Don’t think he’s had much of a pre season has he given the injury?
Post by: TheRam on August 13, 2018, 06:40:27 PM
Don’t think he’s had much of a pre season has he given the injury?
What injury?
Post by: gizzblue on August 13, 2018, 06:43:30 PM
Don’t think he’s had much of a pre season has he given the injury?
To his ego????....or is it his titty lip?...
Was he even injured?..... or is that more gueswork by the press?.
Post by: Audrey Horne on August 13, 2018, 06:44:48 PM
Don’t think he’s had much of a pre season has he given the injury?
Come on now Ross. You can make an intelligent guess for why he has been left out. If he was coming back from injury (which i dont think there ever was) then Silva would have just said that.
Post by: Lxxx on August 13, 2018, 06:48:31 PM
And you’ve no evidence to back up the claim that he won’t work hard or seize his opportunity. In fact if anything the successful loan and public statements of intent from RB are a fair indication he is willing to work hard and seize an opportunity if and when it comes along.
I’d have thought Lookman saying nothing is proof enough you of all people wouldn’t be jumping to conclusions. But also don’t you think it’s much better to hear nothing off a player in cases like these rather then there family members or agents running to the media every other week belittling the club?
Him and his family will probably have been told to keep their mouths shut in light of of jeopardising the payment(s) players forfeit when they make it clear they would like to leave the club. Or give him the benefit of the doubt he doesn't want to air this in public.
There is enough noise around this situation though to indicate there is something going on and the fact both Silva and Brands have both stated they want to keep him but we still aren't seeing him an Everton shirt means there is clearly an issue.
Appreciate you are sticking up for the lad and trying to add some balance but all the evidence, even if circumstantial, points to him wanting to leave and go to Germany.
Post by: Escla on August 13, 2018, 06:51:17 PM
Don’t think he’s had much of a pre season has he given the injury?
Have you any proof that he was injured ?
Post by: Ross on August 13, 2018, 07:08:27 PM
What injury?
Happened after we played the Austrian pub team.
To his ego????....or is it his titty lip?...
Was he even injured?..... or is that more gueswork by the press?.
Yeah Silva said he took a knock.
Come on now Ross. You can make an intelligent guess for why he has been left out. If he was coming back from injury (which i dont think there ever was) then Silva would have just said that.
Silva did say it.
Have you any proof that he was injured ?
Haha now you’re back to being a stickler about proof! Here you go straight from Silva.
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-winger-theo-walcott-expected-14927018
Post by: TheRam on August 13, 2018, 07:14:12 PM
Happened after we played the Austrian pub team.
Yeah Silva said he took a knock.
Silva did say it.
Haha now you’re back to being a stickler about proof! Here you go straight from Silva.
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-winger-theo-walcott-expected-14927018
A slight knock that occurred early in pre-season.
I’m not sure that would’ve been enough to keep him out up until Saturday, or even the pre-season games.
Post by: GLewis on August 13, 2018, 07:16:48 PM
The only reason anyone might have mentioned losing patience or saying it’d be time to step up to the plate etc is because he’s seemingly set on going to Leipzig.
That’s fine from his point of view they’re a decent club/ team and he seemingly will get more games there than here.
But it’s not good from our point of view and that’s his choice.
Post by: Ross on August 13, 2018, 07:18:51 PM
A slight knock that occurred early in pre-season.
I’m not sure that would’ve been enough to keep him out up until Saturday, or even the pre-season games.
Did Walcott get any more minutes than him pre season?
Post by: Bluedylan on August 13, 2018, 07:39:21 PM
People might say they are just keeping his price as high as possible, which is plausible, but everything we've heard from them both has suggested they would prefer to keep him and improve him.
If they're happy to do that, despite this speculation about his attitude not being amazing, I'm more than happy to trust that judgement. Lookman might not see it now, but Silva's apparent attention to detail and intense training sessions could be good for his development.
Post by: gizzblue on August 13, 2018, 07:50:38 PM
Happened after we played the Austrian pub team.
Yeah Silva said he took a knock.
Silva did say it.
Haha now you’re back to being a stickler about proof! Here you go straight from Silva.
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-winger-theo-walcott-expected-14927018
A slight knock now takes three weeks to heal :thumbsup: ...I smell a rat .
Post by: 74Blue on August 13, 2018, 08:21:59 PM
It seems like Silva and Brands want to keep him, which I suppose is the most important thing.The funny thing is that the ones that they have already identified as surplis to requirements have either been shipped out or told that they have no future, so if they were looking to offload him, would they not have been a little morr open to dicussing RB's concrete offer on the table, or at least give them a price to start from?
People might say they are just keeping his price as high as possible, which is plausible, but everything we've heard from them both has suggested they would prefer to keep him and improve him.
If they're happy to do that, despite this speculation about his attitude not being amazing, I'm more than happy to trust that judgement. Lookman might not see it now, but Silva's apparent attention to detail and intense training sessions could be good for his development.
Post by: Toddacelli on August 13, 2018, 08:30:56 PM
Glad the season has started so we can see actions speak louder than words.
I'm not ready to read too much into him not starting the first game when we have too many in the squad, recent new additions and a new manager who has yet to see how his players perform for real in the PL.
Post by: everton1952 on August 13, 2018, 08:30:57 PM
Post by: blargins on August 13, 2018, 09:33:29 PM
A slight knock now takes three weeks to heal :thumbsup: ...I smell a rat .
Walcott had his foot in a cast or one of those boot things over the summer. That sounds more than just a knock which is all Lookman apparently has. I see Walcott played Saturday.
Post by: Evertonian in NC on August 13, 2018, 09:38:53 PM
I care about how much it would cost Everton to replace a promising young winger of Lookman's calibre (who we clearly do NOT want to lose), and our own internal valuation.
We will not be bullied into selling on the cheap. End of.
Post by: stirlingblue on August 13, 2018, 09:48:19 PM
Post by: Alanvideo on August 13, 2018, 09:51:17 PM
Walcott had his foot in a cast or one of those boot things over the summer. That sounds more than just a knock which is all Lookman apparently has. I see Walcott played Saturday.................who said Lookman has a knock ? he was fit enough to come on as sub v. Valencia even though he didn't look arsed . He looked like a moody kid who din't want to join in the game.
