12 mill bid rejected for Lookman - Mirror
Rbl?yep
12 mill bid rejected for Lookman - Mirror
You'd have to triple that, minimum.
I reckon we will accept 20 million for him, I'll be gutted if he leaves
Our hands are tied if he wants to leave though, couldn't blame him either, especially after the way he was treated last season, no good keeping an unhappy player here. That said, you would hope Silva and Brands have already spoke to him and outlined their plans for the coming season, hopefully told him he is a very important player for us.
Our hands aren’t tied at all. If we want him to stay, he stays. Come ed Macca. Get a grip, lad.
For that piddley bid thry can have his old bootsOr keep the good memories.
He just wanted game time. I think he will be promised it and get it with marco.You can’t promise game time to anyone, it must be earned
Everton have told RB Leipzig that Ademola Lookman is not for sale and they are not willing to listen to any offers from other clubs. Marco Silva and Marcel Brands see him as an important part of the squad. (Source: Liverpool Echo)
Hopefully he is excited to work with a young, sexy manager with big ideas. And a handsome DOF who wants to take the club to the top.
In all seriousness though, i think this will be a big year for him, and im excited to welcome him home.
Hopefully he is excited to work with a young, sexy manager with big ideas. And a handsome DOF who wants to take the club to the top.
In all seriousness though, i think this will be a big year for him, and im excited to welcome him home.
The main thing I took from that comment (and far be it from me to steer all conversations with women to a sexual level) is that you'd be well up for a threesome with Silva and Brands.
without a shadow of a doubt....yes.
without a shadow of a doubt....yes.
Could fit in well in a 4-3-3 with him and Walcott as the pace and directness either side of a finisher in Tosun. Which would leave Sig as the energetic goal threat behind them with two grafters in midfield.
I'd like to see the managerial team tell him he's a starter and to go and express himself. Build him up, give him confidence.
Could fit in well in a 4-3-3 with him and Walcott as the pace and directness either side of a finisher in Tosun. Which would leave Sig as the energetic goal threat behind them with two grafters in midfield.
I'd like to see the managerial team tell him he's a starter and to go and express himself. Build him up, give him confidence.
I'd be very worried about us being caught out in midfield with that (Sig). That would be 4 players playing mostly in the attacking phase. Risky. I suppose it depends how we defend and how good our DMs will be. Gana has an engine on him as does Tom Davies.
True but it’s a good option to have if we need to attack the game (which we should be looking to do against anyone outside the top 6).
http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2018/07/08/report-everton-reject-second-ademola-lookman-bid-from-rb-leipzig/
Second bid of 14m rejected cause we want at least 20m.
We are also reportedly interested in one of their players, Emil Forsberg, valued at 25m +.
Potential swap on the cards ?
When hitc comes up on Google, keep scrolling down.
Ragnick has come out and RBL want to sign three players and that lookman wants to leave and go them and are still in talks
Sounds like tapping up, to me.
Is it tapping up if Leipzig is probably a step down? Alright theyre a decent little side in the bundesliga, but if he wants to better himself and earn a huge move in the future. His future for the next couple of seasons should be in the PL with Everton.
We should have just played him and let him develop without the pressure of needing to “avoid relegation”. The coward in charge had other ideas though and thought points on the board would disguise his disgraceful brand of football and keep him in a job.
Allardyce wasn’t the only manager that didn’t play him. Unsworth and Koeman didn’t either
The truth is he blew a lot of the limited chances he got. Again I don’t think he was badly treated. Just a young player who wasn’t in a managers plans
Allardyce wasn’t the only manager that didn’t play him. Unsworth and Koeman didn’t either
The truth is he blew a lot of the limited chances he got. Again I don’t think he was badly treated. Just a young player who wasn’t in a managers plans
Allardyce wasn’t the only manager that didn’t play him. Unsworth and Koeman didn’t either
The truth is he blew a lot of the limited chances he got. Again I don’t think he was badly treated. Just a young player who wasn’t in a managers plans
Seems to me he’s keen on the move and RB are aware of his willingness to make the switch.
Until the lad puts in a transfer request ...it's all bullshit imho.Sounds like he should be at West Ham
All we have is Ragnik blowing bubbles so far.
Seems to me hes keen on the move and RB are aware of his willingness to make the switch.
Nice one detective
Glad the WC's back on for two days. Be glad to escape the flapping and wild speculation, based on little to no information.
No way baby I’m here all week
Honestly wasn't a pop at you mate. I like and respect what you have to say.
Honestly wasn't a pop at you mate. I like and respect what you have to say.
Has anyone else read that we rejected a 14m bid from West Ham?
Has anyone else read that we rejected a 14m bid from West Ham?
If we struggle to shift any more of our expensive assets we might have to let him go in order to bring in a left back and central defender, which is apparently the two areas identified as needing strengthening as a priority. We may then have to utilise Sandro and throw him into the wide forward mix.
I'm pretty ambivalent either way to be honest. He's done nothing for us so far and if he wants the move then we'll just have to trust the management team's judgement, whatever that may be.
Nah, he’ll not be on much that we need to sell him. We’re clearly just trying to shift out the expensive/not working out players. We don’t need to raise money per se in order to buy as you seem to be suggesting.Aye. Fairly sure it's a wage bill and squad numbers thing, rather than cash flow.
Beside Brands is a fan, so I don’t think he’s heading out anywhere.
Aye. Fairly sure it's a wage bill and squad numbers thing, rather than cash flow.
If we struggle to shift any more of our expensive assets we might have to let him go in order to bring in a left back and central defender, which is apparently the two areas identified as needing strengthening as a priority. We may then have to utilise Sandro and throw him into the wide forward mix.
I'm pretty ambivalent either way to be honest. He's done nothing for us so far and if he wants the move then we'll just have to trust the management team's judgement, whatever that may be.
Nah, he’ll not be on much that we need to sell him. We’re clearly just trying to shift out the expensive/not working out players. We don’t need to raise money per se in order to buy as you seem to be suggesting.
Beside Brands is a fan, so I don’t think he’s heading out anywhere.
RB Leipzig aren’t ready to match Everton’s valuation of Ademola Lookman. The Blues have already turned down two bids of €14m and €16m. Bild say Everton are planning their season with Lookman as a key part..
Bild is a bit of a shit rag in Germany isnt it? Equivalent of the Sun or Star?
I may be wrong like.
Piss taking cunts. Them offers an an insultEverton are allegedly looking €20m. So their offers aren't that far away. €20m is approx £17.7m which seems a shit valuation if true. It doesn't exactly shout out "piss off your not getting him at any price"
Everton are allegedly looking €20m. So their offers aren't that far away. €20m is approx £17.7m which seems a shit valuation if true. It doesn't exactly shout out "piss off your not getting him at any price"
Where have you seen we would sell him for 20mil?
Where have you seen we would sell him for 20mil?https://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=https://www.bild.de/sport/fussball/rb-leipzig/kaempft-um-lookman-56350492.bild.html&prev=search
Don't know about the rest of you. But I really hate these lookman rumours. Gotta keep that kid.
Did initially but im starting to think that if Koeman, Allardyce and now Silva dont fancy him then i'm willing to go with there judgement that he aint all that. The last one is based on the premise that the 'rumours' are true and we will let him go for 18 million
One other point is that I've seen no actual indication from anywhere that we want to sell him. So I remain hopeful.Don't know about that. I think making a third bid would be a fairly clear indication Leipzig have not been told point blank that he's not for sale. At a minimum that would suggest Everton might be open to selling him (at the right price), even if we don't necessarily 'want' to.
My fear is that he does seem to be one of our more sellable assets
Wish the club would come out and say hes not for saleExactly my thoughts, the fact they haven't makes you think they're willing to sell
I don't think we have any reason to think we need to sell to buy. He can't be on much wage wise, and I don't think any transfer fee would be of overwhelming significance it'd force our hand.
Fact is he is unproven still in the PL. The new management doesn't have a relationship Lookman beyond a few weeks so if the player is potentially kicking up a fuss, they might just decide to take the money and bring in another fresh face who does want to come. Dunno.
Silva came out and even said we don't have to buy to sell.....not that he couldn't be lying but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt to start outI think he's probably right, there will be money there. I just don't think he likes the idea of training 30 first team players everyday ha
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/transfers/everton-transfer-news-ademola-lookman-rb-leipzig-third-bid-how-much-a8454531.html
Oh man. It’s just not going away this.
I just wonder if he hadn’t scored that goal against Man City would so many people be in such a flap on here about our selling an unproven player for twice what we paid for him a year ago, just wondering.
Not sure the goal against City is even in people's thoughts. He really hasn't done anything for us of note, but when he was given the chance at Liepzig, he did begin to flourish. And now he's a bit older, a bit more experienced and the potential has been shown, I think most would like to see him stay and be given a decent chance with us to prove himself.
It would be a shame to lose him for that money, it's clear he's highly thought of elsewhere.
Exactly he was only on the pitch that day for about 3 minutes that day.
this is all part of the Darkest Timeline where gravy-swilling, hippo-headed fuck is given "just one more season, what could it hurt, really?"
Exactly he was only on the pitch that day for about 3 minutes that day.
I don't think he's done anything else that meaningful for us since he's been here. A couple of goals against a crap European team from a shit league in a game that didn't matter and that's really it.
I would like to see him given a proper chance to see if he is what they hype says and especially as no one else is an option on the wing, it's even more vital he stays at least for now.
It’s the goal that sticks in mind, not how many minutes he was on the pitch, it was a quite spectacular goal, and Blargs, he would be even more highly thought of if he were playing in an even lesser league,
not saying the Bundesliga is shite but it’s a way off thevPremier League.
Exactly he was only on the pitch that day for about 3 minutes that day................it's the only time I can remember Koeman smiling ,when that goal went in !
His last performance for us he turned the derby round at Mordor after people crying out for him to get more minutes, then he went off to Germany and obviously had a great time.
He’s clearly got something about him and needs a certain type of manager, Koeman or Allardyce are clearly not the type.
Are you mixing it up with Davies goal? Lookmans was decent but not the standout from that game.
The fact the German league is probably the closet around to the premier league for its fast physical natural is a good indication he’s able to make the step up from bit part player to first team with the right encouragement and tactics.
...............it's the only time I can remember Koeman smiling ,when that goal went in !
It’s the goal that sticks in mind, not how many minutes he was on the pitch, it was a quite spectacular goal, and Blargs, he would be even more highly thought of if he were playing in an even lesser league,
not saying the Bundesliga is shite but it’s a way off thevPremier League.
How the hell do you mix Davies up with Lookman??? lol
How the hell do you mix Davies up with Lookman??? lol
Yore right, mixing it up with Davies goal tbh. Still think he would be less in people’s minds if he hadn’t scored on his debut.
I want to see him given the chance with us. He has something about him and it would be a lost opportunity to see him go, especially for a low bid.
BUt he is only potential right now, he needs to prove himself.
I don't think he is "only potential right now." He is not a player being called up from the U-18s. He has proved himself -- first at the lower levels and then in the Bundesliga. His performances in Germany, in particular, have moved him beyond "potential only." Just look how bad Liepzig want him.
We've got to give him this season to show his potential. After all we gave Barkley years to show his, even after that he never really got better... Lookman deserves that chance.
The only problem with that is Lookman doesn’t want that chance with us, he is adamant he wants to stay with Leipzig.
Well, tough shit, he has a contract with us.This is the thing we shouldn't let players hold us to ransom and dictate. They want their big contracts honoured ala Klassen but then want to leave at the drop of a hat when they get an offer elsewhere.
I think he's probably right, there will be money there. I just don't think he likes the idea of training 30 first team players everyday ha
I really don't think so. My valuation -- and I think most others too -- has nothing to do with that first goal. It is rather based on his play for us (where his talent has definitely been apparent), his performances during the u-20 World Cup, and, especially, his terrific play in Germany.Not having a pop at you, I'm agreeing with most of what you say, just putting some reality in the mix.
I don't think he is "only potential right now." He is not a player being called up from the U-18s. He has proved himself -- first at the lower levels and then in the Bundesliga. His performances in Germany, in particular, have moved him beyond "potential only." Just look how bad Liepzig want him.
Good stuff from Silva. Should stay then unless he really kicks up a storm or Liepzig comes in with something like 22m +.
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/marco-silva-confirms-ademola-lookman-14930848
Just normal press comments isn't it?
"He's our player" is the most empty comment ever isn't it? I mean how many times have you heard that before a transfer?
I don't know which way this one will go, but it sounds like he wants off and that's rarely a good starting point. On the plus side as it's happening behind the scenes it's not too late for him to backtrack.
That said, while yes I'd like him to get a chance here, I genuinely am a little unsure what his potential contribution for the season would be. I can't imagine he's moved that far along in his development within that short loan spell.
To an extent, I think you right: It is just run of the mill press stuff. But I think it still has import nonetheless. The silence was much more worrisome, and suggested that we would be selling in due course. By coming out with the statement, I think it draws a bit of a line in the sand, and suggests that we won't be parting ways with Lookman for a paltry, sub 20m, sum.
How can you not see what his potential contribution is?
Well it's potential at the moment. That's kinda the point. He's not really proven anything as yet. I thought he looked good but raw in the limited appearances he's played for us so far, one game he's good, another he might be invisible...that's what you can get with a younger player though in particular. I'd play him every day of the week ahead of Bolaise or Mirallas, however I'd like us ideally to have a player a little further along in their development too that give us some real options to rotate between. I don't really want to have to rely on Lookman and I'd like to sell Bolasie and Mirallas.
