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Title: An opportunity for some on Thursday
Post by: blueToffee on December 12, 2009, 11:55:44 PM
It'll be interesting to see the side we put out on Thursday, I hope to see more of Coleman and Agard (partnering Yak up front) in particular and I'd hope also a start for Duffy, Baxter, Nash (!) and maybe some others like Mustafi, etc.

Should be an opportunity for Moyes to experiment a little though.
Title: Re: An opportunity for some on Thursday
Post by: Risky on December 12, 2009, 11:58:42 PM
Agree with giving the young fringe players a game, there's nothing on this game at all so might as well take the opportunity to experiment and give some of them a run out.

I'd certainly like to see Agard given a start, as well as Coleman and Baxter.  Would probably be another good opportunity for Duffy too, and it's about time we saw a bit more of James Wallace too.
Title: Re: An opportunity for some on Thursday
Post by: blargins on December 13, 2009, 12:08:19 AM
Waste of time playing the game really. Will change nothing.
Title: Re: An opportunity for some on Thursday
Post by: Endless, Nameless on December 13, 2009, 12:13:25 AM
I hope Moyes does rest players though. This game is not important, for once, so I'd try:

Nash
Coleman  Duffy  Mustafi (someone other than Baines)
Cahill* Peterlin Wallace
Arnoux Baxter Agard

*as he didn't play today, but I'd tell him to take it very easy. We'd get battered, but it would be interesting. Not sure if some of them are out of position as well, but either way, may as well give 'em all a go.

I just don't really want first teamers picking up more injuries in an utterly-meaningless game. And confidence won't be hit if we lose with a team of youngsters either.
Title: Re: An opportunity for some on Thursday
Post by: evertonjoe on December 13, 2009, 12:19:42 AM
I'd like to see us play:

Nash

Coleman Duffy Mustafi Bilyaletdinov (or possibly another young LB)

Gosling (If fit) Wallace Fellaini Baxter
              
               Yak Agard

Title: Re: An opportunity for some on Thursday
Post by: blargins on December 13, 2009, 12:20:26 AM
I'd play Hibbert ahead of Coleman in that.Want Coleman available for the league game.
Title: Re: An opportunity for some on Thursday
Post by: Con.1878 on December 13, 2009, 01:24:45 AM
I want moysie to not only experiment with players but experiment with the formation too.
Title: Re: An opportunity for some on Thursday
Post by: Derek on December 13, 2009, 01:37:00 AM
Apparently Howard refuses to sit out a game. The man's a machine!

A counter argument is that we're finally getting a bit more confidence and maybe the BATE game would be another good stage for us to keep building towards the form we showed last season?
Title: Re: An opportunity for some on Thursday
Post by: Thom on December 13, 2009, 01:57:19 AM
We won't see wholesale changes. Moyes will probably give Pienaar a break if his knee has still got that support strap on it (couldn't tell if he did from today's stream). I'd expect to see Saha, Howard and Fellaini benched too. The only youngsters I can see starting are Coleman, Baxter, Agard and Duffy. Yakubu and Nash should be given run outs too.

So, something like this:

-----------------Nash------------
Coleman---Hibbert--Duffy---Baines
Baxter---Rodwell---Cahill---Billy
---------Agard----Yakubu-----

Cahill will be fine as he missed out today, Billy and Baines will play because Moyes doesn't have anyone to play instead of Baines, and Billy will start because Europe is slower and he needs to learn how we play still. Hibbert to start also as we have no one else.
Title: Re: An opportunity for some on Thursday
Post by: cantoffee on December 13, 2009, 02:19:08 AM
I think a few of you are going overboard with your changes, we don't want to start our entire U18 side here, a win will help us continue to build confidence and that's important here.

Like Thom said it will likely only be Coleman, Duffy, Agard, and Baxter starting. I think bily has to play because he's quite good in europe and the same goes for rodwell. I would like to see james wallace come off the bench though if the opportunity comes up.