Post by: blargins on August 13, 2018, 10:35:34 PM
................who said Lookman has a knock ? he was fit enough to come on as sub v. Valencia even though he didn't look arsed . He looked like a moody kid who din't want to join in the game.
It was the excuse branded all summer for Lookman's lack of minutes.
Only a couple more weeks until this is resolved one way or the other.
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Post by: sam of the south on August 13, 2018, 10:50:55 PM
If you look at the footage of Silva being introduced to the crowd before the Valencia game, Lookman is sat on the back row with his arms folded. Everyone else is clapping Silva, he looks like someone just slapped him.
Really?
That’s pretty unnecessary if true; Silva hasn’t wronged him in any way, he should be gracious and clap like everyone else.
Post by: Escla on August 13, 2018, 10:52:55 PM
Really?
That’s pretty unnecessary if true; Silva hasn’t wronged him in any way, he should be gracious and clap like everyone else.
You would expect that kind of behaviour from an eight year old.
Post by: sam of the south on August 13, 2018, 10:55:22 PM
You would expect that kind of behaviour from an eight year old.
Yeah, as I said, if all the other players on the bench were applauding and he wasn’t, then that is pretty unneccesary.
Post by: Juanito on August 13, 2018, 11:04:07 PM
If you look at the footage of Silva being introduced to the crowd before the Valencia game, Lookman is sat on the back row with his arms folded. Everyone else is clapping Silva, he looks like someone just slapped him.
I saw that and the look on his face like he had just been given a detention. Then seeing him not in squad speaks volumes unfortunately.
Post by: blueToffee on August 13, 2018, 11:04:52 PM
It's surely now just a case of whether we're serious about keeping him and accepting the process of turning this situation around...or if we're going to sell him by the end of the European window. I think given the late recruitment, the latter is more likely.
Post by: Gary1878 on August 13, 2018, 11:42:19 PM
He has the talent to be something special, but talent doesn't mean shit if you don't work your balls off and have the mental strength alongside it when things aren't going your way.
Post by: Juanito on August 14, 2018, 01:26:29 AM
He is either a stubborn, immature boy, or is being advised poorly by his agent. He needs to stop thinking about a move and get his head down and start performing.
He has the talent to be something special, but talent doesn't mean shit if you don't work your balls off and have the mental strength alongside it when things aren't going your way.
OR he had a bad experience here under Koeman/Allardyce- had a great experience at Leipzig and wants to move there, despite changes here. If his heart is there and it feels right for him, we should sell with a buy back clause like Barce do with us. The Allardyce treatment was embarrassing and unprofessional - unfortunately, that might have solidified it for him.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on August 14, 2018, 01:29:29 AM
OR he had a bad experience here under Koeman/Allardyce- had a great experience at Leipzig and wants to move there, despite changes here. If his heart is there and it feels right for him, we should sell with a buy back clause like Barce do with us. The Allardyce treatment was embarrassing and unprofessional - unfortunately, that might have solidified it for him.
What’s the point of a buy back clause when he will have no intention of playing here again? It would be worthless
If he wants a move then he needs to hand a transfer request in and we need to get the fee we think he’s worth
I’ve zero respect for someone who wants a move but won’t hand a transfer request in because they want their loyalty bonuses too. It’s practically fraud
Post by: Juanito on August 14, 2018, 02:47:13 AM
What’s the point of a buy back clause when he will have no intention of playing here again? It would be worthless
If he wants a move then he needs to hand a transfer request in and we need to get the fee we think he’s worth
I’ve zero respect for someone who wants a move but won’t hand a transfer request in because they want their loyalty bonuses too. It’s practically fraud
Steady on now, don’t know he has no intention of playing here again.
Post by: Silas on August 14, 2018, 03:46:57 AM
Post by: Gash on August 14, 2018, 04:36:05 AM
I care about how much it would cost Everton to replace a promising young winger of Lookman's calibre (who we clearly do NOT want to lose), and our own internal valuation.
It doesn't cost a penny. You don't need to replace a player who has a handful of starts and hasn't played in the first team in 2018 other than brief run out a preseason.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on August 14, 2018, 04:42:04 AM
Steady on now, don’t know he has no intention of playing here again.
Well it’s extremely unlikely that he’ll force his way out and then be happy to come back
Post by: blargins on August 14, 2018, 04:49:28 AM
OR he had a bad experience here under Koeman/Allardyce- had a great experience at Leipzig and wants to move there, despite changes here. If his heart is there and it feels right for him, we should sell with a buy back clause like Barce do with us. The Allardyce treatment was embarrassing and unprofessional - unfortunately, that might have solidified it for him.
We ALL had a bad experience under Koeman/Allardyce (and we didn't get the luxury of going out on loan when Fat Boy was in charge), but none of us even thought for one second about leaving the club.
Neither do any of us get paid thousands each week to be part of it in some way.
He should thank his lucky fucking stars he has some semblance of a choice, because none of us poor bastards here do!
Post by: nsno on August 14, 2018, 04:58:14 AM
I don't give a tin shit about how much German teams usually bid on players.We've already replaced him with a young winger of a better calibre than lookman, he's a young Brazilian lad called richarlison. If lookman wants out let him go, other than a few glimpses of his potential he's not offered anything to suggest he's as good as some on here make him out to be.
I care about how much it would cost Everton to replace a promising young winger of Lookman's calibre (who we clearly do NOT want to lose), and our own internal valuation.
We will not be bullied into selling on the cheap. End of.
If we got north of 25m I'd snap the Germans hands off.
Post by: Jamokachi on August 14, 2018, 09:43:53 AM
We ALL had a bad experience under Koeman/Allardyce (and we didn't get the luxury of going out on loan when Fat Boy was in charge), but none of us even thought for one second about leaving the club.
Neither do any of us get paid thousands each week to be part of it in some way.
He should thank his lucky fucking stars he has some semblance of a choice, because none of us poor bastards here do!
I hate this viewpoint. So arrogant, and ignorant.
Post by: Confucius on August 14, 2018, 10:31:45 AM
Really?
That’s pretty unnecessary if true; Silva hasn’t wronged him in any way, he should be gracious and clap like everyone else.
He is a footballer. School wasn’t his thing. He is just showing all the ladies he doesn’t have the clap.
