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Title: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Dr. Sponge on August 12, 2018, 04:17:07 AM
What do we think of the new Gaffer’s tactics?

All the talk has been of a 433, but today it was more like 442 or 4411, with Sigurdson as the support striker behind Tosun.

Richarlison and Walcott looked like old style wingers.

Schneiderlin and Gueye were both very deep at times.

Obviously it all changed after the red card.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Goaljira on August 12, 2018, 04:20:21 AM
What do we think of the new Gaffer’s tactics?

All the talk has been of a 433, but today it was more like 442 or 4411, with Sigurdson as the support striker behind Tosun.

Richarlison and Walcott looked like old style wingers.

Schneiderlin and Gueye were both very deep at times.

Obviously it all changed after the red card.

They way Sigurdsson played off Tosun is how I coyld see Bernard playing, so thats good to see its a system he wants to play whatever.

Think it'll be more 4-3-3 next week at home though.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Toffee_4_Life on August 12, 2018, 04:38:20 AM
I think he’s a smart manager who will adapt his tactics and formation based on the personnel available, the strength of the opposition and where we’re playing.

Couldn’t play his usual 4-3-3 with that midfield or two slow centre backs so he played what was best for the team away from home and it should have got us three points if the ref hadn’t shit his pants.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: BlueForYou on August 12, 2018, 04:53:17 AM
He has the players on his side, Silva tongue he is - a big asset

Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: sam of the south on August 12, 2018, 04:55:59 AM
He has the players on his side, Silva tongue he is - a big asset



I read that as Yoda
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Lxxx on August 12, 2018, 05:00:31 AM
Noticed Schneiderlin in between the two centre halves a lot. Similar to what Barry did under Martinez.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: sam of the south on August 12, 2018, 05:13:07 AM
Noticed Schneiderlin in between the two centre halves a lot. Similar to what Barry did under Martinez.

Yeah, and that’s where the similarities ended (between both Martinez’ and Silva’s tactics, and Schneiderlin’s and Barry’s talents ;) )
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Bluedylan on August 12, 2018, 01:37:14 PM
I read that as Yoda

It's the only way to really make sense of his haiku.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Jamokachi on August 12, 2018, 02:28:00 PM
Noticed Schneiderlin in between the two centre halves a lot. Similar to what Barry did under Martinez.

Thought Big Mo had a good game, and I'm really pleased about that. Hope he has a big season with us.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: GLewis on August 12, 2018, 02:58:33 PM
Thought Big Mo had a good game, and I'm really pleased about that. Hope he has a big season with us.

It’s just still the issue of him with Gueye.

Along with neither of them really passing forward with any regularity they don’t seem to have a natural understanding defensively.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Jamokachi on August 12, 2018, 03:03:53 PM
It’s just still the issue of him with Gueye.

Along with neither of them really passing forward with any regularity they don’t seem to have a natural understanding defensively.

Yep. I think you mentioned earlier, I fear for Gueye as I think Schneiderlin better suits how Silva wants to play, and is far better on the ball with a greater passing range. Against lesser sides I don't think we need Gueye 'the destroyer', but that's not to say he won't have a big part to play this season. 
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Lxxx on August 12, 2018, 03:04:29 PM
Thought Big Mo had a good game, and I'm really pleased about that. Hope he has a big season with us.

Yes he ran around a lot more but I kept an eye on him and nearly every pass is very McCarthy-esque. Before he received the ball he's always got one eye on the next backwards or sideways easy pass instead of picking his head up to see if a more progressive ball is on to catch the opposition out or capitalise on a bit of space. Which then leaves Gana to be the one to start an attack, which clearly isn't his strong point.

It's like he's got all the tools but doesn't want to use them and instead opts to play within himself. Frustrating player.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Jamokachi on August 12, 2018, 03:07:00 PM
Yes he ran around a lot more but I kept an eye on him and nearly every pass is very McCarthy-esque. Before he received the ball he's always got one eye on the next backwards or sideways easy pass instead of picking his head up to see if a more progressive ball is on to catch the opposition out or capitalise on a bit of space. Which then leaves Gana to be the one to start an attack, which clearly isn't his strong point.

It's like he's got all the tools but doesn't want to use them and instead opts to play within himself. Frustrating player.

I think there's still the case of confidence here, and the better he plays the more adventurous he'll become.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Lxxx on August 12, 2018, 03:13:25 PM
I think there's still the case of confidence here, and the better he plays the more adventurous he'll become.

You'd like to hope so. I think Silva is the type to put an arm round someone and tell them how good they are, or could be if they expressed themselves, so hopefully this rubs off on him as he's clearly a confidence player and not the strongest mentally.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: dunkster on August 12, 2018, 03:13:41 PM
Yes he ran around a lot more but I kept an eye on him and nearly every pass is very McCarthy-esque. Before he received the ball he's always got one eye on the next backwards or sideways easy pass instead of picking his head up to see if a more progressive ball is on to catch the opposition out or capitalise on a bit of space. Which then leaves Gana to be the one to start an attack, which clearly isn't his strong point.

It's like he's got all the tools but doesn't want to use them and instead opts to play within himself. Frustrating player.

Said similar to my boy that he lacks awareness of what's immediately around him. There were times Baines did well to get out of trouble and make a short pass inside to him and he could have taken the ball on more centrally and forwards but instead would often simply pass it straight back to where it came from.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Waltzer on August 12, 2018, 03:25:31 PM
Thought Big Mo had a good game, and I'm really pleased about that. Hope he has a big season with us.

He could score 15 goals in a game and some people would struggle to give him any credit, thought he played really well yesterday and long may in continue.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: BlueForYou on August 12, 2018, 04:20:45 PM
Yoda man, Marco!

That's code blue, Sam of the South!

You Brighton belle, you
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Jimmywhack on August 12, 2018, 04:21:23 PM
Yoda man, Marco!

That's code blue, Sam of the South!

You Brighton belle, you
What the fuck are you on about
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: stirlingblue on August 12, 2018, 04:22:50 PM
Gueye is much better being progressive than you all give him credit for, he’s taking the ball and turning with it a lot more often.

I think I remember reading that he started his career as an attacking mid, so he’s hopefully starting to revive that part of his game
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Jamokachi on August 12, 2018, 04:28:58 PM
Yoda man, Marco!

That's code blue, Sam of the South!

You Brighton belle, you

Have you ever thought about engaging in discussion on this forum, or do you solely see it as an opportunity to blurt out nonsensical clap-trap?!
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Dr. Sponge on August 12, 2018, 04:31:06 PM
Gueye is much better being progressive than you all give him credit for, he's taking the ball and turning with it a lot more often.

I think I remember reading that he started his career as an attacking mid, so he's hopefully starting to revive that part of his game

I don’t doubt his effort to join in with attacks, he’s just not very good at it. It’s just not his game, so if we want to push on we need better front-foot players. Enter Gomes and Bernard.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: BlueForYou on August 12, 2018, 04:32:40 PM
Nonsensical clap trap?

You speak for the majority!
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Cassius on August 12, 2018, 04:36:10 PM
Nonsensical clap trap?

You speak for the majority!

He does on this occasion, you rhyming loon.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: BlueForYou on August 12, 2018, 04:37:47 PM
For the uneducated!
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Dr. Sponge on August 12, 2018, 04:39:35 PM
Nonsensical clap trap?

You speak for the majority!

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180812/8ca0c49b9463e1064b8c3db4e36689be.gif)
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: BlueForYou on August 12, 2018, 04:44:57 PM
The boy done good
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Jamokachi on August 12, 2018, 04:49:42 PM
Nonsensical clap trap?

You speak for the majority!

See? I mean; what the fuck mate?
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: BlueForYou on August 12, 2018, 04:54:30 PM
Ditto - it's a comedy soap opera and you're part of it!

The NSNO Show
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Jamokachi on August 12, 2018, 05:01:03 PM
Ditto - it's a comedy soap opera and you're part of it!

The NSNO Show

No, it's a forum where people come together to have discussions. Perhaps you missed that. Have you given Twitter a go?
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Mayor Farnum on August 12, 2018, 05:19:12 PM
I was a little disappointed that after opening the scoring we became too cautious. It was a relatively early goal and I would have liked to see us step up and press more forcibly. Ultimately the match turned on some ponderous play at the back that was unnecessary against a Wolves side that froze on their big day.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: sam of the south on August 12, 2018, 05:29:08 PM
I was a little disappointed that after opening the scoring we became too cautious. It was a relatively early goal and I would have liked to see us step up and press more forcibly. Ultimately the match turned on some ponderous play at the back that was unnecessary against a Wolves side that froze on their big day.

Yeah, I get what you’re saying, but this is a team that is coming off of a season of upheaval, where they played mostly dour football under two defensive managers and one chaotic, rookie one.

It will mainly be a confidence issue.

It will take time for the hangover to clear, but I’m optimistic it won’t last long at all.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Mayor Farnum on August 12, 2018, 05:32:13 PM
Yeah, I get what you’re saying, but this is a team that is coming off of a season of upheaval, where they played mostly dour football under two defensive managers and one chaotic, rookie one.

It will mainly be a confidence issue.

It will take time for the hangover to clear, but I’m optimistic it won’t last long at all.

Yes all those issues are valid; I just thought we should have sensed Wolves's vulnerability and were a little less cautious.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Tinga on August 12, 2018, 05:51:56 PM
If the guy wants to talk in 1950's newspaper headline speak, let him.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: dazfrancis on August 12, 2018, 05:57:40 PM
https://twitter.com/HLTCO/status/1028535339227512833
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: sam of the south on August 12, 2018, 06:09:15 PM
Yes all those issues are valid; I just thought we should have sensed Wolves's vulnerability and were a little less cautious.

Yeah I agree, it’s a shame we didn’t capitalise during that period.

And then of course it was made three times more sickening with Jagielka’s poor mistake, and then the equaliser coming directly from the avoidable incident. 

One of the most heartening things, though, was that we would’ve lost that match in the previous 9/10 years; Moyes’ 2008-2009 side was made of sterner stuff, and was quality before the injuries in that five month period to Yakubu, Arteta, and Jagielka, plus Lescott was still with us and playing brilliantly.

We would’ve been a regular ECL side if Coleman had emerged two years earlier than he did.

Sigh.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on August 12, 2018, 06:17:23 PM
Some really good signs but we are going to have issues if this CM situation isn’t resolved in the near future.

Neither of them did anything wrong, both had good individual games, but they’re so poor at looking forward on the ball, and while they’re both good at 1v1 tackling, teams just pass through the middle of the pitch with ease, and we are terrible at stopping counters as well.

Plus Sig is playing off the striker so is nowhere near the ball.

Really have to hope Gomes works out so we can have Schneiderlin as a 6 with Gomes and another as CMs.

Going forward it’s going to be the richarlison show, hopefully Bernard can get fit soon and show some quality.
Still not 100% having Tosun, but he did OK.

Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: sam of the south on August 12, 2018, 06:53:15 PM
Some really good signs but we are going to have issues if this CM situation isn’t resolved in the near future.

Neither of them did anything wrong, both had good individual games, but they’re so poor at looking forward on the ball, and while they’re both good at 1v1 tackling, teams just pass through the middle of the pitch with ease, and we are terrible at stopping counters as well.

Plus Sig is playing off the striker so is nowhere near the ball.

Really have to hope Gomes works out so we can have Schneiderlin as a 6 with Gomes and another as CMs.

Going forward it’s going to be the richarlison show, hopefully Bernard can get fit soon and show some quality.
Still not 100% having Tosun, but he did OK.



Agree entirely.

When all our squad are firing, my ideal would be this 18 (if Lookman stays and grabs his opportunity, all the new boys settle and blossom, and Walcott becomes the good version of Michael Owen)

                          Pickford
           Coleman Mina Zouma Digne
                  Gomes Schneiderlin
                          Bernard
            Lookman Walcott Richarlison

Stekelenburg, Holgate, Baines, Gana, Davies, Tosun, Niasse
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: blargins on August 12, 2018, 06:58:11 PM
Agree entirely.

When all our squad are firing, my ideal would be this 18 (if Lookman stays and grabs his opportunity, all the new boys settle and blossom, and Walcott becomes the good version of Michael Owen)

                          Pickford
           Coleman Mina Zouma Digne
                  Gomes Schneiderlin
                          Bernard
            Lookman Walcott Richarlison

Stekelenburg, Holgate, Baines, Gana, Davies, Tosun, Niasse

I'd have Sig in there ahead of Davies.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: BlueForYou on August 12, 2018, 07:01:59 PM
Hardly discussions in most cases, Jamokachi - slagging off, more like

Twitter? I leave that to Trump

Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: sam of the south on August 12, 2018, 07:07:28 PM
I'd have Sig in there ahead of Davies.

I did ponder.

I just don’t fully believe in him.

He hides from the ball a lot, which Davies never does.

Davies is capable of a throughball, haven’t seen Sigurdsson do that.

Sigurdsson is also really slow when he’s contesting lose balls, whereas Davies is good in those situations.

Sigurdsson has quality on the ball and can be a great finisher, but it seems very few and far between, and his set pieces are very hit and miss, and if Bernard and Digne step up they are more than capable of taking over those duties.

I do confess that the fee does make me expect more of him, but even if he was £20m I still think I wouldn’t be that impressed by him.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: blargins on August 12, 2018, 07:15:27 PM
I did ponder.

I just don’t fully believe in him.

He hides from the ball a lot, which Davies never does.

Davies is capable of a throughball, haven’t seen Sigurdsson do that.

Sigurdsson is also really slow when he’s contesting lose balls, whereas Davies is good in those situations.

Sigurdsson has quality on the ball and can be a great finisher, but it seems very few and far between, and his set pieces are very hit and miss, and if Bernard and Digne step up they are more than capable of taking over those duties.

I do confess that the fee does make me expect more of him, but even if he was £20m I still think I wouldn’t be that impressed by him.

I hear you. But he's a much better player than Davies.

We did overpay. Still, he'll make Richarlison look an even bigger bargain :)

Hoping Bernard does the business. Can't wait to see him in full flow.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: sam of the south on August 12, 2018, 07:19:30 PM
I hear you. But he's a much better player than Davies.

We did overpay. Still, he'll make Richarlison look an even bigger bargain :)

Hoping Bernard does the business. Can't wait to see him in full flow.

Yeah, he does have more ‘quality’ than Davies, but I think Davies offers us more of what we ‘need’ than Sigurdsson, especially if Bernard, Richarlison, Lookman, and Gomes offer us that stardust, technique, quality, and productivity (cringe) that Sigurdsson was supposed to offer us in spades.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Dr. Sponge on August 12, 2018, 07:20:42 PM
We’ll always discuss the performance of individual players, but the biggest positive for me yesterday was that we looked like a better team and there were glimmers of good coaching in some of our attacking moves.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: sam of the south on August 12, 2018, 07:22:49 PM
We’ll always discuss the performance of individual players, but the biggest positive for me yesterday was that we looked like a better team and there were glimmers of good coaching in some of our attacking moves.

Yes, the good coaching and organisation was blatantly obvious, I thought.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: sam of the south on August 12, 2018, 07:42:53 PM
Good assessment of Silva’s approach and influence yesterday


https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/match-reports/everton-verdict-marco-silvas-brave-15019444
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Jamokachi on August 12, 2018, 07:52:49 PM
Hardly discussions in most cases, Jamokachi - slagging off, more like

It really isn't. There's plenty of proper discussion that goes on. You should try it.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on August 12, 2018, 08:05:16 PM
Sigurdsson situation is sad. If Bernard is half decent Sigurdsson will be out the side by Christmas.

Walcott and Coleman next on the list after that.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Audrey Horne on August 12, 2018, 08:18:32 PM
Sigurdsson situation is sad. If Bernard is half decent Sigurdsson will be out the side by Christmas.

Walcott and Coleman next on the list after that.

No way will Coleman be out the team
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Toffee1 on August 12, 2018, 08:21:33 PM
Seamus will be full time captain by Christmas.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: blargins on August 12, 2018, 08:24:18 PM
No way will Coleman be out the team

I think he's talking in terms of going through the team and upgrading the next weakest area.

For me, Schneiderlin and Gana followed by Tuson would be the next upgrade. Then you'd probably have to look at Coleman and Walcott afterwards.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on August 12, 2018, 08:33:53 PM
No way will Coleman be out the team

No I agree, can’t have Kenny playing ffs.

He’s on my list though. That ball to niasse at the end. Watching him carefully this year and potentially we have to face up to the fact that he’s washed and was maybe washed before his injury.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: TheRam on August 12, 2018, 08:42:32 PM
No I agree, can’t have Kenny playing ffs.

He’s on my list though. That ball to niasse at the end. Watching him carefully this year and potentially we have to face up to the fact that he’s washed and was maybe washed before his injury.

I reckon you’re proper harsh with your judgments of players.

Every player has their faults.

You seem to just want to drop everyone.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Bluedylan on August 12, 2018, 08:42:53 PM
Nonsense about Coleman. He's playing really well. He just fucked a pass up, and tbh, he's never been someone with a lot of touch and finesse.

Walcott's fine too. Should've been played in a couple of times and would've bagged had he been.

I also think you're far too quick to write Gylfi off.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Bluedylan on August 12, 2018, 08:43:40 PM
I reckon you’re proper harsh with your judgments of players.

Every player has their faults.

You seem to just want to drop everyone.

Think some of it is to get a reaction tbh. It's a bit nonsensical and scattergun at times.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Jimmywhack on August 12, 2018, 08:43:59 PM
No I agree, can't have Kenny playing ffs.

He's on my list though. That ball to niasse at the end. Watching him carefully this year and potentially we have to face up to the fact that he's washed and was maybe washed before his injury.
Not having that at all pal
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Audrey Horne on August 12, 2018, 08:47:35 PM
No I agree, can’t have Kenny playing ffs.

He’s on my list though. That ball to niasse at the end. Watching him carefully this year and potentially we have to face up to the fact that he’s washed and was maybe washed before his injury.

Think youre way off. But thats not really an anomaly.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: april on August 12, 2018, 08:56:56 PM
Is a “playbook” another word for tactics? It sounds like something from a nursery school.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Audrey Horne on August 12, 2018, 08:59:40 PM
Is a “playbook” another word for tactics? It sounds like something from a nursery school.

Think the OP is trying to be clever?? Silver Linings Playbook??
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Dr. Sponge on August 12, 2018, 09:07:43 PM
Think the OP is trying to be clever?? Silver Linings Playbook??

Nasty.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on August 12, 2018, 09:13:06 PM
Getting panned here!

Neither are issues for the squad where we are at the minute so barely worth thinking about but Coleman has deffo made my list with that pass.

Gylfi, like Walcott and Coleman actually, is a very good player, he’s a prem standard reliable player and I’m glad we have him in the side.

Hopefully when we’re settled a place will naturally show for him in the side, but as it stands I just don’t really know where he’s going to be.

This drop into CM isn’t going to happen. I thought Koeman had it planned for him but clearly not, we keep saying silva might but he’s not played there once.

We have a slow, classic number 10 playing in a side that doesn’t play with a number 10, and wants to break with pace...
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on August 12, 2018, 09:31:13 PM
Getting panned here!

Neither are issues for the squad where we are at the minute so barely worth thinking about but Coleman has deffo made my list with that pass.

Gylfi, like Walcott and Coleman actually, is a very good player, he’s a prem standard reliable player and I’m glad we have him in the side.

Hopefully when we’re settled a place will naturally show for him in the side, but as it stands I just don’t really know where he’s going to be.

This drop into CM isn’t going to happen. I thought Koeman had it planned for him but clearly not, we keep saying silva might but he’s not played there once.

We have a slow, classic number 10 playing in a side that doesn’t play with a number 10, and wants to break with pace...
Your'e only doing what proper staff have to do, plan for when players are done or need upgrading, you might be a bit too revolutionary for some but keep on trucking..
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: sam of the south on August 12, 2018, 09:52:39 PM
Getting panned here!

Neither are issues for the squad where we are at the minute so barely worth thinking about but Coleman has deffo made my list with that pass.

Gylfi, like Walcott and Coleman actually, is a very good player, he’s a prem standard reliable player and I’m glad we have him in the side.

Hopefully when we’re settled a place will naturally show for him in the side, but as it stands I just don’t really know where he’s going to be.

This drop into CM isn’t going to happen. I thought Koeman had it planned for him but clearly not, we keep saying silva might but he’s not played there once.

We have a slow, classic number 10 playing in a side that doesn’t play with a number 10, and wants to break with pace...

I think Coleman is still top class in the main, and Walcott is still pacy and intelligent (despite what was generally said about him before I had a reason to scrutinise him every week)
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on August 12, 2018, 10:01:21 PM
Think some of it is to get a reaction tbh. It's a bit nonsensical and scattergun at times.
Think youre way off. But thats not really an anomaly.

Annoyed me a bit these two actually - I know it shouldn’t but there we go.

Explain if you can - what have I said so nonesensical or so way off?
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Mayor Farnum on August 12, 2018, 10:05:51 PM
Coleman needs to be a little more consistent and decisive with his end product. There was also the weak shot in the first half when he had space and options in the box. 
He's shone in a struggling team for a few years and I think he can be a big part of an improving team with a little more composure.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: BlueForYou on August 12, 2018, 10:41:36 PM
Plenty of proper discussion, there is, Jamokachi

Take a look at "Everton Zoum In" and "Goodison For Gomez?"

Don't see many factual topics started by you, recently - you should try it, sometime....................
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Martip on August 12, 2018, 11:07:50 PM
I reckon Walcott has still got plenty to give this team....quality player.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Cassius on August 12, 2018, 11:08:18 PM
I'm not having that Coleman shout. Defensively, I thought he was superb yesterday. It was the first game of the season, I'll forgive him for that pass.

Walcott will get better as he gets games in - I don't think he played much during pre-season? However I just don't think he'll string enough games together because he's made out of glass, so I can see what you're saying.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: sam of the south on August 12, 2018, 11:17:55 PM
Annoyed me a bit these two actually - I know it shouldn’t but there we go.

Explain if you can - what have I said so nonesensical or so way off?

Yeah, struck me as a tad harsh.



























We should all take off our shirts and kiss.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Lxxx on August 12, 2018, 11:41:03 PM
Walcott scores two yesterday if his teammates are up to it. Nothing wrong with his game, he's had no pre season and will be one of our better players if we start to shift the ball at pace with a bit of invention.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Audrey Horne on August 12, 2018, 11:59:00 PM
Annoyed me a bit these two actually - I know it shouldn’t but there we go.

Explain if you can - what have I said so nonesensical or so way off?

Just some of the 'flapping' (hate the use of this word) over the past couple of weeks and certain writing off players like Coleman etc seems to be way over the top.

Like you Brap, so not having a go, prob didnt need to add the anomaly part.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on August 12, 2018, 11:59:58 PM
Walcott scores two yesterday if his teammates are up to it. Nothing wrong with his game, he's had no pre season and will be one of our better players if we start to shift the ball at pace with a bit of invention.
He has everything to achieve it, he always has ability wise.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Bluedylan on August 13, 2018, 12:06:57 AM
Annoyed me a bit these two actually - I know it shouldn’t but there we go.

Explain if you can - what have I said so nonesensical or so way off?

Just think you're being relentlessly negative at the moment, and when one of your negative concerns is dealt with, you quickly move onto another.

You've been going on all pre-season like we're close to meltdown, and now that's clearly not the case, you appear to have moved onto writing off half of the first team (in my eyes, without any justification).
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on August 13, 2018, 12:17:36 AM
Just some of the 'flapping' (hate the use of this word) over the past couple of weeks and certain writing off players like Coleman etc seems to be way over the top.

Like you Brap, so not having a go, prob didnt need to add the anomaly part.
Where's Coleman been written off? maybe wondering if he'll get back to his best after what he's been through that's about it, probably one of the most loved players ever, teams that stay at the top plan well ahead for every position, it's just normal.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: TheRam on August 13, 2018, 12:17:38 AM
The Coleman shout is mad.

Obviously has his limitations, but he’s still one of the best full backs in the league for me.

Mouldered himself into a very good, modern day full back.

Have to say @brap2 (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=666) I always enjoy your posts but you’re writing off and dismissing a lot of players for me.



Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Audrey Horne on August 13, 2018, 12:24:59 AM
Where's Coleman been written off? maybe wondering if he'll get back to his best after what he's been through that's about it, probably one of the most loved players ever, teams that stay at the top plan well ahead for every position, it's just normal.

Brap has been writing players off all over the shop for a while. Just see the other posters agreeing...
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: van der Meyde on August 13, 2018, 12:27:50 AM
Annoyed me a bit these two actually - I know it shouldn’t but there we go.

Explain if you can - what have I said so nonesensical or so way off?
Thought it was all bang on, to be honest.

They're not massive issues right now and there were more pressing needs to address this summer.

But Coleman, who'll be turning 31 next season, and Gueye, Sigurdsson and Schneiderlin who'll be turning 30 should definitely all be next on the list for replacing.

Tosun? He's fine for right now, but by money we've had three strikers who were better than him over the past 10 years (Lukaku, obviously, and I preferred Saha and Yakubu). Especially given he's not really an ideal fit for Silva's system.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on August 13, 2018, 12:33:51 AM
Brap has been writing players off all over the shop for a while. Just see the other posters agreeing...
The way i read it he gave an opinion of the order players would be replaced and nobody was "right now" if the ambition is to challenge the top it will have to happen eventually, he was posting his thought of an order it might take place in his opinion that's all...is how i took it anyway...Even if anybody thought it should be tomorrow they should be able to think it or write it without dramas, just debate it, it's what a forum is, or should be. be fucking boring if we all felt the same about everything.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Audrey Horne on August 13, 2018, 12:37:12 AM
The way i read it he gave an opinion of the order players would be replaced and nobody was "right now" if the ambition is to challenge the top it will have to happen eventually, he was posting his thought of an order it might take place in his opinion that's all...is how i took it anyway...Even if anybody thought it should be tomorrow they should be able to think it or write it without dramas, just debate it, it's what a forum is, or should be. be fucking boring if we all felt the same about everything.

Have i said he cant express his opinions?
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: BlueForYou on August 13, 2018, 12:38:17 AM
Coleman's good for this season
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on August 13, 2018, 12:39:35 AM
Have i said he cant express his opinions?
I wasn't criticising anyone mate i meant in general that's all..
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on August 13, 2018, 12:45:27 AM
Just think you're being relentlessly negative at the moment, and when one of your negative concerns is dealt with, you quickly move onto another.

You've been going on all pre-season like we're close to meltdown, and now that's clearly not the case, you appear to have moved onto writing off half of the first team (in my eyes, without any justification).

Had we not made the signings that we made on deadline day we would have been in meltdown. I was absolutely terrified of that and being honest I’d have rather we got the deals done earlier than we did yeah.