Moyes will want to win no matter what side he puts out, and rightfully so, we still haven't been winning even if the performances are better and a win will bring even more confidence.
Title: Re: An opportunity for some on Thursday
Post by: blueblood1988 on December 13, 2009, 04:15:48 AM
Nash

Hibbert
Duffy
Baines
Coleman

Rodwell
Fellaini
Baxter
Bilyaletdinov

Yakubu
Jo
Title: Re: An opportunity for some on Thursday
Post by: Endless, Nameless on December 13, 2009, 04:16:51 AM
Apparently Howard refuses to sit out a game. The man's a machine!

A counter argument is that we're finally getting a bit more confidence and maybe the BATE game would be another good stage for us to keep building towards the form we showed last season?

Wow, Timmy is a fighter :D
I'd like to see Nash in goal however, before he dies of old age anyway.
Title: Re: An opportunity for some on Thursday
Post by: fortune9 on December 13, 2009, 04:49:59 AM
                                                nash
    hibbert                   mustafi                duffy       coleman

baxter                  rodwell                    bily            wallace

                        yak                           agard
Title: Re: An opportunity for some on Thursday
Post by: fast lane on December 13, 2009, 03:42:36 PM
I don't expect too many changes to start with. (that's not David Moyes)
But if the match goes well, we can see some of our young uns come on.
Title: Re: An opportunity for some on Thursday
Post by: sharpattack on December 13, 2009, 04:27:24 PM
A great chance for some of the young lads to make a mark
Title: Re: An opportunity for some on Thursday
Post by: blue for you on December 13, 2009, 08:56:47 PM
James wallace won't be there i think he is still out injured. hope moyes gives a few young
lads a run out like to see baxter with the yak up front.

howard
coleman
duffy
hibbert
baines
fellaini
rodwell
bily
pienaar
baxter
yak :thumbsup:
Title: Re: An opportunity for some on Thursday
Post by: Bob Sacamano on December 13, 2009, 09:10:06 PM
We won't see wholesale changes. Moyes will probably give Pienaar a break if his knee has still got that support strap on it (couldn't tell if he did from today's stream). I'd expect to see Saha, Howard and Fellaini benched too. The only youngsters I can see starting are Coleman, Baxter, Agard and Duffy. Yakubu and Nash should be given run outs too.



So, something like this:

-----------------Nash------------
Coleman---Hibbert--Duffy---Baines
Baxter---Rodwell---Cahill---Billy
---------Agard----Yakubu-----

Cahill will be fine as he missed out today, Billy and Baines will play because Moyes doesn't have anyone to play instead of Baines, and Billy will start because Europe is slower and he needs to learn how we play still. Hibbert to start also as we have no one else.


I like the look of this, im a big fan of a good CB so id like to see Duffy get a game and absolutely give Pienaar a rest. Would be nice to see Agards pace and hunger paired with Yakubu's natural instinct and experience.
Title: Re: An opportunity for some on Thursday
Post by: blueToffee on December 13, 2009, 09:30:31 PM
We won't see wholesale changes. Moyes will probably give Pienaar a break if his knee has still got that support strap on it (couldn't tell if he did from today's stream). I'd expect to see Saha, Howard and Fellaini benched too. The only youngsters I can see starting are Coleman, Baxter, Agard and Duffy. Yakubu and Nash should be given run outs too.



So, something like this:

-----------------Nash------------
Coleman---Hibbert--Duffy---Baines
Baxter---Rodwell---Cahill---Billy
---------Agard----Yakubu-----

Cahill will be fine as he missed out today, Billy and Baines will play because Moyes doesn't have anyone to play instead of Baines, and Billy will start because Europe is slower and he needs to learn how we play still. Hibbert to start also as we have no one else.


I like the look of this, im a big fan of a good CB so id like to see Duffy get a game and absolutely give Pienaar a rest. Would be nice to see Agards pace and hunger paired with Yakubu's natural instinct and experience.