Post by: AllyBlue14 on August 14, 2018, 11:58:01 AM
What’s the point of a buy back clause when he will have no intention of playing here again? It would be worthless
If he wants a move then he needs to hand a transfer request in and we need to get the fee we think he’s worth
I’ve zero respect for someone who wants a move but won’t hand a transfer request in because they want their loyalty bonuses too. It’s practically fraud
Is handing in a transfer request the only way you forfeit the loyalty bonuses?
Surely if you go on strike and refuse to play (not saying Lookman has done that necessarily) or go AWOL like Courtois (and Lukaku to a degree), you lose your entitlements?
Post by: Juanito on August 14, 2018, 01:20:39 PM
We ALL had a bad experience under Koeman/Allardyce (and we didn't get the luxury of going out on loan when Fat Boy was in charge), but none of us even thought for one second about leaving the club.
Neither do any of us get paid thousands each week to be part of it in some way.
He should thank his lucky fucking stars he has some semblance of a choice, because none of us poor bastards here do!
This is just a joke, right?
Post by: Escla on August 14, 2018, 01:30:56 PM
This is just a jokce, right?Of course it is, it’s just typical Blargs, tongue in cheek, I think it’s quite humorous, no serious intent.
Post by: van der Meyde on August 14, 2018, 02:15:29 PM
It doesn't cost a penny. You don't need to replace a player who has a handful of starts and hasn't played in the first team in 2018 other than brief run out a preseason.No way. Young players who are potentially very, very good definitely need to be replaced.
You may not need to replace their performance in the immediate term. We're well stocked with Richarlison, Lookman and Onyekuru all playing down the left too, so you might not need to spend that money in the same position either.
But we do need to replace that potential *somewhere* and that does cost a pretty penny. Long term we need to be maintaining/increasing our number of under 23 players, not reducing it, and that will involve spending plenty of money. It's short-sighted not to.
Post by: Gash on August 14, 2018, 02:28:17 PM
No way. Young players who are potentially very, very good definitely need to be replaced.
You may not need to replace their performance in the immediate term. We're well stocked with Richarlison, Lookman and Onyekuru all playing down the left too, so you might not need to spend that money in the same position either.
But we do need to replace that potential *somewhere* and that does cost a pretty penny. Long term we need to be maintaining/increasing our number of under 23 players, not reducing it, and that will involve spending plenty of money. It's short-sighted not to.
I agree with most of that but that's not really the same. Of course we need to keep bringing on young players whether that's through our academy or going down the leagues and getting other young players with potential but that's just the cycle of any team sport. As an individual though Lookman doesn't need replaced as there's nothing there to replace.
Post by: Lxxx on August 14, 2018, 03:21:09 PM
I hate this viewpoint. So arrogant, and ignorant.
I don’t think it was meant seriously.
Post by: blargins on August 14, 2018, 03:43:21 PM
I hate this viewpoint. So arrogant, and ignorant.I’m glad you’ve taken offense.
But it really was only a joke.
Post by: Jamokachi on August 14, 2018, 05:03:59 PM
I’m glad you’ve taken offense.
Thanks. Hardly taken offence though, it's just not a very nice thing to say really, is it? Fair enough if it was meant as a joke. It's reflective of plenty I've read on here that isn't.
Post by: TheRam on August 14, 2018, 05:06:20 PM
Post by: Macca77 on August 14, 2018, 05:10:22 PM
Post by: Jamokachi on August 14, 2018, 05:27:47 PM
What was the joke?
We ALL had a bad experience under Koeman/Allardyce (and we didn't get the luxury of going out on loan when Fat Boy was in charge), but none of us even thought for one second about leaving the club.
Neither do any of us get paid thousands each week to be part of it in some way.
He should thank his lucky fucking stars he has some semblance of a choice, because none of us poor bastards here do!
Gold.
Post by: van der Meyde on August 14, 2018, 05:31:23 PM
I agree with most of that but that's not really the same. Of course we need to keep bringing on young players whether that's through our academy or going down the leagues and getting other young players with potential but that's just the cycle of any team sport. As an individual though Lookman doesn't need replaced as there's nothing there to replace.Yeah, we might be arguing about replacing from two different sides here. It's certainly not a Lukaku situation, where we've suddenly got to find 25 goals+assists a season.
I do firmly belive that his potential needs to be replaced though. We don't really have anyone in the academy with that kind of buzz around them right now either, so it's going to involve spending £20m+ (e.g. the Maddison and Torreira fees) on someone who's played plenty of games at a decent level.
If we've ultimately ended up spending money to swap Richarlison (whom I'm very happy with, don't get me wrong) for Lookman, the summer ends up looking worse and less intelligent for me. That's why I'm arguing for us holding out for more money because it's the market that we, as a Premier League club, have to operate in that should be important to us.
Post by: blargins on August 14, 2018, 05:37:05 PM
Thanks. Hardly taken offence though, it's just not a very nice thing to say really, is it? Fair enough if it was meant as a joke. It's reflective of plenty I've read on here that isn't.
The only person who could possibly take offence out of that is Sam Allardyce when I called him Fat Boy, but after the 6 months of shit he gave us, I don't really give a fuck.
Post by: Jamokachi on August 14, 2018, 06:37:29 PM
The only person who could possibly take offence out of that is Sam Allardyce when I called him Fat Boy, but after the 6 months of shit he gave us, I don't really give a fuck.
Nah, it was more the attitude displayed to our player. I know it's tongue in cheek, but I think others do actually harbour this ill feeling toward him. I hate seeing players seen only as commodities.
Post by: blargins on August 14, 2018, 06:58:18 PM
Nah, it was more the attitude displayed to our player. I know it's tongue in cheek, but I think others do actually harbour this ill feeling toward him. I hate seeing players seen only as commodities.
If he doesn't want to play for us, then people are of course going to be pissed. All indications appear that he doesn't want to play for us. He's under contract and if he wants to leave, he should be the one to forfeit any financial benefits that contract may include as he is technically breaking it by not having the right attitude to play.
If he wants out, then hand in a transfer request. It's that simple.
It's not personal, it's business.
Post by: Normm on August 14, 2018, 06:59:27 PM
Again, I back Marco's judgment about whether to include or exclude at this point in time. He still looks like a fourteen-year-old, but he had better not act like one. - I think he will come good and show his worth if he stays.