I wasn’t fucking going on like anything though. I’m not here starting ‘we’re all doomed’ threads. I had my issues with the squad and I still have issues with the squad. If there were no issues with the squad we’d win the league. Any problems I’ve got are based on my opinions on the side we’ve been watching, not random mardy wham like you’re suggesting.

The issues I had with the squad have begun to be addressed. The issues that have not been addressed I am on the forum talking about.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on August 13, 2018, 01:05:33 AM
The Coleman shout is mad.

Obviously has his limitations, but he’s still one of the best full backs in the league for me.

Mouldered himself into a very good, modern day full back.

Have to say @brap2 (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=666) I always enjoy your posts but you’re writing off and dismissing a lot of players for me.





I love him, but we’ve no back up or competition and he’s 30 this year, playing in a very physically demanding position.

He’s always been more of a blood and thunder player who has relied on his unbelievable athleticism more than being a baller.

Phenomenal player, but I don’t want to end up with a Jags situation. Unbelievable player for us, but because of squad building failures we’re now at the point where he’s slated regularly and we’ll all be grateful when we see the back of him.

We’re a way off that yet. But he’s on the list and it’s fair to say that imo.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on August 13, 2018, 01:22:58 AM
Brap has been writing players off all over the shop for a while. Just see the other posters agreeing...

Have I though? Genuine question, the only ones I can think of me really not liking have mostly been binned!
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Mouse on August 13, 2018, 01:35:57 AM
I love him, but we’ve no back up or competition and he’s 30 this year, playing in a very physically demanding position.

He’s always been more of a blood and thunder player who has relied on his unbelievable athleticism more than being a baller.

Phenomenal player, but I don’t want to end up with a Jags situation. Unbelievable player for us, but because of squad building failures we’re now at the point where he’s slated regularly and we’ll all be grateful when we see the back of him.

We’re a way off that yet. But he’s on the list and it’s fair to say that imo.
I agree wth your general point about Coleman. It would be myopic not to be planning a replacement. We don't need a Baines situation at right back and I'm not sure Kenny is the answer.

Although, I'm not convinced Coleman is near to his swansong. It all really depends upon his recovery and long-term fitness after the injury, but I think he is an intelligent footballer and he can adapt to Silva's needs in much the same way (sorry for this) as Milner has adapted to Klopp.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: blargins on August 13, 2018, 01:50:43 AM
I'm looking forward to the day where we need an upgrade on Richarlison :)
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on August 13, 2018, 02:17:15 AM
I'm looking forward to the day where we need an upgrade on Richarlison :)
Would be a good sign.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Bob Sacamano on August 13, 2018, 02:20:31 AM
I must admit, I love Coleman, but if we’re not looking at his potential successor then we’re in a Baines shaped hole again.

We can’t let our right hand side fall apart just as we look to have solved our left hand side after 2 years of not being on top of it.

And to side with ma boi @brap2 (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=666) in wanting the new right back to be better than peak Coleman - remember, I love Coleman - we should aim to always have one of the 5 best full backs in the league on each side. We’ve have that with Baines and Coleman.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Ross on August 13, 2018, 02:22:30 AM
Coleman will easily go into his mid thirties there’s no worry there. 
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: blargins on August 13, 2018, 02:25:24 AM
With Baines on his way out, it'll leave a bit of a tear. He was never my favorite player, but a player who always gives his best and he is of course class.

Perhaps it's sad because it's the end of the generation of players that really epitomised the club in themid 2000s up and it should have won something.

It's also unreal that Coleman is approaching the last of the summer wine regarding his career as well.

Very happy that we seem to potentially have that squad togetherness again with the new boys coming in. After last season, it's clear that character is as vital as ability.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on August 13, 2018, 02:30:27 AM
With Baines on his way out, it'll leave a bit of a tear. He was never my favorite player, but a player who always gives his best and he is of course class.

Perhaps it's sad because it's the end of the generation of players that really epitomised the club in themid 2000s up and it should have won something.

It's also unreal that Coleman is approaching the last of the summer wine regarding his career as well.

Very happy that we seem to potentially have that squad togetherness again with the new boys coming in. After last season, it's clear that character is as vital as ability.

Yeah it would mean a great deal to me if some of these players could sign off with a trophy. Coleman, Jags and Baines posing with a trophy would make me cry I think.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Mouse on August 13, 2018, 02:43:30 AM
I'm looking forward to the day where we need an upgrade on Richarlison :)
Ah, perchance to dream  :thumbsup:
Title: Silva's Playbook
Post by: Dr. Sponge on August 13, 2018, 02:51:14 AM
I agree with @brap2 in principle - as in we should always be looking for the next progression plan. But I think more specifically it's Kenny who needs to be replaced by a young hot prospect, to be groomed (not Saville-like) to how our team plays.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: TheRam on August 13, 2018, 03:26:22 AM
Didn’t know he was 29.

Have to think what type of player he can be once he loses that explosiveness he has.

I like Kenny myself but he’s not good enough really.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Risky on August 13, 2018, 04:16:40 AM
Didn’t know he was 29.

Have to think what type of player he can be once he loses that explosiveness he has.

I like Kenny myself but he’s not good enough really.

I think you probably are right about Kenny but thing was he was thrown in the deep end last season where he had to play every game for a long time and in a team playing shit.  I'd like to give him some more time where he can play less frequently and in a team that's playing well before I completely write him off.  Chances are that he'll still not be good enough but I think judging him on last season it a little harsh.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: MmmblueBernard on August 13, 2018, 04:26:53 AM
Reckon there’s a dodgy batch of weed about at the moment...
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on August 13, 2018, 04:35:30 AM
I think you probably are right about Kenny but thing was he was thrown in the deep end last season where he had to play every game for a long time and in a team playing shit.  I'd like to give him some more time where he can play less frequently and in a team that's playing well before I completely write him off.  Chances are that he'll still not be good enough but I think judging him on last season it a little harsh.

The one thing that gives me pause is that kenny’s style for the U23’s Everton & England is very different from what we’ve seen for us.

Maybe it’s the step up in quality and the lack of time on the ball, or maybe physically it’s a more even match at U23 level compared to the prem, none of which is like particularly surprising, but can he get past whatever it is?
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Evertonian in NC on August 13, 2018, 06:08:01 AM
The one thing that gives me pause is that kenny’s style for the U23’s Everton & England is very different from what we’ve seen for us.

Maybe it’s the step up in quality and the lack of time on the ball, or maybe physically it’s a more even match at U23 level compared to the prem, none of which is like particularly surprising, but can he get past whatever it is?

He's not big enough (or at least not with his speed) to be more than a squad player at our level.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on August 13, 2018, 06:24:11 AM
Was thinking before about Rooney begin shoehorned into CM by 3 different managers because we absolutely needed someone in the middle of the pitch to show for the ball and pass it forwards.

Really hope Gomes has a bit of this in his locker, and Silva can maybe sprinkle a bit of whatever he used on Doucore on him and turn him into a genuine line-breaker either by dribbling or by passing.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Makis on August 13, 2018, 01:49:03 PM
It's a bit silly to think about replacing Coleman. By the time this is required things have changed, probably more than once. It's very likely we have a new manager, maybe there's been more than one change. Obviously it would be best Silva is here for the next 3-4 years but it's really quite rare.

Assuming Mina is actually good and Holgate lives up to his promise we should be set for CB. Digne was signed for LB. If Bernard is as good as we hope then we have a good situation in the wings, althought if Lookman leaves we might use someone else there as well. Walcott is obviously not getting any younger but if he can stay relatively fit he's a decent foil for Richarlison and Bernard. So the position I expect Brands and Silva are concentrating most is centre forward. Central mid could also well be a position unless Gomes is a revelation (I think we have a loan-to-buy agreement with Barca?). Sigurdsson also needs to pick his game up or it will be another position that will need some shaking.

By the time we get to Coleman there have been unforeseen changes. Some players have been sold because they were so good. Some others dumped because they're not good enough.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on August 13, 2018, 02:07:25 PM
Imo Silva and Brands looks very aware of age + wage.

The likes of Gylfi, Walcott, yes even Coleman, are going to have to keep a certain level of performance up. Just ask Bolasie.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Mick 1995 on August 13, 2018, 03:07:29 PM
I think the middle of the park and striker will be the places we address next summer.

The year after is when we need to make a decision about how long left Coleman has (and at that point, probably Walcott & Sigurdsson as well at that point.

However, top European clubs nicking our players will ruin all our best laid theoretical plans and we could be looking for a new keeper and left winger next year instead.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Jamokachi on August 13, 2018, 04:24:27 PM
Imo Silva and Brands looks very aware of age + wage.

The likes of Gylfi, Walcott, yes even Coleman, are going to have to keep a certain level of performance up. Just ask Bolasie.

In fairness though, Bolasie is awful.

I do agree with your point though. We always have to be considering "who next". And that player should always be an upgrade if we are to improve.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Lxxx on August 13, 2018, 05:24:42 PM
I think the middle of the park and striker will be the places we address next summer.

The year after is when we need to make a decision about how long left Coleman has (and at that point, probably Walcott & Sigurdsson as well at that point.

However, top European clubs nicking our players will ruin all our best laid theoretical plans and we could be looking for a new keeper and left winger next year instead.

Hopefully. It'll have meant they've been successful. Until we get to the stage where we're genuinely challenging for something we'll always get our best talent cherry picked. The key will be to have a rolling conveyor belt of talent to get us through until we break the ceiling.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Bluedylan on August 18, 2018, 05:02:26 AM
He's told the new lads to learn English, and wants to improve his own so that he doesn't use Portuguese in training in the future. I like it. I think a common language is important to avoid cliques, and to integrate better:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/aug/17/marco-silva-richarlison-bernard-yerry-mina-speak-english-everton
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on August 18, 2018, 05:25:16 AM
God I’m buying into Silva hard you know.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: TheRam on August 18, 2018, 05:34:47 AM
God I’m buying into Silva hard you know.

I’m more than ready to be hurt again.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Dr. Sponge on August 19, 2018, 06:06:10 PM
Went with a 442 (ish) again with 2 sitting midfielders. Schneiderlin/Davies being the deepest man at times with the two CBs splitting wide.

Sigurdson is benefiting from being played in this position too, I think this is where he plays for Iceland. Loved his change of feet to draw the foul for the free-kick leading to the first goal.

Not too worried about Tosun not scoring yet, he’s a good foil for Richarlison and Walcott.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: van der Meyde on August 19, 2018, 06:10:53 PM
There were at least 3 free kicks/corners which looked well prepared, so I was pleased to hear Carlos Carvalhal saying there that he knew Silva worked really hard on set pieces.

It's the kind of thing that could give us a real edge.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Martip on August 19, 2018, 06:12:06 PM
God I’m buying into Silva hard you know.
This x 100. It was so refreshing seeing the team press so much and look like they really want it. Attacking interplay was quality. My kind if football.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Bluedylan on August 19, 2018, 07:47:41 PM
The value of having a manager that works with players and noticeably improves them through training can’t be understated.

10 of last season’s team playing and they look unrecognisable already. And it’s still very early.

While I do get the comparison with Martinez’s first year, because it feels similar in that he’s getting limited players to play more expansive football, I think Silva’s approach is much more stable and sustainable. I think that because it’s based on hard work, structure and attention to detail, unlike Martinez’s flighty ‘go and dazzle with your natural talent’ approach.

As I said when he first signed, I think he’ll be our best manager since Kendall.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Paddockoldie on August 19, 2018, 08:00:20 PM
I'm pleased and confident we're heading in the right direction when our manager brings a striker on for another when we were 2:1 up. Allardyce would never contemplate that. I think we have a good team off the pitch who know where they are taking us and a manager who will deliver the football we want to see.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Silas on August 19, 2018, 08:17:23 PM
He's going to hurt me like Martinez did isn't he the bastard.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Toddacelli on August 19, 2018, 09:27:06 PM
He's going to hurt me like Martinez did isn't he the bastard.

Yep.

And you're going to love it - right up until the moment you don't any more.

And we all will too.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Lazarou on August 20, 2018, 12:27:00 AM
Really enjoying the fact we appear to actually have a plan being implemented, even at this early stage there is obviously work going on to get the team doing specific things on the pitch that Marco wants. Interchange of positions, defending from the front, wing play, front man occupying the defence to allow the wingers to be involved, set piece routines, triangles of passing to move up the pitch, centre midfielders dropping deep to start the play from the back and also the partnerships being developed right across the pitch. The list goes on.

We really have not been properly coached for years.

Note to self: Pre season really is about fitness.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: stirlingblue on August 20, 2018, 01:12:34 AM
One weird thing I’ve noticed is that Schniederlin (and Besic in pre-season) drops into the ‘back three’ when we’re playing out from the back.

A lot of teams do it, but for us they drop into the left or right of a back three, not back between the CBs like you normally see.

No idea what it means, but it’s repeating and happening with whoever is playing that role so it must be intentional
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Dr. Sponge on August 20, 2018, 01:22:14 AM
One weird thing I've noticed is that Schniederlin (and Besic in pre-season) drops into the "back three' when we're playing out from the back.

A lot of teams do it, but for us they drop into the left or right of a back three, not back between the CBs like you normally see.

No idea what it means, but it's repeating and happening with whoever is playing that role so it must be intentional

Yeah I like this, Davies did it when he came on too. The fullbacks push high up we go to a very wide 3 at the back.. must be to put us firmly in possession of the ball ready to start an attack.

The coaching is evident in the types of runs we’re making, the set pieces and the build up play. We look well drilled (not anally) all over the field at the moment, which is a nice surprise after the very shaky looking pre season.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Lxxx on August 20, 2018, 05:08:54 PM
Noticed the nice intricate triangles on the left flank are coming back too. Baines, Richarlison and A.N.Other starting off attacks down that side again. It's what Baines brings you from that position, different angles in which to build a passage of play from.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on August 20, 2018, 05:24:16 PM
Noticed the nice intricate triangles on the left flank are coming back too. Baines, Richarlison and A.N.Other starting off attacks down that side again. It's what Baines brings you from that position, different angles in which to build a passage of play from.

He’s just still so fucking good.

I’m absolutely terrified for us when he finally has to go.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on August 21, 2018, 12:42:02 AM
@kramer0 (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4360) your mate Ted has us behind Fulham this year with our transfer strategy ‘a mess’
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: kramer0 on August 21, 2018, 01:28:48 AM
@kramer0 (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4360) your mate Ted has us behind Fulham this year with our transfer strategy ‘a mess’

I respect his work overall but I think he's off with that prediction.

We have the benefit of a relatively settled side (ten returning players plus Richarlison), with the potential to add more creativity (Bernard for a midfielder) and more defensive quality and an extra set piece threat (Mina for Holgate/Keane) with a couple of small changes.

Fulham have only a handful of returning starters -- Cairney, Sessengnon, Mitrovic, and sometimes Christie or Kamara. That means they need a lot of new faces to perform right away. Jokanovic might eventually mold them into an effective unit but I think they're going to drop a lot of points while they find the right mix.

I'm not sure who else is going to emerge out of the mid-table pack but for right now, I'd argue that Leicester is a stronger challenger for 7th than Fulham.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on August 21, 2018, 01:43:50 AM
I respect his work overall but I think he's off with that prediction.

We have the benefit of a relatively settled side (ten returning players plus Richarlison), with the potential to add more creativity (Bernard for a midfielder) and more defensive quality and an extra set piece threat (Mina for Holgate/Keane) with a couple of small changes.

Fulham have only a handful of returning starters -- Cairney, Sessengnon, Mitrovic, and sometimes Christie or Kamara. That means they need a lot of new faces to perform right away. Jokanovic might eventually mold them into an effective unit but I think they're going to drop a lot of points while they find the right mix.

I'm not sure who else is going to emerge out of the mid-table pack but for right now, I'd argue that Leicester is a stronger challenger for 7th than Fulham.

I agree, question marks over Puel tho?

Think ted is discounting Bernard due to Ukraine, discounting Everton because most of our signings aren’t stats-bod-approved e.g digne, zouma, Tosun, Walcott, Sigurdsson and finally overweighting the stats-bod approved players at Fulham - mitro, sessegnon and serri.

Does make me doubt my confidence a little bit as there’s not a lot of people out there shouting about us which is understandable. Hoping Mina and Bernard can shock a few and Silva has more to him than we’ve seen at Watford and Hull.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Danny on August 21, 2018, 01:45:35 AM
Went with a 442 (ish) again with 2 sitting midfielders. Schneiderlin/Davies being the deepest man at times with the two CBs splitting wide.

Sigurdson is benefiting from being played in this position too, I think this is where he plays for Iceland. Loved his change of feet to draw the foul for the free-kick leading to the first goal.

Not too worried about Tosun not scoring yet, he’s a good foil for Richarlison and Walcott.

I'll be more worried about Tosun if he hasn't bagged 2 or 3 by the 7th game, we've got such a good run of fixtures that if he can't score against those teams it'll be a huge red flag.

On Kenny he should have been loaned out and maybe will be if we can get another younger RB cover for next season, it's not like with strikers and midfielders where if you're winning 2-0 you can bring them on, you never really want to make an RB sub unless there is an injury.

The loan to Blackpool did Coleman a world of good and putting on some weight and a full season at a decent club could make him step up a level.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: pjk on August 22, 2018, 04:22:59 PM
This is a nice little summary of what Silva has changed since arriving in June. :)



https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/football/slowly-but-surely-how-marco-silva-is-changing-everton/ar-BBMh9eI?li=AAwmeM7&ocid=mailsignout
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Thornton_19 on August 22, 2018, 05:10:16 PM
I'll be more worried about Tosun if he hasn't bagged 2 or 3 by the 7th game, we've got such a good run of fixtures that if he can't score against those teams it'll be a huge red flag.

On Kenny he should have been loaned out and maybe will be if we can get another younger RB cover for next season, it's not like with strikers and midfielders where if you're winning 2-0 you can bring them on, you never really want to make an RB sub unless there is an injury.

The loan to Blackpool did Coleman a world of good and putting on some weight and a full season at a decent club could make him step up a level.
I wouldnt worry about Tosuns output at the moment. He seems to be taking a backseat role in our strike force to allow Walcott and Richarlison to flourish.
As the team gets more comfortable with all their roles i imagine he will start taking more risks up top rather than just holding the ball up well, as he has been for the opening 2 games.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Lazarou on August 22, 2018, 06:04:10 PM
I plagiarised one of the practice routines Silva has been doing on one of the youtube videos for the Under 11's I coach it may not have been 100% accurate but very close, they loved it as I did. I could do with a few more from him.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on August 22, 2018, 06:20:35 PM
We made a few semi chances (including walcott’s disallowed goal) from driven cutbacks at the byline at the weekend.

Imo Tosun and Gylfi will get on the end of plenty of these. Statistically speaking one of the best ways to produce high quality chances.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on August 22, 2018, 06:39:54 PM
I plagiarised one of the practice routines Silva has been doing on one of the youtube videos for the Under 11's I coach it may not have been 100% accurate but very close, they loved it as I did. I could do with a few more from him.

Did you see the Simeone one about clearing second balls?

Defender has to control a lofted pass and then gets rushed by two players and clear it before they are on him.

I’m not a coach at all but I love watching coaching drills. There’s a few good accounts on twitter that post good possession based attacking and small side coaching drills.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Lazarou on August 22, 2018, 07:06:00 PM
Did you see the Simeone one about clearing second balls?

Defender has to control a lofted pass and then gets rushed by two players and clear it before they are on him.

I’m not a coach at all but I love watching coaching drills. There’s a few good accounts on twitter that post good possession based attacking and small side coaching drills.

Sounds a decent one that  :thumbsup:, any that are easy to understand but keep them engaged is all good, otherwise after 30 seconds all they can talk about is Fortnite.

I do subscribe (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;area=subscriptions) to a few on Twitter, I usually try a new one each week sometimes adapting them and try them out sometimes they work sometimes they look at me like I am stupid.

I am going to keep out a eye out for these Everton training videos, loving the insights we are now getting from the club
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Robioto on August 22, 2018, 07:35:40 PM
This is a nice little summary of what Silva has changed since arriving in June. :)



https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/football/slowly-but-surely-how-marco-silva-is-changing-everton/ar-BBMh9eI?li=AAwmeM7&ocid=mailsignout

We can all see Sigurdsson has played well, but i didn't realise he had created the most chances in the league in the first two games. Great signs. I'm still confident that we'll beat Bournemouth.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: pjk on August 22, 2018, 08:02:18 PM
We're not accounting for the easy chances, and for that matter, the decent half chances we've created. It will only take one or two of those chances to start going in, that will give us more breathing space when the defence gets a bit too generous. Things are looking at their best since Moshiri came in. One thing we should be grateful to Moshiri for, is he's doing what he said he would do, and he won't take second best as good enough. :)
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on August 23, 2018, 02:40:15 AM
https://twitter.com/usmanov1878/status/1031961974018658304?s=21 (https://twitter.com/usmanov1878/status/1031961974018658304?s=21)

Tom Davies running the show deep in the second half.

Watch our pressing when we lose the ball, and the runs in behind.

We actually look quite good here.

silvaball imminent?..
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: kramer0 on August 23, 2018, 02:53:45 AM
It's a big help to have players who make decisions quickly.

That's why I think we should be patient with the likes of Davies, Dowell, and Calvert-Lewin. Their awareness and speed of thought is better than a lot of senior pros we've had over the past five years.

We could end up with some terrific players if we're willing to persist with them through the occasional lapses in execution.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Thornton_19 on August 23, 2018, 03:24:58 AM
https://twitter.com/usmanov1878/status/1031961974018658304?s=21 (https://twitter.com/usmanov1878/status/1031961974018658304?s=21)

Tom Davies running the show deep in the second half.

Watch our pressing when we lose the ball, and the runs in behind.

We actually look quite good here.

silvaball imminent?..
Its so far removed from last season it brings a tear to the eye.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Dr. Sponge on August 23, 2018, 04:10:51 AM
It's a big help to have players who make decisions quickly.

That's why I think we should be patient with the likes of Davies, Dowell, and Calvert-Lewin. Their awareness and speed of thought is better than a lot of senior pros we've had over the past five years.

We could end up with some terrific players if we're willing to persist with them through the occasional lapses in execution.

This.

It’s difficult to see what kind of player Davies would turn out to be, he has talent but it’s hard to put a label on him. I thought he was really good as the deep DM in possession, maybe this is what he’ll be eventually.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Toddacelli on August 23, 2018, 04:15:09 AM
There’s a few good accounts on twitter that post good possession based attacking and small side coaching drills.

Care to share? 😊
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on August 23, 2018, 05:24:49 AM
This.

It’s difficult to see what kind of player Davies would turn out to be, he has talent but it’s hard to put a label on him. I thought he was really good as the deep DM in possession, maybe this is what he’ll be eventually.

Echo quoting him today saying silva is telling him to bomb on and play box to box.

I think that might be a bit different with Schneiderlin out, he’ll have to balance it a bit I imagine as he looks to be doing in the above clip. Sometimes winning it on the half way line, sometimes recycling posession, sometimes trying to slide people into the final third.

Really, really encouraging. I guess we’ve been waiting to see who gets used the way Silva used Doucore / Will Hughes - thought Gomes was potentially going to be the Doucore, but will be really interesting seeing what he gets out of Gana, Davies, Dowell.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on August 23, 2018, 06:02:40 AM
Care to share? 😊

Actually haven’t read this but it looks cool

https://twitter.com/eduardvschmidt/status/1030480229733724160?s=21

See this guy doing in depth stuff all the time. Tend to only read or watch if it looks consumable e.g video or gif

https://twitter.com/tenllado7/status/996780279493689344?s=21
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: stirlingblue on August 23, 2018, 01:19:46 PM
I thought the average positions graph from the Southampton game was interesting.

Coleman staying relatively deep and Walcott playing very centrally as we were making most attacks down the left hand side
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Mick 1995 on August 23, 2018, 02:22:03 PM
https://twitter.com/usmanov1878/status/1031961974018658304?s=21 (https://twitter.com/usmanov1878/status/1031961974018658304?s=21)

Tom Davies running the show deep in the second half.

Watch our pressing when we lose the ball, and the runs in behind.

We actually look quite good here.

silvaball imminent?..

God, it's genuinely hard to describe how much i loved that clip. Speed, penetration and intelligence for an extended period of time? Superb.

I never bought into the easy argument the media posited against Allardyce "Evertonians like a certain brand of football". We dont, not really - or, not more than everybody else when it comes down to it.

But fuck me, besides a goal-scoring centre half, i think i get my rocks off most by a pair of rottweilers in the middle of the park, hunting and destroying all in their path. Then having the ability to spray accurate balls all over the fucking place, balls that make the rest of the team automatically face and move towards the opposition goal.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Hawkandro on August 23, 2018, 02:22:12 PM
Echo quoting him today saying silva is telling him to bomb on and play box to box.

I think that might be a bit different with Schneiderlin out, he’ll have to balance it a bit I imagine as he looks to be doing in the above clip. Sometimes winning it on the half way line, sometimes recycling posession, sometimes trying to slide people into the final third.

Really, really encouraging. I guess we’ve been waiting to see who gets used the way Silva used Doucore / Will Hughes - thought Gomes was potentially going to be the Doucore, but will be really interesting seeing what he gets out of Gana, Davies, Dowell.

I think Davies has it in him to be a box to box midfielder. In his debut season, he was always looking for the killer pass, and he made a few of them too. Think the kid will be great, we just need to nurture him.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Lxxx on August 23, 2018, 02:37:23 PM
He looks like he’s just instructing players to make things happen, whereas previously they passed the buck and hoped at some point someone would do something. It’s great and refreshing to see.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Goaljira on August 23, 2018, 03:43:15 PM
I thought the average positions graph from the Southampton game was interesting.

Coleman staying relatively deep and Walcott playing very centrally as we were making most attacks down the left hand side

Thats going to be skewed a little by Richarlison and Walcott swapping positions a couple of times so registering touches on both sides of the pitch and therefore pulling the average position more central?
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: stirlingblue on August 23, 2018, 05:19:44 PM
Thats going to be skewed a little by Richarlison and Walcott swapping positions a couple of times so registering touches on both sides of the pitch and therefore pulling the average position more central?

True, although in theory that should effect both of them and Walcott is much more central than Richarlison in the graphic
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: stirlingblue on August 23, 2018, 05:22:23 PM
https://twitter.com/usmanov1878/status/1031961974018658304?s=21 (https://twitter.com/usmanov1878/status/1031961974018658304?s=21)

Tom Davies running the show deep in the second half.

Watch our pressing when we lose the ball, and the runs in behind.

We actually look quite good here.

silvaball imminent?..