If he plays the whole season though, I really don't know what sort of return we might get from him assists/goals wise. He might get a handful, he might get into double figures.
I get that he only played about half a season with RB Leipzig, and that there is a danger in putting too much weight on small sample sizes (see, e.g., Sandro), but you can't just ignore his play in Germany (as you seem to be), especially when he truly was excellent for Leipzig, getting 5 goals and 3 assists in just 11 matches. When you then also consider that there are some pretty strong arguments to be made that he was criminally underused last season by Koeman and Allardyce, don't you think that you might, possibly, be downplaying his potential impact a bit?
Also, maybe I am just more reckless than you are, but I would rather we do rely heavily on players like Lookman that have the potential -- even if it is not yet realized -- to become top 4 level talents, rather than older, more reliable players that don't. We can't attract top 4 talents, so if we are going to climb the ranks of the Prem, we are going to need to develop them. Indeed, RB Liepzig provides a model that we should be trying to emulate. And I would be very disappointed if we go and do the exact opposite by selling one of our players to them.
The only problem with that is Lookman doesn’t want that chance with us, he is adamant he wants to stay with Leipzig.
I'm not factoring it in as I didn't see any of those games, I don't know the opposition he was up against. Were they tap ins or 30 yarders? He was playing for the second best team in the country toward the end of the season so was he getting a ton of chances versus teams that maybe had nothing left to play for? Stats without context don't tell you all that much (as you point out with Sandro). Plus, frankly it is a different league and it's not a 1:1 with the PL.
Equally maybe he tore it up there and scored a brace against Bayern...basically I can't feel I can personally rate a player without being able to see them myself. All I know about his time there was decent stats and good reviews but I don't really know any deeper than that. So it makes me a bit unsure about going into the season with him as lets say first choice without really good other options as last time I saw Lookman he did seem pretty raw.
I'd be happy with Silva starting him in the first game of the season, I just want other options too. That aren't our current options.
He is not for sale, the club have said this at least 3 times.
We dig our heels in then; put a high price tag on him or demand a swap deal for one of their players; Forsberg, Yussuf, Upamecano, Orban etc.
Basically, don't be taken for a fucking mug, Everton.
This. Said before maybe we should try and unsettle Leipzig's players.
To me, it sounds like we will sell him if they meet our £20m valuation.
He is not for sale, the club have said this at least 3 times.They probably need to use the actual phrase "not for sale" for me to believe it personally.
They probably need to use the actual phrase "not for sale" for me to believe it personally.
The fact that Leipzig have come in with bids of £12m, £14m and are apparently readying another one suggests to me they haven't said those words to Leipzig either.
Do we know if they have actually made these bids or is it just Twitter gossip. There's a lot written but I don't think I've read anything official out of the club or in the press about any of it really. Apart from Rangnick's naughty comments.
Those bids suggest to me that they are a piss pot team with piss takers in charge of player recruitment
How often do the club (or any) give running commentary on player sales and negotiations?
Especially unpopular ones.
Those bids suggest to me that they are a piss pot team with piss takers in charge of player recruitment
Exactly. In the absence of much going on we're going round and round in circles on numerous threads on internet gossip.
Its just that European clubs dont throw cash about like English teams do.
That plus the fact everyone is expecting the English player premium but forgetting he wouldnt be joining another English club. If Leipzig were buying a German player with his potential from another German club theyd have to pay more for his nationality as well.
They wouldn't, the only german team that really pays a premium for german talent is Bayern and even that's nowhere near on the scale we do with English talents
Which proves my point that European (German) clubs dont throw cash around like they do here.
And most definitely they would have to pay more for a player a German player, likewise a Spanish club would pay more for a Spanish player or French for a French player.
Yeah well they need to if they want to sign a talented English youngster under a long contract, I personally would accept less than 30m for lookman
Okay, fine. But maybe it would have been worth noting those points originally rather than ignoring his play in Germany entirely. Just b/c you don't posses relevant information does not make it irrelevant. And it is a bit weird that you are seemingly trying to spin your own lack of knowledge as some sort of defense in your favor during an online debate, especially when it suggests that you are not really in the best position to evaluate his potential impact on our team.
And for the record, while I did not watch any of his games live, I did read each review and watch every highlight (including all his goals and assists) from his time in Germany that I could get my hands on, and I am basing my own evaluation, in part, on that information.
If everton had any balls at all and wanted to make a statement of intent it should read simply''Leipzig are wasting their time, he's not going" wouldn't name figures.
Lookman is ours 30m or fuck off Leipzig.
If everton had any balls at all and wanted to make a statement of intent it should read simply
Lookman is ours 30m or fuck off Leipzig.
But that doesn't make a statement that he's ours does it. it's like asking a woman if she'd sleep with a man for £10,000 and she says no chance but she would for £10m. She's basically a hooker for sale, the only thing to determine is the price.
You mean "wouldn't" ... - I hope that clarifies matters.
But that doesn't make a statement that he's ours does it. it's like asking a woman if she'd sleep with a man for £10,000 and she says no chance but she would for £10m. She's basically a hooker for sale, the only thing to determine is the price.
I’d sleep with a man for 10 million.
Anyone know if Lookman has travelled?
Anyone know if Lookman has travelled?
Id sleep with a man for 10 million.There are some on here who would suck Marcel & Marco's testicles for free.
There are some on here who would suck Marcel & Marco's testicles for free.
he hasn't travelled
Not a good sign that thenSoft tissue injury.
Soft tissue injury.
Ah remember those days.
Gutted and now I’m part of @brap2 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=666) flapper gang
Oh fuck off.He'd defo still be here next season had we not loaned him out.
Im blaming walrus head for this.
He'd defo still be here next season had we not loaned him out.
He'd defo still be here next season had we not loaned him out.
Oh fuck off.
I’m blaming walrus head for this.
If we sell lookman the current manager and DOF take the blame or the credit on the price.
It's nonsense.
Absolutely. If Lookman is leaving, it means Silva doesn't rate him.
I don't even think it's difficult to keep him. It's not like Barcelona are after him.
It's a nothing club made to sell an energy drink.
It's nonsense.
Absolutely. If Lookman is leaving, it means Silva doesn't rate him.
I don't even think it's difficult to keep him. It's not like Barcelona are after him.
It's a nothing club made to sell an energy drink.
he hasn't travelled
It’s not nonsense.
If he hadn’t gone on loan he wouldn’t have felt unwanted here, and he wouldn’t have become enamoured with them or vice versa.
He's done well there, he will get a hefty pay rise, his head has probably been turned and if I'm not mistaken Leipzig play in the champions league next year.
Says who ?
Yeah I can’t see it anywhere.
Sure I saw an article this morning saying silva was going to use him this weekend.
I really can’t see silva and brands being into selling him and I’d be very gutted.
We sent a young player out on loan. How does that ever mean he’s unwanted. We sure as hell shouldn’t have sent him to a team who are currently better than us though. Beyond that if we don’t get a good price it’s on the people who currently make the decisions not the previous lot
Europa
It’s because he (like 70% of the sqaud) didn’t appear in the photos on the O.S. Of the team leavin Liverpool.
Because he clearly deserved to be in the squad at least with the appalling Bolasie blocking his path, anyone could see that, particularly after he made an impact in the derby.
But you crack on defending Allardyce 👌🏼
Perhaps he is moving from potential. Still want him to stay and see if he can be consistent in the prem for us.Never had the chance
Doubly gutted since the quoted prices look at least 50% of what seems equitable to me.
Are you sure of that pal,I've just googled it and Leipzig finished second in their league ( Daily Mail ) and have qualified for the CL. Though there could be a problem which UEFA are looking into as Red Bull Salzburg won their league. They are both owned by the same owners.
What quoted prices ? Oh....the rumoured prices on assorted social media... don’t take much notice of that stuff me.
They finished 6th. Were second the year before
He went on a short term loan. He hasn’t been mistreated by anyone
And what Leipzig keep bidding, as if they might be circling a target. Never hear a sniff of a proper valuation. Agree all just paper talk so far, and hopefully fuckall behind it. He's worth 40m, minimum.
Minimum 40 million is really getting a bit carried away , so if 40 is the minimum what’s your actual valuation, 50, 60 ? For a 20 year old as yet unproven prospect ?
I lookman is sold for 20m and we buy richarlison for 40m I propose a group sell harming session outside Goodison.
You love making out that those in opposition to your views have used overly dramatic language, don’t you 😂
He was/is a highly promising young player, Allardyce didn’t play him even though there was only Bolasie in his way, he then allowed him to go on loan, then publicly criticised him for insisting he got the particular loan he wanted.
You love making out that those in opposition to your views have used overly dramatic language, don’t you 😂
He was/is a highly promising young player, Allardyce didn’t play him even though there was only Bolasie in his way, he then allowed him to go on loan, then publicly criticised him for insisting he got the particular loan he wanted.
Unsworth didn’t play him either. His manager for the u23s. Why aren’t we blaming him
Unsworth didn’t play him either. His manager for the u23s. Why aren’t we blaming him
This proves that you reject any criticism of Allardyce at any cost😂
Unsworth didn’t send him on loan, nor did he dis him publicly. Unsworth was also the caretaker manager of a relegation-threatened side with no confidence.
Allardyce was a highly experienced manager, and his new manager bounce/pragmatic approach ensured that the side he managed were safe as houses, so playing young, expressive players held none of the trepidation that it did for Unsworth.
Unsworth didn’t play him either. His manager for the u23s. Why aren’t we blaming him
It really doesn’t. I’m delighted allardyce is gone. It got to the stage where he was picking sides purely based on trying to survive. The football was shite and the atmosphere was toxic
I’m just not having that a young player being sent on a short term loan is dreadful treatment. He wasn’t in the managers plans and got an extremely good loan instead. He wasn’t badly treated by anyone.
It really doesn’t. I’m delighted allardyce is gone. It got to the stage where he was picking sides purely based on trying to survive. The football was shite and the atmosphere was toxic
I’m just not having that a young player being sent on a short term loan is dreadful treatment. He wasn’t in the managers plans and got an extremely good loan instead. He wasn’t badly treated by anyone.
First, that is actually a debatable claim. Over the course of the eight games Unsworth was in charge, he started Lookman twice and subbed him on four times. Second, regardless of the merit of your point, why the fuck are you still going out of your way to defend Allardyce? Are you his son? Is he blackmailing you?
Glad allardyce is gone? Pretty sure you were one of the fans who wanted him to stay
It really doesn’t. I’m delighted allardyce is gone. It got to the stage where he was picking sides purely based on trying to survive. The football was shite and the atmosphere was toxic
I’m just not having that a young player being sent on a short term loan is dreadful treatment. He wasn’t in the managers plans and got an extremely good loan instead. He wasn’t badly treated by anyone.
Again, I haven’t used the terms “mistreated”, “dreadful treatment”, or “badly treated” 😂
It sounds like you’re talking about a tortured dog 😳
Mate, that “extremely good loan” you mention was because Lookman wanted it after rejecting the Derby one that good old Walsh had arranged, and then he was publicly dissed by Allardyce for doing so!
What a prick that man is!😂
If he’d gone to derby he wouldn’t have had his head turned
You really are hilariously bad today 😂
You really are hilariously bad today 😂
Surely it’s common sense that you don’t loan players you might want to keep to better teams
Not a big fan of Fat Sams handling of Lookman. It was the publicly slating him that got on my tits.
You send out a talented young player on loan, when he's really good enough to play for you, it can bite you in the ass.
Remember when Romelu Lukaku told Chelsea he wanted a transfer to Everton, and ONLY Everton?
He slagged him in the papers after the loan, even after he was playing well. No wonder Mola had a bad taste in his mouth, even after the regime change.
Surely it’s common sense that you don’t loan players you might want to keep to better teams
This just doesn’t make sense
He means that it wasn’t a good idea to loan him to a decent team.
If Lookman had gone to derby it’s very unlikely that he’d be angling for a move there this summer.
I said this at the time that Lookman insisting on a move there was being selfish - understandable as it’s a good place to play - but it was done with not being here in mind.
A symptom of how miserable most of the last few years have been is that nearly everyone is blaming all parties bar the player, whereas normally it’s the other way round.
I don't think Lookman is all that and if we can get a good fee we should let him go. His shoting is terrible, crossing horrible. has some pace and skill but not sure he knows what to do with it. Sure he is young and has potential. But sometimes 20M isn't to be sniffed at. look at the potential Rodwell and Barkley had.
He means that it wasn’t a good idea to loan him to a decent team.
If Lookman had gone to derby it’s very unlikely that he’d be angling for a move there this summer.
I said this at the time that Lookman insisting on a move there was being selfish - understandable as it’s a good place to play - but it was done with not being here in mind.
A symptom of how miserable most of the last few years have been is that nearly everyone is blaming all parties bar the player, whereas normally it’s the other way round.
He means that it wasn’t a good idea to loan him to a decent team.
If Lookman had gone to derby it’s very unlikely that he’d be angling for a move there this summer.
I said this at the time that Lookman insisting on a move there was being selfish - understandable as it’s a good place to play - but it was done with not being here in mind.
A symptom of how miserable most of the last few years have been is that nearly everyone is blaming all parties bar the player, whereas normally it’s the other way round.
If lookman is sold for 20m and we buy richarlison for 40m I propose a group self harming session outside Goodison.