Post by: Jamokachi on August 14, 2018, 07:13:54 PM
All indications appear that he doesn't want to play for us. He's under contract and if he wants to leave, he should be the one to forfeit any financial benefits that contract may include as he is technically breaking it by not having the right attitude to play.
If he wants out, then hand in a transfer request. It's that simple.
It's not personal, it's business.
And I haven't questioned that. I just hate the "fuck you" attitude.
Post by: blargins on August 14, 2018, 07:19:37 PM
And I haven't questioned that. I just hate the "fuck you" attitude.
Which didn't even exist in my post.
Post by: Lxxx on August 14, 2018, 07:21:27 PM
Post by: Jamokachi on August 14, 2018, 07:21:43 PM
Which didn't even exist in my post.
We've established that I didn't pick up on the fact it was a joke.
Post by: Jamokachi on August 14, 2018, 07:49:40 PM
Post by: Free Agent on August 14, 2018, 08:25:19 PM
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Post by: Escla on August 14, 2018, 08:45:04 PM
Just seen Lookman in training on Everton's Instagram. Guess he's not on strike, or has downed tools.
Look at the timeline on that photo, was taken in Irdning.
Post by: Jamokachi on August 14, 2018, 08:46:21 PM
Look at the timeline on that photo, was taken in Irdning.
Que?
Post by: Escla on August 14, 2018, 08:48:01 PM
Que?Tap on the photo and see.
Post by: Jamokachi on August 14, 2018, 08:49:37 PM
Tap on the photo and see.
You're assuming I'm referring to something different I think. This is a video, taken today. It's of Zouma in training. Lookman is in the background towards the end.
Post by: Jamokachi on August 14, 2018, 08:51:29 PM
Post by: Alanvideo on August 14, 2018, 08:56:08 PM
You're assuming I'm referring to something different I think. This is a video, taken today. It's of Zouma in training. Lookman is in the background towards the end.........yes I've seen that on Twitter. Lookman looks like he pulls up with a strangulated hernia. :snigger:
Post by: TheRam on August 14, 2018, 09:10:23 PM
The jog of somebody downing tools.
Post by: blueToffee on August 14, 2018, 09:11:05 PM
Nah, it was more the attitude displayed to our player. I know it's tongue in cheek, but I think others do actually harbour this ill feeling toward him. I hate seeing players seen only as commodities.
Do you think Lookman wants to play for Everton or do you think he preferably wants to play for RB Leipzig?
I only ask as you say players aren't commodities, but they sometimes just see themselves as employees (without any particular attachment to the club) and as such happy to move when a preferable opportunity arises. Not all players mind you.
Post by: blargins on August 14, 2018, 09:11:08 PM
Post by: Evertonian in NC on August 14, 2018, 09:12:36 PM
No way. Young players who are potentially very, very good definitely need to be replaced.
You may not need to replace their performance in the immediate term. We're well stocked with Richarlison, Lookman and Onyekuru all playing down the left too, so you might not need to spend that money in the same position either.
But we do need to replace that potential *somewhere* and that does cost a pretty penny. Long term we need to be maintaining/increasing our number of under 23 players, not reducing it, and that will involve spending plenty of money. It's short-sighted not to.
Yes, selling short is always selling short. And if Lookman is someone who is currently in Silva's medium and long-term plans, then yes, he needs replacing. Players get injured. Players improve to the point they force transfers. Depth and youth are essential. If you have someone like Lookman who you believe will be a good, attacking player, you don't give him away easily because he pisses off a handful of fans or because he really wants to go and the Germans claim poverty.
And I will keep accepting Gash's tools every day forever for saying so (without reciprocating), it seems. No hard feelings. :D
Post by: Mouse on August 14, 2018, 10:01:41 PM
There's some height in the team now.Some spread too, bascially a foot in old money between Bernard and Mina. Could bring a whole new dimension to "got him in his pocket"...
Post by: Escla on August 14, 2018, 11:20:28 PM
You're assuming I'm referring to something different I think. This is a video, taken today. It's of Zouma in training. Lookman is in the background towards the end.
I’m not assuming anything, you said instagram so I looked at Instagram, when you realised that the photo was from Austria you searched for something else which doesn’t really support your original claim,
or am I just assuming that ?
Post by: SANA_DR0 on August 14, 2018, 11:53:47 PM
Some spread too, bascially a foot in old money between Bernard and Mina. Could bring a whole new dimension to "got him in his pocket"...
He (Bernard) looks shorter than Pienaar.
Post by: Escla on August 15, 2018, 12:10:31 AM
Yes, selling short is always selling short. And if Lookman is someone who is currently in Silva's medium and long-term plans, then yes, he needs replacing. Players get injured. Players improve to the point they force transfers. Depth and youth are essential. If you have someone like Lookman who you believe will be a good, attacking player, you don't give him away easily because he pisses off a handful of fans or because he really wants to go and the Germans claim poverty.
And I will keep accepting Gash's tools every day forever for saying so (without reciprocating), it seems. No hard feelings. :D
Nobody ever got sold for pissing off a handful of fans mate, pissing off the manager perhaps but not the fans.
Post by: BlueNoseMike on August 15, 2018, 01:27:11 AM
I’m not assuming anything, you said instagram so I looked at Instagram, when you realised that the photo was from Austria you searched for something else which doesn’t really support your original claim,
or am I just assuming that ?
You actually are assuming something aren't you though? How do you know he meant the picture from Austria?
Least his assumption made sense.
Post by: Bob Sacamano on August 15, 2018, 01:47:15 AM
Proper into Zouma. Think he’s going to be great for us.
Post by: Escla on August 15, 2018, 02:49:43 AM
You actually are assuming something aren't you though? How do you know he meant the picture from Austria?Offline Jamokachi
Least his assumption made sense.
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Because he say INSTAGRAM !
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Because he say INSTAGRAM !
So find me a picture on Instagram where he is enjoying training ! It’s you that makes no fuckin sense !
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Because he say INSTAGRAM !
THE VIDEO HE IS ON ABOUT IS ALSO ON INSTAGRAM YOU LOON. I CAN WRITE IN CAPITALS TOO MATE!