The weight of pass on the Davies through ball to Coleman at the beginning isn’t something that I though he had in his locker
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: GLewis on August 23, 2018, 07:40:55 PM
The weight of pass on the Davies through ball to Coleman at the beginning isn’t something that I though he had in his locker

Coleman vs Palace away
Lukaku home vs Southampton
Lukaku home vs City

Good examples of this.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on August 23, 2018, 07:44:54 PM
Coleman vs Palace away
Lukaku home vs Southampton
Lukaku home vs City

Good examples of this.

When he first come through those little slid balls (one or two were first timers as well I think?) were the most exciting part of his game for me. But his impact on build up totally faded last year, probably because there literally wasn’t any build up to be done as we were the longest long ball team on the league.

Really, really excited to see if he can kick on this year.

P.s walcott’s ball to DCL in that clip is just as good - and both are examples of getting into that last bit of half space and driving a low ball across the box!
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: TheRam on August 23, 2018, 08:04:19 PM
Mention for how good Gana is in that clip and how good he’s been in general so far. 

Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on August 23, 2018, 08:07:20 PM
Mention for how good Gana is in that clip and how good he’s been in general so far. 



Yep give him that one
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Bluedylan on August 23, 2018, 08:34:49 PM
Silva giving massive praise to Gylfi in his presser there. Was asked about his performance last week and said 'fantastic' before elaborating.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Toddacelli on August 23, 2018, 08:55:43 PM
Coleman vs Palace away
Lukaku home vs Southampton
Lukaku home vs City

Good examples of this.

Dunno if it's one of the above, but the first touch pass he made when he had to adjust his body shape and weighted it perfectly - that was the best thing I've seen him do 💙
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Bluedylan on August 25, 2018, 05:37:29 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/aug/24/marco-silva-bournemouth-everton
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on August 26, 2018, 06:27:04 PM
6 points and through to the next round of the cup is my expectation for the next 3 games.

Some clean sheets would be very nice as well.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Dr. Sponge on August 26, 2018, 11:08:48 PM
We carry a threat going forward, something we’ve missed for a very long time. We just need to continue to build on this and tweak things defensively.

Very much a work in progress so 2 points dropped away to a good Bournemouth side, at the moment, shouldn’t be dwelled on too much.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: sam of the south on August 27, 2018, 01:32:21 AM
We carry a threat going forward, something we’ve missed for a very long time. We just need to continue to build on this and tweak things defensively.

Very much a work in progress so 2 points dropped away to a good Bournemouth side, at the moment, shouldn’t be dwelled on too much.

It was the way those two points were dropped, though, wasn’t it.

That collective mental fragility could take a good while to overhaul.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: wepull on August 27, 2018, 01:45:31 AM
I don't think we were that bad against Wolves defensively. We barely gave them any chances even though they were a man up for most of the game.

I think it's early days for Silva and he has obviously noticed our defensive frailties and that's why our major additions have been at the defensive end of the pitch. I think we will definitely improve defensively with time.

Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: GLewis on August 27, 2018, 02:01:45 AM
I don't think we were that bad against Wolves defensively. We barely gave them any chances even though they were a man up for most of the game.

I think it's early days for Silva and he has obviously noticed our defensive frailties and that's why our major additions have been at the defensive end of the pitch. I think we will definitely improve defensively with time.



Yes.

Defensive complaints should be left for a bit until we’ve played the majority of games with 11 men...
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Lxxx on August 27, 2018, 03:28:21 AM
Yes.

Defensive complaints should be left for a bit until we’ve played the majority of games with 11 men...

And we’ve worked on our set plays more. Both goals against from corners all our players, to a man, in the box have been stood statuesque ball watching. Clearly they need to understand what’s expected of them a little better.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Dr. Sponge on August 27, 2018, 03:34:50 AM
It was the way those two points were dropped, though, wasn't it.

That collective mental fragility could take a good while to overhaul.

I know, but don’t forget this is the end of an old team and the beginning of a new team. There’s plenty of work to be done, but there’s also plenty of positives and causes for optimism.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: sam of the south on August 27, 2018, 04:05:00 AM
I know, but don’t forget this is the end of an old team and the beginning of a new team. There’s plenty of work to be done, but there’s also plenty of positives and causes for optimism.

Without a doubt, that’s why I said it may take some time.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Shogun on August 27, 2018, 07:35:49 AM
A bit worried about the red card trend continuing.

From what I remember it’s a theme during Silva’s time at Watford.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on August 27, 2018, 10:10:45 AM
A bit worried about the red card trend continuing.

From what I remember it’s a theme during Silva’s time at Watford.

Well don’t look up his record from sporting then.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: GLewis on August 27, 2018, 12:57:44 PM
And we’ve worked on our set plays more. Both goals against from corners all our players, to a man, in the box have been stood statuesque ball watching. Clearly they need to understand what’s expected of them a little better.

Interesting (or not...) that they were both outswingers.

In zonal systems you need to go and win the ball.

I can see how it’s a bit easier inherently, if the ball is swinging in towards your goal.

Whereas with the ball moving away and then the angle being changed completely when the attacker heads it, it can create momentary stops as people instinctively stop and watch/ wait to see what’s happening.

It might be that we need to change the angles at which we run to meet the ball if it’s an outswinger, or may be a more simple thing like players at the far post remembering to stay switched on even when it looks like the ball is (initially) moving away from the danger zone.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Goaljira on August 27, 2018, 01:07:08 PM
Interesting (or not...) that they were both outswingers.

In zonal systems you need to go and win the ball.

I can see how it’s a bit easier inherently, if the ball is swinging in towards your goal.

Whereas with the ball moving away and then the angle being changed completely when the attacker heads it, it can create momentary stops as people instinctively stop and watch/ wait to see what’s happening.

It might be that we need to change the angles at which we run to meet the ball if it’s an outswinger, or may be a more simple thing like players at the far post remembering to stay switched on even when it looks like the ball is (initially) moving away from the danger zone.

I think we've missed Schneiderlin's height too.  He's not massive, but he's more capable in the air than either Gueye or Davies.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Mac934 on August 27, 2018, 03:12:57 PM
A bit worried about the red card trend continuing.

From what I remember it’s a theme during Silva’s time at Watford.
it's not as if the two reds were from seriously bad tackles, not like some teams that want to kick you off the pitch. One was from a defensive mistake, the other from a silly move from Richarlison.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on August 27, 2018, 03:18:28 PM
Lot of work to do defensively all the back four were caught knappin on saturday at some stage, some of it school boy stuff, drifting towards the play leaving massive space behind themselves, attackers left goalside in acres too many times to count, hopefully it'll be worked hard on this week, new players to come in so should improve a lot and stop us looking like conceding ar every attack, but at least were unbeaten and it's not dull.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Paddockoldie on August 27, 2018, 03:52:56 PM
I'm pleased we're actually scoring and attacking again. As for our shaky defence? We've got a nearly complete back line waiting t come in... Patience Blues. We will improve given time.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: sam of the south on August 27, 2018, 05:35:17 PM
I'm pleased we're actually scoring and attacking again. As for our shaky defence? We've got a nearly complete back line waiting t come in... Patience Blues. We will improve given time.

Yeah, if we’re all honest, we were only collectively confident in Coleman from last season, so we were under no illusions that our defence was ageing and a bit dodgy.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Bluedylan on August 27, 2018, 05:59:30 PM
A bit worried about the red card trend continuing.

From what I remember it’s a theme during Silva’s time at Watford.

They’re isolated incidents due to player error (Jags) and stupidity (Richarlison) so I don’t see any pattern emerging or reason for concern there.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Hawkandro on August 28, 2018, 02:26:18 PM
Really enjoying this season so far. Silva like a breath of fresh air after the past few seasons. Still not sold on the zonal marking though, although maybe that will improve when he gets the backline he wants installed and up to speed.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on August 28, 2018, 03:07:34 PM
There are some early concerns.

That paul riley that Kramer occasionally quotes articles of etc. Has generally been quite critical of Silva’s appointment (however - my view is that he is relentlessly critical because that’s part of his open job pitching) and has said this weekend that his prem xg numbers are shite.

However, he’s surely had extenuating circumstances at his other two jobs and here we’ve already had two games of 10 men!

I like a lot of what I’ve seen personally and it is a lot different to Sam and Koeman I hope we can all agree there. Let’s hope it’s a lot clearer he calibre of manager he is after say 10 or so prem games?
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Mick 1995 on August 28, 2018, 03:40:35 PM
There are some early concerns.

That paul riley that Kramer occasionally quotes articles of etc. Has generally been quite critical of Silva’s appointment (however - my view is that he is relentlessly critical because that’s part of his open job pitching) and has said this weekend that his prem xg numbers are shite.

However, he’s surely had extenuating circumstances at his other two jobs and here we’ve already had two games of 10 men!

I like a lot of what I’ve seen personally and it is a lot different to Sam and Koeman I hope we can all agree there. Let’s hope it’s a lot clearer he calibre of manager he is after say 10 or so prem games?

Yeah. There's no denying that we are a different force going forward. I have no long term worries about xG, as i trust any of our forward line to create & convert chances at expected rates.

There are concerns. At the back when defending set-pieces and the red cards. If it were just these 2 reds (and goals conceded as well actually) i wouldn't be too concerned. But how many times can a freak occurance happen before it stops being a freak occurance? And both these flaws have followed him around.


I'm happy. But there is still a whiff of "martinez' attacking football after the pragmatic Moyes" about it. (and, before the usual suspects appear. I know Moyes played good football quite a bit towards the end there. I also know that the grass wasn't greener with Koeman)
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: sam of the south on August 28, 2018, 04:16:10 PM
A good new tactics vid from this guy, who did the previous one we all watched when Silva was at Watford


Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: sam of the south on August 28, 2018, 04:22:01 PM
A good new tactics vid from this guy, who did the previous one we all watched when Silva was at Watford



Apologies for my lack of vocab today
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: stirlingblue on August 28, 2018, 04:22:53 PM
A good new tactics vid from this guy, who did the previous one we all watched when Silva was at Watford



Was just going to post that, interesting that he highlights Keane’s distribution as a strength as I hadn’t really considered it one
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: TheRam on August 28, 2018, 04:39:40 PM
Keane is a very good passer of the ball.

Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on August 28, 2018, 04:49:47 PM
Keane is a very good passer of the ball.



Seems to stray from very good to total headcase at any moment on the ball.

That little dink against Southampton was it was superb, but then at any moment when closed down he turns into Jags with his eyes closed.

Confidence maybe.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on August 28, 2018, 04:51:34 PM
Yeah. There's no denying that we are a different force going forward. I have no long term worries about xG, as i trust any of our forward line to create & convert chances at expected rates.

There are concerns. At the back when defending set-pieces and the red cards. If it were just these 2 reds (and goals conceded as well actually) i wouldn't be too concerned. But how many times can a freak occurance happen before it stops being a freak occurance? And both these flaws have followed him around.


I'm happy. But there is still a whiff of "martinez' attacking football after the pragmatic Moyes" about it. (and, before the usual suspects appear. I know Moyes played good football quite a bit towards the end there. I also know that the grass wasn't greener with Koeman)

Think xg concerns covers goals expected from chances created vs goals conceded from chances allowed.

Best teams have a nice healthy inverse relationship creating lots and allowing few, while teams like us are mooching about in the middle somewhere allowing too much and not creating a lot.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: pjk on August 28, 2018, 04:56:39 PM
Think xg concerns covers goals expected from chances created vs goals conceded from chances allowed.

Best teams have a nice healthy inverse relationship creating lots and allowing few, while teams like us are mooching about in the middle somewhere allowing too much and not creating a lot.



Yeah! Our Xg needs to be honest good old fashioned non-mooching around in the midde there, type stuff. :)
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Bluedylan on August 28, 2018, 06:17:31 PM
There are some early concerns.

That paul riley that Kramer occasionally quotes articles of etc. Has generally been quite critical of Silva’s appointment (however - my view is that he is relentlessly critical because that’s part of his open job pitching) and has said this weekend that his prem xg numbers are shite.

However, he’s surely had extenuating circumstances at his other two jobs and here we’ve already had two games of 10 men!

I like a lot of what I’ve seen personally and it is a lot different to Sam and Koeman I hope we can all agree there. Let’s hope it’s a lot clearer he calibre of manager he is after say 10 or so prem games?

D'you not think some of this is a little premature?

You know, with us playing with a mismash of previous managers' players, loads of new players not involved yet, a truncated summer etc etc

I think it's a little absurd to even attempt to analyse it at the moment.

Everyone wants everything yesterday. I long for the pre-social media days when managers would be given 6 months or even a season of grace to bed into a club.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on August 28, 2018, 06:23:07 PM
D'you not think some of this is a little premature?

You know, with us playing with a mismash of previous managers' players, loads of new players not involved yet, a truncated summer etc etc

I think it's a little absurd to even attempt to analyse it at the moment.

Everyone wants everything yesterday. I long for the pre-social media days when managers would be given 6 months or even a season of grace to bed into a club.

No sorry?

I’m talking about his prem history, and I’ve said I’m not sweating any of it until he’s had like 10 games to see how his system is looking.

You don’t have any opinion? You don’t say want to watch that video above and see how his tactics are shaping up, or anything like that?
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: MmmblueBernard on August 28, 2018, 06:38:00 PM
I’ve said I’m not sweating any of it until he’s had like 10 games to see how his system is looking.

Ya gotta give him at least a season (2 windows) surely?

The rot has been set deep in recent times.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on August 28, 2018, 06:42:54 PM
Ya gotta give him at least a season (2 windows) surely?

The rot has been set deep in recent times.

I’m not saying sack him or anything in the same universe as that btw I hope no one thinks that, I’m just saying let’s talk about how he’s doing and how the team are adapting at that point.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Mick 1995 on August 28, 2018, 06:48:44 PM
Ya gotta give him at least a season (2 windows) surely?

The rot has been set deep in recent times.

you see, i don't really think it has. I think there was a concerted PR effort to make it look like we had a bag-of-shit squad.
But we've only added one player and looked an order of magnitude better all over the pitch.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on August 28, 2018, 06:55:12 PM
you see, i don't really think it has. I think there was a concerted PR effort to make it look like we had a bag-of-shit squad.
But we've only added one player and looked an order of magnitude better all over the pitch.

Worst CF options in the league last year imo, until we brought Cenk in. Every other side had a forward that would have got in ahead of ours.

Easily a relegation back four started the year, Kenny, Keane, Williams, Cuco - just dreadful dreadful dreadful.

Just the balance of the side and the top and bottom heavy age spread as well, minutes going to players too old AND too young, trying to bed players in with a total circus going on and getting pumped in every competition going both home and away.... just a nightmare.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: TheRam on August 28, 2018, 07:00:12 PM
Worst CF options in the league last year imo, until we brought Cenk in. Every other side had a forward that would have got in ahead of ours.

Easily a relegation back four started the year, Kenny, Keane, Williams, Cuco - just dreadful dreadful dreadful.

Just the balance of the side and the top and bottom heavy age spread as well, minutes going to players too old AND too young, trying to bed players in with a total circus going on and getting pumped in every competition going both home and away.... just a nightmare.

Shout out to Cenk btw who is leading the line quite brilliantly at the moment.

Just needs to bag, but hasn't really had a chance yet
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on August 28, 2018, 07:03:37 PM
Shout out to Cenk btw who is leading the line quite brilliantly at the moment.

Just needs to bag, but hasn't really had a chance yet

He’s growing on me our cenk, celebrates others goals well as well which is a totally soft thing I shouldn’t be arsed about but I am.

Hope we can give him some service.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Martip on August 28, 2018, 07:46:24 PM
He’s growing on me our cenk, celebrates others goals well as well which is a totally soft thing I shouldn’t be arsed about but I am.

Hope we can give him some service.
I like him but am not sure he's the long term answer to us having a crack at the top 4 later on.....hes doing ok atm although not pulling up any trees.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on August 28, 2018, 07:48:31 PM
I like him but am not sure he's the long term answer to us having a crack at the top 4 later on.....hes doing ok atm although not pulling up any trees.

Not sure any of them are the answer to top 4.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Bluedylan on August 28, 2018, 08:10:19 PM
No sorry?

I’m talking about his prem history, and I’ve said I’m not sweating any of it until he’s had like 10 games to see how his system is looking.

You don’t have any opinion? You don’t say want to watch that video above and see how his tactics are shaping up, or anything like that?

I don't think the sample size is enough to be able to really form an opinion yet.

I would point to numerous examples of managers in the past (including Ferguson at Utd) who took a long time to build their sides, and would've  been sacked before they ever achieved anything in today's climate with such instantaneous judgements.

I get that you're not saying this, but I'm really tired of the desire for instantaneous results or success. I also think purely statistical analysis is very limited, and completely ignores context, background, the human side of the game.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: sam of the south on August 28, 2018, 08:15:13 PM
Not sure any of them are the answer to top 4.

I have an admittedly romanticised feeling that Richarlison is
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Bluedylan on August 28, 2018, 08:18:26 PM
I have an admittedly romanticised feeling that Richarlison is

Defo is. So's Pickford. Bernard potentially could be. Zouma at is best is (winning Chelsea's player of the season, for example). Gana and Gylfi could get in Top 4 squads, imo.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on August 28, 2018, 08:26:23 PM
I have an admittedly romanticised feeling that Richarlison is

Same, pickford as well.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on August 28, 2018, 08:27:45 PM
I don't think the sample size is enough to be able to really form an opinion yet.

I would point to numerous examples of managers in the past (including Ferguson at Utd) who took a long time to build their sides, and would've  been sacked before they ever achieved anything in today's climate with such instantaneous judgements.

I get that you're not saying this, but I'm really tired of the desire for instantaneous results or success. I also think purely statistical analysis is very limited, and completely ignores context, background, the human side of the game.

That’s fine but after 10/11 games there will be stories to tell and insights to be had in the data and performances. Not going to ignore them if they far bad because I certainly won’t if they are good.

I expect they will be mixed.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Mouse on August 28, 2018, 08:34:08 PM
Shout out to Cenk btw who is leading the line quite brilliantly at the moment.

Just needs to bag, but hasn't really had a chance yet

I enjoy watching Cenk and what he brings to the team. He is willing to sacrifice himself to create space for others and his strength and hold-up play are contributing greatly to what we do. He just needs a goal for his own sake, his general play has been enough to justify his place.

I've only seen highlights of Saturday but it seems we are showing huge improvement going forward. Amazing what a bit of a plan and allowing players to play in their correct postions can do. Defensively I'm not fully convinced yet, but we are still playing with the same players that were confused and all over the place last season. Central defence is definitely better and I feel for Keane as he is just finding some form. It is a sign of where we are now that losing 2 central defenders to injury and suspension is not seen as a catastrophe.

What I am certain about is that only 3 games into any season it is madness to make any general statements about style or progress. Only Richarlison of our summer transfers has had any kind of game time, I don't think we are near seeing Silva's own best 11. Brap2 is right to call for 10 games just to have a better idea of what Silva's 'style' is and how our squad is adapting to it.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: sam of the south on August 28, 2018, 08:37:57 PM
I’m still not sure on Pickford’s Top 4 credentials, although I like him a lot, he doesn’t make me feel entirely calm, and I feel a top goalkeeper should.

Southall did in the 80’s for example, as did Martyn in his stint with us, and they were both top class.

Howard was an excellent keeper in his pomp with us, but he never made me feel calm, and he wasn’t top level either.

I’m probably talking shit, but it’s just how I feel (although I’m sure I would feel calmer if Pickford also had a solid, pacey backline in front of him)
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Toddacelli on August 28, 2018, 09:30:24 PM
Ya gotta give him at least a season (2 windows) surely?

The rot has been set deep in recent times.

We're just interested in how the new manager is going to pan out and what sort of team he's going to build so we're looking for clues at the mo and discussing what the final picture could look like.

I don't think anyone on here is not ready to give him time, just mentioning one or two things from his past we should maybe be aware of - more to see if he improves that with us, rather than to use as a stick to beat him with.

It's been a roller-coaster couple of first weeks and it will take a long while to settle - especially when you see the quality on the bench at the moment - we know they are not just here to make up the numbers, but each one will need time to settle in with various combinations of teammates and tactics.

On the whole, I'm very positive and I expect us to be a bit of a surprise this season for some.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Outworlder47 on August 28, 2018, 10:36:34 PM
Not worried by Tosun at this time. If he's a 1-in-3 striker at this level, then mathematically there's about a 50% chance that he'll have one stretch of at least 6 matches without scoring.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Evertonian in NC on August 28, 2018, 10:45:41 PM
I’m still not sure on Pickford’s Top 4 credentials, although I like him a lot, he doesn’t make me feel entirely calm, and I feel a top goalkeeper should.

Southall did in the 80’s for example, as did Martyn in his stint with us, and they were both top class.

Howard was an excellent keeper in his pomp with us, but he never made me feel calm, and he wasn’t top level either.

I’m probably talking shit, but it’s just how I feel (although I’m sure I would feel calmer if Pickford also had a solid, pacey backline in front of him)

I think Pickford's already the best keeper in the Prem not named Hugo Lloris.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: sam of the south on August 28, 2018, 11:10:06 PM
I think Pickford's already the best keeper in the Prem not named Hugo Lloris.

You think he’s better than De Gea?
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Martip on August 28, 2018, 11:18:42 PM
I think Pickford's already the best keeper in the Prem not named Hugo Lloris.
Really?
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: MmmblueBernard on August 28, 2018, 11:34:43 PM
Pickfords top 5. No doubt.

Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Martip on August 29, 2018, 12:18:42 AM
Pickfords top 5. No doubt.
Maybe. It's debatable as there is
Lloris, De Gea, Ederson, Kasper, Allison, Kepa and even Fabianski on his day.

On his prem form last year I'd say not but on his World Cup form definately....just hope he can raise his game to those levels for us this year.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Evertonian in NC on August 29, 2018, 12:25:58 AM
I'm just not a huge De Gea fan.  He's good, mind, but I don't think great.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Macca77 on August 29, 2018, 12:27:52 AM
De Gea, Loris and Ederson are the only 3 prem keepers better than Pickford, not by much like
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: TheRam on August 29, 2018, 12:56:13 AM
I think de gea, Allison, ederson and loris are a level above Pickford myself.

Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Shogun on August 29, 2018, 01:03:51 AM
I think de gea, Allison, ederson and loris are a level above Pickford myself.



What's Allison got on Pickford?

Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Macca77 on August 29, 2018, 01:08:12 AM
What's Allison got on Pickford?



About 35 million quid, that's about it
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: TheRam on August 29, 2018, 01:09:00 AM
He’s that little bit better in every department.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Evertonian in NC on August 29, 2018, 01:23:21 AM
I can see the case for Ederson, I'd rate him and Pickford about equally.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: TheRam on August 29, 2018, 01:30:25 AM
I can see the case for Ederson, I'd rate him and Pickford about equally.

Come on now.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Evertonian in NC on August 29, 2018, 01:44:18 AM
I mean, sure I could be wrong, but I see Pickford as absolutely world class.  Did so before the World Cup.  We are privileged to have him, and need to keep him against all offers.  He's special.

Only downside is he's always played in front of atrocious defenses.  Until, fingers crossed, this coming season (when we are healthy).  I'm hopeful even Zouma/Holgate will be quite positive for him, but Mina joining the fray will really make a difference.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Evertonian in NC on August 29, 2018, 01:46:59 AM
I've also always hoped that Pickford can be our Lloris, in terms of allowing us to play very aggressive, attacking football.  Not that he has to be quite that good, as Lloris is amazing.

But to allow Everton to take the step forward as a progressive club, much like Spurs did.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on August 29, 2018, 02:36:55 AM
I'm just not a huge De Gea fan.  He's good, mind, but I don't think great.

Best keeper in the world surely
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Goaljira on August 29, 2018, 02:59:40 AM
I think Pickford's already the best keeper in the Prem not named Hugo Lloris.

(https://78.media.tumblr.com/40ec3c40bf87ec4565fb19edbd6ea7f1/tumblr_inline_p7yrquS7gI1uv9nx5_540.gif)
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: TheRam on August 29, 2018, 04:17:05 AM
Best keeper in the world surely

I don’t think there’s even a debate about it.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Thornton_19 on August 29, 2018, 04:21:08 AM
I really dont rate Lloris but Pickford is clearly behind De Gea, Alisson and Ederson for me.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Martip on August 29, 2018, 04:52:57 AM
I really dont rate Lloris but Pickford is clearly behind De Gea, Alisson and Ederson for me.
Pickford has done no where near enough to even be close to these players.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Jimmywhack on August 29, 2018, 04:55:26 AM
Not entirely sure what Allison has done but de gea, ederson and loris have done plenty more
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Macca77 on August 29, 2018, 05:04:39 AM
Not entirely sure what Allison has done but de gea, ederson and loris have done plenty more

This

Allison has done fuck all yet, well apart from chipping the ball over a Brighton players head
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Evertonian in NC on August 29, 2018, 05:52:19 AM
I really dont rate Lloris but Pickford is clearly behind De Gea, Alisson and Ederson for me.

Even though I disagree, I like it just because it shows how taste in keepers, like art or music, must be so much in the eye of the beholder.  :D
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: blargins on August 29, 2018, 06:54:45 AM
I've always rated Lloris and prefer him to De Gea, but De Gea is the better keeper.

Pickford is great for us, but I don't fully trust him yet. I always feel whatever team he plays for, he'll concede a goal.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Dr. Sponge on August 29, 2018, 07:14:03 AM
Did I just skim past a mad shout about De Gea not being very good?
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Jamokachi on August 29, 2018, 09:52:14 AM
Lloris is not the 'keeper he was. Many mistakes last season, and look at the WC Final for a prime example of issues with his concentration levels these days. De Gea and Ederson are the league's top two, no doubt. Jury is out on Kepa and Allison for the time being, though they are top 'keepers no doubt. Pickford falls into the top 3 at the moment for me.

Pissing myself at Fabianski being named in the top 5 there. Fuck off lolol
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Martip on August 29, 2018, 02:54:54 PM
Lloris is not the 'keeper he was. Many mistakes last season, and look at the WC Final for a prime example of issues with his concentration levels these days. De Gea and Ederson are the league's top two, no doubt. Jury is out on Kepa and Allison for the time being, though they are top 'keepers no doubt. Pickford falls into the top 3 at the moment for me.

Pissing myself at Fabianski being named in the top 5 there. Fuck off lolol
Out of interest how have you come to that conclusion ref pickford being the 3rd best in the league ? I've got to be honest and say that a couple of great games in the world cup aside, he's been very up and down imo and I don't feel totally confident in him at times.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Liam on August 29, 2018, 02:58:50 PM
Best Keeper in the world is easily between, De Gea, Lloris and Courtois (how has no one mentioned him yet btw?)
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Cereal Killer on August 29, 2018, 03:01:35 PM
Best Keeper in the world is easily between, De Gea, Lloris and Courtois (how has no one mentioned him yet btw?)