What was stupid was loaning him out at all. Not loaning him to Leipzig. If we had kept him last season and played him, then he would not be looking to leave now. And I doubt sending him to Derby would have improved the situation. No way that Lookman would have been happy going there -- he knew he was above that level, which he certainly proved at RB Leipzig.
Let's stop putting the fucking blame on Lookman, when he was just trying to make the best out of a shitty situation that was not of his own creation. It's seriously ridiculous. The blame rests, rather, with Allardyce, Walsh, and the rest of management. And it will be management's fault this summer if we end up selling him when we don't need to.
If we’re going to pay 50 for richarlison then yeah 40 is a good place to start
Can only speak for myself but I’ve often (not always - lukaku) been able to convince myself that we had a reason for them to stay - squad or coming top 5/6/7 - essentially I’ve felt we’ve been in fairly positive positions and like most football fans I’ve ‘believed in the project’ - we’re on the cusp of that again I hope but we haven’t quite done enough and I’ve been so brow beaten over the last few years that instead of feeling betrayed by the player I feel let down by the club?
Wouldn’t be surprised if this is what others are feeling.
So one manager, who’s not here nor the DoF, loaned him out and that’s it?
He’s a young player who up until the last few games of his loan spell, where he did very well, hadnt done that much.
He at least shares a very big chunk of the blame if he’s insisting on leaving now.
So one manager, who’s not here nor the DoF, loaned him out and that’s it?
He’s a young player who up until the last few games of his loan spell, where he did very well, hadnt done that much.
He at least shares a very big chunk of the blame if he’s insisting on leaving now.
D’you not think there’s an element of him being a young kid, away from home, we had three managers, including an anti-football presence and we messed him about and mishandled him a bit?
Just think if the situation was better managed by the club, it would never have got to this stage.
See my edited post above, which responds in part to this.
I'd also note that if I were Lookman, I would want to play for RB Leipzig over us too. It's on our management to convince him he should *want* to stay. As long as Lookman does not take shit public or refuse to train, then I have no problem with his behavior whatsoever.
A bit but everyone has gone.
He got moaned at by Allardyce after he had pushed through the move to Leipzig so he’d already decided he wanted that move.
Did say I can see why he’d go there - but I can also see why all players who have left us over the years did so.
More like, as @brap2 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=666) comment that it’s other factors that have people moaning at the club, rather than the player.
Yes that’s what I mean.
Don’t think it’s commensurate though as he’s barely done anything for us (unlike most other players who got slated).
You send out a talented young player on loan, when he's really good enough to play for you, it can bite you in the ass.
Remember when Romelu Lukaku told Chelsea he wanted a transfer to Everton, and ONLY Everton?
See my edited post above, which responds in part to this.
I'd also note that if I were Lookman, I would want to play for RB Leipzig over us too. It's on our management to convince him he should *want* to stay. As long as Lookman does not take shit public or refuse to train, then I have no problem with his behavior whatsoever.
Yeah don’t want to get into it re: Barkley for us and how he was perceived and treated compared to others, but this feels kess like beings betrayed and more like being denied.
This kid can finish and like Richarlison and Walcott, can play as a second striker. I want these three up top, inter changing, causing havoc with pace and guile. Tosun can be a sub.
So we'll need to sign another winger if he goes or we'll stick with Mirallas and Bolasie as the backups?
Yeah and I think that’s because he’s not actually done anything.
A bit paradoxical that you get “let off” being hammered because you’re bailing out before actually contributing ;)
Yeah and I think that’s because he’s not actually done anything.
A bit paradoxical that you get “let off” being hammered because you’re bailing out before actually contributing ;)
If he doesn't misbehave and we still sell him then how is it on what's gone on previously? It's a decision of the new manager and dof and they haven't been forced into it
Yeah, I don't think that really gets to the heart of why Lookman would be let off as compared to Barkley. Barkley was a boyhood blue that played for us for several years. And then he refused to go to Chelsea in the Fall, costing us millions of pounds, which is what really pissed me off. Some serious differences.
Wut?
Holy shit. You will rationalize anything haha.
Barcelona were the first side I saw play 3 false 9’s and destroy teams. Then Man United with Tevez, Rooney and Ronaldo and now, unfortunately, Liverpool destroy teams with it. Tosun is good but quite predictable and not the quickest.You just know the ball would keep coming back If we played that.
Richarlison Walcott Lookman is what I would like to see in a front 3 with Sigurdsson as one of the 3 behind.
http://www.thefalse9.com/2013/09/football-tactics-for-beginnersthe-false.html
Come on, you know it makes sense.
Well if there’s nothing wrong with his behaviour then there’s absolutely no reason to sell him. How is that wrong. That seems logical.
So we'll need to sign another winger if he goes or we'll stick with Mirallas and Bolasie as the backups?
That is such a simplistic analysis. A player can want to leave, express that desire professionally, and the management can conclude that it is best to honor that request than have a player be at the club that does not want to be there.
Well so long as he’ll behave professionally after being told no then we should tell him no. Not like it’s a massive fee
Barcelona were the first side I saw play 3 false 9’s and destroy teams. Then Man United with Tevez, Rooney and Ronaldo and now, unfortunately, Liverpool destroy teams with it. Tosun is good but quite predictable and not the quickest.
Richarlison Walcott Lookman is what I would like to see in a front 3 with Sigurdsson as one of the 3 behind.
http://www.thefalse9.com/2013/09/football-tactics-for-beginnersthe-false.html
Come on, you know it makes sense.
You just know the ball would keep coming back If we played that.
I agree with you! I think we should refuse to sell. And if we do, then I'll blame *both* Allardyce and Co. for refusing to play him and unsettling him, and our current management for unnecessarily giving in to his request.
Not impossible.
Big difference with Barça players. Utd were all physical too.
They’re doing a good job with it though.
Good point on the physicality of the Unite 3. I have seen Walcott play through the middle and do ok and also see that Richarlison has the attributes to do it. So, I think it could work and is what I want to see as an alternative to a target man.
Why do you think Martina has been playing advanced in pre-season?
Sounds like the agent and/or Lookman are making all the right noises to Leipzig.
Signing a player for big money in his position isn’t helping our cause.
Obviously we needed to strengthen that area of the pitch, but it shows we can’t really offer him anything RB can’t.
Really do hope we keep him but I’ve accepted that he’s probably going to leave.
Signing a player for big money in his position isn’t helping our cause.
Possibly, although going by comments from Leipzig there's been interest from Lookman to go for a while now or they wouldn't be pushing as hard as they are. It's possible that we're resigned to the fact he wants to but are getting in a player before we sanction the move rather than have an unhappy player in the squad. We don't really know Lookman, the fact he already went against the club's wishes could suggest that he's a bit of a twat and we'd rather just move him on? I don't think it's as cut and dried that this is all the club's fault if he goes, the longer they chase him the more obvious it becomes that he's making plenty positive noises for them to come after him. I think he'll go but as said I don't think it'll be a disaster if he does.
If lookman is sold for 20m and we buy richarlison for 40m I propose a group self harming session outside Goodison.Either you edit it or I will, not having that at all.
I'm not having it.You could argue Lookman looked good at RBL because he was playing in a better team, in a poorer league.
Lookman and Richarlison are basically the same player: same sort of age, play in the same position with similar attributes and have both just had very good half seasons.
IF the fees are to be believed (and I said if) then we're basically throwing £30 million away which is disgraceful.
AND Lookman is fucking English!!
Complete joke if it happens
You could argue Lookman looked good at RBL because he was playing in a better team, in a poorer league.He hasn’t really. He has three years left on his contract. Player power isn’t what it once was. If we’re firm and tell him to get on with it, what can he do?
There just isn't that much money in German football - no way are RBL coming in with a £30m bid. He's got us over a barrel really.
You could argue Lookman looked good at RBL because he was playing in a better team, in a poorer league.
There just isn’t that much money in German football - no way are RBL coming in with a £30m bid. He’s got us over a barrel really.
To be honest the German league isn't that much weaker than ours, they still have 4 or 5 very good teams compared to our 6 (hopefully 7) good teams.
And if that's the case then he has to stay. He's under contract so tough shit.
How can there be a £30 million value difference for basically the same player?!
It's fucking madness
I'm not having it.
Lookman and Richarlison are basically the same player: same sort of age, play in the same position with similar attributes and have both just had very good half seasons.
IF the fees are to be believed (and I said if) then we're basically throwing £30 million away which is disgraceful.
AND Lookman is fucking English!!
Complete joke if it happens
To be honest the German league isn't that much weaker than ours, they still have 4 or 5 very good teams compared to our 6 (hopefully 7) good teams.Kolasinac, Goretzka and Meyer have all left Shalke (who finished 2nd last year) on free transfers recently, as they cant afford to pay them a competitive wage.
And if that's the case then he has to stay. He's under contract so tough shit.
How can there be a £30 million value difference for basically the same player?!
It's fucking madness
Where is this 30 million difference coming from? Richarlison price is 35 million.
Lookman has bags of potential, but if we take our Evertonian specs off for a moment then Richarlson is the better player. Not £30 million better, but better.
Back on topic: Lookman is a snake lol.
Glad you qualified that fee with a big IF ! Majority of flappers on here taking 50 mil as gospel, will probably be 60 by the end of the day.
Where have you read that sir? All I've seen is £50 million including add ons?
And I don't give a fuck if it's add ons or not, if that's the case Lookman fee should be about the same, that's my opinion
Kolasinac, Goretzka and Meyer have all left Shalke (who finished 2nd last year) on free transfers recently, as they cant afford to pay them a competitive wage.
But that’s an argument for another day.
Back on topic: Lookman is a snake lol.
And what is the selling price of Lookman? How much have we sold him for in order for any calculation to be made?
Again I'm just going on what I've read that we've set a £20 million price tag. Which is a joke.
If it's wrong then no worries, just going on what has been reported sir
https://twitter.com/Chris78Williams/status/1020620416807731200
If we do sell him you have to think we’re back in the market for another wideman?
No worries. But also take into account that Richarlson is an established premier league player while Lookman is not. But I would like more than 20 million if he were sold.
I wouldn't go as far as to say Richarlison is an established premier league player but I've got the mumps and I'm getting a bit feverish so I must apologise if I'm getting overly annoyed
I think both fees should be no more than £10 million apart. I'd be fine with that although I'd rather Lookman stayed to be fair
If we do sell him you have to think we’re back in the market for another wideman?
Hope so yeah, grim feeling Kevin has a locker next year though.
If we could stretch 25 for Lookman if he is to go (would prefer him to stay) and if the fee including add ons for Richarlison is 40 mill as reported in the Telegraph, I wouldn't have a problem with that. Again that 40 is with add ons and whatever it's taken to silence Watford over Silva.
Hope you get over your mumps soon though. Never had them, but heard they're not very nice.
Thanks and yeah they are pretty painful, my face looks like a very fat version of myself
I guess i'd be ok with that deal although like i say i'd prefer it to be about £10 million apart but that deal would be much more reasonable.
Ideally i hope we keep him though and get Richarlison for a decent fee but you don't always get what you want, i want to go out tonight but i'd scare the kids lolol
Ideally Richarlison, Lookman and Walcott as our three wide men and sack Mirallas and Bolasie off. We'd need to play triangular football to fit them all in at the same time though :)
Yep those 3 would be pretty good i reckon, i'd have to be chuffed with that
Can't see anyone taking Kev though, hopefully Bolasie is off to Turkey
Leicester and Palace also interested in Bolasie.
Swap Bolasie for Saha, that's a completely fair deal................... :snigger:
I'd be up for that.
Don't think Zaha wants to come back up north though.
Haha well i don't think Palace would be up for that either! lolol
I like Zaha, but I prefer what we'll have to be honest. Think he's a very decent player and in his prime, but the investment wouldn't be as wise as with Richarlison I think.
https://twitter.com/Chris78Williams/status/1020620416807731200
It’s probably the point of such statements, but I see that and I kinda want rid. Tired of negativity around the club in recent times and I want players who have a desire to be here and aren’t pulling in the same direction.
If he’s using the old “I have a slight injury” BS to not play and try and force a move...well I’ve got very little time for that behaviour from someone so young and really has done nothing.
Surprised how many are defending him. This is Mirallas part 2.
The club haven’t exactly treated him great, have we?
We’ve hardly played him. I’m not going to be up in arms over him wanting to go to a team that made him feel wanted.
It’s probably the point of such statements, but I see that and I kinda want rid. Tired of negativity around the club in recent times and I want players who have a desire to be here and aren’t pulling in the same direction.
If he’s using the old “I have a slight injury” BS to not play and try and force a move...well I’ve got very little time for that behaviour from someone so young and really has done nothing.
Surprised how many are defending him. This is Mirallas part 2.
The club haven’t exactly treated him great, have we?
We’ve hardly played him. I’m not going to be up in arms over him wanting to go to a team that made him feel wanted.
The club haven’t exactly treated him great, have we?
We’ve hardly played him. I’m not going to be up in arms over him wanting to go to a team that made him feel wanted.
What more can we do than say you’ll be in with a shot of the first xi?Not look to spend big money on someone who plays in his position?
He can either believe that or not.
Not look to spend big money on someone who plays in his position?
(This argument is obviously dependent on the order of events, like.)
The club haven’t exactly treated him great, have we?
We’ve hardly played him. I’m not going to be up in arms over him wanting to go to a team that made him feel wanted.