Post by: Escla on August 15, 2018, 02:53:43 AM
THE VIDEO HE IS ON ABOUT IS ALSO ON INSTAGRAM YOU LOON. I CAN WRITE IN CAPITALS TOO MATE!
SO SHOW ME THE FUCKIN VIDEO ON INSTAGRAM FROM TODAY WHERE HE IS ENJOYING TRAINING !
Post by: Goaljira on August 15, 2018, 02:54:10 AM
Post by: blueToffee on August 15, 2018, 02:55:49 AM
Looking forward to the German transfer window shutting.
Post by: BlueNoseMike on August 15, 2018, 02:56:02 AM
SO SHOW ME THE FUCKIN VIDEO ON INSTAGRAM FROM TODAY WHERE HE IS ENJOYING TRAINING !
he literally says in his follow up that he is in the background on Zouma's video. Also he doesn't say he is enjoying training just that he is there. Are you fucking real and why is it such a big deal?
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Post by: BlueNoseMike on August 15, 2018, 02:58:06 AM
Does it really matter?
It doesn't really but Escla is going in on the original post and chatting shite when it's him who has made the mistake
Post by: BlueNoseMike on August 15, 2018, 03:01:40 AM
I’m not assuming anything, you said instagram so I looked at Instagram, when you realised that the photo was from Austria you searched for something else which doesn’t really support your original claim,
or am I just assuming that ?
1) his original claim was Lookman was in training on a post everton put on instagram today (this is correct)
2) Jamokachi tries to be civil and points out that it is actually you has got wrong end of stick (which you did)
3) you have a go at him forassuming (I think fairly assuming you have got mixed uo because you have) when you assumed he meant a picture from Austria (which he didn't)
It might be a little thing to most but you were making out that he was in the wrong when it was you
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Post by: Escla on August 15, 2018, 03:02:59 AM
1) his original claim was Lookman was in training on a post everton put on instagram today (this is correct)
2) Jamokachi tries to be civil and points out that it is actually you has got wrong end of stick (which you did)
3) you have a go at him forassuming (I think fairly assuming you have got mixed uo because you have) when you assumed he meant a picture from Austria (which he didn't)
It might be a little thing to most but you were making out that he was in the wrong when it was you
You’re wrong on all three counts, have a nice day and don’t get too stressed.
Post by: BlueNoseMike on August 15, 2018, 03:04:30 AM
You’re wrong on all three counts, have a nice day and don’t get too stressed.
I mean I'm clearly not wrong on the instagram video thing when I've seen it myself on there. As I'm right about 1 that makes 2 and 3 correct too.
You've had a bit of a mare. All best
Post by: sam of the south on August 15, 2018, 03:08:44 AM
It was quite harrowing actually 😔
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Post by: Escla on August 15, 2018, 03:11:04 AM
I mean I'm clearly not wrong on the instagram video thing when I've seen it myself on there. As I'm right about 1 that makes 2 and 3 correct too.
You've had a bit of a mare. All best
Don’t want to prolong this but that vid was added after original post but doesn’t really matter, so have a nice evening, no response required.
Post by: Goaljira on August 15, 2018, 03:16:31 AM
Without reading too much into absolutely nothing whatsoever, what do you think this means
Chaffing.
Post by: Dr. Sponge on August 15, 2018, 03:17:11 AM
Without reading too much into absolutely nothing whatsoever, what do you think this means
Out the team with a herpes strain.
Post by: BlueNoseMike on August 15, 2018, 03:17:47 AM
Don’t want to prolong this but that vid was added after original post but doesn’t really matter, so have a nice evening, no response required.
Sure about that?
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Post by: sam of the south on August 15, 2018, 04:07:20 AM
Without reading too much into absolutely nothing whatsoever, what do you think this means
Knocking one out, obvs
Post by: Jamokachi on August 15, 2018, 04:13:39 AM
I’m not assuming anything, you said instagram so I looked at Instagram, when you realised that the photo was from Austria you searched for something else which doesn’t really support your original claim,
or am I just assuming that ?
Christ mate. It was the video. Everton post the same video across all social media outlets. Instagram doesn't embed like Twitter on this site, hence I used the latter.
Post by: Jamokachi on August 15, 2018, 04:20:26 AM
https://www.instagram.com/p/BmdUv8UArt9/
Post by: Jamokachi on August 15, 2018, 04:33:39 AM
Do you think Lookman wants to play for Everton or do you think he preferably wants to play for RB Leipzig?
I only ask as you say players aren't commodities, but they sometimes just see themselves as employees (without any particular attachment to the club) and as such happy to move when a preferable opportunity arises. Not all players mind you.
I think he would rather be at RBL, and I don't think anyone would disagree. He's been sold on the move and given his relative experiences at both clubs I don't think he can be blamed.
Bit of a grey area I concede. I stated that I don't like seeing player seen as commodities "only". I think fans (of all clubs, not just us) are guilty of forgetting the human aspect. This is a young kid who, as selfish as it sounds to a fan, has to put his career (and life) first. If he's not enjoying being at Everton then so be it. If he hasn't settled for, whatever reason, that shouldn't necessarily be met with such vitriol. Especially when he's done nothing to upset fans (no public statements etc).
In a monetary sense players are of course commodities, but unlike most industries sport goes much deeper and is far more complex. It'd just be nice to see people remember that, rather than froth at the mouth at every opportunity.*
*This is more relevant toward what I've read on Twitter than here, in fairness.
Post by: Old England Toffee on August 15, 2018, 04:55:53 AM
I think fans (of all clubs, not just us) are guilty of forgetting the human aspect. This is a young kidExactly this! He strikes me as the kind of kid that would read and take to heart the shit written about him on social media. Also as fans we often treat players as guilty until proven innocent, probably born out of jealousy, the 'I would give my right nut to play for Everton' mentality. Both of these ways of thinking are perhaps a bit more acceptable towards an older player, but to a teen/20 year old its unnecessary and doesnt help the club (or country as in the case of sterling).
Post by: Bluedylan on August 15, 2018, 06:18:54 AM
Post by: Mac934 on August 15, 2018, 08:56:44 AM
Fucking footballers 😤😞😡
Phew, I feel better now, sorry lads n lasses 👍🏼.