Because he doesn't play in the Prem anymore?
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Thornton_19 on August 29, 2018, 03:17:35 PM
Best Keeper in the world is easily between, De Gea, Lloris and Courtois (how has no one mentioned him yet btw?)
If we are doing the world, not including Oblak is a sin ofnthe highest order here.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Macca77 on August 29, 2018, 03:20:46 PM
Allison is the greatest keeper in the entire history of football, an absolute bargain at 66 million quid
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Jamokachi on August 29, 2018, 03:28:14 PM
Out of interest how have you come to that conclusion ref pickford being the 3rd best in the league ? I've got to be honest and say that a couple of great games in the world cup aside, he's been very up and down imo and I don't feel totally confident in him at times.

I'm not basing that on the World Cup. I'm basing it on watching him a lot for Sunderland, watching him all of last season, and the World Cup.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Jamokachi on August 29, 2018, 03:29:49 PM
Best Keeper in the world is easily between, De Gea, Lloris and Courtois (how has no one mentioned him yet btw?)

Because we were talking about Premier League 'keepers?
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Lxxx on August 29, 2018, 04:29:59 PM
Not worried by Tosun at this time. If he's a 1-in-3 striker at this level, then mathematically there's about a 50% chance that he'll have one stretch of at least 6 matches without scoring.

I don’t think he’ll be a nailed on 1 in 3 in this setup. I think our main threat will come down the flanks and arriving from deep, the striker will be tasked with doing the lions share of the graft to make the space for others. He’ll notch but not as many as we think he will and in my opinion a striker who is pacier and more mobile will be better suited to scoring from open play.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Martip on August 29, 2018, 04:59:48 PM
I'm not basing that on the World Cup. I'm basing it on watching him a lot for Sunderland, watching him all of last season, and the World Cup.
This is the thing I don't think he was THAT good for us last year. He was decent but looked like he a mistake in him.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: blargins on August 29, 2018, 05:14:40 PM
He’s won more challenges in the final third of the pitch than any other player in the league this season. Says a bit about his graft.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Silas on August 29, 2018, 05:49:44 PM
You can't put Pickford in the best in the world argument. Best British keeper for sure but there aren't many great ones. Needs to be consistent for longer to get in the best conversion
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Martip on August 30, 2018, 03:18:46 PM
You know what Silva has done a great job so far. Decent performances, good transfers and happy rejuvinated players.

But even better than that the passion feels like it's back and we seem to have a way of playing that the players will grow into rather than just trying to wing it.

There will be bumps in the road but happy so far.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on August 30, 2018, 05:47:37 PM
Was Zouma doing most of the switching of play first half or was it just me?

Dowell and Davies both comfortable doing it but we’re pushed up the pitch, with Zouma rotating it between digne and Kenny.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Bluedylan on August 30, 2018, 05:55:13 PM
Was Zouma doing most of the switching of play first half or was it just me?

Dowell and Davies both comfortable doing it but we’re pushed up the pitch, with Zouma rotating it between digne and Kenny.

I noticed he was fizzing the ball particularly into Digne's feet repeatedly, and Digne was killing it with his first touch every time.

It's a noticeable step up on Jags, underhitting and bobbling a 10 yard pass behind the full back or winding up the long diagonal to sail over the wide players head into the 3rd row of the stand.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Mick 1995 on August 30, 2018, 06:01:29 PM
I have to admit, the spooning it and then falling on his arse within 5 minutes of the game starting filled me with dread.

But he grew into the game andi'd be more than happy if we bought him next summer. He still has a lot to learn, but is a bit of a kid and has all the tools needed to learn it.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on September 03, 2018, 06:08:52 PM
If anyone has any non negative tactics takes on our mate silva this morning I could do with them thanks x
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: TheRam on September 03, 2018, 06:17:31 PM
If anyone has any non negative tactics takes on our mate silva this morning I could do with them thanks x

You flapped already lad. Four games in.

I had November for you in the sweepstakes.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on September 03, 2018, 06:21:54 PM
You flapped already lad. Four games in.

I had November for you in the sweepstakes.

I haven’t flapped anything you little denim hoody ratman, I’m out here looking for positive takes because I’m sick of the negative ones.

Overall I’m not arsed - about on schedule for a 50-65 point season. We’re going to draw with a lot of dross all year, get used to it.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Bluedylan on September 03, 2018, 09:58:13 PM
If anyone has any non negative tactics takes on our mate silva this morning I could do with them thanks x

Is everything ok at home, brap?
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on September 03, 2018, 10:11:52 PM
Is everything ok at home, brap?

No, we’re all evertonians i’m afraid
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: TheRam on September 04, 2018, 03:15:28 AM
I haven’t flapped anything you little denim hoody ratman, I’m out here looking for positive takes because I’m sick of the negative ones.

Overall I’m not arsed - about on schedule for a 50-65 point season. We’re going to draw with a lot of dross all year, get used to it.

We should be 17th according to the XG :)
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on September 04, 2018, 04:05:36 AM
We should be 17th according to the XG :)

Oh I know my mate.

2 red cards and a host of wacky injuries, though, and only 4 games in.

10/11 games lets see what we’re saying. About 1000 mins and we should see some silvaball ideas coming through, especially with Big Yerry and Zoumzoum at the back.

if not I will probably start moaning properly.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Glory on September 04, 2018, 05:45:16 AM
It's the first season under a new manager. The last four seasons have seen wildly different approaches with little to no stability for the players. What is everyone expecting him to do? Win the League?

I was disappoited by the last game, but I am hardly surprised. It will take time. Maybe even a season. If we get on his back after 10 games then we really are our own worst enemy.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on September 10, 2018, 11:42:33 PM
Couldn’t find a cenk thread, have a look at where we’ve been passing the ball to him the poor bastard.

https://twitter.com/efc_statto/status/1039085674811600896?s=21

Got to feel for him haven’t you. Hope we can make some chances for him soon. Even if it’s just crosses!
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Shogun on September 10, 2018, 11:52:21 PM
Couldn’t find a cenk thread, have a look at where we’ve been passing the ball to him the poor bastard.

https://twitter.com/efc_statto/status/1039085674811600896?s=21

Got to feel for him haven’t you. Hope we can make some chances for him soon. Even if it’s just crosses!

Yeah I decided to give him a break after this

Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Lxxx on September 11, 2018, 01:46:08 AM
Couldn’t find a cenk thread, have a look at where we’ve been passing the ball to him the poor bastard.

https://twitter.com/efc_statto/status/1039085674811600896?s=21

Got to feel for him haven’t you. Hope we can make some chances for him soon. Even if it’s just crosses!

The flip side to that is that we're passing to him in these areas because he doesn't have the pace to vary the passes to him. He's working laterally and dropping deep because he can't go the other way. What we really need is a striker who can do what he does but also spin and offer a different line of attack as well.

He's decent at doing what he does but he's not really capable of creating anything for himself either, so as much as we feel for him it's also down to is limitations too.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on September 11, 2018, 02:55:11 AM
The flip side to that is that we're passing to him in these areas because he doesn't have the pace to vary the passes to him. He's working laterally and dropping deep because he can't go the other way. What we really need is a striker who can do what he does but also spin and offer a different line of attack as well.

He's decent at doing what he does but he's not really capable of creating anything for himself either, so as much as we feel for him it's also down to is limitations too.

There’s an element of chicken and egg but i do really think this is at least party down to our lack of incisive passers in midfield.

At Besiktas he was (firstly playing against crapper players yeah) but secondly getting fed by people like Ozyakup, who do pass progressively and do give him stuff to feed on.

Maybe when we’re clicking a bit more it will start dropping to him, but atm we’re still quite low down the table in terms of amount and quality of chances created which of course is bad news for our strikers.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Lxxx on September 11, 2018, 03:09:51 AM
There’s an element of chicken and egg but i do really think this is at least party down to our lack of incisive passers in midfield.

At Besiktas he was (firstly playing against crapper players yeah) but secondly getting fed by people like Ozyakup, who do pass progressively and do give him stuff to feed on.

Maybe when we’re clicking a bit more it will start dropping to him, but atm we’re still quite low down the table in terms of amount and quality of chances created which of course is bad news for our strikers.

Yeh true. Our midfield three is pretty functional without much creativity in there but he also doesn’t spin or attempt to roll his defender very often as he knows he hasn’t the speed to get away.

Still, it’d be interesting to see how he plays with a player like Bernard who might play balls round the corner to move onto. Or with someone like Gomes who likes to stride forward with the ball and force defenders to think about whether to step up or drop.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: sam of the south on September 11, 2018, 04:52:31 AM
Yeh true. Our midfield three is pretty functional without much creativity in there but he also doesn’t spin or attempt to roll his defender very often as he knows he hasn’t the speed to get away.

Still, it’d be interesting to see how he plays with a player like Bernard who might play balls round the corner to move onto. Or with someone like Gomes who likes to stride forward with the ball and force defenders to think about whether to step up or drop.

I’m not feeling optimistic about getting Bernard or Gomes cemented in the side before Christmas to be honest, and it’s a real shame, because creativity wise our midfield is pretty much vile shite.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Dr. Sponge on September 11, 2018, 02:02:17 PM
Tosun isn’t setting the world alight but he’ll do for now. He’s proving enough of a distraction while our attacking wingers do the damage. The midfield is a much greater worry, we need to be far more dominant in there.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: stirlingblue on September 11, 2018, 02:24:48 PM
Not sure where everybody is getting the idea that Tosun is slow from.

For me he’s of average pace, doesn’t look any slower than Niasse who runs in behind all the time
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Macca77 on September 11, 2018, 02:27:48 PM
Tosun is better than Niasse

There, I said it
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: TheRam on September 11, 2018, 02:30:20 PM
Not sure where everybody is getting the idea that Tosun is slow from.

For me he’s of average pace, doesn’t look any slower than Niasse who runs in behind all the time

Niasse is a lot faster than tosun.

Tosun is a bit slow but that doesn’t matter to me. People get too hung up on everybody having pace these days.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Cereal Killer on September 11, 2018, 03:15:48 PM
Tosun is better than Niasse

There, I said it

But but but but what about his smile? And hard work? And effort after Koeman didn't give him a locker? And his Russian player of the year award?

 :bonk:
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Lxxx on September 11, 2018, 05:04:13 PM
Not sure where everybody is getting the idea that Tosun is slow from.

For me he’s of average pace, doesn’t look any slower than Niasse who runs in behind all the time

So why does he not do it more often then? We need him to go both ways during a game more often to vary our attack. Against Huddersfield, although they sat deep, we needed a striker to be nimble enough to make darting, explosive runs and we needed a player with vision to find them. Instead we had strikers coming deep and midfielders passing the ball laterally. It's a concern but until we get everyone fit and integrated we don't know if we have the answer in our squad somewhere.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on September 17, 2018, 01:08:11 AM
Might not last the season
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Lxxx on September 17, 2018, 01:15:21 AM
Even if he loses the next four he’s going nowhere. We’ve moved heaven and earth and risked an FA charge for this bloke, Moshiri has to believe in him even if people around him might start questioning.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: GLewis on September 17, 2018, 01:20:39 AM
No need to even question this season.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on September 17, 2018, 01:25:18 AM
Say what you like, and I wouldn’t like it as much as you wouldn’t, but if showings like that continue, he may not last the season.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: GLewis on September 17, 2018, 01:28:16 AM
Say what you like, and I wouldn’t like it as much as you wouldn’t, but if showings like that continue, he may not let the season.

Don’t think we lose without 5/5 choice cb playing

CM/ Bernard workings out is big issue too.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Ross on September 17, 2018, 01:38:54 AM
Don’t think we lose without 5/5 choice cb playing

CM/ Bernard workings out is big issue too.

His biggest gamble is putting faith in Schneiderlin.

Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Lxxx on September 17, 2018, 01:44:21 AM
His biggest gamble is putting faith in Schneiderlin.



He had a decent 40 or so minutes against Southampton and I was reading all kinds of rubbish on here and on Twitter about him being back to his best. The lad is completely gone as a top level midfielder. He has nothing to offer going either way.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: BlueForYou on September 17, 2018, 01:47:20 AM
Silva gone by end of season?

And then what? Richarlison goes? Arteta in?

He's here for the season and we're in it with him, whatever the weather

And he can only gamble on the players we've got
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on September 17, 2018, 01:51:08 AM
We need a Capitan Phil.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Simon Paul on September 17, 2018, 01:51:46 AM
What happens if Silva goes?

Do we start to look at the root cause?

Do we look at the culture at the club? Do we look at the man doing the hiring? Do we look at the constants in the backroom staff?

Or do we just lash money at another manager and sack them after 18 months?

We need to give Silva more than 6 games ffs but he needs to show he's worth that chance. Let's leave the hatchetts in the cupboard under the stairs for now though yeah?
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: BlueForYou on September 17, 2018, 01:53:22 AM
Yeah - you got it
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Ross on September 17, 2018, 01:57:39 AM
He had a decent 40 or so minutes against Southampton and I was reading all kinds of rubbish on here and on Twitter about him being back to his best. The lad is completely gone as a top level midfielder. He has nothing to offer going either way.

Never really understood the big morghype myself.



Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Lxxx on September 17, 2018, 01:57:57 AM
What happens if Silva goes?

Do we start to look at the root cause?

Do we look at the culture at the club? Do we look at the man doing the hiring? Do we look at the constants in the backroom staff?

Or do we just lash money at another manager and sack them after 18 months?

We need to give Silva more than 6 games ffs but he needs to show he's worth that chance. Let's leave the hatchetts in the cupboard under the stairs for now though yeah?

I think everyone would agree with that but we want to see some improvement pretty sharpish.

He’s got three aces up his sleeve in Richarlison, Mina and Bernard so he won’t be panicking just yet. However he needs them all firing quickly to stop Goodison turning toxic again. 
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on September 17, 2018, 02:19:18 AM
Don’t think we lose without 5/5 choice cb playing

CM/ Bernard workings out is big issue too.

Out of curiosity, what are 1, 2, 3 and 4/5?
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Shogun on September 17, 2018, 02:31:51 AM
I do think Gylfi is causing issues, not him personally but feel like we'd be a better team with someone like Davies in there and more of a 4-3-3.

Pickford
Coleman Zouma Mina Digne
Davies Schneiderlin Gana
Walcott Tosun Richarlison

And over the next couple of windows we need to sort that midfield three out because I'm not sure any of them are up to it.

Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: arteta4spain on September 17, 2018, 02:44:26 AM
I do think Gylfi is causing issues, not him personally but feel like we'd be a better team with someone like Davies in there and more of a 4-3-3.

Pickford
Coleman Zouma Mina Digne
Davies Schneiderlin Gana
Walcott Tosun Richarlison

And over the next couple of windows we need to sort that midfield three out because I'm not sure any of them are up to it.
Not seen any of the game but it seems that Sigurdsson is a square peg in a round hole at the moment. I think once we have our first xi it’ll start to work but I think we’re not looking beyond that. I know that we haven’t got a lot of options right now or the actual numbers to do it’s an when everyone is fit. It feels like there’s no plan b.
I wasn’t sold on Silva tbh and he gives me a touch of the Martinez’s. You can roll your eyes but we do need to give him time 2 seasons max. This is a transitional period right now and Silva may and right now is encountering some problems if he can start to iron them out during the season we’ll be fine. Only time will tell.
Jury is still out on him but he’s got enough to time to get it right.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on September 17, 2018, 02:52:21 AM
It’s actually quite difficult to watch Gylfi in this side. Pointing at his feet while marked by 2 defenders for 90 minutes doing his best Davy Klaassen impression.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: GLewis on September 17, 2018, 03:02:02 AM
Out of curiosity, what are 1, 2, 3 and 4/5?

Order is open to interpretation but Mina, Zouma, Keane, Jags.

Last two games have had nascent periods of momentum punctured by a basic ball up to the CF who, when on our right side, has had a very easy hold up and switch to someone else, nearly every time.

It’s been made worse by Holgate being left in no man’s land and not being deeper in a set formation either.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Martip on September 17, 2018, 03:04:31 AM
That was woeful today it really was and was a throwback to the depths of early last season. On a plus point id never sat in the top balcony before and really enjoyed it other than the performance.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: indiantoffee1975 on September 17, 2018, 03:11:17 AM
Need to stick with Silva even if it means ending up in the bottom 6 this season. Hopefully it won't be that. He needs atleast three transfers windows to get his own players in. We have to give a manager a chance.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: BlueForYou on September 17, 2018, 03:16:03 AM
Until January:

1)Pickford

2)Coleman
4)Zouma
5)Mina
3)Digne

7)Gomes
6)Gana
10)Sigurdsson
8)Bernard

9)Richarlison
11)Walcott
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: TheRam on September 17, 2018, 03:36:32 AM
Play 4-3–3, drop Morgan, and if Sigurdsson doesn’t fit into that system then so be it.

He has to start being brave with his selections.

The team today resembled the mess of last season but there was plenty of options to do something different.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: BlueForYou on September 17, 2018, 04:10:04 AM
4-3-3?

1)Pickford

2)Coleman
4)Zouma
5)Mina
3)Digne

7)Gomes
6)Gana
10)Sigurdsson

8)Bernard
9)Richarlison
11)Walcott

How's that?
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Lxxx on September 17, 2018, 04:10:46 AM
He’s played it too safe so far this season. Sig is never a No 10 and at home he should be a No 8 so we at least have more of an attacking threat.

Watching that defensive midfield pairing at home 18 months after everyone saw it doesn’t work was painful. We’ll get our customary arses handed to us at the Emirates by about three goals next week and we’ll be back to averaging around 2 goals conceded again per game.

We’ve seen this before for the past few years, if heads start to go the crowd start to turn and it becomes a sorry state of affairs.

I hope he has a plan that doesn’t just consist of get the three South American lads in the team and everything will be fine.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on September 17, 2018, 04:13:34 AM
We’re watching the exact same thing.

Slightly better in the final third pinging balls off one another with better 1v1 players in Walcott and Richarlison but other than that, it’s the exact same shite.

I wouldn’t have said Holgate - Zouma was a dreadful combo and I wouldnt expect them to be but yeah @GLewis (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=258) the last 2 forwards have handled them very, very easily. Especially compared to Tosun who’s had very short change out of his opposition.

I think unfortunately he should drop one of Gana, Morgan or Gylfi - play a passing midfielder and get one of Gana or Morgan to do one full job rather than two half-assed jobs, or pull Gylfi and get a real second striker in.

January cannot come soon enough.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Heisenberg on September 17, 2018, 04:31:12 AM
4-3-3?

1)Pickford

2)Coleman
4)Zouma
5)Mina
3)Digne

7)Gomes
6)Gana
10)Sigurdsson

8)Bernard
9)Richarlison
11)Walcott

How's that?

This is what I want to see
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: TheRam on September 17, 2018, 05:02:49 AM
I’d rather see DCL given a run upfront before moving Richarlison there.

Maybe play him just off the front man with Bernard and Walcott wide?

Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Martip on September 17, 2018, 05:06:01 AM
I’d rather see DCL given a run upfront before moving Richarlison there.

Maybe play him just off the front man with Bernard and Walcott wide?
I'd consider Walcott there...both were so bad today
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Dr. Sponge on September 17, 2018, 11:04:31 AM
Not getting this Sigurdson bashing that’s goin on. If we could defend properly and if our strikers didn’t miss glaring sitters the game would have been different.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on September 17, 2018, 01:07:24 PM
Not getting this Sigurdson bashing that’s goin on. If we could defend properly and if our strikers didn’t miss glaring sitters the game would have been different.

He’s a player of good moments. He’d be a good impact sub for anyone. Unfortunately we paid 45m for him and thought he was a playmaker

He’ll score 5 unbelievable goals this season and do very little else. We needed someone to help us control games. Truly horrible signing
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Bluedylan on September 17, 2018, 01:31:23 PM
Might not last the season

Jesus
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on September 17, 2018, 01:36:05 PM
Jesus

Oh here we go
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Bluedylan on September 17, 2018, 01:39:22 PM
Oh here we go

Yep, here we go. Awful performance. No defending that like. And overall, not a great start.

And yet first defeat, and you're already throwing this shout out. Amazing.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Macca77 on September 17, 2018, 02:18:42 PM
One defeat and people are already writing Silva off, need to give their heads a wobble. Yes we were shite yesterday, we will learn from it and improve.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Hawkandro on September 17, 2018, 02:21:01 PM
Not getting this Sigurdson bashing that’s goin on. If we could defend properly and if our strikers didn’t miss glaring sitters the game would have been different.

How do we think a midfield 3 of Gomes, McCarthy and Gylfi would look?
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on September 17, 2018, 02:43:41 PM
Yep, here we go. Awful performance. No defending that like. And overall, not a great start.

And yet first defeat, and you're already throwing this shout out. Amazing.


Absolutely disgusting start. Totally thrown away a great opportunity.

Awful performance yes, but frankly no new problems. Any surprise at that performance, or the individual issues? Not from me.

Not going to sit on here defending myself all week saying ‘no I don’t want him gone’ and reacting to people who reckon i’m ‘writing him off’ etc.

What I am saying is - if that shite continues, which it frankly might considering it’s not exactly a bolt out the blue is it, then he might not last the season.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Lazarou on September 17, 2018, 04:01:53 PM
Vs West Ham United

(https://i.imgur.com/WBJZ0qy.jpg)

Devoid of anything really and unable to change anything when needed. Nothing has changed much so far no matter who is a manager.


Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on September 17, 2018, 04:04:41 PM
Yes to be fair to silva - feels very much like we’re still watching Koeman’s everton because some of the main issues are still present.

With richarlison in the side that goes away a bit because he seems to be a superstar level attacker who can make something out of almost nothing, but the midfield, the Gylfi situation, the striker situation, the two centrebacks (any two?) - same old, same old.

One bright point has been digne, who looks a worthy successor to Baines.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on September 17, 2018, 04:35:22 PM
One defeat and people are already writing Silva off, need to give their heads a wobble. Yes we were shite yesterday, we will learn from it and improve.

6 points from 5 games against shite teams and dreadful defensively
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Shogun on September 17, 2018, 04:38:58 PM
Still got to give him a couple of transfer windows so we can get a team of Brands/Silva players.

At the moment we’re a Frankenstein of Youth/Martinez/Koeman and Allardyce players.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: sam of the south on September 17, 2018, 04:40:05 PM
How do we think a midfield 3 of Gomes, McCarthy and Gylfi would look?

Like two sicknotes and a square peg ;) 
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Hawkandro on September 17, 2018, 04:40:09 PM
Silva needs at least 2 or 3 windows to change the squad. Apart from Zouma, Digne and Bernard, this was the same team that struggled all of last season. Hopefully once we get Mina and Gomes fit they will help out with some issues, but the next window we need to address CM and up front. There is no point in sacking Silva this season, unless we are staring relegation in the face. We need to be patient and hold our nerve whilst they try to sort the mess they have been left.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Hawkandro on September 17, 2018, 04:40:25 PM
Like two sicknotes and a square peg ;) 

*if fit
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: sam of the south on September 17, 2018, 04:44:12 PM
*if fit

Sorry, bro, I was feeling juvenile.

If completely fit and firing you would probably think an improvement.

Although McCarthy is like a Gana/Schneiderlin hybrid: high energy presser with poor positional discipline like Gana, with the side-to-side passing of Schneiderlin.

Gomes looks like a good mobile ball-carrier.

Sigurdsson could be good as the #8, but I think he’s pretty wretched as a #10
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Ramjam on September 17, 2018, 04:59:00 PM
Still got to give him a couple of transfer windows so we can get a team of Brands/Silva players.

At the moment we're a Frankenstein of Youth/Martinez/Koeman and Allardyce players.
Some Of Moyes old guard in there as well
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Lxxx on September 17, 2018, 05:01:20 PM
A lot of people on here said last season that even if we signed no-one a halfway competent manager could take this squad to 7th. Well either these players are a lot worse than we imagined or the new managers ideas aren't really getting through/not working. I'd say a bit of both.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: sam of the south on September 17, 2018, 05:08:34 PM
A lot of people on here said last season that even if we signed no-one a halfway competent manager could take this squad to 7th. Well either these players are a lot worse than we imagined or the new managers ideas aren't really getting through/not working. I'd say a bit of both.

Well, if the squad isn’t filled with great players you would imagine it would also take a while to impart new information and styles to them, particularly when it is quite a departure from what they’ve been used to for the last few seasons.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: djws1788 on September 17, 2018, 05:09:29 PM
Only positives I could take from yesterday’s game were Bernard and no goals scored from a set piece
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: gizzblue on September 17, 2018, 05:18:40 PM
Ffs there is only 33 games left quick get fat Sam back .....sarcasm!

New manager first loss in six and peoples heads falling off already despite the absolute shite we all know we still have in the squad .


Great site lads ....even better supporters .
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Lxxx on September 17, 2018, 05:19:58 PM
Well, if the squad isn’t filled with great players you would imagine it would also take a while to impart new information and styles to them, particularly when it is quite a departure from what they’ve been used to for the last few seasons.

Fair point but three months is a pretty decent length of time to see evidence of a change in style/system/formation/intensity. We look wide open every game. In the only game we've won this season Southampton missed some decent chances to bag more than the one. We don't ever look like keeping a clean sheet and no fan would feel comfortable unless we were 3 or 4 up.

Of course it might be a hangover from Martinez/Koeman/Unsworth/Allardyce but we've changed the keeper/left back/centre half since then and nothing changes. In my view nothing will change until we sort out the weakest central area of the pitch in the league.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on September 17, 2018, 05:24:06 PM
We didn’t learn anything from Sunday we didn’t already know. Any comments should not be a reaction to losing that game because everything wrong with the side has been wrong with it for about two summers.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: sam of the south on September 17, 2018, 05:27:34 PM
Fair point but three months is a pretty decent length of time to see evidence of a change in style/system/formation/intensity. We look wide open every game. In the only game we've won this season Southampton missed some decent chances to bag more than the one. We don't ever look like keeping a clean sheet and no fan would feel comfortable unless we were 3 or 4 up.

Of course it might be a hangover from Martinez/Koeman/Unsworth/Allardyce but we've changed the keeper/left back/centre half since then and nothing changes. In my view nothing will change until we sort out the weakest central area of the pitch in the league.

Yes, that midfield is somewhere between moribund and powderpuff.

The only thing going for it is Gana’s interceptions.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Lxxx on September 17, 2018, 05:32:27 PM
We didn’t learn anything from Sunday we didn’t already know. Any comments should not be a reaction to losing that game because everything wrong with the side has been wrong with it for about two summers.