I think we need to stop blaming all this on the club, it was Allardyce that spoke out against him and didn't play him much, he's gone now.
Ultimately the club gave in and gave him the loan he wanted so they haven't exactly treated him badly, Brands rates him and apparently both him and Silva have told him they want him to be in the first team. He's a 20 year old kid, there's not that many playing every week in the Premier League anyway so he's already done fairly well although he wasn't exactly pulling up trees but I can't remember a player who has achieved so relatively little be given such a pedestal to stand on by our fans. He may well turn out to be a great player but like many before him (not just with us but in general) he could easily end up having a fairly average career. I know it's not an exact science either but for such an apparently highly rated player and our lack of a firm "hands off", there's not exactly a queue of clubs getting into a bidding war for him.
lBrands rates him and apparently both him and Silva have told him they want him to be in the first team.
As in first eleven? Or on the bench with lots of appearances as a sub?
So without trawling through last few pages, has he refused to play?Not to my knowledge, has an alleged thigh strain hence not in Portugal
So without trawling through last few pages, has he refused to play?
And on the weekend's he's not playing, he can always pop over to Germany for a visit.
Clearly he'd need to earn his place and certainly wouldn't be guaranteed starts. He only played 90 minutes a couple of times for RB, subbed on the hour 3 times and one on and one off at half time and the rest were 10-20 minute sub appearance so he had a mixed spell there anyway.
Not to my knowledge, has an alleged thigh strain hence not in Portugal
Doesn’t look like it. Which to me is quite promising. So what if he’d prefer to be somewhere else. If he’s not kicking up a fuss there’s no reason why we can’t keep him. Plus I think when he’s in the team and doing well he’ll be happy here
Do we think he'll get many starting roles with Richarlison and Walcott?
Do we think he'll get many starting roles with Richarlison and Walcott?
Do we think he'll get many starting roles with Richarlison and Walcott?
Come on Gash, you may not be as big of fan as I am, but claiming he had a mixed spell at Leipzig is crazy. Truly. Not only did he get 5 goals and 3 assists in 11 games (an outstanding return), but he also started all four of Leipzig's last four games, going the full 90 in three of them.
Of course he was not going to be an instant starter when he came into a strong Bundesliga team half-way through the season. What especially matters is how he was being treated at the end of his loan, and from that perspective, it really could not have gone any better. He came in during a tough spell for the team, earned his minutes in training and in matches, and then was rewarded with significant game time. It's not like Leipzig were just handing him garbage minutes at the end of a long season either -- they were fighting for Champs and Europa League spots right through the last game of the season.
Of course it was mixed, that's not saying he was rubbish though. I haven't the time nor the interest in digging out reviews (they're only the reviewers opinion anyway) or some clips of his goals, they only give a snippet anyway. But from what I've can see he scored on his debut, then went a few games without a goal and receiving fairly average ratings, but had two good games against Hertha and Wolfsburg scoring three of his five goals and two of his three assists so he certainly ended his spell.
You rate him and that's fine, I don't have a problem with that but I think it's clear that he doesn't want to be here both from the bids continuing to come in and Rangnick's comments today and earlier in the summer. Lookman himself also refused to rule out going back when asked at the end of the season. We can debate all day long as to whether he should have been loaned there or not, I don't think he did enough to warrant being in the squad every week and it's not like loaning out young, fringe first teamers is uncommon but despite the previous regime being removed he still seems to want a move, let him go and move on as far as I'm concerned, no point having a young player here who doesn't want to be here.
I would think that it is obvious that a player can have a hugely successful loan spell despite having mixed games. A few bad games does not automatically make a loan spell mixed. No player goes on loan and plays exceptionally every match, and I don't think anyone expected that to happen for Lookman. In turn, Lookman's loan spell as a whole -- from a playing perspective, considering expectations going in, and assessed in its entirety -- was anything but mixed. I don't think I can think of another Everton loan spell that has so enhanced a player's reputation. For a lot of people outside of our Everton bubble, it put Lookman on the map.
Do me a favour, stop editing your posts every few minutes. It gives a notification whenever you do it so I've had about 12 notifications from your last two replies to me and I can't be arsed reading through it every time to see what you've added/deleted/changed. Cheers.
https://twitter.com/swearimnotpaul/status/1020602879172849664
Thing is, apart from Leipzig, Lookman hasn't said a thing about what's going on. I've not heard him say he wants to leave.
So all we are hearing is about a couple of bids and a mouthy Leipzig chairman.
Thing is, apart from Leipzig, Lookman hasn't said a thing about what's going on. I've not heard him say he wants to leave.
So all we are hearing is about a couple of bids and a mouthy Leipzig chairman.
Experience tells me there is generally no smoke without fire
Experience tells me there is generally no smoke without fire
Silva did an interview with Myers earlier and made noises about wanting Lookman to stay.
Again, may all be posturing so they can get him to put a request in and forego his loyalty bonus. (Also, if we accept a bid and the buying club are offering less wages we actually leave ourselves open to "making up the difference").
There’s no way we’d pay lookman something his contract doesn’t state to go. That only happens when you need the wage off the books
Ok, well, like people talking about transfer kitties and stuff, it's clear how you have just responded there that you're ignorant to how employment contracts work in football.
You say we wouldn't pay him if it isn't in his contract?
Well, his contract says we will pay him £xm a year for the next 3 years.
If we sell him, then it is us who have broken that contract and we would be liable for that. If he goes onto get gainful employment, then his claim is diminished by the amount he then earns. It's what did Leeds in and it's why were sueing the Dutch FA & Koeman.
If he hands a transfer request in then he forgoes any claim to said monies because it is him wanting to break the contract. It's the main reason we did what we did with people like Lescott and Rooney. We save/the player loses out loads of they formally request to leave.
I keep banging on about it but Richarlison has the ability to play through the middle and having him and Lookman developing a partnership as two of the front three could blitz teams.
http://www.skysports.com/football/news/15134/11447405/would-selling-ademola-lookman-to-rb-leipzig-be-a-mistake-by-evertonBut they write that Silva has said, not even alledgely, that he is NOT for sale.
But they write that Silva has said, not even alledgely, that he is NOT for sale.
But later on they write that they believe in german papers that RBL is closing in on EFC £20m valuation.
Are Sky so adamant to sell our players that they dont even want to listen to first hand sources. A bit Trump like that...
Just posted a story on Instagram with two planes on it. Looks like he's off.Really hope not.
I'm probably overreacting, but every inch of my body thinks selling Lookman is bad idea and will come back to bite us. I really hope he stays.
I don’t blame him really but it’s a shame. Will be lauded by the press for making a brave move abroad and have a feeling it will work out well for him.
Been rumours he’s struggled to settle in Liverpool and that he club set him up in a hotel in town on his bill and he’s been very lonely and not into it. Hope we learn from this to invest in the process of helping players settle into the club, city and culture.
Understand what you're saying mate, but this is surely a standard thing. Walcott was in the Titanic for weeks before he got himself set up. They have the means to bring friends and family up with them. The club can only do so much to help a player settle and I think Everton are usually pretty good at that type of thing.
Yeah couldn’t say to be fair, no idea how the club are with this stuff but that soccernomics book has almost a whole chapter on it - some clubs are good at it and have members of staff who’s job is to help players settle, other clubs not so good at it.
The rumour I saw was that Lookman was in a hotel for months and had struggled to bond with anyone because of it.
Chances are it’s just the RBL are better than us, he’s actually played over there and in the next few years they’ll be playing regular CL and going for trophy’s with a young exciting team- fair enough.
Yeah couldn’t say to be fair, no idea how the club are with this stuff but that soccernomics book has almost a whole chapter on it - some clubs are good at it and have members of staff who’s job is to help players settle, other clubs not so good at it.
The rumour I saw was that Lookman was in a hotel for months and had struggled to bond with anyone because of it.
Chances are it’s just the RBL are better than us, he’s actually played over there and in the next few years they’ll be playing regular CL and going for trophy’s with a young exciting team- fair enough.
We do have a dedicated player liaison officer, but you're probably right. There are always improvements to be made. I personally think it's more to do with the fact he's had more opportunities thus far at Leipzig. I just don't feel we should sell him. If he really wants to go to Germany again, then I'd loan him because either he'll be back for us next season or we'd sell him for more in a year's time.It’s called the Barca way
If we sell him for 20m it will be comparable to any of the dreadful business we’ve done these last couple of seasons. If we loaned him to the championship and he did well we’d get more than 20m for him
I don’t blame him really but it’s a shame. Will be lauded by the press for making a brave move abroad and have a feeling it will work out well for him.
Been rumours he’s struggled to settle in Liverpool and that he club set him up in a hotel in town on his bill and he’s been very lonely and not into it. Hope we learn from this to invest in the process of helping players settle into the club, city and culture.
Funny how anyone who doesn't actually play any games for us goes up in everyone's estimation.
Funny how anyone who doesn't actually play any games for us goes up in everyone's estimation.
But on the other hand, he doesnt want to play for us, hes seen his arse and his titty lip has come out, and if we kept hold of him, he would be a lazy twat around the club. Richarlison by all accounts, is 100% focussed, works hard, and sweats blood - not to mention affects games consistently. Its a shame things went the way they did with Lookman, but we arent in a position to accept shit like this now, if we dont up our game and work with players that WANT to play for Everton, then things could get a bit messy in a transitional year or two.
Yeah, big sell-on clause.Or there’s something wrong within our club
If Lookman and Klassen tear it up over there, can we agree the Bundesliga is shite?
To be fair, I think we've seen enough to know he's got a bit about him. For example, he completely changed the game at Anfield in the FA Cup in January. A few flashes of brilliance for us and a decent return on goals/assists in Germany justifies people rating him the way they do IMO.
I mean in general. Besic's star rises the longer he doesn't play a game and people were championing Garbutt again last season. Absence does indeed make the heart grow fonder it seems.
I like the lad and he has lots of skill but I think he is just too lightweight for this league ,yes there are slightly built players but they are as hard as nails and I don't think he is .
He is only 20 though. Plenty of time to develop those attributes. It's terrible business if we do decide to cash in now IMO.
I mean in general. Besic's star rises the longer he doesn't play a game and people were championing Garbutt again last season. Absence does indeed make the heart grow fonder it seems.
Shite business to lose him whatever way you cut it, especially to thrifty operators rather than a mega bid a few years down the line.Need a sell on clause Hope they did one for Klassen as well.
He was very impressive in Germany.
I mean in general. Besic's star rises the longer he doesn't play a game and people were championing Garbutt again last season. Absence does indeed make the heart grow fonder it seems.
Hmm
He had one good game of no consequence that flattered his stats.
He might've just got his pilot's licence or summat.
Just the one good game, was it?
Sound
So it looks like we'll sell Lookman and Klaassan and have bought Richarlison for around the same price and probably saved a little on the wage bill, which delivers on both Brands and Silva's wishes. Surely that's a positive in amongst all the negativity.
So it looks like we'll sell Lookman and Klaassan and have bought Richarlison for around the same price and probably saved a little on the wage bill, which delivers on both Brands and Silva's wishes. Surely that's a positive in amongst all the negativity.
I’ll have you a bet that lookman posts better numbers than Richarlison next season (if he moves)
I think it just means we haven’t made any real progress. We needed both not to switch 1 for the other and at great cost to us
Hard to see how selling our best prospect for relative buttons is a positive to be honest. £20m buys you an average PL player these days. This lad has got all the tools to be very, very good and is still only 20 years old. Selling now would be madness from a football and business perspective.
Lookman is an Everton player until the club say he isn't. The last 4 or 5 pages on here are bordering on mass hysteria. Two planes on an instagram post. lolol
He also may have the attitude to end up doing fuck all with his career.
Who is being hysterical? People just don't want to see our best prospects leave the club for what will likely be a relatively small fee.
As far as the Instagram post is concerned, it's just something that would suggest he's on the move. He may or may not be, but it's more reliable than most of the links that get posted to nonsense transfer rumours.
I’ll have you a bet that lookman posts better numbers than Richarlison next season (if he moves)
I think it just means we haven’t made any real progress. We needed both not to switch 1 for the other and at great cost to us
Ok. I will start to put less milk in my Coffee from now on. And wait for some tangible news. ;)
To be fair, if this forum was all about tangible news then 90% of posts would have to be removed.
£20m's not a bad fee for him, people making out we're selling him for less than we paid. Even with inflated prices, outside of the Premier League and the European super rich, clubs aren't paying massive fees for players so quoting prices paid between English clubs a fairly irrelevant, especially for a player with so little appearances.Fees inside the Premier League absolutely are relevant because, as a Premier League club, we have to pay inflated fees.
Fees inside the Premier League absolutely are relevant because, as a Premier League club, we have to pay inflated fees.
The fees we demand in return should really reflect that for players we want to keep.
It's of absolutely no consequence what he does in Germany, though, is it?
Fees inside the Premier League absolutely are relevant because, as a Premier League club, we have to pay inflated fees.
The fees we demand in return should really reflect that for players we want to keep.
It's of absolutely no consequence what he does in Germany, though, is it?
But teams outside of the Premier League, bar a handful, can't pay those fees. We have to be realistic when faced with situations that aren't ideal.
Lookman is an Everton player until the club say he isn't. The last 4 or 5 pages on here are bordering on mass hysteria. Two planes on an instagram post. lolol
Surely when selling a prospect you have to consider his potential. So what he does after we sell him will be the evidence of if we got a good deal or not?