I think thats a solid line up and one I could see Moyes going for. I might be tempted to play Neill instead of Hibbert though as I think he still needs to work on his fitness like the Yak.
Title: Re: An opportunity for some on Thursday
Post by: Chris on December 13, 2009, 10:01:34 PM
Just a quick one, are Cahill and Hibbert suspended?
Title: Re: An opportunity for some on Thursday
Post by: Endless, Nameless on December 13, 2009, 11:07:41 PM
Just a quick one, are Cahill and Hibbert suspended?

That would be news to me. Cahill has served his one game (English-only) ban. Hibbert got a red in Europe, but that was ages ago, so I think he can play.
Title: Re: An opportunity for some on Thursday
Post by: Chris on December 13, 2009, 11:17:20 PM
They both picked up second group stage yellows against AEK.
Title: Re: An opportunity for some on Thursday
Post by: Endless, Nameless on December 14, 2009, 01:10:36 AM
They both picked up second group stage yellows against AEK.

I didn't realise that 2 yellows constituted a ban in Europe. Seems harsh. Plus, on the OS under suspensions it says the current suspension by Cahill means his next available game is in Europe on thursday, but then maybe the OS is wrong (Wouldn't be the first time, I guess).
Title: Re: An opportunity for some on Thursday
Post by: toffee_scot on December 14, 2009, 01:33:31 AM
I would just play a mixture of young players and first team players. Give Coleman, Baxter, Duffy and Agard a run out. I think Billy should play so he gets more used to the way we play and he may be more familiar with the way the Belarussians play so he'll know how to get past them. I would rest Saha and maybe give Yakubu 90 minutes.
Title: Re: An opportunity for some on Thursday
Post by: Endless, Nameless on December 14, 2009, 01:46:11 AM
Please god don't let Moyes put out Pienaar, Saha or any other good player who has been suffering with injuries. Other than that I'm not bothered who Moyes puts out, truth be told.
Title: Re: An opportunity for some on Thursday
Post by: DannyR on December 14, 2009, 02:30:28 AM
i'd like yak to start so he can get his fitness up. also the ACN will do yak good as it will get him some fitness
Title: Re: An opportunity for some on Thursday
Post by: brap. on December 14, 2009, 07:30:01 AM
i would love some of the young guns to get a run out. Agard, wallace, coleman, duffy. Stick 'em on moyesy.
Title: Re: An opportunity for some on Thursday
Post by: top flight for a long time on December 14, 2009, 03:19:44 PM
We only need a 10 goal turnaround to finish top  :whistle: and get an easier tie in the knockout stages.
Title: Re: An opportunity for some on Thursday
Post by: Blake on December 14, 2009, 04:13:25 PM
We only need a 10 goal turnaround to finish top  :whistle: and get an easier tie in the knockout stages.

and a time machine... so we can go forward in time, get some players fit, then go back in time & play benfica again
Title: Re: An opportunity for some on Thursday
Post by: Blake on December 14, 2009, 04:31:15 PM
... So, something like this:

-----------------Nash------------
Coleman---Hibbert--Duffy---Baines
Baxter---Rodwell---Cahill---Billy
---------Agard----Yakubu-----

...

I'd pretty much agree with that. Maybe Fellaini in for Cahill just to protect him as he is on 2 yellows.

Not sure who will replace Neill; Heitinga & Jo in the squad, other than Cahill. Probably Wallace & ???. Rumour on another board Vaughan & Osman back in training today - but I can't see either being involved. Who would be the next kid to fill a spot on the bench?
Title: Re: An opportunity for some on Thursday
Post by: aylesbury blue on December 14, 2009, 06:02:46 PM
I don't want wholesale changes, we have found a bit of form so want players to keep playing.

I'd go with

                               Howard

Coleman         Hibbert         Duffy        Baines

Baxter           Rodwell          Feliani      Bily

                            Cahill

                               Yak

Nice and safe and giving a few a decent amount of mins in action.
Title: Re: An opportunity for some on Thursday
Post by: MmmblueBernard on December 14, 2009, 07:37:40 PM
I don't want wholesale changes, we have found a bit of form so want players to keep playing.

I'd go with

                               Howard

Coleman         Hibbert         Duffy        Baines

Baxter           Rodwell          Feliani      Bily

                            Cahill

                               Yak

Nice and safe and giving a few a decent amount of mins in action.