We've got to give it time though, apparently. Like four years isn't long enough to see the same old issues. If Silva was watching us for the 6 months he had off he must have had a plan for when he took over. I'm just seeing the same system throwing up the same way of playing and getting the same results.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: pjk on September 17, 2018, 05:38:45 PM
All the players Silva/Brands signed, have been more than promising. It's what we've been craving for. Digne is a really solid, quality left back and the early signs are, he's a fantastic replacement for Baines. You can see why Barcelona had him on the books. Richarlison maybe;  is going to turn out better than Lukaku, or somewhere in that area, as he's 21 atm and is about to come into his early peak. Bernard made me sit up and take notice everytime I've seen him play for Brazil and due to being out the way in Russia, has maybe stagnated his career a little, but I'm sure he will come good. Gomes, I know very little about, but once again, if Barcelona have him on the books! Then there's Mina, out since we bought him, ex barcelona and a buy back clause inserted. Shows they were unsure whether to let him go or not. Zouma is a decent loan. Three have played and impressed, up to a point, with Richarlison being the most impressive. Our defence is shipping goals due to absent defenders. It will ease. The disappointing thing is; we've missed an opportunity to pick up points against less than tough opposition. Suspended players and some newcomers are still to come. We just need our luck to change. The last two games have been abysmal, but their are reasons that can be pointed out, as to why.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Ross on September 17, 2018, 05:39:20 PM
I don’t buy this “Frankenstein” squad excuse. Apart from Arsenal which club doesn’t have squads made up of 3/4 different managers players?

Silva needs patience, there’s no other option whether you like/believe in him or not, but he’s got to start showing us a different side to his tactics because we’re far to open and he’s not got the luxury of us being ruthless up top to cancel that out.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Lxxx on September 17, 2018, 05:44:26 PM
Can we stop talking about bad luck.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: TheRam on September 17, 2018, 05:51:02 PM
We've got to give it time though, apparently. Like four years isn't long enough to see the same old issues. If Silva was watching us for the 6 months he had off he must have had a plan for when he took over. I'm just seeing the same system throwing up the same way of playing and getting the same results.

Are you suggesting we shouldn’t give him time here?

Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Cereal Killer on September 17, 2018, 06:02:32 PM
Generation now

Want everything instantly, massive tantrums when they don't get it

We aren't the first team to bring in a new manager, a bunch of new players, and not click straight away, and we won't be the last, on top of the fact we've had a long injury list, which most people are ignoring

6 games in, fucking cranks
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on September 17, 2018, 06:22:40 PM
Generation now

Want everything instantly, massive tantrums when they don't get it

We aren't the first team to bring in a new manager, a bunch of new players, and not click straight away, and we won't be the last, on top of the fact we've had a long injury list, which most people are ignoring

6 games in, fucking cranks

I’m sorry, but you’re wrong.

You’re seeing this as a knee jerk reaction to the first 5 games. It isn’t. Or it shouldn’t be anyway. Like I say, anyone surprised by that on Sunday hasn’t been paying attention.

He’s playing the hand he’s been dealt. Don’t think I’m 100% on exactly what he’s trying to do, but tbh you’d have to say looking at the summer - another chance missed.

We will be absolutely sound this year and come about 6th - 9th again, because we’ll have enough going forward that when people have bad games against us we can make enough happen.

But in terms of moving forward as a club, massive, massive opportunities wasted last couple of years and we’re still staring at blatantly obvious issues that we’ve been moaning about for what feels like a few years now.

Maybe Mina solves some, maybe Gomes solves some. Not sure either of them do, but obviously got my fingers crossed on both.

In the meantime silva shouldn’t be anywhere near getting sacked because we haven’t got anywhere near seeing his football I don’t think?

And clearly after 4 managers and identical performances it is clear that simply chopping and changing the man in the dug out isn’t the answer. We need to answer some of the questions surrounding our squad.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on September 17, 2018, 06:24:47 PM
Ffs there is only 33 games left quick get fat Sam back .....sarcasm!

New manager first loss in six and peoples heads falling off already despite the absolute shite we all know we still have in the squad .


Great site lads ....even better supporters .

We’d be bottom with no points under allardyce wouldn’t we
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: TheRam on September 17, 2018, 06:27:10 PM
We’d be bottom with no points under allardyce wouldn’t we

Mate, get to absolute fuck with the Allardyce stuff.

He had his chance here and blew it playing for draws against inferior opposition.

Bet you couldn't wait for things to start going wrong so you can mention his largeness you biff. 

Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Lxxx on September 17, 2018, 06:31:46 PM
Are you suggesting we shouldn’t give him time here?



Of course we should. One thing he will get is time, regardless of how we’re doing.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: TheRam on September 17, 2018, 06:39:41 PM
Of course we should. One thing he will get is time, regardless of how we’re doing.

That's how it should be. Unless things completely go fucked, we have to take these results as part of a learning curve for the manager and give him time to mould the team into one that can play how he wants to play.

I'm hoping we start to see him bin off the old guard like Tosun, Morgan, Sigurdsson, and show some faith in players like Bernard, Dowell, DCL (up front), as well as changing the system to the 433 he likes to play.

He's fell into the trap of coming into a new team, playing 4-2-3-1, keeping the same players from last season and it just doesn't suit the way he wants to play.

Be brave, stand by your convictions and allow yourself to be judged for who you really are. Instead of this pale imitation of a manager we've seen for the last two games churning out the same old shite we've seen for the last three years.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: cantoffee on September 17, 2018, 06:40:26 PM
Think almost no matter what we should be giving Silva the season at least. We've changed managers over and over with no result, we need to give him time to settle in and the squad as well.

Cant imagine we'll finish anywhere but 7th to 10th and that's fine for the first season as long as we see progress an identity of some sort.

Lots of work for him to do, it has been a poor start but not helped by 2 red cards and a quite frankly ridiculous amount of injuries for the start of the season. No excuse for not getting more out of the last two games but he has plenty of time and people need to chill.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: kramer0 on September 17, 2018, 06:53:51 PM
Things can only get so much better until we fix the midfield. Which we can’t really do with the players in the squad.

I’d play Davies and Dowell every week. Not because they’re good but because they actually have a chance of improving, unlike the more senior players who are just going to continue to be their crap selves.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on September 17, 2018, 06:58:28 PM
Things can only get so much better until we fix the midfield. Which we can’t really do with the players in the squad.

I’d play Davies and Dowell every week. Not because they’re good but because they actually have a chance of improving, unlike the more senior players who are just going to continue to be their crap selves.

I would 100% back this.

I guess put Gana in the 6 and just say if you leg about like a mad man we’re going to haul you off.

Same goes for Gylfi - try him in CM and say get the ball off Gana every time he wins it, or I’m going to haul you off the pitch the first time you hide. If he can’t do that then there isn’t a place for him and we should hope someone in China wants to buy him.

Literally nothing will change until we fix the midfield, it’s like watching the same side with *maybe* some better combinations when we manage to finally get it up into the final third.

We have a genuine problem when it comes to this kind of ball progression, and I guess we’re all hoping for Gomes to turn around the last few years of his career but I’m not banking on it.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Lxxx on September 17, 2018, 07:08:00 PM
That's how it should be. Unless things completely go fucked, we have to take these results as part of a learning curve for the manager and give him time to mould the team into one that can play how he wants to play.

I'm hoping we start to see him bin off the old guard like Tosun, Morgan, Sigurdsson, and show some faith in players like Bernard, Dowell, DCL (up front), as well as changing the system to the 433 he likes to play.

He's fell into the trap of coming into a new team, playing 4-2-3-1, keeping the same players from last season and it just doesn't suit the way he wants to play.

Be brave, stand by your convictions and allow yourself to be judged for who you really are. Instead of this pale imitation of a manager we've seen for the last two games churning out the same old shite we've seen for the last three years.

Yeh I'd agree with that, as things stand there's been no real difference from this season to last. My comment about time is that time itself won't solve anything unless you're implementing something different.

The gurning tramp across the park was getting slated in his first season for losing to lesser teams at home as they hadn't worked out how to break them down and were getting punished for conceding sloppily , but you could see they were progressing in the bigger picture. Granted it's only 6 games in and he'll get time but he'll not get a great deal of patience at Goodison if he continues with the same old tired system and performances.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on September 17, 2018, 07:57:49 PM
Mate, get to absolute fuck with the Allardyce stuff.

He had his chance here and blew it playing for draws against inferior opposition.

Bet you couldn't wait for things to start going wrong so you can mention his largeness you biff. 




Its not a defence of allardyce. I’m merely taking the piss out of the folk who came on here after poor results and insisted they were much better than the last manager would have got

The person I quoted claimed we’d definitely would have lost to Huddersfield under him. A game he actually won last season
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: TheRam on September 17, 2018, 08:03:55 PM

Its not a defence of allardyce. I’m merely taking the piss out of the folk who came on here after poor results and insisted they were much better than the last manager would have got

The person I quoted claimed we’d definitely would have lost to Huddersfield under him. A game he actually won last season

We going to get this from you everytime we have a poor result?



Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on September 17, 2018, 08:35:43 PM
We going to get this from you everytime we have a poor result?





It’s not about our shit results it’s about the pretence this has been better. The last 3 performances have been dreadful. All I’m saying is people shouldn’t rewrite history and pretend this has been so far any better. It’s actually been worse
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on September 17, 2018, 08:37:48 PM
We going to get this from you everytime we have a poor result?





But no you’re absolutely not. Well unless every shit result is excused with we would have done worse last season/ we finished 8th last season/ the new manager should be judged against that
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: gizzblue on September 17, 2018, 08:45:36 PM
Mate, get to absolute fuck with the Allardyce stuff.

He had his chance here and blew it playing for draws against inferior opposition.

Bet you couldn't wait for things to start going wrong so you can mention his largeness you biff.

Fuck off making posts I agree with will you.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on September 17, 2018, 08:49:26 PM
Fuck off making posts I agree with will you.  :thumbsup:

Your the lunatic who insisted there was absolutely no chance he’d of got us a draw against Huddersfield. You’d think we got about 4 points last season they way you compare
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: TheRam on September 17, 2018, 08:49:28 PM
But no you’re absolutely not. Well unless every shit result is excused with we would have done worse last season/ we finished 8th last season/ the new manager should be judged against that

About one person has said that so turn it in now.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: gizzblue on September 17, 2018, 08:49:45 PM

Its not a defence of allardyce. I’m merely taking the piss out of the folk who came on here after poor results and insisted they were much better than the last manager would have got

The person I quoted claimed we’d definitely would have lost to Huddersfield under him. A game he actually won last season

Your wrong about huddersfield ...I actually said I saw us lose the same type of game countless times last year ....which we did .
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on September 17, 2018, 09:01:51 PM
About one person has said that so turn it in now.


It was pretty universal that we’ve had some sort of good start (before yesterday) the last 3 performances have been dreadful. We can’t defend set pieces now and we only look remotely capable in attack when our big new signing plays: all I’m suggesting is that people be honest about the start compared to last seasons dreadful performances. At best it’s equally shit. Not sure why I’m not allowed to say that
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: TheRam on September 17, 2018, 09:24:46 PM
It was pretty universal that we’ve had some sort of good start (before yesterday) the last 3 performances have been dreadful. We can’t defend set pieces now and we only look remotely capable in attack when our big new signing plays: all I’m suggesting is that people be honest about the start compared to last seasons dreadful performances. At best it’s equally shit. Not sure why I’m not allowed to say that

Read the fucking forum, everyone is saying the same.

Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Gash on September 17, 2018, 09:25:31 PM
It was pretty universal that we’ve had some sort of good start (before yesterday)

No it wasn't.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Martip on September 17, 2018, 09:30:24 PM
It is a bit worrying really all things considered and my early season optimism is waning based on the crap we 've been served up recently.
Goalkeeper-average
Defence-piss poor.  Really hope mina is a worldy
Midfield-awful and so easy to get through  while not creating much.
Forwards- up there with the least effective in the prem for me....dcl, Tosun,niasse. Bloody hell ....dire.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Lxxx on September 17, 2018, 09:37:30 PM
Gonna take balls and time to sort this out. Balls to drop Tosun and Schneiderlin (and give Sig a rocket too) and time to get players in who are better. Until then serving up more of the same will only get the fans on his back and the players heads to go down, making the whole thing a lot more difficult than it needs to be.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Dr. Sponge on September 17, 2018, 09:46:20 PM
A catalogue of errors yesterday really.

1st goal - Zouma tried to step up and play offside, when he should have already been aware that it wasn’t possible and just tracked Arnautovic’s run.

2nd goal - Pickford giving the ball away and 2 defenders letting Yarmalenko shoot with his left foot in the box.

3rd goal - I get that we were pushing for the equaliser, but tactically to leave that much space in the midfield was criminal. So either Silva has to take responsibility there, or Gueye as the DM needs to look at his positioning.

The finishing - absolutely dreadful from Tosun and Niasse. Poor game from Walcott too.

Silva needs to be all over this in training.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Jimmywhack on September 17, 2018, 10:09:15 PM
3rd Goal Holgate got spun way too easy
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Bluedylan on September 17, 2018, 10:37:18 PM
Absolutely disgusting start. Totally thrown away a great opportunity.

Awful performance yes, but frankly no new problems. Any surprise at that performance, or the individual issues? Not from me.

Not going to sit on here defending myself all week saying ‘no I don’t want him gone’ and reacting to people who reckon i’m ‘writing him off’ etc.

What I am saying is - if that shite continues, which it frankly might considering it’s not exactly a bolt out the blue is it, then he might not last the season.

D'you not think you're being a bit premature and frankly, unstable, at times?

You're the first one I've seen put out the 'might not last the season' shout. So yeah, people will react to that. You did say it, and it is fucking ridiculous.

Then people comment in response, and you dial it back to 'Silva shouldn't be anywhere near getting sacked' a few comments later.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Lxxx on September 17, 2018, 10:39:15 PM
All three goals were goals a top 6 team doesn't concede. Really basic defending, both individually and collectively. I get that Holgate wouldn't be playing ordinarily and that Pickford makes a howler but it's the same every week. The concentration levels and decision making of these players is, and has been for a long time, really poor.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Bluedylan on September 17, 2018, 10:42:55 PM
The midfield is garbage. We all know it. They don't protect the defence adequately, they don't supply the attack adequately and they don't control games when we need them to.

On paper, you could see why an incoming manager wouldn't think it was the biggest priority in the squad. Gana probably has some of the best defensive stats around, Schneiderlin's passing stats are good, Gylfi's generally well rated as a no. 10, and then you have kids pushing for a place in Davies and Dowell.

So you can see why a manager would think 'I can work with that, I'll try to address the awful defence and buy some more attacking options as an initial priority'.

But yeah, the midfield doesn't work, and never will with these players. And they're not bad players, any of them. The balance doesn't work, and they don't compliment each other at all.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Lxxx on September 17, 2018, 10:59:55 PM
The midfield is garbage. We all know it. They don't protect the defence adequately, they don't supply the attack adequately and they don't control games when we need them to.

On paper, you could see why an incoming manager wouldn't think it was the biggest priority in the squad. Gana probably has some of the best defensive stats around, Schneiderlin's passing stats are good, Gylfi's generally well rated as a no. 10, and then you have kids pushing for a place in Davies and Dowell.

So you can see why a manager would think 'I can work with that, I'll try to address the awful defence and buy some more attacking options as an initial priority'.

But yeah, the midfield doesn't work, and never will with these players. And they're not bad players, any of them. The balance doesn't work, and they don't compliment each other at all.

If we'd got a new manager in from abroad who hadn't had chance to watch a lot of our play last season I could see that might be a valid argument but Silva had about 6 months to see what everyone else has been seeing for the past 18 months and we still set up the same way.

I get that budget-wise we might have identified more pressing areas as we can't address it all at once but to still have the same midfield three, lining up in the same positions, delivering the same outcome warrants question. Maybe he thought he could get more out of them, I don't know, but it's clearly the biggest issue in the side at the moment.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Bluedylan on September 17, 2018, 11:32:25 PM
If we'd got a new manager in from abroad who hadn't had chance to watch a lot of our play last season I could see that might be a valid argument but Silva had about 6 months to see what everyone else has been seeing for the past 18 months and we still set up the same way.

I get that budget-wise we might have identified more pressing areas as we can't address it all at once but to still have the same midfield three, lining up in the same positions, delivering the same outcome warrants question. Maybe he thought he could get more out of them, I don't know, but it's clearly the biggest issue in the side at the moment.

Yeah it’s fair to ask the questions, I think.

I suppose i’d say there were so many issues that needed addressing that, where do you start, and how much can you do in one window?

The left back was a massive priority, the centre backs were a massive priority, better wide players were a priority, centre mid was a priority, striker’s a priority.

They probably thought midfield could cope for now and added Gomes to help.

But yeah, it’s not coping and it’s not working.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on September 17, 2018, 11:52:18 PM
D'you not think you're being a bit premature and frankly, unstable, at times?

You're the first one I've seen put out the 'might not last the season' shout. So yeah, people will react to that. You did say it, and it is fucking ridiculous.

Then people comment in response, and you dial it back to 'Silva shouldn't be anywhere near getting sacked' a few comments later.


No,not really. I know you like your ‘voice of reason’ shtick but I do think you totally mistake my ‘this is shit, we are going to be shit for a long time’ as ‘the sky is falling in’

The statement that he might not last the season is absolutely not ridiculous, managers get sacked all the time?

It is also not mutually exclusive with my feeling that he *shouldn’t* be anywhere near getting sacked.

In my personal opinion - he’s playing the hand he’s been dealt, a hand that he and Brands both get a pass on this year imo, but he needs to find a way around the issues we are watching every week, or the question will be asked.

I think your belief that it is ridiculous that he doesn’t last the season is more ridiculous, and a bit naive to be honest.

anyway, I think we’ll see him dropping into 3 CM’s and playing on the break soon which should see us improve and leaving less space in behind.

The only time we’ve looked passable is when we’ve done this in fits and starts, maybe it’s been the case that the fixtures have lead to him to try and dominate the games when unfortunately we don’t have the side for it.

Edit : just had a look, this form would get us about 45 points which would be about 10th. Think he’d probably survive that actually but would be quite a difficult year to swallow after the last couple of windows.

I’d be fine with him surviving that as well as long as we looked like there was a plan in place and we were moving forwards towards it. If it was just dice rolls in every game then yeah I’d say look for someone with a more sustainable plan.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Lxxx on September 18, 2018, 12:36:31 AM
He isn't getting the bullet this season, even if we're somehow in the bottom three. Moshiri has to stand by his decisions now and Silva is his man. Not that I have any great confidence Moshiri knows a good manager from a bad one but it's his choice so cards are on the table. This season was a line in the sand, a reset.

I'm personally not sold that Silva is the obvious answer you'd go for if you were a billionaire with lots of money at your disposal but we are where we are and I hope he's a success.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Dr. Sponge on September 18, 2018, 12:43:12 AM
Hard to be too critical on the management team when the two positions that let us down yesterday were the two not yet addressed, as we needed almost a full overhaul of the team in the summer. Something not possible in one transfer window. Those positions being - strikers, not enough quality. Midfield, feeble.

The centre halves were bad too, but we have 3 of those injured at the moment.

Richarlison suspended and Walcott had an off day.

Digne showed plenty of promise, and I thought Kenny didn’t do too badly, he was certainly impressive with his crossing.

So a shitstorm of a result, but in the bigger picture we’ve still made progress on the quality of the squad. Just need them all fit and eligible now.

Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: eugene on September 18, 2018, 12:54:24 AM
Right let’s see where we are when our new signings are up to speed, I believe the team has relied on Riche for that spark and guile.
The defence has taken a knock with jags plodding then Baines taking a knock not to mention keanes injury and now Colman.
Our injury’s just go on...
Let’s hope this is resolved sooner rather than later but in the meantime let’s get behind the lads it can’t get worse I’m convinced about that COYB
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on September 19, 2018, 02:11:37 AM
SO what’s next for silva at Everton?


Silva’s tactics at Watford deconstructed:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AeomHPQz5ko

I wonder if he’ll start moving towards this? The worrying thing I suppose is that we don’t really have any of those midfielder types at the moment, or do we?

Potentially throws up the likelihood that we end up lashing £50m at Watford for Doucore or maybe even Chalobah. I quite like both players - Doucore selling me this year, he’s looked really good I think.

Our CM options are :

McCarthy
Gueye
Schneiderlin
Davies
Dowell
Sigurdsson*

Best passing range to switch it is probably Schneiderlin, Dowell*, Mccarthy in that order.

Best legs to get up and down are probably Gueye, MCarthy, Davies in that order.

Best to contribute to goals and assists from CM are probably Sigurdsson*, Dowell*, Davies in that order.

Best sitting and breaking up would be Gueye, McCarth, Schneiderlin in no particular order because they’ve all had outstanding seasons as pure destroyers, admittedly that’s across like 8 years.

*we reckon, total exposition however.

NB: McCarthy can maybe be discarded because he’s absolutely finito, but still.

Would like to see a look into how they created chances, cause I can’t really remember, but I’d guess it’s get it to richarlison and get him firing!
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Glory on September 19, 2018, 07:14:47 AM
We're not a fucking top 6 team. Who in their right mind thought we were going to be?

This is a project. People need to get a grip and adjust their expectations.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Bluedylan on September 19, 2018, 07:49:23 AM
We're not a fucking top 6 team. Who in their right mind thought we were going to be?

This is a project. People need to get a grip and adjust their expectations.

I agree with that. I suppose if we'd hit the ground running, and got 12-15 points so far (which we could've), people might've thought we could push Arsenal or maybe Utd, if they had a bad season. But yeah, the squad's still got too many issues to realistically hope for that. We could do with an entirely new midfield and probably a better striker long term. They're massive issues, whatever what we look at it.

We're bringing the baggage of Martinez, Koeman and Allardyce to the situation as fans as well, and tbh, we're a little bit traumatised as a fanbase, after the last few seasons. We've got the football equivalent of PTSD (not to trivialise PTSD, just making a point).

Also, we don't like to admit it, but it hurts more and is infinitely harder, when the other lot across the park are winning every game, smashing some teams, spawning it against some teams, but constantly winning.

In terms of the manager, I think we have to be patient and not bring too much of the baggage to the way we view him (which isn't easy, I know). For example, we have to remember that Klopp took over in October and finished 8th in his first season in the Prem. There needs to be a bit of calmness and perspective. He's trying to put in place his ideas, and that's difficult when some players clearly aren't capable of that, and need replacing.

Should he go away from his method, because some of the players aren't good enough? I would say, no. Stick with the method, make the best of what we have at the moment, and look to address the weak areas ASAP. Not to keep bringing them up, but Klopp stuck with his method, and eventually bought players who could do what he needed to do in that system, and their results improved.

It's really hard to be an Everton fan like, I do think that, and in many ways, for many years, it's been akin to psychological torture.


Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on September 19, 2018, 09:18:44 AM
All true but you don't need top draw players to avoid acres of space for the opposition to exploit at their leisure, along with the obvious stuff at the back, set piece defence, marking, positioning etc, they need a plan, it's been so long since we looked like we had one. We gifted 3 points to West Ham that has to stop with the players we have.
   Losing is part of the game but giving points away shouldn't be, we'll see next game if they've been working hard at it  this week on the obvious stuff, and we hopefully see soon a plan emerging to stop being so generous to the opposition.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Dr. Sponge on September 19, 2018, 11:23:23 AM
Gueye as an advancing DM really grates on me. Have you ever seen him give a through ball or test the keeper? No quality in the opponents half.

And as a sitting DM he is poor positionally, leaving gaps. Say what you want about Schneiderlin, he’s always in the danger hole.

He can be a useful player and I respect his strengths, but in my opinion, Gueye shouldn’t play in this formation. It should be one DM holding and another capable of progressing. A player like Gueye is more suited to a defensive team that counters with quick forwards.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Ramjam on September 19, 2018, 11:30:23 AM
I’d argue that Gueye works his bollocks off for the full 90 closing the gaps, putting pressure on the ball carrier and winning it back for us while Schniderlin strolls around not bothering to track back and shows a lack of conviction in his general play.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on September 19, 2018, 02:19:10 PM
We're not a fucking top 6 team. Who in their right mind thought we were going to be?

This is a project. People need to get a grip and adjust their expectations.

Who thought we would be?

A million miles away.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Macca77 on September 19, 2018, 02:28:54 PM
I agree with that. I suppose if we'd hit the ground running, and got 12-15 points so far (which we could've), people might've thought we could push Arsenal or maybe Utd, if they had a bad season. But yeah, the squad's still got too many issues to realistically hope for that. We could do with an entirely new midfield and probably a better striker long term. They're massive issues, whatever what we look at it.

We're bringing the baggage of Martinez, Koeman and Allardyce to the situation as fans as well, and tbh, we're a little bit traumatised as a fanbase, after the last few seasons. We've got the football equivalent of PTSD (not to trivialise PTSD, just making a point).

Also, we don't like to admit it, but it hurts more and is infinitely harder, when the other lot across the park are winning every game, smashing some teams, spawning it against some teams, but constantly winning.

In terms of the manager, I think we have to be patient and not bring too much of the baggage to the way we view him (which isn't easy, I know). For example, we have to remember that Klopp took over in October and finished 8th in his first season in the Prem. There needs to be a bit of calmness and perspective. He's trying to put in place his ideas, and that's difficult when some players clearly aren't capable of that, and need replacing.

Should he go away from his method, because some of the players aren't good enough? I would say, no. Stick with the method, make the best of what we have at the moment, and look to address the weak areas ASAP. Not to keep bringing them up, but Klopp stuck with his method, and eventually bought players who could do what he needed to do in that system, and their results improved.

It's really hard to be an Everton fan like, I do think that, and in many ways, for many years, it's been akin to psychological torture.




Spot on, the problem is, a lot of us Evertonian's have have no patience whatsoever, its actually embarrassing. Things won't improve overnight, it's gonna take a year or maybe 2 to sort the problems on the pitch out, so instead of the constant moaning and doom and gloom, get behind the manager and his ideas.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Bluedylan on September 19, 2018, 02:39:15 PM
Spot on, the problem is, a lot of us Evertonian's have have no patience whatsoever, its actually embarrassing. Things won't improve overnight, it's gonna take a year or maybe 2 to sort the problems on the pitch out, so instead of the constant moaning and doom and gloom, get behind the manager and his ideas.

That's it mate. Some of my mates who support other clubs don't really get our fanbase. They don't get why we're so angry and impatient, and how quickly we can turn on players or managers. I explain to them that it's a combination of severe disappointment over 2/3 decades, combined with the expectations of a big club, and growing up hearing about our glory days, but never actually experiencing them (for people in their mid thirties and younger, anyway).

If, one day, and it's a big if, we can actually harness all of that weight of emotion behind us, we'll be a force. People are dying to have something to get behind.

We can ask for patience, but it won't come. The only way we're going to get behind the team and the club properly is if there's something on the pitch to get behind. And that's up to Silva and Brands ultimately. It's not ideal, but that's the situation we're in as a club.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Lxxx on September 19, 2018, 03:25:28 PM
We're not a fucking top 6 team. Who in their right mind thought we were going to be?