What is more pertinent is what we do with the money/how we replace him. Once they're gone they're gone. What Everton do has to be our main focus.
He's only little...dunno why he needs 2 planes
Of course but the less we get the harder it becomes to improve with it. We can’t get a top championship prospect with what’s been reported to be the fee
But teams outside of the Premier League, bar a handful, can't pay those fees. We have to be realistic when faced with situations that aren't ideal.So does Lookman though.
So does Lookman though.
If Everton aren't offered a fee with which we he can be adequately replaced, he shouldn't be sold.
If Brands and Silva think they can? Crack on then. But swapping Lookman for Richarlison, and paying an extra £20m for the privilege, is not what we should be looking to do.
Unless we think Richarlison is twice as likely to make it to the top ;)Transfer fees are exponential, not linear, G! ;)
Transfer fees are exponential, not linear, G! ;)
It shouldn't be either/or. I want them BOTH starting, unless we are getting big money from Lookman that we are putting immediately into a Batshuayi (or similar CF). Move Walcott to the middle, I am nonplussed with Tosun.
Leipzig made the Europa semis, and they are desperate to have him there. Hardly some minor footy outpost, certainly better calibre than Watford.
We have got a top international prospect though with the reported Lookman fee and the anonymous Klaassan fee. Therefore you'd have to say the first team has been improved for little outlay. Which is what it's all about.
I think people are just rationalizing because they don't want to think "oh, shit, here we go again with the same terrible business decision-making problems we've always had" - but I try to stay as objective as I can, and this just ain't good at all.
Losing our top prospect for peanuts, replacing him with the new manager's favourite for double the fee. That's it. Defense a shambles, less than 2 weeks from kickoff. Troubling.
It's not peanuts and we're not replacing him, he started one game in the Premier League and was on loan for the second half of the season, there's nothing there to replace.
By that argument we might as well just get rid of all our youth teams. They'd be no loss
Based on what exactly? As far as I'm concerned, he challenged himself in going to a very good team in one of the best leagues in the world and by all accounts did quite well. Nothing to suggest he hasn't got the attitude to make it as a very good player.
Based on reports very soon after he arrived surfacing that he wanted to go back to London, or that despite us being a team massively lacking pace and a creative spark he hardly figured under Koeman or Allardyce, then decided he didn't want to go on the loan the club had arranged and instead engineered a move of his choice with his agent, and then this summer has obviously made it clear to RBZ that he wants to go back despite both our new manager and director of football stating they want him to play an important role this season and he subsequently misses pre-season via 'injury'.
He looks like he's got the talent, but at the end of the day in the 18 months since he signed he scored on his debut, and then scored twice in a dead rubber european game. At Premier League level he's *just* potential. We'll have more than doubled our money on him as there's no way he's featured anywhere near enough for anything bar the initial fee to have been triggered.
Reports or rumours? It does seem like he wants to go to Leipzig and personally I can't understand why.
I'm just saying we shouldn't sell for buttons when he's still got years left on his contract and his value is only likely to increase in the next 12 months. There is no way we get a player of his potential for the same price, so makes absolutely no sense to sell.
So is it the 'rumoured fee' that's getting everyone upset or selling the player? Seems most people are more bothered about the cost rather the player and as long as we rinse RBL then that'll be okay.
I can't remember anyone making as little a contribution to the team causing such a stir and we've had our fair share of overhyped youngstes in the past.
So is it the 'rumoured fee' that's getting everyone upset or selling the player? Seems most people are more bothered about the cost rather the player and as long as we rinse RBL then that'll be okay.
I can't remember anyone making as little a contribution to the team causing such a stir and we've had our fair share of overhyped youngstes in the past.
Most of them wouldn't be.
So is it the 'rumoured fee' that's getting everyone upset or selling the player? Seems most people are more bothered about the cost rather the player and as long as we rinse RBL then that'll be okay.
I can't remember anyone making as little a contribution to the team causing such a stir and we've had our fair share of overhyped youngstes in the past.
cos 2 negative managers didnt know how to best use them, we should get rid of them?
I'd say a bit of both. Not happy we're selling him, because I think he's got all the attributes to be a great player. However, every player has their price but it looks like we're about to sell him on the cheap.
I think people concerned about selling him think he has very high potential indeed, and feel the club have mismanaged him from day 1.
£20m's not cheap for a player with four Premier League starts under his belt, that's supposing it's the fee he goes for though.
I think people concerned about selling him think he has very high potential indeed, and feel the club have mismanaged him from day 1.
My issue isn't necessarily that Lookman may go, it's the likelyhood of us being out of time and keeping bolasie/mirallas .
Im over it now.
I really hope brands accelerates the incoming and outgoing a lot. We've got rid of how many toward that magical 25?? and added one so far.
Yeah I'm keeping positive but what a huge blow it will be if our new look team we wete so excited about are as hopeless as what we had before.
If you don't factor in what he did with Leipzig (or just breezily discount it because it's Bundesliga, not the almighty Prem, which was 1 great side, 5 decent ones, and a world of shite last season), then sure, 20 seems ballpark reasonable.
I took the time to actually watch some of those Leipzig games.
Like the Bundesliga?
I didn't, happy to admit it but it's still a very small snippet to base things on, especially when it appears three of his goals and two assists came in the last two games. RBL seem to see something in him but it's probably just potential as well, hence why they're not going to throw silly money at him in case he doesn't fulfill it.
Out of interest, what fee do you think we should be looking for?
35m would be the minimal acceptable bid, with sell-on percentage. I'd prefer 40-45m, he's shown real ability in a Top 5 League, good enough for a side playing in Europe. Young, fast, incredibly athletic, will only get better.
Other people defended/supported that minimum price range LAST week, when we could argue that the bids being rumoured were just rumours. Very few people thought we were getting a market offer 10-15 pages ago or so.I understand the sell on clause and I'm sure Leipzig would be OK with that. But to ask them for 35M for a kid who has played 1000 minutes of top flight football when nobody else seems interested in him is a kin to telling them he's not for sale.
It's only now that it looks like it's actually happening that anyone is suddenly saying that 20m would be fine business. Like I said, it's rationalization.
We're kind of going round in circles with this but I didn't say we should get rid of them, I said if we did most of them wouldn't be a miss. That's not just my opinion, that's a fact and not just at our club but all clubs, very few players make it to a top level and even less at the club they were in the academy at. Whether you like it or not, the majority of players knocking on the first team door won't get a game, not because of miss management or anything like that, just that they're simply not good enough.
It's not helping how much of a positive vibe Wolves and Fulham have been able to establish for the start of their return seasons, whilst we are stuck in muck. Yet another pride injury, I suppose.
I agree with most of us, apart from that they're not good enough, how can we tell they're not good enough, especially being in teams that where managed by negative managers..
Can’t see us getting anything over £20m for him there’s only ever been something like 25 transfers in the history of the Bundesliga that have breached that figure previously and the vast majority of them involved Bayern.
My Fiancee just changed her profile pic on Facebook and I'm not in it. Going by the reactions on here it must definitely mean i'm dumped. Ah well at least that's a few quid saved.
This might not turn out so well....
Gulp, I just saw a plane ticket to Leipzig on the kitchen table, who would have thought they both were connected. Guess I should have jumped to conclusions :shock:
Daily mail reporting leipzig have improved their bid to £18m and we are holding out for £20m
Aren't leizpig flush with cash though? Or am I getting that wrong.
Aren't leizpig flush with cash though? Or am I getting that wrong.
They are but have a pretty clear strategy about how they go about things. They'll have an eye on Lookman going back to the Premier League in a few years for multiples of what they pay for him so it doesn't work to massively overpay at this stage.
That is assuming the prophecy of Lookman youve made up in your head comes true.....
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/transfers/everton-transfer-news-ademola-lookman-deal-rb-leipzig-a8470961.html
''Leipzig had hoped that £20m would be enough to secure Lookman’s permanent signature, but have found Everton reluctant to negotiate further and so have not yet submitted a third bid for the player''
Sounds like we are still reluctant to sell him, in keeping with Brands and Silva's comments.
But but but, he put planes on his Instagram!! Fucking planes!!!! :bonk:(https://images.ridemonkey.com/index.php?size=full&src=http%3A%2F%2Fonionzeta.files.wordpress.com%2F2007%2F09%2Fislafantasia.jpg)
Be like a new signing if he stays
But but but, he put planes on his Instagram!! Fucking planes!!!! :bonk:
I suppose there is still the potential we tell the lad to shut up, stop moaning and put your boots on. Which looks likely the longer Walcott stays AWOL.
Baz on Toffee TV said Walcott was back in training, after his injury, yesterday. Dunno if true or not.
Hope so, he's one of the very few with a football brain. He might have had his critics at Arsenal but years spent playing with quality players at the highest level means he stands out in our team. You'd like to think Silva can utilise him more than the lone furrows he was ploughing under Allardyce.
Yeah I didn't wanna sign him. Couldn't have been more wrong.
I suppose there is still the potential we tell the lad to shut up, stop moaning and put your boots on. Which looks likely the longer Walcott stays AWOL.
Walcott meh
Heathen!
Walcott's ace. Easily my favorite outfield player for Everton at the moment.
Walcott's ace. Easily my favorite outfield player for Everton at the moment.
Reports in Germany lookman’s getting his way.
Big Kev Mirallas, please step forward.
Reports in Germany lookmans getting his way.
Big Kev Mirallas, please step forward.
Reports in Germany lookman’s getting his way.
Big Kev Mirallas, please step forward.
Who exactly were we expecting Lookman to keep out of the starting 11 ? Walcott or Richarlison ?
He knows that he is a starter at Leipzig and a steady bench warmer with us, can’t blame the kid.
He's played both flanks. ANYWAY! FOUR FOUR FUCKING TWO! would fix it :)Pickford
Coleman ----- Jags ----- CB ----- Digne
Lookman ----- Gana ----- Sig ----- Richarlison
Walcott ----- Tosun
Started off as a joke, but may actually look ok, with Gana (Drinkwater) deeper and Sig closer to the attack. Assuming we had a decent CB come in and full backs and widemen worked intelligently out of posession :) Would never happen as Silva will stick to his 4-3-3 :D
No way Lookman keeps a fit Walcott out. I could see the argument for playing Walcott through the middle and Lookman and Richarlison on the wings, but Walcott is streets ahead.
Walcott will keep himself out don’t worry about it
Injuries, you mean?
Yeah, missed 79 games over the last 5 seasons due to injuries, including a 280 day ACL injury.
Have to wonder when and how hard his physical cliff will be.
I’m being harsh on him though, practically a revelation when he joined. I’m just feeling very frustrated with the Lookman thing and taking it out on poor Theo.
Who exactly were we expecting Lookman to keep out of the starting 11 ? Walcott or Richarlison ?
He knows that he is a starter at Leipzig and a steady bench warmer with us, can’t blame the kid.
I’m 100% with you, particularly the last sentence.
The chance of having Richarlison, Lookman, Walcott as forward options is tantalising, and fucking annoying that it won’t happen.
442 is probably the most balanced formation when you get the system right
I'm surprised not many teams use it anymore
I'm not even so much bothered about Lookman, we'll find other players like him with potential. I'm just really hoping to see Theo and Richarlison in the same team together and have a feeling it might be some time before that happens. Like when I wanted to see Arteta and Fellaini in center midfield or Limpar and Kanchelskis on at the same time. Rarely if ever happened.
Primarily because you can counter teams easily with it using wingbacks or 4-5-1/4-1-4-1 and it has less defensive cover. It also stretches the midfield 4 if opposition fullbacks push on. IMO, Walcott is best used wide right, making late runs into the box from the wing.
The problem with Lookman, so I have been told, is that he has never liked it in Liverpool, and doesn't want to stay here as he feels he cannot settle. Apparently his attitude all summer has been highly questionable too, with Silva taking offence at it, especially after both Silva and Brands have stated they see him as an important part of the first-team.
That all sounds very plausible.
Brands and Silva are doing their utmost to entice him to stay, but he also feels let down by Koeman and Allardyce and feels he has wasted the last 2 years.
I get the not settling bit but these constant references back to Koeman and Allardyce are tiresome and completely irrelevant.
Only passing on what I have been told. :thumbsup:
The problem with Lookman, so I have been told, is that he has never liked it in Liverpool, and doesn't want to stay here as he feels he cannot settle. Apparently his attitude all summer has been highly questionable too, with Silva taking offence at it, especially after both Silva and Brands have stated they see him as an important part of the first-team.Put a £30 mill price tag on him then, that's what every fucker is doing with all our targets, if nobody pays it he'll soon come around
This is going to go on until the end of August isn't it
Nope, window shuts in just over a week.
Nope, window shuts in just over a week.Only in England
If it's true about his attitude this summer then he needs to put in a transfer request so that he forfeits any loyalty bonuses as he shouldn't get a penny.
He needs to realise he was plucked from obscurity and brought into the limelight by us
I couldn't care less what he thinks about koeman or allardyce as they're not around now obviously
What the kid really needs to do is get his head down and push for a first team place
If not hand in a transfer request and lose your bonuses
If true about his attitude of course
Only passing on what I have been told. :thumbsup:
Brands and Silva are doing their utmost to entice him to stay, but he also feels let down by Koeman and Allardyce and feels he has wasted the last 2 years.
Maybe he can find sentiment in that we all also have felt like we wasted two years.