This is about spot on for me.

We need to batter the hell out of these chumps to bring back the feel good factor ahead of our cruical clash with birmingham.
Title: Re: An opportunity for some on Thursday
Post by: GLewis on December 14, 2009, 08:02:22 PM
This is about spot on for me.

We need to batter the hell out of these chumps to bring back the feel good factor ahead of our cruical clash with birmingham.

Good point about the confidence.

I'd consider giving Bily a rest.

Yes he needs to understand our game, but he also needs a rest as he's clearly knackered. I suppose it depends on whether Baxter is fit. I don't think he was on the bench on Sat was he?
Title: Re: An opportunity for some on Thursday
Post by: }-m-a-c-c-a-{ on December 14, 2009, 08:59:02 PM
Nash

Coleman
Hibbert
Duffy
Baines

Baxter
Fellaini
Cahill
Bily

Agard
Yakubu

Good enough team to win, rest players, give experience to, and give Nash a deserved game for us.

It's so important to rest Pienaar & Saha.
Title: Re: An opportunity for some on Thursday
Post by: Jamokachi on December 14, 2009, 10:16:06 PM
Some of you lot are off your fucking rockers.
Title: Re: An opportunity for some on Thursday
Post by: MmmblueBernard on December 14, 2009, 10:35:56 PM
Some of you lot are off your fucking rockers.

Which way are you swinging on this debate Jamo?

Plenty o youngsters or mainly 1st choice players?
Title: Re: An opportunity for some on Thursday
Post by: Jamokachi on December 14, 2009, 10:49:58 PM
Which way are you swinging on this debate Jamo?

Plenty o youngsters or mainly 1st choice players?

I'd like to see some youngsters given a go. Coleman, Baxter, Gosling. But some teams listed in this thread are just the under 18's, which is madness!

We need to win. There's nothing on it I know. But winning football games breeds confidence, and that's what we need at the moment. So we need to show BATE respect and play some of the big guns. Fellaini, Yakubu, Bily, Cahill are musts for me. I'd include Baines in that too, but he was wearing a knee support on Saturday, so maybe a rest is needed?

I would like to see Nash given a run out though. It's the guy's dream.
Title: Re: An opportunity for some on Thursday
Post by: .Rimbo. on December 14, 2009, 11:06:50 PM
We won't see wholesale changes. Moyes will probably give Pienaar a break if his knee has still got that support strap on it (couldn't tell if he did from today's stream). I'd expect to see Saha, Howard and Fellaini benched too. The only youngsters I can see starting are Coleman, Baxter, Agard and Duffy. Yakubu and Nash should be given run outs too.

So, something like this:

-----------------Nash------------
Coleman---Hibbert--Duffy---Baines
Baxter---Rodwell---Cahill---Billy
---------Agard----Yakubu-----

Cahill will be fine as he missed out today, Billy and Baines will play because Moyes doesn't have anyone to play instead of Baines, and Billy will start because Europe is slower and he needs to learn how we play still. Hibbert to start also as we have no one else.

Agreed with pretty much all of that. Would like to see Mustafi ahead of Duffy though.
Title: Re: An opportunity for some on Thursday
Post by: MmmblueBernard on December 14, 2009, 11:14:47 PM
Agreed with pretty much all of that. Would like to see Mustafi ahead of Duffy though.

Don't this Mustafi is quite ready for his 1st start yet. Maybe bring him on in place of duffy or hibbo if we are cruising in the second half
Title: Re: An opportunity for some on Thursday
Post by: .Rimbo. on December 14, 2009, 11:25:26 PM
Don't this Mustafi is quite ready for his 1st start yet. Maybe bring him on in place of duffy or hibbo if we are cruising in the second half

I don't think Duffy is either though and there's only one way to learn.

I'm sure Mustafi made the bench ahead of Duffy earlier in the season as well.
Title: Re: An opportunity for some on Thursday
Post by: MmmblueBernard on December 14, 2009, 11:48:18 PM
I don't think Duffy is either though and there's only one way to learn.