This is a project. People need to get a grip and adjust their expectations.

No-one thought that. Your rant is more for yourself it seems.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on September 19, 2018, 03:25:33 PM
Don’t think any of this fluff is relevant for this thread and you should move it to the one about support.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: TheRam on September 19, 2018, 03:35:18 PM
We're not a fucking top 6 team. Who in their right mind thought we were going to be?

This is a project. People need to get a grip and adjust their expectations.

Didn’t see anybody expecting us to be a top six team this season.

I think we all have reasonable expectations, but even those might have to be lowered.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on September 19, 2018, 03:45:09 PM
Didn’t see anybody expecting us to be a top six team this season.

I think we all have reasonable expectations, but even those might have to be lowered.

Nobody did, maybe some dangerously deluded loons.

This is just ‘you are all not positive enough like me because I am a gr8 fan’ fluff.

This is a tactics thread not a ‘ffs stop talking about tactics & get behind our brave boys’ thread.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Glory on September 19, 2018, 04:57:03 PM
My comment wasn't about people expecting us to finish top 6, it was about people expecting us to play like a top 6 side.

6 competitive games in, after fours seasons effectively in the wilderness, and our fanbase are already moaning about zonal marking, shit players, possibility of the manager not seeing the season out.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: TheRam on September 19, 2018, 05:03:42 PM
My comment wasn't about people expecting us to finish top 6, it was about people expecting us to play like a top 6 side.

6 competitive games in, after fours seasons effectively in the wilderness, and our fanbase are already moaning about zonal marking, shit players, possibility of the manager not seeing the season out.

No.

We’re trying to deconstruct why we’ve failed to beat West Ham and Huddersfield at home and how Silva can try and rectify what have been two very worrying and poor performances.

What do you want us to do? Just completely ignore the last two results and pretend everything is ok and results will come?
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Bluedylan on September 19, 2018, 05:04:15 PM
Nobody did, maybe some dangerously deluded loons.

This is just ‘you are all not positive enough like me because I am a gr8 fan’ fluff.

This is a tactics thread not a ‘ffs stop talking about tactics & get behind our brave boys’ thread.

Thought it was just a catch-all thread about the manager (including tactics) tbh. Perfectly reasonable for people to talk about the fans relationship with/expectations of the manager.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Glory on September 19, 2018, 05:46:47 PM
No.

We’re trying to deconstruct why we’ve failed to beat West Ham and Huddersfield at home and how Silva can try and rectify what have been two very worrying and poor performances.

What do you want us to do? Just completely ignore the last two results and pretend everything is ok and results will come?
How about analysing it with some context?
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: TheRam on September 19, 2018, 05:51:00 PM
How about analysing it with some context?

That’s what people are doing.

Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on September 19, 2018, 05:54:20 PM
How about analysing it with some context?

And you think ‘we’re not a top 6 side’ Is that do you
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Escla on September 19, 2018, 05:55:34 PM
My comment wasn't about people expecting us to finish top 6, it was about people expecting us to play like a top 6 side.

6 competitive games in, after fours seasons effectively in the wilderness, and our fanbase are already moaning about zonal marking, shit players, possibility of the manager not seeing the season out.

Don’t think I have seen or heard of anyone anywhere suggesting Silva will not see the season out.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on September 19, 2018, 05:56:10 PM
Do t think I have seen or heard of anyone anywhere suggesting Silva will not see the season out.

I said he might not, to be fair.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Glory on September 19, 2018, 05:58:14 PM
And you think ‘we’re not a top 6 side’ Is that do you
Do I think we're a top 6 side this season? Of corse I don't. Nor am I expectig us to play like one after 4 months with a new manager who has inherited an appaling squad.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Glory on September 19, 2018, 06:00:01 PM
That’s what people are doing.
If that's your opinion then fair enough. My opinion is that a lot of the last few pages hasn't been.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Escla on September 19, 2018, 06:03:56 PM
I said he might not, to be fair.

I was reffering to what Glory said.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on September 19, 2018, 06:05:06 PM
Thought it was just a catch-all thread about the manager (including tactics) tbh. Perfectly reasonable for people to talk about the fans relationship with/expectations of the manager.


Looks more like you’re talking about the fans relationships with other fans to me.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on September 19, 2018, 06:06:16 PM
I was reffering to what Glory said.

Me too sorry, I literally posted ‘he might not last the season’ after West Ham.

A few have took this to mean I think he should go or whatever, glory might be talking about me there.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: TheRam on September 19, 2018, 06:09:46 PM
If that's your opinion then fair enough. My opinion is that a lot of the last few pages hasn't been.

I think if anyone is guilty of removing context here it’s yourself.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Glory on September 19, 2018, 06:27:08 PM
I think if anyone is guilty of removing context here it’s yourself.
Because I dare to say that 6 games is not enough before people start jumping on results and performances?
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Lxxx on September 19, 2018, 06:31:25 PM
As fans, on a fan’s forum, if we’re not analysing the previous weeks game and talking about results, tactics, players, manager, style etc... then what's the point of being on here.

We can appreciate the current situation knowing we need to give it time and still critically appraise where we’re at and the journey we’re on.

Think some people need to reign it in.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: TheRam on September 19, 2018, 06:32:59 PM
Because I dare to say that 6 games is not enough before people start jumping on results and performances?

No one is jumping on anything.

Again, the context here has been lost by yourself.

Two poor performances and people will question various things about shape, individual performances, team selection, tactics etc.

If you call that jumping on things, or thinking we all expect us to be a top six side then that's your prerogative.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Bluedylan on September 19, 2018, 06:34:56 PM
Me too sorry, I literally posted ‘he might not last the season’ after West Ham.

A few have took this to mean I think he should go or whatever, glory might be talking about me there.

Just to clarify I didn't take it as 'you think he should go'.

Just thought it was a bit silly to even mention it, personally, after the first defeat. But you're entitled to your opinion, obviously.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: TheRam on September 19, 2018, 06:36:25 PM
Just to clarify I didn't take it as 'you think he should go'.

Just thought it was a bit silly to even mention it, personally, after the first defeat. But you're entitled to your opinion, obviously.

In the current climate though it really isn't that much of a mad shout.

Take a hiding at Arsenal and the daggers from the media will already be out.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Bluedylan on September 19, 2018, 06:40:11 PM
In the current climate though it really isn't that much of a mad shout.

Take a hiding at Arsenal and the daggers from the media will already be out.

Don't we need to push against 'the current climate' though, and try to be a bit longer term? One of our main problems has been constant upheaval and instability.

The last time we've had relative success has been under the stability of Moyes, and then in Martinez's first season, built on Moyes' foundations.

I'm not saying brap wants him sacked, or is advocating anything like that, but I don't see what even suggesting he might not last the season, based on one defeat could possibly contribute, other than to stress people out.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on September 19, 2018, 06:46:55 PM
Just to clarify I didn't take it as 'you think he should go'.

Just thought it was a bit silly to even mention it, personally, after the first defeat. But you're entitled to your opinion, obviously.

Not sure I am actually based on how you’ve been responding to my posts lately.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Bluedylan on September 19, 2018, 06:52:08 PM
Not sure I am actually based on how you’ve been responding to my posts lately.

Course you are. And if I disagree, I hope you don't mind me saying. That's all it is. Me disagreeing. Nothing personal.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Bluenose 91 on September 19, 2018, 06:53:22 PM
Touchy on here lately isn't it  lolol
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Gash on September 19, 2018, 06:56:22 PM
In the current climate though it really isn't that much of a mad shout.

Take a hiding at Arsenal and the daggers from the media will already be out.

Nah, it's a mad shout. Players suspended and injured, team still gelling, we're bound to have bad performances until we get a more settled team playing the way Silva wants us to. Even Moshiri being a bit mental at times knows we can't just keep chasing managers then sacking them as soon as things get a bit ropey, not that they are at the moment anyway.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: kramer0 on September 19, 2018, 06:58:18 PM
I wish Silva would be a little cagier tactically.

We've done a better job of controlling matches down a man this season. Sitting a little deeper makes us harder to exploit through the middle and we'll always carry a threat because our wingers are so good in space.

Obviously, this sort of thing won't work every match (Huddersfield at home, for instance) but I think we'd see better performances if we were less aggressive at trying to pressure the ball in our opponent's third. We're not built to play so aggressively, especially our midfield.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on September 19, 2018, 07:00:28 PM
Nah, it's a mad shout. Players suspended and injured, team still gelling, we're bound to have bad performances until we get a more settled team playing the way Silva wants us to. Even Moshiri being a bit mental at times knows we can't just keep chasing managers then sacking them as soon as things get a bit ropey, not that they are at the moment anyway.

He didn’t last in the immediate previous season, and yet it’s a mad shout that may not last this.

Wouldn’t have been a mad shout if I’d said it before a ball had been kicked to be honest.

What is the average life span of a mid table prem manager these days? 1.5 seasons maybe?
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Bluenose 91 on September 19, 2018, 07:13:50 PM
I wish Silva would be a little cagier tactically.

We've done a better job of controlling matches down a man this season. Sitting a little deeper makes us harder to exploit through the middle and we'll always carry a threat because our wingers are so good in space.

Obviously, this sort of thing won't work every match (Huddersfield at home, for instance) but I think we'd see better performances if we were less aggressive at trying to pressure the ball in our opponent's third. We're not built to play so aggressively, especially our midfield.

Agree with this.

Go a little bit more conservative until he gets more of the players in who can play the style he wants to a good level.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Bluedylan on September 19, 2018, 07:16:04 PM
Agree with this.

Go a little bit more conservative until he gets more of the players in who can play the style he wants to a good level.

Arsenal game should be a decent chance to go more solid, and try to play on the break.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Bluenose 91 on September 19, 2018, 07:16:59 PM
Arsenal game should be a decent chance to go more solid, and try to play on the break.

Yeah I'd hope so.

It's possible to play tighter whilst still aiming to come away with a win.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Lxxx on September 19, 2018, 09:09:00 PM
I think he’s just guilty of being a little naive so far. He’s tried to play the way he’d like to (and the way Evertonians like to see us play) and he’s been caught out trying to do it mainly with players who can’t deliver it.

I think he needs to play the cards he’s been dealt a little more and wait until he gets a full set before going ahead with what I presume is his preferred plan.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Dr. Sponge on September 19, 2018, 09:30:38 PM
I'd argue that Gueye works his bollocks off for the full 90 closing the gaps, putting pressure on the ball carrier and winning it back for us while Schniderlin strolls around not bothering to track back and shows a lack of conviction in his general play.

OK, but if we play with one defensive midfielder he needs to hold his position, and Gueye doesn’t do that. Forget about everything else, their midfielder would get a free run at our defence all game.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Gash on September 19, 2018, 09:38:58 PM
He didn’t last in the immediate previous season, and yet it’s a mad shout that may not last this.

Wouldn’t have been a mad shout if I’d said it before a ball had been kicked to be honest.

What is the average life span of a mid table prem manager these days? 1.5 seasons maybe?


Chances are he'd still be there if we hadn't gone after him or at least seen the season out but Watford aren't exactly reknowned for sticking by their managers anyway.

But your not basing it on the average Premier League manager's life span, you're basing it on a couple of poor performances with 10-12 players currently not available for one reason or another.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: TheTone on September 19, 2018, 09:50:02 PM
I think he’s just guilty of being a little naive so far. He’s tried to play the way he’d like to (and the way Evertonians like to see us play) and he’s been caught out trying to do it mainly with players who can’t deliver it.

I think he needs to play the cards he’s been dealt a little more and wait until he gets a full set before going ahead with what I presume is his preferred plan.

still a few jokers amongst the pack like
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Mac934 on September 19, 2018, 10:01:23 PM
I think he’s just guilty of being a little naive so far. He’s tried to play the way he’d like to (and the way Evertonians like to see us play) and he’s been caught out trying to do it mainly with players who can’t deliver it.

I think he needs to play the cards he’s been dealt a little more and wait until he gets a full set before going ahead with what I presume is his preferred plan.
You mean like Sam did. He even said it himself. He played to what he had available. Not saying I wanted him, but he did what he had to. You can't soar like an eagle when your stuck with turkeys.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on September 19, 2018, 10:11:36 PM
Chances are he'd still be there if we hadn't gone after him or at least seen the season out but Watford aren't exactly reknowned for sticking by their managers anyway.

But your not basing it on the average Premier League manager's life span, you're basing it on a couple of poor performances with 10-12 players currently not available for one reason or another.

What’s the difference exactly? For one reason or another, managers don’t last in this league very long and Marco is a good example of that. It’s not mad to suggest almost any manager not last the season.

Yes, the fact he was handed a very easy start to the season and we’ve blubbed it make it more likely.

Yes, the fact existing complaints about his management style - concedes a lot, doesn’t keep clean sheets, cut open on the break a lot, xg/xgc balance not great, poor at organising defence against set pieces, lots of red cards, is quite a big ‘gambler’ in terms of pushing men forward regardless of in game context - have already been present make it clearer he’s not the magic answer to our problems also make it more likely to happen.

Yes, losing games at home make it more likely also. Particularly with a score like 3-1, even more so when it’s against pointless bottom of the league West Ham.

I want him to succeed, but no frankly I wouldn’t be surprised if he doesn’t. None of the other 4 or so since Moyes have, have they.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Ell Capitan on September 19, 2018, 10:40:37 PM
Don’t think I have seen or heard of anyone anywhere suggesting Silva will not see the season out.

Hardly beyond the realms of possibility, given his track record.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: D15TIN on September 19, 2018, 11:08:27 PM
I think he’s just guilty of being a little naive so far. He’s tried to play the way he’d like to (and the way Evertonians like to see us play) and he’s been caught out trying to do it mainly with players who can’t deliver it.

I think he needs to play the cards he’s been dealt a little more and wait until he gets a full set before going ahead with what I presume is his preferred plan.
This is what ive thought so far
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Escla on September 20, 2018, 01:23:24 AM
Hardly beyond the realms of possibility, given his track record.
Who said it wasn’t ?
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on September 24, 2018, 06:25:23 AM
I actually feel more positive after that than I did after West Ham. Find it odd to see people reacting quite badly to the loss as though it wasn’t always coming - there is a bigger gulf in class on the pitch between us and the top six than there has been for quite some time.

Hoping for a win today was realistically just hoping for a bit of a miracle like arsenal have a bad day or we take all our chances and bury everything etc.

We looked positive and most of the players can be relatively pleased with how they played.

It was a bit like Joshua Povetkin actually. We worked hard and game then problems, but when they did step up a gear they cut through us, and it ended up a bit of a regulation win for them to be honest, but that’s just down to the difference in quality and we are some way off addressing that (2, 3 windows?).

Edit: just realised I didn’t really make my point - the game plan was OK. A little bit of a shootout (go toe to toe and either luck or quality prevails) and when we do that against Liverpool we unfortunately are going to get absolutely mullered...but fuck it I don’t mind that tactic too much because you might get a result with the right luck, and you can (in theory) eventually solve the quality problem to give yourself more and more chance to win those games.

If you lose because you set up terribly or you don’t have a plan then that would be a problem. Not saying it doesn’t tell us something about silva but imo I’ve got a bit of credit on the bank for results like that.

West Ham at home, not so much.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: bluenuck on September 24, 2018, 07:50:53 AM
I actually feel more positive after that than I did after West Ham. Find it odd to see people reacting quite badly to the loss as though it wasn’t always coming - there is a bigger gulf in class on the pitch between us and the top six than there has been for quite some time.

Hoping for a win today was realistically just hoping for a bit of a miracle like arsenal have a bad day or we take all our chances and bury everything etc.

We looked positive and most of the players can be relatively pleased with how they played.

It was a bit like Joshua Povetkin actually. We worked hard and game then problems, but when they did step up a gear they cut through us, and it ended up a bit of a regulation win for them to be honest, but that’s just down to the difference in quality and we are some way off addressing that (2, 3 windows?).

Edit: just realised I didn’t really make my point - the game plan was OK. A little bit of a shootout (go toe to toe and either luck or quality prevails) and when we do that against Liverpool we unfortunately are going to get absolutely mullered...but fuck it I don’t mind that tactic too much because you might get a result with the right luck, and you can (in theory) eventually solve the quality problem to give yourself more and more chance to win those games.

If you lose because you set up terribly or you don’t have a plan then that would be a problem. Not saying it doesn’t tell us something about silva but imo I’ve got a bit of credit on the bank for results like that.

West Ham at home, not so much.

Why do i get the feeling after Fulham next weekend it's going to feel like West Ham last weekend??

Some glaring weakness will rear it's ugly head in pretty much every game. We're just not very good.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on September 24, 2018, 01:37:07 PM
Why do i get the feeling after Fulham next weekend it's going to feel like West Ham last weekend??

Some glaring weakness will rear it's ugly head in pretty much every game. We're just not very good.

Fulham unlikely to come and park the bus to be fair - they seem to try and turn up and play regardless of opposition which means Richarlison and the lads will have a bit of space, which is where we look dangerous.

What would be really worrying is if at home against them they pass us off the park and we allow Seri to run the game.

No doubt about it if we struggle against Fulham the pressure will be on Marco unfortunately, but in my opinion we should be able to deal with them.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Hawkandro on September 24, 2018, 02:29:55 PM
Alan Nixon reporting (in the fucking Scum) that our players are complaining about Silva; his preparation for PL games is too intricate and intense apparently...

If there was even a fucking ounce of truth in that, then I think it highlights the players in a bad light, and would show why we have struggled under successive management since Moyes left.

...but... it is in the Scum, so is probably blatantly untrue and just them stirring things up as they cannot attend matches.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on September 24, 2018, 02:37:16 PM
Alan Nixon reporting (in the fucking Scum) that our players are complaining about Silva; his preparation for PL games is too intricate and intense apparently...

If there was even a fucking ounce of truth in that, then I think it highlights the players in a bad light, and would show why we have struggled under successive management since Moyes left.

...but... it is in the Scum, so is probably blatantly untrue and just them stirring things up as they cannot attend matches.


I think it’s probably blag, but it’s a symptom of a struggling side isn’t it when the rags start ratching up the pressure on the manager.

Training ground bust up or young player wanting out will be the next story no doubt.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Hawkandro on September 24, 2018, 02:43:07 PM
More than likely, I agree. If it was reported elsewhere, maybe you would think there was something in it.

My thoughts on yesterday, if anyone is interested, is that we looked like a totally different team to the one who played against West Ham. I liked the energy and attacking intent we showed, but once again we were hampered by no quality up top. I think DCL is a more direct threat than Tosun, is so much as he can run and lead the line reasonably well. He seems to get into the correct positions and is a nuisance, but he has no composure whatsoever. Few times he looked like Bambi on ice yesterday; hopefully with game time as a No.9 and maybe a goal or two, he will calm down.

JJ Kenny and Digne were both excellent again yesterday I thought; good to see Kenny really pushing Coleman for his spot this season. Thought Davies and Gueye offered more in CM than Gueye and Gylfi did last week, but we are still missing someone like Barkley, who can pick up the ball and take it past people; hopefully Gomes will be that player. I would definitely like to see us signing a CM and a Striker in January.

Moussa Marega would be my choice if attainable; strong and powerful striker who knows where the net is.

Big test is whether we can repeat this against Fulham; I would probably start the same team, or move Richarlison up top and bring in Bernard on the left. Half tempted to give DCL time to see what he can do in his favoured position.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Lxxx on September 24, 2018, 04:00:13 PM
We're much better suited to playing away from home. The games we've struggled to create anything in are at Goodison when teams sit back and don't allow us any space.

I hope Silva learns from this and, as much as the crowd won't like it, allow Fulham plenty of the ball in their half so we can do what we do best which is break with pace when there are gaps to exploit. He might have wanted to do that against Huddersfield but would have been wary of the fans frustration not going for them at home, as well as not having Richarlison.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on September 25, 2018, 05:22:21 AM
I think Sunday was our best performance of the season, and there was plenty to feel positive about.

Look at this defensive action map from twitter (I know, sorry) https://twitter.com/footballfactman/status/1044346938496364544?s=21

Despite not having 2 defensive midfielders on the pitch and having two box to box players with an AM in front we made the middle of the pitch really tough for them. Forcing them backwards or nicking it.

We closed down aggressively in their half and kept the pressure on them when they tried to shuttle it out wide.

We had relatively little to do in the really dangerous areas, and although they lashed all sorts at Kenny he nearly passed wih flying colours. He won’t face two like Auba and Lacca every week, thank god.

They won because they have bigger and better superstar attackers. That’s all. It won’t happen every week, and if we play like that again we get results.

Keep the faith lads, Everton are magic.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Brownie on September 25, 2018, 05:28:39 AM
Alan Nixon has never written a positive story about us.....ever
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on September 25, 2018, 01:53:20 PM
https://betweentheposts.net/arsenal-everton-2-0-quality-front-goal-makes-difference-for-unspectacular-arsenal/
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: plumber on September 25, 2018, 05:21:37 PM
I think Sunday was our best performance of the season, and there was plenty to feel positive about.

Look at this defensive action map from twitter (I know, sorry) https://twitter.com/footballfactman/status/1044346938496364544?s=21

Despite not having 2 defensive midfielders on the pitch and having two box to box players with an AM in front we made the middle of the pitch really tough for them. Forcing them backwards or nicking it.

We closed down aggressively in their half and kept the pressure on them when they tried to shuttle it out wide.

We had relatively little to do in the really dangerous areas, and although they lashed all sorts at Kenny he nearly passed wih flying colours. He won’t face two like Auba and Lacca every week, thank god.

They won because they have bigger and better superstar attackers. That’s all. It won’t happen every week, and if we play like that again we get results.

Keep the faith lads, Everton are magic.

I don‘t want to piss on your bonfire, but that‘s exactly what Cardiff and West Ham have done to them. Despite decent results they are average side for the meantime, piss poor at playing out from the back and vulnerable when opposition press high up the pitch.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on September 25, 2018, 05:51:25 PM
I don‘t want to piss on your bonfire, but that‘s exactly what Cardiff and West Ham have done to them. Despite decent results they are average side for the meantime, piss poor at playing out from the back and vulnerable when opposition press high up the pitch.

Yeah I don’t think they are particularly good, if they were they would have battered us.

But i don’t think we are any good either so you know.

What I mean is the plan was fine and we executed it fine but without quality up top and got beat by quality the other end.

No matter how average arsenal are, there are many worse sides in the league and in those games maybe our quality will show instead.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: plumber on September 25, 2018, 06:13:04 PM
Yes, I agree with you, the plan was good. That gives some hope at least after pathetic game against West Ham.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: formerKHL on September 25, 2018, 06:15:48 PM
IMO..the marco effect seems to be similar to what we've had for the past four or so seasons..ie: no plan B..

Marco's "plan B" IMO seems to be no matter what the score throw more attackers on....problem is we seem to be chasing games too often for my liking....again purely my opinion...my plan B would be to game manage more...we lose our heads when we go a goal down instead of composing and consolidating....we're even vulnerable just after WE score....again no game management....

I know different managers have different styles etc but if you analyse the successful teams they all manage their games to suit their style and pattern of play....

we need to start doing the same..

We don't have to batter teams every game (although we'd all love it if we did) 1-0 wins are better than 1-1 draws or losses....then turn the 1-0's into 2-0's etc etc…
Game Management...…...
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Shogun on October 03, 2018, 07:11:52 AM
Fiorentina used to play a 3-4-2-1 formation with Bernadeschi at right back and got a lot of success out of it.

I wonder if we could do the same to get Bernard more centrally in the pitch without pushing Sigurdsson out on the wing?

Not that it’s going to happen like.

Pickford
Zouma Keane Mina
Richarlison Gana Davies Digne
Sigurdsson Bernard
Walcott
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: cantoffee on October 03, 2018, 08:48:33 AM
Fiorentina used to play a 3-4-2-1 formation with Bernadeschi at right back and got a lot of success out of it.

I wonder if we could do the same to get Bernard more centrally in the pitch without pushing Sigurdsson out on the wing?

Not that it's going to happen like.

Pickford
Zouma Keane Mina
Richarlison Gana Davies Digne
Sigurdsson Bernard
Walcott
Bruh...

You must be on something. Richarlison is staying where he should - at the top end of the pitch.

Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Martip on October 29, 2018, 12:45:13 AM
Not liked everything I've seen this season but think we are really are closing the gap based on the Arsenal and Utd games and are much better on the eye. Well done lad.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on October 30, 2018, 12:13:03 AM
Wonder when he’ll switch to 4-3-3 and how he’ll do it
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Paddockoldie on October 30, 2018, 01:43:12 AM
We're getting better and if anyone can't see it you don't want to. Finding the right attack formation is a work in progress and we might need to buy but defence wise, spirit and team cohesion we're definitely improving.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Cereal Killer on October 30, 2018, 01:49:46 AM
Wonder when he’ll switch to 4-3-3 and how he’ll do it

Nahhhh, full FM

         Pickford
   Mina Keane Zouma
Coleman            Digne
         Gana Gomes
             Siggy
      Richarlison DCL

Fullbacks proper bombed on constantly, Gana covering side to side rather than up the pitch, Siggy/Bernard interchangeable, or Lookman/Walcott for more attacking, Richarlison in pretty much a free role, with DCL/Tosun as fixed striker with the others doing more movement....
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Dr. Sponge on October 30, 2018, 03:54:53 AM
Nahhhh, full FM

         Pickford
   Mina Keane Zouma
Coleman            Digne
         Gana Gomes
             Siggy
      Richarlison DCL

Fullbacks proper bombed on constantly, Gana covering side to side rather than up the pitch, Siggy/Bernard interchangeable, or Lookman/Walcott for more attacking, Richarlison in pretty much a free role, with DCL/Tosun as fixed striker with the others doing more movement....

That’s terrible.


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Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Bluedylan on October 31, 2018, 04:36:29 AM
Quite an interesting analysis of the Utd game:

https://www.coachesvoice.com/tactical-analysis-manchester-united-2-everton-1/
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on October 31, 2018, 05:22:45 AM
Quite an interesting analysis of the Utd game:

https://www.coachesvoice.com/tactical-analysis-manchester-united-2-everton-1/

Really good that.

Quote
Despite an increase in possession, they still relied on the full-backs to deliver attacking crosses and their play in the final third otherwise lacked invention

@TheRam (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=1602) that’s what I’m worried about at home v Brighton ^ lots down the flanks with Dunk and Duffy putting big fods on everything that comes near them.

Baines aids build up through the middle by cutting passes inside to feet and underlapping inside the full back.

Bainard incoming.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: TheRam on October 31, 2018, 01:33:02 PM
Really good that.

@TheRam (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=1602) that’s what I’m worried about at home v Brighton ^ lots down the flanks with Dunk and Duffy putting big fods on everything that comes near them.

Baines aids build up through the middle by cutting passes inside to feet and underlapping inside the full back.