If he wants to leave then his agent better drum up a business willing to pay up. If I was in charge I would accept nothing less than £30m or a fee of £20m with a 50% sell on fee and additional £5-7m if he runs out his contract without being sold.
Not going to be held hostage. If he doesn't like living in Liverpool he never should excepted our generous offer to come to the Premier League.
Other Premier teams where watching him/after him too..
i find it astounding that we want 30 m for a player who hasnt played for us at.
Hopefully Silva and Brands can convince him we are heading in a new path and that Lookman is important to us.
I know I've mentioned it previously but with Onyekuru starting brightly in Turkey and here next summer we might just decide to sell Lookman then if they pony up enough cash. If the kid doesn't fancy it then spend the cash on a new centre half.
If it's true about his attitude this summer then he needs to put in a transfer request so that he forfeits any loyalty bonuses as he shouldn't get a penny.
He needs to realise he was plucked from obscurity and brought into the limelight by us
I couldn't care less what he thinks about koeman or allardyce as they're not around now obviously
What the kid really needs to do is get his head down and push for a first team place
If not hand in a transfer request and lose your bonuses
If true about his attitude of course
You'd think with a new manager and loads off lads his own age around the first team he'd be happy?
Yeah, I was banking on this.
Doesn’t look like it’s had much of an effect, though.
Got to wonder if he’s got much in common with the other young players. His bio on Twitter (I think it’s twitter) says god is great. We probably need to marry him off rather than get him on the party scene.
Regardless we’ve struggled to get numbers in this window so surely it would be crazy to sell 1 we want to keep. He needs to be told no. That we’ll look at it again in jan. Then given plenty of opportunities with us
Sounds like our resident miserable fucker has a soft spot for Ade Lookman. ..I'm truly humbled :thumbsup:
He’s 1 of my faves. I could make a good 5 a side team out of who I like. Don’t hate them all
I’m going to guess: Pickford, Coleman, Baines/Digne, Lookman, Richarlison
I'm only putting that number there because that's what the market dictates. People pay a premium for young English potential. Look at James Madison who went for £23m and has never played in the prem. ademola is worth as much as he should be - if not more.
Yeah probably that’s about right. Don’t mind Tosan or Walcott either. Lot of time for Jagielka too though he’s obviously over the hill now. Even sigurdsson under different circumstances (smaller fee and not signed as our playmaker)
that premium is only for English teams, selling English/premier league players abroad, that premium is subtracted :p
But why would we accept that on a player we don’t want to lose.
i dont want to lose him either, but some fans say he's not good..
he's hardly played for us,, so that reflects his value to RB, we cant just keep bumping up the price, when he really hasnt played for us.
i dont want to lose him either, but some fans say he's not good..
he's hardly played for us,, so that reflects his value to RB, we cant just keep bumping up the price, when he really hasnt played for us.
On the positive side, his body language looked encouraging yesterday (watched the match intently, looked keen to get onto the pitch), and the crowd's enormous support can only help.
Thought he looked sulky in my opinion.
On the positive side, his body language looked encouraging yesterday (watched the match intently, looked keen to get onto the pitch), and the crowd's enormous support can only help.........................are you being sarcastic ? From my seat in the Main Stand he looked like he wasn't arsed when the subs were warming up . Got a good reception from the crowd though .
Maybe he can find sentiment in that we all also have felt like we wasted two years.A-fucking-men brother
If he wants to leave then his agent better drum up a business willing to pay up. If I was in charge I would accept nothing less than £30m or a fee of £20m with a 50% sell on fee and additional £5-7m if he runs out his contract without being sold.
Not going to be held hostage. If he doesn't like living in Liverpool he never should excepted our generous offer to come to the Premier League.
https://amp.theguardian.com/football/2018/aug/05/marco-silva-everton-must-sign-central-defender-transfer-deadline
However, Silva has insisted Ademola Lookman will not be leaving despite interest from RB Leipzig, where he enjoyed a successful loan spell last season. He is our player and he stays, the Everton manager said.
https://amp.theguardian.com/football/2018/aug/05/marco-silva-everton-must-sign-central-defender-transfer-deadline
However, Silva has insisted Ademola Lookman will not be leaving despite interest from RB Leipzig, where he enjoyed a successful loan spell last season. “He is our player and he stays,” the Everton manager said.
Does anyone else read that as him saying aside from Holgate who's injured we haven't got a decent CB? Its true like, but for him to say it in an interview is surprising.I read it as saying we only have three central defenders and one of them is injured.
I read it as saying we only have three central defenders and one of them is injured.
https://amp.theguardian.com/football/2018/aug/05/marco-silva-everton-must-sign-central-defender-transfer-deadline
However, Silva has insisted Ademola Lookman will not be leaving despite interest from RB Leipzig, where he enjoyed a successful loan spell last season. “He is our player and he stays,” the Everton manager said.
That took long enough
He seems to be a cancer within the club.How can you possibly know that? Everything on this thread is pure conjecture.
How can you possibly know that? Everything on this thread is pure conjecture.I didn’t say I know that i said he SEEMS to be.
I didn’t say I know that i said he SEEMS to be.
He seems to be a cancer within the club. Can't be good having him around just like the Mirallas scenario, sell on deadline day when some desperate club will pay top dollar for him.Cancer is a bit extreme!
https://twitter.com/joannaaicher/status/1026044068088958976?s=21
£30m asking price
I think we should lock him in st ruperts tower until deadline day.
https://twitter.com/SkySportsPL/status/1027513407958929414
https://twitter.com/SkySportsPL/status/1027513407958929414
Sky sources being the guy Alan Myers spoke to:Johnny come lately
https://twitter.com/ALANMYERSMEDIA/status/1027516766220689411
Nah! Just good negotiating from Everton. Still think he will be sold.
£30m price tag, good move - by us
You missed the part where everyone decided I was insane for saying 30-35 (plus sell-on fee), minimum, last week. Glad management agreed 20m wasn't value at all, whether Bundesliga only pay that or nae.
With the new signings it does seem like we have a lot of wide players, do you think he'll get a look in, or is it more likely that he'll be a bit part player (at best)?
I think both richarlison and Bernard could play in the middle behind cenk
“He is our present and our future”
That’s like something you say to a girl to ensure you get a blowie before the evening is over.
Actually laughed out loud at that one, while walking round town. Cheers.
It's up to the lad now to prove he has the tools to do the job now. 2 years and not a lot to show for it. He's now of age, but I don't think he's as good as Bernard, Walcott or Richarlison. Not yet at least.
18 months. 6 of which were spent at RBL, where I'd say he has plenty "to show for it".Needs to show it here. Not bothered about the splash of form he had over there. Apart from a goal against city and that meaningless game in Europe he’s really struggled with us.
Needs to show it here. Not bothered about the splash of form he had over there. Apart from a goal against city and that meaningless game in Europe he’s really struggled with us.
Hope he makes it but the onus is on him to prove it.
That's a very ignorant view to take. We sent him out on loan to develop, and the evidence he has done just that. Yes he needs to take his chance, but he's a young kid who made a 2 league jump and got very few chances. He was handled poorly from the outset in terms of his development.
That's a very ignorant view to take. We sent him out on loan to develop, and the evidence he has done just that. Yes he needs to take his chance, but he's a young kid who made a 2 league jump and got very few chances. He was handled poorly from the outset in terms of his development.It’s the facts. And Silva said as much in that article I posted.
It’s the facts. And Silva said as much in that article I posted.
We also wanted to send him to Derby as he would have got more minutes there.
There doesn't need to be pressure on the lad. "Time to step up" is a ridiculous argument from you both. He's a young player that needs nurturing in order that he reaches his potential. Proper 'bloke down the pub' shout the whole "time to perform" bollocks.
The "he thinks he's better than he is" shouts are also just as daft.
He doesn’t seem to think anything that’s not true. It appears he wanted to play elsewhere but as they actually wanted him he’s obviously right to think he could play there
Like to see him start today (assuming a lot of our new players aren’t quite ready)
Good that we’ve got plenty of options in his postitions now so there’s not pressure for him to carry our attack
Just read this. Perfect assessment of the situation.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/football/2018/aug/10/marco-silva-ademola-lookman-everton
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Really good read that
There doesn't need to be pressure on the lad. "Time to step up" is a ridiculous argument from you both. He's a young player that needs nurturing in order that he reaches his potential. Proper 'bloke down the pub' shout the whole "time to perform" bollocks.So you disagree with Silva as well then? He said pretty much what I’m saying in the article I posted. The onus is now on Lookman to finally perform for us.
The "he thinks he's better than he is" shouts are also just as daft.
Cant believe people still think he should have gone to Derby.
So what if he would have got more minutes at Derby, he did well at Leipzig and scored goals in front of big crowds, training with top players day in day out. He proved himself at a top club and is seen as one of the best players for his age in the country. Good for him for having the confidence to go to Germany and challenge himself more than he would have to do at Derby County.
Still think he’s going.
Still think he’s going.
Surely there’s no chance he leaves in this window now. Silva would look a bit daft if he did (unless lookman forced his way out)
He doesn’t want to be here.
He’ll try and force through a move and we’ll probably just end up accepting a big of 25mil.
Any money he’s not in the squad again today.
So Lookman doesn’t make the bench and looks to be pushing for a move and Jagielka throws the game for us. How quickly things can change. Hopefully Mina is ready to step in next week.
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If Lookman isn’t making the bench it’s his own fault.
Can’t understand how lenient some people are with him given that he seemingly doesn’t want to be here.
I've never known someone to contribute so little yet generate so much support.
I've never known someone to contribute so little yet generate so much support.
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If Lookman isn’t making the bench it’s his own fault.
Can’t understand how lenient some people are with him given that he seemingly doesn’t want to be here.
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? At what point did I say it’s not his fault?
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If Lookman isn’t making the bench it’s his own fault.
Can’t understand how lenient some people are with him given that he seemingly doesn’t want to be here.
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? At what point did I say it’s not his fault?
You didn’t.
But it just seemed odd to mention that he didn’t make it and link it to someone costing the game.
Sorry if misinterpreted.
You didn’t.
But it just seemed odd to mention that he didn’t make it and link it to someone costing the game.
Sorry if misinterpreted.
So you disagree with Silva as well then? He said pretty much what I’m saying in the article I posted. The onus is now on Lookman to finally perform for us.
Really not sure what’s got your knickers in a twist of late. You’re being very defensive and argumentative in this thread and another thread too.
My knickers aren't in the slightest of twists. It's just sad to see so many people seemingly unwilling to acknowledge that some young players need love and support to reach their potential, and not be saddled with unnecessary pressure. We signed him from League 1 and there should be no expectations that he should be needing to prove himself on the 1st team scene so soon. I personally don't think it was just that he got game time at RBL, but he was really shown the love, made to feel wanted and given an opportunity to develop. He wasn't given that by Koeman or Alardyce, for various reasons.
People need to stop blaming Allardyce and Koeman for the current situation though, they're gone. He's getting the arm round him now, Brands and Silva have both talked him up and said he's very much in their plans yet he still apparently wants to go.
It's up to him to fight for a place in the team, if he hasn't got the stomach for that and wants to move everytime he's not getting games then he's not going to get far. The funny thing is people keep using age as his defence yet he's only 5 months younger than Richarlison and about 8 months older than Tom Davies, so it's not pressure from the outside that's being put on him, there's players the same age and younger who are doing better than him, only he can address that.
Well Koeman and Allardyce are specifically the reason we find ourselves in this position, particularly the latter. He seems to be the type that needs an arm around the shoulder, and neither of those offered that. So yes, we can continue to blame them, it's their doing.
What's to suggest he hasn't the stomach for it? He fought for his place at RBL? It's not as though he went there and walked into the team, he earned it. And because he did so, can he really be blamed to see there as a better place to develop his game?
Age is completely a factor. Players develop at different rates. Rooney was ready at 16, Osman at 24. Because he's around the same age as Davies and Richarlison should have no bearing on how we judge him. All that we know is that he has raw talent and we have the opportunity to potentially develop him into a top player.
Well Koeman and Allardyce are specifically the reason we find ourselves in this position, particularly the latter. He seems to be the type that needs an arm around the shoulder, and neither of those offered that. So yes, we can continue to blame them, it's their doing.
What's to suggest he hasn't the stomach for it? He fought for his place at RBL? It's not as though he went there and walked into the team, he earned it. And because he did so, can he really be blamed to see there as a better place to develop his game?
Age is completely a factor. Players develop at different rates. Rooney was ready at 16, Osman at 24. Because he's around the same age as Davies and Richarlison should have no bearing on how we judge him. All that we know is that he has raw talent and we have the opportunity to potentially develop him into a top player.
Your point was he wasn't getting the arm put round him, he is now and what went on before should have a line drawn under it. It's just a convenient excuse for people.
I'm only speculating but going by Silva's comments he's said it's up to the player to show he's ready to play and regardless of the players signed he will play if he's good enough and doing enough, so he's been given assurances he'll play and is getting the arm round him but still doesn't want to be here.
We've a 50 odd page thread full of people telling us how good he is and using every excuse under the sun to defend him, if he's that good, or potentially that good then he's way ahead of Osman in his development and nearer to Rooney on some people's rating. Every week there's people moaning that he's not starting or in the squad(now and pre RB loan), he's been massively hyped and if anything the pressure's coming from people who rate him rather than the likes of Blarg saying he needs to step up, so for that reason he'll get compared to people of a similar age.