Post by: AllyBlue14 on August 15, 2018, 01:15:20 PM
I think he would rather be at RBL, and I don't think anyone would disagree. He's been sold on the move and given his relative experiences at both clubs I don't think he can be blamed.
Bit of a grey area I concede. I stated that I don't like seeing player seen as commodities "only". I think fans (of all clubs, not just us) are guilty of forgetting the human aspect. This is a young kid who, as selfish as it sounds to a fan, has to put his career (and life) first. If he's not enjoying being at Everton then so be it. If he hasn't settled for, whatever reason, that shouldn't necessarily be met with such vitriol. Especially when he's done nothing to upset fans (no public statements etc).
In a monetary sense players are of course commodities, but unlike most industries sport goes much deeper and is far more complex. It'd just be nice to see people remember that, rather than froth at the mouth at every opportunity.*
*This is more relevant toward what I've read on Twitter than here, in fairness.
I think the main source of resentment from fans is that he seems to have his heart set on a move but won't hand in a transfer request. He may not have downed tools or gone on strike, but going off the manager's comments, there would appear to be something afoot.
This is all conjecture and speculation obviously, but as far as we know he's been told the club want to keep him. If, in spite of this, he still sees RBL as his best option then he has to submit a transfer request because he is acting against the club's wishes.
I'm not saying this is what he's trying to do, because I don't know enough about it, but it looks like he's trying to have his cake and eat it - agitate for a move but keep his loyalty bonuses.
Post by: ajax_andy on August 15, 2018, 01:19:32 PM
Not sure what that means though.
Post by: brap2 on August 15, 2018, 01:36:01 PM
Post by: AllyBlue14 on August 15, 2018, 01:39:33 PM
High point for me was the screenshot of him tweaking his johnson
Coded messages to Ralf Rangnick - Lookman used a rare public appearance to showcase the 'come and get me' signal.
Post by: sam of the south on August 15, 2018, 03:33:57 PM
How about... He shuts the fuck up, grows a pair, gets on with the job of playing for the team he happily signed a contract with for a vast salary (in normal life). OR piss off and join the army, fight for your country for less salary a year than you get a month! And see what REAL life is about!!!!!
Fucking footballers 😤😞😡
Phew, I feel better now, sorry lads n lasses 👍🏼.
(https://media.giphy.com/media/kaq6GnxDlJaBq/giphy.gif)
Post by: Lxxx on August 15, 2018, 03:59:51 PM
Post by: Jimmywhack on August 15, 2018, 04:03:27 PM
Back to the football. I can definitely see why Silva wants to keep him as we're not as strong in depth and quality as we seem to think, even though we've had a decent transfer window. A muscle tweak from Richarlison, Bernard taking a while to bed in or Walcott's injury issues returning and we're quite thin on the ground. Granted at the moment we can plug those gaps with Vlasic or Bolasie but both are surplus to requirements and likely won't be here in a few weeks.Vlasic in Russia securing a deal, Bolasie be gone by weekend I'd imagine
Even more reason to keep him
Post by: Jamokachi on August 15, 2018, 05:58:25 PM
I think the main source of resentment from fans is that he seems to have his heart set on a move but won't hand in a transfer request. He may not have downed tools or gone on strike, but going off the manager's comments, there would appear to be something afoot.
This is all conjecture and speculation obviously, but as far as we know he's been told the club want to keep him. If, in spite of this, he still sees RBL as his best option then he has to submit a transfer request because he is acting against the club's wishes.
I'm not saying this is what he's trying to do, because I don't know enough about it, but it looks like he's trying to have his cake and eat it - agitate for a move but keep his loyalty bonuses.
Maybe, I haven't read much about transfer requests to be honest.
Post by: Rodenplav64 on August 15, 2018, 07:36:15 PM
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on August 15, 2018, 07:41:42 PM
Without reading too much into absolutely nothing whatsoever, what do you think this means
Crabs
Post by: brap2 on August 15, 2018, 07:55:35 PM
Or has a higher ceiling anyway.
To be fair - I was backing him to have a ‘better season under silva than Richarlison did’ etc. A few weeks ago so I can’t really talk.
Post by: Free Agent on August 15, 2018, 08:35:39 PM
If yes, 50m and no less please.
Post by: kramer0 on August 15, 2018, 08:43:08 PM
Stats bomb pod reckon he’s > richarlison.
Or has a higher ceiling anyway.
To be fair - I was backing him to have a ‘better season under silva than Richarlison did’ etc. A few weeks ago so I can’t really talk.
I like Ted but that was a weird take.
Post by: brap2 on August 15, 2018, 09:34:22 PM
I like Ted but that was a weird take.
If I remember correctly you were right along with me saying something similar.
I’m only going off the Paul Riley tweet, not listened to the pod yet but I can understand where they’re coming from (mins per goal contribution maybe? The fact Lookman looks like a potentially elite finisher vs richarlisons profilagacy in front of goal).
I don’t know if it’s connected to the fact we’ve now signed richarlison but I now disagree strongly. Haha.
Post by: Lxxx on August 15, 2018, 09:43:35 PM
Just keep it out of the media and if he can see us improving then he might come round.
Post by: van der Meyde on August 15, 2018, 09:54:05 PM
If I remember correctly you were right along with me saying something similar.I'm not sure you can judge with any real degree of confidence whose ceiling is higher.
I’m only going off the Paul Riley tweet, not listened to the pod yet but I can understand where they’re coming from (mins per goal contribution maybe? The fact Lookman looks like a potentially elite finisher vs richarlisons profilagacy in front of goal).
I don’t know if it’s connected to the fact we’ve now signed richarlison but I now disagree strongly. Haha.
Lookman's performance, purely on numbers, looks better on the face of it. It's confounded by so many of Lookman's minutes (and half his goals) over the past couple of years coming off the bench though.
Post by: brap2 on August 15, 2018, 09:59:34 PM
I'm not sure you can judge with any real degree of confidence whose ceiling is higher.
Lookman's performance, purely on numbers, looks better on the face of it. It's confounded by so many of Lookman's minutes (and half his goals) over the past couple of years coming off the bench though.
Broadly agree.
Post by: van der Meyde on August 15, 2018, 10:08:20 PM
Broadly agree.I'm also not sure how you would weight Richarlison having a bit more about him physically versus Lookman probably being able to create more for others.