Bainard incoming.

Baines left back, digne right back maybe?
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on October 31, 2018, 01:37:24 PM
Baines left back, digne right back maybe?

NOW we’re talking, full footy manager mode
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: GLewis on November 04, 2018, 12:06:35 AM
Crosses vs two CBs like today’s wasn’t the best idea but overall through history we do love crosses.

I think there’s a synergy between approach and crowd wishes that we haven’t seen for a while.

More specifically the front 4, whoever they are, are very much improved in their positions when pressing.

The opposition are routinely only left with a lofted ball up front.

The defence are also a lot more aggressive in their challenges when it does go up their. I think Silva would rather concede a foul than an easy possession for the opposition.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: blueski on November 04, 2018, 12:17:59 AM
Personally liked the attacking combinations and general pace of decisions when we were on the ball in their half today

There were plenty of instances where things didn't come off but its refreshing vs any of the 3 prior regimes. lots of attempted and successful two and 3 player combinations with the end goal being to attempt to create a chance. Yes there were crosses but there were also a lot of attempts to create chances at players feet.

Weve been slogging so long through Everton teams that endlessly passed the ball sideways and backwards it feels liberating doesn't it?
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: gizzblue on November 04, 2018, 12:44:09 AM
He never sat down today Silva, the guy is tweaking the system constantly ....every little break in play he is in some players ear, either bigging them up or offering ideas ...I love it .

Really impressed .
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: sam of the south on November 04, 2018, 12:49:08 AM
He never sat down today Silva, the guy is tweaking the system constantly ....every little break in play he is in some players ear, either bigging them up or offering ideas ...I love it .

Really impressed .

Yeah, I noticed that.

Great to see.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: GLewis on November 04, 2018, 12:47:11 PM
Will be interesting to see in the coming weeks but I’m pretty sure on corners at least, that we’re now having Sig and Gueye man marking (in this case the two CBs) and the others in zones.

Obviously we got done for their goal but the change of angle might have caught us out.

But also for our first one it seemed to work well as the man markers were blocking their CBs and Zouma was left free to attack the ball.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Lxxx on November 04, 2018, 02:53:40 PM
If true it shows he’s a pragmatic coach, willing to change and adapt his preferred ways of working to get better results, unlike someone like Martinez for example. 
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on November 04, 2018, 03:05:51 PM
Like to see Davies get some game time along side Gomes, think it would do him the world of good and help bring him on, with the transformation lately of Keane's defending i'd hope Davies could be another to make a leap forward along with Lookman and Lewin. The order that issues have been tackled in recruitment and style of play changes can't be argued with lately for me so fair play to all the staff, feel like we can give Chelsea a game next.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: BlueNoseMike on November 04, 2018, 03:20:55 PM
Like to see Davies get some game time along side Gomes, think it would do him the world of good and help bring him on, with the transformation lately of Keane's defending i'd hope Davies could be another to make a leap forward along with Lookman and Lewin. The order that issues have been tackled in recruitment and style of play changes can't be argued with lately for me so fair play to all the staff, feel like we can give Chelsea a game next.

who you dropping for davies, or you mean off the bench? isn't our bench looking good all of a sudden?
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on November 04, 2018, 03:31:28 PM
who you dropping for davies, or you mean off the bench? isn't our bench looking good all of a sudden?
Hard to drop anyone mate, but maybe when we've put a game to bed to start with, maybe i've got a soft spot for Davies but still think there's a very good player in there, i had the same feeling for Barkley, maybe i'm too sentimental about home grown lads.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: BlueNoseMike on November 04, 2018, 04:54:04 PM
Hard to drop anyone mate, but maybe when we've put a game to bed to start with, maybe i've got a soft spot for Davies but still think there's a very good player in there, i had the same feeling for Barkley, maybe i'm too sentimental about home grown lads.

No I agree, I like Davies. Just he isn't a first 11 player currently and depending on how the game is going there's better options off bench. If we are chasing a game DCL Lookman Tosun are the obvious subs

If we are in control say 2 - 0 you could take Sig off for Davies to be fair. Can't think of many other ways you'd get him in. If we are well in control maybe as a way to rest gueye and gomes but I'd rather they stay on as it's likely that we are in control because they are the ones controlling it
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on November 04, 2018, 04:58:56 PM
No I agree, I like Davies. Just he isn't a first 11 player currently and depending on how the game is going there's better options off bench. If we are chasing a game DCL Lookman Tosun are the obvious subs

If we are in control say 2 - 0 you could take Sig off for Davies to be fair. Can't think of many other ways you'd get him in. If we are well in control maybe as a way to rest gueye and gomes but I'd rather they stay on as it's likely that we are in control because they are the ones controlling it
Yes all true mate, but they are good problems to have for the first time in ages, a great sign of the improve going on.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on November 04, 2018, 05:33:57 PM
Will be interesting to see in the coming weeks but I’m pretty sure on corners at least, that we’re now having Sig and Gueye man marking (in this case the two CBs) and the others in zones.

Obviously we got done for their goal but the change of angle might have caught us out.

But also for our first one it seemed to work well as the man markers were blocking their CBs and Zouma was left free to attack the ball.

If so then I’m glad. We haven’t been coming out very well from corners this year. Maybe taking some time to adapt etc.

Not sure what accounts for how poor we’ve been at converting from corners however.

https://twitter.com/toffeeanalysis/status/1058030887244365824?s=21
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on November 04, 2018, 05:41:07 PM
Re: Davies -  4-3-3 will happen at some point I think.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: BlueForYou on November 04, 2018, 05:45:28 PM
4-3-1-2

Walcott on the brink
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: GLewis on November 04, 2018, 06:09:24 PM
If so then I’m glad. We haven’t been coming out very well from corners this year. Maybe taking some time to adapt etc.

Not sure what accounts for how poor we’ve been at converting from corners however.

https://twitter.com/toffeeanalysis/status/1058030887244365824?s=21

Guess not having great scoring headers?

Zouma should have done much better with his chance in the first half for examlme
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Lxxx on November 04, 2018, 06:20:27 PM
You’d like to think Mina’s presence will help us create a few more goalscoring opportunities from corners moving forwards.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on November 04, 2018, 06:46:27 PM
Guess not having great scoring headers?

Zouma should have done much better with his chance in the first half for examlme

I’d guess xg takes into account position and surrounding pressure of the shot rather than the headerer themselves, but I suppose better in the air = better at fashioning a good chance.

I dunno, feels a bit freaky rather than anything we’re specifically doing wrong to me. Had a few 50p headers fly into the stands instead of the net.

Had a couple of flick ons yesterday that didn’t get pounced on also.

Keane should have had a handful this season on his own imo!
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: BlueNoseMike on November 04, 2018, 07:12:52 PM
Re: Davies -  4-3-3 will happen at some point I think.

Who you taking out for him? Is it you who just doesn't rate sig at all? He was instrumental in 2 of our goals yesterday and has set up more chances than most players this season
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on November 04, 2018, 07:51:54 PM
Who you taking out for him? Is it you who just doesn't rate sig at all? He was instrumental in 2 of our goals yesterday and has set up more chances than most players this season

I am a critic but I’d say I’m definitely conflicted on Sig. In the form of his life at the moment and if we are going to play a number 10 then there’s few players you’d take over him, even less in this form.

I think my issue is (beyond money and contract size and the purchase in general) that I’m not sure he was ever quite right for us. The problem I think we had and still have a bit is making clear chances when we have the ball in play and for the money we could have found someone younger who does that better.

I also think a number 10 is a bit old fashioned maybe, and that 3 in the middle could help us control games better. Plus silva has generally played with 3 in the middle I think although cleverly was like an advanced CM with two box to box players either side of him.

I dunno, it’s a hard one.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: cantoffee on November 04, 2018, 08:01:28 PM
I am a critic but I'd say I'm definitely conflicted on Sig. In the form of his life at the moment and if we are going to play a number 10 then there's few players you'd take over him, even less in this form.

I think my issue is (beyond money and contract size and the purchase in general) that I'm not sure he was ever quite right for us. The problem I think we had and still have a bit is making clear chances when we have the ball in play and for the money we could have found someone younger who does that better.

I also think a number 10 is a bit old fashioned maybe, and that 3 in the middle could help us control games better. Plus silva has generally played with 3 in the middle I think although cleverly was like an advanced CM with two box to box players either side of him.

I dunno, it's a hard one.
We created plenty yesterday though but were very wasteful. On another day we'd have scored 5.

Sig has been excellent this year and I can't see how he could be dropped. He brings an x factor with his ability to score from distance and set piece delivery.

He seems to create one good chance a game which isnt great but probably good enough when combined with his pressing and work to win the ball high up the pitch.

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Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Mick 1995 on November 04, 2018, 08:30:54 PM
The lungs on Sigurdsson to break for our first yesterday was brilliant.
Fully love our Viking and would play him whenever possible.

However, there are a few games where our formation may be best setting up with a body further back than he excels in.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on November 04, 2018, 09:18:25 PM
I know it’s not an easy argument to make, and yeah he’s been very good, long may it continue. But yeah sometimes we might do with a change.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on November 04, 2018, 09:19:46 PM
As the squad improves it should be easier to be a rest instead of a drop, Sigurdsson is playing well but he is a horse for a coarse type player and against some teams where space will be limited we will look to other options, that should be just normal rotation really.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Lxxx on November 04, 2018, 09:40:27 PM
While he's scoring goals and creating chances most games he's undroppable. Whether he's ripe for a rest or a sitting out a game for tactical reasons is a different matter but so far Silva seems to not favour tinkering for the sake of it.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: BlueForYou on November 04, 2018, 10:03:23 PM
Silva has pretty much made up his mind, outward bound -

Niasse (Jan)
Tosun (Jan)
Schneiderlin (Jan)
Lookman (Jan)
Dowell (Jan)

Holgate, Kenny and McCarthy - uncertain

Stek, Jags and Bainsey - end of season
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on November 04, 2018, 10:05:52 PM
Silva has pretty much made up his mind, outward bound -

Niasse (Jan)
Tosun (Jan)
Schneiderlin (Jan)
Lookman (Jan)
Dowell (Jan)

Holgate, Kenny and McCarthy - uncertain

Stek, Jags and Bainsey - end of season
This from the horses mouth?
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: BlueForYou on November 04, 2018, 10:08:22 PM
No

Prediction
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Mick 1995 on November 04, 2018, 10:16:08 PM
I think Lookman and Tosun are uncertain as well.

January is too tight to be offloading en masse.
Can deffo see deals sending out the other 3 though
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on November 04, 2018, 10:20:29 PM
No

Prediction
Well with the quality of the inward last window, would be hard to argue whatever they decide..
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Ell Capitan on November 04, 2018, 10:29:08 PM
Now that we’ve had a chance to see what Silva is about, it’s mad to think that, having failed to get him last year, Moshiri’s backup plan was Allardyce.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: gizzblue on November 04, 2018, 10:31:47 PM
I trust completely Marco and Marcel ...one window and the miracles work already . :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: GLewis on November 05, 2018, 12:17:51 AM
Now that we’ve had a chance to see what Silva is about, it’s mad to think that, having failed to get him last year, Moshiri’s backup plan was Allardyce.

Wasn’t back up as in like for like.

He wanted Silva but having not been able to get him, he went for guaranteed safety while he waited for him.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Ell Capitan on November 05, 2018, 12:30:45 AM
Wasn’t back up as in like for like.

He wanted Silva but having not been able to get him, he went for guaranteed safety while he waited for him.

You reckon it was always a short term hire?

Didn’t feel like that at the time. I guess we’ll never know.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: BlueForYou on November 05, 2018, 12:33:18 AM
Guaranteed it wasn't long term

Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Ross on November 05, 2018, 12:47:18 AM
Guaranteed it wasn't long term



So we just gave him the extra year of his contract as a bonus then?

Or should that be an added bonus on top of his £2m bonus for recusing us from 11th that is.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Paddockoldie on November 05, 2018, 01:31:34 AM
So we just gave him the extra year of his contract as a bonus then?

Or should that be an added bonus on top of his £2m bonus for recusing us from 11th that is.

He was a major panic buy so had us by the short and curlies. I think that's why he kept saying things like "planning for next season" as a way of winding the fans up and letting Moshiri know that was the deal and to break it he wants paying out. Utter twat and a stain on this club for sure. Better times ahead is all I can focus on now.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: terrydarracotsbaldpate on November 05, 2018, 01:56:04 AM
No

Prediction
Can't see him letting Tosun or Lookman going unless we get replacements in.

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Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Toffee_4_Life on November 05, 2018, 02:00:36 AM
So we just gave him the extra year of his contract as a bonus then?

Or should that be an added bonus on top of his £2m bonus for recusing us from 11th that is.

We offered him a 6 month contract as soon as we couldn't get Marco. He refused and said he wanted 18 months. We shopped around for a but then went back for him and offered him the 18 months. It definitely wasn't a long term plan, he knew it and wanted the extra pay off in the summer. Hard to blame him to be fair.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Ross on November 05, 2018, 02:18:25 AM
He was a major panic buy so had us by the short and curlies. I think that's why he kept saying things like "planning for next season" as a way of winding the fans up and letting Moshiri know that was the deal and to break it he wants paying out. Utter twat and a stain on this club for sure. Better times ahead is all I can focus on now.

Not a great idea sacking somebody without having a replacement lined up nevermind alternatives. There’s a World of difference between Silva and Allardyce and plenty of other options in between.

What would have happened if Watford hadn’t have sacked Silva?

We offered him a 6 month contract as soon as we couldn't get Marco. He refused and said he wanted 18 months. We shopped around for a but then went back for him and offered him the 18 months. It definitely wasn't a long term plan, he knew it and wanted the extra pay off in the summer. Hard to blame him to be fair.

Are you really suggesting there was nobody else between Allardyce and Silva?

If he was such a short term strategy and given the money he’s been paid and paid off with Moshiri made him the highest paid football manager in the world for 6 months work.

It’s mind blowing madness especially considering we were and are still paying Koeman.

Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Risky on November 05, 2018, 02:31:11 AM
Not a great idea sacking somebody without having a replacement lined up nevermind alternatives. There’s a World of difference between Silva and Allardyce and plenty of other options in between.

What would have happened if Watford hadn’t have sacked Silva?

Are you really suggesting there was nobody else between Allardyce and Silva?

If he was such a short term strategy and given the money he’s been paid and paid off with Moshiri made him the highest paid football manager in the world for 6 months work.

It’s mind blowing madness especially considering we were and are still paying Koeman.



#moshiriout
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Ross on November 05, 2018, 02:33:37 AM
#moshiriout

No.

Better governance and take this serious otherwise we’ll end up in trouble.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on November 05, 2018, 02:44:34 AM
Not a great idea sacking somebody without having a replacement lined up nevermind alternatives. There’s a World of difference between Silva and Allardyce and plenty of other options in between.

What would have happened if Watford hadn’t have sacked Silva?

Are you really suggesting there was nobody else between Allardyce and Silva?

If he was such a short term strategy and given the money he’s been paid and paid off with Moshiri made him the highest paid football manager in the world for 6 months work.

It’s mind blowing madness especially considering we were and are still paying Koeman.



I’m very critical of the club in general but I find it hard to even understand exactly what you are suggesting here, let alone believe it.

Club knew who they wanted, right or wrong, and someone was going to have to accept a short term contract, or take a shafting.

If there’s one man in football happy to take a wad of doh and not mind getting a big egg in the face for the honour it’s Sam.

It was a bit crude but frankly I think all sides played a blinder and got what they all wanted.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Risky on November 05, 2018, 02:50:16 AM
It's really obvious what happened with the benefit of hindsight.  They wanted Silva, couldn't get him and Allardyce had us by the balls as things deteriorated in the meantime.  There was no point in looking for another long term manager at this stage because they were clearly going to get Silva in the summer otherwise, his sacking was irrelevant.  Allardyce and his bloated contract was a necessary evil in the circumstances.

It wasn't pretty, and it certainly wasn't cheap.  But in the circumstances you can see how it ended up that way and you're missing the point somewhat if you're questioning why we didn't go for someone else instead of Allardyce once we couldn't get Silva.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Ross on November 05, 2018, 03:12:21 AM
I’m very critical of the club in general but I find it hard to even understand exactly what you are suggesting here, let alone believe it.

Club knew who they wanted, right or wrong, and someone was going to have to accept a short term contract, or take a shafting.

If there’s one man in football happy to take a wad of doh and not mind getting a big egg in the face for the honour it’s Sam.

It was a bit crude but frankly I think all sides played a blinder and got what they all wanted.

If Silva hadn’t have been sacked by Watford, who plainly didn’t want to deal with us after turning down a record compensation package, what was the alternative? Keep Allardyce for another year?

I’m happy Silvas here, I’ve always liked to see us playing attacking football the type his teams play. But I’m sure you’ll agree they’re polar opposites as manager and the idea we made him the highest paid manager in the world ever and then gave him £50m to spend for a six month job doesn’t fit for me. Looks like terrible planning whichever way you look at it, especially considering Silva doesn’t really fancy Tosun and Walcott pushing on like you’ve said yourself.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Risky on November 05, 2018, 03:41:09 AM
If Silva hadn’t have been sacked by Watford, who plainly didn’t want to deal with us after turning down a record compensation package, what was the alternative? Keep Allardyce for another year?

I’m happy Silvas here, I’ve always liked to see us playing attacking football the type his teams play. But I’m sure you’ll agree they’re polar opposites as manager and the idea we made him the highest paid manager in the world ever and then gave him £50m to spend for a six month job doesn’t fit for me. Looks like terrible planning whichever way you look at it, especially considering Silva doesn’t really fancy Tosun and Walcott pushing on like you’ve said yourself.

We would have got him in the summer.  Yes they played hardball mid-season but there's no way it wouldn't have happened in the summer if he'd continued to make it clear he wanted to leave.  We didn't get lucky that he was sacked, it was an irrelevance.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Ramjam on November 05, 2018, 04:57:22 AM
Any news on the legal action or tribunal that Watford was harping on about, that’s all gone a bit silent
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Ramjam on November 05, 2018, 12:52:05 PM
I’ve just watched Silva’s post match interview and ill tell you what, this guy grows on me every time I here him speak, we have a great manager and a great guy on board with us here and I’m fuckin loving it. this man is fantastic for our club, go on Marco lad
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Mick 1995 on November 05, 2018, 08:55:02 PM
If Silva hadn’t have been sacked by Watford, who plainly didn’t want to deal with us after turning down a record compensation package, what was the alternative? Keep Allardyce for another year?

Didn't you bring up that "extra year" of Allardyce's contract as a reason it *wasn't* a 6-month hire to begin with?
And now you're using it as a ludicrous alternative that couldn't possibly happen.

Clearly, if Silva had not been fired when he was and was unable to extract himself from his contract during summer '18, then we would have started the season with Allardyce and waited it out.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Ross on November 05, 2018, 10:55:11 PM
Didn't you bring up that "extra year" of Allardyce's contract as a reason it *wasn't* a 6-month hire to begin with?
And now you're using it as a ludicrous alternative that couldn't possibly happen.

Clearly, if Silva had not been fired when he was and was unable to extract himself from his contract during summer '18, then we would have started the season with Allardyce and waited it out.

How can you say keeping Allardyce for his full contract is a “ludicrous alternative and couldn’t possibly happen” and then in the next sentence say we’d have kept Allardyce for the following season?
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Mick 1995 on November 05, 2018, 11:00:14 PM
How can you say keeping Allardyce for his full contract is a “ludicrous alternative and couldn’t possibly happen” and then in the next sentence say we’d have kept Allardyce for the following season?

You can't. I wasn't saying that, i was saying that you have said that and was pointing to how your contrary nature has tied your argument in knots:

So we just gave him the extra year of his contract as a bonus then?
Or should that be an added bonus on top of his £2m bonus for recusing us from 11th that is.
This is clearly arguing that Allardyce was given a contract that was legit and intended for it's full term. It is clear that you were disagreeing with @BlueForYou (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=6069) 's suggestion it wasn't a long term solution.

Whereas here:
If Silva hadn’t have been sacked by Watford, who plainly didn’t want to deal with us after turning down a record compensation package, what was the alternative? Keep Allardyce for another year?
You are disagreeing in a manner that suggests you feel keeping Allardyce on for another year is ludicrous.

It can't be both ways.
Moshiri, however, did know what he was doing, and covered his bases with Allardyce.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Audrey Horne on November 05, 2018, 11:17:39 PM
You can't. I wasn't saying that, i was saying that you have said that and was pointing to how your contrary nature has tied your argument in knots:
This is clearly arguing that Allardyce was given a contract that was legit and intended for it's full term. It is clear that you were disagreeing with @BlueForYou (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=6069) 's suggestion it wasn't a long term solution.

Whereas here:You are disagreeing in a manner that suggests you feel keeping Allardyce on for another year is ludicrous.

It can't be both ways.
Moshiri, however, did know what he was doing, and covered his bases with Allardyce.

He just says things to wind people up, best ignore him really.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Ross on November 05, 2018, 11:23:41 PM
You can't. I wasn't saying that, i was saying that you have said that and was pointing to how your contrary nature has tied your argument in knots:
This is clearly arguing that Allardyce was given a contract that was legit and intended for it's full term. It is clear that you were disagreeing with @BlueForYou (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=6069) 's suggestion it wasn't a long term solution.

Whereas here:You are disagreeing in a manner that suggests you feel keeping Allardyce on for another year is ludicrous.

It can't be both ways.
Moshiri, however, did know what he was doing, and covered his bases with Allardyce.

I’m not disagreeing with anything there Mick I’m asking a question.

I refuse to believe that any sane person would give Allardyce £6m just for the hell of it. Circumstances changed when Silva got the sack obviously and they made new plans according. But to tie him down to a deal knowing you’d no intention of him seeing that out and it’d cost you a significant amount of money to terminate would be sheer madness.

If we couldn’t have got Silva in this summer do you or don’t you think Allardyce would still be our manager?





Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on November 05, 2018, 11:39:52 PM
Obviously not
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Mick 1995 on November 05, 2018, 11:40:02 PM
Allardyce would have been our manager until Silva was available. That was always plan A, from the moment we approached Allardyce at least.

No way of telling if it would be summer 18 or summer 19. So the 18 month contract covered both those bases
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: gizzblue on November 06, 2018, 12:15:44 AM
Can we now stop sullying this thread with talk of the dark days of the unmentionable rotund one before Silva and Brands dragged us kicking and screaming to become a team again .

Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Paddockoldie on November 06, 2018, 12:16:55 AM
I don't think I could have managed another season with that prick in charge... Hated his narcissistic manner.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Martip on November 07, 2018, 01:46:41 AM
How far do we think we are off challenging for the top 4 ? And where do we need to strengthen to make it happen ?
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Ramjam on November 07, 2018, 01:52:16 AM
How far do we think we are off challenging for the top 4 ? And where do we need to strengthen to make it happen ?
A result at Chelsea then another home win against Cardiff would really set up our season, care to dream with the away trip across the park for another win and it’s on for this season, just Spurs and Man City away after that and you could argue that the spade work has been done, two new signings in January to further strengthen the first team ( not the squad) and we will start to be noticed.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on November 07, 2018, 02:03:12 AM
How far do we think we are off challenging for the top 4 ? And where do we need to strengthen to make it happen ?

About another 150-200m per year in wages and maybe 4 more champions league level players.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: stirlingblue on November 07, 2018, 03:20:13 AM
About another 150-200m per year in wages and maybe 4 more champions league level players.

Depends what you mean by Challenging really.

Even with our current squad we’re capable of it in a freak run of form a la Leicester winning the league or to a lesser extent us finishing 4th under Moyes.

You’re right though, to regularly compete we’re miles off yet.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Martip on November 07, 2018, 03:26:10 AM
About another 150-200m per year in wages and maybe 4 more champions league level players.
Positions for the 4?

From memory were we not only around 20-30m a year in wages less than spurs ?
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Thornton_19 on November 07, 2018, 05:54:03 AM
How far do we think we are off challenging for the top 4 ? And where do we need to strengthen to make it happen ?
Honesty a striker and a stronger mentality in big games.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on November 07, 2018, 06:20:15 AM
Positions for the 4?

From memory were we not only around 20-30m a year in wages less than spurs ?

Yeah we’re probably about £30 off spurs, about £100 odd off Liverpool.

But we’re starting from much further back than any of them, and making a jump of even 30-40m is going to take a few summers. In that time I’m sure all of those above are going to be trying actively to improve, not to mention inflation.

I think we’re lightyears away. Closer to the rest of the league than we are the top 4. Let’s try and make that step first.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Lxxx on November 07, 2018, 03:00:08 PM
Yeah we’re probably about £30 off spurs, about £100 odd off Liverpool.

But we’re starting from much further back than any of them, and making a jump of even 30-40m is going to take a few summers. In that time I’m sure all of those above are going to be trying actively to improve, not to mention inflation.

I think we’re lightyears away. Closer to the rest of the league than we are the top 4. Let’s try and make that step first.

For the first time since the first year of Martinez you can see we're moving towards that goal now though. First stage is to cement 7th as a given and then try and make up the gap to the top 6. With the quality we now have and the structure we have in place you'd be massively disappointed if the first objective doesn't happen this season.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Bluedylan on November 07, 2018, 03:38:48 PM
Personally think 6th is gettable. Not remotely convinced by Man U's turnaround. Another meltdown is imminent with Juve away and City to come, and then Arsenal and Liverpool to play not long after.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Lxxx on November 07, 2018, 03:47:15 PM
Personally think 6th is gettable. Not remotely convinced by Man U's turnaround. Another meltdown is imminent with Juve away and City to come, and then Arsenal and Liverpool to play not long after.

I tend to agree however if Mourinho does go and another manager comes it to revitalise the club and take the shackles off the good players they have then they could turn things around reasonably quickly. With the talent they have they could swat aside the majority of teams in this league with ease, especially if they loosen the purse strings in January.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Bluedylan on November 07, 2018, 03:49:51 PM
I tend to agree however if Mourinho does go and another manager comes it to revitalise the club and take the shackles off the good players they have then they could turn things around reasonably quickly. With the talent they have they could swat aside the majority of teams in this league with ease, especially if they loosen the purse strings in January.

I think Mourinho's meltdown will be long, drawn out and messy. He'll keep picking up odd results, just enough to keep him in the job, but lose enough games to give the likes of us a shot at 6th. Woodward's not decisive enough to bin him off and make a fresh start. He'll just let things drift imo.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Lxxx on November 07, 2018, 03:52:38 PM
I think Mourinho's meltdown will be long, drawn out and messy. He'll keep picking up odd results, just enough to keep him in the job, but lose enough games to give the likes of us a shot at 6th. Woodward's not decisive enough to bin him off and make a fresh start. He'll just let things drift imo.