He obviously wants to leave, again Silva said it's up to him to make him happy again, that for me's a fairly clear suggestion that he's not happy at the moment.
I'd loan him out again and see how it goes but I don't really mind if we just sell him and move on, as said I don't remember such small contributor getting so much support. We've too much to look forward to rather than be worrying about Lookman and having Silva asked about him every week.
Bit like blaming your current girlfriend for your ex's failings, though. Let it go. If that's his mentality then he's better off leaving for all concerned, because when will he move on? Similarly for the fans - it was a bleak time for us but we (and the players) have to learn the lessons, draw a line and give Silva and Brands the chance to rebuild.
As for RBL, he'd made a point of going there, against the club's wishes - the least he could do is make an effort to earn his place. In reality, I think the club probably wanted to try out their loan signing and he took his chance when it came.
We have just seen true potential tear it up yesterday .....in every way better than Lookman at pretty much the same age .....if he's still adamant on moaning a move fuck him off for a huge fee or let him rot in the u23's ...I'm starting to realize he's nowhere near where he could/should be anyway .. .and we're not short in these areas now .
Bitterest blue I've ever come across you. You're probably the reason for the tag.
Oh bravo more quality posting from the nsno self appointed mothercare bully . lolol ...
you attack the lads in here so much I'm beginning to think your a klopp loving kopite . lolol
Far more at stake for Lookman than us fans getting over those two managers. This is the lads career, we're fans regardless. So that's a moot point really.
Well of course RBL are going to try out their loan players, why else take them. You're repeating my point, he took his chance when he was given it. What are you getting at here?
What I've taken issue with in this thread is individuals suggesting it's time for him to "step up to the plate" as though he's a seasoned pro who has failed to live up to expectations. He's got a lot of developing to do, and people should acknowledge that, whilst affording him the time to do so.To this I'd say people recognise that he has a lot of developing to do & he has plenty of support from fans. Equally, he seems to want first team football (fair enough, perhaps). But in order to make it into the first team, he clearly needs to show more than he already is in training. It's a 2 way thing - the onus isn't just on the club to make him a better player.
Or you know, we keep him as who else is going to play instead of Richalison?Bernard.
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/marco-silva-reveals-reason-behind-15021524.amp?__twitter_impression=true
Striking to get his move apparently
Ah well, In a bit lad
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/marco-silva-reveals-reason-behind-15021524.amp?__twitter_impression=true
Striking to get his move apparently
Ah well, In a bit lad
Has any other club apart from Leipzig shown any interest in Lookman ? just asking like.
Loan to Derby it is then
Would do him the world of good, become a star player there then come back next year and fight for a place.
Why would he make the drop down when he’s already proven himself at a higher level?
He might of proven himself in a league that has two dominant teams and a load of dross and if that’s where he wants to stay then up to him, should just put in a transfer request, we take the 20 mill and move on.
He might of proven himself in a league that has two dominant teams and a load of dross and if that’s where he wants to stay then up to him, should just put in a transfer request, we take the 20 mill and move on.
Not that I’m aware of and I’m sure we would have heard if an English club were in for him, strange really, you would have thought that his agent would have put it out there to generate some interest ?Not if the reason he wants to move is because he thinks not only is he likely to get more minutes at Leipzig but also that he's moving to a better team which will regularly compete in Europe.
That's spectacularly dismissive of the Bundesliga.
Why would he make the drop down when he's already proven himself at a higher level?I think the lad needs a reality check, reading between the lines it seems like he’s got an attitude problem, not good enough to be a regular starter for us or any team above us but seemingly to good to play for a team below our level in the prem or championship
Feels like people have no patience with young players anymore.
Feels like people have no patience with young players anymore.
Yes, we should be patient while he engineers a move away from the club.
Think our fingers got burnt with Ross tbh ....so we now have little or no time for people who don't wanna be here ...although we dont know the full story on Mola its not looking good after what Marco is saying.
Sorry but to me it seems like young player doesn’t have patience anymore with club that brought him up two divisions.
Say he does feel he’s better moving on who could blame him when we’ve spent about £70-90m on wingers since he came to the club himself? Even our record signing came in an played in his position and he’s never a winger.
Think it’s fair to say he’s a talented young lad with a lot of potential, why not hope to see the best of that here?
Not a great believer in forlorn hope, of course I would have liked to see him succeed here but I don’t believe he has the patience to work hard and seize the chance when it comes along, he wants away so just needs to put in a transfer request and he can go.
For a person who seems to spend a great deal of his time on here demanding “proof” you're basing a lot of this on no evidence it seems.
Id be tempted to offer him a new contract then send him out on loan as I cant see him getting much game time at all
Haven’t got a clue what you are talking about here so why don’t you just leave it.
Think its pretty obvious that hes downed tools in training myself.Well that's the rumour and he refused to travel
Well you said he won’t work hard, you said he won’t seize his chance, you said he wants away and you said we’d let him go if he put in a transfer request. But there’s no evidence to back any of that up really is there.
We’ve seen it before, been the other club as well, with more senior players and got past it. Think most acknowledge he’s a talented lad with a lot of potential, why wouldn’t you want to see him do well in blue?
Not like hes disappeared off on holiday and refusing to train or something.
Don’t think Silva has said much though has he? All I’ve read is he’s our player and staying, pretty standard stuff for a player linked with a move away really.
Given I rate the lad, I'd like to see the club make a stand on this one.
Show the likes of Richarlison and Pickford etc that kicking up a fuss isn't enough to get you a move.
The buying club actually needs to offer enough money first.
I didn’t say he won’t work hard, I said I DONT BELIEVE HE HAS THE PATIENCE TO WORK HARD = my personal opinion, others may have a different opinion.
Rangnick has said in numerous tweets/interviews that “we want to make it a permanent signing and so does Ademola” I have not seen a refutal of this claim from Lookman, have you ?
Left out Silvas choice (stated) ..doesnt fill with confidence ...when he went on to say Dowell was left out due to numbers .
Don’t think he’s had much of a pre season has he given the injury?
Don’t think he’s had much of a pre season has he given the injury?
Don’t think he’s had much of a pre season has he given the injury?
And you’ve no evidence to back up the claim that he won’t work hard or seize his opportunity. In fact if anything the successful loan and public statements of intent from RB are a fair indication he is willing to work hard and seize an opportunity if and when it comes along.
I’d have thought Lookman saying nothing is proof enough you of all people wouldn’t be jumping to conclusions. But also don’t you think it’s much better to hear nothing off a player in cases like these rather then there family members or agents running to the media every other week belittling the club?
Don’t think he’s had much of a pre season has he given the injury?
What injury?
To his ego????....or is it his titty lip?...
Was he even injured?..... or is that more gueswork by the press?.
Come on now Ross. You can make an intelligent guess for why he has been left out. If he was coming back from injury (which i dont think there ever was) then Silva would have just said that.
Have you any proof that he was injured ?
Happened after we played the Austrian pub team.
Yeah Silva said he took a knock.
Silva did say it.
Haha now you’re back to being a stickler about proof! Here you go straight from Silva.
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-winger-theo-walcott-expected-14927018
A slight knock that occurred early in pre-season.
I’m not sure that would’ve been enough to keep him out up until Saturday, or even the pre-season games.
Happened after we played the Austrian pub team.
Yeah Silva said he took a knock.
Silva did say it.
Haha now you’re back to being a stickler about proof! Here you go straight from Silva.
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-winger-theo-walcott-expected-14927018
It seems like Silva and Brands want to keep him, which I suppose is the most important thing.The funny thing is that the ones that they have already identified as surplis to requirements have either been shipped out or told that they have no future, so if they were looking to offload him, would they not have been a little morr open to dicussing RB's concrete offer on the table, or at least give them a price to start from?
People might say they are just keeping his price as high as possible, which is plausible, but everything we've heard from them both has suggested they would prefer to keep him and improve him.
If they're happy to do that, despite this speculation about his attitude not being amazing, I'm more than happy to trust that judgement. Lookman might not see it now, but Silva's apparent attention to detail and intense training sessions could be good for his development.
A slight knock now takes three weeks to heal :thumbsup: ...I smell a rat .
Walcott had his foot in a cast or one of those boot things over the summer. That sounds more than just a knock which is all Lookman apparently has. I see Walcott played Saturday.................who said Lookman has a knock ? he was fit enough to come on as sub v. Valencia even though he didn't look arsed . He looked like a moody kid who din't want to join in the game.
................who said Lookman has a knock ? he was fit enough to come on as sub v. Valencia even though he didn't look arsed . He looked like a moody kid who din't want to join in the game.
If you look at the footage of Silva being introduced to the crowd before the Valencia game, Lookman is sat on the back row with his arms folded. Everyone else is clapping Silva, he looks like someone just slapped him.
Really?
That’s pretty unnecessary if true; Silva hasn’t wronged him in any way, he should be gracious and clap like everyone else.
You would expect that kind of behaviour from an eight year old.
If you look at the footage of Silva being introduced to the crowd before the Valencia game, Lookman is sat on the back row with his arms folded. Everyone else is clapping Silva, he looks like someone just slapped him.
He is either a stubborn, immature boy, or is being advised poorly by his agent. He needs to stop thinking about a move and get his head down and start performing.
He has the talent to be something special, but talent doesn't mean shit if you don't work your balls off and have the mental strength alongside it when things aren't going your way.
OR he had a bad experience here under Koeman/Allardyce- had a great experience at Leipzig and wants to move there, despite changes here. If his heart is there and it feels right for him, we should sell with a buy back clause like Barce do with us. The Allardyce treatment was embarrassing and unprofessional - unfortunately, that might have solidified it for him.
What’s the point of a buy back clause when he will have no intention of playing here again? It would be worthless
If he wants a move then he needs to hand a transfer request in and we need to get the fee we think he’s worth
I’ve zero respect for someone who wants a move but won’t hand a transfer request in because they want their loyalty bonuses too. It’s practically fraud
I care about how much it would cost Everton to replace a promising young winger of Lookman's calibre (who we clearly do NOT want to lose), and our own internal valuation.
Steady on now, don’t know he has no intention of playing here again.
OR he had a bad experience here under Koeman/Allardyce- had a great experience at Leipzig and wants to move there, despite changes here. If his heart is there and it feels right for him, we should sell with a buy back clause like Barce do with us. The Allardyce treatment was embarrassing and unprofessional - unfortunately, that might have solidified it for him.
I don't give a tin shit about how much German teams usually bid on players.We've already replaced him with a young winger of a better calibre than lookman, he's a young Brazilian lad called richarlison. If lookman wants out let him go, other than a few glimpses of his potential he's not offered anything to suggest he's as good as some on here make him out to be.
I care about how much it would cost Everton to replace a promising young winger of Lookman's calibre (who we clearly do NOT want to lose), and our own internal valuation.
We will not be bullied into selling on the cheap. End of.
We ALL had a bad experience under Koeman/Allardyce (and we didn't get the luxury of going out on loan when Fat Boy was in charge), but none of us even thought for one second about leaving the club.
Neither do any of us get paid thousands each week to be part of it in some way.
He should thank his lucky fucking stars he has some semblance of a choice, because none of us poor bastards here do!
Really?
That’s pretty unnecessary if true; Silva hasn’t wronged him in any way, he should be gracious and clap like everyone else.
What’s the point of a buy back clause when he will have no intention of playing here again? It would be worthless
If he wants a move then he needs to hand a transfer request in and we need to get the fee we think he’s worth
I’ve zero respect for someone who wants a move but won’t hand a transfer request in because they want their loyalty bonuses too. It’s practically fraud
We ALL had a bad experience under Koeman/Allardyce (and we didn't get the luxury of going out on loan when Fat Boy was in charge), but none of us even thought for one second about leaving the club.
Neither do any of us get paid thousands each week to be part of it in some way.
He should thank his lucky fucking stars he has some semblance of a choice, because none of us poor bastards here do!
This is just a jokce, right?Of course it is, it’s just typical Blargs, tongue in cheek, I think it’s quite humorous, no serious intent.
It doesn't cost a penny. You don't need to replace a player who has a handful of starts and hasn't played in the first team in 2018 other than brief run out a preseason.No way. Young players who are potentially very, very good definitely need to be replaced.
No way. Young players who are potentially very, very good definitely need to be replaced.
You may not need to replace their performance in the immediate term. We're well stocked with Richarlison, Lookman and Onyekuru all playing down the left too, so you might not need to spend that money in the same position either.
But we do need to replace that potential *somewhere* and that does cost a pretty penny. Long term we need to be maintaining/increasing our number of under 23 players, not reducing it, and that will involve spending plenty of money. It's short-sighted not to.
I hate this viewpoint. So arrogant, and ignorant.
I hate this viewpoint. So arrogant, and ignorant.I’m glad you’ve taken offense.
I’m glad you’ve taken offense.
What was the joke?
We ALL had a bad experience under Koeman/Allardyce (and we didn't get the luxury of going out on loan when Fat Boy was in charge), but none of us even thought for one second about leaving the club.
Neither do any of us get paid thousands each week to be part of it in some way.
He should thank his lucky fucking stars he has some semblance of a choice, because none of us poor bastards here do!
I agree with most of that but that's not really the same. Of course we need to keep bringing on young players whether that's through our academy or going down the leagues and getting other young players with potential but that's just the cycle of any team sport. As an individual though Lookman doesn't need replaced as there's nothing there to replace.Yeah, we might be arguing about replacing from two different sides here. It's certainly not a Lukaku situation, where we've suddenly got to find 25 goals+assists a season.