I'm sure Mustafi made the bench ahead of Duffy earlier in the season as well.

I thought Duffy did well when he came on the other week against AEK after a slightly nervy start.

Also his recent performances for the reserves merit a chance.
Title: Re: An opportunity for some on Thursday
Post by: van der Meyde on December 15, 2009, 06:14:29 PM
They both picked up second group stage yellows against AEK.
I think it's three bookings, Chris. Howard also got his second against AEK.

Apparently these bookings may carry over into the knock-out rounds as well? Anyone able to clarify that further?
Title: Re: An opportunity for some on Thursday
Post by: Chris on December 16, 2009, 04:12:08 AM
That was only Howard's first mate.

Must be three though, have a look at the Press kit for Thursday's game...

http://www.uefa.com/printoutfiles/competitions/uefacup/2010/e/e_2000889_pk.pdf (http://www.uefa.com/printoutfiles/competitions/uefacup/2010/e/e_2000889_pk.pdf)

The astrix in the 'D' column against Hibbo and Cahill's name means one more yellow card would see them banned.
Title: Re: An opportunity for some on Thursday
Post by: Mahoney on December 16, 2009, 05:00:19 AM
I'm hoping Nash gets a run out....to be able to say to the grand children one day that he played in a European game for his boyhood club would be great. I know Moyes won't be thinking this (or maybe he will) but Nash deserves at least one game and some first team experience is needed just in case Howard decides he wants to join the walking wounded (god forbid!)
Title: Re: An opportunity for some on Thursday
Post by: MmmblueBernard on December 16, 2009, 04:48:51 PM
theyre hinting on the OS that Agard will get a first start. Would be interesting to see him paired with the Yak up front. Pace and power.
Title: Re: An opportunity for some on Thursday
Post by: GLewis on December 16, 2009, 07:26:51 PM
theyre hinting on the OS that Agard will get a first start. Would be interesting to see him paired with the Yak up front. Pace and power.

He'd be good for the Yak as well.

To be fully effective the Yak needs someone who'll do a lot of the donkey work for him, like chasing lost causes.

Agard should be full of enthusiasm so he'd be willing to do that side of things.
Title: Re: An opportunity for some on Thursday
Post by: Endless, Nameless on December 16, 2009, 09:29:53 PM
I'd like to see more than 2 minutes of the lively Agard.
Title: Re: An opportunity for some on Thursday
Post by: Chris on December 17, 2009, 12:15:32 AM
Very interesting line-up, really looking forward to it.
Title: Re: An opportunity for some on Thursday
Post by: Amata on December 17, 2009, 12:42:29 AM
---------------Nash-----------------

-Coleman ---- Duffy ---- Hibbert (c)--- Bidwell---

-Osman---- Forshaw-----Rodwell------Baxter----

------------Yakubu-----Agard--------------
Title: Re: An opportunity for some on Thursday
Post by: Chris on December 17, 2009, 12:47:39 AM
Anyone know if Bidwell breaks Rodwell's record as the youngest player to appear for us in Europe?

Must be close.
Title: Re: An opportunity for some on Thursday
Post by: blueToffee on December 17, 2009, 05:42:59 AM
It's an exciting line up, it's always interesting to see players make their debuts.

Did it mention what the subs bench would be?
Title: Re: An opportunity for some on Thursday
Post by: Chris on December 17, 2009, 05:51:30 AM
Doesn't mention the bench, think Nathan Craig might be there though.
Title: Re: An opportunity for some on Thursday
Post by: Gareth on December 17, 2009, 06:04:37 AM
---------------Nash-----------------

-Coleman ---- Duffy ---- Hibbert (c)--- Bidwell---

-Osman---- Forshaw-----Rodwell------Baxter----

------------Yakubu-----Agard--------------

Id imagine Osman would play Central and Forshaw wide.
Title: Re: An opportunity for some on Thursday
Post by: brap. on December 17, 2009, 06:19:47 AM
really looking forward to this, at a club like everton, there's no such thing as a pointless game.