Post by: brap2 on August 15, 2018, 10:20:05 PM
I'm also not sure how you would weight Richarlison having a bit more about him physically versus Lookman probably being able to create more for others.
Yeah I agree with that as well.
Not sure about creating because you can measure that.
But richarlison is physically a monster. Boss in the air, good 1v1, good outball on the break..
Post by: van der Meyde on August 15, 2018, 10:44:20 PM
Yeah I agree with that as well.Yeah, I can sort of be talked into the idea that Lookman might be decent on the right/centrally too - if Understat's position data can be believed anyway.
Not sure about creating because you can measure that.
But richarlison is physically a monster. Boss in the air, good 1v1, good outball on the break..
God knows. Still hope we keep him and he works his way in to the team.
Post by: MmmblueBernard on August 16, 2018, 01:41:04 PM
Post by: april on August 16, 2018, 02:13:20 PM
How about... He shuts the fuck up, grows a pair, gets on with the job of playing for the team he happily signed a contract with for a vast salary (in normal life). OR piss off and join the army, fight for your country for less salary a year than you get a month! And see what REAL life is about!!!!!
Fucking footballers
Phew, I feel better now, sorry lads n lasses.
I reckon he’ll earn that in a week.
Post by: sam of the south on August 18, 2018, 04:11:49 PM
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/ademola-lookman-shows-willing-fight-15043900
Post by: Bluedylan on August 18, 2018, 04:43:12 PM
These Silva comments hint at Lookman displaying a titty lip and being a bit of a lazy arse
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/ademola-lookman-shows-willing-fight-15043900
I found it quite encouraging tbh. Basically saying he's grafted in training this week. Obviously he should be doing that anyway and he needs to sustain it, but I'm liking that Silva is giving him a chance and trying to build a relationship.
Post by: TheRam on August 18, 2018, 04:49:17 PM
Only thing that will change my mind is seeing him in the matchday squad.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on August 18, 2018, 04:52:38 PM
Still be very surprised if he’s here come September
Only thing that will change my mind is seeing him in the matchday squad.
When’s the European window close. I honestly think we are gonna force him to stay regardless and hope he gets his head down when moving is no longer an option
Post by: Toffee1 on August 18, 2018, 05:02:26 PM
When’s the European window close. I honestly think we are gonna force him to stay regardless and hope he gets his head down when moving is no longer an option
Transfer deadlines in Spain, France and Germany are expected to fall on August 31. However, Italy's window will close on August 18 this year, one day before the start of the Serie A season.
Post by: gizzblue on August 18, 2018, 05:23:12 PM
Post by: Martip on August 19, 2018, 12:49:07 AM
This stats thingy is a load of old bollocks. Richarlison is twice the player Lookman is.You know what I don't mind admitting that I was in the camp of not thinking he was not worth the extra money with lookman already here. Knew that was a terrible shout when he scored in pre-season and defended like his life depended on it. This guy looks the real deal to me.
Post by: Jamokachi on August 20, 2018, 04:44:46 AM
Still be very surprised if he’s here come September
Only thing that will change my mind is seeing him in the matchday squad.
So you're expecting him to stay then?
Post by: TheRam on August 20, 2018, 04:50:06 AM
So you're expecting him to stay then?
Think the fact we brought on niasse and DCL over him spoke volumes though.
I’d still say he’s off on deadline day.
Post by: Brownie on August 20, 2018, 05:17:43 AM
Post by: Toddacelli on August 20, 2018, 05:29:13 AM
Mirror reporting RBL have increased their bid to £22m
Fuckem.
Post by: Brownie on August 20, 2018, 05:29:36 AM
Fuckem.
Who does he play for?
Post by: Toddacelli on August 20, 2018, 05:48:18 AM
Who does he play for?
Pub team reserves - Darren Fuckem B
Post by: gizzblue on August 20, 2018, 05:51:04 AM
Pub team reserves - Darren Fuckem B
Didn't he play for Delias Norwich .
Post by: GLewis on August 20, 2018, 12:46:13 PM
Think the fact we brought on niasse and DCL over him spoke volumes though.
I’d still say he’s off on deadline day.
Think in this instance it was that we were winning so wanted hold up play as part of the options.
If he was being fully shunned, think he’d just have picked Dowell ahead of him?
Post by: Alanvideo on August 20, 2018, 02:28:12 PM
Think in this instance it was that we were winning so wanted hold up play as part of the options.........................yes i think DCL and Niasse were the correct subs at the time . I was disappointed not to see Lookman but Silva was being pragmatic rather than sentimental.
If he was being fully shunned, think he’d just have picked Dowell ahead of him?
Post by: Lxxx on August 20, 2018, 02:31:04 PM
Think in this instance it was that we were winning so wanted hold up play as part of the options.
If he was being fully shunned, think he’d just have picked Dowell ahead of him?
Silva went up in my estimation for this. It would have been easy for him to bring Lookman on as one of his two forward changes, to keep him integrated and feel part of the setup. The fact it would have been the wrong choice so he went with the sensible options for the team and didn't even give him a sniff indicates their is some steel under the handsome exterior.
Post by: Escla on August 20, 2018, 02:59:35 PM
Mirror reporting RBL have increased their bid to £22m
£25 million and I’ll drive him there, put that money in a pot , add another £25m to it and get another striker in in January.
Post by: Paddockoldie on August 20, 2018, 03:00:44 PM
Post by: Martip on August 20, 2018, 05:28:34 PM
Post by: brap2 on August 20, 2018, 05:30:33 PM
Plus who dya want coming in for him? Bolasie? Nah you’re alright.
Post by: Jamokachi on August 20, 2018, 05:33:43 PM
Think the fact we brought on niasse and DCL over him spoke volumes though.
I’d still say he’s off on deadline day.
Tony Scott (who I don't often agree with) made a good point on the All Together Now post match pod. He said that Lookman had been rewarded for training well during the week by being restored to the starting line-up, but that Silva was making the point that to get on the pitch he'll need to see more of the same from the lad.
Post by: dangermouse on August 20, 2018, 05:34:46 PM
£25 million and I’ll drive him there, put that money in a pot , add another £25m to it and get another striker in in January.