We can but hope.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on November 07, 2018, 04:09:03 PM
Heading in the right direction definitely, but missing depth of talent, level of talent, stylistically we play like a mid table side but I’d imagine that will come with better talent distribution and of although we’ve started to address the age curve we will be thinking about where we want to be 2, 3, 4, 5 years from now.

I personally think the biggest issue is that our growth needs to be predatory - at the expense of another team, 2 teams can’t get 6th, 2 teams can’t get 5th, two teams can’t get 4th. Someone has to lose out.

In terms of structure, revenue, talent distribution and perception, everyone above is is fairly entrenched and there doesn’t seem an immediate predatory position to take.

Spurs maybe when poch goes, but if we are thinking Branley Moore will propell us, what will a bigger stadium in the middle of London do to a team already richer and better?
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Mayor Farnum on November 07, 2018, 04:10:04 PM
Positions for the 4?

From memory were we not only around 20-30m a year in wages less than spurs ?

The same Spurs that won't spend big?
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on November 07, 2018, 04:16:20 PM
Positions for the 4?

From memory were we not only around 20-30m a year in wages less than spurs ?

Not that straight forward I don’t think. By the time we get 2 more I imagine we’d have lost richarlison and Gylfi, Coleman and Walcott will all be very post peak.

It’s more a case of - you need cl level talent distribution balances out across your side. And to really be up there you need superstars on the pitch and superstars on the bench.

One of our biggest issues is we have to start making revenue off players soon because moshiri isn’t limitless, but we also need to build a side with CL talent front to back that in 2-5 years can win something or get top 4.

Brands will be all over it, which is why he’s buying players like richarlison who are 21 and superstar potential rather than Walcott who is 29 and already a faded force not good enough for the next level.

‘Better than what we have’ is no longer an acceptable or sustainable strategy for us, that’s clear.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Lxxx on November 07, 2018, 04:50:30 PM
We were there a few years ago so it can be done. We had three players in Lukaku, Barkley and Stones who were young talent who others coveted down the spine of the team. We brought in £150m+ for the three of them (should have been more had the Barkley situation been handled better) but blew the chance to replace them with another three off the production line.

I agree Brands will be all over it. In fact he'll probably be looking for the next Gomes so we don't have to pay £30m+ for him, similarly with Zouma and maybe pick up a few other unloved diamonds in the summer to rinse and repeat. We're going to have to be creative to close the gap and for every Lukaku there will be a few Deulofeu's but at least under Silva and Brands we'll be trying to do it the right way, it would appear.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: arteta4spain on November 07, 2018, 05:30:10 PM
I think the problem, which were probably aware of, is that we’re trying to play catch up by some distance. If Moshiri has come in say around the time we were constantly competing for the europa I think we’d have had a chance to really push on. As much as he’s going to hopefully take us that next level, it’s gonna be difficult but hopefully with M&M we should be there or thereabouts :-)
Quietly optimistic but i was when Martinez was doing well in his first season.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on November 07, 2018, 06:15:37 PM
I really think just concentrate on sorting balance and age curve, get he quality above the rest of the league and reduce the amount of variance between our seasons (get back to mid 50 to 60 point seasons) and from that base you can try and have the odd one or two good seasons and with that revenue plough into a superstar to take you next level.

my personal opinion is - the investment came too late and we’ve missed the boat. Those above are entrenched and not going anywhere soon and have way better revenue streams in all senses so there’s not really a chance for us (other than on pitch miracles and force multipliers like richarlison say becoming the best attacker in the league ala Bale / Kane)

the best we can hope for us to solidify that 7th position and start getting 60+ points a season - even that will be a MASSIVE task. From there we have a better, punchers chance of sneaking in one year if someone fluffs their lines big time which happens occasionally.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Hawkandro on November 07, 2018, 06:49:36 PM
We were there a few years ago so it can be done. We had three players in Lukaku, Barkley and Stones who were young talent who others coveted down the spine of the team. We brought in £150m+ for the three of them (should have been more had the Barkley situation been handled better) but blew the chance to replace them with another three off the production line.

I agree Brands will be all over it. In fact he'll probably be looking for the next Gomes so we don't have to pay £30m+ for him, similarly with Zouma and maybe pick up a few other unloved diamonds in the summer to rinse and repeat. We're going to have to be creative to close the gap and for every Lukaku there will be a few Deulofeu's but at least under Silva and Brands we'll be trying to do it the right way, it would appear.

Brands was at Wembley last night, watching the PSV game. Hopefully still after Lozano.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Martip on November 07, 2018, 07:15:45 PM
Brands was at Wembley last night, watching the PSV game. Hopefully still after Lozano.
How did he play out of interest. ?
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Bluedylan on November 07, 2018, 07:22:28 PM
Brands was at Wembley last night, watching the PSV game. Hopefully still after Lozano.

Probly just meeting up with mates and colleagues that he worked with for 8 years, in fairness.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: gizzblue on November 07, 2018, 09:52:54 PM
Probly just meeting up with mates and colleagues that he worked with for 8 years, in fairness.

Shhhh let us dream will you  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Hawkandro on November 07, 2018, 09:55:14 PM
How did he play out of interest. ?

I didn't see much of the game. Echo reported he was quiet in first half but made more of an impact stretching Spurs in the 2nd half.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Martip on November 07, 2018, 11:48:10 PM
I really think just concentrate on sorting balance and age curve, get he quality above the rest of the league and reduce the amount of variance between our seasons (get back to mid 50 to 60 point seasons) and from that base you can try and have the odd one or two good seasons and with that revenue plough into a superstar to take you next level.

my personal opinion is - the investment came too late and we’ve missed the boat. Those above are entrenched and not going anywhere soon and have way better revenue streams in all senses so there’s not really a chance for us (other than on pitch miracles and force multipliers like richarlison say becoming the best attacker in the league ala Bale / Kane)

the best we can hope for us to solidify that 7th position and start getting 60+ points a season - even that will be a MASSIVE task. From there we have a better, punchers chance of sneaking in one year if someone fluffs their lines big time which happens occasionally.
Totally agree ref us being unlucky with when we came into money but I suppose we need to be clever on the market to bridge any gaps.

The reason why I posted querying how far people thought we were behind challenging for the top 4 is that I was looking at the Arsenal  and Utd starting 11s at the weekend and ON PAPER neither felt uncatchable tbh and these teams would be expected to challenge for the top 4 although may  fall short of course.

Our 11:
Pickford
Coleman
Keane
Zouma
Digne
Gomes
Gana
Walcock
Sig
Bernard
Richarlison

Ars:
Leno
Mustafi
Bellerin
Kolasinac
Holding
Ozil
Torrera
Xhaka
Mik
Oba
Laca
 
Utd:
De gea
Young
Lindelof
Smalling
Shaw
Fred
Mata
Martial
Pogba
Matic
Sanchez

I'm probably falling into the trap of overating our players and underating other teams but it  doesn't feel insurmountable with a couple of good signings.

I know a big name, big money forward is priority and if I'm honest that is really where I felt we lost the games against both of these recently when we were by no means outclassed.

I'm looking forward to the Chelsea game to see how far we 've really come as historically we always get bummed there.



Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on November 11, 2018, 07:20:17 PM
I’d have Cairney at Everton you know
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Shogun on November 11, 2018, 07:20:38 PM
I’d have Cairney at Everton you know

Good player but see Tom Cleverley
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: TheRam on November 11, 2018, 07:21:50 PM
I’d have Cairney at Everton you know

Alright Steve Walsh.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Bluedylan on November 11, 2018, 07:22:16 PM
I’d have Cairney at Everton you know

Why?
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on November 11, 2018, 07:27:44 PM
Because he’s a good player?
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: TheRam on November 11, 2018, 07:28:30 PM
Because he’s a good player?

Good enough for Everton?
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Bluedylan on November 11, 2018, 07:29:40 PM
Because he’s a good player?

'Good' or 'better than we have' isn't enough, as you were saying the other day.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on November 11, 2018, 07:39:05 PM
'Good' or 'better than we have' isn't enough, as you were saying the other day.

Ah fair enough. Not sure how good a player he is exactly I guess but he’s a good player. Should get picked up if they go down.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: stirlingblue on November 11, 2018, 07:49:12 PM
I’m still not sure what Silva is looking for in a number 9.

We’ve been linked with all sorts of players, and not really any consistency in the type between them.

Is he looking for a modern target man like Giroud/Mitrovic, a smaller tricky player like Aguero/Firmino or a pace merchant like Aubameyang/Wilson?
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Martip on November 11, 2018, 11:43:33 PM
Things are looking a lot more positive at the moment and the Silva/Brands combo must take a massive amount of credit.

Some good home wins followed by 3 good away performances against some of the best teams in league have really got my pecker up and for the first time in ages teams really won't want to play us. Bravo!
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Bluenose 91 on November 12, 2018, 02:54:54 AM
Feels like ages since we've had an away game against a side not in the top 6.

Now we're looking more and more comfortable with Silvas style I cant wait for some away games against the lesser sides.

Should hopefully pick up a lot more points on the road this season.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: GLewis on November 12, 2018, 02:59:14 AM
Feels like ages since we've had an away game against a side not in the top 6.

Now we're looking more and more comfortable with Silvas style I cant wait for some away games against the lesser sides.

Should hopefully pick up a lot more points on the road this season.

Plus, Bournemouth based on season to date wasn’t an easy game (nor Wolves and Leicester).

Looking at it, early teething problems with defensive set up from set pieces has stopped us being right up there.

Looked like scoring in every away game so far too.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Bluenose 91 on November 12, 2018, 03:00:09 AM
Plus, Bournemouth based on season to date wasn’t an easy game (nor Wolves and Leicester).

Looking at it, early teething problems with defensive set up from set pieces has stopped us being right up there.

Looked like scoring in every away game so far too.

Yeah. Not really played anyone actually shit away from home yet.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on November 12, 2018, 03:00:43 AM
Think Wolves, West Ham and Leicester will all be in the mix for 7th. Have to say Bournemouth have been good as well.

If he can seal that 7th place and give 6th a bit of a long hard look, continuing along the lines we’ve seen on the pitch then I’d say this was a good year.

Give me another Richarlison and a few Dignes next summer and we are cooking with gas.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Martip on November 12, 2018, 03:03:38 AM
Think Wolves, West Ham and Leicester will all be in the mix for 7th. Have to say Bournemouth have been good as well.

If he can seal that 7th place and give 6th a bit of a long hard look, continuing along the lines we’ve seen on the pitch then I’d say this was a good year.

Give me another Richarlison and a few Dignes next summer and we are cooking with gas.
You know what I m not sure if I'm caught in the moment but I think sack of tosun in Jan and buy a top class forward and we maybe could attack 5th or 6th.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: gizzblue on November 12, 2018, 03:06:23 AM
Marco set up perfect against Chelsea today ....everyone knew exactly what they were doing ,even the subs .

We are now without a doubt a TEAM again .
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: arteta4spain on November 12, 2018, 03:11:43 AM
You know what I m not sure if I'm caught in the moment but I think sack of tosun in Jan and buy a top class forward and we maybe could attack 5th or 6th.
Deffo game for that. I don’t think Silva rates him hence bringing on dcl today and always using Richarlison up too rather than on the wing. Haven’t a clue who to go for tho. Be interesting to see where we’re at come Jan.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on November 12, 2018, 03:34:14 AM
Yes getting harder to see Tosun’s way back isn’t it. Shame because he seems sound he just hasn’t blown anyone away.

Richarlison doing OK up top still, think an upgrade in CM could still be the biggest step forward we take. A top RB to fill the position for the next 5-6 years would be good, and of course a real thoroughbred goal scorer is welcome at any club, but similar to someone above - I’ve no idea what sort of striker he’d want for this side.

Or what we’ll do with the left hand side with Richarlison, Lookman and Bernard all making a case for it.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Goaljira on November 12, 2018, 03:57:24 AM
The No9 position is a hard one.  They need to be a physical presence to be able to work defenders and hold the ball up, quick so they can close down and break, and an absolute machine so they can keep running for 90 minutes.

Like a stronger Firminho maybe?

Richarlison ticks the most boxes, but DCL is on the way there.  Tosun lacks the speed and engine really, which is a shame as he looks a good traditional No9.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: stirlingblue on November 12, 2018, 04:09:17 AM
The No9 position is a hard one.  They need to be a physical presence to be able to work defenders and hold the ball up, quick so they can close down and break, and an absolute machine so they can keep running for 90 minutes.

Like a stronger Firminho maybe?

Richarlison ticks the most boxes, but DCL is on the way there.  Tosun lacks the speed and engine really, which is a shame as he looks a good traditional No9.

Seems like DCL has everything except the goals
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Lxxx on November 12, 2018, 04:25:55 AM
Seems like DCL has everything except the goals

Wouldn’t have forgiven him if Chelsea had notched a late winner from that free kick though.

No idea what he was doing heading back infield instead of bearing down on the corner flag with 60 seconds left on the clock.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Ramjam on November 12, 2018, 05:23:00 AM
I think we might defer our transfer dealings until the summer, the squad we have are good enough to finish 7th so more money in the kitty for the summer window. Expecting a quiet January
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: oztoffee on November 12, 2018, 12:00:28 PM
I think we might defer our transfer dealings until the summer, the squad we have are good enough to finish 7th so more money in the kitty for the summer window. Expecting a quiet January
Never say die.......if all goes according to the fates, we'll get the 3 points from Cardiff next outing while I reckon The Arse are a good candidate for a point from Bournemouth and we'll be 6th.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Mick 1995 on November 12, 2018, 01:41:28 PM
Moshiri said we wouldn't be spending in Jan and wants to bed in the youngsters.

But I think replacements for Tosun & Walcott are now top of our priority list.
Jury is still out on Gomes, but it definitely wouldn't hurt to have another option in the middle. (Both a defensive & and offensive one really. Gana, Davies & Gomes for 2 positions is insufficient i feel. Especially if we grab a Europa spot)
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Jamokachi on November 12, 2018, 01:46:59 PM
No idea what he was doing heading back infield instead of bearing down on the corner flag with 60 seconds left on the clock.

Trying to win. Something we've been demanding, in vein, for years.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Lxxx on November 12, 2018, 01:48:21 PM
Trying to win. Something we've been demanding, in vein, for years.

He was on his own against three defenders. It was immaturity but thankfully it didn’t cost us.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Jamokachi on November 12, 2018, 01:50:04 PM
He was on his own against three defenders. It was immaturity but thankfully it didn’t cost us.

I know, kind of nice to see we were still going for it though.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on November 12, 2018, 01:54:52 PM
Moshiri said we wouldn't be spending in Jan and wants to bed in the youngsters.

But I think replacements for Tosun & Walcott are now top of our priority list.
Jury is still out on Gomes, but it definitely wouldn't hurt to have another option in the middle. (Both a defensive & and offensive one really. Gana, Davies & Gomes for 2 positions is insufficient i feel. Especially if we grab a Europa spot)

Yeah can understand him in that we’ve spent and we want to take stock and let the dust settle, but if there are deals there for the right players then we should never say never.

Don’t think Jan is the vital time to make the changes because I don’t think there’s a great deal we can do this year, but yeah centre mid, right wing (unless, Lookman..) and up top all need reinforcements.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Lxxx on November 12, 2018, 02:02:01 PM
Moshiri said we wouldn't be spending in Jan and wants to bed in the youngsters.

But I think replacements for Tosun & Walcott are now top of our priority list.
Jury is still out on Gomes, but it definitely wouldn't hurt to have another option in the middle. (Both a defensive & and offensive one really. Gana, Davies & Gomes for 2 positions is insufficient i feel. Especially if we grab a Europa spot)

I think Moshiri is just being a little more circumspect now.

If Brands came to him with a great deal I’m sure he’d look at it, he’s just not telling the world money isn’t an object anymore.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Macca77 on November 12, 2018, 02:06:25 PM
We don't need to spend in January anyway, you'd would hope we will be on the phone to Barca and Chelsea to try to tie up permanent deals for Gomes and Zouma
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: bluenuck on November 12, 2018, 02:17:59 PM
Moshiri said we wouldn't be spending in Jan and wants to bed in the youngsters.

But I think replacements for Tosun & Walcott are now top of our priority list.
Jury is still out on Gomes, but it definitely wouldn't hurt to have another option in the middle. (Both a defensive & and offensive one really. Gana, Davies & Gomes for 2 positions is insufficient i feel. Especially if we grab a Europa spot)

I think if a player at the top of our list in those positions is available and wants to come here it will happen.

But I don’t see brands pulling the trigger I’m january on a player that’s 3rd or 4th down the list. He’ll wait till next summer.

Tosun, Walcott, and our mid field is fine for the rest of this season.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Hawkandro on November 12, 2018, 02:21:46 PM
We don't need to spend in January anyway, you'd would hope we will be on the phone to Barca and Chelsea to try to tie up permanent deals for Gomes and Zouma

Gomes and Zouma are not available to buy apparently (well, according to the Echo anyway). Christensen may well be on his way out at Chelsea though, so he would be a target. If we cannot tempt Barca to sell Gomes / loan us again, then I would imagine Brands will have identified a target who is like for like and available.

I wouldn't be adverse to letting Walcott go either; remnant of the old regime sadly (though this is not his fault). Expensive and older. Lozano would be an ideal upgrade for the new, younger Everton.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Macca77 on November 12, 2018, 02:23:25 PM
Gomes and Zouma are not available to buy apparently (well, according to the Echo anyway). Christensen may well be on his way out at Chelsea though, so he would be a target. If we cannot tempt Barca to sell Gomes / loan us again, then I would imagine Brands will have identified a target who is like for like and available.

I wouldn't be adverse to letting Walcott go either; remnant of the old regime sadly (though this is not his fault). Expensive and older. Lozano would be an ideal upgrade for the new, younger Everton.

Did you hear that huge thud then? That was the sound of my heart breaking
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Jamokachi on November 12, 2018, 02:27:19 PM
Gomes is. Barca spent the entire summer trying to flog him.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Hawkandro on November 12, 2018, 02:36:52 PM
Gomes is. Barca spent the entire summer trying to flog him.

He has an £80m release clause, I reckon we will sort a deal out if he continues as he is doing.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Lxxx on November 12, 2018, 02:37:27 PM
Why would Chelsea sell Zouma if he carries on his current trajectory back to decent form? He’s save them a fortune, especially as Christiansen is so out of favour and on his way out.

Brands will be looking for the next bit of unloved quality. 
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Ramjam on November 12, 2018, 02:48:59 PM
Why would Chelsea sell Zouma if he carries on his current trajectory back to decent form? He's save them a fortune, especially as Christiansen is so out of favour and on his way out.

Brands will be looking for the next bit of unloved quality.
Zuma might just be on board with Silva’s strategies and prefer a permanent move and may well try to force the agenda, he seems happy here and in my opinion he’d be mad to go back there if he could be first choice here and playing every week, of course that’s assuming he wants to stay
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Bluedylan on November 12, 2018, 02:50:46 PM
I like the way he still says 'de' instead of 'of' in the middle of otherwise English sentences. It's endearing in a platonic way.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: sam of the south on November 12, 2018, 03:34:40 PM
I like the way he still says 'de' instead of 'of' in the middle of otherwise English sentences. It's endearing in a platonic way.

Yeah, I’ve noticed this.

He comes across as a really sweet and genuine dude. 
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on November 12, 2018, 04:36:09 PM
He has an £80m release clause, I reckon we will sort a deal out if he continues as he is doing.

Wouldn’t pay half that tbh
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Audrey Horne on November 12, 2018, 04:47:45 PM
Zuma might just be on board with Silva’s strategies and prefer a permanent move and may well try to force the agenda, he seems happy here and in my opinion he’d be mad to go back there if he could be first choice here and playing every week, of course that’s assuming he wants to stay

Its Zouma.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Brownie on November 12, 2018, 04:59:02 PM
He was on his own against three defenders. It was immaturity but thankfully it didn’t cost us.

The exuberance of youth. While you are right in that it could've cost us it was also, to me, pleasing to see that we are going to go for it. The best teams in any sport never settle for anything other than going for it. We're not there yet but that mentality is one that wil grow the more successful we become. I always think of Japan v SA at the last Rugby World Cup. Losing by three points they get a penalty last play of the game in front of the posts. Nobody gave them a chance of being within 30 points of SA. Instead of going for the draw they went for the lineout, scored the try and created the greatest  result in Japanese rugby history - maybe even in their sporting history. Be bold.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Mick 1995 on November 12, 2018, 05:13:26 PM
The exuberance of youth. While you are right in that it could've cost us it was also, to me, pleasing to see that we are going to go for it. The best teams in any sport never settle for anything other than going for it. We're not there yet but that mentality is one that wil grow the more successful we become. I always think of Japan v SA at the last Rugby World Cup. Losing by three points they get a penalty last play of the game in front of the posts. Nobody gave them a chance of being within 30 points of SA. Instead of going for the draw they went for the lineout, scored the try and created the greatest  result in Japanese rugby history - maybe even in their sporting history. Be bold.

God, I didn't come down from the roof for ages after that. Fuck me.
I tend not to care about sport other than Everton and England in Union.
But that day, Jesus, I'd have got a rising sun tattoo I was so proud of them.
Pure, unadulterated drama. Everything sport should be that day. Fuck your money. Fuck your stats. Fuck counting points and doing sums.
Win the game you're playing.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Brownie on November 12, 2018, 06:00:02 PM
God, I didn't come down from the roof for ages after that. Fuck me.
I tend not to care about sport other than Everton and England in Union.
But that day, Jesus, I'd have got a rising sun tattoo I was so proud of them.
Pure, unadulterated drama. Everything sport should be that day. Fuck your money. Fuck your stats. Fuck counting points and doing sums.
Win the game you're playing.

Phenomenal game and the reason why we play/support - for moments like that. I'd rather die a lion than live like a lamb
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Shogun on November 12, 2018, 06:44:17 PM
Can’t see why Zouma would come here if Mina and Keane do well.

We’re in a privileged position at the moment which is something I never thought would happen with Keane.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Confucius on November 12, 2018, 11:39:18 PM
The exuberance of youth. While you are right in that it could've cost us it was also, to me, pleasing to see that we are going to go for it. The best teams in any sport never settle for anything other than going for it. We're not there yet but that mentality is one that wil grow the more successful we become. I always think of Japan v SA at the last Rugby World Cup. Losing by three points they get a penalty last play of the game in front of the posts. Nobody gave them a chance of being within 30 points of SA. Instead of going for the draw they went for the lineout, scored the try and created the greatest  result in Japanese rugby history - maybe even in their sporting history. Be bold.

You just had to summon me didn’t you? Top trolling!
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Brownie on November 13, 2018, 12:00:25 AM
You just had to summon me didn’t you? Top trolling!

Hahahaha just using it as an example buddy
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: stirlingblue on November 19, 2018, 04:05:37 AM
Saw this posted earlier about the season so far.

Despite all the improvements compared to last year, the stats across the season as a whole suggest that we’re very much middle of the pack if you look at expected goals for and against.

It’s nice to have a good feeling around here again but we’ve still a ways to go yet.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: BlueNoseMike on November 19, 2018, 04:11:57 AM
Saw this posted earlier about the season so far.

Despite all the improvements compared to last year, the stats across the season as a whole suggest that we’re very much middle of the pack if you look at expected goals for and against.

It’s nice to have a good feeling around here again but we’ve still a ways to go yet.

Fuck me, I'm assuming City aren't on there because they are so farr ahead of everybody else and off the grid?
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on November 19, 2018, 04:18:40 AM
Fuck me, I'm assuming City aren't on there because they are so farr ahead of everybody else and off the grid?

Keep scrolling.

But basically yeah!

Worth bearing in mind our numbers are middle of the pack yes, but have been getting better!
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Cassius on November 19, 2018, 04:19:00 AM
Saw this posted earlier about the season so far.

Despite all the improvements compared to last year, the stats across the season as a whole suggest that we’re very much middle of the pack if you look at expected goals for and against.

It’s nice to have a good feeling around here again but we’ve still a ways to go yet.

I'm not massively acquainted with XG so I might be massively off with this post.

From my point of view, teams will score goals every season that wouldn't normally be 'expected'. They may also save certain goals through unexpected amazing defending. Not always the case for us, but you know what I mean.

These should still be accounted for in any statistical model. Perhaps XG does account for them and I just don't know the details. Or maybe that's the actual league table, which accounts for that scenario.

Either way, Silva has given the team confidence, which has resulted in play and attempts on goal that may be recorded against expectations. These may not have been attempted by the players under previous regimes.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: BlueNoseMike on November 19, 2018, 04:21:24 AM
Keep scrolling.

But basically yeah!

Worth bearing in mind our numbers are middle of the pack yes, but have been getting better!

Ah yeah. True, you've got to think the likes of Bournemouth and Watford will dip though
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: brap2 on November 19, 2018, 04:23:26 AM
I'm not massively acquainted with XG so I might be massively off with this post.

From my point of view, teams will score goals every season that wouldn't normally be 'expected'. They may also save certain goals through unexpected amazing defending. Not always the case for us, but you know what I mean.

These should still be accounted for in any statistical model. Perhaps XG does account for them and I just don't know the details. Or maybe that's the actual league table, which accounts for that scenario.

Either way, Silva has given the team confidence, which has resulted in play and attempts on goal that may be recorded against expectations. These may not have been attempted by the players under previous regimes.

Yes all teams will sometimes score goals they ‘shouldn't’ and also miss horrendous sitters - but everyone is in the same boat in that repspect so it doesn’t really matter.

It just takes thousands and thousands of shots historically and assigns touch points to them, then when you take a shot it lines it up against those touch points and says right out of 10 times (or whatever) how many of these have historically usually been a goal?

It stands to reason the best sides create the best chances and the worst sides allow the most dangerous chances against them, but xg is just a way quantifying your performance by quality of chance, and it’s a pretty good one on my opinion.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: Glory on November 19, 2018, 06:21:35 AM
I would be interested to see where we sit in such a metric over the last month or so ratger than the entire season.

It will possibly be the same but I think it's quite obvious that a gameplan is really starting to influence how the side plays.
Title: Re: Silva’s Playbook
Post by: stirlingblue on November 19, 2018, 09:06:40 AM
I would be interested to see where we sit in such a metric over the last month or so ratger than the entire season.

It will possibly be the same but I think it's quite obvious that a gameplan is really starting to influence how the side plays.

I’ve not seen anything for just the more recent games but if you think about watching us we do tend to give away some big chances against us every game so I expected the xGA to be bad.

The surprise for me initially was the xG as I felt like we’ve been playing well but there has been a few games where I’ve felt like we played well but when you look back at it we’ve not had any clear scoring opportunities.

Even if we stay where we are on that chart I’d expect us to finish 7th as xG doesn’t take into account the quality of the players getting the chances, which is where we’ll do better than the likes of Watford or Wolves.