Thanks. Hardly taken offence though, it's just not a very nice thing to say really, is it? Fair enough if it was meant as a joke. It's reflective of plenty I've read on here that isn't.
The only person who could possibly take offence out of that is Sam Allardyce when I called him Fat Boy, but after the 6 months of shit he gave us, I don't really give a fuck.
Nah, it was more the attitude displayed to our player. I know it's tongue in cheek, but I think others do actually harbour this ill feeling toward him. I hate seeing players seen only as commodities.
All indications appear that he doesn't want to play for us. He's under contract and if he wants to leave, he should be the one to forfeit any financial benefits that contract may include as he is technically breaking it by not having the right attitude to play.
If he wants out, then hand in a transfer request. It's that simple.
It's not personal, it's business.
And I haven't questioned that. I just hate the "fuck you" attitude.
Which didn't even exist in my post.
Just seen Lookman in training on Everton's Instagram. Guess he's not on strike, or has downed tools.
Look at the timeline on that photo, was taken in Irdning.
Que?Tap on the photo and see.
Tap on the photo and see.
You're assuming I'm referring to something different I think. This is a video, taken today. It's of Zouma in training. Lookman is in the background towards the end.........yes I've seen that on Twitter. Lookman looks like he pulls up with a strangulated hernia. :snigger:
Nah, it was more the attitude displayed to our player. I know it's tongue in cheek, but I think others do actually harbour this ill feeling toward him. I hate seeing players seen only as commodities.
No way. Young players who are potentially very, very good definitely need to be replaced.
You may not need to replace their performance in the immediate term. We're well stocked with Richarlison, Lookman and Onyekuru all playing down the left too, so you might not need to spend that money in the same position either.
But we do need to replace that potential *somewhere* and that does cost a pretty penny. Long term we need to be maintaining/increasing our number of under 23 players, not reducing it, and that will involve spending plenty of money. It's short-sighted not to.
There's some height in the team now.Some spread too, bascially a foot in old money between Bernard and Mina. Could bring a whole new dimension to "got him in his pocket"...
You're assuming I'm referring to something different I think. This is a video, taken today. It's of Zouma in training. Lookman is in the background towards the end.
Some spread too, bascially a foot in old money between Bernard and Mina. Could bring a whole new dimension to "got him in his pocket"...
Yes, selling short is always selling short. And if Lookman is someone who is currently in Silva's medium and long-term plans, then yes, he needs replacing. Players get injured. Players improve to the point they force transfers. Depth and youth are essential. If you have someone like Lookman who you believe will be a good, attacking player, you don't give him away easily because he pisses off a handful of fans or because he really wants to go and the Germans claim poverty.
And I will keep accepting Gash's tools every day forever for saying so (without reciprocating), it seems. No hard feelings. :D
I’m not assuming anything, you said instagram so I looked at Instagram, when you realised that the photo was from Austria you searched for something else which doesn’t really support your original claim,
or am I just assuming that ?
You actually are assuming something aren't you though? How do you know he meant the picture from Austria?Offline Jamokachi
Least his assumption made sense.
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Because he say INSTAGRAM !
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Because he say INSTAGRAM !
THE VIDEO HE IS ON ABOUT IS ALSO ON INSTAGRAM YOU LOON. I CAN WRITE IN CAPITALS TOO MATE!
SO SHOW ME THE FUCKIN VIDEO ON INSTAGRAM FROM TODAY WHERE HE IS ENJOYING TRAINING !
Does it really matter?
I’m not assuming anything, you said instagram so I looked at Instagram, when you realised that the photo was from Austria you searched for something else which doesn’t really support your original claim,
or am I just assuming that ?
1) his original claim was Lookman was in training on a post everton put on instagram today (this is correct)
2) Jamokachi tries to be civil and points out that it is actually you has got wrong end of stick (which you did)
3) you have a go at him forassuming (I think fairly assuming you have got mixed uo because you have) when you assumed he meant a picture from Austria (which he didn't)
It might be a little thing to most but you were making out that he was in the wrong when it was you
You’re wrong on all three counts, have a nice day and don’t get too stressed.
I mean I'm clearly not wrong on the instagram video thing when I've seen it myself on there. As I'm right about 1 that makes 2 and 3 correct too.
You've had a bit of a mare. All best
Without reading too much into absolutely nothing whatsoever, what do you think this means
Without reading too much into absolutely nothing whatsoever, what do you think this means
Don’t want to prolong this but that vid was added after original post but doesn’t really matter, so have a nice evening, no response required.
Without reading too much into absolutely nothing whatsoever, what do you think this means
I’m not assuming anything, you said instagram so I looked at Instagram, when you realised that the photo was from Austria you searched for something else which doesn’t really support your original claim,
or am I just assuming that ?
Do you think Lookman wants to play for Everton or do you think he preferably wants to play for RB Leipzig?
I only ask as you say players aren't commodities, but they sometimes just see themselves as employees (without any particular attachment to the club) and as such happy to move when a preferable opportunity arises. Not all players mind you.
I think fans (of all clubs, not just us) are guilty of forgetting the human aspect. This is a young kidExactly this! He strikes me as the kind of kid that would read and take to heart the shit written about him on social media. Also as fans we often treat players as guilty until proven innocent, probably born out of jealousy, the 'I would give my right nut to play for Everton' mentality. Both of these ways of thinking are perhaps a bit more acceptable towards an older player, but to a teen/20 year old its unnecessary and doesnt help the club (or country as in the case of sterling).
I think he would rather be at RBL, and I don't think anyone would disagree. He's been sold on the move and given his relative experiences at both clubs I don't think he can be blamed.
Bit of a grey area I concede. I stated that I don't like seeing player seen as commodities "only". I think fans (of all clubs, not just us) are guilty of forgetting the human aspect. This is a young kid who, as selfish as it sounds to a fan, has to put his career (and life) first. If he's not enjoying being at Everton then so be it. If he hasn't settled for, whatever reason, that shouldn't necessarily be met with such vitriol. Especially when he's done nothing to upset fans (no public statements etc).
In a monetary sense players are of course commodities, but unlike most industries sport goes much deeper and is far more complex. It'd just be nice to see people remember that, rather than froth at the mouth at every opportunity.*
*This is more relevant toward what I've read on Twitter than here, in fairness.
High point for me was the screenshot of him tweaking his johnson
How about... He shuts the fuck up, grows a pair, gets on with the job of playing for the team he happily signed a contract with for a vast salary (in normal life). OR piss off and join the army, fight for your country for less salary a year than you get a month! And see what REAL life is about!!!!!
Fucking footballers 😤😞😡
Phew, I feel better now, sorry lads n lasses 👍🏼.
Back to the football. I can definitely see why Silva wants to keep him as we're not as strong in depth and quality as we seem to think, even though we've had a decent transfer window. A muscle tweak from Richarlison, Bernard taking a while to bed in or Walcott's injury issues returning and we're quite thin on the ground. Granted at the moment we can plug those gaps with Vlasic or Bolasie but both are surplus to requirements and likely won't be here in a few weeks.Vlasic in Russia securing a deal, Bolasie be gone by weekend I'd imagine
I think the main source of resentment from fans is that he seems to have his heart set on a move but won't hand in a transfer request. He may not have downed tools or gone on strike, but going off the manager's comments, there would appear to be something afoot.
This is all conjecture and speculation obviously, but as far as we know he's been told the club want to keep him. If, in spite of this, he still sees RBL as his best option then he has to submit a transfer request because he is acting against the club's wishes.
I'm not saying this is what he's trying to do, because I don't know enough about it, but it looks like he's trying to have his cake and eat it - agitate for a move but keep his loyalty bonuses.
Without reading too much into absolutely nothing whatsoever, what do you think this means
Stats bomb pod reckon he’s > richarlison.
Or has a higher ceiling anyway.
To be fair - I was backing him to have a ‘better season under silva than Richarlison did’ etc. A few weeks ago so I can’t really talk.
I like Ted but that was a weird take.
If I remember correctly you were right along with me saying something similar.I'm not sure you can judge with any real degree of confidence whose ceiling is higher.
I’m only going off the Paul Riley tweet, not listened to the pod yet but I can understand where they’re coming from (mins per goal contribution maybe? The fact Lookman looks like a potentially elite finisher vs richarlisons profilagacy in front of goal).
I don’t know if it’s connected to the fact we’ve now signed richarlison but I now disagree strongly. Haha.
I'm not sure you can judge with any real degree of confidence whose ceiling is higher.
Lookman's performance, purely on numbers, looks better on the face of it. It's confounded by so many of Lookman's minutes (and half his goals) over the past couple of years coming off the bench though.
Broadly agree.I'm also not sure how you would weight Richarlison having a bit more about him physically versus Lookman probably being able to create more for others.
I'm also not sure how you would weight Richarlison having a bit more about him physically versus Lookman probably being able to create more for others.
Yeah I agree with that as well.Yeah, I can sort of be talked into the idea that Lookman might be decent on the right/centrally too - if Understat's position data can be believed anyway.
Not sure about creating because you can measure that.
But richarlison is physically a monster. Boss in the air, good 1v1, good outball on the break..
How about... He shuts the fuck up, grows a pair, gets on with the job of playing for the team he happily signed a contract with for a vast salary (in normal life). OR piss off and join the army, fight for your country for less salary a year than you get a month! And see what REAL life is about!!!!!
Fucking footballers
Phew, I feel better now, sorry lads n lasses.
These Silva comments hint at Lookman displaying a titty lip and being a bit of a lazy arse
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/ademola-lookman-shows-willing-fight-15043900
Still be very surprised if he’s here come September
Only thing that will change my mind is seeing him in the matchday squad.
When’s the European window close. I honestly think we are gonna force him to stay regardless and hope he gets his head down when moving is no longer an option
This stats thingy is a load of old bollocks. Richarlison is twice the player Lookman is.You know what I don't mind admitting that I was in the camp of not thinking he was not worth the extra money with lookman already here. Knew that was a terrible shout when he scored in pre-season and defended like his life depended on it. This guy looks the real deal to me.
Still be very surprised if he’s here come September
Only thing that will change my mind is seeing him in the matchday squad.
So you're expecting him to stay then?
Mirror reporting RBL have increased their bid to £22m
Fuckem.
Who does he play for?
Pub team reserves - Darren Fuckem B
Think the fact we brought on niasse and DCL over him spoke volumes though.
I’d still say he’s off on deadline day.
Think in this instance it was that we were winning so wanted hold up play as part of the options.........................yes i think DCL and Niasse were the correct subs at the time . I was disappointed not to see Lookman but Silva was being pragmatic rather than sentimental.
If he was being fully shunned, think he’d just have picked Dowell ahead of him?
Think in this instance it was that we were winning so wanted hold up play as part of the options.
If he was being fully shunned, think he’d just have picked Dowell ahead of him?
Mirror reporting RBL have increased their bid to £22m
Think the fact we brought on niasse and DCL over him spoke volumes though.
I’d still say he’s off on deadline day.
£25 million and I’ll drive him there, put that money in a pot , add another £25m to it and get another striker in in January.
22m is a half decent offer and although I like him the fact is he's potentially our 4th choice winger so if we need to balance the books a bit so be it.........................Soton are going to pay £20m for ' Dings ' though so we should be looking for £30m for Lookman ,if we sell at all.
Everton buying a £50m Forward.... oosh
Laughable to me how RB thinks they can just increase their bid £2m at a time and think we will about face as if that is a huge sum of money. At this rate they're a other 5 bids away from getting him.
Think the fact we brought on niasse and DCL over him spoke volumes though.
I’d still say he’s off on deadline day.
They have a transfer strategy which precludes them from spending big. They like to recruit young, develop, sell on at a profit, rinse and repeat. They won't pay the going rate for him.Then they lose out.
They have a transfer strategy which precludes them from spending big. They like to recruit young, develop, sell on at a profit, rinse and repeat. They won't pay the going rate for him.
Sky reporting we want 28m plus add ons
Maybe we're being pragmatic about it now, if Sky are to be believed. If he's not putting it in on the training pitch, making it clear he wants out then let's take a fee nearer to £30m and move on. If we do move him on and also get Bolasie and Besic off the books too then with loan fees factored in a spend of <£30m this summer and a reduction of the wage bill looks like good business overall. Especially with a manager who clearly looks like he can get more out of players than we've seen previously.
These are clearly desperate to sign this kid to simply flip him in 2yrs for an extraordinary amount of cash.
I think Brands is going to fleece these fuckers if he does sell him. His job in Holland was to flip young talent so I think we’ve got one of the best guys in the business in knowing that side of negotiations. We’re in safe hands here.
Average weekly wage at Middlesbrough is £20 k, can’t see them willing to pay Bolasie much more than that which would still leave us to cover £50 k, £40 if we’re lucky.
which cock lords are on talksport now
Adrian Durham and Darren Gough.
I don't usually say this but I'm getting bored to fuck of Lookman now. He can fuck off with my blessing now 😁nooo!!
nooo!!
i cant see him going,, we really need him, if Richarlison or Walcott get injured.. we cant play how Silva wants us to play... Bernado and Lookman can play on the wings.. Bolasie is gone, so has Mirallas.. Sandro doesnt play the same on the wing as the wingers mentioned..
thus i cant see Lookman going anywhere