Everton buying a £50m Forward.... oosh
Post by: Alanvideo on August 20, 2018, 05:39:31 PM
22m is a half decent offer and although I like him the fact is he's potentially our 4th choice winger so if we need to balance the books a bit so be it.........................Soton are going to pay £20m for ' Dings ' though so we should be looking for £30m for Lookman ,if we sell at all.
Post by: Jamokachi on August 20, 2018, 05:39:45 PM
Everton buying a £50m Forward.... oosh
Ruining transfer windows since 2018. Everton, that.
Post by: Tinga on August 20, 2018, 05:48:19 PM
Post by: American Evertonian on August 20, 2018, 06:09:29 PM
Post by: Lxxx on August 20, 2018, 06:25:01 PM
Laughable to me how RB thinks they can just increase their bid £2m at a time and think we will about face as if that is a huge sum of money. At this rate they're a other 5 bids away from getting him.
They have a transfer strategy which precludes them from spending big. They like to recruit young, develop, sell on at a profit, rinse and repeat. They won't pay the going rate for him.
Post by: plumber on August 20, 2018, 06:33:50 PM
Think the fact we brought on niasse and DCL over him spoke volumes though.
I’d still say he’s off on deadline day.
He's not if he is in Silva plans.
Frankly I see no reason why we should sell him unless someone is ready to pay silly money (and Leipzig are not, they're skint).
It's understandable he wants more playing time and if he wont' get it here, a loan would be tenable decision. But why sell?
Post by: blargins on August 20, 2018, 06:40:17 PM
They have a transfer strategy which precludes them from spending big. They like to recruit young, develop, sell on at a profit, rinse and repeat. They won't pay the going rate for him.Then they lose out.
He’ll be gone soon though. The clubs will come to a compromise. 20 mill plus 50% of any future transfer fee would do me.
Post by: American Evertonian on August 20, 2018, 07:07:52 PM
They have a transfer strategy which precludes them from spending big. They like to recruit young, develop, sell on at a profit, rinse and repeat. They won't pay the going rate for him.
I understand that. I'm just saying they are bidding in a way as if we are a League 1 club with no money and holding to cash in on our star prospect.
Post by: dax78 on August 21, 2018, 05:27:19 PM
Post by: Cereal Killer on August 21, 2018, 05:39:28 PM
Sky reporting we want 28m plus add ons
35% of any future fee
£xm if they get in the CL
£xm if they win anything
£xm if he gets called up by England
Post by: Lxxx on August 21, 2018, 05:47:21 PM
Post by: Bob Sacamano on August 21, 2018, 06:48:36 PM
I think Brands is going to fleece these fuckers if he does sell him. His job in Holland was to flip young talent so I think we’ve got one of the best guys in the business in knowing that side of negotiations. We’re in safe hands here.
Post by: Escla on August 21, 2018, 06:54:39 PM
Maybe we're being pragmatic about it now, if Sky are to be believed. If he's not putting it in on the training pitch, making it clear he wants out then let's take a fee nearer to £30m and move on. If we do move him on and also get Bolasie and Besic off the books too then with loan fees factored in a spend of <£30m this summer and a reduction of the wage bill looks like good business overall. Especially with a manager who clearly looks like he can get more out of players than we've seen previously.
Average weekly wage at Middlesbrough is £20 k, can’t see them willing to pay Bolasie much more than that which would still leave us to cover £50 k, £40 if we’re lucky.
Post by: blargins on August 21, 2018, 07:01:20 PM
These are clearly desperate to sign this kid to simply flip him in 2yrs for an extraordinary amount of cash.
I think Brands is going to fleece these fuckers if he does sell him. His job in Holland was to flip young talent so I think we’ve got one of the best guys in the business in knowing that side of negotiations. We’re in safe hands here.
We were fleeced so much last summer, it will be nice to fleece RBL. They're desperate. It doesn't bother us either way if he stays or goes. We have the upper hand here and we can call the shots. If they don't like it, oh well.
Post by: Brownie on August 21, 2018, 07:09:34 PM
Post by: Hawkandro on August 21, 2018, 07:14:52 PM
Average weekly wage at Middlesbrough is £20 k, can’t see them willing to pay Bolasie much more than that which would still leave us to cover £50 k, £40 if we’re lucky.
£40k per week and no Bolasie is better than £80k per week and Bolasie.
Post by: bigmanbob on August 21, 2018, 07:18:23 PM
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Post by: Bluenose 91 on August 21, 2018, 09:20:26 PM
Post by: blueToffee on August 21, 2018, 10:30:19 PM
Post by: blue slug on August 21, 2018, 10:32:21 PM
Post by: blueToffee on August 21, 2018, 10:34:46 PM
which cock lords are on talksport now
Adrian Durham and Darren Gough.
Post by: blue slug on August 21, 2018, 10:35:20 PM
Post by: sam of the south on August 21, 2018, 10:36:53 PM
Adrian Durham and Darren Gough.
Utter meltdom
Post by: Gary1878 on August 21, 2018, 10:45:34 PM
With a player as young as Lookman (21 in October), things will only start clicking once he gets games, and it could take a couple of years.
Post by: BlueForYou on August 21, 2018, 11:40:32 PM
Want(s) for nothing, good deal all round
Post by: brap2 on August 21, 2018, 11:52:29 PM
Post by: SANA_DR0 on August 22, 2018, 12:05:50 AM
I don't usually say this but I'm getting bored to fuck of Lookman now. He can fuck off with my blessing now 😁nooo!!
i cant see him going,, we really need him, if Richarlison or Walcott get injured.. we cant play how Silva wants us to play... Bernado and Lookman can play on the wings.. Bolasie is gone, so has Mirallas.. Sandro doesnt play the same on the wing as the wingers mentioned..
thus i cant see Lookman going anywhere
Post by: Trowel on August 24, 2018, 05:38:13 AM
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Post by: Juanito on August 24, 2018, 08:51:45 PM
nooo!!
i cant see him going,, we really need him, if Richarlison or Walcott get injured.. we cant play how Silva wants us to play... Bernado and Lookman can play on the wings.. Bolasie is gone, so has Mirallas.. Sandro doesnt play the same on the wing as the wingers mentioned..
thus i cant see Lookman going anywhere
Walcott is bound to get a hamstring injury sooner or later.